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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Covergaard on October 22, 2007, 08:13:16 AM
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Wilderness therapy programs:
Adirondack Leadership Expeditions
Ascent Wilderness Program
Aspen Achievement Academy
Catherine Freer Wilderness Program
Lone Star Expeditions
Mountain Brook Academy
Outback Therapeutic Expeditions
Red Cliffs Ascent Wilderness Program
Ridge Creek
SUWS
Sagewalk
Therapeutic Boarding Schools:
ABM Ministries
Abundant Life Academy
Academy at Ivy Ridge
Academy at Swift River
Academy of the Sierras
Anchor Academy
Aspen Ranch
Banham Marshalls College (UK)
Boulder Creek Academy
Bromley Brook School
Camas Ranch
Canyon View Park
Carlbrook
Carolina Springs Academy
Casa by the Sea
Cedars Academy
Copper Canyon Academy
Coral Reef Academy
Cross Creek Programs
Darrington Academy
Escuela Caribe
Excel Academy
Focal Point Academy
Gulf Coast Academy
Harbor Oaks Boarding School
Hidden Lake Academy
Hope Ranch / Star Meadows Academy
Ironwood Maine
Island view
Logan River Academy
Majestic Ranch Academy
Midwest Academy
Mission Mountain School
Morava Academy
Mount Bachelor Academy
Mountain Park Academy
Nevada Horizon Academy
New Leaf Academy
Northwest Academy
Oakley School
Pacific Coast Academy
Paradise Cove
Peninsula Village
Pillars of Hope
Pine Ridge Academy
Program directory
Provo Canyon School
Red River Academy
Rocky Mountain Academy
Royal Gorge Academy
Sky View Academy
Sorensen's Ranch School
Spring Creek Lodge
Stone Mountain School
Sunhawk Academy
Sunrise Beach
Tranquility Bay
Turn-about Ranch
Woodland Hills Maternity Home
Youth Care, Inc.
Boot Camps:
America's Buffalo Soldiers Re-Enactors Association summer boot camp
Eagle Academy, Florida
High Impact
Love Demonstrated Ministries Christian Boot Camp
Magnolia Christian Center
Manuia Plantation
Thayer Learning Center
Not all entries are complete. If you were at one of these programs or were in a program, which are not on the list, please help us with completing / entering of the program.
We try to give a fair description without of all commercial interests about the kiddie-gitmo of your parents and future victims parents choice.
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I see you missed Elan on your list
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I see you missed Elan on your list
We have made room for it, but we need some hands sooner than yesterday to get it done.
If you have been at Elan, you are very welcome to create a page based on the template:
http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/F ... ity_Portal (http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/Fornits_Wiki:Community_Portal)
Dont bother about the formatting. That we have people for, but it is the information and links, which takes time to investigate.
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You forgot to mention CEDU. It's in the wiki.
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Love the wiki.. I'm going to make a sticky out of this thread and keep an eye on it.
I'll split off the obvious trolls and such.
or just dump it and start another one if people have concerns.
Expect a wiki page for both eckerds and three springs to come in the next day or so.
Good work so far Covergaard.
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I see you missed Elan on your list
We have made room for it, but we need some hands sooner than yesterday to get it done.
If you have been at Elan, you are very welcome to create a page based on the template:
http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/F ... ity_Portal (http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/Fornits_Wiki:Community_Portal)
Dont bother about the formatting. That we have people for, but it is the information and links, which takes time to investigate.
I have started a good page thanks to your form.
I have invited "Elan Forum Members" to edit and add to the info.
Thanks for all you do
Felice Eliscu
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3 springs is up. I'll flesh it out some based on my own knowledge and some newspaper citations when I get a chance. Will throw up an Eckerd's one as well in a bit.
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Will you be including the de-funct programs as well?
If so,
Would you add Challenger and Summit Quest.
Catherine
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Don't tell him to add shit, people. It's an open wiki. Get in there and start making edits if you have anything worth adding.
You guys have to remember- THIS IS NOT WIKIPEDIA. Covergaard, feel free to cut right the hell loose. Don't pretend it's balanced, tell it like IT IS! No one is going to revert you except the programmies- and they're NOT stupid enough to show up on the Fornits wiki where they can be traced anyway.
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Will you be including the de-funct programs as well?
If so,
Would you add Challenger and Summit Quest.
Catherine
You can make those pages if no one else does. Sense you know so much about those programs it might be best if you make the initial page, I'm sure someone can doll it up for you.
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I will do them as people give me info.
Just now I am communicating with a non-fornits Straight like program survivor, I have found on a myspace page. (Traced from a group)
And then there is the mystery about Pacific View Academy (http://http://fornits.com/wiki/index.php/Pacific_View_Academy) - WWASP latest mexico program. We have the address from the Boise dipoma mill, but we are unable to find it on sat. photos.
But I can not do it on my own. Others have to join in.
Another thing is that I will write it so balanced that I do not scare parents away. It is the parents, who has to choose a kiddie-gitmo for their child, so I will write it as I see it - not as I feel like.
Corporal punishment, isolation cells, pepperspray is mentioned just like that if they are used but nothing more.
If a parent after they have read the pages still find it OK to use a cattle pod on their child, I can not do anything about it, but they can not come here and claim that they were not informed in advance.
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Many, many thanks to you Covergaard.
:nworthy:
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Great Job Covergaard. What do people think about adding a section on ed cons and organizations like Pure?
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Amen cover ::rocker::
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Can the Alberta Adolescent Recovery Center be added to the list?
I'm not sure of the criteria, or what wiki is.
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Yes please do add it.....
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22 Escort firms: Please look into your transport firm and answer Yes and No to tables about methods and information.
17 Wilderness therapy programs:
64 TBS:
7 Boot Camps:
I am also including the list from Ficanet on the program directory. It will take some while because they have no state on their list.
However I still miss information about the programs, I can not get from the web. Please add your info. Use the talk page if you can not understand how a wiki works.
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Carsten, would it be helpful to have a questionnaire that people could fill out and that would send the results to your email?
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Carsten, would it be helpful to have a questionnaire that people could fill out and that would send the results to your email?
I had to make a deal with another Dane, but try this out.
http://www.center-validering.dk/files/questionnaire.htm (http://www.center-validering.dk/files/questionnaire.htm)
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good shit.. Ginger when are you going to make this Swede the man in charge of fornit's wiki in name and Title?
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How do I buy a Crapple decal I want one for my van.
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Closed programs (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/Category:Closed_programs)
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Covergaard,
Rocky Mountain Academy is technically closed, however, it is located on the same physical campus as Boulder Creek Academy (according to, I think, blownaway and try another castle), and links to RMA are forwarded to BCA and the RMA phone number now rings at BCA.
Not sure if that is of interest re the wiki listings.
Auntie Em
P.S. I wish any category called "Closed Programs" would be much larger.
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Covergaard,
Rocky Mountain Academy is technically closed, however, it is located on the same physical campus as Boulder Creek Academy (according to, I think, blownaway and try another castle), and links to RMA are forwarded to BCA and the RMA phone number now rings at BCA.
Not sure if that is of interest re the wiki listings.
Auntie Em
P.S. I wish any category called "Closed Programs" would be much larger.
Oh it is, check ISAC for a whole bunch more.
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How do I buy a Crapple decal I want one for my van.
Just click on it when you see it. It should take you to a paypal order form. I get paid, I pass along Timmy's share along with the order, he ships it. Say hi to Timmy for me, too!
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We're winning this time.
They're all nervous because they can't make money as easily anymore. It's because of us, you know.
Do a search like you are a perspective parent looking into the names of the people and organizations you will be dealing with.
Is there a vacuum in the work history of these people you're going to hire? When you ask about it you're told that they worked for the CEDU schools, and the reason that information is not online is because a few pissed off bad apples on a website named WWW.FORNITS.COM (http://WWW.FORNITS.COM) is the reason that CEDU was shut down. You look further into that on your own and verify that the escort you were going to use is a sexual offender, confirm that the Educational Consultant you're using is getting a healthy and unethical kickback, and discover beyond a reasonable doubt that they are con artists playing on your insecurity as a parent to save your child from the monster called society.
Parents now have to tools to research the actual names and people and where they really were and what they were really doing, and it is in great part to the honest and well intentioned postings here.
The troubled teen industry is backpedaling, and they are very worried that their easy money is about to dry up. Ignore the predictable wave of trolls meant to cause disruption in the momentum, gum up the ranks. Just keep telling your stories bravely.
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Do a search like you are a [pro]spective parent looking into the names of the people and organizations you will be dealing with.
Interesting idea...
Someone should call some places and record the phone calls and upload them here... something like that might be good for a few laughs......
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Do a search like you are a [pro]spective parent looking into the names of the people and organizations you will be dealing with.
Interesting idea...
Someone should call some places and record the phone calls and upload them here... something like that might be good for a few laughs......
That's been done numerous times over the years. Interesting that not ONE prospective parent was told their kid didn't need 'treatment'. There are online questionaires everywhere, give it a try with your hypothetical child.
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I did do this. I called Aspen about New Leaf Academy. The child i described was pretty tame. "not coping with the divorce" "Mean to her little bro" they recommended sending this phantom 12 year old girl to SUWS to drag llamas across the country first then to look into New Leaf for "aftercare". Apparently they absolutely did not take violent or mentally ill kids
i then had someone ele call about a kid who had a violent temper and behaviours that strongly suggested hardcore bipolar. They did not ask whether the kid had gone to a bonafide doctor but they did recommend Dragging llamas across mountains followed by New leaf. The only 2 things these phantom girls had in common was they were 12.
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Why do the llamas need to be dragged? Did someone chop off their legs?
Poor llamas. Even they suffer at the hands of the program.
Tina, you fat lard, come get some ham.
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I did do this. I called Aspen about New Leaf Academy. The child i described was pretty tame. "not coping with the divorce" "Mean to her little bro" they recommended sending this phantom 12 year old girl to SUWS to drag llamas across the country first then to look into New Leaf for "aftercare". Apparently they absolutely did not take violent or mentally ill kids
i then had someone ele call about a kid who had a violent temper and behaviours that strongly suggested hardcore bipolar. They did not ask whether the kid had gone to a bonafide doctor but they did recommend Dragging llamas across mountains followed by New leaf. The only 2 things these phantom girls had in common was they were 12.
Interesting, yet not surprising, eh? This speaks volumes about their lack of ethics, etc.
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It would be interesting to systematically catalog the contradictions in the sales pitches, just as illustrated in the previous posts.
I've noticed that at the Aspen A Academy site, no matter what issue you click on--depression, ADD, academic failure, bipolar, ingrown toenail, bad haircut, whatever--you get the same assessment form, and yes, the form suggests that any and every teenager needs treatment.
Auntie Em
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I did do this. I called Aspen about New Leaf Academy. The child i described was pretty tame. "not coping with the divorce" "Mean to her little bro" they recommended sending this phantom 12 year old girl to SUWS to drag llamas across the country first then to look into New Leaf for "aftercare". Apparently they absolutely did not take violent or mentally ill kids
i then had someone ele call about a kid who had a violent temper and behaviours that strongly suggested hardcore bipolar. They did not ask whether the kid had gone to a bonafide doctor but they did recommend Dragging llamas across mountains followed by New leaf. The only 2 things these phantom girls had in common was they were 12.
How low will they go?
:roll: ::noway::
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It would be interesting to systematically catalog the contradictions in the sales pitches, just as illustrated in the previous posts.
I've noticed that at the Aspen A Academy site, no matter what issue you click on--depression, ADD, academic failure, bipolar, ingrown toenail, bad haircut, whatever--you get the same assessment form, and yes, the form suggests that any and every teenager needs treatment.
Which is exactly why a lot of these teens aren't really troubled (at least not until after they get out). That's why I hate the "troubled teen" label. "Alleged by really dodgy con artists to be a troubled teen" would be more accurate.
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Psy is a confused young bisexual. Psy voluntarily entered a treatment center as a legal adult. His parents did not approve of his bisexual ways and asked him to move out or enter a treatment center. Psy chose to enter a treatment center. The treatment center wanted to help Psy get a taste for life in the real world and let him leave when he wished. Psy lasted less than one day in the real world before he came knocking on the door. The treatment center taking pity upon Psy, let him enter back into the treatment program. Psy completed his treatment program and moved back home with his parents. Psy having no social skills remains at home and builds an online persona. Psy overdramatizes his voluntary treatment story to garner sympathy and attention. Psy enjoys the attention he receives by portraying himself as a victim. Psy is only a victim of his own bad choices. Psy continues to live in the past and suffers from negative thinking. I pray that Psy is able to move on from his past and begin to enjoy his life.
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Psy is a confused young bisexual. Psy voluntarily entered a treatment center as a legal adult. His parents did not approve of his bisexual ways and asked him to move out or enter a treatment center. Psy chose to enter a treatment center. The treatment center wanted to help Psy get a taste for life in the real world and let him leave when he wished. Psy lasted less than one day in the real world before he came knocking on the door. The treatment center taking pity upon Psy, let him enter back into the treatment program. Psy completed his treatment program and moved back home with his parents. Psy having no social skills remains at home and builds an online persona. Psy overdramatizes his voluntary treatment story to garner sympathy and attention. Psy enjoys the attention he receives by portraying himself as a victim. Psy is only a victim of his own bad choices. Psy continues to live in the past and suffers from negative thinking. I pray that Psy is able to move on from his past and begin to enjoy his life.
ottowa? this is anne, right?
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The "troubled teen" label accomplishes several things: it undermines the credibility of the teen, it boosts the credibility of the parents, reduces the parents' sense of guilt, and the teen does not need to come out of the program as a healthy, well-adjusted person.
"Bad apple" teen + "long-suffering" parent = "Too bad, we did all we could and he/she was already screwed up before the program."
A merciless trap.
Auntie Em
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Psy is a confused young bisexual. Psy voluntarily entered a treatment center as a legal adult. His parents did not approve of his bisexual ways and asked him to move out or enter a treatment center. Psy chose to enter a treatment center. The treatment center wanted to help Psy get a taste for life in the real world and let him leave when he wished. Psy lasted less than one day in the real world before he came knocking on the door. The treatment center taking pity upon Psy, let him enter back into the treatment program. Psy completed his treatment program and moved back home with his parents. Psy having no social skills remains at home and builds an online persona. Psy overdramatizes his voluntary treatment story to garner sympathy and attention. Psy enjoys the attention he receives by portraying himself as a victim. Psy is only a victim of his own bad choices. Psy continues to live in the past and suffers from negative thinking. I pray that Psy is able to move on from his past and begin to enjoy his life.
I've never met Psy nor do I know his story. However, your spineless, inbred attempt at a smear campaign gets about a 2 out of 10 in my book.
Allow me to share some 'deep thoughts' with you.....
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Haters....
If your life is peachy fucking keen. Why do you bother coming here? You wouldn't read or post here if you were as " together " and " above " others as you think you are. There's a voice in your head that tells you to keep coming back to read. That voice is the same voice that hated that place when you were there. You just don't have the balls to listen to it. You're very confused and anxious. The only thing you can do to battle your anxiety regarding your confusion is anonymously attacking people who have the gumption to call a spade a spade. Go ahead live in cartoon land - stay in the Jim Jones Kool aid line. You're as ignorant and as useless as Caroline's ranting and raving from 20 years ago.
If you love CEDU so much why don't you go dirt hump the soil of Mel Wassermans grave?
What do you do in your spare time? Call up other pro-CEDUians and reflect on memorable rap moments where you and other unlicensced degenerate staff yelled at one another just because it was M/W/F 1-5?
You think you're tough. You think you've got it figure out? You want to stand up and do the right thing? Go find Caroline, Stacy, Randy, Rudy, Sharon, and all those other mindless followers and get them to publicly own up to their mistakes. When they do that we'll all shut the fuck up. They never will because they are too ashamed.
Call up any of the current or former Staff (Steve Rookey, Tim Brace, Tim Earle, Pat Smokedubsky, on and on and on and on ) and get them to agree to a public hearing on the bullshit that went down at RMA. I'll provide them a detailed and comprehensive list of deserved questions/issues beforehand. I'll let them think about their responses and call me when they're ready. When they're ready with honest answers we'll start talking. We're not looking for a shitstorm of 'spin' and Cover Your Ass Political doublespeak. We'll record the conversation and submit the transcript to a neutral 3rd party. I'll personally guarantee you each and staff member are so guilt ridden or cult loving' they wouldn't have the balls to do so.
Every former student deserves a genuine public apology from the fuckwads mentioned above. Yet, an apology isn't enough. They need to make amends.
Until then consider yourself my beat sheet. Consider yourself your own dirt list shoved up Stacy Wasserman's ass
What would Lon Woodbury do if he lost his job tomorrow and was forced to start a new career tomorrow? He'd fucking panic and shit himself. That's why he's convinced himself he's right. His 'work' is the 'good lord's work'. He has to wake up in the morning and say "I count". "My existince on this planet is helpful". 90% of people in the US are terrified by those questions so instead, they live in denial and dysfunction. And in the meantime they end up fucking people over and backstabbing plenty along the way.
Has that douchebag, Lon, ever made an apology on his website for how detrimental CEDU or RMA was? Intentional or unintentional detriment - I don't care.
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Let's hear it douche bag. Nothing would make me happier than getting face to face with someone like you, who by day supports TBS fraud by acting like a civilized, god-fearing upstanding, caring member of society while your evenings and weekends are spent being a bully that talks shit and spews spineless verbal diahrea on Fornit's. You, my sod-busting, lot lizard are a lost and desperate waste of organic matter. You are 1 shot of Kool aid away from becoming a Priest that molests choir boys.
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If you love CEDU so much why don't you go dirt hump the soil of Mel Wassermans grave?
My god, I just got an unholy urge to deface that man's grave. Anyone know where he's buried/enshrined/whatever?
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They probably had a cerimonious 'ashes at sea" service for him at the pond. Wherein, a flotilla of canoes set forth and cast his sanctimonious ashes into the puddle of pond scum. At which point the moby dick sized carp immediatelty consumed him,shit him out and ran his anger.
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Did anyone ever catch that carp?
Oh lord, I wanted to... 2.5 years of fishing never netted him.
Strange.... I suddenly have this uncontrollable desire to resume my animal crossing game.
Hmmm. from defacing graves to the nintendo DS. And it all went down in two posts.
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Frogger? I just saw the Seinfeld episode of frogger.
I never caught him. What was his name? Nessie or something like that?
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22 wilderness therapy programs (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/Category:Wilderness_Therapy)
99 therapeutic boarding schools (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/Category:Therapeutic_Boarding_School)
7 boot camps (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/Category:Boot_Camp)
25 escort firms (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/Category:Teen_Escort_Company)
2 Ed cons (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/Category:Education_Consultants)
still more to come.....
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Frogger? I just saw the Seinfeld episode of frogger.
I never caught him. What was his name? Nessie or something like that?
I honestly do not remember what that fish's name was, but its legend rivaled that of nessie. There were at least two stories regarding that fish. As to whether they were true or not, dunno.
A guy named steve apparently caught him once. He was in one of my big sisters' peer groups. The other story was that the reason it had a fucked up back was that someone accidentally dove on top of him from the diving platform.
Nope. Not frogger. Animal crossing originally came out on the nintendo gamecube, and a newer version was released for the nintendo DS. It's a basic management type game, set to real time (if it's 6am here, it's 6am in the game, unless you mess around with the clock.) You build friendships with your animal neighbors, renovate and expand your house, plant trees and sell the fruit for money, weed the town, and most importantly, collect all of the bugs and fish you can. Each month has it's own selection of seasonal critters. When you fish, you can tell that there is one in the stream or ocean because there will be a shadow, which reminded me of that big assed carp's shadow we would see in the pond.
And... to stay on topic for a second, here.
The CEDU lingo wiki entry needs help, especially from BCA/NWA/Ascent survivors. (http://http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=24089) So far I think I have about ninety items in there.