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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: ajax13 on January 12, 2009, 09:46:41 PM
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Interested observers might remember the crazy bitch posting here last summer who kept insisting that AARC employed licensed mental health professionals. This was of course, a lie. They have now however, remedied this situation. Marty Heeg, bottom-feeder and like the Wiz, an avid jock-sniffer, is now the Clinical boss at AARC. Heeg has a long history of poaching clients for his "wellness" business from AARC, and by trolling AA meetings.
The Wiz, by the way, is now listing his bullshit PhD which is in Philosphy and Educational Psychology. Good to know that for almost 20 years, a man whose expertise in philosphy oversaw the treatment of the good ol' deadly disease.
Can't wait to see the Wizard's explanation for his years of lying about playing for the Swift Current Broncos too. Petty, but that's just me.
In other AARC news, degenrate Dr. Alan Stanhope is back on the board at AARC. The College of Physicians in Alberta states that Stanhope is retired now, thus allowing this creep to avoid professional sanction for his inexcusable misconduct with AARC patients. Stanhope as readers may recall, was the only physician AARC inmates were permitted to see while being held in AARC. Stanhope abandoned all pretensions to patient/client confidentiality by allowing AARC's amateur jailers, such as the Wiz's step-daughter, to monitor his AARC patients during his examinations.
In the pantheon of scumbags involved with the Calgary Straight project, Stanhope ranks just slightly below the Wiz on the slime chart.
Vultures, expected to have headed for southern climes at this time of year, have been spotted circling over the Centre.
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Ahem, Jealousy typically refers to the negative thoughts and feelings of insecurity, fear, and anxiety.
Jealousy often contains a mixture of emotions such as anger, sadness, and disgust. Do we need to say anymore? You seem eeriely obsessed with these peoples lives and success. It is interesting to see these feelings re-emerge every 6 months. You should try moving forward and make something of your own life. That would really show them!
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CBC's Fifth Estate is doing a story on AARC - they were denied further permission to film. Should be interesting to watch.
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Anonymous AARColyte, there is no question that AARC makes me sad, angry and disgusted. The Wiz should have gone to jail for his involvement in ripping off the families and taxpayers who paid for the abuse of people at Kids. His twenty years of posing as a healthcare professional also should have resulted in the most severe penalties from our justice system. However, better late than never.
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Ahem, Jealousy typically refers to the negative thoughts and feelings of insecurity, fear, and anxiety.
Jealousy often contains a mixture of emotions such as anger, sadness, and disgust.
Dontcha just love internet psychiatrists? I see you're using your "gift of awareness", huh?
You seem eeriely obsessed with these peoples lives and success. It is interesting to see these feelings re-emerge every 6 months.
And you seem eerily obsessed with Ajax. He only posts here a couple of times a year and you just happen to catch every single one?? Uh huh. And AARC doesn't monitor these boards either, right? Because we don't matter, right?
Uh huh.
You should try moving forward and make something of your own life. That would really show them!
You should acquire some critical thinking skills.
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Dontcha just love internet psychiatrists? I see you're using your "gift of awareness", huh?
Nah, internet psychiatrists are a dime a dozen. The ones I get a kick out of are the crystal ball viewers who can tell over the internet why a kid committed suicide when there was no note left behind.
And you seem eerily obsessed with Ajax. He only posts here a couple of times a year and you just happen to catch every single one?? Uh huh. And AARC doesn't monitor these boards either, right? Because we don't matter, right?
A couple of times a year? I was curious so I did a search for you and it is more like 400 posts. Your stories always need checking and as usual are inaccurate.
You should acquire some critical thinking skills.
Like your evaluation of Ajax13’s number of posts. Thank you for your internet “Gift of awareness”.
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Nah, internet psychiatrists are a dime a dozen. The ones I get a kick out of are the crystal ball viewers who can tell over the internet why a kid committed suicide when there was no note left behind.
We make educated guesses based on our personal experience with AARC or it's predecessors, KIDS and STRAIGHT. What are you basing your armchair dx of Ajax on?
A couple of times a year? I was curious so I did a search for you and it is more like 400 posts. Your stories always need checking and as usual are inaccurate.
You did a search for me? How did you do that?
Ajax used to be quite a proficient poster here at one time. Not so much anymore. My assessment stands.
Like your evaluation of Ajax13’s number of posts. Thank you for your internet “Gift of awareness”.
Naw, I claim none of those special powers that the program tried to bestow on me.
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Ajax used to be quite a proficient poster here at one time. Not so much anymore. My assessment stands.
I am used to reading that here, your educated guesses, false information, made up figures etc. and even when presented with the facts you stick with your guesses. So typical.
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The situation that prompted me to begin posting here has changed drastically. For years the Wiz has managed to avoid scrutiny of his completely criminal operation, but that period has ended. Incontrovertible proof is out there that he is involved in an illegal operation. Specifically, he is operating a facility that is providing medical treatment by people who are not legally qualified to perform these acts. He is a quack, the same as Miller Newton was a quack. Any AARColytes who can read are welcome to offer other scenarios in which people who are determined to be suffering from the advanced stages of a disease are treated by rank amateurs, specifically the peer counselors, who are overseen by the Clinicals, two of whom have degrees in Marriage and Family therapy, and a third who has a BA. All of these clowns being overseen by a Phys Ed teacher with a mail-order PhD in Philosophy who came to AARC courtesty of Kids of Bergen County.
This thing has moved way beyond me, AARColyte asshole.
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I am used to reading that here, your educated guesses, false information, made up figures etc. and even when presented with the facts you stick with your guesses. So typical.
I'm going to need an example of that bit of conjecture. Please be specific and show your work.
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The entire AARC phenomenon is a disgrace, but some solace can be taken from watching the desperate flailing of the Wiz as his little boat is swamped in a sea of his own bullshit.
Here's a fact that requires no guesswork, and contains no figures, made up or otherwise. I have been looking at one of the sets of records recently released by AARC, and as always, I remain amazed at the total lack of coherent thought behind AARC.
Specifically, the individual former client in question was ordered by the courts to be returned to the parental home every night throughout the individual's period of probation. Yet AARC, possessing the court order, put the individual in the custody of an oldcomer every night throughout Phase 1. The individual did not spend a single night in the parental home while on probation. Just one more aspect of AARC's outlaw nature.
AARC was invoicing Social Services over a thousand dollars per month during this person's stay at AARC. This is in addition to fees paid by the client's family. How do you spell fraud? D E A N
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The entire AARC phenomenon is a disgrace, but some solace can be taken from watching the desperate flailing of the Wiz as his little boat is swamped in a sea of his own bullshit.
Here's a fact that requires no guesswork, and contains no figures, made up or otherwise. I have been looking at one of the sets of records recently released by AARC, and as always, I remain amazed at the total lack of coherent thought behind AARC.
Specifically, the individual former client in question was ordered by the courts to be returned to the parental home every night throughout the individual's period of probation. Yet AARC, possessing the court order, put the individual in the custody of an oldcomer every night throughout Phase 1. The individual did not spend a single night in the parental home while on probation. Just one more aspect of AARC's outlaw nature.
AARC was invoicing Social Services over a thousand dollars per month during this person's stay at AARC. This is in addition to fees paid by the client's family. How do you spell fraud? D E A N
Sounds like Dean learned well from Miller Newton, a/k/a Virgil Miller Newton, a/k/a "father" Cassian Newton.
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Miller Newton's protege JERRY VAUSE touched my junk liberally. He strapped me in to his AARCmobile and he
couldnt keep his offensive hands off of me. He was performing many red flag touches. I couldnt believe what the fuck was going on. I told Miller Newton's protege JERRY VAUSE the city would not approve
of a millionaire touching an underage kid for free. Can you believe it? Miller Newton's protege JERRY VAUSE did all this. He picked me off the street, strapped my arms and legs down in the AARCmobile's passenger seat, and just wouldn't stop fondling my cock'n'balls.
They definately were red flag touches. The goddamn referee he had in the back seat kept on
raising up this red flag every time he touched my junk but did "Dr." VAUSE care? NO WAY! He
just kept on doing it. I couldn't believe what the fuck was going on, indeed. I pleaded with Miller Newton's protege JERRY VAUSE but to no avail. I told him the city would not approve of such a wealthy man
touching an underage kid like me (at the time I was 13) without at least compensating me for the trauma and the use of my body as his own personal plaything.
This got to him, worrying about his image. he continued to fondle me, all the while ignoring
the referee's red flags. Then he drove the AARCmobile to my house and ejected the seat I was in! It was amazing. But surprisingly, after I woke up the next morning, my bank account had $193k (CANADIAN) in it!!! Can you believe it?
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:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Nice touch factoring in the exchange rate!
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:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Nice touch factoring in the exchange rate!
Just keepin' it real........
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The entire AARC phenomenon is a disgrace, but some solace can be taken from watching the desperate flailing of the Wiz as his little boat is swamped in a sea of his own bullshit.
Here's a fact that requires no guesswork, and contains no figures, made up or otherwise. I have been looking at one of the sets of records recently released by AARC, and as always, I remain amazed at the total lack of coherent thought behind AARC.
Specifically, the individual former client in question was ordered by the courts to be returned to the parental home every night throughout the individual's period of probation. Yet AARC, possessing the court order, put the individual in the custody of an oldcomer every night throughout Phase 1. The individual did not spend a single night in the parental home while on probation. Just one more aspect of AARC's outlaw nature.
AARC was invoicing Social Services over a thousand dollars per month during this person's stay at AARC. This is in addition to fees paid by the client's family. How do you spell fraud? D E A N
Oh, so you uncovered this yourself!! During your investigation of AARC!! Well I am sure if this was true then you have already notified social services and we should see a nice little article in the paper. Lets give it a few days to see how truthful you really are. Your credibility is in the shitter, this may be your way out (although I seriously doubt it, I am sure you made this one up too).
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The entire AARC phenomenon is a disgrace, but some solace can be taken from watching the desperate flailing of the Wiz as his little boat is swamped in a sea of his own bullshit.
Here's a fact that requires no guesswork, and contains no figures, made up or otherwise. I have been looking at one of the sets of records recently released by AARC, and as always, I remain amazed at the total lack of coherent thought behind AARC.
Specifically, the individual former client in question was ordered by the courts to be returned to the parental home every night throughout the individual's period of probation. Yet AARC, possessing the court order, put the individual in the custody of an oldcomer every night throughout Phase 1. The individual did not spend a single night in the parental home while on probation. Just one more aspect of AARC's outlaw nature.
AARC was invoicing Social Services over a thousand dollars per month during this person's stay at AARC. This is in addition to fees paid by the client's family. How do you spell fraud? D E A N
Oh, so you uncovered this yourself!! During your investigation of AARC!! Well I am sure if this was true then you have already notified social services and we should see a nice little article in the paper. Lets give it a few days to see how truthful you really are. Your credibility is in the shitter, this may be your way out (although I seriously doubt it, I am sure you made this one up too).
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The entire AARC phenomenon is a disgrace, but some solace can be taken from watching the desperate flailing of the Wiz as his little boat is swamped in a sea of his own bullshit.
Here's a fact that requires no guesswork, and contains no figures, made up or otherwise. I have been looking at one of the sets of records recently released by AARC, and as always, I remain amazed at the total lack of coherent thought behind AARC.
Specifically, the individual former client in question was ordered by the courts to be returned to the parental home every night throughout the individual's period of probation. Yet AARC, possessing the court order, put the individual in the custody of an oldcomer every night throughout Phase 1. The individual did not spend a single night in the parental home while on probation. Just one more aspect of AARC's outlaw nature.
AARC was invoicing Social Services over a thousand dollars per month during this person's stay at AARC. This is in addition to fees paid by the client's family. How do you spell fraud? D E A N
AARC charges families $150 per day - even for Sundays where the client's are not at AARC. X 30 = $4,500 per month.
Yet this family fee is only 30% of the "cost" to treat the child.
"50% donors (individuals, corporations, community groups), special events
30% client fees
20% government"
This means it cost AARC around $500 per day or $15,000 per month. $180,000 per year.
No one stays over night. It does not add up.
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The entire AARC phenomenon is a disgrace, but some solace can be taken from watching the desperate flailing of the Wiz as his little boat is swamped in a sea of his own bullshit.
Here's a fact that requires no guesswork, and contains no figures, made up or otherwise. I have been looking at one of the sets of records recently released by AARC, and as always, I remain amazed at the total lack of coherent thought behind AARC.
Specifically, the individual former client in question was ordered by the courts to be returned to the parental home every night throughout the individual's period of probation. Yet AARC, possessing the court order, put the individual in the custody of an oldcomer every night throughout Phase 1. The individual did not spend a single night in the parental home while on probation. Just one more aspect of AARC's outlaw nature.
AARC was invoicing Social Services over a thousand dollars per month during this person's stay at AARC. This is in addition to fees paid by the client's family. How do you spell fraud? D E A N
AARC charges families $150 per day - even for Sundays where the client's are not at AARC. X 30 = $4,500 per month.
Yet this family fee is only 30% of the "cost" to treat the child.
"50% donors (individuals, corporations, community groups), special events
30% client fees
20% government"
This means it cost AARC around $500 per day or $15,000 per month. $180,000 per year.
No one stays over night. It does not add up.
Thats cheap compared to hospitals. I would have expected each full time patient to exceed $250,000 when you factor in all the costs associated with running the place. I wouldnt be suprised if they raised their rates this year. Hospitals charge $10 -$20 just for 2 aspirin and still claim a loss on their taxes on this item. AARC's costs are certainly well within competing hospital stays. Just to stay overnight in a hospital is $1,000. That includes food and a nurse to oversee you (nothing else), aspirin, tampax etc. is extra.
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Here is a broad who is a shrink and charges $100/hour to talk to kids. She uses a 30 squarefoot area of her home for office space which is worth (max) $10/ square foot or $3,000 a month (probably pays her entire mortgage). So she makes $100/ and hour, $800/ day and for 6 days that’s $4,800/week. With 2 weeks vacation that’s about $240,000 a year. She provides no tangable services, food, transportation etc but files for reimbursement from insurance companies at that rate.
So how can anyone justify charging $240,000 for sitting around in an office talking to people which only costs her $36,000 plus heat? If you don’t have insurance she only charges $80/ hour. If anyone is going to jail for fraud it should be her. AARC is cheap compared to this broad.
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Truly, AARColytes rank among the stupidest creatures to walk upright. Unlike AARC, hospitals are staffed by medical professionals. AARC is staffed by the Wizard, who is a phys ed teacher, Natalie Oldcomer, Lyin' Bryan Campbell and GoneWayDown Brown, who are not licensed professionals of any kind, and a bunch of former clients who are peer counselors. Unlike say a psychiarist, who is licensed to perform restricted activities, these people are not licensed to perform restricted healthcare activities.
Hospitals: healthcare facilities staffed by professsionals
AARC: cult run by quack
Psychiatrist: licensed medical professioal
The Wiz: dodgeball instructor
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Truly, AARColytes rank among the stupidest creatures to walk upright. Unlike AARC, hospitals are staffed by medical professionals. AARC is staffed by the Wizard, who is a phys ed teacher, Natalie Oldcomer, Lyin' Bryan Campbell and GoneWayDown Brown, who are not licensed professionals of any kind, and a bunch of former clients who are peer counselors. Unlike say a psychiarist, who is licensed to perform restricted activities, these people are not licensed to perform restricted healthcare activities.
Hospitals: healthcare facilities staffed by professsionals
AARC: cult run by quack
Psychiatrist: licensed medical professioal
The Wiz: dodgeball instructor
Thats why they dont charge as much as hospitals. Maybe half the cost. Good deal actually.
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Once again, an astoundingly stupid comment by an AARColyte.
It is not a good deal to pay for fake treatment by a quack.
It's against the law for an asshole like the Wizard to perform his quack treatment, as it is for the rest of his dim-witted, nasty, lying staff.
It is in fact a very bad deal for the tax-payers to fork over money to a man who has lied about being a psychologist for nearly twenty years to practise the faith-healing schtick he stole from Miller Newton.
Has it never occurred to any of you stunned fuckers to ask yourself why he has told this lie for so long?
The answer is pretty simple. He's breaking the law.
As for contacting Child Welfare, I have numerous times. Everybody involved with AARC in Social Services or Health and Welfare are about to be caught in a major league scandal.
Any of you AARColytes running your fingers along the screen as you read this, next time you're at an AARC church fundraiser, pass along a vigorous "Fuck you" for me to Paddy Meade, Ron Stevens, Heather Forsythe and any of the other reptillian tit-suckers who steal public money for AARC. Ron and Paddy quit returning my e-mails. Heather may be too busy keeping her son from beating his old lady.
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Once again, an astoundingly stupid comment by an AARColyte.
It is not a good deal to pay for fake treatment by a quack.
It's against the law for an asshole like the Wizard to perform his quack treatment, as it is for the rest of his dim-witted, nasty, lying staff.
It is in fact a very bad deal for the tax-payers to fork over money to a man who has lied about being a psychologist for nearly twenty years to practise the faith-healing schtick he stole from Miller Newton.
Has it never occurred to any of you stunned fuckers to ask yourself why he has told this lie for so long?
The answer is pretty simple. He's breaking the law.
As for contacting Child Welfare, I have numerous times. Everybody involved with AARC in Social Services or Health and Welfare are about to be caught in a major league scandal.
Any of you AARColytes running your fingers along the screen as you read this, next time you're at an AARC church fundraiser, pass along a vigorous "Fuck you" for me to Paddy Meade, Ron Stevens, Heather Forsythe and any of the other reptillian tit-suckers who steal public money for AARC. Ron and Paddy quit returning my e-mails. Heather may be too busy keeping her son from beating his old lady.
I can understand it may seem that way to you, but AARC's costs are way below what one would pay in a hospital setting or similar solutions in the states. I am sure if it were against the law they would be arresting hospital personnel first LOL. Why all this jelousy all of a sudden anyway? Your on a string and dont even know it Ajax. You are not going to get a return call, so give it up, but it is fun watching you try. Why not try social services? or health and welfare? They may put you on to someone or at least a better recording LOL.
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Completely incoherent drivel from another AARColyte moron. Are you really so stupid that you can't understand the simple fact that hospitals provide medical treatment derived from a few hundred years or so of scientific western medicine, while AARC provides religious rants from a gym teacher, three degenerate hacks who've spent their entire adult lives in a cult, and a bunch of people permanently arrested in adolescence.
The Wizard's bullshit "treatment" is just slightly less scientific than the Ghostbusters.
There's a fundamental principle that a lot of you AARColytes seem to be just too dumb to understand. Some things are real and some things are pretend.
AARC is a pretend treatment facility with a man pretending to be a mental health professional in charge.
Hospitals are real treatment facilities, with skilled professionals providing treatment. Insurance companies and Alberta Health pay for treatment by real health care professionals. They don't pay for AARC treatment because it's pretend. AARC gets money via rip-offs like their expansion, and lottery money, but they can't directly bill anyone for their services because it's fake.
Fortunately, you dolt, the rest of the people in this province are not like AARColytes. None of you seem able to grasp that fact. The one on a string is the asshole defrauding the people of Alberta while he inflicts his third-rate evangelism on a captive audience.
If you toadying bedwetters weren't so terrified of the truth getting out, you would have no reason to ever read this site. But read it you do, and year in and year out you post your stillborn half-thoughts and your vague, illogical and chickenshit threats.
I promise you, mouth-breathing detritus, that you hive-minded shitpiles at AARC have much bigger things to worry about than me.
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The fact that there are people on here defending AARC just goes to show that Canadians are just as stupid as us Americans.
Here's a good ol' American FUCK YOU for each of you:
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Frod your a trip. None of it really matters anyway. Who cares if your doctor lied about playing football or over bills the insurance companies. How many of us would stop getting gas at our local station because the guy over billed Exxon or didn’t pay all his taxes. Hell half our elected officials don’t pay taxes and employ illegal aliens. How many people here refuse to shop at Wal-Mart because of their hiring practices? Bias against woman and minorities, paying minimum wages? The company continues to grow. How many of us order “freedom fries” instead of French fries? Thought so. What matters is results, in most countries who have a free market system. If AARC can take a person thru a process and then they have them emerge on the road to recovery or recovered when they come out the other end thats all that counts for the person and if your check clears then AARC is happy too. Might people yell at you and treat you like shit? Who cares, move on.
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Frod your a trip. None of it really matters anyway. Who cares if your doctor lied about playing football or over bills the insurance companies. [“quote]
If your doctor, particularly your shrink, is known to be a liar, then how can the trust that is essential for an effective therapeutic relationship ever to be developed?
If he's lying about his athletic accomplishments, then isn't it possible he is lying about his academic or therapeutic qualifications as well?
You AARC apologists are just as bad as the Straightlings, but that doesn't surprise me, considering the pedigree of AARC........
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Guest, you are one stupid fuck. In the United States, just like in Canada, if you pretend to be a medical practitioner when you are not, and then perform "treatments" rooted in superstition, then you are subject to lawsuits and charges of fraud. If you violate the legal rights of people, as AARC does, then you face legal sanction. This has nothing whatsoever to do with whether the nature of Canada's economy is planned or laissez-faire. There was in fact not a single element of your post that demonstrated any understanding of the issue, which is malpractice and fraud. Were you trying to make some comparison of AARC, which is a registered charity and not a for profit business, with Wal-Mart? The incongruence of the two concepts is so vast that your mere mention of this idea is stunning in it's crystalline absence of intelligenct thought. You are currently the reigning champ of obtuse morons posting in this forum. You're not a trip, you're a fetid mound of shit moulded to roughly resemble a proto-human. I'm absolutely astounded that you're able to operate a key-board with input coming to your fingertips directly from your asshole rather than a human brain.
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What matters is results
Where are the results?
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Guest, you are one stupid fuck. In the United States, just like in Canada, if you pretend to be a medical practitioner when you are not, and then perform "treatments" rooted in superstition, then you are subject to lawsuits and charges of fraud. If you violate the legal rights of people, as AARC does, then you face legal sanction. This has nothing whatsoever to do with whether the nature of Canada's economy is planned or laissez-faire. There was in fact not a single element of your post that demonstrated any understanding of the issue, which is malpractice and fraud. Were you trying to make some comparison of AARC, which is a registered charity and not a for profit business, with Wal-Mart? The incongruence of the two concepts is so vast that your mere mention of this idea is stunning in it's crystalline absence of intelligenct thought. You are currently the reigning champ of obtuse morons posting in this forum. You're not a trip, you're a fetid mound of shit moulded to roughly resemble a proto-human. I'm absolutely astounded that you're able to operate a key-board with input coming to your fingertips directly from your asshole rather than a human brain.
Sorry to get you riled up. In the US or Canada if you pretend to be a doctor without a license it is illegal and you will end up in jail. The process is quite simple. Make a phone call and within a couple of hours the police will call the facility. A background check of licenses will be made and if the caller is correct that person will be arrested that same day. If on the other hand the caller is a nut and just trying to discredit the hospital or medical facility then the doctor will be able to continue his/her practice. Either way they will look into it.
We really don’t have to sit here and debate this, now that you have told the world via internet, if this guy doesn’t make the news this evening then your accusations are unfounded and you are wrong. If he is arrested today or tomorrow I will yield to your assessment. But based on your past accusations I don’t believe any of has to hold their breath, you haven’t been accurate about any of them. But lets be open minded and give it a day for the story to get out. A link to the local news article when the story breaks would be helpful.
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I am left in awe that someone would be so devoid of human dignity as to offer up a platitude as inane as "what matters is results". Your capacity for reasoning is greatly impaired, in fact to the point where I would wonder if you suffer from a congenital neurological disorder, or perhaps you were the victim of a severe head injury. It is truly bizarre that you attempted to place AARC in a neo-liberal economic context while embracing the totally discredited bolshevik philosophy that the ends justifies the means. The biggest problem with all of you addled uteral blood clots who embrace the illegal and deviant pseudo-scientific tough-love therapies is your utter lack of reasoned thought. It's as though you have no experience or knowledge of the rest of society. Is there a quack in the history of human deceptions who claimed to be unable to produce good results? As always, I sit open-mouthed and astounded at just how fucking dense you people are.
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Your previously statement is patently false, as it is based on a monumental error in reasoning. It is not necessarily so that one phone call will result in the police calling the facility. I have in fact pointed out to numerous officials, including the Minister of Justice, that AARC is operating an unlicensed medical facility using unlicensed practitioners. Again, you are incapabale of making a logical argument, having completely ignored the possiblity of complicity on the part of the various government agencies in allowing AARC to carry on. I am left to ponder whether you are that stupid, or whether you are playing at being stupid. Either way, you have my undying, total disrespect, and contempt.
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Your previously statement is patently false, as it is based on a monumental error in reasoning. It is not necessarily so that one phone call will result in the police calling the facility. I have in fact pointed out to numerous officials, including the Minister of Justice, that AARC is operating an unlicensed medical facility using unlicensed practitioners. Again, you are incapabale of making a logical argument, having completely ignored the possiblity of complicity on the part of the various government agencies in allowing AARC to carry on. I am left to ponder whether you are that stupid, or whether you are playing at being stupid. Either way, you have my undying, total disrespect, and contempt.
Okay, now we are getting someplace. So you already tried calling the police and your accusations were unfounded and they labelled you a “nut case”. You clearly don’t think of yourself as a nut case, so rational thinking led you to the only other possibility which is that there is a conspiracy and the whole government is in on this and they are sacrificing their political careers and own credibility and the credibility of their families by covering up for “one” man practicing without a license.
Okay next step, here is what you do. Newspaper people have a love/hate relationship with politicians. They don’t like them very much but they make the papers a lot of money. Call up your local paper and tell them about the conspiracy. They will jump at the info and could win a Pulitzer prize for exposing a conspiracy like this. Let us know how you make out.
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We're not getting any place. Why you have attempted to take a paternalistic tone, explaining to me you particular view of the relationship between the media and politicians, is baffling. It is counterintuitive for you to assume a pedagogic role, when you're clearly not familiar with any of the particulars of this phenomenon. Again, beggin the question, what exactly is wrong with you. Your vanity aside, the thread concerned AARC's attempt to remedy their twenty years of medical malpractise, not your completely mistaken perception of AARC as a business. Neither was the thread concerned with your compulsion to assume the role of authority figure, dispensing wisdom. Your egocentism is boring. Since you're posting on this forum, one would assume that you are familiar with Straight and Kids. If you're familiar with Straight and Kids, yet you are alleging that I have falsely made claims about AARC that are identical to those made, and after many years proven, about Straight and Kids, then you obviously don't know anything about AARC. If you don't know anything about AARC, yet you fabricate scenarios in which you make assumptions about me, AARC, and government officials in Alberta, and you feel that others are interested in reading these scenarios, then it would seem that you're just lonely and desperate for attention. If however, you do know the details about AARC's employees, and it's status vis-a-vis the Government of Alberta, yet you still allege that I'm lying, then you are attempting to defend criminals who routinely violate the basic human rights of people who are helpless to defend themselves.
So which is it fucker, are you just a lonely nut-case, or are you a truly deviant fan of child abuse?
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In the United States, just like in Canada, if you pretend to be a medical practitioner when you are not, and then perform "treatments" rooted in superstition, then you are subject to lawsuits and charges of fraud.
I suggested calling the local authorities and it would be resolved with hours or a day. The police concluded you were a “nut case”.
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I have in fact pointed out to numerous officials, including the Minister of Justice, that AARC is operating an unlicensed medical facility using unlicensed practitioners..... having completely ignored the possiblity of complicity on the part of the various government agencies in allowing AARC to carry on.
You suggested that the government may be covering up for AARC and I suggested calling the local newspaper. They love to break open bee hives like this one. This has nothing to do with my view of the world,but it exposes alot about yours.
We both know you accusations are unfounded and based on false information or the man would be in jail. I am just pointing out that if you were telling the truth this story would have unfolded in the media (which it clearly has not). You can direct your anger towards me if you like but sooner or later you will need to face reality and move on. I am sorry you were hurt by this place, but facts are facts.
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Again, you're attempting to be pedagogic in this, while demonstrating a lack of even the most rudimentary reasoning skills. This in addition to your tendency to accept your own conjecture as fact. You have no idea how long the local authorities would take to act, nor whether or not they would act. Just as you have no idea whether or not I have called the local authorities. You also have no idea what AARC's relationship is to the local newspaper, nor in fact, what mine is. In essence, you don't know a fucking thing about this subject or about me, yet you insist on spewing out advice along with your unfounded assessment of this situation. Your stupidity is neck in neck in a race with your conceit. The prize at the finish line is dominance over your perverse need to inflict your totally inadequate personality on other people. Your comment about what papers love to do is childish and demonstrates a total lack of familiarity with the nature of the press and it's relation to power structures, whether here in Calgary or anywhere else in the world. Are you also saying that anyone who commits a crime is in jail? You're dumb, which makes you boring. It's as though you were raised by a television set. If my claims about the place were unfounded, how would I have been hurt by the place? Are you lying when you say that you know whether or not my claims are unfounded, or are you lying when you say you're sorry I was hurt?
If I was hurt, then my claims are real. If I wasn't, then what the fuck are you sorry for?
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..... you have no idea whether or not I have called the local authorities.
You stated in a previous post:
I have in fact pointed out to numerous officials, including the Minister of Justice, that AARC is operating an unlicensed medical facility using unlicensed practitioners..... having completely ignored the possiblity of complicity on the part of the various government agencies in allowing AARC to carry on.
You suggested that the government may be covering up for AARC and I suggested calling the local newspaper. They love stories like this one.
Then you went on to state:
You also have no idea what AARC's relationship is to the local newspaper,
Oh, so now the local news papers are in on it? Jeees, even Watergate couldn’t keep the media quiet, this AARC must be a well connected place. I am truly sorry whatever it was this place did to you, but I hate to tell you that you are running out of cover ups.... local police, numerous officials, ministry of justice, local government and now the news media has been hushed up. When the local police called you a "nut case" you should have taken a hint.
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Watergate is a building. All animist beliefs aside, the mass of concrete, steel and glass does not have the capacity to keep the media quite nor perform any other act from the realm of sentient human behavior. So you aren't backing down from your assertion that the claims I have made about AARC are false, which means that you don't believe I was hurt by AARC. Which begs the question of why you would lie about being sorry that I was hurt in AARC. Is that a manifestation of the compulsion to demean people through the subversion of normal human emotional interaction so common in manipulative totalist environments like AARC? Or are you just that stupid that can't see the contradiction in denying an event yet having an emotional response to the same event in spite of it's not having occurred?
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Watergate is a building. All animist beliefs aside, the mass of concrete, steel and glass does not have the capacity to keep the media quite nor perform any other act from the realm of sentient human behavior. So you aren't backing down from your assertion that the claims I have made about AARC are false, which means that you don't believe I was hurt by AARC. Which begs the question of why you would lie about being sorry that I was hurt in AARC. Is that a manifestation of the compulsion to demean people through the subversion of normal human emotional interaction so common in manipulative totalist environments like AARC? Or are you just that stupid that can't see the contradiction in denying an event yet having an emotional response to the same event in spite of it's not having occurred?
No, just questioning the validity of your accusations. I understand that you may be hurt by this place but trying to attack them with false hoods, personal digs doesnt do anyone any good, yourself, fornits or others who are trying to build credibility. All it takes is a few nut cases like yourself to tear down years of work. I suggest you stick with what you know. Collect facts and pass them along to the authorities. Let them work the issue, you are getting yourself all caught up in your underwear here with the web you are weaving. Keep it simple and to the point and back it up with facts.
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You just stated that you were sorry I was hurt by AARC after stating that my claims about AARC were false. My claim was that AARC is engaged in malpractice. If I was hurt by AARC, that is, by defnition, malpractice. Which were you lying about? Were you lying about being sorry, or lying about knowing that my claims are false? You simply can't abandon your strange compulsion to attempt to dispense advice, yet you can't keep track of what you're saying. How can you be sorry for me being hurt if I wasn't hurt? If I was hurt, then my claims about malpractise are true. If that's the case, then why did you lie about knowing that my claims were false?
If I'm a nutcase and my claims are false, and the authorities know this, how could I possibly tear down years of work? That makes no sense. Is there no adult present with you who could help you before you post this self-contadictory pap?
Your initial statement about AARC somehow relating to Wal-Mart, when AARC is a Registered Charity and Wal-Mart a retail enterprise were beyond the pale of moronic, and you simply picked up speed as you rolled downhill in your ball of moronic bullshit. You are still holding the belt for the dimmest mother-fucker to post in this forum. Great work, champ.
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You just stated that you were sorry I was hurt by AARC after stating that my claims about AARC were false.
Just a guess but maybe they're not the same person. There are many anons about.
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If I'm a nutcase and my claims are false, and the authorities know this, how could I possibly tear down years of work?
Many times web sites and groups (in general) are perceived or judged by a few members who are outspoken. If these individuals align themselves with a group which is trying to gain credibility and then openly embarrass themselves by making false accusation against others to the point where the local authorities write them off as a “nut case” then this could reflect badly on the organization as a whole.
You dont seem to be the type to take disagreement well, but I just could not stand by without pointing out the flaws in your accusations. You may continue you pursuit, if you like, I just wanted to interject a small reality check. This finger poking at AARC may be an enjoyment to you knowing there was no substance to it. If this is the case then sorry for wasting your time here, have your fun. If it is not then give the past dialog exchange some thought, read back over it and I think you will see my point.
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If I'm a nutcase and my claims are false, and the authorities know this, how could I possibly tear down years of work?
Many times web sites and groups (in general) are perceived or judged by a few members who are outspoken. If these individuals align themselves with a group which is trying to gain credibility and then openly embarrass themselves by making false accusation against others to the point where the local authorities write them off as a “nut case” then this could reflect badly on the organization as a whole.
Cept there ain't no organization at all here. You speak for youself, I speak for myself, and Ajax speaks for himself. You're all quite welcome here, thought I would tend to side with Ajax. AARC is a Straight based cult. Simple as that. I've talked to those who have gone through it, listened to what they described, read paperwork from aarc, and frankly, it's damn near identical to Straight in most everything they do.
Ajax is hardly alone his opinions here and they are far from crazy.
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Which point, retard? The point about AARC being like Wal-Mart? Or the point about you being sorry for me being hurt even though I wasn't hurt because I made up the accusatons? Or the rambling, incoherent babble about groups being perceived by whomever was going to perceive them? If the accusations about AARC are baseless, then what group is going to be reflected on badly, you stupid fuck? You can't disprove a single thing I've said about AARC, and in the last two years, not a single one of you sacks of puss have been able to disprove anything I said. You still haven't explained which you lied about. Your knowledge that I made up the claims about AARC, or the fact that I was hurt by AARC and you're sorry. In addition to dishonest and obsequious, you're inept. You didn't know what your own point was, you fucking gibbon.
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Which point, retard? The point about AARC being like Wal-Mart? Or the point about you being sorry for me being hurt even though I wasn't hurt because I made up the accusatons? Or the rambling, incoherent babble about groups being perceived by whomever was going to perceive them? If the accusations about AARC are baseless, then what group is going to be reflected on badly, you stupid fuck? You can't disprove a single thing I've said about AARC, and in the last two years, not a single one of you sacks of puss have been able to disprove anything I said. You still haven't explained which you lied about. Your knowledge that I made up the claims about AARC, or the fact that I was hurt by AARC and you're sorry. In addition to dishonest and obsequious, you're inept. You didn't know what your own point was, you fucking gibbon.
I will take it you didn’t take the time to reread our past dialog based on your insistent post, but I wont respond with personal attacks.
2 things I would suggest at this point. Try to come to some closure on your accusations against this place with the authorities. If they still perceive you as a “nut case” then either drop it (which seems unlikely) or try a different approach. You have been working it for 2 years (I think you mentioned). If anyone was working as a doctor without a license I think they would have uncovered it by now. So we can safely conclude you were wrong on that one. Based on your excitement when proven wrong or disagreed with I can see how authorities may not want to deal with you directly. Maybe have a loved one speak on your behalf and try to pursue it again.
Secondly, I would try to calm down when making your point. You will tend to close more doors than you open and it may account for your failure to get anyone to listen to you at the local level over the past couple of years.
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Why are you still attempting to dispense advice when you can't formulate a coherent statement, and you have betrayed total ignorance of the subject matter? You think they would have uncovered it by now, so you can make a safe conclusion that I was wrong? You're so fucking over your head trying to form a sentence you can't tell when you've contradicted yourself? You don't know whether or not they would have uncovered it by now, dipshit, so you can't safely conclude that I was wrong. Tell me again how AARC is like Wal-Mart right before you bestow your wisdom. The Minister of Justice is not a local authority, piss stain. If there is no malpractice at AARC, and I made it up, what would be the point in changing tactics and pursuing it again? Take a lap around the ring you fucking abortion, you're the undefeated champion of imbeciles.
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Tell me again how AARC is like Wal-Mart right before you bestow your wisdom
They both have a greeter that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy.
Why are you still attempting to dispense advice when you can't formulate a coherent statement, and you have betrayed total ignorance of the subject matter? You think they would have uncovered it by now, so you can make a safe conclusion that I was wrong? You're so fucking over your head trying to form a sentence you can't tell when you've contradicted yourself? You don't know whether or not they would have uncovered it by now, dipshit, so you can't safely conclude that I was wrong. Tell me again how AARC is like Wal-Mart right before you bestow your wisdom. The Minister of Justice is not a local authority, piss stain. If there is no malpractice at AARC, and I made it up, what would be the point in changing tactics and pursuing it again? Take a lap around the ring you fucking abortion, you're the undefeated champion of imbeciles.
So it seems you may still have an untapped option open to you. If you haven’t called the local authorities (as you mentioned) I would suggest calling them this evening and have a talk with them or a friend with better communication skills and tolerance towards others with differing opinions. They will look into it and if in fact there is a person posing as a doctor working there he/she would be easily exposed. They will be able to pull up the persons license up by calling the medical association if the person cannot produce their license. It is fairly cut and dry and would be resolved within a day or two. Since this seems to be the last option open to you I would strongly suggest thinking it through and maybe getting help with your approach.
Good luck Ajax. I mean that. Try to stay cool.
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Tell me again how AARC is like Wal-mart. You haven't offered any opinion, simpleton. First you said that you had already safely concluded that I was incorrect in my statement about malpractice at AARC, then you offered advice on how to determine if in fact there was malpractice at AARC. This after you said that you were sorry that I was hurt, which would mean that there was in fact malpractice going on at AARC. So, fuckwad, you've said that I made it up, then said that I hadn't made it up, and then suggested how to have my claim investigated after stating that it was both made up and that you were sorry because it was true. The word that best describes you, short-eyes, is inadequate.
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Tell me again how AARC is like Wal-mart.
They both have a great marketing department
Tell me again how AARC is like Wal-mart. You haven't offered any opinion, simpleton. First you said that you had already safely concluded that I was incorrect in my statement about malpractice at AARC, then you offered advice on how to determine if in fact there was malpractice at AARC. This after you said that you were sorry that I was hurt, which would mean that there was in fact malpractice going on at AARC. So, fuckwad, you've said that I made it up, then said that I hadn't made it up, and then suggested how to have my claim investigated after stating that it was both made up and that you were sorry because it was true. The word that best describes you, short-eyes, is inadequate.
Opinion is not important here. Try to stay focused on just the facts. The important thing is that you feel there is a doctor who is working without a license. This should be resolved first and as I had stated before you can resolve this fairly quickly. I cant believe you have been fooling around for 2 years trying to get an answer. Read the previous post and try to resolve this tonight (suggestion).
If you were hurt by AARC then I feel bad as I had stated (doesn’t necessarily mean there is malpractice), but if you feel there is then I would consult a lawyer. You could get a rough idea in a day or two from talking with one. I would try to calm down before you speak to the lawyer, with your energy he may be apt to take AARC's side in all of this. Take a loved one with you to help to stay focused and relaxed.
Let us know how it goes with the local officials tonight.
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Who said that there is a doctor working without a license? What proof do you have that the person is a doctor, and what proof do you have that they do not have a license?
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Who said that there is a doctor working without a license? What proof do you have that the person is a doctor, and what proof do you have that they do not have a license?
I thought “you” had, but I may have been mistaken. There have been so many posts today, I appologize. So since we have established that AARC doesn’t have a licensing issue, in your mind, we can move on. So this has been a productive disussion so far. Having unlicensed personnel is a big issue but can be easily resolved. I am not use to speaking with someone with so much energy, as yourself, so I appologize for my reserve.
At this point I would focus on determining how you stand in regards to malpractice. Many attorneys will grant a consult within 24 hours and he/she would be able to get you a rough idea on where you stand legally. Again consider bringing someone along for support.
Goodluck, Ajax
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Hope you get bone cancer, you piece of shit. As for AARC, still no license, still run by a quack straight out of Kids. Get it, Straight out of Kids? It's funny because AARC came from Kids, which came from Straight. Sometimes, you snivelling pile of garbage, I crack myself up.
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Hope you get bone cancer, you piece of shit. As for AARC, still no license, still run by a quack straight out of Kids. Get it, Straight out of Kids? It's funny because AARC came from Kids, which came from Straight. Sometimes, you snivelling pile of garbage, I crack myself up.
Sorry you are pissed off. I can see why you have trouble getting answers from these people, they probably hang up on you fairly quickly. But not all was lost, we were able to determine that there are no employees running around unlicensed when there should be. As far as being an unlicensed facility...... maybe they dont need to be licensed. What I would do is call around,or better yet have a loved one do it, ministry of education if they have one etc. and see what the deal is. But my guess is that there is no requirement. Its good to keep the pressure on because it keeps them on their toes to keep everything in order. You should also try to get some help on some of those anger issues. There are many people who cant figure out why they were sent to a program in the first place but your case is fairly obvious. You are working on the sense of humor, so I have to give you that.
Good luck Ajax
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As far as being an unlicensed facility...... maybe they dont need to be licensed.
This, just one small aspect of the whole problem.
You're right. They don't need to be licensed. If you read about what AARC does, what they claim etc., don't you think a place like that should need to have a license?
As Psy said, AARC is almost identical to Straight, Kids, KHK, etc.
The AARC stays afloat by hovering in the gray area, by manipulating the situation and information provided to suit their needs best in any given situation. They use an aspect of one law or act to avoid accountability to another.
Let's take host homes for example.
Should need a license through the social care facility act. Foster homes need a license. Yet AARC claims to be "outpatient" to avoid doing this. AARC says they are not "residential" that they use a volunteer "host home" situation of generous parents of other clients to house their clients. These kids go from the center to a host home and back to the center. Even though they don't live at the center, it essentially becomes a residential program.
AARC avoids accountability for this by saying the "host home" parents are volunteering their time/homes etc., to house these clients, but they're NOT. It's not voluntary, it's a requirement of the program.
They pretty much have to have it this way to stay operating the way they do.
See if AARC claimed to be a residential program, that's a whole new ball game! The host homes would need a license, a criminal record check, a child welfare check. It would be illegal to hold clients against their will. Child welfare acts would come into play having it illegal for a drug addict to be in a position of care over a minor.... etc., etc.
But AARC avoids ALL this by saying they are NOT a residential facility, but an outpatient facility.
This same situation can be applied to almost every aspect of the AARC program.
Malpractice?
Well, Although Vause says he's a doctor, parents believe he's an actual doctor until they learn otherwise, he holds a PhD. etc., AARC claims to treat a "disease", treat mental health issues etc., but yet they don't require licensing, accredited staff etc., like a hospital or a clinic would.
AARC escapes this by being a "Temperance" program, basically an AA group. But AA doesn't charge thousands of dollars per year. AARC also escapes this by not billing health care. The programs in the US that did this exact thing WERE licensed and DID charge medicaid etc. It's the same program basically, so why does one need to be licensed and the other not?
AARC being an independent program is not ran via AADAC or Health and Wellness, so no, they are NOT a clinic, they are NOT medical professionals, yet they DO claim to be!!!
I'd call that fraud.
And guest, all your talk about taking this to the police. The clients in AARC come to believe that anything happening to them is for their own good. (Please watch "Over the GW", or at the very least learn something about "thought reform") And even if a client wanted to talk to the police how could they?? And what graduate is going to call the police knowing full well their family is entrenched in AARC and they will be an outcast if they report anything? Or how about the lack of a likely prosecution because the justice system has become so entrenched with AARC over the last 20 years. Just because something has been going on for a long time doesn't make it OK.
Let's say a client tried to tell the police they were held against their will, for example. But maybe there was a court order saying they had to be there, police will do nothing. Or maybe the client is/was under 18 and their parents wanted them in the AARC because the AARC so thoroughly convinced the parent their kid would die if they took the kid out. The parents are desperate when they put their kid in AARC. AARC banks on this.
As for the media, which reporter is going to lose their job trying to pursue this because the corporate giant has been donating hundreds of thousands into this place over the last 20 years? There is also a tendency for people to just keep supporting something just because someone well known is supporting it. Look at Straight, Supported by presidents and princesses.
If THEY support it, it can't be bad, right?
Yet within 20 years it was found to be abusive, fraudulent, and ALL of the very things that AARC does, and even though it was supported by presidents and princesses, it was STILL shut down!
I'm sorry guest, it didn't happen overnight via a meeting with the police with or without an accompanying family member.
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Ajax's tormentor knows all that, on some level. It doesn't matter. It doesn't make a difference. He doesn't even live in Canada.
This guy is driven by other demons. It's tragic really.
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Thank you “Timesup” for taking the time to explain it, that was a very clear post. I can better understand why people are up in arms about some of these places. My point to Ajax was to try to stay focused on the issues about AARC. I tended to side with AARC when Ajax started making fun of peoples weight and family members or whether or not they played sports when they were young. This comes across as some highschool kid who wants to get even with the teacher for getting a bad grade instead of someone with serious concerns. Its easy to understand why he/she was not taken seriously when speaking with authorities. Isnt there a way to find out who goes to these places and then contact them to see what their experiences were? I was thinking that if there were more people you could approach the authorities as a "group" instead of one person. I have worked the phones before and there is nothing worse than having to speak to someone who is screaming with foul language. I may tell them I will help just to get them off the phone. Someone like yourself, with more patience with people, could probably get further thru the system getting answers.
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It's reassuring to see that AARC-supporting child-molesters still have to bird-dog this forum. As always, wishing you a rapidly-spreading malignancy.
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Ajax's tormentor knows all that, on some level. It doesn't matter. It doesn't make a difference. He doesn't even live in Canada.
This guy is driven by other demons. It's tragic really.
The tormentor is himself and his demons reside in AARC. He needs to try to move on somehow.
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This slab of garbage isn't tormenting me. My role in this is pretty much wrapped up. Everything posted on this forum gets back to AARC, so Fornits still serves to sow a little chaos inside the bunker. As with Kids, AARC will be undone in the courts, but as with Kids, it won't happen overnight. There are not words in the language profane enough to accurately convey the overwhelming disgust that I have for the AARColytes and people who support them. But it's fun to try.
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I'm tired of being tormented to hell, that's what I'm tired of.
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This slab of garbage isn't tormenting me. My role in this is pretty much wrapped up. Everything posted on this forum gets back to AARC, so Fornits still serves to sow a little chaos inside the bunker. As with Kids, AARC will be undone in the courts, but as with Kids, it won't happen overnight. There are not words in the language profane enough to accurately convey the overwhelming disgust that I have for the AARColytes and people who support them. But it's fun to try.
So you are still tormented, though. AARC is moving along fine and still growing and by your own op they are improving every day. If I could make a suggestion I would say : “Let it go”, dont let anyone/anything get to you. Focus on your own life and the events happening today. You have control of that and your own destiny. Spend more time with loved ones and try to shake off the hatred and build a happy life for yourself.
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Nobody controls their destiny you fucking slobbering half-wit. By definition destiny can't be controlled. You are entirely incapable of making a remotely intelligent statement. Obsessed, stupid and child-abusing is no way to go through life, son.
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Nobody controls their destiny you fucking slobbering half-wit. By definition destiny can't be controlled. You are entirely incapable of making a remotely intelligent statement. Obsessed, stupid and child-abusing is no way to go through life, son.
I am sorry that you feel you cant gain control of your life. I think that is where you got yourself lost, you really don’t need to accept that you are destined to live this way. Just put it all behind you and focus on your family and start doing things that make you happy. Dumping all this anger and profanity on everyone doesn’t help yourself or anyone else. Feel sorry for you man. Try to lighten up, you had some humorous posts in the past. Try to focus on those types of ideas.
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AARC is moving along fine and still growing
Treatment centers, legitimate clinics don't "Grow"
Organizations, cults, "Grow"
I can't speak for Ajax, but I can speak for myself.
The only reason I fight for this is because I don't want to see another family suffer. Families go to this place needing help. Families TRUST them!!!
What do they do with this trust?
They deceive you.
They take away your rights.
They take away your belief in yourself.
They take away your autonomy.
They violate your natural relationship with your family.
I keep hearing about the ends justifying the means.
AARC says what happens to kids in the program is better than being out in the gutter somewhere. Well, breaking a person's legs isn't as bad as cutting their legs off... but that doesn't make it legal or OK to break their legs.
IMO AARC is as successful as putting a kid in a war camp for a year. They're going to come out a different person. Does that make it OK? A traumatized changed person, who's new existence/identity is a member of "AARC" forever having to give back?
There comes a time when too many people are harmed and enough people exercise their moral responsibility to speak up, the blinders come off, and "programs" are exposed for what they really are and what they really do to people.
The time is now.
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Thanks Timesup, If that is true then you need to try to shut these places down asap. But having “Nut Cases” attacking a business only helps to strengthen and solidify that businesses place in the community. For example you take a guy like ajax who is harassing AARC, making fun of the owners’ wives and weight conditions etc. making phones calls about gulags, prison guards and detainees etc. Officials understand harassment and this brings sympathy to the place being harassed. Before you know it they are playing golf together. Each time the cops are called to visit AARC, because of some nut, they get to know the local officials a little better and before you know it AARC is hosting a local little league team and establishes more respect in the community. Ajax may not realize it but he has probably contributed to AARC’s success in the area. Unless you have some hard evidence, bringing attention to these places sometimes only makes them stronger. You are better off going after them legally and filing complaints which can add up and doesn’t require constant contact with AARC. Once the complaints add up the officials will take action on their own and investigate.
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I am sorry that you feel you cant gain control of your life. I think that is where you got yourself lost, you really don’t need to accept that you are destined to live this way. Just put it all behind you and focus on your family and start doing things that make you happy. Dumping all this anger and profanity on everyone doesn’t help yourself or anyone else. Feel sorry for you man. Try to lighten up, you had some humorous posts in the past. Try to focus on those types of ideas.
Oh just quit it. JeeeeZUS CHRIST this is so fucking typically program. THIS is exactly the kind of "treatment" that kids inside are getting. Staff doing their best to 'break 'em down'......cuz, y'know.....it's for their own good so you can 'build them back up'. All the sarcasm, the false pity, the condescension....ALL of it program tactics.
AARC is no different than KIDS was, which was no different than STRAIGHT was. Vause learned from ole Virg/Miller/"father" cassian and he learned well.
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Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.. :beat: :roflmao:
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Thanks Timesup, If that is true then you need to try to shut these places down asap. But having “Nut Cases” attacking a business only helps to strengthen and solidify that businesses place in the community. For example you take a guy like ajax who is harassing AARC, making fun of the owners’ wives and weight conditions etc. making phones calls about gulags, prison guards and detainees etc. Officials understand harassment and this brings sympathy to the place being harassed. Before you know it they are playing golf together. Each time the cops are called to visit AARC, because of some nut, they get to know the local officials a little better and before you know it AARC is hosting a local little league team and establishes more respect in the community. Ajax may not realize it but he has probably contributed to AARC’s success in the area. Unless you have some hard evidence, bringing attention to these places sometimes only makes them stronger. You are better off going after them legally and filing complaints which can add up and doesn’t require constant contact with AARC. Once the complaints add up the officials will take action on their own and investigate.
Just so you know, the police are not happy with AARC. They stonewalled them when the police came with a warrant for two AARC graduate who are accused of murder. Oooops.
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Thanks Timesup, If that is true then you need to try to shut these places down asap. But having “Nut Cases” attacking a business only helps to strengthen and solidify that businesses place in the community. For example you take a guy like ajax who is harassing AARC, making fun of the owners’ wives and weight conditions etc. making phones calls about gulags, prison guards and detainees etc. Officials understand harassment and this brings sympathy to the place being harassed. Before you know it they are playing golf together. Each time the cops are called to visit AARC, because of some nut, they get to know the local officials a little better and before you know it AARC is hosting a local little league team and establishes more respect in the community. Ajax may not realize it but he has probably contributed to AARC’s success in the area. Unless you have some hard evidence, bringing attention to these places sometimes only makes them stronger. You are better off going after them legally and filing complaints which can add up and doesn’t require constant contact with AARC. Once the complaints add up the officials will take action on their own and investigate.
Just so you know, the police are not happy with AARC. They stonewalled them when the police came with a warrant for two AARC graduate who are accused of murder. Oooops.
Hiccup, Next week some idiot will call and harrass AARC with the personal attacks and talk of gulags and inmates and the police will sympathize with AARC again. Best to keep the pressure on with filling complaints to errode any symapthy/ties which exist. The police spend their lives having their time wasted by idiots. Give them something tangible.
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AARC is no different than KIDS was, which was no different than STRAIGHT was. Vause learned from ole Virg/Miller/"father" cassian and he learned well.
True. Vause is an accomplished child abuser and junk toucher.
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AARC is no different than KIDS was, which was no different than STRAIGHT was. Vause learned from ole Virg/Miller/"father" cassian and he learned well.
True. Vause is an accomplished child abuser and junk toucher.
This is funny and may get comic relief from taking pot shots. But we all know that if any of this were true the guy would be in jail. Shit.. Teachers make national news for half that. Even if “one” kid just complained to the cops the guy would be denied contact from “all” kids until it was resolved. But its been mentioned over and over so many times here on fornits that people actually take this as fact now (funny how that works so well!!)
Unfortunately it works on fornits because many want to believe it to be true, but the police and local officials know the difference between a prank call and a serious inquiry. These are the comments I was mentioning that give AARC/Vause more power through sympathy.
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The above statement is, in keeping with all of the other pro-AARC posts, so inherently stupid that it defies credulity. But, as with all anonymous gutless AARColytes, you have my gratitude for helping to keep a focus on AARC's criminality. Is it possible for someone to be so stupid as to believe that if someone has committed a crime, they must be in jail? If your other arguments hadn't proven to be so infantile and rooted in total ignorance about AARC, the Wiz, and even Canada, I would have thought that there was some motive other than an obsessive desire to normalize your penchant for child-abuse and general criminality inherent in all the Synanon-derived B-MOd cults. The best you could come up with is "he can't be a criminal, criminals are in jail"? This is a drastic measure, but I would strongly suggest that you consider medical treatment based on the Kervorkian model, asshole. Again, thanks for keeping this whole thing alive while AARC edges to the precipice!
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The above statement is, in keeping with all of the other pro-AARC posts, so inherently stupid that it defies credulity. But, as with all anonymous gutless AARColytes, you have my gratitude for helping to keep a focus on AARC's criminality. Is it possible for someone to be so stupid as to believe that if someone has committed a crime, they must be in jail? If your other arguments hadn't proven to be so infantile and rooted in total ignorance about AARC, the Wiz, and even Canada, I would have thought that there was some motive other than an obsessive desire to normalize your penchant for child-abuse and general criminality inherent in all the Synanon-derived B-MOd cults. The best you could come up with is "he can't be a criminal, criminals are in jail"? This is a drastic measure, but I would strongly suggest that you consider medical treatment based on the Kervorkian model, asshole. Again, thanks for keeping this whole thing alive while AARC edges to the precipice!
Your welcome!! So lets see how truthful it really is. Pick up the phone and call the local police and tell them that this guy raped and molested a child and you want to file a complaint. Then we can all turn on the news channel tomorrow morning and see the results. If you are telling the truth the news will be broken nationally. He may get off after a fair trial, But I guarantee he wont be allowed to be near kids until it is cleared.
Like I stated, we all know it is not true because local authorities and news people would be all over it. They love this type of stuff.
My gut says you wont call because there is no truth in it. But lets wait and see.
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Neil Young, a Canadian, released an album called ARC.
Coincidence?
No jokes about the tin-foil hat please, or else!
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Ive seen a few in the Midwest involving school teachers and it makes the news the same night. They cant sit on it long or the town will get sued, they pull ‘em out right away. It’s a fucking feeding frenzy with the media.
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Neil Young, a Canadian, released an album called ARC.
Coincidence?
No jokes about the tin-foil hat please, or else!
Neil Young was also a fan of Ronald Reagan.
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The above statement is, in keeping with all of the other pro-AARC posts, so inherently stupid that it defies credulity. But, as with all anonymous gutless AARColytes, you have my gratitude for helping to keep a focus on AARC's criminality. Is it possible for someone to be so stupid as to believe that if someone has committed a crime, they must be in jail? If your other arguments hadn't proven to be so infantile and rooted in total ignorance about AARC, the Wiz, and even Canada, I would have thought that there was some motive other than an obsessive desire to normalize your penchant for child-abuse and general criminality inherent in all the Synanon-derived B-MOd cults. The best you could come up with is "he can't be a criminal, criminals are in jail"? This is a drastic measure, but I would strongly suggest that you consider medical treatment based on the Kervorkian model, asshole. Again, thanks for keeping this whole thing alive while AARC edges to the precipice!
Your welcome!! So lets see how truthful it really is. Pick up the phone and call the local police and tell them that this guy raped and molested a child and you want to file a complaint. Then we can all turn on the news channel tomorrow morning and see the results. If you are telling the truth the news will be broken nationally. He may get off after a fair trial, But I guarantee he wont be allowed to be near kids until it is cleared.
Like I stated, we all know it is not true because local authorities and news people would be all over it. They love this type of stuff.
My gut says you wont call because there is no truth in it. But lets wait and see.
give it a rest, he is just goofing on the wiz because he hates him
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It's always difficult to tell which mewling, shit-for-brains AARColyte is posting because they're too scared to even have a consistent user name now. However, it seems that one of you is claiming that somebody raped and molested a child. If that's true, I would hope you would take appropriate action such as filing a police report. I haven't heard the Wiz implicated in anything like a rape, although numerous instances of oldcomers and peer counsellors particpating in sexual assaults on have come to my attention.
Perhaps these anonymous references to rape are a desperate cry for help. For all we know, it's the Wiz himself posting here.
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It's always difficult to tell which mewling, shit-for-brains AARColyte is posting because they're too scared to even have a consistent user name now. However, it seems that one of you is claiming that somebody raped and molested a child. If that's true, I would hope you would take appropriate action such as filing a police report. I haven't heard the Wiz implicated in anything like a rape, although numerous instances of oldcomers and peer counsellors particpating in sexual assaults on have come to my attention.
Perhaps these anonymous references to rape are a desperate cry for help. For all we know, it's the Wiz himself posting here.
LOL, all you have to do is confront them, ask for evidence and they fold like a cheap suit. So far all mouth no evidence. So it looks like we have gone full circle.
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The above post, like so many made by anonymous guests, is total gibberish. My suspicion is that the anxiety in these spineless AARColyte fuck-ups driving them to return to this forum, albeit in their cowardly anonymous manner, is impeding their ability to express any thoughts in a coherent form. The semi-literate poster uses the pronoun "them" without demonstrating who "them is". As a result, it is entirely impossible to determine what this unfortunate person is trying to say. As to the AARColyte who's claiming that the Wiz is a rapist, as I stated above, that's a serious accusation and if it's founded in reality, please notify the police. If this is you posting here Wiz, you're only making things worse for yourself. It is my understanding that one of the AARColyte assaillants involved in a particularly nasty sexual assault at AARC is deceased, putting an end to any thoughts of that assault being addressed in the courts. One less Midnight Crusader. As for going full circle, this thread started when it was pointed out that after another frothing AARColyte repeatedly claimed that AARC employed professional medical and mental health care workers, when this was untrue. Thus AARC hired scum-bag Marty Heeg. Heeg was a consultant for AARC, but has been hired on to try to put a legitimate veneer on the putrefying corpse of AARC. Heeg was hired because the only professional person on AARC's staff was long-time cult-member Nurse Toomanypillsko. The Wiz, Natalie Oldcomer, Lyin' Brian Campbell and Gonewaydown Brown are all rank amateurs posing as trained mental health professionals. The Wiz's step-daughter has debarked from the sinking ship. However, it's too little too late for AARC. You can't paint a turd.
As for you, dumbfuck culties, carry on gnashing your teeth as the ground shifts right under your feet.
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The above post, like so many made by anonymous guests, is total gibberish. My suspicion is that the anxiety in these spineless AARColyte fuck-ups driving them to return to this forum, albeit in their cowardly anonymous manner, is impeding their ability to express any thoughts in a coherent form. The semi-literate poster uses the pronoun "them" without demonstrating who "them is". As a result, it is entirely impossible to determine what this unfortunate person is trying to say. As to the AARColyte who's claiming that the Wiz is a rapist, as I stated above, that's a serious accusation and if it's founded in reality, please notify the police. If this is you posting here Wiz, you're only making things worse for yourself. It is my understanding that one of the AARColyte assaillants involved in a particularly nasty sexual assault at AARC is deceased, putting an end to any thoughts of that assault being addressed in the courts. One less Midnight Crusader. As for going full circle, this thread started when it was pointed out that after another frothing AARColyte repeatedly claimed that AARC employed professional medical and mental health care workers, when this was untrue. Thus AARC hired scum-bag Marty Heeg. Heeg was a consultant for AARC, but has been hired on to try to put a legitimate veneer on the putrefying corpse of AARC. Heeg was hired because the only professional person on AARC's staff was long-time cult-member Nurse Toomanypillsko. The Wiz, Natalie Oldcomer, Lyin' Brian Campbell and Gonewaydown Brown are all rank amateurs posing as trained mental health professionals. The Wiz's step-daughter has debarked from the sinking ship. However, it's too little too late for AARC. You can't paint a turd.
As for you, dumbfuck culties, carry on gnashing your teeth as the ground shifts right under your feet.
Nice back peddling, Ajax. So you see next time "Say what you mean". If you think there is a problem call the authorities, dont be a wimp. If you dont have the guts to follow through with your accusations dont start it up, thats all I am saying. You come across as real tough and like to through around the gutter language a bit for show. Stop being such a girl and do something about it instead whinning here on fornits and then running away each time your confronted.... Go bowling or something,take your girl out and pick up the tap for a change, have a nice weekend bro!
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Who are you, anonymous chickenshit?
One of the anonymous guests made a completely ridiculous comment about the press, and the police, and their reaction to child-molesters. Here's a case from Calgary with which I am somewhat familiar:
"Character witnesses support teacher convicted of sexual assault
Last Updated: Friday, April 7, 2000 | 8:14 PM ET
CBC News
A court in Calgary has heard that teachers, who worked with a man who sexually assaulted students, considered him a friendly and outgoing man who never did anything inappropriate.
A former student who was sexually assaulted at a Calgary junior high school is suing Joseph Gorsline and the Calgary Board of Education.
She claims the board knew about the teacher's activities but failed to do anything.
Gorsline pleaded guilty to charges back in 1993 and is serving a prison term
The civil trial is expected to continue for another week and a half."
http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2000/04/07 ... 00407.html (http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2000/04/07/lawsuitcal000407.html)
I first heard about Gorsline in 1984. In addition to screwing 13-year-old girls, he also had a tendency to beat the shit out of his male students when the spirit so moved him. As you can see from the article, he was not convicted until 1993, and the civil suit didn't hit the courts until 2000. The sexual assaults for which he was convicted took place around 1980 or so. Notice, if you will that his colleagues all said "he was a real swell cat, and I sure didn't see anything wrong."
Gorsline, like the Wiz, was a phys ed teacher. Unlike the Wiz, Gorsline did not branch out into conning millions of dollars out of gullible parents and conning charities and the province into supporting him.
It took almost fifteen years for the girls to get the police to take action against Gorsline, and the Board did indeed know about his activities for some time before anyone took any action. In the end, he did end up in the crowbar hotel. The Wiz won't be too far behind.
As for you, anonymous coward, you were just a peer counselor. Too insignificant to pursue. So, to sum up, go fuck yourself.
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So you google and find one example. Almost all the cases unfold within hours now a days. A kid says he/she is looked at sideways and they will haul the bastard in for questioning. If there is the least impropriety it surfaces quickly and it is dealt with. These kids are not from the 80's and 90's. Look you are pissed off and hoping your friend is guilty of something so you can sleep better, but it just aint gonna happen. We both know it, it’s a pipe dream for you and you even have yourself convinced it is real. Sorry you have to live this way…. you should chill, enjoy some of your time and the people around you. Life is good.
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If life is so good for you, you degenerate dead-end fuck-head, why do you keep posting in Fornits? Here's another example, again from Calgary, of a criminal carrying on for 16 years before police took action.
"Repeat violent offender back in custody after 1 week
Last Updated: Wednesday, July 6, 2005 | 3:44 PM ET
CBC News
An offender with a history of violence against women has been re-arrested in Ottawa, less than a week after completing a five-year prison term in Alberta.
Jean Guy Tremblay, 41, was picked up in the city's west end at 10:30 Tuesday morning.
Corrections Canada issued an arrest warrant after Tremblay failed to comply with at least one condition of his long-term supervision order.
Jean Guy Tremblay. (File photo)
Police aren't saying which condition he violated, citing privacy laws.
Tremblay made national headlines in 1989 when he went to the Supreme Court of Canada in an unsuccessful attempt to prevent Chantal Daigle, a former girlfriend from Quebec, from having an abortion.
In 1999, he was convicted for attacks on two girlfriends in Calgary.
That was the latest in a series of 14 convictions for beating, stalking and choking women in Quebec and Alberta, in incidents dating back 16 years.
FROM APRIL 21, 2005: Top court won't hear repeat abuser's bid
Tremblay had been living at a halfway house in Ottawa since his release from the Bowden Institution in Alberta on June 30, after he'd completed his latest five-year prison sentence.
Among the conditions the National Parole Board attached to his release:
He must undergo psychological counselling.
He must not contact his victims or their families.
He must inform his parole office of any relationship he has with a woman.
He must live at a community correctional centre or community residential centre for 90 days.
Because he has been designated a long-term offender, Tremblay will remain under supervision until 2015.
After the Provincial Repeat Offender Parole Enforcement Squad picked him up Tuesday, Tremblay was brought to the Ottawa-Carleton Regional Detention Centre, where he is being held."
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2005/07/ ... 50706.html (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2005/07/06/tremblay-detained050706.html)
The Wiz's mannerisms and speech in "Recovering Krystal" reminded me so much of this guy, it was eerie. That is in fact what prompted me to learn about AARC. Lo and behold if the Wiz hadn't come right out of a child-abusing cult in New Jersey. Always go with your instincts.
You might want to keep in mind, anonymous guest, that this person crossed my path in November, 1998. He's been incarcerated now since March, 1999.
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So you are starting to see that anyone who crosses our paths could be a mass murderer or a rapist. There is no way to tell. You, me, the guy next door. What do we do accuse everyone or people at random and harass them, call the police? This would be foolish and the caller would be labeled a “nut case”.
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In case you hadn't figured it out, you gutless moron, this isn't random. At some point, the miasma of stupidity in which you live your life might have cleared enough for you to figure out that you're posting in a forum dedicated to Straight and it's derivatives. These were never random allegations. As has been said hundreds of times, the Wiz came from the criminal organization Kids. This organization was run by a man who had himself come from the criminal organization Straight. Long before I had heard of AARC, the complaints about malpractise, unlawful confinement, assaults and all of AARC's other hallmarks were being made. These complaints are very specific. And some are quite easily demonstrated to be true. As always, I appreciate the opportunity presented by the obsessive anonymous posts by the AARColytes. The obsessive monitoring of this site by AARColytes serves as a medium to remind AARC that none of this is going away.
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In case you hadn't figured it out, you gutless moron, this isn't random. At some point, the miasma of stupidity in which you live your life might have cleared enough for you to figure out that you're posting in a forum dedicated to Straight and it's derivatives. These were never random allegations. As has been said hundreds of times, the Wiz came from the criminal organization Kids. This organization was run by a man who had himself come from the criminal organization Straight. Long before I had heard of AARC, the complaints about malpractise, unlawful confinement, assaults and all of AARC's other hallmarks were being made. These complaints are very specific. And some are quite easily demonstrated to be true. As always, I appreciate the opportunity presented by the obsessive anonymous posts by the AARColytes. The obsessive monitoring of this site by AARColytes serves as a medium to remind AARC that none of this is going away.
Again, you are welcome, but you can write this stuff without me being your catalyst. So based on your logic every kid that ever went to Columbine High school is going to blow something up or start killing people. It is just a matter of time? Should we just put them all on trial and jail them? or wait for them to commit a crime first? If one of them crosses my path does that make them more apt to commit a crime?
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The obsessive monitoring of this site by AARColytes serves as a medium to remind AARC that none of this is going away.
Why would anyone want this to go away? This is a great discussion and readers get a chance to see both sides of the issue. Please keep it open and public. If either of us did not want this we wouldnt be posting.
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This isn't the stupidest argument put forth in here by a gutless cultie, but it ranks up there. Kids was an organization that existed to defraud state agencies, insurance companies, and individual families by selling a pseudo-scientific treatment program. In addition, an array of illegal behaviors were used as policy, among them unlawful confinement of newcomers, diagnoses by unqualified individuals, and rubber-stamping of treatment plans by people who had never seen the individual clients. AARC engages in all of these practises, and has since it's inception. The student body of Columbine was not a criminal entity, whereas Kids most certainly was. I wonder on occasion, how you dumb motherfuckers get through the day when you're so completely devoid of the capacity to think. In this forum, you're able to be completely unaccountable for what you say. One shudders at the thought of running into a slinking, evasive piece of shit like you in the real world.
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This isn't the stupidest argument put forth in here by a gutless cultie, but it ranks up there.
You seem to have this fear of culties
Kids was an organization that existed to defraud state agencies, insurance companies, and individual families by selling a pseudo-scientific treatment program. In addition, an array of illegal behaviors were used as policy, among them unlawful confinement of newcomers, diagnoses by unqualified individuals, and rubber-stamping of treatment plans by people who had never seen the individual clients.
Wow that is awful.
AARC engages in all of these practises, and has since it's inception.
[link placeholder] forgot the link again.
I will hold off on this thought till you provide the link.
The student body of Columbine was not a criminal entity, whereas Kids most certainly was.
I find it really hard to believe the student body of kids was a criminal entity. I would like to see proof that they turned all these kids into criminals.
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I wonder on occasion, how you dumb motherfuckers get through the day when you're so completely devoid of the capacity to think.
One step above “wonder” would rise you to the thinking level LOL. But you spend your time well.
In this forum, you're able to be completely unaccountable for what you say.
Well not completely, I will be waiting for your links. I like holding you accountable and then sit back and watch the back peddling.
One shudders at the thought of running into a slinking, evasive piece of shit like you in the real world.
There goes that cultiphobia again LOL. I dont bite!
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Gutless fuck, you have gone form using your name, to using an array of usernames, to posting anonymously. You don't even have a basic grasp of punctuation and grammar. Did you think that there was a website that one could link to that demonstrates AARC's illegal practises? Are you familiar with other criminal enteprises that maintain a website outlining their illegal practises, you fucking oaf? I realize that you bought into the Wiz's Synanon program, and then you convinced yourself that you were qualified to treat people as a peer counselor, so I suppose that your credulity knows no bounds. The telling aspect of your last post is your reaction to patently criminal behavior. It's the dead give-away for a deviant piece of garbage who gets off on inflicting himself on the helpless. As always, you can be counted on to pull the cult black-is-white bullshit, as you post anonymously while claiming that I'm afraid. As always, asshole, feel free to register with Fornits and have a user name. Don't be scared fuckwad, nobody's trying to track you down. Remember that knee-slapper? How about the investigation for crimnal slander that was going to get me? There is fuck-all AARC can do now. You on the other hand, are a few months away from being alumni of the most scandalized organization in this country since the Mount Cashel Orphanage. Good luck with that, shitpile. Here's your grammar and punctuation lesson for the day, you quasi-literate dipshit:
"The student body of Columbine was not a criminal entity, whereas Kids most certainly was." You might notice fuckhead, that there is no apostrophe following Kids. The subject of the phrase is Kids, not Kids' student body. It wasn't a school and didn't have a student body, you ignorant waste of oxygen.
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Gutless fuck, you have gone form using your name, to using an array of usernames, to posting anonymously.
Did you mean to say “... From using your name...”?. You must be mistaken I don’t have a user name.
You don't even have a basic grasp of punctuation and grammar.
As you will see below I think you will be a little embarrassed. You should try getting an education before becoming the “fornits grammar Nazi” LOL
Did you think that there was a website that one could link to that demonstrates AARC's illegal practises? Are you familiar with other criminal enteprises that maintain a website outlining their illegal practises, you fucking oaf?
Did you mean enterprises?
I didn’t see where anyone asked for a website. I was looking for a link which would support your allegations, ie website, news article, court decision etc. Try to stay focused. I will wait for the links.
I realize that you bought into the Wiz's Synanon program, and then you convinced yourself that you were qualified to treat people as a peer counselor, so I suppose that your credulity knows no bounds. The telling aspect of your last post is your reaction to patently criminal behavior. It's the dead give-away for a deviant piece of garbage who gets off on inflicting himself on the helpless. As always, you can be counted on to pull the cult black-is-white bullshit, as you post anonymously while claiming that I'm afraid.
Whoa, you seem really pissed at someone. Is your wife dictating this to you? You seem to be talking to someone else.
As always, asshole, feel free to register with Fornits and have a user name. Don't be scared fuckwad, nobody's trying to track you down.
Thanks, same with you Ajax, no need to hide, you can reveal yourself at anytime. I think it is good to keep as much as we can out in the open.
Remember that knee-slapper? How about the investigation for crimnal slander that was going to get me? There is fuck-all AARC can do now. You on the other hand, are a few months away from being alumni of the most scandalized organization in this country since the Mount Cashel Orphanage. Good luck with that, shitpile.
Did mean Criminal? Again your wife is going in and out again. Not sure who you are talking to.
Here's your grammar and punctuatio lesson for the day, you quasi-literate dipshit:
Did you mean “punctuation”?
"The student body of Columbine was not a criminal entity, whereas Kids most certainly was." You might notice fuckhead, that there is no apostraphe following Kids. The subject of the phrase is Kids, not Kids' student body. It wasn't a school and didn't have a student body, you ignorant waste of oxygen
Did you mean apostrophe?
Great, so we can conclude that neither the kids in Columbine nor the kids in Kids were criminals. I already knew the answer I just wanted to hear you say it. Thanks
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So I allowed you to back pedal on the one link involving “ kids” so I am willing to let that slide (I was just looking to see your reaction). But the second link I am still expecting. No offense but an observation is you seem to base too many decisions just on gut feel. You should really try to gather more on facts.
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You allowed me to do something, cowardly shitpile? I've been quite straight forward about why I post here and what my involvement is. You, on the other hand, cannot quite bring yourself to do that. Why is it that you don't have a user name? Why is it that you can't even admit what your relationship is to AARC? I realize you're pretty fucking stunned, but it's no secret that culties can be dangerous. It didn't turn out too well for Leo Ryan when he found out what Jonestown was all about. Likewise, when AARC's inspiration cult Synanon began to draw bad publicity they beat the shit out of a few of their neighboring critics. Aum Shin Rikyo didn't have any problem murdering people in the Tokyo subway, moron. The list of cults that have resorted to unlawful means, whether to silence their critics or to fulfill their special destiny, is long. The fact that you implied that it was somehow odd to be afraid of culties belies your stupidity and ignorance. As always, feel free to log in and have a username, chickenshit. You'll be okay, and you can keep your cell phone with you just in case.
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You allowed me to do something, cowardly shitpile? I've been quite straight forward about why I post here and what my involvement is. You, on the other hand, cannot quite bring yourself to do that. Why is it that you don't have a user name?
Interesting that you use the word coward so often while hiding behind an anonymous user name, Ajax13. This must be a sensitive subject for you. I don’t think other fornits posters feel they are cowards why do you?
Why is it that you can't even admit what your relationship is to AARC?
Provide a link where I was ever asked [link placeholder]
I realize you're pretty fucking stunned, but it's no secret that culties can be dangerous. It didn't turn out too well for Leo Ryan when he found out what Jonestown was all about. Likewise, when AARC's inspiration cult Synanon began to draw bad publicity they beat the shit out of a few of their neighboring critics. Aum Shin Rikyo didn't have any problem murdering people in the Tokyo subway, moron.
So whats you point? That everyone that has been in a program is a murderer? Is this a gut feel or another one of your conclusions. Should we call the cops on all of them? Should all survivors be placed in jail so they don’t hurt anyone. Explain what you mean.
The list of cults that have resorted to unlawful means, whether to silence their critics or to fulfill their special destiny, is long. The fact that you implied that it was somehow odd to be afraid of culties belies your stupidity and ignorance.
The list of bankers who have resorted to unlawful means is even longer, yet I am sure you are not afraid to enter a bank, nor open an account.... or are you?
As always, feel free to log in and have a username, chickenshit. You'll be okay, and you can keep your cell phone with you just in case.
Same with you, feel free to come out from hiding behind "Ajax13" anytime lol, not that it really matters to anyone. I could care less who you are, not sure why it is important to you.
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Again, you display a complete inability to make a logical argument. You've compared the student body of Columbine with the criminal organization Kids, and now you're comparing cults to banks. Have you noticed a lot of banks resorting to killing people in order to fulfill their sacred destiny? Can you point out an instance where a bank forced all it's depositors to kill themselves? Fuck are you stupid. It's been quite obvious that you AARColytes do care who I am. That's why you thought it was such a coups to put my name on Fornits. Never underestimate the stupidity of an AARColyte.
What did you say your relationship to AARC was/is? Why is it that you AARColytes can't acknowledge who you are when you post on here? The folks who are going to get AARC closed already know who the current and former employees are, so it's not as if you need to keep your idenity secret. So what are you afraid of? Why don't you explain to anyone else reading this why you are attempting to obscure your relationship to AARC?
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Again, you display a complete inability to make a logical argument. You've compared the student body of Columbine with the criminal organization Kids, and now you're comparing cults to banks. Have you noticed a lot of banks resorting to killing people in order to fulfill their sacred destiny?
No I haven’t and I don’t think many programs do either. You are so desperate it is funny. I am going to misspell a word see if you can find it.
Can you point out an instance where a bank forced all it's depositors to kill themselves?
Can you point out a program where all the survivors were forced to take out high interest loans? lol
Fuck are you stupid.
And you are looking so collegiate!!
It's been quite obvious that you AARColytes do care who I am.
Sorry, I really don’t care. You think highly of yourself, but I could care less who you are.
That's why you thought it was such a coups to put my name on Fornits. Never underestimate the stupidity of an AARColyte.
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What did you say your relationship to AARC was/is?
Didnt say, don’t remember being asked.
Why is it that you AARColytes can't acknowledge who you are when you post on here?
When I meet one I will ask them.
The folks who are going to get AARC closed already know who the current and former employees are, so it's not as if you need to keep your idenity secret. So what are you afraid of?
Of course they do!! I am not afraid of anything. You seem to be the ones running around with secret names... ajax13 etc. I havent met anyone I work with who is afraid to give their name. AARC’s names are open to anyone who wants them. Why are you so afraid Ajax13. Why all the secrecy with you guys? Is it because you know what is coming or because your wifes burden is starting to get to you.
Why don't you explain to anyone else reading this why you are attempting to obscure your relationship to AARC?
Why is it so important? No one has ever asked me. Why not reveal your name? Why all the secrecy? AARC doesn’t use secret names why do you ? What do you have to hide? Why not be open like them?
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What is your relationship to AARC, and why don't you register with this website? I stand behind anything I've posted on this forum, which is why I use the same Username. In this thread alone, some snivelling sack of shit stated that "I'm on a string", one of many gutless vague threats against me from AARColyte fuckwads. Because you are always anonymous, it's impossible to tell which one of you drones is posting. Somebody called me a pedophile, somebody said that the police were investigating me, somebody said I was going to be sued. A particularly gutless puddle of puke insulted my wife and her brother in this forum. One of you brainless creeps said that my internet use was being traced. Another one of you slimy fuckers tried to find my home address. Now there's something coming that I should be afraid of? So many ridiculous threats.
So let's hear it shitbag, what's your relationship to AARC? Like I said, don't be scared. If you are, just keep your cell phone handy. A particularly chickenshit AARColyte once told me that. Here's a piece of advice. Don't put your time as a peer counselor on your CV. That qualification has a very brief shelf-life ahead of it, asshole.
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What is your relationship to AARC, and why don't you register with this website? I stand behind anything I've posted on this forum, which is why I use the same Username. In this thread alone, some snivelling sack of shit stated that "I'm on a string", one of many gutless vague threats against me from AARColyte fuckwads. Because you are always anonymous, it's impossible to tell which one of you drones is posting. Somebody called me a pedophile, somebody said that the police were investigating me, somebody said I was going to be sued. A particularly gutless puddle of puke insulted my wife and her brother in this forum. One of you brainless creeps said that my internet use was being traced. Another one of you slimy fuckers tried to find my home address. Now there's something coming that I should be afraid of? So many ridiculous threats.
So let's hear it shitbag, what's your relationship to AARC? Like I said, don't be scared. If you are, just keep your cell phone handy. A particularly chickenshit AARColyte once told me that. Here's a piece of advice. Don't put your time as a peer counselor on your CV. That qualification has a very brief shelf-life ahead of it, asshole.
Wow,are you uptight. I use the same user name also. I just prefer guest. If you were not such an asshole I would share a lot more with you, but you are intent on calling everyone vulgar names and insulting people, so you can sit in your own crap if you like. You built it not me. I enjoy my everyday life and unlike you I know what is ahead for me. You are delusional and dead set on destroying yourself and your wife. If you would be nicer and more open we could have had a better open dialog. I have nothing to hide, never did. You guys are the ones with the secrecy which is a red flag in my book. I never did trust anyone who hid behind a falsename. Anyone can google me and find out everything they want to know,my life is an open book and I am happy to lead it. How can you trust a bunch of people who choose to hide all the time. no one here has real names yet you accuse others of secrecy and deception. A little strange dont you think? Take off your sun glasses and step out into the sun and start enjoying life a little.
You think you have it figured out but you are not even close. Its all a smokescreen.
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Who are you, and what is your relationship to AARC?
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Who are you, and what is your relationship to AARC?
You first, ajax13. I place my name and what I do out there and you would cower away, as usual. Remember that I have read some of your posts and have good reason not to trust you.
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I hate this thread, it's boring. No offense to anyone posting, but this thread really blows. You guys keep talking in circles. The program was good. No, AARC was bad. You're an asshole. I won't tell you who I am because I don't trust you. Where does this stupid horseshit end, anyway?
Ftr, any Straight-spawned program has got to suck. No doubt in my mind. When the fuck are people gonna wake up to the harm these places do?
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I hate this thread, it's boring. No offense to anyone posting, but this thread really blows. You guys keep talking in circles. The program was good. No, AARC was bad. You're an asshole. I won't tell you who I am because I don't trust you. Where does this stupid horseshit end, anyway?
Ftr, any Straight-spawned program has got to suck. No doubt in my mind. When the fuck are people gonna wake up to the harm these places do?
I have posted in this thread and I dont like it either, it is boring. But, shit, it is important to keep people honest. Its hard enough to get people to believe survivors stories without people like ajax making up conspiracy theries and talking about how over weight the owners are and how they lie about what soccor team they played for. Who cares? It makes everyone here look like idiots and highschool kids who are making fun of each other.
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Interested observers might remember the crazy bitch posting here last summer who kept insisting that AARC employed licensed mental health professionals. This was of course, a lie. They have now however, remedied this situation. Marty Heeg, . . .
YOU absolute moron - nothing has changed / been remedied - same staff, consultants etc. CONTRAY to what you would LOVE TO BELIEVE - AARC doesn't act when you spew BS around while your fragile little head turns in circles LOLOLOLOL
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AARC is in deep shit, and they know it. That's why, after years they suddenly began listing the consulting professionals such as Choda on their organization page. This development has only taken place in the last few months, in spite of the fact that Choda has been wetting his beak in the AARC trough for years and years. Likewise the degenerate old Dr. Stanhopeless. AARC is going to have to explain how they charge $50 000 to have people like Andy Evans and the three stooges Natalie Oldcomer, Lyin' Brian Campbell, and Gonewaydown Brown oversee Synanon group attacks on helpless teenagers.
It is also a new development for AARC to try to spin the fact that the Wiz stole the entire AARC program from Kids. AARC is now lying about it's real link to Kids.
Let's see how believable this story is:
"Dean Vause worked at Kids, but thought it was really bad. No, I don't know why he was there for months and months. No, I can't explain why a real Social Worker like Sandi Levy Barbero left after four days and alerted the authorities. No, I don't know why Vause stayed for so long in spite of the fact that it was immediately apparent that Kids was a fundamentally lawless and very harmful enterprise."
"RK Dougan and Jim Dinning visited Kids and also thought it was really bad. They wanted a completely different approach to treating adolescent addiction. No, I can't explain how Dougan's organization, the Rotary Club, gave $600 000 to open Kids of the Canadian West after Dougan returned from Kids. No, I don't know how to explain why the Alberta Government also gave $600 000 to Kids of the Canadian West after Dinning returned from New Jersey."
"No, I can't explain why Kids was still fighting for a license in Alberta one year after Dinning and Dougan returned from Kids."
"No, I can't explain why anyone chose to hire Dean Vause when he was not a psychologist, nor a medical doctor, and had been involved with Miller Newton and Kids."
"No, I don't know why so many people involved with Kids ended up involved with AARC."
"No, I don't know what qualified Dean Vause to run AARC. Yes, I know that he was a phys ed teacher and school guidance counselor prior to opening AARC. Yes, I know that he obtained his PhD several years after opening AARC."
"No, I don't know why anyone claimed that AARC was unique or a novel form of treatment. Yes, I know that the raps, the program verncacular, the use of host homes, the use of peer counselors, and many other aspects of AARC's program were identical to Kids and Straight."
"No, I don't know why it costs $50 000 per year to keep a person in AARC. Yes, I know that the residential costs are shifted onto the families who are already paying the client fees. Yes, I know that the staff is composed of Peer Counselors and the unlicensed former Peer Counselors who have become clinicals. No, I don't know what the money is used for if not for professional staff and services."
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The 50,000 question I can answer. AARC doesnt set the price, the people do. It is simple supply and demand. If they charged $1,000 a person they would have a line up the street. If they charged $100,000 a person very few would sign up. Right now $50,000 is enough to keep it to capacity. If the economy tanks it may drop off to $40,000. In better times it may increase to $60,000. All depends on how much people are willing to pay year to year.
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AARC is in deep shit, and they know it.
And you know this because you have crystal ball? the only 'shite stinkin is yer own buddy' !
That's why, after years they suddenly began listing the consulting professionals such as Choda on their organization page.
oh, oh oh, let me get this stright - they should really apologize to YOU???? because they didn't put focus on IT and webpage development. Of course you would know where they should put their foucs . . . roflmao. The world rotates around Greg elliot and what he thinks is right and just . . how the rig pig with a poli sci degree who knows more thatn professionals in their area should run a treatment centre . . oh we all should bow dowen before the expert, AJAX13 the caped . .fool roflmao again . . .
anyway lets continue through your drivel . .
This development has only taken place in the last few months, in spite of the fact that Choda has been wetting his beak in the AARC trough for years and years.
es and that in in your mind and perception only, you do realize . . . not likely but what the hell just pointing out THE FACTS
Likewise the degenerate old Dr. Stanhopeless. AARC is going to have to explain how they charge $50 000 to have people like Andy Evans and the three stooges Natalie Oldcomer, Lyin' Brian Campbell, and Gonewaydown Brown oversee Synanon group attacks on helpless teenagers.
Everyone associated eith AARC is so below you aren't they. They should really get a ife, adopt a sick GF, study the dictionary and spend you life trying to take down a person (Vause) and institution (AARC) because you think you know everything about it. roflmao . . but lets continue through the drivel for fun and amusment hehe
It is also a new development for AARC to try to spin the fact that the Wiz stole the entire AARC program from Kids. AARC is now lying about it's real link to Kids.
REally!! how so MR smarty pants elliot
Let's see how believable this story is:
trust it won't be because you haven't a clue roflmao some more
"Dean Vause worked at Kids, but thought it was really bad. No, I don't know why he was there for months and months.
And Mr.brian-the-size-of-lentil read these details in "the funny paper"s, which he likes to refer Josh Penner to all the time!!
REad on for more non-factual information and if you are real astute you will buy into like others have. . . not people that actually count but their are those wholike to be conned to belie GE et.al.
No, I can't explain why a real Social Worker like Sandi Levy Barbero left after four days and alerted the authorities. No, I don't know why Vause stayed for so long in spite of the fact that it was immediately apparent that Kids was a fundamentally lawless and very harmful enterprise."
"RK Dougan and Jim Dinning visited Kids and also thought it was really bad. They wanted a completely different approach to treating adolescent addiction. No, I can't explain how Dougan's organization, the Rotary Club, gave $600 000 to open Kids of the Canadian West after Dougan returned from Kids. No, I don't know how to explain why the Alberta Government also gave $600 000 to Kids of the Canadian West after Dinning returned from New Jersey."
"No, I can't explain why Kids was still fighting for a license in Alberta one year after Dinning and Dougan returned from Kids."
"No, I can't explain why anyone chose to hire Dean Vause when he was not a psychologist, nor a medical doctor, and had been involved with Miller Newton and Kids."
"No, I don't know why so many people involved with Kids ended up involved with AARC."
"No, I don't know what qualified Dean Vause to run AARC. Yes, I know that he was a phys ed teacher and school guidance counselor prior to opening AARC. Yes, I know that he obtained his PhD several years after opening AARC."
"No, I don't know why anyone claimed that AARC was unique or a novel form of treatment. Yes, I know that the raps, the program verncacular, the use of host homes, the use of peer counselors, and many other aspects of AARC's program were identical to Kids and Straight."
"No, I don't know why it costs $50 000 per year to keep a person in AARC. Yes, I know that the residential costs are shifted onto the families who are already paying the client fees. Yes, I know that the staff is composed of Peer Counselors and the unlicensed former Peer Counselors who have become clinicals. No, I don't know what the money is used for if not for professional staff and services.
Sorry to inform you - your sources are lacking in facts but keep singing your songs . . it is obvious you will continue incessantly. when you hit 60-70 yrrs old are ya still going to be harping. Incidentally, I was talking to Vause lately and he sure enjoys his family and friends and his life. Also, one of largest reasons I would never believe what you have to say is because you are certain and try to protray Vause as someone who is all about the money and/or power or notoriety. Those things ARE the FURTHEST things from the trth of what motivates. Helping kids and families has ALWAYS been his motivator, hence he has an awesome family and MANY friends and supporters. Can you say the same for yourself??
PS andthe bit about him not playing top level junior hockey rates as truly the most hilarious so-called fact you like to trot out . . thanks for the belly laugh, Laughing is so good for a person.
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$50 000 is not a price set by the market. AARC does not charge a fee that is met by market demand. AARC takes in most of it's funds from charity donations and government grants. The marks who pay are told that $50 000 is the rate, but it is not a consumer decision to pay this amount.
You seem to know who I am, but I have no idea which of the deranged sad-sack dupes you are. By all means, feel free to tell me your name and what your connection is to AARC. I realize that when you've been a supporter or employee of a cult that stole millions of dollars from charities, the government and naive parents, you're probably a little nervous about revealing yourself, but it's okay. When everybody runs for cover they'll have to pin it all on the Wiz, and you'll be okay.
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No, "you" do not understand. AARC does not set the rate, the consumer does. If what you say is true they could ask $1,000,000 per person and get rich even quicker. But no one would pay that so the price is set at an amount that the consumer is willing to pay, no more no less.
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No, sadly, charities and government delivering millions of dollars in lump sums are not consumers choosing to pay for services. The Wiz and minions derive a figure, in this case a day rate of $150. The client families do not make a decision to pay this rate and then provide the funds. Rather, the Wiz simply presents this figure as justification for the slush he receives. The notion that individual consumers choose to pay $150 per day to have their children subjected to the bizarre blandishments of the likes of AARC peer counselors is so far removed from reality as to hardly bear consideration.
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No, "you" do not understand. AARC does not set the rate, the consumer does. If what you say is true they could ask $1,000,000 per person and get rich even quicker. But no one would pay that so the price is set at an amount that the consumer is willing to pay, no more no less.
If they had the same set up in the states it would be much more. I think they can get by on that amount because they are in Canada.
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Since the Canadian dollar is valued lower than the American dollar, it makes no sense to say that it would cost more in the United States. $40 975 is the US$ value of $50 000 CDN. This is signifigantly more than PFC, a virtually identical program to AARC, charges. Like AARC however, PFC day rates do not reflect a nexus of supply and demand. PFC amassed funds at a much higher rate than the rate at which client services grew. The stated fee amounts reflect only what the programs feel they can get away with. AARC, a renamed Kids franchise, and PFC, a renamed Straight franchise, both exist to amass funds. The dispensing of monies for client services is only incidental, and not a determining factor in the money taken in. AARC, or All About Receiving Cash, and PFC, Purely For Cash, rip off as much as they can get. .
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One reason AARC has been successful in their fund raising (and government funding) has been their ability to keep their costs low and still be able to demonstrate a high rate of effectiveness and success.
http://http://www.drug-alcohol-rehabs.org/drug-rehab-cost.html
From the National Substance Abuse Treatment Services Survey (N-SATSS), the average cost for inpatient programs was about $7,000 per month. Since more than 30 days produces a higher recovery rate, the cost of drug rehab can easily go between $10,000 and $40,000. While it may not be easy for many people to just write a check for that amount, you have to consider all that goes into getting you or your loved one well again, and be thankful it's not as expensive as hospital stays (which can run $2,000 per day).
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One reason AARC has been successful in their fund raising (and government funding) has been their ability to keep their costs low and still be able to demonstrate a high rate of effectiveness and success.
http://http://www.drug-alcohol-rehabs.org/drug-rehab-cost.html
From the National Substance Abuse Treatment Services Survey (N-SATSS), the average cost for inpatient programs was about $7,000 per month. Since more than 30 days produces a higher recovery rate, the cost of drug rehab can easily go between $10,000 and $40,000. While it may not be easy for many people to just write a check for that amount, you have to consider all that goes into getting you or your loved one well again, and be thankful it's not as expensive as hospital stays (which can run $2,000 per day).
How did they show High effectiveness?
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One reason AARC has been successful in their fund raising (and government funding) has been their ability to keep their costs low and still be able to demonstrate a high rate of effectiveness and success.
http://http://www.drug-alcohol-rehabs.org/drug-rehab-cost.html
From the National Substance Abuse Treatment Services Survey (N-SATSS), the average cost for inpatient programs was about $7,000 per month. Since more than 30 days produces a higher recovery rate, the cost of drug rehab can easily go between $10,000 and $40,000. While it may not be easy for many people to just write a check for that amount, you have to consider all that goes into getting you or your loved one well again, and be thankful it's not as expensive as hospital stays (which can run $2,000 per day).
How did they show High effectiveness?
I always thought AARC was around 60% effective like all the other places. But a few months back Ajax showed us a study where they measured it out to be 85 – 90% still clean after 4 years or something like that. All as I know is it was really high. The original study was released to the public. Maybe Ajax13 will re post it again.
That combined with their low cost is probably why they receive so much in donations and government money, as ajax pointed out earlier.
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You seem to know who I am, but I have no idea which of the deranged sad-sack dupes you are.
uhm . . . . you and your sick 'partner' have provided extensive details of who you both are on this site and elsewhere. you have also id'd and made many desparaging remarks about any person affliated and remotely affliated with AARC or anyone that you have written to about AARC. no one has escaped your petty childish rants and the misfit type judgments you like to extoll. YEs, your identity and views have been well laid out for all to read and yes it is obvious you want people to know who you are. So, what is the problem Greg? who i am is really inconsequential isn't it. you refuse to accept facts, make all your own warped interpretations of reality about AARC and keep asserting that you will single-handedly take AARC down and/or are in the process of that. If in fact AARC had antyhing to worry about and you were able to snag a journalist - I am sure Vause would like a less labour intensive lifestyle. You just can't accept that the fact of the matter is that he is anything BUT a psychopath, liar or dictator. He is a hard-working dedicated person that cares deeply about contributing in society and has been irregardless of what your deranged little group of whiners want to portray.
So, about other things - you really need to grow up at some point in your life, this is the typical crap you spew deranged sad-sack dupes
Your poor son. I hope his mother has the greater amount of custody time with the poor kid :clown: . Exposure to you and SLF is dangerous and he may have a chance if the other parent gets more time with him. However, you have already proved a clear lack of judgement when selecting GFs . . . . so strike the last comment - the kid hasn't a fair chance and will likely be as useless as you have been described by your SLF to be - only going by what CL wrote on you on Fornits not any conjecture, Greg buddy.
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I don't know whether the Wiz would like a less labor intensive lifestyle. It takes work to manipulate people in order to defraud charities and government agencies, along with vulnerable parents. If leisure time was what the Wiz wanted, he shouldn't have set up a cult posing as a treatment centre. Life is full of hard choices. Parents who chose to give their children and their money to a cult like AARC have to live with those choices. Likewise, people who were given to AARC as kids and decided to perpetuate the abuse by working in AARC also have to live with their choices. I feel fortunate to have been neither a parent who sold out their child by giving him to a deviant con artist like the Wiz, nor a blindly obedient follower of such a deviant like the staff at AARC.
Truly, I am blessed.
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This has been a good thread, so AARC is more legitimate than I thought. I always viewed them as a hole in the wall place that over charged people and abused kids. But someone (I think it was ajax) brought to light that they are recognized by and getting money from charities and various government agencies? Is this really true? Taking money from government agencies and charities opens them up to public exposure so they must be on the up and up somewhat more than I thought. If they were shady they would be taking only private funding to avoid having to open their books.
Does anyone have the study that was talked about earlier? AARC might be getting a bad rap here. Anyone else?
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Odd that it would be new information to a poster who knew even the first thing about AARC that All About Receiving Cash receives most of it's funding from charities and government grants. After all, it has no license for it's treatment centre. The only license it has is as a charity. It would be very strange indeed if AARC did not receive charity money, since it's only official oversight is as a registered charity. As far as providing psychological treatment though to vulnerable adolescents, no license, no professional staff. As AARC is simply a coerced entry into AA, which is free, one would logically think that AARC would be, like AA, free. In fact, for AARC to charge anything to the client families, who provide the residential facilities so that AARC can avoid having to meet the criteria of a residential program and also pay the residential costs, is very strange. Why does AARC in fact charge anything? They received $1 200 000 twenty years ago. That should have gone a long way to paying for the old warehouse on Forge Rd. So again, since AARC employs the three amateur stooges and amateur peer counselors to oversee the groups, where does all that money go? There are of course, no doctors on staff, nor psychologists. Just a few consultants, such as Dr. GoldenarmStanhopeless and Pete Choda. So again, one is left asking where does all the money go? One clue may be the number of lawyers AARC regularly offers up as a threat against those who disagree with their $50 000 AA program and the amateur jailing system of Newcomers that accompanies it.
The folks behind AARC have known all along that AARC was set up directly to avoid complying with any legal standards for facilities providing medical treatment, and that eventually the charade would end up in court.
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.... it's funding from charities and government grants.
Exactly
it has no license for it's treatment centre. The only license it has is as a charity.
Why should they apply for a license that they don’t need?
Why does AARC in fact charge anything?
The funding from the government and charities do not cover all their costs
They received $1 200 000 twenty years ago. That should have gone a long way to paying for the old warehouse on Forge Rd. So again, since AARC employs the three amateur stooges and amateur peer counselors to oversee the groups, where does all that money go? There are of course, no doctors on staff, nor psychologists. Just a few consultants, such as Dr. GoldenarmStanhopeless and Pete Choda. So again, one is left asking where does all the money go? One clue may be the number of lawyers AARC regularly offers up as a threat against those who disagree with their $50 000 AA program and the amateur jailing system of Newcomers that accompanies it.
Hospital costs run about $2,000 a day.
Residential treatment averages $230 - $260 per day.
AARC averages $136 per day.
If I were to start looking any place it would be at the hospital costs and where all that money goes. AARC is the most efficient of the 3 and has done a good job keeping its costs down. You mentioned at the top of the page that they are listing their professionals on their web page and your report showed an 85 % recovery rate after 4 years. So AARC delvers more for the lowest cost.
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It is counterintuitive to compare time in All About Receiving Cash to a hospital stay. Hospitals provide treatment from medical professionals in a setting that is the result of many years of research and development by medical pracitioners and academics. AARC is a renamed cult with a program borrowed from Synanon. The program at Synanon was devised by a former stand-up comedian. As stated previously, AARC is a $50 000 forced entry into AA. Why then, is AARC not free, as is AA?
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It is counterintuitive to compare time in All About Receiving Cash to a hospital stay. Hospitals provide treatment from medical professionals in a setting that is the result of many years of research and development by medical pracitioners and academics. AARC is a renamed cult with a program borrowed from Synanon. The program at Synanon was devised by a former stand-up comedian. As stated previously, AARC is a $50 000 forced entry into AA. Why then, is AARC not free, as is AA?
Because people are willing to pay for the treatment. If AA could show an 85 - 90% recovery rate after 4 years they would have their hand out too. If AARC can get 50,000 or 100,000 for their work why shouldnt they if people are willing to pay?
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People have never been willing to pay AARC. AARC has been soliciting funds via MLAs since it's inception. AARC exists on government slush and charity money. After AARC's initial rip-off of $1 200 000 when it was still called Kids of the Canadian West, AARC was cut off from the government teat. Hacks such as Denis Herard, Diane Mirosh, Ron Stevens and Paddy Meade have since reversed that trend, turning on the government money taps with no accountability. Again, why is AARC not free since it simply a coerced AA program?
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It is counterintuitive to compare time in All About Receiving Cash to a hospital stay. Hospitals provide treatment from medical professionals in a setting that is the result of many years of research and development by medical pracitioners and academics. AARC is a renamed cult with a program borrowed from Synanon. The program at Synanon was devised by a former stand-up comedian. As stated previously, AARC is a $50 000 forced entry into AA. Why then, is AARC not free, as is AA?
Because people are willing to pay for the treatment. If AA could show an 85 - 90% recovery rate after 4 years they would have their hand out too. If AARC can get 50,000 or 100,000 for their work why shouldnt they if people are willing to pay?
I see your point but I think it goes beyond just willing to pay. There needs to be some type of success or results. If AA charged $20 for each meeting I would doubt they would have many attend. This is an interesting point, if there are no results then no one is going to pay for it. I never thought of it that way before. I havent seen AA publish any success rates. Does anyone have anything from them?
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I think you may be missing the point. Government agencies and charities are not going to give money to anyone without seeing some type of effectiveness. AA is free because at best they can only show a 5% success rate. A 5% success rate is nothing more than the rate of spontaneous remission in alcoholics and drug addicts. AARC is able to show an 85 – 90% success rate. It goes beyond just a willingness to pay. It helps to legitimate AARC’s model by showing they receive government support and charity donations.
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The enforced societal model is flawed; sex and drugs are not evil, period.
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I never realized AARC was this successful. I thought they were more like an AA , who charged a lot of money. So the government lends support to them also? The government subsidize is probably what mainly keeps their costs so low.
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As the AARC staff is composed of peer counselors, who are complete amateurs, and a clinical staff composed of three unlicensed former peer counselors, the money does not go to pay a qualified staff. Where does the money go?
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As the AARC staff is composed of peer counselors, who are complete amateurs, and a clinical staff composed of three unlicensed former peer counselors, the money does not go to pay a qualified staff. Where does the money go?
Beer parties!! trips to the islands!! Who cares? Where does anyones money go? Where does $2,000 a day that hospitals charge go to? aspirin?
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I may be wrong, but I suspect that the donors and the Government agencies giving millions of dollars to AARC might care where the money given to AARC goes. Hospitals are equipped with expensive medical equipment, and use medical supplies. Additionally they pay a staff composed of nurses and doctors. That's where the money goes in a hospital. Any AARColytes care to try to explain where the money that pours into AARC ends up?
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I may be wrong, but I suspect that the donors and the Government agencies giving millions of dollars to AARC might care where the money given to AARC goes. Hospitals are equipped with expensive medical equipment, and use medical supplies. Additionally they pay a staff composed of nurses and doctors. That's where the money goes in a hospital. Any AARColytes care to try to explain where the money that pours into AARC ends up?
Exactly, Govwenment agencies and charaties are not going to give money away without knowing where it is going. All the equipment that hospitals have add to the 2,000 a day. AARC can accomplish a 85-90% success rate on a fraction of the cost. I believe that is why they are attractive to government and charaties
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AARC was never attractive to the government. Dinning arranged for the initial $600 000 for AARC when it was still called Kids of the Canadian West, but once word got out that it was really just a cult with no basis in established scientific medical theory, the government funds were cut off. AARC began to receive money in earnest from the government after Paddy Meade took over at AADAC. There was of course no way for Health and Wellness to directly fund a religious institution posing as a treatment centre, so the money was funnelled from H and W to AADAC and delivered to AARC in slush piles, rather than as payment for treatment services, since there are no such services provided at AARC.
AARC has had to repeatedly lie about their regimen, claiming that it is clinically proven, when in fact, it is completely disproven. The ridiculously pseudo-scientific practise of dismantling the identity of AARC victims and replacing it with the identity of the addict has been abandoned all across North America, with the exception of the Straight-descended rip-offs like AARC.
In order to secure any monies, the Wiz has lied for years and years, claiming to be a psychologist when he is in fact a phys ed teacher and guidance counselor. In order to appeal to any source of funding AARC has had to resort to propagating a body of lies, beginning with denial of the fact that AARC is simply Kids with a new name. Add to that the Executive Director's lie about being a mental health professional. Couple that with the lie that AARC uses a clinically proven and tested treatment method, and add in the zealotry of parents who sold out their kids, choosing instead to exist in a permanent state of cognitive disonnance, and you have the recipe for the AARC fraud machine.
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The only catch is that fraud would have to come off the table. Organizations which donate large sums of money keep a close eye on the books. This especially true with government support money. If AARC was being kept afloat thru private funding I would be a little weary myself, but the fact that several organizations are supporting it with donor money and public tax money lends a great deal to their credibility.
You would have to go a long way to prove fraud and then still have their public service money and private donors not pull out. I believe someone has been feeding you some falsehoods my friend.
I am sure they are not squeeky clean, but they are far from fraudulent or the money would dry up, that simple.
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AARC's money will dry up, as did it's parent organization Kids, once the rip-off becomes public. The fact that they haven't been caught is not a particularly logical reason to deny the entirely fraudulent nature of the organization. They lied to get money, the lies have not been publicly proven, they still get money. In the future, the fraudulent nature of the organization will be public knowledge, ergo no more money. Here's a fairly simple explanation.
They got some money and got caught trying to sell a religious cult as a treatment program, so they lost their supply of govenrnment money.
They lied about what they do, changed their name, and allowed the cult Leader to perpetuate lies about who he was. This allowed them to turn on the supply of charitable donations and maintain a supply of client user fees as well.
Using a particularly ambitious bureaucratic hack, Paddy Meade, who was able to parlay her control of AADAC money into career advancement, AARC gained access to that AADAC money. The average tax-payer or charitable donor has no idea that AARC is simply a renamed cult brought to Canada by Dinning, Dookie and Dean-o. It has been sold, falsely, as a scientifically based treatment program. As stated previously, AARC has used a wide array of lies to get access to money by gaining access to the few individuals who control the pursetrings. This includes Paddy Meade, Jim Dinning, Norm Haines, and Dr. Dookie.
Once the true nature of AARC becomes public knowledge, that will spell the end for AARC's rampant theft of charitable and tax-payer generated funding.
At AARC, everything's legal as long as you don't get caught.
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Mr. Ajax13, I have been following this conversation and I believe that someone has been pulling your leg. If you even get caught putting false information on a student loan from the government they are going to do more than just stop giving you money. It will be a very big deal and you will have to repay it. If it was $600,000 you would go to jail and there would be a public outcry. Plus they check all back ground information. You can not say you are a doctor when you are not. It is very easy to check. You seem very naive, Ajax, why is someone telling you this and more importantly why would you fall for all of this?
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Mr. Ajax13, I have been following this conversation and I believe that someone has been pulling your leg. If you even get caught putting false information on a student loan from the government they are going to do more than just stop giving you money. It will be a very big deal and you will have to repay it. If it was $600,000 you would go to jail and there would be a public outcry. Plus they check all back ground information. You can not say you are a doctor when you are not. It is very easy to check. You seem very naive, Ajax, why is someone telling you this and more importantly why would you fall for all of this?
Guest, I really wouldnt take what ajax says literally. He thinks they are all crooks becaue he had a girlfriend or wife who went there and she still drinks so it didnt work for her. Who else is he to blame? You might feel the same way in his circumstances.
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AARC was never attractive to the government. Dinning arranged for the initial $600 000 for AARC when it was still called Kids of the Canadian West, but once word got out that it was really just a cult with no basis in established scientific medical theory, the government funds were cut off. AARC began to receive money in earnest from the government after Paddy Meade took over at AADAC. There was of course no way for Health and Wellness to directly fund a religious institution posing as a treatment centre, so the money was funnelled from H and W to AADAC and delivered to AARC in slush piles, rather than as payment for treatment services, since there are no such services provided at AARC.
AARC has had to repeatedly lie about their regimen, claiming that it is clinically proven, when in fact, it is completely disproven. The ridiculously pseudo-scientific practise of dismantling the identity of AARC victims and replacing it with the identity of the addict has been abandoned all across North America, with the exception of the Straight-descended rip-offs like AARC.
In order to secure any monies, the Wiz has lied for years and years, claiming to be a psychologist when he is in fact a phys ed teacher and guidance counselor. In order to appeal to any source of funding AARC has had to resort to propagating a body of lies, beginning with denial of the fact that AARC is simply Kids with a new name. Add to that the Executive Director's lie about being a mental health professional. Couple that with the lie that AARC uses a clinically proven and tested treatment method, and add in the zealotry of parents who sold out their kids, choosing instead to exist in a permanent state of cognitive disonnance, and you have the recipe for the AARC fraud machine.
Ajax, have you forwarded your information discoveries to the appropriate governing bodies and perhaps journalists? I don't know the background of your advocacy, but I hope you are going beyond posting on fornits because that unfortunately accomplishes little.
Could you tell me about the responses from these bodies and media?
I am a survivor of an organization I believe is a straight outcropping.
I am a survivor of an organizatin I beleive is a stragiht outcropping.
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If you're a survivor of a Straight-descended cult, I suggest that you contact your elected representatives if you have a complaint.
Any AARColytes unfamiliar with misappropriations of government funds might want to look into the fall of the Liberal Government in Canada. The idea that it is impossible to defraud the government is so ludicrous, it begs the question as to whether you are really that stupid and ignorant, or if you are pulling everyone's leg. So here's the question, AARColyte:
Are you really so stupid that you would honestly state that the government cannot be defrauded since they perform background checks on student loans? Please, for the sake of humanity, tell us that you're only joking and that you aren't that stunned.
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Guest, these claims have been brought up numerous times over the years. Most are just made up by ajax who claims employees said they played ice hockey when they didn’t or have wives who are overweight. Why this upsets him is unclear. Now he claims they are defrauding the government, but he is the only one aware of it. The government wont listen to him anymore so he comes on fornits to tell his stories. He really believes he knows more than the government so he will stay the course. I believe his intentions are good because he is standing up for his girlfriend who doesn’t seemed to have got better, sometimes this is the only way to burn off the anger of failure
It takes several years to purge themselves before they can move on, so every couple of weeks we go thru the same exercise here with ajax and a few others.
These exercises have not been futile. They have resulted in some great conversations and studies on AARC which showed a 85-90% success rate which we never knew before Ajax brought the studies in here to review. Ajax informs us when certain employees get certified or degreed, AARC works closely with the government and local charities etc. so there is some good history being developed.
This latest go around revealed that the government (and various charities) has access to AARC’s books, so the probability of fraud is slim and Ajax has never been able to provide any evidence to the contrary.
Before reading here on fornits with Ajax I always thought AARC was more or less like AA who also over charged people and were basically ineffective. But these exercises have proved otherwise. Getting all the facts out into the open is always good and these discussion help to do that.
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As anyone reading here is welcome to decide for themselves whether or not they feel that what AARC is doing is fraud can decide for themselves.
AARC is a religious institution that claims to be able to treat a brain disease. The employees who provide the bulk of what AARC calls treatment are Peer Counselors. These are former clients who have undergone an AARC training course. They are not medical professionals, nor mental health professionals. These people are overseen by the Clinicals. These people consist of the Wiz, a phys ed teacher and guidance counselor; Natalie Imbach, a former client who has a degree in marriage and family counselling, likewise Gonewaydown Brown; Lyin' Bryan Campbell has a BA from the diploma mill that awarded the Wiz his PhD, along with Miller Newton's two Phds, and has provided many testimonials to back up Kids and AARC. None of these clinicals is a licensed medical professional nor mental health worker.
Is it a fraud for these people to claim to be treating a brain disease by forcing people to acknowledge that they have a disease which controls their actions, and that they only way they can control the disease is to relenquish themselves to a higher power. The treatment also involves praying, and an array of rituals revolving around the use of music. Another aspect of treating this brain disease is to isolate the new clients from their family and friends. All this for $150 a day that does not include residential costs.
Does that sound like fraud to you?
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You always talk about degrees not being adequate or the place not having the proper licenses etc. But you never cite the requirements. Which licenses are they lacking and where is the order from the government to get the license? Which degrees are required and where is this written down. You say $150 a day is too much but you never cite the cost you believe it should be.
The consumers dictate the cost, always has always will. If they charged $100,000 a day no one would show up. If they charged $10 a day there would be a line up the street. $150 is what people are willing to pay AARC doesn’t set the price. Residential in the US is about $250.. hospitals are about $2,000 a day.
You are just blowing off steam, Ajax. I know that if they lowered their cost to suit you (say $90 a day, $30 a day) you would still not be happy, you would still bitch about something. But its all good. It gets it all out in the open which is always a good thing. Until you brought all this up I never knew AARC was $100 a day cheaper than residential treatment in the US.
Its all good stuff, its information. The more the better.
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hi,
Actually, guest, aa does not charge people for their services.
Also, AARC has never produced any studies that have scientific validity.
Ajax, could you tell me what action, if any, the govt. or media has taken in response to evident fraud and impropriety at the AARC, and to the accounts of torture, imprisonment and brainwashing from former captives?
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hi,
Actually, guest, aa does not charge people for their services.
Thats nice, they cant be all that bad then LOL.
Also, AARC has never produced any studies that have scientific validity.
I am aware of the lack of studies in general thoughout the industry. I was referring to a study Ajax referenced. Which showed an 85-90% success rate after 4 years, if I recall properly. This was several months ago I think. I haven’t seen any showing they are ineffective. Its important to try to look at as much information as possible (good and bad)
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There is a standard response from government officials connected to AARC, specifically, Stevens, Meade and Forsyth. These people simply advise that one contacts the Child Abuse Emergency Hotline. Government officials not connected to AARC have so far proven to be dismayed, most having no knowledge of the program whatsoever. Health Minister Leipert has currently refused to respond to any inquiries. The last account of a former prisoner complaining about AARC brought a response from Calgary Police Services that is vastly different than the CPS response in the past. CPS is now famliar with AARC, and they know something is up. In the past they did not take complaints seriously, but that is no longer the case.
I fail to see why the previous poster keeps claiming that the payment of AARC's $150 a day fees is a consumer decision. AARC generates most of it's money from charitable donations. These donors have no idea that they are giving money to a cult run by a phys ed teacher posing as a psychologist. In addition to the charity money, AARC also receives money from the Provincial Government, this money is also obtained through a series of deceptions and political manipulations. A small fraction of the AARC clientele pay $150 of their own money per day. Most of the money is generated by manipulating a few individuals.
As to treatment in the states, AARC costs much more than the identical Straight rip-off clones in the States. PFC is the same Straight program, right down to the Peer Counselors and Host homes, but even PFC, which is on life-support as we speak, charges half what AARC does.
Again, I put it to anyone reading to make the determination for themselves: Does an institution claiming to treat a brain disease require regulatory oversight in the form of a licensing criteria?
Does such an institution require licensed professional medical staff to perform said treatment?
Is it fraud if this treatment consists of prayer, and confessions and the entire process is overseen by a phys ed teacher and a bunch of his followers?
As free individuals, any of us can determine whether or not we feel that this is fraud.
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As to treatment in the states, AARC costs much more than the identical Straight rip-off clones in the States. PFC is the same Straight program, right down to the Peer Counselors and Host homes, but even PFC, which is on life-support as we speak, charges half what AARC does.
They are only getting half because that is all people are willing to pay there. Dont you think they would like to get $150 a day? If people were willing to pay more don’t you think PFC would accept it? I would guess they would jump at the chance.
Again, I put it to anyone reading to make the determination for themselves: Does an institution claiming to treat a brain disease require regulatory oversight in the form of a licensing criteria?
So from your question it sounds like they are not required to be regulated. But it seems you would like them to be licensed. This is much better Ajax. If people feel they should be licensed then they should fight for it and have laws enacted. But you cant blame AARC for not being licensed when there is no requirement.
Does such an institution require licensed professional medical staff to perform said treatment?
If the people or their government pass laws requiring this then we can all approach AARC and let them know they need to apply for a license. But until then there is no requirement. I wouldn’t expect anyone to run around getting licenses if are not required to.
Is it fraud if this treatment consists of prayer, and confessions and the entire process is overseen by a phys ed teacher and a bunch of his followers?
Until the requirements are defined then this is not fraud, Ajax. It is your opinion. One person may feel they all need Phd’s others might think a masters degree is enough. Others may feel a gym teachers and singing coach is enough. When ever there are questions you need to go back and look at the requirements and right now they meet what the law requires.
As free individuals, any of us can determine whether or not we feel that this is fraud.
This is true, each of us can decide for ourselves whether we want our loved ones attending. If we want these decisions to apply to people outside our families we need to establish laws and guidelines.
Ajax, that was a very clear post. Some of your past posts were confusing. You were mixing fact with your own opinions which made it hard to follow. Personally I always like to see some type of license to be required when people are being treated. So I would side with you and vote for that.
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There is a standard response from government officials connected to AARC, specifically, Stevens, Meade and Forsyth. These people simply advise that one contacts the Child Abuse Emergency Hotline. Government officials not connected to AARC have so far proven to be dismayed, most having no knowledge of the program whatsoever. Health Minister Leipert has currently refused to respond to any inquiries. The last account of a former prisoner complaining about AARC brought a response from Calgary Police Services that is vastly different than the CPS response in the past. CPS is now famliar with AARC, and they know something is up. In the past they did not take complaints seriously, but that is no longer the case.
I fail to see why the previous poster keeps claiming that the payment of AARC's $150 a day fees is a consumer decision. AARC generates most of it's money from charitable donations. These donors have no idea that they are giving money to a cult run by a phys ed teacher posing as a psychologist. In addition to the charity money, AARC also receives money from the Provincial Government, this money is also obtained through a series of deceptions and political manipulations. A small fraction of the AARC clientele pay $150 of their own money per day. Most of the money is generated by manipulating a few individuals.
As to treatment in the states, AARC costs much more than the identical Straight rip-off clones in the States. PFC is the same Straight program, right down to the Peer Counselors and Host homes, but even PFC, which is on life-support as we speak, charges half what AARC does.
Again, I put it to anyone reading to make the determination for themselves: Does an institution claiming to treat a brain disease require regulatory oversight in the form of a licensing criteria?
Does such an institution require licensed professional medical staff to perform said treatment?
Is it fraud if this treatment consists of prayer, and confessions and the entire process is overseen by a phys ed teacher and a bunch of his followers?
As free individuals, any of us can determine whether or not we feel that this is fraud.
Why do the police not prosecute the AARC for torture of the former clients who have come foward?
What is their explanation for that?
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This isn't complicated. Is it fraudulent for a phys ed teacher to pass himself off as a psychologist, and to have the followers of his religious organization take money from the parents of clients, the government and charity groups while claiming to treat a brain disease with confessions and prayer? The law is very clear as to who can perform Restricted Acts in Alberta, and AARC's treatment claims appear to constitute a Restricted Act. The Peer and Clinical Staff are definitely not legally entitled to perform Restricted Acts. Are they breaking the law or not?
As to AARC fees, again, this can't be made any simpler. The Client base does not pay $150 a day. That is the money AARC claims as a rate in order to justify taking millions in charitable donations and tax-payer money. The money AARC receives, it receives by lying about who they are and what they do. Always have.
The Police do not prosecute anyone. The Crown has to prosecute, and Gary Wong is firmly ensconced in the AARC web of political patronage. Don't expect any prosecutions in the immediate future.
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There are plenty of professionals who wear multiple hats especially in smaller institutions. The gym teacher can also be the schools psychologist. If you knew someone specifically that is breaking the law just make a call. They can check his/her record in the database and clear it up in a matter of hours. Once they are exposed they will be out the same day. Personally I think someone is pulling your chain and you are buying into it.
As far as curing brain disease with prayer and singing…. If it works who cares? People claim to solve cigarette addiction with acupuncture and others with hypnosis. If they can measure a decent success rate then let them do it.
As far as the rate is concerned. If you think they should be able to get by on less than $150 a day then you should try to make your case. Take a look at the expenses, compare it to other programs, try to determine what the treatment is worth in various other cities and then compare it to AARC. This may give you an idea if their costs are high or low if it really is a concern to you. Who knows it may turn out to be an interesting study. What I think you will find is that AARC comes in “under” all the other places. That is why they are so attractive to charities and government grants and what has made them so successful.
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Since the Wiz is not and has never been a psychologist, he is not entitled to legally perform the Restricted Activity of psychic intervention in the Province of Alberta. Nor are any of the Peer Counselors nor AARC's clinical staff. As AARC claims to be treating a brain disease, and the Peer and Clinicals are the staff who perform said treatment, are they violating the law by performing a Restricted Act without being members of one of the Health Professions legally entitled to do so?
I would enthusiastically suggest that the above anonymous poster take some time to read over the Health Care legislation in Alberta as it pertains to performing Restricted Acts, as I have done. Then, I might suggest that the reader talk to a few dozen former AARC clients, to see what they were told about the Wiz's credentials. As I have done. Then I would suggest contacting the College of Psychologists in Alberta to see if the Wiz holds any such credential. As I have done. This may be a daunting exercise as it would involve interacting with people who would be highly unlikely to divulge much infornmation to someone apparently very determined to obscure their identity. However, by all means anonymous guest, let us know what you find out.
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As to AARC fees, again, this can't be made any simpler. The Client base does not pay $150 a day. That is the money AARC claims as a rate in order to justify taking millions in charitable donations and tax-payer money. The money AARC receives, it receives by lying about who they are and what they do. Always have.
The Police do not prosecute anyone. The Crown has to prosecute, and Gary Wong is firmly ensconced in the AARC web of political patronage. Don't expect any prosecutions in the immediate future.
You are incorrect. The vast majority of client parents pay every penny of the $150. AARC looks very closely at finances and investments. Many have motgaged hmoes, cashed in RRSPs. That is why the need for so much donation and government funding is needed. WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING????
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Since the Wiz is not and has never been a psychologist, he is not entitled to legally perform the Restricted Activity of psychic intervention in the Province of Alberta. Nor are any of the Peer Counselors nor AARC's clinical staff. As AARC claims to be treating a brain disease, and the Peer and Clinicals are the staff who perform said treatment, are they violating the law by performing a Restricted Act without being members of one of the Health Professions legally entitled to do so?
I would enthusiastically suggest that the above anonymous poster take some time to read over the Health Care legislation in Alberta as it pertains to performing Restricted Acts, as I have done. Then, I might suggest that the reader talk to a few dozen former AARC clients, to see what they were told about the Wiz's credentials. As I have done. Then I would suggest contacting the College of Psychologists in Alberta to see if the Wiz holds any such credential. As I have done. This may be a daunting exercise as it would involve interacting with people who would be highly unlikely to divulge much infornmation to someone apparently very determined to obscure their identity. However, by all means anonymous guest, let us know what you find out.
Already been done. There are no laws that are being broken. Everyone is working with the proper credentials, Ajax. Talk to the local authorities if you still feel there is a problem. They will explain it to you.
You are just making things up as you go along, ajax.
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These people consist of the Wiz, a phys ed teacher and guidance counselor; Natalie Imbach, a former client who has a degree in marriage and family counselling, likewise Gonewaydown Brown; Lyin' Bryan Campbell has a BA from the diploma mill
hhhmmm .. . very mature way of expressing oneself and these are just tame examples of how this person writes about AARC and staff there . . . someone who should really be taken seriously :clown:
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This isn't complicated. Is it fraudulent for a phys ed teacher to pass himself off as a psychologist, and to have the followers of his religious organization take money from the parents of clients, the government and charity groups while claiming to treat a brain disease with confessions and prayer? The law is very clear as to who can perform Restricted Acts in Alberta, and AARC's treatment claims appear to constitute a Restricted Act. The Peer and Clinical Staff are definitely not legally entitled to perform Restricted Acts. Are they breaking the law or not?
As to AARC fees, again, this can't be made any simpler. The Client base does not pay $150 a day. That is the money AARC claims as a rate in order to justify taking millions in charitable donations and tax-payer money. The money AARC receives, it receives by lying about who they are and what they do. Always have.
The Police do not prosecute anyone. The Crown has to prosecute, and Gary Wong is firmly ensconced in the AARC web of political patronage. Don't expect any prosecutions in the immediate future.
Have you gone to the press about this Gary Wong person? How can the crown refuse to prosecute for imprisonment and torture?
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As the AARColytes posting here are all anonymous, it's impossible to know which one has said what, so I'll address this to the one who claims that there are no laws being broken, and that everyone has the proper credentials. Are the staff at AARC performing a Restricted Activity? Since neither the Wiz, the Peer Counselors, nor the Clinicals are licensed Health Care Professionals, are they legally permitted to perform such Restricted Activities, if they are indeed doing so?
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By now there is not a question in anyones mind whether or not anyone at AARC is working without the right credentials. With all this talk I am sure everones paper work has been double and triple checked LOL. Who says we dont do any good here. If the police dont get the message by now they never will. We will see what makes the papers tomorrow morning. Ajax, this is your 15 minutes of glory. If you are right we will read about it... the other way around... crickets!
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What paperwork was triple-checked, and who did the checking? There is obviously a question as to whether or not the staff at AARC is performing Restricted Acts, and whether or not they are legally permitted to do so.
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With all this exposure AARC must have the tightest running ship in Canada LOL. The cops are probably tired of running background checks on everyone and everyones lives are an open book by now. We are doing our part of keep them honest!
I am just surprised they never found anything after all this checking.
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Sorry, what was checked, and by whom?
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Sorry, what was checked, and by whom?
Oh, people here have been calling the police, accusing them of fraud, not having degrees. One guy was pissed because the owner use to play ice hockey and married a woman who was over weight and felt this disqualified him from working at a rehab. We have talked about it on fornits for years yet not one parking ticket has been uncovered. I think the cops are getting a little giddy (or maybe pissed) at all the people thinking there is a conspricy with the governement. We keep rattling the cage, though, hoping something will drop out. Its fun to be part of all of this, gives us all something to be pissed at and I thank you for that.
How about we start saying that the kids are brainwahsed again? We havent done that one in awhile, the police love to get those phone calls.
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Who accused the police of fraud? Additionally, who is the owner of AARC? Since you seem to have an impression of the emotional state of the police, apparently giddy, what else did the police convey to you about their understanding of AARC?
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Who accused the police of fraud? Additionally, who is the owner of AARC? Since you seem to have an impression of the emotional state of the police, apparently giddy, what else did the police convey to you about their understanding of AARC?
You should call them yourself! I think you would be surprised. Talk to them about AARC and tell them what you think you know and then sit back and listen to what they say. Dont be afraid. Step outside of the safety and anonymity of fornits for a change and see the feed back you get there.
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Did you say you're going to step outside of the anonimity of Fornits? Let us know how your inquiries to the police turn out!
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Did you say you're going to step outside of the anonimity of Fornits? Let us know how your inquiries to the police turn out!
You and I both knew you would never call. Because you would have to prove what you say and give them your name. Its a little different then just blowing off steam behind a veil on the internet. You would shake in your boots if they asked you to prove anything you say here.
Stay here and feel safe, Ajax.
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As all of you AARColytes are still posting anonymously, I don't know which of you is which. One of you said you were accusing the police of fraud, and one of you said that the police are giddy about AARC. I'm sure that all readers would appreciate greatly if you let us in on more of what the police imparted to you about their view of AARC. All of those people to whom I have spoken who have complained to the police about AARC have been received without the skepticism that existed in the past.
For the AARColyte who found the police to be giddy about AARC, please go on!
Here's an additional challenge for all AARColytes. Disprove what I have said. Disprove the fact that the Wiz is a phys ed teacher and guidance counselor with no license to perform psychic interventions.
Disprove the fact that the Wiz worked at Kids.
Disprove the fact that the AARC clinical staff are not licensed to perform psychic interventions.
Disprove the fact the AARC method is is identical to Kids.
Disprove the fact that AARC began as Kids and changed it's name when it couldn't get a license.
On your mark, get set, go!
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As all of you AARColytes are still posting anonymously, I don't know which of you is which. One of you said you were accusing the police of fraud, and one of you said that the police are giddy about AARC. I'm sure that all readers would appreciate greatly if you let us in on more of what the police imparted to you about their view of AARC. All of those people to whom I have spoken who have complained to the police about AARC have been received without the skepticism that existed in the past.
For the AARColyte who found the police to be giddy about AARC, please go on!
Here's an additional challenge for all AARColytes. Disprove what I have said. Disprove the fact that the Wiz is a phys ed teacher and guidance counselor with no license to perform psychic interventions.
Disprove the fact that the Wiz worked at Kids.
Disprove the fact that the AARC clinical staff are not licensed to perform psychic interventions.
Disprove the fact the AARC method is is identical to Kids.
Disprove the fact that AARC began as Kids and changed it's name when it couldn't get a license.
On your mark, get set, go!
So I can take it as a no. You will not go to the police because you have no proof. You would shake in your boots if they even asked you if AARC even had a parking ticket. You choose to hide in the shadows, on the internet, where you can stay safe and anonymous, Ajax.
Anyone reading would know that if you really had any proof you would go to the police (or at least make an anonymous phone call), but it is all in your head. I do have fun here on fornits with you, so please stay.
Lets go back to one of your favorites: You claim AARC charges $150 a day for their services, while most residential treatment centers are above $250 a day and hospitals average about $2,000 a day. Now you, Ajax, thought AARC should charge something different. Why not expand on that for us.
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Why would the police ask me if AARC had a parking ticket? If the police did ask me such a question, why should I be afraid?
Again, AARC is not a hospital, so I fail to see why you would compare the fees at AARC to a hospital stay. AARC is a religious group run by a phys ed teacher. It is so unlike a hospital, it is unfathomable as to why you would compare the two.
The closest thing to AARC is PFC, which charges $20g USD, or half what AARC charges.
As to anonimity, who did you say you were?
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Why would the police ask me if AARC had a parking ticket? If the police did ask me such a question, why should I be afraid?
Because when they begin to ask you about all your allegations about AARC at some point they will ask you for proof. See, Ajax, you cannot just walk into a police station and accuse someone or someplace of wrong doing without some type of proof. When they said “Mr. Ajax what type of proof do you have against this place!!” Reality will set in and you will realize you are not on the internet and cannot just close your laptop and hide. You will need to answer the questions. At that point you will begin to shake in your boots.
But telling it on the internet is much safer for you. I would stick with that for now until you get your courage up. Maybe pull some more information together that is credible.
Again, AARC is not a hospital,
Thank goodness!! Imagine having to pay $2,000 a day for that place!!
so I fail to see why you would compare the fees at AARC to a hospital stay.
I don’t think we should. They should charge a lot less than a hospital.. maybe under $200 a day at best. What do you think?
AARC is a religious group run by a phys ed teacher. It is so unlike a hospital, it is unfathomable as to why you would compare the two.
The closest thing to AARC is PFC, which charges $20g USD, or half what AARC charges.
They should talk, maybe with a little help AARC could help boost PFC up to $40,000 a year.
As to anonimity, who did you say you were?
You can call me ”Guest” and you are “Ajax”, I know.
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It is quite impossible to tell you from any other guest. You asked what I think, which is very odd considering that I have repeatedly stated that I don't think AARC should charge anything, since they are a religious organization that forces people into AA. AA is free, thus AARC ought to be free as well. I'm not sure how you missed out on that. But then, maybe you didn't read the prior posts. Impossible to tell, since you don't have any kind of name to identify you with your posts.
I still don't see why the police would ask me if AARC has a parking ticket.
The issues at hand here are AARC' s use of unregulated host homes, unlawful confinement in the host homes, unlawful confinement in the centre, performing Restricted Activities without belonging to a profession entitled to do so, falsely claiming to be a psychologist, and the entire array of unlawful behaviour associated with AARC. How did you manage to confuse these things with a concern over parking tickets?
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It is quite impossible to tell you from any other guest. You asked what I think, which is very odd considering that I have repeatedly stated that I don't think AARC should charge anything, since they are a religious organization that forces people into AA. AA is free, thus AARC ought to be free as well. I'm not sure how you missed out on that. But then, maybe you didn't read the prior posts. Impossible to tell, since you don't have any kind of name to identify you with your posts.
I still don't see why the police would ask me if AARC has a parking ticket.
The issues at hand here are AARC' s use of unregulated host homes, unlawful confinement in the host homes, unlawful confinement in the centre, performing Restricted Activities without belonging to a profession entitled to do so, falsely claiming to be a psychologist, and the entire array of unlawful behaviour associated with AARC. How did you manage to confuse these things with a concern over parking tickets?
Then why dont you go to the police and mention all those things instead of here on the internet? What is it that you are afraid of? If what you say is true then you should not be afraid and you can step out from behind the anonymity of fornits and get something done. I think you are just making it up.
If I had evidence of false claims and unlawful confinement etc. I would go to the police... I dont see why you dont. See what I am saying?
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Sorry, did you say you were stepping out from behind the anonimity of Fornits? When I first began looking into AARC in April 2007, I went through the initial steps of complaining to MLAs, cabinet Ministers, an array of print and television media, and various other groups and individuals. I identified myself fully to these people. Quite unlike you, who continue to post anonymously all the while demanding something that already took place. Silly, AARColyte.
I don't blame you though. After all, you bought into the idea that a phys ed teacher could rehabillitate drug addicts using a set of rituals he stole from Miller Newton. Good luck in any future endeavors, but word to the wise: strike that time as a Peer Counselor off your resume. It'll look about as good as Recreation Director at Jonestown in a few months.
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Ajax, have their been any media reports about what AARC is accused of?
How do the police explain not investigating and the crown explain not prosecuting the AARC for imprisonment, torture, etc?
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From AARC's 2008 Tax Return:
Section D. Compensation
Note: Compensation includes all forms of remuneration (e.g., salaries, fees, and honoraria) and benefits (e.g., personal use of a car or office space).
D1 On average, how many permanent, full-time, compensated positions did the charity have in the fiscal period? 35
D2 For the five highest compensated positions indicate the number of positions in each of the following annual compensation categories. Include only those positions that are permanent, full-time positions.
$1-$39,999
$40,000-$79,999 1
$80,000-$119,999 2
$119,999 and over 2
D3 On average, how many part-time or part-year employees did the charity employ in the fiscal period?
D4 What was the total expenditure on compensation for part-time or part-year employees in the fiscal period?
D5 Did the charity compensate any of its directors/trustees or like officials, during the fiscal period? No
D6 Except for compensation, did the charity, directly or indirectly, transfer any part of its income or assets to individuals or organizations not at arm's length to the charity? No
Section E. Financial Information
E1 Was the financial information reported below prepared on an accrual or cash basis? ACCRUAL
E2 Figures are shown to the nearest dollar.
Assets
Cash, bank accounts, and short-term investments $ 1,804,243
Amounts receivable from non-arm's length parties
Amounts receivable from all others. $ 230,361
Investments in non-arm's length parties
Long-term investments $ 2,933,300
Inventories
Capital assets (at cost or fair market value) $ 7,028,018
Other assets $ 1,874,073
Total assets $ 13,869,995
Liabilities
Accounts payable and accrued liabilities. $ 215,779
Deferred revenue $ 927,905
Amounts owing to non-arm's length parties
Other liabilities $ 7,910,856
Total liabilities $ 9,054,540
Amount included in lines 4150, 4160, and 4170 not used in charitable programs
E3 Figures are shown to the nearest dollar.
Revenue
Total eligible amount of tax-receipted gifts $ 3,481,434
Total amount received from other registered charities $ 581,993
Total enduring property
Total other gifts
Revenue from federal government
Revenue from provincial/territorial governments $ 383,775
Revenue from municipal/regional governments
Total revenue from government $ 383,775
Interest and investment income $ 103,650
Proceeds from disposition of assets
· gross
· net
Rental income (land and buildings)
Memberships, dues, and association fees (non tax-receipted)
Total revenue from fundraising $ 1,138,874
Total revenue from sale of goods and services (except to government) $ 1,008,960
Other revenue
Total revenue $ 6,698,686
Expenditures (Enter all expenditures, whether or not on charitable programs)
Advertising and promotion $ 81,367
Travel and vehicle $ 30,310
Interest and bank charges $ 55,262
Licences, memberships, and dues $ 1,221
Office supplies and expenses $ 107,550
Occupancy costs $ 462,933
Professional and consulting fees $ 31,243
Education and training for staff and volunteers $ 14,505
Salaries, wages, benefits, and honoraria $ 1,840,333
Donated and purchased supplies and assets expensed for the fiscal period $ 214,146
Amortization of capitalized assets
Research grants and scholarships as part of charitable programs $ 437,424
Other expenditures $ 1,482,351
Total expenditures before gifts to qualified donees $ 4,758,645
Total charitable programs expenditures $ 3,754,681
Total management and administration expenditures $ 332,627
Total fundraising expenditures $ 671,336
Total political activity expenditures
Total other expenditures
Total gifts to qualified donees, excluding enduring property
Total enduring property transferred to qualified donees (See the guide.)
Total specified gifts to qualified donees (See the guide.)
Total expenditures $ 4,758,645
They should charge a lot less than a hospital.. maybe under $200 a day at best. What do you think?
Total revenue $ 6,698,686
I think maybe ... no
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Occupancy costs of $462 933?
Office supplies and expenses $107 550?
Management and administration expenditures $332 627?
Fundraising expenditures $671 336?
They've been on Forge Rd. since 1992, and raised $9 000 000 for the expansion. How do these people have liabilities of $9 000 000?
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Other expenditures $ 1,482,351
That's a whole lotta "other"!
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Interested observers might remember the crazy bitch posting here last summer who kept insisting that AARC employed licensed mental health professionals. This was of course, a lie.
Wrongo - not a "crazy bitch" and telling the truth!!! Ajax, the living but brain-dead, finally got his facts straight!! no pun intended!! AARC hasn't hired anyone new since last summer so don't let him lie to you all some more
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Wrongo! At the time I wrote that post, Marty Heeg was still a consultant. The Clinical staff, as now, was made up of amateurs, as is the Peer staff. AARC has thrown the Wiz's step-daughter overboard, and now lists Marty Heeg as an employee. Heeg has been a consultant for AARC for years, but not an employee. At the time of the post, the only licensed health care worker was Toomanypillsko, who does not provide the daily treatment. This is done by the Peer Counselors, amateurs to the last.
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$1-$39,999
$40,000-$79,999 1
$80,000-$119,999 2
$119,999 and over 2
They are cheap bastards, no freebies at this place. I would expect the top people to be all making over 200,000 easy. They must run a tight ship there. Someone mentioned "bring your own underwear", I think they are right, this even applies to their top people!! LOL
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Wrongo! At the time I wrote that post, Marty Heeg was still a consultant. The Clinical staff, as now, was made up of amateurs, as is the Peer staff. AARC has thrown the Wiz's step-daughter overboard, and now lists Marty Heeg as an employee. Heeg has been a consultant for AARC for years, but not an employee. At the time of the post, the only licensed health care worker was Toomanypillsko, who does not provide the daily treatment. This is done by the Peer Counselors, amateurs to the last.
so whether the guy gets benefits is important . . are you a complete MORON fuck! how stupid can one prick be - the guy has been working there in WHATEVER capacity for years - as employee or consultant he works with the freaking clients on a regular baiss. So does a psychiatrist who is likely contract/consultant. Do you think the f'ing kids and parents need to see whether the people are signed up for the health insurance and benefits package????
who let you lose???
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Sorry, did you say you were stepping out from behind the anonimity of Fornits?
I suppose in YOUR world that is the correct way to spell anonymity . every time you talk about ANONYMITY you show what trailer trash you really are . . Try pronouncing it as well . . bet yA can't do that either! I think we just like remaining anonymous so we can see you spell the word LOLOL roflmao . . and you really think maybe this is not part of the problem for you being heard by all the public officals that you run down . . .
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in aarc for almost a year never heard of marty heeg never treated by dr hogg or whatever either
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Sorry, did you say you were stepping out from behind the anonimity of Fornits?
I suppose in YOUR world that is the correct way to spell anonymity . every time you talk about ANONYMITY you show what trailer trash you really are . . Try pronouncing it as well . . bet yA can't do that either! I think we just like remaining anonymous so we can see you spell the word LOLOL roflmao . . and you really think maybe this is not part of the problem for you being heard by all the public officals that you run down . . .
I dont recall Ajax giving us his name. Why is the pot calling the kettle black? This is the only way Ajax will say what he does. If he told a public official he would have to give his real name and back up what he says with facts. Ajax feels better about himself when he cannot be confronted. This way he can say what he likes and hide behind his veil.
Someone pass the popcorn.
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$1-$39,999
$40,000-$79,999 1
$80,000-$119,999 2
$119,999 and over 2
They are cheap bastards, no freebies at this place. I would expect the top people to be all making over 200,000 easy. They must run a tight ship there. Someone mentioned "bring your own underwear", I think they are right, this even applies to their top people!! LOL
it also means that 30 employees earn under $40K a year. WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING???
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in aarc for almost a year never heard of marty heeg never treated by dr hogg or whatever either
guess you JUST used too many drugs then buddy ya poor dear
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I would expect the top people to make salaries in line with their qualifications. What does a phys ed teacher and guidance counselor make in the Calgary School System? How about unlicensed marriage counselors? How about, oh what do you call what Lyin' Bryan does, anyway? I suppose one might compare his job to that of a sadistic, depraved summer camp counselor.
That is a tight ship though, with a million and a half of "other expenses".
Please remember guest, that you're a degenerate with a criminal's mindset when it comes to looking at this. That's why you don't understand non-criminal's dismay with AARC's finances. It's okay. It could have been the result of something congenital, or an injury, or perhaps you were subjected to monstrous abuse in the formative years of your life, before age 3.
Whatever the case, as long as you don't ever get near any children and limit the manifestations of your perversion to Fornits, by all means carry on.
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What you may want to account for is the fact that many small private and public schools have their employees wear several hats. The gym teacher may also be the basketball coach and fill-in at the front office. So their base salaries may be well in line with the private/public sector (or even much lower for each job) but their gross pay/compensation may be higher than any one individual job posting.
What needs to be done is to take a look at what each person does and compare this to other areas of public service. What you have are reports for accounting purposes only.
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What you may want to account for is the fact that many small private and public schools have their employees wear several hats. The gym teacher may also be the basketball coach and fill-in at the front office. So their base salaries may be well in line with the private/public sector (or even much lower for each job) but their gross pay/compensation may be higher than any one individual job posting.
What needs to be done is to take a look at what each person does and compare this to other areas of public service. What you have are reports for accounting purposes only.
Never thought of that, We have State troopers in our state who are taking home $160,000 yet their base pay is around $80,000. Something else to consider is that the people at AARC may work longer hours than other people in their professions. I wonder when the last time they gave their people a pay raise. Considering that they are a relatively small operation (under 10 million a year) and a charity status may account for their low compensations.
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Great point. Let's look at what the staff does at AARC: play recorded music, lead prayer, organize group confessionals, lead some more prayer, supervise writing in AARC work-books, lead some more confessionals, degrade helpless and highly vulnerable adolescents, load everybody into vehicles to head off to the home-made jails, bed.
How does one calculate proper compensation for that?
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Great point. Let's look at what the staff does at AARC: play recorded music, lead prayer, organize group confessionals, lead some more prayer, supervise writing in AARC work-books, lead some more confessionals, degrade helpless and highly vulnerable adolescents, load everybody into vehicles to head off to the home-made jails, bed.
How does one calculate proper compensation for that?
LOL, No I think the person meant to look at the individual titles and see how much they are compensated for each. I dont know if this is available in their accounting tables but maybe it is else where. I like the loading kids up to home made jails. Would that be the gym teacher? They should get 30 cents a mile compensation for that.
So the gym teacher would get his/her basic salary plus get paid as a driver to transport the kids where they need to go (prison, I guess, if nesseccary LOL). But I think you see what they were getting at.
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The staff at AARC shouldn't be paid for what they do, they should be barred from any unsupervised contact with minors. I am in total agreement with you that the AARC staff should receive punishment in accordance to their position in the heirarchy. The top people bear the most responsiblity for the ongoing criminal activity, and have reaped the most from their illegal endeavors. Thus they will hopefully end up with the heaviest sanctions.
I almost think we could see eye to eye on this if you could pry yours away from the nearest healthy teen!
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These discussions are fabulous. As I have read thru here there has been a lot of negative information and positive information about AARC on here. This back and forth banter helps to keep them in the spot light which is a great effort for both sides. There is not a rehab, juvy or prison which the state/province can send people which costs under $200 a day if you include health care costs. Prisons typically hold their inmates for several years and have an extremely poor rehabilitation rate.
With these hard economic times coming up the local budgets are going to look closely at cutting costs and if places like AARC can catch the eye of authorities who are looking to reduce the budget. As Ajax pointed out, AARC can do the job of any of the standard rehabilitation or state prisons for less than $140 a day and many are out within a year or two vs. several years in a state funded prison or a 30 day rehab with poor results.
Ajax (or someone) also pointed out that AARC has a success rate in the 85% range. Does anyone have this report? Look at the repeat offenders coming out of prison and 30 day rehabs everyday. I am sure AARC has their failures too but this place is a good bang for the buck. The whole operation is under 10 million (not including underwear LOL as someone pointed out) vs. 10’s to 100’s million dollar operating costs of the others.
Has anyone been able to get this information out to the media? I heard there is going to be a show done on AARC this week?
That might be a good slogan “AARC - Bring your own underwear, we will handle the rest!!)
Maybe AARC should get their own thread? seems to be important enough.
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These discussions are fabulous. As I have read thru here there has been a lot of negative information and positive information about AARC on here. This back and forth banter helps to keep them in the spot light which is a great effort for both sides. There is not a rehab, juvy or prison which the state/province can send people which costs under $200 a day if you include health care costs. Prisons typically hold their inmates for several years and have an extremely poor rehabilitation rate.
With these hard economic times coming up the local budgets are going to look closely at cutting costs and if places like AARC can catch the eye of authorities who are looking to reduce the budget. As Ajax pointed out, AARC can do the job of any of the standard rehabilitation or state prisons for less than $140 a day and many are out within a year or two vs. several years in a state funded prison or a 30 day rehab with poor results.
Ajax (or someone) also pointed out that AARC has a success rate in the 85% range. Does anyone have this report? Look at the repeat offenders coming out of prison and 30 day rehabs everyday. I am sure AARC has their failures too but this place is a good bang for the buck. The whole operation is under 10 million (not including underwear LOL as someone pointed out) vs. 10’s to 100’s million dollar operating costs of the others.
Has anyone been able to get this information out to the media? I heard there is going to be a show done on AARC this week?
That might be a good slogan “AARC - Bring your own underwear, we will handle the rest!!)
Maybe AARC should get their own thread? seems to be important enough.
GeorgeS, I dont know much about AARC itself. I have only reviewed its studies and read what has been written here, In defense of ajax, he originally introduce the study to point out its flaws, not as a way to show the success rates at AARC. But the study speaks for itself. Its was independently done and had the oversight of directors from Hazelden and their foundation.
The information on this thread also has shown AARC has maintained an extremely low overhead in spite of higher operation costs. I see this (in part)attributed to their charity status and low compensation and/or use of volunteers. Their continued success should be closely monitored. I believe someone is going to record the interview on youtube as was mentioned in an earlier post.
AARC Study Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=312005&sid=d9457033ce6f02256dd4338795b16fe9&sid=d9457033ce6f02256dd4338795b16fe9#p312005)
AARC Outcome Study
Conclusion: The outcome study of AARC was found to be conducted by an independent professional in the area of addiction. To assist with the data collection and computation AARC had one of the Directors of Hazelden and their assistants oversea and help author the study. So the study is rock solid credible with some of it findings being:
85% of all graduates are still living a clean and sober life after 4 years
93% of all graduates are still living a clean and sober life after 12 months
52% of all graduates have had at least one relapse since graduating.
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oh hell, dr.hogg is STILL there??? i accidently brought her into that gong show years ago when i came into treatment.... does she buy that bullshit that they feed her now?
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lol i graduated from aarc after a nine and a half month stay. It was tough but I have been clean and sober now for a few years, i tried many programs but nothing ever worked for me, aarc is a good place with good people helping kids who cant help themselves, haha and all this stuff is a JOKE and stupid funny if you ask me, why do people fret on here when you can just ask a few sober grads if they are glad to be sober today, haha, you funny guys making stuff up about aarc, the few grads who bash aarc, cuz it showed them that doing drugs gets you know where, who waste their time to come on these things and talk nonsense about aarc are just trying to cover up some pit inside cuz they missed out on a good opertunity to stay sobbbbeerrr.. and fift estate is all a bunch of tabliod rated garbage who spend their times trying hard to make up stories, didncha mother tell you not everything you hear is the truth, haha
::deadhorse:: you guys are beating a dead horse, nobody cares about your bash talk.
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oh hell, dr.hogg is STILL there??? i accidently brought her into that gong show years ago when i came into treatment.... does she buy that bullshit that they feed her now?
Dr. Hogg does not meet the clients, she does not treat the clients.
Dr. Hogg will "consult" with clinical staff regarding information provided by clinical staff.
Dr. Hogg found it "disturbing" that a client had previously been treated by a psychiatrist, but their case had never been brought to her attention.
Interesting how half the board is program parents yet any professionals are "at arms length"! Should be the other way around!
:roflmao:
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Following the fifth estate, AARC inundated it's website with glowing testimonials about their "unique" program. I found Dr.Lori Hogg's testimonial to be one of the most bizarre endorsements. As a psychiatrist, don't you think she would provide substantiated evidence to support AARC's methods? Oh yeah, she can't because their methods have been likened to North Korean mind control techniques. So all she's left to say is that AARC saves lives - the AARC mantra, if you will, that they repeat to themselves over and over whenever someone comes out with solid evidence that proves that AARC is an abusive cult. I would have never guessed that this quote came from a psychiatrist. "They're my heros!!" She sounds more like an 8th grader with a crystal ball.
Dr. Lori Hogg, McSc., MD, FRCP/C Consulting Child and Adolescent Psychiatrist has also been impressed by AARC Peer Counsellors:
"Without AARC, many of these teens would not have a chance for survival, let alone any kind of mental health and success in life. It is truly a privilege for me to work with AARC. The entire teams, but especially the Peer Counsellors, are my heroes."
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"It is truly a privilege for me to work with AARC. The entire teams, but especially the Peer Counsellors, are my heroes."
Just goes to show that she is in AARC's pocket. Again I will say "It's all about the money !!!"