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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / IT is choice
« on: December 01, 2001, 03:46:41 PM »
same old, same old.
We've already talked about whether or not we still go to meetings here, have sponsers, yadayada. We've already answered a million posts about how if we aren't a part of aarc then we must be miserable druggies (yeah taht's not cultic behavior). We've also already answered that there is nothing positive about AARC, and we already know that only staff is posting here, so at least try to be more creative liars. Why don't you go post at my website? Not one of you has been able to answer anything I question. The closest to an answer is someone saying that AARC does twisted things to kids but that's okay!


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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / IT is choice
« on: December 01, 2001, 03:11:33 PM »
Re: k
Don't believe Ihad a choice, because I didn't. OH I see where you made the mistake. I said that I legally had the choice, meaning that I should have been able to leave, but would be sat on if I did.


When a kid is in deep trouble they need to be shown how much power they have over their own lives, not to have it taken away from them.


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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / IT is choice
« on: December 01, 2001, 08:24:55 AM »
I believe it's kidnapping
I believe:


that it's not a choice, when you decide to leave and a group of people sit on you and drag you back in. If you are court ordered to AARC then it's not a choice is it? If you are under sixteen you legally do have the choice to walk out, but you will be restrained and told that you don't have the right to sign out. Only exeption to the rule being one smart cookie with her own lawyer who knew where she'd been taken.


It's not a choice when you're wallet is taken from you. It's not a choice when you are very young and you run away from AARC, and then AARC calls everyone you might have known or talks your parents into doing it, so that all of your family and friends are scared to take you in. Or when they show up to all the locations that they know you might go to, to drag you back. And even if you don't find them then that poor kid is forced to live on the streets because you've told their parents that they are bad parents if they let her/him come back home. Is that "for there own good" Scarring them forever? When you believe the disease concept, you believe that someone with a disease needs to be cared for at all times and you do your best to help the disease not progress, you don't try to make it worse for them.


There are very few kids who think that because they are older than 16 that they can sign themselves out who stay. The ones that do are usually either out of money and places to stay and don't have the street smarts to stay afloat, or are so vulnerable that they will cling to what you tell them quickly. Some people are put in the situation where they can't get their families back without going through AARC, and love their parents so much that they will spend years of their life faking just to have them.


How can you say that doing unhealthy things, hurting a child or doing things to them that are "wrong" is okay? If you think that you are stopping them for murdering someone, what about the boy who was not an addict and you knew that, and was kept anyways. What did he end up doing? Well first when he got out he started abusing drugs which he says he did because he hoped on coming back and really being like you guys...AARC's programming is so effective that he thought he had to be just like you. Then you wouldn't let him back - then her murdered someone which he says he did in hopes that he would be court ordered back to AARC. Before you he was a decent kid who had acted out for attention, and probably just needed someone to talk to.


Like I asked you on my board, when will it ever be not okay? You said that aarc does wrong things but it's for a good reason...It's not. I'm still waiting for some answers. When someone doesn't do what I want them to I don't harm them to try to force them to do it.


I do believe that what Br**n N**l did was because of you. He wouldn't have robbed you just for the minor cash he could have gotten from a pawn shop.


And thank you for allowing us to "AARC bash" but we've only had to bash to try to help you, otherwise we were mostly talking about our feelings. Oh and thank you for the well wishes about doing something with my life. I have done many positive things with my life, more so than most people get to while they are here, and deffinately more so than anyone who stays with AARC. What have you done?


One thing about leaving AARC is that nobody ever stands behind you. Even if you still come to the functions and left AARC peacefully for what you thought was a legitimate reason, you will still be bashed. Someone needs to tell An***w M**t*n what was said after he left. He thought the whole while that things were as tight as ever, and now look what he's doing for a person who bashed him.


You might think that I come here to seek revenge on people, and I do admit that certain people being upset is slightly amusing to me! But the truth is that there are people who are not involved with aarc, and people who are involved with aarc that I care very much about. There are also people I don't even know, yet I care for them too. The reason I created my page is to create a forum where people could come back together, share the TRUTH and start to heal. I am sorry that you are not in that place.


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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / 170 graduates more then half are sober
« on: December 01, 2001, 07:55:13 AM »
very angry about being mind raped
Hey, don't knock aadac because they give you money...Oh now wait, they say they stopped giving you money because of something cntroversial and questionable...What was that?


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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / 170 graduates more then half are sober
« on: December 01, 2001, 09:34:12 AM »
LMAO!
It's kind of like that movie The Sixth Sense, only you have to go to AARC to see all the crazy dead people : P That's why I still go to AARC - Everywhere else in Calgary I have to step over dead kids or frothing at the mouth crazy ones, but in AARC's parking lot it's always sunny and filled with sane fat people!!!


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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / 170 graduates more then half are sober
« on: December 01, 2001, 08:28:59 AM »
It's about time!!!
I absolutely knew that you would start posting here!!! Why is that? You haven't gone by another identity on the surviving AARC board have you? A little birdy told me that you have.


Well as for the "half sober" theory, guess again. Once upon a time AARC claimed they had a 90% success rate...then %70, then...What did Steve say again? 60%. Mind you I can't seem to find how they even form a success rate when they don't even contact all of the grad's to find out! Nobody's ever asked me. Not to mention the staff members and graduates who still take cakes in AA and don't confess at AARC that they've used, but have privately confided in me or my friends that they have or are.


Also...Success can be judged in many ways, and I have yet to see someone actually come out of AARC better. They look healthier, they speak more proffesionally, but they are mentally so @#%$ up that they usually can't function on the outside world. If you judge success by sobriety or those who used but came back to sobriety, AARC still doesn't make the half piont mark - at least not counting all of the graduates I've known.


If you weren't @#%$ yourself, you wouldn't have just recited the AARC montra of "If it weren't for AARC I would be dead" and that you were nothing but a failure before AARC. Has AARC allowed you to accept any good qualities you had in yourself when you were using, or have they not made it seem as though you were a 100% "crazy" "drop out". Have they made it seem as though without them you never would have matured? Do you have any self resepect if you think that you were worthless for using drugs and alcohol and not attending school?


Do you know what AARC's definition of a failure is? A young person. Know what other definition of a failure is to AARC? Anyone who hasn't been through AARC. You know it's true because you guys talk about how un aware everyone else is, and how much of a gift you've recieved...You are so much more enlightened than anyone who hasn't been through AARC. You even think that the siblings are weak because they haven't had as much AARC as you.


Let me tell you something, even the kids who used 6-8 times, or drank a little for a year or 2 of their lives were left to believe that if it weren't for aarc they would have gone crazy or died. If that seems normal to you you need to go back out into the real world and cut your ties with AARC.


You've been viewing my site all night, it just killed you to not post somewhere. If you don't feel that you were in a harmufl treatment centre then maybe you don't belong here.


P.S. Geez I thought there were more than 170 now...Not pumping them out the same as you used to are you?


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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / "The Interview"
« on: December 01, 2001, 03:47:00 PM »
Re: "The Interview"
I'd be interested in that!


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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Censorship
« on: December 01, 2001, 06:37:00 AM »
I see your point
lol...okay then. Change the F.U.C.K.E.N board!


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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Censorship
« on: December 02, 2001, 12:04:15 AM »
I Like the board!
Just to put my 2 cents in, I don't mind having swear words messed with because I usually do that to them myself anyways (Always put a few *** in there). We know what the words are anyways, right? There are posting boards out there that I can't figure out how to use. EZ board seems the...EZiest to me.


To think, I have a surver sitting in my storage room gathering dust!


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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Request of AARC ppl
« on: December 01, 2001, 03:29:39 PM »
Secure Care @#%$ Group
Incase you're interested here's a link about the Secure Care Working Group and their report.

www.mcf.gov.bc.ca/key_ini...intro.htm.


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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Request of AARC ppl
« on: December 01, 2001, 03:00:09 PM »
Re: Request of AARC ppl
Because all of the speakers listed are American or Swiss, I'm not familiar with them. They haven't listed the Canadian speakers yet, but I can go back in a while and see when they post them. I'm fairly familiar with the who's who.Typically the attourny general shows up to all of these events. The bad guys to look out for are Diane Sowden, or anyone from the "Secure care options report" which often call themselves the "safe care options group" which makes it sound very nice and pretty.


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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Sleepless in Canada
« on: December 01, 2001, 09:38:21 PM »
Crazy
Yeah! He said it in a rap once. He was working in a psych ward, I think in Saskatchewan. He told us to not tell our parents "or anyone" but he decided to throw a party for all the patients. He asked permission from a boss who obviously said no, he said something about them all being medicated and what not, but he did it anyways. I think he said something about punch, so I don't know if he spiked it or just served an alcoholic punch for everyone. I've considered calling around Saskatoon to see if I can get a record of employment.  


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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Sleepless in Canada
« on: December 02, 2001, 02:25:48 AM »
God, I hope it's Oprah : )
Yeah, I'll do TV, but I'm probably even more intimidated than you are, and probably for totally different reasons. But with the project I've been working on I won't really have a choice. All I can say is that I'm not ready yet, but I hope that I'm ready very soon.


The thing is, it can only help both of us. Especially when the flyers bring more people out and we'll have a strong group to share their experiences. The only people angry at you for doing it will be AARC, and their probably pissed at you anyways, so who cares? So they make nasty phone calls, oh well.


One of the things I've done the last couple of years is not keep it a secret to anyone. I used to not tell new friends until I'd know them for a while, but now I'm always open with it even at work and stuff like that. My dentist knows about AARC. I usually say that I was a part of a Christian based theraputic cult, and if anyone wants the details I'll fill them in on it.


I don't have your email address, so if you mail me I can send you an article where he gives an outline of his career from playing hockey until now. It doesn't say that he's a psychologist (which he says he is and we know that he's not) but it does say that he's got his doctorate in physical education, and worked on a doctorate before AARC in Vancouver. So that whole passage on to psychologisthood during the beginning of AARC doesn't fit in anywhere.


You know what would be great? If we found out wha psych ward he got fired from for getting all of the patients drunk : ) Silly cult leader should have kept  his mouth shut about that!


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Re: Not quite
I personally beleive...


Speaking of showing faces, for those of you who don't know the post stating "jl" was just a confession that the poster is Dr. Vause, giving the initials for a name that he used as he pretended he was a lawyer.


Now that you know what kind of behavior he shows here, imagine how proffesional he is in private.  


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Dear "John"
*rubs hands together like Dr. Vause always does before open meeting*


Okay now, I'm all pumped let's start responding! How about, a time in your past when you thought your username was banned but it wasn't and still haven't posted on the site that you are actually supposed to be posting on!


In my opinion...


Well let me start here about your comments on the girl who sang at graduations and all the fundraising events you asked her to sing at. It's very easy why she used to do that - because she was dependant on your approval of her and believed in you with all her heart and soul for a very long time. Then she witnessed so many things that she couldn't justify anymore and left, and then she realized that there was never any good to outweigh the bad, and that it had all been bad. That's why there's no other side to the issue. Like I said on the site you're supposed to be posting at, every cult offers a better more fulfilled life and believes that people on the outside aren't getting that devine opportunity. Oh, and that girl is hardly a relapsed grad, you know that because some of you will see her at meetings. You might know about all of the great things that she's aquired in her life since she LEFT aarc. Instead at singing at your fundraising functions she's been singing in recording studio's.


You know, I never believed that saying "Can't con a con"

because I was never a con in the first place. AARC needs to tell people that so that you feel that you are such a manipulative horrible person that you could never step outside of AARC - you're made to feel that all you will do is manipulate people into treating you like a real person ('enabeling') and then you will surely relapse if people aren't mean to you. Have you ever wondered why "safe" is a dirty word in AARC? Have to bounce around meetings sharing to people you hardly know, and opening up to oldcomers who you don't love so that you are never "safe" with anyone? Because if you are truly safe with them your deep fears may come true that you don't really want to be a part of aarc and aren't sure of your conviction in the place.


Well for old times sake I'm going to say "can't con a con" because that's the kind of depth your getting into by running to this board. Only the real saying is can't recruit someone who's been through the same cult family as you. Oh, and you're right there have only been a few of us posting, but there are more reading, and more who aren't online at all. The internet is the last thing that you should worry about.


If it's true that resentments are the #1 killer....Maybe I should call an ambulance for you now.


I myself am feeling fine.



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