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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: Anonymous on February 23, 2006, 10:31:00 AM
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If you did this in HLA, what would happen? I'm curious. How is dissent and disagreement with policies and theories about treatment?
On 2006-02-23 07:19:00, SHH wrote:
"My husband stood up when a politician was there at the Seed one day and dared to question national drug policy back then. He got severely punished for that one. I cant remember which politician it was."
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He was punished because he embarrassed Art from what I was told.
And it has nothing to do with how HLA does things, that was just how the Seed chose to try to keep him quiet, but it didn't work very well, he ended up running away and moving to another city when he turned 18.[ This Message was edited by: SHH on 2006-02-23 07:41 ]
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On 2006-02-23 07:39:00, SHH wrote:
"He was punished because he embarrassed Art from what I was told."
Thanks, but as you can easily surmise from the title of the thread I was asking the HLA "students." We all know what your answer is. :roll:
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At HLA the student would undoubtedly be placed on restriction indefinitly, but more likely would be sent out into the woods for god knows how long.
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Well, I don't know too much about how they handle it inhouse. But when graduates, pulls, former staff or even interested onlookers get uppity and mouthy, they generally get threatening letters from Quirk & Quirk and/or an unfriendly visit from Leo.
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HLA states that restrictions(Daily) is only for
1 1/2 hours max...
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On 2006-02-24 09:50:00, juniper2 wrote:
"HLA states that restrictions(Daily) is only for
1 1/2 hours max..."
Shut the fuck up.
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On 2006-02-24 09:50:00, juniper2 wrote:
"HLA states that restrictions(Daily) is only for
1 1/2 hours max..."
They may be refering to work assingments or PT. In either cases though the claim is still bullshit. Work assignments espically go on for much longer than an hour and a half.
Restrictions on the other hand during my time would go anywhere from a few days to months at a time.
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The restrictions I knew were much harsher than what they actually described to parents, I remember trying to stress this fact to my mom on a phone call and being placed on restriction for manipulation. Robert Bruce is right an hour and half is a joke. The mandatory cals and work assignments were usually around 3-4 hours total. But that didn?t count in the sporadic cals that the whole group would suffer because of one or two kids misbehaving while on restriction. If I ran that place I'd be a bit more honest all these half-truths and whole lies make the place seem very shady to the onlooker.
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Yet according to Bullfrog students are never prevented from telling their parents about such atrocities nor are they ever punished for telling the truth.
Not that they would need to lie because according to her all work assignments ever consist of is a little "light maintainance" and HLA never ever does things like oh I dont know say move boulders around for hours on end for no apparent reasons, or maintain the general upkeep of the school, or even clean the inside of dumpsters with toothbrushes.
No sir Bullfrog never saw it, and therefore that means it never happened (ignore the fact that she was rarely on campus and had almost no interaction with students..unimportant.)
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Yes thats right. Robert knows more about my own life than I do. It doesn't matter that I was on campus every day during the week delivering mail in the mornings to the business office, when we lived on campus, and lived on campus for 4 years, and my inlaws lived on campus so I was at their house at least 3 times a week. Nope, none of that matters. I was at the school 4 times longer than he was. If Robert states that he knows more about my life than I do, he assumes everybody is going to believe him and that it makes it so. Well Robert, you are a LIAR. None of that is true, and you know it. Yes, I used the word liar because what you just stated about my campus experience is a lie, outright, blatant lie. You know absolutely nothing about me, my time at HLA, my experiences, or what I did for the school while living there. So quit trying to pretend to everybody else that you know more about me than you do, because you know NOTHING about me. And that's all there is to it. End of story.
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Notice again how when the Mexican Bullfrog is enraged it will begin making nonsensical repetative statements and insist on things no matter what the truth is or the fact that its neighbor does not give a shit.
It usually follows up this approach by refusing to address any questions or issues put to it prefering rather to focus on something no one else was talking about.
Its small brain prevents from ever recognizing the reality of situations, and the best way to capture a Mexican Bullfrog is to simply come up behind it very quickly. The reason of course being the Bullfrog believes if it does not see something occuring it never happened.
Recent studies have shown that the Mexican Bullfrog has a very self inflated view of itself, depsite the fact that it lives alone in its enviornment as no other animals can stand to be around it, it often views itself as the single most creature in the galaxy despite its laziness and ineffectuallness to ever accomplish anything. Researchers believe that the Mexican Bullfrog is masocistic in many respects as it seems to enjoy both hearing about and being involved in infliciting pain.
Researchers have also discovered that the Bullfrog has whats called a selective memory. As it will often times as a way to earn attention from the other animals try to harm them in some impotent way (again studies show the Mexican Bullfrog is one of the dumbest animals in the wild and would die off were it not for the pity of others) yet when confronted or attacked by the offended animals in question the Bullfrog when try to either feign ignorance (its dificult to tell when its faking) or simply pretend the whole event never happened.
If you should happen to come across the Mexican Bullfrog be wary. The Bullfrog is the white trash of the animal kingdom, it often lives in squalor and filth yet presents it as palatial. Its best to ignore the creature as kicking it while easy and fun will only mean you will have to deal with the Bullfrog following you for God knows how long, making its God awful sound and to stupid to understand anything.
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Notice how the Bruce doesnt even get the nationality of the "frog" correct. Never mind the rest of it, since all that other stuff he just typed was bullshit as well and not even worth answering.
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Did you like that Cybie?
Preety creative and hysterical.
Now skipping your usual rants, why dont you answer the points made?
Id be interested to hear your response.
As to your dumb comments..why do we keep going over this?
Cybie you were the envelope stuffer for like nine months. You had no involvement with the students or their daily lives. This has been proven (largely by you) time and again. You knew nothing of what was going on there.
Oh and just for the record (again) you have never caught me in a lie. Ive caught you on several (none of which youve had the courage to admit to despite your claims to never lie). Dont act like you dropped a bomb shell by calling me a liar, because truthfully I just dont give a shit. But if it means so much to you rest assured Cybie you are a liar.
Proven several times over.
Take that to the bank you stupid lying bitch.
:wave:
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On 2006-02-26 16:05:00, SHH wrote:
"Notice how the Bruce doesnt even get the nationality of the "frog" correct. Never mind the rest of it, since all that other stuff he just typed was bullshit as well and not even worth answering. "
Oh but its all so right on the money Bullfrog. You really cant deny it and I doubt others will either.
I mean you claimed I know nothing about you, yet Ive got you pegged.
I find it interesting that you would make such a claim so soon after the last time you made it...followed by the last time I proved you wrong.
SSDD huh Bullfrog?
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Im getting real tired of your immature comments Robert. You dont know me, you will never know me, and you dont know what I was involved with at the school. Your comments are so ridiculous they arent even worth answering anymore. Have fun insulting someone else, Robert. You are boring me and you are completely lying about everything about me. But, whatever, par for the course considering the source. One day you will grow up I suppose. Hopefully sooner than later. :roll:
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And thats the ballgame.
Bullfrog do you cry yourself to sleep?
If I was as pathetic and stupid as you I know I would.
Then again anyone as dumb as you isnt smart enough to realize how dumb they are.
Youre transparent Bullfrog youre so simple and one minded it takes no time at all to figure you out and to see how boring and predictable you truly are.
For example: Youre claiming that Ive somehow lied about the FACT that you had no real involvement with HLA as your job was an envelope stuffer, and the fact that you had little to no interaction with the students or our daily lives.
the next logical step is to ask you "Fine what was your level of involvement? What else did you do at HLA that was a part of the students daily lives?"
Since this is a question you cannot answer because I am correct in my original assesment about you having no involvement, you simply wont answer.
How do I know this?
Am I psychic?
No Bullfrog its just that you do the same shit over and over again.
Make some stupid comment that everyone knows is bullshit, you have it thrown back in your face and questioned, and then you want to change the subject.
Same thing time and time again Bullfrog.
You say my comments are so ridiculous they arent worth answering anymore. But Bullfrog at what point were you answering them?
Ive got a ton of unanswered questions for you if youre in the mood.
On the other hand it sounds like you might be leaving us.
Cant say Ill miss you slob, although you have been amusing and a cheap source of entertainment. I hope you realize that whatever you tell yourself it wont change the truth of the matter. We are right about HLA and the piper is coming to collect. We win you lose. So convince yourself otherwise as you do all things you are afraid of.
Its not like your opinion ever mattered to anyone anyway, and were still right.
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Stuff like this is exactly why these threads always degenerate into a pile of you-know-what. What useful information is being gained by this ridiculous exchange? RobertBruce, don't you have anything better to do than bait SHH and call her names? SHH, don't you have anything better to do than respond? This exchange between the two of you is old already. Get over it. Oh, and before you tell me that "if I don't like it, I can leave," I am still reading this form to try to gain some useful information about the operations and nature of this school. If you all can continue to post relevant information, that would be great. (For an example of a "useful" post, refer to any of Dysfunction Junction's posts.)
I'm sure I'll get some nasty responses from some bagheads, but Christ, I just don't care anymore.
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On 2006-02-27 05:44:00, LMJ630 wrote:
"Stuff like this is exactly why these threads always degenerate into a pile of you-know-what. What useful information is being gained by this ridiculous exchange? RobertBruce, don't you have anything better to do than bait SHH and call her names? SHH, don't you have anything better to do than respond? This exchange between the two of you is old already. Get over it. Oh, and before you tell me that "if I don't like it, I can leave," I am still reading this form to try to gain some useful information about the operations and nature of this school. If you all can continue to post relevant information, that would be great. (For an example of a "useful" post, refer to any of Dysfunction Junction's posts.)
I'm sure I'll get some nasty responses from some bagheads, but Christ, I just don't care anymore."
:nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy:
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On 2006-02-27 05:44:00, LMJ630 wrote:
"Stuff like this is exactly why these threads always degenerate into a pile of you-know-what. What useful information is being gained by this ridiculous exchange? RobertBruce, don't you have anything better to do than bait SHH and call her names? SHH, don't you have anything better to do than respond? This exchange between the two of you is old already. Get over it. Oh, and before you tell me that "if I don't like it, I can leave," I am still reading this form to try to gain some useful information about the operations and nature of this school. If you all can continue to post relevant information, that would be great. (For an example of a "useful" post, refer to any of Dysfunction Junction's posts.)
I'm sure I'll get some nasty responses from some bagheads, but Christ, I just don't care anymore."
Well if you look closely youll see that we (as in others apart from Shh) were discussing the issue about punishment methods and lengths at HLA. I made a comment about things Bullfrog had said previously on the subject. She knows Im right so she refuses to address the real issue out of fear.
That issue being what kind of and for what does HLA punish students for?
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That's all well and good but you've got to admit, shit gets lost in the back and forth between you and Shh. You've got some great things to say when you're not baiting her. You've proven her to be a liar. You've accomplished that, we all see it. Keeping the little ping pong match going between you too really serves no purpose other than both of you needing to have the last word.
Let it go honey. You've won. We all see her for what she is. Let's move along now....please?
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Thank you for returning to the original topic, RobertBruce. I know you have mentioned before that you were made to clean out a dumpster with a toothbrush and move boulders for no reason. What other punishments were you subjected to? And what were some of your alleged infractions that led to punishment?
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Well ditch digging was always a favorite, building projects, dams, of course cleaning the kitchen and other areas around the grounds.
General maintainance around the campus, landscaping, often monotonus pointless tasks. Digging holes for no apparent reason and filling them back in, trying to uproot tree stumps with shovels, that sort of thing.
As far as what got me there? Well if you dont already know I tend to be very....upfront and direct. A trait not appreciated at HLA. I would often call the staff and administration on their bullshit. Thats what usually got me placed there, but it was worth it.
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For an example of a "useful" post, refer to any of Dysfunction Junction's posts...
::kiss::
How sweet!
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On 2006-02-24 09:50:00, juniper2 wrote:
"HLA states that restrictions(Daily) is only for
1 1/2 hours max..."
Hmm.. they must have been trying to say one specific part of restrictions... maybe they meant eating :???:
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According to 'jerk and jerk' the children are only on restrictions for 1 1/2 hours...I would love to have Joe Farrell say that on the witness stand....
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On 2006-04-01 14:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-24 09:50:00, juniper2 wrote:
"HLA states that restrictions(Daily) is only for
1 1/2 hours max..."
Hmm.. they must have been trying to say one specific part of restrictions... maybe they meant eating :???:"
That is accurate for during the week, but definitely not on the weekends.
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No its not...at least not unless there have been major changes.
In which case those students under the previous system would then have a legitimate abuse claim I suppose.
(Again stated again ignored.)
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Restrictions was started at 4:00 pm on weekdays and lasted until 9:30 pm. On weekends however, it began bright and early at 8:30am and ended at 9:30 pm.
Now, Work assignments WERE only about an hour and a half. They were like Zaps. (I dont know if I've seen these mentioned here.) Zaps were a punishment that you got for smaller incidents like swearing or not having your uniform shirt tucked in. You reported in front of the school building directly after school and filed into two lines, male/female, and walked around the lake. It took the entire time between school and dinner and was a serious pain in the ass. Work assignments were for something more serious. And there is really no outline for what they could be assigned for. If you pissed off a staff or proved them wrong, or anything, then a work assignment would just show up next to your name on the list in the dorm after school. Staff usually didnt even tell you when they gave them to you, they just let them be a pleasent little surprise. You'd go and join restrictions for an hour and a half or so until dinner, and help them with whatever they were doing.
Thats the only truth I can find in that statement they made, however work assignments are VERY different than restrictions.
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Lacey, Weekends ended at 9:30 A.M or PM..
You can edit..
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Didn't you forget to tell her to PM you RIGHT AWAY?
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Good one!
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thanks i edited. it was 9:30 PM. Restrictions on weekends was 13 hours long. We never were integrated with general population, and had 1 hour of study time on Sunday night. Also, up until the last few months of my stay there, It didnt matter if your restrictions was over on Friday night. If you were on at all on the weekend, you were on the entire weekend, and you werent off until Monday morning. So even if you were only put on a 3-day "Wake-Up", you could really be serving a 5-day "Fall-In". (I'm assuming you all know what the difference in Wake-Ups and Fall-ins are, so I won't go into it. If you don't let me know and I'll clarify.) They always just told us that the counselor was the one who decided if you got off restrictions or not, and the counselors weren't there on the weekends. But I guess they discovered the amazing invention of the telephone when they changed the policy.
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I know Zaps- but didn't know specifically what the punishment entailed until you explained. I don't know the terms Wake Up and Fall In, or Tables, if that is still used. Do explain.
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not sure what a Table is, I think that was before my time. A Wake-Up is a 3 or 4 day restriction that is for a lesser offense (disrespect, manipulation, etc...) A Fall In, however was a 5 or 7 day restriction bsaed on violating the 3 "Agreements" (Sex, Drugs, Violence if i remember correctly). But that didnt limit the reasons they would put you on. They could make anything fall into whatever category they wanted to, and sometimes create whole new ones!
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Table is the same thing they just changed the terms used.
Zaps have apparently changed as well. During my time you only had to walk from the lodge to the bridge and back.
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Lacey how long ago did you graduate?
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June 04. Not too long ago, but from what I hear from more recent grads, things have changed a lot.
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Oh how I love that word "manipulation."
And just WHO gets to decide exactly what falls into the category of MANIPULATION, so a student can be punished for THAT?
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Were the inmates aware of these websites during your time?
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I wasn't aware of it while i was there, but right after we got out, a lot of us found out about it and started posting. Mostly just immature, angry "fuck HLA" posts... none containing much useful information. More just venting on the escaped situation. But then we all got letters in the mail or emails to our parents about how we were to stop posting inflammitory messages on the internet. I was 17 at the time and my mom told me just to stop. That no more "drama" was needed from this place or anyone concerning it. So I did. But I'm pretty sure its much more widely acknowledged now among students. We appreciate the truth that is uncovered and exposed here.
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What was the justification given to try and make you stop?
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Gosh... it was like a year ago, I dont really remember exactly the words used, but it was something like we were engaging in inflammitory remarks of the school on a site where future parents posted, and if we didn't stop, our parents would get sued (most all of us were minors at that time). It was a mass letter that went out, because right after the Spring 04 grad happened, we pretty much all stayed in touch with eachother, so we all passed around the location of this site.
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Well I guess that makes sense, I mean they've already gotten your money...why not use scare tactics to keep you from telling the truth.
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As in the case of one student as revealed to
me by my child who was a friend of this
individual. Due to a "major" infraction of the
rules said student was sent on a major intervention. This
consited of being sent into the woods at Ridge Creek. This student and two others were forced
to carry a heavy metal pipe on their shoulders
for hours. Meanwhile, the weather was very cold and rainy (as in 30's and 40's) and this one student was wearing only a t-shirt and jeans. The clothes were promptly soaked. In addition these kids were fed around 1300 calories per day. At the end of this "intervention" one kid was very ill with strep.
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Fairly run of the mill story. Numerous inmates had similar experiences.
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On 2006-02-23 07:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
"If you did this in HLA, what would happen? I'm curious. How is dissent and disagreement with policies and theories about treatment?
On 2006-02-23 07:19:00, SHH wrote:
"My husband stood up when a politician was there at the Seed one day and dared to question national drug policy back then. He got severely punished for that one. I cant remember which politician it was."
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This is the same way HLA handles dissent. They punish it - severely - and for as long as necessary to extinguish it.
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Steve why would you drag a 4 month old post out that has to do with the Seed mainly and post it here? you bored or something today?
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Probably because we never got a satisfactory answer out of you or anyone else chamioning HLA's cause. But then again, that's par for the course for you guys.
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Dont look to me to answer questions presented. I neither know the current state of the school nor am I at liberty to discuss questions presented about the school directly. I comment where I have an opinion, but direct questions, youll have to ask someone else. Sorry.
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On 2006-05-30 17:51:00, SHH wrote:
"Steve why would you drag a 4 month old post out that has to do with the Seed mainly and post it here? you bored or something today?"
One, what do you care what I post?
Two, I made no comment about the SEED. I answered a question about HLA.
Three, your comment bumped the thread.
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Bullfrog why still avoid the questions related directly to your own comments?
Also what is this "not at liberty"? Is someone preventing you from speaking?