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Quote from: "psy"
Danny.  You might want to read the most recent page of the rules thread.  Rules have changed. You can't start (or finish) fights anymore.  Discuss the case without attacking others (even if they attack, you, leave that to me) or take your disagreements to Open Free for All.  Wayne already knows the rules have changed and calling somebody a "Moron" is unacceptable outside the Offa, though his post was made prior to the rules change.  I've moved your most recent post to the Offa as a result.

Learn to say "I disagree, and here's why..."  Attaching insults, insinuations, and accusations are unnecessary.

Okie Dokie!!!!

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Open Free for All / Re: poll
« on: April 25, 2013, 05:46:08 PM »
Quote from: "Wayne Kernochan"
Here's something you'll find funny none-ya, I let him do it to stop the abuse. I was tired of it and couldn't take it any more. I could have fought him and took the ring and the paddle and the GM's attached to whatever shit they would have done to me for hitting a staff member, but I just gave up

Ya want a real belly laugh? He was taken out of the house maybe a week after. I hated myself for 30 years for that.

But you see none-ya, when I said what happened., starting in AA in the early 90s, that hate went away, it came back when I took it out of the book, but went away again when I said it here on Fornits. I knew people like you were going to use it against me, but I never thought you would be this vile, but the best thing is that I don't care. I don't hate myself any more.

Whatever hatred drives you to humiliate yourself like this, it has nothing to do with me. Everyone I talk to is shaking their head about you. Whatever it is you hate about me, cool, don't believe what I say, but at least consider the program survivors who were raped in programs and what this little act of yours is doing to them

Have a long life none-ya


Maybe if you would shut the fuck up about this stupid bullshit Wayne everyone would take you serious again. You started this rape crap because I kicked you off a facebook site. Your way of getting back was to once again stoop even lower.
Most of the time I just ignore you because you are seriously pathetic. NO ONE BELIEVES YOU WAYNE!!!
You were my co-admin on this facebook site we created it together. We talked on the phone. You sent me a series of emails asking me to let you write a book I was getting together.
So I guess you allow your rapist this far into your life and also ask him to write his book. Yes, I have 4 emails Wayne sent me asking to write the book we are finished with now.
We all know you will have concocted some bullshit excuse as to why you wanted to come into my life. Oh...that's right, to get information...lol.
Or.....was it some deep psychological reason that only you and your therapist know.
Whatever the reason it is all crap and maybe....just maybe you should stop lying. You started it in 2009 with the Mary Jones car dragging incident (which you told me was bullshit) and you have moved up the chain of fabrications since then.
STOP!!!!

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Quote from: "Wayne Kernochan"
This was a media trial. Mike was convicted by public opinion and the media pushed the confession. Frank Garr wanted me to testify and sent me to see John Benedict because I told him that everyone heard Mike confess to the crime. When I saw Mickey Sherman, I told him the reason why, which is that he was beaten and he said it every time he entered or left a room. It was on his sign. Mickey Sherman said that Mike never admitted it, which was false. He said it many times. Anyway, neither side wanted to hear the truth.

Because Elan routinely beat and coerced false confessions from us, nothing from an ex resident or staff should have been admissable. The fact they were messing with thought reform and indoctrination as therapy should render any information garnered from Mike's stay at Elan null and void

But hey, Danny has a gut feeling. Everyone can go home. Nothing to see here.

Actually, I think Danny's feeling is the greatest piece of evidence that Mike is innocent. That moron couldn't pick the winner of a one horse race


Yessiree...you are on a one man insulting run, aren't ya now.
I thought most people go by their gut instinct. But I guess if you are sitting on your butt all day waiting for others to do for you what you could do for yourself, I could see you making such foolish comments. You are not getting any younger Wayne...go outside.

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Quote from: "psy"
Quote from: "Che Gookin"
So what are the chances the old conviction gets overturned?
I'm not all that familiar with the case, but based on what I know, i'd say it's unlikely.  Trying to convince your average Joe that he was somehow coerced into making a confession requires more than a short lecture by Richard Ofshe, as good as he is.  People just don't understand coercive persuasion and most don't want to understand.  Most want to believe free will is inviolable and anything that threatens that assumption is too dangerous to consider.  Most will see him as troubled, having been put in a place for troubled kids because of that, and having gotten what he deserved.  The concept that in order to graduate from many programs you not only have to confess to things, but also believe them is just too foreign.

Psy, if you were to read the newspaper and magazine articles and the books written about this case you will see that Elan or the program (can't remember right now) he went to before Elan, there is very little talk about them. This murder took place (1975) 3 years earlier then when he got to Elan and he wasn't convicted until (2002) 27 years later. Coleman and Higgins admissions were just a part of the overall base of damaging evidence compiled against Mike.

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Quote from: "Wayne Kernochan"
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Idiot Child Wrote:
Why would Tommy kill someone so brutally that he was sleeping with. He took her away from Mike, he had her that night....are you really this inept when it comes to this murder or are you on another one of your fishin expeditions. Looking to plagiarize again Wayne..poo.

You're a caveman, you know that? No wonder they didn't want you to testify. I can see you on the stand "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, why would Tommy kill her? She was putting out"

Sex had nothing to do with it. You couldn't possibly understand because you're sick, you don't experience emotions correctly. You see, the rest of us experience this thing called Love, and love can definitely cause people to kill like that.

Unlike you, we don't break people down to commodities. "I can fuck her, she's a keeper" We develop relationships based on love and passion

Maybe she broke up with him and wanted to be with Mike. Maybe she was conflicted and didn't want to have sex any more.

You also don't seem to comprehend the law. We don't convict even guilty people without evidence and we certainly don't take away their life because of tainted evidence. Anything they considered evidence that is attached to Elan is tainted. Elan tainted everything and everyone it touched.

Have a long life Dan

Jeesh.......what a beautifully scripted drama filled post. Wayne you are only one here to actually get sent away for molesting someone, so please spare us all the lesson on gender relations.
I will spell it out for you because as we can see you are more interested in making points here by insulting me with ridiculous accusations then sticking with the topic.
Tom didn't have an issue with Martha (that was ever brought out) that would bring about a psychotic episode like the one that killed Martha. Mike did have a psychotic episode that night, brought about by Martha's rejection and his brothers one upmanship, Tom knew Mike adored Martha and wanted to be with her and he took his brothers feeling and shoved them up Mike ass. So Mike went about to get his revenge and he picked the weaker of the two and also the one he felt really betrayed him the most.
Mike and Tom changed their stories concerning the timeline of there events that evening. I believe Tommy did this to help his brother but in the end it damn near implicated him.
Let me state also that this is my opinion, of course I have no facts, just what I experienced for a short period of time with Mike and what has been reported from the trial, witness accounts, books and magazine articles.

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Quote from: "Sum-Ya"
Danny do you need a hug?  :hug:

Thanks...big fella...... :notworthy:

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Open Free for All / Re: Art is a spineless fool
« on: April 21, 2013, 11:11:43 PM »
Quote from: "YV23"
Sounds like a plan. I wish I could be there  :notworthy:


One problem with that plan...you need money, the ability to get off your fat ass and motivation that lasts longer than 2 minutes.
Wayne has none of the above. All Wayne has is his fingers and a borrowed laptop...poor fella.
He wants so much but he just doesn't have the pedigree nor authenticity.

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Quote from: "Wayne Kernochan"
Quote from: "Che Gookin"
Nope, not him either. Like I said, I have fairly good proof of who did it or is doing it. They weren't terribly clever about how they went about it. I won't tell you specifics but when you use a free internet fax service it leaves the bloody IP address on it.
Like I said, I couldn't care less. It doesn't affect me. If it affects Heal, then I would, but she doesn't seem to mind

As far as the trial, here's an interesting fact. Why didn't Tommy testify in the first trial? If he was falsely accused for 20+ years, it would have shown how inept the investigators are and how they ruined an innocent man's life, but he didn't because he did it

If they had done that to me, I would have jumped at the chance to say it in court, but only if I didn't do it. I'd also like to know why they sent the guilty brother to a place that would beat a confession out of him. They knew what Elan was doing. The Kennedy's were neck deep in the Huuman Potential Movement and thought reform.

I'd also like to hear from Charlie Avanango. He was flown into Maine in the middle of the night and Joe Ricci picked him up in the middle of the night, which he never did. That was on Halloween, the day after Martha was killed. His mother said i n front of a witness that he should never talk about that girl

Slim, I know, but there are a few people who say he was the one who killed her


Why would Tommy kill someone so brutally that he was sleeping with. He took her away from Mike, he had her that night....are you really this inept when it comes to this murder or are you on another one of your fishin  expeditions. Looking to plagiarize again Wayne..poo.

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Quote from: "Matt C. Hoffman"
none-ya  you sure you don't have a little of that Danny Bennison in Ya.

Never took meds and sorry you feel that you have to involve yurself in something that you have no clue about unless of course you are a little bit danny -lol.

 The idiot r funny.

You are going to love my next ruminating post of--  let us just say for sake of arguement  that the elan folks like Kruglik ,Gottlieb and MCCann and Ricci  and   other  elan employees actually believed that  Mike was guilty .....wouldn't that make etal (all of them ) guilty of being accessory to murder after the fact.  I mean hell if they so believed like their boy Danny Bennison did that he was guilty  and he believed it deep down into his intestines like he has said , then why not go to the police with this info, and not be complicit in covering up this alledged murder - Ooooooh  

This goes way beyond obstruction of justice a crime that  are certainly guilty of and  they  did  this crime- of obstruction of justice -  when ever there was any inspection on the elan property by any States inspector -you know how they controlled the floorshow and only let the inspectors see what they , the Owner  Joe Ricci ,and his henchmen that helped him run it ,wanted them to  see.

In other words non-ya they hid the truth about elan from the inspectors ,ever wonder why none-ya ?  

Believe me it will be more wordy and descriptive  than this and I know that you all just  can't wait ,lol.


Matt, put the bottle down...slap yourself twice (IDK where) and wake the fuck up!!! I was subpoenaed to a grand jury....so yah I was with the police, prosecutor and judge. These two, Matt and Wayne, are two of the stupidness towheads I have ever met.
I never had any proof!!!

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Quote from: "none-ya"
No doubt he's off his meds.

Yes, he is off his meds and back on the bottle. Matt usually doesn't start drinking till later in the evening but I guess someone or something must have triggered a bender. Poor fella, he goes to all the AA and Anti AA sites and posts. He is on the Orange Papers Forum as John BarleyCorn, you can definitely see the similarities in writing. Wayne Kernochan calls himself SandyB on the Orange Papers Forum.
None Ya reading Matt's long incoherent posts on the OPF are hilarious. He thinks he is this gifted writer.....lmao!!!

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Matt, your problem is you are a show off. You enjoy writing these long redundant responses to me. Whatever I write is my truth which therefore is the truth. I don't lie or fabricate unlike your friends Matt.
What I wrote about Mike is my opinion, don't like it don't read it.
Try relaxing Matt, don't be so long winded. It makes you look like you are insecure, ya know struggling to make your point.
You take care.....:)

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Quote from: "none-ya"
I'll probably regret asking this but since I did not go to elan,I have to ask. Were the Kennedys large supporters of elan? Financial or otherwise? Were they ever there? They had to have somebody on the inside (right?) Seems like their money could have gone a long way.(if you get my drift)


The short version is no. They wanted to stampede the initial investigation and the Sutton Report was do out and it was damaging. Plus Mike wasn't cooperating by being a good child and not drawing attention to himself. So they shipped him off, Joe Ricci had a fat ego with no morals to speak of, what better place to hide Mike. Of course this is just my opinion....:-)

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Quote from: "liarsexposed"
Quote from: "DannyB II"
I would say that the confession he made to "ONE EX-RESIDENT" will be very hard to dismiss. It was made late at night between two people. Mike initiated the engagement with this person. It seems that everyone either is unaware of this confession or chooses to ignore it. It is compelling and goes to the heart of the case against Mike. Ofshe is not going to persuade anyone to throw this confession out. Mike wanted to tell someone else other than his brother.
You are making a bigger fool of yourself than Wayne could possibly make Danny.
Mike never confessed to anyone. I dont care if you did his Intake assessment. Did he confess to you ?
He did not
and you think Higgins or Coleman are credible ?
You are talking about things you know nothing about = again/still
what good could possibly come from that statement?
Beyond you're Opinion?


Art, thanks for your response but I'll have to disagree...on all counts.. :)
This is what I will say and if you (Art) have a different opinion fine but I am also entitled to mine.
The one ex-resident I am referring to who testified at the grand jury, I found this person to be very credible. I spent 2 days with him (well actually there was 4 of us who spent time together for 2 days, we all had gone to √Član). If I can remember there were more than that who came before the grand jury but I did not see them just heard from others about them.
I have an idea of Mike's guilt because I interviewed him, I know the credible witness I am referring to now since 1998 (15yrs) and I have (think...lol actually i know) Mike stumbled through his testimony on the stand as to whether he did confess to this person I am referring to. Just like Mike stumbled through his lies concerning where he was that night he killed Martha.
So as far as your comments above Art, I have no idea why you say the things you do but you are definitely entitled.
Take care Art.

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Quote from: "Matt C. Hoffman"
Quote from: "liarsexposed"
Quote from: "DannyB II"
I would say that the confession he made to "ONE EX-RESIDENT" will be very hard to dismiss. It was made late at night between two people. Mike initiated the engagement with this person. It seems that everyone either is unaware of this confession or chooses to ignore it. It is compelling and goes to the heart of the case against Mike. Ofshe is not going to persuade anyone to throw this confession out. Mike wanted to tell someone else other than his brother.
You are making a bigger fool of yourself than Wayne could possibly make Danny.
Mike never confessed to anyone. I dont care if you did his Intake assessment. Did he confess to you ?
He did not
and you think Higgins or Coleman are credible ?
You are talking about things you know nothing about = again/still
what good could possibly come from that statement?
Beyond you're Opinion?

I find this also to be very compelling - Danny Bennison you can  wave your flag of a subpenoa up and down the street all day long, though you must remember that you went because you subpenoaed but you wrote that you were not called to testify. you wrote that Danny Bennison -That is just a small part of a long list of lies that have sprung from your finger tips as you type your nonsense.

It is retorhical because I know you are incapable of telling the truth -but were you prepped by the directors who hand picked you as an adult employee of the elan program, as to what to ask and how to ask questions of  mike Skakel during your so -called intake interview. Do you think at any time your bosses could have induced preconceived notions  in you as to Mike Skakel's guilt by  the men who directed you to get your gut feeling about Mike Skakel .

and being the good employee did you give your bosses the "gut feeling" that they were seeking. As I said it is all retorhical.

I always thought that pedigree was reserved for dogs


Matt, kinda suffers from the same thing Wayne does because of his dislike for me but Matt can be reeled back in with common sense.
Matt, if you were to read all of my posts on this subject you would see where I also wrote of the contentious relationship i had with Frank Garr and the prosecuting attorney (during the grand jury hearing). They wanted to make more out of my intake exam with Mike than was there. They wanted to make more out of my conversations with Rushton, The Sutton folks and Joe Ricci than were there.
So once I left Bridgeport Ct. after the grand jury hearing I never went back. I told them I would not testify because I had nothing concrete to give them. All I had was my gut feeling and I still stand by that.
See guys isn't this fun when you sorta ask a question from someone (you hate) and they reply with an answer. This way we don't have to depend on your opinion.

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Quote from: "Wayne Kernochan"
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Danny Bennison said

When Michael finally came back to start his residency and was subjected to the abuse he went through at first I felt he deserved this (I know this is sick on so many levels) because I believed he knew who killed Martha (I still do)


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Wayne Kernochan wrote:
So, because you "believed" he knew who killed her, Mike deserved to be abused.

Then you were ready to testify against him even though the statement was beaten out of him

You were a piece of shit then and you're a piece of shit now

Die

So, now you've gone from believing he knew who did it, to he did it

Why don't you leave justice to the people who know right from wrong?



Wayne I am so happy that your job in life has nothing to do with investigation, forensics, or the ability to decipher what someone is saying. Because you suck.
Wayne's typical MO, take what someone he doesn't like says and give it his interpretation. Than take that opinion and use It against said person in subsequent conversations.
The abuse I am referring to that Mike endured was the same abuse Art, Matt, myself and others endured. IDK if Mike was put in the ring for the sole purpose of beating a confession out of him. If this is a fact, well that is just fucked up.
So ya see...that was easy Wayne. All you have to do is ask someone what they meant.

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