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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on April 09, 2007, 07:22:43 PM
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I won't excuse my decision to become a "referral agent" with anyone elses actions, I only hope to offer you some insight into how this became in the first place. After all, with all the inconsistent bullshit that surfaced about the kind of person I am, and after all the alliances formed against me, I had two options. I could look stupid and stop what I had already set in motion, or follow through, see it out, and see what happened. I now look back and see how stupid I was to let other people's opinions dictate my own actions. I really felt pressure like I had to keep going to support my ideas and my newfound idea for a "new kind of program", though their probably all the same...
For those of you unfamiliar with this topic (I don't see how that's possible if you visit this forum), here are the events that unfolded since there will no doubt be so much speculation I won't even be able to stomach it all.
1. Kevin August meets Jimmy Pearce (Employee from Magnolia Christian Center) around december or january, im not going to look at when this was.
2. Kevin decides to try out an non formal and non binding agreement w/ no contract with MCC to see where it goes and find out if smaller schools with a slightly different approach can make any difference in teens lives.
3. Little happens over the course of 3 whole months (referring), while "activists" like TSW of Fornits, Angela of the Liberal Terrorist Organization HEAL, and ExitPlan and Dan the Chainsaw man (CAICA) rage on about how terrible of a person Kevin is, Jimmy is belittled and badmouthed about spanking teens with a paddle, though parents are clearly given the option of not using this as option which is still allowed by MS legislature. The aforementioned parties decide a crusade is best to stop the problem and use their personal time to write messages about Kev and Jim.
4. A personal war wages on over mostly nothing for a lengthy period of time, yielding no results from the propaganda and boycotting tactics of several teen youth "organizations" (if you can call them this). Antiwwasp remains stronger than ever and increases it's total forum post count to almost 2,000, far outnumbering most sites of it's kind.
5. CAICA folds under the pressure from other groups to enact some kind of statement and uses it's democratic power to come to a stalemate on the vote as to whether or not to ban my site, i really dont know about this one, it was Chainsaw Man's idea so you know it's useless. Lots of progress there...
6. Kevin gets tired of the pressure and calls it all off.
7. Kevin laughs at the fornits spinoff known as torturedkids.com. What were you guys thinking? It's not as easy as it looks is it? You have more rules over there than spring creek and antiwwasp combined.
Unfortunately or fortunately, however you see it, I have no results to report as I never profited or made any money from this short lived experiment, though several parents contacted me for help, I never did more than forward 2 emails with the parents contact information.
I think this is valuable information though because it shows that anyone with a small stake invested in the internet (ie. a website), can influence parents with just a few paragraphs saying one thing or another. I'll never neglect my responsibility to remain in opposition to these increasingly popular advocate/referral alliances. I decided instead of perpetuating this problem I should seek to unite smaller groups into larger ones, it may be the only hope of our combined voices being heard. Several people I'm not too happy with still, but as I'm asking forgiveness for myself, I'll have to do the same for those of you who blatantly lied about me (you know who you are and it doesn't phase me at all).
I think I'll apologize here and now for anyone who was troubled and alarmed by my decision to start referring parents to programs. It was a decision inconsistent with my actual goals for antiwwasp and it's affiliated websites. I hope to re-align myself with any site administrators willing to overlook my poor judgment and impulsive thinking in this matter, as I have by the time of posting this removed the html files from the teenshelp.us web server. It will remain down and will never again be used for the purposes of making referrals to parents or aiding in the decision making process of parents. I really apologize.
After apologizing I find myself with little else to say, except that I was never forced into doing this, I am responsible for my actions, I'm admitting I was wrong, I hope you all move on now that you have what you wanted at the beginning of this problem. If you'd like to continue to battle me and give WWASP and programs like it more power by fighting among ourselves instead of uniting for at least some common problems, I won't object to it if you find yourself that enthralled in achieving making life hard for me. I really see no reason to post about this again, this was just a statement to quiet the masses of those who doubt me, though I made a mistake I hope it wasn't one too grave to forgive, and I look forward to writing more progressively moving information to keep people informed about this problem. Thanks go out to bill and schuyler for their unwavering support for me and AntiWWASP, even when they had to question themselves at times to do so. - Kevin August, administrator of AntiWWASP.com
PS. I don't think anyone has ever done this (apologize at fornits), but I'm interested to see who makes the first post and humiliates themselves by belittling my genuine apology. TSW i'm awaiting your response first and foremost since you are in some ways the leader of this small rebellion against me, this is my ceasefire unless you're not satisfied.
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Kevin August,
Have you discussed Judge Roybean/Jimmy Pearce's many postings on various teen websites, where he makes posts of a sexual nature to young, young teen age girls? Do you find this proper behavior for a grown man in his mid-50's who is the "leader" in a CHRISTIAN facility for boys?
Have you viewed this man's MYSPACE account, that shows a picture of a nude young male as one of his MySpace "friend?"
Have you read the postings made by Jimmy Pearce that have been posted here on fornits; and observed his crude, vulgar, sexual language directed at these teenagers?
If you have, and you still support this man and the school where he works, then you still have problems you need to address.
Why haven't these issues regarding THE JUDGE been addressed on Anti-WWASP, where this man posts regulary?
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3. Little happens over the course of 3 whole months (referring), while "activists" like TSW of Fornits, Angela of the Liberal Terrorist Organization HEAL
Wooh I love that one... TERRIST!!!! They hate our freedoms!!!!
, and ExitPlan and Dan the Chainsaw man (CAICA)
Way to go guys!!!
rage on about how terrible of a person Kevin is, Jimmy is belittled and badmouthed about spanking teens with a paddle, though parents are clearly given the option of not using this as option which is still allowed by MS legislature. The aforementioned parties decide a crusade is best to stop the problem and use their personal time to write messages about Kev and Jim.
And it worked! Once again, good going guys.
5. CAICA folds under the pressure from other groups to enact some kind of statement and uses it's democratic power to come to a stalemate on the vote as to whether or not to ban my site, i really dont know about this one, it was Chainsaw Man's idea so you know it's useless. Lots of progress there...
I guess you should have paid CACA off like a certain other traitor.
7. Kevin laughs at the fornits spinoff known as torturedkids.com. What were you guys thinking? It's not as easy as it looks is it? You have more rules over there than spring creek and antiwwasp combined.
Different purpose.
I'll never neglect my responsibility to remain in opposition to these increasingly popular advocate/referral alliances. I decided instead of perpetuating this problem I should seek to unite smaller groups into larger ones
unite smaller groups into large ones... good definition of an alliance there.
Several people I'm not too happy with still, but as I'm asking forgiveness for myself
Well.. as far as i'm concerned, you aren't sorry.. so no. go fuck yourself.
I think I'll apologize here and now for anyone who was troubled and alarmed by my decision to start referring parents to programs. It was a decision inconsistent with my actual goals for antiwwasp and it's affiliated websites. I hope to re-align myself with any site administrators willing to overlook my poor judgment and impulsive thinking in this matter, as I have by the time of posting this removed the html files from the teenshelp.us web server. It will remain down and will never again be used for the purposes of making referrals to parents or aiding in the decision making process of parents. I really apologize.
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Well that was better... But calling HEAL a liberal terrist organization.. hmm... Ain't seein the sincerity there. You admit that you're wrong.. and yet you condemn others for fighting you on it... What others decide to do is thier issue, and I have other assholes to fry, but if I was in the situation of an ex-WWASP inmate... I would probably tell you to go fuck youself and go elsewhere to fight WWASP. Never trust a traitor. I wouldn't want an ally I couldn't trust (one that has already shown the willingness to blend personal profit with advocacy... a bit like Sue Sue, and CACA)... It's a slippery slope, you went down it, and as far as i'm concerned, only pulled out becuase you were getting your ass righteously kicked. I don't think you would be here apologizing if you were successful in your endeavors. I think the most honorable thing you could do at this point is give up ownership of anti-wwasp to somebody a little more trustworthy. Furthermore, you have a really really shitty lack in judgement (Jimmy Pearce). If i was allied with you, I would consider that a huge liability.
So it wasn't TSW to shit on you first. If I didn't have finals during the time this was going on, you can bet i'd be there slamming you too.
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By CAICA he actually means CAFETY. I'd rather choke myself out than post on any board hosted by CAICA.
Dan the Chainsawman is Three Springs Waygookin.. didn't realize that was some secret. I thought I had made it plain again and again.
I need an apology from Kevin like I need a 3rd eye ball. I do however want him to refrain from aiding the illegal incarceration of children. This he has agreed to stop doing so I'm off to go find something else to do. The whining and such isn't much my concern. I didn't expect anything sincere from him in the first place.
Like I said in the other thread Kevin has had his 15 minutes of fame and its time to move on. His day in the sun is over.
Time to forget about him.
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So it wasn't TSW to shit on you first.
Actually when all of this broke out 3 months ago I was preaching moderation and such. It certainly wasn't me who shat on him first. Though I haven't been shy about not letting this matter drop either.
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You guys, he apologized, he made a mistake and admitted it. Why not do the decent thing and accept the apology........ :cry: :o :lol: :x
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I need an apology ...I need a 3rd eye ball... I ... want him ... aiding the illegal incarceration of children....I'm off to go find something else to do...whining and such isn't much my concern.
That's horrible!
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Enough w/ the brow beating, guys. Look, I'll make a confession and also claim some good sense and real wisdom. When I bailed from straight, not only did I not fight it, I turned down an invitation to join a suit. Wasn't that I didn't care about what happened in the intervening years it's that 1) I didn't know what would happen, I thought they were just a small band of crack pots who would self destruct w/o my help and 2)I was confused, addled, scared shitless of these people who had somehow taken over a good deal of real estate in my mind and I didn't think I could go back there and return with my sanity. (no, that's probably the first reason... I remember thinking "my sanity, some money.... my sanity, a shot at some cash...." It was a weighty decision, I already had a baby to house and feed and cloth by then)
Kevin, I think you just got pushed by someone who's very adept at pushing just the buttons you have in place and who's very convincing because he's a zealot. Take some time, get back in school if you're not already, think things through.
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Fair enough Ginger.
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So in the general spirit of things:
Here is to another person seeing the light and coming to his senses:
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I had two options. I could look stupid and stop what I had already set in motion, or follow through, see it out, and see what happened.
You chose to put kids at risk, instead of "looking stupid" which was your real mistake. It wouldn't have made you "look stupid" to stop your referall business, actually it would have made you look very intelligent and willing to reevaluate your decisions. Admitting a mistake does not make you look stupid. I am glad you finally realized it, but in the future you should be less concerned with how you look, and more concerned with doing what is right.
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I'm writing a Dylan-esque folk song to commemorate this fine occasion, a number called "The Ballad of Catman and Poochie".
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I think it's funny how you feel righteous like you just liberated Iraq or something. You can act like the pressure you applied to me made a dent in my visitor counts and the activity going on in my forums, but the truth remains, nothing changed from your rediculous tirade of self absorption. You would fight cheese if you didn't like it TSW or Dan or whoever the hell you are. Do you really think I've read your other posts to figure out you have two different names? You don't deserve that much time from anyone.. I love that you've bestowed me the honor of renting out your sig on fornits, what can i say, im honored to be paid so much attention from someone who says my 15 minutes is over.
I almost want to spite your disrespectful attitude by putting TeensHelp back up, and then dedicating it in your honor. A real man would have moved on already, but you chose your fight and I told you I wasn't going anywhere if you needed to find me.
This is a point in my life to rebuild, but I would put money on the fact that your little website (yes the new fornits you've created with umbra), will ultimately fail. Where's your little butt buddy Milk Gargling Cum Guzzler when you need him to help out with his technical prowess?
Are you not the same person who was going to donate to Antiwwasp (up to the very day that TeensHelp was created) and the same person who talked to me about Prosser football? If you can't see how stuck you are on the fact that I burned you (by creating teenshelp) a few months ago, then you really are being a bit foolish. Don't patronize me with "I'm sticking up for the kids", because it's getting old. You're not doing shit for anyone besides creating drama. Drama whore, just quit talking so I don't feel the need to neglect real responsibilities to deal with your fundamentally flawed set of personality traits.
If you really want it I guess we can go back and forth, I have more important things to do but I'm getting tired of how you push people around. One thing is certain, I'd make sure that webserver of yours is nice and tight, wouldn't want anyone who knows what they are doing to sneak in and deface your new haven of liberation.
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Answer the question, KEVIN,
What do you plan to do about having a PERVERT like the JUDGE/Jimmy Pearce posting all over Anti-wwasp?
This guy seems to love kiddie porn talke, and naked pictures of little boys.
Talk your "fight" with TSW to PM...no one cares!
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I thought this was the place to fight... That's all that ever occurs here. Progressive discussions seem to be a thing of the past of fornits. I don't control what people post at antiwwasp, I'm not a dictator nor have I ever been. I won't remove Jim's access to my forums due to your interpretation of the kind of person he is on myspace. How fucking dumb are you guest? What if the president had the ability to revoke your right to speak somehow? Jesus, u moron...
What he does is no longer my concern, as I see it he has enough problems as it is with people like you turning a snowball into an avalanche. He has admitted his involvement in the paddling of a student, WHEN A PARENT HAS GIVEN THAT AUTHORITY... Since this practice is allowed by law in MS, unless you vote there, you can't change this nor can I. How about you focus on what you can do...
What would it accomplish for me to delete his posts?
I will inform you that his access to a hidden part of the forums that very few people have access to, has been revoked due to a vote that took place yesterday with my moderators.
I would also like to tell everyone that I have denied a request from Magnolia yesterday to continue to refer to them should they change their "paddling" policy which isn't very important to their facility in the first place.
I have inspired change which is good, so perhaps they will change this policy and move on. What have you done to help our youth lately guest? I've would estimate I've informed more than 200,000 parents seeking more biased info about WWASP since July of 05. I've also by some accounts just made a program a bit safer for some teens in MS. They will be watching their asses for sure now, even if this whole thing had to blow up in my face to accomplish this. You all talk but where is the action? I'm out here doing something...
What most people don't know is that I was working closely with this school to enact some policy changes that I felt would align them more closely with ASTART's guidelines. I have been repeatedly told that the spanking issue is almost non-existant. It was blown out of proportion to fuel TSW's war.
It should make everyone feel good to know that there are spies of sorts on your side, that would be considered by some to be more deceptive than MCC. Several people who posed as parents called the school for more information, hence the paddling discussion. Special thanks to "Yolanda" lol for that email that I had to read. [email protected] or some nonsense is owned by a woman who portrays herself as a parent to gain insight into programs that she feels may be abusive. Very honest people here.
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Thank yous to Yolanda& TSW for bringing the paddling to everyones attention. It was you guys who brought change to MCC, not Kevin. Great job!
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I almost want to spite your disrespectful attitude by putting TeensHelp back up, and then dedicating it in your honor.
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Kevin, ANTI-WWASP has a "hidden part of its forum" that JUDGE/JIMMY PEARCE was a part of?
What is this "HIDDEN PART" of Anti-WWASP, anyway?
Glad this no-good guy was voted out-of-there, whatever it is.
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WOW, imagine that. A "deceptive" person who uncovers abusive practices at some program. SHAME ON THIS PERSON!
Hope no "deceptiv person" ever, ever, ever gets any inside dope on any abusive techniques going on at any WWASP Program, Kevin.
Wouldn't want that to happen, now would you?
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abuse is not the correct word for something legal in that state.
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Paddling is abusive, PERIOD.
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Kev sure throws the word "CAICA" around freely. What's his connection to the referral women Izzy and Sue-Sue?
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I think it's funny how you feel righteous like you just liberated Iraq or something.
My my... Keep those analogies flowing. That one almost made me sneeze coffee.
I love that you've bestowed me the honor of renting out your sig on fornits, what can i say, im honored to be paid so much attention from someone who says my 15 minutes is over.
Naw.. TSW's sig is like the Fornits asshole awards. Congratulations on winning.
yes the new fornits you've created with umbra), will ultimately fail.
It's not new Fornits. It has an entirely different purpose...
Where's your little butt buddy Milk Gargling Cum Guzzler when you need him to help out with his technical prowess?
God DAMN you're dense. :rofl:
I'd make sure that webserver of yours is nice and tight, wouldn't want anyone who knows what they are doing to sneak in and deface your new haven of liberation.
You want to start a war?!?! Try it. You are truly a fool... If you're going to do something like that, you shouldn't threaten it in advance. Idiot. Can you hear the sirens?!?! Listen. You're already a traitor, you want to become an enemy and get ass-fucked like your buddy catman... That's your issue. If you have a problem with TSW, don't take it up with his site. You've already done enough damage to the cause. Nobody is attacking, or threatening to attack, anti-WWASP, so back off and if you want to fight, let's keep it contained.
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Kevin - I never wanted to take part in the badgering of a program survivor; but your stepping out into program referral was ill advised and people were right to call you on it. Trying to advocate while selling programs has been proven to warp ethics, putting others at risk.
Let me ask you something. . . How would you feel about pepper spray Jay paddling students with the parent's permission? You know, just as they explain restraint might be used, and the parents OK that. Keeping in mind, they do promise that the use of restraint (paddeling) is rare and only for the safety (benifit) of the students. Surely they wouldn't lie about such a thing - would they?
You know the answer. So, how is it you can be so sure MCC only uses corporal punishment rarely? And how can you be so sure they aren't beating the kids black and blue?
About this parental permission, which you seem to think makes it all fine and dandy. . . What if they say no? What then? Is it not yet another commonly used form of physical abuse? Something the kids at Thayer or WWASPS ( or any number of others) might remember being subjected to? They force them to exercise - don't they? And do you imagine this is ever anything other than a torment? Do you imagine it is anything other than forcing a teen to suffer pain for pain's sake, as a consequence for non-compliance?
And here you have one of the staff persons lurking on teen forums looking for some cyber sex, at the very least - and you don't think this is anything to worry about? Pull your head out of your ass Kevin. Do you not imagine every vulnerable kid he has access to, is in danger of sexual assault or harassment? Do you not at least acknowledge this is a legitimate concern?
And as for your hateful poke at Yolanda for the decetive work - come on now - How is anyone supposed to learn what kind of spiel a parent gets, with out calling as a parent? I'll tell you frankly, I have advised parents, as well as journalist and investigating agencies, to call and pose as a parent. I like the idea of calling several times; presenting a few different scenarios; kids with different kinds of issues and concerns; and seeing if the program sales staff will insist their program is perfect for each teen. This would mean that they are selling a one size fits all program - which would seem to indicate they are the rankest quacks and frauds. Something worth knowing.
You were wrong Kevin. You made a mistake. Admit it and move on. A few apologies might also be in order.
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"You made a mistake. Admit it and move on. A few apologies might also be in order." - psy... here's my second apology, i'm sorry i don't like the quote function...
What was my first post then exactly psy? Sure i badmouthed the people who did so to me, for which I'm no better. Regardless, I apologized to anyone worth it, I tried to move on and then went against my better judgment to engage in a never ending fight to make my point known. That's what happens here. If I came here with the slightest pussy tone in my words, the results would have been dire, I doubt I would've reposted.
People make their thoughts known, only to be torn down. I never threw a pity party as chainsaw man implies, he just can't take what he dishes out. Talk about being whiny, he is over at CAFETY moaning about how no one wants to join him in his quest to see my downfall. Yet again he proved his predictability, to show no moderation of control over his emotions after I did what many wanted of me. If it doesn't fit his agenda, he won't endorse or compromise, and it is the same bullheadedness and stubborn attitude that will make no difference for anyone. I only speak with him to try to bring him out of the constant dementia he must be suffering from. I've proven myself against the definition of insanity already, yet he shows no desire to make right a wrong situation. He would rather continue to show his might to undermine organizations which he knows to be good, but targets the leader who has nothing to do with the organization (antiwwasp in this case). You can scream that this isn't a personal feud, but I won't believe it...
He'll pretend this is about teen rights, when he has no basis for such an argument. I've already admitted my fault. He'll continue this fight out of sheer stubbornness. His comments focused on me mostly, until he moved on and found a more vulnerable target. Fornits is good for blowing anything out of proportion.
How is TSW better than me? He actually did the abusing, then he wants to point fingers at me accusing me that the two parents whose information was forwarded to MCC, probably ended up enrolling their sons. That's bullshit and a lie and I have no conclusive evidence to prove this theory, nor does he. Stop taking hatred for yourself out on people making a difference somewhere else. Your own experiences dictate the next action you consider, why not make them count for something. You engage me at fornits to change what? My mind? Good luck.
Everyone's mind is so warped into defense mode here that it doesn't do me any good to reason. I attacked a regular, MGDP, and psy came out of the woodwork like clockwork to defend his cyber buddy unless your two people like dan and TSW.
Anytime I post here, no matter how much shit I take, I bring people with me and draw attention to my cause. WWW.ANTIWWASP.COM (http://WWW.ANTIWWASP.COM) Simply having the two topics posted here are helping me but no one understands that.
I'm not going to pretend to know everything about this industry as you all try to do. I say what I think, I'm not afraid of controversy and judgment, I just wish people started to unwind around here. It seems like a huge asset going to waste. The largest forum concerning teen rights and we're still stuck on my apology, is this the progress you're seeking? Perhaps I don't understand the ideology as I'm not very involved here. The majority of you would say no to any program without looking at it, many others would cast doubt or shame upon anyone who doesn't align themselves with your principles. I've never done much here besides a simple advertisement that antiwwasp is still alive, defend my integrity, and diffuse the untruths that surface about me here. What are the rest of you doing? Most of the useful posts that exist in the forum are very old, the new shit is all from a few souls that feel the need to vent years later about a problem they aren't solving or even attempting to.
I'm trying to work against being counterproductive.
As for this never ending discussion about the magnolia employee. What else would you like to know, I don't determine what he does. How can I change his mindset? I have yet to visit his "myspace" which I blame for the downfall of the internet itself (myspace.com, not his page). If someone shows me some hard evidence of foul play, an abuse complaint, a picture of him having sex with minors, or any other legitimately evident proof besides what people say about him; I will take action.
Stop blaming me for someone else. It doesn't work. I was briefly associated with him for 3 months, it didn't work out, it didn't help anyone, I didn't achieve anything, no one was hurt in the process yet you consistently want to bitch about it. Go fucking do something real, or continue to fight something you can't see. Don't forget about it by any means, just take some responsibility or action and leave me alone for this.
I apologize for getting CAICA and CAFETY confused all the time also. My bad. I realize how different the two organizations are.
Visit antiwwasp today to get away from the constant manipulation of the truth that occurs here. I wish you all the best, especially those who saw my apology as courageous.[/quote]
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i meant to quote rude intrusion, mah bad.
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While I welcome the news about you getting out of the referral business, I still feel as though you don't get the concerns expressed here by me and others. When you made the announcement about becoming an ed-con folks here expressed legitimate concerns that you brushed off repeatedly. You may be out of the referral business but you still don't get the reasons why most of us were against it.
As to MCC and Catman, do you realize that what wwasps does in Montana and Jamaica is completely legal right? Kids being beaten and pepper sprayed in Jamaica violates no US law because the US has no jurisdiction in Jamaica. In Montana the regulators can't touch SCL because of it's designation. Does the fact that the law has not caught up with the problem excuse it away or makes the abuse right? No.... So please stop defending MCC's use of paddling by saying it's legal. In addition every abuse you and other wwasps survivors suffered was consented to by your parent/s. Whether they knew about it or not they gave consent to all that you went through when they enrolled you so don't use parental consent as a defense either.
The Catman's life online is not separate from his life at MCC, and that same standard goes for all of us that use the web. If what others have posted is true then judge has some explaining to do considering his position of power over teens at MCC. There should be the utmost energy put into proving or disproving this allegation in my opinion.
Regardless your sincerity is not for me to judge and I won't.....
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To Kevin August:
I will not repeat what was posted to you by Rude Intrusion and Hanzomon 4; but I agree with both of them; and hope you will re-read their posts and LISTEN.
I must emphasize that Magnolia Christian Academy appears to be a poor choice for placement of any child. This facility does not offer an accreditited educational program, or any type of on-site psychological therapy. Parental permission for physical punishment does not make it OK; nor does the fact that it is sanction by the State of Mississippi.
This staff member, Jimmy Pearce, who posts on your website as Judge Roybean posts on several websites and has a My Space account under the user name CATMAN. The fact that he lurks on teenage websites, and has a picture of a nude male "friend" posted is not an allegation---these postings by Jimmy Pearce have been document. These types of postings are inappropriate for an employee at a "school for teen boys," and this issue should be addressed by this man's employer.
Your continued support of Jimmy Pearce is your business; but please do not expect most people to understand, or accept the wisdom of such a decision. I have little respect for a man who talks religion out-of-one-side-of-his-mouth; while he stalks teens for cyber sex, and hits children with a paddle out-of-the-other-side.
Your anger at "Yolanda's detective work in disclosing the physical punishment at Magnolia" is totally misplaced.
Threatning to "deface" anyone's website is cruel, may even be illegal; but at best--it is childish and immature.
I trust that your decision to withdraw from the referral business was reached because you sincerely came to the decision that referring children to programs is simply WRONG.
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:rofl:
This just is the best way to start a day. I've got tears in my eyes from laughing.
Onward!
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TSW: When Kevin August first posted on fornits that he was going into the referral business; TSW came on fornits telling posters to stop bashing this young man so cruelly.
TSW asked posters to give Kevin a chance to "explain himself."
TSW took quite a beating for this stance.
Over on CAFETY the postings I read seemed more fair than Kevin is presenting here. TSW firmly stated that CAFETY should live by the results their votes regarding the Anti-WWASP website.
TSW was firm in his position, but he didn't seem like a bully on that CAFETY site.
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He would rather continue to show his might to undermine organizations which he knows to be good
I can feel the remorse. It's frickin palpable over here.
He actually did the abusing
Yeah. but i believe he was sorry. He didn't know what he knows now. You knew, and went into referrals anyway. Sorry, but in my book, you are, and always be, a traitor. What TSW does with you is his business.
then he wants to point fingers at me accusing me that the two parents whose information was forwarded to MCC, probably ended up enrolling their sons.
Well that was your aim was it not. And if you had been more sucessful, i truly do not believe you would be here.
Stop taking hatred for yourself out on people making a difference somewhere else.
I am, but i don't ignore the rest of the world either. Nor should I. Dan, Oz, Niles, and others did what was right
You engage me at fornits to change what? My mind? Good luck.
I was hoping you would be able to explain why what you did was wrong... If you could explain it, you could see why. If your mind was truly changed, if you truly saw referrals as wrong, you would be thanking TSW and the others from making sure you didn't follow Sue's path, helping to expose an abusive program with questionable staff, and . Power corrupts and you are a fool to think otherwise.
Everyone's mind is so warped into defense mode here that it doesn't do me any good to reason. I attacked a regular, MGDP, and psy came out of the woodwork like clockwork to defend his cyber buddy unless your two people like dan and TSW.
dan IS tsw you utter tard. And yeah, i consider TSW a friend.
Anytime I post here, no matter how much shit I take, I bring people with me and draw attention to my cause.
well that's kinda what ppl here are afraid of. What is your cause exactly?
The majority of you would say no to any program without looking at it
see... that shows me you aren't truly sorry. What good is an apology if it's bullshit.
defend my integrity
See above
What are the rest of you doing? Most of the useful posts that exist in the forum are very old, the new shit is all from a few souls that feel the need to vent years later about a problem they aren't solving or even attempting to.
Some people don't have the strength to fight. As for me, what i do is kept private since i do not feel like publishing my plan of attack for all to see. Go ahead and say "oh.. you're lying.. you're reallly not doing anything"... well others here know otherwise. There are a few people around who I would trust with sensitive information.. You??? haha. You might think "well ... oh gee.. it's not WWAASP... it must not be so bad... why are you trying to shut it down... you shouldn't be doing this..."... maybe make a few bucks off referrals.. who knows. i'd rather not risk it.
I'm trying to work against being counterproductive.
Well you certainly have shown that ability recently.
As for this never ending discussion about the magnolia employee. What else would you like to know, I don't determine what he does. How can I change his mindset? I have yet to visit his "myspace" which I blame for the downfall of the internet itself (myspace.com, not his page).
You never bother to investigate employees of the schools you would refer to ... WHAT THE FUCK WERE YOU THINKING YOU DUMBSHIT...
If someone shows me some hard evidence of foul play, an abuse complaint, a picture of him having sex with minors, or any other legitimately evident proof besides what people say about him; I will take action.
The posting about sex on a teen forum not enough? come on ...
Stop blaming me for someone else. It doesn't work. I was briefly associated with him for 3 months, it didn't work out, it didn't help anyone, I didn't achieve anything, no one was hurt in the process
Time will tell. A certain ST parent was considering sending her kid to that school. I talked her out of it... I wonder how she got the idea to send her kid there. How many others?
constant manipulation of the truth that occurs here
Oh dear... he's already using the M word...
Look.. You aren't my target #1... you are actually quite far down the list of assholes to squash, so i really don't care what happens to you. Your little startup has been blasted to pieces, and you can go find a corner somewhere to hide your disgraced ass... I really don't care. I care that anti-WWASP stays up and running, but i don't think many people on that site would trust you anymore (it depends on how they feel about referral people). Maybe you should offer up a vote, on that site... Then abdicate.
I can understand how you fell.. You felt that simply because the industry was just too big... and there would always be a need to program you would try your hardest to find the good ones... you're like a slave owner who treats his slaves kindly, hoping to provide a shelter of kindness in a sick system.. Well you promote the system by participating in it. If you don't think you can beat the industry... fuck it shouldn't matter.. I don't know if it can be done, but I simply don't care. I know what is right, and among other things, imprisoning a person without due process, for the purpose of modifying behavior (which implies coercion) by whatever means... it's just wrong. You think because they say their Christian they will behave ethically? You don't think they could fool true believers? You're too trusting to be competent. Did you learn nothing about human nature in program. It gets fucking ugly, and looks like roses from the outside...
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Just for the record... I consider skippy's 15 minutes of fame done and finished with. As of right now its just sitting back and watching a really fucked up comedy being played out.
Though I wouldn't be surprised if he has just gone underground with his referral scheme and is doing this to placate the masses.
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Well, just hope Kevin doesn't become Judge Roybean/Jimmy Pearce/Catman's little "friend."
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Here's the nut of it, imv:
This staff member, Jimmy Pearce, who posts on your website as Judge Roybean posts on several websites and has a My Space account under the user name CATMAN. The fact that he lurks on teenage websites, and has a picture of a nude male "friend" posted is not an allegation---these postings by Jimmy Pearce have been document. These types of postings are inappropriate for an employee at a "school for teen boys," and this issue should be addressed by this man's employer.
If Pearce were just a regular old teacher or even principal in a regular old public school, this would be questionable. Not that he has a myspace page, I have one too and a fair number of my friends are children (mine, their friends, program vets, w/e) But that he's pretty openly a playboy looking for young chicks.
Now, Kevin, when you talk about all of us refusing to take on your dharma, searching for the one good and safe Program like Lot searching for that one worthy soul in Sodom, how do you define the term "program"? Because, as far as I can tell, the "programs" we're talking about are of the variety where the clients or students or w/e term you want to use for the inmates are systematically isolated from the real world while the program operators work some pretty brutal mind games honed over the years to undermine the kids' very identities and world views.
Now, in my view, there probably isn't a human being living or passed who's qualified to fuck with one of God's own children in such a way, never mind some old lech such as Jim Pearce.
I'm glad you quit the game. But please don't take it so damned hard. This isn't a pissing contest, though I'll readily admit that too many people play it that way too often. That you came around on this so early in the game makes you better than some, in my view. But please take pause to reflect on how you got taken in so completely and used as a tool by this pervert--literally, think about the nuts and bolts of how it was done. It was done to me too in very different context, but the old bastard knew the program and just how to wind me up and set me spinning like a top. So I'm no better than you, never thought I was.
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Though I wouldn't be surprised if he has just gone underground with his referral scheme and is doing this to placate the masses.
Man, I hope not!