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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on October 25, 2007, 12:35:45 PM
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Behavior Modification
Our behavior modification boarding school program is based on accountability, responsibility, and respect. Boys and girls at Youth Care are expected to treat staff and peers with respect and in return they can expect to be treated with respect. Staff members are trained to apply consequences and provide feedback for students in a respectful manner without demeaning or belittling the adolescent.
Students at Youth Care boarding schools in Utah participate in a level system. Students are rewarded with points given for proper school performance, appropriate social interactions, a good attitude, and compliance with rules.
The immediate feedback helps to reinforce appropriate behaviors and helps the students correct poor behaviors. When sufficient points are earned, students progress in the level system and receive extra privileges.
The students’ level determine the number of activities away from the center the students can participate in, number of passes with parents, extra privileges, etc. One of the purposes of the level system is to help students take responsibility for inappropriate behaviors.
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So basically, the child can lose privileges like seeing their parents for non compliance with rules. That is a recipe for disaster, IMO.
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No credible adolescent mental health program or practitioner uses access to family as a punishment or a reward.
Some months ago, I described my niece's situation and treatment at BCA to the head of family and children's mental heath for a major university. "That does not comport with any standard of mental health care that we teach or practice here in the State of [REDACTED]," he responded firmly.
AuntieEm
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You will only see that at "parent choice" programs. In the rest of society contact between parent and child can't be severed without a court order, and only after it's been determined that the relationship is not in the child's best interest. It wouldn't happen in the "parent choice" warehouses either if parents didn't comply. Listen to the many parents who wish they had followed their gut feeling on this. Parents are the only outside contact these kids have for reporting abuse or inconsistencies in stated policies. Don't ever sever contact with your child. If they won't take your kid under those circumstances, best move on. No legitimate, evidence-based treatment would require such a demand.
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So basically, the child can lose privileges like seeing their parents for non compliance with rules. That is a recipe for disaster, IMO.
I think you might have read thru it too quickly. They never said the children would be restricted from their parents. They indicated they could lose their off campus privileges.
My daughter lost her privileges to go off campus, one time, and it was difficult because we had made plans but it was a good lesson in consequences for ones actions. It in no way restricted us from seeing her, we just had to visit her on campus which turned out to be much more fun. We got to speak to and meet more of the council staff and other students who my daughter had made friends with.
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Look WHO, just because you had no problem complying with restrictive policies controlling visits with your own child, doesn't mean it's right.
Bottom line is if the kid misbehaves in some way, shape or form, the program can take it out on them by any number of ways, including not allowing them to see or talk to their parents AWAY from the program.
Think about it.
Going off campus ALONE with your parent just might be the only way a child is comfortable talking to the parent about the program.
Anyway you look at it, this is just plain wrong.
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Look WHO, just because you had no problem complying with restrictive policies controlling visits with your own child, doesn't mean it's right.
It doesn’t matter if I had a problem with it or not………, just because a kid is restricted to campus because they violated the rules doesn’t make it abusive.
Think about it.
The kids know what the rules are, if it is important for them to speak to their parents off campus they will make dam sure they don’t get the privilege taken away. You don’t give the kids enough credit, they know they will lose the privilege for what they do or maybe they are testing the boundaries.
A person doesn’t have to leave campus to feel comfortable talking to their own parents. There were 400 acres or more of places we could go to to chat. We spent time in her room, alone, ate in the cafeteria one time after the other kids had left.
Again, I see your point in allowing the kids to see their parents, but I think you are making this into something it is not.
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Giving kids enough credit isn't the issue.
It is the program who has all the power.
You, WHO, grossly underestimate this power among other problems you have, such as viewing children as rats who can be trained.
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Giving kids enough credit isn't the issue.
It is the program who has all the power.
You, WHO, grossly underestimate this power among other problems you have, such as
You lost me.
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Informal Phone Calls Two Times Weekly.
If student is not on the lowest level, the students will be given phone time two times per week. Students will get a 10-minute phone call home to discuss happenings at home. This is not the time to discuss therapeutic issues but to discuss happenings.
So ... a kid has to be higher than a Level 1 to be "given" (program speak for awarded") phone privileges.
Therapeutic Leaves of Absence (Pass Times).
Students are given pass times with their parents. The length of pass times is related to the student’s performance in treatment as indicated by their level.
Again, it appears the child's earned level of performance dictates the length of time with their parent.
Question:
How is restricting time with a parent therapeutic?
This level system appears to me to be punitive-based, not rights based.
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How is restricting time with a parent therapeutic?
It's not, IMO. Children should be allowed to communicate with their parent regardless of whether they made their bed correctly, ate all their peas, or ran 20 laps. There are other ways to teach children responsibility than restrict communication with their parent. Remember, these children are already isolated from their family unit.
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How is restricting time with a parent therapeutic?
This level system appears to me to be punitive-based, not rights based.
I don’t think the restricting time is designed to be therapeutic. In the case of my daughter it wasn’t considered therapeutic. The restrictions were in place to insure compliance to the various rules the kids had to follow. Whether a school calls itself therapeutic or not, it needs to have rules and ways to enforce them the same as parents do at home (i.e. restricting access to friends, loss of phone privileges etc.).
Parents don’t consider these to be therapeutic, at least I didn’t.
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One of the first things an abusive program does is restrict access to the parents. The second thing is to interfere with the parent child relationship, such as by telling the kid something bad immediately before the parent shows up to visit. Abusive programs want the parent-child relationship to be bad in order to keep milking as money as possible from the parents.
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How is restricting time with a parent therapeutic?
This level system appears to me to be punitive-based, not rights based.
I don’t think the restricting time is designed to be therapeutic. In the case of my daughter it wasn’t considered therapeutic. The restrictions were in place to insure compliance to the various rules the kids had to follow. Whether a school calls itself therapeutic or not, it needs to have rules and ways to enforce them the same as parents do at home (i.e. restricting access to friends, loss of phone privileges etc.).
Parents don’t consider these to be therapeutic, at least I didn’t.
PV wouldn't even let my step daughter's attorney speak to her in private, until the attorney growled at the idiot therapist to get out, client confidentiality and all that. The DCS and the TN Dep't of Mental Health went to speak with my step daughter, asking questions with a PV staffer present - how freely do you think she spoke to those people? There was NO unmonitored contact with parents, from phone calls to letters to the rare face to face visits.
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One of the first things an abusive program does is restrict access to the parents. The second thing is to interfere with the parent child relationship, such as by telling the kid something bad immediately before the parent shows up to visit. Abusive programs want the parent-child relationship to be bad in order to keep milking as money as possible from the parents.
I am sure you are right but it doesnt mean all programs and schools are abusive. Non abusive schools have rules also.
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Parent Days are held every six to eight weeks at Youth Care. Parents are encouraged to attend these programs. The program starts on Thursday mornings with a variety of activities: conferences, on-site family therapy, parent support groups, and multi-family groups. Parents will have time to visit with the members of the multi-disciplinary team that is treating their child. If the student is on the appropriate level, there will also be time for therapeutic leaves of absence (passes).
Yep, that's right. Therapeutic leaves of absence.
What is this mumbo-jumbo really saying?
Visits with parents are therapeutic?
Jesus Christ, why can't these programs let children see their parents and leave the therapy to the "therapists"?
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So basically, parents are required to visit the program every 6 to 8 weeks. That's got to be good for business in the local community of Draper, eh? Or does Youth Care provide free housing, meals and transportation to and from the airport for the folks?
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Children have the RIGHT to see their parents.
http://www.canadiancrc.com/UN_CRC_webpa ... _Child.htm (http://www.canadiancrc.com/UN_CRC_webpage/UN_Convention_on_the_Rights_of_the_Child.htm)
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Parent Days are held every six to eight weeks at Youth Care. Parents are encouraged to attend these programs. The program starts on Thursday mornings with a variety of activities: conferences, on-site family therapy, parent support groups, and multi-family groups. Parents will have time to visit with the members of the multi-disciplinary team that is treating their child. If the student is on the appropriate level, there will also be time for therapeutic leaves of absence (passes).
Yep, that's right. Therapeutic leaves of absence.
What is this mumbo-jumbo really saying?
Visits with parents are therapeutic?
Jesus Christ, why can't these programs let children see their parents and leave the therapy to the "therapists"?
Well it is technically therapeutic for the kids to see their parents especially when they havent seen them for awhile. Therapeutic can be a relative term also, like a walk in the woods or a day on the beach is therapeutic for some people.
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Therapy = SIBS.
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I think one thing you need to keep in mind as far as visitation goes is the fact if the child is doing poorly, and is on a low level they are more apt to run when taken off campus by their parents. If that child is on a higher level they would think twice before doing something like that because they wouldn't want a loss of privileges.
I think that's pretty easy to understand, isn't it?
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Yes, CCM - it does appear programs are afraid of kids running away which would explain the need for coercion.
Sheesh. For someone who was in several programs you sure don't have much insight. Everything is black or white. Have you thought about getting real therapy? Exploring the possibility that there may be a reason why you seem to be missing an empathy chip?
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I think one thing you need to keep in mind as far as visitation goes is the fact if the child is doing poorly, and is on a low level they are more apt to run when taken off campus by their parents. If that child is on a higher level they would think twice before doing something like that because they wouldn't want a loss of privileges.
I think that's pretty easy to understand, isn't it?
Can we say behavioral modification.... It brainwashes the kids into thinking that they have to fit a certain role. They are not allowed to be themselves. If they think independently, they are going against the mind control.
Kids should be allowed to visit with their families at anytime. They claim it's a family disease, so why not allow the family to be together so they can all heal????
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Parent Days are held every six to eight weeks at Youth Care. Parents are encouraged to attend these programs. The program starts on Thursday mornings with a variety of activities: conferences, on-site family therapy, parent support groups, and multi-family groups. Parents will have time to visit with the members of the multi-disciplinary team that is treating their child. If the student is on the appropriate level, there will also be time for therapeutic leaves of absence (passes).
Yep, that's right. Therapeutic leaves of absence.
What is this mumbo-jumbo really saying?
Visits with parents are therapeutic?
Jesus Christ, why can't these programs let children see their parents and leave the therapy to the "therapists"?
They do let the kids see their parents, off campus and unmonitored. I believe they are called therapeutic leaves of absences because the kids and parents are supposed to work on communication issues they've been talking about in family therapy, and the kids are supposed to practice some specific DBT skills they've been working on. The kids get to pick which skill to work on, and they work out a "agreement" for their pass. Activities that promote family togetherness are encouraged, again the kids get to pick the activities but are prompted to choose activities where they can relate as a family unit. There are rules, but they are bendable at the discretion of family and therapist, and the kids get a fair amount of input, at least that is how it worked for us. sometimes as part of the Parent/Family weekend, everyone does a Ropes Course. The kids were free to participate or not, or just walk away.
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All this marketing and promotional stuff needs to be kept in perspective given this is the same program where a child died in their care and if IIRC, the child's parents didn't even know he was sick.
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All this marketing and promotional stuff needs to be kept in perspective given this is the same program where a child died in their care and if IIRC, the child's parents didn't even know he was sick.
he didn't just "die in their care". They callously ignored his need for medical attention, and were charged with "felony neglect and abuse."
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All this marketing and promotional stuff needs to be kept in perspective given this is the same program where a child died in their care and if IIRC, the child's parents didn't even know he was sick.
he didn't just "die in their care". They callously ignored his need for medical attention, and were charged with "felony neglect and abuse."
When I was admitted into the hellhole I was sent to (Straight Inc.) I had pneumonia and did not receive any real needed medical attention for at least 2 weeks. Then they had some quack doctor come in and prescribe some type of meds. I damn sure did not get the bed rest or anything I really needed. I had to sleep on the floor and go to bed with a wet head which only prolonged my suffering.
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sometimes as part of the Parent/Family weekend, everyone does a Ropes Course
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I think one thing you need to keep in mind as far as visitation goes is the fact if the child is doing poorly, and is on a low level they are more apt to run when taken off campus by their parents. If that child is on a higher level they would think twice before doing something like that because they wouldn't want a loss of privileges.
I think that's pretty easy to understand, isn't it?
Can we say behavioral modification.... It brainwashes the kids into thinking that they have to fit a certain role. They are not allowed to be themselves. If they think independently, they are going against the mind control.
Kids should be allowed to visit with their families at anytime. They claim it's a family disease, so why not allow the family to be together so they can all heal????
Behavior Mod and Brainwashing are two different things. Behavior Modification exists in all our daily lives and is essential to all of us functioning and growing in a society. When you peed in the toilet for the first time and your mom praised you…that’s behavior mod. When you broke that window when you were 8 years old and got grounded…. That’s behavior mod. Brainwashing wears off over time and utilizes a different process. Very few kids go back to diapers after they leave home.
I am not aware of any TBS that doesn’t allow the kids to visit with their families. It would be interesting to learn about which ones prevent this.
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I think one thing you need to keep in mind as far as visitation goes is the fact if the child is doing poorly, and is on a low level they are more apt to run when taken off campus by their parents. If that child is on a higher level they would think twice before doing something like that because they wouldn't want a loss of privileges.
I think that's pretty easy to understand, isn't it?
Can we say behavioral modification.... It brainwashes the kids into thinking that they have to fit a certain role. They are not allowed to be themselves. If they think independently, they are going against the mind control.
Kids should be allowed to visit with their families at anytime. They claim it's a family disease, so why not allow the family to be together so they can all heal????
Behavior Mod and Brainwashing are two different things. Behavior Modification exists in all our daily lives and is essential to all of us functioning and growing in a society. When you peed in the toilet for the first time and your mom praised you…that’s behavior mod. When you broke that window when you were 8 years old and got grounded…. That’s behavior mod. Brainwashing wears off over time and utilizes a different process. Very few kids go back to diapers after they leave home.
I am not aware of any TBS that doesn’t allow the kids to visit with their families. It would be interesting to learn about which ones prevent this.
You actually say things that make sense, how refreshing!
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ugh, its so obviously abusive...i dont know how anyone would want to do this to a kid...its also obviously not "treatment", but about making jr. more compliant....puke
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They limit access to the parents so they can brainwash you and brainwash the parents. They tell the parents that your nothing but a manipulator and not to believe anything you tell them. Then they tell you that your parents will not believe anything you say, and if you say anything bad about the program in front of them than you lose your priviledge of seeing them. Youth are taught that they will not be believed, and that their feelings aren't real. So if the program ends up doing something abusive than it's a lot easier to cover up or gloss over because the teen is just 'lying' so they can get out of the program. These programs are really fucked up. I was in one that had a 'straight like' format. What they do is 'tear you down so they can build you back up again.' They make you paranoid. They make you lie. You lie and act fake, and have to have all the 'right' and 'normal' feelings at the right time so you can move up in steps. You can't always be happy because than you're accused of being fake. But if your sad all the time than your not dealing with your issues. So you have to learn how to alternate the happy and sad times and come across as a well adjusted normal teen(amid being in a fucked up program and living in psychological terror) I learned the hard way. I had my steps taken because I didn't talk enough to the other kids (I'm more of a quiet person anyway) So they accused me of being isolative and not dealing with anything, so there went my hard earned steps just because I didn't 'talk' enough. I finally got out, but I learned how to play their game. It's fucked up. These programs are devoid of love. It's all about confrontation and 'positive peer pressure' and brainwashing. You can't express feelings of sadness, loneliness, fear, or anger; because all that is viewed as either a manipulation or not going deep enough. I had to sit in a corner once for 3 days and was put on a peanut butter diet (water, bread, and peanut butter) because I was 'non-compliant'. The girls at the host home took different shifts at night to make sure I stayed in the corner sitting up. If I laid down the lights went on and the confrontation and yelling started. I saw a lot worse than that happen to other kids, but they told us we could call lawyers or the police but no one would believe us. We had to clean the walls and floors with toothbrushes. We had to constantly be doing something 'productive' or get yelled at by the 'higher steppers'. If you were a higher stepper and weren't hard enough on the 'lower steppers', than you got your steps taken.
These programs are horrifying and need to be shut down. They really cause a lot of psychological damage. When I went in when I was 14. I had experimented with a few drugs like pot and alcohol, you know. I was a rebellious teen but I wasn't an addict. Well they told me over and over again that I was an addict, that I needed to 'get honest'. If I didn't admit to my being an addict then they wouldn't let me move up in steps. Well, when I finally made it out of the hellhole (a year and a half later) that's when my drug addiction really started. I drowned myself in drugs- heavy drugs and didn't understand why until later. It was a desperate attempt to drowned my pain, and to live up to and prove my status as a 'drug addict' I suppose. I don't use drugs anymore now, but I did after I got out. These programs do not help kids, they make the problem worse.
What these kids need is love. Teenagers are confused about a lot of things, but they still have feelings. Their almost like 2 year olds all over again- defiant and rebellious, but yet still so tender inside and easily hurt all the while putting forth a tough exterior. Why the hell would you put your kid in a program like these tough 'love' programs and believe that they are helping them? I just don't understand. I have four kids and not matter how bad or defiant they are, I would NEVER NEVER put them in this type of program or any type and pawn them off for someone else to deal with. Kids need love- bottom line. Sorry for the long post, but gosh it feels so good to get this off my chest, I haven't talked about it in 15 years.
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I enjoyed reading your post.
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I enjoyed reading your post.
That's nice. Wish I could say the same for all 14 plus of your one-liner posts, asshole.
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"I enjoyed reading your post" implies that you're a sadistic fuck who gets off on this shit.
If you want to compliment someone on Fornits, use phrases like "Your well-written post disturbed the fuck out of me", "I was uniquely horrified by your detailed telling of events", and "That was very astute; have you sent it to the GAO?"
All three of those apply here, especially the last one.
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They limit access to the parents so they can brainwash you and brainwash the parents. They tell the parents that your nothing but a manipulator and not to believe anything you tell them. Then they tell you that your parents will not believe anything you say, and if you say anything bad about the program in front of them than you lose your priviledge of seeing them. Youth are taught that they will not be believed, and that their feelings aren't real. So if the program ends up doing something abusive than it's a lot easier to cover up or gloss over because the teen is just 'lying' so they can get out of the program. These programs are really fucked up. I was in one that had a 'straight like' format. What they do is 'tear you down so they can build you back up again.' They make you paranoid. They make you lie. You lie and act fake, and have to have all the 'right' and 'normal' feelings at the right time so you can move up in steps. You can't always be happy because than you're accused of being fake. But if your sad all the time than your not dealing with your issues. So you have to learn how to alternate the happy and sad times and come across as a well adjusted normal teen(amid being in a fucked up program and living in psychological terror) I learned the hard way. I had my steps taken because I didn't talk enough to the other kids (I'm more of a quiet person anyway) So they accused me of being isolative and not dealing with anything, so there went my hard earned steps just because I didn't 'talk' enough. I finally got out, but I learned how to play their game. It's fucked up. These programs are devoid of love. It's all about confrontation and 'positive peer pressure' and brainwashing. You can't express feelings of sadness, loneliness, fear, or anger; because all that is viewed as either a manipulation or not going deep enough. I had to sit in a corner once for 3 days and was put on a peanut butter diet (water, bread, and peanut butter) because I was 'non-compliant'. The girls at the host home took different shifts at night to make sure I stayed in the corner sitting up. If I laid down the lights went on and the confrontation and yelling started. I saw a lot worse than that happen to other kids, but they told us we could call lawyers or the police but no one would believe us. We had to clean the walls and floors with toothbrushes. We had to constantly be doing something 'productive' or get yelled at by the 'higher steppers'. If you were a higher stepper and weren't hard enough on the 'lower steppers', than you got your steps taken.
These programs are horrifying and need to be shut down. They really cause a lot of psychological damage. When I went in when I was 14. I had experimented with a few drugs like pot and alcohol, you know. I was a rebellious teen but I wasn't an addict. Well they told me over and over again that I was an addict, that I needed to 'get honest'. If I didn't admit to my being an addict then they wouldn't let me move up in steps. Well, when I finally made it out of the hellhole (a year and a half later) that's when my drug addiction really started. I drowned myself in drugs- heavy drugs and didn't understand why until later. It was a desperate attempt to drowned my pain, and to live up to and prove my status as a 'drug addict' I suppose. I don't use drugs anymore now, but I did after I got out. These programs do not help kids, they make the problem worse.
What these kids need is love. Teenagers are confused about a lot of things, but they still have feelings. Their almost like 2 year olds all over again- defiant and rebellious, but yet still so tender inside and easily hurt all the while putting forth a tough exterior. Why the hell would you put your kid in a program like these tough 'love' programs and believe that they are helping them? I just don't understand. I have four kids and not matter how bad or defiant they are, I would NEVER NEVER put them in this type of program or any type and pawn them off for someone else to deal with. Kids need love- bottom line. Sorry for the long post, but gosh it feels so good to get this off my chest, I haven't talked about it in 15 years.
Are you talking about Youth Care's program here, or some other one?
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I not only enjoyed the post, I am masturbating to it right now. Fap, fap, fap.
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It was a program based on the Newton Miller model, I think KIDS or kids helping kids... anyway it was in Utah and shut down about 10 or so years ago due to abuse allegations. For awhile I didn't know what the fuck it was I just got out and tried to forget about it but recently my curiousity was aroused when googling the programs name Straight Inc. came up, so I read survivors posts about this program and it sounded so similar to my own experience. The program was essentially the same with a few program 'Jargon' changes. Anyway the program was called proctor advocate and they had a division in Las Vegas too, the founder was Layne Meacom. I'm sure alot of these boot camp programs are still around and they need to be shut down. I wish I knew how I could help. Any ideas?
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The reason they don't let kids see their parents until they are further along in the program, is that by that point they are fairly certain that the child is mentally damaged enough that they are unable to advocate for themselves, and it is safe for them to have unmonitered accesss to the parent.
Similarly, a woman "carol smith" (not real name) was abducted by a couple, edmund kemper and his wife, brainwashed through isolation, painful consequences, isolation, and constant labor. After they "trusted" her she was allowed to go out to the streets to beg, she even got a job, but would always return. She beleived that she was a "slave" and that this couple was her master and that if she tried to escape she would die.
Same thing
child torturer, who what is your connection to bain capital
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Although what you've said is almost exactly correct, you have your criminals confused. "Carol Smith" had nothing to do with the serial killer Edmund Kemper. Google.
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Although what you've said is almost exactly correct, you have your criminals confused. "Carol Smith" had nothing to do with the serial killer Edmund Kemper. Google.
yes, youre right. his name is actually Cameron Hooker
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I'm right behind ya.
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bump
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The reason they don't let kids see their parents until they are further along in the program, is that by that point they are fairly certain that the child is mentally damaged enough that they are unable to advocate for themselves, and it is safe for them to have unmonitered accesss to the parent.
From a kids perspective I understand that it may seem that way. But these kids are insulated against any outside influences for a period of time necessary to get them stable. In many cases the family dynamics may be what is unhealthy for the child and until that is addressed then it doesn’t make sense to reintroduce the child back into a toxic environment without at least preparing him/her with some basic tools to cope with the situation. It could do more harm than good.
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The reason they don't let kids see their parents until they are further along in the program, is that by that point they are fairly certain that the child is mentally damaged enough that they are unable to advocate for themselves, and it is safe for them to have unmonitered accesss to the parent.
From a kids perspective I understand that it may seem that way. But these kids are insulated against any outside influences for a period of time necessary to get them stable. In many cases the family dynamics may be what is unhealthy for the child and until that is addressed then it doesn’t make sense to reintroduce the child back into a toxic environment without at least preparing him/her with some basic tools to cope with the situation. It could do more harm than good.
From a cultic sadist's perspective I understand that you throw that bullshit as a way of hiding what is obvious. No one's catching