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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Who Am I Discovery/Whitmore => Topic started by: Gmom on February 18, 2005, 12:21:00 PM
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FYI -- The horse taken from Whitmore belonged to the person who took her. The owner has the necessary papers of ownership, and was accompanied by Officer Wright of the Nephi Police Department. The Sudweeks have had the use of that horse for over a year. She is now back with her rightful owner.
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That is great news...a lucky horse to be back in the care of its owner.
Yes that is great news after reading about Mark Sudweeks being guilty of animal cruelty to horses and dogs in Canada.
I would have been really worried if I had left any animal in the care of the Sudweeks.
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Yes, luckily it didn't end up like Casie's prize horse....DEAD! Another story, another day!
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Does anyone know about the SPCA coming to Whitmore to inspect all the horses at Whitmore this week?
I wonder if those horses are being properly cared for, or if the State of Utah is worried about animal neglect or cruelty?
Anyone know anything about this?
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Yes, I know what happened. The horses were fine and the SPCA left with no problems at all. Oh, by the way, I'm a parent, not anyone else.
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What happened to Cassie's horse?
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She neglected it and it died.
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Do you know how the Horse was neglected? Did it starve down to skin and bones like the 30 or more they left to starve in Canada?
Or was it just a lack of water, so that its kidneys failed; or it died of colic?
Does Utah not adiquite animal protection Laws?
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Oh COME ON---a kid is not responsible for a horse dying!!!
That's like Mark Sudweeks trying to blame his own daughters for a bunch of horses and dogs being neglected and starved in Canada!!!
That girl was at Lake Powell when that horse died.
WHO ARE THE DANG ADULTS AROUND THIS PLACE ANYWAY?
Excuses, excuses, excuses.
Who is reponsible for those horses? Isn't it suppose to be the Sudweeks's daughter Trinity...who they say is trained by no other than Monty Roberts "The Horse Whisperer?"
Now this one takes the cake doesn't it????
A child enrolled at a school is NOW responsible for the well-being of the Sudweeks' horses?
Next thing we know it will be all the students' fault that the school can't get accreditation---guess because the kids didn't show up there as "FULLY CERTIFIED TEACHERS1"
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Parent who knows the horses are fine: Who told you that?
Are you a vet?
Did the official from the SPCA give you a report?
Betcha someone from Whitmore told you "all, fine" huh?
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On 2005-02-19 09:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
"She neglected it and it died."
Of all the "crap" on this site, this is the most obsurd and unbelievable thing I have read yet! Anyone and everyone who knew and knows Casie would never believe that!! That horse was everything to her. Amazingly, she was at Powell when the horse became ill under the care of kids left behind and a local community member. I also know she begged to stay behind due to her horse not seeming right. She was told no. Anyone who has experience with horses knows signs of Colic and how to treat it. Ironically, her horse had suffered with it before and she saved it. When she returned from Powell it was too late to save the horse!! Sound familiar to the Canada proceedure?? Leave the care to others and then blame someone else for the damage. How did I know that this would be the response, always someone else's fault with cutting, hurtful accusations. Hopefully Casie will never read this or hear about it. I know she does not participate in this site! Wow, truely unbelievable the depth of hatred and destruction some are capable of. One last thing to consider... how could 1 horse be neglected at the direction of 1 child in the midst of several other horses and care of several adults?? Wouldn't you think these horse lovers would not have allowed neglect by 1 child to 1 horse?? Food for thought....no pun intended!
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I would think the Sudweeks would print this "Satisfactory/Good//Perfect" report about these horses from the SPCA inspector to put everyone's mind at ease.
SURELY after all the stories they have put out about those helpless horses and dogs in Canada, they can not expect anyone to belief THEIR WORD that everything is OK with these horses in Utah.
Sorry on this one. The Sudweeks will just have to prove that those horses are in good condition.
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See Mark Sudweeks' Letter:
"Rebuttal to the SPCA Conviction"
under What about the animal abuse? thread
2/21/05
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In my view, the following is the most salient excerpt of the entire proceedings as far as the topic of these forums go:
Apeal transcript
Mr. Tetz failed when he did not "blow the whistle". He listened to his sister who told him not to do that because it might cause troubles for the Sudweeks.
In the event that some of the kids at Whitmore are being mistreated, would Tetz or anyone else in the Sudweeks' good graces defend the kids or the Sudweeks?
What experiences and history teach is this-that people and government never have learned anything from history, or acted on principles deduced from it.
--G.W.F Hegel (1770-1831)
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Antigen, your question goes right to the heart of the issue.
That is the make-up of "the program." The Sudweeks MUST be protected, not the kids.
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People who abuse animals usually abuse children too.
This whole thing makes me sick.
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Is anyone else tired of Mark Sudweeks whining and lying about the Animal Cruelty CONVICTION in Canada?
In his "Rebuttal to the SPCA Conviction" he states he "and my family had been in Baja for 3 months prior to the SPCA seizing the horses."
Now to me, at least, he wants people to believe he was in Mexico, and had not been near those horses in Canada for at least 3 months before the mean old Canadian SPCA said he was a bad guy right?
Well, in paragraph 11 of Regina V Sudweeks it states very clearly:
"The court noted Mr. Sudweeks' evidence that when he returned to the lodge briefly on December 10-11, 2000 to pick up his plane, the horses and dogs were all in fine condition."
Guess he forgot he was up there in Canada afterall, huh?
Guess Mark Sudweeks just can't quit lying can he?
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The posting on this site that states the Attorney General has dropped the investigation against the Sudweeks is NOT TRUE!!!!!!!!
The Attorney General only handles civil matters and is STILL investigating the Sudweeks for FRAUD etc.
The Sudweeks are still being investigated for child abuse and sexual abuse.
The Attorney General can be reached at
801 812-5205 to verify that the investigation for abuse has NOT BEEN DROPPED!!!
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Why hasn't Mark Sudweeks, or one of his spokes-people explained why he lied about being up in Canada on Dec. 10-11th.
He claims in that letter that he was in Mexico for the 3 months prior to this horse incident in Canada.
Why can he make a statement that does not hold water, and then just back off, without even an "oh guess I was confused."
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Why haven't the Sudweeks made public the report from the SPCA.
The SPCA was at Whitmore on February 15, 2004 checking on the horses.
It would seem if it was a POSITIVE REPORT that it would be posted everywhere!
Another little dark secret here?
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Mark,
What about being up there in Canada on Dec..10-11th?
Huh?
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On the Staff Sheet the Sudweeks show 5...FIVE!!
people teaching Horsemanship!
Now with that many people in charge of horses,
why didn't someone know that horse was sick?
Why didn't one or two, or maybe FIVE of these professional HORSEMEN get a VET out there to tend to this horse and make sure it didn't die in October 2004???
Why?
Let's not be blaming a student, a child--OK?
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Wonder what the Vet will say that horse died from in October 2004? And its a lot like the Canada Abuse deal. The Sudweeks just happened to be at Lake Powell when this poor animal died. So, sure hope one of the daughters wasn't in charge, or she will be blamed for this TOO.
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well while i was at the whitmore casies horse was always sick, she bought the horse from trinity, maybe trinity sold casie the horse because she did not want to deal with all of the vet bills? also the horse never had the vet come out and look at it, the horse had been sick since last winter and never one vet came out to look at her while i was there. Cheyl just had trinity "jr. horse whisperer" look at it and diagnos its problems.
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maybe the horsemanship teachers didnt know because one of them is only 17!!!! and none of them are trained nor have gone to school for veternary medicine
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Any reason why a vet wasn't called out for a horse that had been sick since winter?
And is this the horse that died with Colic?
Anybody know what kind of colic?
Anyone want to jump in here and explain why a vet wasn't called out for a horse with colic?
Someone beside me want to explain why it is cruel and grossly negligent to let a horse in colic go with out a vet's care?
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Well, I guess that is the BIG question here. A horse with colic has obvious symptoms -- "HORSE" people should recognize these symptoms, and call a vet. Sounds like it didn't happen in the case of Casie's horse. WHY NOT??????? Anyone know?
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Mr. Fox with the SPCA is sure checking it out. He was there not long ago, and is clearly aware that this horse died in OCT 2004 and that the Sudweek diagnosis is "colic." He is trying to contact one of the two Vets the Sudweeks claim they have on the "payroll." I don't believe this one can just be explained away quite so easily. A horse doesn't just die.
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NOw we have the biggest Sudweek "LET'S DEFLECT ALL ATTENTION OFF THIS HORSE THAT DIED IN OCTOBER DEAL GOING YET!!!!!"
Mark Sudweeks has actually filed a suit against this young girl who came and removed HER horse that legally belonged to HER---she has papers on this horse to prove it mind you!
And this girl had a Nephi Police officer with her on a Sunday morning to pick up the horse.
OF COURSE--she is LIED about an accused of picking it up AT NIGHT, and of leaving the gate open and a bunch of other nonesense.
AND the Sudweeks had use of HER HORSE all these months for the kids at Whitmore to ride, for FREE.
Now Mark Sudweeks had filed a $5,000 suit against this college girl!
Well- that still DOES NOT TAKE THE FOCUS OFF THE ISSUE OF THIS HORSE THAT DIED IN OCTOBER!
People are still waiting for Mr. Fox to report why this horse died...and why the Sudweeks just can't take care of animals properly (NOT TO MENTION KIDS) that they are suppose to be in charge of.
The issue is still there: Why did this helpless animal die?
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I am not a vet, but have been around horses all my life. Horses colic for a variety of reasons, the most likely cause is their feed. They can colic from moldy hay, hay that is too rich, too much grain, an abrupt change in the type of feed, etc. Horses have a very poor digestive system so when they have any type of problem with their stomach or intenstines it is very serious. When they have colic (a bad belly ache), their first instinct is to lie down and roll around. If they are allowed to do this their intestines can become twisted around one another and then only surgery can fix the problem. Many horses die from this ailment, even if they are given prompt care. It also seems to be true that once a horse colics it is more likely to colic again in the future, so many horses are sold cheap because of their tendancy to do this. Horses are prone to a variety of ailments related to food and exercise, colic is just one of them.
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It will be very interesting to know what Mr. Fox from the SPCA reports about this horse.
The Sudweek "camp" says: it died of "colic."
But this "camp" also says young, minor student "neglected this horse," and that is why it died.
Mr. Fox says he is waiting for calls back from the 2 Vets the Sudweeks claim they use.
FACT: the horse died while Sudweeks had the kids at Lake Powell in October 2004.
The "unofficial horse whisperer Trinity" and her husband Jeff were back and forth to Lake Powell delivering kids, (on at least 2 separate occassions for sure)... and staying overnight--now WHO did they leave in charge of this sick animal while they were doing "kid delivery service," and doing a bit of lake vacation time, off and on?
Who even knows if it was colic for sure? If it was, sure sounds like this animal suffered a lot.
Who even knows if a VET ever tended to this sick horse, or WHY it actually died?
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On 2005-03-10 10:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I am not a vet, but have been around horses all my life. Horses colic for a variety of reasons, the most likely cause is their feed. They can colic from moldy hay, hay that is too rich, too much grain, an abrupt change in the type of feed, etc. Horses have a very poor digestive system so when they have any type of problem with their stomach or intenstines it is very serious. When they have colic (a bad belly ache), their first instinct is to lie down and roll around. If they are allowed to do this their intestines can become twisted around one another and then only surgery can fix the problem. Many horses die from this ailment, even if they are given prompt care. It also seems to be true that once a horse colics it is more likely to colic again in the future, so many horses are sold cheap because of their tendancy to do this. Horses are prone to a variety of ailments related to food and exercise, colic is just one of them. "
I'd agree with all this (also being a layperson with Horse experience) but would like to make another point or two. Colic is an obvious, acute illness. There is no doubt something is wrong even in the early stages. Even if it begins as a mild discomfort - it is unmistakable that a problem is at hand. Long before an animal is rolling, they will become listless; and maybe bite or kick at their belly, and usually loose interest in the food bucket. A horse who won't eat is a very sick horse. All of this is what any horseman is familiar with as an indication of colic; no matter what has caused the colic. Any horse man knows a vet needs to be called out ASAP. Prompt veterinary attention will usually save the animal; but just as important is elevating the pain. Colic is Extremely painful! The horse left untreated will be in agony. IMO, the stress associated with the horrible pain creats a vicious circle - pain, stress, tension, more pain, more stress. . .
I once had a horse that would get a mild colic about once a year. (we never knew why) By the time the vet would arrive he'd be pretty miserable - groaning and sweating and wanting to lay down and roll. The first thing the vet would do would be to give him a pain shot - something to relax him. In our case that was all that was needed. He'd lay his big ole head in my arms, and sigh, and lift his tail and fart and then shit - and he was all better. Often times more treatment is needed - but the point is - Pain relief is of vital importance! Just for the sake of being responsible and humane - never mind the fact it can save the horse. The point being - there is no excuse for a horse in colic to go without a vet!
With colic in horses, the symptoms are unmistakable and a vet is always required.
And BTW - the same thing applies to a dog bloating. There is not a minute to spare in getting the dog to the vet.
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Well--the staff page of the Whitmore Academy lists these people as "teachers of horsemanship"
Shayla Horsemanship Sudweek daughter
Trinity Horsemanship Sudweek daughter
-Our contract shows she trained under Mr.
Monty Robert, THE HORSE WHISPERER
Jeff Horsemanship Sudweek son-in-law
Laysea Horsemanship Sudweek daughter
Anna Horsemanship
That sure is a lot of "teachers of horsemanship" for someone NOT TO KNOW that one horse is sick enough to fall over death, wouldn't you think?
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Now if I were a Sudweek supporter, this is one issue I'd want those people to clear up and clear up right now.
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You are absolutely right Buzz, a horse with colic is so obviously sick that even an inexperienced person should know to call a vet immediately.
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casies horse died of colic and casie loved that horse and she took the best care for it so your wrong if you think anyhting else
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No one is blaming Casie for anything. She was at Lake Powell when this horse died.
Who was there, who should have called the Vet?
That is the question!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seems the Sudweeks just don't take care of animals or Kids!
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The saddest part of the whole thing is Casie begged to stay behind and take care of the horse. She saw the signs and knew the horse was not right. She had treated the horse a year earlier for Colic and saved it. She saw the signs. She went to Cheryl and begged her to get the horse help and to let her stay back and help it. She was told she had to go to Powell. What do you think it did to poor Casie to find out at Powell her "best friend" had died. It is my understanding the local McQuivey boy and some of the other students stayed behind to "care" for the horses. Bottom line is, the symptoms were there prior to leaving for Powell. It was brought to the Sudweeks attention and they chose to leave the horse anyway. That my friends is abuse to the horse and to Casie! She still lives with the pain and guilt today. The whole experience could have been avoided, just like the one in Canada if the right people had been left to care for the horses. The Canadian officials made the right decision- NO more horses for the Sudweeks!
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shut up leah your horse was ugly anyways
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I am not Leah. What exactly does being ugly have to do with the horse that died. Are you also saying it Leah owned her horse??? Seems to be some confusion at The Whitmore as to who owned the horse Leah took home. You might want to help those who are confused.
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ya clueless, somebody better let you know whats up. Leah had and UGLY gray appy. the suds only use quarterhorse. the old horse was dieing, her mom begged mark to take it because it cost to much to keep and hadnt been rode for 5 years. it was 23 and dieing. when it got to utah it was ribby and skinny. everyone took care of it though they couldnt ride the bony thing. when leah left. she bought a knew horse that just about killed her. she and her MOM and GMOM pawned the horse on the suds. They said and we all heard that they could have it if they didnt want it they would have to put her down. kids cryed and of course they kept it. the law is if you leave your horse for someone else to care for, you have to pay for its keep. DUH did you think this would be one of your freebies Leah.... no guys to get favors from ...boooohooooo. so pay your bill. you can have the UGLY HORSE that was dieing when we got it. mark aint stupid, you think hes gonna take you to court if he dont know what hes doin. DUH again. grow up poor little girl. the more people know about you the less credible yu are. kinda like granny
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speakin of payin bills. Leah how come you made mark pay for your car at christmas when you tried to run over Rob. and he dented your car. do you ever have to be accountable for anything?
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are you saying mark sudweeks paid for Leahs car at christmas when he didnt have too? and now she is bashing him and worse his family. what kind of a person is this Leah.
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Think those McQuivey brothers better run for cover. This sounds a whole lot like those poor abused horses and dogs up in Canada. Sounds like Mark Sudweeks just may be getting ready to blame that dead horse in October on the poor McQuivey boys.
BUT there still is the daughter, Trinity he can blame, like he did up there in Canada. Just blame anybody, FRIENDS, DAUGHTER, it doesn't matter. Dead horse. Gotta blame somebody.
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if you want a honest character reference ill give it a shot. although it is hard to describe, a person like LEAH SCHACHER she is a shocker, boy she is the devil in disquise. watch out boys shell chew you up. she did me. she uses then looses. not even a good lay. she wants glory not growth, control not salvation. her ascendancy means more than than her agency. she has no future and desperately desires to persuade men that they have no future either. she desires that all people be miserable like herself.
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thats putting it nicely. heres my reference. i have never met a bigger slutty, coniving decieving bitch in my life. and i agree, she was horrible in bed.
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oh ya, she takes to many drugs skinny as a skeleton, and UGLY AS HER HORSE
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its a shame you guys are saying these horrible things about Leah. I think she's beautiful and what!!!> she's the whore because she slept with you or you heard rumors....get this str8 sweety whoever u are, if you're a guy and you had sex with her than you are just MAN WHORE. think about it.
and Leah never "ran" over Rob....that day she picked up Hannah and CAmille down the street after they tried to run away and brought them back to the mansion. pulled up front, parked to let them out and after they were inside, Rob went out with his "gnagsta" self, so to say, and kicked her car door in pretty good. She never ran him over....if someone was screaming gang slurrs at me and running towards my car in the strat u better believe my ass would drive off!!! who wouldn't?
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Sounds like a whole bunch of guys desired Leah, and she wouldn't give the the time of day, and a whole bunch of girls were deadly jealous of her.
That's just what teenagers do and say. Leah, let it go. You are the winner. You're in college, have a family that loves you. Look where they all are. Still getting trashed by Mamma Cherly.They will be home soon and figure it all out too.
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You, whoever you are, don't have even the slightest clue what you are talking about. Sounds like one of Cheryl's stories. And you don't know what you think you know about what I do for my grandchildren or why. And what's more, it is of no concern of yours or Mark's or Cheryl's.
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then why would you spend so much time on the internet making it a public concern, you wonderful ol granny. go do what nice grannys do
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She is doing what Grandmothers do, defending her granddaughter against lies. Why don't Mark and Cheryl do what Owners of a School are suppose to do? And it certainly does not involve abusing kids.