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An open discussion about the troubled parent industry

I thought the U.S. government was supposed to protect it's citizens from places like $tr8 Inc.  Where they take captured children and minors and keep them in little windowless rooms, 2 guards at the door.  Where they take your clothes and your wallet and your boots and your belt before they strip search you on your way into the group for the first time...I didn't realize until much later in life that I wasn't entitled to the protections of the constitution because I wasn't old enough at that time.  I was 16 when I went in.  What I mean is one of the things that's always angered me about that whole experience was the way I was brought up to believe in America because she would protect my human rights and dignity as a person.  We had the constitution after all and the declaration of Independence an' all...In other words if I'd a been 18 I could'a' protected myself, but since I was only 16 when I first went in, I could do nothing but watch myself fall.  I watched what was happening.

 My dad is a Vietnam vet.  So is my uncle, on my mom's side.  My grandfathers were all vets.  When I was 4 years old I was runnin around in a camouflage Airborne Army uniform brandishing a plastic machine gun, proper insignia and flag an' all. And me and my friends would play war in the back yards and the alleys of my Grandmas street, while my Dad was in Vietnam.  Maybe I was 5 by then.

Anyway to come up from such a patriotic background and then be shoved into $tr8 where every constitutional right I would have had, had I been 18, instead of 16 at the time, was violated, is enough to give a kid whiplash.  You see what I'm sayin ?!

Anyway, if an 18 year old needs so much protection, shouldn't a younger person have even more ?  I know parents need rights an' all, I'm not sayin that, but my parents were completely wrong to put me in $tr8 and there was nothing that I could do about it.

When Fred Collins sued $tr8 and won for whatever the charge was...unlawful imprisonment or whatnot, what that really meant, in a moral sense, was that $tr8 was wrong to keep anyone who didn't want to be there, unless you were court-ordered or something maybe.  In which case you're rights may have already been legally taken from you. I can't judge that from here, cept to say $tr8 still would have been some kind of strange and excessive punishment.  Some 16 year olds can be more mature than some 20 year olds so it's nearly impossible to set some age whereby one's right to defend one's self legally kicks in.  When your bein held by force in a program you need legal rights, constitutional rights.   That's why most of these programs keep children and minors prisoner instead of adults.  They can't get away with perpetrating such crimes against adults or in other words, those Americans who have constitutional rights.  I knew what was happening as I experienced it and yet could do nothing to prevent it.  I thought I had constitutional rights all along.  I never stopped to think that they wouldn't kick in til I was 18.  Nobody ever told me you had to be 18 for that shit to count. I thought it was just in the values of the people.  

It was only as I grew up and began to see the historical pattern of the Fedral gov't to oppress people that I began to question the relationship.  I thought about all that I had learned from my mother as we crossed the west, about Native American history, which seemed at the time to me, like an analogy of my own life.  I was too wild and free.  They wanted me in on the res. too.  So I begin to go off the res. to explore the world and it's myriad forms an' such.  But so I got outside of their reign of control and was discoverin things which they denied could be.  

The last thing they want are socially unconditioned adults unnatuned to their way of thinking and their values.  If we were to turn 18 still believing in our own transcendental natures and wielding our constitutional rights...well, that just might be damn scary for them ol' fat cats.  That is their nightmare.  That we might be empowered by our natures and politically free. Str8 Inc and the programs like it commit crimes against American citizens and America herself by denying the individual citizen the right to his potential both spiritually and socially.  $tr8 was a private entity and so it operated without regard to any semblance of due process.  In other words it wasn't any part of the penal system.  It was a private prison, where you had no representation, no voice, no identity, no way.

... Criminals.

$tr8 and programs like it are an oppression against American citizens.

Hello.  I was in the Springfield $tr8 for 23 months, from 85-87.  When I finally got out I had all kinds of social problems.  You know the feeling of being separated from yourself and the terror of not knowing the way back and the nervous breakdowns that beckon you.  The separation from self that comes from being held up and stripped of your self.  By others. Strangers you don't know.

When I went into $tr8 I was shocked by the invasion.  I mean I was hit by it.  I remember studying what was happening to me, as it was all goin down.  The betrayal.  I went along with things at first, because it was obvious they meant to use physical force to keep me.  They introduced me to group as I looked for some weakness.  A way to escape.  I was on front row, sitting there in shock, disoriented and yet knowing I'd been right all along.  I'd found what I was looking for.  Proof that they'd been espousing lies as the truth, the whole time.  I was right and now I had no doubt in myself. I had strong intuition.  

They were somehow threatened by the way I wandered out and astray.  Threatened by my adult potential which wasn't far away.  I was a bold experimenter before $tr8. I wanted to learn things for myself, in my own way.  I didn't want to be like everyone else.  I wanted wisdom and adventure, in it's infinite form.

I wanted to know what would happen, and I found out.  They'll sneak up around you.  Conspiring to imprison you.  Where once imprisoned they will stand you up in the middle of the prison room and take turns psychologically analyzing your every move, your every word and secret thought, until all your social coping skills have been revealed and destroyed in front of you.  They'll even watch the way you defecate.  Finally you'll stand there wondering how the heck you're supposed to react, or behave.  What the F do they want ??!!  All the little ways you used to have tucked away, that you could pull out of your pocket and say had been taken from you by then.  All your cool little ways that were the things your friends loved about you were identified as druggie ways.  Your coping mechanisms were smashed in front of everyone in group.  You were smashed.  

And as you stood there, surrounded by the group, completely psychologically shattered with nothing to cling to as your identity you were offered the program.  $tr8 stripped away all our natural( you could say organic, I guess) social coping mechanisms and social filters and installed instead a foreign and artificial system of thought in our heads.

Even though I was hip to their ways and even though at times I copped out and misbehaved, I still spent nearly 28 months directly under their influence, or in the cult.  So the program is in me and is something I am always wrestlin with, even though I reject it outright.  It was beaten into me.  

In my dealings with people since $tr8 I've had a lot of trouble. You know.  A lot of awkwardness.  Not the way I was prior to $tr8.  Before $tr8 I could handle every social situation I faced.  Quite adeptly even.  What $tr8 did to me personally was to stunt me socially by stripping me of all of my social coping mechanisms and then into that void they tried to put the program, but I rejected that, and so am left with nothing.  This has been very unnerving.

I'm seriuous.  When you don't have the usual social filters that most everyone naturally has then you lose.  When you can't cope with normal social situations because all your ways have been beaten outta you, it  can mess you up.  This is just another reason why $tr8 was bad.  The psycho-trauma and duress is a whole nother thing...

So in the end, even though I got the answers I sought, what I found was the true nature of things... :beat:  My advice...Don't believe the things they say...After all the talk of "Freedom" and "Liberty" and Justice" they will force you anyway they can.

I'm empowered by the knowledge and crippled by the experience.

...original material by $tr8 survivors for a music cd compilation.  Record your stuff and send it to me and I'll put it together and distribute it for free.  I already have a few things.  So any $tr8 survivors out there with any musical talent, record a song and send it along and we'll make a cd of original songs by $tr8 survivors.  To send your song pm me.

Fuck $tr8! :clown:  :poison:

I was reading the paper today.  Saw OJ was finally gonna do some time.  The article began with a definition of the word, "justice" from dictionary.com: "the administering of deserved punishment or reward" ...

I don't know...don't seem to me that one can get "retroactive justice", which was the title of the article BTW.  I was actually surprised at that definition.  It doesn't sound like "justice" to me at all...more like social control or revenge or something other than justice.  Maybe "compensation" of some sort.  It seems to me, though, that justice is only available in the present.  One can live justly or not, but I don't think one can have justice for what has happened in the past.  The past is just a memory  There is only the present.  If you have committed crimes or been unjust in the past simply act with justice now, as you go about your day.  ...Anyway... :clown:


Injustice, like when someone is trampled to death by some mob made up of the individual egos that are all so focused on what they want for themselves that they are unable to recognize the man coming to unlock the door as a human being.  The key he held in his hands was all he was worth to the people who trampled him or could have.  It doesn't matter what punishment you give to the tramplers, that was an injustice and no action can change that.

A friend of mine and I were talkin about "Justice" once and he said something to me I'll never forget.  He said "Justice" is just not usin anybody for nothin, ever.  I think that's right on.  The implication bein if you are dealt injustice by some force of another's selfish ego, it is just an injustice and you cannot make it otherwise through violence or imprisonment or action of any kind.  That would just be more injustice, wouldn't it ??

I guess it just freaks me out the way the society or the establishment or whatever, most people out there, don't have any sense of what justice even is.  They leave that up to the law, like so many fools and suckers, and surrender their natural autonomy daily.  They have no intuitive sense of it coming from within themselves.  This is the problem that develops when people allow their government to regulate their own behavior.  Government and law cuts us off from our potential as human beings.

Oh well just some stuff I had on my mind today, thought I'd throw up a post..."...with words they try to jail ya..."-Sting

 :poison:  :peace:

The 2 emotocons who were clinkin their beers and all those other cool emotocons that aren't here anymore.  I think the available emotocon selection is a little weak. And I don't know what's goin on with the whole what's-her-name thing but isn't that emotocon with the 2 smilie-faces(with appendages!) strokin themselves off on that other smilie-face's face and havin it labeled as S. Scheff a little too crude(and personal) ??

Just wonderin...and maybe suggesting we could somehow get back some of the ol' emotocons we used to have around here.

 :blabla:  :bs:  :-  

I remember when I first heard of him.  He was on Letterman one night, not long after I was outta $tr8.  A blind, wailin cat.  He sat in a chair and played his electric across his lap while his band backed him up.  I remember how when it came time for his guitar solo he stood up and kicked that chair back out from under him and tore that guitar up!  Righteous tune too.  "Angel Eyes"..."tonight I light the stars above...how did I ever win your love?...what did I do !?...what did I say...to turn your angel eyes my way"!?  Really a beautiful song.  I always loved to hear that song when it would come on the radio unexpected-like.  The kid had heart.  Only 41.

pirate out.

Namaste. 

Gigaroo 4(hippys' annual music fest)

Friday, July 13, 7pm-12am & Saturday the 14th, 12pm-12am 2007, Iselin ballfield, just outside of Indiana, PA

Bands:

Back Alley Sally
Dollars-n-Sense
Soundrive
Solegion
Kings Ransom
Absent Minded Blindness
Five-2-One
4 Day Crawl
44 Mag
Slabtown
Jimmy James
Alluminati
The Mourning Sun(Hippys' band)

Free camping, BYOB, No glass bottles, please.  Food vendors on site.

Tickets are only $10.oo.  Free admission for kids under 12.

Come on, ya'll le's have some fun!!  Pm pirate for tickets.

For more information go to:

www.myspace.com/forthemourningsun

www.myspace.com/gigaroo

www.myspace.com/five020one