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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Seed Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Ft. Lauderdale on December 16, 2004, 04:24:00 PM
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I just wanted to wish everyone a Happy Holiday yes even Antigen. Jimmy I hope this is a good one for you. Robin you are a sweetheart. Wally Gator -your the best. RJF22 see you next month.
Justo you too are the best. I did not want to turn this into romper room. Oh my god - How could I almost forget Greg. The person I never would have thought I would ever like- Greg :nworthy: Merry Christmas
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Ft. Lauderdale, as we used to say, you have a big heart. And that's still true!
[ This Message was edited by: cleveland on 2004-12-16 13:26 ]
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Same to all here. Thanks to everyone for their participation. I wish everyone happiness and understanding.
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Let's see - Ft Lauderale, thank you for the kind words. Finding this forum and the many willing participants has been a trip - both publicly and privately. I really have enjoyed the many ?rants and raves? you folks have shared with me?thanks much!
To Greg & Antigen,
Thank you for your dedication, blood, sweat and tears for providing and maintaining this site for us. I couldn't have done it without you!!
?God bless us - everyone!?
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Good Lord, its 6:30 in the morning , I found myself sitting on the couch staring at the christmas tree singing jingle belle's thinking about the seed. What has my life come to ? Just kidding, all is well. My wife still loves me, my children are healthy, I'm clean and sober 31 days. It doesnt get any better. As Robin said thank you for this forum.
Merry Christmas and Happy new year!!!
Peace and Love,
Jimmy
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Hey Jimmy,
I think the best way to say this is with the words of the late Bob Marley, ? Don?t worry about a thing cause every little thing is going to be all right.?
As to everyone else in this forum that have helped me so much in putting so many things into there proper place I thank you with all my heart. For so long I thought I was the only one with these thoughts and feelings about my past years.
?May God bless us; everyone.?
CCGAR61
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And a very merry Christmas to all ya'll too.
Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will [America's] heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.
--John Quincy Adams, Speech to the U.S. House of Representatives [July 4, 1821]
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:wave: :wave: :wave:
Happy Holidays to All !!!!
I am forever grateful for this forum as well
Thank you Greg and Antigen
And to all who bring back my fading memory.
Lot's of Love,
Richard
And a Happy New Year !
Despite Bush being in the White House
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Just coming on board...found this site the other day after waking up in the middle of the night and thinking about 32 years ago and the seed. Why I don't know, but I have been reading the discussions and it has brought back many memories. Some good some not.
I just turned 13 ...Jan 15 1973 when my parents put me in the seed...I smoked pot and drank alittle. Another mother told my mother and so on soon the whole block I lived on was in the seed...some kids stayed some parents pulled their kids out. I was at the Ft Lauderdale 84 building...I remember the St Pete, Ft Pierce, Ft Myers locations and visiting all of them at some time or another.
In some ways yes the seed helped me but in other ways years after I graduated I ended up doing other drugs because of the fascination of hearing so many stories of others getting high with speed and qualudes that I wanted to experience that too.It didn't last long because I got married at 19 and ended up marrying an alcoholic for 10 years.
I am 45 years old and I do drink socially and have never felt guilty about it but if someone offered me a joint the guilt kicks in and no matter what I can not do it. Yes I guess in some ways I am still programmed. Weird but never thought of it that way...
I do think of the kids I met along the way and wonder what may have happened to them. The staff members I recall all were on a power trip and had major egos. More of the women then the men...
Anyway thanks for this forum...it may help me understand why I have done some of the things in my life good and bad.
Merry Christmas to you all ...
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welcome fran!
I usually ask new people to tell us a story you remember about your time in the seed.
We appreciate your participation here.
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I remember the day my parents signed me in. I had no idea what to expect. I remember being stripped searched...thank God they let me leave my bra and panties on because at 13 you have hang ups as it is. But that freaked me out...I remember my father not being very confident in leaving me there but my mother was for it.
I remember the girl I had to stay with and she showing me pictures of her boyfriend who happened to also be in the seed. She was cool because at least she gave me cigarettes to smoke since my parents took them away from me too when they signed me in.
I remember saving the butts from others passing them down the row because you weren't allowed to bum cigs from anyone. I remember some of the songs...Jingle Bells, Zippity do da, The Seed song. Holding hands singing, saying the Lords prayer at the end of the meeting, screaming I LOVE YOU to people you didn't even know. Eating bologna sandwiches so much that to this day I will not eat bologna. The Guys...The Chicks..having to wear a bra heck I didn't need to wear a bra at that age anyway!!..I still have every damn moral inventory I wrote for Gosh sakes!! Why do I keep them for??
Libby the bitch...Suzie Connors the bitchier, John Underwood, Cliff, Pete ( I think he was the oldest member there at 28...1973)Claudia giving me a shag haircut!!! Art and Shelly...singing at the Orange Bowl...being able to go home finally...then back to school and being pushed around physically and mentally abused by the DRUGGIES!!! "I don't want to talk to you" ARRRRGGGGG....Having the oldcomers in school " come down on you "lunch sessions that I dreaded having to go to lunch.
Did the seed help me? Yes and no...I went from one peer pressure to another type. Scared to death to say what I really felt. But when I finally stopped going after 2 years I had a freedom that I can't describe. Yes it curtailed my drug experience a few years but at 17 began drinking again...and doing more drugs then I did when I went into the seed. Did the seed save my life? would I have ended up in jail? these are the things I remember being drilled into me.
I do remember some kids getting yelled at and beaten down mentally...I said what they wanted me to say and did what I had to do to graduate the program. As in the game Survivor...I flew under the radar...I played the game!![ This Message was edited by: Fran on 2004-12-21 07:58 ]
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With all the sadness and trauma going on in the world today, it is worth reflecting on the death of a very important person, which almost went unnoticed last week. Larry La Prise, the man who wrote "The Hokey Pokey", died peacefully at age 93. The most traumatic part for his family was getting him into the coffin. They put his left leg in, and then the trouble started.
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Fran,
I hope you get as much out of this forum as I have. It's helped me to think about the part of my life that I spent at the Seed, and about everything that I've been through after. Welcome!
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Wally Gator,
Thank you for your welcome!! I never knew there was a seed program in Cleveland till I read about it here in the forum. Funny...I lived in Florida for 34 years and just recently moved to Ohio about 1 hour from cleveland. Anyway I have to say that having a place to vent to ...since no one not even my husband can understand what I went thru at 13 being in a drug rehab (a mind control cult?) Yikes!!...will be refreshing and may help me in the long run.
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On 2004-12-21 09:51:00, Ft. Lauderdale wrote:
" With all the sadness and trauma going on in the world today, it is worth reflecting on the death of a very important person, which almost went unnoticed last week. Larry La Prise, the man who wrote "The Hokey Pokey", died peacefully at age 93. The most traumatic part for his family was getting him into the coffin. They put his left leg in, and then the trouble started."
Ft Lauderdale...You are too funny!!! I loved it!!! Sorry to see Mr. La Prise pass on, but I guess this is the Obit his family wanted us to see. C'mon Seedlings, let's do the Hokey Pokey one last time for the ole' man :nworthy: whadyasay???
On a different note...Welcome Fran :wave: Please feel free to speak your mind here - we may all not agree, but it's a great forum to tell us what you really think! Enjoy this forum and enjoy your holidays!
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Welcome Fran, I live west of Cleveland in Avon Lake and have been involved in the forum for 6 months. Feel free to write whatever is on your mind, chances are someone will disagree but hey, tough noogies. We are entitled to our own opinion and unlike our days in the seed we can voice it.
Robin, you made me remember our days in the fenced in yard in Ft. Lauderdale doing excercises and of course the Hokey-Pokey,,You put your left foot in, you put your left foot out,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,thats what its all about!!!
Jimmy
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Hey Jimmy, I live on Cleveland's near west side!
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I moved to a small country farm town almost on the border of PA...no trafficlights, no traffic!!
I do love it here!!
Yes I do plan on speaking my mind...it's about time I can do that now.
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Fran,
When I first discovered this site it was like the biggest light going off ever for me - all of this stuff that I had never had anyone to speak about, and so hadn't thought about in years, was just sitting there in my mind. For years, I dreamt about the Seed and it was clearly a big thing for me, even though it was receding further into my past each year. I'd left friends behind, bad and good membories, and a big chunk of my teens to twenties. Anyway, I read every posting over the course of weeks, and this started an avalanche of memories, feelings, and thoughts. I now feel a certain amount of clarity about the whole thing, with less anger and more understanding. Hope you find this too, and others who will stumble onto this site. I've been on this site to witness many new people discovering it - maybe it's 'meant to be' for us! (that's half joking, you know...)
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It is true...I have not thought of the Seed or details of it for years and years. When I stopped going I put it all behind me. Then all of a sudden last week I couldn't sleep and "boom"
the seed pops into my mind. Then I thought I wonder what is on the web about it? That is how I found this site.
In fact I had forgotten that we sang Jingle Bells and whenever I hear Jingle Bells I never thought of the seed. And the hokey pokey song...again the joke that Ft Lauderdale made didn't even connect that yea we sang and danced to the stupid song...outside during our exercises!! Then as I began reading through all the comments...things began to trigger off memories. I know that I met some very good people in the seed... funny I say good because we were all put in there because we were bad!! I do think of them quite often and wish I could some how get in touch with them.
I know I had dreamt of the seed over the years especially in the beginning about being put back in the front row. It was a nightmare actually!! And Honestly I never knew that the govenment stopped funding because of the brainwashing tactics...I stopped going in 1975 as an oldtimer.
And now when I read all this stuff about the Seed and mind control etc it pisses me off!! My parents had no idea...in fact I just talked to them about this site the other day and what I found out and they said that they would do it again if they had to. Thank God I'm not a kid anymore...but more unbelievable is that I get put in the seed for smoking pot and drinking a little and my brothers a few years later are doing cocaine and they don't get thrown in there.
Yes, I am venting and that is what this forum is about I guess.
Please tell me how did this forum come to be? Who was on 84 in 1973? I remember at 400pm the guys and chicks had there own private rap sessions. We were allowed to smoke on the hour...how much money did Art make from the seed? Anybody know? Yes I am rambling...but thanks for listening.
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Hey Fran,
Welcome! I bet you remember my brothers, Jack, Jim and Thom and maybe my ex sister in law, Pam, who went on staff for awhile. I was the little blond kid falling asleep through Open Meetings on the parents' side or in the big back booth at Denny's.
I also just got out of Florida and moved to a smallish town about 30 mi So. of Pittsburgh. I say "just" meaning 2 1/2 years cause, around here, 5 - 10 year homeowners are "those new people". (heh)
But there's a lot to like about it, too. Better weather than Cleveland, for one thing, huh?They came with a Bible and their religion- stole our land, crushed our spirit... and now tell us we should be thankful to the 'Lord' for being saved.
--Chief Pontiac, American Indian Chieftain
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Actually us chicks couldn't really hang out much less talk with a guy so no I do not remember your brothers. Pam rings a bell but a face does not come to mind.
So you were really young when you became a part of the seed thru your brothers but did you ever attend the program? How are your brothers today?
Pittsburgh is about 2 hours from me...and I moved here about 1 1/2 years ago. Going thru my 2nd winter here already.