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...And today it rained from the time before the dawn and I listened to it from my bed and knew there was a good chance I wouldn't have to drive out to my uncles and paint.  I decided to make soup instead of painting and used a good amount of home grown garden vegetables.  But the beans are taking forever to soften up and I have already eaten a full belly's worth in my hunger and impatience over the day.  Just now I stirred the soup and watched the trail of the wooden spoon go through it in a spiraling circular pattern.  I could feel the weight of the soup as it thickened on the spoon and I lost my sense of self  and my notion of time.  I forgot who I was or where and only saw a hand and a wooden spoon and a pot of soup heating ... and I remembered my ancestors and could feel all the demarcations of social time fly away.  Even in the modern world I can channel certain peculiar namelessnesses and know myself as only one of the latest incarnations of some ancient form of energy from some ancient God-forsaken star.

Quote from: starry-eyed pirate

Poets, priests and politicians....

Quote from: starry-eyed pirate

..Have words to thank for their positions...

Funny, I listened to that album a day or two before this post, and hadn't in a long while, either.

This is the 2nd song I noticed written by Sting about the way people are so manipulated by words, which is sorta an obvious insight, and yet still also seems so profound anyway.  I respect the Police and Sting.

So in a way, it's like sayin that up until about 5,000 years ago everyone was naturally capable of having schizophrenic-like-God hallucinations and receiving auditory hallucinations at the same time... and it seems like there were a lot of personal gods in the ol days and ancestor worship was common around the world before writing was invented and the cities were built.  There are no clear demarcations in the evolution of consciousness.  The group evolves, only as an individual adaptation becomes established in the general population.   

And what of the Hindu's Karma then... cause that concept's gotta be pretty old...? ...And involves a concept of ego...right ?  Maybe it makes sense though, if the Indus valley is one of the worlds first civilized places ... I think Gobekli Tepe is 12,ooo years old !  People were settlin into small farming communities in what is now southern Turkey about 10,000 BCE.  I think Jaynes says that the Bicameral consciousness functioned well up until the time when a series of natural disasters, which created hordes of foreign refugees mixing together, coinciding with the development of writing, and especially the use of metaphor, which taught people to be objective in the absence of their personal authority archetype(personal gods) which in turn then led to the development of the modern consciousness of self-awareness and ego...  To Jaynes when ancient cultures practiced rituals with mummies the tribe was involved in a kind of a group hallucination that was very real to them.  A kind of a social entrancement so as to commune with the personal authority archetype(personal gods)... but Jaynes says that as civilizations developed the bicameral consciousness began to fail and slowly over time the gods were lost to most and could only be reached through those who were still bicameral, the prophets and the oracles and these types ... the schizophrenics ... channeling the Word, the Logos ...

Poets, priests and politicians....

I'm an attack survivor !!!  Thanks for the links Tampa Survivor.  I'll check em out and do what I can.  Strength and Honor !

"The idea is that once people started to develop ego consciousness, centralized social authorities became necessary to compensate for the breakdown of the bicameral consciousness."

Pirate, does Jaynes say that?

Was that part of the pizza box discussions?

It's difficult to remember all that went into those beautiful ol pizza box discussions but I reckon that had to be part of it, and yes that is part of what Jaynes has to say.  You should really just force yourself to read him.