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The Troubled Teen Industry / Why don't WE make a program?
« on: March 05, 2006, 11:37:00 PM »
Please compare and contrast the workshops at Carlbrook vs the workshops at RMA. I felt that the workshops at RMA were very traumatic experiences.  

I would prefer not to hear generic "nothing in life is easy" answers.  I would prefer to hear details regarding the specific exercises that are part of the workshops.  

To make things more open and focused I would like to hear more about whatever workshop would be similar to our "Truth Propheet". I assume that that would be the first workshop's "topic" at Carlbrook also.  Basically...a play by play account of the whole propheet/workshop would be nice.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Carlbrook
« on: March 05, 2006, 07:19:00 PM »
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On 2006-03-03 09:03:00, Anonymous wrote:

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There is no such thing as an "attempted" escape at Carlbrook.  You either run or you don't. It's not a lock down."


 :rofl:

That is the same thing that they said to us at RMA.  We all got the "there are no fences here...no bars on the window...you can walk down the road any time you want".  That sure would make for a loooonnnngggggg walk.

First...at RMA we were in the middle of nowhere...where would somebody run?  Hitchhiking was also illegal in Bonner Ferry at the time (so we were told) not to mention that as soon as a child ran...the local law enforcement agencies were all called.

Looking at the area that Carlbrook is in now, it appears that it also is pretty much in the middle of nowhere.  The town's educational and unemployment demographics aren't very impressive either in my opinion...but that's a different subject altogether.

Basically...what I'm getting at here is that if a child is placed in the middle of nowhere far far from home...especially in an environment(school) that practices "attack" therapy...it can feel like prison even though there are no fences/razor wire/bars etc.

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EdCons and referring organizations and agencies / StrugglingTeens.com
« on: March 04, 2006, 07:35:00 PM »
OK...so I'm reading strugglingteens.com forum...an I found something to be quite funny.

First...let me preface what I am saying by letting everybody know that I have my B.S. in Economics.

The post I was reading was a few years old but I still found it somewhat amusing.

There was a single mother of an 18 year old boy asking the forum how they afford the schools. She was already working two jobs and stated that the tuitions at the programs were out of reach for her.

Lon chose to post a reply to her query.

He first noted that there were a number of schools that have scholarships...yet he went on to tell the poster that "the chances of getting one of those is a little like the chances of being hit by lightening, since there are so many parents looking for financial help"

so much for that avenue :roll:  

then he goes on to explaining how she can possibly get the state or health insurance to pay for it...and even goes so far as to state that there are even public programs that may be helpful if her child fits a certain criteria.

here's the kicker

Lon then states that "One common mistake parents make is to start by looking for something they can afford. That automatically eliminates many options that with determination, might work out."

finally...the punchline

"Often also, parents do what I did, and take out a second mortgage on their home to afford the tuition. This is often the unthinkable when parents first start their search, but if there is a possibility there, its worth weighing the pros and cons. In my case, my daughter graduated about eight years ago, and with luck, I'll get the second mortgage paid off by the end of this year, and it was worth every penny."

For anybody that is considering a second mortgage...I suggest that you brush up on your knowledge of the economy.

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50 stories?...How about 500...hell...Ginger could probably get that many just by cutting and pasting off of fornits...it could be done in a way that shows the similarities between each program...for example...the "lifeboat exercise"...it sure sounds like that happened in many different schools.  I could go on and on about particular exercises...but really...we could make a book thicker than the DSM-IV

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / Staff Raps
« on: March 02, 2006, 08:06:00 PM »
I don't even want to think about raps...especially the ones in propheets where EVERYBODY had to get blown away...and if you weren't getting blown away for being a dirtbag etc...then you were getting blown away for being a "lookgood"...always a lose lose situation in my mind.

And if you even tried to call a faculty on their obvious B.S. then you would systematically hear "WERE NOT TALKING ABOUT ME HERE!!!...THIS IS ABOUT YOU!!!"...and on and on...feeling free to insert expletives at random only to beat you down even further for having dared question their authority.

I have yet to hear anybody yell as loud at a sporting event, concert or any other gathering as I have heard in raps.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Carlbrook
« on: March 01, 2006, 12:27:00 AM »
Wow...look at all the noise that comes up when I ask to have Tim compare and contrast how things were at RMA with the way they are now at Carlbrook.  Funny how everybody seems to rush to his defense...yet he wasn't even being attacked.  I wasn't asking for peoples personal opinions of Tim, yet as a former student of his I'm surprised that he can't answer some questions about programs that he is running vs. the programs that he ran.

All I can suspect is that Tim desires to turn tail and run from the RMA aftermath...sweep it under the carpet and pretend that it never existed.  Perhaps that is why he doesn't list RMA as one of his "credentials".

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / RMA 'student' 1985-86
« on: February 28, 2006, 04:30:00 PM »
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On 2006-02-28 12:32:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Bill you might want to check your dates.  I think you are off by at least a year.



As a small note,   I do not think that its cool to put other peoples names on the board as having attended RMA.  



Just imagine, one of our peers, being googled by a possible future employer, a co-worker, or who ever and then having to desribe RMA or having to lie and say that was someone else by the same name.  

"


agreed

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / Getting Revenge
« on: February 28, 2006, 01:46:00 AM »
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On 2006-02-27 22:04:00, Sardonic Shrug wrote:

"Obviously, this particular board is for commentary and opinions based on CEDU. Hopefully, nobody will be too inconvienced or put off with the following.



I'd never heard of Islandview, so I figured I'd look it up.  The first thing I noticed was the location.  Utah just seems to be conducive to disturbing behavior and beliefs.  Far be it from me to denounce polygamy, but when children start being abused then "tradition" and "personal beliefs" are irrelevant, and those guilty of such betrayal of the innocence of children that want to claim entitlement to exception based upon their personal model of faith can make those pleading screams as they are dragged away to the room of ravenous wolves who haven't eaten for five days.  Anyways, that's a rant for another site.



Like I was saying, I looked up this Islandview website, and I neglected to read their bullshit mission statement because those kinds of places all share the same kind of hubristic tone, always intended to mollify parents with the beguiling promise that the trouble in their child's life is not, in fact, a reflection of their parenting whatsoever.  No, in fact, some kids are just born deficient, and there was nothing you as a parent could have done to remedy whatever shortcomings your child displays.  That is where we come in.  Here at...you guys are all familiar with the rhetoric.

Then I checked out the staff bios.  Jesus.  That was the creepiest lineup of so-called troubled adolescent care specialists I've ever seen.  Something about the "school psychologist" particularly brought out a sense of foreboding in me.  I don't know, maybe it was this picture.  The school Psych is the guy who is seated.



http://www.oakley-school.com/founder1.html



Also, check out the "Check in on my child" option on the following official Islandview website.  I love the image there.  This broad has a kid sequestered at some long term radical treatment facility in fucking Syracuse, Utah, and she's sitting at the computer with this vapid grin on her face that is probably intended to appear delighted, relieved, and grateful all at once.  You can almost read the thoughts her face is supposed to imply- "Oh, he IS making progress!  What a wonderful assessment of my kid?s progress by the people I'm paying to straighten him/her out.  Well, not straighten them out, I mean, heal them of their inherent defects that I did nothing to cause and was wholly unqualified to correct.  Unlike these nice people in Utah, who I'm paying an exorbitant amount of money to in order to guide the development of my own child's very personality.  I'm comfortable with that.  And this progress report says that my kid is making huge strides towards being a functioning and stable human being, although he/she is still a good 6 months to a year away from discharge.  Speaking of which, I better get my checkbook and send those miracle workers another used Honda Civic.  For what they're doing with my kid (and for what I don't have to trouble myself with doing now,) paying enough money per month to buy a used car outright is totally worth it."



Actually, I'd imagine that is not the sentiment they had in mind in going with this particular image.  But it's what I took out of it.



http://www.islandview-rtc.com/

[ This Message was edited by: Sardonic Shrug on 2006-02-27 22:09 ]"


Sardonic...I remember your first post that has since been lost.  I was afraid to comment on it as I too wanted to lash out at those that were dismissing the wave of emotions that were brought out by being "turned on" to this site.  I have seen that you now realize that we are not all a bunch of "disgruntled 20 year olds" with nothing better to do with our time than bash programs as many people lay into us about.  For nearly two decades I have repressed everything that happened at RMA that tweaked with my psyche and when I see so many other people going through the exact same things it made me start to remember and it really isn't a fun rollercoaster ride of emotions.  Lots of thigs were buried deep within our subconcious due to the sleep deprivation/physical exhaustion tecniques used in conjunction with their so called "excercises"...now that I am remembering alot of what happened to me at RMA and telling my story to my family and psychiatrist everybody has a new understanding for the trauma I have been experiencing post RMA.

I am not one of the people that has not gotten on with my life.  I have Degrees in Both Econ and Business...have contributed to society in many ways whether it be volunteer work or substitute teaching while running a business and restoring a house.  I'm not a lazy misfit.  I have tried "getting over it and moving on" for a long time now seeing both Psychologists and Psychiatrists all of whom have been baffled by my illness.  None of them doubted that I was "messed up" but they couldn't put their finger on it.  I have been a medical guinea pig for years with nothing working (supposed bipolar) but after seeing that I was better off meds...albeit still screwed up and tortured in my head...I felt destined for a life of hopelessness.  After finding this site and telling my story I have been rediagnosed with PTSD.  That is a whole new struggle in itself.

With regards to your comments on the brochure for Islandview...if you started checking out the websites for other schools...you will see that they all seem so benign yet they are still running things in similar if not the same ways.  And the glazed looks of happiness are there also.  I have checked out where the former RMA faculty of my day are now...(some of who don't even mention in their website Bio's that they were affiliated with RMA) and they have sprouted up as school directors all over the country.

Thanks for understanding

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Hyde Schools / Hyde School, The Most Truthful Informative Post I have Seen
« on: February 27, 2006, 11:13:00 PM »
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On 2006-02-27 11:48:00, tommyfromhyde1 wrote:

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On 2006-02-24 12:45:00, OKB4RMA wrote:



3. List the resources that are available to the students at Hyde. You know...the ones that cost money. What is the science lab like? Is there a planetarium? How many tennis courts? Soccer Fields? etc. etc. etc.





Big Olympic style gym and a pretty good outdoor track in Bath. Both new in '76. Old classrooms in the back of the Mansion. Priority...Sports!

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5. Describe...in detail...the weekly menu that a Hyde child eats.





Food was actually not that bad. Of course if you wrestled in the winter you didn't dare eat much of it, might not make weight. Priority...Sports!

Religion is just mind control.
--George Carlin, comedian

"


I was hoping to have more than 1/6 of my questions answered...but thus far...I'm not very impressed. :roll:

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On 2006-02-27 16:10:00, Willy B wrote:

"I recall back in 1985, 3 of us students rented some videos and were invited to Randy Eide and Caroline Wolfe's apartment above the field house to watch them.



Caroline came out of the shower with nothing but a small tower wrapped around her and proceeded to make herself comfortable on the carpet in front of the TV to watch Clint Eastwood flicks.



She laid the towel on the carpet and then laid down on top of it, face-down, and for 4 hours that was the view we got.



She also made endless sexual references and suggestions and invited me up to her apartment on two occassions, alone.  To think she did not have sex with students seems unlikely at best.  That Randy didn't care his "former" prostitute, CEDU grad girlfrien/fiance was lying naked in a room with three students, one of whom was having a sex contract for 6 months (me), was a little strange.





--Bill,"


You're shitting me :eek:

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Elan School / RMA held Elan and Provo over our heads
« on: February 27, 2006, 01:15:00 AM »
RMA was Rocky Mountain Academy...a CEDU school in Bonners Ferry, Idaho. It appears that there was more "physicality" at Elan than at RMA which were primarily the things that were "held over our heads"  My reason for posting here in the Elan threads is to try to get an understanding of where the schools overlapped in their ways.  It seems that there were some definite similarities with the group sessions, workshops, seminars (call them what you will) in the psychological sense.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Carlbrook
« on: February 27, 2006, 01:05:00 AM »
ok...it appears that a faculty member has come out of woodwork and made themselves known.  I can appreciate their desire for anonymity and their request for their name not to be "muddied".

I have just a couple questions for starters and hope that we can have some intelligent discourse without resorting to the "noise" that I read on this forum from both the "pro" and "anti" camps on this forum.

1.  Can I safely assume that if the poster is not Tim Brace, that he is privy to what is said here concerning Carlbrook?

2.  Would Tim be willing to field questions directly on this forum for the purpose of comparing and contrasting how Carlbrook is run now vs. the way that Rocky Mountain Academy was run while he was the director there?

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Hyde Schools / Hyde School, The Most Truthful Informative Post I have Seen
« on: February 24, 2006, 03:45:00 PM »
1. Show me the list of Successful Hyde graduates...something a little more than the Guy who is a comedian living in Hollywood (I'd sure love to go film his living situation and show you what "supposed success is like here in Hollywood :lol: )or the other kid with his letter of intent to play DivII Soccer.

2. Show me a ratio of Hyde students that enroll to Hyde Students that graduate and go on to College...show me a list of those colleges also.  Any TRUE prep school would be MORE THAN HAPPY to divulge that information...unless they actually are more of a treatment program than a school and hide behind the veil of "client/patient confidentiality)

3. List the resources that are available to the students at Hyde. You know...the ones that cost money. What is the science lab like? Is there a planetarium? How many tennis courts? Soccer Fields? etc. etc. etc.

4. Tell me the cost of Hyde's program.  Tell me about the additional costs that a parent may incur while their child is attending.

5. Describe...in detail...the weekly menu that a Hyde child eats.

6.  Tell me the amount of physical labor that the children at Hyde have to do (if any)...and if they do...who benefits from their free labor? (please don't tell me about the children benefitting by learning a "good work ethic"...that's not what I'm asking)

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Hyde Schools / Hyde School, The Most Truthful Informative Post I have Seen
« on: February 24, 2006, 12:30:00 AM »
and now for Andovers List...separated by category

Art
 
Carl Andre '53 ?Internationally-known sculptor

Joseph Cornell '21 (d.) ? Internationally-known artist; best know for his "box" art

Carroll Dunham '67 ? Influential American painter, known for expressionistic, eye-popping color and combination of biomorphism, cartooning and abstraction

Walker Evans '22 (d.) ? Photographer; won fame for Depression-era photos in Let Us Now Praise Famous Men

Cleve Gray '36 (d.) ? Painter known for large-scale, vividly colorful abstract compositions

Horatio Greenough , student in 1814-1815 (d.) ? Designer of Bunker Hill Monument; first American sculptor of international reputation

Mel Kendrick '67 ? Sculptor, known for innovative wood sculpture and cast work in bronze, rubber and plastic; 2002 recipient of Academy Award in Art

Angela Lorenz '83 ? Book artist; her limited editions represented in 50 public collections

William B. Macomber Jr. '40 (d.) ? Former president of Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York; former U.S. ambassador to Turkey

Beaumont Newhall '26 (d.) ? Photo historian; founder, Department of Photography, Museum of Modern Art, New York

Frank Stella '54 ?Leading American abstract artist in painting and metal reliefs

George C. Tooker '38 ? Internationally-known painter


Business and industry

William S. Beinecke '32 ? Former chairman of the board, The Sperry & Hutchinson Co.

Broughton H. Bishop '45 ? Chairman, CEO, Pendleton Woolen Mills

William W. Boeschenstein '44 ? Retired chairman, CEO and president, Owens-Corning Fiberglas Corporation

Harry M. Cornell Jr. '47 ? Chairman emeritus, former CEO, Leggett & Platt, Inc.

Ted Forstmann '57 ? Founding general partner, N.Y. investment firm Forstmann Little & Co.; co-founder, Children's Scholarship Fund

Richard L. Gelb '41 (d.) ? Chairman emeritus, Bristol-Myers Co.

David L. Gunn '55 ? President, Amtrak

John Hess '72 ? Chairman & CEO, Amerada Hess Corp.

Victor K . Kiam '44 (d.) ? President, Remington Products, Inc.; former owner, New England Patriots football team

John D. Macomber '46 ? Former president, Celanese Corporation; chairman, Export-Import Bank of U.S.

Richard A . Moore '32 (d.) ? Ambassador to Ireland; president, Western Broadcasting

Nicholas J. Nicholas Jr. '58 ? Former president and co-CEO, TIME-Warner, Inc.

Robert W. Sarnoff '35 (d.) ? Former president, RCA and NBC

Whitney Stevens '44 ? Former chairman, J.P. Stevens Co.

Alexander B. Trowbridge '47 ? See Government and public service

L. Stanton Williams '37 ? Former president of Pittsburgh Plate Glass Industries

Philip K. Wrigley '15 (d.) ? Manufacturer, Wrigley's Chewing Gum; owner, Chicago Cubs and Wrigley Field

Thomas H . Wyman (d.) '47 ? Former chairman and CEO of CBS


Economics

William D. Nordhaus '59 ? Economist; member of the Council of Economic Advisors, Carter administration

William S. Vickrey '31 (d.)? Nobel Prize-winning economist


Education
James Phinney Baxter '18 (d.) ? Former president, Williams College; Pulitzer Prize winner

Chris Bischof '88?Founder, Eastside College Preparatory School, East Palo Alto, Calif., for disadvantaged students

Fitzgerald B. Bramwell '62 ? Vice president for research and graduate studies, professor of chemistry and biochemistry, University of Kentucky

Richard H. Brodhead '64 ? President-elect, Duke University; Professor of English and Dean, Yale College

Rebecca Tyler Brown Abbot 1837 (d.) ? First assistant principal, Hampton Institute

Jeffrey Garten '64 ? Dean, Yale School of Management

A. Bartlett Giamatti '56 (d.) ? Former president, Yale University; commissioner of baseball

Anthony Grafton '67 ? Professor of history and chair, Council of the Humanities, Princeton; winner of Mellon Foundation's Distinguished Achievement Award

Richard Theodore Greener 1865 (d.) ? Teacher, editor, lawyer, diplomat; first black graduate, Harvard; law dean, Howard University; U.S. Consul, Vladivostok and Bombay

Ann McKeever Hatch '67 ? Founder, Oxbow School, Napa Valley, Calif., high school art immersion program; philanthropist; founder, Capp Street Project, San Francisco

Thomas H. Jackson '68 ? President, University of Rochester

John T. Kirkland 1786 (d.) ? President of Harvard, 1810-1828

Thomas C. Mendenhall '28 (d.) ? Former president, Smith College

Elizabeth Luce Moore '18 ? Former SUNY board president; former chair Institute for International Education and YWCA International Division

Joseph Hardy Neesima 1867 (d.) ? Founder, Doshisha University, largest private university in Japan; first Japanese ordained Congregational minister

David Pingree '50 ? MacArthur Award-winning Brown University classicist

David J. Smith '62 ? Educator; developer of award-winning curriculum, "Mapping the World by Heart; children's book author, "If the World Were a Village"

Peter P. Smith '64 ? Assistant director-general for education, UNESCO; founding president, California State University, Monterey Bay

Thomas P. Smith , Andover student in 1838 (d.) ? Leader in Boston's black community seeking black separatist "Smith Schools"

David J. Steinberg '55 ? President, Long Island University


Engineering and Architecture

William LeBaron Jenny 1846 (d.) ? Builder of first skyscraper

Guy Nordenson '73 ? Associate professor, Princeton School of Architecture; founder, Structural Engineers Association of New York

Frederick Law Olmsted 1838 (d.) ? Landscape architect; designed New York's Central Park


Entertainment and the arts

Leslie H. Blank Jr. '54 ? Award-winning independent documentary film maker

Humphrey Bogart '20 (d.) ? Film actor

Tom Chapin '75 (d.) ? Band leader and composer, The Thomas Chapin Trio; former musical director, Lionel Hampton Band

Frank Converse '56 ? Actor

Dana Delany '74 ? Actress, producer; winner of Emmy Awards in 1989 and 1992 for ABC-TV's China Beach

Hollis W. Frampton Jr. '54 (d.) ? Internationally-known film maker

Brian Henson '82? President, Jim Henson Productions

Eugen Indjic '65 ? Internationally renowned concert pianist

Theresa Koff '86? Writer, producer, NBC-TV's Law & Order

Jack Lemmon '43 (d.) ? Academy Award-winning actor in Mister Roberts and Save the Tiger; Emmy Award winner for TV miniseries Tuesdays with Morrie

Jonathan Meath '74 - Children's TV producer, PBS's Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego? and ZOOM

Daniel R. Pinkham Jr. '40 ? Internationally-known composer

Thomas S. Seligson '64 ? CBS producer; writer of Parade Magazine profiles

Peter Sellars '75 ? Opera, theatre, film director; MacArthur Fellow and Emmy Award winner; former artistic director, Los Angeles Festival and American National Theatre

Duncan Sheik '88 ? Singer-songwriter; Top 20 hit Barely Breathing; gold album Duncan Sheik

Samuel Francis Smith, Seminary 1832 (d.) ? Wrote national hymn "America" while Andover Theological Seminary student

Robert Smythe '78 ? Founder, artistic director, Mum Puppettheatre; 1998 Guggenheim Fellow

James Spader '78 ? Actor; co-star, TV's Boston Legal; Best Actor Award, 1989 Cannes Film Festival

Ming Tsai '82? Chef; star of public television's Simply Ming; owner of Blue Ginger restaurant; author of Blue Ginger: East Meets West Cooking with Ming Tsai.

Richard A. Wolf '64 ? Creator, executive producer, NBC-TV's Law & Order, Law & Order Special Victims Unit, Wolf Films

Dan Zanes '79 ? Recording artist; member of the Del Fuegos; most recent CDs of children's music, House Party, Night Time!, Family Dance

Warren Zanes '83 ? Vice president of education, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame; member of the Del Fuegos



Exploration


Ian Baker '75 ? Himalayan explorer, Buddhist scholar, photographer, author; discovered Hidden Falls of Tsangpo; named National Geographic Explorer for the Millennium

Hiram Bingham 1894 (d.) ? Archaeologist; rediscovered ancient ruin of Machu Picchu in Peru

Britton Keeshan '00 ? Youngest person to complete the Seven Summits by climbing the tallest peaks on seven continents, including Mt. Everest in May 2004.



Government and public service

Paul "Jerry" Bremer '59 ? U.S. civilian administrator in Iraq, appointed by President George W. Bush; former ambassador to the Netherlands and President Reagan's ambassador-at-large for counterterrorism


George Bush '42 ? 41st President of the United States

George W. Bush '64 ? 43rd President of the United States

John "Jeb" Bush '71 ? Governor of Florida

Lincoln D. Chafee '71 ? U.S. Senator, Republican-Rhode Island

Harlan Cleveland '34 ? Director, Hubert H. Humphrey Institute of Public Affairs; former U.S. ambassador to NATO

Raymond C. Clevenger III '55 ? Judge, U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit

Walter J.P. Curley '40 ? Ambassador to France; former ambassador to Ireland

Edward E. Elson '52 ? Former ambassador to Denmark; founding director, National Public Radio

Annie Edwards, Abbot 1855 (d.) ? First woman postmaster in U.S., Rockford, Ill.

Thomas Foley '71 ? Director of private sector development, Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq

Gerhard A. Gesell '28 (d.) ? U.S. District Judge, District of Columbia; prominent in Watergate, Oliver North trials

Robert Ingersoll '33 ? Deputy secretary of state under President Nixon; former U.S. ambassador to Japan

Clay Johnson III '64 ? Deputy director, U.S. Office of Management and Budget

Patrick J. Kennedy '86? U.S. Representative, Democrat-Rhode Island

Franklin L. Lavin '75 ? U.S. ambassador to Singapore

Gen. Barry R. McCaffrey '60 ? Former director, Office of National Drug Control Policy, Clinton administration; four-star Army general and Desert Storm commander; teacher of national securities studies at West Point

William H. Moody 1871 (d.) ? U.S. Supreme Court Justice

Robert H. Pelletreau Jr. '53 ? Ambassador to Tunisia; U.S. liaison with PLO

Lovett C. Peters '32 ? Founder, Pioneer Institute for Public Policy Research


Anthony Quainton '51 ? Diplomat in residence, American University; former president, National Policy Association; former director general, U.S. Foreign Service; adviser on antiterrorist policy to every president since Gerald Ford

Josiah Quincy 1786 (d.) ? Mayor of Boston, 1823-1828; president of Harvard College, 1828-1845

W. Bradford Reynolds '60 ? Former U.S. assistant attorney general, Reagan administration

Charles F.C. Ruff '56 (d.) ? Chairman, Fair Labor Association; White House Counsel during Clinton impeachment trial; member of Watergate Special Prosecution Force

James Shannon '69 ? Former U.S. Representative, Massachusetts; former Massachusetts attorney general

Henry L. Stimson 1883 (d.) ? Secretary of War under Presidents Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman; member of five presidential administrations; FDR's key adviser on atomic policy

Alexander B. Trowbridge '47 ? U.S. Secretary of Commerce under President Lyndon Johnson; former president, National Association of Manufacturers

William Ury '70 ? See Literature and writing

Christopher A. Wray '85? Chief of the U.S. Justice Department's Criminal Division


Journalism and publishing

Sam Allis '64 ? Columnist, Boston Globe; correspondent, Time magazine

Jonathan H. Alter '75 ? Senior editor/ columnist, Newsweek; contributing correspondent, NBC News

Willow Bay '81? CNN News anchor

H.G. "Buzz" Bissinger III '72 ? Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist; author of Friday Night Lights

Melissa Biggs Bradley '85 ? Senior editor, Town & Country magazine

Otis Chandler '46 ? Former publisher, Los Angeles Times

Kenneth J. Cooper '73 ? Pulitzer Prize-winning Boston Globe reporter

Lucy Danziger '78 ? Editor-in-chief, Self magazine

John Darnton '60 ? Pulitzer Prize-winning foreign correspondent, New York Times

David B. Ensor '69 ? CNN correspondent

William Hamilton '58 ? Syndicated New Yorker cartoonist; author; playwright

John F. Kennedy Jr. '79 (d.) ? Publisher, George magazine

William E. "Bill" Littlefield Jr. '66 ? Host of NPR's Only a Game; author; award-winning journalist; sports commentator

Jeffrey K. MacNelly '65 (d.) ? Creator of Shoe cartoon; editorial cartoonist; winner of two Pulitzer Prizes

Despina Plakias Messinesi '29 (d.) ? Former travel editor, fashion editor, Vogue magazine

Seth A. Mydans '64 ? New York Times foreign correspondent

Gerard Piel '33 ? Former publisher and president, Scientific American

Jane Pratt '80 ? Editor-in-chief, Jane magazine; author

Robert B. Semple Jr. '54 ? Associate editor, editorial page, New York Times; Pulitzer Prize winner for environmental editorial writing

William Davis Taylor '27 (d.) ? Former publisher, chairman of the board, Boston Globe

Evan Thomas '69 ? Assistant managing editor, Newsweek; author, Robert Kennedy: His Life


 
Literature and writing

Julia Alvarez '67 ? Critically acclaimed poet, novelist; author of How the Garcia Girls Lost Their Accents; professor of English, Middlebury College

Michael R. Beschloss '73 ? See Social action and community service

Edgar Rice Burroughs 1894 (d.) ? Author of Tarzan novels

Oliver Wendell Holmes 1825 (d.) ? Poet, literary leader and doctor

Tracy Kidder '63 ? Pulitzer Prize-winning author; novelist

Ring Lardner Jr . '32 (d.) ? Author, Hollywood screen writer ( MASH )

Lucy Lippard '54 ? Cultural critic; feminist; theorist; political activist; author, On the Beaten Track: Tourism, Art and Place

Gordon Lish '52 ? Influential literary figure; author, Krupp's Lulu ; Guggenheim Fellowship recipient; founder of two literary magazines; teacher

Paul Monette '63 (d.) ? Writer; poet; AIDS activist; English teacher; winner, National Book Award for Becoming a Man: Half a Life Story

Stacy Schiff '78 ? Pulitzer Prize winner for biography, Vera

Charles Monroe Sheldon 1879 (d.) ? Pastor; author of religious novel, In His Steps, which outsold every book except the Bible.

Benjamin Spock '21 (d.) ? Author; authority on child-rearing; anti-war activist

Elizabeth Marshall Thomas '49 ? Author

Shelby Tucker '53 ? Travel author, Among Insurgents: Walking Through Burma; world traveler and adventurer

James Ramsey Ullman '25 (d.) ? Author, The White Tower; chronicler of mountaineering

William Ury '70 ? Best-selling author, Getting to Yes; international peace negotiator


 Medicine


Bernard Ackerman '54 ? Former director, Institute for Dermatopatholgy, Jefferson Medical College; founder, Ackerman Academy of Dermatopathology; board member, Coalition and Center for Ethical Medical Testimony

Alexander de Lahunta '51 ? World-class neuroanotomist, clinical neurologist, neuropathologist; author; James Law Professor of Anatomy, Cornell University College of Veterinary Medicine

Louis J. Elsas II '54 ? Director, Division of Medical Genetics, Emory University School of Medicine; president, Association of Professors of Human and Medical Genetics

Oliver Wendell Holmes 1825 (d.) ? See Literature and writing

Paul McHugh '48 ? Psychiatrist-in-chief, Johns Hopkins Hospital; co-chairman, Ethics Committee at the American College of Neuropsychopharmacology; author, Genes, Brain, and Behavior

David Nathan '47 ? President emeritus, Dana-Farber Cancer Institute; 1990 National Medal of Science winner

Benjamin Spock '21 (d.) ? See Literature and writing

Chris Weatherley-White '50 ? Plastic surgeon with Operation Smile, bringing reconstructive surgery to children in Third World nations


 Military

Sullivan Ballou 1849 (d.) ? Civil War major in the 2nd Rhode Island Volunteers who died at the Battle of Bull Run. His letter to his wife Sarah was featured in the PBS series, The Civil War.

Capt. (ret.) Thomas J. Hudner Jr. '43 ? Recipient of Congressional Medal of Honor; commissioner of Veterans Services, Commonwealth of Massachusetts

Gen. Barry R. McCaffrey '60 ? See Government and public service

Rear Admiral (ret.) Richard H. O'Kane '30 (d.) ? Recipient of Congressional Medal of Honor; author

Major General James Parker 1870. (d.) ? Commissioned in 1876, he served through World War I.  For valor displayed during the Spanish-American War, he received the Congressional Medal of Honor.


Arthur Murray Preston '31 (d.) ? Recipient of Congressional Medal of Honor for action as World War II torpedo boat commander

Lt.-Gen. Sir John Watts '48 (d.) ? Distinguished British commander of special forces; Chief of Defense Staff in Oman; knighted.



Science
 
Dr. Charles Greeley Abbot 1891 (d.) ? Pioneer in astrophysics and solar energy; headed Smithsonian Institution

Constance Brinckerhoff '59 ? Molecular biologist; professor, Dartmouth Medical School; recipient of Merit award from National Institutes of Health

Mary Wilkes Eubanks '65 ? Botanist; senior research scientist, Duke University; president, Sun Dance Genetics

Nicholas J. Hadley '72 ? Physicist; professor of physics, University of Maryland; member of team that discovered the Quark

William S. Knowles '35 ? Winner of Nobel Prize in chemistry

Alfred Lee Loomis '05 (d.) ? Physicist, lawyer, investment banker; invented Loran radar system; director of radar research in WWII; father of ultrasonics

Othniel Charles Marsh 1856 (d.) ? First professor of paleontology, Yale; established Yale's Peabody Museum of Natural History

Marvin Minsky '45 ? Authority on artificial intelligence, computers, robotics

Samuel F.B. Morse 1805 (d.) ? Inventor of telegraph, Morse code; painter and president of National Academy of Design

George Pieczenik '61 ? Biochemist in genetic research; associate professor at Rutgers University

Gerard Piel '33 ? See Journalism and publishing

Herbert Scoville '33 (d.) ? Nuclear physicist, Los Alamos; chief scientist in President Kennedy's U.S. Arms Control and Disarmament Agency

Lyman Spitzer Jr. '31 (d.)? International leader in stellar dynamics, plasma physics, thermonuclear fusion, space astronomy; designer of first telescope-bearing satellite; author of idea of placing large telescope in space and driving force behind development of Hubble Space Telescope.

George Hoyt Whipple 1896 (d.) ? Winner of 1933 Nobel Prize for cure for pernicious anemia

George M. Whitesides '57 ? Professor of chemistry, Harvard; 1998 National Medal of Science winner


Social action and community service

 
Hafsat Abiola '92 ? Nigerian political activist; winner, 1999 Women to Watch award, Association of Women's Development

Prince Rahim Aga Khan '90 ? Executive director, Aga Khan Fund for Economic Development, world's second largest private economic development foundation

John Badman III '62 ? Chairman, The Conference of Patriotic and Historical Societies

Michael R. Beschloss '73 ? Award-winning historian; author; Annenberg senior fellow; director, Annenberg Project on Television and U.S. Foreign Policy

Sarah Chayes '80?Director, Project BALCO, market-based production cooperative in rural Southern Afghanistan; former Kandahar field director, Afghans for Civil Society; former foreign correspondent, National Public Radio

William Sloane Coffin Jr. '42 ? Minister, Riverside Church, New York; former chaplain, Yale; civil rights proponent and peace activist

Justin W. Dart Jr. '49 (d.) ? Advocate for rights of disabled people; primary force behind Americans with Disabilities Act; Medal of Freedom recipient

Edith Williamson Kean '54 ? Director of landscape design for Green Thumb, New York City Parks and Recreation Department

Robert C . Macauley '41 ? Founder and director, Americares, international relief agency

Kathryn L. Mulvey '84 ? Executive director of Infact, public interest group that targets corporate abuse

Benjamin Spock, M.D. '21 (d.) ? See Literature and writing

Audrey Synnott '54 ? Sister of Mercy; coordinator of sisters' associates program serving healthcare facilities and schools

Theodore Weld 1820 (d.) ? Abolitionist; anti-slavery agitator with Edmund Quincy, Class of 1817

Heather White '76 ? Founder of Verite, non-profit organization that monitors factory conditions for goods produced by child labor and sweatshops

Sports and athletics
 

William S. "Bill" Belichick '71 ? Head coach, New England Patriots, Super Bowl XXXVI, XXXVIII and XXXIX Champions

A. Bartlett Giamatti '56 (d.) ? See Education

Victor K . Kiam '44 (d.) ? See Business and industry

James P. McLane '49 ? Olympic swimming champion; winner of three gold and one silver medals at 1948 and 1952 Olympics; International Swimming Hall of Fame

William L. Veeck Jr. '32 (d.) ? Owner, Chicago White Sox

Philip K. Wrigley '15 (d.) ? See Business and industry


so don't even think of comparing Hyde to a REAL PREP SCHOOL. :razz:

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Lewis Cass (1792) - Secretary of State
Samuel Conner (1794) - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts
Daniel Webster (1796) - U.S. Senator from Massachusetts, born in New Hampshire
John Adams Dix (1810) - Secretary of the Treasury, Senator from New York, Governor of New York
George Bancroft (1811) - Historian, Secretary of Navy, and founder of the United States Naval Academy.
Franklin Pierce (1820) - 14th U.S. President
Alpheus Felch (c. 1822) - U.S. Senator and Governor of Michigan
John Parker Hale (c. 1824) - U.S. Representative and Senator and abolitionist from New Hampshire
Amos Tappan Akerman (c.1839) - U.S. Attorney General, 1870-1872 [1]
Robert Todd Lincoln (1860) - Son of President Abraham Lincoln, US Secretary of War.
John Edwards Leonard (1863) - U.S. Representative from Louisiana
Emmanuel Sollavou (1867) - 2nd African American to Graduate from Harvard (link)
Ulysses S. (Buck) Grant, Jr. (c. 1870) - Entrepreneur, Son of President Ulysses S. Grant
Frederick Winslow Taylor (1874)
Gifford Pinchot (1885) - First Chief Forester of the US Forest Service
George Higgins (1887) - U.S. Senator from New Hampshire
Thomas Lamont (1888) - Partner and chairman of Board of Directors of J.P. Morgan & Co..
Booth Tarkington (1889) - Winner, Pulitzer Prize
Thomas Coffin (1906) - U.S. Representative from Idaho
Lawrence Dennis (1912?) - Author and economist
Norris Cotton (1918?) - U.S. Representative and Senator from New Hampshire
James Agee (1928) - Author and critic
Pierre DuPont III (1930)
Adolph Coors III (1933) - Businessman
Arthur Schlesinger Jr. (1933) - Historian
Richard Bolling (c. 1934) - U.S. Representative from Missouri
Joseph Coors (1935)
James T. Aubrey, Jr. (c. 1936), President of CBS and MGM
Lex Barker (1938) - Actor
 Burke Marshall (1940) - U.S. Assistant Attorney General
Gore Vidal (1943) - Author
George Plimpton (1944) - Author/Journalist
John Knowles (1945) - Author (A Separate Peace)
Carlos Romero Barceló (1949) - Former Governor of Puerto Rico
Pierre Dupont IV (1952)
John D. "Jay" Rockefeller IV (1954) - Senator from West Virginia
Stewart Brand (1956) - Editor, author, Internet pioneer
H. John Heinz III (1956) - Former Senator from Pennsylvania
John Negroponte (1956) - The first Director of National Intelligence
Peter Benchley (1957)- Journalist, Presidential Speech Writer, Author and Screenwriter (Jaws)
Daniel Dennett (1959) - Philosopher
Charles C. Krulak (1960) - 31st Commandant of the U.S Marine Corps
John Irving (1961) - Author
David Darst (1965) - Author and Investment Strategist
Peter H. Coors (1965) - 2004 Republican Senatorial candidate from Colorado
Judd Gregg (1965) - Senator from New Hampshire
Kent Conrad (1966) - Senator from North Dakota
David Eisenhower (1966)
Fred Grandy (1966) - Actor
Joyce Maynard (1971)
Suzy Welch (1977) - Journalist, author, married to former GE CEO Jack Welch
Ted Hope (1980) - Producer
Paul Klebnikov (1981) - Journalist
Dan Brown (1982) - Bestselling author (The Da Vinci Code)
Chang-Rae Lee (1983) - Author
John Forté (1993) - Musician
Win Butler (1998) - Musician (Lead singer of The Arcade Fire)
Sam Fuld (2000) - Professional Baseball Player  

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