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Title: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
Post by: garystadler on January 17, 2010, 07:51:37 AM
he Elan Community
by Eliscu2 » 10 Dec 2009, 16:56

Danny Bennison wrote:
I was an ex-staff and Director and I have experienced some hostility from ex-residents. Now to be honest I can't say I have handeled the conversations well especially the passionate ones. Now I was 17,18 and 19 when I was staff and I don't pretend to stand here and say I knew the job professionally or was trained. It was 31yrs. ago. I am having trouble adjusting, (I was a resident like everyone else than went to staff at 17 (what a joke) ) with my fellow residents. Would really like some advice on my re-entry back in to socializing. I have not done this since 1978 didn't even know these sites excisted.

Go Blow Jeff Gottlieb or Marty.
No body remembers you, but they remember each other hmmmmm.
Push your  somewhere else. "It has become appalling obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity." Albert Einstein
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Title: Re: New Forum Policies
Post by: garystadler on January 17, 2010, 07:52:54 AM
Is that an attack and violation.seems like the language is far from appropriate :timeout: :timeout:
Title: Re: New Forum Policies
Post by: garystadler on January 17, 2010, 08:05:49 AM
:notworthy:  :notworthy:
Title: Re: New Forum Policies
Post by: garystadler on January 17, 2010, 08:07:43 AM
:fuckoff:
Title: Re: New Forum Policies
Post by: garystadler on January 17, 2010, 08:09:26 AM
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Ursus is the most annoying poster on this forum. Is ursus a undercover troll or just retarded? Protip: Post links instead copypasta! you are making pages impossible to navigate. on purpose?? hmmmmm I like the way Ursus posts things! So, FUCK OFF! Get yourself a computer upgrade and try a 20" w... :soapbox: Nice way of expressing herself. ::unhappy::
Title: Re: New Forum Policies
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2010, 08:13:30 AM
Quote from: "garystadler"
he Elan Community
by Eliscu2 » 10 Dec 2009, 16:56

Danny Bennison wrote:
I was an ex-staff and Director and I have experienced some hostility from ex-residents. Now to be honest I can't say I have handeled the conversations well especially the passionate ones. Now I was 17,18 and 19 when I was staff and I don't pretend to stand here and say I knew the job professionally or was trained. It was 31yrs. ago. I am having trouble adjusting, (I was a resident like everyone else than went to staff at 17 (what a joke) ) with my fellow residents. Would really like some advice on my re-entry back in to socializing. I have not done this since 1978 didn't even know these sites excisted.

Go Blow Jeff Gottlieb or Marty.
No body remembers you, but they remember each other hmmmmm.
Push your  somewhere else. "It has become appalling obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity." Albert Einstein
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This was from Eliscu2, am I correct?
Title: Re: New Forum Policies
Post by: garystadler on January 17, 2010, 09:06:28 AM
Yes it is
Title: Re: New Forum Policies
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2010, 09:24:50 AM
I think Danny should refrain from communicating with anyone about his personal life via. e-mail or otherwise.  There are people who will use e-mails, private messages and/or statements from other websites to discredit him in lieu of his work history at Elan.
Title: Re: New Forum Policies
Post by: garystadler on January 17, 2010, 10:14:53 AM
:rasta:
Title: Re: New Forum Policies
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2010, 10:22:06 AM
What legal process takes place before an adult is committed to a state hospital?
Title: Re: New Forum Policies
Post by: garystadler on January 17, 2010, 10:36:36 AM
:cheers:
Title: Re: New Forum Policies
Post by: psy on January 17, 2010, 10:41:21 AM
How did this thread turn into one about Elan?  I'm confused.
Title: Re: New Forum Policies
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2010, 10:43:36 AM
I don't harbor ill feelings towards Felice and hope she doing well.  This is my last post in this thread.
Title: Re: New Forum Policies
Post by: garystadler on January 17, 2010, 10:49:02 AM
:rocker:
Title: Re: New Forum Policies
Post by: garystadler on January 17, 2010, 11:07:06 AM
:birthday:
Title: Re: New Forum Policies
Post by: psy on January 17, 2010, 11:17:54 AM
As much as I like seeing such active discussion, can you guys start another thread since all this is wildly off-topic?
Title: Re: New Forum Policies
Post by: psy on January 17, 2010, 11:25:40 AM
Quote from: "Eliscu2"
Anyone who posts here runs the risk of someone calling DCFS on them.
I wouldn't quite say that's true.  Authorities would have to subpoena a person's identity.  Even if you were to give your full name and number here it still would not be evidence.  They would still have to prove it's you and that you were telling the truth about whatever you claimed you did.  Furthermore, I can't see anything being held against anybody in court.  Ask a lawyer about "heresay" evidence and you'll get a much more thorough explanation.

But anyway.  Can you guys please move this to another thread?
Title: Re: New Forum Policies
Post by: garystadler on January 17, 2010, 11:28:14 AM
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Title: Re: New Forum Policies
Post by: garystadler on January 17, 2010, 11:30:30 AM
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Title: New Forum Policies
Post by: garystadler on January 17, 2010, 11:39:44 AM
:timeout:
Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
Post by: mark babitz on January 17, 2010, 11:56:51 AM
:cheers:
Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2010, 12:59:32 PM
:shamrock:
Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2010, 01:43:07 PM
:shamrock:
Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
Post by: mark babitz on January 17, 2010, 06:57:12 PM
I am glad your able to be open about your feelings Danny, but this forum was split to keep Felice away and stop her from crying. I nor Gary or anyone really care about Felice and bothering with her.She invites the trouble and gets it .shame on her. and to comment on how someone treats someone is calling the kettle black-ex staffer ,, And that being said , who in the fuck are you to call someone sick ex staffer. Your another one with too much info out there to talk too much shit pal.I am not one of those woman and you know it, I have verbally beat you down before take some pointers from it.This area is unrefereed not like the last one, we were told to yell and fight here. So if thats what you came for you will find it. And from reading about you, you will find it. but Danny there is no site director to cry to here they dont care, thats why they moved us here so be careful and enter at your own risk.And leave your Bitch  home in Platteville. :peace:  :peace:  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :rasta:  :rasta:
Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
Post by: Ursus on January 17, 2010, 07:03:35 PM
Quote from: "mark babitz"
this forum was split to keep Felice away and stop her from crying
Source for your assertion?

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This forum is offered to absolutely anyone with any kind of interest in the troubled parent inustry, cults, thought reform or any tangentally related topic. It is a resource to facilitate open, unmoderated discussion relating to the topics designated by individual forum moderators and to promote coordination and networking efforts relating to them...
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Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2010, 07:06:18 PM
Quote from: "mark babitz"
I am glad your able to be open about your feelings Danny, but this forum was split to keep Felice away and stop her from crying. I nor Gary or anyone really care about Felice and bothering with her.She invites the trouble and gets it .shame on her. and to comment on how someone treats someone is calling the kettle black-ex staffer ,, And that being said , who in the fuck are you to call someone sick ex staffer. Your another one with too much info out there to talk too much shit pal.I am not one of those woman and you know it, I have verbally beat you down before take some pointers from it.This area is unrefereed not like the last one, we were told to yell and fight here. So if thats what you came for you will find it. And from reading about you, you will find it. but Danny there is no site director to cry to here they dont care, thats why they moved us here so be careful and enter at your own risk.And leave your Bitch  home in Platteville. :peace:  :peace:  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :rasta:  :rasta:

Do you have employment records and/or any documentation pertinent to his job performance at Elan?
Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2010, 07:14:29 PM
Quote
I nor Gary or anyone really care about Felice and bothering with her.She invites the trouble and gets it .shame on her.

I am confident you can discuss the matter in a responsible manner.  Whereas people may be receptive to your ideas.  Otherwise, this coup attempt will accomplish nothing.
Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
Post by: mark babitz on January 17, 2010, 07:16:22 PM
:rocker: No I dont ,I am going by what he has said and posted , I dont even know if he is being honest. He claimed Joe Ricci was his guardian and he got shanghaied into it. Claims to being apart or watching some kid get dragged from a car by staff or something to that effect. I think he is full of shit and I have always said that. All the deep dark stuff about Elan he should be able share and he doesn't, boast to have med records etc.I take him with a grain of salt he goes from site to site with his companion starting fights.
Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2010, 07:19:17 PM
Quote
She invites the trouble and gets it .shame on her. and to comment on how someone treats someone is calling the kettle black-ex staffer ,,

I am confident you can engage in discussions without using his work history against him.  People are making allot of comments towards Danny because he worked at Elan.  These comments, in my opinion, are not fair.
Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2010, 07:24:03 PM
Quote
All the deep dark stuff about Elan he should be able share and he doesn't, boast to have med records etc.I take him with a grain of salt he goes from site to site with his companion starting fights.

It is entirely his choice to discuss his experiences.  You, nor anyone else, should dictate otherwise by means of harassment.
Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
Post by: mark babitz on January 17, 2010, 07:27:57 PM
Quote from: "Ursus"
Quote from: "mark babitz"
this forum was split to keep Felice away and stop her from crying
Source for your assertion?

From the Fornits' FAQ (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/faq.php):

    Terms of use
    This forum is offered to absolutely anyone with any kind of interest in the troubled parent inustry, cults, thought reform or any tangentally related topic. It is a resource to facilitate open, unmediated discussion relating to the topics designated by individual forum moderators and to promote coordination and networking efforts relating to them...
    [/list]
    ::OMG:: What exactly are you trying to say, spit it out I dont need directions you do.and some reading lessons. Nothing was said until Felice started up and I am sure she will wonder over here why who knows.My post and Gary's were all Elan directed, go back and read, and then she came along with Elan people dont have time for this.go back and read.I still gather and post I have my direction and will run over anything that gets in the way. So WHY would anyone find need to bother me or try and insult what I am doing,I once again ask drop the Felice crusade and get on to Elan but you guys wont and thats what makes the game fun. ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2010, 07:29:22 PM
    Quote from: "mark babitz"
    :rocker: No I dont ,I am going by what he has said and posted , I dont even know if he is being honest. He claimed Joe Ricci was his guardian and he got shanghaied into it. Claims to being apart or watching some kid get dragged from a car by staff or something to that effect. I think he is full of shit and I have always said that. All the deep dark stuff about Elan he should be able share and he doesn't, boast to have med records etc.I take him with a grain of salt he goes from site to site with his companion starting fights.
     

    How long do you plan on busting his balls?  I suspect you went to Elan, therefor you're upset with him.  You did not interact with him at Elan.  Danny should not bear the brunt of your anger.  It is time to move on.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 17, 2010, 07:34:23 PM
    :feedtrolls:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2010, 07:42:08 PM
    Quote
    When Danny can speak like a gentlemen he will be spoken to like one, I must ask are you Danny's Attorney or lover. I generally take care of my own business and problems, or am I be too nosey ??? Do you chew his food ??

    Are you Danny's Attorney or lover?  No
    Do you chew his food ? No
    Am I be too nosy?  This is not the correct question to ask.

    I wrote earlier, "It is time to move on."  You show no signs of doing that.  It  would not hurt to get professional help.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 17, 2010, 07:47:13 PM
    Quote from: "exposecedu"
    When Danny can speak like a gentlemen he will be spoken to like one, I must ask are you Danny's Attorney or lover. I generally take care of my own business and problems, or am I be too nosey ??? Do you chew his food ??

    Are you Danny's Attorney or lover?  No
    Do you chew his food ? No
    Am I be too nosy?  This is not the correct question to ask.

    I wrote earlier, "It is time to move on."  You show no signs of doing that.  I think you should get professional help.
    :rocker: You fuck me up with your responces. your funny you win ha ha. I dont how to respond, you got me ::fullofshit::  :rasta:  :rasta:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Che Gookin on January 17, 2010, 07:58:48 PM
    With quality like this it doesn't take much to understand why Elan is still around.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: fornits on January 17, 2010, 09:10:54 PM
    'Mark babitz' aka 'Gary Stadler' ‘Randy Jackson’ is an Elan School Cult operative deliberately publicly behaving in a deranged manner and posting distractions to obfuscate investigation and application of criminal penalty to the criminals that organize the Elan School Cult.

    That's my opinion (and Antigen's), anyway.

    "They" are likely to be characters created by the same person, along with 'bossybee' and 'Rose.'

    Have you noticed they write in the same style, and pose the exact same justifications for their harmful (to effective advocacy for the victims of Elan) internet screeds? I don't think that's a coincidence.

    A Felice, and Danny...only post in the CAN Elan school forum, where his/ her antics will be deleted and you can assemble a meaningful body of evidence pertinent to the Elan School Cult.

    viewforum.php?f=75 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=75)

    My 2 cents.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2010, 12:54:46 AM
    :shamrock:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2010, 01:41:28 AM
    :shamrock:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 18, 2010, 03:00:14 AM
    Quote from: "Danny Bennison"
    BE NICE EVERYONE................KARMA.............REMEMBER



    I think your Karma will be biting you in the rear end soon enough.  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 18, 2010, 03:01:35 AM
    Quote from: "Che Gookin"
    With quality like this it doesn't take much to understand why Elan is still around.



    This wisdom coming from filthy mouth..classic :blabla:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 18, 2010, 03:07:01 AM
    Quote from: "fornits"
    'Mark babitz' aka 'Gary Stadler' ‘Randy Jackson’ is an Elan School Cult operative deliberately publicly behaving in a deranged manner and posting distractions to obfuscate investigation and application of criminal penalty to the criminals that organize the Elan School Cult.

    That's my opinion (and Antigen's), anyway.

    "They" are likely to be characters created by the same person, along with 'bossybee' and 'Rose.'

    Have you noticed they write in the same style, and pose the exact same justifications for their harmful (to effective advocacy for the victims of Elan) internet screeds? I don't think that's a coincidence.

    A Felice, and Danny...only post in the CAN Elan school forum, where his/ her antics will be deleted and you can assemble a meaningful body of evidence pertinent to the Elan School Cult.

    viewforum.php?f=75 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=75)

    My 2 cents.
             
    Im glad we got good wanna be detectives around here stupid ignorance is beyond. Kewl. I think fornits is a compete utter joke.  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2010, 03:09:20 AM
    Who upset you this time?
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 18, 2010, 03:10:01 AM
    Quote from: "Danny Bennison"
    Quote from: "Che Gookin"
    With quality like this it doesn't take much to understand why Elan is still around.

    LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..`DE CHE MON.......We are a distinctive quarry aren't we......boo hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I refuse to surrender.....onward.....lol. What else can we do.......don't say it!!!!!! lol.
    Unreal you actually were a staff member and act younger than me?? Dude you are very crazied, go get some prozac or something before you hurt yourself thinkin to much.  :spam:  :spam:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 18, 2010, 03:16:03 AM
    Quote from: "exposecedu"
    Who upset you this time?
    i find this ridiculous on going load of bullshit. no one upset me but they just accused me of being a fat 40 year old and i am a gay 20 year old with a life in store for me. oh i see the resemblance from the dectectives around here that puppet every1's thoughts. fornits suck so gunna go find somewhere else to hang. people here need serious therapy, but hey Danny is available for sessions or Felice, they seem to run the show around here. and either would i turn my back on.  :twofinger:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2010, 03:16:30 AM
    How much beer have you drank tonight?
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 18, 2010, 09:44:43 AM
    ::OMG::  ::OMG:: I find it hard to understand why you would split a thread and move some of us to our own area and now we still get the rush of Dany Bennison and someone new probable Felice as a troll. They think to know what they are talking about ,writing styles of people. Come on they aren't focused enough to make a observation like that . Because some of us speak harshly about Elan and fight back when people speak out of turn.That's not a writing style, it anger and thats a universal language. And if it was true who cares??. Its should put a smart person on guard ,that the people talking do know the workings of a computer and how to stay covert.That's being said, why do they follow then complain ?? It was apparent when you made your decision that you were trying to gain focus on the topics we were accused of distorting. But then they go seek the fight.Its all on the site and I know you can read threw it. I am not writing to complain or ask for your help. I just ask that next time they complain tell them too shut up and mind themselves. They are the pursuers and you set them up to show it. You will not find myself or any of the accused attack on other pages nor seek out targets. I personal have asked and warned them to back off but they dont seem to get it. Now maybe you will.They say the post are similar, well if they knew anything about researching Elan ,there is not allot of published info to provide. But non of them ever got the far into investigating Elan. to know that.I dont know if you were there, I was from 74-75 until the State of ill pulled us out due to abuse allegations etc, so I do have experience and times to talk about and insight to speack about Elan and places like it.I am not Complaining just wondering why these people find the need to instigate and not just move on?? . I thank you for your time and consideration, Have a great day Mark Babitz.  :jawdrop:  :beat:  P.S. Please dont take them out of the group just understand about being in the group :beat: .As I have shown you PSY I can drum up hits on a site look at the hits and post when I jumped in and Gary. It went from 50 views to 1400 or better post went from 12 or so to over 100 I believe, :cheers:  :rocker:  :rasta:  :jamin: I put dynamite :flame:  on paper, and people unarguably like it :rocker:  :rocker:  :rasta:  :rasta:  ::OMG::  :notworthy: . But notice how many post, apposed to views, it shows more read then talk, and thats why God gave us two ears and one mouth.I appreciate you letting us on the site, you have a very large audience and allot of different groups from different places that mix is great.In between the nuts we will get the post up and run a clean operation,that means legal not nice.Someone made a ridiculous comment that fornits was visited by parents etc and things need to be nice and friendly, I wont say who ,you will see it if you have time.How about the Penis thread or the pot thread etc, there are a few questionable pages here. But who cares everyone is getting what they need and thats a great thing.  Elan Discussion 48 post-291 views. starting from 0 a couple of days ago :rocker:  :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 18, 2010, 10:15:00 AM
    Big Girl
    Sent: less than a minute ago
    by bossybee39

    you know everyone will be seeing this and I now feel like you are a real moron. i doubt some ppl would enjoy your treatment of me either. I suggest you leave me alone because in 5 minutes my brother who is a state patrol officer is coming over to review the fact I have asked you several times to stop it, now once again leave me alone or I will press charges. Do not contact me and all. This is harrassment and I will not tolerate it. Go buly someone else you psychoQuote Danny BennisonRe: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 4 minutes ago
    by Danny Bennison

    Stop messaging me Sharon you are harassing me while your at it show the authorities how many times you messaged me.....stop.........please!!!!!!!!!!Re: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 7 minutes ago
    by bossybee39

    if you message me one more time I am calling the authorities plan and simple cut and dry. DO not message me or harrass me anymore you are mentally deranged individual and I do not want nothing to do with you. If you got something to say put it in forums.Quote Danny BennisonRe: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 11 minutes ago
    by Danny Bennison

    I'll tell you what you stop harrassing me w/ all your crap get off my site, off my private meessage and will be even...Ok ....otherwise keep spewing your garbage......
    bye byeRe: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 15 minutes ago
    by bossybee39

    i want you to stop harrassing meQuote Danny BennisonRe: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 21 minutes ago
    by Danny Bennison

    As soon as you shut up I will ....bye byeRe: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 25 minutes ago
    by bossybee39

    no need for a reply leave me the hell alone, I blocked you on facebook for a reason respect it and do not try a conversation with me in the future. only reason i am even on fornits is because i want to read a few things, other then that i will not be here trust me.Quote Danny BennisonRe: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 35 minutes ago
    by Danny Bennison

    Well Thank youRe: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 58 minutes ago
    by bossybee39

    Do not private message me ever.Quote Danny BennisonAct like a Big Girl
    Sent: Yesterday, 22:29
    by Danny Bennison

    Sharon,
    You are only making a ass of yourself, why b/cuz I won't agree w/ you. I have not agreed w/ most of crap you have done w/ people you are angry at. So what, what is the big deal.
    This thing with Art, Bla..bla..bla...both of you..you guys drag everybody into it, grow up.
    Who cares about he said this, you said that anymore....Jesus it has been dragged out enough. I thought you would have taken the hint when Mary left or when Felice had her say, shit I don't hear you screaming at them, they left do to Art and you said nothing, must be chicken-shit when it comes to women.....oh I kno they are my friends....I have known them for years. You have so many contridictions to your thoughts/personality WTF.....
    I have never......get this NEVER....hurt you in anyway as a adult and I am talking to your adult now......not the little girl that was hurt so much. I also never hurt the little girl either. Yes I was staff....for that I am sorry but you already kno that.
    Sharon stop this right now.....please....I am asking you....it is not fair for both of us nor the Elan site....though I will make one suggestion you not open another site till you are ready to be a unconditional site owner....Elan needs guidance and a competent leader and I am not saying that is me but no matter that is what it needs right now, not a bunch of acting out all over the place.
    You kno I care about you and that I had nothing to do with shutting down this site, "why would I do that". So lets get back to our lives, you kno where I have been for crying outloud
    when did I have the time anyway.
    love you ....Bossey Bee (good name for you) Danny  :beat:  :beat: I love you I hate you, make up your mind. you like Sharon or hate her, one side of the line only please. No straddling the fence :peace:  ::unhappy::  :peace:  ::unhappy::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 18, 2010, 11:02:12 AM
    Quote from: "mark babitz"
    Big Girl
    Sent: less than a minute ago
    by bossybee39

    you know everyone will be seeing this and I now feel like you are a real moron. i doubt some ppl would enjoy your treatment of me either. I suggest you leave me alone because in 5 minutes my brother who is a state patrol officer is coming over to review the fact I have asked you several times to stop it, now once again leave me alone or I will press charges. Do not contact me and all. This is harrassment and I will not tolerate it. Go buly someone else you psychoQuote Danny BennisonRe: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 4 minutes ago
    by Danny Bennison

    Stop messaging me Sharon you are harassing me while your at it show the authorities how many times you messaged me.....stop.........please!!!!!!!!!!Re: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 7 minutes ago
    by bossybee39

    if you message me one more time I am calling the authorities plan and simple cut and dry. DO not message me or harrass me anymore you are mentally deranged individual and I do not want nothing to do with you. If you got something to say put it in forums.Quote Danny BennisonRe: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 11 minutes ago
    by Danny Bennison

    I'll tell you what you stop harrassing me w/ all your crap get off my site, off my private meessage and will be even...Ok ....otherwise keep spewing your garbage......
    bye byeRe: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 15 minutes ago
    by bossybee39

    i want you to stop harrassing meQuote Danny BennisonRe: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 21 minutes ago
    by Danny Bennison

    As soon as you shut up I will ....bye byeRe: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 25 minutes ago
    by bossybee39

    no need for a reply leave me the hell alone, I blocked you on facebook for a reason respect it and do not try a conversation with me in the future. only reason i am even on fornits is because i want to read a few things, other then that i will not be here trust me.Quote Danny BennisonRe: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 35 minutes ago
    by Danny Bennison

    Well Thank youRe: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 58 minutes ago
    by bossybee39

    Do not private message me ever.Quote Danny BennisonAct like a Big Girl
    Sent: Yesterday, 22:29
    by Danny Bennison

    Sharon,
    You are only making a ass of yourself, why b/cuz I won't agree w/ you. I have not agreed w/ most of crap you have done w/ people you are angry at. So what, what is the big deal.
    This thing with Art, Bla..bla..bla...both of you..you guys drag everybody into it, grow up.
    Who cares about he said this, you said that anymore....Jesus it has been dragged out enough. I thought you would have taken the hint when Mary left or when Felice had her say, shit I don't hear you screaming at them, they left do to Art and you said nothing, must be chicken-shit when it comes to women.....oh I kno they are my friends....I have known them for years. You have so many contridictions to your thoughts/personality WTF.....
    I have never......get this NEVER....hurt you in anyway as a adult and I am talking to your adult now......not the little girl that was hurt so much. I also never hurt the little girl either. Yes I was staff....for that I am sorry but you already kno that.
    Sharon stop this right now.....please....I am asking you....it is not fair for both of us nor the Elan site....though I will make one suggestion you not open another site till you are ready to be a unconditional site owner....Elan needs guidance and a competent leader and I am not saying that is me but no matter that is what it needs right now, not a bunch of acting out all over the place.
    You kno I care about you and that I had nothing to do with shutting down this site, "why would I do that". So lets get back to our lives, you kno where I have been for crying outloud
    when did I have the time anyway.
    love you ....Bossey Bee (good name for you) Danny  :beat:  :beat: I love you I hate you, make up your mind. you like Sharon or hate her, one side of the line only please. No straddling the fence :peace:  ::unhappy::  :peace:  ::unhappy::

    Danny ????? y???
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 18, 2010, 11:03:39 AM
    Quote from: "exposecedu"
    How much beer have you drank tonight?
    how much medication did you miss today?????????????????????????? ur a troll dude
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2010, 11:04:35 AM
    :shamrock:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 18, 2010, 11:08:08 AM
    Quote from: "fornits"
    'Mark babitz' aka 'Gary Stadler' ‘Randy Jackson’ is an Elan School Cult operative deliberately publicly behaving in a deranged manner and posting distractions to obfuscate investigation and application of criminal penalty to the criminals that organize the Elan School Cult.

    That's my opinion (and Antigen's), anyway.

    "They" are likely to be characters created by the same person, along with 'bossybee' and 'Rose.'

    Have you noticed they write in the same style, and pose the exact same justifications for their harmful (to effective advocacy for the victims of Elan) internet screeds? I don't think that's a coincidence.

    A Felice, and Danny...only post in the CAN Elan school forum, where his/ her antics will be deleted and you can assemble a meaningful body of evidence pertinent to the Elan School Cult.

    viewforum.php?f=75 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=75)

    My 2 cents.
    well i already no who this quest is was on the phone with u today. dont under estimate a woman T.....or C.... just so u know i already know ur games. u think ur a mastermind of deception but ur to obvious
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 18, 2010, 11:33:25 AM
    Quote from: "Danny Bennison"
    Bravo....Bravo...You actually did something that was intelligent. Yes I could follow it to....ya kno why...I wrote it......yes..yes...by golly....it is all mine.....Is there something there that is supposed to be wrong.....gee funny I won't be posting what you wrote thou..... Sharon...aka Mark/Gary/Rose/Raving Mad..20yr old gay/Jeff Cooper w/tatoo on arm/Bossey Bee/ ect..ect..ect...
    As I said before "Who Gives a shit if Danny and everyone above is fighting and saying stuff.....we have already proven we are asses....
    Certifiable ass bags........Mark your a Genious......OK......NOW STOP WRITING BEFORE YOU PROVE IT WRONG.
    .........Danny........... :shamrock: .........Rose,  com'on your better then this. Your young...don't get caught up in this
    madness of old mines that are demented. (including mine...especially). Run ....Run.... :shamrock:

    Dan everyone is same person omfg you solve it dude the big conspiracy is solved. The people in ur head can stop talkin now. u think it is all one person how the hell did u come up with this one dude??? lets smoke and drink damn Danny solved it all. kewl can we get back to the forum now. wtf. you n felice need serious medication do i need to call my uncle to get u the good shit. man u are paranoid as fuck. maybe it is ur mind exploding with guilt. the guilt of how u treated many.live with it n stop trying to get other fighting. felice u are beyond help. how convient u can delete ur own postings. if i was fornit owners i would kick u and danny to the curb u guys suck as moderators. fornits is beyond in allowing the madness to continue out of either of u. damn conspiracies and cults wow the visions run deep. it is easier to try to dis credit us then to face reality that u both are fucken crazy insaine. no wonder ppl have to hide from u both. that lady had to change her number sick fuck. 2 be honest i rather be compared to sharon/mark/bossybee/gary/dicklicker/who the fuck is jeff?/then there is god knows who, but i rather be them that be any of u 2. and fornits is a free for all with the moderators they choose. sick just sick. now ladies and gents we see first hand what paranoid ppl act like..the own moderators.  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 18, 2010, 11:34:56 AM
    Quote from: "exposecedu"
    Who upset you this time?
    shut up danny we know it is you
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 18, 2010, 11:35:58 AM
    Quote from: "exposecedu"
    How much beer have you drank tonight?
    obviously not enough to read this hypercondracted load of horse shit.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2010, 12:00:12 PM
    :shamrock:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 18, 2010, 12:02:32 PM
    whos on first, whos on second, whos on third,....oh the conspiracy continues...got to go eat boring....enjoy urself on this forum dude. have fun dont hurt urself thinkin too much.. :suicide:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 18, 2010, 12:48:10 PM
    Quote from: "Danny Bennison"
    Rose,
    exposecedu...probably means he is a advocate for "Cedu" look at all his posting....of course you won't,  but I thought I would try anyway. Jeesh why do we have to do all your Homework.
    I read your post and you keep saying the same thing over and over Rose...I hate you...speech....ok
    I am a advocate here thats it nothing more..nothing less..I am not here seeking friends (as in intimate) sure
    there will be conviviliality(lol misp.) but thats it. We share a common bond here...I came here to learn and express.
    I am sorry you feel the need to srike out personally for your cause...but this site doesn't have anything to do with our "Soap Opera bullcrap".  
    Hang in there Rose...listen and read here....you'll see.....You don't have to agree to be accepted.
    Well I am young what the hell is your excuse for ur ignorance? An advocate, beyond comedy there. no one takes u seriously. this is u when u dont get ur way dude.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn5ci099cFc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn5ci099cFc)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2010, 12:53:48 PM
    RavingMad views towards senior citizens 2:39 - 2:44
    Sal & Richard's Public Access Calls - 6 - Harvy Science Show
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9o-Eocp ... A&index=25 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9o-EocpcEE&feature=PlayList&p=5BFFB2C666001B3A&index=25)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 18, 2010, 12:54:31 PM
    There is help out there for you Danny.....jump on board to the free clinic I hear they got sliding scale for ppl like u.


    This is my vision of someone as unstable as Danny.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvpnjYEO0gc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvpnjYEO0gc)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 18, 2010, 12:56:55 PM
    Quote from: "exposecedu"
    RavingMad views towards senior citizens 2:39 - 2:44
    Sal & Richard's Public Access Calls - 6 - Harvy Science Show
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9o-Eocp ... A&index=25 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9o-EocpcEE&feature=PlayList&p=5BFFB2C666001B3A&index=25)
    I think you guys are lovers or somethin because generally a guy does not need back up, so what does he blow u good or something? two men trying to stop a woman hmmmmm. see what this world has come too. It is probably Art bored coming out of the woodwork, or danny having two accounts. no one is that loyal unless he is paying or some sort of sexual bind holding you two together. By the way nice vid.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2010, 12:59:47 PM
    http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p ... C666001B3A (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=5BFFB2C666001B3A)
    Here are more videos for you.  Try not to cause to much trouble.
    Title: Re: New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 18, 2010, 01:00:18 PM
    Quote from: "exposecedu"
    What legal process takes place before an adult is committed to a state hospital?
    I am sure you can enlighten us because of your experiences dealing in this area.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 18, 2010, 01:02:05 PM
    Quote from: "exposecedu"
    http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=5BFFB2C666001B3A
    Here are more videos for you.  Try not to cause to much trouble.
    lalalalala the world is crawling through ur poor little cells. are you going to be alright or do u need to have the weekily session early. Fuck I will come give u a ride anytime. I support the help of mental health dude, do not be afraid we can find u the help.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: garystadler on January 18, 2010, 01:26:06 PM
    Torture Conference At Colby College
    Colby College in Waterville will host an international conference, "Torture and Human Rights: The Challenge of Redress and Rehabilitation," on Saturday, November 19. Beatrice Mtetwa, a human-rights attorney from Zimbabwe, will give the lunch keynote address. A workshop entitled "New Tactics in Human Rights" will "provide practical skills for combating human rights abuses." Torture survivors, lawyers, scholars, and others will make up several panels.

    The conference is open and free to the public. It's sponsored by Colby's Oak Institute for Human Rights. For more information, check out www.colby.edu/oak (http://www.colby.edu/oak)

    Another penal expert in Maine concurs, and he has more than academic expertise with the prison system. Peter Lehman, who has a doctorate in sociology and who formerly taught criminology at the University of Southern Maine, is himself on probation after spending five years at the former Maine State Prison, in Thomaston, and the nearby prison farm. Lehman was convicted, in 1998, of taking sexual photographs of four girls, aged 12 to 15, and having sex with a 15-year-old.

    Talking with Lehman on the phone, I am struck by his extraordinary combination of practical and scholarly insights. I suggest we meet, which we do in an Augusta coffee shop.

    He is a diminutive, bearded 60-year-old. He lives in the mid-coast and is trying to earn a living as an entrepreneur. The Internet-posted state registry of sex offenders makes earning a living difficult.

    "I'll never get a job," he says.

    He tends to become professorial when talking about his expertise.

    "Most crimes are expressive, not instrumental," he asserts, using sociological terms. What he means is that it is an emotion, such as rage or fear, or the high of an addictive behavior, that drives many people to commit crimes, both outside of and within prison -- and not the calculation of benefits, not the view of the crime as a means to an end.

    "Have you ever slammed a door when you're angry or frustrated?" he asks. "It feels good. It's not instrumental, but expressive."

    He calls the Supermax "simply one end of a continuum in the prison system." How to stop Supermax inmates from throwing urine and feces? The "prison thinks the way to deal with that is punishment," Lehman says, "but [the inmate's action] is not a calculated, rational decision. This is an expression of rage."

    Lehman believes prisons breed antisocial behavior: "Say an inmate borrows a magazine or a CD from someone else. One of the rules is 'no giving or receiving.' If person A is caught with B's CD and the officer wants to push it, both are subject to disciplinary action. People can actually lose [good] time for that. It could mean that you could lose privileges. You could actually lose your job or get sent to the Supermax."

    He continues: "Now most of us as human beings would think it's a virtue to loan something to somebody to help them out." But in prison, this social behavior is penalized.

    Despite these antisocial rules, Lehman says, "one of the most amazing things is how much [inmates] risk punishment to help each other. . . . But to be generous they have to lie, pretend, sneak around.

    "Incarceration creates a situation where all of the kinds of issues that you have are very typically heightened -- trauma, degradation, lack of a sense of self. I'm not sure that I met more than a handful of men in prison who didn't have a trauma history. Prison deepens these kinds of issues and wounds.

    "There is an arbitrariness about discipline. The rules are such that it is virtually impossible to avoid a situation where anybody can get busted at any time." Most guards mean well, he says, but they are stuck in a bad system.

    McEwen agrees with Lehman's view that crime is mostly expressive. And he thinks Lehman's description of how the prison rewards antisocial behavior is "a great insight." The Supermax was basically designed to prevent cooperative behavior, McEwen says. By isolating people, supermaxes "don't socialize people to get along with each other."

    Do We Want To Change Things?
    The more cynical prisoners and civilians will tell you the prison "industry" is a big business that thrives on crime, recidivism, and severe, counterproductive punishment, as evidenced by the enormous prison building boom of the past 20 years, by the growth of large private prison corporations nationally (there are no private prisons in Maine), and by strong guard unions that contribute to politicians' campaign treasuries. There are many salaries and careers tied up in the caretaking of prisoners.

    "Recidivism is money in the bank" for this industry, Supermax prisoner Deane Browne tells me.

    Even the less cynical among political observers would tend to place government corrections budgets, like the budgets for the mentally ill, far down the funding-priority ladder.

    And everyone to whom I asked the question agreed prisons are dumping grounds for the mentally ill.

    "That's true of every [correctional] system," says Denise Lord, the associate corrections commissioner. Some estimates of the recidivism of mentally ill prisoners are as high as 80 percent. The state corrections department estimates that 85 percent of inmates in its system have mental illness or substance-abuse problems. Lord says that 40 percent of the state prison's inmates are on psychotropic drugs.

    She also says Maine has a greater percentage of mentally ill prisoners than any other state. In chorus, both Commissioner Magnusson and Lord emphatically say they want to put more mentally ill prisoners into mental health facilities -- but there is no room for them because the beds at these facilities are all full.

    It is almost a given in political circles that the public and its legislators are callous about what happens in the prisons -- though they are concerned about crime, especially when a notorious crime occurs and politicians can make hay over it.

    "Society is ignorant of this stuff because they don't want to hear [about it]," says Chuck Limanni, a Supermax prisoner I interviewed, about prison abuse. "They don't realize this stuff is hurting them, too. The majority in here are getting out. Most of the time they're worse off than they were, and they create more harm. They learn to hate."

    He adds: "While being punished, it would be good to learn a skill." Limanni says that the last time he was out of prison, he and his girlfriend had a $1300-a-day cocaine habit that needed to be fed, and for many addicts the only way to do it is to steal.

    Bowdoin sociologist Craig McEwen comments on "the politicization of crime, fed by the media. We demonize certain types of criminal activity, reinforcing the notion that more punishment is better -- the language of 'toughness on crime' . . . it's politically profitable."

    In analyzing "tough on crime" attitudes, both doctors McEwen and Lehman speak of "moral panics," which, according to one dictionary definition, is "a mass movement based on the false or exaggerated perception that some individual or group . . . is dangerously deviant and poses a menace to society. Moral panics are generally fueled by media coverage of social issues."

    The relationship of legislation to moral panics is close, McEwen says. In the sociological community, "there is a good deal of agreement on the political momentum that builds from one or two well-publicized cases." He mentions the first President Bush's notorious "Willie Horton" TV ad from the 1988 presidential campaign that drove many state legislatures to wipe out parole for convicts. After one little girl was killed in a brutal way in New Jersey, states instituted "Megan's Law" sex-offender registries.

    Even the Department of Corrections seems to agree, at least in part, with the moral-panic problem. Both Magnusson and Lord express concern about legislators in the coming session leading a charge to invent new crimes or establish tougher penalties for crimes -- arising, for example, from a trucker involved in a fatal accident while driving after license suspension. Or from national news about identity theft or methamphetamine manufacture.

    But lack of concern may be a bigger obstacle to prison reform than panic is. Senator Bill Diamond, the Democrat from Windham who is chair of the state's Criminal Justice and Public Safety Committee which oversees the state correctional system, has not had any problems expressed to him about mentally ill prisoners in the Supermax, he says in a phone interview.

    There is a problem with funding, however, for the prison, he says. The Legislature required an extra $1.5-million cut in the corrections budget in the last session, he explains, and "I suspect there are funding deficiencies in all their areas." His party controls the Legislature.

    Diamond, who has worked as a lobbyist for the Elan School, the Poland Spring facility that puts troubled young people through controversial therapy (it was investigated by the state in 2002 for alleged abuse of its clients) agrees that "there is not a lot of support" from the public for prison funding: "People have other priorities" -- such as, at the moment, he says, how to heat their homes when fuel-oil prices are sky-high. He did not seem terribly interested in the subject of Supermax
     ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2010, 01:56:26 PM
    :shamrock:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2010, 01:57:02 PM
    :shamrock:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 18, 2010, 02:35:32 PM
    To  The Élan Group:                                 My name is Mark, I was resident at the House in the early 70s and when I was there I saw things and heard  things I  really  should have paid more attention to. Now  I write 30 years later in anger and disappointment with the things that have and might still go on there. I was raised to believe that  loyalty everything I am full of  disappointment when I read that guys like Wiggins pulled a move like that or  Collman my he rest in Hell  If he thought Elan was hard well he in for one real good time now.I pray that  God was good enough to let Big Joe go to Hell and give him a old  style tune up.                                          I believe Mike was the guy who went home with me one time to Chicago,I think that was his last name Jeff G would know he was around   then with his little I think Gold MG convertible and Eddy had a  Buick Electra Black,and Big Joe had his Jag 4 door and his black hat and long coat. I spent many years  in the automobile dismantling trades   I am glad Mike never got too close. I could still be in prison. Any  group you join in life loyalty is most important, not just to the  group but to you. It might sound crazy I missed the house when I left and really felt misplaced .Most of you there right now don’t even deserve to hear or read this letter. Because your probably not  true to yourself or anyone yet in life because you have not hit that wall . I wish Big Joe was around to tell all of you about the wall and what it really means.You guys probably think its just for Gms and to vent boy are you wrong. And for ones that had  the honor  to talk to Joe that was probably  one of the best questions to ask him.                                                                  I was never afraid of Big Joe or his past he did not scare me or intimidate me,He helped  me save my own life.We maybe got a little closer than most due to some back and Fourths with the state I was from. But he saw I had loyalty,and drive.Was I a fucked up kid.know one will ever know how bad I was. The statues of limitations don’t run that far.  My state had me on  diesel  therapy  for many years before Elan. So by the time I got there it was a vacation in the north woods. Yes  there was its share of bullshit and people running around like someone stuck a happy rod up their ass. Screaming and yelling and acting like  they lost their minds,  and  yes some of them would have beaten to death anywhere else, But I was smart enough to relies that I put myself her no one else, and compare to some of the things the state tried,this wasn’t so bad. Just stay out of the way and listen.                                             Maybe  Elan should adopt a policy of no weak people. Yes give a test to get in, it’s a school right??? Because change takes strong people not weak .You put the weak in hospital and on drugs.not off of drugs . They need that kind of help because they  are not and  “don’t want be” strong. They need their hands held. Why take up space for the strong that can be helped.???And maybe not admit it but want help.I got a hold of Big Joe back in the mid 80s he was running for or getting ready to run for Gov of the state..I thanked him for his kindness and concern when I was a kid and that he was 100% right about the wall. And how sorry I was for being such an  asshole kid.                                          Big Joe and me had many good talks I  always asked him to keep our  calls and conversation just between us and he did I know he did. Joe knew loyalty and trust.I would not be free if he didnt’t. I confided  in him with things that  would make  Skakel look like a church boy, I was a collector for a family business. And if it wasnt’t for people like Joe that had  grew up a hard life I really in  my position at the time would have had no one to talk to and man I needed some one  just to know I was not going crazy.                                                                     You folks that think Elan and I don’t know why they call it school.it’s a house with people who are all in bad spots in life and hopefully become a family to solve them, that think its hard just wait to  really be on your    own   life comes at you 500 miles an hour.Its like a dance sometimes you lead sometimes you follow I wanted to write a letter  asking how everyone is doing and  see who might  still be around.Like Jeff, Marty,Eddy. But as  I looked  I found all of this bullshit about the House and quite honestly I am shocked. I was  there around the  beginning  of Elan and I pride myself on always being very smart and on top of things all my life,good or bad I  knew what I was getting into, But to save my life I don’t remember any abuse or bad things going on. Was it paradise no,but then I wasnt’t on my own yet as an  adult. And looking back it was paradise.                                                   Maybe like Joe told me one night on the way back from Portland at about 2 or was it 3 in the morning Jeff G. that I was too much like him and that I will hit that wall one day and then the things he said will come back and make some sense.  Well he was right, And when that federal judge and state courts together gave 110 years. Guess who's words him my head. And I  know that the  some of the things I learned at Elan pulled me threw it. Most of all never give up and always try and make it. I went back on appeal and lost 100 years of my sentence and spent 5 on 10 years bit.I asked some of the lifers why they never killed themselves  and they said as long as your alive your life can change. And that nothing is forever good or bad. Those words have carried me threw life, And when times are hard I remember those things.I own a handyman  service  and some rental properties in Chicago and  NJ. So hard times  isnt’t just money its just life.                                                         The night Joe picked up in Portland I still to this day feel bad for him,He should have  put a bullet in my head on the way back to the house Lord knows I deserved it, and the roads were very dark in Maine in the 70s and all woods. I jerked him around so much,and he always gave me a break. Oh I got Gms and shot down and went to Parsons Field. I was also an expeditor and some good things too. Most of all I was young and just did not get it yet. I wasn’t  a drug addict like Big Joe, I was a risk addict, and that’s worse. I had no regard for my  life or anyone else's, When it came time for crime I was there, I thought I could live high forever  I tied coke and smoked some pot but that was not my thrill, Action was anything involving some kind of chance. I never liked gambling but I did think how great it would be to rob a  gambling house.                                                            My life is good and I am as happy as I will admit hah hah. But I do miss the house,    maybe not the one that’s  there now, I miss the house I was in I miss Jeff  I miss Marty and Eddy  M. and some others and  most of all I miss Big Joe. I plan to be out east maybe  late this year or next year to check on some property I have in NJ, I would like to see the house again. And not just from the driveway hah  hah. And hook up with you Marty &Jeff and maybe just talk, and scream into the mountains and maybe cry for a while with some old friends that do understand and don’t see weakness they see  a strong person just having  time out from life. Some just reaching for a hand not a bottle of something to make things go away..  Talk and understanding are  permanent things. Everything else is just a  bandage. And why would you put a bandage on a gunshot would when you can permanently fix things??                                                                        I hope in  these totally  misspelled words you see the wall now if not reread the letter. Everyone goes  threw life different and I have seen more than I ever  wanted to but everything I have seen has taught me something. I would prefer that the reason for my letter is my own business, Sharon knows why the letter came, And I am glad I wrote it, and thank you for asking me too. I loved that place, and I am far from crazy I think. It just when I was there everyone seemed to be going in the same direction. And the ones that weren’t well they needed help along and I am glad I got that help because the people I met on my vacation in the north woods helped forever in my life and still do.                                                                                        Thank You  Brothers & Sister                                  Take care of our house in the woods                                                                                                                                         P.S.                                       I f my letter sounds more like a primal group or a General Meeting via  mail, then it is.         I just cant describe how I screwed up by ever leaving. The House. I can blame it on the state or  my confusion  , but  I know it was my own eagerness  to become an adult and be on my own that screwed me. I never gave myself a chance to grow up and be a kid .I came from money and some power, but at an early age I screwed that up. I was told I was adopted when I was real young and instead of embracing it as a gift, I took it as an insult from my real parents and so my life went on always  feeling  kind of kicked to the curb so to speak .                        Its  taken me most of my life to shake that feeling, and I don’t know that I ever have, but I did learn to manage it in a way were it is not my constant problem or reason for things not going right all the time.  And guess what happened, I grew up. I took my life  and it failures and successes and made them work for me. I remember nothing is forever good or bad, Thank you to the Lifers in prison and that  you must be positive in life even when negativity is chasing you like a rabbit. Thank you Elan. That there are walls out there that you will hit threw life, how hard is up to you as well as avoiding them is too .Thank  you Big Joe. And that   life  has to be what you make it .I was in prison like I said before, and turned out in the end spending 4 years there . I was in States ville in Illinois and then  1 year  Marion fed in Illinois. Some how I made it threw, and why because it is what you make it, I had some things going for me inside. But in thinking all those connections are the reason I am here and yes they did help a lot .in my appeal I gave back 100 years of time to the Feds and had great connections in prison. I never had a fight or argument with anyone, except some hacks, but everyone had trouble with the rules. that’s kind of what brought us  all together there. But we were in a correctional center. I guess to be corrected ,ha ha .                     But the gift in that is that I was able to see how it would be without the friends I  had  in there to make it,  and some of the people had it tuff. But half of them made it that way by not doing their own time and still fucking around and getting into things they had no business  .Prison was and is just a small microcosm of our world. So is Elan and both have a great gift to give, and that is common sense,  That in life we relies is not so common and must be gained and saved. .In  Elan they yell and scream, and a lot of times it from people that  need to be yelled at themselves. I never liked yelling and screaming. And how did I avoid that? I stayed away from the things that triggered those kind of responses. I took responsibility for my life and actions, I have always had a bad temper I mean bad, and it got me into a lot of trouble over the years. And sometimes still does I have temper tantrums so fast people don’t even know I had it. I am the guy that will go in the opposite  direction right now, and walk away. Leaving whatever was there, there and not looking back. Almost a  Stallone  attitude. But it works. People that really know me see what happens but I avoid the confrontation in front of me.                                    Every challenge in life is not yours to take on and knowing your limitations in life is key, never fear anything but God himself,  everything else is just temporary. And Elan is going to tell you that and try and show you that and for some it works others in one ear and out the other, and I understand that totally  Because  no one ever told me anything , but I was shown some things I wish I would have been told.  When my state sent me there in 1974 early 1975 they sent 11 of us, It was like Castro when he sent the refugees and dumped the prison and crazy houses and sent them. to the U.S. in boats. We  were like a test project for Mary Lee Leahy and she sent the best from the state she could find. Big Joe and Doc had an uphill battle from the start. A few of us me included were just out of hand all the time, always trying the easy way out of anything and just up to no good, and the rest needed lots of drugs  and quiet time by themselves.                     In the end when Ms . Leahy pulled her whole card 3 of us non crazy went into our survival mode and  escaped, It was a chapter in life I will never forget. We got that Bitch at her own game {con troll} she at the helm was as crazy as some of the doctors, and counselors . Elan was a vacation in the north woods. Yes there were rules but there was love and caring and compassion when you needed  it, someone to talk to about anything. And I did not pour my life secrets to everyone ,but  I had some people I could .And I will tell you it is hard to find that in life and not be judged for what you say or looked at differently. Take advantage of those ears, and be most of all  be careful of whose ears .Because only someone who thinks like you will truly understand you, and that means you need to see just who you are ,and  what you are by watching others around you. Your twins are in the room, and they probably are  there for completely  different reasons that you are. And that is what makes the chase in life so interesting. Because that is life we will  always be looking for people like ourselves . And I believe Elan does that. And gives that chance,  take advantage of that, no amount of anything can buy that gift.
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 18, 2010, 02:44:57 PM
    I got no response after a letter like that, I knew I wasn't crazy that place was for real not in my head,I started reading and just got mad. I know it cant be like when we were there Danny ,but it cant be pretty according to latest opinions eather.  :rocker:  :jamin:  :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 18, 2010, 02:54:22 PM
    ELAN SCHOOL ARTICLES 1975
    Lewiston Daily Sun, Saturday, August 2, 1975
    Visit to Elan One Impresses Longley
    By GEOFFREY GEVALT Sun Staff Writer

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    POLAND SPRING - After an hour-long visit late Friday afternoon at Elan One, Gov. James B. Longley came away feeling "impressed," but he said that no formal statement will be made until next week, after he has had a chance to review the reports of the state's evaluation team.

    Longley's visit to the rehabilitation center was prompted by allegations from Mary Lee Leahy, director of the Illinois Department of Children and Family Services.

    The director claimed that the emotionally disturbed youngsters were being mentally and physically abused, and after an evaluation team from her department viewed the center at Upper Range Pond, the 11 Illinois children in the program were ordered home. Three of the children have since returned voluntarily to Elan, and a fourth has began litigation to return.

    Elan's founder, Joseph J. Ricci, characterized the allegations as slanderous and said he will be filing a $3 million suit against Leahy, the Illinois DCFS evaluation team and the state itself. During his visit, Longley talked with one of the Illinois children as well as 10 other youngsters.

    "I was very impressed that the kids were saying that the program was helping them," Longley commented.

    But Longley would go no further for the moment, saying that he first wanted to talk with Illinois Gov. Daniel Walker. He noted that he had tried to reach Walker Friday evening, but had not been able to. Longley hopes to reach him this weekend.

    Longley said that he will meet with Maine Health and Welfare Commissioner David E. Smith and the evaluators from his department on Monday.

    Smith said Friday night that he had not had any feedback from his seven staffers, but "the initial indication" is that the allegations from the people of Illinois have no foundation."

    The commissioner explained that three evaluation teams from Connecticut, Massachusetts and Rhode Island have already given favorable reports on the center.

    The evaluation by the Maine officials, including a psychologist and psychiatrist, was requested by Longley, who said that a formal statement from the study will be released "no later than Wednesday."

    But as to Elan's activity in the next week, Ricci commented "we're going to try to get life back to normal. The victims in this whole thing have been the kids. I think we'll have a huge picnic…something to relieve the tensions."

    Ricci said that Longley had a chance to talk with evaluators from both Maine and Connecticut during his visit.

    The governor was appreciative that the Elan administration was open and cooperative.

    Commenting on why he came back to Elan, one Illinois youth said "I came back because I wanted to get help, and I knew this was the only place I could get it."

    The 18-year-old believes that his state's charges were trumped up.

    "We tried to tell the investigators that they were crazy, but they weren't interested in what we felt about Elan. The just kept trying to convince us it was a bad place."

    Ricci reportedly has stated that the Illinois investigators were rude and biased and were eventually asked to leave because of it.

    The children at Elan's six centers, located in Poland Spring, Auburn, Parsonsfield and Waterford, are mostly from detention centers, state hospitals and foster homes. They have been in drugs, prostitution and larceny and have other emotional problems.

    Elan administrators say that their program can work with these kids and object to the allegations and the way they were first reported in the news.

    Ricci claims that the whole issue is a result of political haggling in the State of Illinois, concerning whether problem youths should be sent to out of state institutions.

    Speculation is that Elan's fee, $1,200 a month, may also have been a reason for Illinois to take the kids out of the center.

    Ricci has reportedly commented that Leahy was "acting outside the scope of her own authority" and the allegations made "are quite frankly a lie."

    Ricci claims that the state's evaluation team came for an express purpose of finding fault to give the state an excuse to back out.

    Elan is a controversial program, Smith noted at a recent news conference, and staffers from his agency have been working with the centers.

    "You've got to remember these are some of the toughest children around," he said.


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    Lewiston Evening Journal, Thursday, August 7, 1975
    Investigation Shows No Evidence of Abuse at Elan One Center
    By MAUREEN CONNOLLY Associated Press Writer

    AUGUSTA, Maine (AP) - A preliminary investigation of the Elan One treatment center found no evidence of abuse and mistreatment of youngsters, state officials reported today.

    The investigation into the Poland Spring center for troubled youngsters was launched last week after the Illinois Department of Children and Family Services withdrew 11 Illinois state wards from the facility, charging they had been mistreated.

    State officials said the report was the unanimous opinion of the investigative team.

    "The Maine investigation revealed no evidence of unjustifiable denials of civil liberties or of mistreatment, brutality or anything that could be considered abhorrent to all acceptable standards of child care," the Maine Department of Health and Welfare said in a statement.

    "The investigation revealed that the Elan program was one of significant value that was achieving positive results in dealing with adolescents who had failed to respond to more traditional treatment or correctional methods," according to the statement.

    Investigators said they felt "the staff appeared dedicated, competent, and caring and the residents of Elan appeared healthy, responsive, content and supportive of the program, staff and other residents of Elan."

    The report continued "The residents interviewed usually expressed newly found feelings of dignity, self-assurance and mental well-being, and they attributed these feelings to the treatment they were receiving at Elan."

    Gov. James B. Longley ordered Health and Welfare Commissioner David E. Smith to evaluate Elan after Mary Lee Leahy, head of the Illinois agency made the abuse charges.

    She said the children were subjected to degrading treatment and violent punishment.

    The staff of Elan, a privately owned facility, denied the abuse charges and said they were the result of political infighting among Illinois officials.

    Several young people at Elan also told reporters in private that the charges were false.

    The Department of Health and Welfare said it will send a final report to Illinois, incorporating the findings of other investigators from Massachusetts, Connecticut and Rhode Island. In addition, Smith said an Illinois evaluation team has been invited back to Maine to meet with other investigators.

    The Maine investigation was conducted through Health and Welfare's Office of Alcoholism and Drug Abuse Prevention. Team members included a psychiatrist, a psychologist, and attorneys.
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    The Lewiston Daily Sun, Friday, August 8, 1975
    State Probe Gives Elan a Clean Bill of Health

    AUGUSTA, Maine (AP) - A preliminary report by state officials Thursday cleared the Elan One youth treatment center of charges of child abuse. The Department of Health and Welfare released the results of a week-long investigation into the Poland Spring center for troubled youngsters.

    The state action was taken after the Illinois Department of Children and Family Services withdrew 11 Illinois state wards from the facility, charging they had been mistreated.

    Maine officials said the report was the unanimous opinion of the investigative team.

    "The Maine investigation revealed no evidence of unjustifiable denials of civil liberties or of mistreatment, brutality or anything that could be considered abhorrent to all acceptable standards of child care," the report said.

    "The investigation revealed that the Elan program was one of significant value that was achieving positive results in dealing with adolescents who had failed to respond to more traditional treatment or correctional methods," according to the report.

    Investigators said they felt "the staff appeared dedicated, competent, and caring, and the residents of Elan appeared healthy, responsive, content and supportive of the program and other residents of Elan."

    Gov. James B. Longley ordered Health and Welfare Commissioner David E. Smith to evaluate Elan after Mary Lee Leahy, head of the Illinois agency made the abuse charges.

    The director said the children were subjected to degrading treatment and violent punishment.

    The staff of Elan, a privately owned facility, and its residents denied the abuse charges. Staff members said the allegations were the result of political infighting among Illinois officials.

    The Department of Health and Welfare said it will send a final report to Illinois, incorporating the findings of other investigators from Massachusetts, Connecticut and Rhode Island. In addition, Smith said an Illinois evaluation team has been invited back to Maine to meet with other investigators.
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    Portland Press Herald, Friday, August 8, 1975
    Elan Center Cleared in Preliminary Report

    AUGUSTA, Maine (AP) - A preliminary report by state officials Thursday cleared the Elan One youth treatment center of charges of child abuse.

    The Department of Health and Welfare released the results of a week-long investigation into the Poland Spring center for troubled youngsters.

    The state action was taken after the Illinois Department of Children and Family Services withdrew 11 Illinois state wards from the facility, charging they had been mistreated.

    Maine officials said the report was the unanimous opinion of the investigative team.

    "The Maine investigation revealed no evidence of unjustifiable denials of civil liberties or of mistreatment, brutality or anything that could be considered abhorrent to all acceptable standards of child care," the report said.

    "The investigation revealed that the Elan program was one of significant value that was achieving positive results in dealing with adolescents who had failed to respond to more traditional treatment or correctional methods," according to the report.

    Investigators said they felt "the staff appeared dedicated, competent, and caring, and the residents of Elan appeared healthy, responsive, content and supportive of the program and other residents of Elan."

    The report continued "The residents interviewed usually expressed newly found feelings of dignity, self-assurance and mental well-being, and they attributed these feelings to the treatment they were receiving at Elan."

    Gov. James B. Longley ordered Health and Welfare Commissioner David E. Smith to evaluate Elan after Mary Lee Leahy, head of the Illinois agency made the abuse charges.

    She said the children were subjected to degrading treatment and violent punishment.

    The staff of Elan, a privately owned facility, and its residents denied the abuse charges. Staff members said the allegations were the result of political infighting among Illinois officials.

    The Department of Health and Welfare said it will send a final report to Illinois, incorporating the findings of other investigators from Massachusetts, Connecticut and Rhode Island. In addition, Smith said an Illinois evaluation team has been invited back to Maine to meet with other investigators.
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    Portland Press Herald, Monday, August 11, 1975
    Elan is Cleared

    The Department of Health and Welfare, in a preliminary report, has cleared Elan One of charge of child abuse.

    We're delighted at that finding and are confident if a more detailed report follows it will be in the same vein. From the information that had been made public, it would have been difficult to understand any other conclusion. But it is good to have a clean bill of health made official.

    The investigation came after the Illinois Department of Children and Family Services withdrew 11 of its wards from the Poland Spring facility charging mistreatment. But officials of two other states immediately conducted their own investigations and found no reason to withdraw any of their wards, nothing that they could classify as mistreatment.

    It was significant, too, that two of the young people returned to Illinois promptly ran away and came back to Elan One at Poland Spring. No one runs away to get back to people who abuse them. They obviously wanted what Elan One was offering.

    What seems to be in much greater need of thorough investigation than Elan One is the Illinois Department of Children and Family Services. If the Illinois governor and other appropriate officials are as diligent in probing their own department as Maine officials have been in checking the Illinois complaint against Elan One, they might find something truly scandalous.

    The real tragedy here is those nine young Illinois people who are being denied the help that their troubled contemporaries at Elan One are receiving - and that other Illinois young people might receive in the future.
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    Portland Press Herald, Wednesday, October 22, 1975
    Connecticut Investigators Okay Elan

    POLAND SPRING, Maine (AP) - Connecticut investigators say they will continue sending youths with severe problems to a controversial care facility where therapy includes having the kids scream at each other.

    "The kids we send to Elan are those we would have had to send to an adult correctional facility or a maximum security mental hospital," says Anthony Lovallo, director of treatment for the Connecticut Department of Children and Youth Services.

    His boss, Commissioner Francis Maloney, says the program has helped most of the Connecticut youths sent there but adds there has not been a complete follow-up study.

    The program is conducted by the Elan Corp., which runs five therapeutic communities in the Lewiston area. Connecticut has put troubled youths in Elan's care since 1973.

    "We don't screen any of these kids before they come here. We don't care what their problems are or what crimes they have committed. After all, there has to be some place to treat kids like this," says Joseph Ricci, a former drug addict and Elan's therapeutic director.

    To those unaccustomed to the program, screams coming from Elan's converted farm house often are terrifying. The visitor soon discovers it's part of the program.

    "Primal scream is simply a way to give these kids an exit for their pain," Ricci says. "You can't hold anything back while screaming. The mind can't do two things at once."

    The therapy also involves intense encounter group sessions and peer group pressures.

    About 30 Connecticut youths, most of them with lengthy juvenile court records and most between 13 and 16 years old, are in Elan programs. Connecticut pays between $670 and $800 monthly per youth, which officials say is cheaper than at other private facilities. Regardless of cost, says Lovallo, Elan takes children unacceptable to other private facilities.

    The Elan program recently gained attention when Illinois withdrew its children. State investigators said children were forced into boxing rings to settle disputes and some were handcuffed and placed in straitjackets.
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 18, 2010, 03:07:06 PM
    I was one of the three kids that returned obviously, it was the time of my life I could sneer at my captors and they couldn't do shit, so I thought ,once I got Personified, I did have some fun and stayed out of groups and hair-cuts etc, but my fun ran out after I bolted a couple of times. They put me in Personified so I would be safe??????. But I asked for it, and it was quite a blur in contrast to some of the things I have seen in life, so I always disregarded it until I started reading some of the things allot of people were saying now. And said that is fucked up, and some kids aren't like me and just suck it up and adapt.I see were it could be quite traumatic for people of weaker mental tolerances, I tried to put that gently.Just some people are harder than others and thats fine , but dont put them both in the same positions knowing one will fold.Thats fucked -up
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 18, 2010, 05:23:21 PM
    :notworthy:  :soapbox:  :karma:  :rocker:  :jamin:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :jamin:  :rasta:  ::OMG::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 18, 2010, 05:35:42 PM
    Wake up, Ebenezer Sembler before it's too late
    Sun, 2009-01-04 11:14 — WesleyFager
    Ambassador Sembler dines in luxury while the little boy injured at Baywalk is about to be evicted.

    Mankind was my business. The ghost of Jacob Marley from "A Christmas Carol."

    In February 2007 a speaker fell on 4 year old Josiah Wineberger from a second story balcony at the Baywalk Shopping Center in St. Petersburg, Fl., crushing him and fracturing his skull. Doctors said he would never walk again, but, with intense physical therapy, Josiah is not only walking but he's talking like any boy his age.

    Melvin Sembler, AO, is our former ambassador to Italy. If you are familiar with Ambassador Sembler you know that he and his wife Betty founded and operated Straight, Inc., a national-level, juvenile substance abuse treatment program, for 17 years. The abuse that kids sustained at Straight, Inc. are a national disgrace and over 40 former clients have committed suicide.

    Straight earned $100 million--tax free. But that's peanuts to Ambassador Sembler who makes his real money building and leasing shopping centers. Shopping centers like Baywalk where Josiah Wineberger was nearly killed last year. The Semblers live a life of opulence, traveling from here to there anywhere in the world in their private jet. In 2003 the Semblers held
    The Mother of all Toga Parties (turn on sound before linking) in Rome when they celebrated their 50th wedding anniversary at their Magic Kingdom by inviting all the Who's Who's from St. Petersburg and Washington.
    Mel Sembler even convinced the US Congress to buy a $100 million memorial in Rome to honor his greatness.
    But while Mel and Betty were eating caviar this Hanukkah, the Wineberger's position worsened. The day after Christmas, an electrical fire sparked in their home and now the fire department has declared it unsafe to live in. Worse still, the home is facing foreclosure.

    You might recall that Ambassador Sembler once sued Ray Bradbury for recovery of a medical device, but much to his chagrin, the story made international news. Sembler had thought that Bradbury would cave, we suppose, but Bradbury did not, and the judge finally set a trial date for April 10 - April 21, 2006. The ambassador did not want the trial to go on so he made a motion (and the judge granted it) to postpone it. Why? He decided to take his family on a holiday. He decided to fly his entire family to Israel for the Passover from April 10 to April 20! So we know the Semblers do enjoy their religious retreats.

    Mr. Sembler, thousands of kids have been harmed by you at Straight. You have a reputation for sticking it to your fellow citizens in your business dealings. Couldn't you spare a little change to help Josiah Wineberger and his family this holiday. It would not have to be an admission of guilt. Just a gesture to lend a hand to someone hurt at one of your projects.

    It's a tradition in my family to watch "A Christmas Carol" each year around this time. We always watch the 1951 movie version starring Alistair Simms. When the third spirit takes Ebenezer Scrooge to his future grave, it chills me to the bone because I know Dickens is speaking directly to me. I'm old Mel, but you're older. Maybe you and I had better wake up.

    Here's a link to the Josiah Wineberger story.
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 18, 2010, 05:40:52 PM
    mark bare with me here ok..i dont get it. plz explain it to me a bit i just got lost in the meaning of your posting. the way i am taking it is that it is not too late for ppl to turn around admit mistakes and do the right thing? is this a fair assessment?
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 19, 2010, 08:54:08 AM
    I dont understand your question. i posted the things above to show the lack of out reach Elan has for students once gone from the program. And it was  what I corrected some of my thinking about the Elan experience.I thought a letter like that would have spurred some response and maybe a thank you for being loyal. I received nothing and thats when I realized this place was and is as fucked up as I thought all along but blamed it on myself and mixed up thought and recall.Also it kind of verifies I know what I am talking about as far as Elan and its after care policies. I tried and contact Marty and Jeff never a response why?? I left 10 messages for Jeff nice ones,and no response. I guess they are so involved in guilt that they are afraid to respond. This letter was prior to me making any public statements against Elan. :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker: The Sembler portion is just an example of how people like Joe and Sharon can be dealt with. Obviously not Joe anymore.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 19, 2010, 10:35:08 AM
    Edit postReport this postReply with quoteRe: Elan School investigation; current 2010
    by mark babitz » 2 minutes ago

    I believe this was the question that started the big who ha, I was told Elan people had not time for this stuff. Well this is how you bring the bad publicity to Ealn .This how you eventually close a door. Present day stuff, like Sharon Terry gets DUI or something like that, and run with it put it all over the web,on the Elan site for advanced users and hackers, for all to read.The horse track has covered their asses for years, and does back off investigators, and they have had much better people than most out here go after them unsuccessfully.So it is necessary to put them into a situation the track cant help. And thats by isolating Elan from the track threw bad publicity about Elan. We have to make the name Elan stand out way out in front of any Golden Ark Co holdings .Need to put the Pinehinge facility in the words etc.Leave no stone unturned. Local news is the life blood. They hide their tracks pretty well but not completely, so no one get discouraged ,the harder you look the more you will find and the better you get at looking. Some things are right in front of you. Its just paying attention to whats there, or following a thread or similar post etc.It takes time but the reward is there. :rocker:  :rocker:  :jamin:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :cheers:  :cheers:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 19, 2010, 10:48:10 AM
    ok another blonde moment ...lol got you.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 19, 2010, 02:21:42 PM
    :notworthy: Allot of people have suggested that who knows and even cares , I dont say that to be little your statement. But there is too much debate over Danny all the time. And if I agree with you my post will get deleted. :peace:  ::unhappy::  :peace:  ::unhappy::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 19, 2010, 02:56:12 PM
    :soapbox:  :rocker:  :jamin:  :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: garystadler on January 19, 2010, 03:38:41 PM
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    by Inculcated » Sun Dec 06, 2009 7:47 pm

    Hi Danny Bennison,
    I was startled to see how many of these programs you were in. I’m happy you’ve found a happiness and stability away from your addiction (21 years-nice) and very sincerely sorry that you had to endure so much to get there.

    What are the reasons that you were in three of these very similar, but separate programs? In addtion to Elan, I am very curious to know what your recollections of Daytop and Marathon House were like. Which facilities were you in?“A person needs a little madness, or else they never dare cut the rope and be free” Nikos Kazantzakis Inculcated
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    Re: are there any success stories?
    by Danny Bennison » Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:17 pm

    Inculated, This name does not help me to want to open up and explain anything. If you want to give me your full name I will get more intimate with my personal history. It would also help if you could share your own experiences that relates to what I shared earlier if you can't identify with me in life history I would very much appreciate you not asking me questions so direct. Not trying to be snotty just setting the table that's all. My full name is Daniel Lee Bennison email ([email protected] (http://mailto:[email protected])). Why because I can. Thanks Love and Peace Danny
    Laughs. Yeah, I’m sure the name would give someone pause.

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    One Elan resident trying to excerize his right to speak w/o judgement we all have a kinship with each other lets express it please. Love and Peace Danny ( My name is ( Daniel Lee Bennison) I had interpreted this from a previous post of yours coupled with that you mentioned having been in Daytop as an openness to discuss either program. My interest was piqued about your experiences of early Daytop, due to the fact that I had been in Daytop. If you’re not interested in being asked such direct questions you should probably abstain from offering blanket advice to others …

    Danny Bennison wrote:
    People find a spirit larger than you and humble yourself. That's what I do today. Peace of mind you don't know how valuable it is until you lost it. Lets move on find solutions and be humane that's what are fellow Elan family would want from us to be of service. Peace and Love Danny
    A statement like that conveys baseless assumptions about the reader before you’ve even finished typing it out . Did you make a lot of similar statements directed at anyone within earshot when you “worked at” Elan? How did that work for you?

    Danny Bennison wrote:
    It took me another 11yrs after I graduated 1/77 till 11/88 to clean up, sober up
    Since you’ve said you didn’t get clean until years following your time there, would that mean you were using while working at Elan or otherwise?

    Danny Bennison wrote:
    Inculated, This name does not help me to want to open up and explain anything. If you want to give me your full name I will get more intimate with my personal history. It would also help if you could share your own experiences that relates to what I shared earlier if you can't identify with me in life history I would very much appreciate you not asking me questions so direct. Not trying to be snotty just setting the table that's all. My full name is Daniel Lee Bennison email ([email protected]). Why because I can. Thanks Love and Peace Danny
    No, I will not be giving you my full name. “Why because I can” and the like…I’m not interested in hearing any more of. I can understand very much why you would appreciate not being asked for specifics. Those are a little harder to come up with than slogans and No, I will not be communicating with you off Forum. There’s no need for it.
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    Re: are there any success stories?
    by Danny Bennison » Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:24 pm

    Man you really enjoy yourself , I bet you were just waiting for someone new to show up so you could do exactly what you did. LOL Dude/ Dudess relax your still in charge I concede the high ground, I'm here in a peaceful spirit. This type of verbal boxing doesn't excite me anymore, I don't know what riled you up but obviously you chose not to take advice. Stop being in charge for awhile let your guard down reveal yourself and I'm sure we could have a decent conversation otherwise stay incognito and we can still talk but give up the intensity. No problems here dude I'm just a easy going guy. You pulled bits of my stories like I was in front of a congressional hearing ready to be voted in to something. We are normal folks writing I don't even remember what I ate this morning and don't care. I write from my heart and I didn't believe I was hurting anyone. But that doesn't give anyone the right to give unsolicited critic (maybe w/o the intensity). I love making freinds how about you. Love and Peace Danny P.S. (thought you had me uh!!) LOL
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    Re: are there any success stories?
    by Danny Bennison » Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:31 pm

    The statement "why because I can" is a phrase used between my freinds, concerning giving out ones name and email. So many folks don't like to do that. I can, so I do. Man I forgot just how sensitive we addicts are (including me). Danny
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    Re: are there any success stories?
    by Danny Bennison » Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:43 pm

    OH yes, you detective work paid I did get high while working at Elan, smoked 2 jionts but what really happened was I kicked off a career of alcoholism. Man I drank like no tomarrow with no concern for anything. That is what Alcoholics do there selfish. Well that's my story and I'm sticking to it but by the "grace of God". Thanks Buddy
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    Re: are there any success stories?
    by Inculcated » Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:04 am

    Danny Bennison wrote:
    (thought you had me uh!!)
    Not interested in having you, nor any parry and thrust with you. My brief interest in any possibility of you actually having insights into the early days of Marathon House, Daytop or Elan to share has waned. In eight short posts I’ve seen enough of your judgements and jargon to know there’s not much more that I would find substantive.
    … peace and doves and what have you.“A person needs a little madness, or else they never dare cut the rope and be free” Nikos Kazantzakis Inculcated
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    Re: are there any success stories?
    by Ursus » Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:09 am

    Danny Bennison wrote:
    ...I spent from 6/71 till 1/77 incarcerated in one form or another. In drug treatment programs Daytop 71, Marathon house 73 and Elan 75 in between in and out of Y.C.C. in Cranston R.I. So I understand full well what everyone here is talking about and I am willing to be a student. But I won't just sit around and talk about the problem with no end in site, we also have to talk about the solution. To end here in 1971 I was twelve years old.
    That's some pretty heavy "dues" there, Danny. The thought occurs to me that all that time spent at the mercy of being "fixed" by proselytizing do-gooders, let alone at the tender age that ya got pulled into that mess, might very result in creating an "addiction" to, or need for, being in that kind of structured environment. I mean... what else did you know? Do you think that might have had something to do with why you ended up having a drinking problem while you were on staff at Elan?

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    Re: are there any success stories?
    by Danny Bennison » Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:16 am

    Hey if treating people like you do works for you great, I would really like to meet your alter Ego probably a nice person but I'm sure he can't be revealed b/cuz "inculate" likes to dominate with his anger. I hope you find peace maybe the next time you ask such questions you'll give a formal intro first it is only polite. Thanks for our brief encounter Danny
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    Re: are there any success stories?
    by Danny Bennison » Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:36 am

    Ursula, Thanks for commenting I was dickering with someone who calls themselves "inculate". Well now w/o going into a long story yes I'm sure that had some to do w/ it . The other part is the addictive side of my personality whether I was incarcerated or not I had this. I remember in even younger years my obsessive/ compulsive behavior. Alcohole was just waiting for me. Now for my years of treatment centers I will tell you in a sort of sick twisted parable ironic way they kept me alive long enough long enough to learn why a conscious was important. Man my sense of indifference towards folks and society was bordering on weird.
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    Re: are there any success stories?
    by wimbelton » Mon Dec 07, 2009 1:07 am

    I was surely more of a drug-addict than you, that I know for a fact. Before Elan especially, but definitely post-Elan as well. Yet, I do not understand what that has to do with my statement.

    You clearly fall into category 3 for one main reason: you went back to Elan to work as a staff member.

    You obviously have a twisted mind. Who could experience Elan and then voluntarily go back to work as a staff member. You never got over that shit huh? You never shook Elan off of your back. You never stepped back and actually looked at what happened, did you?

    Then you went back to work as a staff member? You are either a greedy bastard, sick in the head, or are driven by some insane belief that you can 'help' people using the same skills that Elan taught you.

    Elan played you fool.

    Elan filled your head with bullshit in order to keep collecting $$$.

    You agree with people being in Elan now? In 2009? You think the program changed just because you were there 'back in the day'? It is no different now. Only now, they are praying on younger and more vulnerable children.

    Get a clue. :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: garystadler on January 19, 2010, 03:53:10 PM
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    My full name is Daniel Lee Bennison email ([email protected]). Why because I can. Thanks Love and Peace Danny ...
    Man you dont get along with anyone, The above comes from the world wide web when you google Danny L Bennison. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :rocker:  :jamin:  :rocker: Writing style cant forget writing styles.  And how did Randy Jackson join fornits on the 9 or 10th of January and today shows as joined yesterday and I have been talking and seeing him since last Thur, and so has everyone else Randy Jackson is a name that stands out, bad choice of an alias who ever and all of his post prior are gone,but the people like Raving Mad remember when they talked about some things and the dates were shifted. At Least if someones going to tamper with a site do it right and dont leave such sloppy clues and evidence.First off Randys a basher he stands out people notice him dummy,he not the quiet guy in the corner no one sees, Hes up front yell. You get an F-- in covert ops.Never do something your not good at with others that are STUPID. :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :rocker:  :jamin:  :rocker:
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    Post by: garystadler on January 19, 2010, 03:55:23 PM
    ::OMG:: Cant take this stuff away its downloaded and on the web. ::OMG::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Quasi Modo on January 19, 2010, 04:07:26 PM
    Danny Bennison, DB, or Douche Bag, whatever, this guy should be encouraged to keep his idiocy flowing straight from the tap.  He is the individual that makes every "warning signs of an abusive program" list:  ex-student becomes employee of his program after being "modified", runs amok abusing kids while working at Elan, leaves all fucked up with a drinking problem.  Yeah, Douche Bag, you are a shining example of what Elan produces.  You must be a very weak willed individual indeed.

    Like any other cultist, he will not tolerate infidels blaspheming his Elan.

    Fuck Elan, it's not a program, it's an all inclusive pogrom.

    Fuck Danny (Douche Bag) Bennison.  A fifty year old man should quit going by the childish "Danny", don't you think?  Grow up, you retarded adolescent.  If Elan did so much for you as a youngster, maybe you should find a program now that will make you a man.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 19, 2010, 04:45:33 PM
    Quote from: "Quasi Modo"
    Danny Bennison, DB, or Douche Bag, whatever, this guy should be encouraged to keep his idiocy flowing straight from the tap.  He is the individual that makes every "warning signs of an abusive program" list:  ex-student becomes employee of his program after being "modified", runs amok abusing kids while working at Elan, leaves all fucked up with a drinking problem.  Yeah, Douche Bag, you are a shining example of what Elan produces.  You must be a very weak willed individual indeed.

    Like any other cultist, he will not tolerate infidels blaspheming his Elan.

    Fuck Elan, it's not a program, it's an all inclusive pogrom.

    Fuck Danny (Douche Bag) Bennison.  A fifty year old man should quit going by the childish "Danny", don't you think?  Grow up, you retarded adolescent.  If Elan did so much for you as a youngster, maybe you should find a program now that will make you a man.
    :rocker:  :rocker: Great post hope they dont delete it,Thank you for standing up Quasi Modo,More people should vent the truth and chase aways the nuts and undecided.Bring your friends over for a poke at Danny or his defenders. I know we can share info on Elan and still have some fun with Danny and his playmates.Use them for squeeze balls like at the office, or work. Nothing that takes your mind from your mission , just something to break up the day with.And they are fun to watch run. Make sure you download all your post to your computer to re post if deleted. I dont think Fornits is doing it ,its Moderators that are over stepping their bounds and it will come out eventually, And then they will go on the roaster and they know it, thats why they hide.There are too many offencive topics and post on this site for fornits to find anything over here, over the top.We aren't talking about fucking chickens or when we lit our last joint. By the way I would like the joint passed please, but know chicken for me thank you, that fornits would have time to fuck with us about keeping it clean.This little site like the last one we jumped on here ,has more views almost than any other forums I am not saying most but right on top with them so people like what they see for the most part and love the drama, and it brings out feelings and emotion, and I am privileged to be on the same site with ex-staff, so I can watch them and help take them apart and humiliate them, just like they did to people at Elan :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 19, 2010, 05:10:21 PM
    :waaaa: POSTINGS THAT DO NOT SUIT YOU.
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    OMFG YOU DO NOT GOT TAPEWORM IN YOUR GINA HONEY..TO BE HONEST YOU ARE NOT A GIRL EITHER. GIRLS WOULD NOT COME UP WITH TAPEWORM THEORIES. THIS IS A MAN TOTALLY. I ALREADY HAVE A CLUE WHO YOU ARE AND YOU KNOW IT TOO.
    The study of parasites and symbionts can be fascinating, both scientifically as well as philosophically!  ::OMG::  ::unhappy::
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 19, 2010, 08:58:01 PM
    Being accepted by Felice is no honor, its and insult. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 19, 2010, 09:06:33 PM
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 19, 2010, 09:09:07 PM
    :jawdrop: Why on a free for all site would anyone censor post its a free for all as introduced? :rasta:  :rasta:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 19, 2010, 09:10:31 PM
    :jawdrop: Open Free for All
    This is a forum that is for ANY topic that you desire. It is as the name intended, a free for all.  :jawdrop:
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 19, 2010, 09:12:25 PM
    :rasta:  :rasta: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies

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    Post by: mark babitz on January 19, 2010, 09:16:45 PM
    :cheers:  aspergers?
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 19, 2010, 09:23:02 PM
    :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls: In 25 minutes Jackson covered 5 forums including posts. must type 100 words per minute, unfortunately ,,and I could be wrong but,, I know I am not ,I timed it. This site wont let you post that fast and you couldn't adjust yourself to each site to review and respond that fast somebody try it.Thats 5 minutes per forum to read and then write and submit and review, not likely.  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :feedtrolls:
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 19, 2010, 09:32:03 PM
    :jawdrop: If you read the post to respond to them and Jackson has read them from Jacksons post its awful hard to believe the speed.To me it smells like an inside job, just like Jackson appearing last week and joining today. Very sloppy hiding and maneuvering, Just like post being removed from a Free For All Forum,its a conterdictions of what was said by  site Directors and I dont think they are aware, and I wont run and tell its more fun this way. ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 19, 2010, 09:46:54 PM
    ::unhappy:: I think the troll will surface soon :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls: We like trolls here ::deadhorse::  ::unhappy::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 19, 2010, 09:50:39 PM
    :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :feedtrolls:  ::unhappy::  :peace:  ::unhappy::  :rasta:  :rocker:  :jamin:
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 19, 2010, 11:36:10 PM
    :notworthy:  :rocker:  :jamin:  :rocker: What are you talking about now Jackson,?? Its would be nice if you were real, I like your style of attack, but I just have seen some unusual, stuff and I could be wrong but I dont know.?? :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy:: pacifiers and formula isle 4. :guesswho:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 19, 2010, 11:59:37 PM
    How about that according to the date the site was split Jan 17th and today is 19th.We have generated 103 post and over a 1000 views,  I think the dates were changed around on the post. that 500 views a day and 51 posts. Oprah has competition there.So I wonder, but do marvel in the glory. And there are folks commenting besides the regulars, and really no fights just some poking, except for Danny but thats ok thats why he comes around. He is like the punching dummy :beat:  :beat:  for the sites and he seems to like it :peace: . ::unhappy::  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 20, 2010, 12:05:38 AM
    justonemore » Today, 02:41

    It has come to my attention recently that stack jones has publically agreed with me.
     ::OMG:: Thus, I am compelled.
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     Is this motherfucker going to kill himself  maybe mediate this mediator this sounds like trouble, hope the person didn't take the cowards way out.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 20, 2010, 12:08:20 AM
    :jawdrop: This was on another forum  here on this site ,I hope this kids just full of shit and didn't whack himself. :jawdrop:
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    Post by: garystadler on January 20, 2010, 08:40:43 AM
    Who is Mark talking about,? Did anyone check ? ::OMG::
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    Post by: garystadler on January 20, 2010, 08:58:13 AM
    There is wifi and your not smart enough to track an IP number stupid :jawdrop:  :cheers:  :feed trolls:
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    Post by: RavingMad on January 20, 2010, 09:00:07 AM
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    justonemore » Today, 02:41

    It has come to my attention recently that stack jones has publically agreed with me.
     ::OMG:: Thus, I am compelled.
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     Is this motherfucker going to kill himself  maybe mediate this mediator this sounds like trouble, hope the person didn't take the cowards way out.
    wow what is fornits allowing to go on in here???
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    Post by: RavingMad on January 20, 2010, 09:02:07 AM
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    There is wifi and your not smart enough to track an IP number stupid :jawdrop:  :cheers:  :feed trolls:
    Oh please Felice MRS. Nancy Drew stop your babbling. I know for a fact your insaine.
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    Post by: RavingMad on January 20, 2010, 09:23:09 AM
    Funny thing is you just broke the law you dumb bitch you do not put IP address open for public, that is against the law when your site claimed to keep ppl confidential. BTW NANCY DREW I am one of Sharon's kids dumbass know it all. I see what u did to my mom and do not fucken like it.
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    Post by: psy on January 20, 2010, 09:39:25 AM
    Felice.  That is not cool.  No matter how angry you are you should not do that.  First of all moderators should not have access to IP address information at all.  I'll have to look into that but in the mean time I have no choice but to revoke your mod privs.  I'm also removing that picture from the post.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: garystadler on January 20, 2010, 09:45:35 AM
    :soapbox: Now that we have found the problem. hopefully we will find the cure good by Felic I told you you when playing a game you didn't know how to play. :jawdrop:
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 20, 2010, 11:12:45 AM
    Got you Felice you fucked your protectors, now what. ::OMG::  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: RavingMad on January 20, 2010, 11:16:46 AM
    Hey Mom since you had to go tell everyone, thanks for ruining my fun wtf......anyways isnt Felice the one whom called ART to get him all excited over your website? So she created the issue on purpose to trash the site. I busted my ass in helping create that site too. For all you out there bad ppl lie and do bad things to good honest ppl. My mother is currently working on making sure things are moving with the closing of Elan, but now to afraid to share information with anyone. I do want you to know come the beginning of MArch something amazing is about to happen. The dreams of my mothers will be made publically. So guess you will all have to wait to find out but it is real and it is happening. All thanks to my MOM who took the shit from you all and kept her head up high and proudly. You all tried to break her but she never fell. I am more than proud to be her daughter. I am honored God chose her as my mother. How many of your kids can say that about you? Maybe there is still time to do right thing. Do not let Elan get away with what they have done to anyone. Even if they ever admit the things that occured there, it will be enugh in a lot of hearts to put closure in their souls. Elan is down to 37 students, money is getting tight for them now. Do not stop keep fighting, it is working. Whether you personally like each other or not, get on board and at least group together in one thing. It is not to late to change attitudes. I hope like my mother to see this place close one day, and it will. But it goes beyond Elan, there are many schools and bootcamps that treat teens badly. There has to be smarter people to help come up with alternative plans for parents. Maybe if places are developed and created we need to be aware of them. Spread knowledge and spread words of encouragement. I saw my mother in tears over this effort, that will never be in vein trust me. She will do it where half of you could not. You want to know why? She is tough, got courage, got balls, got intelligence however she hides it well, and she has 8 kids who would do anything for her. She has been an good MOM, knows how to sacrific and she has over and over again for us all. Education she pushed us all in, this is one thing she never gave in about. But she allowed us to be ourselves as individuals.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Antigen on January 20, 2010, 12:23:18 PM
    Good call, Psy. For the record, we do NOT tolerate any such violation of privacy by moderators or admins. People are people, though. No one's perfect. Looks like Psy took care of this as quickly as possible. Not worried about legality, though, cause the allegedly injured party would have to show some kind of injury or loss to support a claim. No hearing officer in his right mind would likely care to take sides in this mud-fest. So no harm no foul.

    To the rest of the combatants, I'm happy to hear that someone may be doing some effective activism against Elan. Sure hope it's true. Ya'll might want to keep an eye on the Dozier School story as it may establish a slightly better precedent for people wanting to make claims against the states in which they were abused or from which they were sent. I know Elan had a lot of foster kids from Chicago for awhile and I understand they still take a lot of adjudicated youths.

    But as far as all the infighting goes, I really don't have a dog in that fight at all. One solution for you all is, of course,  :boycott: To those who wish to have meaningful discussion, please bear with us as we cypher the flooding and spam from legit discussion and try to clean things up a bit. It's often a much more difficult call than you might think and we actually do burn up the phone lines, chat n so forth to try and make a decent decision. Mean time, Che once gave some of the best advice I've ever heard. Something he learned while getting his certification. The best way to discourage unwanted behavior in others is to simply ignore it and, instead, focus on the stuff you do like. So.... do dat to the extent that you can.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 20, 2010, 02:32:24 PM
    Psy stepped right up to the plate and handled the problem, Yes it is very hard to run down an IP number but that wasn't her intention, she lacks the brain power for that, She is an antagonistic person with no direction.Just trying to do what others have done towards her, but she missed the whole lesson, Only things that are posted publicly can come up, not private protected info like IP addresses and ssi numbers etc. Even a home address is ok. But not things that are guaranteed to be secure, That's how junk mail makes it your house or telemarketers. The worst part is she embarrassed herself and the people that have defended her, even when they were told threw posts and Felices own post and words she is not stable and has been institutionalise off on all her life for mental illness And is basically a nut on heavy meds.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2010, 02:36:00 PM
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Quasi Modo on January 20, 2010, 02:42:19 PM
    Yawn.  Felice, don't let the bastards get you down.  These assholes are showing their true colors, and it is disgusting.  It's horrifying to watch programees continuing to inflict pain on the abused.  Rabid fucking cultists with their heads lodged completely in their shit chutes.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 20, 2010, 03:02:45 PM
    :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 20, 2010, 03:16:02 PM
    Quote from: "Quasi Modo"
    Yawn.  Felice, don't let the bastards get you down.  These assholes are showing their true colors, and it is disgusting.  It's horrifying to watch programees continuing to inflict pain on the abused.  Rabid fucking cultists with their heads lodged completely in their shit chutes.
    :soapbox: She follows us around. the site was split due to her wyning :waaaa:  :waaaa: now she comes around again. Oh well, You seem to hate Danny so bad but yet ,I hated on him and got attacked by Felice, she will post  nice things to Danny then hate things the next day, Do yourself a favor read her post then make a judgement. She has done the same things to Sharon and others but they fight their own battles and pretty well. All and all Felice is not a moderator anymore. So I think my point is made . trying to justify her actions only make you look like you would turn on the site owners too, Because that is what happened. They are the only ones with IP numbers and obviously from their response she fucked up big. :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  ::unhappy:: So in the battle of bull shit and games she lost and big, infront of the world wide web :cheers:  :cheers:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Quasi Modo on January 20, 2010, 03:45:40 PM
    I'm not turning on anyone, pal.  Your level of vehemence is inappropriate, as is the gloating and glee from your cohorts.  It is funny how you guys downplay Fornits when it suits you, then play it up as if the eyes of the world are on it.  I saw what was posted, and I still say "don't let the bastards get you down".

    You being one of the prime bastards.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 20, 2010, 03:46:27 PM
    :karma: by mark babitz » 51 minutes ago

    Report this postReply with quoteHow did Felice get ISP addresses?
    by exposecedu » 2 minutes ago

    How did she get ISP addresses? This is beyond fucked up. :soapbox:   I guess there are others, give the page a couple of days Antigen and I know your tune will change, atleast everyone will know were you stand about people that steal info from their friends web sites.   Thank You Exposecedu ::OMG::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2010, 03:47:59 PM
    Quote from: "Quasi Modo"
    I'm not turning on anyone, pal.  Your level of vehemence is inappropriate, as is the gloating and glee from your cohorts.  It is funny how you guys downplay Fornits when it suits you, then play it up as if the eyes of the world are on it.  I saw what was posted, and I still say "don't let the bastards get you down".

    You being one of the prime bastards.

    Quasi Shopko,

    How much did Felice pay you to defend her?
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Quasi Modo on January 20, 2010, 03:52:17 PM
    Quote from: "exposecedu"
    Quote from: "Quasi Modo"
    I'm not turning on anyone, pal.  Your level of vehemence is inappropriate, as is the gloating and glee from your cohorts.  It is funny how you guys downplay Fornits when it suits you, then play it up as if the eyes of the world are on it.  I saw what was posted, and I still say "don't let the bastards get you down".

    You being one of the prime bastards.

    Quasi Shopko,

    How much did Felice pay you to defend her?


    I'm not your program, no one has to pay me.  I'm only supporting a program survivor who is being demonized by a bunch of vindictive cultists.  Keep embarrassing yourself.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2010, 03:55:07 PM
    Your full of crap.  How well do you really know Felice?  You don't know her at all, do you?  Take that survivor garbage and stuff it.  You are doing nothing but talking out your shit pipe.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 20, 2010, 03:57:15 PM
    Quote from: "exposecedu"
    Quote from: "Quasi Modo"
    I'm not turning on anyone, pal.  Your level of vehemence is inappropriate, as is the gloating and glee from your cohorts.  It is funny how you guys downplay Fornits when it suits you, then play it up as if the eyes of the world are on it.  I saw what was posted, and I still say "don't let the bastards get you down".

    You being one of the prime bastards.

    Quasi Shopko,

    How much did Felice pay you to defend her?
    :soapbox:  :soapbox: I ask the same question, Oh by the way "Quasi Modo" was the Hunch Back of Notre Dame I believe, do you resemble him.? And do you have a real name instead of a make believe one? Its hard to take someone seriously when they hide like a child. And to defend the shown site thief and manipulator,well  you display no shame or trust. I think you needs to examine your friends, the site did. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Quasi Modo on January 20, 2010, 03:59:14 PM
    Quote from: "exposecedu"
    Take that survivor garbage and stuff it.


    Well at least you are honest about who's camp you are in.  Fairly obvious what your motivation is for the mudslinging now.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2010, 04:03:31 PM
    Take that survivor garbage and stuff it. = You making excuses for invasion of privacy queen.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Quasi Modo on January 20, 2010, 04:14:26 PM
    Quote from: "exposecedu"
    Take that survivor garbage and stuff it. = You making excuses for invasion of privacy queen.


    Since you bastards have formed a lynch mob, what exactly do you hope to accomplish with all this bitching?  What would dry your tears and quell your noise?  The only sanction possible has been performed and Psy was praised for doing it.  

    Pick her punishment, cedu or Babitz or whoever.  You must have something in mind.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 20, 2010, 06:55:08 PM
    ::unhappy::  ::unhappy:: We will !!  And you too ass-hole. Don't you have a real name. In this area of the forum we use real names if want to fight or really get involved. Trust me anyone I deal with on any site at any level knows my name and has my phone and address big mouth, Including " PSY "on this site. So I dont hide from anyone,I never hid from my Father I dont hide from you or anyone, If someone has a brain and good strong attitude and character they have my number :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 21, 2010, 08:41:36 AM
    :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Quasi Modo on January 21, 2010, 09:23:41 AM
    Quote from: "mark babitz"
    ::unhappy::  ::unhappy:: We will !!  And you too ass-hole. Don't you have a real name. In this area of the forum we use real names if want to fight or really get involved. Trust me anyone I deal with on any site at any level knows my name and has my phone and address big mouth, Including " PSY "on this site. So I dont hide from anyone,I never hid from my Father I dont hide from you or anyone, If someone has a brain and good strong attitude and character they have my number :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:

    You're an excitable little pickle.  It's a pisser just to read your hyperactive, spastic posts, I can't imagine the shrill noise of it coming off live.  I wouldn't piss on you if you were burning.  No rules have changed regarding this area of the forum, you certainly don't have any authority to issue your bizarre "rules", so why don't you crawl back into your hole and fuck yourself with a pineapple.  But you might want to hide from your daddy while you do it.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: psy on January 21, 2010, 09:36:41 AM
    Quote from: "Quasi Modo"
    Quote from: "mark babitz"
    ::unhappy::  ::unhappy:: We will !!  And you too ass-hole. Don't you have a real name. In this area of the forum we use real names if want to fight or really get involved. Trust me anyone I deal with on any site at any level knows my name and has my phone and address big mouth, Including " PSY "on this site. So I dont hide from anyone,I never hid from my Father I dont hide from you or anyone, If someone has a brain and good strong attitude and character they have my number :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:

    You're an excitable little pickle.  It's a pisser just to read your hyperactive, spastic posts, I can't imagine the shrill noise of it coming off live.  I wouldn't piss on you if you were burning.  No rules have changed regarding this area of the forum, you certainly don't have any authority to issue your bizarre "rules", so why don't you crawl back into your hole and fuck yourself with a pineapple.  But you might want to hide from your daddy while you do it.
    @ all of you: Why are you even bothering to engage in this at all?  Read Inculcated's post:
    viewtopic.php?f=2&t=29883 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=29883)

    Do you seriously want to be part of a perpetual encounter group or do you want to do something about Elan?  If y'all can't get over all this stupid petty bickering nothing is ever going to get done.

     :jerry:

     ::deadhorse::

     ::puke::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 21, 2010, 09:46:41 AM
    :peace: Vary true :peace:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: psy on January 21, 2010, 10:00:53 AM
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    I AGREE WE NEED TO REFOCUS
    Forgive me for being presumptuous but I'm not sure that's even possible until each of you can learn to have a little compassion or at least understanding towards each other.  Those are far more powerful weapons than insults as there is much strength in cohesion and very little in chaos and division.

    Why not just start with explaining how you got to this point.  What caused you and the others to become so totally locked in this perpetual chaos?
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: psy on January 21, 2010, 11:15:49 AM
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    Quote from: "psy"
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    I AGREE WE NEED TO REFOCUS
    Forgive me for being presumptuous but I'm not sure that's even possible until each of you can learn to have a little compassion or at least understanding towards each other.  Those are far more powerful weapons than insults as there is much strength in cohesion and very little in chaos and division.

    Why not just start with explaining how you got to this point.  What caused you and the others to become so totally locked in this perpetual chaos?
    No offense PSY but who gives you the right to judge me as not having compassion.

    Not everything is a judgment or an attack on you personally.  What I said is just a presumption; what I see to be true, and the basis of these conflicts.  Take it or leave it.

    I'm not trying to justify or excuse what was said to you.  It's really not my concern.  I'm less concerned with who said what first and to whom than I am with the fact that it just will not stop.  When you are attacked you have one of two options: to respond and escalate the situation, or to attempt to calm the situation by responding calmly, the way you would wish to be treated.  People respond in kind, sometimes not immediately, but almost always given enough time.  The only reason to not act in this way is if you do not want the conflict to stop.

    There is always a choice, and often it takes mores strength and conviction to say "that hurts, i'm sorry you feel that way", than it does to violently lash out and attack back, accomplishing nothing at all.  Don't get me completely wrong.  There is a time and a place for conflict, but not when it does nothing but further a neverending circle of violent reciprocity.  Maybe you or others think you can fight until you drive all the others away who don't think like you or agree with you.  It might work, but in the end nobody thinks alike so my prediction is that it would make for a very lonely existence.

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    Have you not looked at some of these others on here, they bring up such vile things and do instigate a reaction.

    Maybe.  And like I said there are two ways to deal with that.

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    It is appearent unless you can offer a forum that is fully censored at this point nothing will be accomplished.

    Censored by whom?  Who would run this hypothetical forum?

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    If you are discusted with behaviors then help us redirect instead of backing up the fools that just insut us repeatedly. If you are not or cannot offer a solution, than frankily for years you have enabled the problem. If you would extend yourself with helping us redirect this we will be more than happy to accomidate you.

    I'm not sure I get what you're asking. Could you clarify?
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: psy on January 21, 2010, 12:11:46 PM
    Quote from: "bossybee39"
    PSY,
    I was leaning toward the lines of you beginning a rational forum and that you run it, you do have a gift of calming a lot of situations. I do listen to what you wrtie and I believe you are a very powerful influence in others to get thru and make them think. I know some of the words you have spoken has actually reached in my brain. Which is hard for people to do at times. I know I am stubborn and do tend to get in a position to make myself look like an asshole as well. But you have a rare gift, I am personally asking you to maybe gather some Elan information and I will help get some for you if you need it, you can guide a better way on here. This is what I am stating. You have a gift, and personally I would like to see it put forth in helping us get started in the positive path. I also believe Felice has a wonderful gift as well. I personally believe she has been more than punished for her little slip yesterday. I also wish for more compassion on here as well. I will not be responding to insults aymore, if they state I am a bitch, cunt, whore, man hater, piece of ignorant trash, or anything I will allow myself to let it fall on the floor of the bullshit it was created upon. If you will allow this one request I am asking of you, I give you my word...I will keep my trashy mouth closed.

    I appreciate it.  Nobody's perfect and everybody can get drawn into things from time to time.  Don't sweat it.

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    I would like a forum thread to be free of the swearing to instigate a fight. A reasonable place to agrue appropraitely. A forum thread with a purpose. This is all I would like to see, more production. Why waste it on me for God sakes. I am a mother of 8 children with a 2nd year college education. Who the hell am I to concentrate on? The people on here do not realize how powerful they can be, they have intelligence and have not placed it in the right direction. If it is embraced there can be a difference in all of us. Seriously PSY I believe you have this gift, please I am asking you to please help this on its way. I am not being a smart ass either, so do not twist my words ppl on here. I am literally serious. I will also out of respect for you PSY try to find it in my heart to learn the path of forgivness in some of the people on here. I am but only human like everyone else. ok I said my words hopefully they willl be taken in the way I am presenting them.

    I can't promise that I'll personally moderate the Elan forum as I might be relatively busy, but I can say that if I can't do it, I'll find some neutral party who can... Ursus perhaps.  I'll have to ask him...  Or perhaps both of us as we have time.  I do agree with you that the elan forum might benefit from some moderation.  That moderation, however, must be governed by rules more than by people.  What do you think about these rules from the Daytop forum (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=29882#p356306) being applied to the Elan forum?
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: psy on January 21, 2010, 12:37:24 PM
    I'll ask Ursus and perhaps inculcated and see what they say.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: psy on January 21, 2010, 02:10:07 PM
    Quote from: "bossybee39"
    Quote from: "psy"
    I'll ask Ursus and perhaps inculcated and see what they say.
    Thank you very much, this mains a lot to many and I am very thankful.
    Ursus has agreed (and been added as moderator) but I haven't heard back from Inculcated.  If she is busy or cannot do it, I may step in to help Ursus out, depending on the amount of tending the forum needs.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 22, 2010, 10:18:32 AM
    :peace:  ::unhappy::  :cheers:
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 24, 2010, 10:00:54 AM
    :rocker:  :jamin:  :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 24, 2010, 10:09:27 AM
    :soapbox: orum rules
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    by bossybee39 » Yesterday, 15:15

    ok i see your point in this, why is it others can plaster addresses and other photos, but we have a mini melt down when we post one for reasons you did not try to understand, but the ones from Elan did thou? You got pages and pages of addresses and phone numbers for all the world to see, to me that is just as wrong as other things. There is a fine line between what is allowed and not allowed, therefore can there be some clarity for this. Thanks,"Do what you feel in your heart to be right- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't."
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    by mark babitz » Yesterday, 15:22

     Its hard to stop the freedom of speech and expression when half the site is on a role . Art Barkers privacy is just as importaint and Mel Sembler, Newton Miller, Joe Ricci etc. But yet it is so important to the pursuit of justice. By baning real info, stifles the effect of true pursuit.I commend the folk that post Art Bakers info and the others ways they investigate and stand up to folks. That is how you change something is to bring it to light. The key Danny is to stay out of the light.To cesor post , just chases people away and makes it hard to be open and speack.Why are so many of Danny post gone by his own hand ??. Some people keep that stuff for reposting one day when he speack differently about something he said.He cried to the Directors of the site then attacked them in front of everyone.I have looked and there is no Lee Bennison.Only Daniel lee Bennison. As Danny said Google him. Google Lee Bennison and all you seem to get is Danny lee Bennison.One comes up as a realtor with red hair etc, younger probably his son. if you look at the photos they do look similar to Lee Bennisons photo.at Elan.and Danny lee bennison comes up in Woodstock Ga.as well if you fol ow the realtor he also has trails to Ga. Just a guess but I bet I am right if not close, Dannys response will tell it all.What if it comes out he is an Elan spy who would be the hero for exposing that      
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    by bossybee39 » Yesterday, 15:29

    Mark, I think they are intending to more censor the bitches, assholes, and cunts..that waste up space on here, not true fact information. I believe there is hope to tone down the flat out attacking thru words, and protect the ones on here for their personal information being given out. I truly believe they are interested in a positive forum threads for Elan so others do feel they can come here. Right now not to manny will come due to the personal attacks. I think this is their point."Do what you feel in your heart to be right- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't."
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    by RavingMad » Yesterday, 15:32

    I will agree but anyoone calls me anythin i reserve the right to get them back.
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    by bossybee39 » Today, 10:08

    I think I am at total peace right now. Thanks for the words of encouragment everyone tonight. Now I can sleep blissfully. lolz. "Do what you feel in your heart to be right- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't."
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 24, 2010, 10:11:47 AM
    mark babitz wrote:
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    by Guest » 11 Sep 2009, 15:38

    stack jones wrote:
    old fart barker

    Le Club International Condo
    2845 n.e. 9th st. #1004
    Fort Lauderdale, Fl. 33304-3649 co11
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    by Guest » 28 Sep 2009, 04:16

    Guest wrote:
    stack jones wrote:
    old fart barker

    Le Club International Condo
    2845 n.e. 9th st. #1004
    Fort Lauderdale, Fl. 33304-3649 co11
    , sigh......
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    Re: ART BARKER'S HOME ADDRESS
    by boil that dust speck » 01 Oct 2009, 13:55

    i hope someone goes to his home and fucking executes him.

    of course an execution that takes many, many long days.boil that dust speck
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    Re: ART BARKER'S HOME ADDRESS
    by boil that dust speck » 04 Oct 2009, 12:35

    just tidying up the place.

    really though -- did barfer suffer that horrible death yet?

    we know he suffers from horrible indignation.boil that dust speck
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    Re: ART BARKER'S HOME ADDRESS
    by boil that cunt clean » 22 Oct 2009, 08:53

    kill.

    kill.

    kill.

    666

    kill 666 of 'em.boil that cunt clean
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    Re: ART BARKER'S HOME ADDRESS
    by boil that dust speck » 30 Oct 2009, 15:17

    was it skipper chuck that said -- "who's that knokkking at my door!"boil that dust speck
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    nuff said.yer ass belongs toomee
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    jing a ling. here that door bell ring.

    answer it and see.

    then piss your pants.

    blammo!

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    There are people that have brought an unwanted light with them ,but threw true facts they will be exposed. Someone with nothing to hide in Ernest should never worry, Remember they cant convict you for what you dont say.And some people have said too much,you cant ask for help then turn on your helpers. To remove your post show guilt in a big way.Why hide your word unless you cant keep them straight, and people will re post to show that ?? Its a person running scared and I think that what everyone is seeing. I would have tossed Felice in with him, but he is also attacking her. It could be a smoke screen, but I think Felice got sucked in by him and was used. Why hate her now Danny she was one of your biggest supporters ?? She pegged you a long time ago and, you manipulated her into believing you guys were on the same side. Until she stepped over the edge, and you let her fall. Now being she is just another member and not in any position to delete and control, has she lost her fize Danny ??.Why pick on the weaker Danny ?? and set them up for such a ass whipping ?? you like that dont you?? You are a coward to walk her, into a room with bats and chains.Next site you pick or forum to corrupt leave the Felices of the world out of it. And fight your own battles. Felice doesn't need the extra beatings she didn't earn.You are a real fuck for setting Felice in front of the gun.Just remember she might gain some friends you didn't want her to have Pal. And I am one you dont want her to have and you know that. Careful Danny I picked a new friend named Felice, and I dont know if she will like it but I will stand up for her anyway. You made me look like an ass-hole beating on her, and it was you all the time leading her into me. That's ok I apologize to you Felice I sincerely do Danny or whoever you are I am coming now and will expose you.Mark Babitz    
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    mark babitz wrote:
    There are people that have brought an unwanted light with them ,but threw true facts they will be exposed. Someone with nothing to hide in Ernest should never worry, Remember they cant convict you for what you dont say.And some people have said too much,you cant ask for help then turn on your helpers. To remove your post show guilt in a big way.Why hide your word unless you cant keep them straight, and people will re post to show that ?? Its a person running scared and I think that what everyone is seeing. I would have tossed Felice in with him, but he is also attacking her. It could be a smoke screen, but I think Felice got sucked in by him and was used. Why hate her now Danny she was one of your biggest supporters ?? She pegged you a long time ago and, you manipulated her into believing you guys were on the same side. Until she stepped over the edge, and you let her fall. Now being she is just another member and not in any position to delete and control, has she lost her fize Danny ??.Why pick on the weaker Danny ?? and set them up for such a ass whipping ?? you like that dont you?? You are a coward to walk her, into a room with bats and chains.Next site you pick or forum to corrupt leave the Felices of the world out of it. And fight your own battles. Felice doesn't need the extra beatings she didn't earn.You are a real fuck for setting Felice in front of the gun.Just remember she might gain some friends you didn't want her to have Pal. And I am one you dont want her to have and you know that. Careful Danny I picked a new friend named Felice, and I dont know if she will like it but I will stand up for her anyway. You made me look like an ass-hole beating on her, and it was you all the time leading her into me. That's ok I apologize to you Felice I sincerely do Danny or whoever you are I am coming now and will expose you.Mark Babitz    

     I accept your apology.
    In fact I am kind of flattered that you have spent so much time digging up all of the information I put on the internet in the last 10 years.
    I really admired your assholishness; comming from a long line of assholes myself.
    Anyway I have a huge (twisted) icon collection, I know you would love it.Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results._________Albert Einstein
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    by Danny Bennison » Today, 08:04

    Eliscu2 wrote:
    mark babitz wrote:
    There are people that have brought an unwanted light with them ,but threw true facts they will be exposed. Someone with nothing to hide in Ernest should never worry, Remember they cant convict you for what you dont say.And some people have said too much,you cant ask for help then turn on your helpers. To remove your post show guilt in a big way.Why hide your word unless you cant keep them straight, and people will re post to show that ?? Its a person running scared and I think that what everyone is seeing. I would have tossed Felice in with him, but he is also attacking her. It could be a smoke screen, but I think Felice got sucked in by him and was used. Why hate her now Danny she was one of your biggest supporters ?? She pegged you a long time ago and, you manipulated her into believing you guys were on the same side. Until she stepped over the edge, and you let her fall. Now being she is just another member and not in any position to delete and control, has she lost her fize Danny ??.Why pick on the weaker Danny ?? and set them up for such a ass whipping ?? you like that dont you?? You are a coward to walk her, into a room with bats and chains.Next site you pick or forum to corrupt leave the Felices of the world out of it. And fight your own battles. Felice doesn't need the extra beatings she didn't earn.You are a real fuck for setting Felice in front of the gun.Just remember she might gain some friends you didn't want her to have Pal. And I am one you dont want her to have and you know that. Careful Danny I picked a new friend named Felice, and I dont know if she will like it but I will stand up for her anyway. You made me look like an ass-hole beating on her, and it was you all the time leading her into me. That's ok I apologize to you Felice I sincerely do Danny or whoever you are I am coming now and will expose you.Mark Babitz  


     I accept your apology.
    In fact I am kind of flattered that you have spent so much time digging up all of the information I put on the internet in the last 10 years.
    I really admired your assholishness; comming from a long line of assholes myself.
    Anyway I have a huge (twisted) icon collection, I know you would love it.
       
    Folks, what seems to amaze me and others that read this, is how you believe that I really give a rats ass what you are or are not doing/saying. Really !!! lol
    I have never been in relationship/harmony w/ any of you and stopped thinking it would happen months ago. Yes I am fond of some of you
    but that is not enough to bridge the large gap that has been created here. Felice there is no common ground to meet on, b/cuz really that
    is not what your asking for, your asking me to prove to you I deserve to be on that ground. What is to be gained by me doing this, sorry I don't see much to be gained.
    I came here to do something and making friends was really not high on the list, I already have friends. Now I don't mind making more but I will not
    compromise my values, ethics or ambitions to do this. This is called staying focused and on task.  Danny
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    by Danny Bennison » Today, 08:04

    Eliscu2 wrote:
    mark babitz wrote:
    There are people that have brought an unwanted light with them ,but threw true facts they will be exposed. Someone with nothing to hide in Ernest should never worry, Remember they cant convict you for what you dont say.And some people have said too much,you cant ask for help then turn on your helpers. To remove your post show guilt in a big way.Why hide your word unless you cant keep them straight, and people will re post to show that ?? Its a person running scared and I think that what everyone is seeing. I would have tossed Felice in with him, but he is also attacking her. It could be a smoke screen, but I think Felice got sucked in by him and was used. Why hate her now Danny she was one of your biggest supporters ?? She pegged you a long time ago and, you manipulated her into believing you guys were on the same side. Until she stepped over the edge, and you let her fall. Now being she is just another member and not in any position to delete and control, has she lost her fize Danny ??.Why pick on the weaker Danny ?? and set them up for such a ass whipping ?? you like that dont you?? You are a coward to walk her, into a room with bats and chains.Next site you pick or forum to corrupt leave the Felices of the world out of it. And fight your own battles. Felice doesn't need the extra beatings she didn't earn.You are a real fuck for setting Felice in front of the gun.Just remember she might gain some friends you didn't want her to have Pal. And I am one you dont want her to have and you know that. Careful Danny I picked a new friend named Felice, and I dont know if she will like it but I will stand up for her anyway. You made me look like an ass-hole beating on her, and it was you all the time leading her into me. That's ok I apologize to you Felice I sincerely do Danny or whoever you are I am coming now and will expose you.Mark Babitz  


     I accept your apology.
    In fact I am kind of flattered that you have spent so much time digging up all of the information I put on the internet in the last 10 years.
    I really admired your assholishness; comming from a long line of assholes myself.
    Anyway I have a huge (twisted) icon collection, I know you would love it.
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    Thank You Felice and once again I am sorry Mark Babitz.    
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    by bossybee39 » Today, 08:08

    mark babitz wrote:
    Thank You Felice and once again I am sorry Mark Babitz.    
    I think this is awesome that you two found some common ground and peace.It is wonderful."Do what you feel in your heart to be right- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't."
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    by mark babitz » Today, 08:12

    Danny Bennison wrote:
    Eliscu2 wrote:
    mark babitz wrote:
    There are people that have brought an unwanted light with them ,but threw true facts they will be exposed. Someone with nothing to hide in Ernest should never worry, Remember they cant convict you for what you dont say.And some people have said too much,you cant ask for help then turn on your helpers. To remove your post show guilt in a big way.Why hide your word unless you cant keep them straight, and people will re post to show that ?? Its a person running scared and I think that what everyone is seeing. I would have tossed Felice in with him, but he is also attacking her. It could be a smoke screen, but I think Felice got sucked in by him and was used. Why hate her now Danny she was one of your biggest supporters ?? She pegged you a long time ago and, you manipulated her into believing you guys were on the same side. Until she stepped over the edge, and you let her fall. Now being she is just another member and not in any position to delete and control, has she lost her fize Danny ??.Why pick on the weaker Danny ?? and set them up for such a ass whipping ?? you like that dont you?? You are a coward to walk her, into a room with bats and chains.Next site you pick or forum to corrupt leave the Felices of the world out of it. And fight your own battles. Felice doesn't need the extra beatings she didn't earn.You are a real fuck for setting Felice in front of the gun.Just remember she might gain some friends you didn't want her to have Pal. And I am one you dont want her to have and you know that. Careful Danny I picked a new friend named Felice, and I dont know if she will like it but I will stand up for her anyway. You made me look like an ass-hole beating on her, and it was you all the time leading her into me. That's ok I apologize to you Felice I sincerely do Danny or whoever you are I am coming now and will expose you.Mark Babitz  


     I accept your apology.
    In fact I am kind of flattered that you have spent so much time digging up all of the information I put on the internet in the last 10 years.
    I really admired your assholishness; comming from a long line of assholes myself.
    Anyway I have a huge (twisted) icon collection, I know you would love it.
       
    Folks, what seems to amaze me and others that read this, is how you believe that I really give a rats ass what you are or are not doing/saying. Really !!! lol
    I have never been in relationship/harmony w/ any of you and stopped thinking it would happen months ago. Yes I am fond of some of you
    but that is not enough to bridge the large gap that has been created here. Felice there is no common ground to meet on, b/cuz really that
    is not what your asking for, your asking me to prove to you I deserve to be on that ground. What is to be gained by me doing this, sorry I don't see much to be gained.
    I came here to do something and making friends was really not high on the list, I already have friends. Now I don't mind making more but I will not
    compromise my values, ethics or ambitions to do this. This is called staying focused and on task.  Danny
     Values ,Ethics????????????????????????????????????????????????????      
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    Folks, what seems to amaze me and others that read this, is how you believe that I really give a rats ass what you are or are not doing/saying. Really !!! lol
    I have never been in relationship/harmony w/ any of you and stopped thinking it would happen months ago. Yes I am fond of some of you
    but that is not enough to bridge the large gap that has been created here. Felice there is no common ground to meet on, b/cuz really that
    is not what your asking for, your asking me to prove to you I deserve to be on that ground. What is to be gained by me doing this, sorry I don't see much to be gained.
    I came here to do something and making friends was really not high on the list, I already have friends. Now I don't mind making more but I will not
    compromise my values, ethics or ambitions to do this. This is called staying focused and on task.  Danny[/quote]



    What amazes me the most is people actually let you talk...wtf, I feel but yet once again all mighty Daniel is pirposely trying to condesend on others. Why is it even your business what Mark and Felice chose to work out? Tell me oh Holy Staffer?"Do what you feel in your heart to be right- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't."
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    by Joel » Today, 08:21

    Folks, what seems to amaze me and others that read this, is how you believe that I really give a rats ass what you are or are not doing/saying. Really !!! lol
    I have never been in relationship/harmony w/ any of you and stopped thinking it would happen months ago. Yes I am fond of some of you
    but that is not enough to bridge the large gap that has been created here. Felice there is no common ground to meet on, b/cuz really that
    is not what your asking for, your asking me to prove to you I deserve to be on that ground. What is to be gained by me doing this, sorry I don't see much to be gained.
    I came here to do something and making friends was really not high on the list, I already have friends. Now I don't mind making more but I will not
    compromise my values, ethics or ambitions to do this. This is called staying focused and on task.  Danny

    What amazes me the most is people actually let you talk...wtf, I feel but yet once again all mighty Daniel is pirposely trying to condesend on others. Why is it even your business what Mark and Felice chose to work out? Tell me oh Holy Staffer?

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    1. A foolish, unreasoning, or extravagant passion or attraction. See Synonyms at love.
    2. An object of extravagant, short-lived passion.

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    1. the act of infatuating or state of being infatuated
    2. foolish or extravagant passion
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    You are rich,you pom pis ass fuck, how can you get on here after your tantrum and come back swinging at Felice saying you basically used her and did not care if she was your friend .You condemn her for wanting to know the truth about someone she is dealing with, Why is she wrong for that ?? You like the word focused, well it sounds like she was, and didn't want to be taken advantage of.Smart for her, and she showed that to be true. Take your post off Danny and go back to the house in Poland Springs Marty needs your report by morning just explain the melt down and he will give you a new list of people to spy on.    
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    by bossybee39 » Today, 08:25

    Joel wrote:
    Folks, what seems to amaze me and others that read this, is how you believe that I really give a rats ass what you are or are not doing/saying. Really !!! lol
    I have never been in relationship/harmony w/ any of you and stopped thinking it would happen months ago. Yes I am fond of some of you
    but that is not enough to bridge the large gap that has been created here. Felice there is no common ground to meet on, b/cuz really that
    is not what your asking for, your asking me to prove to you I deserve to be on that ground. What is to be gained by me doing this, sorry I don't see much to be gained.
    I came here to do something and making friends was really not high on the list, I already have friends. Now I don't mind making more but I will not
    compromise my values, ethics or ambitions to do this. This is called staying focused and on task.  Danny

    What amazes me the most is people actually let you talk...wtf, I feel but yet once again all mighty Daniel is pirposely trying to condesend on others. Why is it even your business what Mark and Felice chose to work out? Tell me oh Holy Staffer?

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    in·fat·u·a·tion (-fch-shn)
    n.
    1. A foolish, unreasoning, or extravagant passion or attraction. See Synonyms at love.
    2. An object of extravagant, short-lived passion.

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    n
    1. the act of infatuating or state of being infatuated
    2. foolish or extravagant passion
    3. an object of foolish or extravagant passion
    Joel no offense but you got me confused a bit with this, clarify your poat a little for us. It makes absolutely no sense at all. Sorry but it doesn't."Do what you feel in your heart to be right- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't."
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    by Joel » Today, 08:29

    mark babitz wrote:
    You are rich,you pom pis ass fuck, how can you get on here after your tantrum and come back swinging at Felice saying you basically used her and did not care if she was your friend .You condemn her for wanting to know the truth about someone she is dealing with, Why is she wrong for that ?? You like the word focused, well it sounds like she was, and didn't want to be taken advantage of.Smart for her, and she showed that to be true. Take your post off Danny and go back to the house in Poland Springs Marty needs your report by morning just explain the melt down and he will give you a new list of people to spy on.    

    You definately have a way with words. What are you trying to accomplish by busting Danny Bennison's balls?Joel
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    by bossybee39 » Today, 08:31

    Well first off Daniel was a Staff Member at Elan, I think this is all our passion of drive in which you need to even ask yourself. Unless your alright with Staff members that do heinous acts on teenagers?"Do what you feel in your heart to be right- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't."
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    by Joel » Today, 08:38

    bossybee39 wrote:
    Well first off Daniel was a Staff Member at Elan, I think this is all our passion of drive in which you need to even ask yourself. Unless your alright with Staff members that do heinous acts on teenagers?

    Your passion is admirable. Danny, pursuant to your demands, is not obligated to discuss his employment history and/or applicable experiences at Elan.Joel
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    by Inculcated » Today, 08:40

    bossybee39 wrote:
    Well first off Daniel was a Staff Member at Elan, I think this is all our passion of drive in which you need to even ask yourself. Unless your alright with Staff members that do heinous acts on teenagers?
    I’m veering a little off topic here. I’m posting this in response to the topic in a broader sense than simply discussing Danny Bennison.
    Considering someone having been staff as having crossed a line of demarcation that makes them beyond redemption or consideration is an understandable, but limited perspective.
    Bee’ there are a few former program staffers that contribute to Fornits who also have made considerable efforts to promoting awareness about abuses in the TTI.“A person needs a little madness, or else they never dare cut the rope and be free” Nikos Kazantzakis Inculcated
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    by bossybee39 » Today, 08:46

    Inculcated wrote:
    bossybee39 wrote:
    Well first off Daniel was a Staff Member at Elan, I think this is all our passion of drive in which you need to even ask yourself. Unless your alright with Staff members that do heinous acts on teenagers?
    I’m posting this in response to the topic in a broader sense than simply discussing Danny Bennison.
    Considering someone having been staff as having crossed a line of demarcation that makes them beyond redemption or consideration is an understandable, but limited perspective.
    Bee’ there are a few former program staffers that contribute to Fornits who also have made considerable efforts to promoting awareness about abuses in the TTI.
    I can appreciate that fully, however this man has not redeemed himself as you all think he has, once again he made erroneous complaints and destroyed my website. I have had it with this man harrassing me and others from Elan. He makes us all look like puppets in his own little show, and frankily it is discusting how everyone is allowing this man to play his little pity card so much. I am beyond pissed off that this is continuing. I will never forgive the guy nor will anything he says mean a thing to the Elan ex students. Half the people that want to be here will not come as long as his holiness is playing around on here. It is a shame few are wanting to leave now because of his little crap. The personal taunting emails he sends me are bullshit. I am done with this man period, and there is nothing anyone can say to actually make me thinnk he is not the fucken DEVIl himself."Do what you feel in your heart to be right- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't."
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    by Danny Bennison » Today, 08:54

    mark babitz wrote:
    You are rich,you pom pis ass fuck, how can you get on here after your tantrum and come back swinging at Felice saying you basically used her and did not care if she was your friend .You condemn her for wanting to know the truth about someone she is dealing with, Why is she wrong for that ?? You like the word focused, well it sounds like she was, and didn't want to be taken advantage of.Smart for her, and she showed that to be true. Take your post off Danny and go back to the house in Poland Springs Marty needs your report by morning just explain the melt down and he will give you a new list of people to spy on.    
       
    Mark,
    If you could ever make a rational arguement that would be a miracle but you can't with out going into your emotions. Which in your case
    then comes out as vulgar drool. Mark go back to last week you were calling Felice every filthy thing under the sun, WOW what a difference
    a week makes. I have seen this play out over and over and over.......Mark go find yourself and get a life....... Last edited by Danny Bennison on 24 Jan 2010, 08:57, edited 1 time in total.
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    by bossybee39 » Today, 08:56

    wow see he is instigating the shit...got to keep it going dont you. you are instigating something that is none of your business this is between mark and felice now back off of it"Do what you feel in your heart to be right- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't."
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    by bossybee39 » Today, 08:57

    i am sick of you getting away with your little manipulational bullshit on here of starting little fights. felice na dmark made up, and that drives you crazy Danny you enjoy the conflict going, now knock it off. people see thru you and you hate that dont you. ."Do what you feel in your heart to be right- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't."
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    by bossybee39 » Today, 09:01

    I think borders on a personal attack on Mark, would anyone agree???"Do what you feel in your heart to be right- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't."
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    by bossybee39 » Today, 09:06

    Joel wrote:
    bossybee39 wrote:
    Well first off Daniel was a Staff Member at Elan, I think this is all our passion of drive in which you need to even ask yourself. Unless your alright with Staff members that do heinous acts on teenagers?

    Your passion is admirable. Danny, pursuant to your demands, is not obligated to discuss his employment history and/or applicable experiences at Elan.
    Did danny come whinning to you too to stick up for him. Aww how convient out of the blue comes another savivor for his lordship. Unreal how you people are so easily snowed."Do what you feel in your heart to be right- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't."
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    by Danny Bennison » Today, 09:34

    bossybee39 wrote:
    Re: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 16 Jan 2010, 07:06
    by bossybee39

    you know everyone will be seeing this and I now feel like you are a real moron. i doubt some ppl would enjoy your treatment of me either. I suggest you leave me alone because in 5 minutes my brother who is a state patrol officer is coming over to review the fact I have asked you several times to stop it, now once again leave me alone or I will press charges. Do not contact me and all. This is harrassment and I will not tolerate it. Go buly someone else you psychoRe: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 16 Jan 2010, 06:58
    by bossybee39

    if you message me one more time I am calling the authorities plan and simple cut and dry. DO not message me or harrass me anymore you are mentally deranged individual and I do not want nothing to do with you. If you got something to say put it in forums.Re: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 16 Jan 2010, 06:50
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    i want you to stop harrassing meRe: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 16 Jan 2010, 06:41
    by bossybee39

    no need for a reply leave me the hell alone, I blocked you on facebook for a reason respect it and do not try a conversation with me in the future. only reason i am even on fornits is because i want to read a few things, other then that i will not be here trust me.Re: Act like a Big Girl
    Sent: 16 Jan 2010, 06:07
    by bossybee39

    Do not private message me ever.
     
    Sharon this doesn't show anything but you kept emailing me and you got replied to. If you remember you started the emails. Now I will say we
    'acted immature yes, but we both acted like kids. Honestly it wasn't even me it was someone else, I sort of knew but not really. Thou I will take
    responsibility.
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 24, 2010, 10:28:01 AM
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    by Inculcated » Today, 09:59

    Again this discussion has nothing to do with Elan Forum Rules Continue your discussion in the other thread“A person needs a little madness, or else they never dare cut the rope and be free” Nikos Kazantzakis Inculcated
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    by bossybee39 » Today, 10:02

    no problem i am pretty much done for the night. I seemed to have rattled someones cage unexpectedly.....not me maw way...And Danny, Mark is one of my best dearest friends, I will stand for him no matter what, remember that ok."Do what you feel in your heart to be right- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't."
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 24, 2010, 10:49:56 AM
    :rocker:  :jamin:  :rocker:  :feedtrolls:[ ELAN GROUP RULES & REGULATIONS FOR PROPER EDICATE]   :peace:  ::unhappy::  

    1. Stay on topic - When posting in this forum, please pay attention to the topic heading. Discussions that stray off-topic, yet are still Elan related, may be split off into several separate topics. Discussions that have nothing to do with Elan at all may be either deleted or moved to a more appropriate section of Fornits.

    2. Personal Attacks - Personal attacks against other forum posters are not allowed. This is not retroactive. Should you verbally "wish ill" on a person outside this forum, for example, and that person then becomes a poster on this forum, your old posts do not suddenly constitute a rule violation. You will, however, from that point on, be expected to at least be civil towards that poster for the purposes of furthered discussion with all involved parties. There is a time and a place for online "flame wars" (such as "Open Free for All"), but it is not here. If you can't hold it in, take it elsewhere.

    3. Contact Information - While you are certainly free to post your own email address, phone number, or contact information, it is not permitted to post the contact information of other people... even staff. The exception to this is the case of a person or entity that is a public figure (having put his/her self into the public domain) and for whom contact information is already widely available.

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    by bossybee39 » 22 Jan 2010, 02:11

    I agree fully, but got a question if i am attacked in another forum can I be mouthy??? Anyways thanks for doing this. Not to many would like to be in your position and it means a lot to us. Thanks."Do what you feel in your heart to be right- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't."
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: psy on January 24, 2010, 01:15:17 PM
    Mark.  Please do not repost everything like that.  It borders on flooding which is a forum-wide "federal" law here.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 24, 2010, 09:50:31 PM
    Sorry didnt know just trying to put stuff here where it belongs.
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    Post by: psy on January 24, 2010, 09:55:46 PM
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    Sorry didnt know just trying to put stuff here where it belongs.
    In the future, please just link to it.  Thanks.
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 24, 2010, 10:01:14 PM
    Ok didnt know how, but I will learn, Thanks :rocker:  :jamin:  :rocker:  :cheers:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 26, 2010, 08:53:24 AM
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 27, 2010, 08:37:24 AM
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    The evolution of residential schools
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    Douglas J. DeCerbo, executive director of Mount St. John Inc. in Deep River, Connecticut, notes that behavioral diagnoses continue to be the focus at the residential school. (photo by Tom Croke)
     
    By Phyllis Hanlon

    Twenty years ago, admission to a residential school was virtually a life sentence. In 2004, residential programs began to solicit input from students, encourage more family involvement and create safer living conditions. Today, residential schools reflect ongoing change and evolution.

    A 30-year veteran in the field, Paul L. Dann, Ph.D., executive director of NFI North, outside of Concord, N.H., has seen some dramatic changes in residential care in the last five years. He lists the complexity of diagnoses as well as the national trend away from residential placement as the biggest changes, with shrinking resources as the biggest challenge. "Many [children] have co-occurring diagnoses. It may be substance abuse, mental health issues or cognitive functioning," he says. "We also get more referrals for Asperger's and gender-specific services."

    While NFI North, an extension of the North American Family Institute (NAFI), traditionally follows a normative approach - creating a positive group culture and examining how students can move toward identified goals - treatment has shifted toward evidence-based practices as a way to "understand the complexity of human behavior," Dann says. He cites cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) and motivational enrichment therapy as two current treatment options.

    Families have also become the "drivers" of care, explains Dann. "In years past, we would partner with the family. Now we let the family drive where we're going," he says, citing traditional family meetings to create a treatment plan and identify goals and objectives as key to successful therapy. "We reach out to families at all levels of the treatment process. This is different than an expert telling them what to do," Dann says.

    At 105-year old Mount St. John Inc., in Deep River, Conn., behavioral diagnoses continue to be the focus, although more students are presenting with eating disorders, posttraumatic stress disorder and depression, according to Executive Director Douglas J. DeCerbo. Some students "have been exposed to behavior on the streets and a lot have come from the juvenile system," he notes. To adapt to this population, the school's treatment options have evolved. "Our Step Up program teaches the skills to deal with behavior, instead of trying to correct the behavior only," DeCerbo says. "Now a lot of focus has been placed on integrating the child into society.

    Shortened lengths of stay have contributed to the newer treatment methods. "In the past, a length of stay could be two or three years," says DeCerbo. "Now, it's nine months or less, unless there is a placement tie-up." From the time of admission, the plan is to prepare students for re-integration into society. "As soon as they [students] come in, we're already looking at a discharge plan," he says.

    To address life beyond residential care, Mount St. John is in the process of developing a vocational program. "We are affiliated with Homebuilders Institute in Washington, D.C. The students get certified in maintenance and 'greening.' They get school credit and work in an apprentice program," DeCerbo says.

    The philosophy regarding restraints and seclusion has also shifted. DeCerbo reports that Mount St. John has reduced its use of restraints by 30 percent, although he says there are times when this strategy is necessary. "But the emphasis is on prevention. We're always looking to de-escalate behavior," he says. "The whole field is going in that direction."

    Advances in electronic communications have created opportunities and benefits non-existent in the past. "Technology has helped in many areas: sharing and recording information, delivery of services, reaching distances and has saved resources," says Dann. NFI North uses a Web-based client record system, which helps to consolidate information. "All permissions, reports, treatment plans are electronic," he says. "There is a huge amount of data available. Before it was spread around in bits and pieces."

    Given that NFI North has facilities across New Hampshire and Maine, computerized systems facilitate communications. "My geographic area takes more than seven hours to cover," says Dann. "Now we can connect and engage people."

    Students are also tied in electronically through the Plato learning system, a virtual classroom. Dann says, "Students who can't deal with the classroom can get on the computer and get a terrific education."

    Mount St. John also offers a virtual learning program of 18 modules that are linked to the state board of education. "Going back to high school at 18 is difficult," says DeCerbo. "[Students] are not as much of an outcast if they can earn some credits while in a residential facility."

    Not all residential schools have seen significant change, however. ::OMG::  The Elan School in Poland Springs, Maine has maintained its focus on serving children with oppositional defiant disorder, according to Jerry Sapan, Ph.D., clinical psychologist. He notes some increase in Asperger's, posttraumatic stress disorder, attentive disorders and depressive disorder (NOS), but emphasizes that the model of care remains the same. "We have a methodical, thorough, assiduous, lengthy program," he says. The school attempts to build character, a strong work ethic and self-esteem through task mastery, Sapan explains.

    Although diagnoses upon admission and therapy remain the same, parental involvement has increased. Many of Elan's students come from across the country as well as from overseas so face-to-face encounters become challenging, Sapan says. "A few years ago, we started a Web cam for family sessions. This has improved the family component." While length of stay has been significantly reduced at most schools, Elan's philosophy of no psychotropic medications results in a typical stay of 2.5 years. "A shorter length of stay is due to medications," says Sapan. "We don't believe in masking a child's feelings. They need to learn how to deal with shame, discomfort and anxiety."

    While Elan supports Web sessions between students and families, the school allows access to email only under supervision. "Some of the students are computer addicted. They are too much into virtual violence and porno," says Sapan. "I'm amazed at how many young children, six and seven-years-old, are watching porn."

    Although he agrees with treating in the least restrictive setting, DeCerbo says that residential care has its place. "Residential [treatment] can be a viable treatment piece of the whole continuum for children. There should be a whole continuum depending on treatment needs and the best interest of the child."
     
       
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 27, 2010, 09:01:47 AM
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    According to a report in the New York Post, Coleman somehow met his alleged accomplice, Krystal Riordan, via the Elan School, a school for troubled students ...
    http://www.hudsonreporter.com/pages/ful ... id=2417001 (http://www.hudsonreporter.com/pages/full_stories_home/push?article-Few+new+developments+in+grisly+murder+Bergen+Co-+girl+was+killed+in+Weehawken-+dumped+in+WNY%20&id=2417001) :cheers: Great recent post Hudson Reporter New Jersey  , :soapbox:  [2010] :rocker:Todays news literaly. :rocker:  :rocker:
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 27, 2010, 09:54:13 AM
    Ben Weasel Music News & Info | Billboard.com
    ... and was tossed out of three different Chicago-area schools before he was shipped off to Maine to attend the Elan School, described by its administrators ...
    www.billboard.com/artist/ben-weasel/137679 (http://www.billboard.com/artist/ben-weasel/137679)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 27, 2010, 09:55:12 AM
    A TROUBLED YOUNG LIFE. The accused: dad says she has struggled ...
    Jul 30, 2006 ... Desperate to help Krystal when she was a teen, her parents sent her to the Elan School in Poland Spring, Maine, about 140 miles north of ...
    www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/2006/ ... the_a.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/2006/07/30/2006-07-30_a_troubled_young_life__the_a.html)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 27, 2010, 09:58:06 AM
    A TROUBLED YOUNG LIFE. The accused: dad says she has struggled ...
    Jul 30, 2006 ... Desperate to help Krystal when she was a teen, her parents sent her to the Elan School in Poland Spring, Maine, about 140 miles north of ...
    www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/2006/ ... the_a.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/2006/07/30/2006-07-30_a_troubled_young_life__the_a.html)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 27, 2010, 09:59:24 AM
    RISING STAR | www.nantucketindependent.com (http://www.nantucketindependent.com) | The Nantucket ...
    ... School teacher Chris Getoor in their middle and high school years, ... self-destruction before he landed at the Elan School of Poland, Maine, where troubled students are guided ...
    www.nantucketindependent.com/news/2008/ ... s/004.html (http://www.nantucketindependent.com/news/2008/1126/other_news/004.html)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 27, 2010, 10:03:05 AM
    Whatever Happened To: Brad Smith - Milford, MA - The Milford ...
    His favorite memory from high school hockey came his freshman year in ... He was the assistant head master at the Elan School eventually moving on to Cony High. ...
    www.milforddailynews.com/archive/x16854 ... Brad-Smith (http://www.milforddailynews.com/archive/x1685420454/Whatever-Happened-To-Brad-Smith)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 27, 2010, 10:04:07 AM
    The Latest News from Brady Mills Graphis and Interactive Marketing
    Brady Mills Graphics announced earlier this month that Elan School expanded its services with BMG. ... Learn more about Elan School at www.elanschool.com (http://www.elanschool.com). ...
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 27, 2010, 10:17:01 AM
    Education Maine
    Pittsfield Maine Central Institute | Saint Agnes Parochial School | Poland Elan School | Portland Adams Elementary School | Deering High School | Hall ...
    www.ohwy.com/me/e/educatio.htm (http://www.ohwy.com/me/e/educatio.htm)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 27, 2010, 10:48:16 AM
    :soapbox:  :soapbox: I would expect the site to remove Arts photo at once :soapbox:  :soapbox:
    Title: Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
    Post by: Joel on January 27, 2010, 11:08:58 AM
    Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 27, 2010, 07:42:08 PM
    :soapbox:  :rocker:  :jamin:  :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 28, 2010, 08:57:11 AM
    :soapbox: Good to see Matt Hoffman back on the site :rocker:  :jamin:  :rocker: Long time no talk,thanks for coming around
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 28, 2010, 06:26:09 PM
    :rocker:  :jamin:  :rocker:
    Title: Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
    Post by: Joel on January 28, 2010, 06:55:04 PM
    Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 28, 2010, 07:00:25 PM
    Quote from: "Joel"
    Quote from: "mark babitz"
    :rocker:  :jamin:  :rocker:
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    :soapbox: Great post Joel :rocker:  :jamin:  :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 09:43:23 AM
    :jawdrop: Former Elan residents cite pattern of abuse - Martha Moxley - The ...
    Accusations of physical abuse and humiliation bestowed upon Michael Skakel during his stay at the Elan School in Poland Spring, Maine might lend credibility ...
    www.marthamoxley.com/news/01282Kgrpost1.htm (http://www.marthamoxley.com/news/01282Kgrpost1.htm) :soapbox:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 09:45:35 AM
    SEVP: List of SEVIS Approved Schools in Maine
    Elan School, Elan School, Poland, ME, 4/28/2003 0:00. Erskine Academy, Erskine Academy, South China, ME, 6/14/2005 0:00. Faith School of Theology ...
    www.ice.gov/sevis/map/me.htm (http://www.ice.gov/sevis/map/me.htm)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 09:47:14 AM
    :rocker: 98-43
    On January 18, 1995, petitioner enrolled his son in the Elan School, .... The boy attended the Elan School during the 1996-97 and 1997-98 school years ...
    www.sro.nysed.gov/decisionindex/1998/98-43.htm (http://www.sro.nysed.gov/decisionindex/1998/98-43.htm) :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 09:51:53 AM
    :soapbox: International Survivors Action Committee (ISAC)
    ISAC Corporation is a non profit organization working to expose child abuse within privately owned behavior modification centers, drug treatment centers, ...
    isaccorp.org  :soapbox: Some reason site is not online ??
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 09:54:08 AM
    :jamin: FindLaw | Cases and Codes
    The school district refused. The Elan School does not offer psychiatric or other medical treatment for substance abuse or depression. ...
    caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=search&case=/data2/circs/7th/982682.html  :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 09:56:08 AM
    Approved Out-of-State Special Education Schools as of December 9 ...
    Elan School P.O. Box 578. Poland, Maine 04274-0578, Approved: March 27, 2007, Expiration: Mar 27, 2010. Easter Seals School Of Rutland Vermont Step-Up ...
    www.doe.mass.edu/pqa/sa_nr/oos_spedschools.html (http://www.doe.mass.edu/pqa/sa_nr/oos_spedschools.html)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 10:14:18 AM
    The Newsroom
    L MAINE - Former victims describe dangerous "therapy" at Elan School for troubled teens in Maine, Associated Press, May 25, 2002 ..... Why child abuse is at 10-year low: Recent improvement is linked to the strong economy and .... and the possibly negative effects of being obsessed with pain and suffering (e.g., ...
    www.nospank.net/news3.htm (http://www.nospank.net/news3.htm)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 10:18:35 AM
    OUT OF THE SIXTIESEssays
    Those of us old enough to remember the 1960s will recall a decade of tremendous change, creativity and turmoil... Another early school was Elan, in Poland Springs, Maine. ...
    www.strugglingteens.com/artman/publish/ ... 5922.shtml (http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/publish/printer_5922.shtml)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 10:33:42 AM
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    May 25, 2002 ... Former victims describe dangerous "therapy" at Elan School for ... about the " reputation for truthfulness" of fellow Elan alum John Higgins, ...
    www.nospank.net/elan.htm (http://www.nospank.net/elan.htm)
    A Miscarriage of Justice - The Atlantic (January/February 2003)
    The calls came from former students at the Elan School who were eager to ... John Higgins was another Elan bully. At the trial Higgins said that he had been ...
    www.theatlantic.com/doc/200301/kennedy-skakel/5 (http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200301/kennedy-skakel/5)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 10:34:46 AM
    In re Michael s.
    Aug 17, 2000 ... (11) In the late 1970s, the respondent attended the Elan School in .... In evaluating the credibility of John Higgins, Gregory Coleman and ...
    www.jud.ct.gov/external/news/Press032.html (http://www.jud.ct.gov/external/news/Press032.html)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 10:39:05 AM
    ZoomInfo Open People Directory > Higgins, Joel - Higgins, John
    ... Diamond Elite Volleyball Academy. John Higgins, Eastern Harps. John Higgins, Elan School ... John Higgins, Kearsarge Regional School District School ...
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 10:42:01 AM
    Who's Who?
    John Higgins, a former classmate of Michael Skakel's at the Elan School. Higgins was the only person to testify that Skakel confessed to killing Martha ...
    www.marthamoxley.com/news/060802gt2.htm (http://www.marthamoxley.com/news/060802gt2.htm)
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 11:11:08 AM
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 11:23:19 AM
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 12:07:51 PM
    Straight Inc., Founded by Melvin and Betty Sembler
    Straight Inc., Founded by Melvin and Betty Sembler Straight spinoffs--Safe Recovery, Kids Helping Kids, Growing Together of Lake Worth, Pathway Family ...
    www.rickross.com/groups/straightinc.html (http://www.rickross.com/groups/straightinc.html)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 12:09:07 PM
    Sembler's Straight program
    Agity Hero of the Year 2002 (web division): Wes Fager, for his tireless efforts to bring the Straight, Inc. story to the public ...
    www.thestraights.com (http://www.thestraights.com)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 12:10:06 PM
    Ambassador de Sade | | AlterNet
    For 16 years, Sembler, with his wife Betty, directed the leading juvenile rehab business in America, STRAIGHT, Inc., before seeing it dismantled by a ...
    www.alternet.org/story/27725 (http://www.alternet.org/story/27725)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 12:11:15 PM
    Straight Inc. by the Sea
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 12:11:46 PM
    Straight Inc. Visitor Comments
    "I was a victim of Straight Inc. I attended three of their programs. I was beaten up and sent to the hospital with a broken nose or jaw fracture more than ...
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 12:14:27 PM
    More Straight, Incorporated survivor accounts: | The Agitator
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    www.theagitator.com/2002/05/20/more-str ... r-accounts (http://www.theagitator.com/2002/05/20/more-straight-incorporated-survivor-accounts)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 12:17:04 PM
    Drug Free America Foundation, formerly known as Straight, Inc.
    From 1976-1985 it was known as Straight, Inc. and had a reputation for abusing kids as a drug rehabilitation program. In 1985 it changed its name to ...
    drugfreeamericafoundation.blogspot.com/ :soapbox: Have to type in drugfreeamericafoundation.blogspot.com :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 12:19:56 PM
    :soapbox:  ::OMG:: HEY ELANS PEOPLE LOOK AT THIS  ::OMG::  Straight, Inc. Survivor's Letter Requesting Acknowledgement ...
    Signatures on the Straight, Inc. Survivor's Letter Requesting Acknowledgement and an Apology Petition to Nancy Reagan, President George Bush, Sr., Former ...
    http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/ ... 5561me&201 (http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?295561me&201) :soapbox:That what we need :cheers: :soapbox:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 12:21:57 PM
    :rocker: Straight Survivors Meetup Groups - Straight Survivors Meetups
    Meet other local friends, family, and survivors of Straight, Inc., a controversial drug rehab for teenagers started in the 1970's. ...
    [straight.meetup.com/]   must type in  :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 12:23:09 PM
    Maia Szalavitz: DEA, Florida 'Honor' Abusive Rehab Founder, Wife ...
    Jan 16, 2009 ... The equivalent just happened in Florida, where Betty Sembler--co-founder of the abusive Straight, Inc. rehab chain--has been named by ...
    www.huffingtonpost.com/maia-szalavitz/d ... e_b_158529 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/maia-szalavitz/dea-florida-honor-abusive_b_158529)
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 12:25:47 PM
    FOXNews.com
    Aug 8, 2000 ... Samantha Monroe was 12 years old in 1981 when her parents enrolled her in the Sarasota, Fla., branch of Straight Inc., an aggressive drub ...
    www.webdiva.org/fox/ (http://www.webdiva.org/fox/)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 12:26:45 PM
    Drug Free America Foundation, formerly known as Straight, Inc.: The ...
    From 1976-1985 it was known as Straight, Inc. and had a reputation for abusing kids as a drug rehabilitation program. In 1985 it changed its name to Straight Foundation, Inc. in ...
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 04:47:01 PM
    :soapbox:  :rocker:  :jamin:  :rocker:
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    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 05:39:49 PM
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: come on January 29, 2010, 06:02:04 PM
    I will give you $500 if you don't respond to anything until midnight.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 06:15:04 PM
    :notworthy:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 06:32:06 PM
    :soapbox:  :soapbox:
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    Post by: come on January 29, 2010, 06:34:34 PM
    Quote from: "mark babitz"
    :soapbox:  :soapbox: Hey Stupid you still there this forum gets alot of hits, make sure you make an ass of yourself Stupid,But use your real name and be adult Stupid, My forums get the most hits if want to be know say it Stupid. Or look at the count on views if you can count Stupid :fuckoff:  :karma:  :fuckoff:

    You usually talk to yourself.  That is why this forum gets allot of hits.  Talking to yourself is a serious problem mark.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 06:36:01 PM
    :jawdrop:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 06:37:11 PM
    :notworthy:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: come on January 29, 2010, 06:40:14 PM
    Quote from: "mark babitz"
    :notworthy: Please more words of witt :notworthy: Stupid

    mark come back to group and talk about your feelings/anger/resentment/childhood.  We care about you.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 06:42:58 PM
    ::unhappy::::unhappy::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: come on January 29, 2010, 06:44:31 PM
    Quote from: "mark babitz"
    ::unhappy:: I dont care about you and that was your first mistake Stupid, haven't gotten past hiding yet ::unhappy::

    You have more to say.  Don't stop now.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on January 29, 2010, 06:46:28 PM
    :soapbox:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: come on January 29, 2010, 06:59:34 PM
    Quote from: "mark babitz"
    :notworthy: Ok you get the last word Stupid :notworthy:

    I never thought mark would bow down to another troll.   :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on February 23, 2010, 03:41:05 PM
    I knew you guys would make it threw the storm :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers: Just love those little guys on the side here :rocker:  :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 14, 2010, 11:31:30 AM
    :cheers:  :feedtrolls:  :agree:  :rasta: Site is loooking great guys
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    History of Poland, Maine
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    A Gazetteer of the
    State of Maine

    By Geo. J. Varney
    Published by B. B. Russell, 57 Cornhill,
    Boston 1886








    Poland is the south-west town of Androscoggin County. It is 10 miles from Lewiston and 85 from Portland, with both of which places it is connected by the Grand Trunk Railroad, which passes across the north-eastern portion of the town. The territory of Poland is nearly square, its angles marking the points of the compass. It is bounded on the north-east by Minot and Auburn from which it is separated by the little Androscoggin River, on the south-east by New Gloucester and Auburn, on the south-west by Casco and Raymond, and on the north-west by Otisfield and Oxford. It contains 26,000 acres of land, about two-thirds of which is improved. There are six considerable ponds wholly within its limits and another in part. Thompson’s Pond, the last mentioned and largest, is at the western angle, and contains 8 square miles. Tripp’s Pond, lying about half a mile eastward, has-an area of one and one-fourth square miles; the Upper, Middle and Lower Range ponds, lying parallel with the last from the middle of the town southward, contains 85-55 and 50-lOOths of a square mile respectively. The principal business of the town is at Mechanic Falls. Poland Corner, at the centre of the town, has steam, grist, saw and planing mills, and considerable neighborhood trade. There is a lumber-mill and sash and blind factory at Page’s Miii on the river above Mechanic Falls, and lumber-mills at Hacket’s Mills and Minot Post-Office below, and at West Poland. At the southern angle of the town the Shakers have a power used for several small manufactures. East Poland has a post-office and railway station, and West and South Poland and Shaker Village have each a post-office. The most important manufactures at Mechanic Falls are paper, and the repeating rifles of the Evans Rifle Company, and a canning factory. The Dennison Paper Manufacturing Company operates six different mills at this place, producing various kinds of paper, and employing about 225 persons. The surface of the town is in the eastern part level or gentle undulating, while in the western portion there is a combination of hill, lake and forest scenery that is very pleasing, and in some parts highly picturesque. The ledges that crop out along the hillsides show a coarse granite structure with a predominance e of felspar in some localities. Micaschist and argillaceous rock are found in other quarters. The soil in the lowlands and valleys is alluvial, having a surface stratum of vegetable origin underlaid by sand. Poland is one of our best agricultural towns, all the usual crops having a good yield.

    The town, however, is most noted for its mineral springs. There are the Poland and South Poland and the Highland springs, the two latter just coming into notice. All are situated at an elevation which affords fine views of the surrounding country, and are recommended for some diseases of the kidneys and associate derangements. The Poland spring, known in the region as Ricker’s, is owned by Hiram Ricker and sons, in whose family the property has been since 1794. Wentworth Ricker opened the Mansion House in 1797 and it has been kept as a hotel by his son and then by his grandsons ever since. Little attention was given to the spring until about 1858; when the valuable qualities of the water becoming generally known, the hotel (whose business had fallen off with the change from stages to railroads) soon had to be enlarged. So popular have the waters of this spring become, that a few years ago it was found advisable to build another and larger house for the accommodation of the patrons who flocked thither in the summer months. The new house bears the name of the Poland Springs House, and contains 120 sleeping rooms, and has 450 feet of broad piazza. The situation on the top of a high, extended hill, or ridge, 800 feet above the ocean, with ponds, forests amid other hills on every side, is one of rare attraction. The spring runs about eight gallons a minute from a crevice in the solid granite ledge. Besides Ricker’s Hill may be mentioned Pigeon, Harris, Johnson’s, Megquier, White Oak, Bailey, Thurlow and Black Cat hills, all considerable eminences. The two neighboring Shaker villages, called the Upper Shaker Village, in the town about one half mile south, and another called the Lower Village in New Gloucester, about a mile south of the last, are objects of interest to visitors. The sect in this town originated in 1784 or 1785 by the preaching of an itinerant disciple of Ann Lee, from Lebanon, New York. There were at this time quite a number of settlers on Ricker Hill, and most of them became converted. They were joined by others from Hebron; but exchanged their lands, and settled together in New Gloucester, forming what is now called the Lower Family, and holding their property in common. The Upper Family, orthe present Poland community, came from Gorham, Maine, in 1819. They then numbered about 50, but now less than 40. They brought with them eight oxen, three horses and twenty cows, with a variety of house. hold goods and farming utensils. They have since further increased their lands by purchase. They have now in addition to the dwelling. houses they have occupied for a half century, a new stone-house three or more stories in height. It contains one or two large central halls, together with a large number of lodging arid living rooms. It was begun before the war, and when finished will have cost about $20,000. Beside this, they have land and other property to the value of about $30,000.

    The earliest settlers were Nathaniel Bailey, Daniel Lane, Moses Emery, and John Newman, who settled at what has long been known as “The Empire” in 1768—1769. The Pulsifer family is a leading one of the town, having located here in the person of their ancestor, David Pulsifer, in 1790. The family has furnished several esteemed public men. John Nevins, who claimed to have cut the first tree felled in Poland, died in 1832, being above 100 years of age; other names are Josiah Dunn, “Captain” Davis, John Rollins, “Captain” Farrington, Henry Bray, Benjamin Coombs and Mrs. Woodard. The land titles are from the proprietors of Bakerton (see Auburn). The town is thought to have been named for Poland, a noted Indian chief of the region. It was incorporated in 1795. A portion was set off to Danville in 1852.

    The total amount paid out by the town for its expenses in the war of the Rebellion is $45,230, and the total number of men for which it received credit, 304.

    The religious societies of the town are the Congregationalists, Universalists, Free Baptists, and Adventists. Poland has twenty-two public schoolhouses, valued at $16,775. The valuation of estates in 1870 was $765,960. The population at the same date was 2,436. In 1880, it was 2,443. The valuation in 1880 was $920,057.
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    History of Waterford, Maine
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    A Gazetteer of the
    State of Maine

    By Geo. J. Varney
    Published by B. B. Russell, 57 Cornhill,
    Boston 1886







    Waterford lies in the southern part of the broad middle section of Oxford County. The township is almost square, with angles marking nearly the points of the compass. Norway bounds it on the north-east, Albany and Stonham on the north-west, Sweden and Lovell on the south-west, and Harrison and Bridgton in Cumberland County, on the south-east. Crooked River enters the town on the north-west side and leaves it at the south-eastern angle in its course completely exemplifying its name. Extending across the southern portion of the town is a range of ponds, bearing the names of Long, Thomas, Bear and Moose. At the western angle, lies Kezar Pond, Island Pond, lies near the southern angle, Pappoose Pond near Crooked River in the north-eastern part, Bog Pond a little south-east of Thomas Pond, Chapin Pond at the north of Kezar, and Duck Pond on the south-western side of the town. These vary in size from 484 to 50 acres, in the order in which they are mentioned. In the southern part of the town is a range of three considerable eminences, of which the highest have the names of Bear and Hawk mountains. In the western part of the town Beek Hill stands solitary and beautiful. On the outlet of Bear Pond, and near Hawk Mountain, are a saw mill, grist mill, a clothes pin factory, and a hotel. Waterford post-office and the town-house are at “ Waterford Flat,” on the western side of Thomas Pond. South Waterford post-office (“Waterford City,”) is on the stream connecting Thomas and Bear ponds. East Waterford post-office (“Rice’s Junction"), is between Crooked River and Long Pond, on the outlet of the latter. North Waterford is situated on Crooked River near the north-western side of the town.

    At Waterford Flat are a tannery and Shattuck’s Hygienic Institution; at North Waterford are a lumber mill, a sash mill, a grist mill and a tannery; at South Waterford are a lumber and grist mill, a stave-mill, a salt box, dry bucket and carriage factories.

    The surface of the town is uneven and has much beautiful scenery, especially about the southern ponds. The roads are excellent, and nowhere are more enjoyable drives to he found than in this town. It is 13 miles from the Grand Trunk Railroad station at South Paris, on a stage-line from that place to Fryeburg.

    Waterford was surveyed in 1774. The first settler was David McWayne, who took up his residence here alone in 1775. So fond was he of utter solitude that he appeared very much annoyed when, three years later, a clearing was commenced on what is now known as Paris Hill, 12 or 15 miles away; Eleazer Hamlin, father of Dr. Cyrus, and grand-father of Hom. Hannibal Hamlin was an early settler, as were also his three brothers. Five or six Brown brothers, and the four families of Jewett, Saunders, Chaplin and Greene also came early. Prof. William W. Greene, M.D., distinguished as a surgeon, was a native of Waterford. The titles to the lands were principally from Jonathan Houghton, Henry Gardiner, David Sampson, Jonathan Whitcomb, chief proprietors.

    The town was incorporated March 2, 1797. An Orthodox minister was settled in 1799, and a militia company formed in the same year. At present there are two Congregational churches and one Methodist church in the town. The number of public schoolhouses is fourteen; and the school-property is valued at $7,O00. The population in 1870 was 1,286; polls, 333. In 1880 it was 1,161, with 349 polls. The valuation in 1870 was $403,651. In 1880 it was $338,987
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    History of Sebago, Maine
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    A Gazetteer of the
    State of Maine

    By Geo. J. Varney
    Published by B. B. Russell, 57 Cornhill,
    Boston 1886







    Sebago is situated on the north-western shore of Lake Sebago and in the western part of Cumberland County. Bridgton and and Naples lie on the north-east, Baldwin lies on the south, and Denmark and Hiram, in Oxtbrd County, lie on the west. The early history of Sebago is blended with that of Baldwin; the territory having been granted with the latter by Massachusetts, in 1774, to Whittemore, Lawrence, and their associates,-the survivors of John Fitch and Company. In 1826 this territory was divided,-the northern part being incorporated under the name of Sebago. About 1000 acres from Denmark was annexed in 1830; and 400 acres have since been added from Baldwin; but in forming Naples, in 1834, 4,700 acres were taken from Sehago. The surface of the town is very uneven, and generally rocky. It was a severe task to clear up a farm in this rough region; but the soil was strong and repaid the industrious with abundant crops. The building and maintaining of roads among the rocky hills amid the construction of bridges over its rapid streams has always been a severe tax upon the inhabitants; but the work has been well performed. The highest eminences in Sebago are Saddleback Mountain, on the southern border, Peaked Mountain, in the eastern part, and Tiger mountain in the north-eastern. Brown's and Perley ponds,-the largest three-fourths of a mile in length-lie within town limits. On its borders are Sebago Lake, Peabody, Great Hancock, Hancock, and South-East ponds. The principal streams are North-West River, Mill Brook and Sandy Beach Brook. The chief settlement is on Mill Brook, near the centre of the town,-constituting Sebago village. The principal manufactures are long and short lumber, shooks and boots and shoes.

    The town has Congregatiunalist, Baptist, Gen. Baptist, and Union churches. Sebago has nine public schoolhouses, valued at $1,600. The estates in 1870 were valued at $175,550. In 1880 they were valued at $183,095. The population at the same date was 803. The census of 1880 increases it to 808.
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 15, 2010, 09:30:41 AM
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 15, 2010, 09:32:47 AM
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    Mark Babitz I guess the top two post are the beginning and the end of Parsons field on paper,Randall was the name of one of the original settlers, the town was named after Thomas Parson in 1785 or so. Randall's Mountain Lodge , Kings Lodge in Poland springs, Joe had a thing for the old lodges and it was not the beauty .In the 70s Parsons field was still a Saw Mill and some old Seminaries a hand full of stores.York County was very quiet,like Poland Springs, You could scream all night and no on would hear you.Maybe thats why Joe did it to look out for our privacy.Waterford seemed a little to close to other resident in the area and thats why it was such a public hot spot for kids and running away, Parsons field cleared allot of that up .I dont really remember the place I went there once with Mike Hohman to pick stuff up.I did recall the buildings once I saw them and I do understand why when I see farms that style I feel like I have been there.I ran from One and one to me is Poland Springs main house, You guys confuse me with all the numbers,And those woods were dark and deeep, so to yell or have GMs in the middle of the night of give haircut and blast outside , you were in no danger of bothering the neighbors .He had it all figured out.He was only 24 or 25 I think when he talk Davidson into the hustle I think.To think parents and worse state agencies that have the resources to check stuff out,just went on and did it anyway, WOW!!!!!!.Elan just enhanced some problems I had in life,and still have some. So I dont blame them for my troubles, I do know they didnt try and help them and it seems like others had the same time. so I dont think I am crazy now, Just wondering why it still goes on and in so many places, Straights and all the others.Some body has to have the answer out there,and its not just their money, Kenndys go to prison and many others, Its just finding the right straw and it all comes down.As far as telling of my time in Parsons filed,well you had to be there and still walked away with questions on what just happed ??? It was 75 and wide open Matt and Danny know the days.Thank God were here to talk about it.like a fright train it only happens once and you never forget it.
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 15, 2010, 09:33:30 AM
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    Mark Babitz Thats Elan in 1912 in Parsonsfied, It still stands and is being renovated, it was called Maple Crest Sani
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    Mark Babitz Elan one in 1943 above
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    Mark Babitz Parsonsfileds address is 424 Maplecrest Parsonsfield Maine.04047. I got that right from the town office
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on March 15, 2010, 09:35:11 AM
    mark babitz rules!  :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 15, 2010, 09:45:07 AM
    Quote from: "harry cox"
    I like your work.  Create a thread called the "Talk shit troll thread" in the open free for all.  That would be funny as hell.   I am counting on you babitz.
    -- I THINK OUR FRIEND IS BACK.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 15, 2010, 09:46:56 AM
    :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls: --This was sent to me email on this site, I would not open any of the kinks below they could have viruses in them, I think they are from [ He whom we dont speak of ] I dont understand who would send a crazy request like that.Trools get hit crossing the street here,so there really is no need to lock them in a room, They are much more fun to shoot openly and randomly as they troll threw.the best part of troll hunting is the chase,they arent very fast and dont think on their feet,often repeat them-selfs and attack the same person.Trolls tend to be followers,so leading them isnt nessesary. They crave attention of any kind good or bad.So they come at any call.If have misunderstood this E-Mail i am sorry, But troll hunting comes natural, one doesnt have to recruit it, Its like shooting a deer in a penn. how much fun is that ??. The run is the best and the element of surprise to the troll makes it great. :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :peace:  ::unhappy::  :rasta:
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    Main Entry: 1troll
    Pronunciation: ?tr?l
    Function: verb
    Etymology: Middle English, probably from Anglo-French *troiller, *troller; akin to Anglo-French troil, trolle winch
    Date: 15th century

    transitive verb
    1 : to cause to move round and round : roll
    2 a : to sing the parts of (as a round or catch) in succession b : to sing loudly c : to celebrate in song
    3 a : to fish for by trolling b : to fish by trolling in <troll lakes> c : to pull through the water in trolling <troll a lure> d : to search in or at <trolls flea markets for bargains>; also : prowl <troll nightclubs>intransitive verb 1 : to move around : ramble
    2 a : to fish by trailing a lure or baited hook from a moving boat b : search, look <trolling for sponsors>; also : prowl
    3 : to sing or play in a jovial manner
    4 : to speak rapidly

    — troll·er noun

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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 15, 2010, 09:50:20 AM
    I wouldn't open any of the links in above post they could be loaded with viruses, :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :rasta:  ::deadhorse::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 15, 2010, 11:01:11 AM
    "When Phil died in the ring"  

    Ive stood by and watched the bullshit and constant lies for quite some time, but this one tops them all.
    Phil didnt die in the ring, Phil died from an anurism which he was born with. A ticking time bomb. Coincidentally he was in the ring for a short time prior to his death. He was not placed in the ring against his will.
    The state of Maine medical examiner performed an autopsy which confirmed the cause of death and the death certificate stated ANURISM. Nothing to do with physical abuse, a physical confrontation or otherwise.

    This site is a farce. a few reasons why:
    Posting anonomously
    No regard for the truth
    BIASED board owners/mods
    The simple fact that its exsistance is of a negative motivation. And more

    There are some really fucked up people here, but then again, theres some people who want others to simply THINK they are fucked up.

    What a joke this place is. A stressful, negative unpleasant place to fabricate stories, say the most outrageous things you can think of, and piss and moan about a place you DESERVED to be for being the people you were, and in most cases, still ARE.

    P. S.
    Open ANY year book from ANY school, public or private, and the same "death, suicide, incarcerated..." stats will apply.
    Elan isnt the source of the problems we all face after leaving, SOCIETY IS! deal with it.

    If you feel bad about being in an allegedly abusive environment, GET HELP!, there are many many resources for help...THIS FUCKING FARCE WEBSITE (developed by a former, self proclaimed "abused person") IS NOT ADEQUATE FOR PROVIDING THE HELP YOU MIGHT NEED...nor is anyone here qualified to offer help.

    P.S.S. Ginger, with your infinite wisdom and
    knowledge, shouldnt this be an OBVIOUS OBSERVATION?
    Guest
     
    This a repost not my views or knowledge
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 15, 2010, 01:48:09 PM
    http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=Ta ... aine&hl=en (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=TaAgAAAAIBAJ&sjid=r2gFAAAAIBAJ&pg=1179,1132320&dq=doug+brakey+lisbon+maine&hl=en)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 15, 2010, 01:49:29 PM
    http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=wX ... aine&hl=en (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=wXkgAAAAIBAJ&sjid=pGcFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2053,3670213&dq=doug+brakey+lisbon+maine&hl=en) :rocker:  :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 15, 2010, 02:48:27 PM
    Quote from: "mark babitz"
    "When Phil died in the ring"  

    Ive stood by and watched the bullshit and constant lies for quite some time, but this one tops them all.
    Phil didnt die in the ring, Phil died from an anurism which he was born with. A ticking time bomb. Coincidentally he was in the ring for a short time prior to his death. He was not placed in the ring against his will.
    The state of Maine medical examiner performed an autopsy which confirmed the cause of death and the death certificate stated ANURISM. Nothing to do with physical abuse, a physical confrontation or otherwise.

    This site is a farce. a few reasons why:
    Posting anonomously
    No regard for the truth
    BIASED board owners/mods
    The simple fact that its exsistance is of a negative motivation. And more

    There are some really fucked up people here, but then again, theres some people who want others to simply THINK they are fucked up.

    What a joke this place is. A stressful, negative unpleasant place to fabricate stories, say the most outrageous things you can think of, and piss and moan about a place you DESERVED to be for being the people you were, and in most cases, still ARE.

    P. S.
    Open ANY year book from ANY school, public or private, and the same "death, suicide, incarcerated..." stats will apply.
    Elan isnt the source of the problems we all face after leaving, SOCIETY IS! deal with it.

    If you feel bad about being in an allegedly abusive environment, GET HELP!, there are many many resources for help...THIS FUCKING FARCE WEBSITE (developed by a former, self proclaimed "abused person") IS NOT ADEQUATE FOR PROVIDING THE HELP YOU MIGHT NEED...nor is anyone here qualified to offer help.

    P.S.S. Ginger, with your infinite wisdom and
    knowledge, shouldnt this be an OBVIOUS OBSERVATION?
    Guest
     
    This a repost not my views or knowledge
    :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Mark who posted this???? This is very interesting, how long ago was this post. Nice to see all sides though. Interesting.......
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 15, 2010, 03:28:29 PM
    I dont remember were on this site, but it was posted in 03,The poster was I think guest :cheers:  :cheers:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 15, 2010, 03:37:47 PM
    :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: The ring
    by mark babitz » less than a minute ago

    Becca wrote:
    I have heard the ring was different back when Elan was newer, but when I was there it was very only for very extreme cases. A student would generally get more warnings than could be counted. They would have to have shown extreme physical violence and not responded at all to the warnings.
    The ring was litterally a boxing ring. Students would be fully padded in the same height/weight class and have to follow boxing guidelines.
    Unless the student receiving the ring refused to commit to stop their violent behavior the ring would never last more than 3 minutes. Mine lasted 28 seconds.
    I hope this clears it up for you.
    Becca :beat:  :beat:  ::unhappy::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 15, 2010, 03:43:47 PM
    Hey Mark,
    You should also post Antigens responses to those posts they are good. The conversation between Becca and Antigen was a classic case of a traumatized resident just out of bootcamp talking with another that has been out of a while passing on the reality of what transpired. I thought it was a educational experience for the reader also.
    Danny
     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 16, 2010, 10:45:40 AM
    :cheers:  :cheers:

    Mark Babitz http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=2A ... aine&hl=en (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=2A8gAAAAIBAJ&sjid=imUFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2270,2577371&dq=elan+auburn+maine&hl=en) scroll to top
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on March 16, 2010, 11:04:00 AM
    Mark ,

    Your troll posting was over the top. I laughed so hard that my eyes started to water.

    Made me think about fishing ,and you know how you get  a little fish and you have to gently remove the hook and then you realease them carefully back into the water and hope you don't get another one.

    You know how hard those little fish wiggle (trolls) when they are caught , and if you're like me you are actually talking to them as you try to free the hook. and they are just flapping around all over the place.

     Hey now little buddy.
    easy there little fella
    Okay I've almost got it
    Hold still okay
    there you go little fellow  be free.

    Mark it made me laugh so hard , thank you.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 16, 2010, 12:53:25 PM
    :rocker:  :rocker:  :jamin: The truth can sometimes be very funny, I couldnt help myself Matt I needed to describe the proper way of troll trapping,Always remember your dealing with someone weaker and less savoy to the true survival techniques in life. They dont move fast or efficient , kind of like a sloth or slug , they generally posses less than average intelligence and are very needy,they will warm up to you like a Dutch Uncle, while fleecing your belongings mentally and otherwise. They are generally not very nice and hide allot, they are somewhat computer nocturnal, they avoid being spotted if possible.They have the drive of insanity,always repeating them selfs and their actions.Trolls are easily guiled like a bird to glass,they tend not to look both ways when running out into lifes situations,They find work as carrier pigeons , and gofers of messages.How to feed a troll, one must carefully and patiently,look directly at the troll and mirror their likeness and actions,not tipping them off that they are being mocked, once getting the trolls blind needy trust, you suck them in and have your way with them,then spitting them out like a bad taste in your mouth. Never worry about offending them they will always come back. they have unconditional love for the abuse they endure.The Col Flag or Frank Burns from M.A.S.H. syndrome ,more danger to them selfs than anyone else, They are the ones that would rob a bank and ask for all the small bills and coins.Trolls tend not get on phones,because of their lack of being able to think on their feet.If able to corner a troll ask them to tell a short story and then have them try to repeat it backwards,But dont let them know your doing it.The hours and days of fun you will cause for yourself is all worth the hunt.You will hear every story but the original,while enjoying the feeding with your new troll . They are very fun I like to always have one following me, it is also a great venting source as some of you have proven recently here on the site.No way could any of you justify those feeling unless directed at a troll, So thank God for trolls,they keep the normal balanced and upright. Just think of how many of our families are spared our rath on a bad day thanks to a troll.They take all the hatred out of you, I sponsor feeding and preservation of the trolls, They can be of more use than they are really out their for,They are like boomerangs, they always come back with no real reason but physics,So please embrace, and preserve the trolls of our internet, you might need one to yell at or play with one and they wont be their, At one time they were people too ,remember that. I just say the people thing to be Christian about it,lol   :cheers:  Long live the Trolls :cheers:  :rasta:  :peace:  ::unhappy::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Ursus on March 16, 2010, 01:06:57 PM
    :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  
    PRICELESS!!!!
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 16, 2010, 01:57:10 PM
    So let us all understand something here Matt, Mark and Ursus. Mark was the troll and flooder maybe a couple of months ago. Got banned from the Fornits FaceBook site and Matt and Ursus applauded this action. Matt so much as told me that Mark was off his rocker, yeah he talked to him on the phone but did not trust him. Now your his bosom buddy this is exactly why I jumped on your phony ass Matt.
    Yeah Mark enjoy your ride because these folks are as committed to you as they are to a virus. Problem that I didn't realize is they are the virus.
    Long story short this is why others and myself find folks like Matt and Ursus gutless and immoral. You use people for you purposes one of which is shallow as hell, "popularity" also to further your agenda of discrediting others that talk negatively about you. My two dudess I stand all by myself in my claims against you. Now and before. I am so happy that you have picked up another one.
    This band wagon is getting full. I think it is time to take your act on the road.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anne Bonney on March 16, 2010, 02:04:19 PM
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    So let us all understand something here Matt, Mark and Ursus. Mark was the troll and flooder maybe a couple of months ago. Got banned from the Fornits FaceBook site and Matt and Ursus applauded this action. Matt so much as told me that Mark was off his rocker, yeah he talked to him on the phone but did not trust him. Now your his bosom buddy this is exactly why I jumped on your phony ass Matt.

    Your assumption moron.  Doesn't look like they're 'bosom buddies' to me.  More like Ursus and Matt simply appreciate a decent troll.  


    Quote
    Yeah Mark enjoy your ride because these folks are as committed to you as they are to a virus.

    If you're looking to a message board for commitment, you may have more serious problems that need attention.

    Quote
    Long story short this is why others and myself find folks like Matt and Ursus gutless and immoral.

    Stop listening to the voices in your head.  No one else finds Matt or Ursus gutless or immoral.


    Quote
    My two dudess I stand all by myself in my claims against you.

    Yes, you do.  Which completely contradicts what you just posted.


    Quote
     I think it is time to take your act on the road.

    Apply it to yourself!!!  (pointing at forehead.....possibly only Straight peeps will get that one) :rofl:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: psy on March 16, 2010, 02:13:35 PM
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    So let us all understand something here Matt, Mark and Ursus. Mark was the troll and flooder maybe a couple of months ago.
    no
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 16, 2010, 02:29:20 PM
    Quote from: "psy"
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    So let us all understand something here Matt, Mark and Ursus. Mark was the troll and flooder maybe a couple of months ago.
    no
    :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    You wish, but since you hide in your private messages when you want to be truthful about someone who would know. Right Psy....Except when you want to be truthful about me with one of your buddies.
     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Anyways lets take a look at Mark in action against Ursus......2 months ago.

    Re: New Forum Policies

    Postby garystadler » 17 Jan 2010, 09:09
    You Need to know About Depression Medication
    Ursus is the most annoying poster on this forum. Is ursus a undercover troll or just retarded? Protip: Post links instead copypasta! you are making pages impossible to navigate. on purpose?? hmmmmm I like the way Ursus posts things! So, FUCK OFF! Get yourself a computer upgrade and try a 20" w... :soapbox: Nice way of expressing herself. ::unhappy::
     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Thank You nuff' said!!!!!!!!!
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anne Bonney on March 16, 2010, 02:30:49 PM
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Quote from: "psy"
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    So let us all understand something here Matt, Mark and Ursus. Mark was the troll and flooder maybe a couple of months ago.
    no
    :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    You wish, but since you hide in your private messages when you want to be truthful about someone who would know. Right Psy....Except when you want to be truthful about me with one of your buddies.
     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Anyways lets take a look at Mark in action against Ursus......

    Re: New Forum Policies

    Postby garystadler » 17 Jan 2010, 09:09
    You Need to know About Depression Medication
    Ursus is the most annoying poster on this forum. Is ursus a undercover troll or just retarded? Protip: Post links instead copypasta! you are making pages impossible to navigate. on purpose?? hmmmmm I like the way Ursus posts things! So, FUCK OFF! Get yourself a computer upgrade and try a 20" w... :soapbox: Nice way of expressing herself. ::unhappy::
     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Thank You nuff' said!!!!!!!!!


    Wow.  I really have no idea what you just said.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Ursus on March 16, 2010, 03:14:25 PM
    LOLOLOLLLLLLL! That wasn't Gary Stadler. That was garystadler quoting part of a post Eliscu2 made, and Eliscu had in turn quoted Guest.

    Going back in time:


    Here, for y'all to see, is the original post (December 5, 2009), with link:

    Quote from: "Guest"
    Ursus is the most annoying poster on this forum. Is ursus a undercover troll or just retarded?

    Protip: Post links instead copypasta! you are making pages impossible to navigate. on purpose?? hmmmmm

    http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 46#p352966 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=29446#p352966)

    Nice try, Danny Duck, but noooooo cigar!  :D
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 16, 2010, 03:18:05 PM
    My point is taken Ursus, that is what Gary/Mark had to say about you pal.
    Hit it on the head too.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 16, 2010, 03:27:51 PM
    Just in case you forgot your wonderful relationship with Mark/Gary, "Ursus"
     :shamrock:  :shamrock:

    Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies

    Postby mark babitz » 17 Jan 2010, 20:27

        Ursus wrote:

            mark babitz wrote:this forum was split to keep Felice away and stop her from crying


        Source for your assertion?

        From the Fornits' FAQ:

              Terms of use
              This forum is offered to absolutely anyone with any kind of interest in the troubled parent inustry, cults, thought reform or any tangentally related topic. It is a resource to facilitate open, unmediated discussion relating to the topics designated by individual forum moderators and to promote coordination and networking efforts relating to them...

    Mark Babitz
    ::OMG:: What exactly are you trying to say, spit it out I dont need directions you do.and some reading lessons. Nothing was said until Felice started up and I am sure she will wonder over here why who knows.My post and Gary's were all Elan directed, go back and read, and then she came along with Elan people dont have time for this.go back and read.I still gather and post I have my direction and will run over anything that gets in the way. So WHY would anyone find need to bother me or try and insult what I am doing,I once again ask drop the Felice crusade and get on to Elan but you guys wont and thats what makes the game fun. ::unhappy:: ::unhappy::
     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anne Bonney on March 16, 2010, 03:38:00 PM
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    My point is taken Ursus, that is what Gary/Mark had to say about you pal.
    Hit it on the head too.
    Danny

    Ummmmm, how 'bout NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anne Bonney on March 16, 2010, 03:38:41 PM
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Just in case you forgot your wonderful relationship with Mark/Gary, "Ursus"
     :shamrock:  :shamrock:

    Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies

    Postby mark babitz » 17 Jan 2010, 20:27

        Ursus wrote:

            mark babitz wrote:this forum was split to keep Felice away and stop her from crying


        Source for your assertion?

        From the Fornits' FAQ:

              Terms of use
              This forum is offered to absolutely anyone with any kind of interest in the troubled parent inustry, cults, thought reform or any tangentally related topic. It is a resource to facilitate open, unmediated discussion relating to the topics designated by individual forum moderators and to promote coordination and networking efforts relating to them...

    Mark Babitz
    ::OMG:: What exactly are you trying to say, spit it out I dont need directions you do.and some reading lessons. Nothing was said until Felice started up and I am sure she will wonder over here why who knows.My post and Gary's were all Elan directed, go back and read, and then she came along with Elan people dont have time for this.go back and read.I still gather and post I have my direction and will run over anything that gets in the way. So WHY would anyone find need to bother me or try and insult what I am doing,I once again ask drop the Felice crusade and get on to Elan but you guys wont and thats what makes the game fun. ::unhappy:: ::unhappy::
     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Danny


    QUOTE FEATURE DAMNIT!!!!!!!!!
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Ursus on March 16, 2010, 03:39:18 PM
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    So let us all understand something here Matt, Mark and Ursus. Mark was the troll and flooder maybe a couple of months ago. Got banned from the Fornits FaceBook site and Matt and Ursus applauded this action. Matt so much as told me that Mark was off his rocker, yeah he talked to him on the phone but did not trust him. Now your his bosom buddy this is exactly why I jumped on your phony ass Matt.
    Yeah Mark enjoy your ride because these folks are as committed to you as they are to a virus. Problem that I didn't realize is they are the virus.
    Long story short this is why others and myself find folks like Matt and Ursus gutless and immoral. You use people for you purposes one of which is shallow as hell, "popularity" also to further your agenda of discrediting others that talk negatively about you. My two dudess I stand all by myself in my claims against you. Now and before. I am so happy that you have picked up another one.
    This band wagon is getting full. I think it is time to take your act on the road.
    Danny
    Personally, I would call trying to hang blame on garystadler for trolling me ... without even doing a friggin' search of the forum to find out where the quote originally came from ... to be pretty "gutless and immoral."

    Do you routinely accuse people of things before making sure of their guilt?

    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    My point is taken Ursus, that is what Gary/Mark had to say about you pal.
    Hit it on the head too.
    Danny
    His comment was on Eliscu2's response to my troll, specifically, he said, "Nice way of expressing herself," in response to her telling my troll to "FUCK OFF!" Kindly read more carefully.

    Personally, I see this whole exchange as a supreme compliment. My faith in humanity has not only been restored, it has been elevated to heights heretofore unknown!

    My working premise that involvement with cults stultifies critical thinking skills has also been confirmed. Oh blessed day!

      :cheers:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anne Bonney on March 16, 2010, 03:40:27 PM
    Quote from: "Ursus"

    My working premise that involvement with cults stultifies critical thinking skills has also been confirmed. Oh blessed day!

      :cheers:


     :cheers:  :tup:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 16, 2010, 03:45:45 PM
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    So let us all understand something here Matt, Mark and Ursus. Mark was the troll and flooder maybe a couple of months ago. Got banned from the Fornits FaceBook site and Matt and Ursus applauded this action. Matt so much as told me that Mark was off his rocker, yeah he talked to him on the phone but did not trust him. Now your his bosom buddy this is exactly why I jumped on your phony ass Matt.
    Yeah Mark enjoy your ride because these folks are as committed to you as they are to a virus. Problem that I didn't realize is they are the virus.
    Long story short this is why others and myself find folks like Matt and Ursus gutless and immoral. You use people for you purposes one of which is shallow as hell, "popularity" also to further your agenda of discrediting others that talk negatively about you. My two dudess I stand all by myself in my claims against you. Now and before. I am so happy that you have picked up another one.
    This band wagon is getting full. I think it is time to take your act on the road.
    Danny
    Personally, I would call trying to hang blame on garystadler for trolling me ... without even doing a friggin' search of the forum to find out where the quote originally came from ... to be pretty "gutless and immoral."

    Do you routinely accuse people of things before making sure of their guilt?

    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    My point is taken Ursus, that is what Gary/Mark had to say about you pal.
    Hit it on the head too.
    Danny
    His comment was on Eliscu2's response to my troll, specifically, he said, "Nice way of expressing herself," in response to her telling my troll to "FUCK OFF!" Kindly read more carefully.

    Personally, I see this whole exchange as a supreme compliment. My faith in humanity has been not only restored, but it has been elevated to heights heretofore unknown!

    My working premise that involvement with cults stultifies critical thinking skills has also been confirmed. Oh blessed day!

      :cheers:
    :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    No he wasn't he was specifically talking to you my friend however you want to spin this. You gutless fool.....Your "troll" is him to dumbass you were being played.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 16, 2010, 03:47:33 PM
    Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Just in case you forgot your wonderful relationship with Mark/Gary, "Ursus"
     :shamrock:  :shamrock:

    Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies

    Postby mark babitz » 17 Jan 2010, 20:27

        Ursus wrote:

            mark babitz wrote:this forum was split to keep Felice away and stop her from crying


        Source for your assertion?

        From the Fornits' FAQ:

              Terms of use
              This forum is offered to absolutely anyone with any kind of interest in the troubled parent inustry, cults, thought reform or any tangentally related topic. It is a resource to facilitate open, unmediated discussion relating to the topics designated by individual forum moderators and to promote coordination and networking efforts relating to them...

    Mark Babitz
    ::OMG:: What exactly are you trying to say, spit it out I dont need directions you do.and some reading lessons. Nothing was said until Felice started up and I am sure she will wonder over here why who knows.My post and Gary's were all Elan directed, go back and read, and then she came along with Elan people dont have time for this.go back and read.I still gather and post I have my direction and will run over anything that gets in the way. So WHY would anyone find need to bother me or try and insult what I am doing,I once again ask drop the Felice crusade and get on to Elan but you guys wont and thats what makes the game fun. ::unhappy:: ::unhappy::
     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Danny


    QUOTE FEATURE DAMNIT!!!!!!!!!
    :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    No Thank You....
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anne Bonney on March 16, 2010, 03:49:17 PM
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
    QUOTE FEATURE DAMNIT!!!!!!!!!
    :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    No Thank You....
    Danny

    So you want your posts to be unreadable?
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Banny Dennison on March 16, 2010, 03:51:45 PM
    Somebody from the Facebook thing sent me a picture of a person purported to be Bennison.  Would it be against any of the forum rules or policies for me to post it here?
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: SEKTO on March 16, 2010, 04:21:09 PM
    edited
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 16, 2010, 04:30:27 PM
    Quote from: "Banny Dennison"
    Somebody from the Facebook thing sent me a picture of a person purported to be Bennison.  Would it be against any of the forum rules or policies for me to post it here?
    :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Hell no I give you permission to post any picture of me or purported to be me anytime your heart desires. Lets start a collage of me and not me. Shit this is just getting better and better all the time.
    Danny
    P.S. Glad to see you back Mark!!!!!!
    Title: Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
    Post by: Joel on March 16, 2010, 04:41:21 PM
    Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Ursus on March 16, 2010, 04:52:02 PM
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Quote from: "Banny Dennison"
    Somebody from the Facebook thing sent me a picture of a person purported to be Bennison.  Would it be against any of the forum rules or policies for me to post it here?
    :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Hell no I give you permission to post any picture of me or purported to be me anytime your heart desires. Lets start a collage of me and not me. Shit this is just getting better and better all the time.
    Danny
    P.S. Glad to see you back Mark!!!!!!
    Let me make sure I understand this correctly. Are you saying it IS okay to post your likeness on this forum?
    Title: Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
    Post by: Joel on March 16, 2010, 05:01:32 PM
    Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on March 16, 2010, 05:07:55 PM
    The x assistant director methinks  does not know that people can change their opinions about people.

    The x assistant director thinks that this is elan and doesn't realize that I left that hellhole a long time ago.

     Regardless of the fact that it has taken over 25 years to learn to put that hell hole in its proper perspective , and not think about suicide when ever I use to talk about it. elan really tried to make me insane , thank God for the guitar.

    The x assistant director seems to need to be reminded that this is not elan and this is not how polite people go about their business, by verbally assaulting any and everyone in their sight because they don't see how the x assistant director wants them to see.

    Ha- Ha - Ha the x assistant director made a funny  by stating that I am phony.

    The x assistant director needs to realize that I am as real as the lies and general garbage that comes out of his big mouth.

    Thank God the x assistant director has a real live filter standing by in the wings ( girlfriend/boy friend ) because its, filter doesn't work. It is a shame that the stand in filter for it, doen't really function all that well either.

    birds of a feather.  

    Sorry  everyone I am posting late ,I actually have work and had to go do it.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 16, 2010, 05:39:30 PM
    Matty be careful I visit your hometowne with about 250 other AA men for a conference every May look it up. I should be seeing you in May. We just may corral you and before you know it you be brainwashed. Oh and If I forgot to tell you that I come to your hometown ( like I forgot to tell you about being a Ex-Ass. Dir.) sorry I was going to surprise you.
    Now I know you don't want to start talking about the mother of your children do you Matt, please leave mine out of this conversation. I mentioned it for reference, she went on to post to Ursus. Not you.
    Matt whenever you want to crawl out of your whoa is me, the Ex Ass Dir is picking on me routine that would be nice. Your 51 now grow up. Remember you said that you worked thru this, well act like it.
    This is Danny now has been since 1978....So nice try so many others were there before you pulling this shit, read it Matt. What are you 15 again. If that is the case then please be serious for the sake of others. Matt you can't spin this on me buddy sorry take your latent anger out on your counselors. I gave you every opportunity to get honest and you never did. Why because Matty did not want to look like he was siding with a Ass.Director in front of all his Elan resident buddies. Boy that would look horrible....Go back Matt to a phone call I had with you asking you why Mark was posting on facebook that I was a driver flunky for Joe. He knew I was a Ass. Director from my post on a site Sharon had. No this is the explanation you wanted to believe in order to hang out with me. Fine I could have accepted that if you had from the beginning just said I have a problem with associating with you because of.
    But you did not you chose a very disrespectful way trash me publically, remember you started this publically I spoke first in private, so don't go running around acting like your innocent.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on March 16, 2010, 06:55:57 PM
    Okay you  low life  male perineum licker , bennison  ,you have threatened me . I percieve it as a threat . you are going to come up here with 250 men and brain wash me .That is a threat

    Who the fuck do you really think you are .

    Well whore bait let me sell you a ticket come near me and I promise you I will call the POLICE you stupid nuckle draggin redneck.

    I promise you I will cash it , in fact I want everyone to witness this threat , copy and paste it to the RICHMOND police department  web site . I want them to be aware that you and your rogue AA freaks are coming to do me harm .

    You know my wife yes the mother of my children did not go to elan (THANK F>G>) And I don't have her looking over my shoulder at this site . You are a dumb ass redneck who is a liar and now you are threatening violence on my body . Idiot my brain is in my skull .

    I promise you I will cash that ticket you will spend your days in prison (as  you should anyway ) because of the fact that you are aiding and abetting a corporation that has been running a continueing criminal enterprise  for over 36 years.

    You stupid little cretin , don't you ever threaten.you wish you were a delivery driver , you are an x ASSISTANT DIRECTOR  who worked for the most abusive and criminally insane , hellhole in the country .you deserve to rot in prison with your c/s buddy kruglik

    This is NOT elan you stupid little slack jawed fag.  I hope you realize that you have publicly threatend me . You stupid little pile  of calf scour .

    No you lying asnus breathe , you did not tell me that you were an assistant director , you told me that you were a delivery  driver just like  Mike Fink doesn't run a pawn shop. Drink some jism you lying balless wonder.

    Go to hell and the next time you are slathering on large black man's johnson I hope you choke on it.

    come near me and I will call the police , you harm me you are harming my family , you stupid ....I promise you I will cash that ticket

    you think this is some game you think elan was funny  you
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Antigen on March 16, 2010, 07:19:21 PM
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Matty be careful I visit your hometowne with about 250 other AA men for a conference every May look it up. I should be seeing you in May. We just may corral you and before you know it you be brainwashed. Oh and If I forgot to tell you that I come to your hometown ( like I forgot to tell you about being a Ex-Ass. Dir.) sorry I was going to surprise you.
    Now I know you don't want to start talking about the mother of your children do you Matt, please leave mine out of this conversation. I mentioned it for reference, she went on to post to Ursus. Not you.
    Matt whenever you want to crawl out of your whoa is me, the Ex Ass Dir is picking on me routine that would be nice. Your 51 now grow up. Remember you said that you worked thru this, well act like it.
    This is Danny now has been since 1978....So nice try so many others were there before you pulling this shit, read it Matt. What are you 15 again. If that is the case then please be serious for the sake of others. Matt you can't spin this on me buddy sorry take your latent anger out on your counselors. I gave you every opportunity to get honest and you never did. Why because Matty did not want to look like he was siding with a Ass.Director in front of all his Elan resident buddies. Boy that would look horrible....Go back Matt to a phone call I had with you asking you why Mark was posting on facebook that I was a driver flunky for Joe. He knew I was a Ass. Director from my post on a site Sharon had. No this is the explanation you wanted to believe in order to hang out with me. Fine I could have accepted that if you had from the beginning just said I have a problem with associating with you because of.
    But you did not you chose a very disrespectful way trash me publically, remember you started this publically I spoke first in private, so don't go running around acting like your innocent.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 16, 2010, 07:22:15 PM
    Edited, reposted down below
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 16, 2010, 07:35:45 PM
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Quote from: "Matt C. Hoffman"
    Okay you  low life  male perineum licker , bennison  ,you have threatened me . I percieve it as a threat . you are going to come up here with 250 men and brain wash me .That is a threat

    Who the fuck do you really think you are .

    Well whore bait let me sell you a ticket come near me and I promise you I will call the POLICE you stupid nuckle draggin redneck.

    I promise you I will cash it , in fact I want everyone to witness this threat , copy and paste it to the RICHMOND police department  web site . I want them to be aware that you and your rogue AA freaks are coming to do me harm .

    You know my wife yes the mother of my children did not go to elan (THANK F>G>) And I don't have her looking over my shoulder at this site . You are a dumb ass redneck who is a liar and now you are threatening violence on my body . Idiot my brain is in my skull .

    I promise you I will cash that ticket you will spend your days in prison (as  you should anyway ) because of the fact that you are aiding and abetting a corporation that has been running a continueing criminal enterprise  for over 36 years.

    You stupid little cretin , don't you ever threaten.you wish you were a delivery driver , you are an x ASSISTANT DIRECTOR  who worked for the most abusive and criminally insane , hellhole in the country .you deserve to rot in prison with your c/s buddy kruglik

    This is NOT elan you stupid little slack jawed fag.  I hope you realize that you have publicly threatend me . You stupid little pile  of calf scour .

    No you lying asnus breathe , you did not tell me that you were an assistant director , you told me that you were a delivery  driver just like  Mike Fink doesn't run a pawn shop. Drink some jism you lying balless wonder.

    Go to hell and the next time you are slathering on large black man's johnson I hope you choke on it.

    come near me and I will call the police , you harm me you are harming my family , you stupid ....I promise you I will cash that ticket

    you think this is some game you think elan was funny  you
    :shamrock:  :shamrock:
     
    Matt that was not a threat look up on your internet AA has a conference in your hometown in May every year.If it is not available I'll make it available to prove my point. I was going to tell you this before we started fighting but I never got the chance. About 250 men will be there and Matt all of us could give a shit about you. Well I did mentioned that we could possibly get together in May if you want to concede that point. Of course this is when you still liked me. I was referring to this trip I take I just didn't mention AA was involved.
    Gosh you really are a pompous ass, Matt I could care one way or the other whether you like me or not but please accept my apologies if you felt threaten. Because I have enough to do with my life then go to Richmond to look up you. Not my cup of tea pal physical violence.
    I went back and read the post I can concede I guess that you could get that out of that sentence but please not going to happen. Your right I don't have time to spend in jail over this crap or anything else.
    No Matt I don't think Elan Is funny at all sometimes though I think you are a little different when your not getting your way.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on March 16, 2010, 07:47:27 PM
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Quote from: "Matt C. Hoffman"
    Okay you  low life  male perineum licker , bennison  ,you have threatened me . I percieve it as a threat . you are going to come up here with 250 men and brain wash me .That is a threat

    Who the fuck do you really think you are .

    Well whore bait let me sell you a ticket come near me and I promise you I will call the POLICE you stupid nuckle draggin redneck.

    I promise you I will cash it , in fact I want everyone to witness this threat , copy and paste it to the RICHMOND police department  web site . I want them to be aware that you and your rogue AA freaks are coming to do me harm .

    You know my wife yes the mother of my children did not go to elan (THANK F>G>) And I don't have her looking over my shoulder at this site . You are a dumb ass redneck who is a liar and now you are threatening violence on my body . Idiot my brain is in my skull .

    I promise you I will cash that ticket you will spend your days in prison (as  you should anyway ) because of the fact that you are aiding and abetting a corporation that has been running a continueing criminal enterprise  for over 36 years.

    You stupid little cretin , don't you ever threaten.you wish you were a delivery driver , you are an x ASSISTANT DIRECTOR  who worked for the most abusive and criminally insane , hellhole in the country .you deserve to rot in prison with your c/s buddy kruglik

    This is NOT elan you stupid little slack jawed fag.  I hope you realize that you have publicly threatend me . You stupid little pile  of calf scour .

    No you lying asnus breathe , you did not tell me that you were an assistant director , you told me that you were a delivery  driver just like  Mike Fink doesn't run a pawn shop. Drink some jism you lying balless wonder.

    Go to hell and the next time you are slathering on large black man's johnson I hope you choke on it.

    come near me and I will call the police , you harm me you are harming my family , you stupid ....I promise you I will cash that ticket

    you think this is some game you think elan was funny  you
    :shamrock:  :shamrock:
     
    Matt that was not a threat look up on your internet AA has a conference in your hometown in May every year.If it is not available I'll make it available to prove my point. I was going to tell you this before we started fighting but I never got the chance. About 250 men will be there and Matt all of us could give a shit about you. Well I did mentioned that we could possibly get together in May if you want to concede that point. Of course this is when you still liked me. I was referring to this trip I take I just didn't mention AA was involved.
    Gosh you really are a pompous ass, Matt I could care one way or the other whether you like me or not but please accept my apologies if you felt threaten. Because I have enough to do with my life then go to Richmond to look up you. Not my cup of tea pal physical violence.
    I went back and read the post I can concede I guess that you could get that out of that sentence but please not going to happen. Your right I don't have time to spend in jail over this crap or anything else.
    No Matt I don't think Elan Is funny at all sometimes though I think you are a little different when your not getting your way.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Antigen on March 17, 2010, 12:47:49 AM
    Danny, that was a threat. In literal terms, ya know to the eye of someone who hadn't lived things like a cowboy ass whoopin or tight house it probably doesn't look like a credible threat at all. Why, one might have a hard as hell time getting a cop or judge or even one's own well paid private attorney to really understand what was so upsetting about that. I mean, it's absurd, right? The sheer logistics involved, never mind the social engineering that would be required to get 250 Stepcraft devout to leave their seminar to go fuck with someone they don't even know.

    But let me tell ya something, brother! I read it again pretending that John Underwood or Wanda Minton or Miller Newton or Lybbi MacDonald had written it to me. Even though none of those people currently have the practical ability to fuck with me like that anymore, the memory of it leaves a primal, irrational terror that never really completely goes away. Trouble for you is that the vast majority of your audience here is... different from the rest of the world; both inside and outside of those closed circles. See, most people don't know fuck all about how this shit works. Them that do, well normally they only gather and commune among the devout, having little (if any) contact one with another outside of those closed groups.

    Here? It's a whole nother color of a hourse here. Here we have people who are not among the devout but who do have varied and vast experience with those closed communities. Enough, I think, to call you on your shit without much thought. See, your rhythm of thought has a pungent and familiar smell. You should expose yourself to more fresh air and sunshine and try and defunkify your thinking. That's my opinion, anyway.

    And for you to come back with something as fucking simple as suggesting out loud to the room that there ever was any threat to begin with and, why, how silly of anyone to have taken it that way? Buddy, if you're not doing your level best to pull every trigger and push every button in your perceived enemies, well then I may well be outmatched!

    Good day!























    Good DAY!!

























    I said "GOOD DAY!!!"
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Che Gookin on March 17, 2010, 01:12:12 AM
    Hey Matt, if some of the fuckers trespass onto your property, plug a few of them. I suggest .45 caliber.
    Title: Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
    Post by: Joel on March 17, 2010, 04:58:31 AM
    Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 17, 2010, 11:01:49 AM
    :cheers:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 17, 2010, 11:04:41 AM
    ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 17, 2010, 11:15:54 AM
    :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 17, 2010, 11:27:42 AM
    Quote from: "Antigen"
    Danny, that was a threat. In literal terms, ya know to the eye of someone who hadn't lived things like a cowboy ass whoopin or tight house it probably doesn't look like a credible threat at all. Why, one might have a hard as hell time getting a cop or judge or even one's own well paid private attorney to really understand what was so upsetting about that. I mean, it's absurd, right? The sheer logistics involved, never mind the social engineering that would be required to get 250 Stepcraft devout to leave their seminar to go fuck with someone they don't even know.

    But let me tell ya something, brother! I read it again pretending that John Underwood or Wanda Minton or Miller Newton or Lybbi MacDonald had written it to me. Even though none of those people currently have the practical ability to fuck with me like that anymore, the memory of it leaves a primal, irrational terror that never really completely goes away. Trouble for you is that the vast majority of your audience here is... different from the rest of the world; both inside and outside of those closed circles. See, most people don't know fuck all about how this shit works. Them that do, well normally they only gather and commune among the devout, having little (if any) contact one with another outside of those closed groups.

    Here? It's a whole nother color of a hourse here. Here we have people who are not among the devout but who do have varied and vast experience with those closed communities. Enough, I think, to call you on your shit without much thought. See, your rhythm of thought has a pungent and familiar smell. You should expose yourself to more fresh air and sunshine and try and defunkify your thinking. That's my opinion, anyway.

    And for you to come back with something as fucking simple as suggesting out loud to the room that there ever was any threat to begin with and, why, how silly of anyone to have taken it that way? Buddy, if you're not doing your level best to pull every trigger and push every button in your perceived enemies, well then I may well be outmatched!

    Good day!























    Good DAY!!
     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Now once I get through all that psycho babble you just threw up there and I realize you are projecting all your trauma you went through then I could get to the heart of the matter. Your problem with me any one else that does not agree with you is "WE ARE PERCEIVED AS THE ENEMY."  Just ask Whooter or any one resembling him. This is not coming from someone who feels persecuted, I don't really. I feel vindicated actually or validated whatever you choose.
    I don't agree with your take Ginger never have, you do make some great points.
    Every one here on this site belongs here whether or not buttons are being pushed. I wonder if you ever considered that just your posting is enough to push someones button.
    So I am not going to get into the great debate if Danny meant or not to threaten Matt. If I did it was without intent. If yourself and others can not accept this fine have it your way. I even went so far as to say "yes it looked to be a veiled threat" when I went back and read it again. I should have separated the paragraphs futher apart or whatever. But aye whats is done is done. Lets move on "drama queen". I'm sure Matt understands.
    Danny  

























    I said "GOOD DAY!!!"
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 17, 2010, 11:28:56 AM
    Edited dbl....post
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 17, 2010, 11:36:44 AM
    Quote from: "Che Gookin"
    Hey Matt, if some of the fuckers trespass onto your property, plug a few of them. I suggest .45 caliber.
    First "Che" you would have to find your balls and I think you gave them away to the madame a long time ago. Stick to humping Panda's fat boy.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anne Bonney on March 17, 2010, 11:43:24 AM
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Matty be careful I visit your hometowne with about 250 other AA men for a conference every May look it up. I should be seeing you in May. We just may corral you and before you know it you be brainwashed. Oh and If I forgot to tell you that I come to your hometown ( like I forgot to tell you about being a Ex-Ass. Dir.) sorry I was going to surprise you.
    Now I know you don't want to start talking about the mother of your children do you Matt, please leave mine out of this conversation. I mentioned it for reference, she went on to post to Ursus. Not you.
    Matt whenever you want to crawl out of your whoa is me, the Ex Ass Dir is picking on me routine that would be nice. Your 51 now grow up. Remember you said that you worked thru this, well act like it.
    This is Danny now has been since 1978....So nice try so many others were there before you pulling this shit, read it Matt. What are you 15 again. If that is the case then please be serious for the sake of others. Matt you can't spin this on me buddy sorry take your latent anger out on your counselors. I gave you every opportunity to get honest and you never did. Why because Matty did not want to look like he was siding with a Ass.Director in front of all his Elan resident buddies. Boy that would look horrible....Go back Matt to a phone call I had with you asking you why Mark was posting on facebook that I was a driver flunky for Joe. He knew I was a Ass. Director from my post on a site Sharon had. No this is the explanation you wanted to believe in order to hang out with me. Fine I could have accepted that if you had from the beginning just said I have a problem with associating with you because of.
    But you did not you chose a very disrespectful way trash me publically, remember you started this publically I spoke first in private, so don't go running around acting like your innocent.
    Danny



     :jawdrop:


    HOLY FUCKING HELL!!
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Froderik on March 17, 2010, 01:43:35 PM
    What's going on here? Is someone making threats? Make use of the bold feature and it would be easier for someone who is just checking in to see what is being referred to (I skimmed that last post and lost patience reading through what seemed to me like so much meaningless drivel, which is likely due to my hitherto  lack of interest in and indifference toward the whole damn thing. But someone please tell me what the hell is going on exactly. It seems this Danny B person has been raising quite a bit of a stink around here lately and I'd like to know what the hell is so important about all of it...lol.)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anne Bonney on March 17, 2010, 02:30:41 PM
    Quote from: "Froderik"
    What's going on here? Is someone making threats? Make use of the bold feature and it would be easier for someone who is just checking in to see what is being referred to (I skimmed that last post and lost patience reading through what seemed to me like so much meaningless drivel, which is likely due to my hitherto  lack of interest in and indifference toward the whole damn thing. But someone please tell me what the hell is going on exactly. It seems this Danny B person has been raising quite a bit of a stink around here lately and I'd like to know what the hell is so important about all of it...lol.)

    Ginger's reply to Danny's post probably explains it best.



    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Matty be careful I visit your hometowne with about 250 other AA men for a conference every May look it up. I should be seeing you in May. We just may corral you and before you know it you be brainwashed. Oh and If I forgot to tell you that I come to your hometown ( like I forgot to tell you about being a Ex-Ass. Dir.) sorry I was going to surprise you.
    Now I know you don't want to start talking about the mother of your children do you Matt, please leave mine out of this conversation. I mentioned it for reference, she went on to post to Ursus. Not you.
    Matt whenever you want to crawl out of your whoa is me, the Ex Ass Dir is picking on me routine that would be nice. Your 51 now grow up. Remember you said that you worked thru this, well act like it.
    This is Danny now has been since 1978....So nice try so many others were there before you pulling this shit, read it Matt. What are you 15 again. If that is the case then please be serious for the sake of others. Matt you can't spin this on me buddy sorry take your latent anger out on your counselors. I gave you every opportunity to get honest and you never did. Why because Matty did not want to look like he was siding with a Ass.Director in front of all his Elan resident buddies. Boy that would look horrible....Go back Matt to a phone call I had with you asking you why Mark was posting on facebook that I was a driver flunky for Joe. He knew I was a Ass. Director from my post on a site Sharon had. No this is the explanation you wanted to believe in order to hang out with me. Fine I could have accepted that if you had from the beginning just said I have a problem with associating with you because of.
    But you did not you chose a very disrespectful way trash me publically, remember you started this publically I spoke first in private, so don't go running around acting like your innocent.
    Danny



    Quote from: "Antigen"
    Danny, that was a threat. In literal terms, ya know to the eye of someone who hadn't lived things like a cowboy ass whoopin or tight house it probably doesn't look like a credible threat at all. Why, one might have a hard as hell time getting a cop or judge or even one's own well paid private attorney to really understand what was so upsetting about that. I mean, it's absurd, right? The sheer logistics involved, never mind the social engineering that would be required to get 250 Stepcraft devout to leave their seminar to go fuck with someone they don't even know.

    But let me tell ya something, brother! I read it again pretending that John Underwood or Wanda Minton or Miller Newton or Lybbi MacDonald had written it to me. Even though none of those people currently have the practical ability to fuck with me like that anymore, the memory of it leaves a primal, irrational terror that never really completely goes away. Trouble for you is that the vast majority of your audience here is... different from the rest of the world; both inside and outside of those closed circles. See, most people don't know fuck all about how this shit works. Them that do, well normally they only gather and commune among the devout, having little (if any) contact one with another outside of those closed groups.

    Here? It's a whole nother color of a hourse here. Here we have people who are not among the devout but who do have varied and vast experience with those closed communities. Enough, I think, to call you on your shit without much thought. See, your rhythm of thought has a pungent and familiar smell. You should expose yourself to more fresh air and sunshine and try and defunkify your thinking. That's my opinion, anyway.

    And for you to come back with something as fucking simple as suggesting out loud to the room that there ever was any threat to begin with and, why, how silly of anyone to have taken it that way? Buddy, if you're not doing your level best to pull every trigger and push every button in your perceived enemies, well then I may well be outmatched!

    Good day!
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Banny Dennison on March 17, 2010, 03:21:56 PM
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Quote from: "Banny Dennison"
    Somebody from the Facebook thing sent me a picture of a person purported to be Bennison.  Would it be against any of the forum rules or policies for me to post it here?
    :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Hell no I give you permission to post any picture of me or purported to be me anytime your heart desires. Lets start a collage of me and not me. Shit this is just getting better and better all the time.
    Danny
    P.S. Glad to see you back Mark!!!!!!
    Let me make sure I understand this correctly. Are you saying it IS okay to post your likeness on this forum?

    Here is the image in question:

    http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/v228/419/30 ... 7_7043.jpg (http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/v228/419/30/n100000225341957_7043.jpg)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 18, 2010, 11:46:13 AM
    :rocker:  :rocker:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :rasta:  :rasta:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 18, 2010, 11:56:09 AM
    viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30079 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30079)   Great reading about Ex-Staffers in rare form like our friends at Elan.Another Marty and Jeff show. these two are criminals too, and prance around and condemn others, Ridicule Danny and others from Elan.Be them to call the kettle black those Sick Fucks,Read about them and form your own opinion. I tried being nice to them and they are true ass-holes, I have been laying low and on my target,but guys like them just spark my aggressions, That is why the Troll rule book is so important.I now enjoy the aspects of yelling and screaming and shitting all over them, knowing they will come back. Having a Troll is the most fun, as all can see. I like it so much I have two, Please save the Trolls. :rocker:  :rocker:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Carl Twiddlerbum on March 18, 2010, 02:03:34 PM
    What exactly is an ASS DIRECTOR Danny?
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Carl Twiddlerbum on March 18, 2010, 02:04:27 PM
    What exactly is an ASS DIRECTOR Danny?
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anne Bonney on March 18, 2010, 02:07:54 PM
    Quote from: "Carl Twiddlerbum"
    What exactly is an ASS DIRECTOR Danny?

     :rofl:  :cheers:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Banny Dennison on March 18, 2010, 02:15:31 PM
    After all this this action in the last couple days, I'll betcha, Danny has been sitting for hours rocking back and forth, his index finger between his lips, finger moving up and down, repeating "b,b,b,b,b,b"....
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 18, 2010, 05:32:44 PM
    :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 18, 2010, 06:41:24 PM
    :jamin:  :jamin:  :rasta:  :rasta: I can be very funny too, I am not always the ass-hole I come off as.I just stand my ground, So please be nice to the Trolls, I needed them desperately today, woke up stressed out no one home I wont yell at the dog shes my best friend.didnt want to call my Girlfriend at work, so I found a Troll,  2 of them and just had my way with them yelled , spit on them, kicked, punched and peed on  them, and I felt so much better, like after a primal group, drained relaxed tired, just great.And as I have said, and they will prove it,  they will always come back if treated and fed properly as displayed today on this forum. So to all please be kind to the Trolls. From time to time we all need one to shit on, thank You from myself and all Troll being abused right now thanks . ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: try another castle on March 18, 2010, 10:25:55 PM
    It's great to see that it's finally Elan's turn to flood the boards with tiresome, vapid, chest-beating. You guys were relegated to your own little hovel of a sub-forum for so long, it must feel nice to finally get some daylight and strut your stuff. After all, everyone is entitled to a big fat bite of the invisible sandwich that is internet attention.

    Great Job!

     ::puke::  :shamrock: :tup:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Che Gookin on March 18, 2010, 10:38:51 PM
    They don't have a choice.. Acting like they normally do down in their sub-hovel will get it deleted. Apparently they kids needed someone to watch them at play so they got a couple outsiders to spank them.  Not to mention they've gotten practically every single one of their other websites deleted due to these sorts of hijinks.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 18, 2010, 11:59:07 PM
    Quote from: "try another castle"
    It's great to see that it's finally Elan's turn to flood the boards with tiresome, vapid, chest-beating. You guys were relegated to your own little hovel of a sub-forum for so long, it must feel nice to finally get some daylight and strut your stuff. After all, everyone is entitled to a big fat bite of the invisible sandwich that is internet attention.

    Great Job!

     ::puke::  :shamrock: :tup:
    :cheers:  :cheers: Thank for your kind words and thoughts, it has been a little crowded in that little thread ,and yes the daylight is nice.As you can see we are great Troll hunters and providers.I had the luxury of taking two Trolls out to day and it was great, I humiliated and scorned them severely. kicked them and even spit on them. I was having so much fun playing with my Trolls i was asked to stop publicly by my own group from Ealn before I wore the Trolls out or caused them to commit suicide or something.I humbly bowed to their request publicly as you have read, but I also cautioned that due to my extensive research and hunting for and knowledge of caring for Trolls , that they would just come back anyway. Well if you just look up from this post there they sit waiting for me to take them out and pee on them or something.Notice the baiting technique they use, Elan people were spanked and things like that, Ha Ha. According to all published reports here and otherwise by their own defenders, They had to suck intensive ass and appologies for thier crimes against kids and resident at the many centers they worked, I did not make this up I am using their words and stories. Thats why it is so impotent to pay attention to what you say or post. Somebody is always recording things,and knows how to send them back. I am having fights with ex-staff on a site for trouble teens and survivors of places like they ran. Know how much scene does that make.?? Someone said the forum was set for trouble teens not a safe haven for survivors. I hope they dont reprint that one, and delete the post, membership could drop by 75% on a insult like that.I see allot of people out here well past their teens.And to post while defending some ex-staffer is kind of weired, But this is the internet, I was hit on by two gay guys today on this site asking for sex, and they have never even seen me ,now thats even weirder.But they are Trolls and abusers so it kind of go hand and hand.Again thank you for your kind words and please help the Trolls they were people at one time too.So was elephant man. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :jamin:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:PS The Elan sites got nailed by the same person that got this site. Those Seymour make terrible investigators, but great Trolls, Hey stupid call up your friends who are defending you and suggest that stories not true, you fuckin abuser. Seymour even started his own page on facebook when this site took its hit, and he blames Elan people, what an ass.And then the guy who did it Trolled in the site once it was back up and started up with Ginger and Mike and anyone else that would listen. no one did and he was deleted and Trolls under cover now, The best part is we all know the IP address and just watch him run around now and make an ass out of himself. Privately and publicly Elan people stood right by Ginger and them, and beat the one whom we dont speak of. And when he returned turned the tables on him. So get your facts straight Seymour,Once again you were dragged threw the mud. Dont make it sound like you beat your past, that can never happen. I dont care if you have a change of heart, and want to help now. Measure the damage you caused others and you will always be behind,I was told that and said fine, but you just dont know when to shut up. Its your curse , you think your still in charge at some institution, well wake up your just some ass-hole walking the street that cant live with their past. I have done allot of good and bad in my life and I am not sorry for any of it.The only one I ever hurt was myself.As far as my days in collections, I was dealing with bad people doing bad things, The playing field was always level,I never bullied or victimized anyone in my life, can the Seymours say the same, No, not according to them or their press articles and empty apologizes. :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 19, 2010, 12:40:54 AM
    Quote from: "Eliscu2"
    Quote from: "Che Gookin"
    They don't have a choice.. Acting like they normally do down in their sub-hovel will get it deleted. Apparently they kids needed someone to watch them at play so they got a couple outsiders to spank them.  Not to mention they've gotten practically every single one of their other websites deleted due to these sorts of hijinks.

    Yep! The Elan Forum is under Daytopian rule now! ::evil::
    Be careful what you ask for.............
    Weren't you the one who suggested they were alright, and Seymour was so helpful, He just shit in your Face Felice,and the rest of ours.as far as Day Top folks well a couple dont make them all bad, After all our Great leader Joe Ricci came from Day Top so that kind of gives some background to the thinking.You tried to be nice and that is cool your a good person that way. You run to the perceived weak and help. But this time it was a wolf in sheep's clothing,I did post the words Seymour did,The Elan people got Fornits shut down and our own sites, I dont remember reporting anything did you??? lol.We all had our heated battles but never cried to any type of authority to hurt the site. He whom we dont speak of did all that for us and fornits.But you know all this ,its Seymour whos got it wrong .I told you Felice in the Troll care guild that they always come back and try and beg that attention to play.Open your heart and shit on a Troll, they will love you and follow you every where. Look at me I always have one or two behind me at all times.What a great thing to be able to say, I can relive myself any where any time, :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :rocker:  :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on March 19, 2010, 03:23:57 AM
    http://www.elanalum.com/Forums/viewtopi ... =3&t=4#p68 (http://www.elanalum.com/Forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4#p68)

    All the content on this site suddenly vanished. I have a feeling Danny complained to Rich W and Mark Babitz about deleting all the responses.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 19, 2010, 08:38:42 AM
    :cheers: What post were taken off of what site?? :cheers:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 19, 2010, 09:00:09 AM
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    I called Joe Ricci Thursday, hoping the owner of Scarborough Downs would offer ... This September, he was arrested in Lewiston on drunken-driving charges
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 19, 2010, 09:15:37 AM
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 19, 2010, 09:41:06 AM
    Quote from: "try another castle"
    It's great to see that it's finally Elan's turn to flood the boards with tiresome, vapid, chest-beating. You guys were relegated to your own little hovel of a sub-forum for so long, it must feel nice to finally get some daylight and strut your stuff. After all, everyone is entitled to a big fat bite of the invisible sandwich that is internet attention.

    Great Job!

     ::puke::  :shamrock: :tup:
    :notworthy:  :notworthy: Remember this is the Elan page if you didnt see the sign on the door . We will flood and fight with whom we want, Nobody forces anyone to come over here remember that. No body makes you watch the news or read the tabloids, These are things we elect to do. Trespassers can ether be welcome or shot. Said it in the door unless the sign blew off. And if it did well thats the facts. We fight, hug and attack over here , no the area is not for the weak or timid and or pussies. And folks should know that by now, that if some one brings their paper ass to the room it will get shredded . We have a cause and do well at fighting it in-spite of the distractions . Actually the distraction are fun and necessary,What we are not able to say directly to the ones we fight, we can vent on yes those Trolls marching by,Again the many advantages to keeping  a Troll healthy and ready, After all we view anyone against us as the enemy, so Trolls are good things to have around. The cause a shelter to our work,They make great messengers and gofers, And aways take the spot light, so while I am pissing and shiting on my Troll, others are working on the initial plane of closing Elan.We take turns running interference with the Trolls . that what makes it fun for us and the Troll. They never know whos going to light their ass on fire,Like walking into a tough bar not knowing who going to fuck with you first .A Troll has his last choice, and thats fuck or run. most well maintained Trolls will stay and try to fight.But if you encounter a sick or weak Troll they will run and beg for help.Please be careful for Trolls crossing the world wide web, they dont see very well  or think real quick and are venerable to attack and ridicule. So its best to slow down and feed them, there are no points for hitting a Troll, Staff now then you go to the bonus round with automatic prizes.Thank you and save the Trolls :jamin:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rocker:  :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 19, 2010, 09:57:39 AM
    :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30079 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30079) The joys of a Troll when properly handled. Look at all the fun they kick scream and cry, and always deny everything.  :peace:  :peace:  ::unhappy::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 19, 2010, 10:18:46 AM
    :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :rasta:  :blabla:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Froderik on March 19, 2010, 10:25:33 AM
    Elan was a place of hope and healing, a place where kids lacking direction in their lives could find help.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anne Bonney on March 19, 2010, 10:27:53 AM
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Matty be careful I visit your hometowne with about 250 other AA men for a conference every May look it up. I should be seeing you in May. We just may corral you and before you know it you be brainwashed. Oh and If I forgot to tell you that I come to your hometown ( like I forgot to tell you about being a Ex-Ass. Dir.) sorry I was going to surprise you.
    Now I know you don't want to start talking about the mother of your children do you Matt, please leave mine out of this conversation. I mentioned it for reference, she went on to post to Ursus. Not you.
    Matt whenever you want to crawl out of your whoa is me, the Ex Ass Dir is picking on me routine that would be nice. Your 51 now grow up. Remember you said that you worked thru this, well act like it.
    This is Danny now has been since 1978....So nice try so many others were there before you pulling this shit, read it Matt. What are you 15 again. If that is the case then please be serious for the sake of others. Matt you can't spin this on me buddy sorry take your latent anger out on your counselors. I gave you every opportunity to get honest and you never did. Why because Matty did not want to look like he was siding with a Ass.Director in front of all his Elan resident buddies. Boy that would look horrible....Go back Matt to a phone call I had with you asking you why Mark was posting on facebook that I was a driver flunky for Joe. He knew I was a Ass. Director from my post on a site Sharon had. No this is the explanation you wanted to believe in order to hang out with me. Fine I could have accepted that if you had from the beginning just said I have a problem with associating with you because of.
    But you did not you chose a very disrespectful way trash me publically, remember you started this publically I spoke first in private, so don't go running around acting like your innocent.
    Danny

    http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/0 ... protected/ (http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/03/cyberbullying-not-protected/)

    A California appeals court ruled this week that threatening posts made by readers of a website are not protected free speech, allowing a case charging the posters with hate crimes and defamation to proceed.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Froderik on March 19, 2010, 10:30:38 AM
    Good, now maybe this DB person can get a life and stop with the threats.

    Man, this forum has been in the shitter lately, lol.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on March 19, 2010, 10:36:28 AM
    Quote from: "Froderik"
    Elan was a place of hope and healing, a place where kids lacking direction in their lives could find help.


    Hell yuuaaeehh          and my name is , and my name is ,   and my name is  Arnold Feltcher .

    Frodo you be speaking some hillylarriious stuff .


    thank you .




    Anne that is some serious stuff.  thank you also.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on March 19, 2010, 10:37:03 AM
    The Elan fag still at it?
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Froderik on March 19, 2010, 10:47:27 AM
    Yeah but I think today is the day that he's goin' down... this is it.

    The bullshit stops TODAY.  :shamrock:  :poison:  :nods:  :roflmao:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on March 19, 2010, 10:47:53 AM
    Quote from: "Eliscu2"
    Quote from: "gae saeki"
    http://www.elanalum.com/Forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4#p68

    All the content on this site suddenly vanished. I have a feeling Danny complained to Rich W and Mark Babitz about deleting all the responses.

     Looky here: http://http://www.elanalum.com/Forums/viewforum.php?f=3

    http://www.elanalum.com/Forums/viewtopi ... 6420#p6420 (http://www.elanalum.com/Forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13&p=6420#p6420)


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    Elan from 75-78

    Postby RI Mike on Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:12 pm
    Hi I was at Elan durring those dates. Seems like a lifetime ago. Now I'm 50 and a Grandfather. They told me I'd never live past 16... Proved 'em all wrong.

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    Re: Elan from 75-78

    Postby jbusyb6 on Mon May 18, 2009 9:52 pm
    hi mike r.i. i was also there 74-75 and i am also in r,i. curious who you are.

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    Re: Elan from 75-78

    Postby dannyb50 on Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:39 pm
    Hey my name is Daniel Bennison I was there from this time and in a house w/ Mike from R.I. Elan 5. Mike nice to know your still alive. Our Director was Marty and you were transferred to Elan 6. We played some great games of football against one another. Champanionship Game Elan 5 vs Elan 6. Couldn't get a bigger game than that in southern Maine. I here you got clean, you said it. Mike stay connected with N.A. I have 21 yrs. in A.A. It does work if you work it. Stay in touch Danny

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    Re: Elan from 75-78

    Postby dannyb50 on Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:24 am
    :lol: Mike O'neil got in touch w/ me on this board or 404-936-6141. Danny Bennison.
    Last edited by dannyb50 on Fri Jan 29, 2010 8:40 pm, edited 3 times in total.

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    Re: Elan from 75-78

    Postby dannyb50 on Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:34 am
    :lol: Mikey com'on dude, big Mike...I kno you remember Tricia McCarty. Now you will remember me.
    Danny Bennison Elan 5.

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    Re: Elan from 75-78

    Postby harry cox on Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:58 am

    My name Hey my name is Daniel Bennison I was there from this time and in a house w/ Mike from R.I. Elan 5. Mike nice to know your still alive. Our Director was Marty and you were transferred to Elan 6. Marty was abusive like Rich W and I feel guilty about not reporting abuse to the police.

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    Re: Elan from 75-78

    Postby harry cox on Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:13 am

    My name Hey my name is Daniel Bennison I understand that Alice turned out to be a sick young lady as staff.

    harry cox
         
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    Lets see how long it takes Danny to call Rich W or Karen to get the last 2 posts removed.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on March 19, 2010, 10:50:15 AM
    http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark? ... cID=118114 (http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=3963&p=3&topicID=118114)

    Another ELAN social club they do seem to come from all walks of life.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Ursus on March 19, 2010, 11:15:12 AM
    Quote from: "Eliscu2"
    Quote from: "gae saeki"
    http://www.elanalum.com/Forums/viewtopi ... =3&t=4#p68 (http://www.elanalum.com/Forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4#p68)

    All the content on this site suddenly vanished. I have a feeling Danny complained to Rich W and Mark Babitz about deleting all the responses.
    Looky here: http://http://www.elanalum.com/Forums/viewforum.php?f=3
    Aye, but topic #4 (gae saeki's link) has disappeared.

    Here it is from Google's cache (http://http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:zhwoyFxZXegJ:www.elanalum.com/Forums/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D3%26t%3D4+site:elanalum.com/Forums/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D3%26t%3D4&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us):

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    Post by Rich on Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:26 am
    Post by RI Mike on Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:14 pm
    Post by L MAZUR on Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:33 am
    Post by Jen on Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:52 am
    Post by davehoffman  on Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:21 pm
    [email protected] (http://mailto:[email protected])

    hope to hear from you

    dave

    ps i was in E6 with woody starts, fred marsh, gary brandon, jimmy pollococous, wayne brown, mike fitzwater, and staff was john ricci, georgo grote, and ??? (been a long time) not an alice dunn fan.[/list]
    Post by dannyb50  on Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:10 pm
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 20, 2010, 08:41:32 AM
    :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :soapbox:  :rocker:  :jamin:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 20, 2010, 12:59:05 PM
    :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers: viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30100&start=0 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30100&start=0) :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers: Most people would be offended by this ass-hole but we take it in stride, the Elan group loves Trolls, as far as references to entertainment you bet it is, and thats what keeps things moving., If it was boring no one would pay attention.We all know who the Troll is, and we really dont mind him being here,. He kind of like a sport and fun to play with. Everyone knows he has no credibility but he is fun to watch. After all running around tormenting and insulting Elan people calling us all Fags. That can only be one person I can guess,[He Whom We Dont Speak Of ],He was casted and really doesn't know what to do.He speaks to us like ass-holes and he is the one that got banded from the site under his real name.There is allot of room on this forum why come here and fuck with us.?? Unless you feel you have a score to settle.Why call out Elan people by name and your scared to use yours ?? thats the best question,but I am sure you have a reason why,duh. I find it funny to watch someone who wont disclose their identity openly, run around  spewing bull-shit and opinions, unless they are under the wittiness protection group.I think it great people go on a sites and form opinion start trouble etc,and use a fake name. Thats like hitting someone from behind and thinking your not a coward.Afraid to step up and say who is making the statement,.No body said post your address and phone number ,but your name should be safe,or maybe not ??? . And if not maybe be quiet before some one does find out.Thank You and please save the Trolls. :cheers:  :cheers:  :jamin:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on March 20, 2010, 01:07:55 PM
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 20, 2010, 04:56:39 PM
    :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: Yes you are :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 20, 2010, 11:02:59 PM
    :soapbox:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 20, 2010, 11:08:55 PM
    Mark Babitz http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1 ... 38,1530190 (http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1914&dat=19970711&id=m9wgAAAAIBAJ&sjid=U2sFAAAAIBAJ&pg=1138,1530190) More Joe
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 20, 2010, 11:09:35 PM
    Mark Babitz http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&defl ... d=0CAYQkAE (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=define:flamboyant&ei=jEulS8WjDoiWtgejj8DOCw&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title&ved=0CAYQkAE) They always refer to Joe this way
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 20, 2010, 11:10:10 PM
    Mark Babitz Pay-Per-View - USA TODAY - ProQuest Archiver - Jul 11, 1997
    Maine. Portland -- Scarborough Downs owner Joseph Ricci filed a lawsuit ... that he was unlawfully removed from a hotel lounge and wrongfully arrested Sep
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 20, 2010, 11:11:15 PM
    Mark Babitz $2.00 - Portland Press Herald - NewsBank - Oct 14, 1999
    Joseph Ricci complained that his wrists were hurt because the handcuffs were too tight when he was arrested after being removed from a lounge at a Portlan
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Octomommy on March 21, 2010, 05:22:55 AM
    Shouldn't you be peddling your ass on a street corner to support your blow habit?
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: psy on March 21, 2010, 10:26:51 AM
    Quote from: "bossybee39"
    Quote from: "gae saeki"
    Our low self esteem ELAN troll is back!
    The one we shall not speak of is back.....figures never a day of peace from this asshole
    Oh you can speak of him.  Not sure if Art is indeed back, though.  I don't check.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Octomommy on March 21, 2010, 10:35:18 AM
    Quote from: "bossybee39"
    Quote from: "Octomommy"

    Oh wow thanks for the cheer up this morning, and you wanted to have me crying didn't you, awwww sorry sweetie not in a million years are you going to be able to do that...ok i'll be back time to clean more puppy shit off my floor and feed my 8 kids as I walk barefoot across the floor....omfg busting on the ground in total humor....I actually got a visual.....fuck me funny.

    That's not puppy shit, do try to get your business in the toilet next time when you wobble in after along day of selling your vagina for crack cocaine.
     :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 21, 2010, 12:09:34 PM
    Quote from: "psy"
    Quote from: "bossybee39"
    Quote from: "gae saeki"
    Our low self esteem ELAN troll is back!
    The one we shall not speak of is back.....figures never a day of peace from this asshole
    Oh you can speak of him.  Not sure if Art is indeed back, though.  I don't check.

    Psy....Stop fibbing, you would know for sure.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Che Gookin on March 21, 2010, 12:17:25 PM
    Doesn't matter if he would know for sure or not. He wouldn't say either way. And since he won't say I tend to believe him when he says he never bothers to check anymore. Makes sense to those of us capable of reasoning and logic.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 21, 2010, 12:36:08 PM
    Quote from: Che Gookin
    Doesn't matter if he would know for sure or not. He wouldn't say either way. And since he won't say I tend to believe him when he says he never bothers to check anymore. Makes sense to those of us capable of reasoning and logic.[/quote

     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Thank you so much, "Ol Reasoning And Logical One". We all know that Psy and Ginger think they have it all figured out and this site could never be shut down by the likes of Art again, step back and gather up your britches, if you have enough money to this site goes back down just as easy. So don't get to cocky.
    My point is I'd want to know who exactly is on my site, especially if they caused mayhem before to the degree he did.
    Last thing is this a "Trademark of Fornits" that no one can ever just mind there own business. I wasn't talking to you.  
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Ursus on March 21, 2010, 12:42:57 PM
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Quote from: "Che Gookin"
    Doesn't matter if he would know for sure or not. He wouldn't say either way. And since he won't say I tend to believe him when he says he never bothers to check anymore. Makes sense to those of us capable of reasoning and logic.
    :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Thank you so much, "Ol Reasoning And Logical One". We all know that Psy and Ginger think they have it all figured out and this site could never be shut down by the likes of Art again, step back and gather up your britches, if you have enough money to this site goes back down just as easy. So don't get to cocky.
    My point is I'd want to know who exactly is on my site, especially if they caused mayhem before to the degree he did.
    Last thing is this a "Trademark of Fornits" that no one can ever just mind there own business. I wasn't talking to you.
    Danny
    If you wish to exclude anyone from the conversation, I suggest ya take it to private messaging. This is a discussion board and is open to participation from everyone.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: psy on March 21, 2010, 05:20:37 PM
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Quote from: "psy"
    Quote from: "bossybee39"
    Quote from: "gae saeki"
    Our low self esteem ELAN troll is back!
    The one we shall not speak of is back.....figures never a day of peace from this asshole
    Oh you can speak of him.  Not sure if Art is indeed back, though.  I don't check.

    Psy....Stop fibbing, you would know for sure.
    Even if I checked, I couldn't say, even for Art.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: psy on March 21, 2010, 05:22:58 PM
    Quote from: "Eliscu2"
    He even accused me of having a "Jewish Consipiracy" with Art. :roflmao:

    Protocols of the Elders of Fornits
     :roflmao:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 21, 2010, 07:43:00 PM
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Quote from: "Che Gookin"
    Doesn't matter if he would know for sure or not. He wouldn't say either way. And since he won't say I tend to believe him when he says he never bothers to check anymore. Makes sense to those of us capable of reasoning and logic.
    :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Thank you so much, "Ol Reasoning And Logical One". We all know that Psy and Ginger think they have it all figured out and this site could never be shut down by the likes of Art again, step back and gather up your britches, if you have enough money to this site goes back down just as easy. So don't get to cocky.
    My point is I'd want to know who exactly is on my site, especially if they caused mayhem before to the degree he did.
    Last thing is this a "Trademark of Fornits" that no one can ever just mind there own business. I wasn't talking to you.
    Danny
    If you wish to exclude anyone from the conversation, I suggest ya take it to private messaging. This is a discussion board and is open to participation from everyone.

     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Jeesh, I didn't know that Ursus thanks for straightening that out for me...lol.
    Just thought every once in awhile folks could mind there own business, but
    the same individuals just can't, ya just feel we would all go astray if ya didn't
    butt in.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 21, 2010, 07:45:56 PM
    Quote from: "psy"
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Quote from: "psy"
    Quote from: "bossybee39"
    Quote from: "gae saeki"
    Our low self esteem ELAN troll is back!
    The one we shall not speak of is back.....figures never a day of peace from this asshole
    Oh you can speak of him.  Not sure if Art is indeed back, though.  I don't check.

    Psy....Stop fibbing, you would know for sure.
    Even if I checked, I couldn't say, even for Art.

     :shamrock:  :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    I find that odd but I'll save the rest of this conversation for a PM.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 21, 2010, 07:54:30 PM
    Quote from: "psy"
    Quote from: "Eliscu2"
    He even accused me of having a "Jewish Consipiracy" with Art. :roflmao:

    Protocols of the Elders of Fornits
     :roflmao:
    :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    @pys
    "LMAO"

     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    @ Felice
    Well why else are you tripping all over yourself to help him and then say something to assume your acting differently to your brethren. Felice your a phony. OH thats right your Vlad who rides under any ones flag.
    You seem creditable, because of your friends here, what is sad they only exist here on internet.  
     Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Che Gookin on March 21, 2010, 08:12:29 PM
    We shouldn't dismiss the involvement of the Illuminati or the Freemasons either.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 21, 2010, 11:27:51 PM
    :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :peace:  ::unhappy::  :peace:  ::unhappy::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Jeffery on March 22, 2010, 01:11:19 AM
    uckoff:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Jeffery on March 22, 2010, 01:20:47 AM
    ht:  :fuckoff:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Jeffery on March 22, 2010, 01:28:11 AM
    H
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on March 22, 2010, 05:39:30 AM
    *****
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Che Gookin on March 22, 2010, 05:46:59 AM
    Bleh, dude your 45 socks you use to troll danny are getting annoying. Pick one and stick with it.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Che Gookin on March 22, 2010, 05:47:39 AM
    Bleh, dude your 45 socks you use to troll danny are getting annoying. Pick one and stick with it.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Jeffery on March 22, 2010, 10:53:53 AM
    :fuckoff:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Jeffery on March 22, 2010, 10:54:17 AM
    :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 22, 2010, 01:36:04 PM
    :soapbox:  :feedtrolls:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on March 22, 2010, 02:44:52 PM
    Quote from: "mark babitz"
    :soapbox:  :feedtrolls:


    I actually appreciate Mark there is some humor in his replies.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 22, 2010, 03:54:01 PM
    :cheers:  :cheers: Well thank you :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 22, 2010, 05:17:41 PM
    http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A ... b73cfa8a79 (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.burnjam.com%2Fepk.php%3Fband_id%3D399&h=7d4582e3136f49950b69c1b73cfa8a79)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 22, 2010, 05:18:59 PM
    ark Babitz JOE RICCI HAUNTED BY OWN WORDS
    $2.00 - Portland Press Herald - NewsBank - Sep 27, 1996
    But his attorney, John Campbell, concedes Ricci was drinking before he arrived at the bar. ... and Italian Americans in southern Maine,'' the notice state :jawdrop:  joe
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 22, 2010, 05:20:27 PM
    ::OMG:: JOE RICCI HAUNTED BY OWN WORDS
    $2.00 - Portland Press Herald - NewsBank - Sep 27, 1996
    But his attorney, John Campbell, concedes Ricci was drinking before he arrived at the bar. ... and Italian Americans in southern Maine,'' the notice state joe
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 22, 2010, 05:21:31 PM
    http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A ... b73cfa8a79 (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fid%3DE8k0AAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DLmsFAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D1509%2C3726025%26dq%3Dthomas%2Bricci%2Bjr%2Bmaine%26hl%3Den&h=7d4582e3136f49950b69c1b73cfa8a79)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 22, 2010, 05:24:32 PM
    http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A ... b73cfa8a79 (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fnid%3D1914%26dat%3D19970711%26id%3Dm9wgAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DU2sFAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D1138%2C1530190&h=7d4582e3136f49950b69c1b73cfa8a79)  Joe Ricci
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Banny Dennison on March 22, 2010, 10:43:44 PM
    Quote from: "Jeffery"
    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=2&ved=0CBQQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.efukt.com%2F2344_Amputee_Porn_Gone_Bad.html&ei=RoKnS-C9ApW2NszBqIUD&usg=AFQjCNEnaBLHjTSv-HqLcp1I_G_BG9ycSg

    Danny's mom (who was doing the filming) gave me a copy of this video of her son, and I was shocked when I reviewed it. Check out what Danny does in his spare time. What a freak.

    http://lbn.threat.tv/mrhands.mpg (http://lbn.threat.tv/mrhands.mpg)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Jeffery on March 23, 2010, 05:34:26 PM
    :jawdrop:  ::OMG::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Jeffery on March 23, 2010, 05:44:05 PM
    :birthday:  :birthday: I am sure you just suffer soft tissue injuries. Why did you go back in again ?? i have to find that video.  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 25, 2010, 09:04:58 AM
    :cheers:  :cheers:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :jamin:  :rasta:  :rasta:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on March 25, 2010, 09:22:15 AM
    viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30148 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30148)
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    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 25, 2010, 09:04:24 PM
    :rocker:  :jamin:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rocker:  :peace:  ::unhappy::
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on March 25, 2010, 09:53:13 PM
    Welcome back master babitz!   :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rasta:   :peace:  :jamin:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 26, 2010, 10:04:34 AM
    Here is my post from yesterday slightly altered but its hard to remove a post once it is registered in the members catch , you forgot,And there is only one way a post can be removed completely of the board  :twofinger: e: AA and TC.s - How It Went So Wrong....????
    Yes, why do you have something stupid say about Jews?? I think all the comedians and nazi took care of all the jokes, but they forgot you.I was raised Jewish and Catholic, in Skokie Ill, and moved to Winnetka just before high school, junior year.I went to Catholic grade school and synagogue on Saturday. Are you going to crack Jew jokes now?.Elan was taking Jews when I got there the biggest contributor was Marvin Swartz,I Joe wrote he didnt like the Blacks they were too hard to control.the Whites or Gentiles were very weak, Jews held up the best due to there history of being toucher they have the stamina to keep going. Oh was that the joke you were looking for[ Mr Norm Crosby]. Like I said ass-hole leave the Jews out of this, I am my own Man, and dont represent the Jewish or other Christian Faiths or other religions.I asked you yesterday do you believe in God,or anything other than bull-shit.?? Like I told you yesterday Jews, Blacks, Gay Folks, Disabled are kind of off limits, Your yelling into a dark whole and truly dont know whats down there. You did yesterday when it was mentioned, [ie] your post completely removed, again only certain people could do that., and for the computer savvy we know.!!.This post has been copied and stored so it can be reposted so no reason to alter this one.Attempting to pick on the Jews, we dont lash out at Gay people, we have seen you and your friend on Face-book, and thats fine, I wont repost it here, all who know have already made the identification and relevance to the post removals and it comes back to that guy.So stay off the religions. :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 26, 2010, 01:26:33 PM
    :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :jamin:  :rasta:  :rocker:  :rasta:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 26, 2010, 04:27:39 PM
    As a former student Of the Elan school and employee of Joe Ricci at approximatly the same time as Mr skakel,I have taken a great interest in this case. I truly believe the Skakels have far more knowledge of this horrible crime than they claim. The atmosphere at the Elan school is overwhelming pressure at times.It is taught the key to success is ridding yourself of any guilt that may linger in, and 'destroy' you. with that I believe that Mike in fact did admit to this crime during his stay and believed that it would never catch up to him outside of the school walls or for that matter, any other students taking him seriously enough to even recall his admission.(some of which also admited or fabricated tales of murder,rape and other serious crimes) Joe Ricci in my opinion deserves the negative press and the label 'duck in a raincoat' simply because he acted with no class whatsoever during the courts investigations and in my oppinion was flamboyant and used the occasion to flaunt his power his wealth and his status by hiding behind legal barriers and camoflages yet at the same time arrived to hearings in limos, throwing himself into the publics eye via the media. It sickened me to see him do this because I sincerely believe Mr. Ricci has knowledge of skakel admiting to the murder of dear martha,but not in a way that would be significant to him. At Elan school Joe Ricci was very rarely seen and had little contact with the students, every student there was intimidated by Joe's presence and none had a relationship with him well enough to ever bring up something as serious as murder.I do not believe that Mr.Ricci had any direct confesion or discusion with skakel admiting to murder and dont believe Ricci took any one students problems to heart sincerely enough to remember it for more than that day. but I do believe that it could have been braught to his attention after a smaller group sessions and disregarded as many other confessions or problems are. The former student(s) who testified to witnessing Mr. Ricci confront Mr.Skakel about the murder is completly possible and no student would be surprised that Skakel was sent to elan for murder.at that age alot of children are naive and most of us where there as an option to corrections or prison. Mr. Ricci would never have mentioned such a thing in front of anyone other than to make it appear as though it was common knowledge that Skakel had killed someone Mr Ricci would never expose the possibility that a senetors nephew commited murder in front of so many people including other staff members as a new discovery. there are smaller group sessions often run by students who either graduated the program or were close to leaving on merits. during and after these sessions, was a code :nothing goes outside of the group session and there was serious consequences if this code was violated, this code was taken seriously enough to where it was not uncommon at all to hear someone admit to serious crimes, BUT theres always a small group of defiant people that will risk the consequences to share in secrecy what someone else talked about in groups.I did.I'm sure someone present in a group session with Skakel did too,damn sure. A former councilor at Elan was also called to testify and I really have no idea if he did and would be sorry to hear so.Peter McCann in my eyes cannot be taken seriously about anything more than his drinking and/or drug problems at the time of his employment at Elan.I personally take complete responsibility for exposing his actions that lead to his termination from elan in the early eighties. He was always intoxicated (though he carried it well on most occasions)and I often found him hungover or passed out in one of the dorm rooms as I was in a possition of trust to be able to walk freely around the school grounds and buildings. If Mr.McCann in fact did hear a confession,and took the issue to Mr.Ricci I would only guess that the response from Mr.Ricci would have been in principal the confidentiality code,and mr.McCanns drinking problem allowed him to let it go at that. I would bet that he doesnt remember the name of the eager kid that got him fired after pleading with him to help himself so he could help his students and keeping his secret to myself. I have no intensions to discredit the schools ability to help people in desperate need or taint the schools reputation as a possitive experience for its students, it literally saves lives! But I have to say the school is not in a possition to protect a murderer simply based on a weak claim of patient doctor confidentiality, because none of the people who may have heard skakels confesion can call themselves a doctor :cheers:  :cheers:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Froderik on March 26, 2010, 05:10:06 PM
    Is it true that there is a ring of dead grass for 500 ft. around Joe Ricci's grave?
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Ursus on March 26, 2010, 05:23:02 PM
    Quote from: "mark babitz"
    As a former student Of the Elan school and employee of Joe Ricci at approximatly the same time as Mr skakel,I have taken a great interest in this case. I truly believe the Skakels have far more knowledge of this horrible crime than they claim. The atmosphere at the Elan school is overwhelming pressure at times.It is taught the key to success is ridding yourself of any guilt that may linger in, and 'destroy' you. with that I believe that Mike in fact did admit to this crime during his stay and believed that it would never catch up to him outside of the school walls or for that matter, any other students taking him seriously enough to even recall his admission.(some of which also admited or fabricated tales of murder,rape and other serious crimes) Joe Ricci in my opinion deserves the negative press and the label 'duck in a raincoat' simply because he acted with no class whatsoever during the courts investigations and in my oppinion was flamboyant and used the occasion to flaunt his power his wealth and his status by hiding behind legal barriers and camoflages yet at the same time arrived to hearings in limos, throwing himself into the publics eye via the media. It sickened me to see him do this because I sincerely believe Mr. Ricci has knowledge of skakel admiting to the murder of dear martha,but not in a way that would be significant to him. At Elan school Joe Ricci was very rarely seen and had little contact with the students, every student there was intimidated by Joe's presence and none had a relationship with him well enough to ever bring up something as serious as murder.I do not believe that Mr.Ricci had any direct confesion or discusion with skakel admiting to murder and dont believe Ricci took any one students problems to heart sincerely enough to remember it for more than that day. but I do believe that it could have been braught to his attention after a smaller group sessions and disregarded as many other confessions or problems are. The former student(s) who testified to witnessing Mr. Ricci confront Mr.Skakel about the murder is completly possible and no student would be surprised that Skakel was sent to elan for murder.at that age alot of children are naive and most of us where there as an option to corrections or prison. Mr. Ricci would never have mentioned such a thing in front of anyone other than to make it appear as though it was common knowledge that Skakel had killed someone Mr Ricci would never expose the possibility that a senetors nephew commited murder in front of so many people including other staff members as a new discovery. there are smaller group sessions often run by students who either graduated the program or were close to leaving on merits. during and after these sessions, was a code :nothing goes outside of the group session and there was serious consequences if this code was violated, this code was taken seriously enough to where it was not uncommon at all to hear someone admit to serious crimes, BUT theres always a small group of defiant people that will risk the consequences to share in secrecy what someone else talked about in groups.I did.I'm sure someone present in a group session with Skakel did too,damn sure. A former councilor at Elan was also called to testify and I really have no idea if he did and would be sorry to hear so.Peter McCann in my eyes cannot be taken seriously about anything more than his drinking and/or drug problems at the time of his employment at Elan.I personally take complete responsibility for exposing his actions that lead to his termination from elan in the early eighties. He was always intoxicated (though he carried it well on most occasions)and I often found him hungover or passed out in one of the dorm rooms as I was in a possition of trust to be able to walk freely around the school grounds and buildings. If Mr.McCann in fact did hear a confession,and took the issue to Mr.Ricci I would only guess that the response from Mr.Ricci would have been in principal the confidentiality code,and mr.McCanns drinking problem allowed him to let it go at that. I would bet that he doesnt remember the name of the eager kid that got him fired after pleading with him to help himself so he could help his students and keeping his secret to myself. I have no intensions to discredit the schools ability to help people in desperate need or taint the schools reputation as a possitive experience for its students, it literally saves lives! But I have to say the school is not in a possition to protect a murderer simply based on a weak claim of patient doctor confidentiality, because none of the people who may have heard skakels confesion can call themselves a doctor :cheers:  :cheers:
    Mark, is this your writing or someone else's? If the latter, that person should be identified or at least identified as not you. Link would always be a plus as well...   ;)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 26, 2010, 05:52:20 PM
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    Quote from: "mark babitz"
    As a fr student Of the Elan school and employee of Joe Ricci at approximatly the same time as Mr skakel,I have taken a great interest in this case. I truly believe the Skakels have far more knowledge of this horrible crime than they claim. The atmosphere at the Elan school is overwhelming pressure at times.It is taught the key to success is ridding yourself of any guilt that may linger in, and 'destroy' you. with that I believe that Mike in fact did admit to this crime during his stay and believed that it would never catch up to him outside of the school walls or for that matter, any other students taking him seriously enough to even recall his admission.(some of which also admited or fabricated tales of murder,rape and other serious crimes) Joe Ricci in my opinion deserves the negative press and the label 'duck in a raincoat' simply because he acted with no class whatsoever during the courts investigations and in my oppinion was flamboyant and used the occasion to flaunt his power his wealth and his status by hiding behind legal barriers and camoflages yet at the same time arrived to hearings in limos, throwing himself into the publics eye via the media. It sickened me to see him do this because I sincerely believe Mr. Ricci has knowledge of skakel admiting to the murder of dear martha,but not in a way that would be significant to him. At Elan school Joe Ricci was very rarely seen and had little contact with the students, every student there was intimidated by Joe's presence and none had a relationship with him well enough to ever bring up something as serious as murder.I do not believe that Mr.Ricci had any direct confesion or discusion with skakel admiting to murder and dont believe Ricci took any one students problems to heart sincerely enough to remember it for more than that day. but I do believe that it could have been braught to his attention after a smaller group sessions and disregarded as many other confessions or problems are. The former student(s) who testified to witnessing Mr. Ricci confront Mr.Skakel about the murder is completly possible and no student would be surprised that Skakel was sent to elan for murder.at that age alot of children are naive and most of us where there as an option to corrections or prison. Mr. Ricci would never have mentioned such a thing in front of anyone other than to make it appear as though it was common knowledge that Skakel had killed someone Mr Ricci would never expose the possibility that a senetors nephew commited murder in front of so many people including other staff members as a new discovery. there are smaller group sessions often run by students who either graduated the program or were close to leaving on merits. during and after these sessions, was a code :nothing goes outside of the group session and there was serious consequences if this code was violated, this code was taken seriously enough to where it was not uncommon at all to hear someone admit to serious crimes, BUT theres always a small group of defiant people that will risk the consequences to share in secrecy what someone else talked about in groups.I did.I'm sure someone present in a group session with Skakel did too,damn sure. A former councilor at Elan was also called to testify and I really have no idea if he did and would be sorry to hear so.Peter McCann in my eyes cannot be taken seriously about anything more than his drinking and/or drug problems at the time of his employment at Elan.I personally take complete responsibility for exposing his actions that lead to his termination from elan in the early eighties. He was always intoxicated (though he carried it well on most occasions)and I often found him hungover or passed out in one of the dorm rooms as I was in a possition of trust to be able to walk freely around the school grounds and buildings. If Mr.McCann in fact did hear a confession,and took the issue to Mr.Ricci I would only guess that the response from Mr.Ricci would have been in principal the confidentiality code,and mr.McCanns drinking problem allowed him to let it go at that. I would bet that he doesnt remember the name of the eager kid that got him fired after pleading with him to help himself so he could help his students and keeping his secret to myself. I have no intensions to discredit the schools ability to help people in desperate need or taint the schools reputation as a possitive experience for its students, it literally saves lives! But I have to say the school is not in a possition to protect a murderer simply based on a weak claim of patient doctor confidentiality, because none of the people who may have heard skakels confesion can call themselves a doctor :cheers:  :cheers:
    Mark, is this your writing or someone else's? If the latter, that person should be identified or at least identified as not you. Link would always be a plus as well...   ;)
    orme


     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Who died and made you boss does this look like your forum, nobody needs to do anything but what he did. thank you
    Worry about covering your ass, oh excuse me HYDE.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Ursus on March 26, 2010, 06:21:43 PM
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Worry about covering your ass, oh excuse me HYDE.
    Danny
    Such a clever Danny!  :rofl:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 26, 2010, 06:26:35 PM
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Worry about covering your ass, oh excuse me HYDE.
    Danny
    Such a clever Danny!  :rofl:


     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    I waited for 3 months to post that thanks for the opportunity.
    Read Duck in a Raincoat. Felice should have the download, if not Mark
    or Sharon.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anne Bonney on March 26, 2010, 06:30:48 PM
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Worry about covering your ass, oh excuse me HYDE.
    Danny
    Such a clever Danny!  :rofl:


     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    I waited for 3 months to post that thanks for the opportunity.


     :roflmao:  :roflmao:

    Oh. my. god.   He really doesn't get it, does he?



    Is this guy really in his 50s?  I'm starting to find that incredibly difficult to believe.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Froderik on March 26, 2010, 06:33:46 PM
    (http://http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_UFfSsOfN90g/SY0K9NuxTjI/AAAAAAAADsE/YHqBp2cQC6Q/s320/shithead.jpg)
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anne Bonney on March 26, 2010, 06:40:20 PM
    Quote from: "Froderik"
    (http://http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_UFfSsOfN90g/SY0K9NuxTjI/AAAAAAAADsE/YHqBp2cQC6Q/s320/shithead.jpg)

     :rofl:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 27, 2010, 01:26:28 AM
    Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Worry about covering your ass, oh excuse me HYDE.
    Danny
    Such a clever Danny!  :rofl:


     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    I waited for 3 months to post that thanks for the opportunity.


     :roflmao:  :roflmao:

    Oh. my. god.   He really doesn't get it, does he?
     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    From a women that has a avatar flashing her genitals, ya I don't get it.....keep it coming Anne.
    Danny



    Is this guy really in his 50s?  I'm starting to find that incredibly difficult to believe.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Inculcated on March 27, 2010, 01:51:56 AM
    Bennison, just give it a rest.
    Enough already.Stop, okay.
    You say you want an end to hostilities.
    If that’s true then let it begin with you.
    You have the power to make that choice.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 27, 2010, 02:33:54 AM
    Quote from: "Inculcated"
    Bennison, just give it a rest.
    Enough already.Stop, okay.
    You say you want an end to hostilities.
    If that’s true then let it begin with you.
    You have the power to make that choice.

     :shamrock:  :shamrock:

    No Thank You.....
    You and your friends will either cease and desist further confrontations that you started first, dating back to my first visit on here or my reactions to your attacks will continue.
    You are not laying this at my feet Inculcate, I am not accepting this. Go summon your coven and deal with them.
    My email to you was like a century ago, it is null and void.
    You and your friends hostilities however you cloak them will not be tolerated at all. I know you can not see this because of your perspective about me but at this stage of the battle it does not matter how we got here but that we are here.
    Like I said either acknowledge your part and explain your part or do me a favor and cease talking to me because I am sick of hearing you and your friends hypercritical blah.
    That is the power you have, I hope you make the right decision for you.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 27, 2010, 09:29:57 AM
    Quote from: "Che Gookin"
    Oh ffs... Anyone have any suggestions for managing Kinderagartners in an ESL setting? I wouldn't say I'm at "My Wits end" or anything, but I am a bit concerned with one of my class's behavior. I'm more tolerant than the Chinese teachers are with them and I'm willing to take the long view that all good things will come with time and patience from these little rascals, but the Chinese teachers are thinking along the lines of sowing terror into their ranks.

    I've had to tell them to chill out a few times already.

    So yeah, anyone have any clues for suggestions for a hyperactive kindergarten class in an ESL setting?

     
     :soapbox: We ll if  your at your wits end as you put it, do what you have always done hear on the web and in your past employments . Bash and ridicule and play some head games.After all seeking employment out of the country and in a place like China that has very little human rights etc, is so appropriate for someone like you.But maybe your too dumb to see that, as you parade around like the changed human.China has always been a country of Rulers and Emperors, AKA Communist, :jawdrop: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_China_a_communist_country (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_China_a_communist_country) :jawdrop: For those of you who are not up on China here is the definition of China on that link.That being said you are working in a communist country with kids, Now what sound scary about that.?? And for someone with your past, But they dont mind abuse in China thats how they operate, You said that in your statement and so does world views and politics.So your working in a place were they shit on the young and your going to change things.?????. Why wouldn't  you stay in the U.S. and try and change the styles here, Oh you probably have been ban in the U.S. from working with kids under 18.Man I want to see how you talk your way around this factual info.The Emperor of China must have recruited you to change and modify the school system. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on March 27, 2010, 09:32:56 AM
    Quote from: "Froderik"
    Is it true that there is a ring of dead grass for 500 ft. around Joe Ricci's grave?


    Hi Frodo...

    ...seems like we have all been here before ..... (large beautiful chord).... Hmm  maybe too abstract , no?

    Ok different response.....   It is thought that the large dead ring of grass  is a direct  result of the" COLLECTIVE" pissing of thousands of former resident on his grave. It is done as more of a remote pissing , kinda like remote viewing, cause no one actually has seen anyone  P ing on his grave .

    The other studied thought on this is that it is quite possible that due to ricci's action's while above ground ,( very bad person)That anything that comes within 500 feet of his rotting corpse dies because , (to steal the childs frightened  words at the end of the movie  Time bandits) don't touch it (ricci's "SOUL")  thats  .....
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: SEKTO on March 27, 2010, 10:51:12 PM
    Quote
    When people pretty much completely stop posting because of the excess of trolling, what is effectively happening is that he (the troll) is moderating the ability of others to post. This is hardly in the spirit of the forum.

    Free speech gives one the right to say whatever one wants; it does not give one the right to say anything one wants, wherever one wants to say it.

    IMO it's about time that fornits was much better moderated.  There have got to be some kind of rules, standards.  

    Without these, it's just one big trollfest and fornits turns into a farce.  Again, just my opinion.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Che Gookin on March 27, 2010, 10:59:29 PM
    Quote from: "bossybee39"
    How the hell do we waste so much time on Danny Bennison when there is much to discuss everywhere else. I cant follow this constant daily Danny fiesta and try to gain any accomplishment elsewhere. There is much to do right now and basically I am getting to the point of saying fuck fornits because this is fucken crazy daily bullshit that is out of control. Hell I got a life cant come on here once in awhile to not do anything productive. We already established how we feel about Danny, so lets roll off this please...omfg I cant take the art and danny bullshit anymore guys. Who really fucken cares. :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  they r purposely wasting my time

    Ehh... I'm tempted to say don't let the door slap your ass on the way out, but...  Instead I suggest giving it a few days and finding something worthwhile to focus your attention.

    You don't have to pay Danny any attention if you don't wan to.

    Use the ignore feature.

    Likewise, you won't need to worry about me trolling you anymore, I stopped seriously trolling you after Felice told me you got out of the hospital, which coincidentally is before you were told I was octomommy.

    This shit has got to settle down people. ELAN is getting a free god damn ride while a few individuals are having a field day tearing each other apart. All of you, Danny included, was a resident of what I'm beginning to believe is one of the most abusive programs around. Stop acting like you are still in the program and all of you, including those of us on the outiside who are egging on the combatants, need to start working together (Me, Joel, and a few others... you know who you are.).

    I'll do it if yall will do it.

    If not, well I have my ignore button as well.

    Chill the fuck out and remember that there are kids still in Elan who need our help.

    That's a damn important responsibility because united we might just be able to save a couple of them. Never a certainty, but definitely nothing is going to happen the way people are carrying on now.


    So bury the hatchets people, just no in each other's back.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: SEKTO on March 27, 2010, 11:07:06 PM
    When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Do you see what I am driving at?

    In other words, a lot of times people who leave high control groups (and this particularly happens with people who were part of leadership in their group) still behave as if they are still in the group when interacting with others in another group situation, regardless of whether that kind of behavior is appropriate in the new situational context.

    That is what I see Shamrock doing; he's behaving in this situation and in this context as if he is still in his old group.  He's translating his position as a "leader" in his old group, into this situation and it's not appropriate for him to do so.

    That is what I see most of the Elanites doing; they are behaving this situational context as if you are still in their old group, namely Elan.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Che Gookin on March 27, 2010, 11:11:54 PM
    Yeah, called it bro.
    Quote
    Stop acting like you are still in the program
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: SEKTO on March 27, 2010, 11:12:56 PM
    Am I wrong?
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Che Gookin on March 27, 2010, 11:15:45 PM
    Nah, not wrong, I just pointed out I acknowledged your thinking my last post. I agree with what you are saying, I've been there myself with trying to control situations. It gets under your skin and you have to really work at giving up the power. Once you've figured out how to do that, it gets easier.


    And here are my few thoughts on what I believe is a huge cop out (i hate using the term as well, but it fits the foot so.. bleh). The cop out in question is blaming this all on the program.

    I mean wtf...

    We are all adults.

    ACT like it.

    and notice I didn't exclude myself from that either.

    Come on people.. pull together and remember there is far more here at stake than your e-peen.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: SEKTO on March 27, 2010, 11:24:12 PM
    Though I am the first to acknowledge that psychological trauma incurred through program abuse (or any abuse, for that matter) seriously undermines one's ability to make healthy and constructive decisions, I also say that hell no, one can't blame everything on their program, whatever program it was.  Life is about choices, and taking responsibility for them.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 28, 2010, 12:54:31 AM
    Quote from: "bossybee39"
    How the hell do we waste so much time on Danny Bennison when there is much to discuss everywhere else. I cant follow this constant daily Danny fiesta and try to gain any accomplishment elsewhere. There is much to do right now and basically I am getting to the point of saying fuck fornits because this is fucken crazy daily bullshit that is out of control. Hell I got a life cant come on here once in awhile to not do anything productive. We already established how we feel about Danny, so lets roll off this please...omfg I cant take the art and danny bullshit anymore guys. Who really fucken cares. :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  they r purposely wasting my time

     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Sharon can we stop, take a break, catch our breath and put off any more pleasantries for another time, what do you think.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 28, 2010, 01:16:17 AM
    Quote from: "SEKTO"
    Quote
    When people pretty much completely stop posting because of the excess of trolling, what is effectively happening is that he (the troll) is moderating the ability of others to post. This is hardly in the spirit of the forum.

    Free speech gives one the right to say whatever one wants; it does not give one the right to say anything one wants, wherever one wants to say it.

    IMO it's about time that fornits was much better moderated.  There have got to be some kind of rules, standards.  

    Without these, it's just one big trollfest and fornits turns into a farce.  Again, just my opinion.

     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    SEKTO
    Most of this message you have posted here is from your disdain for the offender as "YOU SEE IT". Free speech is especially important in this circumstance, it allows the parties to express all of their emotions.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Che Gookin on March 28, 2010, 01:29:53 AM
    Quote from: "SEKTO"
    Though I am the first to acknowledge that psychological trauma incurred through program abuse (or any abuse, for that matter) seriously undermines one's ability to make healthy and constructive decisions, I also say that hell no, one can't blame everything on their program, whatever program it was.  Life is about choices, and taking responsibility for them.

    True that player...

    And I'm loving how some of the instigators of this shit are playing the victim. Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame.
     
    :suicide:
    Quote
    Sharon can we stop, take a break, catch our breath and put off any more pleasantries for another time, what do you think.
    Danny

    There is no need for compromise here Danny, you just need to do this for your own good, and not worry or think about Sharon.

    Quote
    SEKTO
    Most of this message you have posted here is from your disdain for the offender as "YOU SEE IT". Free speech is especially important in this circumstance, it allows the parties to express all of their emotions.
    Danny

    So free speech is what you've been calling this muddle? I call it actively aiding and abetting Elan in their sick work.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Anonymous on March 28, 2010, 01:32:00 AM
    99
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 28, 2010, 01:37:15 AM
    Quote from: "SEKTO"
    When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Do you see what I am driving at?

    In other words, a lot of times people who leave high control groups (and this particularly happens with people who were part of leadership in their group) still behave as if they are still in the group when interacting with others in another group situation, regardless of whether that kind of behavior is appropriate in the new situational context.

    That is what I see Shamrock doing; he's behaving in this situation and in this context as if he is still in his old group.  He's translating his position as a "leader" in his old group, into this situation and it's not appropriate for him to do so.

    That is what I see most of the Elanites doing; they are behaving this situational context as if you are still in their old group, namely Elan.

     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Interesting point Sekto, but I don't think what I am doing is actually translating Elan as it is more translating my 28 years of being in business and having 75 or more employees. SEKTO we can be on this site and be caught up in this world so much that all we see is program. I am not living in the past or playing a part here or outside of here. I know you are very involved in your studies but hold on here a minute. Maybe there are folks that are trapped in a time warp constantly, others for a brief time. I do think I found myself fighting for my survival, feeling like I could not breath. This anger and need to engage has been a constant red flag for me.
    I just wanted everyone to be accountable for there part, validation.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 28, 2010, 01:41:04 AM
    Quote from: "Che Gookin"
    Quote from: "SEKTO"
    Though I am the first to acknowledge that psychological trauma incurred through program abuse (or any abuse, for that matter) seriously undermines one's ability to make healthy and constructive decisions, I also say that hell no, one can't blame everything on their program, whatever program it was.  Life is about choices, and taking responsibility for them.

    True that player...

    And I'm loving how some of the instigators of this shit are playing the victim. Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame.
     
    :suicide:
    Quote
    Sharon can we stop, take a break, catch our breath and put off any more pleasantries for another time, what do you think.
    Danny

    There is no need for compromise here Danny, you just need to do this for your own good, and not worry or think about Sharon.

    Quote
    SEKTO
    Most of this message you have posted here is from your disdain for the offender as "YOU SEE IT". Free speech is especially important in this circumstance, it allows the parties to express all of their emotions.
    Danny

    So free speech is what you've been calling this muddle? I call it actively aiding and abetting Elan in their sick work.

     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Well it sounded good when I wrote it, but now...LMAO... :beat:
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: karen p on March 28, 2010, 01:59:58 AM
    :tup:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Ursus on March 28, 2010, 02:06:24 AM
    Quote from: "SEKTO"
    Quote
    When people pretty much completely stop posting because of the excess of trolling, what is effectively happening is that he (the troll) is moderating the ability of others to post. This is hardly in the spirit of the forum.
    Free speech gives one the right to say whatever one wants; it does not give one the right to say anything one wants, wherever one wants to say it.

    IMO it's about time that fornits was much better moderated.  There have got to be some kind of rules, standards.  

    Without these, it's just one big trollfest and fornits turns into a farce.  Again, just my opinion.
    I think you are taking that quote out of context. It came about when fornits was experiencing some pretty extraordinary trolling conditions which do not, imho, currently apply (at least as of yet).

    At the time, it was well nigh impossible - for major portions of the day - to find a single solitary thread on the first page of the active topics thread which did not end with a most recent post containing the highly edifying content of the word "FUCK" repeated for several screenfuls. Or several hundred emoticons, complete with motion, which slowed the page loading for those with less than broadband conditions. Or repeated pics of Hitler and/or Mussolini, I think the specs were at least 1000px wide. Or seemingly endless program copypasta. Let us not forget the explicit depictions of fornication and various debasing poses of men, women, and assorted other mammals.

    There was not exactly much content there, to put it mildly, that one could even respond to, discuss, or debate. And this had been going on for several months. It was a flood of trolling. Extraordinary measures were called for. Preferably for as little time as possible, imho.

    This is not what we are dealing with now.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on March 28, 2010, 03:24:43 AM
    Ursus ,,,I'm not sure what you mean this is not what we are dealing with now .

    I  am tired of having to explain or talk about the facts again. I choose to live my life after elan as an honest ,good , productive man of society. I don't blame elan or its henchmen for that or give elan or its henchmen credits for that . I choose to be that person because of me .

    I could have believed what elan told me  (then)that I was a horrible person , liar. sick, instigator, manipulator , and that people did not like me, and ALL the nonsense  and out right lies that have  been slammed in my face in the past 3 weeks( by someone who did not know me then and has no clue as to who I am now),and if I had believed that (what elan told me ) then I would have been dead a long time ago.

    I  choose life and I don't live in the past no matter how hard some one tries to take me there. Just not gonna happen, I love life and my world too much to even be thinking about buying that ticket. The world I know ,elan, I left many ,many years ago. When I step to the edge and I look down at that world that I know ,elan (by way of the memories that I carry in my mind ) yeah it moves me .

    I learned long ago to put elan in its proper perspective  and no longer associate the intense emotionallity that I use to with those memories. that is not to say that the world that I know of elan doesn't make me sad it does. It just doesn't prevent me from talking about elan with the clarity and factuality , that an emotionally clouded mind wouldn't be able to do.

    No I left elan a long time ago ,the memories of that world I know (elan) I will carry with me forever .

    And yes I hold elan responsible for what happened in elan , If it had been a caring, had real psychiatrists and doctors trained in abused children's issues, non bazarre , not cruel ,not twisted , had a  compassionate  way of dealing with people, and allowed people to feel safe then , I would never have attempted suicide nor would I have felt the need to assault another resident. Damn right elan is resposible for what went on in that insane hellhole.

    And if it had been that type of caring place elan would have never had to try to keep the truth about what was going on in there from the public eye, which it still tries to do today as evidenced by what has transpired over the past three weeks.

    No elan wasn't  a safe  healthy enviorment for any human being . The world that I know as elan was a cruel , sick , twisted ,painful , and criminally insane practices went on in there in the guise of therapy. Yeah I have trust issues from elan ,thats my problem , I know where it came from but ,I can't blame elan for that , it is my problem .

    I choose to deal with trust issues my way. If I let you in the world that I live in now which is full of love , and happiness and you prove to me that I can't trust you . well thats it , you aren't part of my world anymore.And as hard as you pound on my door to come back in again , it is simply not going to open again for you. You have proven to me that I can't trust you.

    I have lots of people in my world that I know and trust .

    If some one trust me, with something they can take it to the bank that I am with them and can be trusted by them. I expect the same from myself as I would of them.

    Any way I seriously digress , Ursus  the past three weeks I have felt that if I posted anything contrary to someones belief (no matter how gentle I went about it) about elan ,AA my experiences in elan, any facts about  the program, and the fact that I survivied the program , that the program was going to do anything in its power  (personal attacks and threats)to try to attack my credibility, and survivourship (that I own) of that place. And I find that dispicable,and those are my feelings on the  matter.

    I don't consider myself to be elan's cream of the crop...but I will work for beggars pay to learn a way to sink that ship of fools on a cruel sea. elan and its henchmen , in my opinion have aided and abetted elan in running a continueing criminal enterprise for over 36 years, they do  anything in their power to keep its horrible secrets from seeing the light of day, and to keep on keeping on.

    Peace

    Matt
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Inculcated on March 28, 2010, 03:42:36 AM
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    Quote from: "SEKTO"
    Quote
    When people pretty much completely stop posting because of the excess of trolling, what is effectively happening is that he (the troll) is moderating the ability of others to post. This is hardly in the spirit of the forum.
    Free speech gives one the right to say whatever one wants; it does not give one the right to say anything one wants, wherever one wants to say it.

    IMO it's about time that fornits was much better moderated.  There have got to be some kind of rules, standards.  

    Without these, it's just one big trollfest and fornits turns into a farce.  Again, just my opinion.
    I think you are taking that quote out of context. It came about when fornits was experiencing some pretty extraordinary trolling conditions which do not, imho, currently apply (at least as of yet).

    At the time, it was well nigh impossible - for major portions of the day - to find a single solitary thread on the first page of the active topics thread which did not end with a most recent post containing the highly edifying content of the word "FUCK" repeated for several screenfuls. Or several hundred emoticons, complete with motion, which slowed the page loading for those with less than broadband conditions. Or repeated pics of Hitler and/or Mussolini, I think the specs were at least 1000px wide. Or seemingly endless program copypasta. Let us not forget the explicit depictions of fornication and various debasing poses of men, women, and assorted other mammals.

    There was not exactly much content there, to put it mildly, that one could even respond to, discuss, or debate. And this had been going on for several months. It was a flood of trolling. Extraordinary measures were called for. Preferably for as little time as possible, imho.

    This is not what we are dealing with now.
    Ursus,
    I disagree. The rules and policies (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=29887&p=356416#p356416) (posted by Administrators) cover very six very specific points that cover more than simply flooding.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on March 28, 2010, 03:48:53 AM
    Some one please tell me what does IMHO mean ...I for the life of me can;t figure that out .

    Thanks
    Title: Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
    Post by: Joel on March 28, 2010, 04:19:32 AM
    Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Che Gookin on March 28, 2010, 05:22:38 AM
    Inculated:

    If we go that road we better ban Mark Babitz and Cleveland Steamer (plus his four other or so accounts) as well. Banning people isn't going to help anyone. We've tried it here before and it didn't do a lick of good.


    And Matt, Anyone who considers themselves the cream of the crop of Elan ought to check themselves out in the mirror. That's like saying you are "King Shit on Turd Island".  You'll never see me lining up for that dubious honor.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Ursus on March 28, 2010, 09:20:10 AM
    Quote from: "Inculcated"
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    Quote from: "SEKTO"
    Quote
    When people pretty much completely stop posting because of the excess of trolling, what is effectively happening is that he (the troll) is moderating the ability of others to post. This is hardly in the spirit of the forum.
    Free speech gives one the right to say whatever one wants; it does not give one the right to say anything one wants, wherever one wants to say it.

    IMO it's about time that fornits was much better moderated.  There have got to be some kind of rules, standards.  

    Without these, it's just one big trollfest and fornits turns into a farce.  Again, just my opinion.
    I think you are taking that quote out of context. It came about when fornits was experiencing some pretty extraordinary trolling conditions which do not, imho, currently apply (at least as of yet).

    At the time, it was well nigh impossible - for major portions of the day - to find a single solitary thread on the first page of the active topics thread which did not end with a most recent post containing the highly edifying content of the word "FUCK" repeated for several screenfuls. Or several hundred emoticons, complete with motion, which slowed the page loading for those with less than broadband conditions. Or repeated pics of Hitler and/or Mussolini, I think the specs were at least 1000px wide. Or seemingly endless program copypasta. Let us not forget the explicit depictions of fornication and various debasing poses of men, women, and assorted other mammals.

    There was not exactly much content there, to put it mildly, that one could even respond to, discuss, or debate. And this had been going on for several months. It was a flood of trolling. Extraordinary measures were called for. Preferably for as little time as possible, imho.

    This is not what we are dealing with now.
    Ursus,
    I disagree. The rules and policies (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=29887&p=356416#p356416) (posted by Administrators) cover very six very specific points that cover more than simply flooding.
    The original context of the quote specifically addressed flooding, and flooding alone.

    Moreover, I do think those "rules" are more or less unenforceable, for all practical purposes.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: SEKTO on March 28, 2010, 09:52:11 AM
    Quote
    Moreover, I do think those "rules" are more or less unenforceable, for all practical purposes.

    Why are the rules unenforceable?  

    To me, it's very simple, very black and white: somebody reads the forum rules.  If a person can follow the rules, then they can participate.  If they cannot, then they get a few warnings, and if they STILL cannot follow the rules, then they get banned.  

    We're trying to have an intelligent conversation about the TPI here, at least most of us are.  This is not the online equivalent of The Jerry Springer Show.

    You might find the ongoing fracas really amusing, and maybe even entertaining, Ursus.  

    But most of the rest of us find it really annoying, and at this point more and more participants (actual and potential) are choosing to "tune out."

    Fornits loses a lot of people for the simple reason that it's so poorly monitored and moderated.  Rather than sit back and complain, I for one am trying to do something to change that.

    I'd be willing to bet you that for every one new and legitimate poster who comes here looking for discussion, networking with other program survivors, and support (after all, that's why I started posting to fornits) there are ten who look at the melee and trolling and choose not to post at all.  And then the whole purpose of this place has been defeated.  

    Let's change a couple of words in that original quote, and maybe then you'll see my point more clearly.

    Quote
    When people pretty much completely stop posting because of the excesses of a certain belligerent Irish bully, what is effectively happening is that he (the bully) is moderating the ability of others to post. This is hardly in the spirit of the forum.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on March 28, 2010, 10:08:58 AM
    Hi Aaron ,

    LOL ,the cream of the crop   LOL   was what a group of us were called on facebook recently.... the folks that have been trying to expose that hellhole and possibly shut it down  are supposedly the cream of the crop...,

     No Aaron I certianly don't want that doubious honor placed on my head, by a person IMHO that tries to run the program on fornits, and facebook, again in my opinion.

    I said my piece on a post that ,Aaron is pulling the cream of of the crop from .... I said my piece as to how the past 3 plus weeks has made me feel.

    Has anyone read Lord of the Flies?

    Peace

    Matt
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: SEKTO on March 28, 2010, 10:11:27 AM
    Kill the beast! Cut his throat! Spill his blood!
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 28, 2010, 10:37:44 AM
    Quote from: "SEKTO"
    Quote
    Moreover, I do think those "rules" are more or less unenforceable, for all practical purposes.

    Why are the rules unenforceable?  

    To me, it's very simple, very black and white: somebody reads the forum rules.  If a person can follow the rules, then they can participate.  If they cannot, then they get a few warnings, and if they STILL cannot follow the rules, then they get banned.  

    We're trying to have an intelligent conversation about the TPI here, at least most of us are.  This is not the online equivalent of The Jerry Springer Show.

    You might find the ongoing fracas really amusing, and maybe even entertaining, Ursus.  

    But most of the rest of us find it really annoying, and at this point more and more participants (actual and potential) are choosing to "tune out."

    Fornits loses a lot of people for the simple reason that it's so poorly monitored and moderated.

    I'd be willing to bet you that for every one new and legitimate poster who comes here looking for discussion, networking with other program survivors, and support (after all, that's why I started posting to fornits) there are ten who look at the melee and trolling and choose not to post at all.  And then the whole purpose of this place has been defeated.  

    Let's change a couple of words in that original quote, and maybe then you'll see my point more clearly.

    Quote
    When people pretty much completely stop posting because of the excesses of a certain belligerent Irish bully, what is effectively happening is that he (the bully) is moderating the ability of others to post. This is hardly in the spirit of the forum.
    :jawdrop:  I dont see were the conversation on this or any other thread stops any of you from posting, I am responding to your post.as a matter of fact. I agree that some of the arguments get loud, but they do burn them selfs out without any help from the peanut gallery.The thing I have had with the Seymours burned itself out.I think and can see from thier last post Joel and AAron are done fighting. Who won ?? Well it wasnt a competition no one did, Just some views got shot around.But all of us are ok and maybe grew from the experience. Everyone here is an adult and dont need a den mother to watch us.The views on this thread are at 5600.and post are 421.page has been around since Jan 17th 2010 and all of the threads we post on have unbelievable numbers and posts.Thats almost 1900 views a month  63 per day. You folks need a math class.Its called open free for all, and that what it is.The free for all. get all 3 of your attention and posts.Even your view points are listen too.There are plenty of pages on this site to go and hug trees and talk about stuff that doesnt concern any of you . And run around talking about changing the mental health world,etc. we all have our dreams and hopes.But arguments are real and deal with real changeable things.I think that if someone doesnt like what they read move the fuck on .Dont try and sensor or direct.,you wouldnt want anyone to do that to you when your posting bull-shit to bull-shit, Talking about thing that will never change or something that has no pertinence to the topic. No one follows any of you around  judging or criticizing your posts. Because no one cares what any of you post, the adults here relies and respect thats your opinion. Maybe not agree but non the less dont throw their two cents in. Perhaps thats something you persecutors of free speech should look at and do. After all your doing the complaining on a thread that has more views  and actively than most of anything going on here.No Free For All is a huge success, and draws the numbers. Trolls go both ways, read the definition   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)). And your posting stop the fighting on a basic fight page AKA Free For All your trolling. What you are posting is off topic on this page.This page and the free for all pages are for saying whats on your mind, There are plenty of spots on this fourm to behave yourself, thats why some of us come here , because we want to. Thats why the numbers are off the chart. it causes entertainment and great info about Elan and our goals to shut it down.There is infinite space on the internet,So these few threads dont take up much room in the big picture, nor are any of the complainers forced to read them or given no choice because its the only thing to read.So If some body doesnt like the post move on,but I know from the proof of numbers you will still tune in to see whats next .A person cant help it it is fun and entertaining. and in the middle are some good lessons and info about Elan and life.Your just reading the highlights not everything in the tread, but thats why all  of you are  for, are the highlights, they are the most fun I agree. :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Ursus on March 28, 2010, 10:47:29 AM
    Quote from: "Matt C. Hoffman"
    Ursus ,,,I'm not sure what you mean this is not what we are dealing with now .
    I mean that we are not dealing with a flooding situation, where it is damned difficult to even physically find the threads and posts ya want to respond to, for the load of chaff at the forefront. And that this had been going on for months, and that all other less intrusive and more mediating-type methods had failed to stem that tide.

    Quote from: "Matt C. Hoffman"
    Ursus  the past three weeks I have felt that if I posted anything contrary to someones belief (no matter how gentle I went about it) about elan ,AA my experiences in elan, any facts about  the program, and the fact that I survivied the program , that the program was going to do anything in its power  (personal attacks and threats)to try to attack my credibility, and survivourship (that I own) of that place. And I find that dispicable,and those are my feelings on the  matter.
    And you've been doing a fantastic job! I personally find your posts both eloquent and compelling.

    But how can someone disagreeing with you possibly undermine that? Let alone someone who consistently communicates with gutter-level ad hominems, incoherent rantings, and yet with such a clear agenda. Can you not see how that looks to any sane person reading this board?
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on March 28, 2010, 11:12:01 AM
    Ursus,

    I understand your point now  about the flooding .

    And as to be able to undermine my credibility or how I conduct my self or my life, and my beliefs and convictions  . You are right if I step back and look at the big picture .... Ok I see that ....and you are right , it can't be done .....

    I guess when the agenda reaches out and slaps the living daylights out of you , it is hard not to respond , and God forbid if you do, because here, comes the back slap and on and on it will go. It is a wonder that I have any tongue left in my head from biting it (lol) .

    I reckon I'm human  , clear agenda or not , attacks hurt , and they cause pain ..no matter how laughable they are.

    And there in lies the distraction. which does nothing to expose and shutdown elan..... or does it?  Hmm.

    Sane readers  ,I reckon I forgot about  those folks , forgive me please.

    Matt
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Ursus on March 28, 2010, 11:16:56 AM
    Quote from: "mark babitz"
    :jawdrop:  I dont see were the conversation on this or any other thread stops any of you from posting, I am responding to your post.as a matter of fact. I agree that some of the arguments get loud, but they do burn them selfs out without any help from the peanut gallery.The thing I have had with the Seymours burned itself out.I think and can see from thier last post Joel and AAron are done fighting. Who won ?? Well it wasnt a competition no one did, Just some views got shot around.But all of us are ok and maybe grew from the experience. Everyone here is an adult and dont need a den mother to watch us.
    :tup: I agree.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 28, 2010, 11:33:01 AM
    Quote from: "Inculcated"
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    Quote from: "SEKTO"
    Quote
    When people pretty much completely stop posting because of the excess of trolling, what is effectively happening is that he (the troll) is moderating the ability of others to post. This is hardly in the spirit of the forum.
    Free speech gives one the right to say whatever one wants; it does not give one the right to say anything one wants, wherever one wants to say it.

    IMO it's about time that fornits was much better moderated.  There have got to be some kind of rules, standards.  

    Without these, it's just one big trollfest and fornits turns into a farce.  Again, just my opinion.
    I think you are taking that quote out of context. It came about when fornits was experiencing some pretty extraordinary trolling conditions which do not, imho, currently apply (at least as of yet).

    At the time, it was well nigh impossible - for major portions of the day - to find a single solitary thread on the first page of the active topics thread which did not end with a most recent post containing the highly edifying content of the word "FUCK" repeated for several screenfuls. Or several hundred emoticons, complete with motion, which slowed the page loading for those with less than broadband conditions. Or repeated pics of Hitler and/or Mussolini, I think the specs were at least 1000px wide. Or seemingly endless program copypasta. Let us not forget the explicit depictions of fornication and various debasing poses of men, women, and assorted other mammals.

    There was not exactly much content there, to put it mildly, that one could even respond to, discuss, or debate. And this had been going on for several months. It was a flood of trolling. Extraordinary measures were called for. Preferably for as little time as possible, imho.

    This is not what we are dealing with now.
    Ursus,
    I disagree. The rules and policies (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=29887&p=356416#p356416) (posted by Administrators) cover very six very specific points that cover more than simply flooding.

     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    You folks Inculcate, Ursus and SEKTO have never really had a direct full frontal attack on you personally before that is very obvious, welcome to the world of Che, Ginger, Psy, Whooter Myself and others that have been personally attacked, now you know how it feels it truly gets inside your bones Inculcate, what I have been receiving on almost a daily bases either on this site or other sites. The constant harassment in one way or another. Termites constantly gnawing at your patience's.
    Now that you folks feel outraged well, we must change this or that, "where were you for me", (yes I will go there) when I was getting my ass kicked, Inculcate, where, please tell me and all of us. I felt no support from you at all. My moderater!!!!!!!!!
    Yes I have some very bad blood that will take time for me to get over but listening to you explain this situation, I apologize just makes me want to vomit.
    Danny..........My first reaction of the day, maybe I will get better.

    danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Ursus on March 28, 2010, 11:34:07 AM
    Quote from: "Matt C. Hoffman"
    And there in lies the distraction. which does nothing to expose and shutdown elan..... or does it? Hmm.

    Sane readers ,I reckon I forgot about those folks , forgive me please.
    :notworthy: :notworthy:  :notworthy:





    Need I say more?  :D
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 28, 2010, 11:51:02 AM
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    Quote from: "Matt C. Hoffman"
    Ursus ,,,I'm not sure what you mean this is not what we are dealing with now .
    I mean that we are not dealing with a flooding situation, where it is damned difficult to even physically find the threads and posts ya want to respond to, for the load of chaff at the forefront. And that this had been going on for months, and that all other less intrusive and more mediating-type methods had failed to stem that tide.

    Quote from: "Matt C. Hoffman"
    Ursus  the past three weeks I have felt that if I posted anything contrary to someones belief (no matter how gentle I went about it) about elan ,AA my experiences in elan, any facts about  the program, and the fact that I survivied the program , that the program was going to do anything in its power  (personal attacks and threats)to try to attack my credibility, and survivourship (that I own) of that place. And I find that dispicable,and those are my feelings on the  matter.
    And you've been doing a fantastic job! I personally find your posts both eloquent and compelling.

    But how can someone disagreeing with you possibly undermine that? Let alone someone who consistently communicates with gutter-level ad hominems, incoherent rantings, and yet with such a clear agenda. Can you not see how that looks to any sane person reading this board?


     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Danny spoke:
    There is my Mod again on a moderated forum showing his favoritism again, just can't be objective can you, you can't even fake it. I guess you did not get the FYI from your boss, to stop antagonizing, did you Ursus or maybe you just chose to not listen.
    Ursus you are antagonizing a already explosive situation, anytime you want to act like a Mod, that would be nice.

    Ursus spoke:
    "But how can someone disagreeing with you possibly undermine that? Let alone someone who consistently communicates with gutter-level ad hominems, incoherent rantings, and yet with such a clear agenda. Can you not see how that looks to any sane person reading this board?[/quote]"

    Danny spoke:
    This is your way of "Flaming" my friend and you know it.....Stop. Or we will just resume yesterday (all over again) because then obviously you still want to attack me on here.
    I guess dragging around a girl by a car does not constitute "gutter-level ad hominems" does it.
    Or is that not in line with your and your partners (Inculcate) agenda.
    Do me a personal favor act like you have some sense please and stop cleverly "Flaming" on your own forum.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 28, 2010, 12:03:49 PM
    Quote from: "Inculcated"
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    Quote from: "SEKTO"
    Quote
    When people pretty much completely stop posting because of the excess of trolling, what is effectively happening is that he (the troll) is moderating the ability of others to post. This is hardly in the spirit of the forum.
    Free speech gives one the right to say whatever one wants; it does not give one the right to say anything one wants, wherever one wants to say it.

    IMO it's about time that fornits was much better moderated.  There have got to be some kind of rules, standards.  

    Without these, it's just one big trollfest and fornits turns into a farce.  Again, just my opinion.
    I think you are taking that quote out of context. It came about when fornits was experiencing some pretty extraordinary trolling conditions which do not, imho, currently apply (at least as of yet).

    At the time, it was well nigh impossible - for major portions of the day - to find a single solitary thread on the first page of the active topics thread which did not end with a most recent post containing the highly edifying content of the word "FUCK" repeated for several screenfuls. Or several hundred emoticons, complete with motion, which slowed the page loading for those with less than broadband conditions. Or repeated pics of Hitler and/or Mussolini, I think the specs were at least 1000px wide. Or seemingly endless program copypasta. Let us not forget the explicit depictions of fornication and various debasing poses of men, women, and assorted other mammals.

    There was not exactly much content there, to put it mildly, that one could even respond to, discuss, or debate. And this had been going on for several months. It was a flood of trolling. Extraordinary measures were called for. Preferably for as little time as possible, imho.

    This is not what we are dealing with now.[/quote
    Ursus,
    I disagree. The rules and policies (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=29887&p=356416#p356416) (posted by Administrators) cover very six very specific points that cover more than simply flooding.




    :shamrock: :shamrock:

    Inculcate spoke:
    Ursus,
    I disagree. The rules and policies (posted by Administrators) cover very six very specific points that cover more than simply flooding.

    Danny speaks:
    Nice try again little one, your emotions are way out in front of your common sense. Read the rules again. You EGO has got to be tamed, really. Your a suedo intellectual, please take care of your ego. It is clouding your ability to moderate objectively.

    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Ursus on March 28, 2010, 12:19:29 PM
    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    Quote from: "Matt C. Hoffman"
    Ursus ,,,I'm not sure what you mean this is not what we are dealing with now .
    I mean that we are not dealing with a flooding situation, where it is damned difficult to even physically find the threads and posts ya want to respond to, for the load of chaff at the forefront. And that this had been going on for months, and that all other less intrusive and more mediating-type methods had failed to stem that tide.

    Quote from: "Matt C. Hoffman"
    Ursus  the past three weeks I have felt that if I posted anything contrary to someones belief (no matter how gentle I went about it) about elan ,AA my experiences in elan, any facts about  the program, and the fact that I survivied the program , that the program was going to do anything in its power  (personal attacks and threats)to try to attack my credibility, and survivourship (that I own) of that place. And I find that dispicable,and those are my feelings on the  matter.
    And you've been doing a fantastic job! I personally find your posts both eloquent and compelling.

    But how can someone disagreeing with you possibly undermine that? Let alone someone who consistently communicates with gutter-level ad hominems, incoherent rantings, and yet with such a clear agenda. Can you not see how that looks to any sane person reading this board?
    :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Danny spoke:
    There is my Mod again on a moderated forum showing his favoritism again, just can't be objective can you, you can't even fake it. I guess you did not get the FYI from your boss, to stop antagonizing, did you Ursus or maybe you just chose to not listen.
    Ursus you are antagonizing a already explosive situation, anytime you want to act like a Mod, that would be nice.
    1. The Open Free For All is NOT a moderated forum.
    2. With all due respect, please explain how I am antagonizing here.

    Quote from: "DannyB II"
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    But how can someone disagreeing with you possibly undermine that? Let alone someone who consistently communicates with gutter-level ad hominems, incoherent rantings, and yet with such a clear agenda. Can you not see how that looks to any sane person reading this board?
    Danny spoke:
    This is your way of "Flaming" my friend and you know it.....Stop. Or we will just resume yesterday (all over again) because then obviously you still want to attack me on here.
    I guess dragging around a girl by a car does not constitute "gutter-level ad hominems" does it.
    Or is that not in line with your and your partners (Inculcate) agenda.
    Do me a personal favor act like you have some sense please and stop cleverly "Flaming" on your own forum.
    3. With all due respect, please explain how I am flaming here, and how that constitutes "flaming" on an unmoderated forum.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 28, 2010, 12:38:39 PM
    Well I woke up this morning thinking we were turning a new page but I guess not because two moderators had been discrediting me and trying to ban me from a forum. How nice.
    Lets just go and antagonize a situation that has been out of control all week.
    Guys I have asked you two Incucate and Ursus to leave me alone all week, I thought as moderators you could see the value in doing this. Not so.
    It is Sunday and you are pissing me off, bad Karma.
    Listen please listen, I do not care about the Elan Forum, ban me or whatever so long as it shuts Inculcates mouth up, Ursus get off whatever you have to today, then be done with it.
    I'm sure you got the FYI from the boss like I did, MOVE ON. If you and Matt want to talk PM one another, that is just common sense. In this transition period keep your comments to yourself about me as I will also. Transition from insanity back to sane.
    If you two have not the maturity and vision to do this fine, then just say so now. Then at least other arrangements can be made to help this transition. In my mind after reading what the boss said, then after getting off what I needed to, I am now moving forward.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on March 28, 2010, 01:31:22 PM
    Ursus stated " Need I say more? " :D[/quote]








             Touche
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Antigen on March 28, 2010, 03:00:40 PM
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    The original context of the quote specifically addressed flooding, and flooding alone.

    Moreover, I do think those "rules" are more or less unenforceable, for all practical purposes.

    I'm thinking that too. The main problem with declaring a rule against things like personal attacks is that perception of a personal attack is extremely subjective. Especially in this context because there are so many inside references going back to traumatic events of the past.
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: Ursus on March 28, 2010, 03:12:51 PM
    Quote from: "SEKTO"
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    Moreover, I do think those "rules" are more or less unenforceable, for all practical purposes.
    Why are the rules unenforceable?

    Because they are subject to personal interpretation, which includes personal bias. Perhaps like this:
    Quote from: "SEKTO"
    Kill the beast! Cut his throat! Spill his blood!
    [/list][/list]

    Quote from: "SEKTO"
    To me, it's very simple, very black and white: somebody reads the forum rules.  If a person can follow the rules, then they can participate.  If they cannot, then they get a few warnings, and if they STILL cannot follow the rules, then they get banned.  

    We're trying to have an intelligent conversation about the TPI here, at least most of us are.  This is not the online equivalent of The Jerry Springer Show.
    At the top of every single page on fornits is the following description:

    Fornits Home for Wayward Web Fora
    An open discussion about the troubled parent industry
    [/list]
    How can you have an "open discussion" if not everyone is allowed to participate?

    It's only like The Jerry Springer Show if everyone acts like a nut case. Are you saying that survivors of institutionalized child abuse are incapable of not acting like nut cases?

    Quote from: "SEKTO"
    You might find the ongoing fracas really amusing, and maybe even entertaining, Ursus.  

    But most of the rest of us find it really annoying, and at this point more and more participants (actual and potential) are choosing to "tune out."

    Fornits loses a lot of people for the simple reason that it's so poorly monitored and moderated.  Rather than sit back and complain, I for one am trying to do something to change that.

    I'd be willing to bet you that for every one new and legitimate poster who comes here looking for discussion, networking with other program survivors, and support (after all, that's why I started posting to fornits) there are ten who look at the melee and trolling and choose not to post at all.  And then the whole purpose of this place has been defeated.
     
    But, I bet they sure as hell read it!  :D

    I get what you're saying Sekto, but it's a double-edged sword. I think once you censor and moderate with too heavy a hand, there's an awful lot that gets left unsaid. I think you also run the risk of the discussion becoming too one-sided. At which point the true underbelly of the beast never gets seen, save by those who already know it all too well.

    Just my opinion, fwiw...
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 28, 2010, 03:24:24 PM
    Quote from: "SEKTO"
    Quote
    Moreover, I do think those "rules" are more or less unenforceable, for all practical purposes.

    Why are the rules unenforceable?  

    To me, it's very simple, very black and white: somebody reads the forum rules.  If a person can follow the rules, then they can participate.  If they cannot, then they get a few warnings, and if they STILL cannot follow the rules, then they get banned.  

    We're trying to have an intelligent conversation about the TPI here, at least most of us are.  This is not the online equivalent of The Jerry Springer Show.

    You might find the ongoing fracas really amusing, and maybe even entertaining, Ursus.  

    But most of the rest of us find it really annoying, and at this point more and more participants (actual and potential) are choosing to "tune out."

    Fornits loses a lot of people for the simple reason that it's so poorly monitored and moderated.  Rather than sit back and complain, I for one am trying to do something to change that.

    I'd be willing to bet you that for every one new and legitimate poster who comes here looking for discussion, networking with other program survivors, and support (after all, that's why I started posting to fornits) there are ten who look at the melee and trolling and choose not to post at all.  And then the whole purpose of this place has been defeated.  

    Let's change a couple of words in that original quote, and maybe then you'll see my point more clearly.

    Quote
    When people pretty much completely stop posting because of the excesses of a certain belligerent Irish bully, what is effectively happening is that he (the bully) is moderating the ability of others to post. This is hardly in the spirit of the forum.

     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    Sekto,
    If your going to continue to talk about me, as you said you would not, at least acknowledge me.
    No one has gone anywhere, do a survey and we have just as much posting as any other week, if not more with this fracas. Please lets stay away from all the emotion and state facts.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: DannyB II on March 28, 2010, 03:30:25 PM
    Quote from: "Matt C. Hoffman"
    Hi Aaron ,

    LOL ,the cream of the crop   LOL   was what a group of us were called on facebook recently.... the folks that have been trying to expose that hellhole and possibly shut it down  are supposedly the cream of the crop...,

     No Aaron I certianly don't want that doubious honor placed on my head, by a person IMHO that tries to run the program on fornits, and facebook, again in my opinion.

    I said my piece on a post that ,Aaron is pulling the cream of of the crop from .... I said my piece as to how the past 3 plus weeks has made me feel.

    Has anyone read Lord of the Flies?

    Peace

    Matt

     :shamrock:  :shamrock:
    I don't see it and maybe one day you will be able to explain it to me in rational terms, but how do you see by what you have done to ex-Elan folk as trying to shut down Elan. You live in Virginia take your butt up to Maine check it out yourself, get a little dirty, go to the racetrack, get a investigator. Then tells us how your trying to shut down Elan.
    Lets pool money and hire a investigator, I mentioned this many times. Posting this light weight mumbo jumbo hasn't done anything in 10 years.
    Danny
    Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
    Post by: mark babitz on March 28, 2010, 03:42:29 PM
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    Quote from: "SEKTO"
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    Moreover, I do think those "rules" are more or less unenforceable, for all practical purposes.
    Why are the rules unenforceable?

    Because they are subject to personal interpretation, which includes personal bias. Perhaps like this:
      Quote from: "SEKTO"
      Kill the beast! Cut his throat! Spill his blood!
      [/list][/list]

      Quote from: "SEKTO"
      To me, it's very simple, very black and white: somebody reads the forum rules.  If a person can follow the rules, then they can participate.  If they cannot, then they get a few warnings, and if they STILL cannot follow the rules, then they get banned.  

      We're trying to have an intelligent conversation about the TPI here, at least most of us are.  This is not the online equivalent of The Jerry Springer Show.
      At the top of every single page on fornits is the following description:

        Fornits Home for Wayward Web Fora
        An open discussion about the troubled parent industry
        [/list]
        How can you have an "open discussion" if not everyone is allowed to participate?

        It's only like The Jerry Springer Show if everyone acts like a nut case. Are you saying that survivors of institutionalized child abuse are incapable of not acting like nut cases?

        Quote from: "SEKTO"
        You might find the ongoing fracas really amusing, and maybe even entertaining, Ursus.  

        But most of the rest of us find it really annoying, and at this point more and more participants (actual and potential) are choosing to "tune out."

        Fornits loses a lot of people for the simple reason that it's so poorly monitored and moderated.  Rather than sit back and complain, I for one am trying to do something to change that.

        I'd be willing to bet you that for every one new and legitimate poster who comes here looking for discussion, networking with other program survivors, and support (after all, that's why I started posting to fornits) there are ten who look at the melee and trolling and choose not to post at all.  And then the whole purpose of this place has been defeated.
         
        But, I bet they sure as hell read it!  :D

        I get what you're saying Sekto, but it's a double-edged sword. I think once you censor and moderate with too heavy a hand, there's an awful lot that gets left unsaid. I think you also run the risk of the discussion becoming too one-sided. At which point the true underbelly of the beast never gets seen, save by those who already know it all too well.

        Just my opinion, fwiw...
        :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers: Well put Ursus,by the way that post was Sherry Slaten you asked about.And thank you for standing up. :cheers:  :cheers:  :jamin:  :rasta: P.S.the views are at 5990 now
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Inculcated on March 28, 2010, 04:03:59 PM
        As for comments about “DAYTOPIAN rules” Just to clarify; again. The rules and policies (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=29887&p=356416#p356416)  were posted in Élan Forum by administrators.
        The request to ban Bannison came to me from an Élan poster and the sentiment about how Bennison interrupts/inhibits discussion were seconded by still another Élan poster.
        From there, I did as I consider was expected of me to do, and I immediately contacted Administrators regarding the requests and comments, while adding that I agreed that cumulatively it was time based on the content of his nasty post to Anne Bonney as well as other very blatant attacks.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: karen p on March 28, 2010, 04:10:36 PM
        http://www.opifexphoenix.com/reasoning/ ... attack.htm (http://www.opifexphoenix.com/reasoning/fallacies/personalattack.htm)

        Personal Attack

        Also Known as: Ad Hominem Abusive

        Description:

        A personal attack is committed when a person substitutes abusive remarks for evidence when attacking another person’s claim or claims. This line of “reasoning” is fallacious because the attack is directed at the person making the claim and not the claim itself. The truth value of a claim is independent of the person making the claim. After all, no matter how repugnant an individual might be, he or she can still make true claims.

        Not all ad Hominems are fallacious. In some cases, an individual’s characteristics can have a bearing on the question of the veracity of her claims. For example, if someone is shown to be a pathological liar, then what he says can be considered to be unreliable. However, such attacks are weak, since even pathological liars might speak the truth on occasion.

        In general, it is best to focus one’s attention on the content of the claim and not on who made the claim. It is the content that determines the truth of the claim and not the characteristics of the person making the claim.

        Example #1:

        In a school debate, Bill claims that the President’s economic plan is unrealistic. His opponent, a professor, retorts by saying “the freshman has his facts wrong.”

        Example #2:

        “This theory about a potential cure for cancer has been introduced by a doctor who is a known lesbian feminist. I don’t see why we should extend an invitation for her to speak at the World Conference on Cancer.”

        Example #3:

        “Bill says that we should give tax breaks to companies. But he is untrustworthy, so it must be wrong to do that.”

         
        Example #4:

        “That claim cannot be true. Dave believes it, and we know how morally repulsive he is.”

         
        Example #5:

        “Bill claims that Jane would be a good treasurer. However I find Bill’s behavior offensive, so I’m not going to vote for Jill.”

        Example #6

        “Jane says that drug use is morally wrong, but she is just a goody-two shoes Christian, so we don’t have to listen to her.”

         
        Example #7

        Bill: “I don’t think it is a good idea to cut social programs.”

        Jill: “Why not?”

        Bill: “Well, many people do not get a fair start in life and hence need some help. After all, some people have wealthy parents and have it fairly easy. Others are born into poverty and…”

        Jill: “You just say that stuff because you have a soft heart and an equally soft head.”
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Ursus on March 28, 2010, 04:13:15 PM
        Yep. Might as well axe 95% of what's on fornits if you want to enforce that. lol
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: karen p on March 28, 2010, 04:24:40 PM
        I am glad people  are not paying attention to Danny anymore because the verbal brawl will never stop.   I hope people continue to ignore him for the sanity of this website.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SEKTO on March 28, 2010, 04:33:41 PM
        Quote from: "karen p"
        I am glad people  are not paying attention to Danny anymore because the verbal brawl will never stop.   I hope people continue to ignore him for the sanity of this website.

        Hear, hear.  I would heartily agree with you, karen.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Ursus on March 28, 2010, 06:57:16 PM
        Quote from: "Eliscu2"
        Quote from: "Inculcated"
        As for comments about “DAYTOPIAN rules” Just to clarify; again. The rules and policies (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=29887&p=356416#p356416)  were posted in Élan Forum by administrators.
        The request to ban Bannison came to me from an Élan poster and the sentiment about how Bennison interrupts/inhibits discussion were seconded by still another Élan poster.
        From there, I did as I consider was expected of me to do, and I immediately contacted Administrators regarding the requests and comments, while adding that I agreed that cumulatively it was time based on the content of his nasty post to Anne Bonney as well as other very blatant attacks.
        I say we return the "Occupied Territory" back to it's original state of Freedom.
        Tell NORTH KOREA AND THEIR DAYTOPIAN DICTATORS RULES TO GET THE FUCK OUT OF OUR CESSPOOL!
        3 RULES
        1. ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK
        2. FREEDOM OF SPEECH
        3. ONLY SPAM AND TUB GIRL WILL BE DELETED
        I'm fine with whatever. I never saw this as anything other than temporary, nor could I ever force myself to look at that official rule list after the first day. Just not my style.

        Personally, and this is strictly my opinion and I can only speak for myself here, I see moderating as being essentially akin to yet another form of behavior modification. Maybe there's no "akin" about it. One employs it only when absolutely necessary. That is, as infrequently and as minimally as possible, preferably only when survival is at stake, and bearing in mind that ... there is always a cost.

        So... just lemme know when to pack me bags. I'm cool.  :D
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Yoshi on March 28, 2010, 07:02:41 PM
        Quote from: "Eliscu2"
        Quote from: "Inculcated"
        As for comments about “DAYTOPIAN rules” Just to clarify; again. The rules and policies (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=29887&p=356416#p356416)  were posted in Élan Forum by administrators.
        The request to ban Bannison came to me from an Élan poster and the sentiment about how Bennison interrupts/inhibits discussion were seconded by still another Élan poster.
        From there, I did as I consider was expected of me to do, and I immediately contacted Administrators regarding the requests and comments, while adding that I agreed that cumulatively it was time based on the content of his nasty post to Anne Bonney as well as other very blatant attacks.

        I say we return the "Occupied Territory" back to it's original state of Freedom.
        Tell NORTH KOREA AND THEIR DAYTOPIAN DICTATORS RULES TO GET THE FUCK OUT OF OUR CESSPOOL!
        3 RULES
        1. ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK
        2. FREEDOM OF SPEECH
        3. ONLY SPAM AND TUB GIRL WILL BE DELETED

        Eliscu2: why would anybody want to listen to your advice about how to run a forum?  You're the one who was a moderator, until you got FIRED.

         :lala:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SEKTO on March 28, 2010, 07:43:55 PM
        Quote from: "Ursus"
        Quote from: "Eliscu2"
        Quote from: "Inculcated"
        As for comments about “DAYTOPIAN rules” Just to clarify; again. The rules and policies (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=29887&p=356416#p356416)  were posted in Élan Forum by administrators.
        The request to ban Bannison came to me from an Élan poster and the sentiment about how Bennison interrupts/inhibits discussion were seconded by still another Élan poster.
        From there, I did as I consider was expected of me to do, and I immediately contacted Administrators regarding the requests and comments, while adding that I agreed that cumulatively it was time based on the content of his nasty post to Anne Bonney as well as other very blatant attacks.
        I say we return the "Occupied Territory" back to it's original state of Freedom.
        Tell NORTH KOREA AND THEIR DAYTOPIAN DICTATORS RULES TO GET THE FUCK OUT OF OUR CESSPOOL!
        3 RULES
        1. ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK
        2. FREEDOM OF SPEECH
        3. ONLY SPAM AND TUB GIRL WILL BE DELETED
        I'm fine with whatever. I never saw this as anything other than temporary, nor could I ever force myself to look at that official rule list after the first day. Just not my style.

        Personally, and this is strictly my opinion and I can only speak for myself here, I see moderating as being essentially akin to yet another form of behavior modification. Maybe there's no "akin" about it. One employs it only when absolutely necessary. That is, as infrequently and as minimally as possible, preferably only when survival is at stake, and bearing in mind that ... there is always a cost.

        So... just lemme know when to pack me bags. I'm cool.  :D

        So what are we supposed to do, Ursus?  Change the name from fornits to The Troll Show?

        There's a vast difference between moderating these forums better and employing program-style BMod techniques on people.  Apples and oranges.  You cannot be serious.

        We do not use signs here, no humiliating LEs, we do not use the chair, there are no costumes, there is no "Fornits Philosophy" or "Fornits Values," no formal Fornits Creed, and there are no stages to work through.  Though, I would have to say that it's like an electronic Encounter Group at times in here.

        Nobody's telling anybody how to think, or what to say.  Though, I would point out that you do seem to fancy yourself the self-appointed Semantics Police at times.

        Everywhere you go and no matter what you are doing in society, there are rules, and consequences for breaking them.  

        All I am talking about is implementing some rules and standards, and then enforcing the same.  What's wrong with that?
        Title: Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
        Post by: Joel on March 28, 2010, 08:07:06 PM
        Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SEKTO on March 28, 2010, 08:17:48 PM
        No, Joel my friend, I am afraid that I do not understand.  It was pretty funny, but what are you saying in posting this?
        Title: the anti-program program
        Post by: Ursus on March 28, 2010, 08:22:07 PM
        Quote from: "SEKTO"
        Quote from: "Ursus"
        Quote from: "Eliscu2"
        Quote from: "Inculcated"
        As for comments about “DAYTOPIAN rules” Just to clarify; again. The rules and policies (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=29887&p=356416#p356416)  were posted in Élan Forum by administrators.
        The request to ban Bannison came to me from an Élan poster and the sentiment about how Bennison interrupts/inhibits discussion were seconded by still another Élan poster.
        From there, I did as I consider was expected of me to do, and I immediately contacted Administrators regarding the requests and comments, while adding that I agreed that cumulatively it was time based on the content of his nasty post to Anne Bonney as well as other very blatant attacks.
        I say we return the "Occupied Territory" back to it's original state of Freedom.
        Tell NORTH KOREA AND THEIR DAYTOPIAN DICTATORS RULES TO GET THE FUCK OUT OF OUR CESSPOOL!
        3 RULES
        1. ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK
        2. FREEDOM OF SPEECH
        3. ONLY SPAM AND TUB GIRL WILL BE DELETED
        I'm fine with whatever. I never saw this as anything other than temporary, nor could I ever force myself to look at that official rule list after the first day. Just not my style.

        Personally, and this is strictly my opinion and I can only speak for myself here, I see moderating as being essentially akin to yet another form of behavior modification. Maybe there's no "akin" about it. One employs it only when absolutely necessary. That is, as infrequently and as minimally as possible, preferably only when survival is at stake, and bearing in mind that ... there is always a cost.

        So... just lemme know when to pack me bags. I'm cool.  :D
        So what are we supposed to do, Ursus?  Change the name from fornits to The Troll Show?

        There's a vast difference between moderating these forums better and employing program-style BMod techniques on people.  Apples and oranges.  You cannot be serious.
        Oh, I'm dead serious. And it's not apples and oranges, it's apples and crab apples. Maybe crabby apples.

        Quote from: "SEKTO"
        We do not use signs here, no humiliating LEs, we do not use the chair, there are no costumes, there is no "Fornits Philosophy" or "Fornits Values," no formal Fornits Creed, and there are no stages to work through.  Though, I would have to say that it's like an electronic Encounter Group at times in here.

        Nobody's telling anybody how to think, or what to say.
        Ah, but there is this onerous and, quite frankly, somewhat off-putting Forum Rules and Policies that seems to be seeping its way into various forums on fornits. And that does tell people how they are "allowed" to say things, which in some cases, might mean that they aren't able to say anything at all. And then there is the fact that some folks are getting reeeeeal ban-happy around here.

        Perhaps it is a kinder, gentler program. But that's still a program. Perhaps you think fornits should turn into the anti-program program!?  

        Quote from: "SEKTO"
        Though, I would point out that you do seem to fancy yourself the self-appointed Semantics Police at times.
        LINK, dude, or it never happened. You've got a woeful misconception there. Since when did I ever give a serious rat's ass about other people's word usage? lol

        I might care a bit about my own grammar and word usage, but that's because I'm socially retarded and think I don't communicate very well.

        Quote from: "SEKTO"
        Everywhere you go and no matter what you are doing in society, there are rules, and consequences for breaking them.  

        All I am talking about is implementing some rules and standards, and then enforcing the same.  What's wrong with that?
        What's wrong? ... it's the anti-program program!!

         :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SEKTO on March 28, 2010, 08:43:53 PM
        In this series of posts, you are trying to enlighten me as to the proper use of the term, "therapeutic community" after I'd written that I was immersed in one (Meadow Haven) at the time.  Don't forget: I first started posting to fornits from within a therapeutic community, namely, Meadow Haven.  And you were trying to tell me that technically, it's not a therapeutic community.  I, in effect, interpreted this at the time as you trying to tell me what is and is not "okay" to write.  At the time, it ticked me off, but I let it go.

        Perhaps one might think that calling a community that offers therapeutic benefits a "therapeutic community" is technically okay.

        http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 0&start=90 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=26260&start=90)

        In this next set of posts, you are swerving out of your lane and into mine in telling me what is and is not an on-topic discussion within my forum.  That annoyed me too, but again, I let it go.

        viewtopic.php?f=31&t=28320&p=357304&hilit=interrelated#p357304 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=28320&p=357304&hilit=interrelated#p357304)

        Ursus, I do respect you and mean no offense.  It's just that sometimes I wish you'd stay in your lane.    Know what I mean?

        You also come across as kind of a know-it-all at times, IMO.

        Oh damn, and look at the tree on the sign!  I never made the connection before.

        http://www.meadowhaven.org/index.htm (http://www.meadowhaven.org/index.htm)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Che Gookin on March 28, 2010, 09:02:36 PM
        Jesus Christ people... some of this would hit the next level of epic if you'd hash it out in PM.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SEKTO on March 28, 2010, 09:04:55 PM
        Quote from: "Che Gookin"
        Jesus Christ people... some of this would hit the next level of epic if you'd hash it out in PM.

        Hey, free speech, right?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Che Gookin on March 28, 2010, 09:24:54 PM
        Yeah but I consider Oprah style free speech a sort of verbal diarrhea.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SEKTO on March 28, 2010, 09:27:26 PM
        Free speech gives one the right to say whatever one wants, but it does not mean that one can say whatever one wants, wherever one wants to say it.  You may remember the old saying about yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater.

        " A kind of thinking in which maintaining group agreement overrides a careful consideration of the facts in a realistic manner."  

        What is the term for such a state?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Ursus on March 28, 2010, 09:32:02 PM
        Boy, you've really been saving up this ammo for awhile, haven't you!   :D

        Quote from: "SEKTO"
        In this series of posts, you are trying to enlighten me as to the proper use of the term, "therapeutic community" after I'd written that I was immersed in one (Meadow Haven) at the time.  Don't forget: I first started posting to fornits from within a therapeutic community, namely, Meadow Haven.  And you were trying to tell me that technically, it's not a therapeutic community.  I, in effect, interpreted this at the time as you trying to tell me what is and is not "okay" to write.  At the time, it ticked me off, but I let it go.

        Perhaps one might think that calling a community that offers therapeutic benefits a "therapeutic community" is technically okay.

        http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 0&start=90 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=26260&start=90)
        If I recall correctly, there was some confusion about your usage of the term "therapeutic community," namely, that you felt it was a positive reference since you were then currently part of one. But you did not make that clear, or maybe I just didn't get it because I am sometimes obtuse. So, sorry 'bout that, if that's what I did.

        That was also about a year and a half ago. Might I suggest not festering over it so long next time. lol.

        Quote from: "SEKTO"
        In this next set of posts, you are swerving out of your lane and into mine in telling me what is and is not an on-topic discussion within my forum.  That annoyed me too, but again, I let it go.

        viewtopic.php?f=31&t=28320&p=357304&hilit=interrelated#p357304 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=28320&p=357304&hilit=interrelated#p357304)
        I don't recall me telling you "what is and is not an on-topic discussion within [YOUR] forum." I do recall there being a discussion on the Daytop forum in which Elan was brought up (why wouldn't it, when Joe Ricci attended Daytop), and your telling us you were later gonna split the thread up and move select posts over to the Elan forum (thereby destroying the continuity of the discussion). I was not the only person to object to this.

        Is this (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=28320&p=357304&hilit=interrelated#p357293) where I offended you and "swerved into your lane" on YOUR forum?:
        Quote from: "Ursus"
        Quote from: "SEKTO"
        Agreed. Please limit discussion of Elan, to the Elan forum. Later I'll split this thread and move things over there.
        With all due respect, I worry that you run the risk of diluting the significance of program overlap by censoring discussion. I myself have found this thread quite stimulating and it has given me a number of new insights.

        If you are going to excise all mention of non-Daytop programs from the Daytop thread, folk may perhaps not make the connection of the historical role Daytop plays. Likewise of all programs which also played a role in the formation of Daytop itself.

        Quote from: "SEKTO"
        You also come across as kind of a know-it-all at times, IMO.
        Yep. I told you I was socially retarded. And clearly I don't communicate very well. Quite possibly, not even within the parameters of the DAYTOP Forum Rules and Policies (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=29882#p356306)! But here's a solution for ya: you can always BAN ME from YOUR Daytop forum!!!  :D
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anonymous on March 28, 2010, 09:35:30 PM
        Where is Big John McCarthy when you need him?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Ursus on March 28, 2010, 09:39:09 PM
        Quote from: "SEKTO"
        " A kind of thinking in which maintaining group agreement overrides a careful consideration of the facts in a realistic manner."  

        What is the term for such a state?
        Hate to say it, Sekto, but it kinda sounds a little like your Daytop forum to me.

        Jes sayin' !!!  :D
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SEKTO on March 28, 2010, 09:40:04 PM
        " A kind of thinking in which maintaining group agreement overrides a careful consideration of the facts in a realistic manner."

        What is the term for such a state?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Che Gookin on March 28, 2010, 09:40:36 PM
        You know the place is going down hill when we have mods egging each other on for bans.
         :seg2:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SEKTO on March 28, 2010, 09:44:40 PM
        Comparing me to Kim Jong-il because I believe in the better moderation of fornits is asinine.

        http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/op ... 62927.html (http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2010/03/164_62927.html)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anonymous on March 28, 2010, 09:47:48 PM
        SEKTO communist is beyond her comprehension.  She says it to fit in on this website so she can feel good about herself.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SEKTO on March 28, 2010, 09:51:10 PM
        "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."  

        This is communism in a nutshell.  Doesn't sound so bad to me.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anonymous on March 28, 2010, 09:54:57 PM
        In Felice mind she believes 3 + 8 = 2 so be patient with her abnormal thinking.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SEKTO on March 28, 2010, 09:57:09 PM
        Quote from: "gae saeki"
        In Felice mind she believes 3 + 8 = 2 so be patient with her abnormal thinking.

        She is a good and decent person in my book.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Che Gookin on March 28, 2010, 10:01:51 PM
        gae saeki/harry cox/cleveland steamer/ and karen...

        Seriously, please do not heckle or troll Felice. She is a good friend and I have a lot of regard for her. Focus your attention on the epic raep and pillage of pro-elan sites.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SEKTO on March 28, 2010, 10:16:53 PM
        Quote from: "Che Gookin"
        gae saeki/harry cox/cleveland steamer/ and karen...

        Seriously, please do not heckle or troll Felice. She is a good friend and I have a lot of regard for her. Focus your attention on the epic raep and pillage of pro-elan sites.

        I agree.  Leave her alone.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: DannyB II on March 28, 2010, 10:41:03 PM
        Quote from: "Inculcated"
        As for comments about “DAYTOPIAN rules” Just to clarify; again. The rules and policies (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=29887&p=356416#p356416)  were posted in Élan Forum by administrators.
        The request to ban Bannison came to me from an Élan poster and the sentiment about how Bennison interrupts/inhibits discussion were seconded by still another Élan poster.
        From there, I did as I consider was expected of me to do, and I immediately contacted Administrators regarding the requests and comments, while adding that I agreed that cumulatively it was time based on the content of his nasty post to Anne Bonney as well as other very blatant attacks.

         :shamrock:  :shamrock:
        Oh and those Elan posters were so inclined to be fair and modest with their opinions of me, they were looking out for the welfare of the Elan Forum weren't they. I'm sure Felice, Matt and Sharon and yourself (Inculcate) were just innocently converting on the travesties that I have committed, unaware of your own disregard and wanton refusal to acknowledge your part in this war of words. Inculcate you are leading a posse and your denial is so obvious that others have to keep pointing it out to you. You want me gone so bad that you will break all ethics to do it, not unlike SEKTO. Your representation of fornits as a moderator is of a naive young.....you can finish.
        Danny
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: DannyB II on March 28, 2010, 11:08:24 PM
        Quote from: "SEKTO"
        Free speech gives one the right to say whatever one wants, but it does not mean that one can say whatever one wants, wherever one wants to say it.  You may remember the old saying about yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater.

        " A kind of thinking in which maintaining group agreement overrides a careful consideration of the facts in a realistic manner."  

        What is the term for such a state?

        SEKTO,
        This is fornits not the Regency Club Benefit, free speech is understood here that is true but what you seem to not understand, Dragging around a girl behind a car is a malicious degrading allegation to ask someone who dedicated 3 years to help keep her alive, only to here she was beat to death anyway. So please stop with your emotions, I purposely cut you all the way to the bone so we would be on the same level of pain and still you fight.
        We are not different SEKTO, so stop marginalizing me.
        Danny
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: DannyB II on March 28, 2010, 11:16:27 PM
        Quote from: "SEKTO"
        Comparing me to Kim Jong-il because I believe in the better moderation of fornits is asinine.

        http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/op ... 62927.html (http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2010/03/164_62927.html)

         :shamrock:  :shamrock:
        Yes I agree but you are in denial concerning wanting better moderation, you got blasted by me got your feelings hurt and want to retaliate and you want to do this under the veil of this noble cause. Lets the moderation of Fornits, sorry it smells Sekto and I will continue to fight tooth and nail to stop you. I don't like your kind, when you feel your losing you revert to a conniving heretic.
        Danny
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: DannyB II on March 28, 2010, 11:34:38 PM
        Quote from: "SEKTO"
        Comparing me to Kim Jong-il because I believe in the better moderation of fornits is asinine.

        http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/op ... 62927.html (http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2010/03/164_62927.html)

         :shamrock:  :shamrock:
        Sekto,
        When are you going to admit that being a moderator can be intimidating at times, and leaves one to be hurt if not careful, so in your situation absolute control is a viable option but it has consequences, as you are finding.  
        Danny
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Che Gookin on March 29, 2010, 12:17:15 AM
        What kind of pussy gets scared or intimidated by a mod?

        pbbbbbbbbbtttttttt..... Mod means one thing, "Troll me more."

        seriously, fail argument is fail.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: DannyB II on March 29, 2010, 12:23:36 AM
        Quote from: "Che Gookin"
        What kind of pussy gets scared or intimidated by a mod?

        pbbbbbbbbbtttttttt..... Mod means one thing, "Troll me more."

        seriously, fail argument is fail.

         :shamrock:  :shamrock:
        I was actually trying to be serious for once, Che.
        What I was saying is I think Sekto feels intimadated by
        his position of Moderator so as a consequence exerts more
        control then need be on his Forum. Also he has shared a great
        deal about himself on that forum personally, which I don't know
        was wise but never the less he did, I would feel vulnerable with
        that much info out there.
        Danny
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: DannyB II on March 29, 2010, 01:00:05 AM
        Quote from: "Eliscu2"
        Quote from: "mark babitz"
        Quote from: "SEKTO"
        Quote
        Moreover, I do think those "rules" are more or less unenforceable, for all practical purposes.

        Why are the rules unenforceable?  

        To me, it's very simple, very black and white: somebody reads the forum rules.  If a person can follow the rules, then they can participate.  If they cannot, then they get a few warnings, and if they STILL cannot follow the rules, then they get banned.  

        We're trying to have an intelligent conversation about the TPI here, at least most of us are.  This is not the online equivalent of The Jerry Springer Show.

        You might find the ongoing fracas really amusing, and maybe even entertaining, Ursus.  

        But most of the rest of us find it really annoying, and at this point more and more participants (actual and potential) are choosing to "tune out."

        Fornits loses a lot of people for the simple reason that it's so poorly monitored and moderated.

        I'd be willing to bet you that for every one new and legitimate poster who comes here looking for discussion, networking with other program survivors, and support (after all, that's why I started posting to fornits) there are ten who look at the melee and trolling and choose not to post at all.  And then the whole purpose of this place has been defeated.  

        Let's change a couple of words in that original quote, and maybe then you'll see my point more clearly.

        Quote
        When people pretty much completely stop posting because of the excesses of a certain belligerent Irish bully, what is effectively happening is that he (the bully) is moderating the ability of others to post. This is hardly in the spirit of the forum.
        :jawdrop:  I dont see were the conversation on this or any other thread stops any of you from posting, I am responding to your post.as a matter of fact. I agree that some of the arguments get loud, but they do burn them selfs out without any help from the peanut gallery.The thing I have had with the Seymours burned itself out.I think and can see from thier last post Joel and AAron are done fighting. Who won ?? Well it wasnt a competition no one did, Just some views got shot around.But all of us are ok and maybe grew from the experience. Everyone here is an adult and dont need a den mother to watch us.The views on this thread are at 5600.and post are 421.page has been around since Jan 17th 2010 and all of the threads we post on have unbelievable numbers and posts.Thats almost 1900 views a month  63 per day. You folks need a math class.Its called open free for all, and that what it is.The free for all. get all 3 of your attention and posts.Even your view points are listen too.There are plenty of pages on this site to go and hug trees and talk about stuff that doesnt concern any of you . And run around talking about changing the mental health world,etc. we all have our dreams and hopes.But arguments are real and deal with real changeable things.I think that if someone doesnt like what they read move the fuck on .Dont try and sensor or direct.,you wouldnt want anyone to do that to you when your posting bull-shit to bull-shit, Talking about thing that will never change or something that has no pertinence to the topic. No one follows any of you around  judging or criticizing your posts. Because no one cares what any of you post, the adults here relies and respect thats your opinion. Maybe not agree but non the less dont throw their two cents in. Perhaps thats something you persecutors of free speech should look at and do. After all your doing the complaining on a thread that has more views  and actively than most of anything going on here.No Free For All is a huge success, and draws the numbers. Trolls go both ways, read the definition   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)). And your posting stop the fighting on a basic fight page AKA Free For All your trolling. What you are posting is off topic on this page.This page and the free for all pages are for saying whats on your mind, There are plenty of spots on this fourm to behave yourself, thats why some of us come here , because we want to. Thats why the numbers are off the chart. it causes entertainment and great info about Elan and our goals to shut it down.There is infinite space on the internet,So these few threads dont take up much room in the big picture, nor are any of the complainers forced to read them or given no choice because its the only thing to read.So If some body doesnt like the post move on,but I know from the proof of numbers you will still tune in to see whats next .A person cant help it it is fun and entertaining. and in the middle are some good lessons and info about Elan and life.Your just reading the highlights not everything in the tread, but thats why all  of you are  for, are the highlights, they are the most fun I agree. :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Nice.





         :shamrock:  :shamrock:  :shamrock:  :shamrock:  :shamrock:  :shamrock:  :shamrock:  
        Here is the Math.
        The Elan Forum has always been it's very own "Open Free For All".
        This is how Elan Residents "relate" to each other.
        They were programmed to "Get thier feelings off" in the most crude and hate/hurtfull ways.
        The Elan Forum has pretty much been "Moderated" by Matt and I.
        Matt deleted "Tub Girl" once. and I acted like a Dictator twice.
        Besides removing hurtful posts for someone who requested it once I had never previously deleted anything.
        We all know I lost it one day and posted someone's IP address and was removed as Moderator.
        I also mistakenly took out a few old threads while being angry dictator of the Elan Forum.
        Luckily and with hours and hours of hard work that data has been recovered. Thank You URSUS!
        NORTH KOREA TAKES OVER ELAN FORUM-NEW ELAN RULES
        Now that the Elan forum has been turned into "Occupied Territory" it seems the natives have fled to ....well right here.
        ...........and the usual Elan Lovin Trolls right with them.
        If all of this Attention were over in the Elan Forum, then when you Google "Elan School" it would be seen.
        However it gives no attention to shutting down Elan over in this forum.
        What is a freedom loving person and their merry band of trolls to do?
        I say we return the "Occupied Territory" back to it's original state of Freedom.
        Tell NORTH KOREA AND THEIR DAYTOPIAN DICTATORS RULES TO GET THE FUCK OUT OF OUR CESSPOOL!
        3 RULES
        1. ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK
        2. FREEDOM OF SPEECH
        3. ONLY SPAM AND TUB GIRL WILL BE DELETED
        :shamrock:  :shamrock:  :shamrock:  :shamrock:  :shamrock:  :shamrock:  :shamrock:  

        Felice,
        I will probably get kicked in the teeth for this but this happens to be one of the longest and most articulate posts concerning the essence of what you stand for, that I have ever read on this site.  I Thank You.....
         Danny
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: karen p on March 29, 2010, 12:07:48 PM
        :on phone:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Ursus on March 29, 2010, 12:17:38 PM
        Quote from: "Antigen"
        Quote from: "Ursus"
        The original context of the quote specifically addressed flooding, and flooding alone.

        Moreover, I do think those "rules" are more or less unenforceable, for all practical purposes.
        I'm thinking that too. The main problem with declaring a rule against things like personal attacks is that perception of a personal attack is extremely subjective. Especially in this context because there are so many inside references going back to traumatic events of the past.
        Folks do have their triggers!  :D
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on March 29, 2010, 12:26:58 PM
        [
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on March 29, 2010, 12:34:34 PM
        :soapbox
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on March 29, 2010, 12:35:37 PM
        :feedtrolls:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on March 29, 2010, 12:37:12 PM
        :jawdrop:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: karen p on March 29, 2010, 02:03:35 PM
        :jawdrop:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on March 29, 2010, 03:03:00 PM
        Re:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on March 29, 2010, 03:28:01 PM
        :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on March 29, 2010, 05:27:23 PM
        ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on March 30, 2010, 08:46:30 AM
        :peace:  :jamin:  :peace:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on March 30, 2010, 09:41:14 AM
        [quote
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on March 30, 2010, 03:54:19 PM
        Quote from: "Ursus"
        Quote from: "Antigen"
        Quote from: "Ursus"
        The original context of the quote specifically addressed flooding, and flooding alone.

        Moreover, I do think those "rules" are more or less unenforceable, for all practical purposes.
        I'm thinking that too. The main problem with declaring a rule against things like personal attacks is that perception of a personal attack is extremely subjective. Especially in this context because there are so many inside references going back to traumatic events of the past.
        Folks do have their triggers!  :D


        Boy...you ain't just whistlin dixie.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on March 30, 2010, 06:08:00 PM
        :cheers:  :cheers:  :feedtrolls:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :jamin:  :rasta:  :rasta:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on March 30, 2010, 06:09:59 PM
        :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on March 30, 2010, 06:20:34 PM
        e:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on March 30, 2010, 06:27:07 PM
        by
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Lynn Johnson on March 30, 2010, 06:54:53 PM
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhwbxEfy7fg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhwbxEfy7fg)


        Art/Danny enjoy  :tup:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Lynn Johnson on March 30, 2010, 06:56:48 PM
        Johnny Jerkie me off found one of you at the bar..is that Danny on the left of you..are those diapers omfg guys get a grip.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKJadLUoGF0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKJadLUoGF0)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on April 03, 2010, 09:38:34 AM
        :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on April 03, 2010, 10:16:32 AM
        No- body has ran away ,just dont want to participate in the show, 4or 5 of us have shut down the bull-shit for now.There wont be responses to any negativity or other-wise.posts.We find it more entertaining to watch the instigators talk to themselves and it seems to be working fine.Demanding apologizes,[thats rich lol ].So that being said have your fun playing by yourself folks,We wont be feeding into it,any more. We have already selected the people to go forward with the Elan plan,No more applications will be taken sorry.Anyone else will need to start there own crusade,and plan on how to close Elan.The person we have spoken with doesn't want negative or instigating people involved. And no its not an author for a book,We arent really looking for a book Ha Ha. Anyone involved in the types of places like Elan,already know about abuse. A book is just repetition.We are working on a much better thing.Having the insults and negative words only help us along, especially when the attacks come from former staff of the places we speak of. That proves our  stories and adds credibility that the people we speak of still exist and act the same as they did at Elan or there perspective institution. That sick minds never heal.So please keep the show going we need the press, We copy and paste and move on our given task. Attacks just let the ones we talk to see the craziness of the places like Elan, and what vipers they breaded and formed.We invite the criticism and views, and so does everyone else, Especially the ones that come out of the wood work just looking to find conversation and bonding of other complainers and winers. They are the best, They show up with the same type of complaining bull-shit they did back in 02 about  some other people, they criticized the site and the directors etc. :waaaa:  :waaaa: I dont think they remember thier posts and other action. Most of all that no one cares about there opinions,They are taged a winer and that its.So they to are fun to watch, Your not the one I am talking about Art,this is someone that makes you look like a nice guy. But have fun all you are helping in your own way and thank you.P.S. please respond with something really nasty or degrading if you could, light the site up today with all of your wisdoms..We love the show, but wont participate in hatred or nastiness. We just want to see what the winers are complaining about.After all, this stuff takes away from the purpose of the site,or some crap like that the winers cry. So continue with the distraction you complain about we love it Thanks. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on April 06, 2010, 09:24:10 AM
        :cheers: Great video Felice, :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Eliscu2 on April 06, 2010, 10:37:01 AM
        Quote from: "mark babitz"
        :cheers: Great video Felice, :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:

        Thanks Mark, the next one will be even better! :clown:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on April 06, 2010, 07:27:19 PM
        Quote from: "Eliscu2"
        Quote from: "mark babitz"
        :cheers: Great video Felice, :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:

        Thanks Mark, the next one will be even better! :clown:
        Felice awesome video.....it is excellent.  :cheers:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on April 07, 2010, 11:11:52 AM
        Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
        Quote from: "Eliscu2"
        Quote from: "mark babitz"
        :cheers: Great video Felice, :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:

        Thanks Mark, the next one will be even better! :clown:
        Felice awesome video.....it is excellent.  :cheers:


        Agreed!  Very cool!
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on April 12, 2010, 11:35:20 PM
        :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:
        Title: Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
        Post by: Joel on April 12, 2010, 11:37:24 PM
        Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on April 12, 2010, 11:39:43 PM
        Thanks
        Title: Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
        Post by: Joel on April 13, 2010, 01:59:20 PM
        Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: DannyB II on April 13, 2010, 02:07:19 PM
        Quote from: "Joel"
        :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  
         ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::
         ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::
         :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:

         :shamrock:  :shamrock:
         
        Grow up someday!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        Danny
        Title: Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
        Post by: Joel on April 13, 2010, 02:21:43 PM
        Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on April 14, 2010, 10:02:18 AM
        by
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on April 14, 2010, 10:43:48 AM
        Didn't I just read that exact post in a different thread?  In fact, a thread of its own?  What's with all the cross-posting lately?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on April 14, 2010, 08:58:40 PM
        Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
        Didn't I just read that exact post in a different thread?  In fact, a thread of its own?  What's with all the cross-posting lately?
        Yes I agree and it makes it very difficult to even keep up half the time were to respond or not respond too. Massive adding to confusion
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on April 15, 2010, 10:24:40 AM
        [quote=
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: kirstin on April 15, 2010, 10:27:10 AM
        Sir Babitz what do you think about therapy?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on April 15, 2010, 01:33:15 PM
        Quote from: "kirstin"
        Sir Babitz what do you think about therapy?
        michelle what do you think about therapy???
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: kirstin on April 15, 2010, 01:41:22 PM
        Who is Michelle?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on April 15, 2010, 02:06:00 PM
        Where's Waldo?

         :seg2:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on April 16, 2010, 08:51:26 AM
        :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on April 16, 2010, 09:48:40 AM
        Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
        Where's Waldo?

         :seg2:
        Last I saw Waldo he was in Colorado ...think Ute Mountain Casino..lmao
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on April 16, 2010, 03:21:21 PM
        :cheers:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: justonemore on April 16, 2010, 08:34:50 PM
        mark. i wouldn't bother except it keeps re-appearing, and frankly, i'm not that great a writer though of course i'd like to think i am, but quoting me ad nausuem , well enough's enough. If you'd like to argue, well come on come on. It's how we learn. but be open in your argument, feel free to slam me, but don't threaten, and be willing to be wrong.J.O.M.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on April 16, 2010, 09:32:40 PM
        [quote
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: justonemore on April 16, 2010, 09:59:44 PM
        Thanks, and we'll call it square for now, and fight in future. Fair enough? i hope so, fer I love a good argument J.O.M
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on April 17, 2010, 08:56:29 AM
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        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on April 17, 2010, 09:22:00 AM
        viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30284 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30284)   :beat: An example of someone who has nothing intelligent to say. :beat:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on April 17, 2010, 09:27:05 AM
        :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on April 17, 2010, 08:03:19 PM
        Quote from: "mark babitz"
        :rocker: But thats what keep ,the weak going,. On the world wide web they have that audience they crave and cant find in the regular world,so they seek strangers for support, I wonder how they go about dating ??. Maybe on the internet too, after all they can be who ever they want up to the date, and then always cancel.I am glad I dont have to hide. :cheers: :cheers:

        So says the guy that spent the afternoon researching posts from a week ago... while it was one of the most beautiful days of the year. Mark you are a freaking Fraud. Go seek your attention .. we understand. We have all seen your kind before.
        I love the whole act that you got going on here. Who do you think you are kidding ?
        you are a loser
        a fraud
        and a coward.. A troll on the net. Speaking of being anyone on the internet. How many names did you make up for yourself,before being banned from fornits f/b page. Was it 7 ? 10 ? You are one funny,dishonest,lying sack of shit
        Did ya get a job yet  ?
        LOL
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on April 18, 2010, 11:35:10 AM
        ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse:: ART :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Froderik on April 18, 2010, 11:48:30 AM
        I agree; this dead horse of a thread is decomposing, and stinking to high heaven. It's funny how it just keeps going on and on, blah blah blah. Get me the fuck out of Bickerville. Stop me before i hurt myself. Everyone posting on this thread should do something else with their time, myself included. This will be my last post in regard to this bs, I sincerely hope.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on April 18, 2010, 12:04:22 PM
        Ahhhhh
        The other Liar ! :soapbox:
        How suprising that Sharon is here to seek attention right along with her pal Babbletits.
         :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Two coward,Two Liars.. You two should get married,and have lots of kids
        Could you tell a few lies this morning to make my point for me ?
        Like you have done over and over ?
        Cmon... Just one little one
         ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::
        Try not to shit yourself today girls
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on April 20, 2010, 08:54:18 AM
        :cheers:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on April 20, 2010, 09:45:55 AM
        ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: ART ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls: ART :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on April 21, 2010, 08:54:55 AM
        :cheers:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: kirstin on April 21, 2010, 08:58:30 AM
        :beat:  :bump:  :suicide:  :twofinger:  :on phone:  :notworthy:  :soapbox:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :jawdrop:  :timeout:  :birthday:  :deal:  :seg2:  :seg:  :shamrock:  :poison:  :nods:  :eek:  :cheers:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :feedtrolls:  :beat:  :bump:  :rocker:  :clown:  :tup:  :heartbreak:  :rofl:  :peace:  :jamin:  :whip:  :boycott:  :agree:  :lala:  :rose:  :dose:  :roflmao:  :spam:  :flame:  :flip:  :cheers:  :trophy:  :)  :sue:  ::puke::  ;)  :bs:  :wall:  :rasta:  ;D  >:(  :moon:  :(  :smashcomp:  :o  :hug:  :blabla:  8)  ???  :guesswho:  :jerry:  ::)  :cry:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on April 21, 2010, 09:30:25 AM
        Stop the madness omfg I am going back to bed for a few hours this is completely uneducational and boring. Have a great day everyone and peace...I got to get ready for my trip. Hopefully half of you will find a life today and find something productive to keep you busy. At this point if Art wants me to admit I fuck donkeys in my spare time just to shut him up I will omfg please the insanity is in droves around here. So Art, I apologize for whatever you claim I did , you are right lolz . Now is that good enough for you sweetie because this is getting ridiculous. I apologize for whatever ok now quit. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: kirstin on April 21, 2010, 09:35:46 AM
        Sharon I hope you don't have internet access on your vacation because your propraganda poisons our minds.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: kirstin on April 22, 2010, 07:51:32 AM
        :suicide:  :twofinger:  :on phone:  :notworthy:  :soapbox:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :timeout:  :birthday:  :deal:  :seg2:  :eek:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on April 22, 2010, 08:47:49 AM
        Quote from: "kirstin"
        :suicide:  :twofinger:  :on phone:  :notworthy:  :soapbox:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :timeout:  :birthday:  :deal:  :seg2:  :eek:
        Hahahahahahahaha so witty this morning. I still got that business card for you dear. :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on April 22, 2010, 08:55:45 AM
        [quote
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on April 22, 2010, 10:29:31 AM
        LOL
        These two.... Sharon the Drama Queen Victim.. and Babbletits the Fraud !
        Gotta be the biggest losers on the planet.
        Marky
        Our pal asked me about ya the other day. I guess after being busted in a lie (one of many) its too hard to show your face.
        Not to mention you are a coward
        Arent you on vacation yet Sharon ? Is that slang for you going to prison ? I think you liked it there. You certainly promote the attitude like every other ex-con I ever met
        The rent in your heads is mighty cheap these days
        Losers
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on April 22, 2010, 10:39:04 AM
        (http://http://planetross.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/fighting1.jpg)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on April 22, 2010, 01:56:45 PM
        Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
        (http://http://planetross.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/fighting1.jpg)

        There there Anne. Someone will want to play with you. Its just not me.
        Only 10 minutes for a reply ? You are slipping girl.. Its almost,as if you had a life.
        That couldnt be true.. at least not a quality of life I would admire..
        Maybe some of the other trolls will get you that well sought-attention you seem to crave.
        Go Anne !
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on April 23, 2010, 08:43:42 AM
        :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :cheers:  :cheers: :cheers:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on April 23, 2010, 05:25:53 PM
        :cheers:  :cheers: http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/04/13/26359.htm (http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/04/13/26359.htm)  :rocker:  :rocker:  :cheers:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: kirstin on April 23, 2010, 10:10:04 PM
        :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on April 24, 2010, 12:08:48 PM
        boring  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on April 24, 2010, 01:47:41 PM
        :jawdrop: http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ou ... elan&hl=en (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ou4pAAAAIBAJ&sjid=SGUFAAAAIBAJ&pg=3156,1606388&dq=sharon+terry+elan&hl=en)  :jawdrop:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on April 25, 2010, 09:27:47 AM
        Still boring..lmao
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on April 25, 2010, 12:22:56 PM
        agreed
        Could you or Marky come up with some new lies. Maybe something we havent heard yet.
        Whats boring is your behavior. How about that apology to the Admin here at Fornits for your little tantrum ?
        Here's some attention for you .. MMM KKKay ?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on April 25, 2010, 02:05:18 PM
        No I will just let you lie your ass off a bit longer Art ...lmao
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on April 26, 2010, 07:08:14 AM
        Awwe Sharon
        You cant pin that Liar thing on me darlin. I tell the truth. I dont have any fake sisters/family members. I dont create hate groups. I dont seek attention on an anonymous forum.When I am wrong,I promptly admit it. I could go on but really, you have become very boring... Beyond your attention seeking antics.
        Now Marky.. Same deal. He's mad at me from Elan (according to his own words) but we have never met. Went to Maine different years. Marky is especially mad that I busted him in front of his and my pal. He too should learn not to lie
        Christ Marky... arent you 50 yrs old ? Still playing little girl games..
        You two are Toxic/Caustic
        Werent you going on vacation Sharon ? We were hoping you would go some place without internet access. That way you wouldnt be able to bore us with any more of your lies.
        this can end any time you like girls. You know what you have to do. Its the right thing to do.for once in your miserable lives..
        Tell the truth
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on April 26, 2010, 04:41:02 PM
        Hey Marky
        Could you enlighten us as to who Gary Stadler is ?
        Thanks Marky
        You can go back to serviceing the homeless men in Fox Lake
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on April 28, 2010, 01:08:46 PM
        BORING
        Title: waste of space
        Post by: Froderik on April 28, 2010, 04:43:51 PM
        Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
        BORING
        I agree, i would not mind if one of the admins deleted this whole thread.
        Title: Re: waste of space
        Post by: mark babitz on April 28, 2010, 08:08:47 PM
        [quote:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on April 29, 2010, 07:23:05 AM
        Those who troll ?
        LOL
        Marky.. I mean Jeff Cooper.. I mean Gary..Umm Gerald.. I could go on but..
        Who would be shitting who Babbletits?
        Again playing the fraud.. and winning...
        Prove you right ? About what Marky ?
        Being an unemployed loser, that sits home smoking dope playing "Puter" ? Attacking people who you dont know,then lying about it ? You are a coward ! At the very least... That is something your partner Sharon is not. Ask her.. She'll tell you all about her "Balls"
        I think we have covered this before.. but here's a reminder
        You are a Zero. A loser,Liar,Cheat,and a thief
        Try not to shit yourself today girls
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on April 29, 2010, 01:56:27 PM
        ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: ART ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: DANNY ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: BORING ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: GETTING OLD GUYS ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: YOU GUYS ARE FIFTY SOMETHING NOT TWO ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: SCRATCH N SNIFF BOYS ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: BORING AND LIARS ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: GET LIVES ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on April 29, 2010, 03:04:43 PM
        I only have a couple comments to add Sharon
        1) am only 46... posting more mis-information   what a shocker !
        2)wow the intellignece.. for the love of Mike.. Find the spellcheck key
        3) Take danny's advice... Go hug your babies....
        4)
        WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
        Can I get you some cheese with that whine ?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on April 29, 2010, 03:43:20 PM
        :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall: His Superior Arty has spoken...big fucken deal 4 years off 46 wow. Thanks for admitting your age for everyone.....I was 17, you were an adult nice one good going ARTY. I was a minor, you were an adult slime ball. :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on April 29, 2010, 04:44:55 PM
        Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
        :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall: His Superior Arty has spoken...big fucken deal 4 years off 46 wow. Thanks for admitting your age for everyone.....I was 17, you were an adult nice one good going ARTY. I was a minor, you were an adult slime ball. :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:
        LOOOOOOOOL
        You really had to reach for that one huh Sharon...25 yrs. I think you should choose a different weapon hun. That one is kinda dull.. Like your personality

        Is that all you got.. You angry bitch
        Looks like you havent closed your legs since. I bet you can suck a golf ball through a garden hose in 3 seconds.
        You are so very un-impressive.
        Sorry you are having a bad day. Maybe you should sue me or something.Or better yet...Whine some more .. Definately entertaining.
        If your life is so wonderful... Why all the anger and bile ? Oh I get it.. Its being busted in so many lies.... you and your partner Marky (suck a cock) babbletits
        I am fairly certain the readers here have you all figured out by now
        The truth shall set you free
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on May 01, 2010, 07:56:04 AM
        Poor Marky (liar,cheater,common thief,criminal)
        I would like to be sorry about you running off like this, but thats what cowards do. Is it really that hard to act like a person ?
        Is your life really that bad that you cannot admit a role in this ? Are you so small that when you are busted.. You cannot just say.. Ok, I was wrong,sorry" or something to that effect ? Dont you think the gesture would be the right thing to do ?
        Not for my benefit.. I could care less. But you caused many others to suffer
        Maybe I am wrong,to think,you had it in you,to be an honest man. Same deal goes for Sharon. Your ego's must be way big.
        Funny thing about ego. When all else fails... Blame it on someone else.
        Well Marky.. Look at it this way. Fornits isnt the only place you have been kicked out of.. I am guessing its not the last place you will be kicked out of either
        50 years old and still whacked.. Them folks in Poland Springs must be extra proud of you. You are a great example of failure !
        Goes double for you Sharon !
        My job is done
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on May 01, 2010, 09:11:56 AM
        :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger: ARTY POOR BABY ARTY still a cry the blues. :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs: Scratch n sniff ART :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon: GET THERAPY ART ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on May 01, 2010, 09:14:27 AM
        :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on May 01, 2010, 06:08:40 PM
        Sorry Sharon
        I dont know what the scratch and sniff thing means.. But as long as you are spinning,and seeking attention
        here's some for you
        How about another thread full of lies .. Been a few days since I called you out on them,and you threw a tantrum.
        Great Icons
        Too bad you lack command of the English language to write something noteworthy
        Like the truth.. You just want to piss and moan about Art
        I am flattered.. But if you must know. I prefer the type of woman who is a LADY
        You are not qualified
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on May 01, 2010, 09:59:45 PM
        :twofinger:  :twofinger: ART :twofinger:  :twofinger:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on May 09, 2010, 07:56:32 AM
        :jawdrop: WOW !!!! :jawdrop:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on May 10, 2010, 08:51:50 AM
        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Sent: less than a minute ago   
        From: Jeffery   
        To: liarsexposed

        liarsexposed wrote:
        Subject: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies

        Jeffery wrote:
        :jawdrop: WOW !!!!


        Knew you couldnt stay away for too long you fuckin attention seeking coward
        Happy with how this all turned out ?
        I blame this deal with Sharon on you .. And everyone else knows it you piece of shit
        Fucking pansy :cheers:  :cheers:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:

           :jawdrop:  Go find a life ass hole    Fuck you and your Sharon bashing, does your cunt at home know how you stalk Sharon :beat:  :beat:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on May 10, 2010, 08:55:31 AM
        search.php?author_id=6073&sr=posts (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/search.php?author_id=6073&sr=posts) :soapbox:  :soapbox: Read the crap you put out on the web and you expect people to respect you, your an animal.You stalk Sharon and the Babbitz  guy like and ass-hole .I find you amusing and sickening, I am waiting for you to step in the hole , and I will have the internet Police up your ass so far, you and your boss at the junk yard wont know what to do. I hope you both have fun with how you abuse Sharon and her kids, but one day someone is going to walk into Route 12 auto parts in Richmond Ill and arrest  you and your boss Eric K. for cyber bullying etc. I bet Eric will love that, after all that would make the local paper at the least. I think you need some internet law courses and at the rate you travel you will get your education yet. So go back in your hole Art your way over due.Thank you Sharon for your previous posts with the IP addresses and addresses of Art. It will make the polices job much easier. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: RavingMad on May 10, 2010, 09:01:20 AM
        oh and did FELICE come clean yet in her involvement?? I think Jeffrey needs to go see Felice's motives. Think she is in love with ART to do what she did. A wise man once said Google her name and like a dumb fuck me and many over looked it. That wise man needs to know he was right and never again shall anyone challenge his wisdom.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: RavingMad on May 10, 2010, 09:02:21 AM
        btw my mom is doing good. for all that give a fuck
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on May 10, 2010, 09:28:28 AM
        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Sent: 17 minutes ago   
        From: liarsexposed   
        To: Jeffery

        Whats wrong Marky ?
        Trouble with telling the truth still ? At 50 yrs old ?
        There was a time,when I didnt know you,or what you were about. But thats over. You are a coward. A Lying,cheating coward. A common criminal. This is on you pal. You started something you couldnt finish. Your mouth writing checks your body cannot cash. If you were such a toughguy, you would have proved it
        You know where I am at,you know where I live. Put up or Shut the fuck up, :cheers:  :fuckoff:  First off if I was closer to you I would confront you face to face, with the Police to have you arrested. I am not who you think and dont know Marky, And to invite someone out to see you is quite amusing, Do you think you could trap somebody that easy.Any tough guys I know wouldn't take the time to bother with someone like you, in fear you would call the police as you said you did when found scared with your girl friend. If that story is even true. You need to cop to your guilt big mouth.And leave people alone.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: RavingMad on May 10, 2010, 10:57:59 AM
        just sick very sick. and fornits allows this guy to remain for years. whos next on his pole of attacks? sick and irresposible to allow a guy for years to do this.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on May 10, 2010, 10:59:58 AM
        Quote from: "RavingMad"
        just sick very sick. and fornits allows this guy to remain for years. whos next on his pole of attacks? sick and irresposible to allow a guy for years to do this.


        What part of OPEN, UNMODERATED do you not understand????
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: RavingMad on May 10, 2010, 11:28:50 AM
        Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
        Quote from: "RavingMad"
        just sick very sick. and fornits allows this guy to remain for years. whos next on his pole of attacks? sick and irresposible to allow a guy for years to do this.


        What part of OPEN, UNMODERATED do you not understand????
        eeee what i find funny is half of you bitch about elan threads but always seem to manage to get involved.

        Fornits Home for Wayward Web Fora
        An open discussion about the troubled parent industry


        that is what is claims and says. a decetful advertizing.

        and i will be here until stupid shit comes down that has been asked nicely to that hurts an individual. is it normal practice to allow mentioning of an 8 year old that hurt no one? did anyone stand up for my brother who was attacked last week. NO NO NO so all you that claim to be for the kids are hypocrites. I would of thought you Anne would of stood up for a child. a child. regardless of the parent. double standards are in full bloom around here. i will stay to be watching gathering more evidence. until then i guess since i got to tolerate you all you all got to tolerate me. free speech got out of hand. Mexicans, Homos, individuals. I called Elan today since no one wanted to tell me or answer questions about the school. i heard their version of things. they now know about fornits and are looking today. good luck with that everyone..hitting people blindly that is the style around here. they got a whole other story a completely different version then everyone here. so anne since elan discussion annoys you you should really sit back and ignore the threads. i got a right to be here like everyone else. including you.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on May 10, 2010, 12:17:51 PM
        Quote from: "RavingMad"

        Fornits Home for Wayward Web Fora
        An open discussion about the troubled parent industry


        that is what is claims and says. a decetful advertizing.

        How so?  Is it not a forum discussing the troubled parent/teen industry?  Do you have reading comprehension skills?

        Quote
        and i will be here until stupid shit comes down that has been asked nicely to that hurts an individual.

        It's an open discussion but you want to be able to control what is and is not posted???  Do you not see the dichotomy?
        Quote

         is it normal practice to allow mentioning of an 8 year old that hurt no one? did anyone stand up for my brother who was attacked last week. NO NO NO so all you that claim to be for the kids are hypocrites.

        I have no idea what you're talking about or who your brother is.  Fine, call us hypocrites......it's an OPEN DISCUSSION!!  Butch up baby girl!

        Quote
        I would of thought you Anne would of stood up for a child. a child.

        Again....I have no idea what you're talking about.  When and where did I attack an 8 year old?

        Quote
        regardless of the parent. double standards are in full bloom around here. i will stay to be watching gathering more evidence.


         :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

        Evidence for what purpose?  Are you gonna call the police because someone said something that hurt your feelings?  What color is the sky in your world?

         
        Quote
        until then i guess since i got to tolerate you all you all got to tolerate me. free speech got out of hand. Mexicans, Homos, individuals. I called Elan today since no one wanted to tell me or answer questions about the school. i heard their version of things. they now know about fornits and are looking today.

        Babygirl, they've known about Fornits for a very long time and have been looking and reading for a very long time.  Try and keep up.

        Quote
        good luck with that everyone..hitting people blindly that is the style around here. they got a whole other story a completely different version then everyone here. so anne since elan discussion annoys you

        Actually, it's become quite amusing.

        Quote
        you should really sit back and ignore the threads. i got a right to be here like everyone else. including you.

        Of course you do, but when you make the claim that "no one in their right mind" stays and then you, ummmm, stay...well....
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SUCK IT on May 10, 2010, 03:16:37 PM
        Looks like Manne Conney is trolling more people to try to get someone to talk to him (anne the manne!)

        Hey Manne I checked your post history and it says you made a bunch of posts over the weekend, is that right? What about your life of fun and sun, beaches and boating?? Pretty sad you have nothing better to do on weekends than argue with random people on fornits about where children should go when they are troubled.
         :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on May 11, 2010, 08:43:38 AM
        :jawdrop: WOW  :jawdrop:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: RavingMad on May 11, 2010, 08:44:56 AM
        Jeffrey where are you. these dummies need some real education today. oh call me later btw and mom to . i got the shizzle to tell you.  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on May 12, 2010, 10:37:52 AM
        Quote from: "RavingMad"
        Jeffrey where are you. these dummies need some real education today. oh call me later btw and mom to . i got the shizzle to tell you.  :rocker:

         :peace:  :peace:  :peace:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on May 17, 2010, 03:53:33 PM
        :peace:  :peace:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: alcoholics anonymous on May 17, 2010, 04:13:14 PM
        (http://http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l00oxkVNi61qb5f7vo1_500.jpg)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on May 19, 2010, 09:42:22 AM
        :soapbox:  :peace:  :peace:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on May 20, 2010, 09:13:45 AM
        Why has everyone quit  talking about Elan ?? No fights no fun ?? Thats a shame  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak: , If folks cant fight they cant speak, Shame there aren't more multi talkers out there that can fight Elan and the rest around them . :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: You wanted the best, you got the best...
        Post by: Froderik on May 20, 2010, 10:35:52 AM
        I don't know, but on an unrelated note...you have me to thank for that Gene Simmons avatar...lol...I uploaded it a while back...enjoy!!!
        Title: Re: You wanted the best, you got the best...
        Post by: Jeffery on May 20, 2010, 05:35:24 PM
        :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
        Quote from: "Froderik"
        I don't know, but on an unrelated note...you have me to thank for that Gene Simmons avatar...lol...I uploaded it a while back...enjoy!!!
        :rocker:  :rocker: Thank you it a great shot of Gene.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on May 24, 2010, 10:44:40 AM
        :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  I have said from the start Danny is probably Marty or a Disciple of, Marty went Evanston township school,in the early 70s, and then somehow turned up in Elan, Kruglik is a common Jewish name, I think he might have been adopted he said once. I have studied old Pan Face for some time now and I think Danny whom ever he is, is Marty's personal Troll. Danny is very needy and try's to come off real informed but no one seems to remember him.But yet he knows so much about everyone,???. I draw one conclusion. I have been nice to him and have treated him like shit as I am sure you have seen.But he always runs to the fight. I have never seen him post anything harmful to Elan or any real good poop. He does allot of evasive speculation and try"s to control the room. He is the[ Frank Burns] from Mash, of the internet. He cannot be offended or chased away, I have and others have tried. He is here for a purpose,and wont leave.I found him fun to use as a sounding board when I was stressed,There was nothing you could say to make him run away,Now think about it , who else could you do that to,??,. Anyone else would never speak to you again,but not Durable Danny.     :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on May 25, 2010, 01:19:41 PM
        Old pan face. :rofl:  :rofl: If Danny isn't Marty, then Marty either bribed him to post here, but I really can't see anyone want to do that for such little pocket change, seeing how poor TCK is. So my other conclusion would be, Marty threatened him with acts of rape and sodomy. Old fry pan face, swollen hand, fuck tard Marty is most likely desperate because his job my soon be in jeapordy seeing elan has been loosing lots of money over the last decade. And the Terry Witch probably ordered Joe's butler/slave injun (Marty) to find some former brain washed elanistonians, to work at anti-elan forums and poise as pro-elaners and distort the truth and cover up any negative story about elan. Marty loves a good ole fashined teen dick in his mouth and can't resists a good ole fashion smearing of tatanka turds all over himself.
        Me suh Marty fry pan face, me suh like to lick hair balls. Hi yuh yuh yuh!
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: clitoritis on May 25, 2010, 02:27:10 PM
        [EDITED Sunday, August 29, 2010]
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Froderik on May 25, 2010, 02:27:23 PM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        Old pan face. :rofl:  :rofl: If Danny isn't Marty, then Marty either bribed him to post here, but I really can't see anyone want to do that for such little pocket change, seeing how poor TCK is. So my other conclusion would be, Marty threatened him with acts of rape and sodomy. Old fry pan face, swollen hand, fuck tard Marty is most likely desperate because his job my soon be in jeapordy seeing elan has been loosing lots of money over the last decade. And the Terry Witch probably ordered Joe's butler/slave injun (Marty) to find some former brain washed elanistonians, to work at anti-elan forums and poise as pro-elaners and distort the truth and cover up any negative story about elan. Marty loves a good ole fashined teen dick in his mouth and can't resists a good ole fashion smearing of tatanka turds all over himself.
        Me suh Marty fry pan face, me suh like to lick hair balls. Hi yuh yuh yuh!
        :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: clitoritis on May 25, 2010, 02:35:47 PM
        [EDITED Sunday, August 29, 2010]
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on May 25, 2010, 02:43:46 PM
        IMR "War Dance Lyrics"

        I'm a hi yuh yuh yuh Indian, and me suh like to fuck assholes.
        me suh's name is Marty Kruglik fry pan face, and me suh do what me suh's told.
        I worked for Joe Ricci as a servant, and even wiped his ass and nose.
        Me suh had a salary of $350 a week, and me suh was very proud and bold.

        Me suh like to facilitate teen ring bout fights and bet on them all.
        Me suh likes to watch a bigger teen beat the crap out of a smaller teen
        and me suh cheer and clap at it all.

        Because I'm a hi yuh yuh yuh yuh indian, and me suh like to sniff assholes.
        I'm a hi yuh yuh yuh yuh indian, and I like rubber dickies up my holes
        Hi chi hi chi yuh yuh yuh, hi chi chi yuh yuh yoo.

        Me suh worked at elan for most of my life and will continue to do so when me suh's old.
        Me suh like to brain wash little kids, and watch their lives unfold.
        Me suh teach the way of the Kruglik, and dance naked around a totem pole.

        Me suh go throw students personal belongings, and take what me suh wants.
        Then me suh blame a worker, and give me a GM.
        If GM is not effective enough, then me suh shoot worker down and corner him.

        Because I'm a hi yuh yuh yuh yuh indian, and me suh like to sniff assholes.
        I'm a hi yuh yuh yuh yuh indian, and I like rubber dickies up my holes
        Hi chi hi chi yuh yuh yuh, hi chi chi yuh yuh yoo.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on May 25, 2010, 02:49:39 PM
        What kind of businesses do you have there Danny Bendoverforkruglikson? Being a paid informant for elan and answering to the Kruglicker, doesn't constitute as a business.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: DannyB II on May 25, 2010, 06:25:07 PM
        Quote
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        What kind of businesses do you have there Danny Bendoverforkruglikson? Being a paid informant for elan and answering to the Kruglicker, doesn't constitute as a business.


         :shamrock:  :shamrock:

        Unless it is 6 figures.

        Danny
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on May 26, 2010, 12:02:57 AM
        What? Kruglik uses 6 fingers on you?? OMG! That sick fuck! Well seeing he has swollen hands and fingers, I guess it would be kinda hard to use just one or two. :rofl: What does Kruglik do with the other 4 fingers? Are they reserved for himself cause you refuse to give him the courtesy of a reach around?  :rofl: Exactly how long have you been batting for Marty's team? :jawdrop:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: elangraduate on May 26, 2010, 12:27:26 AM
        Danny still hasn't told us what his business was.  What is your business Danny?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on May 27, 2010, 01:30:05 PM
        Danny's business? Tickle the hi yuh yuh mongoloid indians testicles with a feather.  :cheers:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: elanasshole on May 29, 2010, 01:36:33 AM
        The Irish usually aren't great business people unless it relates to selling paramilitary weapons in Belfast.

         :jawdrop:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 03, 2010, 02:57:56 PM
        :jawdrop :Danny you have stamina  :cheers:  :beat:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 03, 2010, 03:21:12 PM
        :rocker: Danny tell them all to go to hell  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 03, 2010, 03:50:18 PM
        Hmm wonder which liar Jeffrey is pretending to be
        I guess if its Marky (suckacock) Babbletits
        Or Sharon VIctim
        Its still the same lies,same deciet,nothing has changed except your sceen name.
        Interesting how you spew one thing,then act like the morons you are
        Danny may be an idiot
        But you 2 are liars,cheaters,thieves without a shred of human decency
        thats why you whine on a website instead of changing your lives
        I have to think its easier
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 03, 2010, 08:45:07 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Hmm wonder which liar Jeffrey is pretending to be
        I guess if its Marky (suckacock) Babbletits
        Or Sharon VIctim
        Its still the same lies,same deciet,nothing has changed except your sceen name.
        Interesting how you spew one thing,then act like the morons you are
        Danny may be an idiot
        But you 2 are liars,cheaters,thieves without a shred of human decency
        thats why you whine on a website instead of changing your lives
        I have to think its easier
        :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: I don't know you, you sick fuck so find someone else to play with. I am not part of the[ Art  ] game, go stalk and molest someone else. :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 03, 2010, 08:53:46 PM
        Quote from: "Jeffery"
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Hmm wonder which liar Jeffrey is pretending to be
        I guess if its Marky (suckacock) Babbletits
        Or Sharon VIctim
        Its still the same lies,same deciet,nothing has changed except your sceen name.
        Interesting how you spew one thing,then act like the morons you are
        Danny may be an idiot
        But you 2 are liars,cheaters,thieves without a shred of human decency
        thats why you whine on a website instead of changing your lives
        I have to think its easier
        :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: I don't know you, you sick fuck so find someone else to play with. I am not part of the[ Art  ] game, go stalk and molest someone else. :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:
        AMEN :rasta: But Jeffrey sweetie what do expect from him, he is after all an ex staffer too...
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 03, 2010, 09:08:18 PM
        Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
        Quote from: "Jeffery"
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Hmm wonder which liar Jeffrey is pretending to be
        I guess if its Marky (suckacock) Babbletits
        Or Sharon VIctim
        Its still the same lies,same deciet,nothing has changed except your sceen name.
        Interesting how you spew one thing,then act like the morons you are
        Danny may be an idiot
        But you 2 are liars,cheaters,thieves without a shred of human decency
        thats why you whine on a website instead of changing your lives
        I have to think its easier
        :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: I don't know you, you sick fuck so find someone else to play with. I am not part of the[ Art  ] game, go stalk and molest someone else. :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:
        AMEN :rasta: But Jeffrey sweetie what do expect from him, he is after all an ex staffer too...
        :peace: Sharon thats why no one talks to him or responds to his stupid post, Danny just gets sucked in and can't help himself, He attacked me and I don't even know this ass-hole. I don't understand why Danny gives him the time of day unless it's a staffers creed, set forth by Big Powerful Joe, But even Danny is not as crude and belligerent as this guy, someone should talk to Ginger and Mike about him even being here. He is bad news. :rocker:  :peace:  :rocker:  :peace:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 03, 2010, 09:15:59 PM
        Oh I totally agree with you no one responds to him at all and like madness he carries his conversations like his actually getting anywhere. I never laid eyes on Danny and really been a good 20 that I had dealings with the other staffer so it is all nonsense and baseless spew. Danny I believe wants some form of salvation but the other one wants vengance there is a huge difference.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 04, 2010, 07:14:00 AM
        Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
        Oh I totally agree with you no one responds to him at all and like madness he carries his conversations like his actually getting anywhere. I never laid eyes on Danny and really been a good 20 that I had dealings with the other staffer so it is all nonsense and baseless spew. Danny I believe wants some form of salvation but the other one wants vengance there is a huge difference.
        :cheers:  You could'nt have put it any better,the one is suffering from some real issues.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 04, 2010, 12:06:24 PM
        Awwwe
        DId you 2 get your feelers hurt ?
        Try telling the truth.. It shall set you free
        Instead of posting as yourselves you have been reduced to trolling. Wasnt it you Sharon, who wrote post after post about trolls being bad  ? Dishonest ? Hurtful ?
        Now look at ya. Look at what you have been reduced to.
        We expect that outa your pal Babbletits. He is a known scumbag,liar,cheater,and thief
        I guess I had higher hopes for you Sharon
        Tho not suprised
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on June 04, 2010, 12:15:41 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Awwwe

        Instead of posting as yourselves you have been reduced to trolling.


        So then, "liarsexposed" is your real name?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: deja vu strippers on June 04, 2010, 12:44:28 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Awwwe
        DId you 2 get your feelers hurt ?
        Try telling the truth.. It shall set you free
        Instead of posting as yourselves you have been reduced to trolling. Wasnt it you Sharon, who wrote post after post about trolls being bad  ? Dishonest ? Hurtful ?
        Now look at ya. Look at what you have been reduced to.
        We expect that outa your pal Babbletits. He is a known scumbag,liar,cheater,and thief
        I guess I had higher hopes for you Sharon
        Tho not suprised

        Hello Art were you that faggot who complained to Angela Smith of Heal about an alleged rape?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 04, 2010, 12:46:51 PM
        6 minutes Anne?
        You are slipping
        If you only had something of value to contribute. Maybe I would be willing to participate.
        Pretty funny..  a troll defending a troll
        Go hug someone Anne. Gotta be better than reading the poison that spews from Marky and Sharon
        Vengence they say LOL
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on June 04, 2010, 12:48:41 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Go hug someone Anne.

        I'll go hug someone and you go call your sponsor.  :cheers:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: deja vu strippers on June 04, 2010, 12:49:20 PM
        Art you're Jewish?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 04, 2010, 12:50:40 PM
        Wow a new acct b by another troll
        Shocking
        If you have a question Sharon.. Why not just ask me ?
        I am not your enemy
        You do enough damage to yourself,all by yourself
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on June 04, 2010, 12:51:21 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Wow a new acct b by another troll


        So then, "liarsexposed" is your real name?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: deja vu strippers on June 04, 2010, 12:51:40 PM
        Are you Jewish?  Please answer the question.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: deja vu strippers on June 04, 2010, 12:52:57 PM
        He's Danny I wouldn't be surprised.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on June 04, 2010, 12:55:54 PM
        Quote from: "deja vu strippers"
        He's Danny I wouldn't be surprised.


        Who, liarsexposed?  Nope...that's AA Art.  :cheers:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 04, 2010, 01:00:20 PM
        Pretty sure the only cocksucker here is Marky Babbletits
        He is still in the closet about it
        But we know
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: deja vu strippers on June 04, 2010, 01:02:34 PM
        You didn't answer the question of being Jewish?  Don't evade the question jew banger.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 04, 2010, 01:06:24 PM
        You are  correct
        I was ignoring you
        Come talk shit to my face
        Bring a lunch troll
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on June 04, 2010, 01:09:01 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        You are  correct
        I was ignoring you
        Come talk shit to my face
        Bring a lunch troll


        Your subscription has been renewed......


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        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: deja vu strippers on June 04, 2010, 01:15:00 PM
        Quote
        You are correct
        I was ignoring you
        Come talk shit to my face
        Bring a lunch troll

        Art you've always been a pussy.  Not much of a man either except when it comes to controlling younger women.  You'll have to live with it for the rest of your life.  Guilt, shame, flash backs, fear.....  Every time you look your kids in the eye you'll think of that younger lady Art.  That's a mistake you'll never be able to take back.  I will talk trash to you Art and will not settle for you evading my questions either.  Are you a Jew?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: deja vu strippers on June 04, 2010, 01:22:51 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        You are  correct
        I was ignoring you
        Come talk shit to my face
        Bring a lunch troll

        (http://http://forum.ntreev.net/pangya/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Discussions.Components.Files/11/6378.pedo-bear.jpg)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 04, 2010, 01:55:37 PM
        I am afraid I am fresh out of time for your insanity today Sharon
        Took part of the day off to play in the water.
        Any time you decide you have the  guts to speak face to face,and or back up what you have to say
        You know where I am at
        Anne... Thanks for letting me have a laugh at your expense as well
        This has been fun and refreshing
        Things that never change here at fornits.. Illness,and folks with no quality of life
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Paul St. John on June 04, 2010, 02:38:44 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Things that never change here at fornits.. Illness,and folks with no quality of life

        Hmmm... and yet you still don t feel good enough to play here.

        Paul
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 08, 2010, 05:05:54 PM
        Quote from: "deja vu strippers"
        quote]

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        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 09, 2010, 01:47:46 AM
        :roflmao:  :roflmao: Ive been on vacation enjoying swimming and hot tubs...awesome food...awesome friends....excellent times...Yes Art is Jewish. No I am not responding or speaking to that tard. Once again ARTY thinks he knows all. Wasn't me...lmao was not me...been having a blast this week not concentrating on this headcase at all. Plus if I got something to say to the MF I would directly say it, I got nothing to hide. Fact is I do not want to even converse with the likes of this piss ant period. ARTY already knows I know he is Jewish so idk why he is playing around like he is. Duh get a clue I got nothing to say to him because he is nothing to me. Arty has more enemies then me so dont blame it on me...wasnt me..lmao wasnt me this time.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 09, 2010, 04:07:08 AM
        - Joke -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        (http://http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_uieQJSaRXxk/SIUYE00z8tI/AAAAAAAAAmI/GAX_fuUXR0Q/s400/jew-in-vain-cartoon.jpg)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 09, 2010, 07:16:42 AM
        Vacation ? Thats what you call it,its ok with me.  A week or 2 in an asylum does a body good ? But your mind... Still whacked.
        Could you get your toungue further into Felice' ass ? Oh and for the perverts here.. maybe snap a picture.
        As soon as you are ready to shut the fuck up, I go away.. Its just that simple Sharon.. Oh ya.. and tell the truth darling.
        Another concept you cannot grasp..Still !
        OF course you would never sign in and post as someone else Sharon. You are way smarter than anyone here.
        Oy !
         :bs:  :bs:  :bs:
         ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::
        Thats all the time I have for you this morning
        The truth shall set you free
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 09, 2010, 09:28:53 AM
        :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Eliscu2 on June 09, 2010, 09:29:20 AM
        Quote from: "photo man"
        - Joke -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        (http://http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_uieQJSaRXxk/SIUYE00z8tI/AAAAAAAAAmI/GAX_fuUXR0Q/s400/jew-in-vain-cartoon.jpg)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 09, 2010, 09:30:36 AM
        Quote from: "psy,"
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Vacation ? Thats what you call it,its ok with me.  A week or 2 in an asylum does a body good ? But your mind... Still whacked.
        Could you get your toungue further into Felice' ass ? Oh and for the perverts here.. maybe snap a picture.
        As soon as you are ready to shut the fuck up, I go away.. Its just that simple Sharon.. Oh ya.. and tell the truth darling.
        Another concept you cannot grasp..Still !
        OF course you would never sign in and post as someone else Sharon. You are way smarter than anyone here.
        Oy !
         :bs:  :bs:  :bs:
         ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::
        Thats all the time I have for you this morning
        The truth shall set you free
        :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: Art your lucky someone hasn't sunk you on your boat you brag so much about or turned you into the Police yet. You are a vile disruptive person, you are committing internet crimes every time you speak,[ The Truth ]and who in the hell made you a lie-detector ?? and how do you know what the truth is ?? no one even responds to you at least not out in the open. You brag about being so successful, but say you work in a junk yard at the counter,????? Ok  Goober, I wouldn't brag about being the counter man in a junk yard, you must have the biggest trailer in the park too. I dont know you but I can see why you have such a people problem. You rant about injustice and this Sharon and Babblletits, Danny ,Fielic,etc  but no one really see's them even talk to you. You brag about the IRS I hope you know the guy and were he worked and can prove it,  The IRS can also come after you if the report was false or information was granted to you illegally. See only his employer would know if he had a tax issue or not. And if he gave you info like that you could both go to jail for identity theft and violations of the federal employment acts on privacy, I can't see him being dumb enough to brag about not paying taxes to anyone, and if he did fuck his dumb ass, But if he didnt watch yours and who ever told you that, you could be the one's with legal problems. I wish this forum would bring more positive and less negative, you claim to be so forthright and honest, so stand-up and right there for the group, Why dont you quit all the bashing and show the site that you are all who you claim to be. If others are bashing you show everyone how strong you are not to respond like an ass.After all isn't it the bigger person walks away?? Then when the other is left ,they look like the Ass and not you.?? [Think about it,or not]  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 09, 2010, 09:33:52 AM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Vacation ? Thats what you call it,its ok with me.  A week or 2 in an asylum does a body good ? But your mind... Still whacked.
        Could you get your toungue further into Felice' ass ? Oh and for the perverts here.. maybe snap a picture.
        As soon as you are ready to shut the fuck up, I go away.. Its just that simple Sharon.. Oh ya.. and tell the truth darling.
        Another concept you cannot grasp..Still !
        OF course you would never sign in and post as someone else Sharon. You are way smarter than anyone here.
        Oy !
         :bs:  :bs:  :bs:
         ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::
        Thats all the time I have for you this morning
        The truth shall set you free

        - Pork -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        (http://http://www.thefoodguys.com/images/PorkChops.jpg)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 09, 2010, 09:40:42 AM
        Quote from: "photo man"
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Vacation ? Thats what you call it,its ok with me.  A week or 2 in an asylum does a body good ? But your mind... Still whacked.
        Could you get your toungue further into Felice' ass ? Oh and for the perverts here.. maybe snap a picture.
        As soon as you are ready to shut the fuck up, I go away.. Its just that simple Sharon.. Oh ya.. and tell the truth darling.
        Another concept you cannot grasp..Still !
        OF course you would never sign in and post as someone else Sharon. You are way smarter than anyone here.
        Oy !
         :bs:  :bs:  :bs:
         ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::
        Thats all the time I have for you this morning
        The truth shall set you free

        - Pork -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        (http://http://www.thefoodguys.com/images/PorkChops.jpg)


         :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 09, 2010, 09:44:01 AM
        Quote from: "psy,"
        Quote from: "photo man"
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Vacation ? Thats what you call it,its ok with me.  A week or 2 in an asylum does a body good ? But your mind... Still whacked.
        Could you get your toungue further into Felice' ass ? Oh and for the perverts here.. maybe snap a picture.
        As soon as you are ready to shut the fuck up, I go away.. Its just that simple Sharon.. Oh ya.. and tell the truth darling.
        Another concept you cannot grasp..Still !
        OF course you would never sign in and post as someone else Sharon. You are way smarter than anyone here.
        Oy !
         :bs:  :bs:  :bs:
         ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::
        Thats all the time I have for you this morning
        The truth shall set you free

        - Pork -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        (http://http://www.thefoodguys.com/images/PorkChops.jpg)


         :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
        :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
        Title: BIG STAFF DICK ARTSHOW TAKE 1 MILLION
        Post by: Eliscu2 on June 09, 2010, 09:44:55 AM
        :suicide:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 09, 2010, 09:48:13 AM
        - Vagina -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
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        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Eliscu2 on June 09, 2010, 09:49:29 AM
        :suicide:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 09, 2010, 09:51:56 AM
        Quote from: "Eliscu2"
        Quote from: "photo man"
        - Vagina -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        (http://http://www.vagina-exam.com/images/vagina-exam.jpg)

        Wanna do Lunch Photo Man? :jawdrop:
        :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers: Now thats positive play LOL :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :peace:  :peace:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 09, 2010, 09:55:44 AM
        - Penis pump -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
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        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 09, 2010, 10:00:05 AM
        Old pan face shit dick kruglik likes to meditate in his tee pee and think up news ways to abuse the white mans teen. TCK's recent new abuse > Me suh going to have shotdowns clean me suh's pee pee after me suh fuck horse and/or buffalo, hi yuh yuh yuh yuh! Me suh also like to have anal sex with old over weight jewish men in a glorified row boat, hi yuh yuh yuh!
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Eliscu2 on June 09, 2010, 10:37:07 AM
        :suicide:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 09, 2010, 10:55:16 AM
        - Anal beads -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
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        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 09, 2010, 11:29:18 AM
        "Psy"
        Troll.. Sharon.. Marky .. or whomever
        Sink my boat ? I should be so lucky.. Its insured. But I will take that as one of your usual threats and document it accordingly. I think you have mis-understood.
        I truly dont give a fuck what you think. I didnt start this, But I will finish it if needed. If Sharon Shuts her mouth, I simply go away,you never hear from me again. Marky.. Another story. My finances (personal and business) are in order.
        I dont recall bragging about my success,but I could,because I am. Very few people could do what I do. I do work the counter sometimes tho. I like it. I like helping others. Ive been doing this job a long time and am very good at it. I produce 60-85k in revenue every month and I think my boss is pretty happy about it.
        As far as being the bigger person. That wouldnt be hard. This is Fornits. Worse yet.. Sharon and Mark. 2 low life's that just want to stir up trouble,then complain when it lands in their laps. They are ok spewing venom and bile,untill its turned around on them. Then they become victims. Hell Marky wont even see our pal in Fox Lake as a result of being caught in his lies.. To an outsider... Am still laughing at that one. at the lengths these 2 will go to to preserve their lies.
        Well thats all the time I have nfor you and Fornits today.
        BTW.. Just so you know. I have never had a pissing contest with Felice. She is perhaps one of my dearest friends,and for decades. Your info is,as usual,incorrect
        Try not to shit yourself today
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 09, 2010, 11:33:59 AM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        "Psy"
        Troll.. Sharon.. Marky .. or whomever
        Sink my boat ? I should be so lucky.. Its insured. But I will take that as one of your usual threats and document it accordingly. I think you have mis-understood.
        I truly dont give a fuck what you think. I didnt start this, But I will finish it if needed. If Sharon Shuts her mouth, I simply go away,you never hear from me again. Marky.. Another story. My finances (personal and business) are in order.
        I dont recall bragging about my success,but I could,because I am. Very few people could do what I do. I do work the counter sometimes tho. I like it. I like helping others. Ive been doing this job a long time and am very good at it. I produce 60-85k in revenue every month and I think my boss is pretty happy about it.
        As far as being the bigger person. That wouldnt be hard. This is Fornits. Worse yet.. Sharon and Mark. 2 low life's that just want to stir up trouble,then complain when it lands in their laps. They are ok spewing venom and bile,untill its turned around on them. Then they become victims. Hell Marky wont even see our pal in Fox Lake as a result of being caught in his lies.. To an outsider... Am still laughing at that one. at the lengths these 2 will go to to preserve their lies.
        Well thats all the time I have nfor you and Fornits today.
        BTW.. Just so you know. I have never had a pissing contest with Felice. She is perhaps one of my dearest friends,and for decades. Your info is,as usual,incorrect
        Try not to shit yourself today
        - Sinking boat -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        (http://http://technology.sympatico.msn.ca/content/channels/technology/photography/WhatMakesAPhotoGood_BoatSinking.jpg)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 09, 2010, 11:37:43 AM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        "Psy"
        Troll.. Sharon.. Marky .. or whomever
        Sink my boat ? I should be so lucky.. Its insured. But I will take that as one of your usual threats and document it accordingly. I think you have mis-understood.
        I truly dont give a fuck what you think. I didnt start this, But I will finish it if needed. If Sharon Shuts her mouth, I simply go away,you never hear from me again. Marky.. Another story. My finances (personal and business) are in order.
        I dont recall bragging about my success,but I could,because I am. Very few people could do what I do. I do work the counter sometimes tho. I like it. I like helping others. Ive been doing this job a long time and am very good at it. I produce 60-85k in revenue every month and I think my boss is pretty happy about it.
        As far as being the bigger person. That wouldnt be hard. This is Fornits. Worse yet.. Sharon and Mark. 2 low life's that just want to stir up trouble,then complain when it lands in their laps. They are ok spewing venom and bile,untill its turned around on them. Then they become victims. Hell Marky wont even see our pal in Fox Lake as a result of being caught in his lies.. To an outsider... Am still laughing at that one. at the lengths these 2 will go to to preserve their lies.
        Well thats all the time I have nfor you and Fornits today.
        BTW.. Just so you know. I have never had a pissing contest with Felice. She is perhaps one of my dearest friends,and for decades. Your info is,as usual,incorrect
        Try not to shit yourself today
        :cheers: BIG STAFF DICK ARTSHOW TAKE 1 MILLION
        by Eliscu2 » Today, 14:44

        psy, wrote:
        psy, wrote:
        liarsexposed wrote:
        Vacation ? Thats what you call it,its ok with me. A week or 2 in an asylum does a body good ? But your mind... Still whacked.
        Could you get your toungue further into Felice' ass ? Oh and for the perverts here.. maybe snap a picture.
        As soon as you are ready to shut the fuck up, I go away.. Its just that simple Sharon.. Oh ya.. and tell the truth darling.
        Another concept you cannot grasp..Still !
        OF course you would never sign in and post as someone else Sharon. You are way smarter than anyone here.
        Oy !
             
                     
        Thats all the time I have for you this morning
        The truth shall set you free

           Art your lucky someone hasn't sunk you on your boat you brag so much about or turned you into the Police yet. You are a vile disruptive person, you are committing internet crimes every time you speak,[ The Truth ]and who in the hell made you a lie-detector ?? and how do you know what the truth is ?? no one even responds to you at least not out in the open. You brag about being so successful, but say you work in a junk yard at the counter,????? Ok Goober, I wouldn't brag about being the counter man in a junk yard, you must have the biggest trailer in the park too. I dont know you but I can see why you have such a people problem. You rant about injustice and this Sharon and Babblletits, Danny ,Vader's Kid, CEO of HELL
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        but no one really see's them even talk to you. You brag about the IRS I hope you know the guy and were he worked and can prove it, The IRS can also come after you if the report was false or information was granted to you illegally. See only his employer would know if he had a tax issue or not. And if he gave you info like that you could both go to jail for identity theft and violations of the federal employment acts on privacy, I can't see him being dumb enough to brag about not paying taxes to anyone, and if he did fuck his dumb ass, But if he didnt watch yours and who ever told you that, you could be the one's with legal problems. I wish this forum would bring more positive and less negative, you claim to be so forthright and honest, so stand-up and right there for the group, Why dont you quit all the bashing and show the site that you are all who you claim to be. If others are bashing you show everyone how strong you are not to respond like an ass.After all isn't it the bigger person walks away?? Then when the other is left ,they look like the Ass and not you.?? [Think about it,or not]      

        HEY PEDO....http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic. ... AR#p365961 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30597&p=365961&hilit=PEDO+BEAR#p365961)
        You never confronted this....derail em just like a pro TROLL
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        Violent actions of the bad people
        Silence and indifference of the good people
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpZb-ciWXCA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpZb-ciWXCA)

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        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Eliscu2 on June 09, 2010, 01:17:53 PM
        YA HE TOTALLY MISSED THAT BECAUSE HE WAS TOO BUSY HATING....
        I DOUBT HE WILL READ IT OR EVEN FEEL GUILTY.
        HE WILL ATTACK ME NOW...HERE WE GO.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 09, 2010, 03:09:02 PM
        Quote from: "Eliscu2"
        YA HE TOTALLY MISSED THAT BECAUSE HE WAS TOO BUSY HATING....
        I DOUBT HE WILL READ IT OR EVEN FEEL GUILTY.
        HE WILL ATTACK ME NOW...HERE WE GO.
        :cheers: I have read your post and his and you have defiantly tried to stop his crazy jabber Felice but he doesn't get it, he thinks the only people that dont want to hear his shit is Sharon and Mark ,Danny.Well he is wrong and thinks he is the upper crust here at fornits, or did he forget the trouble he caused them.?? He blames it on others but he is the one who acted. He has chastised the site directors openly and makes such an ass out of himself. This Sharon just bates him along like a little fish and he follows with just unbelievable words, he is lucky that someone hasn't called the police on him for cyber bulling. He is convinced that only two people troll him but yet he travels as a troll,??????. And rants about being on top and so honest, but yet he hide's behind a screen name, at least this Sharon Danny and Mark use their real names. I use a screen names until I know someone and then I inter duce myself. But this Art guy is over the top, I think Ginger and Mike have him here for total entertainment, as a reward for the ones he fucked over.Nothing else would make scene, they dont like him, and they have made that point very clear. :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Eliscu2 on June 09, 2010, 06:30:06 PM
        Quote from: "psy,"
        Quote from: "Eliscu2"
        YA HE TOTALLY MISSED THAT BECAUSE HE WAS TOO BUSY HATING....
        I DOUBT HE WILL READ IT OR EVEN FEEL GUILTY.
        HE WILL ATTACK ME NOW...HERE WE GO.
        :cheers: I have read your post and his and you have defiantly tried to stop his crazy jabber Felice but he doesn't get it, he thinks the only people that dont want to hear his shit is Sharon and Mark ,Danny.Well he is wrong and thinks he is the upper crust here at fornits, or did he forget the trouble he caused them.?? He blames it on others but he is the one who acted. He has chastised the site directors openly and makes such an ass out of himself. This Sharon just bates him along like a little fish and he follows with just unbelievable words, he is lucky that someone hasn't called the police on him for cyber bulling. He is convinced that only two people troll him but yet he travels as a troll,??????. And rants about being on top and so honest, but yet he hide's behind a screen name, at least this Sharon Danny and Mark use their real names. I use a screen names until I know someone and then I inter duce myself. But this Art guy is over the top, I think Ginger and Mike have him here for total entertainment, as a reward for the ones he fucked over.Nothing else would make scene, they dont like him, and they have made that point very clear. :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 09, 2010, 07:54:58 PM
        Hello ? This is the operator, I have an emergency break through for a Mr. Martin Kruglik. The emergency message reads like this....
        Hi yuh yuh yuh yuh, Hi yuh yuh yuh yuh, would you like to fuck a goat?
        Hi yuh yuh yuh yuh, Hi yuh yuh yuh yuh, I have a buffalo in heat!

        TCK> Me suh must take this call over weight jewish man in glorified row boat, hope you find love at plentyoffish website, hi yuh yuh yuh!
        TCK> How! This suh Martin Kruglik, hi yuh yuh yuh yuh. You suh got goat foe me suh to fuck? Hi yuh yuh yuh yuh..
        Caller> You're a filthy, pan faced, shit dick, animal beastiality, nut sucking, child abusing, swollen handed peice of shit with shit brown eyes, disgraced your kind by a derranged fecal obsession, hi yuh yuh mother fucker!
        TCK> Who suh this? Hi yuh yuh yuh yuh!!
        Caller> Your worst nightmare, hi yuh yuh man.
        TCK> Me suh have lots of nightmares, mainly of an older teen making me suh's inferiority complex get out of control, and me suh can't look up past floor, hi yuh yuh yuh.
        TCK> Is this suh Ken Taretzky? Me suh sorry for trying to fondle your groan area when you suh came up to visit 10 years ago. Me suh want to make it up to you and let you suh fuck me in me suh's poopy hole, hi yuh yuh yuh.
        Caller>  :on phone:  :moon:  :-*  :rocker:  :cheers:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 10, 2010, 08:58:42 AM
        Quote from: "Eliscu2"
        Quote from: "psy,"
        Quote from: "Eliscu2"
        YA HE TOTALLY MISSED THAT BECAUSE HE WAS TOO BUSY HATING....
        I DOUBT HE WILL READ IT OR EVEN FEEL GUILTY.
        HE WILL ATTACK ME NOW...HERE WE GO.
        :cheers: I have read your post and his and you have defiantly tried to stop his crazy jabber Felice but he doesn't get it, he thinks the only people that dont want to hear his shit is Sharon and Mark ,Danny.Well he is wrong and thinks he is the upper crust here at fornits, or did he forget the trouble he caused them.?? He blames it on others but he is the one who acted. He has chastised the site directors openly and makes such an ass out of himself. This Sharon just bates him along like a little fish and he follows with just unbelievable words, he is lucky that someone hasn't called the police on him for cyber bulling. He is convinced that only two people troll him but yet he travels as a troll,??????. And rants about being on top and so honest, but yet he hide's behind a screen name, at least this Sharon Danny and Mark use their real names. I use a screen names until I know someone and then I inter duce myself. But this Art guy is over the top, I think Ginger and Mike have him here for total entertainment, as a reward for the ones he fucked over.Nothing else would make scene, they dont like him, and they have made that point very clear. :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:

         :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: [He harrasses me by 6 a.m. every morning.
        I tell him to leave me alone, but he will not.
        Obviously he thinks I care to hear his hatefull drivvel every morning.
        If I forgive someone, he gets all upset and controlling.
        He must think he is STAFF! You should have seen the BS he sent me last week. UNREAL.
        He also will not address the PEDO-BEAR "incident".http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30597&p=365961&hilit=PEDO+BEAR#p365961
        Like an Elan Director, he focusus on what he wants to and your needs never matter.
        I think he forgot I was "Corner Girl" and did not take shit at 16....will not now!
        He can go around taking advantage of Women, but he never says "I'm Sorry I took advantage of you."
        He needs to abuse someone EVERY DAY.
        :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
         :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa: Wow :jawdrop: Art it look like you have been exposed in a lie. Felice doesn't like you at all, as a matter of fact she doesn't seem to even want to hear from you.Sounds like you are stalking her,I wonder if she records everything you say for the record too. I bet her records and everyone else's are allot larger than yours. Do you want to talk about any other dear friends.Please come out to play Art. Maybe she will call the police, or someone will have the hard drive checked were you work at and have you and your boss arrested for cyber bulling and stalking. I think you have more to worry about than anyone you are harassing, Put that in your records, you will want that for court,LOL. you are a evil person and need to stop your vile harassment of others.No one is entertained and you are getting closer to that jail cell you belong in. Does your girlfriend know how you stalk woman and degrade them, I am sure she does but,then maybe an email might open her eyes to the real sick fuck you are. You forget Art you where staff at Elan and allot of people dont like you at all.And they watch you run around a play staff here. I dont know how Felice has been kind enough to even try to be a friend to you, must be the meds she was taking, Now that she stopped she can see, Felice is a bigger person than most and too good of a person for someone like you to have the right to call a friend. So stay off the bosses computer today and reflect on how you can be a better person or not. :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 10, 2010, 09:32:13 AM
        Quote from: "psy,"
        Quote from: "Eliscu2"
        Quote from: "psy,"
        Quote from: "Eliscu2"
        YA HE TOTALLY MISSED THAT BECAUSE HE WAS TOO BUSY HATING....
        I DOUBT HE WILL READ IT OR EVEN FEEL GUILTY.
        HE WILL ATTACK ME NOW...HERE WE GO.
        :cheers: I have read your post and his and you have defiantly tried to stop his crazy jabber Felice but he doesn't get it, he thinks the only people that dont want to hear his shit is Sharon and Mark ,Danny.Well he is wrong and thinks he is the upper crust here at fornits, or did he forget the trouble he caused them.?? He blames it on others but he is the one who acted. He has chastised the site directors openly and makes such an ass out of himself. This Sharon just bates him along like a little fish and he follows with just unbelievable words, he is lucky that someone hasn't called the police on him for cyber bulling. He is convinced that only two people troll him but yet he travels as a troll,??????. And rants about being on top and so honest, but yet he hide's behind a screen name, at least this Sharon Danny and Mark use their real names. I use a screen names until I know someone and then I inter duce myself. But this Art guy is over the top, I think Ginger and Mike have him here for total entertainment, as a reward for the ones he fucked over.Nothing else would make scene, they dont like him, and they have made that point very clear. :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:

         :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: [He harrasses me by 6 a.m. every morning.
        I tell him to leave me alone, but he will not.
        Obviously he thinks I care to hear his hatefull drivvel every morning.
        If I forgive someone, he gets all upset and controlling.
        He must think he is STAFF! You should have seen the BS he sent me last week. UNREAL.
        He also will not address the PEDO-BEAR "incident".http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30597&p=365961&hilit=PEDO+BEAR#p365961
        Like an Elan Director, he focusus on what he wants to and your needs never matter.
        I think he forgot I was "Corner Girl" and did not take shit at 16....will not now!
        He can go around taking advantage of Women, but he never says "I'm Sorry I took advantage of you."
        He needs to abuse someone EVERY DAY.
        :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
         :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa: Wow :jawdrop: Art it look like you have been exposed in a lie. Felice doesn't like you at all, as a matter of fact she doesn't seem to even want to hear from you.Sounds like you are stalking her,I wonder if she records everything you say for the record too. I bet her records and everyone else's are allot larger than yours. Do you want to talk about any other dear friends.Please come out to play Art. Maybe she will call the police, or someone will have the hard drive checked were you work at and have you and your boss arrested for cyber bulling and stalking. I think you have more to worry about than anyone you are harassing, Put that in your records, you will want that for court,LOL. you are a evil person and need to stop your vile harassment of others.No one is entertained and you are getting closer to that jail cell you belong in. Does your girlfriend know how you stalk woman and degrade them, I am sure she does but,then maybe an email might open her eyes to the real sick fuck you are. You forget Art you where staff at Elan and allot of people dont like you at all.And they watch you run around a play staff here. I dont know how Felice has been kind enough to even try to be a friend to you, must be the meds she was taking, Now that she stopped she can see, Felice is a bigger person than most and too good of a person for someone like you to have the right to call a friend. So stay off the bosses computer today and reflect on how you can be a better person or not. :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
        :waaaa:  :waaaa: [e: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        by liarsexposed » Yesterday, 16:29

        "Psy"
        Troll.. Sharon.. Marky .. or whomever
        Sink my boat ? I should be so lucky.. Its insured. But I will take that as one of your usual threats and document it accordingly. I think you have mis-understood.
        I truly dont give a fuck what you think. I didnt start this, But I will finish it if needed. If Sharon Shuts her mouth, I simply go away,you never hear from me again. Marky.. Another story. My finances (personal and business) are in order.
        I dont recall bragging about my success,but I could,because I am. Very few people could do what I do. I do work the counter sometimes tho. I like it. I like helping others. Ive been doing this job a long time and am very good at it. I produce 60-85k in revenue every month and I think my boss is pretty happy about it.
        As far as being the bigger person. That wouldnt be hard. This is Fornits. Worse yet.. Sharon and Mark. 2 low life's that just want to stir up trouble,then complain when it lands in their laps. They are ok spewing venom and bile,untill its turned around on them. Then they become victims. Hell Marky wont even see our pal in Fox Lake as a result of being caught in his lies.. To an outsider... Am still laughing at that one. at the lengths these 2 will go to to preserve their lies.
        Well thats all the time I have nfor you and Fornits today.
        BTW.. Just so you know. I have never had a pissing contest with Felice. She is perhaps one of my dearest friends,and for decades. Your info is,as usual,incorrect
        Try not to shit yourself today
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         :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  Is that your dear friend talking about you Arty,?? don't sound like love ,sounds like she doesn't want be to apart of your [Hate] or life in general. Felice has here share of arguments, I dont see her coming out sick on people like you and I know she is not that kind of person. Remember it was the ass-holes like you that kept her in that corner and mocked and tormented her at Elan and to pleasure in her displeasure. But she probably deserved it, she was just a smart -ass Jew kid from Winnetka. well so was I.  What was your excuse little rich kid from Highland Park, Family owned  one of the largest parts catalog co in ill at the time. How did you fall from grace,??. Why would you think your above anyone here, we were all at Elan, and suffered like Felice at the hands of you and the Zeretsky's of Elan. How do you stand here on a survivors forum and rant about how great you are and superior,?? You are still staff and prove it every time you speak. I have never seen you nice or agreeable with anyone. I have never seen you write a non bashing or constructive post to help anyone. You blame every response on someone else . {They said it first  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa: } Grow up Arty or not.  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:                          Ps. nice lie about Felice being your best dearest friend. I hope you dont torment her today for not siding with you. :cheers:  :cheers:  Good standing up Felice and good luck paying the price through the wrath of Arty. Just remember there is [911] he wouldn't hesitate to do it to you Felice, he has done it to others here including Mike and Ginger. He just thinks no one would defy him or report his actions to the authority's, Ha Ha , He could edit all of his post, and the site still has records, as well as I am sure so does everyone he has harassed and threatened. :beat:  :beat: Stay off the bosses computer today,You are also putting him in legal jeopardy, but I am sure you don't care. for the record :beat:  :beat:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 10, 2010, 10:16:10 AM
        Quote from: "psy,"
        Quote from: "psy,"
        Quote from: "Eliscu2"
        Quote from: "psy,"
        Quote from: "Eliscu2"
        YA HE TOTALLY MISSED THAT BECAUSE HE WAS TOO BUSY HATING....
        I DOUBT HE WILL READ IT OR EVEN FEEL GUILTY.
        HE WILL ATTACK ME NOW...HERE WE GO.
        :cheers: I have read your post and his and you have defiantly tried to stop his crazy jabber Felice but he doesn't get it, he thinks the only people that dont want to hear his shit is Sharon and Mark ,Danny.Well he is wrong and thinks he is the upper crust here at fornits, or did he forget the trouble he caused them.?? He blames it on others but he is the one who acted. He has chastised the site directors openly and makes such an ass out of himself. This Sharon just bates him along like a little fish and he follows with just unbelievable words, he is lucky that someone hasn't called the police on him for cyber bulling. He is convinced that only two people troll him but yet he travels as a troll,??????. And rants about being on top and so honest, but yet he hide's behind a screen name, at least this Sharon Danny and Mark use their real names. I use a screen names until I know someone and then I inter duce myself. But this Art guy is over the top, I think Ginger and Mike have him here for total entertainment, as a reward for the ones he fucked over.Nothing else would make scene, they dont like him, and they have made that point very clear. :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:

         :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: [He harrasses me by 6 a.m. every morning.
        I tell him to leave me alone, but he will not.
        Obviously he thinks I care to hear his hatefull drivvel every morning.
        If I forgive someone, he gets all upset and controlling.
        He must think he is STAFF! You should have seen the BS he sent me last week. UNREAL.
        He also will not address the PEDO-BEAR "incident".http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30597&p=365961&hilit=PEDO+BEAR#p365961
        Like an Elan Director, he focusus on what he wants to and your needs never matter.
        I think he forgot I was "Corner Girl" and did not take shit at 16....will not now!
        He can go around taking advantage of Women, but he never says "I'm Sorry I took advantage of you."
        He needs to abuse someone EVERY DAY.
        :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
         :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa: Wow :jawdrop: Art it look like you have been exposed in a lie. Felice doesn't like you at all, as a matter of fact she doesn't seem to even want to hear from you.Sounds like you are stalking her,I wonder if she records everything you say for the record too. I bet her records and everyone else's are allot larger than yours. Do you want to talk about any other dear friends.Please come out to play Art. Maybe she will call the police, or someone will have the hard drive checked were you work at and have you and your boss arrested for cyber bulling and stalking. I think you have more to worry about than anyone you are harassing, Put that in your records, you will want that for court,LOL. you are a evil person and need to stop your vile harassment of others.No one is entertained and you are getting closer to that jail cell you belong in. Does your girlfriend know how you stalk woman and degrade them, I am sure she does but,then maybe an email might open her eyes to the real sick fuck you are. You forget Art you where staff at Elan and allot of people dont like you at all.And they watch you run around a play staff here. I dont know how Felice has been kind enough to even try to be a friend to you, must be the meds she was taking, Now that she stopped she can see, Felice is a bigger person than most and too good of a person for someone like you to have the right to call a friend. So stay off the bosses computer today and reflect on how you can be a better person or not. :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
        :waaaa:  :waaaa: [e: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        by liarsexposed » Yesterday, 16:29

        "Psy"
        Troll.. Sharon.. Marky .. or whomever
        Sink my boat ? I should be so lucky.. Its insured. But I will take that as one of your usual threats and document it accordingly. I think you have mis-understood.
        I truly dont give a fuck what you think. I didnt start this, But I will finish it if needed. If Sharon Shuts her mouth, I simply go away,you never hear from me again. Marky.. Another story. My finances (personal and business) are in order.
        I dont recall bragging about my success,but I could,because I am. Very few people could do what I do. I do work the counter sometimes tho. I like it. I like helping others. Ive been doing this job a long time and am very good at it. I produce 60-85k in revenue every month and I think my boss is pretty happy about it.
        As far as being the bigger person. That wouldnt be hard. This is Fornits. Worse yet.. Sharon and Mark. 2 low life's that just want to stir up trouble,then complain when it lands in their laps. They are ok spewing venom and bile,untill its turned around on them. Then they become victims. Hell Marky wont even see our pal in Fox Lake as a result of being caught in his lies.. To an outsider... Am still laughing at that one. at the lengths these 2 will go to to preserve their lies.
        Well thats all the time I have nfor you and Fornits today.
        BTW.. Just so you know. I have never had a pissing contest with Felice. She is perhaps one of my dearest friends,and for decades. Your info is,as usual,incorrect
        Try not to shit yourself today
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         :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  Is that your dear friend talking about you Arty,?? don't sound like love ,sounds like she doesn't want be to apart of your [Hate] or life in general. Felice has here share of arguments, I dont see her coming out sick on people like you and I know she is not that kind of person. Remember it was the ass-holes like you that kept her in that corner and mocked and tormented her at Elan and to pleasure in her displeasure. But she probably deserved it, she was just a smart -ass Jew kid from Winnetka. well so was I.  What was your excuse little rich kid from Highland Park, Family owned  one of the largest parts catalog co in ill at the time. How did you fall from grace,??. Why would you think your above anyone here, we were all at Elan, and suffered like Felice at the hands of you and the Zeretsky's of Elan. How do you stand here on a survivors forum and rant about how great you are and superior,?? You are still staff and prove it every time you speak. I have never seen you nice or agreeable with anyone. I have never seen you write a non bashing or constructive post to help anyone. You blame every response on someone else . {They said it first  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa: } Grow up Arty or not.  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:                          Ps. nice lie about Felice being your best dearest friend. I hope you dont torment her today for not siding with you. :cheers:  :cheers:  Good standing up Felice and good luck paying the price through the wrath of Arty. Just remember there is [911] he wouldn't hesitate to do it to you Felice, he has done it to others here including Mike and Ginger. He just thinks no one would defy him or report his actions to the authority's, Ha Ha , He could edit all of his post, and the site still has records, as well as I am sure so does everyone he has harassed and threatened. :beat:  :beat: Stay off the bosses computer today,You are also putting him in legal jeopardy, but I am sure you don't care. for the record :beat:  :beat:
        [[ :jawdrop: Remember Arty this describes you  ]] :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:     Re: The way of the Kruglik
        by The Elan Reporter » 3 minutes ago

        PEDO > speedo BEAR> Bearing all. An unatractive, over weight, horny elan staff member would put on a speedo and propose sex for special privs for an under age teen male/female. Unforntanately, even a deprived hostage teen would not accept this proposition, but certainly got a great laugh at the unattractive, over weight, horny elan staff member wearing that speedo. After dozens of failed attempts trying to have sex with a teen, the staff member had no more options left and felt hopeless as much as he did useless, and turned to the hi yuh yuh indian for his sexual needs. Only stipulation with TCK is he had to loose the speedo and put on a buffalo hide made into a loin cloth, so that TCK felt right at home thinking he was having homosexual sex with his own kind.

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        Location: Elan Terrorist Group :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker: Do you wear a speedo on your 16 ft yatch,??? :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 10, 2010, 10:45:33 AM
        16 ft row boat with a painted name on the rear of the row boat that reads "Dateless & still looking". I betcha that lake empties real fast when they see a over weight jewish man in a speedo. Parents at the shoreline are yelling "kids kids, c'mon kids, it's time to go home NOW!". Female sun bathers all the sudden feel ill to their stomach and start vomiting and all others cover themselves up. I'll never forget the images at plentyoffish. What a sight!
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 10, 2010, 12:15:59 PM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        Old pan face shit dick kruglik likes to meditate in his tee pee and think up news ways to abuse the white mans teen. TCK's recent new abuse > Me suh going to have shotdowns clean me suh's pee pee after me suh fuck horse and/or buffalo, hi yuh yuh yuh yuh! Me suh also like to have anal sex with old over weight jewish men in a glorified row boat, hi yuh yuh yuh!
        OMFG ROFLMAO you almost had me pee this time Elan Reporter, priceless omfg priceless..You gave me such a good morning..Thank you.  I got the visual of the anal bead in the large jewish man. The tiny hole in the floor board that eventually cracks and the whole thing sinks. I see MK and ST laying naked on his deck, as he gives them hand pick selections of melon balls. His other hand extended to receive his Elan paycheck..could it be enough to buy a little bit of cocaine this week. Who knows. Maybe Jenny Craig would be more up his alley or a surgeon to have that mole removed.

        The big Jewish guy rants and raves like Mr Magoo dropping a dollar. The ad in hand demanding the sale is not over, as he slams his foot on the floor. He speaks of weakness in others and tantrums however he is the master of disaster. He spews lies but never produces a so called truth. He then goes sits with TCK and chants the beloved hi yuh yuh yuh yuh yuh yuh. Praying to his tin God to swish Karma back his way.

        He spews on disqust you will include me, you all shall include me, you better include me or you will be sorry. The side lines of suvivors sit in silence watching his daily tantrums and giggle in delight as he daily tops the fooolish measure he will go to. Yes he shall be remembered but not as nostagically as he is hoping for. It is the Ex Staffers wishes to be cleansed from the past, no way it is following them so closely and we are all here to remind them it will never go away.

        So as I sit here in the hot tub today sipping white zinfidel I will be giggling with delight as the fat rolly polly jewish man speaks nonsense and he will in fact be my personal comedy show. He never seems to disappoint any of us. I shall get them I shall get them rings over his brain. I shall make them pay..pay they will is his new chant. Happy life he spews but get him alone you quickily learn how he truly is. Living in the past filled with regret. Eats him away as he rolls over towards his girlfriend whom was too dumb to pick a good tatoo. An eyeball instead of an eightball. It was the hugest joke of all, he allowed his own special one to ruin herself because he cant stand women. Yeppers hes the man.....bahahahahahahahaahaha. If he is judge or jury then no wonder the twisted expectations are at an all time low.

        Ex Elan Staffer oh the glory of the nonsense. Does he not know he is our amusement in here, not the other way around. Me hi yuh yuh yuh yuh yuh hummm....keep grasping keep grasping, make them change their mind. You will make them do as you say.....get you cup of koolaid and spin it all day.....me he hum hi yuh huy yuh yuh yuh......lets get the popcorn out everyone it shall be a blessed day...Who shall be his target..ten bucks says I am...lmao It kinda reminds me of an bad episode of Beauty and the Beast. Maybe he can call his friend Sammy to bring him some greener cheer, then spew later he is sober still..lmao lmao lmao. Oh thats right he is here for the childrem...bahahahahahah ok lets buy that one today. He appears to be here for himself.

        Time for me to go do something productive today..I may or may not be back. Time to shop and get ready for a week of fun coming up. I feel like gambling today so will drive 45 minutes to the casinos and sip a couple margeritas. Plan the parties for next week and go travel to see a friend. Summer is not to be wasted around here. BBQ's daily and tons of fun. I am never alone nor will be...family is a wonderful thing especially when you make your own.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 10, 2010, 01:03:36 PM
        Here to bring a smile and laughs for all the good people here.  :cheers:  
        And as for the trolls ??? :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :suicide:

        And for TCK-----Keep on fucking them buffalos!  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 10, 2010, 03:49:46 PM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        16 ft row boat with a painted name on the rear of the row boat that reads "Dateless & still looking". I betcha that lake empties real fast when they see a over weight jewish man in a speedo. Parents at the shoreline are yelling "kids kids, c'mon kids, it's time to go home NOW!". Female sun bathers all the sudden feel ill to their stomach and start vomiting and all others cover themselves up. I'll never forget the images at plentyoffish. What a sight!
        :cheers:  :cheers: I have to ask you  Elan Reporter do you know Arty, I find it so uncanny that you have truly identified the one and only Arty . :roflmao:  :roflmao: I say that in jest, I can't see you and Arty playing well at all, he is that kid now one liked and grew up to be that guy no one likes. Elan gave him freedom to abuse and torment others in the name of righteousness, so he was able to feel worth and power. But no one ever  told him the ride was over. :beat:  :beat:  :beat: I do like how Felice exposed him for being a nothing and a stalker. He calls that poor girl  every morning to disrupt her day with his mental chaos and dribble, I wonder if his girlfriend knows he haunts woman during the day,???. I bet he is besides himself now Felice broke ranks and defied him openly.Said she was her own person and doesn't need help make or braking friendships, and she wont be controlled. I say to Felice go girl, you are much better than what this guy has to present. At least your involved in many causes to stop people like Arty from hurting other kids.And keep going you are making a difference Felice. :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 10, 2010, 04:09:41 PM
        Quote from: "psy,"
        Quote from: "deja vu strippers"
        quote]

        (http://http://forum.ntreev.net/pangya/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Discussions.Components.Files/11/6378.pedo-bear.jpg)
        :beat:  :beat:  :beat: Arty tell the truth, quit always being a phony :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 10, 2010, 04:17:24 PM
        - Sinking -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        (http://http://www.betternetworker.com/files/useruploads/16675/fat%20guy%20on%20sinking%20boat.jpg)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 10, 2010, 04:19:35 PM
        Quote from: "photo man"
        - Sinking -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        (http://http://www.betternetworker.com/files/useruploads/16675/fat%20guy%20on%20sinking%20boat.jpg)

        OMG! LMAO! I think fArts row boat is longer then that though.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 10, 2010, 04:25:04 PM
        - What happened to Art? -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        (http://http://www.bigfishtackle.com/photos/data/542/medium/redneck_bass_boat.jpg)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 10, 2010, 04:28:38 PM
        Quote from: "photo man"
        - Chair -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        (http://http://www.bigfishtackle.com/photos/data/542/medium/redneck_bass_boat.jpg)
        :jawdrop: You know Arty wanted to suit Fornits last time his photo was posted, But that is a fine vessel he pilots. Fun on the water in Wonder Lake :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: Great post, photo man.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 10, 2010, 04:38:49 PM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        Quote from: "photo man"
        - Sinking -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        (http://http://www.betternetworker.com/files/useruploads/16675/fat%20guy%20on%20sinking%20boat.jpg)

        OMG! LMAO! I think fArts row boat is longer then that though.
        :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin: Arty's going to hate you guy's for posting photo's of him, :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa: Ginger they are teasing me :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa: Mike make them stop or I will call my attorney. :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa: Arty you are full of :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs: , Tell The Truth. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on June 10, 2010, 04:43:08 PM
        Gotta admit....those are pretty damn funny!

         :cheers:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 10, 2010, 04:57:29 PM
        Im curious, just how many people are here now that fArt has managed to piss off? All the Arty haters, please come forward.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 10, 2010, 05:04:06 PM
        I can see it now. fArt is gonna come on sooner or later and talk about how he was on his glorified row boat, then had a bbq at his tiny 1 bed room home, crappily furnished, living in low income, lower class wonder lake IL. Same song and dance for the last 7 years, Mr. I work at a junk yard counter and think I'm wealthy. What a load of CRAP!
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 10, 2010, 06:07:55 PM
        http://www.plentyoffish.com/member942655.htm (http://www.plentyoffish.com/member942655.htm)

        About MeI have had an ad here for a long time. I have met a few women,but no matches. I think it must be a blessing because my life is very full. I spend alot of time working. Yep thats how it is when you own a business.But when I am not working,I enjoy my boat,my 100 lb dog and the quiet parts of the day. I am an early riser (5am)
        and live for cofee sometimes.I am generally happy and secure with my life. A life partner would be a huge bonus.
        First DateA cofee or something fun ... flying a kite or cooking a meal together,Lincoln Park Zoo.A long day floating down the Fox River. Sushi ! I like Sushi alot. I have the best place to go too.

         :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :rofl:  :rofl:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Pile of Dead Kids on June 10, 2010, 06:52:23 PM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        Im curious, just how many people are here now that fArt has managed to piss off? All the Arty haters, please come forward.

        I'm going to come forward because that cocksucker tried to shut down Fornits.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 10, 2010, 09:24:51 PM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        Im curious, just how many people are here now that fArt has managed to piss off? All the Arty haters, please come forward.
        IM HERE IM HERE present for roll call....lolz
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 10, 2010, 09:36:11 PM
        :karma:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 10, 2010, 11:12:57 PM
        Now sharon how did you know fArt, from elan? Was he in elan as a staff or resident? Thought I read a post where you were involved with him at one time? Correct me if I'm wrong. I know Fart had used a feamle persona screen name here at one time, among a few other screen names in the past. What really was kinda disturbing was him pretending to be a female hiding behind a female screen name here. Not sure the purpose of that was. I think it was more of a thing of making it look like he had people agreeing with him and people that were on his side. Turned out that he made up multiple names here and was agreeing with himself. Sure tell tale sign of a mental illness imo.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 10, 2010, 11:18:35 PM
        Also wanted to add, I have found some posts at different web addresses that fArt had made regarding the abuse that went on at elan. He certainly is NOT on the Kruglik train of abuse and condoning what went on. Some of his posts where made at some media sites, exposing the ugly side and sbuse that went on at elan. So I commend him for not being a robot kruglik and having at least one common agenda that I can respect.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Ursus on June 10, 2010, 11:19:51 PM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        What really was kinda disturbing was him pretending to be a female hiding behind a female screen name here. Not sure the purpose of that was. I think it was more of a thing of making it look like he had people agreeing with him and people that were on his side. Turned out that he made up multiple names here and was agreeing with himself. Sure tell tale sign of a mental illness imo.
        Seems to be an endemic phenomenon around here, from time to time...  :rofl:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 10, 2010, 11:25:22 PM
        I just dont get the "liarsexposed" name he is using. Who in the blue hell does he think he exposed? That boy sure does have alot of time to be a troll here.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 11, 2010, 05:58:51 AM
        - Happy -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 11, 2010, 09:32:18 AM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        Also wanted to add, I have found some posts at different web addresses that fArt had made regarding the abuse that went on at elan. He certainly is NOT on the Kruglik train of abuse and condoning what went on. Some of his posts where made at some media sites, exposing the ugly side and sbuse that went on at elan. So I commend him for not being a robot kruglik and having at least one common agenda that I can respect.
        :soapbox:  :soapbox:  I find that stuff to be a smoke screen,[ Elan Reporter ] after all he also posses as a woman from time to time, yes that is very disturbing. And yes he was Staff at Elan, so to gain any trust he would have say something positive. But his aftermath of bull-shit just overwhelms all his attempts at right. All liarsexposed has done is exposed himself as a phony and a predator.As a stalker and freak. Thank you[ Elan Reporter] for bring up Artys past on Fornits and the other vial ways he presents. Posing as a woman,?? is there something there,???? Maybe e-mail his girlfriend she might have some insight into Arty wish to be a woman. God know that any woman that has been involved with him wouldn't want to deal with him,any more. I think from what Sharon has written, she was young and very dumb, and this mistake has just followed her.Arty lives by her sister from what she has written on other sites, and likes to party with her and discuss Sharon. He has even gone as far as contacting Sharon's MOM and harassing her. Again she shit in her own back yard and cant get the smell out. IE, Arty the stalker. He feeds off her emotions and weaknesses, and just wont leave her alone, as well as Felice and any other person that mistakenly let him into their lives.He is that bad rash that wont stop coming back,he is like a reoccurring case of STD's. The nicotine stain that you cant wash out of your underwear,Over-all just a piece of garbage. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma: Do you believe in karma   and the easter bunny Arty. ??? Because it's your turn to be exposed, to your  Boss and everyone else you have offended or hurt. Time to take the emperors cloths and put him in the square. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers: Arty, Pedo Bear  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy:: It's amazing how many of Arty's friend come to his rescue, :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  It's even more funny how people who have been involved in Fornits for many years have come back to roast Arty on the open spit. I guess that theory on Sharon,Babiletits and Danny are wrong, Just everyone hates Arty and his hate dribble,not just them.I wonder were the big mouth is today ?? maybe on his 16ft    chair yacht. Man he looks so happy in that photo, even has his initial [A] on his hat if it blows off. I wonder if Joe Dirt works the counter with him at the junk yard ??. Hi I am Fart and sell used parts. What internet business do you own Arty ?? Child porn is illegal in all states, as well as stalking people . Does your boss Eric know what are doing on his computers during your work hours,at the junk yard in Richmond ??? Does he know he is liable for your behavior on his registered IP address,and that you could both be sharing a cell together, just for the record.You threaten folks and play with them and now its time you were exposed Arty. Maybe other junk yards are looking for a counter boy, I guess you will find out just what your value is when it comes time.Jail and fines or Arty ??? I bet you loose. :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:                                                     PS.great post Photo Man, but Arty will try and close Fornits now agian ??? Oh yea Arty has muddy the water so bad with his threats and harassment of others, that might be the wrong whistle for him to blow this time.I have heard there are several complaints to the cyber watch dog's about Arty already, so his time might be closer to jail than he thinks. How long can someone go like he has without paying the price for his crimes,??. He was the one that opened the door to cyber bulling,and we all gained some knowledge in that. And I know Ginger and Mike have just let him hang himself :beat:  :beat: So when he starts his tantrum again they will expose him.See what happens when you toot your horn Arty. :waaaa:  :waaaa: You have dug yourself quite a serious hole, notice how no one responds to you so you can trap them up in words,?? they just let you do all the talking,and you do that very well. :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 11, 2010, 10:24:11 AM
        :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers: Go get -em he has earned every bit of rough road, Staffer from Hell, I spent most of my time Shot-Down listening to ass-holes like you, and no I dont forgive any of the abusers. Some staff were ok and the others ????. It was one extreme or the other. Ed Friedman and Louis Ginsberg were ok, but Pan Face and Gottlieb were over the top. Jeff played nice but never stopped the fun.I wont say he was as bad as Pan Face, but he was in the same line just more undercover.Now Mc Cann he was just another animal and may he rest in Hell with Joe and all the other cronies. This Arty should be back at Elan with Pan Face, carrying the lotion and quell for the boy orientation shower. It would give him back the power he wants and needs so desperately.He has attacked me and I dont even know this fucken Ex-Staffer. I find him offensive and just outright sick. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: . Why would anyone stay at Elan if they had a choice, Danny from what he say's was kind of tied up with a legal rope to Joe's hip, so his choices were few, not defending Danny but that is the fact presented. Arty could have went back to the North Shore of Chicago, were the living is high and worked the family business and really been successful but didn't  ????? I have to wonder how Elan had more appeal,??. The north woods of Maine tormenting others and bullying them or Highland Park with the lavish land scape and crisp waters of Lake Michigan and coastal views that cost a fortune literally, new cars and just plenty of privileged freedom,?? { :beat:  Hard choice}  I grew up on the north shores of Chicago and I took advantage of my freedom when Elan said go.And I never looked back. I guess everyone is different. :peace:  :peace:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 11, 2010, 11:17:53 AM
        If fArt hasn't responded by now that is because he read all the recent posts and is either collecting himself because he is really out numbered at the time, or has decided to retreat and troll another forum, discussed as an idiot. :cheers:  I notice a pattern here, that fArt loves to stalk and harrass women, but never a man. Shows you how weak he really is. The mentally ill usually have fixations, and in this case fArt fixated himself on women and feels superior I would think when degrading them. What this man needs is a good ole fashinoned reality check. Only a coward would stalk a women and continually harrass her on a daily basis. fArt probably knows the feeling of rejection all to well, and therefore has developed a prejudice against women and will harrass them indefinately. He needs to be locked up in a place where he can be monitored and restrained when warrants. I'm sure at some point fArt has found pleasure in other illegal ventures, such as child porn. He may or may not be a shit dick, even homos have standards. :rofl:  I have a feeling seeing how he pretended to be a women online at one point, he might also have women clothing in his little home and cross dress. His illness will only get worse over time before he becomes too frustrated and cracks.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 11, 2010, 11:20:22 AM
        OMFG OMFG AW is probably flipping a lid......I got a visual of him picking up phone calling police or manipulating another dmca notice. OMFG and he has the utter gall to even suggest I focused all my energy on him. Priceless I have been so busy with my own life and children. Summer is here we are enjoying every waking moment of it. Poor little AW is so arrogant to even suggest I give a crap about his shitty boat or his shitty bullshit job. I seriously doubt he tells truth. But even if he is speaking the truth which I doubt with a name like "LIAR" he actually can. Money dont make a man. Money dont bring happiness at all. We all are able to pay our bills, travel, and have lives. Who the hell is he to suggest we live like poor white trash. I own deeds to things just like the next guy. BIG fucking deal. Thing is I did not live off my parents well deserved name like he did. He insults the memory of the name his own parents created. He did not earn the respect his parents did, he demanded it like a whinny little bitch. He thinks living hig on the hog is going to heal his soul? He can spend it all and still be a low life piece of shit. Not enough money in the world out there to fix his little tiny weenie problems.


        Its all my fault, Marks fault, now Felice...thing is we were not around most of his pathetic life. How are we responsible for his lunitic ways?? The Lair needs to repent and redeem himself on his own. You can fix many things but you cant fix assholitis.

        I rather be broke getting all my childrens needs then boosting about a crappy boat and the insurance it has. My joy is my family and the gift of life I am able to see them achieve things in awe. People tease I have so many children and different fathers. The thing is I am honored to be thier MOM. Every women knows the beauty and miracle of giving life. I do not regret a minute of my life. I am grateful for even the hard times, and all the good times. It shaped me into an excellent teacher for my children. I show them what half of us never were given by our parents UNCONDITIONAL love.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 11, 2010, 11:22:33 AM
        Artman-bot model #A-1 malfunstion troubleshooting guide
        by Guest » 24 Aug 2005, 23:59

        I brought my artman bot out in public and my artman bot went crazy. It started to go around and ask to lick the genitals of every male it came across.

        It also went into the mens room and licked all the urinals clean and then drank the dirty unflushed shit water from all the toilets. I'm tellin ya, this artman bot is fuckin sick!
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        Artman-bot model #A-1 malfunstion troubleshooting guide
        by Arthur Warshitski » 25 Aug 2005, 00:43

        I am an artman-bot, and I just want to let you all know the day I came off the assembly line 30 plus years ago I still function like brand new.

        Though our kind "artman-bots" are basically obselete to date, we can still carry out certain tasks when given to us.

        For instance, our kind loves to go to a 5 and dime and purchase all gay man nudity books and masterbate for endless hours.
        Though my pecker is ancient and I do require mass quantities of Viagra, I still have alust for those magizines.

        We also like to hang around grade schools pleasuring ourself during recess hours. and when accompanied by other artman-bot models we all show a great deal of spirit for each other.

        We cheer each other on by saying, " go artman, go artman, go artman, you old grey haired bot."

        I am Arthur Warshitski but you can call me Arty Farty.
        omo Arigato
        Mr.Artman Roboto
        Domo - Domo :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  Wow :jawdrop:   Fart you just breed love every were you go, :waaaa:  :waaaa:  is this the past and your not being truthful,??? have you been caught in a lie again,??. You dont have all those friends from over the years do you,??. As a matter a fact just the opposite, and you lied again.[ Elan Reporter] knows you and your vial antics and thank you to him for recording the past for the records. And to expose liars like Fart. I wonder if liarsexposed is really a cry for help :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  I am needy with no friends someone like me or believe my lies. :waaaa:  :waaaa:  I see the real humor in you getting your truth handed to you Farty, you are a vial rude man and should go to jail for your harassment and degrading of people over the years. You are nasty rotten person :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on June 11, 2010, 11:27:47 AM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
         I notice a pattern here, that fArt loves to stalk and harrass women, but never a man. Shows you how weak he really is. The mentally ill usually have fixations, and in this case fArt fixated himself on women and feels superior I would think when degrading them. What this man needs is a good ole fashinoned reality check. Only a coward would stalk a women and continually harrass her on a daily basis. fArt probably knows the feeling of rejection all to well, and therefore has developed a prejudice against women and will harrass them indefinately.


        Wait, wait, wait.......are you talking about AA Art or DannyBoy?  Cuz Danny seems to have the same problem, wrt women.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 11, 2010, 11:35:41 AM
        The artman-bots. lmao!!!! How did you come across them psy?  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  Holy shit, that is just way too funny.

        fArt will lie about his finacial status in a lame attempt to make himself feel better. He really is functioning on a level of a pre-teen, by making up all these lies about himself and bragging about materials that he does not have, or does have, but are being painted into a Picaso. A row boat with a 10 hp out board motor is nothing to brag about.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 11, 2010, 11:37:44 AM
        Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
         I notice a pattern here, that fArt loves to stalk and harrass women, but never a man. Shows you how weak he really is. The mentally ill usually have fixations, and in this case fArt fixated himself on women and feels superior I would think when degrading them. What this man needs is a good ole fashinoned reality check. Only a coward would stalk a women and continually harrass her on a daily basis. fArt probably knows the feeling of rejection all to well, and therefore has developed a prejudice against women and will harrass them indefinately.


        Wait, wait, wait.......are you talking about AA Art or DannyBoy?  Cuz Danny seems to have the same problem, wrt women.

        Art. FYI ... fArt = Art.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 11, 2010, 11:41:31 AM
        Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
         I notice a pattern here, that fArt loves to stalk and harrass women, but never a man. Shows you how weak he really is. The mentally ill usually have fixations, and in this case fArt fixated himself on women and feels superior I would think when degrading them. What this man needs is a good ole fashinoned reality check. Only a coward would stalk a women and continually harrass her on a daily basis. fArt probably knows the feeling of rejection all to well, and therefore has developed a prejudice against women and will harrass them indefinately.


        Wait, wait, wait.......are you talking about AA Art or DannyBoy?  Cuz Danny seems to have the same problem, wrt women.
        :cheers:  Anne they could be the same person, Farty is an industrial troll and travels as a woman and sometimes as someone else to elude his real identity, he will comes as friend and turn into fo. Look at Felice as his latest victim, she probably changed her phone number and e-mail address.Sharon I think is building her file for the Sheriff's office. Danny Bennison sits on his own island, Farty has also attacked him and played the game with Danny but he is a man ,so it wasn't as much fun so Farty retreated to woman again.{Elan Reporter } has dealt with farty for many years, so his dribble has been heard by others for a long time as I am sure you know yourself. He has just made such a liar of him self he has to be exposed, again!!!!! :cheers:  :cheers:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 11, 2010, 11:42:47 AM
        All I have to say at this point directly to AW is KARMA is a bitch. Enjoy your KARMA sweetie because I am going to go spend the day with my family.....I will come on tonight after you once again spin your heals. I suggest you get some red slippers and click them 3 times..there is no place like home....Enjoy your own realitity. This is of your own making AW.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Ursus on June 11, 2010, 11:43:17 AM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
         I notice a pattern here, that fArt loves to stalk and harrass women, but never a man. Shows you how weak he really is. The mentally ill usually have fixations, and in this case fArt fixated himself on women and feels superior I would think when degrading them. What this man needs is a good ole fashinoned reality check. Only a coward would stalk a women and continually harrass her on a daily basis. fArt probably knows the feeling of rejection all to well, and therefore has developed a prejudice against women and will harrass them indefinately.
        Wait, wait, wait.......are you talking about AA Art or DannyBoy?  Cuz Danny seems to have the same problem, wrt women.
        Art. FYI ... fArt = Art.
        To muddy the waters even more, it appears that Danny knows a thing or two about religious farting (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&p=366487#p366487).
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 11, 2010, 11:48:39 AM
        Quote from: "Ursus"
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
         I notice a pattern here, that fArt loves to stalk and harrass women, but never a man. Shows you how weak he really is. The mentally ill usually have fixations, and in this case fArt fixated himself on women and feels superior I would think when degrading them. What this man needs is a good ole fashinoned reality check. Only a coward would stalk a women and continually harrass her on a daily basis. fArt probably knows the feeling of rejection all to well, and therefore has developed a prejudice against women and will harrass them indefinately.
        Wait, wait, wait.......are you talking about AA Art or DannyBoy?  Cuz Danny seems to have the same problem, wrt women.
        Art. FYI ... fArt = Art.
        To muddy the waters even more, it appears that Danny knows a thing or two about religious farting (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&p=366487#p366487).
        Ursus...lmao..lmao...roflmao......I cant even respond but your dead on that assessment too......OMG fornits is funny this morning. I am glad to see all of us can have humor to laugh off some of these tantrums we are exposed to daily by these two idiots. roflmao I got to go have some more coffee to wake up more, you all have improved my day already....
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on June 11, 2010, 11:48:55 AM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        A row boat with a 10 hp out board motor is nothing to brag about.


        Is that really what it is??
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on June 11, 2010, 11:53:29 AM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
         I notice a pattern here, that fArt loves to stalk and harrass women, but never a man. Shows you how weak he really is. The mentally ill usually have fixations, and in this case fArt fixated himself on women and feels superior I would think when degrading them. What this man needs is a good ole fashinoned reality check. Only a coward would stalk a women and continually harrass her on a daily basis. fArt probably knows the feeling of rejection all to well, and therefore has developed a prejudice against women and will harrass them indefinately.


        Wait, wait, wait.......are you talking about AA Art or DannyBoy?  Cuz Danny seems to have the same problem, wrt women.

        Art. FYI ... fArt = Art.


        I know.  It was kinda rhetorical.  They both are avid AAers and both suffer from Staff Personality Disorder.  Most of it seems to be targeted towards women, in both cases.  Wonder what they're putting in the coffee these days at meetings?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 11, 2010, 12:54:34 PM
        LMAO I thought they were here for the children.....isnt that what they both claimed before...looks more for their selfish needs. Too much Koolaid they dish out....did anyone tell them we only prefer cherry koolaid not the grape koolaid....
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 11, 2010, 01:01:31 PM
        fArt is an exstaffer, but I do not believe he supports what goes on there. He's not like say a ken Zaretsky who must likely gets a bonus for referrals from what I heard from a few people awhile back. fArt does hate elan and it's staff, so he does have one good thing in common. Some may think he is pretending, but if you do a search on his name, you will find postings where he posted at a media outlet, exposing the ugly truth of what went on, in hopes they will investigate elan on a more aggressive level.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Pile of Dead Kids on June 11, 2010, 02:21:44 PM
        I don't actually have anything to say about this worthless clusterfuck of a thread, I just want Post #666 on it (Reply #665).
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Froderik on June 11, 2010, 02:26:50 PM
        Elan was a loving place of hope and healing where people could work on their drug and alcohol problems with some dignity and pride. Your supportive family network is willing to work on themselves to help reconnect with you in spite of the relationships that you once ruined with them. A team of professional staff members to help and assist you and your loved ones through the long and painful recovery process. Are you diseased individuals? Yes. Are you the lowest form of life on Earth? I`m afraid so. Do you need a time out from society because of all the bridges you have burned because of your addictions? Without a druggie doubt. Upon graduation you may even wish to serve on the honorable staff and help other addicts with their problems. If you prove you are a worthy example to others you might be accepted to join this ring of honor called "Staff." Is Elan confrontational? Yes but only in a tough love way, and if you complete the program you will come to understand that the sweet is never as sweet without the sour. I wish you well as you take this brave and unpredictable journey of recovery and discovery.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 11, 2010, 02:58:21 PM
        :karma:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 11, 2010, 03:08:44 PM
        :karma:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 11, 2010, 04:15:03 PM
        Tough love defination for Joe ricci was fucking Claire in the staff trailer after hours, with Martin Kruglik peeking in the windows to watch Joe and Marc Rosenberg peeking in the other window to watch Claire and masterbate. Marc had a habit of peeking in the windows and masterbating. I personally caught him peeking in the window of the female bathroom while a female teenager was in there using it. I was very surprised of the excuse Marc used, and how well he used it expeditiously. He said he was over seeing the girl because she was a corner person and had she also had a history of suicidal thoughts. Now this occurred at night and Marc was pretty well scootched down behind a bush so that it would not be too noticeable for someone to see if someone happen to be outside walking in the parking lot. If he really was over seeing her, he didn't have to be scootched down, it's not like he would of been seen by the girl in the potty cause it was dark outside, Marc just didn't want to be seen from anyone else. Also found it funny how after I caught him, he got up and walked towards me and went back int he house, leaving the girl with no one over seeing her as well. I knew what he was doing and Marc knew that I knew what he was doing. Also during my stay, I remember the great pantie caper where feamle panties had mysteriously disappeared from the female dorms. It was discovered that the panties would go missing after the females hit the floor. Not saying Marc was the pantie theif, but it was brought up quite a bit that female panties went missing while on Marcs watch as over night staff. I think the culprit went on a pantie search and sniff mission while everyone was in school at night. Marc was always never around alot of the times between the hours of 7-10 pm weekdays. I think he used to tell the c.o.d that he was going to take a nap or something and this would of been the perfect time to shoot dope in the old e-7 building aka the luggage cabin, and then go on a seek and sniff pantie mission in the female dorms. There was alot of coruption that went on with most of the staff, even with the guidance counseler (whom I forgot his name). He got canned by elan cause he knocked up a 17 year old resident and elan decided to grant her a early graduation to cover it up. She graduated a full coordinator at 16-18 months. The average stay was 18 - 24 months at the time and after full coordinator, one would get re-entry for 3-4 months before graduating. So much corruption, so many lies, so much deception all at the hands of the staff..Marc Rosenberg, Claire Woodman, Marty Kruglik, Joe Ricci, Ken Zaretzky, Linda Roy, Ann Flyn, and Peter Rowe. Yea Pete Rowe always had to have 2-3 female residents hanging out with him in the house living room while the rest of the house was in school. And in many cases, the girls would be sitting close by him. I know that Peter wanted to have sex with these young girls, he had a very hard time keeping his hands out of his pockets when in the company of them. Not sure of Marty ever tried to get with a female resident, if he did try it would of have to been a corner person in restraints, cause Marty was a very ugly looking man to be honest. I know he was jealous of Pete Rowe cause Pete knew how to charm the ladies and Marty couldn't. This is mainly why Marty found love with buffalos and preached his indian heritage on the houses. Also found it ironic that Marty always had the company of male residents in his sweat lodges on the soccer feild behind elan one. Marty was all into that (cleanse your soul bullshit) but I think used it as an excuse to see male residents int heir under wear.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 11, 2010, 05:20:52 PM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        fArt is an exstaffer, but I do not believe he supports what goes on there. He's not like say a ken Zaretsky who must likely gets a bonus for referrals from what I heard from a few people awhile back. fArt does hate elan and it's staff, so he does have one good thing in common. Some may think he is pretending, but if you do a search on his name, you will find postings where he posted at a media outlet, exposing the ugly truth of what went on, in hopes they will investigate elan on a more aggressive level.
        :cheers:  :cheers:  Did you ever think maybe Zaretsky pissed him off and wouldn't  let Farty join his click.?? I know we have all told are negative stories and hates for Elan, that doesn't make us righteous. The fact we stand up for each other does, and Fart just bashes everyone and likes it. We all have our times and disagree, but Fart takes things to a level thats unforgivable. I see him going from abuser to guilt back to abuser. He found out that even if he sides with the residents he is still hated and not liked and he cant handle the truth. He has already struck some peoples life so hard that, he will always be on the out's in life. This Sharon must be the bomb, I would like to see her photo, same with Felice. This guy has been stalking them for years,even claimed to have taken advantage of Sharon when she was young.with drugs and other tricks. This all written stuff, and Fart didn't deny it's truth. I take his negative words for Elan with a grain of salt, he is too nasty to be honest and forthright. He has found no one who wants him, he tried Elan and no luck, tried hating Elan and no luck,he tried drugs and manipulation and no luck, he tried his family and no luck. He is the kid no one liked and grew up to be the man no one likes.And after Eric finds out what he does all day at the parts counter at the junk yard  he wont like Fart ether.How about his girl friend he lives with, what happens when she see'e he stalks women every day. ?? she wont like him ether, or hate him more than already. I wonder how many times she has tried to throw him out.??? :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:   :rocker:  :rocker: PS> Ken Zaretsky and Farty are from Highland Park ill, so maybe Farty thought Ken owed him something. I remember Zaretsky as a real ass-hole manipulator and sneak ::unhappy::  ::unhappy:: A cheap Pan Face knock -off, and loved Elan and Joe.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 11, 2010, 10:13:32 PM
        Wow guys
        I guess I have been quite popular. I just gotta say, I had a couple huge laughs at your expense today. Thank you
        You can write what you want. Twist it into anything you like. But the facts still remain.
        In fact Marky
        there are only 2 things keeping you from driving up the street to confront me face to face
        1) common Sense
        2) cowardice
        Your several screen names make me laugh at you almost as hard as laughing at Sharon. This appears to be all you little people have,and at least  you have each-other. How comforting
        I think thats a great idea for you to come down and see Eric. In fact I'll buy the coffee Mark
        I do not,never have,nor will I ever resort to making up 2-3 screen names for myself. I have never pretended to be a woman,tho I had a HUGE laugh about that with Eric today. He is a pretty decent guy,and has witnessed 1st hand the lies and insanity that is Marky Babbletits. Lets not forget our pal "S" Marky.. Ya done fucked up by tellin him lies, and you got caught. What a coincidence.
        I will check in some oither time to shake my head and laugh at you.
        Lemme know when/if you grow a pair Marky. I'll be waiting.
        Did you file your income tax this year ?
         :hug:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 11, 2010, 10:37:57 PM
        Who is Marky Babbletits? Babbletits a real last name, or one of those fArt lame made up names?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 12, 2010, 08:23:37 AM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        Who is Marky Babbletits? Babbletits a real last name, or one of those fArt lame made up names?
        I think his real name is babbitz, he is on the site. Just someone Farty has targeted as a victim. See how he thinks it's all him and Sharon ha ha. I guess you must Babbitz too Elan reporter lol. he is big bad  Farty. See how he steps out so proudly trying to talk down his exposure, like ha ha you cant hurt me I am Fart Man.I think if he bothered to look at the people posting, he would find some from years ago coming back to ex-spell him. He is a very sick person and needs some mental and legal help. He claims his boss at the junk yard thinks things are so funny, I cant imagine Eric being so stupid,knowing there are laws against cyber bulling. But it's Farty's world and anything is possible, I guess he is a stalker and abuser too. What program was he in as staff,??  lol. Keep going Farty you look like your normal self that everyone hates and loathes. Oh that right your dear friends Felice and the others. We haven't seen anyone stand up for you, quite the opposite. The ones you called friends attacked you and  denounced you as any kind of friend., as a matter of fact called you stalker.so did everyone else. Its in print and on this site read along Farty. The truth has been exposed about you . Just like in 2004 and 2005 when Elan Reporter had to chase you away, with all the others folks at the time.You are a joke Farty and always will be.Why would you call some body out to see you,?? You are a snitch and like to call the police and cry he hurt my feelings , Remember all your post when you got Fornits shut down ??. This Babbitz guy seems to be allot smarter than you same with Sharon and Danny. They just let you go on and on,  and watch you dig your hole deeper. Thanks for bring Farty's past up Elan Reporter,We think he needs to be exposed for the liar and phony he is. His boss thinks its a joke how he acts ?? that guy must be as fucked up as Farty. :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 12, 2010, 09:47:51 AM
        - King Art -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Wow guys
        I guess I have been quite popular. I just gotta say, I had a couple huge laughs at your expense today. Thank you
        You can write what you want. Twist it into anything you like.
         :hug:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 12, 2010, 10:07:04 AM
        - Prejudices - :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Wow guys
        I guess I have been quite popular. I just gotta say, I had a couple huge laughs at your expense today. Thank you
        You can write what you want. Twist it into anything you like.
         :hug:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 12, 2010, 10:59:12 AM
        Interesting choice of words fArt would use "Babbletits". It would seem like a word like that would be used for a man who is over weight and has what looks like female tits, but all loosly hanging there. I wonder if that is a word fArt uses to refer to his chest? I would guess that fArt has a farmers tan during the summer time, he must feel embarrassed to remove his shirt at the lake when other people can see him. Thats probably a big self esteem problem for him, his man-tits. :roflmao: Maybe thats why fart choose to dress up in females clothes, to take control of his man-tits. Pretending to be a female online is a real tell tale sign of an illness and also is a red flag. I just hope it hasn't gone as far as pretending to be a child and post at a childs forum. I also liked how fArt said he just happened to stop by and say that he has been popular. Fact is he stops by this forum probably more then 2 dozen times a day, he has been for over 7 years now and where ever there is contraversity, there is fArtman.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 12, 2010, 11:18:56 AM
        - Arts man tits -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        Thats probably a big self esteem problem for ART, his man-tits. :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 12, 2010, 11:36:31 AM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        Interesting choice of words fArt would use "Babbletits". It would seem like a word like that would be used for a man who is over weight and has what looks like female tits, but all loosly hanging there. I wonder if that is a word fArt uses to refer to his chest? I would guess that fArt has a farmers tan during the summer time, he must feel embarrassed to remove his shirt at the lake when other people can see him. Thats probably a big self esteem problem for him, his man-tits. :roflmao: Maybe thats why fart choose to dress up in females clothes, to take control of his man-tits. Pretending to be a female online is a real tell tale sign of an illness and also is a red flag. I just hope it hasn't gone as far as pretending to be a child and post at a childs forum. I also liked how fArt said he just happened to stop by and say that he has been popular. Fact is he stops by this forum probably more then 2 dozen times a day, he has been for over 7 years now and where ever there is contraversity, there is fArtman.
        :cheers:  :cheers:  Are you guys sure you dont know Farty, You and Photo Man have him down to a tee. I can only imagine the stories Elan reporter has to tell of the crusades of the great Farty. I have read some of  the Elan Reporter and he  is on top of this guy. I see he tried to target the Reporter and got his ass handed back to him, Reporter must be a male. He has quite a long track record for being a true ass-hole for many years. Wonder if Eric has read his past, maybe send him a copy of the great words of Farty. I am sure thats who he wants his customers dealing with at the junk yard. He is very sick and depraved. Photo Man great shots dude. Fartry is going to get you,lol lol. I cant wait for him start his crying to Ginger and Mike so they can tell him to fuck himself. But he probably thinks of them as long time friends too, Ha Ha. Thats why he turned them in and[ Snitched ]them out.He has just respect for friendship. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 12, 2010, 11:44:26 AM
        Oh I see the FARTY tantrum is continuing...I would look that idiot in the eyes any given day of the week however I dont associate with the lower scum of the earth. This guy is crazy just crazy how he thinks we all need to be his verbal punching bags. If I am not mistaken doesn't he have some stupid girlfriend that does that for him. I forsee a guy like this dying all alone in a nursing home with no visitors. His days are number before bad karma will jump out of somewhere on him. I find it amusing how he still speaks about me and I stepped over him like a maggot in the ground. I want nothing to do with him nor do I even speak to him. This guy is nuts. All about Farty every damn day. We really need to stop giving him attention all of us. I think this thread should stop because we are all giving the prick attention and he does not deserve any focus to be on him. Poor little Farty daily, it is out of control and a waste of good energy. Do you all not see he is making himself famous even if he is the vilian? This is what he wants to be somehow famous and remembered. Do not give him any notice. He will go more crazy when he is fully ignored and spouts off like a whiney girl. He is trying to control all of us or am I the only one who sees this? It is bullshit let the guy go away and speak his bullshit alone. We all made it clear how we feel now we need to stop fully. Let the baby talk to himself..put him in the corner for once. Pretty sad when everyone knows who arty is..really sad  he does not deserve any attention, or even his name remembered. Let him crawl back under his rock please everyone ignore ARTY the new wave of Fornits..please. As for Danny ignore his whinny ass too. They are both staffers for Gods sakes, put them in their places..under our shoes.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 12, 2010, 06:20:45 PM
        See how fArt has been quiet now? And only posted 1 time since everyone ganged up on him? Thats because he is cowarding away, he is out numbered, feels defeat and must retreat. I guess after my 2-3 year absence, fArt decided to come back and do what he does best. Not to hog all the spot light, but there also were 4-5 other people who haven't been here in years that also used to hand fArt's ass to him daily as well. It also was then that he retreated as well and moved on, at least all of us thought he did. fArt for some reason seems to get lost or confused as to what his purpose here is. I assume something must trigger off inferiority feelings inside him and he simply acts of his jealously for some reason. Problem with fArt is, he doesn't know how to stick to his lies 100%, there is a huge flaw in them. He went around posting years ago that he owned a business and traveled around the country wheelin and dealing. At least he came clean with being a counter boy at a junk yard, probably making little over minium wage depending on his experience. A real life head case is what he is, and thats just the way he is folks. But at least we get a great laugh at his dumb ass, or shall I say we did.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 12, 2010, 06:47:38 PM
        Yes Yes girls
        You have ganged up on me. My Esteem is in very poor shape, I may not be able to get through my steak dinner tonight.
        I am glad nothing has changed Sharon. Still tellilng lies,still whining like the little cunt you are. Also glad to have rented that VERY cheap space in yours,and your "pretend" Screen name head.As far as the Troll "reporter"
        Still after all these years(and its been many) You remain a coward,hiding behind a screen name,in a place for the sickest of the sick
        Been fun watching you make asses out of yourself. But its dinnertime.
        Try not to shit yourself girls
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 12, 2010, 07:56:48 PM
        fArt do you still fuck your dog? I recall a time where someone brought that up and you became very defensive about it. Also your date profile...You would think after it being up there for well over 5-6 years, you would change it around some and use different pictures.  :waaaa: You look like a skunk ape dude! Glad to see how many friends you have these days here at fornits. What happen, the other elan forum grew tired of you and kicked you out? Just because you are fat, ugly, have man tits, fuck canines, spy on grade school boys with bionoculars abd a bottle of K-Y, doesn't mean you need to troll this forum and be a retarded faced, mentally ill, dateless, tiny penis, man tities, flubber gut, a drunk that pisses vodka in a phone booths prick. Did I leave anything out ??  :rasta:  :rasta:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 12, 2010, 08:31:02 PM
        fArt, just because you take your excrement and shape it with your hands, season it, and throw it on a grill..doesnt make that a steak. Still after all these years, eating your shit.
        Coward you say?  :roflmao:  :roflmao: fArt, I don't go around abusing women to make myself feel better. You would never in a million years talk back to a man for fear of getting your ass handed to you. You're busted fArt! You're little trolling days are coming to an end. Glad I was able to help these people you have been terrorizing out. I'll be around here quite a bit for now on, to keep your ass in check where it belongs. I kept quiet in the begining, but as soon as you started bringing your garbage into my threads, you made it my business. I'm gonna be all over you like flies on shit fella, just like I was years ago. You want to retunr to this forum and inject your sick dose of mental illness, someone needs to keep you in check. I ran your sorry ass off of here the last time and would be glad to do it again.
        Get ready to have your wittle feelings hurt on a daily basis, fat man with man-tits. So take out that dradle of yours out of your drawer, dust it off, lube it up real nice with some K-Y and get ready to shove it up your ass!  :rocker:

        Enjoy your steak dinner, shit eater.  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 12, 2010, 08:51:00 PM
        - Party bear - :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        You have ganged up on me. My Esteem is in very poor shape.  I fondle women.  I have problems performing in bed with males.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 12, 2010, 09:03:54 PM
        Ha dude
        You are going to do well here this time around. You have tons in common with Mark and Sharon. Hate and bile at its finest.
        Now all you have to do is just tweak your lying a bit,so you sound a little more psychotic,and you will fit in perfectly
        This has been fun and educational. But you still remain a coward. Another trait here that you share with the masses of asses
        Good night young man
        God bless you
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 12, 2010, 09:25:26 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Notice to parents: Please book your childs party two weeks in advance.
        - Pedo medic -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 12, 2010, 09:29:09 PM
        Humping the pooch tonight are we fArt? See, tiny penis's aren't totally useless fArt. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Paul St. John on June 12, 2010, 11:43:43 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Ha dude
        You are going to do well here this time around. You have tons in common with Mark and Sharon. Hate and bile at its finest.
        Now all you have to do is just tweak your lying a bit,so you sound a little more psychotic,and you will fit in perfectly
        This has been fun and educational. But you still remain a coward. Another trait here that you share with the masses of asses
        Good night young man
        God bless you


        Is this to me?  If so, I am not the Elan Reporter.  I don t know what the hell is going on between you and a bunch of others, but it seems personal, and it has nothing to do with me.

        Paul
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 12, 2010, 11:47:58 PM
        Quote from: "Paul St. John"
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Ha dude
        You are going to do well here this time around. You have tons in common with Mark and Sharon. Hate and bile at its finest.
        Now all you have to do is just tweak your lying a bit,so you sound a little more psychotic,and you will fit in perfectly
        This has been fun and educational. But you still remain a coward. Another trait here that you share with the masses of asses
        Good night young man
        God bless you


        Is this to me?  If so, I am not the Elan Reporter.  I don t know what the hell is going on between you and a bunch of others, but it seems personal, and it has nothing to do with me.

        Paul

        Why did you think it was addressed to you Paul?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 12, 2010, 11:51:32 PM
        It's time for an Arthur Warshitsky cleansing of this place. :soapbox:  
        We don't want dog fuckers that eat their own excrement trolling around here. ::unhappy::
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 13, 2010, 03:39:14 AM
        :karma:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 13, 2010, 04:01:56 AM
        - Poo -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 13, 2010, 04:42:12 AM
        - Affectionate women -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 13, 2010, 04:51:08 AM
        - Vagina gel -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 13, 2010, 04:53:42 AM
        - Bondage -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 13, 2010, 05:19:36 AM
        - Inner child -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on June 13, 2010, 09:59:43 AM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        See how fArt has been quiet now? And only posted 1 time since everyone ganged up on him? Thats because he is cowarding away, he is out numbered, feels defeat and must retreat. I guess after my 2-3 year absence, fArt decided to come back and do what he does best. Not to hog all the spot light, but there also were 4-5 other people who haven't been here in years that also used to hand fArt's ass to him daily as well. It also was then that he retreated as well and moved on, at least all of us thought he did. fArt for some reason seems to get lost or confused as to what his purpose here is. I assume something must trigger off inferiority feelings inside him and he simply acts of his jealously for some reason. Problem with fArt is, he doesn't know how to stick to his lies 100%, there is a huge flaw in them. He went around posting years ago that he owned a business and traveled around the country wheelin and dealing. At least he came clean with being a counter boy at a junk yard, probably making little over minium wage depending on his experience. A real life head case is what he is, and thats just the way he is folks. But at least we get a great laugh at his dumb ass, or shall I say we did.
        :rocker:  :rocker: Well Fart you still blame your sickness on me and Sharon. I am truly glad all of your old nemeses have returned to roast you here the site.You call everyone a liar but yet you dish out all the lie's.They catch you every time you open your big mouth.I dont have any IRS issues, but thanks for the inquiry, I hope you didnt try to gather info about me illegal, but that will come out in the wash and then you will go to jail for identity thief and and employment information fraud.I have only worked with one person in the last 5 years and your friend in fox lake would not have a clue of who that would be.So I hope your game worked. I have taken the liberties of copying your post to me , never boast a victory you haven't won. It is good to see the lengths you will go to in trying to harass people.It is obvious that you have no shame or guts. You are a cry baby and snitch and thats why no one likes you.You have never met me but you act like I am someone you have known for years.I also love to see everyone expose you openly on the web as the liar you are.And how about the fake names you use ??. How do you call others on that and you are the leader of phoniness,Your shit storm you tried to start only rained on you. I can see how everyone just loves you over all the years. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: You are a looser and fraud and no one glorify's you they laugh and loath you. Open your eyes stupid, the Reporter and others attacking you are people that have been here for years and know your phony ass.You need to go away Fart, you are not welcome around here. But you are use to hearing that allot, dont try and pretend to know me, you dont. And I dont seem to draw the negative attention that you do.As a matter of fact I seem to have drawn  unsolicited support from many others. You are just hated so much that no one can stand you. I dont have that problem. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  [:cheers:  Thank you Elan Reporter and the others for bring Fart out into the open} Treat him like the vial ass-hole he is, he would love to know who you guys are, but cant figure it out. He has so many enemies he is lost on who it could be.So he blames me and Sharon.Keep up the great work and posts and Photo's I can hear him crying now.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 13, 2010, 11:19:21 AM
        He "fArt" must be very over whelmed. I think this is officially a record of fArt haters at one time here. If there was no internet chat rooms, or forums, you know well that fArt would not be bothering anyone, he certainly would be too much of a coward to come face to face and try to pull this shit. fArt is a wannabe hacker, he likes to pretend he can look up vital info on the web on anyone and exploit it. I remember years back when someone found his date profile on plentyoffish.com and posted his picture. fArt thought someone hacked into his computer and retrived the picture. fArt ranted on how he was going to take legal action for hacking into his pc and that he had evidence. That really showed you how computer illiterate fArt was. Too bad fArt can't click his heels 3 times and repeat (there is no place like a state mental hospital).
        The way I see it is, fArt must not have not one single friend and doesn't know how to have one either so he goes to forums and creates contraversity and gets alot of people to dislike him, so that they will respond to him. I'm sure he will brag about it to his junk yard coworkers of how many friends he has online, quite the opposite from reality for him. All the activites that he post about doing, bbq with friends, going out on a row boat, is a huge cry out for attention.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 13, 2010, 12:55:05 PM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        He "fArt" must be very over whelmed. I think this is officially a record of fArt haters at one time here. If there was no internet chat rooms, or forums, you know well that fArt would not be bothering anyone, he certainly would be too much of a coward to come face to face and try to pull this shit. fArt is a wannabe hacker, he likes to pretend he can look up vital info on the web on anyone and exploit it. I remember years back when someone found his date profile on plentyoffish.com and posted his picture. fArt thought someone hacked into his computer and retrived the picture. fArt ranted on how he was going to take legal action for hacking into his pc and that he had evidence. That really showed you how computer illiterate fArt was. Too bad fArt can't click his heels 3 times and repeat (there is no place like a state mental hospital).
        The way I see it is, fArt must not have not one single friend and doesn't know how to have one either so he goes to forums and creates contraversity and gets alot of people to dislike him, so that they will respond to him. I'm sure he will brag about it to his junk yard coworkers of how many friends he has online, quite the opposite from reality for him. All the activites that he post about doing, bbq with friends, going out on a row boat, is a huge cry out for attention.

        Well Marky
        Harrassing people would be YOUR specialty. Thanks to Felice and a number of others who were extremely helpful,you were caught. Now you are mad..At me. You and your uneducated,ignorant pal sharon (whom you took full advantage of) created your own shitstorm,in which I merely responded to. You have been twisting and whining ever since.
        Seems you both are still having trouble telling the truth. But thats ok. Mchenry Count,your own local PD,my attorney,and the nice folks at your last Hatesite have provided plenty of incriminating info. Facebook was also involved in pointing the finger at both of you.
        As far as your IRS problems are concerned. If you got it comin to ya,then by all means. Kinda like you "never were on my street",tho your license plate # matched and you were in quite the hurry to leave when I came out with my dogs.
        Now you have the Vile Reporter here to "defend you"
        Which is kind of funny as the contents of his postings are attention seeking and silly. Written without any facts,as a means to "hurt me". Guess what.  Who cares ? His are merely fantasy. Where as yours are not only documented,but substantiated fact.
        The only people who come to this site, are you and your emotionally crippled pals. You can document anything you like Marky.. But the facts will always be the facts. You got caught. You are a coward. You are mad about both
        Cry all you like. I think its amusing. Especially 1st thing in the morning when I am having coffee.
        Now its time to play in the water.
        Try not to shit yourself Marky.. This is YOUR fuckup. Doesnt matter who you and sharon "sign in as".
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 13, 2010, 02:44:10 PM
        Why thank you kindly fArt for the compliment. I knew deep down inside you find the hi yuh yuh yuh entertaining.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 13, 2010, 05:59:12 PM
        - Big boy collection -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 14, 2010, 02:30:36 AM
        - Strap on dildo -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
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        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        He "fArt" must be very over whelmed. I think this is officially a record of fArt haters at one time here. If there was no internet chat rooms, or forums, you know well that fArt would not be bothering anyone, he certainly would be too much of a coward to come face to face and try to pull ...
        by liarsexposed
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        Ha dude You are going to do well here this time around. You have tons in common with Mark and Sharon. Hate and bile at its finest. Now all you have to do is just tweak your lying a bit,so you sound a little more psychotic,and you will fit in perfectly This has been fun and educational. But you still...
        by liarsexposed
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        Yes Yes girls You have ganged up on me. My Esteem is in very poor shape, I may not be able to get through my steak dinner tonight. I am glad nothing has changed Sharon. Still tellilng lies,still whining like the little cunt you are. Also glad to have rented that VERY cheap space in yours,and your &q...
        by liarsexposed
        12 Jun 2010, 23:47
         
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        Wow guys I guess I have been quite popular. I just gotta say, I had a couple huge laughs at your expense today. Thank you You can write what you want. Twist it into anything you like. But the facts still remain. In fact Marky there are only 2 things keeping you from driving up the street to confront...
        by liarsexposed
        12 Jun 2010, 03:13
         
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        "Psy" Troll.. Sharon.. Marky .. or whomever Sink my boat ? I should be so lucky.. Its insured. But I will take that as one of your usual threats and document it accordingly. I think you have mis-understood. I truly dont give a fuck what you think. I didnt start this, But I will finish it i...
        by liarsexposed
        09 Jun 2010, 16:29
         
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        Vacation ? Thats what you call it,its ok with me. A week or 2 in an asylum does a body good ? But your mind... Still whacked. Could you get your toungue further into Felice' ass ? Oh and for the perverts here.. maybe snap a picture. As soon as you are ready to shut the fuck up, I go away.. Its just ...
        by liarsexposed
        09 Jun 2010, 12:16
         
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        Re: The way of the Kruglik
        I want to know what your connection to Homosexual sex,and beastiality is Sharon
        I think its pretty clear you arent getting any
        Maybe you should solicit the homeless
        Be a public service for you to blow all the homeless in Freeport
        Give untill it hurts Sharon !
        by liarsexposed
        08 Jun 2010, 15:26
         
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        Re: TCK Lives on!
        Paul This will be the only response you are going to get from me. Sharon and Mark have more than earned the harsh words from me. Either you werent around when it started,or you were pretending to be someone else. (very common practice here) I have not been a participant here in a very long time and ...
        by liarsexposed
        04 Jun 2010, 22:10
         
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        I am afraid I am fresh out of time for your insanity today Sharon Took part of the day off to play in the water. Any time you decide you have the guts to speak face to face,and or back up what you have to say You know where I am at Anne... Thanks for letting me have a laugh at your expense as well T...
        by liarsexposed
        04 Jun 2010, 18:55
         
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        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        You are correct
        I was ignoring you
        Come talk shit to my face
        Bring a lunch troll
        by liarsexposed
        04 Jun 2010, 18:06
         
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        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Pretty sure the only cocksucker here is Marky Babbletits
        He is still in the closet about it
        But we know
        by liarsexposed
        04 Jun 2010, 18:00
         
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        Wow a new acct b by another troll
        Shocking
        If you have a question Sharon.. Why not just ask me ?
        I am not your enemy
        You do enough damage to yourself,all by yourself
        by liarsexposed
        04 Jun 2010, 17:50
         
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        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        6 minutes Anne?
        You are slipping
        If you only had something of value to contribute. Maybe I would be willing to participate.
        Pretty funny.. a troll defending a troll
        Go hug someone Anne. Gotta be better than reading the poison that spews from Marky and Sharon
        Vengence they say LOL
        by liarsexposed
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        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Awwwe DId you 2 get your feelers hurt ? Try telling the truth.. It shall set you free Instead of posting as yourselves you have been reduced to trolling. Wasnt it you Sharon, who wrote post after post about trolls being bad ? Dishonest ? Hurtful ? Now look at ya. Look at what you have been reduced t...
        by liarsexposed
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        Re: Some help for folks who can identify
        Sharon has learned a new computer skill. Last week she learned how to cut and paste. Next week who knows.. maybe she'll fly the Space Shuttle. . We missed you. Did they make you stay the whole 72 hours ? Did you get yourself some new pills ? I saw your sense of humor last night and was genuinely imp...
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        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Hmm wonder which liar Jeffrey is pretending to be I guess if its Marky (suckacock) Babbletits Or Sharon VIctim Its still the same lies,same deciet,nothing has changed except your sceen name. Interesting how you spew one thing,then act like the morons you are Danny may be an idiot But you 2 are liars...
        by liarsexposed
        03 Jun 2010, 20:50
         
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        Re: The Right to Privacy
        SharonMcCarthy wrote:
        :karma:

        OMG Sharon. I think we have had a freakin breakthrough
        I almost PISSED myself when I saw that
        God Bless ya I needed that
        good night
        by liarsexposed
        03 Jun 2010, 01:44
         
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        Re: The Right to Privacy
        I totally understand where your coming from. I also believe too many people purposely try to obtain information just to be nosey bastards. The only solution is actually to read a book instead of coming on the internet. However, our lives do now fully need some form of access. I have heard there are...
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        Re: Danny Bennison guilty by association of abuse at ELAN!
        Who are you talking to Sharon ?
        Who do you think the Drama Box was made for ?
        Go hug your kids and mind your own business you dizzy bitch
        You see.. when YOU start something you cannot finish
        Someone always will
        Fuckin crybaby/Attention seeker
        Are ya 12 ?
        by liarsexposed
        01 Jun 2010, 20:01
         
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        Re: Simply put please don't contact me again for the last ti
        Matt, I truly agree when someone requests there to be no contact I believe it is best others respect that. However, you and I both know some people just don't get it. They continue to harrass others in an amusing way. Just remember to consider the source. Now that IS funny Sharon Did you just come ...
        by liarsexposed
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        Re: Danny Bennison guilty by association of abuse at ELAN!
        Are you done "purging" yourself yet Danny ? You have been "Purging" yourself for 5 months,through hundreds of posts,in dozens of threads. They all say the same thing.. NOTHING I think what people are saying is they are sick of you,and yoru attention seeking antics. Its time to gr...
        by liarsexposed
        01 Jun 2010, 13:59
         
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        Re: Danny Bennison guilty by association of abuse at ELAN!
        So you are claiming to be a victim ? Is that what I am hearing Danny. Everyone is wrong but Danny. Seems I have heard that before. I dont know what your purpose here is. I have no interest in your FB page. You were bloccked months ago for your part in attacking me with your pals Sharon and Mark. You...
        by liarsexposed
        28 May 2010, 17:20
         
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        Re: Danny Bennison guilty by association of abuse at ELAN!
        Danny Unless you have plagerized that story about Michael's first day,its a bald face lie Dano That is my belief Michael,another Michael,and myself were bunkmates for over a year. I never heard these stories you are telling,and everyone used to tell their stories,as to how they were, when they arriv...
        by liarsexposed
        28 May 2010, 02:31
         
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        Re: How to finish.......inspiring.
        Danny Marky is just on the rag. You see its been a while since he posted (as himself) and (like you) was in dire need of some attention. Hopefully he will do Fox Lake/Round Lake a huge favor and just kill himself. He is but a menace,and a drain on society. He has been cheating our Federal Govt for q...
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        Hi Marky Saw you were putting others down. Wonder why an unemployed,broke dick,liar,cheater,and a thief would talk about others deciet. Lets talk about your problems Marky... Hows that whole IRS thing workin out ? Caught in a big lie huh? .. Hows the jobsearch going ? Or is it easier to get yoru Lin...h found 54 matches
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        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Sorry Sharon I dont know what the scratch and sniff thing means.. But as long as you are spinning,and seeking attention here's some for you How about another thread full of lies .. Been a few days since I called you out on them,and you threw a tantrum. Great Icons Too bad you lack command of the Eng...
        by liarsexposed
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        Poor Marky (liar,cheater,common thief,criminal) I would like to be sorry about you running off like this, but thats what cowards do. Is it really that hard to act like a person ? Is your life really that bad that you cannot admit a role in this ? Are you so small that when you are busted.. You canno...
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        Re: Don’t talk to aliens, warns Stephen Hawking
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        Re: Penis Pumps
        Gee Sharon Nobody but me giving you attention today. Do you feel better ? Ya know.. For a woman with all them kids.. you sure have alot of time to Whine on fornits. You poor thing.. I bet you have 1st hand knowledge about pumping the cock regularly. That is until the guy see's what a fucking Lunatic...
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        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: His Superior Arty has spoken...big fucken deal 4 years off 46 wow. Thanks for admitting your age for everyone.....I was 17, you were an adult nice one good going ARTY. I was a minor, you were an adult slime ball. :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :w...
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        Re: Don’t talk to aliens, someone warn Art and Danny
        ....
        by liarsexposed
        29 Apr 2010, 20:19
         
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        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        I only have a couple comments to add Sharon 1) am only 46... posting more mis-information what a shocker ! 2)wow the intellignece.. for the love of Mike.. Find the spellcheck key 3) Take danny's advice... Go hug your babies.... 4) WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...
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        29 Apr 2010, 20:04
         
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        Re: Homosexuals disgust me
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        by liarsexposed
        29 Apr 2010, 17:52
         
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        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Those who troll ? LOL Marky.. I mean Jeff Cooper.. I mean Gary..Umm Gerald.. I could go on but.. Who would be shitting who Babbletits? Again playing the fraud.. and winning... Prove you right ? About what Marky ? Being an unemployed loser, that sits home smoking dope playing "Puter" ? Atta...
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        29 Apr 2010, 12:23
         
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        Hey Marky
        Could you enlighten us as to who Gary Stadler is ?
        Thanks Marky
        You can go back to serviceing the homeless men in Fox Lake
        by liarsexposed
        26 Apr 2010, 21:41
         
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        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Awwe Sharon You cant pin that Liar thing on me darlin. I tell the truth. I dont have any fake sisters/family members. I dont create hate groups. I dont seek attention on an anonymous forum.When I am wrong,I promptly admit it. I could go on but really, you have become very boring... Beyond your atten...
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        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        agreed
        Could you or Marky come up with some new lies. Maybe something we havent heard yet.
        Whats boring is your behavior. How about that apology to the Admin here at Fornits for your little tantrum ?
        Here's some attention for you .. MMM KKKay ?
        by liarsexposed
        25 Apr 2010, 17:22
         
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        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        http://planetross.files.wordpress.com/2 ... hting1.jpg (http://planetross.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/fighting1.jpg) There there Anne. Someone will want to play with you. Its just not me. Only 10 minutes for a reply ? You are slipping girl.. Its almost,as if you had a life. That couldnt be true.. at least not a quality of life I would admire.. Maybe some...
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        22 Apr 2010, 18:56
         
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        LOL These two.... Sharon the Drama Queen Victim.. and Babbletits the Fraud ! Gotta be the biggest losers on the planet. Marky Our pal asked me about ya the other day. I guess after being busted in a lie (one of many) its too hard to show your face. Not to mention you are a coward Arent you on vacati...
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        22 Apr 2010, 15:29
         
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        Re: Who is the bigger loser: Anne Bonney or Dysfunction Junction
        SharonMcCarthy wrote:
        Wow.........seems to me only a big ass loser would even start a thread asking who was a big loser....        

        Or participate in a thread dedicated to losers
        Sharon.. You are in the right place
        by liarsexposed
        21 Apr 2010, 12:28
         
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        From:It Is Left Open Because Of Us
        Thats funny I have 34 emails from former elan residents who say differently. Some are from people in my day,some earlier,and a couple of recent grads (within a couple years). Even tho they do not participate here,they read it. Including,but not limited to, someone who was there with Sharon who point...
        by liarsexposed
        20 Apr 2010, 20:26
         
        Forum: <b>Open Free for All</b>
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        Re: It Is Left Open Because Of Us
        Anne I have no idea what you are talking about. I was not talking to you,or about you. I am sorry for you relationship troubles. This is an ongoing tantrum,that Sharon has been throwing since Dec 31st,with respect to me. I have read countless lies written both about me and others which I have called...
        by liarsexposed
        20 Apr 2010, 19:56
         
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        Re: It Is Left Open Because Of Us
        Try to stay focussed on the task at hand... Which is Elan. My job has no place in this discussion. Though what I do, I have been doing since I was a young man. I am very good at it. In fact others depend on me,so far,in 22 states to train,implement policy,and guide others in this business. I am paid...
        by liarsexposed
        20 Apr 2010, 17:58
         
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        Re: It Is Left Open Because Of Us
        Geez Sharon.. Pretty dramatic Here's my take In my day there were probably 300-400 "residents. They are now down to 30 something. I like to think that the letters,emails and bad press from websites (including this one) are largely responsible for this. They are going out of business. I cant thi...
        by liarsexposed
        19 Apr 2010, 20:48
         
        Forum: <b>Open Free for All</b>
        Topic: It Is Left Open Because Of Us
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        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Ahhhhh The other Liar ! :soapbox: How suprising that Sharon is here to seek attention right along with her pal Babbletits. :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: Two coward,Two Liars.. You two should get married,and have lots of kids Could you tell a few lies...
        by liarsexposed
        18 Apr 2010, 17:04
         
        Forum: <b>Open Free for All</b>
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        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        :rocker: But thats what keep ,the weak going,. On the world wide web they have that audience they crave and cant find in the regular world,so they seek strangers for support, I wonder how they go about dating ??. Maybe on the internet too, after all they can be who ever they want up to the date, an...
        by liarsexposed
        18 Apr 2010, 01:03
         
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        Re: From Staff list for Elan School
        :shamrock: :shamrock: My name is Daniel L. Bennison and I am on this staff list. I was a Ass. Director and a staff member, from 1/77 - 11/78. No need to doubt that. Danny Danny you really need to stop beating yourself up so much, yes you were staff but in my eyes you took so much these past months ...
        by liarsexposed
        15 Apr 2010, 22:25
         
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        Re: Mentally ill fornit people in Élan forum
        liarsexposed wrote: Promoting change starts from within Shut the fuck up would be doing your part and maybe.. MAYBE some others may participate ::fullofshit:: Who would want to participate when if you share a different opinion you are attacked multiple times,on multiple sites,by you,your children an...
        by liarsexposed
        15 Apr 2010, 21:06
         
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        Re: We Are Survivors and We Are Many
        People don't respond to your topics because you post the same thing on this website in every other forum. alright then since your such an little opinionated expert why dont you get off your lame ass and get this ball roliing then.....instead of trying to bait others with your bad karma sweetie. Per...
        by liarsexposed
        15 Apr 2010, 19:40
         
        Forum: <b>Open Free for All</b>
        Topic: Mentally ill fornit people in Élan forum
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        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 14, 2010, 08:54:01 AM
        Pretty Cool Trollboy
        Now post Sharon's rants and verbal vomit.
        That should take up 4-5 pages
        Be sure to include all her Screen names as its extremely imprtant she gets the attention she has earned !
        Try not to shit yourself today girls
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 14, 2010, 08:54:01 AM
        Pretty Cool Trollboy
        Now post Sharon's rants and verbal vomit.
        That should take up 4-5 pages
        Be sure to include all her Screen names as its extremely imprtant she gets the attention she has earned !
        Try not to shit yourself today girls
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 14, 2010, 09:39:11 AM
        :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: Elan Reporter and psy, hit it right on the head.Thank you guys. My day is so pleasant finally seeing a bad man get fully exposed. He exposed himself. His own ego says it all. Liar Exposed....he was referring to himself. Mark is such a nice man and it is appalling how he has been trashed out like this from that mentally deranged man. Mark would do anything for anyone in a heart beat and is not a cruel man like the Liar is. Liar needs to just move on and let others have peace.

        Liar is actually pretty hateful and is has shown over the course of years. I am so glad I have enough sense to not even be around that scum. He screams we are out of control however only I see is his daily rants continue. The guy simply enjoys chaos. He is purposely toying with everyone here. This man is so full of himself that is all that he sees. I doubt highly Felice is helping him, she is sick of it all. Every thing regarding this. The woman has much better things to do than waste her days on this crapola.

        I miss Nazi wish he was here....he seems to go away when Nazi puts him in his place.


        I do notice Danny is finally quiting his nonsense as well. About fucken time too.


        So when the invitations go out for the Elan alumi picnic I will make sure FARTY gets his as well. I'll bring the popcorn for the show. I doubt I will even speak to the man but I bet others are just dying to see his rants in public. He will humilate himself within 5 minutes. I can see it now, his face all red as he points finger.."its your fault..your fault you bad marky and sharon..all your fault..my life is all your fault...fucken cry baby." He is not even going to get respect because obviously his issues run deeper than anything me or Mark have ever said. His true colors came out in droves. What a flake and a fake. I pity the man fully. He may have a few dollars off his fathers name but he earned nothing for himself his whole life. He was breast fed his money. And did anyone tell this loser money dont make a man? How arrogant to assume others dont have any..lmao priceless. Now he is our bank experts and life specialists.

        His internet skills..lmao what ever. And for record I talked the police already about him, they think he is a cry baby insane nutbag. Of course he lied to try to screw others. By now someone would of done something dont ya think?? The only CUNT i see is him. Can UNderstand Normal Thinking = FARTY. Thing is his threats are baseless and hold no merit. You can call people names and expect not to be told off in return.

        I can picture it now..the prick in highschool would be in principles office stomping his feet and crying " they teased me..oh my god do something....they said something to me" I demand justice...LMAO what a big baby. He calls police and before they answer the phone they all say "what does this retard want now" He reminds me of the little old lady in the neighborhood peeking out her window with a phone in hand.....a fricken nightmare. He has no class and absolutely no respect for himself. It clearly shows daily.


        Did anyone tell dumb fuck there is yet another Elan forum? lmao he thinks he knows everything. He did not stop shit trust me. Did anyone notice Farty rimes with Marty..lmao Go figure. Two peas in a pod. He is just mad that Marty was a better man then he was. Not a good enough person to fit in anywhere is he. He even got rejected by Elan's finest...lmao He could not even manage to remain an Elan staff and from what I understand that is very easy to do..lmao


        Well its been fun but I got plans and have no interst in the Arty festivale today. lmao
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 14, 2010, 09:40:24 AM
        :cheers:  :cheers:


        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        He "fArt" must be very over whelmed. I think this is officially a record of fArt haters at one time here. If there was no internet chat rooms, or forums, you know well that fArt would not be bothering anyone, he certainly would be too much of a coward to come face to face and try to pull ...
        by liarsexposed
        Yesterday, 17:55
         

        Topic: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Ha dude You are going to do well here this time around. You have tons in common with Mark and Sharon. Hate and bile at its finest. Now all you have to do is just tweak your lying a bit,so you sound a little more psychotic,and you will fit in perfectly This has been fun and educational. But you still...
        by liarsexposed
        Yesterday, 02:03
         

        Topic: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Yes Yes girls You have ganged up on me. My Esteem is in very poor shape, I may not be able to get through my steak dinner tonight. I am glad nothing has changed Sharon. Still tellilng lies,still whining like the little cunt you are. Also glad to have rented that VERY cheap space in yours,and your &q...
        by liarsexposed
        12 Jun 2010, 23:47
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Wow guys I guess I have been quite popular. I just gotta say, I had a couple huge laughs at your expense today. Thank you You can write what you want. Twist it into anything you like. But the facts still remain. In fact Marky there are only 2 things keeping you from driving up the street to confront...
        by liarsexposed
        12 Jun 2010, 03:13
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        "Psy" Troll.. Sharon.. Marky .. or whomever Sink my boat ? I should be so lucky.. Its insured. But I will take that as one of your usual threats and document it accordingly. I think you have mis-understood. I truly dont give a fuck what you think. I didnt start this, But I will finish it i...
        by liarsexposed
        09 Jun 2010, 16:29
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Vacation ? Thats what you call it,its ok with me. A week or 2 in an asylum does a body good ? But your mind... Still whacked. Could you get your toungue further into Felice' ass ? Oh and for the perverts here.. maybe snap a picture. As soon as you are ready to shut the fuck up, I go away.. Its just ...
        by liarsexposed
        09 Jun 2010, 12:16
         

        Re: The way of the Kruglik
        I want to know what your connection to Homosexual sex,and beastiality is Sharon
        I think its pretty clear you arent getting any
        Maybe you should solicit the homeless
        Be a public service for you to blow all the homeless in Freeport
        Give untill it hurts Sharon !
        by liarsexposed
        08 Jun 2010, 15:26
         

        Re: TCK Lives on!
        Paul This will be the only response you are going to get from me. Sharon and Mark have more than earned the harsh words from me. Either you werent around when it started,or you were pretending to be someone else. (very common practice here) I have not been a participant here in a very long time and ...
        by liarsexposed
        04 Jun 2010, 22:10
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        I am afraid I am fresh out of time for your insanity today Sharon Took part of the day off to play in the water. Any time you decide you have the guts to speak face to face,and or back up what you have to say You know where I am at Anne... Thanks for letting me have a laugh at your expense as well T...
        by liarsexposed
        04 Jun 2010, 18:55
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        You are correct
        I was ignoring you
        Come talk shit to my face
        Bring a lunch troll
        by liarsexposed
        04 Jun 2010, 18:06
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Pretty sure the only cocksucker here is Marky Babbletits
        He is still in the closet about it
        But we know
        by liarsexposed
        04 Jun 2010, 18:00
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Wow a new acct b by another troll
        Shocking
        If you have a question Sharon.. Why not just ask me ?
        I am not your enemy
        You do enough damage to yourself,all by yourself
        by liarsexposed
        04 Jun 2010, 17:50
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        6 minutes Anne?
        You are slipping
        If you only had something of value to contribute. Maybe I would be willing to participate.
        Pretty funny.. a troll defending a troll
        Go hug someone Anne. Gotta be better than reading the poison that spews from Marky and Sharon
        Vengence they say LOL
        by liarsexposed
        04 Jun 2010, 17:46
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Awwwe DId you 2 get your feelers hurt ? Try telling the truth.. It shall set you free Instead of posting as yourselves you have been reduced to trolling. Wasnt it you Sharon, who wrote post after post about trolls being bad ? Dishonest ? Hurtful ? Now look at ya. Look at what you have been reduced t...
        by liarsexposed
        04 Jun 2010, 17:06
         

        Re: Some help for folks who can identify
        Sharon has learned a new computer skill. Last week she learned how to cut and paste. Next week who knows.. maybe she'll fly the Space Shuttle. . We missed you. Did they make you stay the whole 72 hours ? Did you get yourself some new pills ? I saw your sense of humor last night and was genuinely imp...
        by liarsexposed
        04 Jun 2010, 02:20
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Hmm wonder which liar Jeffrey is pretending to be I guess if its Marky (suckacock) Babbletits Or Sharon VIctim Its still the same lies,same deciet,nothing has changed except your sceen name. Interesting how you spew one thing,then act like the morons you are Danny may be an idiot But you 2 are liars...
        by liarsexposed
        03 Jun 2010, 20:50
         

        Re: The Right to Privacy
        SharonMcCarthy wrote:
        :karma:

        OMG Sharon. I think we have had a freakin breakthrough
        I almost PISSED myself when I saw that
        God Bless ya I needed that
        good night
        by liarsexposed
        03 Jun 2010, 01:44
         

        Re: The Right to Privacy
        I totally understand where your coming from. I also believe too many people purposely try to obtain information just to be nosey bastards. The only solution is actually to read a book instead of coming on the internet. However, our lives do now fully need some form of access. I have heard there are...
        by liarsexposed
        02 Jun 2010, 22:19
         

        Re: Danny Bennison guilty by association of abuse at ELAN!
        Who are you talking to Sharon ?
        Who do you think the Drama Box was made for ?
        Go hug your kids and mind your own business you dizzy bitch
        You see.. when YOU start something you cannot finish
        Someone always will
        Fuckin crybaby/Attention seeker
        Are ya 12 ?
        by liarsexposed
        01 Jun 2010, 20:01
         

        Re: Simply put please don't contact me again for the last ti
        Matt, I truly agree when someone requests there to be no contact I believe it is best others respect that. However, you and I both know some people just don't get it. They continue to harrass others in an amusing way. Just remember to consider the source. Now that IS funny Sharon Did you just come ...
        by liarsexposed
        01 Jun 2010, 17:37
         

        Re: Danny Bennison guilty by association of abuse at ELAN!
        Are you done "purging" yourself yet Danny ? You have been "Purging" yourself for 5 months,through hundreds of posts,in dozens of threads. They all say the same thing.. NOTHING I think what people are saying is they are sick of you,and yoru attention seeking antics. Its time to gr...
        by liarsexposed
        01 Jun 2010, 13:59
         

        Re: Danny Bennison guilty by association of abuse at ELAN!
        So you are claiming to be a victim ? Is that what I am hearing Danny. Everyone is wrong but Danny. Seems I have heard that before. I dont know what your purpose here is. I have no interest in your FB page. You were bloccked months ago for your part in attacking me with your pals Sharon and Mark. You...
        by liarsexposed
        28 May 2010, 17:20
         

        Re: Danny Bennison guilty by association of abuse at ELAN!
        Danny Unless you have plagerized that story about Michael's first day,its a bald face lie Dano That is my belief Michael,another Michael,and myself were bunkmates for over a year. I never heard these stories you are telling,and everyone used to tell their stories,as to how they were, when they arriv...
        by liarsexposed
        28 May 2010, 02:31
         

        Re: How to finish.......inspiring.
        Danny Marky is just on the rag. You see its been a while since he posted (as himself) and (like you) was in dire need of some attention. Hopefully he will do Fox Lake/Round Lake a huge favor and just kill himself. He is but a menace,and a drain on society. He has been cheating our Federal Govt for q...
        by liarsexposed
        25 May 2010, 02:59
         

        Re: How to finish.......inspiring.
        Hi Marky Saw you were putting others down. Wonder why an unemployed,broke dick,liar,cheater,and a thief would talk about others deciet. Lets talk about your problems Marky... Hows that whole IRS thing workin out ? Caught in a big lie huh? .. Hows the jobsearch going ? Or is it easier to get yoru Lin...h found 54 matches
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        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Sorry Sharon I dont know what the scratch and sniff thing means.. But as long as you are spinning,and seeking attention here's some for you How about another thread full of lies .. Been a few days since I called you out on them,and you threw a tantrum. Great Icons Too bad you lack command of the Eng...
        by liarsexposed
        01 May 2010, 23:08
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Poor Marky (liar,cheater,common thief,criminal) I would like to be sorry about you running off like this, but thats what cowards do. Is it really that hard to act like a person ? Is your life really that bad that you cannot admit a role in this ? Are you so small that when you are busted.. You canno...
        by liarsexposed
        01 May 2010, 12:56
         

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        ...
        by liarsexposed
        30 Apr 2010, 22:00
         

        Re: Penis Pumps
        Gee Sharon Nobody but me giving you attention today. Do you feel better ? Ya know.. For a woman with all them kids.. you sure have alot of time to Whine on fornits. You poor thing.. I bet you have 1st hand knowledge about pumping the cock regularly. That is until the guy see's what a fucking Lunatic...
        by liarsexposed
        30 Apr 2010, 00:19
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: His Superior Arty has spoken...big fucken deal 4 years off 46 wow. Thanks for admitting your age for everyone.....I was 17, you were an adult nice one good going ARTY. I was a minor, you were an adult slime ball. :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :w...
        by liarsexposed
        29 Apr 2010, 21:44
         

        Re: Don’t talk to aliens, someone warn Art and Danny
        ....
        by liarsexposed
        29 Apr 2010, 20:19
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        I only have a couple comments to add Sharon 1) am only 46... posting more mis-information what a shocker ! 2)wow the intellignece.. for the love of Mike.. Find the spellcheck key 3) Take danny's advice... Go hug your babies.... 4) WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...
        by liarsexposed
        29 Apr 2010, 20:04
         

        Re: Homosexuals disgust me
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        by liarsexposed
        29 Apr 2010, 17:52
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Those who troll ? LOL Marky.. I mean Jeff Cooper.. I mean Gary..Umm Gerald.. I could go on but.. Who would be shitting who Babbletits? Again playing the fraud.. and winning... Prove you right ? About what Marky ? Being an unemployed loser, that sits home smoking dope playing "Puter" ? Atta...
        by liarsexposed
        29 Apr 2010, 12:23
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Hey Marky
        Could you enlighten us as to who Gary Stadler is ?
        Thanks Marky
        You can go back to serviceing the homeless men in Fox Lake
        by liarsexposed
        26 Apr 2010, 21:41
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Awwe Sharon You cant pin that Liar thing on me darlin. I tell the truth. I dont have any fake sisters/family members. I dont create hate groups. I dont seek attention on an anonymous forum.When I am wrong,I promptly admit it. I could go on but really, you have become very boring... Beyond your atten...
        by liarsexposed
        26 Apr 2010, 12:08
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        agreed
        Could you or Marky come up with some new lies. Maybe something we havent heard yet.
        Whats boring is your behavior. How about that apology to the Admin here at Fornits for your little tantrum ?
        Here's some attention for you .. MMM KKKay ?
        by liarsexposed
        25 Apr 2010, 17:22
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        http://planetross.files.wordpress.com/2 ... hting1.jpg (http://planetross.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/fighting1.jpg) There there Anne. Someone will want to play with you. Its just not me. Only 10 minutes for a reply ? You are slipping girl.. Its almost,as if you had a life. That couldnt be true.. at least not a quality of life I would admire.. Maybe some...
        by liarsexposed
        22 Apr 2010, 18:56
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        LOL These two.... Sharon the Drama Queen Victim.. and Babbletits the Fraud ! Gotta be the biggest losers on the planet. Marky Our pal asked me about ya the other day. I guess after being busted in a lie (one of many) its too hard to show your face. Not to mention you are a coward Arent you on vacati...
        by liarsexposed
        22 Apr 2010, 15:29
         

        Re: Who is the bigger loser: Anne Bonney or Dysfunction Junction
        SharonMcCarthy wrote:
        Wow.........seems to me only a big ass loser would even start a thread asking who was a big loser....        

        Or participate in a thread dedicated to losers
        Sharon.. You are in the right place
        by liarsexposed
        21 Apr 2010, 12:28
         



        From:It Is Left Open Because Of Us
        Thats funny I have 34 emails from former elan residents who say differently. Some are from people in my day,some earlier,and a couple of recent grads (within a couple years). Even tho they do not participate here,they read it. Including,but not limited to, someone who was there with Sharon who point...
        by liarsexposed
        20 Apr 2010, 20:26
         

        Re: It Is Left Open Because Of Us
        Anne I have no idea what you are talking about. I was not talking to you,or about you. I am sorry for you relationship troubles. This is an ongoing tantrum,that Sharon has been throwing since Dec 31st,with respect to me. I have read countless lies written both about me and others which I have called...
        by liarsexposed
        20 Apr 2010, 19:56
         

        Re: It Is Left Open Because Of Us
        Try to stay focussed on the task at hand... Which is Elan. My job has no place in this discussion. Though what I do, I have been doing since I was a young man. I am very good at it. In fact others depend on me,so far,in 22 states to train,implement policy,and guide others in this business. I am paid...
        by liarsexposed
        20 Apr 2010, 17:58
         
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        Re: It Is Left Open Because Of Us
        Geez Sharon.. Pretty dramatic Here's my take In my day there were probably 300-400 "residents. They are now down to 30 something. I like to think that the letters,emails and bad press from websites (including this one) are largely responsible for this. They are going out of business. I cant thi...
        by liarsexposed
        19 Apr 2010, 20:48
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Ahhhhh The other Liar ! :soapbox: How suprising that Sharon is here to seek attention right along with her pal Babbletits. :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: Two coward,Two Liars.. You two should get married,and have lots of kids Could you tell a few lies...
        by liarsexposed
        18 Apr 2010, 17:04
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        :rocker: But thats what keep ,the weak going,. On the world wide web they have that audience they crave and cant find in the regular world,so they seek strangers for support, I wonder how they go about dating ??. Maybe on the internet too, after all they can be who ever they want up to the date, an...
        by liarsexposed
        18 Apr 2010, 01:03
         
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        Re: From Staff list for Elan School
        :shamrock: :shamrock: My name is Daniel L. Bennison and I am on this staff list. I was a Ass. Director and a staff member, from 1/77 - 11/78. No need to doubt that. Danny Danny you really need to stop beating yourself up so much, yes you were staff but in my eyes you took so much these past months ...
        by liarsexposed
        15 Apr 2010, 22:25
         

        Re: Mentally ill fornit people in Élan forum
        liarsexposed wrote: Promoting change starts from within Shut the fuck up would be doing your part and maybe.. MAYBE some others may participate ::fullofshit:: Who would want to participate when if you share a different opinion you are attacked multiple times,on multiple sites,by you,your children an...
        by liarsexposed
        15 Apr 2010, 21:06
         

        Re: We Are Survivors and We Are Many
        People don't respond to your topics because you post the same thing on this website in every other forum. alright then since your such an little opinionated expert why dont you get off your lame ass and get this ball roliing then.....instead of trying to bait others with your bad karma sweetie. Per...
        by liarsexposed
        15 Apr 2010, 19:40
         
         :beat:  :beat:  Man it's so funny how he runs around talking his shit and calling people out, but follows up everything by[ I will call the police] it will tell Dream Host, I will tell I will tell, :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  
        From:
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        here is a forwarded message from dreamhost including his complaint.

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        From: DreamHost Customer Support Team
        Date: January 28, 2010 6:57:48 PM EST


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        I will tell, :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa: ,  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  gosh this doenst look like such a bad ass, Arent you the one calling everyone out and threatening folks here. And when they come around you yell help, Fart your a liar and a snitch, and your own words say that pretty clear. We are sure Mike and Ginger more than feel the same. after all you dont see them out here defending you, as a matter of fact they are just recording you for your next outburst, they are watching you torment and just bother others, seeing how you insight fights and problems from many of the good people here. They are watching you hang yourself and good. Yea your going to get everyone who defies you big bad fart.Choke on your coffee today man of empty threats, and think of what problems legally you have coming at you.Us here at Fornits cant wait for your next complaint, so we can expose you to the rest of the world. Keep in mind you are the one who started bashing and talking crazy once the site was left back up and you have done a fine job stepping all over yourself. Do you really think Ginger and Mike let you stay for any other reason than to pay you back for all the years of your bull-shit, We all new you would come back tooting your horn like you won something at the fair.And this round you have been recorded by everyone and we invite your complaints. You are the only one who has made any threats and out and out stalked people here. We have told some people here not to respond to you, just to let you hang yourself stalking and tormenting them and its worked perfectly. We have you making threats and preaching vile. this time around the records were kept on you. Fool us once shame on , ya know the rest, This time its shame for you,[[ :beat:  :beat:  No one here will threaten you or come to your junk yard or girlfriends house as you like to invite people to do, :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: You have already said you will and have called the police and complained :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: You say this Babbitts guy came to your house and you chased him away with your dog, Great story but doesnt sound right, first of all how do you know it was him,?? did he get out and say something to you,?? He posted he has never met you before, so how do you know him Fart,?? If someone came to my house looking for me I wouldn't be antagonizing them, unless your just stupid or lying again. I think your lying and stupid, if this guy was going to look you up he would have but no ones going to come near anyone if the cops have been threatened. so why tell such fantastic stories,???. Some of your present history is above read it over and pick out your lie's. :karma:  :karma:  PS the Dream Host complaint is public record and property of Fonits and the users. :beat:  :beat:  You put yourself in print no one else, so enjoy the stage or just go away. But you and your hate is not welcome or wanted here as Elan Reporter and many others have told you for years.You are the one who couldn't leave the lid on your box. So now reap the benefits of your vile ways. :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:                                                     :feedtrolls: " Latest Record "  :feedtrolls:
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        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Doesnt have to be like this Sharon. Stop playing games and I go away.
        Isnt that what you want. No more contact ?
        Make it happen

        You cant do it,can you ?
        Shut up and leave it alone. If you dont act like a retard, you cant get any attention I guess
        How sad for you
        Tell the truth sharon
        by liarsexposed
        Yesterday, 12:00
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Must bring you great comfort, to make this pissing match about being an ex-staffer,or a woman hater,or anything else you want to use to cover the truth,and your responsibility in this 6 month assault. You are the victim. I came out of nowhere and started attacking you. Tell the truth Sharon. Be a WO...
        by liarsexposed
        Yesterday, 00:03
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        and without fornits where would you daily be able to bully and try to belittle people. Shit you should be paying fornits for allowing you to run free without a leash. Please you are a complete mess little man. You are a waste of life complete waste. Bet mommy and daddy are so proud of what their ba...
        by liarsexposed
        15 Jun 2010, 21:08
         
        F
        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Bring it on Sharon
        Put up or shut the fuck up you dizzy bitch
        Been threatening me since Dec 31st.. You are a coward
        where would you be without Fornits ?
        Where would you run your mouth ?
        Cunt
        by liarsexposed
        15 Jun 2010, 20:22
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Mark is a coward like yourself
        'Talk tough on a web forum.. Put up or shut up
        I think he/you should call the police.. Yep thats what you should do
        or you could do the world a favor and kill yourself
        by liarsexposed
        15 Jun 2010, 19:46
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Poor Marky Still spreading hate and bile. AS an anonymous troll. Who are you afraid of ? Why hide unless you are lying ? I dont need to lie. The truth about you and your partner is scary enough Felice thinks I wont be her friend because she is your friend. In fact I told her I would have to delete h...
        by liarsexposed
        15 Jun 2010, 15:39
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        fArt, when you run on wonder lakes beach, can you make your man tits bounce up and down like Bay Watch's Pamela Anderson? :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: Reporter I dont run anywhere,but to the bathroom. But no matter how fat I get, My tits will never bounce like Pamela's :roflmao: :roflmao...
        by liarsexposed
        15 Jun 2010, 13:44
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        YAWWWWWWWN this is about as much about an Ex-staffperson As sharon is still a virgin But thanks for the laughs.. That was good ! YesYes the big bad art planned for you to assauklt him,steal from him,harass him and when the big bad art fought back you suddenly became a victim Am gonna go now Am so sa...
        by liarsexposed
        15 Jun 2010, 00:05
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Perfect example of dishonest cowards crying
        by liarsexposed
        14 Jun 2010, 16:40
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Sorry I made you cry today Marky Actually you DID post that you met me in Me.. But I kinda caught you in that lie too So what you are saying is.. You 2 morons have no part in this little tantrum of yours every day Art just came back to fornits by himself and attacked you 2 without provocation ? LOOO...
        by liarsexposed
        14 Jun 2010, 14:55
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Pretty Cool Trollboy
        Now post Sharon's rants and verbal vomit.
        That should take up 4-5 pages
        Be sure to include all her Screen names as its extremely imprtant she gets the attention she has earned !
        Try not to shit yourself today girls
        by liarsexposed
        14 Jun 2010, 13:54
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Pretty Cool Trollboy
        Now post Sharon's rants and verbal vomit.
        That should take up 4-5 pages
        Be sure to include all her Screen names as its extremely imprtant she gets the attention she has earned !
        Try not to shit yourself today girls
        by liarsexposed
        14 Jun 2010, 13:54
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        He "fArt" must be very over whelmed. I think this is officially a record of fArt haters at one time here. If there was no internet chat rooms, or forums, you know well that fArt would not be bothering anyone, he certainly would be too much of a coward to come face to face and try to pull ...
        by liarsexposed
        13 Jun 2010, 17:55
         

        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Ha dude You are going to do well here this time around. You have tons in common with Mark and Sharon. Hate and bile at its finest. Now all you have to do is just tweak your lying a bit,so you sound a little more psychotic,and you will fit in perfectly This has been fun and educational. But you still...
        by liarsexposed
        13 Jun 2010, 02:03
         


        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Yes Yes girls You have ganged up on me. My Esteem is in very poor shape, I may not be able to get through my steak dinner tonight. I am glad nothing has changed Sharon. Still tellilng lies,still whining like the little cunt you are. Also glad to have rented that VERY cheap space in yours,and your &q...
        by liarsexposed
        12 Jun 2010, 23:47
         

         :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 14, 2010, 09:55:11 AM
        Sorry I made you cry today Marky
        Actually you DID post that you met me in Me.. But I kinda caught you in that lie too
        So what you are saying is.. You 2 morons have no part in this little tantrum of yours every day
        Art just came back to fornits by himself and attacked you 2 without provocation ?
        LOOOOOOOOL
        I have work to do
        You really arent worth responding to. Everythingthing you type is just another lie
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 14, 2010, 10:11:09 AM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Sorry I made you cry today Marky
        Actually you DID post that you met me in Me.. But I kinda caught you in that lie too
        So what you are saying is.. You 2 morons have no part in this little tantrum of yours every day
        Art just came back to fornits by himself and attacked you 2 without provocation ?
        LOOOOOOOOL
        I have work to do
        You really arent worth responding to. Everythingthing you type is just another lie
        :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: Those are your lie' above stupid. :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: Go away your a nasty person :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 14, 2010, 10:43:19 AM
        fArt do you still have that manura that has 8 dildos on it that you sit on one every night during hanukkah? Wasn't that the pan faced hi yuh yuh yuh jewish indian made that contraption for you?
        Title: FART ALERT
        Post by: photo man on June 14, 2010, 10:47:54 AM
        - FART ALERT -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 14, 2010, 10:50:35 AM
        - Fart bomb -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 14, 2010, 10:54:26 AM
        - Fart power -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 14, 2010, 11:03:01 AM
        :cheers:  :cheers:  Hey  Elan Reporter do you think that  Photo Man might have any pics of Farty telling he truth??, I think he is spot on so far, but they are mostly of Farty being mad or lost having some tantrums. All though him dock-side with his chair boat not air, chair boat, he looked very happy,,[ in a inbred way.]  I wish we could see that happier side of Farty.more often. Are these photos taken abroad or local, I think I recognize one of those gun-shacks by the water . Is that Farty lake front villa ??.  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  he is living large. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 14, 2010, 11:12:39 AM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        fArt do you still have that manura that has 8 dildos on it that you sit on one every night during hanukkah? Wasn't that the pan faced hi yuh yuh yuh jewish indian made that contraption for you?
        :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 14, 2010, 11:20:41 AM
        - Man with fat ass -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 14, 2010, 11:22:55 AM
        Quote from: "photo man"
        - Man with fat ass -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  Now thats the  happy face of Farty we all look for, thank's  Photo Man. :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Froderik on June 14, 2010, 11:32:59 AM
        I'd say this thread is a good example of why NOT to send your kid to Elan...
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 14, 2010, 11:40:30 AM
        Perfect example of dishonest cowards crying
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Eliscu2 on June 14, 2010, 12:19:39 PM
        Quote from: "Froderik"
        I'd say this thread is a good example of why NOT to send your kid to Elan...

        WORD!!
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 14, 2010, 12:43:06 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Perfect example of dishonest cowards crying
        roflmao roflmao roflmao priceless statement roflmao roflmao roflmao . WHO gives a fuck?? really even if me and mark and tim even supposely lied once do you honestly think anyone cares?? no one fucken cares about your little teenie weenie problems. roflmao roflmao roflmao no one give a FUCK now STFU. BTW tim says hi..lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao Get a life baby. NO ONE CARES. Get it threw your head no one cares if the big bad FARTy got his feelings hurt. No one cares, now go sell some auto parts, get richer, meet a friend, get a life dude for real, get another boat, eat another steak(which you dont need, try fish..less fat intake) . No one cares about ANYTHING, they just want you and everyone to STFU about all this bullshit.

        No one cares it is not a big conspiracy no one gives a flying fuck if you are upset or had lies on you said. PPl lie on here daily, it is suppose to be all in fun but you can't handle a thing without twisting you brain all up. You discombobulate yourself.


        Shit if it will shut you up, I will lie and say I was lying ...now what was I supposely lying about again cuz you claim lies and never say shit what your dispute is. Who cares about your photo aint like you were naked or anything. Who cares about your address you seem like your still breathing to me anyways. No one even knew what to do with the ip address anyways. You allow ppl to bait the shit out of you because you got no self control. WHO cares. Now go wipe your face off with some cold water and pull it the fuck together already.

        God I am ready to come there and take you to the fucken spa for a back massage you need to lighten the hell up and have some fun. I'll buy you a few margarettas and let you vent for a bit but oh my God stop the insanity. NO ONE CARES. You clearly got to see you pushed yourself over the edge by now. Your life is consumed with me, Mark and Tim. They are not thinking about you now stop making yourself look more like the ass you truly are being.


        Just get over it seriously you look so openly foolish. This is going to go on forever unless you just say Fuck It. My God snap out of it. Grab a good book, go boating and feel the sunshine and fuck everyone on fornits and otherwise. You are just allow everyone to suck you into this direction of constant drama and chaos. Your spinning your wheels. So what we dont like you, get the fuck over it. I can careless who like me. Shake it off for real.

        You remind me of Jan Brady, instead of MARCIA MARCIA MARCIA...its MARKY MARKY MARKY..what the fuck. your past puberty least I hope by now. No one cares what we do trust me.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 14, 2010, 12:50:01 PM
        Quote from: "Eliscu2"
        Quote from: "Froderik"
        I'd say this thread is a good example of why NOT to send your kid to Elan...

        WORD!!
        Just for the record, I have never met Mark B. in person.
        I do know he was willing to do anything with a little problem I had with my little bro.
        "Asswipe" was very helpful too and so was Sharon.
        Nobody is all good or bad, it just depends on what you look for.
        We all have the free will to be kind or not.
        Now that we know we can be totally "unhinged", lets try something new.
        Love,
        Corner asshole :suicide:
        You dont got to explain shit to anyone..you have a right to talk to Tim, Mark, and me fuck the madness. For Real dont let anyone bait you into this ridiculous madness anymore. Its so stupid, it gives new meaning to stupid. It is beyond Drama. So, email Tim as usual....btw i see them all..lmao...it all good dont trip. And lets all plan on getting together in a week or two for a huge summer thingy...Ill call with details this week. Enjoy life, love life fuck this all. I should of listen to you long ago when you told me that. I wish I did too. You got important work to do and fuck the dumb shit anymore..Lord knows I am also trying to stop the madness. We all got good and bad in us, I agree with you there....but you know what down deep we all are good people in the end. We love our families we love our friends, so what does this all matter.

        Miss ya, and love ya too sweetie just let it roll...please dont let this man hurt you anymore today. My brats say hi...they want more South Park..lmao ok see ya soon. keep that head up.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Eliscu2 on June 14, 2010, 01:16:58 PM
        Ha Ha I love Southpark the movie.
        Especially the part where "Satan" gets all sensitive because "Sadam" has made "Satan" his own personal "Bitch".
        That whole "crusading" against Terrance and Philip is hysterical too.
        Haha beware the Jewish Mom activist.
        Blame Canada........ :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 14, 2010, 04:58:15 PM
        Quote from: "Froderik"
        I'd say this thread is a good example of why NOT to send your kid to Elan...
        :cheers:  I cant think of [ any ] good reason to send your kid to Elan or Day-Top or places like Straights Inc. This an example of what happens when Ex- Staffers  start getting stupid and controlling  with the now adult residents that can fight back and speak, this what happens when you start up with 40 year olds and not 16 year olds. This is what happens when someone wants to start the degrading game and ridicule game. This a game most smart people dont want to be the center of. Farty just put his Ex Staffer ass in it. He just  doesnt know when to bow out. Many have tried to show him the door but he dont get it. Thank God there are other threads for you to use "Froderik" and this isnt the only one to stop and look at.It would be a shame if all of this stopped you from finding good conversation, but it does make you laugh and come back and see whats up :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  and thats all good, everyone needs to vent and do it constructively or  to the best of their abilities key word [abilities] and have fun. I think it's the high lights that are blinding you,"Froderik" , there are some good discussion here and  good friend communicating in the appropriate areas of the fourum, but that gets a little drownd out in the middle of the  [General Meetings] :beat:  :beat:  we randomly hold here. So please dont be offended , their are allot of good people here and some bad,but it's all good and mostly fun. [.As you know comments on this thread are open and never taken offensively so please come back for a laugh or comment } :rocker:  :rocker:  :cheers:  :cheers: :                                                                                          :unhappy::  ::poke:: PS We have brought back the [ Ring ] for special events. ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 14, 2010, 07:05:48 PM
        YAWWWWWWWN
        this is about as much about an Ex-staffperson
        As sharon is still a virgin
        But thanks for the laughs.. That was good !
        YesYes
        the big bad art planned for you to assauklt him,steal from him,harass him
        and when the big bad art fought back
        you suddenly became a victim
        Am gonna go now
        Am so sad,am gonna cry for you
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 14, 2010, 10:32:03 PM
        fArt, when you run on wonder lakes beach, can you make your man tits bounce up and down like Bay Watch's Pamela Anderson?  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 15, 2010, 08:44:49 AM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        fArt, when you run on wonder lakes beach, can you make your man tits bounce up and down like Bay Watch's Pamela Anderson?  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Reporter
        I dont run anywhere,but to the bathroom.
        But no matter how fat I get, My tits will never bounce like Pamela's
         :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 15, 2010, 09:26:55 AM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        YAWWWWWWWN
        this is about as much about an Ex-staffperson
        As sharon is still a virgin
        But thanks for the laughs.. That was good !
        YesYes
        the big bad art planned for you to assauklt him,steal from him,harass him
        and when the big bad art fought back
        you suddenly became a victim
        Am gonna go now
        Am so sad,am gonna cry for you
        :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  It sure is neat how Farty manages to turn the truth to suit his needs. He even uses his own language, [ assaukit him ]. what exactly is assaukit him mean. Is that like rubbing lotion on his [man- tits] ????. He claims to be harassed,, but yet he has years of bile and bull-shit  built up on RECORD, Why is it Farty is the clean virgin sole that just seems to be picked on ??? I cant imagine all of his long time friends seeing him berated and scorned and ridiculed openly,,  for is honesty and innocence in life. It makes his accusers want to hide in shame, how could anyone speak out badly about the Big Bad Farty. I heard he received a { Humanitarian  Award}  some time back, lol  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  I hope no ones thrown up from laughing yet. Yes Farty is right ,,this not just about being an  Ex- Staff, its also  about being a present ass-hole and abuser. Thanks for the clarification Farty. the only thing that was stolen from Farty was the little bit of pride he has gotten back after the last beating he took for running his vial mouth to others.  As  Elan Reporter and others have been more than nice enough to step up and point that out. I see that Farty is also afraid of the Reporter, he doesnt fire back or too cocky  at the Reporter. I can see the Elan Reporter has obviously gave Farty plenty to think about years back,, when they chased him away. I believe the Reporter said "Handed him his Ass", and that was obviously a big nasty job." Mike Rowe " from Dirty Jobs wouldn't take that on. The Elan Reporter deserves the [ Humanitarian Award ] for cleaning up the world wide web of trash like Farty. I cant wait to see him claim Elan Reporter as a long time friend too., but he tried that with Felice and it back fired. I can wait to see the Reporter and their staff come out with all the truth about Farty and watch him squirm then. I think the Reporters Staff is holding back and not spoiling it for everyone all at once. And we all thank you Elan Reporter for not giving up the end of the book yet and making all stay tuned. The suspense is as much for us as it is for Farty,, we cant wait !! and he cant think up excuses fast enough to cover the words spoken. Yaba  Daba  Daba, I am the great Farty and everyone is lying and full of shit. I speak the only truth. I dont know if he is crying in his pillow or bitting it. ??  I would guess bitting it :waaaa:  :waaaa:  it hurts take it out , I will tell. How is such a tuff guy such a snitch,??. This about Farty the Ex -Staffer being an Ex-Staffer and over-all abuser and ass-hole. But he would say different. :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 15, 2010, 10:06:18 AM
        - Fuck yeah baby -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 15, 2010, 10:10:37 AM
        Quote from: "psy,"
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        YAWWWWWWWN
        this is about as much about an Ex-staffperson
        As sharon is still a virgin
        But thanks for the laughs.. That was good !
        YesYes
        the big bad art planned for you to assauklt him,steal from him,harass him
        and when the big bad art fought back
        you suddenly became a victim
        Am gonna go now
        Am so sad,am gonna cry for you
                                                                                                                                           :jawdrop:  Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        by liarsexposed » Today, 13:44

        The Elan Reporter wrote:
        fArt, when you run on wonder lakes beach, can you make your man tits bounce up and down like Bay Watch's Pamela Anderson?        

        liarseposed said
        I dont run anywhere,but to the bathroom.
        But no matter how fat I get, My tits will never bounce like Pamela's
                     
         :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:
        Is that Farty poking fun at himself,??  Please stop Farty  we like to ridicule and punish you for lying and being nasty and dishonest. Dont berate yourself Farty we will do that for you. You are one sick disturbed Thing ,and I dont think the Reporter likes you at all, so quit sucking up , you know,, you hate the Reporter for the atrocities  the Reporter has caused you and created. but you  just can't  get in front of the Reporter. The Reporter has beaten the Great Farty down, and he knows it. I would guess your afraid of what the Reporter will pull out their bag of tricks for you next, and your tired of being surprised like that.It scares you dont it ???. You want to tell but no one will listen, and when they do ,you get exposed and  they dont believe you  again. Its a " Catch  22"  when your a liar and Phony Farty and the door never stops spinning. You have lived up to your fake name Liarsexposed, and have done a excellent job exposing yourself. Including your Man -Tits. :cry:  :cry:  :cry:

         :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  It sure is neat how Farty manages to turn the truth to suit his needs. He even uses his own language, [ assaukit him ]. what exactly is assaukit him mean. Is that like rubbing lotion on his [man- tits] ????. He claims to be harassed,, but yet he has years of bile and bull-shit  built up on RECORD, Why is it Farty is the clean virgin sole that just seems to be picked on ??? I cant imagine all of his long time friends seeing him berated and scorned and ridiculed openly,,  for is honesty and innocence in life. It makes his accusers want to hide in shame, how could anyone speak out badly about the Big Bad Farty. I heard he received a { Humanitarian  Award}  some time back, lol  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  I hope no ones thrown up from laughing yet. Yes Farty is right ,,this not just about being an  Ex- Staff, its also  about being a present ass-hole and abuser. Thanks for the clarification Farty. the only thing that was stolen from Farty was the little bit of pride he has gotten back after the last beating he took for running his vial mouth to others.  As  Elan Reporter and others have been more than nice enough to step up and point that out. I see that Farty is also afraid of the Reporter, he doesnt fire back or too cocky  at the Reporter. I can see the Elan Reporter has obviously gave Farty plenty to think about years back,, when they chased him away. I believe the Reporter said "Handed him his Ass", and that was obviously a big nasty job." Mike Rowe " from Dirty Jobs wouldn't take that on. The Elan Reporter deserves the [ Humanitarian Award ] for cleaning up the world wide web of trash like Farty. I cant wait to see him claim Elan Reporter as a long time friend too., but he tried that with Felice and it back fired. I can wait to see the Reporter and their staff come out with all the truth about Farty and watch him squirm then. I think the Reporters Staff is holding back and not spoiling it for everyone all at once. And we all thank you Elan Reporter for not giving up the end of the book yet and making all stay tuned. The suspense is as much for us as it is for Farty,, we cant wait !! and he cant think up excuses fast enough to cover the words spoken. Yaba  Daba  Daba, I am the great Farty and everyone is lying and full of shit. I speak the only truth. I dont know if he is crying in his pillow or bitting it. ??  I would guess bitting it :waaaa:  :waaaa:  it hurts take it out , I will tell. How is such a tuff guy such a snitch,??. This about Farty the Ex -Staffer being an Ex-Staffer and over-all abuser and ass-hole. But he would say different. :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 15, 2010, 10:20:27 AM
        - Penis pump -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 15, 2010, 10:21:42 AM
        Part if not most of the reason why fArt is the person he is, is because of the hi yuh yuh jewish indian TCK. fArt was a staff there at one time and was trained to be a prick. Though fArt does not condone what goes on at elan presently and thats a good thing! What fArt needs is a cleansing to rid himself from the bad influence that TCK was to him. It's not an easy road for him to travel, but he has broke the ties with TCK a long long time ago and turned against them all. The hi yuh yuh jewish indian is very powerful when it comes to him brain washing people to be abusive. Once programmed by TCK it is not as simple as clicking your heels together 3 times and say (I resent and denounce the hi yuh yuh jewish indian) No sir! It's takes much more effort then that to denounce and clease yourself from the grip of the hi yuh yuh yuh jewish indian.

        Getting back to wonder lakes beach...fart would you consider yourself to be the sexiest man to grace this beach? Do the women that sun bath get all wet when you walk by in your speedo? Do you find yourself having to fend off the women with your row boat ore, because they all want to be on your row boat with you? Do you sing the song "Boats and Hoes" (Movie -Stepbrothers) while on your row boat with chicks?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 15, 2010, 10:27:33 AM
        - Hairy man -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 15, 2010, 10:38:16 AM
        Quote from: "photo man"
        - Fuck yeah baby -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        :cheers:  :cheers:   Photo Man  did the  Elan Reporter send you out to Wonder Lake Beach to take pics of farty at fun ???. I think you seem to always capture his best sides. Your photo media in exceptional, you will  get that [ Pulitzer Prize ] for Photo  Journalism. I commend  you ,it cant be easy filming such filth and bile all day, he is a hideous man, and so large in girth and mouth. You also  do an excellent  job on air-brushing all the worts out of the photos. Its has been said he is covered from his neck down to his feet, but I dont know, it's also said his girl friend has an  ::OMG::  :jawdrop: eye-ball tattooed on her hand :jawdrop:  ::OMG::  but then that wouldn't shock anyone.  At least she owns a house. Unfortunately she has Farty attached to it and he  wont leave. ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  It is said he treats her like quit the bag of shit too. Hopefully she will some how get rescued from the rains of Farty. Just imagine, well maybe not, this a recovery site,  just  think,, [ If you can be sick enough ] , someone else not you   living with Farty   :seg:  [AKA] " The Fat Bastard",  :seg:  yelling at you, "  get into my belly" !!!!!! :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 15, 2010, 10:39:50 AM
        Poor Marky
        Still spreading hate and bile. AS an anonymous troll. Who are you afraid of ? Why hide unless you are lying ?
        I dont need to lie. The truth about you and your partner is scary enough
        Felice thinks I wont be her friend because she is your friend. In fact I told her I would have to delete her off my fb page due to you and your pal having access to my info and pictures.. yep we been there before huh little guy
        Now she is mad at me.. So be it.
        If you really want to make an impression...TELL THE TRUTH
        As far as women on the beach in Wonder Tucky... Kinda gross .. no thanks
        My boat is a bit bigger than a rowboat
        I think this is all the time I have for you today
        The Truth Shall Set you Free
         
        ps
        If this is Marky.. grow a pair,drive up the road,and lets end this like men
        If its not.. Try getting a job loser
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 15, 2010, 11:01:20 AM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        Part if not most of the reason why fArt is the person he is, is because of the hi yuh yuh jewish indian TCK. fArt was a staff there at one time and was trained to be a prick. Though fArt does not condone what goes on at elan presently and thats a good thing! What fArt needs is a cleansing to rid himself from the bad influence that TCK was to him. It's not an easy road for him to travel, but he has broke the ties with TCK a long long time ago and turned against them all. The hi yuh yuh jewish indian is very powerful when it comes to him brain washing people to be abusive. Once programmed by TCK it is not as simple as clicking your heels together 3 times and say (I resent and denounce the hi yuh yuh jewish indian) No sir! It's takes much more effort then that to denounce and clease yourself from the grip of the hi yuh yuh yuh jewish indian.

        Getting back to wonder lakes beach...fart would you consider yourself to be the sexiest man to grace this beach? Do the women that sun bath get all wet when you walk by in your speedo? Do you find yourself having to fend off the women with your row boat ore, because they all want to be on your row boat with you? Do you sing the song "Boats and Hoes" (Movie -Stepbrothers) while on your row boat with chicks?
        :cheers:  :cheers:  I agree being mentored by [ Pan Face ] could be a long lasting disease, but also them almost being homies is the not easy . Pan Face went to Evanston Township High School,( 5 )  towns over from were Farty  grew up in Highland Park. were I might add Mr Zaretsky was spawned.  Almost right after Pan Face graduated from Evanston he went right to Elan. and it's all bad history from there. That being said it's almost like Farty was reared to be a sick fuck, if for no other reason he was kind of from the hood.up on the North Shore. Its funny how some of us ran back too the comforts of the North Shore, and some stayed to comfort  Joe's cult crusade. I was glad to get back and fix my life from Elan, But they stayed,??  I have said, some staff were ok but most  weren't. and the ones that were, never really lasted long.                                  Great posting  :rocker:  :rocker:   Elan Reporter and Photo Man . :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :peace:  :peace:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: photo man on June 15, 2010, 01:55:14 PM
        - Car toilet -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 15, 2010, 01:57:50 PM
        Wonder beach babes gross? Gross like Anne Flynn?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 15, 2010, 02:39:06 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Poor Marky
        Still spreading hate and bile. AS an anonymous troll. Who are you afraid of ? Why hide unless you are lying ?
        I dont need to lie. The truth about you and your partner is scary enough
        Felice thinks I wont be her friend because she is your friend. In fact I told her I would have to delete her off my fb page due to you and your pal having access to my info and pictures.. yep we been there before huh little guy
        Now she is mad at me.. So be it.
        If you really want to make an impression...TELL THE TRUTH
        As far as women on the beach in Wonder Tucky... Kinda gross .. no thanks
        My boat is a bit bigger than a rowboat
        I think this is all the time I have for you today
        The Truth Shall Set you Free
         
        ps
        If this is Marky.. grow a pair,drive up the road,and lets end this like men
        If its not.. Try getting a job loser
        Awwwww did you just threaten Mark there...I think that was a threat. I thought your holiness was above brutalizing society...apparently not. So, its ok for you to issue threats? Sweetie your delusion is very disturbing. You just baited a fist fight what a complete moron are you? End the madness go on prozac immediately. Who gives a fuck about your boat ARTY? we all go on boats wtf is so speial about yours? It must be a good one since your lard ass has not managed to sink the fucker yet. I am actually glad you got a boat, just hoping you wake up and decide to sail around the world and spare us all your bullshit for a few months. Fuck I wish we all chipped in for the gas just to get rid of you.


        My children are above awesome, you think I regret them???Hell no...I sit back and watch them all have great lives. They bring me happiness that is even difficult to express. I am so happy my life is how it is trust me. Why dont you ask ppl that see me daily with my football team, they will tell you I would not change a fucken thing. I did amazing, and brought forth some excellent additions to our world. I am beyond blessed. You try to make children an ugly thing, and it is not. I am more than fully satisfied in my life. Then again trying to explain motherly love to such a retard is impossible. Would you ever lay your life down for a person???i doubt it..in a heart beat I would for anyone of my children. Without a doubt I would die for one of my children. Now that is love. Your incapable of it. Your to selfish to give freely...I pity you more than you realize.


        Mark is more of a man then you will ever be, he is loyal, loving and very compassionate when he needs to be. He will do anything for his friends. But you...fuck your a mess. You ask yourself what do I get in return first. Leave Felice alone, she wants no part of your little side show. Have some fucken respect and just do not bother her with this nonsense anymore. She wishes to speak about things in her life not your little discomforts. She is so fucken sick of hearing this shit daily. Life does not revolve aroung little Farty's baby tantrums.....figure it out, we are all sick of you fully. You are not the same man I remember at all. You turned into some selfish monster. I do not live my life to please a fucken soul and I am fucking proud of who I am and what I am. Get over it. I graduate very soon and to me it took hard work..Oh that's right you don't know a thing about hard work since mommy and daddy handed you money off their name. Some of us had to struggle and make it on our own. I am more proud of someone like me, I show more courage then you ever will. Your jealous of a woman like me. You simply jealous of us all..I think that is the real issue.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 15, 2010, 02:46:14 PM
        Mark is a coward like yourself
        'Talk tough on a web forum.. Put up or shut up
        I think he/you should call the police.. Yep thats what you should do
        or you could do the world a favor and kill yourself
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 15, 2010, 02:51:01 PM
        Farth's life exposed......no one is in it.....why??? Please confront Arty why he is so lonely in life....
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 15, 2010, 02:51:56 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Mark is a coward like yourself
        'Talk tough on a web forum.. Put up or shut up
        I think he/you should call the police.. Yep thats what you should do
        or you could do the world a favor and kill yourself
        awww why would i do that??? I would never do anything like that. I love myself to much trust me
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 15, 2010, 02:53:13 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Mark is a coward like yourself
        'Talk tough on a web forum.. Put up or shut up
        I think he/you should call the police.. Yep thats what you should do
        or you could do the world a favor and kill yourself
        You put it up fuck breath we are waiting, been waiting...dont threaten me you sick fucker. You are an emotional basket case. It clearly shows.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 15, 2010, 02:57:17 PM
        and why would i need police farty, do you honestly think you put fear into me...bababababababah. plus I got two cops in my home daily, so why would I need more. Oh you did not know that did you. I live with a cop, plus my daughter is with a cop as well. Dumb fucker least if your going to be fucking with others least know a little about their lives. If anything you may be seeing a jail cell sooner than you think buddy boy. We got a large file on your ass. Please I dare you threaten me some more....please bring it bitch boy. I am not one ounce afraid of you. Whatcha going to do hit me??? awwwwww ok whatever. I took harder before trust me and I am still standing. You arrogant fuck just piss off already. Go cry some more nonsense to people who truly care.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 15, 2010, 03:22:18 PM
        Bring it on Sharon
        Put up or shut the fuck up you  dizzy bitch
        Been threatening me since Dec 31st.. You are a coward
        where would you be without Fornits ?
        Where would you run your mouth ?
        Cunt
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 15, 2010, 03:29:05 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Bring it on Sharon
        Put up or shut the fuck up you  dizzy bitch
        Been threatening me since Dec 31st.. You are a coward
        where would you be without Fornits ?
        Where would you run your mouth ?
        Cunt
        I never threatened you..never stop lying....yes sweetie I am the biggest cunt you'll ever meet. I had wonderful training. Bring it bitch boy....I'm waiting. Cry bitch boy cry like always. No one cares what so ever about you. You did this to yourself. Keep threatening me please I beg you. Keep trying to damage my character go on try it. Fact remands farty no one cares. Your a silly little rolly polly fat man spewing venom daily. You think no one sees this? You make yourself look like the ignorant fucker you are. Calling women cunts....ouchy ouchy please been called worse. I actually do not give a rat's ass about being a cunt. Lord knows men like you drove me there. You proved to everyone what you truly are. You shut up or put up now...oh and dont waste your time calling me threatening me in middle of the night to slit my throat either. I already changed my number.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 15, 2010, 03:33:47 PM
        and without fornits where would you daily be able to bully and try to belittle people. Shit you should be paying fornits for allowing you to run free without a leash. Please you are a complete mess little man. You are a waste of life complete waste. Bet mommy and daddy are so proud of what their baby boy turned out to be. your own sister thinks you are retarded. no on likes you and this makes you angry inside. your fake ass friends would turn on you in a heart beat. now settle down go smoke your weed, and stfu already some of us would like to go a day without your fat ass rude comments. you are just mad a woman stands up to you. well sweetie that is because you are not a man at all. you are a maggot on the street of life. piss off little boy.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 15, 2010, 03:38:49 PM
        watch out world he he comes...when he talks it is just blowing wind..holds no merit and gives free entertainments daily...he makes dumb and dumbier look smart.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 15, 2010, 03:40:21 PM
        :jerry:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 15, 2010, 03:47:57 PM
        :karma:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 15, 2010, 03:53:43 PM
        :karma:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 15, 2010, 04:08:10 PM
        Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
        and without fornits where would you daily be able to bully and try to belittle people. Shit you should be paying fornits for allowing you to run free without a leash. Please you are a complete mess little man. You are a waste of life complete waste. Bet mommy and daddy are so proud of what their baby boy turned out to be. your own sister thinks you are retarded. no on likes you and this makes you angry inside. your fake ass friends would turn on you in a heart beat. now settle down go smoke your weed, and stfu already some of us would like to go a day without your fat ass rude comments. you are just mad a woman stands up to you. well sweetie that is because you are not a man at all. you are a maggot on the street of life. piss off little boy.

        Tell you what sharon. You shut up. Stop playing this game. That means no baiting .. no bullshit... and I simply go away
        We will never see eye to eye,as you are emotionally crippled,and I just get a kick out of you doing this dance for me every day
        I could care less either way. But I feel guilty handing you your ass 3-4 times a day. After all, you must be retarded.
        Seems you think you know me,but you dont. You think you are smart,but you are not.
        I am ALL FOR calling the cops and filing a report. Will only be to my amusement and betterment thanks to your pal Felice. I have enough on you to have you locked up,but I havent played that card... yet. Our local LE is well aware of whom,and what you are. Which includes my Marky's local Police Chief
        Yawwwn
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 15, 2010, 06:30:01 PM
        :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: STFU :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: God your just too much. Go lay down before you hurt yourself please. lmao lmao lmao lmao get a grip please you a nobody and noone is helping you either. I can give two shits if you manioulated poor Felice into gaining you knowledge or not. Big deal if you had anything something would of been done already by now, so go take a nap before you hurt yourself.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 15, 2010, 06:44:40 PM
        Sharon says; "My soda is huge"
        FArt say; "My soda is bigger than yours, and I will be bigger"
        Sharon says; "NO mines bigger"
        FArt say; "You Cunt mines bigger"
        Sharon says;"No fuck you asshole mines bigger"
        FArt says as he cries hysterically; "MINE is bigger, admit it now mine is bigger....I am a man your just a little woman.....give me respect damnit..or else"
        Sharon says; "or else what"
        FArt says beat red in the face;"I'll make you pay all of you all of you all of you, agree with me or else."



        and the story continues as the foolish behavior continues. Fact is Sharon has the bigger soda. What nonsense I feel like it is kindergarten lately. Why do we even bother reasoning with this retard bill anymore.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 15, 2010, 07:03:18 PM
        Must bring you great comfort, to make this pissing match about being an ex-staffer,or a woman hater,or anything else you want to use to cover the truth,and your responsibility in this 6 month assault. You are the victim. I came out of nowhere and started attacking you.
        Tell the truth Sharon. Be a WOMAN and make right your wrongs
        for the love of Mike.. Find the spellcheck key you ignorant cunt.
        I never had to manipulate Felice. She offered numorous times. I have every screen shot,paragraph,and assault on a disk. Its well documented what you did,have done,and because you have been caught.. you wanna play victim.
        I know all about you and your antics. I and others have had many a laugh at your expense. the 8 websites shut down including this one.Including,but not limited to ex-husbands,ex-roomates many many ex-friends. You have burned every bridge and everyone you have ever come in contact with.
        Grow up and stop this nonsense.
        Your pal Mark and me have a problem. He will not need you to defend him. He is 50 freakin yrs old and still telling lies... pretending to be others on (again) an anonymous website. Now thats classy.
        did he tell you that a woman,threw him out of our friend's shop for lying and getting caught ? LOL
        No he probably didnt. He is a coward.
        Shall I post his threats that he made (while pretending to be others) Facebook was VERY helpful.
        Doesnt have to be like this Sharon. Stop playing games and I go away.
        Isnt that what you want. No more contact ?
        Make it happen
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 16, 2010, 03:38:07 AM
        :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: Get a life seriously...see you later going on a gambling trip....do not got time for your delusional bullshit......but your funny as fuck I will give you that Farty :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 16, 2010, 07:00:56 AM
        Doesnt have to be like this Sharon. Stop playing games and I go away.
        Isnt that what you want. No more contact ?
        Make it happen
         
        You cant do it,can you  ?
        Shut up and leave it alone. If you dont act like a retard, you cant get any attention I guess
        How sad for you
        Tell the truth sharon
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Froderik on June 16, 2010, 10:27:58 AM
        :jamin:  :jerry:  :blabla:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 17, 2010, 09:03:04 AM
        :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 17, 2010, 09:06:03 AM
        :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  Man it sure is nice and quiet around here , Thank you  Elan Reporter for taking the trash out, the yard looks great and so are you and the  Photo-Man. See ya for some more good  chat's. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 17, 2010, 09:48:45 AM
        You still use the same scare tactics fArt? OMG!! This is like getting in a Deloreon time machine and going back 4-5 years ago. "I have everything on a disc". Give me a break! For one, why the fuck would you still be using disc's? There is this thing called "Memory cards", much easier concept. Your lies make even more sense these days, considering the affordable technology that is available. Not sure about Sharons statement about calling her in the middle of the night and threatening to slash her throat, not saying you did do that, but if you did..that would be a big NO NO fArt.
        Seriously fella, you really need to get with the times if you want to have a somewhat stance in a pissing contest. Let's see, when the last time I used a CD to copy something or back up something?? Hmmm. Late 90's! Flash cards are the preferred way, even if you are using an older PC.

        Get with the times fArt. :beat:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on June 17, 2010, 10:33:38 AM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        You still use the same scare tactics fArt? OMG!! This is like getting in a Deloreon time machine and going back 4-5 years ago. "I have everything on a disc". Give me a break! For one, why the fuck would you still be using disc's? There is this thing called "Memory cards", much easier concept. Your lies make even more sense these days, considering the affordable technology that is available. Not sure about Sharons statement about calling her in the middle of the night and threatening to slash her throat, not saying you did do that, but if you did..that would be a big NO NO fArt.
        Seriously fella, you really need to get with the times if you want to have a somewhat stance in a pissing contest. Let's see, when the last time I used a CD to copy something or back up something?? Hmmm. Late 90's! Flash cards are the preferred way, even if you are using an older PC.

        Get with the times fArt. :beat:

         :cheers:  :rofl:  :rofl:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 17, 2010, 10:42:48 AM
        Trollboy
        A sure bet,would be to never believe a thing that comes outa Sharon or Marky's (cumbubbler) Mouth. I wouldnt call her in the middle of the day,let alone night.
        I dont profess to be a computer geek. Am just a poor junkyard dog. With a small business on the side. Sometimes I actually get to pay myself. But generally business sux as a result of the economy. Which is why I took this job at the yard.
        The only exceptions were when she tried to set me up. But it backfired on her. I made the call from the yard, where my dear friend the Police Chief was here taking the report. One of several made based on the laws these two broke.
        Its obvious you are not up to speed on this temper tantrum of theirs. Its pretty amusing actually
        Gotta fly
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 17, 2010, 03:47:08 PM
        fArt you don't have to be a computer geek, matter of fact, it takes more time to use a CD for buring purposes to say copy pics, music, ect. It just doesn't make sense at all this day in age in whats available for technology purposes. You can even have a dated PC to use a memory stick on.
        So let me get this straight, you placed a call to sharon while a police cheif was present at the yard you work at? Did he have some sort of wire tap on the phone? Was the call recorded for documentation purposes, so that there is proof on both ends to even make a case? I mean this all sounds way to silly. Have an ongoing argument, online, and then get all upset and notify the police cause maybe someone hurt your feelings? Police would not even get involved unless a credible threat was made on either end. IE..I'm gonna kill you, I'll blow you away, ect,ect. I don't see any kind of threat like that posted here, maybe i over looked a thread?
        This all sounds familar, the legal action threats that is. Like when someone posted years ago it the elan thread annoynmously about how they are going to sue most of the members and how they are going to have some explaining to do to their bosses at their jobs cause they will have to take time off to go to court and they need to lawyer up asap because in the following month is when the shit was gonna hit the fan. I don't know about yourself, but when I take civil action against someone, I certainly don't tell them I am going to do it, because I rather them to be unprepared and not show up on the court date after the summons has been mailed to them or served to them, so that I get a quick victory via default! Nothing more worse then having to sit on court hours on end until your case is called.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 17, 2010, 04:35:17 PM
        Thanks for the computer lesson.
        the call that Sharon made and I returned,was done the same day my pal (Police Chief) was here taking the report of 11 threats made over facebook and 3 of the 8 Hatesites that Sharon/Mark created to harrass me. The call was returned and placed on speaker phone, where Sharon implicated herself in a plot to do physical harm to me. Couldnt have been better timing,nor could you find 2 people more stupid.
        Fortunately,Neither sharon or Mark have a job.. So no boss to be pissed off. Welfare and scamming people is their way of life
        This will not be a civil matter. I am not going to pour money into sueing these idiots. They havent anything to lose.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 17, 2010, 05:53:33 PM
        I go on a small trip to casinos and come home to this hilarous shit......TARTY FARTY ARTY still having a tanrum and producing more insane lying tantic. Is there ever an end? Well going to rest and have a nice bbq tonight with a few friends do not got time for the Tarty One right now.  :cheers:  :cheers:  But sweetie keep dreaming if you thik your doing anything really productive here other than making yourself look like the crazed idiot you trully are. Threats...my ass no one threatens you except your own little voices rolling over and over again in your own head. God I truly PITY you. Have a great life oh but thats impossible since your glued to fornits and wasting summer....good God least wait til winter..lmao


        Tarty Farty Arty has no clue about my income, he is assuming once again..this clearly shows his lack of gathering proper and accurate information. I forgot staffers tend to do that...ASSUMING is his speciality....moron I am dealing with a moron. Please someone bump this nonsense thread to the DRAMA BOX it clearly deserves to go there...please do us all a favor and kick it over there...


        Duh how come I went to seven casinos this past 2 months if I only had my disability?????? Get a fucken clue moron. People are on disability due to being disablied dumb ass. I worked 25 years to be able to collect a check moron and I have a tumor on my liver and serious injuries from accident so do not make it ugly asshole I do not collect a check off the government tit like you claim I do. Plus I am a full time college student. I do not sit around gaining position or money off my dad's name. I will be doing massively well in 3 years I already have a job idiot. AND I strive to get off ssd so it can build back up once I am working again. But thats right Little Farty Tarty Arty is not really a Smarty at all. I know why, he was good friends with his idol Marty...oh good God it all makes clear sense now....lmao lmao Next farty will say he is my banker. I own deeds dip shit get your facts right before you throw up anymore nonsense out of your mouth. No one believes you anyways...You wont sue me because you know I got enough to counter sue your ass. You would lose....Mister I love the word CUNT to much. You are a fool and everyone knows it and sees it.


        If you had anything it would of been used by now everyone knows it so go back to your auto parts job and stop talking to me you disgust me highly. Shit now I need anyother vacation just dealing with your ass. I am scheduling another for Saturday night to go to another resort, this time more gambling and a nice massage...maybe a nice steak dinner with a few glasses of wine....ahhh the weekends got to love them..bye Farty I got more important things to get done..I need my nails done and a new outfit and a few other odds and ends to pack up. I leave for Aruba in September now that will be awesome...oh my God how in the world do I pay for it all?? according to you no one but you has a dime to their name.....lmao lmao lmao baby you just dont know do you.  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 17, 2010, 07:01:06 PM
        Oh my
        Look at what the truth does.. It makes Sharon throwup on Fornits
        If I had anything on you  ?
        LOOOL
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Paul St. John on June 17, 2010, 07:18:38 PM
        NOBODY GIVES A FUCK!!!
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 18, 2010, 07:19:32 AM
        Noone cares period. I hope this wind bag stfu today he is so annoying
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 18, 2010, 07:24:53 AM
        If I had to guess "where you got the $$ to goto 7 casino's.. I would say you were prostituting yourself
        Tho the very thought sickens me
        You just cannot control yourself and your lies
        Lets see... 40 yrs old.. working for 25 yrs.. that makes you 15 when you started working ? Means you were "on the job @ Elan" ? When I met you ,and you had a suitcase of clothes to your name, you werent working. and according to your "sister" you didnt work for a long time while living in Skokie.. yep we got a good laugh at your lies too.
        How much could disability pay? I know people that have truthful reasons to be on SSD and they cant afford to go to the casino or on vacation... and he was an engineer for 33 yrs.
        Am gonna take your advice and go sell car parts in a few minutes. I am not the guy at Autozone hun. I ve been at this since I was a child,and I am perhaps one of the best in this business. Just like my father,his father,and his father before him.
        My boss is pretty happy to have me selling his car parts,and pays me very well. I bring him 50-70k in revenue every month.
        In  addition, I own a Consulting co that pays me pretty well (sometimes). I sponsor several local charities and the folks in my little town even asked me to run for public office.
        No matter what kind of picture you have tried to paint here of me. Others (who matter) know better,and regularly laugh at you.. Especially the whopper lie this morning.
        Time to make the junk. Dont shit yourself Sharon.. but dont stop either ! :bs:   :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on June 18, 2010, 05:00:29 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        If I had to guess "where you got the $$ to goto 7 casino's.. I would say you were prostituting yourself
        Tho the very thought sickens me
        You just cannot control yourself and your lies
        Lets see... 40 yrs old.. working for 25 yrs.. that makes you 15 when you started working ? Means you were "on the job @ Elan" ? When I met you ,and you had a suitcase of clothes to your name, you werent working. and according to your "sister" you didnt work for a long time while living in Skokie.. yep we got a good laugh at your lies too.
        How much could disability pay? I know people that have truthful reasons to be on SSD and they cant afford to go to the casino or on vacation... and he was an engineer for 33 yrs.
        Am gonna take your advice and go sell car parts in a few minutes. I am not the guy at Autozone hun. I ve been at this since I was a child,and I am perhaps one of the best in this business. Just like my father,his father,and his father before him.
        My boss is pretty happy to have me selling his car parts,and pays me very well. I bring him 50-70k in revenue every month.
        In  addition, I own a Consulting co that pays me pretty well (sometimes). I sponsor several local charities and the folks in my little town even asked me to run for public office.
        No matter what kind of picture you have tried to paint here of me. Others (who matter) know better,and regularly laugh at you.. Especially the whopper lie this morning.
        Time to make the junk. Dont shit yourself Sharon.. but dont stop either ! :bs:   :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::
        :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  Dont you ever give up  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  they hurt my fealings  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 18, 2010, 05:38:27 PM
        Dont you ever have a pair of nuts ?
        Troll = Coward
        Go fuck yourself
        Any time you decide you want to have a real conversation,with a real person, you know where to find me
        You are a sissy
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 19, 2010, 09:50:19 AM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Dont you ever have a pair of nuts ?
        Troll = Coward
        Go fuck yourself
        Any time you decide you want to have a real conversation,with a real person, you know where to find me
        You are a sissy
        another threat my word someone call the police....
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Froderik on June 19, 2010, 09:51:58 AM
        Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Dont you ever have a pair of nuts ?
        Troll = Coward
        Go fuck yourself
        Any time you decide you want to have a real conversation,with a real person, you know where to find me
        You are a sissy
        another threat my word someone call the police....
        :on phone:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 19, 2010, 09:55:27 AM
        He has no clue who my family is does he..lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao muhahahahahaha ok assume some more it is rather cute seeing you spin your wheels all the time. That thing you get information from was merely a foster sister, she dont know my family. They dispised her now I see why. Lmao lmao lmao lmao I am going to send you a book farty, the book on cyber bullying for dummies...you need some help grasping and pulling inaccurate information out of your ass. You are full of so much shit it is hilarous. You do realize we all just come on here to see you throw up daily online. Other than that I think your doing a mavelous job showing your true colors. You need no help what so ever. Ta ta going on a trip do not hurt yourself to badly while I am gone.  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 19, 2010, 09:58:57 AM
        Quote from: "psy,"
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        If I had to guess "where you got the $$ to goto 7 casino's.. I would say you were prostituting yourself
        Tho the very thought sickens me
        You just cannot control yourself and your lies
        Lets see... 40 yrs old.. working for 25 yrs.. that makes you 15 when you started working ? Means you were "on the job @ Elan" ? When I met you ,and you had a suitcase of clothes to your name, you werent working. and according to your "sister" you didnt work for a long time while living in Skokie.. yep we got a good laugh at your lies too.
        How much could disability pay? I know people that have truthful reasons to be on SSD and they cant afford to go to the casino or on vacation... and he was an engineer for 33 yrs.
        Am gonna take your advice and go sell car parts in a few minutes. I am not the guy at Autozone hun. I ve been at this since I was a child,and I am perhaps one of the best in this business. Just like my father,his father,and his father before him.
        My boss is pretty happy to have me selling his car parts,and pays me very well. I bring him 50-70k in revenue every month.
        In  addition, I own a Consulting co that pays me pretty well (sometimes). I sponsor several local charities and the folks in my little town even asked me to run for public office.
        No matter what kind of picture you have tried to paint here of me. Others (who matter) know better,and regularly laugh at you.. Especially the whopper lie this morning.
        Time to make the junk. Dont shit yourself Sharon.. but dont stop either ! :bs:   :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::
        :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  Dont you ever give up  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  they hurt my fealings  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:
        did he just lie to try to have ppl think I was a prosititue??? Where's his proof??? My first job was at 12 I was working for my uncle at Barnaby's pizza it was family owned.. he needs to do the math better. He listens to his pot buddy which use to be a foster sister....lmao lmao good witness there. I thik there is a law about what he is doing...omfg he is ruining my character. let me call police and sue him right away....blahahahahahhahahahaahha what a tardy farty smarty who loves marty......omfg dude get a life somewhere.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 19, 2010, 10:04:36 AM
        LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
        Go Sharon
        Keep dancing for me and your audience
        Tell the truth Sharon. thats where this begins and ends
        ps.. Please call the police.. I'll wait here !
        LOOOOOL
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 19, 2010, 10:06:41 AM
        :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger: Going on vacation take care all :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 21, 2010, 02:34:22 PM
        Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
        :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger: Going on vacation take care all :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:
        :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :jamin:  :jamin:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Paul St. John on June 21, 2010, 02:38:46 PM
        LOL!
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: troll programs on June 21, 2010, 02:40:12 PM
        Post edited.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Paul St. John on June 21, 2010, 02:40:59 PM
        ?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: troll programs on June 21, 2010, 02:41:41 PM
        Post edited.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Paul St. John on June 21, 2010, 02:44:10 PM
        Everyone knows that he is also Psy,

        he's also like 20 other people..LOL

        Paul
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 21, 2010, 03:09:05 PM
        Quote from: "Paul St. John"
        Everyone knows that he is also Psy,

        he's also like 20 other people..LOL

        Paul
        :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  That is the beauty of the internet you never know, ???????  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers: Remember transparency  works two  way's. But I a-sure  you I am not Mark, Why who are you,?? thats fair right ????  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 21, 2010, 03:12:42 PM
        HaHaHa
        Its Sharon or Mark
        The two that have made this forum into what it is today
        Garbage
        Cesspool
        Caustic
        Neither can stay away because they cant get any attention anywhere else in the real world
        Losers
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Paul St. John on June 21, 2010, 03:15:46 PM
        Oh.. Jeffrey.. No.. It never really occurred to me that he was Mark..

        I just thought he was whoever the hell Jeffrey is..LOL

        Who am I?  I go by my name.

        Paul
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 21, 2010, 03:20:13 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        HaHaHa
        Its Sharon or Mark
        The two that have made this forum into what it is today
        Garbage
        Cesspool
        Caustic
        Neither can stay away because they cant get any attention anywhere else in the real world
        Losers
        :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:    :rasta:  Oh Fart your so smart   :rasta:   I thought the Elan Reporter chased you away  again ? And why do you think everyone on this site is Mark or Sharon ?. Get past those guys !! your a real dweller of the negative past  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  Grow up and everyone is not Sharon or Mark.  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Paul St. John on June 21, 2010, 03:24:53 PM
        Although he does have the "Your" disease..

        or it could just be a mistake.. I do it occasionally myself.

        Paul
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Paul St. John on June 21, 2010, 03:30:07 PM
        Got your PM.. I m not offended.. I just thought it was funny.. Sharon is trying to brag about her vacation, and you turned it right around on her, with your little celebration.  

        Paul
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 21, 2010, 03:31:20 PM
        :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:    :rasta:  Oh Fart your so smart   :rasta:   I thought the Elan Reporter chased you away  again ? And why do you think everyone on this site is Mark or Sharon ?. Get past those guys !! your a real dweller of the negative past  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  Grow up and everyone is not Sharon or Mark.  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:[/quote]
                                                                       :soapbox:  Oh Fart your so smart  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 21, 2010, 03:32:19 PM
        Quote from: "Paul St. John"
        Got your PM.. I m not offended.. I just thought it was funny.. Sharon is trying to brag about her vacation, and you turned it right around on her, with your little celebration.  

        Paul
        :cheers:  That was the point I was making , thank you for seeing that lol lol :rocker:  :rocker:  :peace:  :peace:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: aliciakeys on June 21, 2010, 04:29:07 PM
        Mark come out wherever you are, stop playing hide and seek sweety....  lmao..... lmao..... lmao..... lmao..... lmao..... lmao

         :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 21, 2010, 06:56:19 PM
        Look at the little tantrum Marky is throwing
        could you flail your arms and kick your feet too ?
        Arent you 50 fucking years old ?
        and this is all you got ?
        Damn
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 22, 2010, 10:23:10 AM
        Vacation was great...came home long enough to do laundry and off again to travel some more....off again damn I am having an awesome summer......oh btw I made 10 grand off of the slots...lmao lmao lmao...going to go spend it now. Iowa here I come again.....I am moving there I swear to God, great place to be. Not to mention they make a mean margaretta. The water park was also awesome for the kids they had a blast. Wow wish ppl could get lives and see the world instead of holding in such negative energy. I would be lying if I said I will be thinking of you ...lmao lmao lmao because I would not waste my fun on you....lmao lmao lmao  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:



        Oh try not to shit all over yourself the next few days ok.......no one is here to wipe your ass Farty and Daniel.......stfu and stop running your lines of bullshit...you are not fooling a soul  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 22, 2010, 11:47:09 AM
        I could not,nor would I ever speak for Danny..
        But I have told the whole truth. Each and every time I have posted. I dont need to make anything up Sharon. The truth is bad enough.
        1) I dont believe you won anything or went anywhere
        2) I think the Jeffrey troll is either you or babbletits.. and/or perhaps a shared acct
        3) find the spellcheck button you ignorant trashy liar
        4) You and your rhetoric is EXTRA boring these days
        3 weeks ago you tried to kill yourself,and today life is great ?
        Who is shitting who Sharon ?
        STFU and go away
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 22, 2010, 12:50:36 PM
        Jeffrey give me a call today sweetie...Mark call me I got some information for you that you asked for. I'll make sure my cell is on all week so call anytime. If I am in casino I will have to call you back, no phones there. Especially if I am on tables. They will flip the fuck out. Ok guys call me..love ya  Oh Tim nice to see your finally back..love you too honey...sorry forgot to call you back, call me today....peace out
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 22, 2010, 12:53:08 PM
        Nazi thought we were going for drinks, meet me in Clinton. You got the number..I'll buy you dinner. :seg:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 22, 2010, 12:54:08 PM
        Elan Reporter I owe you a steak dinner and psy. you too anytime just holler.  :seg:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 22, 2010, 12:54:46 PM
        Felice love you too...I am seeing you sooner than you think with a huge present.....i'll call soon.  :seg:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 22, 2010, 12:55:33 PM
        Ginger hope your having a wonderful summer. Been thinking about you a lot and wishing you good times. :seg:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 22, 2010, 12:56:06 PM
        Annie I would love to met you and buy you dinner too. Hit me up sometime. You are awesome as ever.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 22, 2010, 12:57:49 PM
        Farty Smarty hope you get a crack in your boat..oh snap hope it is not in Fox Lake Marina...my best friend works there..lmao lmao lmao would not want them put out with a sinking boat on there shift, make sure you repair the old piece of shit soon. Some house you got there my trailer looks classier...lmao lmao lmao and that boat is a piece of shit......fix it dumb ass.
        Title: Re: New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 22, 2010, 12:59:30 PM
        Quote from: "exposecedu"
        I think Danny should refrain from communicating with anyone about his personal life via. e-mail or otherwise.  There are people who will use e-mails, private messages and/or statements from other websites to discredit him in lieu of his work history at Elan.
        Danny is a huge piece of shit, stop trolling yourself Danny, we all know this is your fake screenname. You just do not get it we think your a stupid idiot. You have done nothing for Elan except irritate everyone.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 22, 2010, 01:01:10 PM
        PSY will you move this nonsense to DRAMA BOX were is deserves to go?? Seriously this is nnsense tantrums from a mad man daily. Spare us all..I beg you spare us all. Put a leash on him today please..Thank you
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 22, 2010, 01:02:14 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        I could not,nor would I ever speak for Danny..
        But I have told the whole truth. Each and every time I have posted. I dont need to make anything up Sharon. The truth is bad enough.
        1) I dont believe you won anything or went anywhere
        2) I think the Jeffrey troll is either you or babbletits.. and/or perhaps a shared acct
        3) find the spellcheck button you ignorant trashy liar
        4) You and your rhetoric is EXTRA boring these days
        3 weeks ago you tried to kill yourself,and today life is great ?
        Who is shitting who Sharon ?
        STFU and go away
        Who cares what or who or why you do or do not agree with. We are not here to please you...You are pathetic.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 22, 2010, 03:11:16 PM
        Tell the truth Sharon
        YAAAWWNNNNN
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 23, 2010, 12:43:29 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Tell the truth Sharon
        YAAAWWNNNNN
        :rasta:  :rasta:{  Hey folk's let's take " Farty "  out to play }  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :jamin:  :jamin: :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:   And here comes  " FARTY "    :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:   :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  ::OMG::  :poison:  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: Tell the truth you sack of shit,  you  like the chase and confrontation. Your immediate  response say's it all Farty  so don't you lie again take a  :timeout:  and think about it. and don't shit yourself today. :beat:  :beat:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 23, 2010, 12:53:39 PM
        And the Sharon and Mark/ Acting out show continues
        YAAAWWWNNN
        Plagerizing my material too.. Now thats extra funny
        Tell the truth girls
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 23, 2010, 01:02:54 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        And the Sharon and Mark/ Acting out show continues
        YAAAWWWNNN
        Plagerizing my material too.. Now thats extra funny
        Tell the truth girls
        Thanks Farty , Everyone  knew you would come out to play today. Your like that lonely  kid that all someone has to do is call. Maybe if you were honest you would have a friend. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  But all you do is lie and expose yourself. :jawdrop: , well  at-least have been reported too . Try the truth Farty  !!!!!!!  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat: Tell  the truth !!!  it won't set you free  But people will  except you for what you are better and that's a bald face liar. :cheers:  :cheers:  :whip:  :whip: :waaaa:  :waaaa:   don't  shit yourself
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: aliciakeys on June 23, 2010, 02:46:29 PM
        :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat: :beat:  :beat:  :beat: :beat:  :beat:  :beat: :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 23, 2010, 02:47:03 PM
        Wahhhhhhh
        Arty hurt my feelings
        He caught me in 200 lies
        I am gonna pretend to be someone else and fuck with him.  Because I am very weak,and am a coward that wont back down despite being proven to be a liar,cheater and a thief
        Did I mention Wahhhhhhhhhh ?
        Why dont you leave it alone. Lick your wounds and get honest.
        if you dont lie
        You wont get caught and have to act out like a 6 yr old
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: aliciakeys on June 23, 2010, 03:03:10 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Wahhhhhhh
        Arty hurt my feelings
        He caught me in 200 lies
        I am gonna pretend to be someone else and fuck with him.  Because I am very weak,and am a coward that wont back down despite being proven to be a liar,cheater and a thief
        Did I mention Wahhhhhhhhhh ?
        Why dont you leave it alone. Lick your wounds and get honest.
        if you dont lie
        You wont get caught and have to act out like a 6 yr old

         :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 23, 2010, 03:35:51 PM
        Quote from: liarsexposed
        Wahhhhhhh
        Arty hurt my feelings
        He caught me in 200 lies
        I am gonna pretend to be someone else and fuck with him.  Because I am very weak,and am a coward that wont back down despite being proven to be a liar,cheater and a thief
        Did I mention Wahhhhhhhhhh ?
        Why dont you leave it alone. Lick your wounds and get honest.
        if you dont lie
         feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:
         :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  Why are you fixed on me being someone else Farty ????
         Do you think they are the only ones that don't  like you. ????  :beat:  :beat:  :beat: :waaaa:   Well Farty I hate to bring new news to the table but you are wrong and are trying to lie and cover it up. Should I post your past ???? Quit lying  Farty your not a nice man admit it. I have caught  you in 10.000 lie's you idiot !!!!!! , 200 lie's grow up Farty   :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 23, 2010, 03:40:54 PM
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        Any single women out there?
        ... love to play guitar " " Get ready for the BEST home cooked meal you ever had " " Average car/average job " " Body type: A FEW EXTRA POUNDS " WOW! Artman1111 your NOT going to catch any girl fishy's with THAT profile! Seriously Art I am a female and I would think your poor or cheap or both! Never ...

        by NAILBOMB
            21 Jul 2006, 11:48
             
            Forum: Elan School
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        Any single women out there?
        ... love to play guitar " " Get ready for the BEST home cooked meal you ever had " " Average car/average job " " Body type: A FEW EXTRA POUNDS " WOW! Artman1111 your NOT going to catch any girl fishy's with THAT profile! Seriously Art I am a female and I would think your poor or cheap or both! Never ...

        by Guest
            15 Jul 2006, 01:28
             
            Forum: Elan School
            Topic: Any single women out there?
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        Artman = a freak show at fornits
        Hey Mr. Artman1111 police wannabe, I also think you are nothing but a filthy, dirty ,disgusting brutal, child molesting, sexual predator.

        What are you gonna do about it FAGGOT?

        And No I am not "The Reporter".

        by Guest
            01 Sep 2005, 16:37
             
            Forum: Elan School
            Topic: Artman = a freak show at fornits
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        Anon posts
        I guess people who don't really give a shit about fake names are trolls. Hey artman1111 what do people, who come to this site know about you except that your artman1111 cause you sign in. For all we know you could be a tall skinny looking blonde from alaska whos ...

        by O.U.2
            30 Jun 2004, 18:40
             
            Forum: Elan School
            Topic: Anon posts
            Replies: 7
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         :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  Tell the truth Farty  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 23, 2010, 03:48:14 PM
        :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  Farty 's been caught  again in a  { lie,}  that makes it 10.001 lie's Farty  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  Quit  liging  you bag of shit.  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 23, 2010, 04:12:41 PM
        Quote from: "aliciakeys"
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Wahhhhhhh
        Arty hurt my feelings
        He caught me in 200 lies
        I am gonna pretend to be someone else and fuck with him.  Because I am very weak,and am a coward that wont back down despite being proven to be a liar,cheater and a thief
        Did I mention Wahhhhhhhhhh ?
        Why dont you leave it alone. Lick your wounds and get honest.
        if you dont lie
        You wont get caught and have to act out like a 6 yr old

         :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  Farty why are you traveling as a woman again ??.  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:   Didn't " The Elan Reporter"  Expose that about you already ??? Just be honest and quit lying about everything. Well all know you live in a 800 sq ft house that was built in the 50's and have a 16 ft boat. But you lie and say how great you are,  and you have nothing. You rent like allot of people and don't have much to show for anything. Why lie and say you are so well off and your not ??. Say your happy but don't say you are rich with fortunes and assets beyond measurement. Allot of people are content with just being content, why isn't that enough for you ???. Why lie and say how your the " Great Fart " and have everything. ?? Does the landlord still own the car lot and auction ???. You are a fraud Farty and get exposed every time you speak. Quit lying all the time Farty tell the truth !!!!  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  ::OMG::  ::OMG::
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 23, 2010, 05:14:43 PM
        Oh Marky/Sharon
        (one in the same)
        Glad you had time to research all the personal attacks I have shouldered.
        Was there a point to this ?
        I know you are all madders because I have exposed you for being a liar,cheater and a thief.. But really.. This tantrum is hilarious.
        I am sorry you are so angry
        Maybe you should find something positive to do with your time,besides researching 5-6 yr old posts on Fornits
        I dunno ... Hug your kids.. Get a job..
        Oy the illness here never ceases to amaze me
        Tell the truth Sharon/Mark
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 23, 2010, 07:32:19 PM
        Just be honest and quit lying about everything. Well all know you live in a 800 sq ft house that was built in the 50's and have a 16 ft boat
         
        LOL You are out of control with your lies kids
        You just cant seem to help yourselves. Its like you are infected with a disease (something I am sure Sharon is familiar with)
        Just to set the record straight
        I dont know when my house was built. Its 1275 sq on 3/4 of an acre,with several old-growth trees that we love to sit under every day
        My boat is a Wellcraft. Its a 21.5,with a cuddy and a swim platform that really makes it 1.5 ft bigger.
        So theres a couple lies for you to choke on kids.
        Try not to shit yourselves as you post"anonymous"
        Sharon sharon sharon.. Was this the kind of attention you crave ? How about you Marky ? (cumbubbler)
        Tell the truth girls
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 23, 2010, 11:56:28 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Just be honest and quit lying about everything. Well all know you live in a 800 sq ft house that was built in the 50's and have a 16 ft boat
         
        LOL You are out of control with your lies kids
        You just cant seem to help yourselves. Its like you are infected with a disease (something I am sure Sharon is familiar with)
        Just to set the record straight
        I dont know when my house was built. Its 1275 sq on 3/4 of an acre,with several old-growth trees that we love to sit under every day
        My boat is a Wellcraft. Its a 21.5,with a cuddy and a swim platform that really makes it 1.5 ft bigger.
        So theres a couple lies for you to choke on kids.
        Try not to shit yourselves as you post"anonymous"
        Sharon sharon sharon.. Was this the kind of attention you crave ? How about you Marky ? (cumbubbler)
        Tell the truth girls
        :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  Stop lying Farty it's number one not your house it's a rental, should we  post the owners name  for the Farty Estate ??? Her first name begins with A { V } and the last with a { K }, We  caught  you lying again Farty. Yes the only thing on the lot is that tiny rental, but we  wouldn't count the crawl space as livable square footage. So if you take your number and divide it in half  we are at, 636 sq ft so I guess we were close. See we were counting the bathrooms and crawl space in the attic as livable space too. :roflmao:  :roflmao: that how we got to the 800 sq ft, but the rental part is right. Why are you ashamed to be renting a house with your girlfriend ?? Or is she renting the house,??? Sec 8 or something we understand. We dont know if anyone has mentioned , there are allot of people that don't like your lie's all the time and yes Farty they turn on you and tell your secrets and things you say. They laugh about you and your supposed  house and tell the truth about it and were it's at and what it really looks like. And talk about you and the boat chair.Everyone want's to see you quit lying every time you come around, they all except you for the bag of shit you are and have always been. So quit lying Farty,!!!  cant you or wont you just stop and give up and go  " Honest ". Just try it have someone show you how maybe Eric knows how. He owes you  :roflmao:  :roflmao: Stop being a liar Farty  :beat:  :beat: And quit calling me Sharon I dont pretend to be other sexes like you have done and been exposed for by " The Elan Reporter " and their staff. or do you need the" Reporter " back to give accurate  testimony and proof how the " Reporter " and their staff have handed you your " ass" so many time in the past and just recently here on Fornits.??? Quit always lying Farty. You dont like that "Reporter " much, do you Farty ?? They really pulled your pants down little emperor , didn't they ??? Tell the truth !!. Why do you cower to the "Reporter " and their staff.?? They have your number and know all the buttons, right ??  Do not  lie dam it , Farty. tell the truth don't make them expose you again. :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  ::OMG::  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Paul St. John on June 23, 2010, 11:59:52 PM
        LOL!  

        well I was wrong about one thing....
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 24, 2010, 12:08:29 AM
        :rocker:  :rocker:  :waaaa:   " Farty " :waaaa:    was invited out to play this morning and he came running right along, haven't got that lying problem straightened out yet but we are working on it. We feel he just needs some  more exposure, his screen name liarsexposed is a cry for help. And we are going to help him. :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 24, 2010, 07:06:30 AM
        Poor Sharon/Marky
        You just arent happy if you cant attack someone. Show me where I said I owned this house. Its a rental for sure. Cant remember saying anything different
        I dont lie Sharon.. thats your thing.. every day all day ...
        hows that whole Troll thing working out ?
        are you finished making an ass out of yourself ?
        I bet not
        Tell the truth girls
        Try not to shit yourselves today
        Oh and if this is our resident cumbubbler Babbletits.. Lemme know when you become a man,and want to settle this like such
        I am just down the street every day Coward
        But instead of resoving anything..you want to play little girl games on the internet
        Aint you the coolest coward ?
        YAAAAWWWWN
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: aliciakeys on June 24, 2010, 07:37:23 AM
        Art you have to come up with something fresh besides "try not to shit yourselves girls" or "babble tits."  The problem with older people is they loose their creative edge.  You mentioned you lived down the street.  Are you threatening people again?  I wouldn't be concerned if I were Mark.  You couldn't beat up Ronald McDonald if you tried to.  
        :rocker:  :rocker:  :clown:  :clown:  :jamin:  :jamin: :beat:  :beat:  ::deadhorse::   ::deadhorse::  :nods:  :nods:  :timeout:  :timeout:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 24, 2010, 08:44:06 AM
        Gee where have we seen 2 people pretending to be others to gang up on Art ?
        Old news
        Old games
        Adolescent behavior
        Gee guys.. Gonna have a hard time getting through the day
        If I could only sit at home,collect a check,and dig up insignificant info on the internet all day
        You cant catch me in a lie,because I dont lie
        IS this an effort to make you look like LESS of a liar ?
        Threaten Marky ? LOL Call the cops ! Please !
        LOL you guys are funny as hell
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 24, 2010, 08:50:13 AM
        Quote from: "aliciakeys"
        Art you have to come up with something fresh besides "try not to shit yourselves girls" or "babble tits."  The problem with older people is they loose their creative edge.  You mentioned you lived down the street.  Are you threatening people again?  I wouldn't be concerned if I were Mark.  You couldn't beat up Ronald McDonald if you tried to.  
        :rocker:  :rocker:  :clown:  :clown:  :jamin:  :jamin: :beat:  :beat:  ::deadhorse::   ::deadhorse::  :nods:  :nods:  :timeout:  :timeout:
        :rocker:  :rocker:  Good observation "aliciakeys "  Farty  is redundant and yes he is the one doing the threatening all the time, I do not think anyone would meet up with him, be it to fight or talk. Farty has proven he will tell and call the police as he so boldly announces all the time. Everyone knows Farty to be a big jelly roll anyway. :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa: He has only one set of material and repeats it over and over like someone insane, thinking something different will happen, all the time  just exposes himself. :heartbreak:  :waaaa:  Dont shit yourself Farty
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 24, 2010, 09:00:50 AM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Thanks for the computer lesson.
        the call that Sharon made and I returned,was done the same day my pal (Police Chief) was here taking the report of 11 threats made over facebook and 3 of the 8 Hatesites that Sharon/Mark created to harrass me. The call was returned and placed on speaker phone, where Sharon implicated herself in a plot to do physical harm to me. Couldnt have been better timing,nor could you find 2 people more stupid.
        Fortunately,Neither sharon or Mark have a job.. So no boss to be pissed off. Welfare and scamming people is their way of life
        This will not be a civil matter. I am not going to pour money into sueing these idiots. They havent anything to lose.
        :jawdrop: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies

        Postby liarsexposed » 18 Jun 2010, 12:24
        If I had to guess "where you got the $$ to goto 7 casino's.. I would say you were prostituting yourself
        Tho the very thought sickens me
        You just cannot control yourself and your lies
        Lets see... 40 yrs old.. working for 25 yrs.. that makes you 15 when you started working ? Means you were "on the job @ Elan" ? When I met you ,and you had a suitcase of clothes to your name, you werent working. and according to your "sister" you didnt work for a long time while living in Skokie.. yep we got a good laugh at your lies too.
        How much could disability pay? I know people that have truthful reasons to be on SSD and they cant afford to go to the casino or on vacation... and he was an engineer for 33 yrs.
        Am gonna take your advice and go sell car parts in a few minutes. I am not the guy at Autozone hun. I ve been at this since I was a child,and I am perhaps one of the best in this business. Just like my father,his father,and his father before him.
        My boss is pretty happy to have me selling his car parts,and pays me very well. I bring him 50-70k in revenue every month.
        In addition, I own a Consulting co that pays me pretty well (sometimes). I sponsor several local charities and the folks in my little town even asked me to run for public office.
        No matter what kind of picture you have tried to paint here of me. Others (who matter) know better,and regularly laugh at you.. Especially the whopper lie this morning.
        Time to make the junk. Dont shit yourself Sharon.. but dont stop either ! :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: ::fullofshit:: ::fullofshit::

        The rants of success and willingness to tell on people, hows your friend the police chief Farty lol, :roflmao:  Your tuff guy  are going to tell  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  Be honest Farty do not lie. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 24, 2010, 09:08:06 AM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Trollboy
        A sure bet,would be to never believe a thing that comes outa Sharon or Marky's (cumbubbler) Mouth. I wouldnt call her in the middle of the day,let alone night.
        I dont profess to be a computer geek. Am just a poor junkyard dog. With a small business on the side. Sometimes I actually get to pay myself. But generally business sux as a result of the economy. Which is why I took this job at the yard.
        The only exceptions were when she tried to set me up. But it backfired on her. :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  I made the call from the yard, where my dear friend the Police Chief was here taking the report. :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  One of several made based on the laws these two broke.
        Its obvious you are not up to speed on this temper tantrum of theirs. Its pretty amusing actually
        Gotta fly
                                                                                                                                                                                 :jawdrop: Tell you what sharon. You shut up. Stop playing this game. That means no baiting .. no bullshit... and I simply go away
        We will never see eye to eye,as you are emotionally crippled,and I just get a kick out of you doing this dance for me every day
        I could care less either way. But I feel guilty handing you your ass 3-4 times a day. After all, you must be retarded.
        Seems you think you know me,but you dont. You think you are smart,but you are not.
        I am ALL FOR calling the cops and filing a report. Will only be to my amusement and betterment thanks to your pal Felice. I have enough on you to have you locked up,but I havent played that card... yet. Our local LE is well aware of whom,and what you are. Which includes my Marky's local Police Chief
        Yawwwn                                                                                                                                                                             :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  Farty your a Snitch and have been exposed again  . Quit lying all the time you coward  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 24, 2010, 09:18:49 AM
        liarsexposed wrote:Paul
            This will be the only response you are going to get from me.
            Sharon and Mark have more than earned the harsh words from me. Either you werent around when it started,or you were pretending to be someone else. (very common practice here)
            I have not been a participant here in a very long time and only recently came back to defend myself,and to expose the liars for what they really are
            NOTHING
            I wont bore you with all of the crap these 2 pulled but I will tell you that we have all witnessed Sharon and her unstable temper tantrums,and Mark's blatant lies.
            Suffice to say I handled this problem,unfortunately Fornits was the victim of these small people's temper tantrums.
            This is nothing more than a time waste for me as I pass the time of day on a very slow Friday. In effect I have had a pretty good time laughing at,and exposing the many lies that are told daily.
            they want to make this about something else
            jewish
            ex-staffer
            big bad Art
            Which is all good. Thats what children do when they are caught,and cannot substantiate their own lies. I think its a CRIME to have Sharon play mommy to a dog,much less children. Mark has been cheating and lying to protect himself from the IRS, but I corrected that for him. I may even get a reward LOL.. Will donate to a charity if that actually happens. But even if it doesnt, Mark should have learned @ 50 yrs old not to lie,cheat and steal. I only helped him learn that
            I hope this clears up any misinformation that these 2 and their 4-5 Screen names are trying to play. I find it very funny,but sad at the same time.
            But thats what I have come to expect from sick people.
            Paul.. I wish you well
            A
          :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  You are every place just lying up a storm Farty  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:

        :jawdrop: liarsexposed wrote:Seems the only person BESIDES Danny that is crying is you Sharon
        Maybe you should be a bit more humble. After all .. Wasnt it you that created a shitstorm with your tantrums ? At least Danny isnt posting anyone's pictures,email addy,phone numbers,address. He hasnt offered up anyone's IP's
        Here you are attacking someone else as if your side of the street were tidy'd up
        You are a SLOB of a person
        If your life is so good
        Maybe you could post something positive
        Instead of the usual personal attacks



        Right... Because you always have such nice things to say to everybody.

        Paul :cheers: :cheers: Dito Dito :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 24, 2010, 09:42:15 AM
        Ahhh More research huh Marky
        Maybe you should use your time to get a job = Freeloader
        But no
        Instead you are gonna cry,whine,and snivel over someone you have never met... and too cowardly to deal with face to face
        Stay here.. Play your games.. I have work to do
        Tell the truth Marky... If this was meant to defend your obvious dishonesty
        You have failed.. again. Or should I say still
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 24, 2010, 09:54:17 AM
        :soapbox:  :soapbox:  Your lie's never stop you are so successful and rich and your family just loves you. That's why you were banished to someones junk yard as a counter boy . The quiet estate  you claim, is a run down rental property. on a back street behind the nice homes on the lake, kind of like a guest house. Actually { V.K.} is renting  out to you an old summer home from back in the days. No one knows why you would beat up Sharon for a Mobile Home. Her sq ft are a little more than yours . And do  you know what the hell of it is people,????  Sharons  place is paid for, making her a home owner  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  Now how can you condemn her she has more than  you.???  For someone who owns a old used boat and car you talk allot of shit to folks. If anyone sounds like " Joe Dirt " it's you farty. We have found out threw personal mail that your other victim also owns several properties in a corp. As well as a Corvette and 3 other vehicles, a summer home thats 2500sq ft in northern Wisconsin and 5 Properties in ill. Yes he said he gave one back to the bank that was failing, but then companies dump toxic assets every day.They also own 3 of the properties out-right, maybe that's why they have extra time on their hands. Are you mad because you work as a flunky for someone and they work for themselves and are successful.??. Why would someone with so much, meet you anywhere,?? Your toxic and jealous. We have spoken to him and he laugh at you and calls you a waist of time and energy. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  He said why would he even dignify you with any contact. :beat:  :beat:  The Police would tell him the same thing. why are you picking on the bums ???. You don't  get  the things he has by hanging around people like you Farty. That is  obvious. :rocker:  :rocker:  And to all you renters we mean no offense, that's how home " OWNERS " make a living.  :peace:  :peace: . Farty seems to find embarrassment with it though. That is why it hasn't came out till now,  when he was caught again in a lie. :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: PS Farty I am not Marky or Sharon cant you understand that ?? Others hate you too.    :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:   Don't shit yourself today again  :karma:  :karma:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 24, 2010, 11:45:22 AM
        I go on vacation and come home to this...priceless......lmao lmao lmao I dont got time for FARTY nonsense...I am going to see a good friend today.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 24, 2010, 11:52:08 AM
        Oh lookie
        Sharon signed in as herself
        Back from flying the space shuttle.. Million Dollar Jackpots in Monte Carlo ?
        You have zero class,and less credibilty
        Do you think everyone is as dumb as you ?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 24, 2010, 12:03:12 PM
        Farty to me you will always be that grown ass man with kids and married who exploited me when I was a troubled confused teenager. You knew better but yet still took advantage of a teenager. Does it make you feel good knowing you fucked a young girl who you fed cocaine?? We partied endlessly and you know it, so you stop lying you child molestor and get a life. I do not care about you nor give a fuck about who, what, where you got a thing. I was born 1970, when where you born FARTY let everyone here do the math on their own. You had a wife and two children you horrible excuse of a man. You hurt not only me but your family. Some guy you were. I was a kid knew no better but you were an adult a so called "established adult" with Joe Ricci training, you knew how to use and exploit a young girl. I think you are as little as the ants on the ground. No money in the world would ever give you respect, no amount of people could ever change my mind in what you are or who you truly are. I can give a rats ass what you do or what you have. You still do not have a thing anyone really desires. You make yourself look desperate all day long blaming others for your messes. No one likes you because your a straight up dickhead. Leave me out of your little games I am really not interested in you at all, I could care less if you died tomorrow. I am way to good for the likes of you. I am an established woman now not that little silly girl you once knew, get that threw your head. Grow up and move on. You make me sick fully. Do you have any idea how insane you appear to everyone??
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 24, 2010, 12:07:32 PM
        I do not need another screenname farty pants....I speak out right as myself and everyone knows it. You are just pissed off I travel my ass off all summer long, and you cannot do that. I have seen some amazing things this summer, maybe if you got your stupid ass off a computer long enough I suggest going to Savannah they got some amazing things there. Then shoot over 30 minutes into IOWA go gamble a bit. The Mississippi river is so beautiful this time of year. Ta ta for now got to go visit a dear friend today and have a blast.....no time for the ARTY special ed class...lmao :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 24, 2010, 12:13:38 PM
        So why dont you go shut up you child molestor no one is interested.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 24, 2010, 12:29:21 PM
        LOL SO now I am a child molester ?
        Is this really your best defense ? More lies ?
        Pretending to be others ?
        You are on a roll with your usual bullshit. Problem is.. The only persons that MIGHT believe you and your OTHER screen names..
        Would be you
        Must suck real bad to have to do this every day
        Sure glad I am not you
        I would kill myself ... For Real
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Froderik on June 24, 2010, 12:34:04 PM
        I'm tired of being tormented to hell, that's what I'm tired of.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 24, 2010, 12:44:23 PM
        Farty Farty !!! :waaaa:    
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Oh lookie
        Sharon signed in as herself
        Back from flying the space shuttle.. Million Dollar Jackpots in Monte Carlo ?
        You have zero class,and less credibilty
        Do you think everyone is as dumb as you ?
        :beat:  :beat:  Did Sharon have to pull your pants up again ???   You have no credibility Farty  and we are sure no financial credit ether,ie rental house. Do you feel ashamed that Sharon even with all of her problems she has faced in life including  you has managed to raise her kids and buy a house. ??. I guess I would be ashamed too. You have nothing Farty and can't deal with that " truth" . An old boat and a old car , renting a old house and a girlfriend with and 8 ball tattoo on her hand, real classy Sir Farty. :rocker:  :rocker:   Looks like your rich family has taken appropriate care of you, ::unhappy::    out-side of banishing you to an island in the pacific. But that would be too nice so they banished you to Wondertucky. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: Tell more lie's Farty your pant's are falling, don't shit yourself and don't lie. ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::   you wanted the truth well here it is Farty. ::OMG::  ::OMG::   You cant handle the truth Farty. Aka Liarsexposed. you are always exposed Farty the junk boy. :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 24, 2010, 12:51:24 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        LOL SO now I am a child molester ?
        Is this really your best defense ? More lies ?
        Pretending to be others ?
        You are on a roll with your usual bullshit. Problem is.. The only persons that MIGHT believe you and your OTHER screen names..
        Would be you
        Must suck real bad to have to do this every day
        Sure glad I am not you
        I would kill myself ... For Real
        :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  You have to be at the counter at the junk yard stupid,  :beat:  so you  can pay your $.500.00 a month rent on the palace in Wondertucky, Da . Sorry to see you suffer Farty. :waaaa:  :waaaa:   Sharon is still out in front. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers: Keep going girl he's on the ropes, lol  lol  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  Because they wont let him in Ha  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 24, 2010, 01:06:12 PM
        I was a kid knew no better
        LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
        You would have sucked my dick(or any other) for a Happy Meal....
        You are cracking my shit up today.... You should either be on stage as a comedian,or in a mental hospital!!!!!!
        How does a person actually fall this far ?
        I mean I remember when I was doin bad stuff, but on my worst day, I could never imagine pulling the shit you have.
        Take your husband to court for a divorce and have him arrested.. I heard the real story Sharon.. Lie all you like
        You are a straight up,spiteful,vengeful,nasty, CUNT
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 24, 2010, 01:13:46 PM
        Quote from: "Froderik"
        I'm tired of being tormented to hell, that's what I'm tired of.
        :rocker:  :rocker:  Perhaps a different thread "Froderik" , you keep getting snarled up in this one, sorry for bad directions at the top of the forum. We have suggested larger print on the front page of the site saying " Free For All ",  but budgets and things ya know. But Ginger and Mike are working on it. Again sorry for your  confusion.I think they are debating  " Penis Pump's"on another thread here. I am sure your input would be greatly needed and appreciated much more there  than here. :cheers:  :cheers: But thanks  for stopping by and please come back, I am sure your views will help to improve everything here on the  "OPEN FREE FOR ALL" !!!!!!!!!.  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: as well as methods on herding  cats in a barn .  Thanks and have a great day. PS. Strip Bars have naked men and or woman. Just a heads up in case you walk into one, The word " Strip " has nothing to do with racing or betting cards or the fact it could be on a main street in a town ,sometimes known as the main strip or drag threw town. OK ?? Just as Open Free For All means what it say's. No feelings hurt just,  speak out " Openly " :seg:  :seg:  :seg:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 24, 2010, 01:22:54 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        I was a kid knew no better
        LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
        You would have sucked my dick(or any other) for a Happy Meal....
        You are cracking my shit up today.... You should either be on stage as a comedian,or in a mental hospital!!!!!!
        How does a person actually fall this far ?
        I mean I remember when I was doin bad stuff, but on my worst day, I could never imagine pulling the shit you have.
        Take your husband to court for a divorce and have him arrested.. I heard the real story Sharon.. Lie all you like
        You are a straight up,spiteful,vengeful,nasty, CUNT
        :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat: Farty stop beating on Sharon as she has nothing to do, as you say , you must be pretty free with time too. How do you have all this time to lie and not tell the truth and steal time from your boss stalking others, ??. You have been caught steeling from work and lying to others again Farty.  How many times have you shit yourself today,???  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: Tell the truth !!  :beat:  :beat: . Stop being so nasty to everyone and leave people alone Farty. You are a bully and a coward go away. ::unhappy::  :cheers: Hey !!  Farty don't  you wish you could afford that" Happy Meal " now  ???  Oh that's right you live in your girlfriends  rental house you might have enough. But no dollar  pie's  Farty,,  it's chair boat  season on Wndertucky Lake.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Froderik on June 24, 2010, 01:26:13 PM
        Quote from: "Jeffery"
        Quote from: "Froderik"
        I'm tired of being tormented to hell, that's what I'm tired of.
        :rocker:  :rocker:  Perhaps a different thread "Froderik" , you keep getting snarled up in this one, sorry for bad directions at the top of the forum. We have suggested larger print on the front page of the site saying " Free For All ",  but budgets and things ya know. But Ginger and Mike are working on it. Again sorry for your  confusion.I think they are debating  " Penis Pump's"on another thread here. I am sure your input would be greatly needed and appreciated much more there  than here. :cheers:  :cheers: But thanks  for stopping by and please come back, I am sure your views will help to improve everything here on the  "OPEN FREE FOR ALL" !!!!!!!!!.  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: as well as methods on herding  cats in a barn .  Thanks and have a great day. PS. Strip Bars have naked men and or woman. Just a heads up in case you walk into one, The word " Strip " has nothing to do with racing or betting cards or the fact it could be on a main street in a town ,sometimes known as the main strip or drag threw town. OK ?? Just as Open Free For All means what it say's. No feelings hurt just,  speak out " Openly " :seg:  :seg:  :seg:
        It's different this time because the Houston police are involved.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 24, 2010, 01:32:20 PM
        Quote from: "Froderik"
        Quote from: "Jeffery"
        Quote from: "Froderik"
        I'm tired of being tormented to hell, that's what I'm tired of.
        :rocker:  :rocker:  Perhaps a different thread "Froderik" , you keep getting snarled up in this one, sorry for bad directions at the top of the forum. We have suggested larger print on the front page of the site saying " Free For All ",  but budgets and things ya know. But Ginger and Mike are working on it. Again sorry for your  confusion.I think they are debating  " Penis Pump's"on another thread here. I am sure your input would be greatly needed and appreciated much more there  than here. :cheers:  :cheers: But thanks  for stopping by and please come back, I am sure your views will help to improve everything here on the  "OPEN FREE FOR ALL" !!!!!!!!!.  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: as well as methods on herding  cats in a barn .  Thanks and have a great day. PS. Strip Bars have naked men and or woman. Just a heads up in case you walk into one, The word " Strip " has nothing to do with racing or betting cards or the fact it could be on a main street in a town ,sometimes known as the main strip or drag threw town. OK ?? Just as Open Free For All means what it say's. No feelings hurt just,  speak out " Openly " :seg:  :seg:  :seg:
        It's different this time because the Houston police are involved.
        :beat:  Your crazier than Farty  :cheers:  :cheers:
        Re: Fight with Danny and all ELAN people at this website!

        Postby Froderik » 19 Jun 2010, 17:19

            troll programs wrote:Art n' Sharon show today! Hell yeah..... Fight fight fight..... Assholes n' faggots.....


        :rofl: :roflmao: :rofl: :jerry: ::deadhorse::

        User avatar
        Froderik
           :beat:   Have they looked at all 6100 of your post for political correctness and offensive content, ?? Those are your word's up there no one else s, better hit delete on all your post first." Just a heads up."  I haven't seen anyone attack or bother you in this forum any way so I dont know why you come around with your harsh attitude. but it's called Free For All Open Forum so welcome. :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker: Once you re posted and agreed, they are the same as you saying it.Otherwise you wouldnt have posted it, OK ??? :cheers:  :cheers:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 24, 2010, 01:53:10 PM
        http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/Ma ... t/shit.jpg (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/MassOChrist/shit.jpg) :jawdrop:  Do you remember posting this one ??  :jawdrop:  ::OMG::  ::fullofshit::Image
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Paul St. John on June 24, 2010, 01:55:07 PM
        I am confused- the Houston police are involved in what?

        There is no one here, who has been verbally attacked who hasn t dished out their own attacks.  There are no victims here.

        Just a bunch of people arguing.

        Paul
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Paul St. John on June 24, 2010, 01:57:37 PM
        I hope they don t arrest Anne's avatar for indecent exposure.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 24, 2010, 02:03:49 PM
        I think Froderik is having Farty problems today and wants to act out. If anything people have been tolerant of him or hers stupid unimportant comments. But who knows ??  I agree with you Paul, no one gets what they don't invite. Knowing that , why even stop to comment.?? Look at Froderik's some 6129 post and tell us how pure and nice he or she is ??  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies

        Post by Paul St. John » 4 minutes ago
        I hope they don t arrest Anne's avatar for indecent exposure.
         :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  Danny will put up bail money  :cheers:  :cheers:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Paul St. John on June 24, 2010, 02:19:44 PM
        Quote from: "Jeffery"
        I hope they don t arrest Anne's avatar for indecent exposure.
         :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  Danny will put up bail money  :cheers:  :cheers:


        Laughing My Ass Off!
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on June 24, 2010, 02:31:41 PM
        Quote from: "Paul St. John"
        Quote from: "Jeffery"
        I hope they don t arrest Anne's avatar for indecent exposure.
         :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  Danny will put up bail money  :cheers:  :cheers:


        Laughing My Ass Off!


         :rocker:  :rocker:  :cheers:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 24, 2010, 02:35:44 PM
        I think the Jeffrey Troll is old and stale
        Kinda like Sharon's/Marky (suckacock) BAbbletits personality
        Just a little girlie game to be played by cowards...
        Play with yourselves.. You should be used to that by now
        Scumbag
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 24, 2010, 03:19:04 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        I think the Jeffrey Troll is old and stale
        Kinda like Sharon's/Marky (suckacock) BAbbletits personality
        Just a little girlie game to be played by cowards...
        Play with yourselves.. You should be used to that by now
        Scumbag
        :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :waaaa:  :waaaa: It drives you nut's, not to be in the loop farty ,. Does it bother you to see others interact and have fun, ?? no you are not invited Farty . you are a nasty person . And a liar and thief. :waaaa:  :waaaa:  Stop contacting us and bothering us farty. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: Anne and Paul and everyone else  is laughing at you not with you Farty. They all see the fire and hate you draw. non of us fight or argue , and when we do communicate you come running around. :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  So no farty your not invited, you are a nasty vulgar person and have no respect for woman or others, maybe it's your mother you are mad at that's why you troll as a woman, did she have an 8 ball tattoo on her hand too ? Dad was a gear head wasnt he ?? or just a  Mocky Jew. Did he wear the big gold eye glasses and gold bracelets,??. And had bad dental work I bet so. But one thing he did right and that's get rid of you farty.   Don't shit yourself and the closet you will ever be to Lake Shore dr is that dump you live in, on E. LSD in Wondertucky. :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: aliciakeys on June 24, 2010, 03:19:24 PM
        Art will get a good ole' fashion "google pecker" in the rectum when he's in prison.  Child molesters are treated with the highest regards.  
         :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin: :jamin:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 24, 2010, 03:43:04 PM
        Quote from: "aliciakeys"
        Art will get a good ole' fashion "google pecker" in the rectum when he's in prison.  Child molesters are treated with the highest regards.  
         :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin: :jamin:
        :rocker:  :rocker:  Oh the Great Farty has lots of things in his past to expose. That is just some of the harm he has done. Read his post and contact him at the junk yard in richmond il. He is a monster and extremely  dangerous . he is always wanting people to meet him and settle things like men. But he is not a man so no one takes him up on it. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  I think he mean pork him in the ass, but is shy that way, :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  The fact he always talk about Police say's  it's not to physically  fight.  But there are no cop's,, if there were , they would have arrested  him.  . He will eventually  go over the edge and too jail, It has been proven he has nothing to loose, except for a Girlfriend ?? with an 8 ball tattoo on her hand. But he will find some man with the same tattoo, so it will all  work out for Farty. I don't know if they will work with Farty's game in prison but he always has the guard's and protective  custody to run to. ::unhappy::  run Farty run  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: Quit being a liar Farty and go away !!!!!!!!!! :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Paul St. John on June 24, 2010, 03:44:59 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        I think the Jeffrey Troll is old and stale
        Kinda like Sharon's/Marky (suckacock) BAbbletits personality
        Just a little girlie game to be played by cowards...
        Play with yourselves.. You should be used to that by now
        Scumbag


        Honestly, Art.. can t you see that we are having fun?

        I think I saw Sharon in another thread.  Go get her, boy...

        Paul
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: aliciakeys on June 24, 2010, 03:49:05 PM
        What did Art do to his lady friend in the junk yard this time?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 24, 2010, 03:51:54 PM
        Quote from: "Paul St. John"
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        I think the Jeffrey Troll is old and stale
        Kinda like Sharon's/Marky (suckacock) BAbbletits personality
        Just a little girlie game to be played by cowards...
        Play with yourselves.. You should be used to that by now
        Scumbag


        Honestly, Art.. can t you see that we are having fun?

        I think I saw Sharon in another thread.  Go get her, boy...

        Paul
        :cheers:  :cheers:  He is the energizer troll,, Paul  just watch this idiot. He don't stop :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 24, 2010, 03:54:51 PM
        Quote from: "aliciakeys"
        What did Art do to his lady friend in the junk yard this time?
        :jawdrop: Only the Attorneys and the owner Eric  know this time, I have heard of problems there in the past and he got saved by a lie because the owner knew too, " I heard " naturally Farty will dispute any wrong doing. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Froderik on June 24, 2010, 03:55:07 PM
        Quote from: "Paul St. John"
        I hope they don t arrest Anne's avatar for indecent exposure.
        :rofl:  :rofl:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 24, 2010, 03:59:57 PM
        :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  Boy  Farty your having a rough day on the only web site you can still sign on to with out threat of prosecution or arrest. :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  Quit lying and bothering us Farty, go away and leave us alone, you are a liar and thief and a predator we all see it and have posted your haunts. There are caution sign's about you all over the web Farty. Leave us alone your nasty and rude. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :seg2:  :seg2:  :seg2:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Froderik on June 24, 2010, 04:00:57 PM
        Quote from: "Jeffery"
        I think Froderik is having Farty problems today and wants to act out. If anything people have been tolerant of him or hers stupid unimportant comments. But who knows ??  I agree with you Paul, no one gets what they don't invite. Knowing that , why even stop to comment.?? Look at Froderik's some 6129 post and tell us how pure and nice he or she is ??  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies

        Post by Paul St. John » 4 minutes ago
        I hope they don t arrest Anne's avatar for indecent exposure.
         :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  Danny will put up bail money  :cheers:  :cheers:
        I bear your dislike with composure; I am as decent a lad as you could hope to meet on a May morning.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: aliciakeys on June 24, 2010, 04:03:57 PM
        Did Danny and Art work together at ELAN?  How well do they really know each other?  There has to be a connection between the two of them.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: aliciakeys on June 24, 2010, 04:10:26 PM
        Jeffery - Danny needs your attention in this thread viewtopic.php?f=24&t=21057&start=15 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=21057&start=15) he is disrespecting his master Anne again.   :eek:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 24, 2010, 04:17:28 PM
        Quote from: "aliciakeys"
        Did Danny and Art work together at ELAN?  How well do they really know each other?  There has to be a connection between the two of them.
        :rocker:  I think Danny was on his way out when Farty came to the house, If  Danny was even there, he has yet to find anyone who remembers him. So the jury is still out. but plenty remember farty and what an ass-hole he was then too. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  Danny and Farty really don't talk. Danny handed Farty his ass some time back. So Farty leaves Danny alone :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:  I would call it The Beat Down By " Danny B ' and for that Danny deserves an Ada-Boy. If he has done no good he slayed the Fartster. It's been said Danny has the old photo's of fartster and his antics. :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  more exposure Farty. :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: aliciakeys on June 24, 2010, 04:21:00 PM
        What sort of things did Art used to do?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 24, 2010, 05:02:06 PM
        Pissant cowards pretending to be others...
        You are a one woman riot Sharon
        Keep searching .. You got nothing on me... Keep spinning.. I love it when you dance for me
        I see you have had a big day of hate and bile
        How suprising. LOOOOLLLLLLL
        Its time to get in the water hun.. I have an anchor with your name on it..
        come on over and will see if you float
        Title: This sounds like another threat again Art?
        Post by: aliciakeys on June 24, 2010, 05:06:10 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Pissant cowards pretending to be others...
        You are a one woman riot Sharon
        Keep searching .. You got nothing on me... Keep spinning.. I love it when you dance for me
        I see you have had a big day of hate and bile
        How suprising. LOOOOLLLLLLL
        Its time to get in the water hun.. I have an anchor with your name on it..
        come on over and will see if you float

        This sounds like another threat again Art?  We know your lawyer got you off the hook the first time.  You can only get away with so many crimes.

         :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:
        Title: What happened in the junk yard Art?
        Post by: aliciakeys on June 24, 2010, 05:11:24 PM
        What happened in the junk yard Art?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 24, 2010, 05:19:29 PM
        Quote from: "aliciakeys"
        What sort of things did Art used to do?
        :cheers:  Just read his past post under Artman1111 ,Liarsexposed, and you will  see and understand his madness. It goes back years and years.Google his name and read away. he has offended and stalked folks for years. He has been put in his place many times and get's loose. He stalks Sharon and Felice  and just treats women in general like shit. He is a vary bad person and is never wrong and always say's it. Everyone's a liar and he is the prince. But yet he get's caught  lying constantly, and just wont leave people alone. You can see in the above post, You and Paul and me are just having fun interacting and joking and here comes the bully. :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:

        Post by liarsexposed » Today, 19:35
        I think the Jeffrey Troll is old and stale
        Kinda like Sharon's/Marky (suckacock) BAbbletits personality
        Just a little girlie game to be played by cowards...
        Play with yourselves.. You should be used to that by now
        Scumbag
        I think the Jeffrey Troll is old and stale
        Kinda like Sharon's/Marky (suckacock) BAbbletits personality
        Just a little girlie game to be played by cowards...
        Play with yourselves.. You should be used to that by now
        Scumbag
         :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  I think you get the point  :rocker:  :rocker:

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        Post by Paul St. John » Today, 20:44

            liarsexposed wrote:I think the Jeffrey Troll is old and stale
            Kinda like Sharon's/Marky (suckacock) BAbbletits personality
            Just a little girlie game to be played by cowards...
            Play with yourselves.. You should be used to that by now
            Scumbag

         


        Honestly, Art.. can t you see that we are having fun?

        I think I saw Sharon in another thread. Go get her, boy...

        Paul
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        I think the Jeffrey Troll is old and stale
        Kinda like Sharon's/Marky (suckacock) BAbbletits personality
        Just a little girlie game to be played by cowards...
        Play with yourselves.. You should be used to that by now
        Scumbag


        Honestly, Art.. can t you see that we are having fun?

        I think I saw Sharon in another thread. Go get her, boy...

        Paul
         :rocker:  :rocker:  Why should Paul have to clarify  what his actions are ?? Obviously he is a gentlemen and feels the need. Farty just interferes  with everyone good or bad he don't care. Paul should have told him a few other things but that doesn't seem to be Paul, lucky for Farty. Thanks for being a decent person Paul and this whole thing is allot of fun some times. A great stress reliever, not often can you gather people that will just come back for more, I go into my hep tic day with very little stress or anger thanks to the Farty's of the world., In turn the people I meet in daily  business are easier to deal with. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
        Post by liarsexposed » 11 minutes ago
        Pissant cowards pretending to be others...
        You are a one woman riot Sharon
        Keep searching .. You got nothing on me... Keep spinning.. I love it when you dance for me
        I see you have had a big day of hate and bile
        How suprising. LOOOOLLLLLLL
        Its time to get in the water hun.. I have an anchor with your name on it..
        come on over and will see if you float
         :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  More threats  from the fartster ,, Go away and leave us alone Farty we wont use your name because you will want to suit us again at Fornits. Go away farty you have everyone pounding on you, go away, we don't like your bile. PS Dont shit yourself on the boat chair  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rasta:  :cheers:  :rasta:  :roflmao:   :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 24, 2010, 05:55:52 PM
        Sharon and her other screen name
        Oh the pain
        LOL
        You freakin sissy
        Grow up and end thid
        Or throw another tantrum tomorrow LOL
        Either way.. people are sure to laugh at you
        Now you really have all the attention
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Paul St. John on June 24, 2010, 06:22:13 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Pissant cowards pretending to be others...
        You are a one woman riot Sharon
        Keep searching .. You got nothing on me... Keep spinning.. I love it when you dance for me
        I see you have had a big day of hate and bile
        How suprising. LOOOOLLLLLLL
        Its time to get in the water hun.. I have an anchor with your name on it..
        come on over and will see if you float


        Art is a bad guy.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: aliciakeys on June 24, 2010, 06:23:24 PM
        Art if you did not commit a crime against a minor like you said you did, then why are you still arguing with people on this website?  You claim you didn't commit a crime against a minor where the more you argue the more guilty you look.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 24, 2010, 07:38:49 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Sharon and her other screen name
        Oh the pain
        LOL
        You freakin sissy
        Grow up and end thid
        Or throw another tantrum tomorrow LOL
        Either way.. people are sure to laugh at you
        Now you really have all the attention
        :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  just read they are talking about you and you molestation charges,  just tell the truth Farty ,Re: Elan

        Postby Paul St. John » Yesterday, 23:22

            liarsexposed wrote:Pissant cowards pretending to be others...
            You are a one woman riot Sharon
            Keep searching .. You got nothing on me... Keep spinning.. I love it when you dance for me
            I see you have had a big day of hate and bile
            How suprising. LOOOOLLLLLLL
            Its time to get in the water hun.. I have an anchor with your name on it..
            come on over and will see if you float




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        Postby aliciakeys » Yesterday, 23:23
        Art if you did not commit a crime against a minor like you said you did, then why are you still arguing with people on this website? You claim you didn't commit a crime against a minor where the more you argue the more guilty you look.

        aliciakeys
             :beat:  :beat:  Tell everyone Farty  ,!! don't make us tell the story for you. Quit lying you sack of shit, Cop to your guilt you molesting bastard. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 24, 2010, 07:51:57 PM
        Quote from: "aliciakeys"
        Art if you did not commit a crime against a minor like you said you did, then why are you still arguing with people on this website?  You claim you didn't commit a crime against a minor where the more you argue the more guilty you look.
        :rocker: Sharon she can enlighten all of you about Farty stalking her and her family all these years. He calls her all these names but runs  behind her,  like he is in fear of her exposing him for his criminal act's with her when she was a minor too. Its not a pretty story but true.As far as the junk yard girl we have only heard bits and pieces, but Farty was bad again. Now he grimaces about people exposing him as a liar and molester and thief .  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  You should have stayed away Farty, and this truth would not have to be discussed. but you didnt want to listen now you must answer to the folks here that you have disrupted.  And quit fighting back you said you didn't do anything. Right ??   LOL  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

            *


        Postby liarsexposed » Yesterday, 18:06
        I was a kid knew no better
        LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
        You would have sucked my dick(or any other) for a Happy Meal....
        You are cracking my shit up today.... You should either be on stage as a comedian,or in a mental hospital!!!!!!
        How does a person actually fall this far ?
        I mean I remember when I was doin bad stuff, but on my worst day, I could never imagine pulling the shit you have.
        Take your husband to court for a divorce and have him arrested.. I heard the real story Sharon.. Lie all you like
        You are a straight up,spiteful,vengeful,nasty, CUNT

        liarsexposed
         
         :beat:  :beat: See farty you have been caught as a molester and liar again, Whats the Happy Meal thing a lure you use on young girls you bag of shit. Tell  your  Police Chief  friend of yours about that. but he already  knows your rap sheet and reporting schedule. Do you still have to register with the local police or is that over now we all know about that too Farty. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: You owe the entire world an apology for your act's against humanity and kids, you sack of shit. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 24, 2010, 08:07:26 PM
        Sharon she can enlighten all of you about Farty stalking her and her family all these years
         
        LOL Good god Cry me a River
        Now thats truly funny... thats twice I have had to compliment you for a sense of humor
        Maybe your not all that bad
        Mahahahahahahahahahahaha
        the big bad ART... lol
        Child molestor huh ? See kids that kind of thing can get a person(s) sued or worse. Thats not very nice to make an unfounded accusation. Kinda a slippery slope for you. But I say "Caution to the wind". Create your own destiny.
        You choose the road we travel. I'll just follow.
        Just came in for dinner and you should try your best to get outside today
        Its very nice out
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 24, 2010, 08:23:49 PM
        :rocker:  You said you were boating tonight Farty,  do have a lap top on the chair boat.???? lol  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  You got caught again lying Farty.  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: And if you did how would you find time bother people while your chair boating ?? You got caught lying, again. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies


        Sharon she can enlighten all of you about Farty stalking her and her family all these years

        LOL Good god Cry me a River
        Now thats truly funny... thats twice I have had to compliment you for a sense of humor
        Maybe your not all that bad
        Mahahahahahahahahahahaha
        the big bad ART... lol
        Child molestor huh ? See kids that kind of thing can get a person(s) sued or worse. Thats not very nice to make an unfounded accusation. Kinda a slippery slope for you. But I say "Caution to the wind". Create your own destiny.
        You choose the road we travel. I'll just follow.
        Just came in for dinner and you should try your best to get outside today
        Its very nice out
         :beat:  :beat:  see Farty there your talking about taking people to court. remember the last time, they told you to go to hell  :roflmao:    :roflmao: You have posted numbers of physical threats on this site today and they have all been recorded.So go for it tuff guy. That why that Babbittz hasn't come down to see you and, hand you your ass, you will file a lawsuit against him  him or call the cop's you pussy. Why call people out like your so bad and call the police on them.??? You are very fucked up Farty. :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  But you do have to answer for you guilt ,, ether to the site or the police you like to bring up so much, Why dont you get the ball rolling and we will wait for them to come, and then we will talk with them and they will take you away. wana bet farty. your whole life here at Fornits has been copied, So go Do It Punk .!!!  You scared !!  you lit the fire now dance bitch. Show the site Big Bad Farty the Renter Counter Boy. I bet you make all of 25-30k a year, high roller. :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  Sharon probably spends that at the boat ever six months when she is bored. I hard being honest Farty, isn't it ?? Help 911 Help they are teasing me back help I am the Great Farty  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on June 24, 2010, 08:45:50 PM
        :cheers: I got some calls at work today about " fart '  getting his ass handed to him again, great  job Jeff and Paul and Aliciakeys and all the other I cant believe Sharon wasn't here to watch. We saw the  Elan Reporter and their  staff get him a couple of weeks ago. Fart is a very sick person, that's why i don't waist my time on trash like him.:roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 25, 2010, 07:06:50 AM
        You just keep tellin yourself that stuff Marky (Cumbubbler)
        thats why you were selling off all your posessions a few months back. I understand it to be 3 houses and you lost one to the bank because you DONT have a job, and sit here all day playing troll. Its a great game, but  I dont think it pays very well
        You 2 couldnt be honest to save your lives.
        Now Sharon spends 30k at the boat ? LOL
        Keep em comin... Its good to laugh 1st thing in the morning.. I love it
        she's is as free of 30k as a cow is, from Horseshit.
        I do alot better than 30k at the yard,alot. Just the other day I put a 5500.00 check in the bank from my business as well. I am far from rich. But I am comfortable,and the best part of it yet... I dont have to lie about it
        The truth will set you free girls
        I guess to say "try not to shit yourself today" would be redundant
        why dont you just admit you stole my personal info and posted it on the net. which is what started this.
        I know the honest approach is not favored here. But just try it once.. take it slow so you dont have a stroke or something
         :agree:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 25, 2010, 07:30:00 AM
        hand you your ass, you will suit him or call the cop's
        Sharon... please try to find the spellcheck .... Its ok with me if you want to be ignorant white trailer trash
        But to show off your lack of education..every damn day
        stay in school .. maybe one day you can be a medical transcriber.. But I think you gotta learn how to spell
        Especially when pretending to be someone else
        Marky did you a great dis-service... Teaching you how to be a troll ::puke::  ::poke::
         :rofl:  :rofl:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on June 25, 2010, 08:16:26 AM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        hand you your ass, you will suit him or call the cop's
        Sharon... please try to find the spellcheck .... Its ok with me if you want to be ignorant white trailer trash
        But to show off your lack of education..every damn day :

        How exactly do you "suit" someone? Do you dress them up in nice clothes or what? :rofl:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 25, 2010, 08:55:10 AM
        Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        hand you your ass, you will suit him or call the cop's
        Sharon... please try to find the spellcheck .... Its ok with me if you want to be ignorant white trailer trash
        But to show off your lack of education..every damn day :

        How exactly do you "suit" someone? Do you dress them up in nice clothes or what? :rofl:

        I hope Sharon is taking me shopping for new clothes
        She is SO fun to be around :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:
         :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:
         :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  Are ya gonna cry all day too,while pretending to be others ?  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 25, 2010, 08:58:25 AM
        I hard being honest Farty, isn't it  
        :dose:  :dose:  :dose:
         :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
         :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 25, 2010, 12:19:41 PM
        :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: There was no way possible I was even close to a computer yesterday. As a matter of fact Mark, Ginger, and Matt know where I was. I was doing something majorily important for an Elan Survivor in crisis. I do not feel it is appropriate to share the whole situation, however I do believe I have a solid alibi in my where a bouts, therefore Farty leave me out of your side show, I was over 120 miles away from home, per their request. Double check for all I care. I think you are simply gross and out of your mind. And I believe you put this Elan Survivor in the crisis they were in to begin with anyways, and so do many. You fuck with people way to much. You make me totally sick, the thought of you makes me vomit.


        You knew perfectly well how I had to survive on my own at 16 when my mother kicked me out days before my 17th birthday. You think I am ashamed of surviving??? I am lucky I made it through life with the hell you and other men exploited in me. Glad you where oh so there when my ex pushed me down stairs pregnant because your buddy michelle lied and said i cheated on him...which I did not...and you question why I had him arrested???? You were not around, you know nothing but being lead by your cock in Michelles direction as usual. She is just as vandictive and Evil as you are..perfect fit you two are. I am blessed to finally be away from people like either of you.

        You spew lies daily as a little game. Fact is you are fully crazy and everyone knows it.

        I was 17, you were an adult, thus makes you a child molester.  Child having sex with adult= child molestation. I think peole here fully can see your age and my age and do the math themselves. You now are going to blame the teenager how richly insane. Take some responsibilty there. a girl 17 a man in their mid twenties equals what???? plus the man had a wife and two children but yet found time to rent motel rooms and bring recreational drugs, and occationally buy the teenager food becase the teenager had no money no adult to care for her what so ever. I had no place to fully live, how would anyone else survive? I did what I had to and frankily I am not ashamed of any of it.

        You think poeple here will look down on me for being a messed up kid. For surviving, hell no they wont, they will say omfg that kid was left alone to fend for herself and fuck she made it...she had 8 lovely children, single mom going to college, owns her own stuff now and still young enough to make some more good changes. I am only 40...I got tons of time to do stuff with my life. My life was filled with violance, filled with all the adults around me letting me down constantly, now as the adult I stand soley on two feet without the aid of anyone. I have more strength than the adverage and you know what I am fucking happy I went through hardship because I am one hell of a woman now. I love freely, I still manage to give uncnditional love to my loved ones, I am there for people in need, and I am not some greedy bastard. I love who I am and I love what I am, so you trying to make me sound like some dirty disgusting cunt is really your guilt..You know what you did, hell you once apologized directly to me for doing it, so sit the fuck down fat boy no one is even listening to you. What they are doing is mailing me daily and congradulating me on my efforts to stand up to your sorry ass. You have taken evil man to a whole new level.

        I do not got an ounce of any shame in me, I was a child that had to do what she had to do to live. To get the basic needs of life I made sure I lived. Things we provide our children now...a bed, food, clothes...I took care of myself. The thing is ARTY I forgave you a long time ago. I do not waste my time on you. Thing is I was once so happy to find you and see you were somewhat doing well, but then I saw how you speak to people and treat others and was seriously put off by that. I told myself this is not a man I will ever deal with again. Now you majorily attack me because I want nothing to do with you. Thing is you had your chance to redeem yourself in my eyes and seriously failed. I could of been a wonderful friend to you, but you chose to do this so called dance. Ok bitch boy bring it then...I am far from scared of you.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 25, 2010, 12:20:40 PM
        LOVE LIFE LIVE LIFE
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 25, 2010, 12:22:59 PM
        Oh no!! Has someone actually found fArt's child molestation charge somewhere on the internet and aired it here? There are some things about certain people that are just too disturbing to even bring up.
        This is one of them. Even cons hate child molestors! Did I really read that right? (I was young and stupid and made a mistake)? Are we to feel pity for a child molestor because he was young and made a mistake? Oh I'm sorry, I was young and wanted to touch your wee wee and stick it in my mouth, I can't get a date because I am fat and ugly so your little penis will surfice.
        Oh lets not open up that ugly can of worms!

        Out right disturbing!
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on June 25, 2010, 12:31:01 PM
        Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
        :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: There was no way possible I was even close to a computer yesterday. As a matter of fact Mark, Ginger, and Matt know where I was. I was doing something majorily important for an Elan Survivor in crisis. I do not feel it is appropriate to share the whole situation, however I do believe I have a solid alibi in my where a bouts, therefore Farty leave me out of your side show, I was over 120 miles away from home, per their request. Double check for all I care. I think you are simply gross and out of your mind. And I believe you put this Elan Survivor in the crisis they were in to begin with anyways, and so do many. You fuck with people way to much. You make me totally sick, the thought of you makes me vomit.


        You knew perfectly well how I had to survive on my own at 16 when my mother kicked me out days before my 17th birthday. You think I am ashamed of surviving??? I am lucky I made it through life with the hell you and other men exploited in me. Glad you where oh so there when my ex pushed me down stairs pregnant because your buddy michelle lied and said i cheated on him...which I did not...and you question why I had him arrested???? You were not around, you know nothing but being lead by your cock in Michelles direction as usual. She is just as vandictive and Evil as you are..perfect fit you two are. I am blessed to finally be away from people like either of you.

        You spew lies daily as a little game. Fact is you are fully crazy and everyone knows it.

        I was 17, you were an adult, thus makes you a child molester.  Child having sex with adult= child molestation. I think peole here fully can see your age and my age and do the math themselves. You now are going to blame the teenager how richly insane. Take some responsibilty there. a girl 17 a man in their mid twenties equals what???? plus the man had a wife and two children but yet found time to rent motel rooms and bring recreational drugs, and occationally buy the teenager food becase the teenager had no money no adult to care for her what so ever. I had no place to fully live, how would anyone else survive? I did what I had to and frankily I am not ashamed of any of it.

        You think poeple here will look down on me for being a messed up kid. For surviving, hell no they wont, they will say omfg that kid was left alone to fend for herself and fuck she made it...she had 8 lovely children, single mom going to college, owns her own stuff now and still young enough to make some more good changes. I am only 40...I got tons of time to do stuff with my life. My life was filled with violance, filled with all the adults around me letting me down constantly, now as the adult I stand soley on two feet without the aid of anyone. I have more strength than the adverage and you know what I am fucking happy I went through hardship because I am one hell of a woman now. I love freely, I still manage to give uncnditional love to my loved ones, I am there for people in need, and I am not some greedy bastard. I love who I am and I love what I am, so you trying to make me sound like some dirty disgusting cunt is really your guilt..You know what you did, hell you once apologized directly to me for doing it, so sit the fuck down fat boy no one is even listening to you. What they are doing is mailing me daily and congradulating me on my efforts to stand up to your sorry ass. You have taken evil man to a whole new level.

        I do not got an ounce of any shame in me, I was a child that had to do what she had to do to live. To get the basic needs of life I made sure I lived. Things we provide our children now...a bed, food, clothes...I took care of myself. The thing is ARTY I forgave you a long time ago. I do not waste my time on you. Thing is I was once so happy to find you and see you were somewhat doing well, but then I saw how you speak to people and treat others and was seriously put off by that. I told myself this is not a man I will ever deal with again. Now you majorily attack me because I want nothing to do with you. Thing is you had your chance to redeem yourself in my eyes and seriously failed. I could of been a wonderful friend to you, but you chose to do this so called dance. Ok bitch boy bring it then...I am far from scared of you.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:


         :jawdrop:

        Wow......the pieces of the puzzle are starting to fall into place.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 25, 2010, 12:32:49 PM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        Oh no!! Has someone actually found fArt's child molestation charge somewhere on the internet and aired it here? There are some things about certain people that are just too disturbing to even bring up.
        This is one of them. Even cons hate child molestors! Did I really read that right? (I was young and stupid and made a mistake)? Are we to feel pity for a child molestor because he was young and made a mistake? Oh I'm sorry, I was young and wanted to touch your wee wee and stick it in my mouth, I can't get a date because I am fat and ugly so your little penis will surfice.
        Oh lets not open up that ugly can of worms!

        Out right disturbing!
        I think the can needs to be open..I was one of his victims he wishes to shut up...Hell no way we should go down this alley to fully give the public the full story why he is trying desperately to shut me up. I was a teenager and ARTY FARTY exploited that fully. His spewing has nothing to do with Elan, it has to do with me and his fear the world will know what he did while he was married with two kids. I was a homeless teenage girl whom that adult could of directed to a facility to protect me, but instead chose to buy motel rooms and bring drugs to intice me. He exploited my situation to get his dick sucked and his rocks off. I do not feel ashamed in surviving lets get that straight. I am ashamed to know a full grown man would exploit a young girl as he did. Once people realize this little dance as he calls it has nothing to do with Elan, it has to do with him trying to hide his criminal behavior maybe then he may just knock it off once lairexposed is exposed for the liar he is.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 25, 2010, 12:35:37 PM
        I told everyone there was more to Farty's little tantrum long ago...He wants to hide what he did to me.......let's all do the math    I was born 1970 when was ARTY born I believe 1963??? may be off a few years but it clear is a known fact he was married with two children when I was bobbing his nob, so not only was he a cheat on his wife, but also a child molestor. Does anyone know for fact the year ARTY was born..please post it so the fornits world can fully see....I am pretty sure it was 1963...could be off a year.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 25, 2010, 01:19:36 PM
        I was born in 1963 Sharon
        There are no charges or even an accusation of the molestations you are making up. Its only a suggestion Marky,but think hard about how,and where you want to go with this.
        Thats all I will say about it. Create your own destiny
        Sharon.. you got  nothing but rhetoric..bullshit..and personal insanity. Yup I gave you the high hard one. Then I left. Its 25 years ago. Is the pain still too much to bear ? See a shrink. No more explanations .. no more excuses
        You only want to find(and use) whatever you can (EVEN IF ITS A LIE) as a weapon
        Well lady (loose terminology) you have failed again. You must be used to failure. Thus far thats all you have shown every one.
        Go hug your children.. You'll feel better
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on June 25, 2010, 01:27:20 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        I was born in 1963 Sharon
        There are no charges or even an accusation of the molestations you are making up. Its only a suggestion Marky,but think hard about how,and where you want to go with this.
        Thats all I will say about it. Create your own destiny
        Sharon.. you got  nothing but rhetoric..bullshit..and personal insanity. Yup I gave you the high hard one. Then I left. Its 25 years ago. Is the pain still too much to bear ? See a shrink. No more explanations .. no more excuses
        You only want to find(and use) whatever you can (EVEN IF ITS A LIE) as a weapon
        Well lady (loose terminology) you have failed again. You must be used to failure. Thus far thats all you have shown every one.
        Go hug your children.. You'll feel better


        So, you were 24/25 and sleeping with a 'troubled' 17 year old, while providing illicit drugs to her and you don't see anything wrong with that?

         :eek:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 25, 2010, 01:32:52 PM
        Come on FARTY try to cove this up and lie some more..You already admitted to fucking me and how old I was. So sweetie let's do this, you claim you can sue me, bet the judge would love to hear how you fed me drugs bought motel rooms when I was still a minor. Ok bitch boy keep it up with me you are just helping me in the end..You are like a rapist that comes back to haunt the victim..Everyone sees what you are doing. You are sick very sick man. You Cheated on your family, hurt a young girl now all the world knows it. Thing is you were dumb enough to make sure I knew you still loved me. To fucken bad, How could I love a pathetic man like you..Go look in the mirror. You are a nasty human being not worthy of me what so ever. I demand good men in my life, if they are shitty people they are kicked to the curb. You have nothing a woman like me wants..I need a real man not some sick twisted fucker. I have a man now blowing every dime he has on me and makes my life all perfect. He knows how to treat a woman and he fully gets treated like the man he deserves to be treated as. I am damn good to who I am with as long as they remember I am to be fully treated well with tons of respect. My man could do circles around you. The man is independantly wealthy we travel everywhere. He adores my children and makes sure they have every need in life. He is so grateful to be with me and daily shows me how in love he is with me and my children. You think I go without, silly silly silly man. My mans boat makes yours look like a tin cup....lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao You think you are the only person with things..please...you have a home under your girlfriends credit line..a man does not use a woman's anything. Speaking of your girl how is that shitty tattoo...Bet she regrets that. Thing that gets me is you sat back and allowed someone to disfigure her like that. You saw the whole tattoo process. A real man would of said stop and fix the mother fucker now, but not you...you chose to laugh and humilate that poor woman. You are fucken sick.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on June 25, 2010, 01:36:32 PM
        Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
        Come on FARTY try to cove this up and lie some more..You already admitted to fucking me and how old I was. So sweetie let's do this, you claim you can sue me, bet the judge would love to hear how you fed me drugs bought motel rooms when I was still a minor. Ok bitch boy keep it up with me you are just helping me in the end..You are like a rapist that comes back to haunt the victim..Everyone sees what you are doing. You are sick very sick man. You Cheated on your family, hurt a young girl now all the world knows it.


        Oh yeah Art.....how did your wife feel about your dalliance with an underage girl?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on June 25, 2010, 01:50:20 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        I was born in 1963 Sharon
        There are no charges or even an accusation of the molestations you are making up. Its only a suggestion Marky,but think hard about how,and where you want to go with this.
        Thats all I will say about it. Create your own destiny
        Sharon.. you got  nothing but rhetoric..bullshit..and personal insanity. Yup I gave you the high hard one. Then I left. Its 25 years ago. Is the pain still too much to bear ? See a shrink. No more explanations .. no more excuses
        You only want to find(and use) whatever you can (EVEN IF ITS A LIE) as a weapon
        Well lady (loose terminology) you have failed again. You must be used to failure. Thus far thats all you have shown every one.
        Go hug your children.. You'll feel better
        :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  Oh " Fart "  go fuck yourself and your threats. I am going to tell  :waaaa:  I am going to tell. Tell everyone what your going to do big bad Fart. Nothing but run your mouth and instigate trouble as you always have. :beat:  :beat:  Just leave everyone alone, And answer Anne question , don't worry about me . I am not the subject you are. :jawdrop:                                              :cheers:    Post by Anne Bonney » 4 minutes ago  :cheers:

            SharonMcCarthy wrote:Come on FARTY try to cove this up and lie some more..You already admitted to fucking me and how old I was. So sweetie let's do this, you claim you can sue me, bet the judge would love to hear how you fed me drugs bought motel rooms when I was still a minor. Ok bitch boy keep it up with me you are just helping me in the end..You are like a rapist that comes back to haunt the victim..Everyone sees what you are doing. You are sick very sick man. You Cheated on your family, hurt a young girl now all the world knows it.




        Oh yeah Art.....how did your wife feel about your dalliance with an underage girl?
        Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
        Come on FARTY try to cove this up and lie some more..You already admitted to fucking me and how old I was. So sweetie let's do this, you claim you can sue me, bet the judge would love to hear how you fed me drugs bought motel rooms when I was still a minor. Ok bitch boy keep it up with me you are just helping me in the end..You are like a rapist that comes back to haunt the victim..Everyone sees what you are doing. You are sick very sick man. You Cheated on your family, hurt a young girl now all the world knows it.


        Oh yeah Art.....how did your wife feel about your dalliance with an underage girl?
          :beat:  :beat:  Stick to the trouble you have started Fart ,and answer the folks. I am not attacking  you or asking you any questions so stick to the page. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 25, 2010, 01:50:43 PM
        Annie there is only one good word for this man....CREEP...and PUSSY....of course he sees nothing wrong with giving me the so called hard one..That is his opinion of it. I do not remember him being that good at the deed anyways..Of course he will shift the blame on the teenager at the time, and not take responsibility for his actions. Now I think people clearly see the asshole for what he truly is. Like I stated many times, this little thing he has for trashing me has absolutely nothing to do with programs, it is a war to try to stiffle my voice..which he will not do. I am not the little girl anymore Farty get use to it and you sit the hell down and STFU once and for all. If you do not every single day I will publically post my complete experience with you. You already admitted to it all so it is not a lie as you claim, it is reality and factual. I got proof and you know it. Do I need to bring up the abortion???? No you do not want me to go there do you. You are sick and tisted now the world will know it. I was 17 years old when I dated Arthur Warshawskii and he and I went to motel room as his poor wife stayed home with two toddlers. He and I did recreational drugs together and we fucked for hours. Ok now deny it buddy. I was homeless and had no job and no money, Arty being the adult did not guide me to proper adults who could of aided my situation instead he used me as a fuck buddy and a party buddy. Yes, I admit I slobbed his nob...a disgusting factor I shall never live down. The mere thought makes me want to vomit, but yet I shall forgive myself because I am now older and wiser and I see how this adult exploited me. He took advantage of me highly and then years later is now my nightmare. Pretty sad this man had to fuck me while I was wasted. I was a drug addict without any form of help. Thank God I finally got off the shit which he once fed me. I had low self esteeem obviously, but now I am a strong independant woman. I sure do love myself way to much now. That man along with other men in my life almost ruined me, thank God I survived. ARTY stole my innocent years and he in my mind owes me largely for the injustice he bestowed upon me. And what others have to remember is he was also at the time done with working at Elan, he already did work as a staff member...this man once counseled teenagers. The whole time probably plotting how to fuck them all. This ex staffer was in charge of young girls, we can clearly see in my case how he then exploited teenagers once he left Maine. Congradulations ARTY you are truly man of the year. Your such a nice man...bahahahahaha you brought out your trueness finally. The truth set you free ARTY???? It sure made me feel better thank you.

        And stop being anal no one care if I spell shit right or wrong...they fully agree your a dick and a bad man.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 25, 2010, 01:53:01 PM
        Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
        Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
        Come on FARTY try to cove this up and lie some more..You already admitted to fucking me and how old I was. So sweetie let's do this, you claim you can sue me, bet the judge would love to hear how you fed me drugs bought motel rooms when I was still a minor. Ok bitch boy keep it up with me you are just helping me in the end..You are like a rapist that comes back to haunt the victim..Everyone sees what you are doing. You are sick very sick man. You Cheated on your family, hurt a young girl now all the world knows it.


        Oh yeah Art.....how did your wife feel about your dalliance with an underage girl?
        To my knowledge the poor woman never knew. I once heard she then found out. I feel so badly for doing anything to hurt that poor lady. I also heard their marriage was much to be desired. Everyone surely can find her on facebook now to ask her if they wish. I think I need to speak to her.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 25, 2010, 01:56:44 PM
        Arty does you kids know you were between my legs all the nights you were gone???? Should I tell them the truth, you did say after all I needed to come clean, maybe I need to bare my soul to them and beg their forgiveness. You told me to be truthful shall I or do you wish to do it first. After all the truth will in fact set you free. Oh that is right they know half of what a prick you were to their momma, bet this will really set them off. Is this why you try to stiffle me??? Yes ARTY we all will make sure the truth comes fully out now and it will sweetie set you free. Bet they will spit in your face.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on June 25, 2010, 01:58:35 PM
        Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"

        Oh yeah Art.....how did your wife feel about your dalliance with an underage girl?
        To my knowledge the poor woman never knew. I once heard she then found out. I feel so badly for doing anything to hurt that poor lady. I also heard their marriage was much to be desired. Everyone surely can find her on facebook now to ask her if they wish. I think I need to speak to her.[/quote]


        I'm sure she'd be upset at being cheated on, but probably even more upset that her husband took advantage of a young girl.  It would freak me the fuck out to find out that I married a man that did something like that, and apparently has no problem with it.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 25, 2010, 01:58:59 PM
        You are right FARTY I need to go tell them the truth, bet they will forgive me for I was a child. What did you happen to accomplish in this little war you created??? Now yes the truth must come out and it will set free all the evil shit you did. Yes, you wanted this now it shall happen fully. I will go to them and explain how sorry I am for allowing a grown ass man to fuck me.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 25, 2010, 02:00:24 PM
        :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  Hey !!! Farty     :waaaa:    answer " Anne "  she is talking to you. Palms sweating yet ??  :bs:  :bs:  ::fullofshit::  :ftard:  You should go away Farty everyone is looking and it's at you leave us alone as people have asked you. And quit calling me Sharon. I am someone else that doesn't like your nastiness  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on June 25, 2010, 02:00:48 PM
        Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
        Arty does you kids know you were between my legs all the nights you were gone???? Should I tell them the truth, you did say after all I needed to come clean, maybe I need to bare my soul to them and beg their forgiveness. You told me to be truthful shall I or do you wish to do it first. After all the truth will in fact set you free. Oh that is right they know half of what a prick you were to their momma, bet this will really set them off. Is this why you try to stiffle me??? Yes ARTY we all will make sure the truth comes fully out now and it will sweetie set you free. Bet they will spit in your face.

        Hey, hey now.....leave any kids out of it.  They can't help that their father's a creep.

        My   (http://http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:uLFWVskWwprkaM:http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/attachments/anything-about-alfa-romeos-alfabb-com/106832d1214232891-2008-autodelta-159-j4-2-2-c-detail-forum_2f455681_two_cents_small.jpg)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 25, 2010, 02:10:35 PM
        Anne
        You fall for it every time. You may be a troll,lbut deep down inside I believe you and anyone else who reads Sharon and Mark's Vicious attacks are smart enough to know better. They are whiniing because they got caught. They conspired to lie,cheat and steal and got busted. 8 websites taken down over this same tantrum including this one.
        Nothing they want to admit,or own responsibility for. But I think we have all seen Marky and Sharon pretending to be others and causing chaos and bullshit since January of this year. I made it very clear that if they STFU,I go away. But they cant get that badly needed attention if that happens.
        So buy into the lies,dont buy into it.. Doesnt really matter.
        My wife andI have been divorced for many many years and my children adore me. As do my grandchildren.
        This is nothing more than a smokescreen to discredit me,and cover up their responsiilty for their own actions.
        This is what un-employed,vicious,small people do when caught. Its nothing new. They've been doing it for 6 mos. Its well documented with 2 seperate police reports based on the 11 threats made online and elsewhere. So unless you've been on Mars for the last 6 mos,you already know this. Sharon already had this conversation with my attorney,as did Ginger. If Sharon or Marky hasnt figured out how serious these threats are,and how accountable they COULD be. Then I say "Let them construct their own destiny"
        Ask them why ?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Ursus on June 25, 2010, 02:12:56 PM
        A bit of a non sequitur:

        Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
        Speaking of your girl how is that shitty tattoo...Bet she regrets that. Thing that gets me is you sat back and allowed someone to disfigure her like that. You saw the whole tattoo process. A real man would of said stop and fix the mother fucker now, but not you...you chose to laugh and humilate that poor woman. You are fucken sick.
        What was the tattoo? I think that this has been posted about before, but I can't seem to find it...
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 25, 2010, 02:20:37 PM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        Oh no!! Has someone actually found fArt's child molestation charge somewhere on the internet and aired it here? There are some things about certain people that are just too disturbing to even bring up.
        This is one of them. Even cons hate child molestors! Did I really read that right? (I was young and stupid and made a mistake)? Are we to feel pity for a child molestor because he was young and made a mistake? Oh I'm sorry, I was young and wanted to touch your wee wee and stick it in my mouth, I can't get a date because I am fat and ugly so your little penis will surfice.
        Oh lets not open up that ugly can of worms!

        Out right disturbing!
        :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:  I knew the " Elan Reporter" and their  staff would show up. :rasta:  :rasta:  :jamin:  :jamin:  Time to run Farty ,everyone is coming , the future and the past. Do wall's feel close again ?? I guess you should have got out when you could.   ::unhappy::   Are going to have the whole site membership arrested and taken to court,??  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  I bet the big bad Farty can do it.  :beat:  :beat:  Just keep in mind all of your threats you make every day to people, :beat:   Your back yard is so full you wouldn't  dare blow any whistles, You have instigated every problem here " Mr. Truth " and now your running crazy. :waaaa:  ::fullofshit::  ::OMG::   You still talk about past problems with others and cause new ones for yourself.  :lala:   The past is the past and you lost your last battle, why come back to the place you shit in and cause nothing but trouble from the re-opening  of the site ??? Can you answer that ??? Honestly ?? I bet it's everyone  else' s fault. :karma:  :karma:  :karma:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on June 25, 2010, 02:21:05 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Anne
        You fall for it every time. You may be a troll,lbut deep down inside I believe you and anyone else who reads Sharon and Mark's Vicious attacks are smart enough to know better. They are whiniing because they got caught.

        You keep saying that.  Your screenname implies that they're lying, but you never do say what about?



        Quote
        So buy into the lies,dont buy into it.. Doesnt really matter.

        Well, I was going by your own admission.  So, do you not find anything wrong with a 24/25 year old having sex with an underage girl while providing her with illicit drugs?


        Quote
        This is nothing more than a smokescreen to discredit me,and cover up their responsiilty for their own actions.

        What actions?

        Quote
        This is what un-employed,vicious,small people do when caught. Its nothing new. They've been doing it for 6 mos. Its well documented with 2 seperate police reports based on the 11 threats made online and elsewhere.


        Anyone can file a police report.  Apparently, they found nothing nefarious or someone would've been charged, no?

        Quote
        So unless you've been on Mars for the last 6 mos,you already know this. Sharon already had this conversation with my attorney,as did Ginger. If Sharon or Marky hasnt figured out how serious these threats are,and how accountable they COULD be. Then I say "Let them construct their own destiny"
        Ask them why ?


        Yeah, yeah.....you've been threatening THAT particular line of shit for years now.  Nothing ever comes of it.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: aliciakeys on June 25, 2010, 02:24:49 PM
        Hi Art your favorite persons is back!  

         :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin: :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on June 25, 2010, 02:27:34 PM
        Well Anne
        I did take legal action.  Several times. You must have been sleeping and missed it
        Thats all the time I have today
        Someone has to make your Link card work !
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: aliciakeys on June 25, 2010, 02:31:13 PM
        Art did your lawyer call Angela Smith from HEAL when you were mentioned in a survivor statement or did you call and whine yourself?  Inquiring minds want to know.


         :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin: :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on June 25, 2010, 02:33:40 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Well Anne
        I did take legal action.  Several times. You must have been sleeping and missed it
        Thats all the time I have today
        Someone has to make your Link card work !


        Ok...running away from the questions again.


        So, do you not find anything wrong with a 24/25 year old having sex with an underage girl while providing her with illicit drugs?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 25, 2010, 02:34:06 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Anne
        You fall for it every time. You may be a troll,lbut deep down inside I believe you and anyone else who reads Sharon and Mark's Vicious attacks are smart enough to know better. They are whiniing because they got caught. They conspired to lie,cheat and steal and got busted. 8 websites taken down over this same tantrum including this one.
        Nothing they want to admit,or own responsibility for. But I think we have all seen Marky and Sharon pretending to be others and causing chaos and bullshit since January of this year. I made it very clear that if they STFU,I go away. But they cant get that badly needed attention if that happens.
        So buy into the lies,dont buy into it.. Doesnt really matter.
        My wife andI have been divorced for many many years and my children adore me. As do my grandchildren.
        This is nothing more than a smokescreen to discredit me,and cover up their responsiilty for their own actions.
        This is what un-employed,vicious,small people do when caught. Its nothing new. They've been doing it for 6 mos. Its well documented with 2 seperate police reports based on the 11 threats made online and elsewhere. So unless you've been on Mars for the last 6 mos,you already know this. Sharon already had this conversation with my attorney,as did Ginger. If Sharon or Marky hasnt figured out how serious these threats are,and how accountable they COULD be. Then I say "Let them construct their own destiny"
        Ask them why ?
                                                                                                                                                                                      :beat:  :beat:  Everyone was waiting for the double talk and the it's everyone else not me, but lets get to  the truth  ok  everyone loves Farty ,  :peace:  :peace:  Now answer Anne question and I think  Ursus is on line 3 for you :on phone:                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Post by Ursus » 11 minutes ago
        A bit of a non sequitur:

            SharonMcCarthy wrote:Speaking of your girl how is that shitty tattoo...Bet she regrets that. Thing that gets me is you sat back and allowed someone to disfigure her like that. You saw the whole tattoo process. A real man would of said stop and fix the mother fucker now, but not you...you chose to laugh and humilate that poor woman. You are fucken sick.


        What was the tattoo? I think that this has been posted about before, but I can't seem to find it...
        A bit of a non sequitur:

        Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
        Speaking of your girl how is that shitty tattoo...Bet she regrets that. Thing that gets me is you sat back and allowed someone to disfigure her like that. You saw the whole tattoo process. A real man would of said stop and fix the mother fucker now, but not you...you chose to laugh and humilate that poor woman. You are fucken sick.
        What was the tattoo? I think that this has been posted about before, but I can't seem to find it...
                                                                                                                                                                                             :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  Welcome to  Farty's General Meeting the ring has been set and prepared. Please make yourself at home. No bottles in the front row please. :rasta:  :jamin:  :rocker:  
        Post by aliciakeys » 5 minutes ago
        Hi Art your favorite persons is back!
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 25, 2010, 02:37:07 PM
        You are right Annie however truth be told I believe his one daughter speaks to my Sarah so idk what will be discussed. I am not that heartless to go to, two poor girls now and dig up bones that should of been laid to rest long ago. UNlike Farty I got some class. I put children first. From what I understand they are not much in his life to begin with. Gee I wonder why??
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 25, 2010, 02:46:41 PM
        Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Anne
        You fall for it every time. You may be a troll,lbut deep down inside I believe you and anyone else who reads Sharon and Mark's Vicious attacks are smart enough to know better. They are whiniing because they got caught.

        You keep saying that.  Your screenname implies that they're lying, but you never do say what about?



        Quote
        So buy into the lies,dont buy into it.. Doesnt really matter.

        Well, I was going by your own admission.  So, do you not find anything wrong with a 24/25 year old having sex with an underage girl while providing her with illicit drugs?


        Quote
        This is nothing more than a smokescreen to discredit me,and cover up their responsiilty for their own actions.

        What actions?

        Quote
        This is what un-employed,vicious,small people do when caught. Its nothing new. They've been doing it for 6 mos. Its well documented with 2 seperate police reports based on the 11 threats made online and elsewhere.


        Anyone can file a police report.  Apparently, they found nothing nefarious or someone would've been charged, no?

        Quote
        So unless you've been on Mars for the last 6 mos,you already know this. Sharon already had this conversation with my attorney,as did Ginger. If Sharon or Marky hasnt figured out how serious these threats are,and how accountable they COULD be. Then I say "Let them construct their own destiny"
        Ask them why ?


        Yeah, yeah.....you've been threatening THAT particular line of shit for years now.  Nothing ever comes of it.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  Yes Anne he doesn't seem to understand the question, and is implying your confused. I see you asking a very direct almost  yes or no question and he cant or wont answer it. how are you confused ?? Perhaps his lack of answer is the answer. It seems like over all the years he has been around here he has never been wrong or rude to anyone,?? So why would you question him now ?? :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  Are you serious  Farty telling a lie or avoiding an answer leading to a truth ," Anne " you know better then that  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:   Farty answer  "Anne" question  people are starting to back up here to see your G.M. :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :rofl:  :jamin:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 25, 2010, 02:47:16 PM
        Quote from: "Ursus"
        A bit of a non sequitur:

        Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
        Speaking of your girl how is that shitty tattoo...Bet she regrets that. Thing that gets me is you sat back and allowed someone to disfigure her like that. You saw the whole tattoo process. A real man would of said stop and fix the mother fucker now, but not you...you chose to laugh and humilate that poor woman. You are fucken sick.
        What was the tattoo? I think that this has been posted about before, but I can't seem to find it...
        It was suppose to be an 8 ball however looks like a creepy eyeball, he sat there watch our mutal friend ray totally fuck up this tattoo. He sat there let this poor lady get disfigured for life. Then had nerve to laugh at her and make her feel stupid. When he ws the one to recommend Ray to begin with.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on June 25, 2010, 02:48:51 PM
        Quote from: "Jeffery"
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  Yes Anne he doesn't seem to understand the question, and is implying your confused. I see you asking a very direct almost  yes or no question and he cant or wont answer it. how are you confused ?? Perhaps his lack of answer is the answer. It seems like over all the years he has been around here he has never been wrong or rude to anyone,?? So why would you question him now ?? :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  Are you serious  Farty telling a lie or avoiding an answer leading to a truth ," Anne " you know better then that  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:   Farty answer  "Anne" question  people are starting to back up here to see your G.M. :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :rofl:  :jamin:


        Oh, I fully expect him to ignore the questions....that's an established pattern of his.... but you're right.  His refusal speaks volumes.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 25, 2010, 02:52:00 PM
        :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :flip:  :timeout:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :moon:  :peace:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :seg: Party for Farty  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 25, 2010, 03:00:52 PM
        Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
        Quote from: "Jeffery"
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  Yes Anne he doesn't seem to understand the question, and is implying your confused. I see you asking a very direct almost  yes or no question and he cant or wont answer it. how are you confused ?? Perhaps his lack of answer is the answer. It seems like over all the years he has been around here he has never been wrong or rude to anyone,?? So why would you question him now ?? :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  Are you serious  Farty telling a lie or avoiding an answer leading to a truth ," Anne " you know better then that  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:   Farty answer  "Anne" question  people are starting to back up here to see your G.M. :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :rofl:  :jamin:


        Oh, I fully expect him to ignore the questions....that's an established pattern of his.... but you're right.  His refusal speaks volumes.
        :cheers:  :cheers:  The usual gest you or I would have, Farty takes to a twisted level like,The Infamous Danny B. but with a more sadistic twist. He really knows this Sharon and here family were Danny ??  know one yet seems to remember him even being there. From any of the years, so who know,s I think he's  some disciple of Pan Face Marty. This Farty is on his own island literally. Everything is someone else fault. People wont even call him by his name because he threatens courts or police. This Nut is Nut's :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 25, 2010, 03:07:34 PM
        Quote from: "aliciakeys"
        Hi Art your favorite persons is back!  

         :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin: :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:
        awww I thought I was his favorite..lmao lmoa lmao
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: aliciakeys on June 25, 2010, 03:09:06 PM
        liarsexposed = Art Warshawsky  ::unhappy::

         :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin: :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: aliciakeys on June 25, 2010, 03:10:59 PM
        Art did you get fired from ELAN or did you quit?  

         :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin: :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Paul St. John on June 25, 2010, 03:17:34 PM
        I remember about 8 years ago, Art had called, or more then likely claimed, to have called the FBI on Mark Babitz.

        He said that they started a file on him.

        Art, it is pretty weak, to get yourself into battles, and then call the authorities, when you feel that you have bitten off more then you can chew.

        Oh, those were the good ol' days.  I remember that was right about the same time Can MolestMe.. I mean .. Ken Zaretsky, was claiming to have called the FBI on me.

        When ya got nothing else... Convince the authorities that you are a victim.  Is that how it works?

        Paul

        PS If you did have anything going for yourself, I think you tossed it out of the window with your prose about drowning Sharon.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 25, 2010, 03:18:30 PM
        Arty the question is were or weren't ypou between my thighs in 1986 and 1987????? were you there??? I remember it sadly but were you there is what others wish to know. You are not denying it so therefore we all know it is true. UNfortunate for you, you shall never be there again thank God. The whats and if's do not apply to this question. Just straight up were you between my beautiful thighs in 1986 and 1987?????
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 25, 2010, 03:19:19 PM
        Quote from: "aliciakeys"
        liarsexposed = Art Warshawsky  ::unhappy::

         :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin: :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:
        BEAUTIFULLY AND GRACEFULLY SPOKEN
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Paul St. John on June 25, 2010, 03:21:17 PM
        Sharon, I think that everyone has accepted the validity of your claims..

        Do you really wanna go on about it like that?  

        None of my business.. I'm just sayin...

        Paul
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 25, 2010, 03:24:09 PM
        Quote from: "aliciakeys"
        liarsexposed = Art Warshawsky

         :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin: :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       :cheers:  :cheers:  Oh shit Farty the words out "aliciakeys exposed you. So ha !! that makes 10,230 lie's now don't it ?? They lied they , lied, about what ??   It wasn't you, they were right on, your a genuine " Ass-Hole " and  Abuser  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  Now answer aliciakeys question. did you leave under own doing or did they finally  throw you out for being sicker than Joe.?? Tell the dam truth   :beat:  :beat:                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   Hey Farty !! Paul stopped by to support you  :roflmao:  :roflmao:                                                                                                                                                                              I remember about 8 years ago, Art had called, or more then likely claimed, to have called the FBI on Mark Babitz.

        He said that they started a file on him.

        Art, it is pretty weak, to get yourself into battles, and then call the authorities, when you feel that you have bitten off more then you can chew.

        Oh, those were the good ol' days. I remember that was right about the same time Can MolestMe.. I mean .. Ken Zaretsky, was claiming to have called the FBI on me.

        When ya got nothing else... Convince the authorities that you are a victim. Is that how it works?

        Paul

        PS If you did have anything going for yourself, I think you tossed it out of the window with your prose about drowning Sharon.  Thanks for the post Paul. :cheers:  :cheers:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 25, 2010, 03:38:01 PM
        Call the FBI? C'mon fArt..You would not call the FBI for what transpires here. The FBI would laugh at you because they would not do anything about you getting your feelings hurt.
        Now for your statement of (young and stupid) & (child molestation). I think it went down like this, and I blame the hi yuh yuh yuh indian for it all! After elan you were offered a job there right? You wanted to work there cause there was nothing for you back in IL at the time. So the hi yuh yuh yuh Indian took you under his buffalo hyde and trained you. He taught you to be a nasty, vindictive prick, and how to mind fuck the teens by taking away privs and/or shooting them down in hopes they would react and wind up in a corner, only to get out by going through the ring so the hi yuh yuh indian could place bets. Then at some point, the hi yuh yuh indian decided it was time for phase 2 of your training and wanted you to molest a corner person while she, or he, was in restraints. Now I know you didn't work there for very long, and you despise elan and it's henchmen (which is all good in my book). And you also would love to see them prosecuted for their crimes against minors, but I think they maybe when Marty was about to show you phase 2 of your training and brought up the part about molesting teens you decided to quit at that time, am I right? You were not as sick as the hi yuh yuh indian and had no interest in sticking your tounge in some poor teens stinker, and around their genitalias. That was not how you were brought up and raised and you had a major falling out with Marty at that time. Now I can't speak for Ken Zaretzky, I heard and read alot of bad things that the little troll has done, and how he visited elan back in 2000 and had an oragy with Marty and Jeffery and walked on the brown side with them for the duration of his visit.
        Getting back to fArt, He may be, or he is a thorn at peoples sides here at this forum. Has been for many years! But he does see eye to eye with us and agrees that the staff at elan are criminals with a license to abuse teens and would love to see them behind bars. Marty Kruglik is a very sick, disturbed individual and would love nothing better then to take some brain washed teen who went through elan, and offer him a job at elan and mold him or her into a shell of himself. One day it will all come out on video and someone will catch this hi yuh yuh indian molesting a teen in restraints and this fucker will go down!
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on June 25, 2010, 03:41:55 PM
        Quote from: "Paul St. John"
        PS If you did have anything going for yourself, I think you tossed it out of the window with your prose about drowning Sharon.


        Huh?  I must have missed that one.  Wow.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 25, 2010, 03:42:35 PM
        Quote from: "aliciakeys"
        I didn't do anything illegal, nor am I Sharon.  The funny thing Art will try and pin this on her.  He'll show this to his attorney, then he'll hear "I'm sorry ART you're SOL."  Mr. Art is the fowl odor between a homeless mans toes, he smells like filth and slithers like a snake.

         :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin: :jamin:
        :cheers:  :cheers:  Farty  thinks only  two people , Mark and Sharon bash him and stand up to his horrible behavior. If he had a lawyer he would have advised Farty to go turn himself in to the Police before they come to get him. Is he so stupid to think these other people  don't keep records on the computer ?? He threatens kill Sharon and want's to fight or blow this Mark guy. And he want's to call Police. This is a very sick something and should just go away like a bad memory. every day he going kill someone or get them arrested or take them to court. And you think this as-hole has any friends.???  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: aliciakeys on June 25, 2010, 03:45:48 PM
        I was going to rewrite that earlier.  Art should drop off the face of the earth and make the earth a happy place.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 25, 2010, 03:46:23 PM
        Awwww did he go away???? And everyone I wish to share something about me. I am a full time college student that was injured permently through domestic violence. I know live on SSD, however before I went on SSD I was a fulltime waitress and Bartender. Times I held two jobs to support my children. I have been married and divorced 4 times, my relationships were violant and not good. I created a lot of issues in my life due to past drug addiction. I over came addiction 13 years ago and since then was able to become a stronger person. I became a better mother a better friend to others. I went through a very selfish stage in life but thankfully it is past. I live simple and love life. I have absolutely nothing to hide. I have eight children and they are all good kids. My goals are simple to live and enjoy my family. I have no big expectations in gaining riches or buying this or that. Materialism is not my thing. Of course I like a nice thing here or there just like everyone else. To me bills paid, clothes for my children, trip for my children, memories developed in them is more important to me.

        I do not impress much with people bragging about having things, if they do it means they unfortunately do not know life's true blessings. When a boat means more to them than a human being, those are the types I stay away from. I am loud and rude at times, but I am hell of a lot of fun to be around. I will get in a mans face if he threatens me, and I swear like a truck driver...God life is good.


        This past year FARTY effected my personal life, he contacted my ex husbands created drama, tried to lie to get me arrested which now the police know he is fully full of shit, (I dated one cop from fox lake briefly after his alleged complaints), we are still close friends I see him often, FARTY thought amusing to bother my old foster mother and ex foster sister, which my foster sister is still into drugs and living a self centered lifestyle so I disowned her completely, He challenged my rape testimony on Heal org. Something he absolutely would have no information about. This man has been a literal burr in my ass for months. Screaming like a little bitch every second he has. FARTY also put me and my children in danger contacting an ex and giving him my information when fact is I have a 6 year restrain order and need for everyone to be safe. Fact he does not know me at all 20 years this man has no knowledge of my life but now claims to be the expert. Fact he approached my adult daughter and spewed nasty bullshit in which my own child had to get involved on this little side show he created here on fornits. Thankfully my child adores me fully and made efforts to stop this lunatic. He is selfish and reckless and the worse human being I think alive. I urge everyone to be cautioned on dealing with this insane monster. Oh I had to change my number several times due to this prick as well. And I also have a huge ass file on him as well. Having a file dont mean shit trust me. No one needs to lie about him since fornits has now more knowledge of this retard for over 8 years way before my time, way before marks time as well. His colors fly free daily and we are reminded daily what a pathetic man he is. Keep going Farty keep going you make yourself fully known. Oh and if anyone has any questions feel free to ask anytime..I will be more than glad to answer. If anyone wants to sue FARTY pants I have his so called lawyer number and email address and his address as well. Let's hold him accountable for his bullshit...the time has come. Oh and his own lawyer thinks he is a prick. His lawyer is his sisters hubby.....forced to appease his delousional ass.


        Now tell me everyone his actions aren't they a bit creepy??? I have never seen a man so driven to actually get offline and destruct someone's real life...put yourself in my shoes. Clearly there is a problem does anyone agree?? I think this man is dangerous and very unstable. Oh bet he claims it is everyone elses fault but himself...He can never be in my life so he managed to force his mental illness into it all the time. Sue me please Farty please I beg you so I can slap a counter suit so big with all this proff to take every dime from you and give to the poor. Maybe give it all to women and children who need it. I would love to counter sue your ass...please bring it I beg it. You fucken liar piece of shit. Go to hell
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Paul St. John on June 25, 2010, 03:48:33 PM
        Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
        Quote from: "Paul St. John"
        PS If you did have anything going for yourself, I think you tossed it out of the window with your prose about drowning Sharon.


        Huh?  I must have missed that one.  Wow.





        "You are a one woman riot Sharon
        Keep searching .. You got nothing on me... Keep spinning.. I love it when you dance for me
        I see you have had a big day of hate and bile
        How suprising. LOOOOLLLLLLL
        Its time to get in the water hun.. I have an anchor with your name on it..
        come on over and will see if you float
        "

        - Art " The Man" Washawski
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: aliciakeys on June 25, 2010, 03:53:19 PM
        liarsexposed = Art Warshawsky  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy:: ::unhappy::

         :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on June 25, 2010, 03:54:48 PM
        Quote from: "[color=#BF0000
        Paul St. John[/color]"]
        Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
        Quote from: "Paul St. John"
        PS If you did have anything going for yourself, I think you tossed it out of the window with your prose about drowning Sharon.


        Huh?  I must have missed that one.  Wow.


        You are a one woman riot Sharon
        Keep searching .. You got nothing on me... Keep spinning.. I love it when you dance for me
        I see you have had a big day of hate and bile
        How suprising. LOOOOLLLLLLL
        Its time to get in the water hun.. I have an anchor with your name on it..
        come on over and will see if you float


        I'm confused......


        Oh, wait.....Paul you'd better change the quoting on that.  It makes it look like you said it to Sharon.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on June 25, 2010, 03:55:21 PM
        Quote from: "aliciakeys"
        liarsexposed = Art Warshawsky  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy:: ::unhappy::

         :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:


        Hasn't this been common knowledge?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: aliciakeys on June 25, 2010, 04:01:59 PM
        What happened to fart anyway?  Did fat ART go buy a gallon of vanilla ice cream to drown his misery in?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 25, 2010, 04:05:13 PM
        Quote from: "aliciakeys"
        What happened to fart anyway?  Did fat ART go buy a gallon of vanilla ice cream to drown his misery in?
        with any luck his boat sunk...if that man dropped dead tomorrow I would be holding a huge ass party. I personally could not hurt the man and would never but one day this asshole will come up on the wrong one and well guess he will get his. The bully will get his in the end.....and I will never shed a tear for him in the end..
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 25, 2010, 04:11:01 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Well Anne
        I did take legal action.  Several times. You must have been sleeping and missed it
        Thats all the time I have today
        Someone has to make your Link card work !
        Legal action hahahahahahaa you called that legal action, you retard the cops were laughing on the phone with me once they saw the shit you have been pulling in my life. Trust me they see you for the babbling idiot you are....fucken hilarously funny.....more days of our lives drama by the one and only fatty pants. And Mark speaks to them regularly he has a friend on the fox lake force. We all laugh at you and your stupid complaints that have no merit. Good God get a life and stay off fornits.  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 25, 2010, 04:14:14 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Pissant cowards pretending to be others...
        You are a one woman riot Sharon
        Keep searching .. You got nothing on me... Keep spinning.. I love it when you dance for me
        I see you have had a big day of hate and bile
        How suprising. LOOOOLLLLLLL
        Its time to get in the water hun.. I have an anchor with your name on it..
        come on over and will see if you float
        Bring it bitch boy...I have a cop living with me, and do you honestly think he likes this little shit your pulling....Bring it bitch anytime.....I am waiting you little cunt. You are nothing more then a stupid silly little boy come on over prove your a man cuntboy...
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 25, 2010, 04:59:40 PM
        :jawdrop: Wow :jawdrop:  Wow Farty  you even have the " pacifist " out screaming. There are folks here that never really say boo, but you got them wound up. It goes to show a Real  Ass-Hole can bring out the "Ugly "side in anyone. And Farty you have that mastered. I have read some of Paul's post and I have not seen him speak to anyone as harshly as you. How do you take nice peaceful folks and make them go off like that Farty ?? more importantly WHY ??? You never told us that it was your idea to put the eye ball / 8 ball on your poor girlfriends hand. How high did you get the kid before you did it to here, ??  your a true Shit Bag Farty !! I know Sharon's lying again, but yet you say nothing ?? Maybe she has a holiday  photo ??? Yes you got cough again Farty and we will keep exposing you Farty  long after your put away were ever it is they put people like you, So tell the truth and don't shit yourself on the Chair Boat, zoom zoom here comes Big Farty. I think someone  said your Mom or Grandmother maybe both had a tattoo of Hitler on their left breast. And your Dad had one of "Betty Boop " on his ankle ??. Someone also said you had a Wonderho War Bandanna  Tramp Stamp over your ass, is that  true ?? dont lie. Photo Man  will be in town tomorrow  we hear. Tell the truth you bag of shit. And answer Anne question !!. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Froderik on June 25, 2010, 06:05:14 PM
        (http://http://one4theotherthumb.com/images/stories/09regularseason/packers/turdcostume.jpg)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: aliciakeys on June 25, 2010, 10:41:31 PM
        Friday, June 25, 2010

        Art Warshawsky ( http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=794107437 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=794107437) )  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  

        Current City:
        Rockford, IL
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 26, 2010, 08:31:10 AM
        :cheers:  Boy O Boy Farty you have drawn as they use to say at Elan a Cowboy ass-kicking here. A multi -house GM for Farty. You were asked to go away and leave everyone alone ,but then, No One Tell's Big Farty what to do. Is Eric still laughing with you or at you. Seems like the tables have turn quite dramatically. You look like someone who stuck their hand in a bee hive. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: And this time Farty no one will pull your hand out. Your have unleashed your demise, and now you could be the one to turn up in jail, anymore threats or challenges. ??  You wanted conflict, ?  I see you got it. But no one is threatening you, and you keep digging your hole deeper. Keep up the threats Farty your getting closer to the cell you belong in. Did you show your Police friend all your post and threats to people you have made tuff guy. ?? We will !!! :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma: Are you going to have" Aliciakeys " arrested too,?? They should arrest the whole world wide web for standing up to the Big Farty wooooooo.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on June 26, 2010, 11:06:22 AM
        :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  It sure is fun watching you get exposed Farty for who and what you are. And you thought you were going to trash the innocent folks,  and get away with it. You are an internet criminal and we all have your post recorded. and just waiting for the cop's to come. Man will they hand you your ass. So would you like the number.?? or do you have it on speed dial ?  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  You are a joke and a liar. I truly don't care what you have to say about me Farty many folks here know me and know much different. You have made such an ass and liar out of yourself that no believes anything you say anyway. And with Sharon bringing up your very sorted and vulgar past you just sink deeper into the pit your from.Oh and the girl you said threw me out of your friends place in Fox Lake. was the same bitch he caught with her old boyfriend. Needless to say they don't see each other anymore. Ha Ha. great info source. You breed scum and negativity and have no life. Your so  worried about me, ha thats because I have things in life you don't. You claim to know so much  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  you know shit about me farty.Because the drama queen in fox lake fed you full of shit, ha ha jokes on you. He set you up to be  a good laugh. After all he is the one who moved out of his house due to foreclosure stupid. and was having fun with you running around talking shit. Selling my belongings, I have more stuff than most could count, I don't consider old washers and dryer and fridges from rental properties belongings. I call that junk, I figured someone could use the stuff stupid. Or it was the garbage. He has allot of friends like yourself that are broke and could use an old fridge or washer. I am a person that instead of throwing things out I try and past them on to the needy.Why is that a bad thing Farty ?? I can give to charity and I do, are you jealous ? You claim all these things and have nothing to stand on. I don't have to work as a flunky to survive Farty, and that drives you up the wall don't it ? I am a solid citizen and you cant take it. Prove me wrong big mouth. I don't hurt people or stalk them,  you do, I don't have sex with underage girls, you do,  I don't drug people to get my way, you do. And all these things have been proven about you over and over. What I had a rental property go into foreclosure in this market .what a surprise :beat:  :beat: . you have never owned anything but the shoes on your feet so you wouldn't understand. All the appliances came from the foreclosure property too stupid. Or didn't  your friend tell you that ?? Probably not he wanted to see you make an ass out of yourself. My old truck ??? ha ha I cant haul tools and materials in my Vette stupid. Did your friend tell you about that car ?? no probably not or the 06 jeep and the 07 4x4 pu no just the 96 ford,Oh yea all of my cars are paid for. Are your's. :bs:  :bs:  dont shit yourself looser.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 26, 2010, 12:39:48 PM
        Quote from: "aliciakeys"
        Friday, June 25, 2010

        Art Warshawsky ( http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=794107437 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=794107437) )  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  

        Current City:
        Rockford, IL
        You call that a boat....bababababababahhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaa oh shit I can't stop laughing at you :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 26, 2010, 12:41:42 PM
        awww where did little Farty go??? awwww we hurt his feelings?????? awwwwwww I feel so badly for him...lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao
        Title: shit on it
        Post by: Froderik on June 26, 2010, 12:43:21 PM
        (http://http://64.34.162.133/uploads2/11981_2_9_2008_10_43_00_PM_-_oh_shit-759720.jpg)
        Title: Re: shit on it
        Post by: psy, on June 26, 2010, 01:57:03 PM
        Quote from: "Froderik"
        (http://http://64.34.162.133/uploads2/11981_2_9_2008_10_43_00_PM_-_oh_shit-759720.jpg)
        :notworthy:  :notworthy:  Gee Farty you are the king. is that Wndertucky Lake ?? man you sure rule the roost you molester. Or is Sharon lying again ??? Married and playing around with 17 a year old,  you sick fuck. Filing her with drugs and you laugh about it. what type of animal are you Farty,???  Don't you think allot of us have grand kids and kids that age in our life's, and we think about predators like you.Sharon was a fucked up kid like we all were once and all you did was feed into her problems by abusing her during her confusion. Your a real man Farty. Does Eric know you like girl's under 18 the best you sick fuck.??  there are laws that put your kind in jail. Tell your cop friends bout that. Chief Thomas Sanders Spring Grove PD 815-675-2596, I am sure he would like to see how you stalk and  bully folks. Remember Farty all of your threats including drowning Sharon with an anchor are recorded. You have said so much that you would be calling the cops on yourself by the time it's done. You have came here attacking people, and them standing up,  is not against the law, you have been told and asked to leave people alone but you continue. You threaten folks saying  you called the IRS and the police etc You have called people out to meet you and settle things. All you have done is paint yourself in the corner. No one has threatened you or made any statements that are not true. You have by proof solicited every comment made to you or about you and even verified their truth. So Farty go away and fuck yourself.  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 26, 2010, 02:37:29 PM
        :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: Oh Farty are you in for some major exposure for your crimes and stalking here on the web, Dont shit yourself as you like to say and have been recorded. :karma:  :karma:  :karma: Karma is a bitch on a black horse :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: aliciakeys on June 26, 2010, 02:51:50 PM
        I wouldn't be surprised if Art's kids found out about his sexual habits.  They are bound to find out one of these days.

         :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 26, 2010, 09:19:01 PM
        Quote from: "aliciakeys"
        I wouldn't be surprised if Art's kids found out about his sexual habits.  They are bound to find out one of these days.

         :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           :rofl:  :rofl:  Shit !!  that would be worse that IRS or the Police or even the FBI, WOW  :jawdrop: You really started the truth rolling , didnt you ??? Well you exposed the lie's alright. Too bad it's ::OMG:: { YOU } ::OMG::  getting told on , :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on June 27, 2010, 12:29:07 PM
        Wow...Art is unusually & conspicuously quiet.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: aliciakeys on June 27, 2010, 12:45:45 PM
        I will continue to expose Art as I see fit. Art will be back in a day or two complaining about the picture, his facebook website I posted, Sharon's response and others who exposed him.  He can complain all he wants to but it will not bother me.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 28, 2010, 09:49:34 AM
        Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
        Wow...Art is unusually & conspicuously quiet.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                :rocker: " Anne " If you had your pants pulled down like he did you would be quiet too. He came out here harassing and bulling everyone and anything that moved. He spoke to the site like we all his bitches.. Mr liarsexposed shot himself in the foot, he thought he would put everyone in their place, and got put in his. Everything is fare when,  Farty  does, it but,  anyone else is violating the laws of the Farty . Well guess what so is threatening and badgering people.Constantly bothering the Sharon's and Felice's of the world. We  honestly think Fart thought he  would trap someone here. :roflmao:  But he has spread so much of his  bile and threats good luck . It's hard to say they all went after me poor me, :waaaa:  :waaaa:  when he has for months of threatened and stalked others . Is so dumb not to relies he has been recorded since the beginning. Did he think he was welcomed  on the site because he was liked ,??  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  How soon he forgets what he did to the site in his last tantrum, and even came back to haunt and flaunt to Ginger and Mike. Ha Ha.  I will shut you folks down and that's that. Things will be done the way Fart  wants . :beat:  :beat:   Farty is someone with no shame and a point to prove to himself. How could someone do what he did to this site and have the Gaul to come back and torment people and act like he won something. He tried to rune everything here for everyone, and  thinks people like him,??. How about all the folks that don't even go on the free for all, they get punished too because of somebody that cant handle the site and the fight's they start. How do you upset possibly 500-1000 people here and think you have a friend ?? His crap affected the whole site, that's were the big numbers come from. Not just the free for all. We would love to see him confront this in court, after all he came out of the gate demanding apologies and retribution. Making threats and acting out. And he is the one that started the whole mess to begin with. How do explain to a Judge why you went back to a site you tried to use a court to close,?? And that is a fare question to ask.We learned along time ago, and that's to never boast victory. We still can't  believe after all the treats and use of the word  " CUNT " over and over and his constant going on and on, that he would have any thing to say to anyone .Doesn't he relies that anyone he complains to will ask him the same question.?? Why are you on that site threatening and harassing people ?? DA. :beat: How do you think you can bully people and get mad when they respond ??? :waaaa: There are things called self-defense, and the site warns that the conversations are open, so why run around thinking you can stir things up and no one will respond,?? His Attorney probably advised him to hire an Attorney, I wouldn't  see any smart Attorney even looking at such a ridiculous  case. Here is some basic court law, If you are in a Bar or Restaurant  or anywhere and some tries to provoke you  to do something illegal. and you do. "You have broken the law." If you prospect trouble to get back at someone or ones, You have broken the law. If someone brakes into your house and get's arrested and charged and convicted. You still don't have the right to call them a thief or contact them in anyway. That's also against the law. So in a nut shell Farty coming back here after his explosion last time , and demanding things and making threats to people he accomplished one thing , and that's getting himself into one big mess. :beat:  :beat:  No one has threatened anything towards him except calling the Police. As far as his stupid photo someone posted who cares ?? that's small potatoes compare to the " Pandora's  Box "  he will open on himself. He doesn't  relies that as much as he protest someone else's actions he also has to explain his. And how do you do it ??  Its all in print and has  been saved by the site and others. in files not on Fornits. On nice little memory cards. Or disc as Farty claims to use or was that micro-fish ?? :roflmao: We look forward to see the " Internet  Bullies ' next move , hopefully it will be to stay away and leave people alone. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 28, 2010, 10:59:16 AM
        His facebook picture, I couldn't see it. Can your repost it ailcia? Along with the boat.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 28, 2010, 11:03:10 AM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        His facebook picture, I couldn't see it. Can your repost it ailcia? Along with the boat.
        :rocker:  It's on page  63 in the middle of this thread right under " turd man"  thanks for coming over today. :rocker:  :peace:  :peace:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: aliciakeys on June 28, 2010, 01:23:24 PM
        Quote from: "Jeffery"
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        His facebook picture, I couldn't see it. Can your repost it ailcia? Along with the boat.
        :rocker:  It's on page  63 in the middle of this thread right under " turd man"  thanks for coming over today. :rocker:  :peace:  :peace:

        Monday, June 28, 2010

        Art Warshawsky ( http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=794107437 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=794107437) )  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  

        Current City:
        Rockford, IL
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 28, 2010, 05:46:14 PM
        :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  ::OMG::    WOW !!! You got " balls " like a high diver  ::OMG::  He will drive to your house  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: , You have had,  to move to top of his  list for sure now, :roflmao:  :roflmao: What state are you in,??  call the Police,  he is Google searching your state now. :rofl:  :rofl: . You put Sharon and Mark to shame, your are,  The Best Ex poser and thank you for the post. He cant take his own medicine,  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 29, 2010, 11:45:27 AM
        Sheesh fArt, you really put on some weight there fella. Hopefully it's not from sitting around in front of your computer looking at the kiddie smut as what was brought up earlier. Or worse yet, the junk man needs supplement income and has a kiddie porn studio named "Art's Tree House". I really hope for your sake that you are not into kiddie smut fella.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 29, 2010, 01:22:59 PM
        OMG where's Farty??? Good God he is probably having a tantrum about his boat picture being online. Bet he does a DMCA notice today claiming is was stolen..lmao He is awfully quite. Awww did ARTY not like the fact I busted him out last week?? Well shit if I knew it was gunna shut him up I would of done it a long time ago. I will drink some more Java then hit the books....I had a wonderful past few days and not about to let that magot ruin any of it. Awwww maybe FARTY pants finally is working and earning his money instead of bullying during business hours taking (no correction stealing) wages from his boss. Kind of figures he has his boss so snowed in his little web of bulllshit. I feel sorry for the man having that type of employee just sucking the life out of him without actually working for it. I wonder if his boss even is smart enough to know he is also being exploited by him. So, as ARTY puts it I will sit back on the government tit and go do my homework today and go to two doctors appointments. Wow I am so so fucken lazy dont work for nothing at all. This is why I graduate in September and get a lousy two week break then back in school again for three years. Oh yes I dont earn shit do it..lmao lmao lmao lmao The man would not know hard work if it smacked him in the nose. He truly knows lazy to a tee.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 29, 2010, 03:31:34 PM
        I think fArt needs to go on a treadmill. If he gave a treadmill the attention he gave this site as a troll, he wouldn't have let himself go so terribly. All that weight is not good for you fArt. It puts stress on your heart, cause I'm sure you stress yourself out quite a bit daily by coming here and stirring up trouble. Trouble you have been stirring here for what, 10 years now? Why not focus on some healthy goals, like loosing that potentially damgerous weight? You really have a strange habit of getting masses of people hating you and leaving your guard down for an ass handing. Or do you like when people are shoveling it right back at you? You seem to thrive from it.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: aliciakeys on June 29, 2010, 06:59:25 PM
        :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin: :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 29, 2010, 09:29:43 PM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        I think fArt needs to go on a treadmill. If he gave a treadmill the attention he gave this site as a troll, he wouldn't have let himself go so terribly. All that weight is not good for you fArt. It puts stress on your heart, cause I'm sure you stress yourself out quite a bit daily by coming here and stirring up trouble. Trouble you have been stirring here for what, 10 years now? Why not focus on some healthy goals, like loosing that potentially damgerous weight? You really have a strange habit of getting masses of people hating you and leaving your guard down for an ass handing. Or do you like when people are shoveling it right back at you? You seem to thrive from it.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  Boy Farty your photo does depict  you in a less that flattering way. you are quite the fat ass to be calling people fat asses. And have the Mr. Rogers look to you, I am sure you have explored other avenues in the past haven't you,?? Well I think we all know about you and your lies. You aren't barking so loud ,are you telling on everyone, ??  be careful there  is more legal exposure awaiting you. And your lying wont be listen too. We have instituted an honesty policy here, so put up or shut up as you like to say. Any lie's will cause exposure.So dont lie Farty. You just don't know what to say and yes you dont have a friend in this world here so tell the truth. It wont set you free but you wont be as much of a liar-to expose. :karma:  :karma:                                                                                                                                                                          P.S . Tables sure  have turned from the days of you just shitting all over people haven't they Farty, ??  :rasta:  :roflmao:  :rasta:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: aliciakeys on June 30, 2010, 11:11:56 AM
        I think Judge Joe Brown should address Art in the same manner he speaks to the defendant;

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecWDKC9a ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecWDKC9am7w&feature=related) :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Froderik on June 30, 2010, 11:25:53 AM
        I'm awaiting Art's rebuttal.

        It ought to be good...
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 30, 2010, 12:26:18 PM
        Quote from: "Froderik"
        I'm awaiting Art's rebuttal.

        It ought to be good...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                :cheers:  :cheers:  What do say, ??  You guys got me, ?? He prospected his own demise, no one made him come on here and just brutally  attack and threaten people. And it all started  once Ginger and Mike got the site back up. He came in like a bully claiming to have kicked Fornit's ass and so many other web sites. Like we have said he has done so much damage to himself  :beat:  :beat:  he has nothing to say. :waaaa:  With his want and need for control,  :clown:  :clown:  he has to be besides himself now. Come on and think about it, if he goes to complain to anyone they will of course want to see what prompted the comments made to and about him and then he is fucked. No one has ever threatened him with the exception of calling the Police. We think it would be good reading for them to review  Farty's antics on the web. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: We hope he don't  shit himself today :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rocker:  :rocker: We are all lying and have been exposed and cant handle it, We bet that's the response if any, hopefully he will just go away and not come back he has been ailing folks for over 10 years.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on June 30, 2010, 12:35:55 PM
        :guesswho:  :agree:  :beat:  :beat:  It's kind of like a " General Meeting " waiting for someone to yell charge. And Farty is afraid to speak, His last slamming into the wall , knocked Joe's picture down on the floor and Pan Face was pissed  .  :rofl:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 30, 2010, 09:59:18 PM
        I think fArt could be a better person if he would just drop the hating on other people. He is on the same page as us that would like to see elan shut down permantly and pan face aka "hi yuh yuh indian-jew" go to prison for rape and sodomy, and mental abuse. Old pan face would make a nice addition to some horny gay prisoners that would abuse pan faces back pussy on a daily basis.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        TCK's only protection would be his fecal matter which he would probably paint himself with in a vein attempt to act as bug spray for other prisoners from grouping him and making him their walking cum recepticles collection system.

        Hi yuh yuh yuh. hi yuh yuh yuh!
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on June 30, 2010, 11:49:00 PM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        I think fArt could be a better person if he would just drop the hating on other people. He is on the same page as us that would like to see elan shut down permantly and pan face aka "hi yuh yuh indian-jew" go to prison for rape and sodomy, and mental abuse. Old pan face would make a nice addition to some horny gay prisoners that would abuse pan faces back pussy on a daily basis.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        TCK's only protection would be his fecal matter which he would probably paint himself with in a vein attempt to act as bug spray for other prisoners from grouping him and making him their walking cum recepticles collection system.

        Hi yuh yuh yuh. hi yuh yuh yuh!
        :rocker:  :cheers:  As sad as it is" Reporter " when you do general research on Pan Face not much comes up. He has managed to stay so far under the radar it's not even funny. he went to and graduated from Evanston High School in 70 or 71 in Ill  and basically  went to Elan. I don't know which grad he was from Elan but he was one of the first. So was Gottlieb and Zeretsky and on and on. He is truly someone who likes his job at Elan and finds safety there. he went to Arizona for some years and lived with I believe a sister or relative also lived in TX. in Dallas area with his wife. Then back to the North Woods of Maine. One must ask themselves why would anyone go back to a place like that after deprogramming in society, unless he never deprogramed and just couldn't  make it in the real world. I would believe the second thought. He knew at Elan he was someone and in the real world just  another Pan Face ass-hole. So he ran back to the safety of  Gray Maine and his job at Elan. Gottlieb I don't think even tried to go over the wall. He just sat back and watched, and that is real sad. In the 70's that place was more unbelievable than it ever became. The 70s was the true testing grounds for Joe's chaos affair. Anything went
         and Parsonsfield was open for guest's if Waterford was full or you were just special like myself and forged right past Waterford to the house on the hill. Parsonsfield  was originally a TB Sanitarium or Leper Colony so to speak. It was a place you went to die.And I know it was haunted before any of us got there, and I believe  Joe's madness mixed with the spirits  of the dead and made  it one hell of a crazy place to be. It reminded me of the movie One Flew Over " The Koo Koo Nest " every day was the same with a different twist on who was going threw hell today . The only consistency was the touchers and nightmares of the day ahead of you. I remember just not wanting to get up most day's because I was up all night not wanting to go to sleep because you didn't know what was going to happen next.
        Parsonsfield was the Elan Concentration Camp if one existed and I cant count the folks that were just brutalized.                Peter MC Cann may he rest in Hell  :fuckoff:   Was the Grand Poo-Ba there and what an ass-hole he was. But one day Pan Face will face his sins in life and so will the rest of those bastards.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: aliciakeys on July 01, 2010, 03:40:29 AM
        I wonder if Angela Smith would write about Art's admission on HEAL's website?  Would she incorporate Art's name back into the survivor statement he originally complained about in lieu of his recent admission?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on July 01, 2010, 08:51:56 AM
        kirstin wrote:

                psy wrote:The moderators on the Elan forum might have said that (I do not know) but the admins do not really give a damn whether Art is irritated. Use open free for all. Feel free to post whatever you want about him.



            I think the administrators do care about baiting Art because he caused this website allot of problems weeks ago.


        Art was a pain in the ass, yes, but he's neutered now and the DMCA trick he used won't work anymore since we truly have save harbor status now. The only reason why I didn't post a lengthy blast of him was because the whole Elan crap has taken up enough of this forum as it is.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on July 01, 2010, 08:58:24 AM
        :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: Top
        Re: Art Warshawsky = Moderators say don't bait Art

        Postby SharonMcCarthy » Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:53 pm

            psy wrote:The moderators on the Elan forum might have said that (I do not know) but the admins do not really give a damn whether Art is irritated. Use open free for all. Feel free to post whatever you want about him.


        Thank you for the clarification. Honestly the man is like vile suck in the back of my throat after a good session of puking. The trouble is I would love nothing more than to allow this Maggot to never hear from me again, however honestly he keeps not only baiting me here on fornits, but in real life as well. This bizzare nightmare just will not stop.
        I have tried so hard to ignore him, and see the points of others....however, now he has challenged my Rape and is claiming to Heal I was full of shit. This has gone too far this time. And the times before he has over stepped as well.

        I am sick and tired of watching this man fucken hurt everyone and everything he touches or comes in close contact with. I am only human...and honestly I cannot apologize for that either.

                                                                  :rocker:      Dear Elan Survivors,  :rocker:

        I received the following information today regarding Sharon Wittwer's declaration linked on our site at http://www.heal-online.org/elan2.htm (http://www.heal-online.org/elan2.htm). Are you able to confirm that Sharon's statements are accurate based on your knowledge and experience at Elan? If not, we may need to temporarily remove her statement.

        I received the signed statement from Sharon by snail-mail to our office. There are other statements I received as e-mail attachments grouped and submitted by one person. We will need confirmation from all authors via e-mail in order to keep them up. We can't afford any other legal issues right now. Thanks for your help!

        In Solidarity,

        Angela Smith
        HEAL Coordinator

        To: [email protected] (http://mailto:[email protected])
        To:
        Subject: Re: perjury
        Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 15:33:13 -0700

        Dear ,

        We have no idea what you are talking about. If there is an error on our website, please let us know and include the link to the page where any information is inaccurate.

        Thank you for contacting HEAL!

        The HEAL Team
        ----- Original Message -----
        From:
        To: http://www.heal-online.org (http://www.heal-online.org)
        http://www.heal-online.org (http://www.heal-online.org)

        As a woman, as a Rape Survivor, as a human being period. How would you feel anyone on here?...He was a nasty vile creature to even write stuff regarding anyone since he was not even there during that time frame. Thing is I do not want other victims to feel they cannot come forward either, poeple like him prevent good people from getting the proper support they truly need.

        I am just in hopes that my misforune and bad experiences with the staff member ex boyfriend from hell issue does not hurt anyone else down the line. I think it is important for people to be aware of what type of man would fuck a 17year old, while married with two kids...and do recreational drugs with, and then come back to fuck with a life..then fuck with the positive impacts others are trying to send forth into others...

        Rape is not a joking or laughing matter...I deeply opened up to many and I am going thru a lot just dealing with my raw emotions so open and subjected to everyone to begin with.

        When I was a kid back then, I remember that day when they found me...I wanted to die....I laid there in that condition and was so afraid someone would think it was all my fault, I hated myself and no one helped me. Then I sat months tormented and feeling like a piece of garbage. I was a kid...just a kid.

        Now this prick is back to haunt my life, why, what is the point?? Is he trying to pick up where Joe Ricci failed?? Well it aint gunna work, I am strong as hell now, and got one hell of some wonderful people that are discusted in these latest stunts. I understand everyone is sick of the man completely...and frankily I am too. I sat here and watched him fuck with tons of good people then like a sick twisted fuck bragged about it to my family. I do not like my friends fucked with nor me either, so I apologize to everyone on here but I am simply human.
        "A little knowledge that acts is worth infinitely more than much knowledge that is idle."
        Kahlil Gibran

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        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on July 01, 2010, 09:12:24 AM
        :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    :bs:  :rasta:  #  art warshawsky Says:  :rasta:  :bs:
        August 15th, 2007 at 11:54 am

        Though I have a great deal of respect for the message Ginger has tried to get across. Her methods remain questionable. Fornits is a cesspool full of malcontents who will say “anything” to get some personal attention. Its that very “anything” that I think has caused the uproar that Sue has pursued. Though I agree that speaking the truth has probably been more “damning” to Sue than anything else.Those who post the nonsense completely take advantage of the “no accountability” ascociated with the entire site.
        When asked about removing content that is offensive,one recieves a lesson in our US Constitution,and its amendments.
        Everyone is entitled to their own belief in this living document,though I cant see our forefathers intending to give “carte blanch” to anyone to say anything without consequences.
        Its Ginger’s irresponsible actions that have forced her to seek refuge in a foreign country,not Sue’s. She already knows she is caught. I think that is abundantly clear.
        The content at Fornits is a reflection of a group of very sick individuals that could care less about Sue and her deciet. Its more about the continual seeking of attention by any means.
        I think Sue should be tried for her crimes against children by a jury of her peers. If she somehow beats the rap,be assured that she (like anyone else) will have to meet god on her own judgement day. I am guessing that his sentence will be far more harsh than anything the court,or Ginger’s Goon Squad could dish out.
        A Warshawsky
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Jeffery on July 01, 2010, 09:16:47 AM
        :karma:  :karma:


        #  art warshawsky Says:
        August 16th, 2007 at 6:02 pm

        I have obviously spent way too much time in the wrong forum. I have not much experience at Fornits that has been positive,or productive. I am really impressed with what I see in the last week,and am impressed with the devotion of those who have been under fire.
        Personal feelings and opinions aside,if I may be of service, I hope I am asked.No child should endure what we have.
        A Warshawsky

                                                                        Then why is he here, ???????????
         :waaaa:  :waaaa:  All that being said, then  why in the hell is he still running around all of us malcontent ass-holes ?? Thats a fare question unless it's to just draw problems to him, in his effort to fish out people to fuck with. :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  And the truth just rolls. :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:


        P.P.S. The above statements are 3 years old, Sharon and Mark weren't even here then, We wonder who his flavor of the week was then, ?? . He targets them now, but what was up then ?? more liar's to expose we guess, :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        How is it that Everyone from the meekest to the strongest he takes on. We think the Elan Reporter could elaborate, their staff have tracked him for years. He likes to put on like he is on the same page but that is also rule # 1. in the art of manipulation and control . Always let the person in front of you think things are their idea and agree with their thoughts, especially  the ones you plant. The Old Wolf in Sheep's Clothing Maneuver. He forgets Elan, Day-Top and Straights and all the rest  thought  us all control and manipulation. So to run some dead program games on us is quite amusing.
        Most of all it's an insult, his words mean nothing, but for him to think people wont and cant stand up for themselves is the insult. I would never consider taking on the steps he has , It's suicide  :suicide:   ::unhappy::  Who in the world can run around abusing woman like he does and everyone else, and feel they can rally for support from others, ? And what kind of others would support his way's openly ,??
        He will be a point of topic for a long time to come. he has won the same honors as Pan Face and Gottlieb and the rest.        1 .He he has proven he will go to any means to abuse someone.  :seg2:
        2. He has no shame in admitting to abuse. :soapbox:
        3. He loves the drama of others. :twofinger:
        4. He likes to see people bullied and upset. ::evil::
        5. He likes to taunt and be-little people. :twofinger:
        6. He loves to boast self thought victories. :bs:
        7. He hates to be on the outside of the loop. :waaaa:
        8. He constantly approaches thing the same way thinking something different will happen. :beat:
        as shown over the many years.
        9. He claims to hate Elan but yet seems to be one of  the best example of the  Elan Product.
        10. He loves to threaten punishment and retribution for defying him or breaking his house rules.
        He fits the criteria for Elan Staff Director., Joe would be so proud, :beat:   Pan Face would greet him with a big reach around and a quell shower. :clown:    Boy wouldn't  that be something to see Farty all dressed up in his XXXXX  large Elan Staff Dir  T-shirt , all pressed real nice with jelly stains on the chest of it. :roflmao:  :roflmao:   He would be at the pinnacle of his life, :rasta:   :rasta:   standing hand in hand with Pan Face and coaching Gottlieb before he passes letting him know he The "Great Farty" will carry on Joe's Teachings and Gifts. He will make sure all the malcontents of the world will know the way of " Big Joe " and the lessons  of the Late great Mc Cann, and Saxner, and the rest of the entourage. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on July 01, 2010, 10:26:03 AM
        Quote from: "aliciakeys"
        I wonder if Angela Smith would write about Art's admission on HEAL's website?  Would she incorporate Art's name back into the survivor statement he originally complained about in lieu of his recent admission?
        I think it would be wonderful for Angela to consider, especially after his latest targets in hurting others that have spoken out. I was never at Elan with ARTY FARTY but he had the utter gall to write Angela and tell her my testimony was bullshit. How would Little ARTY know he was not there. He did that to be evil and spiteful. If people like ARTY FARTY keep getting away with attacking others like this, no one else will come forward. I believe this type of person knows what he is doing..he is trying to cover shit up and so far has managed to hurt a lot of survivors. I think it is a blessed miracle this man has stfu for over 3 days now....god I hope it continues.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on July 01, 2010, 03:55:09 PM
        There is a whole lotta love for fArt here. Jelly stains... :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: aliciakeys on July 02, 2010, 12:31:36 AM
        :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin: :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8Nf1MK7lts (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8Nf1MK7lts)

        Art ( Gomer Pyle ) 3:55 - 5:43


        *****Art updates facebook profile and removes city he's from.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on July 05, 2010, 10:19:33 PM
        fArt, did the jewish hi yuh yuh indian at any time order you to fuck his back pussy whlie you were either a resident (excuse me, PRISONER) or staff member? I know it is the hi yuh yuh indians fantasy to have penis's, hamsters, or other small furry rodents to be inserted into his rear orffice aka his back pussy. Hear that Marty? You one queer hi yuh yuh yuh chanting, pan faced, mutha fucka fella!
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on July 06, 2010, 07:45:36 AM
        awwwwwww I go on vacation and had a wonderful fourth of July.....and still see little Farty Barty Arty is still MIA....omg thought he had so much to say. Thought he was here to address some issues...lmao lmao lmao finally the piss ant is silent. He just cannot seem to play to well with ppl here. Once again a woman gave him the spanking he deserved.....I bet he is spinning around screaming violently...spewing the word CUNT......good God the picture is priceless....finally he is gone....we should hold a special event in this honor..... :seg:  :cheers:  :jamin:  :rasta:  :hug:  :rocker:  :nods:  :shamrock:  :birthday:  :on phone:  :seg:  :sue:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Queen Bitch on July 06, 2010, 09:20:11 AM
        Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
        Once again a woman gave him the spanking he deserved....
        ;)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: jeff cooper on July 07, 2010, 12:52:38 AM
        hi art........long time no talk......missed you bud.......
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on July 07, 2010, 04:57:45 PM
        The reason why fArt has not posted is because he got so angry he smashed his computer in a rage! :rocker:  :rocker: Once again, he has been sucessfully run off this forum. See what a little of handing someone thier ass can do? :rasta:  :rasta:

        Ok, onto the next troll...Who's next? Oh, and coward Marty Kruglik, who reads this forum from time to time but doesn;t have the balls to post. FUCK YOU!
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Paul St. John on July 07, 2010, 07:36:15 PM
        Yo you still have those audio files of the "reporter" Calling Elan?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 12, 2010, 09:43:54 AM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        The reason why fArt has not posted is because he got so angry he smashed his computer in a rage! :rocker:  :rocker: Once again, he has been sucessfully run off this forum. See what a little of handing someone thier ass can do? :rasta:  :rasta:

        Ok, onto the next troll...Who's next? Oh, and coward Marty Kruglik, who reads this forum from time to time but doesn;t have the balls to post. FUCK YOU!



         :cheers:  :rocker: Hey folks just got back in town last night, went to the vacation house in Northern  Wisconsin I did not want to come back to the grind, but that's the hand I am dealt. I Finally got two of my rentals rented, it's been close to impossible to find a tenant with good credit and pay history. This economy has really taken some good paying people and turned them around.

        It is sad to see folks that have always tried to do the right thing,  get it jammed in their asses with this job situation and lack of growth in investments. I think that's  why people run away and hide in the woods. Up north we have a place in a small area and not much goes on. The house is over 2.000 sq feet 10 years old and air conditioned with a fireplace on a couple acres of wooded land.Taxes are $1700.00 a year ins is $400.00 a year. Here at home everything is triple except ins, up north there are no Jones, everyone is just having fun living their life's , very little stress.

        I cant wait till I can retire to that life style, providing every day stresses don't kill me before that, lol  :roflmao:
        One stress that is gone is Farty and his parade of bull-shit, there aren't very many Farty types up north , but then most of the folks are gun owners, :roflmao:

        [Pan Face] is and excellent target, we need someone just coming out of Elan to talk , and bring everyone up to speed on [ Pan Face ] I can tell you he lives in Gray, Maine now, he also lived in Spring Tx, Dallas Tx.and Richard Tx ,S. Portland, Salem Mass, and Poland Springs. I think his wife's ? name is Deb, and Pan Face is about 56 now. I didn't know Pan Face liked girls,
        I thought he shopped in the young boy's dept, :roflmao:  :roflmao: . But that I think is the way to [Pan Face ] , he has hidden himself quite well as Joe did for him in the beginning. Some say he went to Elan after a molestation charge with a young boy, in New Hampshire." I do not know this to be fact but it is rumored " It would be nice to know the truth because the rumor makes scene and explains some of his actions. I know in the 70's when I was their he was a sick kiss ass fuck. he ran behind Joe like his bitch.

        I would vote Pan face and Mc Cann as the two biggest ass-holes when I was there, Gottlieb was there following but not often leading.same with Eddy Friedman and Dave Elder. Wendy Fraerman just kind of blended in and so did Niel Saxner .
        Pan Face was always the instigator of trouble,and trama,he would seek out ways just to fuck with people,but you all know this.

        I just think some fresh input into Pan Face would be helpful, us old timers I dont think are believed when we tell our tales of horror. But then we saw and lived threw some pretty crazy times, it was Elan in it's birth stages.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 12, 2010, 10:21:55 AM
        http://127.0.0.1:4664/redir?url=http%3A ... RVmil4mf3o (http://127.0.0.1:4664/redir?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews%2Egoogle%2Ecom%2Fnewspapers%3Fid%3DRD4pAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3D5WUFAAAAIBAJ%26dq%3Delan%2520one%2520maine%26pg%3D4764%252C3233350&src=1&schema=2&s=Unx18rzAiVsMB5JxiRVmil4mf3o)

        Elan was hell until the State of Illinois came to our rescue. I was young and full of adventure and took full advantage of my 15 min of fame. I bolted and stole a car in Gray and got chased in Portland. etc I went on a rampage of disobedience,and wild times. they finally sent me to Parsonsfield, but they were not going to put me in the ring or any real crazy GM's, with big brother watching over us from ill. So it was indeed time to fuck with their system.Myself and a guy named Juan Vasquez,were finally returned as part of the settlement between Elan and IL. But let me tell you watching that place kind from the outside,as I was. It was beyond crazy and brutal, I cant say I have ever seen such outward and direct abuse.

        They did everything but frontal lobotomy's  and who knows maybe they did somewhere else in the woods of Maine. they did have the drug line for some of the kids and adults. I saw folks from 11 years old to 28 in the program, I never really understood that part.

        We were all just lofted in together like a commune or a cult, with Joe Ricci as the David Keresh or Jim Jones of the group.
        They prayed on the weak to make them examples, and humiliate them in front of others. I just couldn't  get a grip on what their thinking or lack of was ? It was one of those bad dreams that wouldn't end for most, and the Pan Faces thrived on it.

        I was very happy to come home to Ill after a year and a half there, I never believed what I saw until I heard others speak about it many  years later. And I still am shocked, I thought maybe my mined exaggerated the memories and I found it didn't. :cheers:  :cheers:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Froderik on July 12, 2010, 10:32:28 AM
        Is it true about the circle of dead grass for 500 ft around Joe Ricci's grave?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 12, 2010, 11:05:21 AM
        Quote from: "Froderik"
        Is it true about the circle of dead grass for 500 ft around Joe Ricci's grave?


        I have heard that but dont know were he is buried, or have ever seen an obituary for him, He was raised in Port Chester NY and died at Maine medical center. He lived on Black Strap rd in Falmouth Maine. I believe 425 was the address. I like the name of the street he lived on [ Black Strap ] how appropriate for a teacher of his sort. how about the phone number 207-998-4[666], I wonder how that worked out ??

        Big Joe has quite a jaded past with arrest for DUI and drunken disorderly etc.
        On Face Book under [ I Went to Elan School ] I posted quit a life history of Big Joe and the others at Elan, everything came from public records and news paper archives. Jeff Wimbledon on Face Book has used many of my post to enhance the reading on his blog. He is an excellent site builder, http://theelanschool.tumblr.com/ (http://theelanschool.tumblr.com/) it's worth a look. This also is some great reading http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=2 ... opic=12681 (http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=2234330403&topic=12681)
        I spent quit some time and effort finding all the clips but it is good to know the history of the monster that chased us.
        And also seeing how many others out there also went threw unnecessary hell like us at Elan. The folks at the former Straight Inc, Day Top, Benchmark and so many other places just like or close to Elan. I will say those folks from Straight play very well and rough. They exposed Mel Sembler and his crew right to the front doors of their homes. [ Literally] Google a Straights Survivors site one time and your eyes will open.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 12, 2010, 11:20:28 AM
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                       :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  This group doesn't fuck around  :rocker:  :rocker:  :cheers:  :cheers:
        Google Mel Sembler he was an  U.S. Ambassador to some where and the Mall King, he owns some crazy amount of shopping malls all over the U.S. And seems to be one grand peace of Shit, But that's how these guys survive the politics they get involved, Joe ran for Gov owned  the very lucrative Race Track, talk about wolf in the hen house. So people didn't bother him and the ones that did got ran around and sued etc. Joes was an excellent evader, he bobbed and weaved like a prize fighter. But remember he never rested and always had to run and be a step ahead of his paranoia's and guilt. He lived in hell so he figured he would crate his own were he could cause the suffering to others to  buffer his. He was one sick mentally unstable man as written by many news papers and authors. And now he is in the hell with out control, We reap what we sew Big Joe. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 12, 2010, 01:01:12 PM
        :fuckoff:  :karma:  Melvin Floyd Sembler  :fuckoff:  :karma:




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        Melvin Floyd Sembler
        United States Ambassador to Italy
        In office
        2001–2005
        President    George W. Bush
        Preceded by    Thomas M. Foglietta
        Succeeded by    Ronald P. Spogli
        United States Ambassador to Australia
        In office
        1989–1993
        President    George H. W. Bush, Bill Clinton
        Preceded by    Laurence W. Lane
        Succeeded by    Edward J. Perkins
        Born    10 May 1930
        St. Joseph, Missouri
        Political party    Republican
        Profession    Diplomat, businessman

        Melvin Floyd Sembler (born May 10, 1930)[1] is former United States Ambassador to Italy (2001 - 2005), and former Ambassador to Australia and Nauru (1989-1993). He has also served as Chairman of the Board of the Sembler Company, which develops and manages shopping centers, and co-founder of Straight, Inc., a controversial drug-treatment center. Sembler has been personally accused of being responsible for the claims of serious physical and psychological abuse that went on in his centers. Currently, Sembler serves as chairman of the Scooter Libby Legal Defense Trust.[2]
        Contents
        [hide]

            * 1 Personal history
            * 2 Political fund raising career
            * 3 Financial career
            * 4 Diplomatic career
            * 5 Allegations of abuse at Straight, Inc.
            * 6 References
            * 7 External links

        [edit] Personal history

        Born in 1930 in St. Joseph, Missouri, Sembler is a 1952 graduate of Northwestern University, where he earned a Bachelor of Science degree.[3] He and his wife Betty have three sons, Steve, Brent, and Greg, and are the grandparents of eleven grandchildren.
        [edit] Political fund raising career

        Sembler has been a Republican fundraiser since 1979, raising a record $21.3 million at a single dinner in April 2000 [4]. During the 1988 Presidential campaign, Sembler served on the National Steering Committee and the National Finance Committee for the George H.W. Bush for President campaign. Additionally, he was Finance Co-Chairman for the state of Florida for the George Bush for President campaign, and played an instrumental part in raising funds for the Fund for America's Future. He served on President Reagan's White House Conference for a Drug-Free America and was an advisor on drug policy to President Bush and to Florida's former Governor Bob Martinez. He served as Co-chairman of the Republican National Committee's Team 100 and Finance Co-Chairman of the American Bicentennial Presidential Inaugural, and from 1993 to 1995 he was Finance Chairman of the Republican Party of Florida.

        Sembler served as Finance Chairman for the Republican National Committee from 1997 to 2000. He also served as Florida's National Committeeman to the Republican National Committee from his election in 1994 until 2000. Prior to his appointment as Ambassador to Italy, Sembler was the Honorary Chairman of the Republican Jewish Coalition and Chairman of the Drug Free America Foundation, and served on the boards of the Florida Governor's Mansion Foundation and the Florida Holocaust Museum. He is a resident member of the Florida Council of 100, a business advisory council to the Governor of Florida, and has been an active supporter of many other political, religious, and community activities. Sembler presently serves on the boards of the International Council of Shopping Centers, American Enterprise Institute, American-Australian Education Leadership Foundation, George Bush Presidential Library Foundation, Republican Jewish Coalition, and the Moffitt Cancer Center.
        [edit] Financial career

        Sembler has served on the Board of Directors of several banks, including the First Bank of Treasure Island, the National Bank, First Union Bank, and presently serves on the Board of Directors of American Momentum Bank. Collectively, he has served on the boards of those banks in excess of 14 years. He founded the Sembler Company, a shopping center development and management firm, and served as the spokesman for the shopping career industry as the 1986-1987 President of the International Council of Shopping Center, where he served for 25 years.
        [edit] Diplomatic career

        In February 1989, President George H.W. Bush appointed Sembler United States Ambassador to Australia and Nauru, where he served for three and a half years. During his tenure as Ambassador, taking a particular interest in encouraging the export to Australia of U.S. goods and services. At the recommendation of the Governor-General of Australia and with the approval of Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II, Sembler was named an Honorary Officer in the Order of Australia at an investiture ceremony in October 2000, recognising achievement or meritorious service to Australia or humanity at large. Also in 2000, Governor Jeb Bush named "Betty Sembler" day in honor of Mel Sembler's wife for her work in fighting drugs.

        Sembler was appointed U.S. Ambassador to Italy by President George W. Bush, being sworn in on 16 November 2001. In February 2005 Sembler had an annex to the US Embassy in Rome named after him (the Mel Sembler Building), an honour never before bestowed on a sitting diplomat, and made possible due to an amendment by Congressman Bill Young to an appropriations bill.[5]

        President George W. Bush appointed Sembler to serve on the Honorary Delegation to accompany him to Jerusalem for the celebration of the 60th anniversary of the State of Israel in May 2008.[6]
        [edit] Allegations of abuse at Straight, Inc.

        In 1976 Sembler and his wife founded Straight, Inc., an adolescent drug treatment program which has treated more than 12,000 addicts. The program is said to have resembled The Seed, an earlier program suspended by the U.S. Senate for its treatment of patients.

        Straight Inc. also became embattled in allegations of abuse, ranging from sleep deprivation, starvation, over exercise, beatings, denial of basic health needs, sexual assault, deprivation of liberty and speech and psychological torture.[7][8]. One publicised case was that of Samantha Monroe, who claimed she endured beatings, rape, forced hunger and was locked in a janitor's closet in pants containing her excrement. She claims her mother was told her daughter was a liar.[4]

        After these claims, the United States Senate revoked the license of STRAIGHT, Inc. in 1993, citing that the government should not be financing "cruel and inhuman behavior modification." It has been suggested prior funding was provided under pressure from Sembler and state senators [9] Sembler's Drug Free America Foundation continues to campaign for hard-line drug policy. Former Governor Jeb Bush of Florida, the brother of President George W. Bush, Former DEA Administrator Karen Tandy, and Congressman Dan Lungren of California are on the advisory board.[10]
        [edit] References

           1. ^ EXECUTIVE CALENDAR (Senate - October 07, 1989)
           2. ^ Mel Sembler and the Advisory Committee, "Message from the Chairman", March 6, 2007, accessed 7 March 2007.
           3. ^ US Senate, Sembler, Melvin, accessed 21 July 2009
           4. ^ a b "Ambassador de Sade"
           5. ^ "Narcissus Is Now Greek AND Roman", Washington Post, March 4 2005
           6. ^ http://www.nysun.com/foreign/bush-visit ... ert/76303/ (http://www.nysun.com/foreign/bush-visit-may-boost-olmert/76303/)
           7. ^ Several dozen former STRAIGHT inmates call talk radio show or write on blog to detail serious beatings, torture, and other physical abuse they say happened at Mel Sembler's drug centers, Archive 1, Mark Levine's Inside Scoop on Washington, November 10 2005
           8. ^ Several dozen former STRAIGHT inmates call talk radio show or write on blog to detail serious beatings, torture, and other physical abuse they say happened at Mel Sembler's drug centers, Archive 2, Mark Levine's Inside Scoop on Washington, November 13 2005
           9. ^ Audit Says Straight Inc. Got Breaks, St. Petersburg Times, July 8, 1993
          10. ^ "Drug Free Foundation, Inc."

        [edit] External links

            * United States Department of State profile
            * Sembler Company bio of Mel Sembler
            * Allegations of Abuse at Straight Inc

        Diplomatic posts
        Preceded by
        Laurence W. Lane    United States Ambassador to Australia
        1989–1993    Succeeded by
        Edward J. Perkins
        Preceded by
        Thomas M. Foglietta    United States Ambassador to Italy
        2001–2005    Succeeded by
        Ronald P. Spogli
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 12, 2010, 05:40:32 PM
        :cheers: That's Big Joes House On Black strap in Falmouth Maine,  I think the Back Widow still lives there. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source= ... -w&split=0 (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=&vps=1&jsv=255b&sll=43.759751,-70.330573&sspn=0.001914,0.003449&gl=us&ie=UTF8&geocode=FUC4mwIdD9fO-w&split=0)

        If you pan to the right and go down it the house with the pool in back and the circle drive 328 blackstrap

         :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 14, 2010, 10:52:49 AM
        Joseph Ricci's Career And Controversy

                                                                                  By Dwight F. Blint - The Hartford Courant



        POLAND, Maine - Joseph Ricci is no stranger to the spotlight.

        In fact, Ricci, a likely defense witness for Michael Skakel, likes it.

        The co-founder of Elan School, a private boarding school for troubled teens, Ricci stands ready to rebut allegations that Skakel, while attending Elan from 1978-80, confessed to the 1975 killing of Martha Moxley.

        Ricci, who has also made headlines as owner of the Scarborough Downs harness racetrack, seems to be a magnet for controversy.

        Ricci, 52, was raised by his grandparents after his father ran out on his then-pregnant mother. He describes himself as a poor kid from Port Chester, N.Y., who never went to college.

        It is his poor upbringing and time spent in state custody that prompts him to rebel against authority, Ricci said.

        ``I'm not the establishment's favorite person,'' Ricci said. ``In my lifetime, I've sued everybody.''

        A former heroin addict, Ricci first garnered public attention in 1970 after moving to Maine and opening Elan, where adolescents with behavorial and substance-abuse problems could get treatment and education.

        Ricci said he got the idea when young people he had worked with in drug-treatment facilities in Massachusetts and Connecticut would graduate from the programs but be unable to find jobs.

        ``We're the only therapeutic community in the United States with a full-blown high school,'' Ricci said.

        The school, which now charges tuition of roughly $40,000 a year, used controversial peer-counseling methods that Ricci learned at other facilities. Practices included students yelling at each other, wearing signs, being forced to clean and boxing matches to work out differences.

        Although Ricci was rough on his students, he said he wanted to make sure everyone else gave them a fair shake.

        One of his first acts after opening Elan, Ricci said, was to sue the Maine Principals Association. He said the high school league tried to block African-American players from participating on his school's teams.

        ``They thought every one of them was a ringer,'' Ricci said.

        But Ricci also has found himself on the defensive.

        In 1975, the Illinois Department of Children and Family Services investigated allegations of abuse at the school. A number of other states, including Connecticut, followed suit.

        There is no record that the charges were substantiated, but the state of Illinois stopped sending students to Elan. Ricci went on a public relations blitz emphasizing that some of those students had sued the state to be returned to Elan.

        In 1996, Ricci lost a sexual-harassment lawsuit filed by a female employee.

        Ricci's success with the school allowed him in 1979 to purchase Scarborough Downs. Since that time, he has waged a public battle with Maine gaming officials and Gov. Angus King over what he calls their practice of clamping down on private gambling while promoting state-sponsored lottery games.

        But it wasn't until 1986, when Ricci made the first of two bids for the Democratic gubernatorial nomination, that his name became a prominent part of Maine's landscape.

        His reputation grew the following year when a federal jury determined that Key Bank had cut off Ricci's credit in 1982 based on false reports that linked him to organized crime. Ricci was awarded $15 million.

        Ricci, who felt that his Italian heritage was being maligned, later settled out-of-court after the bank threatened to appeal the jury award.

        Most recently, Ricci has been tangling with the U.S. Postal Service. Ricci sued the agency, accusing it of engaging in a sweetheart deal with Julian R. Coles, chairman of the Maine Turnpike Authority. Ricci, who wanted a new mail distribution center located on his property, believes that federal officials worked a backroom deal to put the center on a site near property owned by Coles.

        The suit also alleges that a local mail service manager implied Ricci had links to organized crime.

        ``I'm tired of being called a killer,'' Ricci said.

        But Ricci's life is not just about taking on the big guys. He is considered as generous as he is tenacious, an animal lover who gives to charity and a man strongly supported by working-class voters in the state
        Title: FUCK ELAN!!!
        Post by: Eliscu2 on July 14, 2010, 11:15:05 AM
        :twofinger:  ::evil::
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: DannyB II on July 14, 2010, 01:24:17 PM
        Quote from: "mark babitz"
        Joseph Ricci's Career And Controversy

                                                                                  By Dwight F. Blint - The Hartford Courant



        POLAND, Maine - Joseph Ricci is no stranger to the spotlight.

        In fact, Ricci, a likely defense witness for Michael Skakel, likes it.

        The co-founder of Elan School, a private boarding school for troubled teens, Ricci stands ready to rebut allegations that Skakel, while attending Elan from 1978-80, confessed to the 1975 killing of Martha Moxley.

        Ricci, who has also made headlines as owner of the Scarborough Downs harness racetrack, seems to be a magnet for controversy.

        Ricci, 52, was raised by his grandparents after his father ran out on his then-pregnant mother. He describes himself as a poor kid from Port Chester, N.Y., who never went to college.

        It is his poor upbringing and time spent in state custody that prompts him to rebel against authority, Ricci said.

        ``I'm not the establishment's favorite person,'' Ricci said. ``In my lifetime, I've sued everybody.''

        A former heroin addict, Ricci first garnered public attention in 1970 after moving to Maine and opening Elan, where adolescents with behavorial and substance-abuse problems could get treatment and education.

        Ricci said he got the idea when young people he had worked with in drug-treatment facilities in Massachusetts and Connecticut would graduate from the programs but be unable to find jobs.

        ``We're the only therapeutic community in the United States with a full-blown high school,'' Ricci said.

        The school, which now charges tuition of roughly $40,000 a year, used controversial peer-counseling methods that Ricci learned at other facilities. Practices included students yelling at each other, wearing signs, being forced to clean and boxing matches to work out differences.

        Although Ricci was rough on his students, he said he wanted to make sure everyone else gave them a fair shake.

        One of his first acts after opening Elan, Ricci said, was to sue the Maine Principals Association. He said the high school league tried to block African-American players from participating on his school's teams.

        ``They thought every one of them was a ringer,'' Ricci said.

        But Ricci also has found himself on the defensive.

        In 1975, the Illinois Department of Children and Family Services investigated allegations of abuse at the school. A number of other states, including Connecticut, followed suit.

        There is no record that the charges were substantiated, but the state of Illinois stopped sending students to Elan. Ricci went on a public relations blitz emphasizing that some of those students had sued the state to be returned to Elan.

        In 1996, Ricci lost a sexual-harassment lawsuit filed by a female employee.

        Ricci's success with the school allowed him in 1979 to purchase Scarborough Downs. Since that time, he has waged a public battle with Maine gaming officials and Gov. Angus King over what he calls their practice of clamping down on private gambling while promoting state-sponsored lottery games.

        But it wasn't until 1986, when Ricci made the first of two bids for the Democratic gubernatorial nomination, that his name became a prominent part of Maine's landscape.

        His reputation grew the following year when a federal jury determined that Key Bank had cut off Ricci's credit in 1982 based on false reports that linked him to organized crime. Ricci was awarded $15 million.

        Ricci, who felt that his Italian heritage was being maligned, later settled out-of-court after the bank threatened to appeal the jury award.

        Most recently, Ricci has been tangling with the U.S. Postal Service. Ricci sued the agency, accusing it of engaging in a sweetheart deal with Julian R. Coles, chairman of the Maine Turnpike Authority. Ricci, who wanted a new mail distribution center located on his property, believes that federal officials worked a backroom deal to put the center on a site near property owned by Coles.

        The suit also alleges that a local mail service manager implied Ricci had links to organized crime.

        ``I'm tired of being called a killer,'' Ricci said.

        But Ricci's life is not just about taking on the big guys. He is considered as generous as he is tenacious, an animal lover who gives to charity and a man strongly supported by working-class voters in the state


        Mark how long ago was this printed. I happen to know Dwight Blint through my sister, well more accurately, know of him. I had heard about the piece he was going to do on Joe but never read it. This was years ago I believe.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Eliscu2 on July 14, 2010, 02:06:50 PM
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        Quote from: "mark babitz"
        Joseph Ricci's Career And Controversy

                                                                                  By Dwight F. Blint - The Hartford Courant



        POLAND, Maine - Joseph Ricci is no stranger to the spotlight.

        In fact, Ricci, a likely defense witness for Michael Skakel, likes it.

        The co-founder of Elan School, a private boarding school for troubled teens, Ricci stands ready to rebut allegations that Skakel, while attending Elan from 1978-80, confessed to the 1975 killing of Martha Moxley.

        Ricci, who has also made headlines as owner of the Scarborough Downs harness racetrack, seems to be a magnet for controversy.

        Ricci, 52, was raised by his grandparents after his father ran out on his then-pregnant mother. He describes himself as a poor kid from Port Chester, N.Y., who never went to college.

        It is his poor upbringing and time spent in state custody that prompts him to rebel against authority, Ricci said.

        ``I'm not the establishment's favorite person,'' Ricci said. ``In my lifetime, I've sued everybody.''

        A former heroin addict, Ricci first garnered public attention in 1970 after moving to Maine and opening Elan, where adolescents with behavorial and substance-abuse problems could get treatment and education.

        Ricci said he got the idea when young people he had worked with in drug-treatment facilities in Massachusetts and Connecticut would graduate from the programs but be unable to find jobs.

        ``We're the only therapeutic community in the United States with a full-blown high school,'' Ricci said.

        The school, which now charges tuition of roughly $40,000 a year, used controversial peer-counseling methods that Ricci learned at other facilities. Practices included students yelling at each other, wearing signs, being forced to clean and boxing matches to work out differences.

        Although Ricci was rough on his students, he said he wanted to make sure everyone else gave them a fair shake.

        One of his first acts after opening Elan, Ricci said, was to sue the Maine Principals Association. He said the high school league tried to block African-American players from participating on his school's teams.

        ``They thought every one of them was a ringer,'' Ricci said.

        But Ricci also has found himself on the defensive.

        In 1975, the Illinois Department of Children and Family Services investigated allegations of abuse at the school. A number of other states, including Connecticut, followed suit.

        There is no record that the charges were substantiated, but the state of Illinois stopped sending students to Elan. Ricci went on a public relations blitz emphasizing that some of those students had sued the state to be returned to Elan.

        In 1996, Ricci lost a sexual-harassment lawsuit filed by a female employee.

        Ricci's success with the school allowed him in 1979 to purchase Scarborough Downs. Since that time, he has waged a public battle with Maine gaming officials and Gov. Angus King over what he calls their practice of clamping down on private gambling while promoting state-sponsored lottery games.

        But it wasn't until 1986, when Ricci made the first of two bids for the Democratic gubernatorial nomination, that his name became a prominent part of Maine's landscape.

        His reputation grew the following year when a federal jury determined that Key Bank had cut off Ricci's credit in 1982 based on false reports that linked him to organized crime. Ricci was awarded $15 million.

        Ricci, who felt that his Italian heritage was being maligned, later settled out-of-court after the bank threatened to appeal the jury award.

        Most recently, Ricci has been tangling with the U.S. Postal Service. Ricci sued the agency, accusing it of engaging in a sweetheart deal with Julian R. Coles, chairman of the Maine Turnpike Authority. Ricci, who wanted a new mail distribution center located on his property, believes that federal officials worked a backroom deal to put the center on a site near property owned by Coles.

        The suit also alleges that a local mail service manager implied Ricci had links to organized crime.

        ``I'm tired of being called a killer,'' Ricci said.

        But Ricci's life is not just about taking on the big guys. He is considered as generous as he is tenacious, an animal lover who gives to charity and a man strongly supported by working-class voters in the state


        Mark how long ago was this printed. I happen to know Dwight Blint through my sister, well more accurately, know of him. I had heard about the piece he was going to do on Joe but never read it. This was years ago I believe.
        :rofl: http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30611&p=365349&hilit=Cartoon+Croch#p365333
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        Post by: mark babitz on July 14, 2010, 02:18:19 PM
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        I just found this on a search , I don't know the year
         :rocker:  :rocker:  :cheers:  Great to see you back on board " Felice "  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: DannyB II on July 14, 2010, 02:22:40 PM
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        Eliscue2 wrote:
         :rofl: http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30611&p=365349&hilit=Cartoon+Croch#p365333

        Hey Felice, long time no hear. I so happy you were thinking of me to post this, it is pretty funny. Call me I have something I want to discuss with you.
        Take care....
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        Thanks Mark.......
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        Thanks Mark.......


         :rocker: You are very welcome, 328 Blackstrap in Falmouth Maine is his old house I don't know if the Back Widow Terry still lives there or not, but Joe lived large. :rocker:  :rocker:
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        Post by: mark babitz on July 14, 2010, 05:35:42 PM
        NOAH M. RICCI, Plaintiff v. SHARON TERRY, Individually and as Trustee of the Joseph Ricci Trust of 2000, Defendant.

        CIVIL ACTION DOCKET NO. CV-04-056

        SUPERIOR COURT OF MAINE, CUMBERLAND COUNTY

        2004 Me. Super. LEXIS 256

        November 8, 2004, Decided

        DISPOSITION:  

         [*1]  Defendant's Motion to Strike Affidavit of Noah Ricci DENIED. Defendant's Motion for Leave to Correct Reply to Plaintiff's So-Called "Additional Material Facts" GRANTED. Defendant's Motion for Summary Judgment as to Counts I, II and III DENIED. Defendant's Motion for Summary Judgment as Count IV GRANTED.

        JUDGES:   Robert E. Crowley, Justice.

        OPINION BY:   Robert E. Crowley

        OPINION  

        ORDER ON DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT, MOTION TO STRIKE THE AFFIDAVIT OF NOAH RICCI, AND MOTION FOR LEAVE TO FILE CORRECTED REPLY

        FACTUAL BACKGROUND

        This case represents a multi-count challenge to Joseph Ricci's (hereinafter "Decedent") modification of a Declaration of Trust two days before his death.

        On March 28, 2000, Decedent executed a will with a pour-over provision into the Joseph Ricci Trust of 2000 ("the Trust"). The Trust was established under a Declaration of Trust and designated Plaintiff, Noah Ricci, and his brother, Jason Ricci, equal beneficiaries of nearly all the corpus of the Trust (with each receiving a 44% beneficial interest) which included bank accounts, real estate, life insurance and stock in closely held businesses. Decedent's wife of ten months, Defendant Sharon Terry, was to  [*2]  receive the remaining 12% interest by way of a separate marital trust.

        In early January of 2001, Decedent attended a meeting with Attorney Edward MacColl, Attorney John Campbell, Plaintiff Noah Ricci, Defendant Sharon Terry, two accountants and others. During that meeting, the participants discussed the Trust and its possible tax consequences. Possible changes to the Trust were discussed and the parties disagree whether Decedent made any definitive decision on that day to change the Trust or to leave it unchanged.

        On January 24, 2001, the Decedent was admitted to Maine Medical Center, having had a history of lung cancer and complaining of fatigue, extreme breathlessness and flank pain. While in the hospital, regular doses of morphine were administered to the Decedent through an intravenous pump. He was also given the drug Ativan which reduces fearfulness and causes sleepiness. On January 27, 2001 the Decedent was very short of breath and was suffering from air hunger. One of the doctors attending the Decedent interrogated him about his Do Not Resuscitate (DNR) status and the Decedent was unable to answer questions regarding his code or (DNR) status. n1 During that time, the Decedent's  [*3]  neurological status was noted as confused and agitated. The parties dispute whether the decedent was having occasional hallucinations of a black cat running across the hospital room.

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        18-A M.R.S.A. 5802 provides that a person must have "capacity" to make an advance health care directive. Section 5801(C) defines "capacity" as: "the ability to have a basic understanding of the diagnosed condition and to understand the significant benefits, risks and alternatives to the proposed health care and the consequences of foregoing the proposed treatment, the ability to make and communicate a health care decision and the ability to understand the consequences of designating an agent or surrogate to make health-care decisions."
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        On January 27, 2001, in the presence of the plaintiff, the defendant and Attorney John Campbell, the decedent was presented with and signed a document. That document appears to have been the "Amended Declaration of Trust," though there is a dispute as to whether the plaintiff knew the precise nature  [*4]  of the document when it was signed. That document, the validity of which is in issue, purports to establish a marital trust in favor of the defendant comprised of nearly all of Decedent's assets at the time of his death, except only so much of his property (exclusive of stock in corporations) as may pass to his children without generating any estate taxes. There is a dispute as to whether the Decedent later stated that he did now know what he had signed. Decedent died on January 29, 2001.

        Plaintiff has filed the instant action seeking both legal and equitable relief. Count I seeks a declaration that the Decedent lacked sufficient mental capacity to amend the Trust; Count II alleges that defendant exerted undue influence over the decedent and seeks a declaration that, as a result, the amendment is a nullity; Count III alleges that the undue influence exerted by the defendant constitutes tortious interference with plaintiff's 44% expectancy contained in the original Trust; and Count IV alleges breach of fiduciary duty by defendant in her alleged refusal to distribute any proceeds to plaintiff for a period of three and one-half years following the death of decedent. Plaintiff is seeking  [*5]  equitable relief in the form of voiding the amended declaration and reinstating the original Trust or, alternatively, damages for the value of the plaintiff's expectancy.

        The defendant has filed a motion for summary judgment as to all counts. Additionally, the defendant filed a motion to strike the affidavit of the plaintiff, Noah Ricci, claiming that it is self-serving and contains statements that conflict with his prior deposition testimony and responses to interrogatories. Finally, the defendant has filed a motion "for leave to file a corrected reply to plaintiff's so-called 'additional facts' in opposition" to the motion for summary judgment.

        DISCUSSION

        Motion for Leave to File a Corrected Reply

        Although this motion was filed only one day prior to the scheduled hearing on the motion for summary judgment and the plaintiff has therefore not had an opportunity to respond, the proposed corrections relate to remedying typographical errors in the original reply and do not make any substantial substantive changes. After reviewing the original, timely filed, reply as well as the proposed corrected reply, the court GRANTS the defendant's motion.

        Motion to Strike  [*6]  the Affidavit of Noah Ricci

        In the context of summary judgment motion practice in Maine, the Law Court has made clear that a party cannot create a genuine issue of material fact in order to resist summary judgment by submitting an affidavit that clearly contradicts prior sworn testimony without also providing an adequate explanation for the discrepancy. See Zip Lube v. Coastal Sav. Bank, 1998 ME 81, P10, 709 A.2d 733, 735; and Diveto v. Kjellgren, 2004 ME 133, n.11,     A.2d    . The defendant argues that because the Affidavit of Noah Ricci was submitted in response to the defendant's motion for summary judgment and after the close of discovery and because the affidavit contains statements that conflict with Noah Ricci's prior sworn testimony, the plaintiff cannot rely on it to resist summary judgment and the court should strike the affidavit in whole.

        Although the court recognizes this general principle, the circumstances surrounding the submission of the affidavit as well as the alleged contradictions contained in it do not warrant striking the affidavit. First, based on the sequence of events, it is evident that contrary to the  [*7]  defendant's contention, the plaintiff did not wait to submit the affidavit until the close of discovery in an effort to foreclose the defendant's opportunity to respond. The record reveals that, while it is true that the affidavit was submitted after the close of discovery, it also is true that the affidavit was timely provided in response to the defendant's motion for summary judgment. That motion itself was not filed until discovery had closed.

        If the defendant expects to be given an opportunity to conduct further discovery based on an affidavit submitted in response to a motion for summary judgment, she should have moved for summary judgment prior to the close of discovery. The plaintiff cannot reasonably be penalized for submitting materials in opposition to summary judgment solely because those materials were filed after the close of discovery when the defendant dictated the timing and sequence of events through her own conduct.

        Further, although the defendant argues that the affidavit directly conflicts with Noah Ricci's prior sworn testimony, an examination of the record citations provided in support of her arguments do not reveal the sort of direct and material contradiction  [*8]  at issue in the Law Court decisions dealing with this issue. See e.g. Diveto, 2004 ME 133, n.11,     A.2d    . The majority of the statements contained in Mr. Ricci's affidavit and deposition to which the defendant refers represent, at most, some equivocation by Mr. Ricci regarding the precise sequence of events. These equivocations over, for example, who was in the decedent's hospital room at a given time, or what the primary focus of the January 5, 2001 meeting was, do not represent directly contradictory statements about issues material to the resolution of the claims in this case. In addition, although the defendant is correct that there is some discrepancy in Mr. Ricci's affidavit and deposition as to whether he knew precisely what it was the decedent was signing in his hospital bed, this discrepancy is not so material to warrant striking the affidavit.

        The parties do not dispute that the decedent signed the Amended Declaration of Trust while in the hospital, two days prior to his death. Whether the plaintiff was able to identify the document at the time it was signed or only learned of its precise nature later is of little consequence given that  [*9]  the defendant's own Statement of Material Facts state that the decedent "signed the amended declaration at the Maine Medical Center on Saturday, January 27, 2001," two days before his death.

        The Defendant's Motion to Strike the Affidavit of Noah Ricci is therefore DENIED.

        Defendant's Motion for Summary Judgment

        Standard of Review

        Summary judgment is proper where there is no genuine issue of material fact. Rogers v. Jackson, 2002 ME 140, P5, 804 A.2d 379, 380. In considering a motion for summary judgment, the court must "consider the evidence and reasonable inferences that may be drawn from the evidence in the light most favorable to the party against whom the summary judgment [is sought] in order to determine if the parties' statements of material facts and referenced record evidence reveal a genuine issue of material fact." Lever v. Acadia Hosp. Corp., 2004 ME 35, P2, 845 A.2d 1178, 1179. A genuine issue of material fact exists when there is sufficient evidence to require a fact-finder to choose between competing versions of the truth at trial. Id. (citing Burdzel v. Sobus, 2000 ME 84, P6, 750 A.2d 573, 575).  [*10]

        Count I: Lack of Capacity

        With respect to Count I, which seeks a declaration that the decedent lacked the requisite mental capacity to amend the Trust, defendant argues that the plaintiff has not established a genuine issue of material fact as to whether the decedent had the degree of mental capacity necessary to execute a valid amendment. Although it would appear that the Law Court has not yet addressed the question of what degree of mental capacity is necessary to change the terms of a previously authored inter vivos declaration of trust, the defendant argues that the applicable standard in this case is the same as that applied in will contests. Plaintiff, on the other hand, not only argues that he has established a genuine issue of material fact as to this issue but also argues that the degree of mental capacity necessary to validly amend a revocable trust is higher than the "testamentary capacity" standard applied to the execution or amendment of wills.

        In the context of a will contest, courts apply the "testamentary capacity" standard. Under that standard:

        A testator possesses sufficient testamentary capacity if he has, at the time when he executes his will,  [*11]  a sound mind: that is, if he has a knowledge, in a general way, without prompting, of his estate, and an understanding of the disposition he wished to make of it by his will, and of the persons and objects he desired to participate in his bounty.Estate of Mitchell, 443 A.2d 961, 963 (Me. 1982) (quoting In re Will of Loomis, 174 A. 38, 41 (1934)).

        "Testamentary capacity has a low threshold which is easily crossed by a person making a will." Estate of Siebert, 1999 ME 156, P5, 739 A.2d 365, 366. The Law Court has recognized that that standard "give the testator/testatrix a chance to do pretty much what he/she wants to do by way of testamentary devise, provided such person knows that it is a will that is being executed, knows the general nature and extent of the estate, and knows who the natural objects of bounty are." Id. The defendant argues that this is the standard under which the amendment should be reviewed.

        The plaintiff, however, argues that a more exacting "contractual" standard is applicable to amendments of inter vivos revocable trusts. According to the plaintiff, an inter vivos revocable trust, due to its complexity  [*12]  and the fact that it is operative prior to the settlor's death, is more akin to a contract or an annuity policy than a will and therefore requires a higher degree of mental capacity. Under the standard proposed by the plaintiff:

        A person incurs only voidable contractual duties by entering into a transaction if by reason of mental illness or defect: (a) he is unable to understand in a reasonable manner the nature and consequences of the transaction; or (b) he is unable to act in a reasonable manner in relation to the transaction and the other party has reason to know of his condition.Restatement (Second) of Contracts § 15 (1981).

        In support of the applicability of this "contractual" standard, plaintiff cites to a recent Law Court decision in which that court held that, in order to change the designation of beneficiaries on an annuity policy, one must possess a higher degree of mental capacity than when executing a will. See In re: Estate of Marquis, 2003 ME 1971, 822 A.2d 1153.

        Although it has not yet been adopted in Maine, the court looks to section 11 of the Restatement (Third) of Trusts (2003) cmt. b for guidance on this issue. That section states:  [*13]

        [because] the revocable trust serves as a will substitute with respect to all or part of the settlor's estate and has as its primary significance the determination of the persons who will receive the trust property, and in what interests, at the settlor's death … the standards applicable to wills are also applicable in determining whether a revocable trust is valid or fails when later challenged by persons who would otherwise be the settlor's successors in interest.

        Id.

        The similarity in effect of wills and inter vivos revocable trusts of the kind involved here supports the standard articulated in the Restatement. Both are testamentary in nature and concerned with the distribution of the decedent's property after his death. The court, therefore, adopts the approach taken in the Restatement and will apply the "testamentary capacity" standard in this case.

        Under the standard outlined above, plaintiff has established a genuine issue of material fact as to whether the decedent possessed the necessary mental capacity to validly amend the Declaration of Trust on January 27, 2001. Plaintiff has presented facts tending to show that Decedent was suffering from hallucinations;  [*14]  that he didn't know what he was signing; and that he lacked the capacity to make a decision regarding his DNR status. At the very least, there is a genuine issue of fact as to whether the decedent had knowledge "in a general way, without prompting, of his estate, and an understanding of the disposition he wished to make of it by his [trust], and of the persons and objects he desired to participate in his bounty." See In re: Estate of Marquis, 2003 ME 1971, 822 A.2d 1153. n2 Defendant's motion for summary judgment as to Count I, is therefore DENIED.

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        The court notes that Count I, seeking as it does, a declaration by the court that the decedent lacked the requisite mental capacity to amend his declaration of trust rather than money damages, sounds in equity and is not a question for a jury. See Avery v. Whately, 670 A.2d 922, 924-25 (Me. 1996). Pursuant to M.R. Civ. P. 39(d) the court may try this issue with an advisory jury or, with the consent of the parties, try this issue "with a jury whose verdict has the same effect as if trial by jury had been a matter of right." Id. Count I, therefore, will be tried to an advisory jury whose findings, while not binding on the court, may be adopted by it in its discretion.
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         [*15]  Count II: Undue Influence

        In Count II of his complaint, plaintiff seeks a declaratory judgment that the defendant exerted undue influence over the decedent in connection with the execution of the amendment to the Declaration of Trust.

        In Maine, undue influence has been construed to mean ". . . influence in connection with the execution of the will, and operating at the time the will is made, amounting to moral coercions, destroying free agency, or opportunity which could not be resisted, so that the testator, unable to withstand the influence, or too weak to resist it, was constrained to do that which was not his actual will but against it." n3 In re: Estate of Horne, 2003 ME 73, P18, 822 A.2d 1177, 1181 (internal quotations and citations omitted). "The most prominent circumstances regarded as evidence of undue influence are: (1) the existence of a confidential relationship between the testator and the one who is asserted to have influenced him; and (2) the fact that the testator has disposed of his property in an unexpected or unnatural manner." In re: Estate of Bridges, 565 A.2d 316, 317 (Me. 1989). In the presence of these factors,  [*16]  an inference of undue influence may arise though the plaintiff retains the burden to prove undue influence by clear and convincing evidence. Id.

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        Although the court recognizes that the Law Court has drawn distinctions between the burdens of proof and the applicability of presumptions and inferences in the context of will contests and challenged inter vivos transfers of property, because the court is treating the trust at issue here as a will substitute, the inferences and burdens of proof applicable in will contests are similarly applicable here. See e.g. Estate of Lewis, 2001 ME 74, PP5-7, 770 A.2d 619, 622 (explaining that a presumption of undue influence may arise in the context of an inter vivos transfer of property but, in the context of a will contest, only inferences and not presumptions may arise).
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        Maine courts have previously found that undue influence can be found when mental infirmity caused by illness and medication tend to show that a decedent's capacity to resist the influence  [*17]  is diminished. See Estate of Record, 534 A.2d 1319, 1322-23 (Me. 1987). Here, the plaintiff's Opp. S.M.F. establishes that the defendant was the decedent's wife and business partner. Plaintiff has also presented support for the proposition that at the time the amendment to the declaration of trust was executed, the decedent was suffering from mental infirmity and physical distress. Further, plaintiff has established that the disposition of the trust assets under the amendment was markedly different from the disposition contained in the original trust and has presented evidence that the amended disposition was unexpected or unnatural. The plaintiff has, therefore, established a genuine issue of material fact as to whether the amendment was the result of undue influence and the defendant's motion for summary judgment as to Count II is, therefore, be DENIED. n4

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        Although plaintiff has argued that he is entitled to a jury trial on Count II because he is seeking money damages in the alternative, the court finds that Count II is primarily an equitable claim. See DesMarais v. Desjardins, 664 A.2d 840, 844-45 (Me. 1995) (explaining that the essence of a claim is derived from the pleadings and "when the primary recovery pursued is equitable, the inclusion of a request for money damages does not convert the proceeding into an action at law"). Because Count II was initially pled as an equitable claim distinct from the tortious interference claim, the court regards it as such and plaintiff is not entitled to a jury trial by right on Count II. See Avery v. Whately, 670 A.2d 922, 924-25 (Me. 1996) and Cyr v. Cote, 396 A.2d 1013, 1017 (Me. 1979). Count II will therefore be tried to an advisory jury along with Count I. See supra note 2.
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         [*18]  Count III: Tortious Interference with an Expectancy

        Count III alleges that the defendant tortiously interfered with plaintiff's expected inheritance. Plaintiff seeks either a constructive trust or the value of the expectancy. The elements of a tortious interference with an expectancy claim include:

        (1) the existence of an expectancy of inheritance; (2) an intentional interference by a defendant through tortious conduct, such as fraud, duress, or undue influence; (3) a reasonable certainty that the expectancy of inheritance would have been realized but for the defendant's interference; and (4) damage resulting from that interference.Morrill v. Morrill, 1998 ME 133, P5, 712 A.2d 1039, 1041-42. See also Plimpton v. Gerrard, 668 A.2d 882, 885-86 (Me. 1995); and Cyr v. Cote, 396 A.2d 1013, 1018 (Me. 1979).

        In this case, plaintiff's Opp. S.M.F. establishes a genuine issue of material fact as to each one of these elements. He has put forward facts tending to show that, under the original trust, he expected an inheritance; that the defendant, through undue influence, intentionally interfered with that expectancy;  [*19]  that but for defendant's interference, plaintiff would have received the inheritance contained in the original trust; and that he has suffered damage as a result. Defendant's motion for summary judgment as to count III should be DENIED and this count set for a binding jury trial. See Avery v. Whately, 670 A.2d 922 (Me. 1996) (holding that where there are legal and equitable claims in the same action the legal claims should be tried first and the court is bound by the findings of the jury on the legal claims when it later decides claims for equitable relief).

        Count IV: Breach of Fiduciary Duty

        With respect to Count IV, which claims that Defendant Terry in her capacity as Trustee breached her fiduciary duty, plaintiff argues that as trustee of the amended trust, the defendant is a fiduciary and her failure to distribute any income from the trust to the plaintiff constitutes a breach of that duty. He contends that the passage of three and half years since his father's death, without any distribution by defendant reflects a misuse of the trust property. He argues further that because the amended declaration was the product of lack of capacity and undue  [*20]  influence, defendant should not be able to profit from her allegedly improper conduct.

        Defendant argues that plaintiff has failed to produce any witness or other evidence of a breach of her fiduciary duty. She claims that because the plaintiff has not produced any evidence in support of his claim, she is entitled to summary judgment. The defendant also cites to the plaintiff's deposition, in which he concedes that the only basis for the breach of fiduciary duty claim is failure to make disbursements despite his recognition that defendant "really could not make disbursements" given pending claims to trust assets. Defendant argues that without any evidence that she is improvidently overseeing the trust and the trust assets and without any additional grounds for a claim that she has breached her duty as trustee, plaintiff has failed to establish a genuine issue of material fact as to Count IV. The court agrees.

        Plaintiff has not alleged any facts to support a contention that defendant's administration of the amended trust has been improper -- his statement of material facts does not cite to the terms of the amendment nor suggest that any disbursements due under it have gone unpaid.  [*21]  Further, plaintiff has not disputed defendant's claim that the decedent's former wife is seeking to enforce an outstanding alimony order against the trust or their claim that the IRS is asserting claims for taxes against the trust that would make disbursements to beneficiaries improper. The defendant, therefore, is entitled to summary judgment as plaintiff has failed to establish any issue of material fact with regard to whether the terms of the trust are being appropriately carried out. See 18-A M.R.S.A. § 7-302. Defendant's motion for summary judgment as to this count is therefore GRANTED.

        The Role of Attorney MacColl at Trial

        Although this issue has not been raised by motion of the parties, a question was raised at the trial management conference held on September 15, 2004 regarding the role of Attorney MacColl at trial, given the likelihood of his being called as a witness. At the hearing on the defendant's motion for summary judgment, Attorney MacColl confirmed that while he currently represents the defendant, he will likely be called by the defense as a witness at trial. Pursuant to M. Bar R. 3.4(g)(1), which prohibits an attorney from representing a client in  [*22]  pending litigation when the attorney is likely or ought to be called as a witness, the court orders that Attorney MacColl shall not represent the defendant at trial. By agreement of the parties, however, Attorney MacColl may participate fully in any settlement negotiations between the parties.

        The entry is

        Defendant's Motion to Strike the Affidavit of Noah Ricci is DENIED.

        Defendant's Motion for Leave to Correct Reply to Plaintiff's So-Called "Additional Material Facts" is GRANTED.

        Defendant's Motion for Summary Judgment as to Counts I, II and III is DENIED.

        Defendant's Motion for Summary Judgment as Count IV is GRANTED.

        Dated at Portland, Maine this 8th day of November, 2004.

        Robert E. Crowley

        Justice, Superior Court
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: SharonMcCarthy on July 14, 2010, 06:01:10 PM
        Quote from: "DannyB II"
        Quote
        Eliscue2 wrote:
         :rofl: http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30611&p=365349&hilit=Cartoon+Croch#p365333

        Hey Felice, long time no hear. I so happy you were thinking of me to post this, it is pretty funny. Call me I have something I want to discuss with you.
        Take care....
        Felice dont call him he is the devil.......stay far away.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 15, 2010, 10:54:30 PM
        :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: To the Editor: :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:

        . . . Why do child-care workers think they must bribe children? Susan Seidner Adler is on target when she observes the peculiar social-work attitude which so simplistically and absurdly perceives the root of evil in a child as caused by deprivation whose reversal will eliminate the evil.

        No such cause and effect exists. Careful studies in Britain posed the very pertinent question: why don't all children from culturally and economically deprived neighborhoods go bad? . . . The answer was clear: children went “bad” when they were not held accountable for their actions, their time, their behavior. The real indicators of potential problems were not race, single-parent families, class, or levels of parental education, but the extent to which existing parental figures—including the school—expressed their care for children through some clearly communicated, . . . consistently applied code of behavior whose breach would be punished. Discipline is a form of caring. It is that simple. . . .

        Last year, the directors of an institution almost certainly on Mrs. Adler's list visited Elan, the facility for delinquent adolescents of which I am director. They saw—and very much appreciated—a diametrically different philosophy and methodology of treatment. A facility where there was no violence and no drug traffic, where character (not just behavior) was expected to change and did change. It delighted them, and they said so. These are sophisticated, intelligent, highly competent people, not the fools Mrs. Adler makes them out to be. But they regretfully also said that changing things was impossible for them. The New York State bureaucracy would never permit it. How did we manage at Elan? . . .

        The Juvenile Justice Act . . . is largely behind the mess described by Mrs. Adler. It mandates the treatment of juveniles according to arbitrary, irrelevant legal categories rather than medical or psychological problems. Adjudicated delinquents are to be segregated from others (status offenders, the dependent, the neglected, etc., etc.) and hence treated differently. In other words, adolescents are to be treated according to what a defective, overworked, overburdened court system thinks they did, rather than according to what the problem actually is. . . .

        Adjudicated delinquents are to be segregated. They really are on a one-way rail to jail. The others are to get different treatment. As with all excessively punitive laws, we try to evade them. Every decent person in the system tries to avoid the adjudication process. The truly dangerous criminal youth is by law lumped together with (1) the loser who was dumb enough to get caught; or (2) the child who wanted to get caught as a cry for help; or (3) the juvenile whose family can't afford a lawyer; or (4) the child who comes from the wrong side of the tracks, etc., etc. That is why Mrs, Adler's institutions have this frightening, untreatable mixture of the dangerous with the unfortunate, the troubled, the crazy; and with a lot of healthy aggressive children, too. That's why that ridiculous term “emotionally disturbed” was invented and why it is used so assiduously.

        What is “emotionally disturbed” in the real world? About 10-12 percent (I'm guessing, but after lots of experience) are psychotic, i.e., have disordered thoughts, are crazy, and suffer from schizophrenic disease. Another 10 percent are criminally sociopathic. We do not know yet how to treat these groups and cannot always recognize them clearly. The rest are treatable. . . .

        At Elan, we know that a psychotic or a criminal adolescent eats up all our energy, and deprives the treatable of their just share: we cannot mix them with the others. So we do not accept them. But Mrs. Adler's institutions do. They take them all. . . . Dealing with another sector of adolescent care—the high school—Edward A. Wynne has also placed the blame squarely on what I, too, perceive to be the villain: the courts and lawyers. In recent years a whole series of laws, attitudes, and judicial judgments have been created which have led our society—and most certainly our contentious youth—to perceive youngsters as adults with a full range of civil rights which need to be actively protected from . . . infringement by adults in authority. Schools and child-care agencies have been forced into a defensive posture by self-styled advocates who apply the most rigid rulings of civil rights and who assume the malevolence of the institutions toward the child. All authority is seen as evil by these people. . . .

        Schools and other public and publicly-assisted (and therefore publicly legislated) institutions have been left without their communal or authoritative functions: the care implied by the concept in loco parentis has been replaced by legalistic intervention by an uncaring party. I have yet to see a child-advocate lawyer take responsibility for a child's care after rendering an institution powerless to do so in court. Wynne points out the result: “Educators. . . . have abdicated their parental duties and have become mere custodians.” Custodians can only hope for limited, short-term effectiveness, and bribery is the easiest way to achieve their goal. . . .

        In the long run, the legalistic interpretation, and the irresponsible interventions performed in its name, are removing more and more options for the care of disturbed children. Since I co-founded Elan as a residential psychiatric-care facility eleven years ago, we have prided ourselves on providing the highest quality care to a wide spectrum of adolescents, including those referred to us by public and quasi-public agencies. We play no games about defining success: success is a graduate who does not reenter the criminal-justice system, who completes a realistic level of education, and who becomes self-supporting. Our rate has been as phenomenally high as is the recidivism rate of state institutions.

        But no longer. We simply cannot provide quality care while fighting the de-facto malevolent forces of child-right advocates in the twenty-five or more states we serve. Our doors are now open to privately-funded residents only. We, at least, care not to be caretakers. We insist on the role of real healer.

        [Dr.] Gerald E. Davidson
        Elan One
        Poland Spring, Maine



        http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... vZ-fn-Ygyw (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=8&ved=0CC4QFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.commentarymagazine.com%2Fcm%2Fmain%2Fviewarticle.html%3Fid%3D13349%26page%3Dall&ei=Sco_TMSFGoOjnQfX5qD2Bw&usg=AFQjCNErtVO4U6kYmUS5BQ9PvZ-fn-Ygyw)




        http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... 28Jy1CzPUg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=9&ved=0CDEQFjAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.doctorallanach.com%2FAboutMe.en.html&ei=wMo_TIaLOYvqnQfr8-zvBw&usg=AFQjCNH20ybMWX1d9rgCoQPE28Jy1CzPUg)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 16, 2010, 09:24:32 AM
        :rocker:   Let's not forget our Mad Scientist and Medical Director of Elan and one of the biggest reasons for Elan's successes,
        Dr Davidson went to school with the Infamous " Dr Marvin Schwartz  " form Chicago, who was at one time  75% of Elan's referral source., As well as  rumored a private investor too, Dr Schwartz was also a Bar Association Attorney  on top of all of his other involvements in  other  treatment facilities.  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 19, 2010, 03:12:25 PM
        Governor's race becoming Jerry Springer show
        [ALL Edition]
        Bangor Daily News - Bangor, Me.
        Author:    John S. Day
        Date:    Mar 14, 1998
        Start Page:    1
        Text Word Count:    908
        Abstract (Document Summary)

        Until recently it was widely assumed that King, whose favorable polling numbers are among the highest for any governor in the country, would waltz his way to a second term without breaking into a sweat. Democratic U.S. Rep. John Baldacci and House Speaker Libby Mitchell, who might have kicked up some dust, concluded King was unbeatable and opted out of the race. Threadbare Republicans offered up state Rep. Henry Joy, a virtual unknown.

        Former U.S. Rep. James Longley, the son of Maine's first independent governor, who was demonized out of his 1st District congressional seat by AFL-CIO television attack ads two years ago. Longley is itching to even the score with labor bosses by turning Bath Iron Works' public relations fiasco over state tax concessions into a King administration scandal worthy of Monica Lewinsky.

        Joe Ricci, the drug counselor turned racetrack magnate, was awarded one of the largest civil judgments in Maine history for damages from a bank that cut off his line of credit after hearing unfounded rumors Ricci was connected to the Mafia. Since then Ricci has portrayed himself as the target of numerous conspiracies, was sanctioned for shouting obscenities over the Scarborough Downs racetrack loud speaker system and, from time to time, has been forced to defend himself against allegations of disorderly conduct and sexual harassmen
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 19, 2010, 03:16:05 PM
        http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=a ... TNEiGjmJ2w (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=archive&ct=res&cd=1-0&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fid%3Dlv4zAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DLyMIAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D2970%2C386509%26dq%3Dscarborough%2Bdowns%2Bmaine%2Bscandals%26hl%3Den&ei=IqRETPiFG9zyngeKjNGcDg&usg=AFQjCNFotISF2gCymaF62IxWTNEiGjmJ2w)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 19, 2010, 03:22:50 PM
        :rasta:  :rasta: Special Events :rasta:  :rasta:
        Here's what's happening in 2010 at Scarborough Downs...
        Watch this section of the site to keep up with the exciting events happening at the track! All events subject to change.
        JULY

        Sun., July 25th - LIVE RACING: Post time: 1:30 and features the Maine Breeders Stakes 2-year-old Colt Pacers out on the track!
        AUGUST

        Sat., Aug. 7th - Hambletonian Day . $1.5 million in purses! Come witness Harness racing’s biggest day, Live via simulcast from the Meadowlands. Scarborough Downs live racing Post time: 4:00 pm and features the Breeders Stakes 3YO Filly Pacers, The Joe Ricci Memorial Trot – Elimination leg- $10k purse. The Upper Club will be open for watching the races every Friday and Saturday in July & August! Full bar, wagering and concessions menu available.

        Sun., Aug. 8th - 6th Annual Family Fun Day – a Day of Harness Racing Education and Fun for the whole family! Live mare and foal, mini horses, games, prizes, live demonstrations (grooming, horse shoeing, harnessing). Full schedule with times of events to be posted soon – stay tuned! LIVE RACING Post time: 1:30 pm and features The Mildred Williams International Driving Series for Women Drivers to support Breast Cancer Research. Come watch the ladies take the track! We're also grilling BBQ hot dogs and hamburgers out on the apron. Free hotdog for kids under 12 (1 per customer, please).

        Sat., August 14th - The $50,000 Joseph Ricci Memorial Trot Invitational. Come see New England’s premier trotting event, in memory of the late Joe Ricci, Scarborough Downs owner and harness racing benefactor. Prize raffles and 50/50 cash raffle to benefit the Make-A-Wish Foundation of Maine. LIVE RACING Post time: 4:00 pm and also features Breeders Stake Races: 3-year-old Filly Pacers out on the track! Delicious Buffet dining in the Downs Club starting at 3 pm. Price $21.95. Stay tuned for the menu! Plu



        They still celebrate the Great " Joe Ricci "  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 19, 2010, 03:31:28 PM
        http://dailyme.com/story/20100717000009 ... rates.html (http://dailyme.com/story/2010071700000990/happy-60th-bet-scarborough-downs-celebrates.html)




        http://www.nytimes.com/1987/12/27/us/569187.html (http://www.nytimes.com/1987/12/27/us/569187.html)
        Title: Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
        Post by: Joel on July 19, 2010, 05:42:40 PM
        Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 19, 2010, 10:03:12 PM
        Quote from: "Joel"
        Mark if you're a U2 fan:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDkBzkA9 ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDkBzkA9L4s&feature=related)  :rocker:


          :cheers:  :cheers:  U2 does rock and presents themselves very well I think, great video Joel , thanks :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 22, 2010, 02:12:33 AM
        :roflmao:  :clown:  :roflmao:     http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=vY ... elan&hl=en (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=vYcgAAAAIBAJ&sjid=ImUFAAAAIBAJ&pg=4871,2488643&dq=joe+ricci+elan&hl=en)   :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:


         :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 23, 2010, 07:21:21 PM
        :roflmao:

        interesting Message on Elan Board
        Sounds like what happened to our programs!

        -Scott


        Reply Email From John Ricci
        --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        Hello everyone, I hope you are all getting ready for a great summer. I'm doing great.

        John Ricci sent me an email yesterday, asking me to post it (he is having login problems that are being resolved.) Some interesting developments are occuring in Poland.

        Thanks for reading, and thanks for the post, John.

        David Hirsh
        Elan School Survivors



        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
        I recently recieved a phone call from a local contractor who I have done buisness with over the years. He was called by Elan to evaluate/repair a variety of problems throughout the complex. He could not believe the condition of the facility explaining its run down condition, and comparing it to a shanty town. This was no surprise to me as I have recieved many calls over the years from contractor friends seeking payment for services at Elan, thinking perhaps I had some pull with Joe, which we know is nonsense.

        After a brief conversation with my only remaining friend still working at Elan, I learned that the Poland complex need for repair exceeds the value of the property. This coupled with a score of existing liens from suppliers and contractors seeking payment has the Poland property stalled in court. The real estate industry calls this type of property a White Elephant.

        This has already effected the resident population as parents who visit expect better conditions for thier 50K. It was trendy to get well in log cabins in the 1970s, but not in the 00s when you market yourself as a private school for college bound kids.

        Factor into this the incredibly bad press Elan has absorbed of late, and there you have a real mess.

        I expect a slow demise for the Elan School. The gross mismanagment of the facility on a buisiness level has them ankle deep in red ink. I predict that Elan will slowly gear down toward a scheduled date to close. The current owners will liquidate everything and retire. They are at that age, and all of them deserving. Sharon has to be spent from twenty years of running the entire operation and maintaining a relationship with Joe. Jeffrey has upward of thirty years into Elan and is in my opinion one of the few decent directors. Marty was/is the only regional director to have run all facilities at a time when the resident/staff population was at its highest. The program nose dived with him gone in the 80s.

        I clearly see the three of them leaving Elan in the next few years, closing the school and selling the property.

        Thanks, John
         :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 23, 2010, 07:27:52 PM
        :cheers:  :cheers:   http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... izErDnprXQ (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=99&ved=0CC8QFjAIOFo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fnid%3D1899%26dat%3D19831003%26id%3DiQsgAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3Dd2UFAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D1950%2C169985&ei=wyRKTMb0MseFnQeNu43jDQ&usg=AFQjCNEVMVaMZy3KCMLcvofiizErDnprXQ)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: DannyB II on July 23, 2010, 07:29:03 PM
        Quote from: "mark babitz"
        :roflmao:

        interesting Message on Elan Board
        Sounds like what happened to our programs!

        -Scott


        Reply Email From John Ricci
        --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        Hello everyone, I hope you are all getting ready for a great summer. I'm doing great.

        John Ricci sent me an email yesterday, asking me to post it (he is having login problems that are being resolved.) Some interesting developments are occuring in Poland.

        Thanks for reading, and thanks for the post, John.

        David Hirsh
        Elan School Survivors



        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
        I recently recieved a phone call from a local contractor who I have done buisness with over the years. He was called by Elan to evaluate/repair a variety of problems throughout the complex. He could not believe the condition of the facility explaining its run down condition, and comparing it to a shanty town. This was no surprise to me as I have recieved many calls over the years from contractor friends seeking payment for services at Elan, thinking perhaps I had some pull with Joe, which we know is nonsense.

        After a brief conversation with my only remaining friend still working at Elan, I learned that the Poland complex need for repair exceeds the value of the property. This coupled with a score of existing liens from suppliers and contractors seeking payment has the Poland property stalled in court. The real estate industry calls this type of property a White Elephant.

        This has already effected the resident population as parents who visit expect better conditions for thier 50K. It was trendy to get well in log cabins in the 1970s, but not in the 00s when you market yourself as a private school for college bound kids.

        Factor into this the incredibly bad press Elan has absorbed of late, and there you have a real mess.

        I expect a slow demise for the Elan School. The gross mismanagment of the facility on a buisiness level has them ankle deep in red ink. I predict that Elan will slowly gear down toward a scheduled date to close. The current owners will liquidate everything and retire. They are at that age, and all of them deserving. Sharon has to be spent from twenty years of running the entire operation and maintaining a relationship with Joe. Jeffrey has upward of thirty years into Elan and is in my opinion one of the few decent directors. Marty was/is the only regional director to have run all facilities at a time when the resident/staff population was at its highest. The program nose dived with him gone in the 80s.

        I clearly see the three of them leaving Elan in the next few years, closing the school and selling the property.

        Thanks, John
         :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:


        Mark do we have a date of letter, maybe a link?????
        Nice work Mark.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 24, 2010, 12:57:48 AM
        :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  Pan Faces Daddy Died  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:



                               :rocker:             His Dad should have kept him in Statesville  Prison under his care    :rocker:




        Dr. Meyer Kruglik, 95, died peacefully on Sunday, May 9, 2010, in Glenview, Illinois. He pushed himself hard to succeed, and expected nothing less from his children and grandchildren. His parents, Mendel and Sarah, immigrated to America from White Russia in 1909, shortening the family name, Krugliakov, at Ellis Island. Meyer was born November 3, 1914,in Brooklyn, NY. Mendel worked in a candy factory in Buffalo and died when Meyer was 13 years old. Yiddish, spoken at home, was Meyer's first language. Mendel's way of stressing "the importance of an education" was to encourage his son to become either a plumber or a carpenter, finally advising the boy to choose plumbing because it was the more profitable trade. But Meyer had other ideas, and after graduating at age 16 from Hutchinson Tech., a rigorous Buffalo high school, he pursued pre-med studies at Buffalo's Canisius College. In 1934, he moved to Chicago to attend the University of Illinois Medical School, living with the family of Mendel's distant cousin Harry Ginsburg. He fell in love with Harry's daughter Gertrude and wed her after graduating in 1938. Their seventy-one year marriage ended at Gertrude's death in 2009. While serving on the Zuni reservation in New Mexico, Dr. Kruglik was drafted into the US Army immediately after Pearl Harbor and assigned to the psychiatry service at the VA hospital in Chillicothe, Ohio, until after VJ day in 1945. From 1947 until his retirement in 1994 as Chief of Psychiatry, he served at Stateville, the Illinois State Penitentiary. He was a leader in the field of forensic psychiatry and provided expert witness testimony in many criminal cases. In 1966, he developed a psychological and physical profile of the unknown killer of seven student nurses, leading Chicago police to Richard Speck, who was arrested and convicted of the crime. Dr. Kruglik also maintained a private practice on Michigan Avenue throughout his career and taught psychiatry at Chicago Medical School. In retirement, Dr. Kruglik became well known at the Hyatt Classic Residence in the Glen, as a memoir writer, composer of sonnets, playwright of works performed by residents, and ringing-voiced singer. He is survived by four children, Michael (Marla) Kruglik, Dr. Gerald (Barbara Bottner) Kruglik, Sally (Dr. Bruce) Bauer, and [ Martin Kruglik ] ; by grandsons, Dr. Erik (Dr. Amanda F.) Bauer, Geoffrey (Valerie) Kruglik, and Harry Kruglik; by great-grandsons, Carson and Graham Bauer; and by sister-in-law, Evelyn (George) Smith. A small memorial service for Dr. Kruglik will be held at 1 p.m., Wednesday, May 12, 2010, at the care center, Classic Residence by Hyatt, Glenview, IL. Gifts in memory of Dr. Kruglik can be sent to Building One America, 901 S. Plymouth Ct., Unit 1703, Chicago 60605, or to Northshore University Health System, Section of Pediatric Plastic Surgery. The family and friends will gather after 7 p.m. at the Bauer residence, 4418 W. Pratt Ave, Lincolnwood.
        Published in Chicago Tribune on May 12, 201

         :cheers:  Notice how Fan Face is not an Indian by birth and he is mentioned last in the notice.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 24, 2010, 01:04:02 AM
        You are here: ChicagoTribune.com>Collections>Psychiatry
        Forensic psychiatrist 'a probing individual'
        Developed profile that led to arrest of Richard Speck
        May 18, 2010|By Joan Giangrasse Kates, Special to the Tribune
        After eight student nurses were brutally tortured and murdered in a dormitory near South Chicago Community Hospital in Chicago on July 14, 1966, detectives turned to Dr. Meyer Kruglik, a leader in forensic psychiatry, to develop a psychological and physical profile of the unknown killer.

        With the help of Dr. Kruglik, the chief of psychiatry at Stateville, the Illinois state penitentiary near Joliet, Chicago police arrested Richard Speck, an Illinois-born drifter who was raised in Texas and had committed a series of smaller crimes. Speck later was convicted of the murders.

        "He was one of the first people called when the news of the murders hit," said his daughter, Sally Bauer, who was in her teens at the time
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 24, 2010, 01:10:42 AM
        Forensic psychiatrist 'a probing individual'
        By Joan Giangrasse Kates, Special to the Tribune | May 18, 2010
        After eight student nurses were brutally tortured and murdered in a dormitory near South Chicago Community Hospital in Chicago on July 14, 1966, detectives turned to Dr. Meyer Kruglik, a leader in forensic psychiatry, to develop a psychological and physical profile of the unknown killer. With the help of Dr. Kruglik, the chief of psychiatry at Stateville, the Illinois state penitentiary near Joliet, Chicago police arrested Richard Speck, an Illinois-born drifter who was raised in Texas and had committed a series of smaller crime
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 24, 2010, 01:15:35 AM
        :jawdrop:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk8_EMlO ... tube_gdata (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk8_EMlOBOQ&feature=youtube_gdata)  :jawdrop:

                 "  Speck " was one of the most infamous killers in US history and spent his time in Stateville Prison in Illinois
                     He murdered 8 student nurses in the mid 60s




        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17XiOTau ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17XiOTauEQQ&feature=related)   part 2

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8qd2c00 ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8qd2c00t8s&feature=related) part 4

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6AVjzTf ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6AVjzTfw1Q&feature=related)    part 5
        When he went to Prison

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i725FCBJ ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i725FCBJIxA&feature=related) good times in the joint
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 24, 2010, 01:58:13 AM
        :rocker:  :rocker:  http://badlawyernyc.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... t-who.html (http://badlawyernyc.blogspot.com/2010/05/meyer-kruglik-md-psychiatrist-who.html)  :rocker:  


         Now someone tell me" Pan Face "  dont look like his Daddy the prison shrink
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 24, 2010, 10:21:40 AM
        Pan Faces Mommy


        She was among the first group of Americans to open China up to tourism, in the mid 1970's. She traveled extensively to Asia and then Africa, studying and pursuing their eclectic interests in art and culture.

        Her cultural interests started early in 1941 when she lived with the Zuni Indians on a Reservation in New Mexico where Meyer was the local physician.

        Drawing on those interests, they retired to the Southwest and began studying, and supporting Indian and other Western arts.

        Upon moving back to the Chicago area, The Krugliks were among the first residents, in 2002 to open up the Classic Residence by Hyatt, Continual Care Community, in Glenview where they were extremely active residents.

        Gertrude was especially active in Play Reading, and in welcoming and integrating new residents into the community.She remained an avid physical fitness buff right through her late 80's. She is survived by her husband, Dr Meyer Kruglik; her three sons Michael, Dr Gerald and Martin Kruglik; her daughter Sally Kruglik Bauer; Her sister Evelyn Ginsburg Smith and three grandchildren, Dr Erik Bauer, Geoffrey Kruglik and Harry Kruglik and two great grandchildren, Carson and Graham Bauer.

        She will also be greatly missed by her son in law, Dr Bruce Bauer, her daughters in law, Barbara Bottner, and Marla Kruglik, and her granddaughter's in law, Dr Amanda Bauer, and Valerie Kruglik.

        A private memorial was held on June 2nd at the Classic Residence by Hyatt,. Her remains were donated to Anatomical Gifts for scientific research . Donations in her memory can be made to Northshore University Health System, Dept of Plastic Surgery, to benefit Pediatric Plastic/Reconstructive Surgery patients.Make checks out to Northshore Foundation (designated to Pediatric Plastic Surgery) 1033 University Place, Suite 450, Evanston 60201 or to MARC, Metropolitan Area Research Corporation.

        C/O Michael Kruglik 901 S Plymouth Court Apt 1703, Chicago, 60605.

        Sign Guestbook at chicagotribune.com/obituaries

        ***

        This is a paid death notice.



        June 14, 2009
        Gertrude Ginsburg Kruglik was born on September 26, 1918 and died on June 1, 2009.

        On February 6,1938 she married Dr. Meyer Kruglik, her husband of 71 years . She received her BSW from Roosevelt University in 1940.

        Between 1977 and 1994, she served as the Owner/President of Bali Hai Travel.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 24, 2010, 10:40:59 AM
        Pan Faces family members seem to  not even talk to him, they are all friends on Facebook but not with Pan Face
        Siblings,

        Michael
        Gerald
        Sally

        Nephews

        Geoffery
        Harry
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 24, 2010, 04:44:16 PM
        :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 24, 2010, 05:01:17 PM
        RICCI SETTLES HARASSMENT LAWSUIT A JURY AWARDS A FORMER SCARBOROUGH DOWNS EMPLOYEE $102,000. JOSEPH RICCI THEN DECIDES TO SETTLE THE CASE.
        By   Jason Wolfe Staff Writer
        Portland Press Herald (ME) July 12, 1996
        Page 1B

        The owner of Scarborough Downs settled a sexual harassment lawsuit filed by a former employee for an undisclosed sum Thursday after a jury awarded her $102,000 and was about to consider punitive damages.

        Jurors concluded Joseph Ricci, the harness track's owner, sexually harassed Stacey Hagerman during a drunken, vulgarity-filled tirade March 25, 1995, that included a threat to have her killed.
        The jury deliberated for 2 1/2 hours after a spirited closing argument by
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 24, 2010, 05:29:29 PM
        Mar 1994 - Stacey A. Hagerman, who claims Ricci made threats against her life in a vulgarity-laden tirade in March 1994, said she was so upset by the alleged incident that she could not return to a job she had held 11 days. Her lawsuit seeks undisclosed damages. Ricci ...  Show more
        From Track Owner Shrugs Off Lawsuit ($$) - Related web pages
        pqasb.pqarchiver.com/bangor/access/18312546.html?dids=18312546:18312546&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS :FT&type=current&date=Nov+27%2C+1995&author=The...Pres



        Jul 12, 1996 - And we had Ricci going after Stacey A Hagerman who quit her job as a money counter after less than a week because the man who called himself her boss was acting like a lunatic. Hagerman to her credit sued on the grounds that no one not even Joe Ricci has the right to call a ...
        From Portland Press Herald : JOE RICCI DUE BACK ON... ($$) - Related web pages
        docs.newsbank.com/g/GooglePM/ME/lib00081,0EAE9AF066099F2E.html
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 24, 2010, 05:45:32 PM
        :cheers:         Good  Reading          :cheers:

         http://www.med.uscourts.gov/opinions/ho ... 01_sep.pdf (http://www.med.uscourts.gov/opinions/hornby/1998/dbh_2-98cv41_featherson_v_davric_doc01_sep.pdf)



        http://www.med.uscourts.gov/Opinions/Co ... 27_jun.pdf (http://www.med.uscourts.gov/Opinions/Cohen/1998/dmc_2-98cv41_featherson_v._davric_doc27_jun.pdf)


        http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=8S ... rial&hl=en (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=8SYgAAAAIBAJ&sjid=_GoFAAAAIBAJ&pg=1264,1754337&dq=joe+ricci+sexual+harassment+trial&hl=en)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 24, 2010, 05:50:08 PM
        http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=S9 ... rial&hl=en (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=S9ogAAAAIBAJ&sjid=UmsFAAAAIBAJ&pg=3940,711277&dq=joe+ricci+sexual+harassment+trial&hl=en)



        http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/boston/acce ... atl=google (http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/boston/access/50993440.html?dids=50993440:50993440&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Mar+12%2C+2000&author=A.J.+Higgins%2C+GLOBE+CORRESPONDENT&pub=Boston+Globe&desc=IN+MAINE%2C+SCHOOL+OWNER+SPEAKS+OUT+REJECTS+CLAIMS+OF+SKAKEL+CONFESSION&pqatl=google)


        http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/bangor/acce ... atl=google (http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/bangor/access/27360431.html?dids=27360431:27360431&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Mar+14%2C+1998&author=John+S.+Day&pub=Bangor+Daily+News&desc=Governor's+race+becoming+Jerry+Springer+show&pqatl=google)
        Title: Danny Bennison revealed
        Post by: Pile of shit on July 24, 2010, 05:53:18 PM
        http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=2 ... opic=14484 (http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=2234330403&topic=14484)  Danny Bennison revealed

         :jawdrop:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 24, 2010, 06:46:05 PM
        :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:


        Pan Face was a Chicago Jo,  not a Navajo, he was banished like " Fart ". from the family and kept in the closet,  everyone else is successful in business or a Doctor. Pan Face was sent away after his genetics took over, His father was obviously a very creepy guy, a prison shrink for almost 50 years, He came to Stateville Prison in 1947 and Stateville is still one of the worst prisons in America, I was there from 1977-1982,. I never had the pleasure of meeting Dr kruglik but I remember seeing Richard Speck every morning on my way to work in the industry. He would stand in the tunnel by the gym hanging out with his pimp.He was quite a sick fuck to see and the house whore. Pan Face was a straight embarrassment to his family and they sent him away.

        His tree brother and one sister all have Facebook pages  but he is not friended with any of them.
        Pan Face did something pretty bad to cause that banishment. Possibly sexual.??? Why else is he always last even the obituary's.
        Maybe he assaulted  a family member in an improper way?? His dad was a prison shrink Chief Shrink, so who knows the childhood he had that developed him into the freak he is. Pan Face probably feels like he is following in his fathers foot steps working with the next possible " Speck ". He finds some kind of glory in his job he has always come back to.



         
         :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 25, 2010, 10:37:49 AM
        9
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 25, 2010, 10:38:47 AM
        good reading


        http://me.findacase.com/research/wfrmDo ... .ME.htm/qx (http://me.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.%5CME%5C1974%5C19740204_0040011.ME.htm/qx)


        Dave Elder worked at Elan in the 70s and committed suicide eventually , while driving his taxi , Robert Cedre was a friend of his and companion. he was also a witness to this case
        Title: nothing
        Post by: Eliscu2 on July 25, 2010, 11:18:22 AM
        :eek:
        Title: Re: 69 FUKIN PAGES C'MON...........
        Post by: mark babitz on July 25, 2010, 11:50:22 AM
        Quote from: "Eliscu2"
        Quote from: "mark babitz"
        :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:


        Pan Face was a Chicago Jo,  not a Navajo, he was banished like " Fart ". from the family and kept in the closet,  everyone else is successful in business or a Doctor. Pan Face was sent away after his genetics took over, His father was obviously a very creepy guy, a prison shrink for almost 50 years, He came to Stateville Prison in 1947 and Stateville is still one of the worst prisons in America, I was there from 1977-1982,. I never had the pleasure of meeting Dr kruglik but I remember seeing Richard Speck every morning on my way to work in the industry. He would stand in the tunnel by the gym hanging out with his pimp.He was quite a sick fuck to see and the house whore. Pan Face was a straight embarrassment to his family and they sent him away.

        His tree brother and one sister all have Facebook pages  but he is not friended with any of them.
        Pan Face did something pretty bad to cause that banishment. Possibly sexual.??? Why else is he always last even the obituary's.
        Maybe he assaulted  a family member in an improper way?? His dad was a prison shrink Chief Shrink, so who knows the childhood he had that developed him into the freak he is. Pan Face probably feels like he is following in his fathers foot steps working with the next possible " Speck ". He finds some kind of glory in his job he has always come back to.



         
         :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        http://http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fuckheads%20in%20Duckheads
         :beat: http://http://www.corruptusjudicialsystem.com/  :beat:




         :cheers:  1028 post and 16804 views 69 pages I know this thread works and works hard,thank God for infinite web space.
        Elan is a long story with many answers and questions, and lots of research. I have seen much interest by the views and the post. I dont think there is enough web space to tell the true story of Elan because it has hurt so many the story never stops.


        I have watched a couple of people take my post and repost them on their web site like Jeff W on his I went to Elan School


        http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... oxm6xK-MCA (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=9&ved=0CDgQFjAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftheelanschool.tumblr.com%2F&ei=n1xMTIGwKoGBnQf6laXYCw&usg=AFQjCNE8GqBwqDKdSDIsY6LEoxm6xK-MCA)

        Thank you Jeff for using the info, I am always looking and finding more,Jeff is much more professional and talented in his presentation of Elan, So I dont mind being his researcher or anyone else's who really wants to expose Elan .The history of Elan is long but necessary and I am the guy who can and does find the truth.  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:



        PS. are you feeling better Felice ? Thanks for the response and page count your the best. Glad to see you back  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 25, 2010, 12:18:14 PM
        http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... ItVP60oc1g (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=10&ved=0CD8QFjAJ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.merchantcircle.com%2Fbusiness%2FElan.School.207-998-4666%2Freview%2Fread%3Fcid%3D924050&ei=dGBMTNbsNMnSngfd5pHZCw&usg=AFQjCNGEg2SrQH2ImhM_bGmuItVP60oc1g)


        http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... zb2zS26oIw (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=13&ved=0CCgQFjACOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.secretprisonsforteens.dk%2Ffornitswiki%2Findex.php%2FElan_School&ei=SGFMTLSLHNLZnAeC1ZzYCw&usg=AFQjCNHEdhAfdIMjz6vECBZAzb2zS26oIw)


        http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... ZDKZaOv6KA (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=21&ved=0CCAQFjAAOBQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Ftopic.php%3Fuid%3D2234330403%26topic%3D2453&ei=q2FMTOu_BoHlnAeGv6zYCw&usg=AFQjCNGJPeI9Iqve8XxO4hKQZDKZaOv6KA)



        http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... TKI3dQvorQ (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=26&ved=0CDMQFjAFOBQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.canadaspace.com%2Fcnsg.php%3Fq%3DElan%2BSchool&ei=q2FMTOu_BoHlnAeGv6zYCw&usg=AFQjCNEi3_uhPUWL1JyXyaZyTKI3dQvorQ)



         :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
         :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
        Title: nothing
        Post by: Eliscu2 on July 25, 2010, 12:40:06 PM
        :eek:
        Title: Re: Fucking Buffalo and Horses continued......
        Post by: mark babitz on July 26, 2010, 01:29:39 PM
        Quote from: "Eliscu2"
        I WILL BE HOMELESS ON 7/31/2010 I HAVE NO MONEY NO WEED 1 PACK OF SMOKES (HALF GONE) SO I AM A LITTLE SHAKEN UP.
        MY PEICE OF SHIT CAR HAD ANOTHER TOTALLY BLOWN OUT TIRE THE OTHER DAY LUCKILY SOME NICE GENTLMAN STOPPED TO HELP ME PUT THE SPARE ON. STILL ON FUCKEDUPWISCONSIN. LUCKILY THE JUDGE WILL BE BACK IN COURT TOMORROW.
        HOPEFULLY I HAVE GAS TO GET TO THE COURTHOUSE MIGHT HAVE TO STICK OUT MY THUMB AND HITCH-HIKE A RIDE.
        I HAVE LITERRALY 12 YEARS OF EVIDENCE FOR HIM BUT IT'S STASHED ALL OVER THE PLACE BECAUSE THEY KEEP ABUSING ME.
        I SECURE THE EVIDENCE FIRST...I AM A LAW NERD LIKE THAT. JUST SITTING HERE LISTENING TO MY MUSIC.
        http://http://www.megadeth.com/mp3player/ :poison:  :suicide:  :beat:
        "HERE COME THE JUDGE" WAS A LITTLE SONG MY DADDY USED TO SING WHEN I WALKED IN THE ROOM






         :rocker:
        :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:  Your a survivor Felice dont forget that, this is just tempory and will change for the better, you know it will. Hang in there.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 26, 2010, 09:38:35 PM
        :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:


          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... QpvtWLsVpQ (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=20&ved=0CDkQFjAJOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmaine.schooltree.org%2Fprivate%2FElan-009349.html&ei=BzhOTNntLMmTnQeTtuSTAw&usg=AFQjCNHyCPF35DwWHSZ9pvxNQpvtWLsVpQ)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on July 26, 2010, 11:08:18 PM
        TCK> Hi yuh yuh yuh, me suh's adoptive daddy died, hi yuh yuh yuh me suh have gentics from buffalo, mongoloid indian, and fecal matter. Me suh's biological mother was an injun winch. When she suh was impregnanted, a fellow mongoloidist used twigs to spread open her vagina and shat inside her, causing sperm to become contaminated with fecal matter, then me suh started to grow inside her. When me suh was born, me suh was rejected by tribe and outcasted from tribe. Me suh winded up on streets of Chicago an orphan until a Russian imigrint took me suh in and feed me piss and shit. Me suh then called him daddy and me suh would lick his suh pee pee and fuck family gold fish, hi yuh yuh yuh yuh!!!!!
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 27, 2010, 08:58:26 PM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        TCK> Hi yuh yuh yuh, me suh's adoptive daddy died, hi yuh yuh yuh me suh have gentics from buffalo, mongoloid indian, and fecal matter. Me suh's biological mother was an injun winch. When she suh was impregnanted, a fellow mongoloidist used twigs to spread open her vagina and shat inside her, causing sperm to become contaminated with fecal matter, then me suh started to grow inside her. When me suh was born, me suh was rejected by tribe and outcasted from tribe. Me suh winded up on streets of Chicago an orphan until a Russian imigrint took me suh in and feed me piss and shit. Me suh then called him daddy and me suh would lick his suh pee pee and fuck family gold fish, hi yuh yuh yuh yuh!!!!!



        So thats how Pan Face became a little Indian, I thought Dr Kruglik made him in a lab or he was crossbred with some  psychopath that the Dr was studying,
        I was thinking Richard Speck or one of the Dr's subjects knocked up Gertrude, Pan Faces mommy. Hi yuh yuh yuh.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: The Elan Reporter on July 28, 2010, 08:17:07 AM
        Yes TCK sure does look like a science experiment that went wrong. :rofl:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 28, 2010, 11:43:25 PM
        Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
        Yes TCK sure does look like a science experiment that went wrong. :rofl:





        www.chicagotribune.com/features/obituar ... ruglik-2.. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/obituaries/ct-met-0516-obit-kruglik-2..).
        chicagotribune.com
        Forensic psychiatrist 'a probing individual'
        Developed profile that led to arrest of Richard Speck
        By Joan Giangrasse Kates, Special to the Tribune
        May 15, 2010
        After eight student nurses were brutally tortured, raped and murdered in
        a dormitory at South Chicago Community Hospital in Chicago on July 14,
        1966, detectives turned to Dr. Meyer Kruglik, a leader in forensic
        psychiatry, to develop a psychological and physical profile of the
        unknown killer.
        With the help of Dr. Kruglik, the chief of psychiatry at Stateville, the
        Illinois state penitentiary near Joliet, Chicago police arrested Richard
        Speck, an Illinois-born drifter who was raised in Texas and had
        committed a series of smaller crimes. Speck later was convicted of the
        murders.
        "He was one of the first people called when the news of the murders
        hit," said his daughter, Sally Bauer, who was in her teens at the time.
        Dr. Kruglik provided occasional counseling to Speck, who was sent to
        Stateville and died there in 1991. Over the years, he also maintained a
        thriving practice on Michigan Avenue, where his patients included people
        from all walks of life.
        "He was a very probing individual - both professionally and personally,"
        recalled his daughter, with a soft laugh. "When I was young, my
        boyfriends would beg me to be ready on time. Otherwise they'd sit with
        my dad and be interrogated!"
        Dr. Kruglik, 95, a former longtime resident of Evanston and Chicago who
        provided expert testimony on countless criminal cases, died Sunday, May
        9, at his home at Classic Residence by Hyatt at the Glen in Glenview
        from complications related to a brain infection.
        Dr. Kruglik retired from his practice and as chief of psychiatry at
        Stateville in 1994 at age 80.
        "He never wrote his professional memoir, in part because of
        doctor-patient privilege," his daughter said. "But I think it had more
        to do with not wanting to look back - at the horrific crime committed by
        Speck or any of the others he'd worked on."
        The son of Russian immigrants, Dr. Kruglik was born in Brooklyn, N.Y.
        Instead of pursuing plumbing or carpentry as his father wanted, he took
        pre-med classes at Buffalo's Canisius College after graduating at age 16
        from Hutchinson Tech, a rigorous Buffalo high school.
        "From the start, he was one of those students who really lived in his
        head," his daughter said. "He was profoundly thoughtful and reflective.
        He was curious about everything."
        In 1934, Dr. Kruglik moved to Chicago and attended the University of
        Illinois Medical School, living with the family of his father's distant
        cousin, Harry Ginsburg. He fell in love with Harry's daughter Gertrude,
        and the two wed after he graduated medical school in 1938. They were
        married for 71 years until Gertrude's death in 2009.

         :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
         
        While serving on a Zuni Indian reservation in New Mexico, Dr. Kruglik
        was drafted by the Army after Pearl Harbor and worked for the psychiatry
        service at the Veterans Administration hospital in Chillicothe, Ohio,
        until 1945. He then returned to Chicago to teach psychiatry at Chicago
        Medical School for two years, before embarking on a 47-year career at
        Stateville, where he started by conducting interviews with prisoners in
        their cells


                                                      :rocker:  :rocker:          Maybe it was the Zuni reservation that Marty was found on and adopted from  :rocker:  :rocker:


        .
        "He was once taken hostage by an inmate, but was released unharmed," his
        daughter said. "That night he got home very, very late."
        In his retirement, Dr. Kruglik gained a reputation at the Classic
        Residence as a memoir and sonnet writer, singer, and playwright of works
        performed by residents.
        "Meyer was an extraordinarily gifted and interesting person," said
        fellow resident Shelley Bochner. "We were friends for just a short time,
        but it was a true privilege to have known him."
        Dr. Kruglik is also survived by three sons, Michael, Gerald and Martin;
        three grandsons; and two great-grandsons.
        Services have been held.
        Copyright � 2010, Chicago Tribune
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 28, 2010, 11:47:12 PM
        phone conversation for Good ole Marty Posted: 2003-11-19 10:26:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello elan school how may i direct your call? Yes Can I please speak to Martin Kruglik Who shall I say is calling John Richards from trouble teen magizine Please hold while I direct your call Marty answers: Hello this is Martin can I help you? Yes marty I would like to know why you think taping tampons to a 13 year old girls head soaked in ketchup is considered in your eye's thearupitic? And who may I ask is calling? This is John Richards from trouble teen magizine There is a magizine that is actaully for troubled teens available to the public? Yes What do you publish in this magizine John? Look Marty I'll ask the question's here, and I want to know why you feel taping tampons soaked in ketchup to a 13 yard old girls head is considered theaputic? If you are refereing to the way Elan was run back many years ago I really have no comment or recolition of it. So you are denying this ever took place? I'm not denying anything John, it seems like to me you are investigating matters that occured a few decades ago from which I was not employed at the time. How long have you worked at elan Martin? I have been here for around 9 years. Oh really, then why is it there are alot of other people out there that say different? And whom are you refering to John? I'm sorry Martin, but tha is priveleged information. Priveleged information huh?Well then I would have to say you calling up here and asking about students treatments is also priveledge information. Well Martin, did I at any time metion of request former students names? I don't think so. Just out of curiosity John, were you the little bugger that called up here this morning asking Jeffery stupid questions? Jeffery?Who's Jeffery? Would be another one of your cromies employed with you that tapes ketchup soaked tampons to 13 year old girl's heads? Look John I see where this conversation is going and this is must likely nothing but a joke to you. Ummmmm No martin, I don't find it amusing taping tampon's soaked in Ketchup to littel girl's head's. Okay John if you wish to interview me on how things were run in the pat I would be more then gladly sit down with you over a cup of coffee or something, i really don't feel comfortable nor do I have the time to discuss what went on here at the school in the past. So you are not denying it now Marty? No John I'd rather meet you one on one and have this conversation done in a more professional manner. Well Martin. I'm afraid that is not possible considering we are on 2 different time zones here.I usually conduct all conversations via phone call's or internet.Thats the beauty of telephone's and computer's, we can find out and conduct interviews in the comfort of our office's without havin to travel all around the world.Geese Marty you make it sound like you are living in the 18th century back in the cowboy's and Indian's era. I dont know who I'm talking to first of all, for all I know you could be some hotshot lawyer looking to incriminate the school for your own personal gain. Marty I told you who I am, I'm John Richards and I'm with the Troubled Teen Magizine. Okay John. Marty care to comment on allegations of child molestation that has been made public about you? If you are refering to some of those anti-elan site's that are out on the net it seems to me that there is someone out there that hold's grudges against me and the school and are truly a sick individual.I have never performed any lewd act on any under age person, let's just get that straight. Oh so but you have performed lewd acts on people that were of age? Am I getting this all correct? John, when you are part of a school that focusses on teens that are emtional disturbed inviduals. heavy thearopy is needed to help those peple out.There is many individuals that go through our school and are unsucessful on changing their lives and allowing us to help them.In turn, there will always be someone out there rebeling against us because we tried to get in their minds and see what was going on, wait let me rephrase that, we try to help change their thought process so that they can live a successful productive life when they leave our school. Oh so you brainwash teens in other words? If you want to call it that John then so be it.We try to help them live better lives. Marty, you mentioned that there are alot of people that have went through your program and were unsucessful and now hold a grudge.So why is it you advertise your website "Elan School" having such a high success rate? John,I am not at liberty to discuss Elan's personal growth stastic's with you, if you like you could call back and speak with the school's adminisrator and perhaps he could help you with answering most of your questions. I didn't call you Martin to discuss stastic's, I wanted to discuss your idea and methods that you consider treatments.I consider them abuse and I do speak for everyone else out there on the internet.The reason I called you is I have read alot of unethical treatments that you carried out on trouble teens in the past and you are avoiding mos of my questions and lying about your employment with Elan. I'm lying about my employment John?How am I lying to you about my employment? Marty you told me that you only have worked at Elan for 9 years, that would put you back to the year of 1994. Yes, I started working at Elan in 1994 John. Then why is it your name was mentioned about the Skakel incident which occurreed way back before 1994?From my understanding you have been employed with Elan corp, since the 70's. John I went through the elan program back in the early 70's and graduated.I briefly worked part time at Elan after I graduated 4 years later, but that was only part time and wasn't for very long. Aout how long did you work for Elan after 4 years of graduating the program Martin? Not very long John, maybe 6 months.I went back to school to get a degree and worked in another state helping out troubled teens? Might I ask you what other places you have worked at ? It's really no concern to you John.The point is what ever you have heard or have read about me whether its in the newspaper or the internet, chances are none of it is true and none of it can and will not be proved in any court's. Court's? Why all the sudden are you sounding so concerened about court's Marty? Sounds like to me you have alot to hide form me.Are there people out there trying to take you to court Marty? Look John, I have alot of things I have to get down today and this phone conversation is taking up my time a little too much.If you want to come to the school and meet with me face to face and sit down and interview me it can be arranged, otherwise I would appreciate it if you would not call her anymore to seek out stories for your magizine.We the staff at elan are caring individuals and we provide the best in care that is available today unlike other school and insititution's.Care that was provided 3 decades ago at Elan was very different and since then has been improved.So that is all I have to say to you John. Ok Martin, I will document that you avoided most of my question's and denying working at elan during the seventies, or wait, was it only for 6 months as you have stated?I'm sure that there will be alot of former resident's that will be quite interested in what you had to say today. Ok John you have a nice day...... Marty hangs up at this point.Well for those of you that went through the program and knew Marty I guess you can be the judges on how much he was lying to me on the phone.Far as I know this son of a bitch has been working at elan since the early 70's


        .             Phone call to Clare Posted: 2003-11-19 11:28:00   -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good afternoon Elan school how may I direct your call? Yes could I please speak to Clare Woodman please? Who shall I say is calling? John Richards. Please hold. Hello this is Clare can I help you? Clare, Clare Woodman? Yes this is she. Well hello Clare,my name is John Richards and I am with the troubled Teen magizine and wanted to ask you a few questions about how a person like yourself landed a job at Elan. A person like myself? Yes Clare. And what kind of person am I? I don't know you tell me Clare?I don't want to be politically incorrect with you over the phone. Politically incorrect????? Well to be Frank with you Clare, I have read many stories about you in the last year about you being a call girl,a hooker, a prostitute and also a madam, so which is it. Is this Dan Bostdorf? No this is John Richards with trouble teen magizine No I think its you Dan.Look Dan, by harassing Me.Marty , and Jeffery you just make yourself look ridiculous.Why di you feel the need to call us at work and ask us stupid little questions?Are you planning on publishing another book about elan? Look Clare, my name is John Richards, I am calling on behalf on allegations that you were involved with prostituion and somehow landed a jod working at elan with troubled teens and would like to know how a street Hooker like yourself is able to go from prostituion to counsling trouble teens? " A moment of silence" Hello, Clare are you still there? Yes I am here Dan,Dan you are so low.It's bad enough that you publish a stupid book called a duck in a raincoat whcih by the way makes no sense to anyone.And you go to websites and try to push it on former elan resdients and now you call up here asking outrageous questions to myself, Marty, and Jeffery.What kind of man are you Dan? Look Clare, I told you 2 times already my name is John Richards, I am not Dan Bostdorf.Perhaps everything said about you is true then, you swallowed too much cum and are an airhead. Okay Dan this conversation is over.Do not call here again. Clare hangs up the phone and sounded really p1ssed off.


             I just called Elan and finally spoke to Jeff, I asked him why he screamed like a little bitch "General Meeting" when someone insulted him? jeff's response, "who is this" my response, " who is this doesnt matter" Jeff's response" why are you calling me and what do you want" my response" I want to know why you screamed like a little bitch and use the general meeting as a weapon against teenagers" jeff's response, " i have nothing to say to you about that" click, he hangs up. I call back, " Hello elan school can I help you", "Yes i would like to speak to Jeffery corruptlieb" Elan operator response. You mean Jeffery gottlieb?" me response, "yes he goes by that name aslo" Elan" He is in a meeting right now can I take a message?" my response, "wow I just got of the phone with him 30 seconds before speaking to you. he called a general meeting that fast?, is he yelling at defenseless teenagers once again?" Ealn "Sir, this is a thearupic school and we help out troubled kids that need guidence, if you would like to leave a message for jeffery I would gladly pass it on to him" my response "yeah tell Jeffery I think he is an asshole and he also sounds like a little bitch when he screams, house in the dining room for a general meeting"


            2003-11-19 22:31:00    The phone call to Tania Merret  Posted: 2003-11-19 11:04:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good afternoon Elan school how may I direct your call? Yes I would like to speak to Tony Merret? Tony Merret? We don't have a Tony Merret that works here, there is a Tania Merret that works here. Ah yes That's it, Tony was the given birth name before it had a name and gender change. Tania is Tony ? You got me confused. Ok Tania Merret was born a man, went by the name Tony Merret.He had a sex and name changed and became Tania Marret.Now Tania is refered to as an "IT" "The operator giggles on the phone to me" I'm sorry but Tania is not available today can I take a message? No, I have no message for her at the time but I will try back another day. Okay , have a nice day.


                        Early morning wake up call to ElanPosted: 2003-11-19 23:28:00    its 1:43 am and I decided to call elan. Hello this is Jacob can I help you? Yes is this the Elan school? Yes it is. HI, I was wondering who is the over night director that is working? That would be Mr.Rowe. Peter Rowe? Yes thats him oh Can I please speak to Peter? He is already sleeping and is unavailable to come to the phone. What? He is sleeping on the job??? "Jacob starts to giggle" Yes he has already went to bed, is there anything I could help you with sir? Yes jacob a a matter of fact you can.How long have you worked there at Elan? Oh I have been working the overnight shift for about 1 1/2 years now. So Jacob what could you tell me about little 13 year old girls having ketchup soaked tampons taped all over their heads?This is a practice that was once used as a thearputic method by Marty Kruglik and still might be a current method be used to this date. Well sir I don't know anything about what goes on here during the day.I work the night shift and see to that the night shift runs smoothly and everyone is safe and secure. Tell me something jacob, where are you located right now? I'm located in the main house in an office. Are you in the house that says elan 3 bulldogs? Yes I am. Would there be any corner people housed on the first floor this evening? No everyone is up in their dorms sound asleep with the exception of the owl that is pulling. Do you know the staff members that work at Elan during the day? Not personally but know all their names if that is what you mean. Yes that is exactly what I meant Jacob. Are you aware jacob, that the staff members that wok at Elan are criminals and sex offenders? No I did not know hat sir.By the way I didn't catch your name? Oh my name is John Richards, I'm with troubled teen magizine. Please to meet you John. Are you sure about that Jacob?I am actaually labled as a mortal enemy to most of the staff that work at Elan, you might not be so plased to have met me after the questions I need to ask you. Well John I work the night shift and what goes on here duroing the day is not part of my daily routine and responsibilites.I do know that there are consqueneces that can be harsh for student's that don't follow policy. WEll jacob what do you know about Clare Woodman that is a director that works durin the day? I have met clare a few times and seems to be an ok person in my book. Want the truth Jacob? The truth about what? About Clare Jacob? Sure lets hear it. Clare woodman is a prostitute and landed a job at Elan because she had sex with the former owner which now is a dead man. She was Joe Ricci's mistress. Oh my. Yes clare was his personal slut sex slave and use to have sex with joe all the time in a trailor the elan once had on the campus. oh my. Clare also use to have her clients which we will refer to as "Johns" comw to the school when she was working and she woul perform sexual acts for them. Oh my. And if you think that is bad wait to you hear about what Marty Kruglik use to do. Oh my, I don't know if I should be listening to anymore. Wait jacob, I think you should know about what use to go on at Elan many years back and might still be going on to this very date. Well continue then John. Marty Kruglik use to have homosexual relations and eat fecal matter with a teacher named Mr. Alboro in the old school house.They ould stick chalk up each other's buttholes and catch stray cats and sodomize them. Oh my Lord!!!! Yes they were some sick individuals. That is very nasty thing to do. Marty loves it though. Jeffery Gottlieb screams like a little bitch becuase many years ago he was in prison and was a huge blow up doll for all the inmates.They rammed their penis so hard up his ass that it made his voice tone sound like a woman when he yells. "Jacob is laughing on the phone" Jacob did you happen to notice if Peter Rowe was wearing pink slippers and went to sleep with a dildo up his ass before he turned in this evening? HaHaHa No I didn't John. I hear Peter Rowe loves playing with dildo's before he goes to sleep at night because he's gay. I try not to know too much about people and their preferences. Well Jacob it is getting late for me and I have this huge article I have to write tomorrow.Would you be kind enough to leave a message for Marty for me? Sure John. Tell Marty that the little boy he raped, I have located him and he is all grown up now and can't wait to pay him a visit. oh John I can't tell Marty that, I could loose my job. Ok then just tell Marty John Richards ssys "What comes around goes around" and " it all comes out in the wash" Marty will know what that means. I will write him a note and make sure he gets that John. Well it was a pleasure talking to you Jacob. Same here John. Goodnight Jacob You take care now John. Good bye.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
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        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: DannyB II on July 29, 2010, 12:06:47 AM
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        phone conversation for Good ole Marty Posted: 2003-11-19 10:26:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello elan school how may i direct your call? Yes Can I please speak to Martin Kruglik Who shall I say is calling John Richards from trouble teen magazine Please hold while I direct your call Marty answers: Hello this is Martin can I help you? Yes Marty I would like to know why you think taping tampons to a 13 year old girls head soaked in ketchup is considered in your eye's therapeutic? And who may I ask is calling? This is John Richards from trouble teen magazine There is a magazine that is actually for troubled teens available to the public? Yes What do you publish in this magazine John? Look Marty I'll ask the question's here, and I want to know why you feel taping tampons soaked in ketchup to a 13 yard old girls head is considered therapeutic? If you are referring to the way Elan was run back many years ago I really have no comment or recollection of it. So you are denying this ever took place? I'm not denying anything John, it seems like to me you are investigating matters that occurred a few decades ago from which I was not employed at the time. How long have you worked at Elan Martin? I have been here for around 9 years. Oh really, then why is it there are a lot of other people out there that say different? And whom are you referring to John? I'm sorry Martin, but that is privileged information. Privileged information huh?Well then I would have to say you calling up here and asking about students treatments is also privileged information. Well Martin, did I at any time mention of request former students names? I don't think so. Just out of curiosity John, were you the little bugger that called up here this morning asking Jeffery stupid questions? Jeffery?Who's Jeffery? Would be another one of your cronies employed with you that tapes ketchup soaked tampons to 13 year old girl's heads? Look John I see where this conversation is going and this is must likely nothing but a joke to you. Ummmmm No martin, I don't find it amusing taping tampon's soaked in Ketchup to little girl's head's. Okay John if you wish to interview me on how things were run in the pat I would be more then gladly sit down with you over a cup of coffee or something, i really don't feel comfortable nor do I have the time to discuss what went on here at the school in the past. So you are not denying it now Marty? No John I'd rather meet you one on one and have this conversation done in a more professional manner. Well Martin. I'm afraid that is not possible considering we are on 2 different time zones here.I usually conduct all conversations via phone calls or internet.Thats the beauty of telephone's and computer's, we can find out and conduct interviews in the comfort of our office's without having to travel all around the world.Geese Marty you make it sound like you are living in the 18th century back in the cowboy's and Indian's era. I don't know who I'm talking to first of all, for all I know you could be some hotshot lawyer looking to incriminate the school for your own personal gain. Marty I told you who I am, I'm John Richards and I'm with the Troubled Teen Magazine. Okay John. Marty care to comment on allegations of child molestation that has been made public about you? If you are referring to some of those anti-Elan site's that are out on the net it seems to me that there is someone out there that holds grudges against me and the school and are truly a sick individual.I have never performed any lewd act on any under age person, let's just get that straight. Oh so but you have performed lewd acts on people that were of age? Am I getting this all correct? John, when you are part of a school that focuses on teens that are emotional disturbed individuals. Heavy therapy is needed to help those people out.There is many individuals that go through our school and are unsuccessful on changing their lives and allowing us to help them.In turn, there will always be someone out there rebelling against us because we tried to get in their minds and see what was going on, wait let me rephrase that, we try to help change their thought process so that they can live a successful productive life when they leave our school. Oh so you brainwash teens in other words? If you want to call it that John then so be it.We try to help them live better lives. Marty, you mentioned that there are a lot of people that have went through your program and were unsuccessful and now hold a grudge.So why is it you advertise your website "Elan School" having such a high success rate? John,I am not at liberty to discuss Elan's personal growth statistics with you, if you like you could call back and speak with the school's administrator and perhaps he could help you with answering most of your questions. I didn't call you Martin to discuss statistic's, I wanted to discuss your idea and methods that you consider treatments.I consider them abuse and I do speak for everyone else out there on the internet.The reason I called you is I have read a lot of unethical treatments that you carried out on trouble teens in the past and you are avoiding mos of my questions and lying about your employment with Elan. I'm lying about my employment John?How am I lying to you about my employment? Marty you told me that you only have worked at Elan for 9 years, that would put you back to the year of 1994. Yes, I started working at Elan in 1994 John. Then why is it your name was mentioned about the Skakel incident which occurred way back before 1994?From my understanding you have been employed with Elan corp, since the 70's. John I went through the Elan program back in the early 70's and graduated.I briefly worked part time at Elan after I graduated 4 years later, but that was only part time and wasn't for very long. Aout how long did you work for Elan after 4 years of graduating the program Martin? Not very long John, maybe 6 months.I went back to school to get a degree and worked in another state helping out troubled teens? Might I ask you what other places you have worked at ? It's really no concern to you John.The point is what ever you have heard or have read about me whether its in the newspaper or the internet, chances are none of it is true and none of it can and will not be proved in any court's. Court's? Why all the sudden are you sounding so concerned about court's Marty? Sounds like to me you have alot to hide form me.Are there people out there trying to take you to court Marty? Look John, I have alot of things I have to get down today and this phone conversation is taking up my time a little too much.If you want to come to the school and meet with me face to face and sit down and interview me it can be arranged, otherwise I would appreciate it if you would not call her anymore to seek out stories for your magazine.We the staff at elan are caring individuals and we provide the best in care that is available today unlike other school and institution's.Care that was provided 3 decades ago at Elan was very different and since then has been improved.So that is all I have to say to you John. Ok Martin, I will document that you avoided most of my question's and denying working at Elan during the seventies, or wait, was it only for 6 months as you have stated?I'm sure that there will be a lot of former resident's that will be quite interested in what you had to say today. Ok John you have a nice day...... Marty hangs up at this point.Well for those of you that went through the program and knew Marty I guess you can be the judges on how much he was lying to me on the phone.Far as I know this son of a bitch has been working at Elan since the early 70's


        .             Phone call to Clare Posted: 2003-11-19 11:28:00   -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good afternoon Elan school how may I direct your call? Yes could I please speak to Clare Woodman please? Who shall I say is calling? John Richards. Please hold. Hello this is Clare can I help you? Clare, Clare Woodman? Yes this is she. Well hello Clare,my name is John Richards and I am with the troubled Teen magazine and wanted to ask you a few questions about how a person like yourself landed a job at Elan. A person like myself? Yes Clare. And what kind of person am I? I don't know you tell me Clare?I don't want to be politically incorrect with you over the phone. Politically incorrect????? Well to be Frank with you Clare, I have read many stories about you in the last year about you being a call girl,a hooker, a prostitute and also a madam, so which is it. Is this Dan Bostdorf? No this is John Richards with trouble teen magazine No I think its you Dan.Look Dan, by harassing Me.Marty , and Jeffery you just make yourself look ridiculous.Why did you feel the need to call us at work and ask us stupid little questions?Are you planning on publishing another book about Elan? Look Clare, my name is John Richards, I am calling on behalf on allegations that you were involved with prostitution and somehow landed a job working at Elan with troubled teens and would like to know how a street Hooker like yourself is able to go from prostitution to counseling trouble teens? " A moment of silence" Hello, Clare are you still there? Yes I am here Dan,Dan you are so low.It's bad enough that you publish a stupid book called a duck in a raincoat which by the way makes no sense to anyone.And you go to websites and try to push it on former Elan residents and now you call up here asking outrageous questions to myself, Marty, and Jeffery.What kind of man are you Dan? Look Clare, I told you 2 times already my name is John Richards, I am not Dan Bostdorf.Perhaps everything said about you is true then, you swallowed too much cum and are an airhead. Okay Dan this conversation is over.Do not call here again. Clare hangs up the phone and sounded really p1ssed off.


             I just called Elan and finally spoke to Jeff, I asked him why he screamed like a little bitch "General Meeting" when someone insulted him? Jeff's response, "who is this" my response, " who is this doesn't matter" Jeff's response" why are you calling me and what do you want" my response" I want to know why you screamed like a little bitch and use the general meeting as a weapon against teenagers" Jeff's response, " i have nothing to say to you about that" click, he hangs up. I call back, " Hello Elan school can I help you", "Yes i would like to speak to Jeffery Corruptlieb" Elan operator response. You mean Jeffery Gottlieb?" me response, "yes he goes by that name also" Elan" He is in a meeting right now can I take a message?" my response, "wow I just got of the phone with him 30 seconds before speaking to you. he called a general meeting that fast?, is he yelling at defenseless teenagers once again?" Elan "Sir, this is a therapeutic school and we help out troubled kids that need guidance, if you would like to leave a message for Jeffery I would gladly pass it on to him" my response "yeah tell Jeffery I think he is an asshole and he also sounds like a little bitch when he screams, house in the dining room for a general meeting"


            2003-11-19 22:31:00    The phone call to Tania Merret  Posted: 2003-11-19 11:04:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good afternoon Elan school how may I direct your call? Yes I would like to speak to Tony Merret? Tony Merret? We don't have a Tony Merret that works here, there is a Tania Merret that works here. Ah yes That's it, Tony was the given birth name before it had a name and gender change. Tania is Tony ? You got me confused. Ok Tania Merret was born a man, went by the name Tony Merret.He had a sex and name changed and became Tania Marret.Now Tania is referred to as an "IT" "The operator giggles on the phone to me" I'm sorry but Tania is not available today can I take a message? No, I have no message for her at the time but I will try back another day. Okay , have a nice day.


                        Early morning wake up call to Elan Posted: 2003-11-19 23:28:00    its 1:43 am and I decided to call Elan. Hello this is Jacob can I help you? Yes is this the Elan school? Yes it is. HI, I was wondering who is the over night director that is working? That would be Mr.Rowe. Peter Rowe? Yes thats him oh Can I please speak to Peter? He is already sleeping and is unavailable to come to the phone. What? He is sleeping on the job??? "Jacob starts to giggle" Yes he has already went to bed, is there anything I could help you with sir? Yes Jacob a a matter of fact you can.How long have you worked there at Elan? Oh I have been working the overnight shift for about 1 1/2 years now. So Jacob what could you tell me about little 13 year old girls having ketchup soaked tampons taped all over their heads?This is a practice that was once used as a therapeutic method by Marty Kruglik and still might be a current method be used to this date. Well sir I don't know anything about what goes on here during the day.I work the night shift and see to that the night shift runs smoothly and everyone is safe and secure. Tell me something Jacob, where are you located right now? I'm located in the main house in an office. Are you in the house that says Elan 3 bulldogs? Yes I am. Would there be any corner people housed on the first floor this evening? No everyone is up in their dorms sound asleep with the exception of the owl that is pulling. Do you know the staff members that work at Elan during the day? Not personally but know all their names if that is what you mean. Yes that is exactly what I meant Jacob. Are you aware Jacob, that the staff members that wok at Elan are criminals and sex offenders? No I did not know hat sir.By the way I didn't catch your name? Oh my name is John Richards, I'm with troubled teen magazine. Please to meet you John. Are you sure about that Jacob?I am actually labeled as a mortal enemy to most of the staff that work at Elan, you might not be so pleased to have met me after the questions I need to ask you. Well John I work the night shift and what goes on here during the day is not part of my daily routine and responsibilities.I do know that there are consequences that can be harsh for student's that don't follow policy. Will Jacob what do you know about Clare Woodman that is a director that works during the day? I have met clare a few times and seems to be an ok person in my book. Want the truth Jacob? The truth about what? About Clare Jacob? Sure lets hear it. Clare woodman is a prostitute and landed a job at Elan because she had sex with the former owner which now is a dead man. She was Joe Ricci's mistress. Oh my. Yes Clare was his personal slut sex slave and use to have sex with Joe all the time in a trailer the Elan once had on the campus. oh my. Clare also use to have her clients which we will refer to as "Johns" come to the school when she was working and she would perform sexual acts for them. Oh my. And if you think that is bad wait to you hear about what Marty Kruglik use to do. Oh my, I don't know if I should be listening to anymore. Wait Jacob, I think you should know about what use to go on at Elan many years back and might still be going on to this very date. Well continue then John. Marty Kruglik use to have homosexual relations and eat fecal matter with a teacher named Mr. Alboro in the old school house.They ould stick chalk up each other's butt holes and catch stray cats and sodomize them. Oh my Lord!!!! Yes they were some sick individuals. That is very nasty thing to do. Marty loves it though. Jeffery Gottlieb screams like a little bitch because many years ago he was in prison and was a huge blow up doll for all the inmates.They rammed their penis so hard up his ass that it made his voice tone sound like a woman when he yells. "Jacob is laughing on the phone" Jacob did you happen to notice if Peter Rowe was wearing pink slippers and went to sleep with a dildo up his ass before he turned in this evening? HaHaHa No I didn't John. I hear Peter Rowe loves playing with dildo's before he goes to sleep at night because he's gay. I try not to know too much about people and their preferences. Well Jacob it is getting late for me and I have this huge article I have to write tomorrow.Would you be kind enough to leave a message for Marty for me? Sure John. Tell Marty that the little boy he raped, I have located him and he is all grown up now and can't wait to pay him a visit. oh John I can't tell Marty that, I could loose my job. Ok then just tell Marty John Richards says "What comes around goes around" and " it all comes out in the wash" Marty will know what that means. I will write him a note and make sure he gets that John. Well it was a pleasure talking to you Jacob. Same here John. Goodnight Jacob You take care now John. Good bye.

        Some story, Why is everyone on Peter Rowes ass. Because of his coverage during the Michael Skakels trial.
        Just ask'in.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 29, 2010, 09:02:33 AM
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        phone conversation for Good ole Marty Posted: 2003-11-19 10:26:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello elan school how may i direct your call? Yes Can I please speak to Martin Kruglik Who shall I say is calling John Richards from trouble teen magazine Please hold while I direct your call Marty answers: Hello this is Martin can I help you? Yes Marty I would like to know why you think taping tampons to a 13 year old girls head soaked in ketchup is considered in your eye's therapeutic? And who may I ask is calling? This is John Richards from trouble teen magazine There is a magazine that is actually for troubled teens available to the public? Yes What do you publish in this magazine John? Look Marty I'll ask the question's here, and I want to know why you feel taping tampons soaked in ketchup to a 13 yard old girls head is considered therapeutic? If you are referring to the way Elan was run back many years ago I really have no comment or recollection of it. So you are denying this ever took place? I'm not denying anything John, it seems like to me you are investigating matters that occurred a few decades ago from which I was not employed at the time. How long have you worked at Elan Martin? I have been here for around 9 years. Oh really, then why is it there are a lot of other people out there that say different? And whom are you referring to John? I'm sorry Martin, but that is privileged information. Privileged information huh?Well then I would have to say you calling up here and asking about students treatments is also privileged information. Well Martin, did I at any time mention of request former students names? I don't think so. Just out of curiosity John, were you the little bugger that called up here this morning asking Jeffery stupid questions? Jeffery?Who's Jeffery? Would be another one of your cronies employed with you that tapes ketchup soaked tampons to 13 year old girl's heads? Look John I see where this conversation is going and this is must likely nothing but a joke to you. Ummmmm No martin, I don't find it amusing taping tampon's soaked in Ketchup to little girl's head's. Okay John if you wish to interview me on how things were run in the pat I would be more then gladly sit down with you over a cup of coffee or something, i really don't feel comfortable nor do I have the time to discuss what went on here at the school in the past. So you are not denying it now Marty? No John I'd rather meet you one on one and have this conversation done in a more professional manner. Well Martin. I'm afraid that is not possible considering we are on 2 different time zones here.I usually conduct all conversations via phone calls or internet.Thats the beauty of telephone's and computer's, we can find out and conduct interviews in the comfort of our office's without having to travel all around the world.Geese Marty you make it sound like you are living in the 18th century back in the cowboy's and Indian's era. I don't know who I'm talking to first of all, for all I know you could be some hotshot lawyer looking to incriminate the school for your own personal gain. Marty I told you who I am, I'm John Richards and I'm with the Troubled Teen Magazine. Okay John. Marty care to comment on allegations of child molestation that has been made public about you? If you are referring to some of those anti-Elan site's that are out on the net it seems to me that there is someone out there that holds grudges against me and the school and are truly a sick individual.I have never performed any lewd act on any under age person, let's just get that straight. Oh so but you have performed lewd acts on people that were of age? Am I getting this all correct? John, when you are part of a school that focuses on teens that are emotional disturbed individuals. Heavy therapy is needed to help those people out.There is many individuals that go through our school and are unsuccessful on changing their lives and allowing us to help them.In turn, there will always be someone out there rebelling against us because we tried to get in their minds and see what was going on, wait let me rephrase that, we try to help change their thought process so that they can live a successful productive life when they leave our school. Oh so you brainwash teens in other words? If you want to call it that John then so be it.We try to help them live better lives. Marty, you mentioned that there are a lot of people that have went through your program and were unsuccessful and now hold a grudge.So why is it you advertise your website "Elan School" having such a high success rate? John,I am not at liberty to discuss Elan's personal growth statistics with you, if you like you could call back and speak with the school's administrator and perhaps he could help you with answering most of your questions. I didn't call you Martin to discuss statistic's, I wanted to discuss your idea and methods that you consider treatments.I consider them abuse and I do speak for everyone else out there on the internet.The reason I called you is I have read a lot of unethical treatments that you carried out on trouble teens in the past and you are avoiding mos of my questions and lying about your employment with Elan. I'm lying about my employment John?How am I lying to you about my employment? Marty you told me that you only have worked at Elan for 9 years, that would put you back to the year of 1994. Yes, I started working at Elan in 1994 John. Then why is it your name was mentioned about the Skakel incident which occurred way back before 1994?From my understanding you have been employed with Elan corp, since the 70's. John I went through the Elan program back in the early 70's and graduated.I briefly worked part time at Elan after I graduated 4 years later, but that was only part time and wasn't for very long. Aout how long did you work for Elan after 4 years of graduating the program Martin? Not very long John, maybe 6 months.I went back to school to get a degree and worked in another state helping out troubled teens? Might I ask you what other places you have worked at ? It's really no concern to you John.The point is what ever you have heard or have read about me whether its in the newspaper or the internet, chances are none of it is true and none of it can and will not be proved in any court's. Court's? Why all the sudden are you sounding so concerned about court's Marty? Sounds like to me you have alot to hide form me.Are there people out there trying to take you to court Marty? Look John, I have alot of things I have to get down today and this phone conversation is taking up my time a little too much.If you want to come to the school and meet with me face to face and sit down and interview me it can be arranged, otherwise I would appreciate it if you would not call her anymore to seek out stories for your magazine.We the staff at elan are caring individuals and we provide the best in care that is available today unlike other school and institution's.Care that was provided 3 decades ago at Elan was very different and since then has been improved.So that is all I have to say to you John. Ok Martin, I will document that you avoided most of my question's and denying working at Elan during the seventies, or wait, was it only for 6 months as you have stated?I'm sure that there will be a lot of former resident's that will be quite interested in what you had to say today. Ok John you have a nice day...... Marty hangs up at this point.Well for those of you that went through the program and knew Marty I guess you can be the judges on how much he was lying to me on the phone.Far as I know this son of a bitch has been working at Elan since the early 70's


        .             Phone call to Clare Posted: 2003-11-19 11:28:00   -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good afternoon Elan school how may I direct your call? Yes could I please speak to Clare Woodman please? Who shall I say is calling? John Richards. Please hold. Hello this is Clare can I help you? Clare, Clare Woodman? Yes this is she. Well hello Clare,my name is John Richards and I am with the troubled Teen magazine and wanted to ask you a few questions about how a person like yourself landed a job at Elan. A person like myself? Yes Clare. And what kind of person am I? I don't know you tell me Clare?I don't want to be politically incorrect with you over the phone. Politically incorrect????? Well to be Frank with you Clare, I have read many stories about you in the last year about you being a call girl,a hooker, a prostitute and also a madam, so which is it. Is this Dan Bostdorf? No this is John Richards with trouble teen magazine No I think its you Dan.Look Dan, by harassing Me.Marty , and Jeffery you just make yourself look ridiculous.Why did you feel the need to call us at work and ask us stupid little questions?Are you planning on publishing another book about Elan? Look Clare, my name is John Richards, I am calling on behalf on allegations that you were involved with prostitution and somehow landed a job working at Elan with troubled teens and would like to know how a street Hooker like yourself is able to go from prostitution to counseling trouble teens? " A moment of silence" Hello, Clare are you still there? Yes I am here Dan,Dan you are so low.It's bad enough that you publish a stupid book called a duck in a raincoat which by the way makes no sense to anyone.And you go to websites and try to push it on former Elan residents and now you call up here asking outrageous questions to myself, Marty, and Jeffery.What kind of man are you Dan? Look Clare, I told you 2 times already my name is John Richards, I am not Dan Bostdorf.Perhaps everything said about you is true then, you swallowed too much cum and are an airhead. Okay Dan this conversation is over.Do not call here again. Clare hangs up the phone and sounded really p1ssed off.


             I just called Elan and finally spoke to Jeff, I asked him why he screamed like a little bitch "General Meeting" when someone insulted him? Jeff's response, "who is this" my response, " who is this doesn't matter" Jeff's response" why are you calling me and what do you want" my response" I want to know why you screamed like a little bitch and use the general meeting as a weapon against teenagers" Jeff's response, " i have nothing to say to you about that" click, he hangs up. I call back, " Hello Elan school can I help you", "Yes i would like to speak to Jeffery Corruptlieb" Elan operator response. You mean Jeffery Gottlieb?" me response, "yes he goes by that name also" Elan" He is in a meeting right now can I take a message?" my response, "wow I just got of the phone with him 30 seconds before speaking to you. he called a general meeting that fast?, is he yelling at defenseless teenagers once again?" Elan "Sir, this is a therapeutic school and we help out troubled kids that need guidance, if you would like to leave a message for Jeffery I would gladly pass it on to him" my response "yeah tell Jeffery I think he is an asshole and he also sounds like a little bitch when he screams, house in the dining room for a general meeting"


            2003-11-19 22:31:00    The phone call to Tania Merret  Posted: 2003-11-19 11:04:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good afternoon Elan school how may I direct your call? Yes I would like to speak to Tony Merret? Tony Merret? We don't have a Tony Merret that works here, there is a Tania Merret that works here. Ah yes That's it, Tony was the given birth name before it had a name and gender change. Tania is Tony ? You got me confused. Ok Tania Merret was born a man, went by the name Tony Merret.He had a sex and name changed and became Tania Marret.Now Tania is referred to as an "IT" "The operator giggles on the phone to me" I'm sorry but Tania is not available today can I take a message? No, I have no message for her at the time but I will try back another day. Okay , have a nice day.


                        Early morning wake up call to Elan Posted: 2003-11-19 23:28:00    its 1:43 am and I decided to call Elan. Hello this is Jacob can I help you? Yes is this the Elan school? Yes it is. HI, I was wondering who is the over night director that is working? That would be Mr.Rowe. Peter Rowe? Yes thats him oh Can I please speak to Peter? He is already sleeping and is unavailable to come to the phone. What? He is sleeping on the job??? "Jacob starts to giggle" Yes he has already went to bed, is there anything I could help you with sir? Yes Jacob a a matter of fact you can.How long have you worked there at Elan? Oh I have been working the overnight shift for about 1 1/2 years now. So Jacob what could you tell me about little 13 year old girls having ketchup soaked tampons taped all over their heads?This is a practice that was once used as a therapeutic method by Marty Kruglik and still might be a current method be used to this date. Well sir I don't know anything about what goes on here during the day.I work the night shift and see to that the night shift runs smoothly and everyone is safe and secure. Tell me something Jacob, where are you located right now? I'm located in the main house in an office. Are you in the house that says Elan 3 bulldogs? Yes I am. Would there be any corner people housed on the first floor this evening? No everyone is up in their dorms sound asleep with the exception of the owl that is pulling. Do you know the staff members that work at Elan during the day? Not personally but know all their names if that is what you mean. Yes that is exactly what I meant Jacob. Are you aware Jacob, that the staff members that wok at Elan are criminals and sex offenders? No I did not know hat sir.By the way I didn't catch your name? Oh my name is John Richards, I'm with troubled teen magazine. Please to meet you John. Are you sure about that Jacob?I am actually labeled as a mortal enemy to most of the staff that work at Elan, you might not be so pleased to have met me after the questions I need to ask you. Well John I work the night shift and what goes on here during the day is not part of my daily routine and responsibilities.I do know that there are consequences that can be harsh for student's that don't follow policy. Will Jacob what do you know about Clare Woodman that is a director that works during the day? I have met clare a few times and seems to be an ok person in my book. Want the truth Jacob? The truth about what? About Clare Jacob? Sure lets hear it. Clare woodman is a prostitute and landed a job at Elan because she had sex with the former owner which now is a dead man. She was Joe Ricci's mistress. Oh my. Yes Clare was his personal slut sex slave and use to have sex with Joe all the time in a trailer the Elan once had on the campus. oh my. Clare also use to have her clients which we will refer to as "Johns" come to the school when she was working and she would perform sexual acts for them. Oh my. And if you think that is bad wait to you hear about what Marty Kruglik use to do. Oh my, I don't know if I should be listening to anymore. Wait Jacob, I think you should know about what use to go on at Elan many years back and might still be going on to this very date. Well continue then John. Marty Kruglik use to have homosexual relations and eat fecal matter with a teacher named Mr. Alboro in the old school house.They ould stick chalk up each other's butt holes and catch stray cats and sodomize them. Oh my Lord!!!! Yes they were some sick individuals. That is very nasty thing to do. Marty loves it though. Jeffery Gottlieb screams like a little bitch because many years ago he was in prison and was a huge blow up doll for all the inmates.They rammed their penis so hard up his ass that it made his voice tone sound like a woman when he yells. "Jacob is laughing on the phone" Jacob did you happen to notice if Peter Rowe was wearing pink slippers and went to sleep with a dildo up his ass before he turned in this evening? HaHaHa No I didn't John. I hear Peter Rowe loves playing with dildo's before he goes to sleep at night because he's gay. I try not to know too much about people and their preferences. Well Jacob it is getting late for me and I have this huge article I have to write tomorrow.Would you be kind enough to leave a message for Marty for me? Sure John. Tell Marty that the little boy he raped, I have located him and he is all grown up now and can't wait to pay him a visit. oh John I can't tell Marty that, I could loose my job. Ok then just tell Marty John Richards says "What comes around goes around" and " it all comes out in the wash" Marty will know what that means. I will write him a note and make sure he gets that John. Well it was a pleasure talking to you Jacob. Same here John. Goodnight Jacob You take care now John. Good bye.

        Some story, Why is everyone on Peter Rowes ass. Because of his coverage during the Michael Skakels trial.
        Just ask'in.




                                  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:   I dont know Danny, I just print what I find.  lol lol.
        This was in some old articles I found looking for Pan Face Marty, His father was quite a scary person with out doubt and so was and is Pan Face's life. I wounder if he did something to his sister,? She reads like daddy's little girl in most references by daddy articles. I dont know ?. I do know he came from a family of great means and social stature, So what ever he did must have been pretty bad and embarrassing to his family for them to banish him. Daddy worked with the insane and Pan Face was too much to deal with ??? I think we can only imagine, it's all in print so I cant think any other way. Daddy was better equipped than Elan according to his published credential. So why couldn't  he control Pan Face ? or why did he want to??? .
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        phone conversation for Good ole Marty Posted: 2003-11-19 10:26:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello elan school how may i direct your call? Yes Can I please speak to Martin Kruglik Who shall I say is calling John Richards from trouble teen magazine Please hold while I direct your call Marty answers: Hello this is Martin can I help you? Yes Marty I would like to know why you think taping tampons to a 13 year old girls head soaked in ketchup is considered in your eye's therapeutic? And who may I ask is calling? This is John Richards from trouble teen magazine There is a magazine that is actually for troubled teens available to the public? Yes What do you publish in this magazine John? Look Marty I'll ask the question's here, and I want to know why you feel taping tampons soaked in ketchup to a 13 yard old girls head is considered therapeutic? If you are referring to the way Elan was run back many years ago I really have no comment or recollection of it. So you are denying this ever took place? I'm not denying anything John, it seems like to me you are investigating matters that occurred a few decades ago from which I was not employed at the time. How long have you worked at Elan Martin? I have been here for around 9 years. Oh really, then why is it there are a lot of other people out there that say different? And whom are you referring to John? I'm sorry Martin, but that is privileged information. Privileged information huh?Well then I would have to say you calling up here and asking about students treatments is also privileged information. Well Martin, did I at any time mention of request former students names? I don't think so. Just out of curiosity John, were you the little bugger that called up here this morning asking Jeffery stupid questions? Jeffery?Who's Jeffery? Would be another one of your cronies employed with you that tapes ketchup soaked tampons to 13 year old girl's heads? Look John I see where this conversation is going and this is must likely nothing but a joke to you. Ummmmm No martin, I don't find it amusing taping tampon's soaked in Ketchup to little girl's head's. Okay John if you wish to interview me on how things were run in the pat I would be more then gladly sit down with you over a cup of coffee or something, i really don't feel comfortable nor do I have the time to discuss what went on here at the school in the past. So you are not denying it now Marty? No John I'd rather meet you one on one and have this conversation done in a more professional manner. Well Martin. I'm afraid that is not possible considering we are on 2 different time zones here.I usually conduct all conversations via phone calls or internet.Thats the beauty of telephone's and computer's, we can find out and conduct interviews in the comfort of our office's without having to travel all around the world.Geese Marty you make it sound like you are living in the 18th century back in the cowboy's and Indian's era. I don't know who I'm talking to first of all, for all I know you could be some hotshot lawyer looking to incriminate the school for your own personal gain. Marty I told you who I am, I'm John Richards and I'm with the Troubled Teen Magazine. Okay John. Marty care to comment on allegations of child molestation that has been made public about you? If you are referring to some of those anti-Elan site's that are out on the net it seems to me that there is someone out there that holds grudges against me and the school and are truly a sick individual.I have never performed any lewd act on any under age person, let's just get that straight. Oh so but you have performed lewd acts on people that were of age? Am I getting this all correct? John, when you are part of a school that focuses on teens that are emotional disturbed individuals. Heavy therapy is needed to help those people out.There is many individuals that go through our school and are unsuccessful on changing their lives and allowing us to help them.In turn, there will always be someone out there rebelling against us because we tried to get in their minds and see what was going on, wait let me rephrase that, we try to help change their thought process so that they can live a successful productive life when they leave our school. Oh so you brainwash teens in other words? If you want to call it that John then so be it.We try to help them live better lives. Marty, you mentioned that there are a lot of people that have went through your program and were unsuccessful and now hold a grudge.So why is it you advertise your website "Elan School" having such a high success rate? John,I am not at liberty to discuss Elan's personal growth statistics with you, if you like you could call back and speak with the school's administrator and perhaps he could help you with answering most of your questions. I didn't call you Martin to discuss statistic's, I wanted to discuss your idea and methods that you consider treatments.I consider them abuse and I do speak for everyone else out there on the internet.The reason I called you is I have read a lot of unethical treatments that you carried out on trouble teens in the past and you are avoiding mos of my questions and lying about your employment with Elan. I'm lying about my employment John?How am I lying to you about my employment? Marty you told me that you only have worked at Elan for 9 years, that would put you back to the year of 1994. Yes, I started working at Elan in 1994 John. Then why is it your name was mentioned about the Skakel incident which occurred way back before 1994?From my understanding you have been employed with Elan corp, since the 70's. John I went through the Elan program back in the early 70's and graduated.I briefly worked part time at Elan after I graduated 4 years later, but that was only part time and wasn't for very long. Aout how long did you work for Elan after 4 years of graduating the program Martin? Not very long John, maybe 6 months.I went back to school to get a degree and worked in another state helping out troubled teens? Might I ask you what other places you have worked at ? It's really no concern to you John.The point is what ever you have heard or have read about me whether its in the newspaper or the internet, chances are none of it is true and none of it can and will not be proved in any court's. Court's? Why all the sudden are you sounding so concerned about court's Marty? Sounds like to me you have alot to hide form me.Are there people out there trying to take you to court Marty? Look John, I have alot of things I have to get down today and this phone conversation is taking up my time a little too much.If you want to come to the school and meet with me face to face and sit down and interview me it can be arranged, otherwise I would appreciate it if you would not call her anymore to seek out stories for your magazine.We the staff at elan are caring individuals and we provide the best in care that is available today unlike other school and institution's.Care that was provided 3 decades ago at Elan was very different and since then has been improved.So that is all I have to say to you John. Ok Martin, I will document that you avoided most of my question's and denying working at Elan during the seventies, or wait, was it only for 6 months as you have stated?I'm sure that there will be a lot of former resident's that will be quite interested in what you had to say today. Ok John you have a nice day...... Marty hangs up at this point.Well for those of you that went through the program and knew Marty I guess you can be the judges on how much he was lying to me on the phone.Far as I know this son of a bitch has been working at Elan since the early 70's


        .             Phone call to Clare Posted: 2003-11-19 11:28:00   -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good afternoon Elan school how may I direct your call? Yes could I please speak to Clare Woodman please? Who shall I say is calling? John Richards. Please hold. Hello this is Clare can I help you? Clare, Clare Woodman? Yes this is she. Well hello Clare,my name is John Richards and I am with the troubled Teen magazine and wanted to ask you a few questions about how a person like yourself landed a job at Elan. A person like myself? Yes Clare. And what kind of person am I? I don't know you tell me Clare?I don't want to be politically incorrect with you over the phone. Politically incorrect????? Well to be Frank with you Clare, I have read many stories about you in the last year about you being a call girl,a hooker, a prostitute and also a madam, so which is it. Is this Dan Bostdorf? No this is John Richards with trouble teen magazine No I think its you Dan.Look Dan, by harassing Me.Marty , and Jeffery you just make yourself look ridiculous.Why did you feel the need to call us at work and ask us stupid little questions?Are you planning on publishing another book about Elan? Look Clare, my name is John Richards, I am calling on behalf on allegations that you were involved with prostitution and somehow landed a job working at Elan with troubled teens and would like to know how a street Hooker like yourself is able to go from prostitution to counseling trouble teens? " A moment of silence" Hello, Clare are you still there? Yes I am here Dan,Dan you are so low.It's bad enough that you publish a stupid book called a duck in a raincoat which by the way makes no sense to anyone.And you go to websites and try to push it on former Elan residents and now you call up here asking outrageous questions to myself, Marty, and Jeffery.What kind of man are you Dan? Look Clare, I told you 2 times already my name is John Richards, I am not Dan Bostdorf.Perhaps everything said about you is true then, you swallowed too much cum and are an airhead. Okay Dan this conversation is over.Do not call here again. Clare hangs up the phone and sounded really p1ssed off.


             I just called Elan and finally spoke to Jeff, I asked him why he screamed like a little bitch "General Meeting" when someone insulted him? Jeff's response, "who is this" my response, " who is this doesn't matter" Jeff's response" why are you calling me and what do you want" my response" I want to know why you screamed like a little bitch and use the general meeting as a weapon against teenagers" Jeff's response, " i have nothing to say to you about that" click, he hangs up. I call back, " Hello Elan school can I help you", "Yes i would like to speak to Jeffery Corruptlieb" Elan operator response. You mean Jeffery Gottlieb?" me response, "yes he goes by that name also" Elan" He is in a meeting right now can I take a message?" my response, "wow I just got of the phone with him 30 seconds before speaking to you. he called a general meeting that fast?, is he yelling at defenseless teenagers once again?" Elan "Sir, this is a therapeutic school and we help out troubled kids that need guidance, if you would like to leave a message for Jeffery I would gladly pass it on to him" my response "yeah tell Jeffery I think he is an asshole and he also sounds like a little bitch when he screams, house in the dining room for a general meeting"


            2003-11-19 22:31:00    The phone call to Tania Merret  Posted: 2003-11-19 11:04:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good afternoon Elan school how may I direct your call? Yes I would like to speak to Tony Merret? Tony Merret? We don't have a Tony Merret that works here, there is a Tania Merret that works here. Ah yes That's it, Tony was the given birth name before it had a name and gender change. Tania is Tony ? You got me confused. Ok Tania Merret was born a man, went by the name Tony Merret.He had a sex and name changed and became Tania Marret.Now Tania is referred to as an "IT" "The operator giggles on the phone to me" I'm sorry but Tania is not available today can I take a message? No, I have no message for her at the time but I will try back another day. Okay , have a nice day.


                        Early morning wake up call to Elan Posted: 2003-11-19 23:28:00    its 1:43 am and I decided to call Elan. Hello this is Jacob can I help you? Yes is this the Elan school? Yes it is. HI, I was wondering who is the over night director that is working? That would be Mr.Rowe. Peter Rowe? Yes thats him oh Can I please speak to Peter? He is already sleeping and is unavailable to come to the phone. What? He is sleeping on the job??? "Jacob starts to giggle" Yes he has already went to bed, is there anything I could help you with sir? Yes Jacob a a matter of fact you can.How long have you worked there at Elan? Oh I have been working the overnight shift for about 1 1/2 years now. So Jacob what could you tell me about little 13 year old girls having ketchup soaked tampons taped all over their heads?This is a practice that was once used as a therapeutic method by Marty Kruglik and still might be a current method be used to this date. Well sir I don't know anything about what goes on here during the day.I work the night shift and see to that the night shift runs smoothly and everyone is safe and secure. Tell me something Jacob, where are you located right now? I'm located in the main house in an office. Are you in the house that says Elan 3 bulldogs? Yes I am. Would there be any corner people housed on the first floor this evening? No everyone is up in their dorms sound asleep with the exception of the owl that is pulling. Do you know the staff members that work at Elan during the day? Not personally but know all their names if that is what you mean. Yes that is exactly what I meant Jacob. Are you aware Jacob, that the staff members that wok at Elan are criminals and sex offenders? No I did not know hat sir.By the way I didn't catch your name? Oh my name is John Richards, I'm with troubled teen magazine. Please to meet you John. Are you sure about that Jacob?I am actually labeled as a mortal enemy to most of the staff that work at Elan, you might not be so pleased to have met me after the questions I need to ask you. Well John I work the night shift and what goes on here during the day is not part of my daily routine and responsibilities.I do know that there are consequences that can be harsh for student's that don't follow policy. Will Jacob what do you know about Clare Woodman that is a director that works during the day? I have met clare a few times and seems to be an ok person in my book. Want the truth Jacob? The truth about what? About Clare Jacob? Sure lets hear it. Clare woodman is a prostitute and landed a job at Elan because she had sex with the former owner which now is a dead man. She was Joe Ricci's mistress. Oh my. Yes Clare was his personal slut sex slave and use to have sex with Joe all the time in a trailer the Elan once had on the campus. oh my. Clare also use to have her clients which we will refer to as "Johns" come to the school when she was working and she would perform sexual acts for them. Oh my. And if you think that is bad wait to you hear about what Marty Kruglik use to do. Oh my, I don't know if I should be listening to anymore. Wait Jacob, I think you should know about what use to go on at Elan many years back and might still be going on to this very date. Well continue then John. Marty Kruglik use to have homosexual relations and eat fecal matter with a teacher named Mr. Alboro in the old school house.They ould stick chalk up each other's butt holes and catch stray cats and sodomize them. Oh my Lord!!!! Yes they were some sick individuals. That is very nasty thing to do. Marty loves it though. Jeffery Gottlieb screams like a little bitch because many years ago he was in prison and was a huge blow up doll for all the inmates.They rammed their penis so hard up his ass that it made his voice tone sound like a woman when he yells. "Jacob is laughing on the phone" Jacob did you happen to notice if Peter Rowe was wearing pink slippers and went to sleep with a dildo up his ass before he turned in this evening? HaHaHa No I didn't John. I hear Peter Rowe loves playing with dildo's before he goes to sleep at night because he's gay. I try not to know too much about people and their preferences. Well Jacob it is getting late for me and I have this huge article I have to write tomorrow.Would you be kind enough to leave a message for Marty for me? Sure John. Tell Marty that the little boy he raped, I have located him and he is all grown up now and can't wait to pay him a visit. oh John I can't tell Marty that, I could loose my job. Ok then just tell Marty John Richards says "What comes around goes around" and " it all comes out in the wash" Marty will know what that means. I will write him a note and make sure he gets that John. Well it was a pleasure talking to you Jacob. Same here John. Goodnight Jacob You take care now John. Good bye.

        Some story, Why is everyone on Peter Rowes ass. Because of his coverage during the Michael Skakels trial.
        Just ask'in.




                                  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:   I dont know Danny, I just print what I find.  lol lol.
        This was in some old articles I found looking for Pan Face Marty, His father was quite a scary person with out doubt and so was and is Pan Face's life. I wounder if he did something to his sister,? She reads like daddy's little girl in most references by daddy articles. I dont know ?. I do know he came from a family of great means and social stature, So what ever he did must have been pretty bad and embarrassing to his family for them to banish him. Daddy worked with the insane and Pan Face was too much to deal with ??? I think we can only imagine, it's all in print so I cant think any other way. Daddy was better equipped than Elan according to his published credential. So why couldn't  he control Pan Face ? or why did he want to??? .
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on July 29, 2010, 10:35:54 PM
        :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  Cool Video  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on August 01, 2010, 10:54:40 AM
        Sharom Mc Carty was involved in a fatal crash last night July 31,2010 in the Galena Il area Jo Davies County Il, Her and her two kids are in Rockford Memorial Hospital. { In compliance of the HEPA Law } I am reporting this with Sharon Mc Carty's permission.

         Accident happed about 9:00 or 10;00 Sat night, according to Sharon a truck came threw the intersection and got em, One child is scratched up and she said the other was having Brain Surgery to put in a stint. She said Tim R. was killed on in pack and was called dead at the scene.

        She is at Rockford Memorial room 212--815-971-5000
        She could probably use a call or some well wishing in her horrible time time now. Thanks Mark.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Pile of Dead Kids on August 01, 2010, 11:47:03 AM
        Can this please be the start of a trend?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: DannyB II on August 01, 2010, 11:53:18 AM
        Quote from: "mark babitz"
        Sharom Mc Carty was involved in a fatal crash last night July 31,2010 in the Galena Il area Jo Davies County Il, Her and her two kids are in Rockford Memorial Hospital. { In compliance of the HEPA Law } I am reporting this with Sharon Mc Carty's permission.

         Accident happed about 9:00 or 10;00 Sat night, according to Sharon a truck came threw the intersection and got em, One child is scratched up and she said the other was having Brain Surgery to put in a stint. She said Tim R. was killed on in pack and was called dead at the scene.

        She is at Rockford Memorial room 212 D--815-971-5000
        She could probably use a call or some well wishing in her horrible time time now. Thanks Mark.

        Thank You
        Danny
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on August 01, 2010, 10:30:01 PM
        Another Fatal Car Crash Leaves One Man Dead
        Another two-vehicle crash near U-S Route 20 and Route 84 North in Jo Davies County leaves one man dead.

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        Authorities say a car headed South on 84 did not yield and crashed into another vehicle. The driver of the first car was pronounced dead on the scene. The woman and two children in that car were taken to area hospitals as well as the driver and two passengers in the second car. The name of the deceased is not being released at this time
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Ursus on August 02, 2010, 10:36:36 AM
        Quote from: "mark babitz"
        Sharom Mc Carty was involved in a fatal crash last night July 31,2010 in the Galena Il area Jo Davies County Il, Her and her two kids are in Rockford Memorial Hospital. { In compliance of the HEPA Law } I am reporting this with Sharon Mc Carty's permission.

         Accident happed about 9:00 or 10;00 Sat night, according to Sharon a truck came threw the intersection and got em, One child is scratched up and she said the other was having Brain Surgery to put in a stint. She said Tim R. was killed on in pack and was called dead at the scene.

        She is at Rockford Memorial room 212--815-971-5000
        She could probably use a call or some well wishing in her horrible time time now. Thanks Mark.
        Wow. That is just awful. Terrible thing to happen for all concerned...

        I hope the survivors all end up okay. Poor Sharon!
        Title: Another Fatal Car Crash Leaves One Man Dead
        Post by: Ursus on August 02, 2010, 10:41:33 AM
        Quote from: "mark babitz"
        Another Fatal Car Crash Leaves One Man Dead
        Another two-vehicle crash near U-S Route 20 and Route 84 North in Jo Davies County leaves one man dead.

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        Authorities say a car headed South on 84 did not yield and crashed into another vehicle. The driver of the first car was pronounced dead on the scene. The woman and two children in that car were taken to area hospitals as well as the driver and two passengers in the second car. The name of the deceased is not being released at this time
        Link for the above news piece:

        WIFR.com
        Posted: 8:49 PM Aug 1, 2010
        Another Fatal Car Crash Leaves One Man Dead (http://http://www.wifr.com/news/headlines/99733114.html)

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        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on August 03, 2010, 09:11:27 AM
        Officers in Jo Daviess County are working to determine what caused a deadly car accident there. It happened just after 6:30 last night in rural Galena at the intersection of 84 and 20. Police say one driver failed to yield to oncoming traffic. He was pronounced dead on the scene. A woman and two children in his car, and three people in the other car, were all transported to area hospitals. Police are not releasing any names until families are notified
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on August 03, 2010, 09:12:28 AM
        http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct ... d%3D291080 (http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct2=us%2F0_0_s_4_2_aa&usg=AFQjCNEqcj9DqXVH_iaNu7U0CkHT0o58AQ&cid=17593784072182&ei=DRRYTOj-ApvKMZ2Q5Y8C&rt=SEARCH&vm=STANDARD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thonline.com%2Farticle.cfm%3Fid%3D291080)
        Title: Deadly Accident in Rural Galena
        Post by: Ursus on August 03, 2010, 10:09:46 AM
        Quote from: "mark babitz"
        Officers in Jo Daviess County are working to determine what caused a deadly car accident there. It happened just after 6:30 last night in rural Galena at the intersection of 84 and 20. Police say one driver failed to yield to oncoming traffic. He was pronounced dead on the scene. A woman and two children in his car, and three people in the other car, were all transported to area hospitals. Police are not releasing any names until families are notified
        Link for the above news piece:

        KWQC.com · KWQC-TV Davenport, Iowa
        Deadly Accident in Rural Galena (http://http://www.kwqc.com/Global/story.asp?S=12907602)
        Updated: Aug 1, 2010 08:44 PM

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        Another article. This one has video news footage at the link:

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        KCRG.com
        One Person Killed, Six Injured in Crash Near Galena (http://http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/One-Person-Killed-Six-Injured-in-Crash-Near-Galena-99724004.html)
        Story Created: Aug 1, 2010 at 2:47 PM CDT

        GALENA, Illinois - One person is dead after a two-vehicle crash near Galena, Illinois. The Jo Daviess County Sheriff's Office says that the accident happened at about 6:40 Saturday evening, at the intersection of Highway 20 and Highway 84.

        According to the sheriff's office, a vehicle traveling southbound along Highway 84 failed to yield at the intersection with Highway 20, and collided with a vehicle traveling westbound on Highway 20.

        The driver of the southbound vehicle, an adult male, was killed in the accident. Three passengers, an adult female and two children, were taken to the Midwest Medical Center in Galena. The two children were then airlifted to Rockford Memorial Hospital.

        The driver of the westbound vehicle, an adult male, was taken to Finley Hospital in Dubuque. His two passengers, an adult male and female, were taken to Midwest Medical Center in Galena.

        The conditions of those who were injured is not being released at this time. Officials are not releasing the names of those involved in the crash at this time.


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        Title: One dead in accident near Galena
        Post by: Ursus on August 03, 2010, 10:13:44 AM
        Quote from: "mark babitz"
        http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct ... d%3D291080 (http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct2=us%2F0_0_s_4_2_aa&usg=AFQjCNEqcj9DqXVH_iaNu7U0CkHT0o58AQ&cid=17593784072182&ei=DRRYTOj-ApvKMZ2Q5Y8C&rt=SEARCH&vm=STANDARD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thonline.com%2Farticle.cfm%3Fid%3D291080)
        Telegraph Herald - Dubuque, IA
        Sunday, August 1, 2010

        One dead in accident near Galena (http://http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=291080)

        GALENA, Ill. - One person was killed and six others injured in a two-vehicle accident Saturday at the intersection of U.S. 20 and Illinois 84 North near Galena.

        One adult male was killed. Two adult females, two adult males and two juveniles were injured, according to the Jo Daviess County Sheriff's Department. All names were withheld pending notification of their families.

        Authorities say the crash happened around 6:39 p.m. when one vehicle, traveling south on Illinois 84 North, entered the intersection with U.S. 20 and failed to yield to an oncoming vehicle, which was westbound on U.S. 20.

        The vehicle traveling south was occupied by an adult male driver, an adult female and two juveniles. The driver was pronounced dead at the scene. The Galena Ambulance service took the female and two juveniles to Midwest Medical Center, and the juveniles were later transferred by helicopter to Rockford Memorial Hospital.

        The vehicle traveling west was occupied by two adult males and one adult female. Paramount Ambulance Service took the adult male driver to The Finley Hospital. The Galena Ambulance Service took the other male and female to Midwest Medical Center.

        The crash remains under investigation.


        Copyright 2010 Telegraph Herald
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on August 03, 2010, 04:19:32 PM
        Police release details about deadly weekend crash near Galena


        Posted: Aug 03, 2010 11:31 AM PDT
        Updated: Aug 03, 2010 11:31 AM PDT
        JO DAVIESS COUNTY (WREX) - A Freeport man was killed and six other people were hurt in a crash Jo Daviess County Saturday.

        It happened at US Route 20 and IL Route 84 North around 6:30 p.m. Saturday.

        Police say a vehicle failed to stop at the intersection and slammed into a vehicle heading west on Route 20.

        Timothy Rodey, 47, of Freeport was killed. Sharon McCarthy, 40, of Freeport, and two juveniles were also in the vehicle that didn't stop. They were taken to Midwest Medical Center where the two juveniles were then airlifted to Rockford Memorial Hospital.

        Jesse Cable, 28, of East Dubuque; Jacob Heller, 26, of Galena; and Pamela Leitzinger, 25 of Galena, were all taken to area hospitals. They were in the other vehicle.

        The crash remains under investigation.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on August 03, 2010, 04:20:05 PM
        http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct ... 3D12918156 (http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct2=us%2F0_0_s_0_0_t&usg=AFQjCNElLC67QsQMhGGZwDCO_GDHpeNJug&cid=17593784689118&ei=qXdYTLiTK4LUM-So4o8C&rt=SEARCH&vm=STANDARD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wrex.com%2FGlobal%2Fstory.asp%3FS%3D12918156)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on August 03, 2010, 04:21:44 PM
        Victims' names released in Galena weekend accident
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        GALENA, Ill. — The Jo Daviess Sheriff’s Department has released the names of the person killed and four of the six people injured in an accident Saturday at the intersection of U.S. 20 and Illinois 84 in Galena.

        Timothy Rodey, 47, of Freeport died at the scene. Sharon McCarthy, 40, of Freeport, a passenger in Rodey’s vehicle, was taken to Midwest Medical Center in Galena. Two juveniles in Rodey’s vehicle were medflighted to Rockford Memorial Hospital. Their names were not released.

        The driver of the other vehicle, Jesse Cable, 28, of East Dubuque, was taken to The Finley Hospital. The passengers in Cable’s car, Jacob Heller, 26, and Pamela Leitzinger, 25, both of Galena, were taken to Midwest Medical Center.

        According to the Jo Daviess Sheriff’s Department, a vehicle driven by Rodey was southbound on Illinois 84 and failed to yield to an oncoming vehicle driven by Cable westbound on U.S. 20.




        http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct ... d%3D291262 (http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct2=us%2F0_0_s_2_0_t&usg=AFQjCNESeAKr-WxZ3ZgC9QbQwRNsOi3tvg&cid=17593784689118&ei=GnpYTNDYO4b0Nfve3o8C&rt=MORE_COVERAGE&vm=STANDARD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thonline.com%2Farticle.cfm%3Fid%3D291262)

        The accident remains under investigation.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Pile of Dead Kids on August 03, 2010, 04:23:23 PM
        Quote
        Police say one driver failed to yield to oncoming traffic. He was pronounced dead on the scene.

        As much as I understand his decision, if I were married to an Elanite I wouldn't pull out in front of oncoming cars.

        I'd wait for a truck.
        Title: Police release details about deadly weekend crash near Galen
        Post by: Ursus on August 03, 2010, 04:30:00 PM
        Quote from: "mark babitz"
        http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct ... 3D12918156 (http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct2=us%2F0_0_s_0_0_t&usg=AFQjCNElLC67QsQMhGGZwDCO_GDHpeNJug&cid=17593784689118&ei=qXdYTLiTK4LUM-So4o8C&rt=SEARCH&vm=STANDARD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wrex.com%2FGlobal%2Fstory.asp%3FS%3D12918156)
        WREX.com
        Police release details about deadly weekend crash near Galena (http://http://www.wrex.com/Global/story.asp?S=12918156)
        Posted: Aug 03, 2010 11:31 AM · Updated: Aug 03, 2010 11:31 AM

        JO DAVIESS COUNTY (WREX) - A Freeport man was killed and six other people were hurt in a crash Jo Daviess County Saturday.

        It happened at US Route 20 and IL Route 84 North around 6:30 p.m. Saturday.

        Police say a vehicle failed to stop at the intersection and slammed into a vehicle heading west on Route 20.

        Timothy Rodey, 47, of Freeport was killed. Sharon McCarthy, 40, of Freeport, and two juveniles were also in the vehicle that didn't stop. They were taken to Midwest Medical Center where the two juveniles were then airlifted to Rockford Memorial Hospital.

        Jesse Cable, 28, of East Dubuque; Jacob Heller, 26, of Galena; and Pamela Leitzinger, 25 of Galena, were all taken to area hospitals. They were in the other vehicle.

        The crash remains under investigation.


        All content © Copyright 2000 - 2010 WorldNow and WREX.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on August 03, 2010, 05:12:34 PM
        Quote from: "Pile of Dead Kids"
        Quote
        Police say one driver failed to yield to oncoming traffic. He was pronounced dead on the scene.

        As much as I understand his decision, if I were married to an Elanite I wouldn't pull out in front of oncoming cars.

        I'd wait for a truck.
        :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  I think your humor is out of turn and quite morbid, I hope your life get turned upside down more than it is and you get rushed from behind." Pile Of Dead Kids " Your whole interdiction is out of line, I know anyone would gladly trade two Farty"s  and more, than listen to your dribble. At least  Art  and anyone else that might of had some differences showed  concern. What type of animal are you to make light of someones death and the tragedies of two kids ???


        Forget Sharon for a second, how about the two kids in the back seat that could have died, ?? I know one is an induced coma, and the other looks like a lawn mower ran across his face. As far as Sharon she is pretty banged up , but who gives a shit.!!!. Back to the two kids, I want to see you find support in the humor about them you sick fuck.


        What institution were you at  ?, even Elan didn't produce that sick of a fuck, did they ??  And if it's  who I think it might be trolling around, you wont want that exposed nor your 3 arrest per year record in the State of Wisconsin for the last 10 years, thats right 3 or more arrest for 10 years back that total = 30 + among all the other dirty laundry. And we are not speaking of Farty or anyone in reference to him," Pile Of Dead Kids "  is a female. And you should really check yourself hard and spread your negative actions from this issue.



        First off , your name tells everyone your identity if they know you.
        Second off , How do you come on here and make fun of some kids almost getting killed, and who knows how the one with brain problems will turn out ??
        I know your intentions were to poke at Sharon and Tim and thats sick in itself, but not think of the kids or the three others that ran into Tims bad judgement is fucked up bad.


        I would say that it's a shame you weren't behind the wheel instead of Tim, but that would make me  look as fucked up as you, and that I am not.



        You should be in an institution to keep you away from yourself and others , the med's must of really fucked your head up bad. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::
        Title: Freeport man dead after two-vehicle accident
        Post by: Ursus on August 03, 2010, 05:59:44 PM
        I couldn't find a date for this, but I believe it is from today:

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        WGLR.com: Local News
        Freeport man dead after two-vehicle accident (http://http://www.wglr.com/newSite/localNews.php)  dhw

        A Freeport, Illinois man is dead and six others are injured after a two-vehicle accident, Saturday evening at the intersection of Highway-20 and Highway-84, north of Galena. Jo Davies County authorities say 47-year-old Timothy Rodey was pronounced dead at the scene.

        Rodey was reportedly driving south on Highway-84, when his car entered the intersection with Highway-20 and didn't stop for a vehicle that was heading west on Highway-20. Two juvenile passengers in the vehicle have also been injured. They were initially taken to Midwest Medical Center in Galena, then were transferred by helicopter to Rockford Memorial Hospital. Another passenger...40-year-old Sharon McCarthy of Freeport...has been treated at the Galena hospital.

        The driver of the second vehicle...28-year-old Jesse Cable of East Dubuque...has been treated for injuries at Finley Hospital in Dubuque. Two passengers in the vehicle...26-year-old Jacob Heller and 25-year-old Pam Leitzinger...both of Galena...have been treated for injuries at Midwest Medical Center. The accident is under investigation.

        ----dash----

        Helping at the scene were Galena Police, Fire and Ambulance, Paramount Ambulance, East Dubuque Police, Illinois State Police, the Jo Davies County Coroner, React Helicopter and the Med Force Helicopter.

        ----dash----

        The mishap happened just after 6:30 pm Saturday.


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        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on August 04, 2010, 07:16:42 AM
        Hey Marky
        The biggest shame in this whole thing is the children.
        The next biggest shame,is that you werent the one killed. You and your 10 screen names for the sake of hurting others.Do you get a stiffy when you "pretend" to be others ? I would say something like " you should be ashamed of yourself,but that would be saying you had a concience"
        You are a menace to your community and to those who read your drivel on the internet.
        I am now extra certain that morons like yourself always get what they have comin to them,and your day is comin.
        You cannot go careening through life fucking with others,lying,cheating and stealing without earning the propper Kharma that goes along with being an asswipe
        suck a dick Babbletits
        Fucking Coward
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: aliciakeys on August 04, 2010, 07:21:58 AM
        ART is back.  ::puke::
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on August 04, 2010, 07:46:06 AM
        Old and stale
        and never happened
        But by all means.. dont stop on my acct. You just might get your chance to assert your allegations some day.
        Then the world can laugh at you and not just the malcontents here at Cesspool.com
        Got Kleenex ?
        I ve said more than I wanted to
        Try to have a good day
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on August 04, 2010, 09:56:14 AM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Hey Marky
        The biggest shame in this whole thing is the children.
        The next biggest shame,is that you werent the one killed. You and your 10 screen names for the sake of hurting others.Do you get a stiffy when you "pretend" to be others ? I would say something like " you should be ashamed of yourself,but that would be saying you had a concience"
        You are a menace to your community and to those who read your drivel on the internet.
        I am now extra certain that morons like yourself always get what they have comin to them,and your day is comin.
        You cannot go careening through life fucking with others,lying,cheating and stealing without earning the propper Kharma that goes along with being an asswipe
        suck a dick Babbletits
        Fucking Coward




         :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  As we recall your ass was handed to you already Farty and it will be done again, no one likes or respects you, you bag of shit. So go back to your junk pile Farty. 10 screen names ??  Those are all real people who stood up to you and ran you off ass hole. Dont shit yourself loser in the the gun shack house with a chair boat. And yes folks do like my conversation, as proven by you being run off the last time.Maybe the Reporter will come back with some more news about the Fart
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on August 04, 2010, 10:08:20 AM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Old and stale
        and never happened
        But by all means.. dont stop on my acct. You just might get your chance to assert your allegations some day.
        Then the world can laugh at you and not just the malcontents here at Cesspool.com
        Got Kleenex ?
        I ve said more than I wanted to
        Try to have a good day


        Aren't you the one who admitted here that you performed lewd acts on a teenage girl while you were in your mid 20s?  In fact, you seemed rather proud of it, if I recall correctly.
        Title: ART admitting to crimes
        Post by: aliciakeys on August 04, 2010, 10:28:51 AM
        viewtopic.php?f=22&t=29840&start=885 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=29840&start=885)

        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        I was born in 1963 Sharon

        There are no charges or even an accusation of the molestations you are making up. Its only a suggestion Marky,but think hard about how,and where you want to go with this.

        Thats all I will say about it. Create your own destiny

        Sharon.. you got  nothing but rhetoric..bullshit..and personal insanity. Yup I gave you the high hard one.  Then I left. Its 25 years ago. Is the pain still too much to bear ? See a shrink. No more explanations .. no more excuses

        You only want to find(and use) whatever you can (EVEN IF ITS A LIE) as a weapon

        Well lady (loose terminology) you have failed again. You must be used to failure. Thus far thats all you have shown every one.
        Go hug your children.. You'll feel better

        ART admitting to crimes  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on August 04, 2010, 10:35:38 AM
        Yawnnnnnnn
        Hey Marky
        Did it ever occur to you that you are boring ? That the whole Mess you created is childish and infantile,and that I lost interest. Probably not..
        Today, as you type away feverishly, to post 30 yr old documents, that are no longer relevant, Try something different. Try the HONEST approach.
        Is this the only place in your miserable little existance that you can be proud of ? I have yet to read anything of yours that is remotely respectable.
        That includes your many screen names. Boring as it may be,you'd be suprised at how many people that DONT participate here but take the time to read and laugh at you
        Hey Anne.. as usual.. You got nothing. Just another Fornits troll. Find someone that WANTS to engage you in some form
        I am not interested
        Good day
        ps.. will look in on you injured folks in a month or 2. Always fills my heart with gratitude that I am not as sick as you
        Thank god
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: aliciakeys on August 04, 2010, 10:40:07 AM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Yawnnnnnnn
        Hey Marky
        Did it ever occur to you that you are boring ? That the whole Mess you created is childish and infantile,and that I lost interest. Probably not..
        Today, as you type away feverishly, to post 30 yr old documents, that are no longer relevant, Try something different. Try the HONEST approach.
        Is this the only place in your miserable little existance that you can be proud of ? I have yet to read anything of yours that is remotely respectable.
        That includes your many screen names. Boring as it may be,you'd be suprised at how many people that DONT participate here but take the time to read and laugh at you
        Hey Anne.. as usual.. You got nothing. Just another Fornits troll. Find someone that WANTS to engage you in some form
        I am not interested
        Good day
        ps.. will look in on you injured folks in a month or 2. Always fills my heart with gratitude that I am not as sick as you
        Thank god

        ART,

        What were your employment dates at ELAN?
        Did you get fired or did you resign from ELAN?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on August 04, 2010, 12:16:54 PM
        Quote from: "aliciakeys"
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Yawnnnnnnn
        Hey Marky
        Did it ever occur to you that you are boring ? That the whole Mess you created is childish and infantile,and that I lost interest. Probably not..
        Today, as you type away feverishly, to post 30 yr old documents, that are no longer relevant, Try something different. Try the HONEST approach.
        Is this the only place in your miserable little existance that you can be proud of ? I have yet to read anything of yours that is remotely respectable.
        That includes your many screen names. Boring as it may be,you'd be suprised at how many people that DONT participate here but take the time to read and laugh at you
        Hey Anne.. as usual.. You got nothing. Just another Fornits troll. Find someone that WANTS to engage you in some form
        I am not interested
        Good day
        ps.. will look in on you injured folks in a month or 2. Always fills my heart with gratitude that I am not as sick as you
        Thank god

        ART,

        What were your employment dates at ELAN?
        Did you get fired or did you resign from ELAN?





          :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  Farty is back in support of the mockery that Pile Of Dead Kids started, and I know we all know how sick the Fart is.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on August 04, 2010, 12:45:35 PM
        Maybe the Reporter will come back with some more news about the Fart
         
        LOL Your illness is all-consuming Marky
        Please do what you gotta do loser boy... You have been linked to a number of posts/screen names where your mouth runneth over.
        As I told you in January...
        Choose how this is gonna go Babbletits
        I enjoy it when you speak like a toughguy,regardless of the screen name you use. As I am less than 2 miles from your Mommy's basement where you talk tough and verbally assault others regularly. But when asked by myself and others to "put up,or shut up" you retreat to your basement or a different screen name
        Are you done yet yet  ? I am !
        I think its pretty clear who has been run off,as well as who the coward is
        4204 US Hwy 12 till 5
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: aliciakeys on August 04, 2010, 02:49:00 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Maybe the Reporter will come back with some more news about the Fart
         
        LOL Your illness is all-consuming Marky
        Please do what you gotta do loser boy... You have been linked to a number of posts/screen names where your mouth runneth over.
        As I told you in January...
        Choose how this is gonna go Babbletits
        I enjoy it when you speak like a toughguy,regardless of the screen name you use. As I am less than 2 miles from your Mommy's basement where you talk tough and verbally assault others regularly. But when asked by myself and others to "put up,or shut up" you retreat to your basement or a different screen name
        Are you done yet yet  ? I am !
        I think its pretty clear who has been run off,as well as who the coward is
        4204 US Hwy 12 till 5

        ART,

        What were your employment dates at ELAN?

        Did you get fired or did you resign from ELAN?

        AND

        Why did your employer fire you or why did you resign?

        Did you instruct students to enter the ring while you were employed at ELAN?

        Did you ever witness other staff/owners abuse {sexual/physical/neglect/emotional} children while you were employed at ELAN?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on August 04, 2010, 08:37:47 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Maybe the Reporter will come back with some more news about the Fart
         
        LOL Your illness is all-consuming Marky
        Please do what you gotta do loser boy... You have been linked to a number of posts/screen names where your mouth runneth over.
        As I told you in January...
        Choose how this is gonna go Babbletits
        I enjoy it when you speak like a toughguy,regardless of the screen name you use. As I am less than 2 miles from your Mommy's basement where you talk tough and verbally assault others regularly. But when asked by myself and others to "put up,or shut up" you retreat to your basement or a different screen name
        Are you done yet yet  ? I am !
        I think its pretty clear who has been run off,as well as who the coward is
        4204 US Hwy 12 till 5
        :waaaa:  :waaaa:
         :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:



        How do you sit there on your fat ass and talk so much shit Farty. Calling people out ?? for what so you can call the police and say they are trying to hurt you, ? You fucking cowardly molester of the young. You have made it perfectly clear you would like to get any one of us thrown in jail or in some legal trouble, but you are too stupid to accomplish that ass hole. No one will threaten you or come and see you punk. But you  are more than welcome to come to my house and go to jail ass-hole, so put up or shut the fuck up big mouth. You are an admitted molester of young girls and find humor and contempt in others deaths and miseries.


        What the fuck are you Farty the molester,?? You and Pile of Shit, aka dead kids are two of the most fucked up any of us have come across.
        So if you think that you wont get a shower of hate and ridicule here you are crazy." NO ONE " likes you and all of us hate you and what you stand for.And if they disagree they will say it, but that does not seem to be the case does it stupid. Oil spill in isle 5, go clean it up Fart Boy.
        Answer the questions above ass hole were you fired from Elan on not ??
        Why would you admit to molesting Sharon when she was so young you sick fuck ,??
        Do you think you will find acceptance here,?? Well wrong place sick fuck.
        Rant on if you will and you will be ran off again ,and as you can plainly see I am not the only one who hates you, and I am not Aliciakeys, or Anne Booney, The Elan Repoter or any of the others you stupid fuck.



        This ass hole thinks the tragedy of not just Tim and Sharon but the five others that were hurt and almost killed is funny and humoris. How fucked up is that,??. We were discussing just the other day how much fun it was beating down the Big Bad Farty and here your sorry ass comes back, well hang on ass hole this time you just might get that trip to jail hard ass. You really are too stupid to just stay out of some things but that what makes you such a unique ass hole. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:



        Did you ever get that 8 ball covered up on your bitches hand,??
        Dont shit your self in the boat chair tonight on wodertucky lake, as a matter of fact I do spend some time on that lake maybe I will see you pass on your chair when I am getting a snow cone at the marina or sitting on my friends deck on the lake. It is a very small lake . Or maybe on Fox Lake I do live across the street and have a three sided view of the lake on the peninsula I live on. Do you wish you had a lake view instead of your neighbors garage and trailers ? The world is small Farty and you dont see that. Ass holes like you stand out I dont, :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
         


        :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma: Don't Shit Your Self  :karma:  :karma:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on August 04, 2010, 09:10:31 PM
        Quote from: "mark babitz"
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Maybe the Reporter will come back with some more news about the Fart
         
        LOL Your illness is all-consuming Marky
        Please do what you gotta do loser boy... You have been linked to a number of posts/screen names where your mouth runneth over.
        As I told you in January...
        Choose how this is gonna go Babbletits
        I enjoy it when you speak like a toughguy,regardless of the screen name you use. As I am less than 2 miles from your Mommy's basement where you talk tough and verbally assault others regularly. But when asked by myself and others to "put up,or shut up" you retreat to your basement or a different screen name
        Are you done yet yet  ? I am !
        I think its pretty clear who has been run off,as well as who the coward is
        4204 US Hwy 12 till 5
        :waaaa:  :waaaa:
         :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:



        How do you sit there on your fat ass and talk so much shit Farty. Calling people out ?? for what so you can call the police and say they are trying to hurt you, ? You fucking cowardly molester of the young. You have made it perfectly clear you would like to get any one of us thrown in jail or in some legal trouble, but you are too stupid to accomplish that ass hole. No one will threaten you or come and see you punk. But you  are more than welcome to come to my house and go to jail ass-hole, so put up or shut the fuck up big mouth
         
        Seems you are upset again. The usual response from someone caught in any number of lies. Just pick the time of day.
        I didnt molest anyone ever.. This is the newest in dozens of weapons you have used against me. This one,just like the others are lies. Perhaps you are jealous of my success,my charming good looks ? You are drawn to me in some obsessive,childish way.
         
        What the fuck are you Farty the molester,?? You and Pile of Shit, aka dead kids are two of the most fucked up any of us have come across.
        So if you think that you wont get a shower of hate and ridicule here you are crazy." NO ONE " likes you and all of us hate you and what you stand for.And if they disagree they will say it, but that does not seem to be the case does it stupid. Oil spill in isle 5, go clean it up Fart Boy.
         
        You are really reaching Marky.Better roll up another so you calm down a bit. Would be horrible if you had a heart attack (sorta)
        Sharon was involved in a horrific,life changing experience. I am terribly sorry for this
        I believe I was one of the 1st to send my condolences,and love
        But dont think for 1 second that some asshole here wasnt gonna seek attention (in your usual way) by making something nasty out of it. Especially an anonymous troll  (like yourself) Did you forget the web address  ?
        Lets see.. How many lies does that make in this paragraph?
        Please show me and all the readers where I posted,or agreed to any of that.
         
         Did you ever get that 8 ball covered up on your bitches hand,??
        Dont shit your self in the boat chair tonight on wodertucky lake, as a matter of fact I do spend some time on that lake maybe I will see you pass on your chair when I am getting a snow cone at the marina or sitting on my friends deck on the lake. It is a very small lake . Or maybe on Fox Lake I do live across the street and have a three sided view of the lake on the peninsula I live on. Do you wish you had a lake view instead of your neighbors garage and trailers ? The world is small Farty and you dont see that. Ass holes like you stand out I dont,    
         
        LOL I should have Joanne come over and bitchslap you herself.. Another cowardly weapon of choice.
        Do you actually have anything worthy to say,or is this just the usual spew after you are caught in repeatedly lying.
         
        I dunno pal.. looks like you stand out pretty well
        4-5 paragraphs about nothing.
        Said with Class and all the refined manners you can conjure up
        I am actually glad I dont live ON the lake. I hate those flying rats.
        I take comfort in you cleaning goose shit off your lawn every day.
        Its a job you are a bit overqualified for.. but shit is shit
        Its ok if you wanna borrow my phrase "try not to shit yourself"
        I dont think you have had an original thought.. ever
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: aliciakeys on August 04, 2010, 09:43:30 PM
        Quote
        ART,

        What were your employment dates at ELAN?

        Did you get fired or did you resign from ELAN?

        AND

        Why did your employer fire you or why did you resign?

        Did you instruct students to enter the ring while you were employed at ELAN?

        Did you ever witness other staff/owners abuse {sexual/physical/neglect/emotional} children while you were employed at ELAN?

        Does anyone notice Art keeps dodging these questions?   ::OMG::
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on August 04, 2010, 09:51:53 PM
        Alicia.. I would be happy to send you another picture.
        Tho the one on my facebook page has me "on my chair" on the lake. All 21.5 feet of it and 3700 lbs
        Your right Marky.. I got a fat ass.. But my "Chair" I mean boat is big enough for it
         
        Not dodging anything. You want answers. Come ask me
        I dont play Troll
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: aliciakeys on August 04, 2010, 09:59:11 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Alicia.. I would be happy to send you another picture.
        Tho the one on my facebook page has me "on my chair" on the lake. All 21.5 feet of it and 3700 lbs
        Your right Marky.. I got a fat ass.. But my "Chair" I mean boat is big enough for it
         
        Not dodging anything. You want answers. Come ask me
        I dont play Troll


        ART,

        Why are you refusing to answer tough questions?  The fact you're refusing to answer my questions indicates you're guilty of crimes against minors whether you choose to admit it or not.    Art do you feel guilty?

        ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

        RE:  Did you ever witness other staff/owners abuse {sexual/physical/neglect/emotional} children while you were employed at ELAN?

        Art admitting to a crime against a minor below.   :eek:

        viewtopic.php?f=22&t=29840&start=885 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=29840&start=885)

        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        I was born in 1963 Sharon

        There are no charges or even an accusation of the molestations you are making up. Its only a suggestion Marky,but think hard about how,and where you want to go with this.

        Thats all I will say about it. Create your own destiny

        Sharon.. you got  nothing but rhetoric..bullshit..and personal insanity.Yup I gave you the high hard one.  Then I left. Its 25 years ago. Is the pain still too much to bear ? See a shrink. No more explanations .. no more excuses

        You only want to find(and use) whatever you can (EVEN IF ITS A LIE) as a weapon

        Well lady (loose terminology) you have failed again. You must be used to failure. Thus far thats all you have shown every one.
        Go hug your children.. You'll feel better
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on August 04, 2010, 11:22:41 PM
        liarsexposed wrote:
        I was born in 1963 Sharon

        There are no charges or even an accusation of the molestations you are making up. Its only a suggestion Marky,but think hard about how,and where you want to go with this.

        Thats all I will say about it. Create your own destiny

        Sharon.. you got nothing but rhetoric..bullshit..and personal insanity.Yup I gave you the high hard one. Then I left. Its 25 years ago. Is the pain still too much to bear ? See a shrink. No more explanations .. no more excuses

        You only want to find(and use) whatever you can (EVEN IF ITS A LIE) as a weapon

        Well lady (loose terminology) you have failed again. You must be used to failure. Thus far thats all you have shown every one.
        Go hug your children.. You'll feel better
        aliciakeys
        phpBB Familiar Face

         
        Posts: 36
        Joined: 21 Jun 2010, 21:25





        Those are your word Farty and I do think your bitch could throw a punch, sounds like a real lady, :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  but then she is with you so it all comes together.

        How can you find it in your sick mind to harass and kick Sharon while she is down you are a coward and a poison.Real tuff guy and Farty you dont hurt my fealings, I am sickly amused by you and your true sadistic ways. I study you like a rear bug in a cage, and love to watch you squirm around on your belly.


        You might intimidate your bitch, but not me Farty and you do know that, so please stick around it's been slow around here like at the parts counter and we need someone to vent on Ass Hole.




        You think the accident that killed someone and injured 6 is funny. ????????



        http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A ... 62&h=fd6fb (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnews%2Furl%3Fsa%3Dt%26ct2%3Dus%252F0_0_s_2_0_t%26usg%3DAFQjCNESeAKr-WxZ3ZgC9QbQwRNsOi3tvg%26cid%3D17593784689118%26ei%3DGnpYTNDYO4b0Nfve3o8C%26rt%3DMORE_COVERAGE%26vm%3DSTANDARD%26url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.thonline.com%252Farticle.cfm%253Fid%253D291262&h=fd6fb)



        And that is a joke ??? WOW :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  Your are so fucked up Farty
         :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on August 05, 2010, 07:15:41 AM
        How can you find it in your sick mind to harass and kick Sharon
         
        Havent had enough Marky ? Woke up still seething with rage again ? Does telling your little lies make you feel better ?
        Again..Show me where I typed anything like harrassment to Sharon recently (means since her accident). All that comes out of your mouth is anger and bile.
        Wonder what would make you so obsessed with me ? Are you secretly a homosexual ? DO you enjoy being called out for your multiple lies ? You are showing your audience what you are.. and I gotta tell ya Marky.. It aint pretty
        But it IS funny.
        Gonna swim across the lake and back.
        Then am going to work
        If someone wants to know something about Art,they may ask me. But I dont play troll
        Except you Marky.. You have been spinning for 2 days over being caught in your little lies.
        Do you take medication for this disorder ? :feedtrolls:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on August 05, 2010, 09:43:24 AM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
         Are you secretly a homosexual ?

        Are you secretly a pedophile?  Are you not the one who admitted to having sex with a teenage girl when you were in your mid-twenties?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on August 05, 2010, 09:52:10 AM
        liarsexposed wrote:
        I was born in 1963 Sharon

        There are no charges or even an accusation of the molestations you are making up. Its only a suggestion Marky,but think hard about how,and where you want to go with this.

        Thats all I will say about it. Create your own destiny

        Sharon.. you got nothing but rhetoric..bullshit..and personal insanity.Yup I gave you the high hard one. Then I left. Its 25 years ago. Is the pain still too much to bear ? See a shrink. No more explanations .. no more excuses

        You only want to find(and use) whatever you can (EVEN IF ITS A LIE) as a weapon

        Well lady (loose terminology) you have failed again. You must be used to failure. Thus far thats all you have shown every one.
        Go hug your children.. You'll feel better.


        Read your post Farty and answer Anne question on teen age girls you sick fuck. Dont shit yourself and go to hell Farty.

        As far as your condolences Sharon asked at the hospital not to hear from or talk to you she said and I believe her and totally understand. You are top on her list and Tim's Daughter of people they hate. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  You are subhuman and it's well seen. Answer Anne question now, you are being asked per your request, [ "If someone wants to know something about Art,they may ask me. But I dont play troll " ]


        As far as trolls check your screen name stupid, calling the kettle black, ass hole
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on August 05, 2010, 10:05:14 AM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Hey Anne.. as usual.. You got nothing. Just another Fornits troll. Find someone that WANTS to engage you in some form
        I am not interested

        I bet you're not interested.  That's a pretty fucked up thing to do, let alone admit to like you're proud of it.  Too bad the statute of limitations has run out.  That's statutory rape, dickhead.



        viewtopic.php?f=22&t=29840&start=885 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=29840&start=885)

        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        I was born in 1963 Sharon

        There are no charges or even an accusation of the molestations you are making up. Its only a suggestion Marky,but think hard about how,and where you want to go with this.

        Thats all I will say about it. Create your own destiny

        Sharon.. you got  nothing but rhetoric..bullshit..and personal insanity. Yup I gave you the high hard one.   Then I left. Its 25 years ago.  Is the pain still too much to bear ? See a shrink. No more explanations .. no more excuses

        You only want to find(and use) whatever you can (EVEN IF ITS A LIE) as a weapon

        Well lady (loose terminology) you have failed again. You must be used to failure. Thus far thats all you have shown every one.
        Go hug your children.. You'll feel better
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on August 05, 2010, 10:07:30 AM
        Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
         Are you secretly a homosexual ?

        Are you secretly a pedophile?  Are you not the one who admitted to having sex with a teenage girl when you were in your mid-twenties?


           :cheers:  :cheers: I think his post tell everything about him" Anne " and he is one of the sicker ones you will find. Jail is a good place for the Farty or some well secured institution.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on August 05, 2010, 10:11:01 AM
        Ahhh tag team trolling
        How unusual
        I have zero guilt Marky.
        I am sorry I didnt include you Anne. I know how important I am to you, and your lack of life. I am flattered.
        Poor Marky... How come you havent responded to my questions Marky ? Cat got your toungue ? Hard to defend yourself when you are plainly,and clearly busted.
        You should really roll up a fatty and calm down boy
        Your busted.. Get over it and move the fuck along little man. No different than any other lie that I have exposed of yours. The list keeps getting longer
        Huh Gary,David,Jeff,Reporter and whomever else. Hard to keep track of your screen names these days,as you really arent very important any more :feedtrolls:
        I gotta go... Am gonna scratch my nuts and think of Anne :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
        My deal with Sharon is over. But you Marky... You obviously cannot control yourself
        and havent for a number of years
        Pretty sad actually.. Arent you like 50 yrs old  ?
        Tsk Tsk Tsk
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Troubled Turd on August 05, 2010, 10:24:05 AM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        I have zero guilt Marky.

        Guilt about what?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on August 05, 2010, 10:33:19 AM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Poor Marky... How come you havent responded to my questions Marky ? Cat got your toungue ? Hard to defend yourself when you are plainly,and clearly busted.


        I'm asking the same of you.  Are you a pedophile?  You've already admitted to statutory rape.  Cat got your tongue?  Hard to defend yourself when you are plainly and clearly busted.....by yourself.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on August 05, 2010, 07:02:35 PM
        Dear Gary stadler,Jeff cooper,Joe Gerald,carl shure,elan reporter,marky babbletits....
        Kinda quiet there cumbubblerboy
        Sorry you got your ass handed to you today by myself and "you know who"
        but like the old man always said "If ya got it comin to ya,then ya got it comin to ya
        Am kinda bored exposing your multiple lies,and screen names,so I am gonna go play in the water.
        I would invite ya.. But....
        You better get to cleaning that Goose Shit pal
        If nothing changes,nothing changes
        stay sick
        We like you that way
        You are very entertaining
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on August 05, 2010, 08:13:17 PM
        Quote from: "aliciakeys"
        ART PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTIONS
        Sent: Yesterday, 17:14
        From: aliciakeys
        To: liarsexposed  

        Quote

        ART,

        What were your employment dates at ELAN?

        What was your job title at ELAN?

        Who were your supervisors at ELAN?

        Where areas/buildings did you work in/at while you were employed at ELAN?

        Did you get fired or did you resign from ELAN?

        Why did your employer fire you or why did you resign?

        Did you instruct students to enter the ring while you were employed at ELAN?

        Did you ever witness other staff/owners abuse {sexual abuse /physical abuse / neglect /emotional abuse } children while you were employed at ELAN?

        I was told to contact ART's attorney, so he is hiding something folks!!!  ART you are digging yourself a deeper hole every day.  Keep at it ole boy!!!  

         :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:

        Re: ART PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTIONS
        Sent: Yesterday, 17:17
        by liarsexposed

        Quote
        Re: ART PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTIONS
        Sent: Yesterday, 17:17
        by liarsexposed

        any answers to questions of this nature can be addressed by my attorney,and only my attorney
        You have his info

        Re: ART PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTIONS
        Sent: Yesterday, 17:21
        by aliciakeys


        Quote from: "aliciakeys"
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        any answers to questions of this nature can be addressed by my attorney,and only my attorney
        You have his info

        ART if you claim you didn't commit sexual crimes against Sharon why are you telling me to contact your attorney?  This doesn't make sense.

        Re: ART PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTIONS
        Sent: Yesterday, 17:29
        by aliciakeys


        Quote from: "aliciakeys"
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        any answers to questions of this nature can be addressed by my attorney,and only my attorney
        You have his info

        Quote
        liarsexposed wrote:
        I was born in 1963 Sharon

        There are no charges or even an accusation of the molestations you are making up. Its only a suggestion Marky,but think hard about how,and where you want to go with this.

        Thats all I will say about it. Create your own destiny

        Sharon.. you got nothing but rhetoric..bullshit..and personal insanity.  Yup I gave you the high hard one. Then I left. Its 25 years ago. Is the pain still too much to bear ? See a shrink. No more explanations .. no more excuses

        You only want to find(and use) whatever you can (EVEN IF ITS A LIE) as a weapon

        Well lady (loose terminology) you have failed again. You must be used to failure. Thus far thats all you have shown every one.
        Go hug your children.. You'll feel better

        ART you stated, "Yup I gave you the high hard one.  Then I left."  Sharon would have been under the age of 18 and you over the age of 21.   :beat:   :beat:

        Re: ART PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTIONS
        Sent: Yesterday, 22:51
        by liarsexposed

        Quote
        AM gonna answer your question once and once only
        I wont talk to a troll about anything significant
        Besides,isnt it your job to use whatever I say against me ?
        Reduced to Pretending to be others
        Now thats quite the quality of life you have there!
        Good luck

        Re: ART PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTIONS
        Sent: Yesterday, 22:51
        From: liarsexposed
        To: aliciakeys  


        Quote from: "aliciakeys"
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        AM gonna answer your question once and once only
        I wont talk to a troll about anything significant
        Besides,isnt it your job to use whatever I say against me ?
        Reduced to Pretending to be others
        Now thats quite the quality of life you have there!
        Good luck


        You didn't do anything wrong right ART?  What do you got to hide?





        : Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        by Anne Bonney » Yesterday, 15:33

        liarsexposed wrote:
        Poor Marky... How come you havent responded to my questions Marky ? Cat got your toungue ? Hard to defend yourself when you are plainly,and clearly busted.



        I'm asking the same of you. Are you a pedophile? You've already admitted to statutory rape. Cat got your tongue? Hard to defend yourself when you are plainly and clearly busted.....by yourself.
        Anne Bonney
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        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        by liarsexposed » 54 minutes ago

        Dear Gary stadler,Jeff cooper,Joe Gerald,carl shure,elan reporter,marky babbletits....
        Kinda quiet there cumbubblerboy
        Sorry you got your ass handed to you today by myself and "you know who"
        but like the old man always said "If ya got it comin to ya,then ya got it comin to ya
        Am kinda bored exposing your multiple lies,and screen names,so I am gonna go play in the water.
        I would invite ya.. But....
        You better get to cleaning that Goose Shit pal
        If nothing changes,nothing changes
        stay sick
        We like you that way
        You are very entertaining



         :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
        Hey stupid the questions are to you not me I have nothing to hide I use my real name you phony fuck.
        Answer the questions asked or go away, you coward. Are still a Pedophile or was Sharon your last victim ??
        You have been so busted in your words just cop to your guilt ,just cop to your guilt you sick fuck. You are no more than just some stalking animal who try's and pray on the weak, And when confronted runs like a coward and wont answer questions about your statements, not anyone else's yours, you stupid ass hole. So answer the nice folks questions on your post's ass hole and please don't shit yourself any harder looser. And I don't run Farty, defiantly not from a weak ass hole  like you, You are the one always hiding and trolling around as liarsexposed show's. Busted again ass hole lol  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  You weak piece of shit  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on August 05, 2010, 09:17:37 PM
        Oh I'm sorry
        Did I forget to mention one of your alias' ? I know how sensitive you are. Who the fuck are you that I have to answer anything ? You have been whining all day and maybe you need a diaper change. Did you shit yourself again Marky ?
        Your tough talk has gotten you right where you are. Alienated from all. Do you know why young man  ?
        Because you have a mental defect. Because you are obsessed with me,and have been for close to 10 years. Perhaps you have forgotten some of your "earlier trollings". I own you boy.... Am pretty sure you know it too,or you wouldnt be so angry.
        So tonight,after you clean up all the Goose shit on your lawn,please kill yourself. Dont do it for me... Do it because its the right thing to do.
        How does a person become reduced,to being owned by a website ? What happened to you that you have carried on this campaign against me for all these years. Is this the best you can do ? Did you even get outside today at all ?
        sorry pal,but you are the lowest form of Loser I have ever met. LOL and Ive never met your cowardly ass!
        You remember that lie dont ya ?
        Nite Nite
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on August 06, 2010, 07:20:37 AM
        Well Ridilin Boy
        By now you must have realized that YOU are all alone in this 10 year quest of yours. I just wanted to define some of your words..
        WEAK = One who has to pose as others to obtain acceptance by others.. Thinking that you have had some anonymity.
        So much for that thought huh Marky
        ALONE = You are but Web Trash...I am glad to have been able to take out the trash.. The only support you have is Anne (LOL).. to which I find Extra Hysterical. As she is but a gnat buzzing around from topic to topic hoping to be accepted by any group of Web Trash.
        Unless you count your 10 alias'.. you have no one,and nothing... BTW I heard all about your POS Vette.. Is that an extension of your very small penis ?
        I suggest you find yourself an inpatient setting, where you can get some help that you desperately need. Because an insanity defense is about the only one that will save you,your homes,and your belongings
        After that,I suggest you find yourself a Public Defneder. As I indicated earlier, I own you.
        Will be in touch Mr Reporter! Have I got a story for you!
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on August 06, 2010, 10:18:27 AM
        Look.....you're the one who posted that you fucked a teenager when you were in your mid-twenties, and seemed awfully proud of it.  Why so shy about it now?  Did it suddenly dawn on you that you this could ......I was merely asking for clarification.  You're always demanding info from other people, why are you ignoring a question about what YOU WROTE YOURSELF.  

        Your silence speaks volumes.
        Title:
        Post by: Froderik on August 06, 2010, 10:23:42 AM
        (http://http://www.empireonline.com/images/features/100greatestcharacters/photos/61.jpg)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on August 06, 2010, 10:33:29 AM
        Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
        Look.....you're the one who posted that you fucked a teenager when you were in your mid-twenties, and seemed awfully proud of it.  Why so shy about it now?  Did it suddenly dawn on you that you this could ......I was merely asking for clarification.  You're always demanding info from other people, why are you ignoring a question about what YOU WROTE YOURSELF.  

        Your silence speaks volumes.


        Careful Anne he will threaten you too, but he wont answer your question. He is the great Fart  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl: He thinks I am everyone one the site and I have been bashing him for 10 years. he is delusional. but then that is only one of many of his problems. I dont know why he wont answer your question Anne about his previous admissions, unless he feels your asking a stupid question, and feel there is nothing wrong with his act's.Or he thinks you are really me,?? again he is delusional and needs help. But maybe you might be lucky and get him too confess again .Good luck, remember he has no fault, we are the one's that are all fucked up.  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
        Title: Re:
        Post by: mark babitz on August 06, 2010, 10:37:59 AM
        Quote from: "Froderik"
        (http://http://www.empireonline.com/images/features/100greatestcharacters/photos/61.jpg)


        Hey is that Farty ?????  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: aliciakeys on August 06, 2010, 11:53:44 AM
        ART PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTIONS
        Sent: Yesterday, 17:14
        by aliciakeys

        ART,

        What were your employment dates at ELAN?

        What was your job title at ELAN?

        Who were your supervisors at ELAN?

        Where areas/buildings did you work in/at while you were employed at ELAN?

        Did you get fired or did you resign from ELAN?

        Why did your employer fire you or why did you resign?

        Did you instruct students to enter the ring while you were employed at ELAN?

        Did you ever witness other staff/owners abuse {sexual abuse /physical abuse / neglect /emotional abuse } children while you were employed at ELAN?

        -------------------------------------------------

        Re: ART PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTIONS
        Sent: Yesterday, 17:17
        by liarsexposed

        any answers to questions of this nature can be addressed by my attorney,and only my attorney
        You have his info

        -------------------------------------------------

        Re: ART PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTIONS
        Sent: Yesterday, 17:21
        by aliciakeys

        Quote
        liarsexposed wrote:
        any answers to questions of this nature can be addressed by my attorney,and only my attorney
        You have his info

        ART if you claim you didn't commit sexual crimes against Sharon why are you telling me to contact your attorney? This doesn't make sense.

        -------------------------------------------------

        Re: ART PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTIONS
        Sent: Yesterday, 17:29
        by aliciakeys

        Quote
        liarsexposed wrote:
        any answers to questions of this nature can be addressed by my attorney,and only my attorney
        You have his info

        Quote
        liarsexposed wrote:
        I was born in 1963 Sharon

        There are no charges or even an accusation of the molestations you are making up. Its only a suggestion Marky,but think hard about how,and where you want to go with this.

        Thats all I will say about it. Create your own destiny


        Sharon.. you got nothing but rhetoric..bullshit..and personal insanity. Yup I gave you the high hard one. Then I left. Its 25 years ago. Is the pain still too much to bear ? See a shrink. No more explanations .. no more excuses

        You only want to find(and use) whatever you can (EVEN IF ITS A LIE) as a weapon

        Well lady (loose terminology) you have failed again. You must be used to failure. Thus far thats all you have shown every one.
        Go hug your children.. You'll feel better


        ART you stated, "Yup I gave you the high hard one. Then I left." Sharon would have been under the age of 18 and you over the age of 21. :beat:  :beat:

        -------------------------------------------------

        Re: ART PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTIONS
        Sent: Yesterday, 22:51
        by liarsexposed

        AM gonna answer your question once and once only
        I wont talk to a troll about anything significant
        Besides,isnt it your job to use whatever I say against me ?
        Reduced to Pretending to be others
        Now thats quite the quality of life you have there!
        Good luck

        -------------------------------------------------

        Quote aliciakeys Re: ART PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTIONS
        Sent: Today, 00:08
        by aliciakeys

        Quote
        liarsexposed wrote:
        AM gonna answer your question once and once only
        I wont talk to a troll about anything significant
        Besides,isnt it your job to use whatever I say against me ?
        Reduced to Pretending to be others
        Now thats quite the quality of life you have there!
        Good luck


        You didn't do anything wrong right ART? What do you got to hide?

        -------------------------------------------------

        Re: ART PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTIONS
        Sent: Today, 02:19
        by liarsexposed

        You must be very sad

        Another message and you get blocked   ::OMG::

        Ask me anything,in person

        You get nothing here

        -------------------------------------------------
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on August 06, 2010, 12:08:04 PM
        Well Anne
        I will answer anyone's questions
        a) Either in person
        b) through my attorney
        Hey Marky
        Are you having another bad day ?
        You really should be more careful when you post some of those vile things, under the delusion, that you are anonymous.
        The game is over Mark
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: aliciakeys on August 06, 2010, 12:24:19 PM
        ART PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTIONS
        Sent: Yesterday, 17:14
        by aliciakeys

        ART,

        What were your employment dates at ELAN?

        What was your job title at ELAN?

        Who were your supervisors at ELAN?

        Where areas/buildings did you work in/at while you were employed at ELAN?

        Did you get fired or did you resign from ELAN?

        Why did your employer fire you or why did you resign?

        Did you instruct students to enter the ring while you were employed at ELAN?

        Did you ever witness other staff/owners abuse {sexual abuse /physical abuse / neglect /emotional abuse } children while you were employed at ELAN?

        -------------------------------------------------

        Re: ART PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTIONS
        Sent: Yesterday, 17:17
        by liarsexposed

        any answers to questions of this nature can be addressed by my attorney,and only my attorney
        You have his info

        -------------------------------------------------

        Re: ART PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTIONS
        Sent: Yesterday, 17:21
        by aliciakeys

        Quote
        liarsexposed wrote:
        any answers to questions of this nature can be addressed by my attorney,and only my attorney
        You have his info

        ART if you claim you didn't commit sexual crimes against Sharon why are you telling me to contact your attorney? This doesn't make sense.

        -------------------------------------------------

        Re: ART PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTIONS
        Sent: Yesterday, 17:29
        by aliciakeys

        Quote
        liarsexposed wrote:
        any answers to questions of this nature can be addressed by my attorney,and only my attorney
        You have his info

        Quote
        liarsexposed wrote:
        I was born in 1963 Sharon

        There are no charges or even an accusation of the molestations you are making up. Its only a suggestion Marky,but think hard about how,and where you want to go with this.

        Thats all I will say about it. Create your own destiny


        Sharon.. you got nothing but rhetoric..bullshit..and personal insanity. Yup I gave you the high hard one. Then I left. Its 25 years ago. Is the pain still too much to bear ? See a shrink. No more explanations .. no more excuses

        You only want to find(and use) whatever you can (EVEN IF ITS A LIE) as a weapon

        Well lady (loose terminology) you have failed again. You must be used to failure. Thus far thats all you have shown every one.
        Go hug your children.. You'll feel better


        ART you stated, "Yup I gave you the high hard one. Then I left." Sharon would have been under the age of 18 and you over the age of 21. :beat:  :beat:

        -------------------------------------------------

        Re: ART PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTIONS
        Sent: Yesterday, 22:51
        by liarsexposed

        AM gonna answer your question once and once only
        I wont talk to a troll about anything significant
        Besides,isnt it your job to use whatever I say against me ?
        Reduced to Pretending to be others
        Now thats quite the quality of life you have there!
        Good luck

        -------------------------------------------------

        Quote aliciakeys Re: ART PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTIONS
        Sent: Today, 00:08
        by aliciakeys

        Quote
        liarsexposed wrote:
        AM gonna answer your question once and once only
        I wont talk to a troll about anything significant
        Besides,isnt it your job to use whatever I say against me ?
        Reduced to Pretending to be others
        Now thats quite the quality of life you have there!
        Good luck


        You didn't do anything wrong right ART? What do you got to hide?

        -------------------------------------------------

        Re: ART PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTIONS
        Sent: Today, 02:19
        by liarsexposed

        You must be very sad

        Another message and you get blocked   ::OMG::

        Ask me anything,in person

        You get nothing here

        -------------------------------------------------

        Re: ART PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTIONS
        Sent: 4 minutes ago
        From: aliciakeys
        To: liarsexposed  

        Re: ART PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTIONS
        Sent: Yesterday, 17:29
        by aliciakeys

        Quote
        liarsexposed wrote:
        any answers to questions of this nature can be addressed by my attorney,and only my attorney
        You have his info

        Quote
        liarsexposed wrote:
        I was born in 1963 Sharon

        There are no charges or even an accusation of the molestations you are making up. Its only a suggestion Marky,but think hard about how,and where you want to go with this.

        Thats all I will say about it. Create your own destiny


        Sharon.. you got nothing but rhetoric..bullshit..and personal insanity. Yup I gave you the high hard one. Then I left. Its 25 years ago. Is the pain still too much to bear ? See a shrink. No more explanations .. no more excuses

        You only want to find(and use) whatever you can (EVEN IF ITS A LIE) as a weapon

        Well lady (loose terminology) you have failed again. You must be used to failure. Thus far thats all you have shown every one.
        Go hug your children.. You'll feel better

        ART,

        Does any of your family people know you gave a minor "The high hard one?" How long have you kept this a secret from them eh?

         :jawdrop:

        -------------------------------------------------
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on August 06, 2010, 12:46:32 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Well Anne
        I will answer anyone's questions
        a) Either in person
        b) through my attorney

        Through your attorney?!?! Sounds like you're afraid and avoiding the simple question.  If there was nothing to the story, you'd be talking up a storm about it.  But  with this, you could possibly find yourself in a world of trouble.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on August 06, 2010, 01:00:50 PM
        I really was trying to be polite Anne
        But I guess I'll come right out and say it again
        I dont wish to have a conversation with you,or any of your alias' either
        But if you must.. Its easier to fly into General Mitchell than Ohare
        Dont you have a husband,a nice boat,and a home ?
        Yet this is what you choose to do 10 hours a day
        How sad
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: aliciakeys on August 06, 2010, 01:04:28 PM
        Art still refusing to reply to my last PM!!!  Don't worry nobody will tell!!! ::OMG::   ::OMG::
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Froderik on August 06, 2010, 01:12:23 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        I really was trying to be polite Anne
        But I guess I'll come right out and say it again
        I dont wish to have a conversation with you,or any of your alias' either
        But if you must.. Its easier to fly into General Mitchell than Ohare
        Dont you have a husband,a nice boat,and a home ?
        Yet this is what you choose to do 10 hours a day
        How sad
        Jesus fucking Christ man... if there's nothing to say, then there's nothing to say. So maybe you should stop replying then. I guess whoever will see you in court, or whatever... 74 fucking pages of this bullshit, it's about time people stopped posting on this pointless thread. This is directed at everyone, as of right now. Thanks.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on August 06, 2010, 01:17:58 PM
        I think sharon has been through enough
        Why would you continue to play this out
        Exactly what is your personal gain from this nonesense ?
        Is there a point you are trying to make
        Is it ok to scapegoat Sharon for your own personal entertainment ?
        Especially at a time when she needs more than you can obviously give
        Do you understand that her son is on a coma ? Do you understand that her entire life has been turned upside down and she hurts
        You have no class. Certainly no heart. No wonder this is your favorite place to attract attention.
        Ask Sharon for your answers.. You will get no  more response from me
        You are truly disturbed
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: aliciakeys on August 06, 2010, 01:23:02 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        I think sharon has been through enough
        Why would you continue to play this out
        Exactly what is your personal gain from this nonesense ?
        Is there a point you are trying to make
        Is it ok to scapegoat Sharon for your own personal entertainment ?
        Especially at a time when she needs more than you can obviously give
        Do you understand that her son is on a coma ? Do you understand that her entire life has been turned upside down and she hurts
        You have no class. Certainly no heart. No wonder this is your favorite place to attract attention.
        Ask Sharon for your answers.. You will get no  more response from me
        You are truly disturbed

        Art when did you care about her?  You gave her the high hard one when she was a minor and you were an adult!!!  That is something you will having to live with ART!!!  The pain, the guilt...  Shame...  Anger...  If you really cared you would make amends, admit your mistakes to her and move on like a real man would!!!
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: 007 on August 06, 2010, 01:30:39 PM
        Quote from: "aliciakeys"
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        I think sharon has been through enough
        Why would you continue to play this out
        Exactly what is your personal gain from this nonesense ?
        Is there a point you are trying to make
        Is it ok to scapegoat Sharon for your own personal entertainment ?
        Especially at a time when she needs more than you can obviously give
        Do you understand that her son is on a coma ? Do you understand that her entire life has been turned upside down and she hurts
        You have no class. Certainly no heart. No wonder this is your favorite place to attract attention.
        Ask Sharon for your answers.. You will get no  more response from me
        You are truly disturbed

        Art when did you care about her?  You gave her the high hard one when she was a minor and you were an adult!!!  That is something you will having to live with ART!!!  The pain, the guilt...  Shame...  Anger...  If you really cared you would make amends, admit your mistakes to her and move on like a real man would!!!

        You made a good point alicia.  Art should make amends with Sharon but I don't think he is man enough to do it.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Froderik on August 06, 2010, 01:47:46 PM
        Yeah i wish Art would "cop to his guilt" so this thread can die already!
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on August 06, 2010, 03:49:56 PM
        Quote from: "Froderik"
        Yeah i wish Art would "cop to his guilt" so this thread can die already!



         :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  Amen Amen, but he will never do that, and you already know it. So let his exposure continue, as all could see it was really quiet and courteous around here for awhile, but back came Big Bad Farty. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:


        He seeks this kind of attention " Froderik " and loves the responses, the bad part is, in his anger he admits to things that are morally and legally wrong, and cant fight off the question that follow.So answer the questions everyone has about your confession  Farty. We all know the answers already, you told us " stupid " in your confession.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Froderik on August 06, 2010, 03:52:09 PM
        Quote from: "mark babitz"
        He seeks this kind of attention and loves the responses

        Hmm...so why continue to give it to him?
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on August 06, 2010, 03:58:16 PM
        Quote from: "Froderik"
        Quote from: "mark babitz"
        He seeks this kind of attention and loves the responses

        Hmm...so why continue to give it to him?



        He deserves it and anything else people cant throw out there.
        He is one of those people that it's joy to stand up to and expose, he is just a bully and likes to pick on the weak.
        We have been rolling along just fine before and after Farty and will again. He is just a bump in the road, thats fun to go over.       LOL  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on August 06, 2010, 06:35:33 PM
        HA hA
        Marky you are a trip
        The only lies here are the ones you tell. As can be seen by everything you have posted. Do you really think I (or anyone else that reads your drivel) cares or gives 1 second of thought about you (or me) on this forum ? You are whacked dude.
        But its ok
        Because you are right. I dont belong here. The only reason I am here (as the name plainly states) is to expose your multiple lies and screen names. Having you dance and spin for me is entertaining sometimes. Tho yesterday I had to walk away from the computer as you seemed VERY upset. I call that mission accomplished
        How does a person fall this far Marky ?
        Have you left the house today ? The basement ?
        Now make sure you sign in as the Reporter or whomever else so you can agree with yourself.
        LOL
        Attention ? From you ?... Ya thats what I live for LOL
        I bet your family is very proud of you. In fact I have a little something for you.
        Details to follow
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on August 06, 2010, 06:39:03 PM
        Quote from: "aliciakeys"
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        I think sharon has been through enough
        Why would you continue to play this out
        Exactly what is your personal gain from this nonesense ?
        Is there a point you are trying to make
        Is it ok to scapegoat Sharon for your own personal entertainment ?
        Especially at a time when she needs more than you can obviously give
        Do you understand that her son is on a coma ? Do you understand that her entire life has been turned upside down and she hurts
        You have no class. Certainly no heart. No wonder this is your favorite place to attract attention.
        Ask Sharon for your answers.. You will get no  more response from me
        You are truly disturbed

        Art when did you care about her?  You gave her the high hard one when she was a minor and you were an adult!!!  That is something you will having to live with ART!!!  The pain, the guilt...  Shame...  Anger...  If you really cared you would make amends, admit your mistakes to her and move on like a real man would!!!



        A couple of months ago he hoped she would drown or had an anchor for her or something like that, non the less they were not well wishes , nor does she want your well wishes now or ever, or anything to do with you ' a quote from Sharon  " who I obviously speak to daily and was called from the seine of the accident first not you Farty you fake. She hates you worse than anything you pedophile, and she doesnt forget the toucher you have put her and family threw you sick bastard and stalker. :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on August 06, 2010, 06:41:19 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        HA hA
        Marky you are a trip
        The only lies here are the ones you tell. As can be seen by everything you have posted. Do you really think I (or anyone else that reads your drivel) cares or gives 1 second of thought about you (or me) on this forum ? You are whacked dude.
        But its ok
        Because you are right. I dont belong here. The only reason I am here (as the name plainly states) is to expose your multiple lies and screen names. Having you dance and spin for me is entertaining sometimes. Tho yesterday I had to walk away from the computer as you seemed VERY upset. I call that mission accomplished
        How does a person fall this far Marky ?
        Have you left the house today ? The basement ?
        Now make sure you sign in as the Reporter or whomever else so you can agree with yourself.
        LOL
        Attention ? From you ?... Ya thats what I live for LOL
        I bet your family is very proud of you. In fact I have a little something for you.
        Details to follow



        I dont want anything from you Farty it's probably dirty and not legal. Big mouth just answer the questions about when you took advantage of young girls sick-o.


        PS You aren't threatening me again are you Farty ??
        No ones afraid of you big bad farty you bring things on yourself by not leaving people alone.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on August 06, 2010, 07:01:10 PM
        http://www.google.com/url?q=nbc++docume ... AVlnIVr1Gg (http://www.google.com/url?q=nbc++documentary+joe+ricci+at+elan+school&url=/aclk%3Fsa%3DL%26ai%3DCZ1-_V5NcTKCmHpWL8wbB8YjkCNfIzLcBp7La4hePraG2SQgAEAEgybitC1Dj7_fWA2DJjo6I8KPsEsgBAaoEG0_QXKKOT7DfLT0CDrZZMWv0s8cDibMKhU1cJA%26sig%3DAGiWqtyOTQiJ1HRWH5gSXgDD7uyiOWGx7g%26adurl%3Dhttp://sites.google.com/site/recentelanabuse/&rct=j&ei=V5NcTJqGG8P68AbUgOHyAQ&usg=AFQjCNFd0KPCGwpATmvAjsR9AVlnIVr1Gg)




        e at Elan
         
         
        Search this site
        Stay away from Elan or your child will be irreparably hurt.
        This page is intended for anyone interested in sending a child to the Elan School in Poland, Maine.  Children and teens are taken here, isolated, and given a course of "therapy" that consists entirely of degradation and hurting other people.  Elan victims are utterly brainwashed on a par with the strongest cults.

        Normal or even exhausted parents and social workers would never associate with (much less ship their child to) Elan if they understood just a part of what would happen.  The aim of this small site is to display recent proof of torture, and to demonstrate that traumatic abuse occurs for all students from the start of their time at Elan.  Conditions at Elan are below those of federal prisons, mental health facilities, military and private boot camps, and even comparable therapeutic boarding schools.

        Elan has a notorious reputation that works to its advantage with understandably desperate parents, social workers or juvenile justice professionals.  Elan was once known for its barbaric disciplinary methods--now, Elan insists that the torture is gone, but the sternness and effectiveness of their program is intact.

        Elan administrators maintain that the prior abuses that took place during the '70s and '80s are completely separate from what occurs today.  The testimonies on this site are only from people who were held in Elan long after the 2002 Moxley murder case that exposed early abuse at Elan and led Elan to publicly (and falsely) promise that the program had changed.

        http://www.heal-online.org/elan_jess_charnov.pdf (http://www.heal-online.org/elan_jess_charnov.pdf).]

        DECLARATION UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY PURSUANT TO 28 USCA 1746
        I, Jessica Lauren Charnov declare and state as follows:

        1. The Elan School located in Poland, Maine, emotionally abuses its students and forces other students to emotionally abuse other students.  I was in the Elan School
        from March 2004 to June 2007.

        We were told we had to partake in an act called "getting our feelings off."  This consisted of us yelling, swearing at and degrading our fellow students.  We would do this twice a week for an hour each day.  When another student got his/her feelings off for you, you had to just sit still and not move a muscle because the slightest movement would suggest you were "reacting."  I remember being called such names as "psycho," "bitch," "asshole," "hospital case," "freak," "disgusting," "stupid," "crazy," etc.  I was told things like "I fucking hate your guts," "I hope you fucking die," "stay the fuck away from me," "I don't fucking like you," "fuck off," etc.  I was called more derogatory names, but this is just to give you an idea of what is systematically done.

        I was told that I was a "lazy piece of shit," there were many more names and phrases, I could go on for days.  If we did not "get your feelings off" we were punished and told that we were never going to change, that we were just being the same person that got us sent there.  If we retorted back with anything, we were sent to scrub floors, toilets, sink, showers, sometimes whole rooms as a form of discipline for hours on end.  We were taught that not "getting our feelings off" was wrong and a punishable offense.  I still hear the screams of my fellow students throughout the day at times.  [Editor: If you visit the Elan facility during an afternoon with no scheduled tours, you will certainly hear non-stop hateful screaming for hours on end.]  I don't hate them for it--it was what we had to do to to "move up in the program" and "better ourselves."

        2. The Elan School forces students that are in certain positions of higher power (in Elan jargon, known as strength or high-strength positions) to handle responsibilities that should have been solely staff responsibilities. Responsibilities included but were not limited to; assisting staff with restraining fellow students, watching students who were at risk of running away, chasing after runaway students and standing in front of doors to be a security guard throughout the day. In my house/unit in Elan (Elan 8) I was considered to "be a strength" for about half of my stay (about a year and a half).

        On my 17th birthday, we went to Boston, MA as a rare house trip.  I was celebrating my birthday and having a good time when another student decided to take the opportunity to run away. Once we saw that she had run away, myself and the other strength in our group were told to run after her.  So we did, but we couldn't catch up to her.  The police then caught her later on that
        evening and brought her to the Cambridge police station.  Our group took a separate van to go pick her up from the police station.  Two students (Kara and Lisa) and a staff (Missy) were sent in to escort her into the van and to take her back to Maine immediately.  She tried to attack them and said that she was going to kill herself so she was discharged and put into a psych ward instead.

        We were all told it was our fault that she ran away, and some girls lost their "strength" status because of it.  According to the staff, it was all of our faults, and we were lectured about how she is now unable to get the opportunity to change as we did.

        I was forced to aid in restraining one of my best friends at the time, Gillian.  Myself and about four other girls held her down as she spit at us and tried to bite us.  She screamed "fuck
        you" and "get the fuck away from me" over and over and over again.  It hurt me so much, I didn't want to restrain her...but I had to because it was my "job" or "duty" or whatever you want to call it.  If I had refused to do so, I would be "compromising the security of others" and not "doing my job."  I would have lost my strength position, reduced to scrubbing floors for hours a day and had fellow students "get their feelings off for me" in groups and being told by staff that I was "a failure and a coward" for not "stepping up to the plate."

        In order to become a strength position you had to do what the staff told you, whatever it was, no questions asked.  What students were instructed to do from there first day of arrival is "put blind faith in staff."  This principle was drilled into our heads to the point staff members were "saviors" to us.  So being a "strength" made you feel as though you were closer to God, and the higher up on the ladder you were, the closer you were to "getting better" and changing.  You had to lie, manipulate and look good at the expense of others to do so, but it was all about the label.

        3. The Elan School fits the clinical description of a cult almost perfectly:

        "Limitation of communication with those outside the group. Books,
        magazines, letters and visits with friends and family are discouraged or even
        banned."

        When you first come in, you are stripped of anything that you used to wear clothing-wise, and told it is wrong that you dress that way.  You are given plain t-shirts and a pair of jeans that they ask you parents to send up for you.  Girls shirts have to be shirts that don't show any skin, otherwise you would be wearing it to "seek attention" and bring your sexual appeal into the program, according to staff.  There were more guidelines as to what you could or couldn't wear, but to be honest there were so many I can't remember them all.

        When you come in you are not allowed to talk to parents until you write a letter telling them all they things you have done wrong and have them write back to accept the letter.  You also were not allowed to have visits for more then several hours unless you were in a "strength" position.  You were not allowed to go back home unless you were a high-strength position.  The only contact that you were allowed to have was with you immediate family at first.  If you became strength and "changed" you could talk to non-extended family depending on the circumstances of your family.

        The message conveyed to me by [staff member] Missy Esty was, "You miss your parents, don't you?  Well the only way you can see them for more then a few hours, is to listen to us and get a strength position."  But even strength positions didn't guarantee visits.  In my three years and a third months of being there I only saw my father twice (not including when he was there for my high school graduation).  Tanya [staff member] told me, "If you love your father as much as you say you do, you would be higher then a non-strength now, wouldn't you?"

        We weren't allowed to read magazines, books, or the entertainment part of the newspaper unless we had privileges which were obtained by continuing to follow the rules.  Phone calls with parents were very restricted.  Students received one phone call a week for fifteen minutes. These calls were monitored by other students or the staff in case you had anything bad to say about your experiences at the school or with staff members.  Although family visits aren't banned, they are very limited and you are told what you can and can't tell your parents. Contact is very restricted as well as censored.

        New members become convinced of the higher purpose and special calling
        of the group through a profound encounter, i.e. an alleged miracle or the prophetic
        word of the group."

        There was a staff member by the name of Marc Rosenberg.  He was feared so much by students, and he was like the back bone of the school.  He harbored a lot of the old-school teaching of Elan.  Seeing that he was one of the first batch of graduates to leave the school, when he came to the school, he would run general meetings, even stopping meals to do so.  [Ed.--A general meeting is when a student is required to stand in front of the entire house and is graphically berated or made to cry by staff. After the observing students are incensed at the student's "crimes," all students are required to stand in front of the victim, four at a time, and "get their feelings off" for the subject of the GM.]

        A general meeting was called for myself because I had not made my bed consistently in the manner of perfection required.  Marc Rosenberg raised his voice at me, making a joke, saying, "Why don't we just have you scrub out the dumpsters wearing a pink polka-dotted dress with a a toothbrush.  All you are living in is filth, it would suit you very well."  Afterward, everyone proceeded to laugh.  Then, bringing out my bed before the entire student body, he told me I was not allowed food until I had made my bed ten times in the manner he would accept.  I made my bed, asking him to accept it.  He picked up all of my bedding and threw it on the floor, saying that it was not acceptable and to do it again.  Along with some swearing, and the words, "When are you going to get it?  This isn't acceptable, and this isn't going to work. You will not 'get over' [be lazy] on me."  I was denied lunch that day, and almost dinner until [staff member] Tim Mishu accepted it and allowed me to eat dinner.  Marc came only twice my whole stay for a period of a few months.  It was mandated by staff members to scream at people during a general meeting, regardless of whether or not it was how we actually felt.  This would gain us praise in the eyes of Marc Rosenberg.  His word was considered to be much more meaningful, and much more important than that of any of the other members or staff there.

        "An explicit goal of the group is to bring about some kind of change, be it
        global, social or personal."

        Every night, a student was required to read the "Elan Philosophy" to the entire student body right before dorm time.  We were told to live by it and we would do well.  It was a nightly ritual.  Every student was convinced that it was solely their life goal to graduate the program.  Failure to do so meant that you were now worthless and would never get along in the world--a hopeless case, unable to change, unwilling to change and unwanting to change, or so labeled by the staff.

        "The group's perspective is absolutely true and completely adequate to explain everything. The doctrine is not subject to amendments or question. Absolute
        conformity is required."

        People who disobeyed the rules were treated poorly.  A girl who was in my dorm decided to kiss another guy [a rare occurrence].  There was no sexual relationship and nothing more than a kiss.  She was told she was going to end up just like her mother because of it.  Her mother was found dead on the side of the road in Georgia a few months prior.  The girl, Lydia, was considered a whore by the whole house.  The staff had convinced us of this, or, had told us that was what she was.  She was then made to clean trashcans, toilets, bathrooms...just about everything, while the rest were told to relax.  If you were considered "shotdown" (moved to the lowest position in the program), you had no privileges at all.

        "A new vocabulary emerges within the context of the group. Group
        members "think" within the very abstract and narrow parameters of the group's
        doctrine. Loaded terms and cliches prejudice thinking."

        Certain terms that we were in the habit of using in the outside world we were not allowed to speak of in Elan. We were only allowed to call a person by there first name. Nicknames were not permitted and would result in a disciplinary actions. Any foreign languages were strictly forbidden.  If you spoke a foreign language with another student, you were immediately interrogated and accused of planning to escape, even if you were just trying to practice a language so that you could keep it.  I lost a lot of my French that I knew because of this.

        "Pre-group experience and group experience are narrowly interpreted
        through the absolute doctrine."

        Everything that happened before Elan was classified into being done because you felt one of five subcategories of feelings: Anger, Hurt, Concern, Intimidation, and Jealousy.  All of those feelings came from two primary feelings: Pain or Fear.  Every action you had ever done was categorized into something you did because you felt Pain (Anger, Hurt, Jealousy) or Fear (Concern, Intimidation).  If you claimed to not feel either one of the two, you were considered lying to yourself, no questions asked.  So, we lived in a world where the sum of our choices boiled down to being in pain or being in fear.  Happiness was something that we never really expressed because we were so engrossed in feelings of pain and fear that happiness seemed like such a surreal and false feeling.  The only thing that was ever validated was the pain and fear we felt or the pain and fear we had caused others in our pasts/present.

        "Salvation is possible only in the group. Those who leave the group are
        doomed."

        When you turn 18 you are given the option to do what's called, in lingo terms, "sign out."  Since you legally are under your own custody at the age of 18 in the United States, you may choose to leave Elan at your own free will.  But, the staff would call people who signed out "cowards" and people who were just too "scared of change."  When a student wanted to sign out, they had to go through a lot of emotional guilt-tripping just to do it.  There was no just handing the papers to you and leaving.  Sometimes you would be removed if you were over-demanding for your papers and "being negative," as you had other younger students (like myself) who were brainwashed into crying because one of their "family" was leaving prematurely.  [Ed.--Removal is one of the higher punishments at Elan.  Students are isolated and made to sit in a chair all day.  They are supervised by strength students and not allowed to talk, although non-strength students may never talk anyway.  Removals leave after being subjected to a general meeting. Prior to the publicity Elan received in the Moxley case, this was known as "the corner."]

        Students that left were told they would resort to a world of drugs.  The staff would bring up their past history and throw it in their faces, saying that they would "resort back to being the same person" if they left.  They would also tell them that they were "abandoning their fellow students."  If the student endures the emotional torture and decides to leave, they are immediately talked down upon, and we were warned not to turn out like them.

        Anyone who was pulled out of the program by their parents were considered to be in this category as well.  Basically, anyone who did not complete the program was made out to be "a failure", even if they had managed to obtain a high school diploma.  When I had received my high school diploma, [staff member] Peter Rowe told my mother, "You should start looking into a new group home or placement to place her in, and don't bother putting her in college.  She's not going to make it."  He told her this just because I had not graduated the program and I had only graduated high school.

        As if that wasn't enough, there are many issues with the way that Elan School staff members conduct themselves, as well as their treatment of students. There have always been issues. There were issues in the past before my attending, and there are issues to this day. This school needs a review for accreditation, as well as a review of their staff. I can understand if a punishment was, perhaps, cleaning. However, the amount of time being exposed to chemicals as well as forced to do physical labor with the threats of general meetings or something else are not ethical. Nor is dragging someone's bed out in front of the student body and forcing them to make it over and over, or degrading them because it is not to the liking of the staff.  Had I not agreed to make the bed, I would have been put in the dumpster and made to clean it with a toothbrush.

        On Elan's website, there are interview videos claiming how the school creates a change in people for the better.  These things are not true.  Horrible things happened to myself and many others there.  There are enough usergroups and discussions to prove that, with people telling their recollections of what had happened during their stay there.  This is not a correctional facility.  If it is a school, all of the instructors need a license to teach.  I have heard that many of them are lacking this.  I still have nightmares about some things that happened there, as well as about what I was made to do to my friends and others.  This has been taken lightly for far too long.

        I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct--November 15th, 2009.



           :cheers:  :cheers:  Good story  :cheers:  :cheers:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on August 06, 2010, 08:02:30 PM
        Here's another great story
        Marky is very upset that he has been exposed and has been throwing this little tantrum for days.
        the game is over babbletits
        You lose
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on August 06, 2010, 09:58:54 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Here's another great story
        Marky is very upset that he has been exposed and has been throwing this little tantrum for days.
        the game is over babbletits
        You lose



        Does that mean we dont have to be threatened and tormented by you and your lie's and foulness anymore ??
        Goodbye Farty thanks for your great words and input, you wont be missed. As far as tantrums, your the one bouncing off the wall threatening people and avoiding confrontation on your lie's and confessions. You dont scare anyone Farty your a coward and a bully, and we all know that. So answer the questions asked of you by everyone here or just go away
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on August 06, 2010, 10:12:16 PM
        http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... yNs6Dl0Cfw (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcnewsarchives.com%2F&ei=oL5cTOuJD8qBOKaftL0J&usg=AFQjCNEsY1u-nDOlOD80Uq40yNs6Dl0Cfw)





           Places: Arizona;Maine
        Reporters: Robert Rogers
        Dates: 1980/02/28
        Recorded Date: 1980/02/28
        Media Type: AS
         
        A 17 YEAR OLD GIRL SCREAMS DURING CONFRONTATIONAL THERAPY AT THE ELAN TREATMENT CENTER IN MAINE. MEDICAL DIRECTOR GERALD DAVIDSON COMMENTS. A TEENAGE GIRL GETS SCREAMED AT BY OTHER RESIDENTS AT ELAN. FOUNDER JOE RICCI COMMENTS. THE GROUNDS ARE SEEN. YOUNGSTERS DO CLEANING CHORES AT ELAN. THEY ATTEND CLASS AT NIGHT. ONE IS SEEN WITH A DUNCECAP ON. RICCI COMMENTS ON THOSE RESIDENTS THAT KEEP WATCH ON THE REST. KIDS SCREAM AT EACH OTHER DURING A THERAPY SESSION. RICCI COMMENTS ON THE CORPORAL PUNISHMENT USED AT ELAN. A GIRL COMMENTS ON BEING SPANKED. A BOY COMMENTS ON BEING BEATEN UP IN A BOXING RING BY OTHER RESIDENTS. DURING A GENERAL MEETING THE ENTIRE HOUSEHOLD CONFRONTS ONE TEENAGE GIRL UNTIL SHE ADMITS SHE WAS DISHONEST WITH HERSELF. DR MILTON SHORE OF THE NAT INST OF MENTAL HEALTH SAYS THE USE OF CONFRONTATIONAL THERAPY MUST BE USED WITH EXTREME CARE. DR DAVIDSON SAYS THEY GIVE THEIR RESIDENTS CONSTANT SUPPORT. GRADUATES OF ELAN SAY THEY WERE HELPED BY THE PROGRAM. TROUBLED TEENAGERS TAKE PART IN A WAGON TRAIN RUN BY VISIONQUEST IN ARIZONA. FOUNDER BOB BURTON COMMENTS. CONFRONTATIONAL THERAPY TAKES PLACE BETWEEN STAFF MEMBER AND TEENAGER. VISIONQUEST GRADUATE MIKE LASKEY SAYS HE WAS HELPED BY THE PROGRAM. BURTON CONFRONTS MIKE IN FRONT OF HIS FATHER. MIKE TAKES PART IN A MOUNTAIN CLIMB CONDUCTED BY VISIONQUEST ALONG WITH NINE OTHER RESIDENTS. 16 YEAR OLD SHELLY ALSO TAKES PART IN THE CLIMB AND IS SEEN IN CONFRONTATIONAL THERAPY. SHE SAYS SHE LIKES THE ATTENTION SHE RECEIVES. MIKE IS SEEN AS A FULL TIME MEMBER 3 MONTHS LATER; SAYS HE LIKES BEING THERE. HIS PARENTS COMMENT. THE CLOSED DOWN CIRCLE S RANCH IN ARIZONA IS SEEN. A PHOTO OF FOUNDER LEO STEIN IS SHOWN. EX CASE WORKER JOANN GELB COMMENTS ON SEXUAL ABUSE CHARGES MADE BY A RUNAWAY AT THE RANCH THAT RESULTED IN IT BEING CLOSED DOWN. FORMER RANCH RESIDENTS COMMENT ON THE SEXUAL PERVERSITY THAT WAS FORCED ON THEM BY STEIN. A MOTHER OF ONE OF THE RESIDENTS COMMENTS. DR SHORE SAYSCONTROLS ARE NEEDED. CUS OF SOME OF THE YOUNGSTERS DEPICTED IN THE PROGRAM ARE SHOWN. D3 & BETA SP XFER. AVAILABLE ON FILM: PRT2076 (AIR) & PRT2077 (PROT
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on August 06, 2010, 10:29:40 PM
        Thank You!
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        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: justonemore on August 07, 2010, 12:09:26 AM
        Wow! Babitz.... How thoroughly and ineffectually you work to discredit that girls testimony.
        Having spent many, many hours in 'interview', Mr.Babitz, i'll just say that her testimony has 'the ring of truth'.
        Yours does not. I hear a Guilty Dog Barkin' Loud, in the South,that's the one we shoot. Wish You Were Here!
        J.O.M.
         ::unhappy::
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on August 07, 2010, 10:01:34 AM
        Quote from: "justonemore"
        Wow! Babitz.... How thoroughly and ineffectually you work to discredit that girls testimony.
        Having spent many, many hours in 'interview', Mr.Babitz, i'll just say that her testimony has 'the ring of truth'.
        Yours does not. I hear a Guilty Dog Barkin' Loud, in the South,that's the one we shoot. Wish You Were Here!
        J.O.M.
         ::unhappy::



        Perhaps your eye's are bad or you are just plane stupid I thing stupid."If " you were smart enough to read and comprehend which obviously you are not, the only one I have discredited or argued with is Fart, no one else you moron. The article above is from a trailer on the story done at Elan, you stupid idiot. Here you moron, the story was done on 2/28/1980, if you were even born yet, you dont sound very old nor smart, and it was about the treatments at Elan. The program was a Date Line NBC production called "For The Child's Own Good " and for yours, stick to your own business, you make yourself look stupid when you comment on things you dont know anything about. Dont get lost in your back yard or woods as you call it. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:



        PS Everything that 17 year old girl is saying is true, and a testimony to Elans sicknesses. Maybe you should try and read closer and also pay attention to who I am and my purpose. I dont like Elan nor wish to see them continue, and if you we able to read and understand my posts you would , as everyone already knows I hate Elan and was one of the 11 kids pulled out by the State of Ill for abuse charges against Elan in 1975


        http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=n ... WK7tX1wnjg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=news&cd=2&ved=0CCgQqQIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fid%3DRD4pAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3D5WUFAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D4554%2C3291521%26dq%3Dyouth%2Breturns%2Bto%2Belan%2B1975%26hl%3Den&ei=MmtdTKd6w4LyBreegbQN&usg=AFQjCNGln3yfcQp6S2Qj_vnuWK7tX1wnjg)



        Go to page one and you will see my name in bold print.
        "
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: DannyB II on August 07, 2010, 01:26:58 PM
        Quote from: "justonemore"
        Wow! Babitz.... How thoroughly and ineffectually you work to discredit that girls testimony.
        Having spent many, many hours in 'interview', Mr.Babitz, i'll just say that her testimony has 'the ring of truth'.
        Yours does not. I hear a Guilty Dog Barkin' Loud, in the South,that's the one we shoot. Wish You Were Here!
        J.O.M.
         ::unhappy::


        JOM,
        Either you enjoy sick twisted games, when you are bored or horny, whichever cums first, or as Mark said, "you are a moron".
        Read jerk off.... :rofl:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on August 07, 2010, 02:02:48 PM
        Quote from: "DannyB II"
        Quote from: "justonemore"
        Wow! Babitz.... How thoroughly and ineffectually you work to discredit that girls testimony.
        Having spent many, many hours in 'interview', Mr.Babitz, i'll just say that her testimony has 'the ring of truth'.
        Yours does not. I hear a Guilty Dog Barkin' Loud, in the South,that's the one we shoot. Wish You Were Here!
        J.O.M.
         ::unhappy::


        JOM,
        Either you enjoy sick twisted games, when you are bored or horny, whichever cums first, or as Mark said, "you are a moron".
        Read jerk off.... :rofl:

         
        Gee Danny
        I was wondering how long it would take to find your sorry ass in this thread. What the hell, you are in every other one. How many threads does this make "Attention Seeker" ? I bet you are in well over 100 threads. Dont you ever work. Dont you have any friends ? Why are you always here adding your 2 cents where it doesnt belong.
        You and Marky must Text each other all day.. The other day, I dont think either of you left the basement
        Marky will be back as soon as he is done servicing the homeless men at the Train station. Probably with stains on his cheeks,and a little spare change in his purse
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: DannyB II on August 07, 2010, 02:15:29 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Quote from: "DannyB II"
        Quote from: "justonemore"
        Wow! Babitz.... How thoroughly and ineffectually you work to discredit that girls testimony.
        Having spent many, many hours in 'interview', Mr.Babitz, i'll just say that her testimony has 'the ring of truth'.
        Yours does not. I hear a Guilty Dog Barkin' Loud, in the South,that's the one we shoot. Wish You Were Here!
        J.O.M.
         ::unhappy::


        JOM,
        Either you enjoy sick twisted games, when you are bored or horny, whichever cums first, or as Mark said, "you are a moron".
        Read jerk off.... :rofl:

         
        Gee Danny
        I was wondering how long it would take to find your sorry ass in this thread. What the hell, you are in every other one. How many threads does this make "Attention Seeker" ? I bet you are in well over 100 threads. Dont you ever work. Dont you have any friends ? Why are you always here adding your 2 cents where it doesnt belong.
        You and Marky must Text each other all day.. The other day, I dont think either of you left the basement
        Marky will be back as soon as he is done servicing the homeless men at the Train station. Probably with stains on his cheeks,and a little spare change in his purse


        Yes Art I notice you, here is a tidbit.
        Normally I would go to where you dock the boat, come down knock the shit out of you and take your boat but I'm not feeling that violent anymore, that is probably good for you.
        Go away Art.

        Bye Bye
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: justonemore on August 07, 2010, 04:44:12 PM
        Gee Whiz, Mark, Ya got me! Touche! See, i was out in my backyard, playing with my G.I. Joe 'action figures' When mom called, said you'd called me a 'moron'. I'm not sure what a moron is, but I hope it's good.
        According to Ambrose Bierce "the idiots are a large and powerful tribe". Is it like that? are 'Morons a large and powerful tribe, too? Can you sign me up?
        Maybe 'morons are like 'prions' , a fundemental element of the biological world, similiar to viri, or like psions or muons, poorly understood elements of the quanta that make up our world. Huh?
        Thanks Marky
        J.O.M.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: DannyB II on August 07, 2010, 04:53:59 PM
        Quote from: "justonemore"
        Gee Whiz, Mark, Ya got me! Touche! See, i was out in my backyard, playing with my G.I. Joe 'action figures' When mom called, said you'd called me a 'moron'. I'm not sure what a moron is, but I hope it's good.
        According to Ambrose Bierce "the idiots are a large and powerful tribe". Is it like that? are 'Morons a large and powerful tribe, too? Can you sign me up?
        Maybe 'morons are like 'prions' , a fundemental element of the biological world, similiar to viri, or like psions or muons, poorly understood elements of the quanta that make up our world. Huh?
        Thanks Marky
        J.O.M.

        Mark,
         Ya know what is really sad about this dude, he is the only one entertained by his dribble. Otherwise he is really not a bad dude.
        Title: Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
        Post by: Joel on August 07, 2010, 04:59:24 PM
        Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: justonemore on August 07, 2010, 05:12:43 PM
        Why Yes, Danny B, I am entertained by my DRIVEL! That's why I write it. ( Drivel refers to spurious writing or speech,ie; inconsequential. Dribble, on the other hand, refers to a physical phenomena pertaining to fluid dynamics) Just so you know.
        J.O.M.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: justonemore on August 07, 2010, 05:14:40 PM
        Wish you were here!
        J.O.M.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on August 07, 2010, 06:47:17 PM
        Quote from: "DannyB II"
        Quote from: "justonemore"
        Wow! Babitz.... How thoroughly and ineffectually you work to discredit that girls testimony.
        Having spent many, many hours in 'interview', Mr.Babitz, i'll just say that her testimony has 'the ring of truth'.
        Yours does not. I hear a Guilty Dog Barkin' Loud, in the South,that's the one we shoot. Wish You Were Here!
        J.O.M.
         ::unhappy::


        JOM,
        Either you enjoy sick twisted games, when you are bored or horny, whichever cums first, or as Mark said, "you are a moron".
        Read jerk off.... :rofl:



        Danny this guy and his crew are some of most fucked up I have seen , This Justonemore has to be one of the dumbest yet he is absolutely clueless of what even going on here. Who passed gas and blew him or her in here ?? and what the hell is he or she even talking about, first off he or she should at least use their real name, even liarsexposed kind of does. So if your going to bring it, step to the plate like an adult. or at least try to, you moron.



        Danny I cant believe he or she didnt understand the article and what it meant or is too  stupid to read my follow up with the article with me in it.?? Another one to add to the pile. :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl: The story of my past at Elan made front page couldn't he or she see that,?? I cant believe the utter stupidity of people. Daming someone in the article and discredit them , Are they for real ,??  I was one of those articles
        my state was the first state to ever take Elan to court for abuse and toucher. That was Illinois if they couldn't read the print or knows any of Elans real sorted and dark past. Obviously not paying attention in life. But after reading their words I do see the pattern.I went back there to run crazy and have fun with the ass holes like Marty who I knew couldn't do shit. Prior to Illinois stepping in it was no cake walk, it was the testing grounds for the future Elan. And I and we saw and experienced some pretty unexplainable times. My back wasn't cover by anyone until Illinois stepped in and put the guard dog's next to us. I was 14-15 years old and starting to have fun in life so to go back there and just run them crazy was worth all of the last eight months in Parsonsfield. the MC Cann house of hell.



        Were is his or hers 15 seconds of fame,?? Spent beating off the dog ??, Danny you and Anne should call a truce and tag team this ass hole I will lead the charge, :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:



        Thanks for stepping up Danny, and I did post all the things KC & Diane and you wanted if not I will look harder. But I think thats the path and should at least be a real good start, if those things are still available
        I was doing estimates all day in the city so I just look real quick last night. Call me if that stuff doesn't work, on my cell. Thanks Danny  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on August 07, 2010, 07:11:34 PM
        Yes Art I notice you, here is a tidbit.
        Normally I would go to where you dock the boat, come down knock the shit out of you and take your boat but I'm not feeling that violent anymore, that is probably good for you.
        Go away Art.

        Bye Bye[/quote]
         
        LOL I wonder whats stopping you
        Common sense ?
        Lack of Sack ?
        Most of you are just cowards to begin with...the ones that arent dont lie cheat and steal.. Led by your fearless leader Cumburper Babbletits... Pulls onto my street but when he gets caught,drives away,in reverse,for 3 blocks. What were you here for Marky ? Marky has made sure that you all have my address and phone number.
        WTF is stopping you boy ?
        Yes I feel so much better that you dont feel violent. Phewww I was SO scared for a NJano-Second
        Loser
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on August 08, 2010, 10:29:13 AM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Yes Art I notice you, here is a tidbit.
        Normally I would go to where you dock the boat, come down knock the shit out of you and take your boat but I'm not feeling that violent anymore, that is probably good for you.
        Go away Art.

        Bye Bye

        LOL I wonder whats stopping you
        Common sense ?
        Lack of Sack ?
        Most of you are just cowards to begin with...the ones that arent dont lie cheat and steal.. Led by your fearless leader Cumburper Babbletits... Pulls onto my street but when he gets caught,drives away,in reverse,for 3 blocks. What were you here for Marky ? Marky has made sure that you all have my address and phone number.
        WTF is stopping you boy ?
        Yes I feel so much better that you dont feel violent. Phewww I was SO scared for a NJano-Second
        Loser[/quote]





        Outside of the truth, what are you afraid of,??  Your such a brave man, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  No one leads Danny around by the nose as you should be able to see by any of his post's.Could it be that Danny spotted a real ass hole and couldn't help but say something,?? I have known Danny for a few years now and yes that is what must of brought him to comment. And thank you Danny for speaking out you are right on brother. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on August 08, 2010, 11:08:47 AM
        Marky Babbletits,Gary standler,Joe Gerald,Elan Reporter,Jeff cooper
        I know I am missing a few
        But if there is a liar among us,its pretty clear who that is boy
        I am glad to be able to set you straight,and often..
        You should take those meds the doctor gave you
        You just may get yourself a membership card to the human race
        Your online persona's are very different than who you are in person. You are respected by no one. You are the joke of the day in a couple shops I do business with
        You lie,you steal,and you cheat regularly..  
        and you get caught.. each time
        Morning son.. You've been Bitchslapped by the truth again
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on August 08, 2010, 11:35:56 AM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Marky Babbletits,Gary standler,Joe Gerald,Elan Reporter,Jeff cooper
        I know I am missing a few
        But if there is a liar among us,its pretty clear who that is boy
        I am glad to be able to set you straight,and often..
        You should take those meds the doctor gave you
        You just may get yourself a membership card to the human race
        Your online persona's are very different than who you are in person. You are respected by no one. You are the joke of the day in a couple shops I do business with
        You lie,you steal,and you cheat regularly..  
        and you get caught.. each time
        Morning son.. You've been Bitchslapped by the truth again



        What amazes me is the Great Fart knows so much about someone he never met, But then you act that way with everyone. Don't shit yourself this morning, and by the way, while your telling of my alleged history in society answer the questions asked of you about being a pedophile and your confessions to it. Forget always concentration on me I am flattered but you need to stay on the point and the Question , And that is, Why did you admit to being a pedophile in your posts ??? Think that over in your 4 foot crawl space,my basement is 1200 sq ft of finished comfort,Hardwood floors and two carpeted bed rooms down bellow, an office and laundry facilities, You probably go to the laundry mat. But any how not bragging but stating facts. You got nothing looser. Dont miss that rent payment or some landlord like me will be throwing you out again, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on August 08, 2010, 01:58:48 PM
        Choose whatever weapon Marky
        I am comfy.. I like where I live. Everyone here likes me alot. I do just fine.. Thanks for your concern
        Now..... you want answers... cool
        You know my attorney's name and number
        Now about your lies Marky.. who are you pretending to be today ?
        I bet you are Captn America ! LOL
        Are you gonna sign in as someone else and agree with yourself ?
        Pretty please ?
        Flattered that I am,to have this kind of power over you,dont you think its a bit obsessive and creepy ? I mean 10 years ? 10 different screen names ? So obsessed that you checked out my address on the net AND in person ? Dont you think that says something about you ?
        What scared you more.. The Shotgun Joanne had,or my 300lbs of dogs ?
        Pussy/Coward
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on August 10, 2010, 09:37:52 AM
        http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=n ... 6zF1FvOfzg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=news&cd=9&ved=0CE4QqQIwCA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fid%3DHP8hAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DsGkFAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D2462%2C2099056%26dq%3Djoe%2Bricci%2Bgolden%2Bark%2Benterprises%26hl%3Den&ei=jb5gTMqYAoOC8gbK6sCeCQ&usg=AFQjCNHj-g6GQ-JX5ueHZlKM6zF1FvOfzg)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on August 10, 2010, 10:48:29 AM
        http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=n ... JHQiK5Yepw (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=news&cd=1&ved=0CCQQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fid%3Dmw40AAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DSyMIAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D4681%2C2366506%26dq%3Dshipplets%2Bshot%2Bby%2Bportland%2Bpolice%26hl%3Den&ei=kWVhTMTVD4-nnQe7kumXDQ&usg=AFQjCNGdtaXneEFDzlwssbswJHQiK5Yepw)


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        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on August 10, 2010, 10:52:34 AM
        http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=n ... fYruhi028A (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=news&cd=2&ved=0CCUQqQIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fid%3D1XggAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DiWcFAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D3388%2C1871688%26dq%3Djames%2Bshipplets%26hl%3Den&ei=bGdhTJq7JcL1nAeRiszNAQ&usg=AFQjCNHNQeAvHIfBrJxUr-eUfYruhi028A)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on August 10, 2010, 11:28:52 AM
        Feverishly pounding the keys this morning I see
        20-30 yr old newspaper articles that are irrelivent
        You the man... Your obvious obsession gets the best outa you every minute of every day
        Just the way I like to see you
        Spunout and damaged... Seeking attention
        Marky
        I miss Jeff Cooper. He is so cool. Could you sign in as him or maybe one of your other screen names
        Loser
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on August 11, 2010, 08:44:00 AM
        :jawdrop:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on August 11, 2010, 08:53:54 AM
        Wow
        Thanks but no thanks. I am sure its something I  have no interest in. Gay sex ? Fecal matter ?
        You are really extra boring
        How about you and Marky (cumbubbler) Babbletits hold hands and jump off the Well St bridge
        Now that would be a public service.
        Nice to be thought of tho
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on August 11, 2010, 09:52:29 AM
        http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... NzlR_yMp1A (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CCQQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fornits.com%2Fwwf%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D2%26t%3D5892&ei=VadiTJXqFoH-8AbIouT-CQ&usg=AFQjCNGkOJTDmDee3Kj7KkVNNzlR_yMp1A)



        http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... iwrumUbV6A (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=7&ved=0CCkQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fornits.com%2Fwwf%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D22%26t%3D29840%26start%3D930&ei=1qhiTMfPPML68Aa8mNjXCQ&usg=AFQjCNHBO5VWsZdct-1Ag5FQiwrumUbV6A)


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        viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11506&start=0&hilit=artman1111 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11506&start=0&hilit=artman1111)



        viewtopic.php?f=2&t=16456&p=207116&hilit=artman1111#p207116 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=16456&p=207116&hilit=artman1111#p207116)




        And the Fartman goes on and, on and, on, site to, site, year, by year, hated by all over, and over, and over,
         :jawdrop:  The Fart is blind and cant read that the problem  and his guilt is so high from all the screen names he uses, he thinks everyone is doing the same thing he is. No Farty it's true this many people dont like you and more just havent had time to check in and say it but stick around they will. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:



        http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... gPnPw2euUA (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CBYQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.activeboard.com%2Fforum.spark%3FaBID%3D3963%26p%3D3%26topicID%3D124528&ei=LLFiTKr7NoGC8gb5xIShCQ&usg=AFQjCNFpvzyYCJRG_Y3GOfZKgPnPw2euUA)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on August 11, 2010, 10:31:31 AM
        http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... 7-k--jfmGQ (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CBYQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sueschefftruth.com%2F%3Fp%3D8&ei=BbRiTMbRPML58AbXys3MCg&usg=AFQjCNEV0GGGqlL_js3mjRNG7-k--jfmGQ)



        More wind from the Great Farty  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:




        http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... rVzegWP3hA (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CBQQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.activeboard.com%2Fforum.spark%3FforumID%3D50154&ei=fMxiTMKcIML38AaHrM3dCg&usg=AFQjCNGBgiaHuNZXsA6rRKyNrVzegWP3hA)
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on August 11, 2010, 12:16:43 PM
        Awwe not enough attention when you post as yourself ?
        Poor Marky
        Is this the Screen name you use when trolling the gay porn sites for your next partner  ?
        Very weak Marky,tho typical
        Dont leave the basement today son.. Nothing for you in the real world anyway
        You must be mad that your former partner told you to get fucked
        Maybe you should grow up and try to act like you are 50
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on August 11, 2010, 12:39:03 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        I really was trying to be polite Anne
        But I guess I'll come right out and say it again
        I dont wish to have a conversation with you,or any of your alias' either

        I have no aliases here.  And you "not wishing to have a conversation"???   Bwaaahahahaahahaahaahaah......Sure, that's why you're here every day verbally vomiting all over anyone and everyone.

        Quote
        Dont you have a husband,a nice boat,and a home ?

        Yes, I do.....but I also have a job.


        Quote
        Yet this is what you choose to do 10 hours a day

        If you'll notice, I don't post much at all after 5:00 and don't start until 9:00 a.m.  Does that add up to 10 hours to you?

        Quote
        How sad

        I know....you just can't help yourself though.  I really do pity you.  Why don't you go to an AA meeting and talk about how mean everyone is to you.  I'm sure that'll help.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on August 11, 2010, 12:47:02 PM
        :notworthy:  :soapbox:  :notworthy:{  More Words From The Gospel Of Farty }  :notworthy:  :soapbox:




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        Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        by Paul St. John » 25 Jun 2010, 20:48

        Anne Bonney wrote:
        Paul St. John wrote:
        PS If you did have anything going for yourself, I think you tossed it out of the window with your prose about drowning Sharon.



        Huh? I must have missed that one. Wow.






        "You are a one woman riot Sharon
        Keep searching .. You got nothing on me... Keep spinning.. I love it when you dance for me
        I see you have had a big day of hate and bile
        How suprising. LOOOOLLLLLLL
        Its time to get in the water hun.. I have an anchor with your name on it..
        come on over and will see if you float"

        - Art " The Man" Washawski



        Oh yea that one too. :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:




        Name: Terrance Wilder
        city: Miami
        State: Fl
        From: 79
        until: 81
        House: e3
        Status: Alumni
        Date: 02 Jul 2008
        Time: 06:58:09

        Comments

        I see some familar names here and there and then there is Art Warshawsky who left out the part where he was involved with all the bs that went on at elan. There also is room in hell for you pal. You weren't no angel when you were a resident and a staff member, matter of fact you were standing side by side with the entire staff dishing out the abuse.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on August 11, 2010, 12:55:01 PM
        How flattering that you have devoted hours of your precious time to digging up old posts from years ago
        Maybe you should get a job Marky...
        That way you wouldnt look so creepy,regardless of which screen name you are using this hour LOL
        Anne........ I love you !
        Kiss
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on August 11, 2010, 12:55:56 PM
        :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  Does that about sum it up in a  NUT SHELL ???
        You are right Farty everyone loves you and always have it's our imagination right, ?? It's ok for years they have praised you every were, and all wish you the best. We can see that now, :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:
         :
         :karma:  :karma:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on August 11, 2010, 12:59:33 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        How flattering that you have devoted hours of your precious time to digging up old posts from years ago
        Maybe you should get a job Marky...
        That way you wouldnt look so creepy,regardless of which screen name you are using this hour LOL
        Anne........ I love you !
        Kiss




        " Anne "  I don't believe kisses toilet seats and no I am not Marky. I am someone else who doesn't like you Farty, now figure that ??   :fuckoff:  :karma:  :fuckoff:  And yes years people have told you , your shit doesn't that say anything to you ??   :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on August 11, 2010, 02:08:13 PM
        And yes years people have told you , your shit doesn't that say anything to you ??        
        Lack of command of the English Language must really suck. No Job,No Life.. Just hate
        Now thats some quality of life you got there
        Boring
        But dont stop on my account... I am enjoying your obvious pain
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: psy, on August 11, 2010, 02:36:01 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        And yes years people have told you , your shit doesn't that say anything to you ??        
        Lack of command of the English Language must really suck. No Job,No Life.. Just hate
        Now thats some quality of life you got there
        Boring
        But dont stop on my account... I am enjoying your obvious pain



        And my poor English was a test to see if you can reed . So glance over your years of bile and then get back under Eric's desk and get to work Fart Boy. oh by the way for someone who talks about people with extra time you stay pretty up to speed threw out the day. Ha Ha Busted again.  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: Anne Bonney on August 11, 2010, 02:54:52 PM
        Quote from: "psy,"
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        How flattering that you have devoted hours of your precious time to digging up old posts from years ago
        Maybe you should get a job Marky...
        That way you wouldnt look so creepy,regardless of which screen name you are using this hour LOL
        Anne........ I love you !
        Kiss




        " Anne "  I don't believe kisses toilet seats and no I am not Marky. I am someone else who doesn't like you Farty, now figure that ??   :fuckoff:  :karma:  :fuckoff:  And yes years people have told you , your shit doesn't that say anything to you ??   :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:

         ???
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on August 11, 2010, 03:56:27 PM
        And my poor English was a test to see if you can reed
        If I can REED ?
        Thanks Marky
        Its pretty obvious that you are spunout aagain and powerless over your own insanity. Tell us Mr Babbletits. What is worse ? Having this terrible obsession,or being too big a coward to  confront it. After all,I am just down the street boy ? You must enjoy the attention from Anne,and your other screen names.
        Now sign in as Jeff cooper and agree with yourself
        LOL
        Cmere Marky.. Gimme a hug!
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: aliciakeys on August 11, 2010, 04:18:02 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        And my poor English was a test to see if you can reed
        If I can REED ?
        Thanks Marky
        Its pretty obvious that you are spunout aagain and powerless over your own insanity. Tell us Mr Babbletits. What is worse ? Having this terrible obsession,or being too big a coward to  confront it. After all,I am just down the street boy ? You must enjoy the attention from Anne,and your other screen names.
        Now sign in as Jeff cooper and agree with yourself
        LOL
        Cmere Marky.. Gimme a hug!

        ART is threatening me again via PM because I wanted to become Heather's friend on facebook.   ::OMG::
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on August 11, 2010, 09:40:55 PM
        Quote from: "aliciakeys"
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        And my poor English was a test to see if you can reed
        If I can REED ?
        Thanks Marky
        Its pretty obvious that you are spunout aagain and powerless over your own insanity. Tell us Mr Babbletits. What is worse ? Having this terrible obsession,or being too big a coward to  confront it. After all,I am just down the street boy ? You must enjoy the attention from Anne,and your other screen names.
        Now sign in as Jeff cooper and agree with yourself
        LOL
        Cmere Marky.. Gimme a hug!

        ART is threatening me again via PM because I wanted to become Heather's friend on facebook.   ::OMG::




        Now you think I am " Anne " to, ?? WOW :jawdrop:  you are as bad as they have said over the years. And I might say job well done that sure did sum up the Big Fart. :beat:  :beat:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on August 12, 2010, 06:58:22 AM
        No Marky
        I dont think you are Anne,but you are one in the same. 2 lonely trolls seeking attention. You really should see someone about this obsession,it cant be healthy.
        Marky, I promise you,if I were threatening you,there would be no mistake about it like in your previous post.
        Facts are facts.. You are a Coward. This is how you must get a stiffy. Do you post here and then go to the train station to suck off the homeless?
        Seems all you have left is Anne. I think you make a good pair
        sick,and sicker
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on August 12, 2010, 08:56:43 AM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        No Marky
        I dont think you are Anne,but you are one in the same. 2 lonely trolls seeking attention. You really should see someone about this obsession,it cant be healthy.
        Marky, I promise you,if I were threatening you,there would be no mistake about it like in your previous post.
        Facts are facts.. You are a Coward. This is how you must get a stiffy. Do you post here and then go to the train station to suck off the homeless?
        Seems all you have left is Anne. I think you make a good pair
        sick,and sicker


        aliciakeys wrote:
        liarsexposed wrote:
        Thanks
          After all,I am just down the street boy ? You must enjoy the attention from Anne,and your other screen names.




        So today you dont think I am Anne,??? OK.
        Why do you keep telling me your down the street,?? Are you lonely or something ?? No one wants to visit with you or be your friend. It doesn't even make you sound like a hard ass, because everyone knows you a pedophile, and that is creepy. dont shit yourself Farty.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on August 12, 2010, 10:42:04 AM
        Marky
        Beyond being logged in here,I dont think anything about you.
        You are sick.
        You are a child throwing a daily tantrum.
        Its funny in a trainwreck sort of way
        Nobody even pays attention to this thread or forum beyond your many screen names
        Now be sure to log in as "Gary" so you can agree with yourself
        Even your old partner is extremely unhappy with you
        You can attempt to discredit me all you like
        But you know that saying we used to hear
        It all comes out in the wash
        You will soon see my point
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on August 12, 2010, 03:35:05 PM
        Quote from: "liarsexposed"
        Marky
        Beyond being logged in here,I dont think anything about you.
        You are sick.
        You are a child throwing a daily tantrum.
        Its funny in a trainwreck sort of way
        Nobody even pays attention to this thread or forum beyond your many screen names
        Now be sure to log in as "Gary" so you can agree with yourself
        Even your old partner is extremely unhappy with you
        You can attempt to discredit me all you like
        But you know that saying we used to hear
        It all comes out in the wash
        You will soon see my point


        You have no point to see, your a  man with a paper ass, and show it all the time threat after threat, You dont intimidate anyone Farty, you are a bag of wind. I am going to tell or call the police, isn't that your favorite threat Farty.?? You love to talk all big and tough and with so much knowledge. but you are just the counter boy at the junk yard and thats your life. You must be so proud. A family worth millions and you work in a junk yard is some small town in the middle of no where. Real proud tale to tell. But it is your story might as well stick to it.
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: liarsexposed on August 12, 2010, 05:19:00 PM
        Marky
        I am all done playing this little game with you online. But I am far from done.
        You have made a series of errors and I am going to help you to see that. Hopefully it will not involve Fornits being taken off the the net.
        But if it does,the blame for this will  be on you and your little games

        Its on Marky.. Get an attorney
        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: aliciakeys on August 12, 2010, 07:59:58 PM
        More threats from ART   :roflmao:  



        Quote
        Re: Heather

        Sent: Yesterday, 23:31
        From: liarsexposed
        To: aliciakeys

        My dear troll

        its over and done with

        I wrote the check yesterday

        You should focus on retaining legal representation

        You and Mark fucked with the wrong dude.

        Its all over

        I will know exactly who you are and what you said shortly

        then I will prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law

        No more no less

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        Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
        Post by: mark babitz on August 12, 2010, 09:45:08 PM
        Quote from: "aliciakeys"
        More threats from ART   :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::

        Quote
        Re: Heather

        Sent: Yesterday, 23:31
        From: liarsexposed
        To: aliciakeys

        My dear troll

        its over and done with

        I wrote the check yesterday

        You should focus on retaining legal representation

        You and Mark fucked with the wrong dude.

        Its all over

        I will know exactly who you are and what you said shortly

        then I will prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law

        No more no less

        liarsexposed
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          Well I am sure what ever lawyer you hired , told you to go out and threaten everyone and tell of your intentions and you guy's should have watched out. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          You have years of threats and bile you have spilled, threats to hurt folks calling them out to meet you like a man, etc, you have such a selective memory. No one seeks you out you seek out trouble your self stupid.
          Did you explain to the layer how you admitted to having sex with under age girls or your tangent with Sharon and me,  and the anchor with her name on it or the threats you have made to me and the slanderous comments on the web,  As well as so many others ?? And you have been reposted on most of your comment as well as recorded in the records of Farty. So you cant delete your past. When your name is google with Elan,  pages of negative comments and post litter the page about you,  going back 10 or more years. Go ahead and try it some time it's amazing how much hate and dislike you have brought on yourself. The smartest thing you could have done is hire a lawyer. Give them our best you phony, and leave everyone alone, Fornits has let you roll for a reason and that is something you will find out. You are the one who came back after last time, going crazy and trying to bully people demanding apology's . That your still waiting for, aren't you, ?? They all watched you come on here and just disrupt everyone and start fights etc.


          Farty is going to tell Ha Ha you only got yourself, The only important question is why did you come back here picking fights if your last experience was so bad. ?? Thats the obstacle you have to get around stupid and you sure are.Your tantrum last time failed too, thats why Fornits is still and will be going on, you notice Mike and Ginger have not stepped up to say anything nor any other site director, they are just watching you hang your self and you have not disappointed any of us. :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: aliciakeys on August 12, 2010, 09:54:58 PM
          :cheers:  :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 12, 2010, 11:03:21 PM
          He writes things like this and want to take people to court, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  This guy is truly nut's.  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: We will see you in court Farty , and all of your post. :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:





          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          by liarsexposed » 04 Aug 2010, 12:16

          Hey Marky
          The biggest shame in this whole thing is the children.
          The next biggest shame,is that you werent the one killed. You and your 10 screen names for the sake of hurting others.Do you get a stiffy when you "pretend" to be others ? I would say something like " you should be ashamed of yourself,but that would be saying you had a concience"
          You are a menace to your community and to those who read your drivel on the internet.
          I am now extra certain that morons like yourself always get what they have comin to them,and your day is comin.
          You cannot go careening through life fucking with others,lying,cheating and stealing without earning the propper Kharma that goes along with being an asswipe
          suck a dick Babbletits
          Fucking Coward


          Now thats a good old threat, take that to court with you Farty because it will be there waiting for you with all your years of dribble. As you have been asked for years go away ex-staffer and abuser, no one's afraid of you. This is not Elan, and there are no thugs behind you.  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 12, 2010, 11:18:25 PM
          And the views on this thread average almost 100 a day, so people do read your dribble and hear you go on . After all it's the " Farty  Show " didn't anyone tell you, ?? Jokes on you isn't it, ??


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          Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          1 ... 767778 by garystadler » 17 Jan 2010, 13:51  Posts- 1160   Views- 18659, I would say you have drawn allot of attention, Don't let people not speaking make you think they didn't see you run crazy threw this thread. And why this one, ?? All the places you could haunt and you choose this place, and then complain and threaten people with courts etc. Can you see how stupid and self destructive you are. You built a better case against yourself than anyone else dummy.

          You are priceless and worthless, go  away no one called you out here nor contacted you by e-mail or otherwise, Why do you come here and interfere with everyone,??
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 13, 2010, 07:12:06 AM
          Marky
          You have used the same dull weapons for almost 10 yrs. Its time you answered for your part in this harrassment
          I am gonna help you out with that
          Shortly
          Title: nothing
          Post by: Eliscu2 on August 13, 2010, 08:57:34 AM
          :seg:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 13, 2010, 10:26:16 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Marky
          You have used the same dull weapons for almost 10 yrs. Its time you answered for your part in this harrassment
          I am gonna help you out with that
          Shortly



          The latest threat, your lawyer must give great advice , :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          And I have only been exposed to you and your bull-shit for  2 years not 10, so I can wait to see how you dance around that IP numbers don't lie and you might find some one that you never suspected,hating you also, and I can promise you it wont be me or anyone I even know.  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:


          Why do you keep threatening me and bothering people on this site, ?? you said you were mad and wanted to take everyone to court, so just do it and quit all the boasting and fanfare,. And get ready to explain all your words and stalking, Oh yes that will come up, or didnt your lawyer warn you against your own actions and behavior, Didnt they advise you to stay away from the site and not harass or provoke anyone,??. Or did they say your the great Fart and can do and say what you want. To be harassed someone has to seek you out. and you were the one who seeks out others. That makes you the harasser and provoker.Stupid.


          Whats dull are all of your threats, I see Ginger and Mike are shaking in their boots now, just like the last time you wanted to pull your shit. Thats on record too. And the big question you have to answer is why did you come back seeking vengeance and payback,?? And that will be your falling stone. No one looked for you ,you came looking for others to avenge your failure in closing Fornits the first time. :beat:  :beat:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anne Bonney on August 13, 2010, 10:51:42 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Marky
          You have used the same dull weapons for almost 10 yrs. Its time you answered for your part in this harrassment
          I am gonna help you out with that
          Shortly


           :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          Do you ever read what you write?   Honestly, you're such a joke.  It's really gotten to the pathetic point now.  I almost feel sorry for you at this point.  Why don't you have your sponsor help you with your addiction to the attention you seek here.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 13, 2010, 12:12:44 PM
          you came looking for others to avenge your failure in closing Fornits the first time.
           
          Now thats funny.. thankyou Marky.. You do have a sense of humor
          You are really reaching
          Who stole pics off my fb by pretending to be someone else = Fact
          Who harrased me for 10 years = Fact
          Who got his website taken off the net 7 times because of your lyinig and stealing = Fact
          Who then posted the stolen pix on Fornits ? = Fact
          Marky... I simply did exactly what I said I would do. You obviously didnt believe me (even after your site was repeatedly shut down).
          You are absolutely correct. IP addresses doent lie... even when you subscribe to a service = Fact
          Your serice providers were very obliging to obtain this info..after your 3rd or 4th attempt at Harrassing me = Fact
          You are really wound up today Marky.. Take it easy pal its gonna be a very hot day
          Instead of your usual lies and drivel.. Try posting something with some truth  to it
          I have posted only the truth. Now you will have to anser for your crimes
          Its kinda a done deal
          You couldnt be any more caught...
          Fornits being shut down is a bi-product of your mental illnes. Was never my intention,and still isnt
          Now sign in as someone else so you can agree with yourself
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: aliciakeys on August 13, 2010, 12:58:05 PM
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          Elan School Message Board -> Lowlife's and Faggot's -> Art Warshawsky =Fart Warsh1tsky

          Post Info   TOPIC: Art Warshawsky =Fart Warsh1tsky

          NAZI
          Veteran Member
          Posts: 90
          Date: May 29, 2004

          Art Warshawsky =Fart Warsh1tsky
             

          Art's new name is Fart Warsh1tsky. So Art why don't you elborate to all of us about all those general meetings and dealing crews you use to get for making homsexual toys out of the service crew's tools.

          Did you get many splinters? Or did you use alot of vasoline to make the wood slick enough?

          You Gay Kike....

           :jawdrop:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: aliciakeys on August 13, 2010, 01:53:05 PM
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          Art Warshawsky 2 years ago

          I want to tell you about a very dangerous scam. Teen Treatment Centers. I am familiar with a few. The one in I speak about today is the Elan School. These people literally have beaten children,starved them,forced them into manual labor in sub-zero weather and the list goes on and on.

          Many years ago,you did a story about Joe Ricci and his treatment center Elan. All the while,children were being abused as it was being taped, Next you did a story about Mike Skakel and his trial. Though some of the truth about Elan came out,nothing was done about the abuses.

          Today this "school" functions in Poland Springs Me. Some of the same abusers still work at the "school" under the cover of "treatment". Elan is not the only treatment center scam but is the one I know most about. I was there as a teenager. I understand thereare many schools just like this that have,and still abuse children.

          I have been interviewed by some local newspapers in Me along with several others. I have told the truth about them a number of times,as have others. Yet they still do what they do. I am hoping for the media to do the right thing,as the statutes of limitations have all run out. Pursueing a legal avenue is impossible.

          Thanks

          Art Warshawsky

          Did you swear to tell the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you GOD?  Did the statute of limitations run out when you wrote this article?  :D
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: aliciakeys on August 13, 2010, 02:11:39 PM
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          43 Tue January 15 2002 - 21:18:20
          Name: art warshawsky
          Where are you from?: morton grove il
          Got An E-Mail Address?: http://www.facebook.com/HenneBerryBand/ ... 3963399831 (http://www.facebook.com/HenneBerryBand/posts/353963399831) - 19k - Cached - Similar pages

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          http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp& ... 26ce9fcffe (http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=Art+Warshawsky&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=eb25b226ce9fcffe)

           :jawdrop:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 13, 2010, 08:06:34 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          you came looking for others to avenge your failure in closing Fornits the first time.
           
          Now thats funny.. thankyou Marky.. You do have a sense of humor
          You are really reaching
          Who stole pics off my fb by pretending to be someone else = Fact
          Who harrased me for 10 years = Fact
          Who got his website taken off the net 7 times because of your lyinig and stealing = Fact
          Who then posted the stolen pix on Fornits ? = Fact
          Marky... I simply did exactly what I said I would do. You obviously didnt believe me (even after your site was repeatedly shut down).
          You are absolutely correct. IP addresses doent lie... even when you subscribe to a service = Fact
          Your serice providers were very obliging to obtain this info..after your 3rd or 4th attempt at Harrassing me = Fact
          You are really wound up today Marky.. Take it easy pal its gonna be a very hot day
          Instead of your usual lies and drivel.. Try posting something with some truth  to it
          I have posted only the truth. Now you will have to anser for your crimes
          Its kinda a done deal
          You couldnt be any more caught...
          Fornits being shut down is a bi-product of your mental illnes. Was never my intention,and still isnt
          Now sign in as someone else so you can agree with yourself



          You are  pathetic like " Anne " said and, you do need help, Aliciakeys couldn't more right you are just sick in the head. Alway threatening people, do think anyone takes you seriously, ??  you are a joke, an amusing one.



          Your the alternative to going home and yelling at the family and your more fun and no guilt is felt afterwards. And you just feed in, like I said big mouth did the lawyer tell you to keep threatening and responding hostilely to the one you want to prosecute ,?? Think about what you write stupid no one takes you seriously or is afraid of you Big Farty. Keep following the layers advice you on a roll. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 13, 2010, 10:58:43 PM
          Well well well if it isn't the return of fArt. Did fArt get himself another computer finally after breaking it in a fit because he got his ass handed to him not too long ago? Or was it that fArt was too busy to go log onto fornots because he came across a summer camp for small children and spyed on them from a safe distance, pleasuring himself by masterbation as he fufilled his sexual desires and fantasys about oral penetration to the young, pure, virgin bodies? You are ill fArt, you're picture on your date profile at plentyoffish.com tells alot about you. Speaking of your date profile, exactly how many years has that profile been active? I mean sheesh man! Even someone like Marty Kruglik would have bagged an ugly babe log ago. Women must find you so repulsive and foul looking that they skip right over that profile of yours. Nobody wants to date a child fucker/raper! Now whats this about you prosecuting people now?  :rofl: What a fucking joke you are! And a fool as well, because what was it that you wrote? You paid for a service to obtain website information? Dumbass! You got taken fool! To look up websites and seek out who they are registered doesn't cost a dime dumbass. But you are too stupid to know that anyways fArt. You will always be the dullest knife in the drawer because your mind rotted away long ago after all that boozing that you did. Also your lawyer threats, thats real old Fart. You have been using that line for over what, 10 years now? :beat: Do you actually believe for one second that anyone would believe anything you had to say? :agree: You are an ignorant man, who is nothing but a big fat coward who likes to hide behind the safetly of his computer and make threats in an attempt to make you feel better about yourself. And seeing how you got your ass handed to you on a gold platter by many people, you must be irate. Furthermore, even if you went to see a lawyer about suring someone because you got your feelings hurt and ass handed to you, the lawyer would get one hell of a great laugh over it. Poor fat fArty, someone copied his picture and posted it here, oh boo hoo hoo! You need to come up with some new material, because you truly are a broken record fArt. :timeout: Go suck on your favorite dildo tonight and think real hard how you can be creative in your threats and not look like a total simpleton when you type your next threat here at fornits.

          And leave the little kiddies alone! You are a disturbed man watching little kiddies at summer camp while playing with your little wee wee and pleasuring yourself. One of these days you might get caught and some kiddies father might react harsh to you and cut off your wee wee and either shove it up your ass or shove it down your mouth, or both!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 13, 2010, 11:13:09 PM
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          Arty does you kids know you were between my legs all the nights you were gone???? Should I tell them the truth, you did say after all I needed to come clean, maybe I need to bare my soul to them and beg their forgiveness. You told me to be truthful shall I or do you wish to do it first. After all the truth will in fact set you free. Oh that is right they know half of what a prick you were to their momma, bet this will really set them off. Is this why you try to stiffle me??? Yes ARTY we all will make sure the truth comes fully out now and it will sweetie set you free. Bet they will spit in your face.

          Man!!! fArt must of fed you alot of drugs so that you would allow him to get between your legs. I bet you that when another female plentyoffish.com that is single and comes across fArts date profile, feels like throwing up after seeing his face. The only legs that fArt could be between these days is a female gorilla, ape, or like primate. Something that would not know any better. And the primate would probably use fArts face to rub the dingleberries off it's crouch onto fArt's face.  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: aliciakeys on August 13, 2010, 11:35:07 PM
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          Elan School Message Board -> Lowlife's and Faggot's -> Art Warshawsky =Fart Warsh1tsky

          Post Info   TOPIC: Art Warshawsky =Fart Warsh1tsky

          NAZI
          Veteran Member
          Posts: 90
          Date: May 29, 2004

          Art Warshawsky =Fart Warsh1tsky
             

          Art's new name is Fart Warsh1tsky. So Art why don't you elborate to all of us about all those general meetings and dealing crews you use to get for making homsexual toys out of the service crew's tools.

          Did you get many splinters? Or did you use alot of vasoline to make the wood slick enough?

          You Gay Kike....

           :jawdrop:

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          Art Warshawsky 2 years ago

          I want to tell you about a very dangerous scam. Teen Treatment Centers. I am familiar with a few. The one in I speak about today is the Elan School. These people literally have beaten children,starved them,forced them into manual labor in sub-zero weather and the list goes on and on.

          Many years ago,you did a story about Joe Ricci and his treatment center Elan. All the while,children were being abused as it was being taped, Next you did a story about Mike Skakel and his trial. Though some of the truth about Elan came out,nothing was done about the abuses.

          Today this "school" functions in Poland Springs Me. Some of the same abusers still work at the "school" under the cover of "treatment". Elan is not the only treatment center scam but is the one I know most about. I was there as a teenager. I understand thereare many schools just like this that have,and still abuse children.

          I have been interviewed by some local newspapers in Me along with several others. I have told the truth about them a number of times,as have others. Yet they still do what they do. I am hoping for the media to do the right thing,as the statutes of limitations have all run out. Pursueing a legal avenue is impossible.

          Thanks

          Art Warshawsky

          Did you swear to tell the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you GOD?  Did the statute of limitations run out when you wrote this article?  :D

          http://guestbooks.pathfinder.gr/read/Elan (http://guestbooks.pathfinder.gr/read/Elan)

          Quote
          43 Tue January 15 2002 - 21:18:20
          Name: art warshawsky
          Where are you from?: morton grove il
          Got An E-Mail Address?: http://www.facebook.com/HenneBerryBand/ ... 3963399831 (http://www.facebook.com/HenneBerryBand/posts/353963399831) - 19k - Cached - Similar pages

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          http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp& ... 26ce9fcffe (http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=Art+Warshawsky&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=eb25b226ce9fcffe)

           :jawdrop:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 14, 2010, 07:32:29 AM
          LOL you must be very upset
          Keep dancing for me.. yer kinda cute Marky
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 14, 2010, 09:28:06 AM
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          Well well well if it isn't the return of fArt. Did fArt get himself another computer finally after breaking it in a fit because he got his ass handed to him not too long ago? Or was it that fArt was too busy to go log onto fornots because he came across a summer camp for small children and spyed on them from a safe distance, pleasuring himself by masterbation as he fufilled his sexual desires and fantasys about oral penetration to the young, pure, virgin bodies? You are ill fArt, you're picture on your date profile at plentyoffish.com tells alot about you. Speaking of your date profile, exactly how many years has that profile been active? I mean sheesh man! Even someone like Marty Kruglik would have bagged an ugly babe log ago. Women must find you so repulsive and foul looking that they skip right over that profile of yours. Nobody wants to date a child fucker/raper! Now whats this about you prosecuting people now?  :rofl: What a fucking joke you are! And a fool as well, because what was it that you wrote? You paid for a service to obtain website information? Dumbass! You got taken fool! To look up websites and seek out who they are registered doesn't cost a dime dumbass. But you are too stupid to know that anyways fArt. You will always be the dullest knife in the drawer because your mind rotted away long ago after all that boozing that you did. Also your lawyer threats, thats real old Fart. You have been using that line for over what, 10 years now? :beat: Do you actually believe for one second that anyone would believe anything you had to say? :agree: You are an ignorant man, who is nothing but a big fat coward who likes to hide behind the safetly of his computer and make threats in an attempt to make you feel better about yourself. And seeing how you got your ass handed to you on a gold platter by many people, you must be irate. Furthermore, even if you went to see a lawyer about suring someone because you got your feelings hurt and ass handed to you, the lawyer would get one hell of a great laugh over it. Poor fat fArty, someone copied his picture and posted it here, oh boo hoo hoo! You need to come up with some new material, because you truly are a broken record fArt. :timeout: Go suck on your favorite dildo tonight and think real hard how you can be creative in your threats and not look like a total simpleton when you type your next threat here at fornits.

          And leave the little kiddies alone! You are a disturbed man watching little kiddies at summer camp while playing with your little wee wee and pleasuring yourself. One of these days you might get caught and some kiddies father might react harsh to you and cut off your wee wee and either shove it up your ass or shove it down your mouth, or both!





          Hey Elan Reporter, good to you and your staff were able to make it to the Farty Show, He wont disappoint you. Now he claims, I am everyone here including you. The Fart is in rear form, and stupid as ever. I can see he is following the layers advice again to harass and threaten as many as possible.

          I also, wonder if the layers has seen his confessions on sex with underage kids,  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: , I bet that strengthened his case,  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl: .

          The IP address search he claimed was even funnier,
          First off it would have shown I am not the Elan Reporter, or Anne ,Aliciakeys or anyone else,And he is or thinks we are all that stupid to believe him. None of our IP addresses are the same Farty,Sorry your search didnt provide that in-depth of a view, stupid. But for 10 years you have been rambling here and everywhere else,  so nothing is new with your lack of thinking. You are a sorry sack of shit.



          He needs to go away or come up with some better material, But then we expect that from a no mind,  so it is asking allot.Don't Shit yourself on the chair boat today ass-hole.








          Quote from: "aliciakeys"
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          Elan School Message Board -> Lowlife's and Faggot's -> Art Warshawsky =Fart Warsh1tsky

          Post Info   TOPIC: Art Warshawsky =Fart Warsh1tsky

          NAZI
          Veteran Member
          Posts: 90
          Date: May 29, 2004

          Art Warshawsky =Fart Warsh1tsky
             

          Art's new name is Fart Warsh1tsky. So Art why don't you elborate to all of us about all those general meetings and dealing crews you use to get for making homsexual toys out of the service crew's tools.

          Did you get many splinters? Or did you use alot of vasoline to make the wood slick enough?

          You Gay Kike....

           :jawdrop:

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          Art Warshawsky 2 years ago

          I want to tell you about a very dangerous scam. Teen Treatment Centers. I am familiar with a few. The one in I speak about today is the Elan School. These people literally have beaten children,starved them,forced them into manual labor in sub-zero weather and the list goes on and on.

          Many years ago,you did a story about Joe Ricci and his treatment center Elan. All the while,children were being abused as it was being taped, Next you did a story about Mike Skakel and his trial. Though some of the truth about Elan came out,nothing was done about the abuses.

          Today this "school" functions in Poland Springs Me. Some of the same abusers still work at the "school" under the cover of "treatment". Elan is not the only treatment center scam but is the one I know most about. I was there as a teenager. I understand thereare many schools just like this that have,and still abuse children.

          I have been interviewed by some local newspapers in Me along with several others. I have told the truth about them a number of times,as have others. Yet they still do what they do. I am hoping for the media to do the right thing,as the statutes of limitations have all run out. Pursueing a legal avenue is impossible.

          Thanks

          Art Warshawsky

          Did you swear to tell the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you GOD?  Did the statute of limitations run out when you wrote this article?  :D

          http://guestbooks.pathfinder.gr/read/Elan (http://guestbooks.pathfinder.gr/read/Elan)

          Quote
          43 Tue January 15 2002 - 21:18:20
          Name: art warshawsky
          Where are you from?: morton grove il
          Got An E-Mail Address?: http://www.facebook.com/HenneBerryBand/ ... 3963399831 (http://www.facebook.com/HenneBerryBand/posts/353963399831) - 19k - Cached - Similar pages

          http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... =clnk&cd=1 (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:tp_IGc7eQuoJ:www.facebook.com/HenneBerryBand/posts/353963399831+art+warshawsky&hl=ja&ct=clnk&cd=1)

          http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp& ... 26ce9fcffe (http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=Art+Warshawsky&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=eb25b226ce9fcffe)

           :jawdrop:


               :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: Your past is not pretty is it Farty. :karma:  :karma:  :karma:





           
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          Arty does you kids know you were between my legs all the nights you were gone???? Should I tell them the truth, you did say after all I needed to come clean, maybe I need to bare my soul to them and beg their forgiveness. You told me to be truthful shall I or do you wish to do it first. After all the truth will in fact set you free. Oh that is right they know half of what a prick you were to their momma, bet this will really set them off. Is this why you try to stiffle me??? Yes ARTY we all will make sure the truth comes fully out now and it will sweetie set you free. Bet they will spit in your face.

          Man!!! fArt must of fed you alot of drugs so that you would allow him to get between your legs. I bet you that when another female plentyoffish.com that is single and comes across fArts date profile, feels like throwing up after seeing his face. The only legs that fArt could be between these days is a female gorilla, ape, or like primate. Something that would not know any better. And the primate would probably use fArts face to rub the dingleberries off it's crouch onto fArt's face.  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:



                      :karma:  :karma:  :karma: The love for Farty just wont stop  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:




          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          you came looking for others to avenge your failure in closing Fornits the first time.
           
          Now thats funny.. thankyou Marky.. You do have a sense of humor
          You are really reaching
          Who stole pics off my fb by pretending to be someone else = Fact
          Who harrased me for 10 years = Fact
          Who got his website taken off the net 7 times because of your lyinig and stealing = Fact
          Who then posted the stolen pix on Fornits ? = Fact
          Marky... I simply did exactly what I said I would do. You obviously didnt believe me (even after your site was repeatedly shut down).
          You are absolutely correct. IP addresses doent lie... even when you subscribe to a service = Fact
          Your serice providers were very obliging to obtain this info..after your 3rd or 4th attempt at Harrassing me = Fact
          You are really wound up today Marky.. Take it easy pal its gonna be a very hot day
          Instead of your usual lies and drivel.. Try posting something with some truth  to it
          I have posted only the truth. Now you will have to anser for your crimes
          Its kinda a done deal
          You couldnt be any more caught...
          Fornits being shut down is a bi-product of your mental illnes. Was never my intention,and still isnt
          Now sign in as someone else so you can agree with yourself
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Marky
          You have used the same dull weapons for almost 10 yrs. Its time you answered for your part in this harrassment
          I am gonna help you out with that
          Shortly


                      :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  Boy Farty you are the man  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 14, 2010, 11:25:11 AM
          See Mark, fArt is paranoid. That comes with alcohol sickness "paranoia". fArt thinks everybody that post against him is one person with multiple names. fArt is an alcoholic and alcoholics become paranoid and will lie about everything. It's all part of the illness that hard core alcoholics can sometimes get. See in fArt's mind he will believe that everyone is out to get him and everyone else has a problem, except him. To get to this point takes years of alcohol abuse, and in most cases it is extremely hard for someone like fArt to correct the problem and seek professional help for it. Growing up, fArt had alot of problems and turned to the bottle to seek answers and redemption. But fArt found neither and became the person he is today over time. To have sex with a minor tells you alot about fArt. He has peer issues with opposite sex his age and most likely gets intimadated around them, so what does he do, find an under age girl who is impressionable and can be easily taken advantage of. I think it is really funny how it now came back to haunt him today. :tup:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 14, 2010, 12:45:19 PM
          You are on a roll Marky
          Maybe 6-7 other srceen names and you will be more convincing to the other 2 people that are on this board
          what would make a man fall this far ?
          what causes the obvious delusions to pretend to be others. You know that anyone else that reads your drivel knows its you too. the game is over little man.. Arent you like 50 yrs old ?
          Sure glad its not me...
          Try to enjoy the day Marky before you start believing your own delusions
          Title: Angelo Resendez
          Post by: aliciakeys on August 14, 2010, 02:24:02 PM
          http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/ang ... dez?ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/angelo.resendez?ref=ts)

          Quote

          (http://http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/profile-ak-snc1/v227/496/99/n1144124496_7155.jpg)

          Angelo Resendez ---- > Friends ---- > See all ---- > Art Warshawsky

           :jawdrop:  ::OMG::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 14, 2010, 05:45:45 PM
          Angelo
          A dear friend and great customer
          Is this fun for you ? Stalking me again or should I say still ?
          Marky Tsk Tsk Tsk
          Have you even been outside today Marky ? You are obviously frustrated,and angry
          Just the way I like to see you
          Quite the little tantrum today son
          Now sign in as the Reporter again
          No one will ever know its you
           :seg:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 14, 2010, 08:01:23 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Angelo
          A dear friend and great customer
          Is this fun for you ? Stalking me again or should I say still ?
          Marky Tsk Tsk Tsk
          Have you even been outside today Marky ? You are obviously frustrated,and angry
          Just the way I like to see you
          Quite the little tantrum today son
          Now sign in as the Reporter again
          No one will ever know its you
           :seg:


                                                                              He just goes on and on




          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          You are on a roll Marky
          Maybe 6-7 other srceen names and you will be more convincing to the other 2 people that are on this board
          what would make a man fall this far ?
          what causes the obvious delusions to pretend to be others. You know that anyone else that reads your drivel knows its you too. the game is over little man.. Arent you like 50 yrs old ?
          Sure glad its not me...
          Try to enjoy the day Marky before you start believing your own delusions





          He just don't stop does he ,  Reporter I told he went over the end again, I don't know if  it was alcohol or he was just was born a plain stupid ass-hole, I would guess a combination of both. He sure likes to show off, do you think he lets customers watch him get his ass handed to him,??? Sounds like it in his post.

          Think about a person inviting people to watch them get bashed and exposed for the sick person they are and Ex-Staffer, thinking it's cool :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  How fucked up is that ????
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 14, 2010, 08:06:47 PM
          Very Weak Marky
          You must be very lonely. To have to make up Screen names,post and answer yourself.
          Just think of all the time you have wasted stalking me for 8 years. I must be very powerful. The truth must be very frightening. Am gonna help you with that Marky.
          Have some patience
          You are gonna have a much bigger audience to perform for and soon
          I promise!
          nite nite Marky
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 14, 2010, 08:13:39 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Very Weak Marky
          You must be very lonely. To have to make up Screen names,post and answer yourself.
          Just think of all the time you have wasted stalking me for 8 years. I must be very powerful. The truth must be very frightening. Am gonna help you with that Marky.
          Have some patience
          You are gonna have a much bigger audience to perform for and soon
          I promise!
          nite nite Marky


          I cant help but notice how much time you have to respond to me , you got caught again,
          As far as your time line, well it's your's. And your endless threats, I don't threaten you, why do you always have to threaten me ?? Wouldn't you think after awhile it would or didn't seem to be working, and all the others you like to threaten, ?? None of us go away, we ask you to. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: So- Don't Shit the bed
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 14, 2010, 08:53:16 PM
          Marky
          Again, I did not threaten you. I really pity you.
          Look what your Hate campaign has done
          Nobody reads your drivel,so you make up screen names just to spew.
          "WE" is all about you Marky. Cuz its you and I in the forum mostly
          The game is over pal. No threats needed. You know when you are beaten
          Its an every day deal .. Or you wouldnt be so angry
          Arent you 50 yrs old ? Still telling lies and seeking attention ?
          No support.. No one to take your side (as if you had one)
          Its over pal.. You are done!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: aliciakeys on August 14, 2010, 09:03:21 PM
          ART say hello to Heather for me!   :twofinger:    :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 14, 2010, 09:10:56 PM
          See the sickness Mark? fArt is beyond help at this point in time. This is why he is a failure at life .He was divorced, dumped, rejected, labled as a dead beat, likes to pretend he is powerful by going online and acting like he is going to prosecute because he is such a dick head and has no friends in life. If I had a $1 for every "legal threat" fArt has made at fornits in the past 9-10 years, I'd have alot money. I'm sure fArts near future posts will include some sort of date when this legal action will take place. He usually likes to use the Fall & Spring seasons as a time line. When comes the time fArt, I and everyone else will still be here, laughing at your stupidity and your ugly plentyoffish.com picture. :roflmao:
          To actually think that for one second, fArt would think we would believe his ersatz legal pursuit, coming from a man that drives a shit box to his just over minium wage job working as a counter fat ass for some filthy junk yard, and lives in a shit box of a house..I meant shack... :roflmao:  :roflmao: Now that fArt is getting up close to his golden years, I guess once he gets his AARP card he's gonna think he is some kind of big wig, because of the discounts he will be eligible for. Sorry fArt, but I don't think they will give you a discount on dildos fella. :rasta:

          Reality -- There really are a dozen or more people that post here fArt that do not like you. They also hand you your fat ass! You can pretend all you want and keep telling yourself that there is only one person with 12 different screen names, ip addresses tell a different story fella. :cheers:  

          Why not talk about your problems fArt? Statutory rape in the past, playing pocket pool while spying on summer camp kiddies, and drowning away your sorrows in many bottles. BTW, do you still piss vodka in phone booths Arthur? :rofl:  :rofl: Also wasn't there some posts many years ago where someone mentioned about how you like to eat shit or something? You're a nasty man! ::fullofshit::  You probably drank your pee to wash down that turd sandwich. ::fullofshit::

          Confront your problems Arthur! You have a long list of them that seem to grow by the hour here. :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: aliciakeys on August 14, 2010, 09:22:12 PM
          Quote from: "aliciakeys"
          ART say hello to Heather for me!   :twofinger:    :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:

           :jawdrop:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 15, 2010, 06:59:00 AM
          Another big night of failure huh Marky ?
          Did you even leave the house yesterday ? While you were failing, I worked,played on the water,brought dinner to the elderly couple across the street,then played music till 2am.
          I had a great day
          Today am going to take my mom and her husband out for brunch,then I have friends coming over for a BBQ.
          You should come Marky.. You know where I live stalker boy LOL
          You really should see someone about your rage and delusions
          You are getting worse every day. Whats next ?
          Dont keep us in suspense Marky
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 15, 2010, 10:18:45 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Another big night of failure huh Marky ?
          Did you even leave the house yesterday ? While you were failing, I worked,played on the water,brought dinner to the elderly couple across the street,then played music till 2am.
          I had a great day
          Today am going to take my mom and her husband out for brunch,then I have friends coming over for a BBQ.
          You should come Marky.. You know where I live stalker boy LOL
          You really should see someone about your rage and delusions
          You are getting worse every day. Whats next ?
          Dont keep us in suspense Marky


          Haven't you been paying attention to any of this Farty ,??
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          See the sickness Mark? fArt is beyond help at this point in time. This is why he is a failure at life .He was divorced, dumped, rejected, labled as a dead beat, likes to pretend he is powerful by going online and acting like he is going to prosecute because he is such a dick head and has no friends in life. If I had a $1 for every "legal threat" fArt has made at fornits in the past 9-10 years, I'd have alot money. I'm sure fArts near future posts will include some sort of date when this legal action will take place. He usually likes to use the Fall & Spring seasons as a time line. When comes the time fArt, I and everyone else will still be here, laughing at your stupidity and your ugly plentyoffish.com picture. :roflmao:
          To actually think that for one second, fArt would think we would believe his ersatz legal pursuit, coming from a man that drives a shit box to his just over minium wage job working as a counter fat ass for some filthy junk yard, and lives in a shit box of a house..I meant shack... :roflmao:  :roflmao: Now that fArt is getting up close to his golden years, I guess once he gets his AARP card he's gonna think he is some kind of big wig, because of the discounts he will be eligible for. Sorry fArt, but I don't think they will give you a discount on dildos fella. :rasta:

          Reality -- There really are a dozen or more people that post here fArt that do not like you. They also hand you your fat ass! You can pretend all you want and keep telling yourself that there is only one person with 12 different screen names, ip addresses tell a different story fella. :cheers:  

          Why not talk about your problems fArt? Statutory rape in the past, playing pocket pool while spying on summer camp kiddies, and drowning away your sorrows in many bottles. BTW, do you still piss vodka in phone booths Arthur? :rofl:  :rofl: Also wasn't there some posts many years ago where someone mentioned about how you like to eat shit or something? You're a nasty man! ::fullofshit::  You probably drank your pee to wash down that turd sandwich. ::fullofshit::

          Confront your problems Arthur! You have a long list of them that seem to grow by the hour here. :rocker:
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          Well well well if it isn't the return of fArt. Did fArt get himself another computer finally after breaking it in a fit because he got his ass handed to him not too long ago? Or was it that fArt was too busy to go log onto fornots because he came across a summer camp for small children and spyed on them from a safe distance, pleasuring himself by masterbation as he fufilled his sexual desires and fantasys about oral penetration to the young, pure, virgin bodies? You are ill fArt, you're picture on your date profile at plentyoffish.com tells alot about you. Speaking of your date profile, exactly how many years has that profile been active? I mean sheesh man! Even someone like Marty Kruglik would have bagged an ugly babe log ago. Women must find you so repulsive and foul looking that they skip right over that profile of yours. Nobody wants to date a child fucker/raper! Now whats this about you prosecuting people now?  :rofl: What a fucking joke you are! And a fool as well, because what was it that you wrote? You paid for a service to obtain website information? Dumbass! You got taken fool! To look up websites and seek out who they are registered doesn't cost a dime dumbass. But you are too stupid to know that anyways fArt. You will always be the dullest knife in the drawer because your mind rotted away long ago after all that boozing that you did. Also your lawyer threats, thats real old Fart. You have been using that line for over what, 10 years now? :beat: Do you actually believe for one second that anyone would believe anything you had to say? :agree: You are an ignorant man, who is nothing but a big fat coward who likes to hide behind the safetly of his computer and make threats in an attempt to make you feel better about yourself. And seeing how you got your ass handed to you on a gold platter by many people, you must be irate. Furthermore, even if you went to see a lawyer about suring someone because you got your feelings hurt and ass handed to you, the lawyer would get one hell of a great laugh over it. Poor fat fArty, someone copied his picture and posted it here, oh boo hoo hoo! You need to come up with some new material, because you truly are a broken record fArt. :timeout: Go suck on your favorite dildo tonight and think real hard how you can be creative in your threats and not look like a total simpleton when you type your next threat here at fornits.

          And leave the little kiddies alone! You are a disturbed man watching little kiddies at summer camp while playing with your little wee wee and pleasuring yourself. One of these days you might get caught and some kiddies father might react harsh to you and cut off your wee wee and either shove it up your ass or shove it down your mouth, or both!





          Hey Elan Reporter, good to you and your staff were able to make it to the Farty Show, He wont disappoint you. Now he claims, I am everyone here including you. The Fart is in rear form, and stupid as ever. I can see he is following the layers advice again to harass and threaten as many as possible.

          I also, wonder if the layers has seen his confessions on sex with underage kids,  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: , I bet that strengthened his case,  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl: .

          The IP address search he claimed was even funnier,
          First off it would have shown I am not the Elan Reporter, or Anne ,Aliciakeys or anyone else,And he is or thinks we are all that stupid to believe him. None of our IP addresses are the same Farty,Sorry your search didnt provide that in-depth of a view, stupid. But for 10 years you have been rambling here and everywhere else,  so nothing is new with your lack of thinking. You are a sorry sack of shit.



          He needs to go away or come up with some better material, But then we expect that from a no mind,  so it is asking allot.Don't Shit yourself on the chair boat today ass-hole.








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          Art Warshawsky =Fart Warsh1tsky
             

          Art's new name is Fart Warsh1tsky. So Art why don't you elborate to all of us about all those general meetings and dealing crews you use to get for making homsexual toys out of the service crew's tools.

          Did you get many splinters? Or did you use alot of vasoline to make the wood slick enough?

          You Gay Kike....

           :jawdrop:

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          Art Warshawsky 2 years ago

          I want to tell you about a very dangerous scam. Teen Treatment Centers. I am familiar with a few. The one in I speak about today is the Elan School. These people literally have beaten children,starved them,forced them into manual labor in sub-zero weather and the list goes on and on.

          Many years ago,you did a story about Joe Ricci and his treatment center Elan. All the while,children were being abused as it was being taped, Next you did a story about Mike Skakel and his trial. Though some of the truth about Elan came out,nothing was done about the abuses.

          Today this "school" functions in Poland Springs Me. Some of the same abusers still work at the "school" under the cover of "treatment". Elan is not the only treatment center scam but is the one I know most about. I was there as a teenager. I understand thereare many schools just like this that have,and still abuse children.

          I have been interviewed by some local newspapers in Me along with several others. I have told the truth about them a number of times,as have others. Yet they still do what they do. I am hoping for the media to do the right thing,as the statutes of limitations have all run out. Pursueing a legal avenue is impossible.

          Thanks

          Art Warshawsky

          Did you swear to tell the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you GOD?  Did the statute of limitations run out when you wrote this article?  :D

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                   :fuckoff:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  The Big Fart just dont get the big picture :waaaa:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:



           :jawdrop:


               :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: Your past is not pretty is it Farty. :karma:  :karma:  :karma:





           
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          Arty does you kids know you were between my legs all the nights you were gone???? Should I tell them the truth, you did say after all I needed to come clean, maybe I need to bare my soul to them and beg their forgiveness. You told me to be truthful shall I or do you wish to do it first. After all the truth will in fact set you free. Oh that is right they know half of what a prick you were to their momma, bet this will really set them off. Is this why you try to stiffle me??? Yes ARTY we all will make sure the truth comes fully out now and it will sweetie set you free. Bet they will spit in your face.

          Man!!! fArt must of fed you alot of drugs so that you would allow him to get between your legs. I bet you that when another female plentyoffish.com that is single and comes across fArts date profile, feels like throwing up after seeing his face. The only legs that fArt could be between these days is a female gorilla, ape, or like primate. Something that would not know any better. And the primate would probably use fArts face to rub the dingleberries off it's crouch onto fArt's face.  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:



                      :karma:  :karma:  :karma: The love for Farty just wont stop  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:




          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          you came looking for others to avenge your failure in closing Fornits the first time.
           
          Now thats funny.. thankyou Marky.. You do have a sense of humor
          You are really reaching
          Who stole pics off my fb by pretending to be someone else = Fact
          Who harrased me for 10 years = Fact
          Who got his website taken off the net 7 times because of your lyinig and stealing = Fact
          Who then posted the stolen pix on Fornits ? = Fact
          Marky... I simply did exactly what I said I would do. You obviously didnt believe me (even after your site was repeatedly shut down).
          You are absolutely correct. IP addresses doent lie... even when you subscribe to a service = Fact
          Your serice providers were very obliging to obtain this info..after your 3rd or 4th attempt at Harrassing me = Fact
          You are really wound up today Marky.. Take it easy pal its gonna be a very hot day
          Instead of your usual lies and drivel.. Try posting something with some truth  to it
          I have posted only the truth. Now you will have to anser for your crimes
          Its kinda a done deal
          You couldnt be any more caught...
          Fornits being shut down is a bi-product of your mental illnes. Was never my intention,and still isnt
          Now sign in as someone else so you can agree with yourself
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Marky
          You have used the same dull weapons for almost 10 yrs. Its time you answered for your part in this harrassment
          I am gonna help you out with that
          Shortly


                      :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  Boy Farty you are the man  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:




          Your disease wont go away Farty your need treatment for your hate and guilt, I repost other peoples words so maybe you can read them over, and maybe get the point but, I guess and see not. Have a good time with your make believe friends and the BBQ, don't burn the cow penis or the shit steaks. I would be over but I don't hang around with Pedophiles or Bullies, thanks for the invite though. And yes I know were you live, actually I have 4 friends that live in Wondertuck , 2 on the lake and 2 inland, and one of them even knows who you are and they just laugh when I let them look at my lap-top and the things you write. He has asked me if everyone at the Elan School was that fucked up and weird, I assured him there was a blend of true crazies and the rest were just fuck up's and did like to follow rules.


          He jokingly said that you had to be one of the crazies and started laughing, I told him, it was and is no joke you really think like that. He kept on laughing and, said the men in the white coats will find you again and put you back in the bug house. We all started laughing then. See you can be allot of fun, or should I say discussing you can be allot of fun.



          Don't burn the steaks and penis, most of all, and you know what I am going to say,
          Please don't embarrass yourself, by Shitting Your Thong, especially by the grill, folks like their steaks fresh but not that fresh. Just a tip on grilling. You haven't made any wrongful moves on the old people across the street have you, ? Or stole any photo's of the grandkids, for future masturbation, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:   Have You, ?? If they knew your past and how you live and talk now, they would slap your face and throw you out. :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 15, 2010, 11:01:53 AM
          :cheers:  :cheers:  Can we have more of your words of wit Farty,  :cheers:  :cheers:  
                                                                You are so profound and wise in your words
                                                                        You are the Great Farty Man
                                                                             A True Supper Hero
                                                                              To The Demented
                                                                             :soapbox:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 15, 2010, 11:17:35 AM
          Ahhhh, the famous fArt line..(I'm gonna have friends over today for a bbq). fArt usually uses that line when he gets frustrated. He desperately wants people here to believe that he has friends, that he will use the old bbq line over and over again.
          Same shit, different year! This guy is unreal!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 15, 2010, 04:15:12 PM
          Poor Marky
          Did the big guy on the corner stick it in your ass too far ?
          Very angry and upset today.
          Relax Marky.. Its all over buttercup
          I suppose I could create myself 3-4 new accounts and screen names too. I just dont have the desire,time,or patience to play that game. That kind of thing is reserved for mentally ill,mental midgets like youself, that have nothing better to do than to stalk people,then post about their findings. I could do the same.. If I cared where you live or anything else about you.
          I just dont. I'd rather read your childish rants,pretending to be others,and making up stories. You have quite the imagination. It borders on Criminally insane. But thats not for me to decide.
          Now sign in as someone else and post more BS. Dont you worry boy.. I'll read it later. Got people comin
          You may join us too Marky.. You have the address
          Coward
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 15, 2010, 04:31:41 PM
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          Ahhhh, the famous fArt line..(I'm gonna have friends over today for a bbq). fArt usually uses that line when he gets frustrated. He desperately wants people here to believe that he has friends, that he will use the old bbq line over and over again.
          Same shit, different year! This guy is unreal!


           :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  Oh don't think for a second," Reporter " that I believed the friend part, who would be friends with such a nasty dirty person, and I use the word person loosely. He has to be frustrated and confused , you have been exposed to him longer than I have , all though he thinks were the same person, But for you to point out the same misbehaviors from the past, speaks volumes about the Great Farty and his ways,. Some of us thought he just dressed up for us   :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:    And I guess now we don't feel so special anymore, some of thought we were actually striking a nerve or two and he couldn't take it. I am glad you have been able to clear that up. None of us would have thought someone with that attitude and mouth, wouldnt be locked up by now. But the Cop's know he is just some crank acting silly again, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:





          PS a comment from the Fart," Elan Reporter" Please listen he is speaking to both of us again. :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  




          e: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
           by liarsexposed » 9 minutes ago

          Poor Marky
          Did the big guy on the corner stick it in your ass too far ?
          Very angry and upset today.
          Relax Marky.. Its all over buttercup
          I suppose I could create myself 3-4 new accounts and screen names too. I just dont have the desire,time,or patience to play that game. That kind of thing is reserved for mentally ill,mental midgets like youself, that have nothing better to do than to stalk people,then post about their findings. I could do the same.. If I cared where you live or anything else about you.
          I just dont. I'd rather read your childish rants,pretending to be others,and making up stories. You have quite the imagination. It borders on Criminally insane. But thats not for me to decide.
          Now sign in as someone else and post more BS. Dont you worry boy.. I'll read it later. Got people comin
          You may join us too Marky.. You have the address
          Coward





          Hey " Reporter " he talking about the fake friends again, and practicing  psychiatry, you were right he is a nut  bag. It's 3:29 were I live and he claims to have friends coming over, Such a busy guy, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  Don't Shit Your Thong in front of your friends, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 15, 2010, 04:36:06 PM
          :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: Hey Farty you said you had guest why are you still here , Busted again.



          It's not hard to see who is on line here stupid, :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:  Busted again.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 15, 2010, 04:42:57 PM
          Jeeez Marky
          16 minutes  ?
          Someone is really upset and spun
          I will give you this... People like me should wear a thong.
          other than that
          Everything you have written has been a lie
          and I look forward to defending myself in a different fashion
          See you soon !
          Do you call yourself "The Elan Rporter" when scopin the homeless at the train station ?
          Guess who had 20 minutes worth of laughs at your dumb ass today  ... Besides me!
          Will give you a hint.. I was in Fox Lake
          Any 98lb women throw you out of any other place lately ?
          My guests havent arrived yet Marky. Nothing to be busted over. Its just a couple old friends..
          Dont be shy Marky.. Chicken, burgers,dogs.. I bought enough to feed an army
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Eliscu2 on August 16, 2010, 03:56:29 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Jeeez Marky
          16 minutes  ?
          Someone is really upset and spun
          I will give you this... People like me should wear a thong.
          other than that
          Everything you have written has been a lie
          and I look forward to defending myself in a different fashion
          See you soon !
          Do you call yourself "The Elan Rporter" when scopin the homeless at the train station ?
          Guess who had 20 minutes worth of laughs at your dumb ass today  ... Besides me!
          Will give you a hint.. I was in Fox Lake
          Any 98lb women throw you out of any other place lately ?
          My guests havent arrived yet Marky. Nothing to be busted over. Its just a couple old friends..
          Dont be shy Marky.. Chicken, burgers,dogs.. I bought enough to feed an army
          :on phone: I got no invitation...oh well..... :waaaa:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 16, 2010, 07:08:19 AM
          LOL
          Felice
          You never need an invite. Was the nicest sunset Ive seen in a while. I thought you were comin the other night?
          Marky was never gonna show up. The only Power this turd has, is on the net,where he can be a Fraud. Pretending to be others and his foul mouth. He could/would never act that way in person. Someone would have given him a beatdown by now.
          50 years old and still playing little girl games.
          Dont worry Marky.. Your only audience member will be here later to support you. Anne's hubby will go to work,and she will chime in till 5..but not after....
          Couple of scumbags seeking attention
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 16, 2010, 10:28:37 AM
          Quote from: "Eliscu2"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Jeeez Marky
          16 minutes  ?
          Someone is really upset and spun
          I will give you this... People like me should wear a thong.
          other than that
          Everything you have written has been a lie
          and I look forward to defending myself in a different fashion
          See you soon !
          Do you call yourself "The Elan Rporter" when scopin the homeless at the train station ?
          Guess who had 20 minutes worth of laughs at your dumb ass today  ... Besides me!
          Will give you a hint.. I was in Fox Lake
          Any 98lb women throw you out of any other place lately ?
          My guests havent arrived yet Marky. Nothing to be busted over. Its just a couple old friends..
          Dont be shy Marky.. Chicken, burgers,dogs.. I bought enough to feed an army

           :on phone: I got no invitation...oh well..... :waaaa:


          " Felice " I don't think you need the company of the Fart, God knows enough bull-shit comes your way in life, were you don't have to look for it. I hope things have cleared up a bit and, life is going smooth again. hang in there your  Great People,and a Survivor, :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 16, 2010, 10:42:30 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Jeeez Marky
          16 minutes  ?
          Someone is really upset and spun
          I will give you this... People like me should wear a thong.
          other than that
          Everything you have written has been a lie
          and I look forward to defending myself in a different fashion
          See you soon !
          Do you call yourself "The Elan Rporter" when scopin the homeless at the train station ?
          Guess who had 20 minutes worth of laughs at your dumb ass today  ... Besides me!
          Will give you a hint.. I was in Fox Lake
          Any 98lb women throw you out of any other place lately ?
          My guests havent arrived yet Marky. Nothing to be busted over. Its just a couple old friends..
          Dont be shy Marky.. Chicken, burgers,dogs.. I bought enough to feed an army



          Are you talking about  the little Beetle looking broad with the Mullet, That the guy at the auto shop we know was going out with. Maybe you should ask him, why they don't go out anymore. He told me he caught her with and old boy friend,. And thats the second time by the way. She also loves the bars and has a potty mouth like a truck driver, Lives with her Mom, with her kids and, pretends to have the world by the ass. Yes I remember her but don't remember her version of me. She pretends to have such wealth and privilege, But seeks love in the bar and anywhere else. Who watches her kids while she is out getting drunk and acting like a fool and other things, ??

          You always find the best references Farty, How many guy's is she going out with now,??
          Or is she just free styling for now, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:



          P.S.  Mullet girl also claimed to own half of the Auto Shop your friend owns, tell him that for a good laugh, she was going to save the repair business and show him how it's done,
          Only problem is she was done by everyone else, and got caught. So I guess that's what she was going to show him on how to get things done, but  I don't think was thinking about her getting done, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

          I saw her about two week's ago standing in front of KC Cabin drinking  talking with some guy, not hard to spot her she is as tall as she is round, about what would you say 4ft 6 in tall and 125 pounds, yea she is a real looker alright. :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl: And loves the bars, sounds like your type of gal.


          I have always held the words of a bar-fly with high regard, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          You find the best references for everything, Wish her well and, I would buy her another drink but I don't hang out in bars nor am I a drunk by any means. So the crowds will never pass, :cheers:  :cheers:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:


          Maybe if she was home taking care of her kids,instead of out getting drunk and carousing, she might command some respect, And anyone who would read this with young kids, would agree , Mom should be at home not in the Bar, while grandma makes excuses for were mommy is and what she is doing or who, or if she will be home tonight, She is not 17 or 18 years old and mom's got the kids tonight. She has to be in her 40's or better, at least she looks that old.


          Tell the whole story and the type of folks you gain reference from Farty. This girl has more problems than most of us from Elan do. She lives at home and parties till she vomits and some of the places she parties in would make a person vomit. Wish her and her fabricated stories well, She defiantly showed me up, :rofl:  :rofl:  Were you both drunk together when she said that,?? Sound's like bar talk, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 16, 2010, 11:35:35 AM
          Oh Marky
          I was making reference to you being caught in ANOTHER lie. Funny how you missed that AND being thrown out by her.
          What she is... you are absolutely correct,what she pulled.. You bet
          But of course you missed the point
          Liar,cheater,thief
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 16, 2010, 11:49:41 AM
          Must eat you up inside that your lies  and screen names fall on deaf ears
          Looks like you are truly alone in this crusade against me..well not counting your Fraudulent screen names ....
          Get over it and yourself Marky
          You are nothing but a fraud... All the "acting-out" in the world doesnt change what you are
          NOTHING
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Pile of Dead Kids on August 16, 2010, 11:56:33 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Looks like you are truly alone in this crusade against me..

          No, we all hate you, you miserable piece of shit. You don't think we remember (one of) the guy(s) who tried to take down Fornits?

          Stick a loaded .357 in your mouth and chow down.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 16, 2010, 11:57:41 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Oh Marky
          I was making reference to you being caught in ANOTHER lie. Funny how you missed that AND being thrown out by her.
          What she is... you are absolutely correct,what she pulled.. You bet
          But of course you missed the point
          Liar,cheater,thief



          Then how would you use her for a banner Art,
          She has more issues than any of us, and to believe anything she would say shows you to be stupid. The first time your name was mentioned down there , She shouted out he is such an ass-hole and thinks his shit don't stink, her words, I was shocked she spoke out against me ," really."  :jawdrop:   The little guy down there is the drama queen. so I expect anything out of him, he has been that way for 25 years. When he calls here and there and  say's why don't you call, I tell him he got in the wrong drama this time. I don't hate him, I know him,  and thats how he is, he is still a good guy, just likes to stir the pot. As far as her, trust me she is not your friend nor mine.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Froderik on August 16, 2010, 11:58:15 AM
          I care less and less about this thread every day.  ::deadhorse::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 16, 2010, 11:59:28 AM
          Quote from: "Pile of Dead Kids"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Looks like you are truly alone in this crusade against me..

          No, we all hate you, you miserable piece of shit. You don't think we remember (one of) the guy(s) who tried to take down Fornits?

          Stick a loaded .357 in your mouth and chow down.



          Great Post, :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:   Farty  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Pile of shit on August 16, 2010, 12:14:33 PM
          PODK is correct, pull the trigger and use cop killers.  Please have someone film it.  They can post it on youtube.  WOW!!!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 16, 2010, 12:58:25 PM
          Use her for a Banner  ?
          I wouldnt use her as a cum receptacle. She is alot like you tho
          Liar,untrustworthy,makes up stories,cheater I could go on but
          Marky = GRow the fuck up. You lie,and you get caught every time. Today is no different
          Grow a pair and go away. Your little girl games are over.
          Mr Pile of whatever.. Is that your newest screen name or just another attention seeker ?
          You are the joke of Elan Period
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: 007 on August 16, 2010, 02:34:06 PM
          ART find a homeless person who'll urinate in your mouth for $50.  Choke on your vomit.  :rocker:

           :jawdrop:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 16, 2010, 03:12:51 PM
          Quote from: "007"
          ART find a homeless person who'll urinate in your mouth for $50.  Choke on your vomit.  :rocker:

           :jawdrop:

           
          YAAAAAAWWWWWNNNNNNNNN
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Pile of Dead Kids on August 16, 2010, 03:30:39 PM
          So you're opening your mouth wide for it, then?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 16, 2010, 03:34:39 PM
          Speaking of using things as cum recepticles fArt. Do you still have that dog that you sodomized everyday in the past? I wouldn't be surprised if you got on the floor and got under that dog and licked it's dick. :roflmao: You're a disgusting, fat ass, sick fuck fArt! ::puke:: Then fArt enjoys the rest of his time viewing his child porn that he has on his hard drive. :ftard:  :jawdrop: Oh, taking your shit out of the toilet and sculping it into the shape of a hotdog for grilling later, doesn't make a hotdog. At least not the hotdogs that a normal person would eat. :cheers: Child molestor, dog fucker, shit eating fat peice of shit. :bs:  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Pile of shit on August 16, 2010, 04:00:23 PM
          ART has a new boy toy (http://http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Im3_DDT_eKc/R0Kt5PrNVOI/AAAAAAAAAgg/u_8QNbKswV8/s400/Nigerian%2BMan%2BCaught%2BHaving%2BSex%2BWith%2BA%2BGoat.jpg) WOW!!!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 16, 2010, 04:26:32 PM
          Quote from: "Pile of shit"
          ART has a new boy toy (http://http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Im3_DDT_eKc/R0Kt5PrNVOI/AAAAAAAAAgg/u_8QNbKswV8/s400/Nigerian%2BMan%2BCaught%2BHaving%2BSex%2BWith%2BA%2BGoat.jpg) WOW!!!




          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          Speaking of using things as cum recepticles fArt. Do you still have that dog that you sodomized everyday in the past? I wouldn't be surprised if you got on the floor and got under that dog and licked it's dick. :roflmao: You're a disgusting, fat ass, sick fuck fArt! ::puke:: Then fArt enjoys the rest of his time viewing his child porn that he has on his hard drive. :ftard:  :jawdrop: Oh, taking your shit out of the toilet and sculping it into the shape of a hotdog for grilling later, doesn't make a hotdog. At least not the hotdogs that a normal person would eat. :cheers: Child molestor, dog fucker, shit eating fat peice of shit. :bs:  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::




          Quote from: "Pile of Dead Kids"
          So you're opening your mouth wide for it, then?





          Quote from: "007"
          ART find a homeless person who'll urinate in your mouth for $50.  Choke on your vomit.  :rocker:

           :jawdrop:






          Quote from: "Pile of shit"
          PODK is correct, pull the trigger and use cop killers.  Please have someone film it.  They can post it on youtube.  WOW!!!




          Quote from: "Pile of Dead Kids"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Looks like you are truly alone in this crusade against me..

          No, we all hate you, you miserable piece of shit. You don't think we remember (one of) the guy(s) who tried to take down Fornits?

          Stick a loaded .357 in your mouth and chow down.



           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: You have drawn quite a crowd today to the Farty show,  And your welcome.
          Your the only person I have ever seen, use a cum-receptacle for a reference on someone,You reach deep and far, Have you ever stuck your head up your ass and wiggled your ears, ???  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:   I bet you could do it and, not get stuck,  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  You are more fun than I think folks give you credit for. You are constant entertainment although you need to drop the threats and use some better material. Don't worry no one takes you seriously anyway, so don't be afraid to be yourself with us, or me as you put it. We or I can't be shocked by you so just keep free-styling, and by all means " Don't Shit Your-self,"

          I would be much nicer to you if I thought you were someone gifted or retarded, But the true fact is your a sick demented fuck that likes to victimize  people and disrupt their paths, And  I guess that kind of the same thing, but you choose to be sick they don't. Thats what makes you stand out in the crowd of ass-holes in life, and no, I am not mad , actually I enjoy handing you your ass, along with all of my other screen names as you say.


          Your I.P.  address thing might of held water until you said I was everyone on here, and then you got caught again, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:



                  :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:  Your So Smart Farty  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 16, 2010, 04:39:13 PM
          I enjoy handing you your ass, along with all of my other screen names as you say.

          Gee..Nasty vile posts and then you...
          Marky.. when you are done sucking off the homeless,wipe that shit off your cheek dude.
          Hiding an IP address is only as good as the software you use
          I have a huge suprise for you little man
          This month,maybe next,perhaps the month after.. Just depnds of factors I am not ready to share. But I promise you that you are gonna get the pleasure of my company in the not so distant future. You are going to be even more upset than you are the last few days of getting your ass handed to you.
          I never break a promise
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 16, 2010, 04:42:17 PM
          Quote from: "Pile of shit"
          ART has a new boy toy (http://http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Im3_DDT_eKc/R0Kt5PrNVOI/AAAAAAAAAgg/u_8QNbKswV8/s400/Nigerian%2BMan%2BCaught%2BHaving%2BSex%2BWith%2BA%2BGoat.jpg) WOW!!!


                         :cheers:  :cheers:  You are a true credit to the cause  :rocker:  :rocker:

          That is absolutely hilarious, That is one that many will repost , Great shot and so right, :rocker:


              .
          The Farty is a former Staffer from Elan, and resident, Most of his dark history is on here if you missed any back ground on the Great Farty. I thank you for standing up against the scurvy of the web, And if you have unfortunatly delt with the Fart before, well he running wild here, jump and take a shot, two for a penny, :cheers:  :rofl:  :cheers:      " I.O.U. Accounts Will Be Accepted,"


                                             
          After,  3  cent's , shooting is free for the rest of your stay at the Farty Show, Courtesy Of The Great Farty ent,co,
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 16, 2010, 04:45:36 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          I enjoy handing you your ass, along with all of my other screen names as you say.

          Gee..Nasty vile posts and then you...
          Marky.. when you are done sucking off the homeless,wipe that shit off your cheek dude.
          Hiding an IP address is only as good as the software you use
          I have a huge suprise for you little man
          This month,maybe next,perhaps the month after.. Just depnds of factors I am not ready to share. But I promise you that you are gonna get the pleasure of my company in the not so distant future. You are going to be even more upset than you are the last few days of getting your ass handed to you.
          I never break a promise


          Don't you ever stop,?????  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 16, 2010, 05:49:26 PM
          I would ask the same of you. But I would haveto ask all of your screen names and alias'
          For like 8 or so years......
          LOL
          Do you need some Kleenex ?
          Coward
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 16, 2010, 09:03:35 PM
          Ummm Marky.. is that 007 you too..
          Or is it some other little person seeking attention ?
          I know Marky knows better than to harass me and include my children. But I wonder if you think you are un-detectable cuz you gots softyware to hide your IP. Kinda like when you tried to get onto my fb page with an IP from South America ?
          Oh Marky I am gonna send you some Kleenex.
          Should the "other" little person be reading this... You should be Very careful playing this anonymous game. Marky is a Moron,he cant help himself. He is obsessed,its not his fault. He is sick and demented.
          You dont have to be
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 16, 2010, 10:26:32 PM
          Public bathrooms, that have been modified for fArt's viewing pleasures. Some of these bathrooms are located near Wonder lake's 1/2 rate beach "if you want to call it a beach". fArt likes to take a cordless drill and drill little peep holes in the middle stalls on the left and right side walls, so that he can spy on other people going potty or pee pee. He especially gets excited when one of those stalls is occupied by a child! Now the question is, is has fArt ever tried to grope one of these children? Hmmmm? Care to answer that question fArt?  :rasta:  :rasta: Then there is Mcdonalds restrooms. Preferbly those tht include a Ronald McDonald playland. :timeout: fArt has captured many images using a camera so that he can add the images to his hard disk drive for his sexual viewing pleasures. A fat obeast pervert, who most likely molested his own children, wants nothing more then to have sex with a child and eat out their asshole for a delicious shit sandwich. ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::
          fArt's method of bait is candy. If he can keep a modest supply onhand without eating it all, he will try to lure children away with candy in hopes to fufill his sexual fantasys. ::puke:: fArt only sees this reflection in the mirror.... :moon:  :moon:  :moon: Maybe one day, fart will be hiding in a stall and some childs father will notice that his child is being photographed by fArt and kick the door to the stall in, grab fArt by the throat and beat the living shit out of him, and shove his head into a dirty urinal and take out the urine cake and force it down fArt's throat.  ::OMG::  On second thought, fArt might just like that urine cake shoved down his throat. ::OMG::

          Here's to you fArt Wartshitsky.  ::fullofshit::  ::unhappy::  ::fullofshit::  :moon:  :moon:  ::unhappy::  :suicide:  :suicide:
          May your soul burn in hell for all eternity.  :twofinger:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :twofinger:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 16, 2010, 10:31:37 PM
          It's now past 10pm. Do you know where your dildos are fArt? :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:

          Fucking child molestor! :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 16, 2010, 11:16:19 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Ummm Marky.. is that 007 you too..
          Or is it some other little person seeking attention ?
          I know Marky knows better than to harass me and include my children. But I wonder if you think you are un-detectable cuz you gots softyware to hide your IP. Kinda like when you tried to get onto my fb page with an IP from South America ?
          Oh Marky I am gonna send you some Kleenex.
          Should the "other" little person be reading this... You should be Very careful playing this anonymous game. Marky is a Moron,he cant help himself. He is obsessed,its not his fault. He is sick and demented.
          You dont have to be




          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          I would ask the same of you. But I would haveto ask all of your screen names and alias'
          For like 8 or so years......
          LOL
          Do you need some Kleenex ?
          Coward



          Hey " Reporter " you and your staff have to be getting all this down I hope, Now he is pulling up I.P. # from South America, Does Farty think he works with the FBI now, ??.  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:   I cant say I am use to this type of behavior , but it is funny and amusing to say the least. How come he wont answer the questions about , when he posted being a Pedophile and having sex with underage girl's, ?? I think " Anne " had a fair question, and it was from one of his post, Do you think he is hiding something about himself among all of his friends here, ??  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  



          You don't think Farty has been deceiving us, and is someone else too, ??
          I question his honesty when he get caught in so many lie's all the time , and his threats, they are over the top sometimes, but still have some amusement. Do you think he would slap someone if he ever got into a fight or punch side handed like a girl, ??  Or maybe pull out his Vulcan Taser Gun and vaporise them,??



          I find him very disturbed , and doesn't hold up under pressure very well, and loves mental masochism and self degrading, I cant think of any other reason someone would show up to such an ass kicking everyday.
          You were right " Reporter " this guy is beyond any help, anyone here could provide. I know one thing,  he going to keep threatening people here, and find out I am not the same person on all those screen names and get himself thrown in jail. I cant wait, it's a matter of time till Farty pushes one of them to the brink.
          And " Reporter " you know he will, he cant help himself.
          The Mc Henry County Sheriff will walk in to the junk yard and hall the Fart out maybe his boss  too  because the threats and bile came from his computer system at work, and the Fart loves to brags how his boss watches and laughs. Can you imagine Farty asking him for sex in the jail,??  :D  :moon:   or if he thinks they have internet there,??  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:


          I can't wait for his next words of wit, He still thinks we are the same person, but 007 has him spun for a loop, he claims to have traced him to South America, yes thats correct South America. His  post  up on top." SOUTH AMERICA " BLAAA   BLAAA  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl: .
          His new material is getting better.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 16, 2010, 11:21:52 PM
          e: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          by liarsexposed » Yesterday, 21:39

          I enjoy handing you your ass, along with all of my other screen names as you say.

          Gee..Nasty vile posts and then you...
          Marky.. when you are done sucking off the homeless,wipe that shit off your cheek dude.
          Hiding an IP address is only as good as the software you use
          I have a huge suprise for you little man
          This month,maybe next,perhaps the month after.. Just depnds of factors I am not ready to share. But I promise you that you are gonna get the pleasure of my company in the not so distant future. You are going to be even more upset than you are the last few days of getting your ass handed to you.
          I never break a promise



            :rofl:  :rofl:  Just because you promised this guy something , don't make you honest, are you next ???



          http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Im3_DDT_eKc/R ... 2BGoat.jpg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Im3_DDT_eKc/R0Kt5PrNVOI/AAAAAAAAAgg/u_8QNbKswV8/s400/Nigerian%2BMan%2BCaught%2BHaving%2BSex%2BWith%2BA%2BGoat.jpg)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: photo man on August 17, 2010, 12:31:26 AM
          - Art screws the muffler -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:

          (http://http://s153139690.websitehome.co.uk/fuck%20a%20car.jpg)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 17, 2010, 12:35:41 AM
          viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15357&p=195404&hilit=warshawski#p195404 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15357&p=195404&hilit=warshawski#p195404)


          viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13563&p=167389&hilit=warshawski#p167389 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13563&p=167389&hilit=warshawski#p167389)



          viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13053&p=156298&hilit=warshawski#p156298 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13053&p=156298&hilit=warshawski#p156298)



          viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12758&p=149103&hilit=warshawski#p149103 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12758&p=149103&hilit=warshawski#p149103)


                                                  :cheers:  Best Two  :cheers:


          viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11396&p=127249&hilit=warshawski#p127249 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11396&p=127249&hilit=warshawski#p127249)



                       You remember that one " Reporter ",??  your right this guy has not changed at all. :beat:



           

          viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6892&p=64324&hilit=warshawski#p64324 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6892&p=64324&hilit=warshawski#p64324)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 17, 2010, 12:53:09 AM
          Quote from: "photo man"
          - Art screws the muffler -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:

          (http://http://s153139690.websitehome.co.uk/fuck%20a%20car.jpg)




           :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers: " Photo Man " no one say's it like you, thanks for joining the show,there is plenty of seating, I should warn you Farty thinks I am all the screen names up here so if he speaks to me listen close he might be speaking to you,  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  Out side of that thanks for coming over it a great time and the " Fart " is running hard. Even sporting some new material, but won't answer " Anne " question about him abusing young girls like he posted.. :beat:  :beat:  :beat:


          Maybe you have a way of getting an answer, don,t worry he thinks your IP address is the same as mine, he know's, he traced one all the way to  SOUTH AMERICA, Yep ,  SOUTH AMERICA, So he is on his " A-Game " , :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:


           :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers: Thanks,  and look forward to more of your stories , in  photo  :cheers:  :cheers:




          P.S. How do you always get his good side,??   :rofl:   Is that one taken in Wondertuck, by his  Chair Boat, ?? inquiry minds have to know, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:




          Hey Farty that young man is about done now, and looking for you, he said you were next and paid for the extra treatment,

            http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Im3_DDT_eKc/R ... 2BGoat.jpg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Im3_DDT_eKc/R0Kt5PrNVOI/AAAAAAAAAgg/u_8QNbKswV8/s400/Nigerian%2BMan%2BCaught%2BHaving%2BSex%2BWith%2BA%2BGoat.jpg)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 17, 2010, 07:02:59 AM
          Oh Marky
          Such a nasty little boy. Throwing a nasty little tantrum.. again.
          I wonder which part of the truth got you going this time. Ever notice that when I "catch" you at something.. Next comes an entire page worth of garbage from you.. I mean "The Reporter"
          Had a nice conversation, with what would have been your last 2 supporters last night. They too think you have completely lost your mind. Funny thing, I was able to show them both where you lied to them,and everyone on the board numorous times. They are also privy to whats coming.We laughed a long time over you. You are finally getting the attention you deserve.
          I will just expose one of your lies here this morning. Am kinda in a hurry. "Only been on Fornits a year" Oopps.. that was kinda a whopper of a lie huh Marky?
          Its ok Punkin... Its almost over. I dont even have to Slough through years of your garbage posts here.. You do it for me. You have been and continue to be instrumental in my little project. My attorney called me twice last week to laugh at you,pointing out how really stupid you must really be.
          I sure hope you feel better Marky. You are very angry and spun. Cant be very healthy.
          I have never seen an IP address from Fornits.. Tho Facebook actually called me a few months back asking if I knew anyone from S America,and did I give out my password. They have perhaps been the most cooperative. Seeing how thats where this latest round of Babbletits Bullshit started, I call it Irony
          You poor thing.. You really are clueless
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 17, 2010, 09:09:25 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Oh Marky
          Such a nasty little boy. Throwing a nasty little tantrum.. again.
          I wonder which part of the truth got you going this time. Ever notice that when I "catch" you at something.. Next comes an entire page worth of garbage from you.. I mean "The Reporter"
          Had a nice conversation, with what would have been your last 2 supporters last night. They too think you have completely lost your mind. Funny thing, I was able to show them both where you lied to them,and everyone on the board numorous times. They are also privy to whats coming.We laughed a long time over you. You are finally getting the attention you deserve.
          I will just expose one of your lies here this morning. Am kinda in a hurry. "Only been on Fornits a year" Oopps.. that was kinda a whopper of a lie huh Marky?
          Its ok Punkin... Its almost over. I dont even have to Slough through years of your garbage posts here.. You do it for me. You have been and continue to be instrumental in my little project. My attorney called me twice last week to laugh at you,pointing out how really stupid you must really be.
          I sure hope you feel better Marky. You are very angry and spun. Cant be very healthy.
          I have never seen an IP address from Fornits.. Tho Facebook actually called me a few months back asking if I knew anyone from S America,and did I give out my password. They have perhaps been the most cooperative. Seeing how thats where this latest round of Babbletits Bullshit started, I call it Irony
          You poor thing.. You really are clueless



          SOUTH AMERICA,?? Can you wiggle your ear's when you stick your had up your ass,??.
          Your layers laugh's, are you crazy,?? Your layer would shoot you for baiting everyone and Threatening, as far as Facebook you were kicked out of the thread for your behavior, remember, Ms Mc Farland removed you from the chat room due to your out burst and threats, Was he able to read that, and laugh,?? You are so funny and full of shit, but your years prove that. Like I said Google my name, and Google yours, and see who is the infamous one is. You beat me hands down. There isn't one negative thing with my name attached, you sure can't say the same.




          P.S. Nice photo of you and your Range Rover, did you get that new,  or is the one of the junk yard cars you fell in love with, and had to have,??
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 17, 2010, 09:54:03 AM
          poor illiterate marky
          my had up my ass and my layer?
          you must be very upset
          google only reproduced the bile you have posted
          the game is over marky...
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 17, 2010, 11:46:57 AM
          Hey Marky
          Was being banned from chat anything like being banned from Fornits FB page.... 7-8 times ?
          Could you enlighten us as to who is Gary Stadler ? Or Jeff Cooper ?... How about Joe Gerald ?
          You must be very proud of yourself. You launched a campaign of hate against someone you have never met. 8 years is a long time.
          Have you seen someone about this obsession ? Can I send you a current picture for yoru desk ?
          I dont want you to miss me..
          Loser
          Title: Heather Warshawsky facebook
          Post by: Pile of shit on August 17, 2010, 11:53:58 AM
          http://www.google.com/search?q=Heather+ ... en&client= (http://www.google.com/search?q=Heather+Warshawsky+facebook&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGLL_en&client=)

          Heather Warshawsky facebook

          Heather Warshawsky | Facebook
          Friends: Matthew Scott Quinn, Thomas Quinn, Ryan Shelley, Becki Alsheimer
          Heather Warshawsky is on Facebook. Join Facebook to connect with Heather Warshawsky and others you may know. Facebook gives people the power to share and ...

          http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... clnk&gl=us (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:i-dQ80a6-QIJ:www.facebook.com/heather.warshawsky+Heather+Warshawsky+facebook&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us) - Cached

          WOW!!!

           :jawdrop:
          Title: Art at family BBQ
          Post by: photo man on August 17, 2010, 12:24:14 PM
          - Art at family BBQ -  :rocker:   :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:

          (http://http://lolokaust.com/guides/animal%20guide/chicken_fucker.png)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 17, 2010, 12:37:39 PM
          Wow
          You and Marky feverishly pounding the keys this morning and last night
          and for what purpose ?
          No class losers
          Title: Heather Warshawsky facebook - ART's daughter!!!
          Post by: Pile of shit on August 17, 2010, 12:39:42 PM
          http://www.google.com/search?q=Heather+ ... en&client= (http://www.google.com/search?q=Heather+Warshawsky+facebook&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGLL_en&client=)

          Heather Warshawsky facebook

          Heather Warshawsky | Facebook
          Friends: Matthew Scott Quinn, Thomas Quinn, Ryan Shelley, Becki Alsheimer
          Heather Warshawsky is on Facebook. Join Facebook to connect with Heather Warshawsky and others you may know. Facebook gives people the power to share and ...

          http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... clnk&gl=us (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:i-dQ80a6-QIJ:www.facebook.com/heather.warshawsky+Heather+Warshawsky+facebook&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us) - Cached

          WOW!!!

           :jawdrop:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 17, 2010, 12:58:41 PM
          Would Heather be the one fArt molested? And what about fucking his sister? My God fArt, what the fuck is wrong with you? ::OMG::  You give a new meaning to the word (inbred).

          And now lets take a little look at fArt's lawsuits he has been threatening since far back as 2005 as far as I know. Clearly 5 years have past since the lawsuit threat of 2005, so you would think since that never happened fArt would come up with some new lines. Anyone can clearly see that fArthur Wartshitsky is so full of shit. In fact, he is probably full of more shit then a 1500 gal septic tank would hold! fArt really makes himself look so retarded with using the same stupid material he has been using since 2005 and beyond. Oh I got a laugh out of the one where you recently posted about your lawyer calling you and laughing. Are you sure he wasn't laughing at you? I'm sure I speak for ALL attorneys when I say that they would be having their time wasted on you fArt, because many people hate you here and are handing you your ass on a daily basis. :bs:  :bs: All this negativity that seems to follow you around cyber space and most of it disturbing!! Having sex with your sister, your daughter, eating fecal matter, alcoholism, child molestation, yea..Nice resume you have their fArt. Why wonder you work at a junk yard, who in their right mind would want to hire you or better yet have anything to do with you after looking up your legal given name.

          What a sick freak! :timeout:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 17, 2010, 02:25:29 PM
          You are a facinating little man Marky
          Who will you sign in as next ?
          There is no lawsuit.... Its a waste of money. You have nothing. Certainly nothing to be gotten out of closing fornits. Tho it may again be a bi-product of your mental illness. That is not for me to decide
          I have something much better for you Marky.. Have a little patience.. You will learn about it soon enough.
          Pretty strong words accumulating here at Fornits. Your day will come Marky.
          I never break a promise
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 17, 2010, 02:27:54 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          poor illiterate marky
          my had up my ass and my layer?
          you must be very upset
          google only reproduced the bile you have posted
          the game is over marky...


          Periodically I like to misspell words and over-ride spell check, just to see if you are paying attention and it work's



          The question was, " Can   You   Wiggle   Your   Ear's   ,When   You   Stick   Your  Head   Up   Your   Ass," ???


          So can you, ?? And will you answer the questions, about your like for young underage Girl's or Boy, as you posted in your many rambles. ???

          P.S." Photo Man " No one does it like you, and " Pile of Shit " you might just push the Fart over the edge, we can't wait. He is going to drive his Chair Boat threw they front window of your photo studio,  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:   remember he has tracked people to SOUTH AMERICA, Yep , !  SOUTH AMERICA, so there is no hiding from the Fart, so to speak. :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:


          " Reporter "  he is on a roll, I know your staff must be in tears by now, I am so glad,  as I see everyone else is, that you and your staff were able find time to check in and help chase the Pedophiles and Abusers away.
          " Photo Man "  is doing an excellent job on recording all video and still photography of the day to day moves of the " Farty ". And I think and heard " Pile Of Shit "  is up for " Pulitzer Prize " for the true life documentary of a mad man titled  The Great Farty.



          Excelent job all, and Farty thanks for hanging in there , we know you can take it, thats what keeps you coming back for more, with less intelligible thing to say every time. Dont wear down big guy  your almost there,  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 17, 2010, 02:37:57 PM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          e: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          by liarsexposed » Yesterday, 21:39

          I enjoy handing you your ass, along with all of my other screen names as you say.

          Gee..Nasty vile posts and then you...
          Marky.. when you are done sucking off the homeless,wipe that shit off your cheek dude.
          Hiding an IP address is only as good as the software you use
          I have a huge suprise for you little man
          This month,maybe next,perhaps the month after.. Just depnds of factors I am not ready to share. But I promise you that you are gonna get the pleasure of my company in the not so distant future. You are going to be even more upset than you are the last few days of getting your ass handed to you.
          I never break a promise



            :rofl:  :rofl:  Just because you promised this guy something , don't make you honest, are you next ???



          http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Im3_DDT_eKc/R ... 2BGoat.jpg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Im3_DDT_eKc/R0Kt5PrNVOI/AAAAAAAAAgg/u_8QNbKswV8/s400/Nigerian%2BMan%2BCaught%2BHaving%2BSex%2BWith%2BA%2BGoat.jpg)






          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          by liarsexposed » 3 minutes ago

          You are a facinating little man Marky
          Who will you sign in as next ?
          There is no lawsuit.... Its a waste of money. You have nothing. Certainly nothing to be gotten out of closing fornits. Tho it may again be a bi-product of your mental illness. That is not for me to decide
          I have something much better for you Marky.. Have a little patience.. You will learn about it soon enough.
          Pretty strong words accumulating here at Fornits. Your day will come Marky.
          I never break a promise





          Do you repost your posts and threats ,??
          What did you promise the young boy above ,??  I am sure you lived up to that one, you vial snake,
          Answer the questions about your confessions,  everyone is waiting. We wont judge you ,we already have. Just looking for some clarifications and time lines, you understand.



          P.S. Can you threaten me under one of my other screen names for a while , ?? It's kind of a waist to have them if they aren't being responded to, ya know. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 17, 2010, 03:52:34 PM
          Here goes Marky tellin lies again
          Show me where I threatened you .. please
          Its VILE.. not Vial.. Tho you are probably used to VIALS of drugs, which would explain your being obsessed with me. Not sure why,but 8 years is a very long time Marky. Maybe you should see a Dr about this. Pretending to be others/Posting,then agreeing with yourself is Mentally Ill behavior,especially as long as you have been stalking me. Now Harrassing my family..
          You have alot of class,dummy.. Its all low.. but dont you worry Marky.. Its still class
          You never answered my question Marky.. Tell us about Gary Stadler...Jeff Cooper.. Joe Gerald..
          Dont be shy Marky.. Everyone knows you are a liar.. What could it hurt.. You are already busted
          Lemme know next time you are trolling for cock... I'll let you swallow my cock...
          I bet you are a good little cocksucker
          Title: Art Warshawsky (liarsexposed) your daughter
          Post by: Pile of shit on August 17, 2010, 03:53:51 PM
          :jawdrop:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 17, 2010, 04:43:46 PM
          LOL
          Living up to your name I see
          Loser
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 17, 2010, 10:40:02 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Here goes Marky tellin lies again
          Show me where I threatened you .. please
          Its VILE.. not Vial.. Tho you are probably used to VIALS of drugs, which would explain your being obsessed with me. Not sure why,but 8 years is a very long time Marky. Maybe you should see a Dr about this. Pretending to be others/Posting,then agreeing with yourself is Mentally Ill behavior,especially as long as you have been stalking me. Now Harrassing my family..
          You have alot of class,dummy.. Its all low.. but dont you worry Marky.. Its still class
          You never answered my question Marky.. Tell us about Gary Stadler...Jeff Cooper.. Joe Gerald..
          Dont be shy Marky.. Everyone knows you are a liar.. What could it hurt.. You are already busted
          Lemme know next time you are trolling for cock... I'll let you swallow my cock...
          I bet you are a good little cocksucker



           ::deadhorse::  Now Farty, before you get too delutional, I never would have belived,  that other than maybe your sister,  that you would have ever gotten a gilr pregnant. I know about the druged sex you have openly confessed to, but off-spring ,I am shocked and sumwhat sickent to think some woman let you climb ontop of her and infect her with your germ.
          I wouldn't think drugs could do that, was she awake, ??
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: photo man on August 18, 2010, 03:21:17 AM
          - Art Warshawsky at age 5 -  :rocker:   :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:

          (http://http://irkedmagazine.com/wanderingagoraphobe/leah/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/crack_baby_a_photo_by_masonstormhead_for_flickr.jpg)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 18, 2010, 09:13:53 AM
          :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  Great Shot " Photo Man " , you always get the hardest to find pics of the Fart, did his Mom send that shot in, ?? is it true he was raised by wolf's,??  Do you have a photo's of when he was a camp counselor at Elan , maybe in his camper shorts with his Elan polo that said Staff, with the jelly stains on the front. That was his favorite shirt, and he never washed it they say. They say young girl were able to identify him at night by the stickiness of his shirt, when he would attack them, in the dorms.
          Did you know the Fart got some girl pregnant . :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Pile of shit on August 18, 2010, 12:42:04 PM
          Art when did you get another girl pregnant?  How old was she?  WOW!!!  ::OMG::

           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Pile of shit on August 18, 2010, 07:18:38 PM
          http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark? ... cID=118114 (http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=3963&p=3&topicID=118114)

          NAZI
          Date: Jan 27, 2004
          Art's post at fornits  

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          to all

          Its been brought to my attention that my bashing of Ken is not the best way to deal with this problem called Elan.I will stop for now unless provoked again.Provocation is not limited to things said to me,or actions that effect me.We are a group and I stand tall on being aperson who genuinly cares.Parents and children both.

          The state of Illinois,as well as NY are both concerened(so they say ) and will be looking into our allegations.Some of which they have heard before.State of Illinois seemed a little embarressed at how jids were sent back after they were pulled out in 76.  Elan will be made uncomfortable... again ...

          I want to apologize to those i may have offended with some of my posts to ken.I meant what i said but should not have used this forum to "expedite" my feelings.Ken and I have bumped heads for years, and will probably bump heads again as we share a different experience completely,and he cant fathom the things i saw or was made to do.


          ArtNice try Art, but I think it's a little too late for the law suits are ready and you are on the list.  You're going down Jew boy, and you are gonna fall real hard son.


          Why would someone threaten to sue you???  WOW!!!  

           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 18, 2010, 10:31:14 PM
          :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  Wow farty you have really drawn out the troops, I find it amusing to watch you squirm around and scream, Looks like " Pile of Shit " and " Photo Man "  play hard ball just like you like it.
          Don't you want your kids to know how Daddy act's ?? Or his poor sexual choices in life,Your the one who put it out there, in one of your flurries, so stand up to it now. They are adults, and can handle your past, can't you, ?? I am going to collect a reward from the " I.R.S. " and give it to charity, you sack of shit, I am calling the police, I am taking everyone to court , I warned you Pedo Bear, not to assume I was everyone here, and you found out the hard way like you deserve, No Farty you are hated by many, and years show that, and they show you as the cause.


          http://www.betternetworker.com/files/us ... 20boat.jpg (http://www.betternetworker.com/files/useruploads/16675/fat%20guy%20on%20sinking%20boat.jpg)




          And lets not forget Fart's pride and joy, next to his bitches 8 ball tattoo,



          http://www.bigfishtackle.com/photos/dat ... s_boat.jpg (http://www.bigfishtackle.com/photos/data/542/medium/redneck_bass_boat.jpg)






          Photo's courtesy of " The Photo Man "  Inc. LLC.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 18, 2010, 11:04:52 PM
          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=n ... QoNCg9fKXQ (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=news&cd=1&ved=0CCUQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.journaltribune.com%2Farticles%2F2010%2F08%2F18%2Fnews%2Fdoc4c6bf31493ac0581636292.txt&ei=jp5sTOLmJM2jnQeDjZDSBw&usg=AFQjCNHBJv8srLyKRH0K_sXVQoNCg9fKXQ)
          Title: Art Warshawsky craiglist dates
          Post by: photo man on August 19, 2010, 03:37:42 AM
          - Art Warshawsky  craiglist dates -  :rocker:   :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:

          http://flabbybitch.files.wordpress.com/ ... g-butt.jpg (http://flabbybitch.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/big-butt.jpg)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 19, 2010, 09:43:59 AM
          :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: Hey Farty head stuck up your ass, and can't speak,??.  :karma:  :karma:


           
          Oh I know your tied up and busy, isn't that the one you like the best, ?? I bet he is running around trying to keep everyone he knows from logging on to their computers and checking their mail boxes. The exposure of the great Farty is under way and he is shitting a load right now, aren't you Farty.??.
          Didn't you think folks have the same resources you do Farty,? Did you think, your the only one with something to tell,?? Guess what Farty, your the only one with the past you have, and it must be told , to protect others from your crimes and sickness.


          Karma is a bitch on a black horse and it's your turn for a ride, Farty, so hang on while she drags you around the world wide web.

          Are you going to tell,?? Remember how much trouble you get into when you tell Farty, and this fire wont go out, Hope you and Eric don't shit your selfs, laughing at your exposure Fart.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 19, 2010, 10:43:14 AM
          Well Marky.. Its like this
          You have done exactly what I knew you would. Each and every time I exposed your lies and multiple screen names. What you have done,has provided several people with alot of laughs,and alot of pity. Not to mention you have exposed yourself to exactly what I had planned.
          I think shitting yourself would be the least of your worries.
          Its not by accident that I came here to expose you. Nor was it for the fun of it.
          again.. You lose
          See ya soon !
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 19, 2010, 11:30:42 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Well Marky.. Its like this
          You have done exactly what I knew you would. Each and every time I exposed your lies and multiple screen names. What you have done,has provided several people with alot of laughs,and alot of pity. Not to mention you have exposed yourself to exactly what I had planned.
          I think shitting yourself would be the least of your worries.
          Its not by accident that I came here to expose you. Nor was it for the fun of it.
          again.. You lose
          See ya soon !

          Oh Farty haven't you gotten enough of your ass-handed to you yet,??  and why are you still threatening me, ? Was that the advice of your lawyer or the legal advice you sought,?? Did they tell you to keep baiting everyone and boasting how your going to get them, ?? Your busted again, just like the Elan Reported said you like to threaten folks with the FBI and IRS and Court's etc.
          But the real fact is, the longer you go on with your threats and harassment ,you just dig in deeper,
          True legal advice would, be stay away and not talk to, or respond to anyone. Don't go on the site and by all means do not threaten or harass anyone. If you want to prove, they are out to get you, you have to let them come to you, not seek them out and tease or bait them.

          You have years of baiting and harassment and threats on this site and they have been brought here for everyone to see. So legal action on your behalf is quite hard to believe, You are the one doing all the threatening and harassing. And I do hope you send them my way, in regards to the post on that Heather, your eye's will pop out when that I.P. address comes up. I would almost bet it's someone who really knows you well and loves to watch you go crazy. Someone else you fucked around.

          I personally never knew or thought of you being a father to anything much less a person, And with the amount of folks out there with your last name, it would be a stretch to pull that name, out of my ass stupid. So check your Rollo-Dex, and think of who else you have offended or pissed off, they are probably closer that you think.


          Sometime, we tend to look farther out than we should , when looking for the source of a problem, when it's really all started at our feet.
          So think that over Farty while you wipe up and clean you camper shorts out. There is an old saying in life Farty, and I am sure you never had a mentor to tell you these things,  and thats ,In life, The ones that will get you, are the ones that know you the best, And we all piss off people, and cause them to maybe not be so nice on own behalf, even bad mouth us. Strangers and Passer's by normally don't give a shit, and poke fun and have a good time. And why ??  Because generally they don't know the weak spots or areas that really get to the person, like a friend or former friend would ,nor have the hostility to use it.


          I know thats a little deep for you to comprehend, and that you, with so many friends, just can't believe such a thing, but it's true. It could be Eric or someone that close, who ever it is they know you very well, better than most of us, they know you personally and love to watch you go nut's.

          Your that type of person Farty, someone who would bait someone to stir the pot and love watching  them go nut's. You are Ex-Staff from Elan, you thrived on others tears and pain. As you have posted, Elan gave you the tools to manipulate . lie , cheat and control. Don't you remember the game ,?? you ran it. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Heather Warshawsky
          Post by: Pile of shit on August 19, 2010, 12:20:54 PM
          Heather Warshawsky WOW!!!  Operation notify Heather ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 19, 2010, 04:53:56 PM
          Poor Marky
          Are you gonna cry and whine all your life ?
          I am sorry I have this power over you. Forcing you to write your lies and fairy tales. You must be very bored and lonely, to have the time to post this nonsense over and over. Not to mention pretend to be how many other people ? Your 8 year obsession is really getting the best of you.
          "Rallying the troops" LOL .. Talking about yourself in the 3rd person is freakin hysterical
          thanks for the laughs today Marky
          I sure do make goodlookin kids huh ?
          Got Kleenex ?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Pile of Dead Kids on August 19, 2010, 04:59:53 PM
          And there aren't a whole lot of flyers around Art's house detailing his crimes against children, because...?

          You guys need to stop arguing and start owning. This infinite loop is a waste of time.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 19, 2010, 05:53:53 PM
          Quote from: "Pile of Dead Kids"
          And there aren't a whole lot of flyers around Art's house detailing his crimes against children, because...?

          You guys need to stop arguing and start owning. This infinite loop is a waste of time.

          How about BECAUSE MArky is a LIAR.. and playing the same little girl games he has been playing for 8 years
          Ownership has begun
          Just a matter of time
          lThis infinate loop is as a result of Marky's cowardice. If he really had something to say,and was a man about it,he would have come the 2 whole miles and talk this shit to my face
          Ooops Sorry Marky .. Make sure to sign in as the Reporter and agree with yourself in the usual diatribe
          Made right with Sharon,had Felice over for dinner the other night. You are the only one throwing a tantrum. You are all alone
          Which I must say.. Is VERY entertaining
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Pile of shit on August 19, 2010, 06:02:42 PM
          Quote
          Made right with Sharon,had Felice over for dinner the other night. You are the only one throwing a tantrum. You are all alone
          Which I must say.. Is VERY entertaining

           ::fullofshit::

          Speaking of flyers, send them to the school closest to his home.

           :jawdrop:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 19, 2010, 09:15:02 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "Pile of Dead Kids"
          And there aren't a whole lot of flyers around Art's house detailing his crimes against children, because...?

          You guys need to stop arguing and start owning. This infinite loop is a waste of time.

          How about BECAUSE MArky is a LIAR.. and playing the same little girl games he has been playing for 8 years
          Ownership has begun
          Just a matter of time
          lThis infinate loop is as a result of Marky's cowardice. If he really had something to say,and was a man about it,he would have come the 2 whole miles and talk this shit to my face
          Ooops Sorry Marky .. Make sure to sign in as the Reporter and agree with yourself in the usual diatribe
          Made right with Sharon,had Felice over for dinner the other night. You are the only one throwing a tantrum. You are all alone
          Which I must say.. Is VERY entertaining




          Hey Farty Look   ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::


          download/file.php?id=602 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/download/file.php?id=602)



          Why are you always threatening me,??  It's not working,  oh I know It's going too, right Farty, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 20, 2010, 06:35:57 AM
          Marky
          Try something like a positive approach
          You continue to lie,and make up stories about me in a place where very few attend. You can make up all the screen names you like.. but in the end.. its still your lies
          Problem is.. You have nobody to convince. Nobody reads your drivel,fairy tales. If they did,they still wouldnt care,OR believe you. The forum is dead quiet and beyond someone's Daughter playing Moron (and winning)... Its just you
          Arent you 50 ? This is mature 50 yr old behavior ? No wonder you are un-employable. No wonder you never leave the house.
          Get some help for your obsession. They have many kinds of medicine's you can take.
          Hell.. you may even start to like yourself one day
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 20, 2010, 08:25:19 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Marky
          Try something like a positive approach
          You continue to lie,and make up stories about me in a place where very few attend. You can make up all the screen names you like.. but in the end.. its still your lies
          Problem is.. You have nobody to convince. Nobody reads your drivel,fairy tales. If they did,they still wouldnt care,OR believe you. The forum is dead quiet and beyond someone's Daughter playing Moron (and winning)... Its just you
          Arent you 50 ? This is mature 50 yr old behavior ? No wonder you are un-employable. No wonder you never leave the house.
          Get some help for your obsession. They have many kinds of medicine's you can take.
          Hell.. you may even start to like yourself one day




          Numbers don't lie moron, There are 1257 post and 20,004 views of this thread, On Monday this week it started out at 1220 post and 19,438 views.= 566 views and 37 posts. in 4 days, it's 6;52  am  Fri morning now .I would say allot of folks are looking, at least the numbers reflect it..


          Maybe thats why I can stay home and make money and you can't, I can count and pay attention you can't.
          It bothers you so deep down,  that I don't have to sit at a counter all day, and put up with the publics shit and others ordering me around.That you don't know what to do.
          Knowing that no matter how hard you work, or do anything, your only going to make so much.
          I myself get up in the morning and decide how much I am going to make, and what I will do to get it.
          Thats the nice part of having your own business, I am able to decide, what I do and how much the charges will be,I don't get sent to jobs I don't want to do, I pick everything and make all the decisions, and thats not always the most fun, but it is control of my life.
          And affords me a lifestyle much nicer than yours, and guess what I own everything I have, I have only one mortgage payment and thats on my house and it's not allot ,. I still have 4 rentals too that are paid for, Starting to see why the gun is not to my head to have to kill myself behind a desk.
          I saved my money and invested it in my future, so at 50 I can slow down and not run like a fool forever. I did't drink it up in a bar or blow it on drugs or woman. I looked ahead.
          If your so successful in life, why are you paying rent, ?? You brag about Fat steaks and boats,
          Did you know that a $150.000 mortgage, financed properly can be under a 1000.00 a month, So why do you rent, ?? a man of your high finances should own right, ?? Heck I am sure your making all of 1000.00 a week clear aren't you,. ?? Don't be modest, just honest.

          Don't hate me because I have more than you Farty, I don't hate you for having less. I hate you for who and what you are. And unwillingness to change, and be someone nice like you claim you are.


          P.S. I like myself everyday, Can you say the same,?? Try being nice today with out getting sick, and see how different folks might treat you, not just here but everywhere. :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 20, 2010, 09:36:27 AM
          LOL
          You are a regular entrepreneur Marky
          Did you accumulate all of this through lying,cheating,stealing too ?
          Please dont answer,I dont care
          What does that have to do with you stalking me for 8 years ? Or signing in as others to give the impression that others have sided with you.
          You are one whacked out little boy.
          Are you gonna leave the house today ? Post vile pictures ? How many times will you pretend to be someone else and agree with yourself ?
          I wouldnt trade my life for 10 minutes of yours.
          You are gravely ill.
          Coward
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 20, 2010, 10:28:41 PM
          So fArt not only did you have sex with a young girl named Heather, which later found out is your daughter, but I just have to know something. Is this also the same girl you paid to have deficate on your chest and you smeared yourself with her fecal matter? ::fullofshit::  :rasta:  You have some really fucked up sexual preferences fArt. :beat: Sick, sick, man!  :notworthy: Now that you seemed to have attracted more negative attention to yourself, which is haunting you currently and watching you fall apart  :bs:  :bs:  :bs: and can only copy, paste incoherent posts of yours of the past and repost them again, thinking you have a chance to stand up and take on everyone.  :roflmao: You are so pathetic!  :suicide:  Fat, middle aged, perverted Jewish man, who likes to have sex with very young girls and boys! Using candy as bait at a playground, to lure them to your liar, where you drug them and repeatedly rape them. I can't wait until you are caught either by the law, or better yet by some childs relative, who will issue their own brand of justice out for you.  :rocker:  :rocker:  You like abducting young girls and boys, you better be brave enough to stand up and face the music. :rocker: Because all of it will come back to haunt you, that i promise you fella.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 20, 2010, 10:40:30 PM
          thanks Marky
          showing off how vile you can be ?
          This is what you have been reducedx to
          i will pray for you Marky
          nite nite
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 21, 2010, 07:05:31 AM
          Because all of it will come back to haunt you, that i promise you fella.
           
          LOL
          I gotta tell ya Marky...
          Something or someone is obviously haunting you. I couldnt even think of some of the things you write because they are just sick. I know you think you are safe because of the software you are using to hide your IP. But you are wrong,and you have failed again.
          I only glanced at your nonsense last night,as I was kinda busy. But as I attempt to read your drivel this morning,I think you really should seek some longterm psychiatric care. You are damaged goods. You have been reduced to pretending to be others,which would have to be the ultimate compliment to me
          I thank you
          Now please sign in as someone else, so you can agree with yourself and complete your posts.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 21, 2010, 07:32:03 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          LOL
          You are a regular entrepreneur Marky
          Did you accumulate all of this through lying,cheating,stealing too ?
          Please dont answer,I dont care
          What does that have to do with you stalking me for 8 years ? Or signing in as others to give the impression that others have sided with you.
          You are one whacked out little boy.
          Are you gonna leave the house today ? Post vile pictures ? How many times will you pretend to be someone else and agree with yourself ?
          I wouldnt trade my life for 10 minutes of yours.
          You are gravely ill.
          Coward



          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          thanks Marky
          showing off how vile you can be ?
          This is what you have been reducedx to
          i will pray for you Marky
          nite nite


          You are pathetic,Farty, just pathetic

           
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          So fArt not only did you have sex with a young girl named Heather, which later found out is your daughter, but I just have to know something. Is this also the same girl you paid to have deficate on your chest and you smeared yourself with her fecal matter? ::fullofshit::  :rasta:  You have some really fucked up sexual preferences fArt. :beat: Sick, sick, man!  :notworthy: Now that you seemed to have attracted more negative attention to yourself, which is haunting you currently and watching you fall apart  :bs:  :bs:  :bs: and can only copy, paste incoherent posts of yours of the past and repost them again, thinking you have a chance to stand up and take on everyone.  :roflmao: You are so pathetic!  :suicide:  Fat, middle aged, perverted Jewish man, who likes to have sex with very young girls and boys! Using candy as bait at a playground, to lure them to your liar, where you drug them and repeatedly rape them. I can't wait until you are caught either by the law, or better yet by some childs relative, who will issue their own brand of justice out for you.  :rocker:  :rocker:  You like abducting young girls and boys, you better be brave enough to stand up and face the music. :rocker: Because all of it will come back to haunt you, that i promise you fella.


          " The Elan Reporter " has hit it right on the head, you are one sick person and justice will find you, and put you away. Your routine , I will get you or the you will find out soon shit has taken it's toll, You need to talk about your problems and your past, and quit blaming and trying to always divert the attention in different directions than your self.

          I am not the topic Farty you are, your the one who wants to expose the truth, well lets start with you, and the questions about your problems with youths and sex, as you have confessed to and posted.
          Thats why we always repost your words, so you won't and can't forget them. All anyone ask's, is that you explain why you wrote the things you have, and now, not want to talk about them.??.

          Everyone is allot more interested in you and rape and molestation confession, Than they are me and some cum-sack you use for a reference. See Farty any friend of yours, is no friend of mine, so to hear something negative is good not bad.That means, I am not like them and don't mix well.And that is the best grade anyone good get, and that means being nothing like you Farty or having anything in common with you or your friends.


          Don't shit your self Farty, and do something about this Heather thing, I still say " Pile Of Shit " is just 10 feet away from you all day and just watches you squirm, Why won't you talk about that thought, ?? I think I am dam close to being right, they know allot about you Farty, think about it, And they don't hold back ,do they,?? And if your able to get an IP address from  SOUTH AMERICA, you should be able to find their address, and I bet it's the computer next to you, stupid. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:



          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Because all of it will come back to haunt you, that i promise you fella.
           
          LOL
          I gotta tell ya Marky...
          Something or someone is obviously haunting you. I couldnt even think of some of the things you write because they are just sick. I know you think you are safe because of the software you are using to hide your IP. But you are wrong,and you have failed again.
          I only glanced at your nonsense last night,as I was kinda busy. But as I attempt to read your drivel this morning,I think you really should seek some longterm psychiatric care. You are damaged goods. You have been reduced to pretending to be others,which would have to be the ultimate compliment to me
          I thank you
          Now please sign in as someone else, so you can agree with yourself and complete your posts.



            :rasta:  :rasta:  Well Farty has made a confession and told a truth, :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:

          Your right Farty you don't have my IP address nor anyone else's, and you don't have the knowledge or resources to get it. Every time you open your mouth, you sound more stupid than the last time.
          Because as I have said, if you were able to find the addresses you would know I am not everyone here. But you already know that, and are afraid of upsetting the ones that chase you for the truth, and bring more hell on your self.Smart thinking, because they have a whole bag full or goody's on you. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:




          Remember this one Farty,

           Which is all good. Thats what children do when they are caught,and cannot substantiate their own lies. I think its a CRIME to have Sharon play mommy to a dog,much less children. Mark has been cheating and lying to protect himself from the IRS, but I corrected that for him. I may even get a reward LOL.. Will donate to a charity if that actually happens. But even if it doesnt, Mark should have learned @ 50 yrs old not to lie,cheat and steal. I only helped him learn that
          I hope this clears up any misinformation that these 2 and their 4-5 Screen names are trying to play. I find it very funny,but sad at the same time.


          Maybe you can use that reward money to get Heather treatment when she discovers how her Daddy is a child molester, and abuser of others. Or after she reads your years of bile, and threats you have projected to people. :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  Karma is hell, isn't it, ??  and you hate when it's your turn.But then it's always your turn.  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 21, 2010, 07:58:38 AM
          Wow Marky
          You must be seething with anger. Every time I call you out for being a liar....
          This is what follows...
          Some long diatribe,written by you,only with a different screen name to give the impression that "many" here know anything about me. No person that is sane,or my friend would write such things as I dont havepeople like that in my life
          Just you Marky
          Speaking of squirming... I believe this is exactly what you just did.
          all better now ?
          Classless loser
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 21, 2010, 10:27:38 AM
          Well the frustration that consumes fArt is so apparent. Now I am Mark according to fArt. Give it up loser! How many different people have you tried to guess I was? About 11 that I can currently think of over the years, probably more. fArt I have not forgotten the time where you cried like a little boy throwing a tantrum when I found your plentyofish.com date profile and posted the link. You accussed me of hacking into your computer at the time, when a simple search on you was all that was needed. I can't believe you actually thought your computer was hacked into. So you eventially learned how to do searches, simple searches, searches that a 10 year old could do easily. For the record, all of us here are grown men and women, your stupid threats of how you can track ip's and so on... they don't work on people like us who know best. You might want to take your posts to a forum that has "young" people, young people like say a child who is just discovering the internet and figuring out how it works. They would find your threats to be more realistic, we just laugh at them everyday! I know you like telling yourself everyday, that I am one person with many different screen names, but sorry to burst your bubble once again fArt, but I only use this name to han you your ass. Reality is, everyone here, that despises you..uses one screen name daily here. You are troll fArt, you are a child molestor fArt, I an everyone else will continue to call you out on it and have one heck of a great time watching you fall apart at the seams, as we continue to kick up your areas. You are also an extremely ugly man, that is obeast. I will continue to make fun of you because of that reason too! You're a dick head and a douchebag all rolled up in a pile of fecal matter, and i will continue to forever laugh about that as well!

          See fArt, you have many many many people that I know of on the internet, that loathes you. Not limited to just this forum, but other forums as well. I've watched you over the years make a huge ass out of yourself and recently seen your crimes against minors come back and haunt you. You will not get away with molesting children Arthur Warshawsky from Wonder Lake IL. The evidence is over whelming, and there is far too many people coming forward to back up this evidence. If i were you, i would try to retreat and hide, because your past is really gaining on you and coming back to haunt you these days. I can't wait when some judge throws the book at you and incarcerates your disgusting ass for sex crimes against minors.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 21, 2010, 01:35:40 PM
          Oh Marky
          you should give it up. You areonly making a bigger ass outa yourself (is that possible)
          No person beleives any of your lies. No judge is gonna send me to jail
          Now you on the other hand .. perhaps
          That still remains to be seen
          But you really should look at the Il penal codes about harrassment,stalking etc.. Perhaps if you eductae yourself
          You will shut up and stop pretending to be others
          are ya gonna actually leave the house today Marky ?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Troubled Turd on August 21, 2010, 04:50:47 PM
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          You will not get away with molesting children Arthur Warshawsky from Wonder Lake IL. The evidence is over whelming, and there is far too many people coming forward to back up this evidence. If i were you, i would try to retreat and hide, because your past is really gaining on you and coming back to haunt you these days. I can't wait when some judge throws the book at you and incarcerates your disgusting ass for sex crimes against minors.
          Now might be a good time to list the names of people he committed sex crimes against, in hopes that legal action may someday be taken against him!!

          Maybe if they were to find their name listed on this thread with their abuser's name they would decide to pursue such an action!!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 21, 2010, 05:41:03 PM
          Well one person as come forward already, and told the story about when she was a minor, fArt would drug here and have sex with her.

          Funny you should mention stalking fArt. After all, you are basically stalking everyone here as you have no friends here. :moon:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 21, 2010, 05:57:02 PM
          Awweeee
          I made Marky cry again and tell more lies
          How shocking
          Can I get you some Kleenex ?
          No other person is even on this thread ! LOL
          Thats how Super Duper Important you are!
          Kinda just like real life for you huh Marky
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 21, 2010, 06:35:06 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Wow Marky
          You must be seething with anger. Every time I call you out for being a liar....
          This is what follows...
          Some long diatribe,written by you,only with a different screen name to give the impression that "many" here know anything about me. No person that is sane,or my friend would write such things as I dont havepeople like that in my life
          Just you Marky
          Speaking of squirming... I believe this is exactly what you just did.
          all better now ?
          Classless loser



          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Awweeee
          I made Marky cry again and tell more lies
          How shocking
          Can I get you some Kleenex ?
          No other person is even on this thread ! LOL
          Thats how Super Duper Important you are!
          Kinda just like real life for you huh Marky
          [quote="liarsexposed"



          ]Oh Marky
          you should give it up. You areonly making a bigger ass outa yourself (is that possible)
          No person beleives any of your lies. No judge is gonna send me to jail
          Now you on the other hand .. perhaps
          That still remains to be seen
          But you really should look at the Il penal codes about harrassment,stalking etc.. Perhaps if you eductae yourself
          You will shut up and stop pretending to be others
          are ya gonna actually leave the house today Marky ?[/quote]


          Farty I am not the " Elan Reporter " I am Me !!!  you moron,  :beat:  :beat:   Yes Farty, as the " Reporter "  stated many people don"t like you.   :whip:  :whip:  and thats just something you caused and apparently it keep biting you in your fat ass. You fear the " Reporter " and their staff , and rightfully so, they have presented you your ass every time you open your mouth. And I would be careful of them too, But I would bet you did something to just piss them off and they didn't forget, as no one does Farty, So don't get all bent out of shape, I don't think,  they have ever brought out the Big Guns yet,.



          P.S. " Photo Man " you are the best, :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 21, 2010, 06:46:03 PM
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          Well the frustration that consumes fArt is so apparent. Now I am Mark according to fArt. Give it up loser! How many different people have you tried to guess I was? About 11 that I can currently think of over the years, probably more. fArt I have not forgotten the time where you cried like a little boy throwing a tantrum when I found your plentyofish.com date profile and posted the link. You accussed me of hacking into your computer at the time, when a simple search on you was all that was needed. I can't believe you actually thought your computer was hacked into. So you eventially learned how to do searches, simple searches, searches that a 10 year old could do easily. For the record, all of us here are grown men and women, your stupid threats of how you can track ip's and so on... they don't work on people like us who know best. You might want to take your posts to a forum that has "young" people, young people like say a child who is just discovering the internet and figuring out how it works. They would find your threats to be more realistic, we just laugh at them everyday! I know you like telling yourself everyday, that I am one person with many different screen names, but sorry to burst your bubble once again fArt, but I only use this name to han you your ass. Reality is, everyone here, that despises you..uses one screen name daily here. You are troll fArt, you are a child molestor fArt, I an everyone else will continue to call you out on it and have one heck of a great time watching you fall apart at the seams, as we continue to kick up your areas. You are also an extremely ugly man, that is obeast. I will continue to make fun of you because of that reason too! You're a dick head and a douchebag all rolled up in a pile of fecal matter, and i will continue to forever laugh about that as well!

          See fArt, you have many many many people that I know of on the internet, that loathes you. Not limited to just this forum, but other forums as well. I've watched you over the years make a huge ass out of yourself and recently seen your crimes against minors come back and haunt you. You will not get away with molesting children Arthur Warshawsky from Wonder Lake IL. The evidence is over whelming, and there is far too many people coming forward to back up this evidence. If i were you, i would try to retreat and hide, because your past is really gaining on you and coming back to haunt you these days. I can't wait when some judge throws the book at you and incarcerates your disgusting ass for sex crimes against minors.


           :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  Your words couldn't be better or clearer, He's  got to go to jail, he needs the help they and bubba can provide,. He is an admitted molester on his post's and runs around like it was never said or recorded,. This is one sick fuck. Thanks for the post " Reporter " or should I say Mark, :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: Your a stand up group , did you ever think of that Farty maybe the Reporter is actually a group of people, ?? I know Pile Of Shit knows you, I can,,  retrieve IP # and it didn't come up SOUTH AMERICA,  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 21, 2010, 07:29:20 PM
          Poor Marky
          Are you still crying ?
          You do the same thing day after day. Post as someone else,then follow it up with photo man,then you sign in as yourself.
          BORRRRING
          I think you should create a few more screen names and charactors to cheer you on.
          Must be very hard being this obsessed and sick
          Maybe you need a pacifier... In the shape of a cock
          Nite Nite Marky
          PS I really hope you get out of the house this weekend. The fresh air would do you good
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Troubled Turd on August 21, 2010, 08:18:26 PM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  Your words couldn't be better or clearer, He's  got to go to jail, he needs the help they and bubba can provide,. He is an admitted molester on his post's and runs around like it was never said or recorded,. This is one sick fuck. Thanks for the post " Reporter " or should I say Mark, :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: Your a stand up group , did you ever think of that Farty maybe the Reporter is actually a group of people, ?? I know Pile Of Shit knows you, I can,,  retrieve IP # and it didn't come up SOUTH AMERICA,  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          I think it's time he paid for his crimes.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Pile of Dead Kids on August 21, 2010, 09:17:16 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Maybe you need a pacifier... In the shape of a cock

          What, one of these?

          (http://http://www.nannylynnette.com/EbayPhoto/pacifier_toy_whole.jpg)

          Considering your vast and intimate nature of the subject, I'm sure you can help him find the best deal.

          Quote from: "Troubled Turd"
          I think it's time he paid for his crimes.

          (http://http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/5/50/NixonDoitfaggot.jpg)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 21, 2010, 09:19:36 PM
          No need to pay Marky
          You can have mine for free
          Bend over  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 21, 2010, 09:32:40 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Poor Marky
          Are you still crying ?
          You do the same thing day after day. Post as someone else,then follow it up with photo man,then you sign in as yourself.
          BORRRRING
          I think you should create a few more screen names and charactors to cheer you on.
          Must be very hard being this obsessed and sick
          Maybe you need a pacifier... In the shape of a cock
          Nite Nite Marky
          PS I really hope you get out of the house this weekend. The fresh air would do you good

          Funny you should mention that, seeing that is the exact same thing you did in 2005-2006 time frame. Posting as yourself, then logging in as other users and agreeing with yourself. Do you remember that fArt? Remember you got busted and called out by an admin here at fornits? Then all of us left the board for some time, and you were left basically talking to yourself and agreeing with yourself. If that isn't a tell tale sign of a mental disorder, then I don't know what is.  :rofl:  Are you really that emotional disturbed or stupid, or a little of both? Every time you opened your mouth in the last month here, I am able to call you out on it and let everyone know it's bullshit! But everyone pretty much figured that out long ago about you. I am here to verify it! Then also how you love to enclude the word "COCK" somewhere in your rants. I'm sure fArt has a hard time restraining himself from talking about cock, seeing that he likes to cross dress and go out to gay bars from time to time and pick up guys. :roflmao:  :roflmao: You do look like a woman to begin with, those man tities are very repulisve looking on you. Along with that brillo looking hair of yours, which is probably filled with shit from you brown snow balling your gay lovers you pick up at the gay bars. I hope you choke on a big stiff dick you fat fuck!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 21, 2010, 09:36:09 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          No need to pay Marky
          You can have mine for free
          Bend over  :rocker:

          Thats exactly what you say when you walk into a gay bar and try to pick up guys. Hello, I'm Arthur Warshawsky of Wonder Lake IL. I really would love if you were to escort me into the bathroom and come into a stall with me, and have deep meaningful anal sex with me on top of a toilet. You can have mine for free by the way! :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 21, 2010, 09:38:36 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Poor Marky
          Are you still crying ?
          You do the same thing day after day. Post as someone else,then follow it up with photo man,then you sign in as yourself.
          BORRRRING
          I think you should create a few more screen names and charactors to cheer you on.
          Must be very hard being this obsessed and sick
          Maybe you need a pacifier... In the shape of a cock
          Nite Nite Marky
          PS I really hope you get out of the house this weekend. The fresh air would do you good


          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Poor Marky
          Are you still crying ?
          You do the same thing day after day. Post as someone else,then follow it up with photo man,then you sign in as yourself.
          BORRRRING
          I think you should create a few more screen names and charactors to cheer you on.
          Must be very hard being this obsessed and sick
          Maybe you need a pacifier... In the shape of a cock
          Nite Nite Marky
          PS I really hope you get out of the house this weekend. The fresh air would do you good
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 21, 2010, 09:39:58 PM
          Quote from: "Troubled Turd"
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  Your words couldn't be better or clearer, He's  got to go to jail, he needs the help they and bubba can provide,. He is an admitted molester on his post's and runs around like it was never said or recorded,. This is one sick fuck. Thanks for the post " Reporter " or should I say Mark, :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: Your a stand up group , did you ever think of that Farty maybe the Reporter is actually a group of people, ?? I know Pile Of Shit knows you, I can,,  retrieve IP # and it didn't come up SOUTH AMERICA,  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          I think it's time he paid for his crimes.



          Yes he should and will, You are busted again Farty caught in a lie and molestation again, :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 21, 2010, 09:50:04 PM
          Inside a gay bar on a Saturday night...
          Hello, my name is Arthur Warshawky "The Gay Junk Man" from Wonder Lakes IL. I really am into guys, as well as young girls and boys. But I stand here tonight, all 310 lbs of myself to ask you if you would like to have anal sex with me on top of the toilet in the mens room. I have a dress in this duffle bag I am carrying with me, as well as female panties, a bra for my man tits, and a pink dildo which I would love for you to shove up my ass and then into my mouth. After that fore play, I really would love to 69 you and then have you shit on my man tits. Then you can pee in my mouth and I will gargle your warm golden juice like mouth wash, then swallow. I then would love to carress your COCK until you cum in my mouth, so I can perhaps snow ball it with you. I don't have any money to pay for gay anal sex, but I might be able to buy you a drink or two if thats alright..Please sir, I am a fat obeast, broke, lonely, divorced pathetic junk man that needs man love badly! :jawdrop: I had a real hard day on the internet, as I got my ass handed to me in a very big way as always. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          Here is my card if you want to get together in the near future  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:

          Arthur Warshawsky "The Gay Junk Man" Wonder Lake IL aka obeast deep throat.  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 21, 2010, 09:54:42 PM
          fArt has been "ROASTED"! :dose:

          You're OWNED fella!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Pile of Dead Kids on August 21, 2010, 09:59:15 PM
          You're not going to be able to own him with messages on Fornits no matter what gets posted.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 21, 2010, 10:00:29 PM
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Poor Marky
          Are you still crying ?
          You do the same thing day after day. Post as someone else,then follow it up with photo man,then you sign in as yourself.
          BORRRRING
          I think you should create a few more screen names and charactors to cheer you on.
          Must be very hard being this obsessed and sick
          Maybe you need a pacifier... In the shape of a cock
          Nite Nite Marky
          PS I really hope you get out of the house this weekend. The fresh air would do you good

          Funny you should mention that, seeing that is the exact same thing you did in 2005-2006 time frame. Posting as yourself, then logging in as other users and agreeing with yourself. Do you remember that fArt? Remember you got busted and called out by an admin here at fornits? Then all of us left the board for some time, and you were left basically talking to yourself and agreeing with yourself. If that isn't a tell tale sign of a mental disorder, then I don't know what is.  :rofl:  Are you really that emotional disturbed or stupid, or a little of both? Every time you opened your mouth in the last month here, I am able to call you out on it and let everyone know it's bullshit! But everyone pretty much figured that out long ago about you. I am here to verify it! Then also how you love to enclude the word "COCK" somewhere in your rants. I'm sure fArt has a hard time restraining himself from talking about cock, seeing that he likes to cross dress and go out to gay bars from time to time and pick up guys. :roflmao:  :roflmao: You do look like a woman to begin with, those man tities are very repulisve looking on you. Along with that brillo looking hair of yours, which is probably filled with shit from you brown snow balling your gay lovers you pick up at the gay bars. I hope you choke on a big stiff dick you fat fuck!





           :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  Farty You Fat Fuck,  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:

           Everyone hates you , your a molesting bastard and have been, busted out again, Once again exposed by the " Reporter and their staff.
          Why are you so afraid of the " Reporter ",??   you cowardly fuck, Did they have " Photo Man " post pic of you fucking that Trollop  Mother of yours in the ass, or was it Able fucking you, ??
          You sure are a real hard ass you chicken fuck. be a man or at least impersonate one ,and cop to your fucking  guilt you molesting animal.

          And tell us why the " Reporter always backs you into the corner, ?? and why does Pile Of Shit have you on the run ,?? and you wont respond, are you afraid you will make them madder then they already are,??
          Bad news I don't think you can top what you have already said and done, and been exposed for, you pedophile bastard.  little  Heather would be real proud of you, wouldn't she, ass-hole, ?? Or how about the bar whore you live with, that has the eight ball tattoo, that like's to fight,?? Real Lady, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl: ,
          Do you drug her too,??  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:

          Karma is not pretty Farty, is it,?? And you make yours go round and round and just don't know what to say.
          Stop everyone or I will tell someone or track your IP #, or call the police or IRS, or FBI or someone who will listen, Let me give you a tip farty, If you called the suicide hot line, and they knew it was you, they would hang up or put you on hold.  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 21, 2010, 10:04:30 PM
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          fArt has been "ROASTED"! :dose:

          You're OWNED fella!

          And might I add very well and professionally, :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 21, 2010, 10:09:52 PM
          Quote from: "Pile of Dead Kids"
          You're not going to be able to own him with messages on Fornits no matter what gets posted.

          Every time  Farty  responds with his dibble and lie's, he verify s  ownership, he can't help himself, he is trained to come when he smells  someone pissing, He is always first to lap it up with a smile, and wipe his mouth on his Elan Staff  shirt. The one with the jelly stains on the collar.  :cheers:  :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 22, 2010, 06:07:54 AM
          Funny you should mention that, seeing that is the exact same thing you did in 2005-2006 time frame. Posting as yourself, then logging in as other users and agreeing with yourself. Do you remember that fArt? Remember you got busted and called out by an admin here at fornits? Then all of us left the board for some time, and you were left basically talking to yourself and agreeing with yourself. If that isn't a tell tale sign of a mental disorder
          Poor Marky
          You really cant control your self. Memory serves me well,and it was you ,here posting by yourself when I left you to the last tantrum back in 05. I have never played the troll game Marky. Its not my style. This is getting hysterical. You are making up stories about me that YOU actually are responsible for. BTW IT IS a tell tale sign of a mental disorder and am enjoying every moment of your latest tantrum.
          Looks like you didnt make it out of the house last night either.. You poor thing. Felice is all you have to back you up and I find that sad,more for her than you. You are all alone in this crusade, and its fitting.
          But dont worry Marky. Am gonna keep you company shortly. Then you can truly say thatyou have first hand experience at me being an asshole.. .Instead of the usual lies you make up every day
          Goin fishing.. In my Chair LOL
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 22, 2010, 09:44:41 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Funny you should mention that, seeing that is the exact same thing you did in 2005-2006 time frame. Posting as yourself, then logging in as other users and agreeing with yourself. Do you remember that fArt? Remember you got busted and called out by an admin here at fornits? Then all of us left the board for some time, and you were left basically talking to yourself and agreeing with yourself. If that isn't a tell tale sign of a mental disorder
          Poor Marky
          You really cant control your self. Memory serves me well,and it was you ,here posting by yourself when I left you to the last tantrum back in 05. I have never played the troll game Marky. Its not my style. This is getting hysterical. You are making up stories about me that YOU actually are responsible for. BTW IT IS a tell tale sign of a mental disorder and am enjoying every moment of your latest tantrum.
          Looks like you didnt make it out of the house last night either.. You poor thing. Felice is all you have to back you up and I find that sad,more for her than you. You are all alone in this crusade, and its fitting.
          But dont worry Marky. Am gonna keep you company shortly. Then you can truly say thatyou have first hand experience at me being an asshole.. .Instead of the usual lies you make up every day
          Goin fishing.. In my Chair LOL


          You were doing ok until you threatened me again, but that is your history, and part of your sickness,
          The last thing in the world Felice needs, is you fucking her life up with your bull-shit Farty. You should really leave her out of your problems, I know it bothers you, or wouldn't have brought it up, But if I was able to help free someone from your sick trance, then I have don't them a service, Felice is a good person that has been threw allot, The last thing she needs, are the head games you like to play. Calling her every day, and stalking her with your bile and negativity.

          She know how to have a bad day, without you in it. So leave her alone and let her live her life without your bull-shit and manipulation. Why would she drive 3 hours to see you,?? Oh thats right folks, she lives in south western Wisconsin, not just up the street. Make your stories believable Farty, some of us actually know the people you are talking about and their numbers and address.



          Are you mad, that two of the woman you use to play your head games with, became my friend and ran from you, like they were scared. ???  Well suck it up, I am not a manipulator or bull-shitter, and I am there for my friends daily, not just when they agree with me. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:


          Don't shit the pad on your chair boat. :beat:  :beat:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 22, 2010, 09:55:43 AM
          Calling her every day, and stalking her with your bile and negativity.
           
          You really cant help yourself can you ? He who has been stalking me for 8 yrs  ? Who are you kidding you putz. You really are mentally challenged. This could have ended YEARS ago. All you had to do was shut the fuck up. Stop the games,and the lies and slither back into that hole you came from.
          Lets be very clear
          If I were threatening you. You would be the 1st to know.
          As if you knew anything about Felice. Seems I remember,and if I had the time, I would find it, and post all the nice things you have said about Felice. You seriously need help Marky. You are getting worse every day
          the truth shall set you free asswipe
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 22, 2010, 10:29:22 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Calling her every day, and stalking her with your bile and negativity.
           
          You really cant help yourself can you ? He who has been stalking me for 8 yrs  ? Who are you kidding you putz. You really are mentally challenged. This could have ended YEARS ago. All you had to do was shut the fuck up. Stop the games,and the lies and slither back into that hole you came from.
          Lets be very clear
          If I were threatening you. You would be the 1st to know.
          As if you knew anything about Felice. Seems I remember,and if I had the time, I would find it, and post all the nice things you have said about Felice. You seriously need help Marky. You are getting worse every day
          the truth shall set you free asswipe


          I in fact had a falling out with Felice some time back, maybe two years ago. And that was my fault for responding to harshly and without feeling, but I in now way attack her, like you did Sharon nor ever threaten her. And did, in the end humbly apologized to her, and have stood by her side since.
          There is no mystery there Farty so don't try and make one up, I admit when I am wrong Farty, your not able to do that.

          And I will assume , that every time you tell me I am going to find out, or you will show me, as a threat, and I record you. So you have been busted out again Farty caught in a lie. About the troll thing, have you checked your screen name,?? You fucking phony hypocrite,or is liarsexposed your real name, I believe,that
          liar's would be, but the exposing part, isn't that for the young boy's you meet and the little girls,?


          I thought you were fishing in your chair boat, ?? http://www.bigfishtackle.com/photos/dat ... s_boat.jpg (http://www.bigfishtackle.com/photos/data/542/medium/redneck_bass_boat.jpg)  

           I know you can't cast over the house in front of yours, remember Farty we all know were your shack is, and it's not on the water. The closet it gets to that,is when it floods in you back yard or the septic back up when you flush the toilet. Is the why you and " Eight Ball " shit in a bucket.??  Busted again Farty,  you cant tell the truth can you, ??  and me being all the screen names on the site is your best lie, especially when we all see your insanity. But it adds to the fun and lie's of the farty. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:


          Karma is not nice, is it Farty,??

          http://flabbybitch.files.wordpress.com/ ... g-butt.jpg (http://flabbybitch.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/big-butt.jpg)


          Eight Ball is looking hot Farty. I bet that big bitch, can throw a punch, Someone said she looks allot like your Mom, Do you have any confessions  about you and your Mommy Farty .??   :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 22, 2010, 11:21:12 AM
          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... uPhH2Sox-g (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CCoQtwIwBA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DU1VmGjJJFrc&ei=jD9xTNuFONX-ngeR7PHdCA&usg=AFQjCNFKQjJgiYHZj7BIIFxjuPhH2Sox-g)


          I heard this what Farty did last night, :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 22, 2010, 11:22:56 AM
          http://www.youtube.com/user/zoumstar (http://www.youtube.com/user/zoumstar)


          A discussion on the Big Bad Farty, :cheers:  :cheers:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 22, 2010, 11:51:20 AM
          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... q0QYSfwn7Q (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CBgQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fuser%2Ffunnyd00ds&ei=0UZxTKfAJKOrnAeX0NnnBw&usg=AFQjCNEzPj2sLFxodjliRg5xq0QYSfwn7Q)    :cheers:  :rofl:





           :cheers:  :cheers:  This one is the best, The invisible rope

          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... fNAiF_EULw (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.funny-pranks.net%2F&ei=0UZxTKfAJKOrnAeX0NnnBw&usg=AFQjCNFsLjEfESPpprt3ryDNfNAiF_EULw)


                                :cheers:  :cheers:  

          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... n9YWQmrkDQ (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CCIQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fpages%2Ffunnyd00ds%2F191289247447&ei=0UZxTKfAJKOrnAeX0NnnBw&usg=AFQjCNHhMlqsm5xEBP5P-GwMn9YWQmrkDQ)



          These guys are funny, and have tons of video's  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 22, 2010, 09:17:33 PM
          I heard Marky sat here frustrated and lonely all day
          Posted lies and bile about someone he's never met
          If anyone besides Marky is reading this. Pray for this guy.
          He is obviously a mess
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Troubled Turd on August 22, 2010, 09:39:14 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          I heard Marky sat here frustrated and lonely all day
          Posted lies and bile about someone he's never met
          If anyone besides Marky is reading this. Pray for this guy.
          He is obviously a mess
          Cop to your guilt. Don't even try to escape! Because you're mine! You are all mine! Revenge is mine! My words make you wanna scream like a dead dog dying from anger -- and pain. Uhhhhhh...yeah you know you're a fucking bullshitter. Death picks its teeth with your head! Life! Life is mine! Yup! Revenge is mine! My life is better! Don't fuck with me whatsoever! Yup! Revenge is mine! I take it and I leave it! But this one, motherfucker, is mine! You're the one that's gonna pay this time, buddy! No prob!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 22, 2010, 09:52:21 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          I heard Marky sat here frustrated and lonely all day
          Posted lies and bile about someone he's never met
          If anyone besides Marky is reading this. Pray for this guy.
          He is obviously a mess


          Hey !!  Farty someone heard you,


          Quote from: "Troubled Turd"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          I heard Marky sat here frustrated and lonely all day
          Posted lies and bile about someone he's never met
          If anyone besides Marky is reading this. Pray for this guy.
          He is obviously a mess


          Looks like you got your prayer Farty, but I dont think it's what you were hoping for, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:



          Cop to your guilt. Don't even try to escape! Because you're mine! You are all mine! Revenge is mine! My words make you wanna scream like a dead dog dying from anger -- and pain. Uhhhhhh...yeah you know you're a fucking bullshitter. Death picks its teeth with your head! Life! Life is mine! Yup! Revenge is mine! My life is better! Don't fuck with me whatsoever! Yup! Revenge is mine! I take it and I leave it! But this one, motherfucker, is mine! You're the one that's gonna pay this time, buddy! No prob!



          Why does everyone hate you so much ass-hole,?? or does that say it all,??
          Go fuck yourself Farty, and don't  shit the bed, And thanks for not threatening me this time, ass-hole, :cheers:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 22, 2010, 10:40:12 PM
          fArt....This eight ball women, is she is fat as you fella? I can't imagine a thin chic wanting to date you, so I will assume she is heavy, round, and full of cellulite. :roflmao: I betcha you request that she wears a strap on dildo and a fake beard so she can fuck you in the ass, while you jerk off to a picture of your mother while she was on the rag. ::puke:: Speaking of bloody rags...Didn't you used to eat your mothers discarded used cotton ponies? Or was it she MADE you put them in your mouth when you were a kid as punishment, cause she didn't want to waste a bar of soap on your sorry ass?  :roflmao:  :roflmao: I wonder if you hung out in a public bathroom stall, peeping on children going to the bathroom and pleasured yourself? ::OMG::  One good thing to know is if any of your victums you molested ever decided to come forward and file charges against you for sex crimes against a minor, we will then know once you go to prison the other inmates will beat the living shit out of your fat ass every chance they get. :rasta: They despise child molestors like yourself fArt. :jamin:  The Wonder Lake peeping fArt, thats what the neighbors call you probably. Spending most of your day hanging out in a bathroom stall with a peep hole that you made, you sick bastard! ::puke::

          Oh almost forgot.  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  fArt.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 23, 2010, 07:51:23 AM
          I second that ,  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  ::puke::  Farty
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Pile of shit on August 23, 2010, 08:16:03 AM
          Art I defecated on your mother's saggy breasts at a scat party.  WOW!!!

           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger: :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 23, 2010, 08:48:33 AM
          Quote from: "Pile of shit"
          Art I defecated on your mother's saggy breasts at a scat party.  WOW!!!

           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger: :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:




                                                   :jawdrop:   You mean that old bitch did parties,??  :jawdrop:

          Your mommy is quite the star,  ::puke::  Everyone knows about her too, is she short with a mullet,??
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 23, 2010, 09:03:13 AM
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2oLoBpF ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2oLoBpFmho&feature=related),  



          " Third video " Farty talks about trolls and being fat
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 23, 2010, 09:06:54 AM
          50 years old and posting shit pics ?
          Pretending to be how many others over the weekend ?
          You should seek therapy Marky
          I will keep praying for you
          You are avery sick man
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 23, 2010, 09:25:30 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          50 years old and posting shit pics ?
          Pretending to be how many others over the weekend ?
          You should seek therapy Marky
          I will keep praying for you
          You are avery sick man


                                        Well thank you Farty, But I am not all the folks on here, cant you see that,??


          " Troubled Turd " has been on this site since 2004, think about that while your praying, I don't mind the credit' ,  but I wont take someone else's.  Maybe you should pray for the Troubled Turd too and the " Reporter " and Pile of Shit and all the rest of your admirers, You are very popular besides with me,  :rofl:  :rofl:  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::





           
          Quote from: "Troubled Turd"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          I heard Marky sat here frustrated and lonely all day
          Posted lies and bile about someone he's never met
          If anyone besides Marky is reading this. Pray for this guy.
          He is obviously a mess
          Cop to your guilt. Don't even try to escape! Because you're mine! You are all mine! Revenge is mine! My words make you wanna scream like a dead dog dying from anger -- and pain. Uhhhhhh...yeah you know you're a fucking bullshitter. Death picks its teeth with your head! Life! Life is mine! Yup! Revenge is mine! My life is better! Don't fuck with me whatsoever! Yup! Revenge is mine! I take it and I leave it! But this one, motherfucker, is mine! You're the one that's gonna pay this time, buddy! No prob!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Pile of shit on August 23, 2010, 09:34:24 AM
          Art your mother's vagina smells like rotten tuna.  WOW!!!

           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger: :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 23, 2010, 09:48:57 AM
          Quote from: liarsexposed
          50 years old and posting shit pics ?



          And how old are you Farty, ?  Too old for your sex partners, that you have said. :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 23, 2010, 10:25:57 AM
          Is that true fArt, your mothers vagina smells like rotten tuna? :seg2:  Do you and that 8 ball bitch participate in swinger scat parties?  ::OMG:: fArt when you go to gay bars to pick up men, and then go out into the parking lot or a bathroom stall and perform lewd acts of sodomy....do you at least have the courtesy of giving someone a reach around when you are fucking them in the ass? :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Do you like warming up on your dogs ass before venturing out to a gay bar for hardcore anal sex? :rofl:

          Hey Mark, do you have any pics of this 8-ball rotten crouch bitch? So sad, the perverted junk man of Wonder Lake has to devote most of his pathetic pay check for some bottom barrel feeding hooker to go out with him. Or maybe he uses her as a cover up to divert the residents of Wonder Lake into thinking he is straight?

          Here's to you fArt. :fuckoff:  :twofinger:  :fuckoff:  :twofinger:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 23, 2010, 03:02:36 PM
          Interesting no responses from fArt yet, must be busy hanging out in the public bathrooms looking through the peep holes he drilled through the stall walls. Either that or he is digging up someones dead mother and planning on fucking the corpse. :roflmao: You a necrophiliac fArt? I wouldn't put it past you fella. :rocker:

          Once again, fArt got ROASTED! :waaaa:  :waaaa:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 23, 2010, 05:26:49 PM
          The only person that got roasted here was yourself
          Your own words
          You are a very sick man Mark
          I hope one day you get better
          these are not the rantings of a well person
          But if you recall.. I too have been to Elan
          Your chicken-shit little girl games are easy in comparrison
          You have only hurt yourself by broadcasting your bile
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 23, 2010, 10:12:15 PM
          Well the Wonder Lake "pedophile" crawls out from under a rock, or shall I say "fat 8-ball".  :roflmao:  :roflmao: I guess you were a busy obeast man today, pleasuring yourself to your large collection of kiddie porn you fucker!!! :twofinger: You shit eating, child raping, ugly fat obeast bastard. I enjoy handing you your ass and roasting your pathetic self fArt. Go suck a big one fella.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 23, 2010, 10:27:56 PM
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          Is that true fArt, your mothers vagina smells like rotten tuna? :seg2:  Do you and that 8 ball bitch participate in swinger scat parties?  ::OMG:: fArt when you go to gay bars to pick up men, and then go out into the parking lot or a bathroom stall and perform lewd acts of sodomy....do you at least have the courtesy of giving someone a reach around when you are fucking them in the ass? :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Do you like warming up on your dogs ass before venturing out to a gay bar for hardcore anal sex? :rofl:

          Hey Mark, do you have any pics of this 8-ball rotten crouch bitch? So sad, the perverted junk man of Wonder Lake has to devote most of his pathetic pay check for some bottom barrel feeding hooker to go out with him. Or maybe he uses her as a cover up to divert the residents of Wonder Lake into thinking he is straight?

          Here's to you fArt. :fuckoff:  :twofinger:  :fuckoff:  :twofinger:


           :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:     Sorry I don't " Reporter " but, I do believe Photo Man or Pile of Shit might have one in their archives, I have gathered from others description she is a hideous broad and like's to fight, so I could expect to see anything. ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 23, 2010, 10:38:50 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          The only person that got roasted here was yourself
          Your own words
          You are a very sick man Mark
          I hope one day you get better
          these are not the rantings of a well person
          But if you recall.. I too have been to Elan
          Your chicken-shit little girl games are easy in comparrison
          You have only hurt yourself by broadcasting your bile



          Farty your the IP  wizard , I am not the " Reporter ", Stop playing that mental game with yourself and come to reality man !!!, your going over the edge, again. I hate to see you running around in a make believe world and blaming everything on one person, when it is many people you have upset, and must now cop to your guilt, and be a bit more humble," Ya Know " cheer up Farty  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  Everyone feels the same about you, know ones out to get you, any worse than you get your self, Well maybe the " Reporter " is a few up on you," Ya Know "  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

           Dont shit the bed and be nice to 8 Ball. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 24, 2010, 07:40:06 AM
          Poor Marky
          Up all night posting hate and bile again.. Or should I say still
          Still praying for you Marky
          You should try different weapons Marky. The ones you are using are dull
          Like all of your postings
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 24, 2010, 10:24:19 AM
          I just heard from a little birdie that a long term fornits users wants to join in on handing you your ass fart. By all means, please continue to be delusional and continue to believe that this person is also us. :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

          See Mark, fArt thinks if he keeps telling himself everyday that all the screen names that post against him are one person. I guess it helps keep his fucked up ego in check. Fart clicks his heels together 3'xs daily and receits (Mark uses mutliple screen names) and then "POOF".. The Wonder Lake pedophile lives to fight another day. ::poke::  fArt also loves to lie about his past lies, like when he used 3-4 different log in names and used to use them to agree with himself when he was getting roasted by myself and others. There was a short time, a very long time ago when fArt did have a couple of supporters who use to do battle on his side, but that quickly changed as those people saw right through fArt and knew that they made a bad descion to stand up for fArt. Once the truth of fArt surfaced , they turned on him like a rabid dog, and fArt has been standing alone ever since then with his tiny pecker in his hand. :roflmao:  :roflmao: fArt is truly a disease that fornits has contracted long ago. There was a time when myself and others ran fArt off the board and he sought solace at another elan forum (which I can't think of the web address right now). Anyway fArt behaved himself there for a short time, until he posted something stupid and a couple of people called him out on it. Time to close the doors of Elan was the name of the sight! Not sure if it still exists. fArt would mainly complain over there about fornits and tried at first to recruit people to come here and do battle with him. That back fired on fArt and he was left to either retreat, or face the music if he decided to come back to fornits.

          He was gone for at least 1-2 yrs, as many of us took a long break from here for a couple of years and more. I guess fArt was popping in from time to time to see if the people that roasted him were still posting here and once he saw myself and others not actively posting any longer, he came back only to act like a fat obeast fuck that he is and pissed you off as well as Sharon and so on. It didn't take me long to figure out that "liarsexposed" had the same stupid markings of Arthur Warshawsky and that once again he was running amuck of fornits. So it has been a good 3-4 years since I ran off this sick person and will gladly do battle with IT again. I despise child molestors, peeping toms, and liars..fArt lies about everything practically and also enjoys spicing up his own life so that he can feel better about himself. In reality, if any of us came face to face with fArt he would not have the balls to say anything, he simply would roll away with his tail tucked far up his crouch. The internet allows fArt to pretend and create an altered ego of himself, therefore you get what we currently have here, a alcoholic habitual liar, who feels inferior and ashamed of his life style. fArt is a real sick person, to commit sex crimes against a minor is the lowest of the lows in my book. I have no pity for someone like him.
          Title: Internet tough guy
          Post by: photo man on August 24, 2010, 10:32:19 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Poor Marky
          Up all night posting hate and bile again.. Or should I say still
          Still praying for you Marky
          You should try different weapons Marky. The ones you are using are dull
          Like all of your postings

          - Internet tough guy -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:

           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 24, 2010, 10:55:13 AM
          Thats a nice fairy tale Marky
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 24, 2010, 11:50:24 AM
          I wonder if fArt sucks dick in the junk yard? Provided there are bigger vehicles like vans or box trucks, so that fArt can fit into them comfortably and get on his knees and suck dicks. I'm sure fArt has a little after hours thing going on at the side after the junk yard closes, where he invites homosexuals via the internet to the junk yard and they have gay sex throughout the night. He probably requests that they also shit on his chest and smear it into his man tits. :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 24, 2010, 07:30:55 PM
          What age were you fArt when the child molestation sickness bestowed upon you? Were you taught that at elan while you were a staff member? Did old fry pan face teach you the way of the kruglik and show you how to molest underage girls and boys without getting caught? I know something happened with you and Marty, where you had a falling out and both of you turned on each other however there is missing chapters in between your stint as a staffer and it would be nice if you shared with us what exactly went on. I'm guessing Marty showed you the way how to commit sex crimes on a corner person, so that you would be in his circle of trust. Then at some point he wanted you to perform lewd acts of sex crimes on a teenage boy while he watched on. Is any of this ringing a bell in your head fella?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 24, 2010, 08:50:12 PM
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          I just heard from a little birdie that a long term fornits users wants to join in on handing you your ass fart. By all means, please continue to be delusional and continue to believe that this person is also us. :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

          See Mark, fArt thinks if he keeps telling himself everyday that all the screen names that post against him are one person. I guess it helps keep his fucked up ego in check. Fart clicks his heels together 3'xs daily and receits (Mark uses mutliple screen names) and then "POOF".. The Wonder Lake pedophile lives to fight another day. ::poke::  fArt also loves to lie about his past lies, like when he used 3-4 different log in names and used to use them to agree with himself when he was getting roasted by myself and others. There was a short time, a very long time ago when fArt did have a couple of supporters who use to do battle on his side, but that quickly changed as those people saw right through fArt and knew that they made a bad descion to stand up for fArt. Once the truth of fArt surfaced , they turned on him like a rabid dog, and fArt has been standing alone ever since then with his tiny pecker in his hand. :roflmao:  :roflmao: fArt is truly a disease that fornits has contracted long ago. There was a time when myself and others ran fArt off the board and he sought solace at another elan forum (which I can't think of the web address right now). Anyway fArt behaved himself there for a short time, until he posted something stupid and a couple of people called him out on it. Time to close the doors of Elan was the name of the sight! Not sure if it still exists. fArt would mainly complain over there about fornits and tried at first to recruit people to come here and do battle with him. That back fired on fArt and he was left to either retreat, or face the music if he decided to come back to fornits.

          He was gone for at least 1-2 yrs, as many of us took a long break from here for a couple of years and more. I guess fArt was popping in from time to time to see if the people that roasted him were still posting here and once he saw myself and others not actively posting any longer, he came back only to act like a fat obeast fuck that he is and pissed you off as well as Sharon and so on. It didn't take me long to figure out that "liarsexposed" had the same stupid markings of Arthur Warshawsky and that once again he was running amuck of fornits. So it has been a good 3-4 years since I ran off this sick person and will gladly do battle with IT again. I despise child molestors, peeping toms, and liars..fArt lies about everything practically and also enjoys spicing up his own life so that he can feel better about himself. In reality, if any of us came face to face with fArt he would not have the balls to say anything, he simply would roll away with his tail tucked far up his crouch. The internet allows fArt to pretend and create an altered ego of himself, therefore you get what we currently have here, a alcoholic habitual liar, who feels inferior and ashamed of his life style. fArt is a real sick person, to commit sex crimes against a minor is the lowest of the lows in my book. I have no pity for someone like him.



          I love the fact he believes I am everyone, maybe he will do some more slipping up, Notice he is praying allot and not threatening all of a sudden,????. Oh you think your going to catch me and my 12 screen names, ha ha, :rofl:  :rofl:


          All your going to catch, is your ass being handed to you, We will pray for you farty, that you go to jail for your crimes and lie's.
          You need help, and we hear you' and will be more than happy to help you fella, Oh we have all kinds of help for you Farty, and don't worry we wont give up on you, now matter how much you kick and scream, it's all for your own good, and the good of others, and the youths of our parks.

          We embrace you as a project to cleaning up the streets, of the Pedophiles and stalkers. Great photo of Farty at his computer, " Photo Man ", do you have one of his mother or maybe of his bitch 8 Ball and him,?? Your the best, and we all appreciate you photo spreads of the Great Farty, Thank you " Photo Man " or should I say Marky.  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:



          Quote from: "photo man"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Poor Marky
          Up all night posting hate and bile again.. Or should I say still
          Still praying for you Marky
          You should try different weapons Marky. The ones you are using are dull
          Like all of your postings

          - Internet tough guy -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:

           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:



          download/file.php?id=643 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/download/file.php?id=643)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 24, 2010, 09:14:19 PM
          Can I make a suggestion about your date profile on plentyoffish.com fArt? Mention about how you comiited sex crimes against minors and feed young girls drugs, so that they would perform sexual favors in return. You might just find another sick fuck like yourself from either sex that will make you happier in life.  :tup: And do tell how you perform beastiality on your dog. :jawdrop:  You could also share about the times you fucked your mothers asshole with your tougne and sucked your daddys pecker and swallowed his man juice. :roflmao:  :whip: And would you please cover up on your date profile, a brown paper bag would do wonders in concealing that ugly head of yours.

          Oh and  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: fArt.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 24, 2010, 09:15:47 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Thats a nice fairy tale Marky



          download/file.php?id=643 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/download/file.php?id=643)





          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          Can I make a suggestion about your date profile on plentyoffish.com fArt? Mention about how you comiited sex crimes against minors and feed young girls drugs, so that they would perform sexual favors in return. I might just find another sick fuck like yourself from either sex that will make you happier in life.  :tup: And do tell how you performs beastiality on your dog. :jawdrop:  You could also share about the times you fucked your mothers asshole with your tougne and sucked your daddys pecker and swallowed his man juice. :roflmao:  :whip: And would you please cover up on your date profile, a brown paper bag would do wonders in concealing that ugly head of yours.

          Oh and  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: fArt.



          The " Reporter " Is right, tell the whole truth farty not just the parts you like, folks will find out any way Fella, And then you will be exposed again, and caught in more lie's again, oh and by the way Don't Shit Yourself and, be nice to 8 Ball tonight, she has feeling too. ::puke::  ::puke::




           :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:
          Title: Fart's mum
          Post by: photo man on August 24, 2010, 09:17:30 PM
          - Fart's mum -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:

           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 24, 2010, 09:22:07 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Poor Marky
          Up all night posting hate and bile again.. Or should I say still
          Still praying for you Marky
          You should try different weapons Marky. The ones you are using are dull
          Like all of your postings
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 24, 2010, 09:22:29 PM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Poor Marky
          Up all night posting hate and bile again.. Or should I say still
          Still praying for you Marky
          You should try different weapons Marky. The ones you are using are dull
          Like all of your postings
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 24, 2010, 09:22:43 PM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Poor Marky
          Up all night posting hate and bile again.. Or should I say still
          Still praying for you Marky
          You should try different weapons Marky. The ones you are using are dull
          Like all of your postings
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 24, 2010, 09:22:53 PM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Poor Marky
          Up all night posting hate and bile again.. Or should I say still
          Still praying for you Marky
          You should try different weapons Marky. The ones you are using are dull
          Like all of your postings
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 24, 2010, 09:23:04 PM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Poor Marky
          Up all night posting hate and bile again.. Or should I say still
          Still praying for you Marky
          You should try different weapons Marky. The ones you are using are dull
          Like all of your postings


                                       :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  Look like a recording,???  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 24, 2010, 09:24:21 PM
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          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 24, 2010, 09:31:42 PM
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
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          And let the Farty roast begin, just wait till the good stuff starts Fart, you will wish you kept that big mouth shut, The authorities will soon be around for you, and don't doubt it, allot of folks don't like you, and you have confessed to some heavy shit, and have made some heavy threats,
          So you will pay a heavy price in the end,and just think, you were the one doing all the threatening, sure are quiet when the tables turn , just like all the other times, the Reporter and their staff have handed you your bare ass.  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Fart's mum
          Post by: mark babitz on August 24, 2010, 09:40:17 PM
          Quote from: "photo man"
          - Fart's mum -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:

           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:


          download/file.php?id=649 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/download/file.php?id=649)



                      "Photo Man " you are unbelievable, is that Farty and his Mom the day he lost his virginity,??
          She looks so proud of  ::puke::  Farty just humping away like his brothers and neighbors before him.They say his mom was the most giving person in the neighborhood, I think we all can see what she was giving, ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::

          But kindness comes in different ways, as Photo Man has once again shown us, and we thank you and, applaud your presentation of Farty's family photo's. I must say you and , Pile Of Shit have magic in your lenses.  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  Thanks again for the photo of the Farty klan. :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: whatever
          Post by: Eliscu2 on August 25, 2010, 12:41:16 AM
          :seg:
          Title: Re: Fart's mum
          Post by: mark babitz on August 25, 2010, 08:48:26 AM
          Quote from: "Eliscu2"
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "photo man"
          - Fart's mum -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:

           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:


          download/file.php?id=649 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/download/file.php?id=649)



                      "Photo Man " you are unbelievable, is that Farty and his Mom the day he lost his virginity,??
          She looks so proud of  ::puke::  Farty just humping away like his brothers and neighbors before him.They say his mom was the most giving person in the neighborhood, I think we all can see what she was giving, ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::

          But kindness comes in different ways, as Photo Man has once again shown us, and we thank you and, applaud your presentation of Farty's family photo's. I must say you and , Pile Of Shit have magic in your lenses.  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  Thanks again for the photo of the Farty klan. :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:

           ::deadhorse::  ::evil::
          ART IS AN OLD ASS UGLY LOSER WHO LIVES ON A SMALL POND WITH AN OLD BOAT...
           :poison: YOU SLAY ME MARK....FUCKIN FUNNY SHIT.
          BESIDES COMMING IN HERE TO RULE THE ELAN FORUM EMPIRE WITH OCTOLAME AND GETTING YOUR VERY OWN DRAMA BOX. :jerry:


           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  Farty her name is Felice,right. the one you had over for dinner right,?
          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          by mark babitz » 22 Aug 2010, 15:29

          liarsexposed wrote:
          Calling her every day, and stalking her with your bile and negativity.

          You really cant help yourself can you ? He who has been stalking me for 8 yrs ? Who are you kidding you putz. You really are mentally challenged. This could have ended YEARS ago. All you had to do was shut the fuck up. Stop the games,and the lies and slither back into that hole you came from.
          Lets be very clear
          If I were threatening you. You would be the 1st to know.
          As if you knew anything about Felice. Seems I remember,and if I had the time, I would find it, and post all the nice things you have said about Felice. You seriously need help Marky. You are getting worse every day
          the truth shall set you free asswipe



          I in fact had a falling out with Felice some time back, maybe two years ago. And that was my fault for responding to harshly and without feeling, but I in now way attack her, like you did Sharon nor ever threaten her. And did, in the end humbly apologized to her, and have stood by her side since.
          There is no mystery there Farty so don't try and make one up, I admit when I am wrong Farty, your not able to do that.

          And I will assume , that every time you tell me I am going to find out, or you will show me, as a threat, and I record you. So you have been busted out again Farty caught in a lie. About the troll thing, have you checked your screen name,?? You fucking phony hypocrite,or is liarsexposed your real name, I believe,that
          liar's would be, but the exposing part, isn't that for the young boy's you meet and the little girls,?


          I thought you were fishing in your chair boat, ?? http://www.bigfishtackle.com/photos/dat (http://www.bigfishtackle.com/photos/dat) ... s_boat.jpg

          I know you can't cast over the house in front of yours, remember Farty we all know were your shack is, and it's not on the water. The closet it gets to that,is when it floods in you back yard or the septic back up when you flush the toilet. Is the why you and " Eight Ball " shit in a bucket.?? Busted again Farty, you cant tell the truth can you, ?? and me being all the screen names on the site is your best lie, especially when we all see your insanity. But it adds to the fun and lie's of the farty.            


          Karma is not nice, is it Farty,??

          http://flabbybitch.files.wordpress.com/ (http://flabbybitch.files.wordpress.com/) ... g-butt.jpg


          Eight Ball is looking hot Farty. I bet that big bitch, can throw a punch, Someone said she looks allot like your Mom, Do you have any confessions about you and your Mommy Farty .??  


          What did you do to Felice Farty, ??  She doesn't seem very happy with you, looks like the clouds cleared and she got a good look at you, and screamed.
          No one wants your negative friendship , Didn't you think eventually she would wake up, and see you for who you are.No one want some pedophile and animal like you trying to control them,.Dont Shit your self and you and Eric have fun today and lets see who else comes to visit the Farty show today. You should pray that you don't keep losing your pretend friends.  


          Great post Felice and, thank you for joining in, Have a great day and those post about Sebago were cool, I will find some more. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker: .



          Oh sorry Farty  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::


          P.S.   As if you knew anything about Felice. Seems I remember,and if I had the knowledge, I would find it, and post all the nice things you have said about Felice. You seriously need help Marky. You are getting worse every day
          the truth shall set you free asswipe



           


          I know one thing about Felice, she doesn't like you, and has no respect.But then thats perfectly normal on her behalf, no one likes you Farty, your a predator and pedophile. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:



          download/file.php?id=649 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/download/file.php?id=649),  be good to Mommy and 8 Ball, how does Eric like this stuff,??. Does he still think it's funny,?? we will turn it up for him.


           download/file.php?id=643 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/download/file.php?id=643)  Nice pic of you.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 25, 2010, 09:02:51 AM
          Quit hiding Farty, and get off your knee's and cop to your guilt, you bag of shit. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Fart's mum
          Post by: Botched Programming on August 25, 2010, 09:42:38 AM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "photo man"
          - Fart's mum -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:

           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:


          download/file.php?id=649 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/download/file.php?id=649)



                      "Photo Man " you are unbelievable, is that Farty and his Mom the day he lost his virginity,??
          She looks so proud of  ::puke::  Farty just humping away like his brothers and neighbors before him.They say his mom was the most giving person in the neighborhood, I think we all can see what she was giving, ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::

          But kindness comes in different ways, as Photo Man has once again shown us, and we thank you and, applaud your presentation of Farty's family photo's. I must say you and , Pile Of Shit have magic in your lenses.  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  Thanks again for the photo of the Farty klan. :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:

          You are a sick man Mark.... Loved the photo... Made my skin crawl thinking about Arty and his mom !!!!!   :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 25, 2010, 09:57:36 AM
          Damn fArt your getting your ass roasted. :moon:  This is just way too funny! What do you have to say today about yourself, you cock sucker? :jamin:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 25, 2010, 10:20:13 AM
          I think you should seek psychiatric care Marky
          Still praying for you
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 25, 2010, 04:14:52 PM
          fArt when you pray, do you also pray for more dick?  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: Do you also pray for more chances to commit sex crimes against minors and not get caught?  :moon:  :moon:  :moon: How about including in your prayers that your God give you the courage to turn yourself in and confess to all the sex crimes against minors you have commited? :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 25, 2010, 06:28:04 PM
          I have no guilt Marky
          But you seem to struggle with the truth
          Bless you
          Title: Re: Fart's mum
          Post by: mark babitz on August 25, 2010, 09:15:27 PM
          Quote from: "Botched Programming"
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "photo man"
          - Fart's mum -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:

           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:


          download/file.php?id=649 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/download/file.php?id=649)



                      "Photo Man " you are unbelievable, is that Farty and his Mom the day he lost his virginity,??
          She looks so proud of  ::puke::  Farty just humping away like his brothers and neighbors before him.They say his mom was the most giving person in the neighborhood, I think we all can see what she was giving, ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::

          But kindness comes in different ways, as Photo Man has once again shown us, and we thank you and, applaud your presentation of Farty's family photo's. I must say you and , Pile Of Shit have magic in your lenses.  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  Thanks again for the photo of the Farty klan. :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:

          You are a sick man Mark.... Loved the photo... Made my skin crawl thinking about Arty and his mom !!!!!   :rofl:



                What part made your skin crawl, Farty naked, or his Mom,???  I think they are both disgusting  :cheers:  :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 25, 2010, 09:23:58 PM
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          fArt when you pray, do you also pray for more dick?  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: Do you also pray for more chances to commit sex crimes against minors and not get caught?  :moon:  :moon:  :moon: How about including in your prayers that your God give you the courage to turn yourself in and confess to all the sex crimes against minors you have commited? :cheers:


          Ya know Farty , God is in the forgiving business, I am not,nor anyone else here, maybe he might give you a break and listen to your confession, I think the Reporter brings up a good, and Christian point, Repent your vile sick sins and help your self,Cop to your guilt to God or what ever your higher power is, with the exception of  Pan face Marty K.   :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:



          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          I have no guilt Marky
          But you seem to struggle with the truth
          Bless you



          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          I think you should seek psychiatric care Marky
          Still praying for you
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 25, 2010, 09:42:47 PM
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7wCI95v ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7wCI95vXK8&feature=related)


          This how Farty gets ready for sex, I was told by a friend of 8 Ball's, Ya know you should suck her dick tonight.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 25, 2010, 09:49:29 PM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7wCI95vXK8&feature=related


          This how Farty gets ready for sex, I was told by a friend of 8 Ball's, Ya know you should suck her dick tonight.

          Oh and don,t shit the bed,.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 26, 2010, 09:35:35 AM
          Marky
          Still praying for you. Dont let a day go by that you dont advertise your apparent illness
          Makes me sad to think that you have nothing else but this
          Bless you
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 26, 2010, 12:07:35 PM
          fArt when you fucked your mother in the past, did you also lick your daddy's ball sac as he stood over you two and watched? :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 26, 2010, 08:30:39 PM
          fArt you shouldn't leave your back door open.  :roflmao:

          You're OWNED!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: photo man on August 26, 2010, 08:49:14 PM
          liarsexposed

          - Pull your head out of ..... -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 26, 2010, 09:04:22 PM
          Quote from: "photo man"
          liarsexposed

          - Pull your head out of ..... -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:

          Farty did you drop something important,??
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 26, 2010, 09:07:08 PM
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          fArt you shouldn't leave your back door open.  :roflmao:

          You're OWNED!


          He owns you bitch remember that, so pray for a new owner, because the " Reporter " Owns Fart, and hands is ass to him daily, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 26, 2010, 10:51:34 PM
          fArt must be busy sucking dick tonight. Dicks are the only things that would keep him from posting at fornits. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Botched Programming on August 26, 2010, 11:36:21 PM
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          fArt must be busy sucking dick tonight. Dicks are the only things that would keep him from posting at fornits. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:


          More like practicing docking...

          Urban dictionary definition

          Docking

          (1) The act of placing the head of ones penis inside the foreskin of another's penis.

          http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=docking (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=docking)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 27, 2010, 07:12:33 AM
          Quote from: "Botched Programming"
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          fArt must be busy sucking dick tonight. Dicks are the only things that would keep him from posting at fornits. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:


          More like practicing docking...

          Urban dictionary definition

          Docking

          (1) The act of placing the head of ones penis inside the foreskin of another's penis.

          http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=docking (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=docking)


          Hey Farty I got a new screen name," Botched Programming " isn't it funny how I just think those names up,? I started being Botched Programming in Feb 2005 and in May of the same year I became the " Reporter ",I can't recall all my names but I think they will ll show up eventually. :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:


          So pull that dick out of your mouth, and listen to what the Reporter say's, they own you,and you know it.


            P.S.              Don't shit all over Eric today while you laugh at yourself,  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 27, 2010, 07:41:07 AM
          Marky
          dont you think your mental illness,and foul mouth has caused enough trouble for you and others ?
          give it a rest and maybe you will feel better
          Would you share this bile of yours with a family member ?
          What would make a person fall to this level of yours ?
          Will pray again for you again/still
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 27, 2010, 07:55:28 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Marky
          dont you think your mental illness,and foul mouth has caused enough trouble for you and others ?
          give it a rest and maybe you will feel better
          Would you share this bile of yours with a family member ?
          What would make a person fall to this level of yours ?
          Will pray again for you again/still



          Your right Fart, but my other screen names just wont stop, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  I don't now how to make them be nice to you, I have even prayed like you, and they get worse.  I give up,!!  So I will comply with my other screen names, and keep bashing you. How can I fight against myself,?? And my other personalities sure are convincing, so why doubt them, ??
           :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:


          download/file.php?id=643 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/download/file.php?id=643)

          You will always be the internet bully and pedophile.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 27, 2010, 09:04:41 AM
          I am neither Marky.. and you know it
          This is just the only attention you can get out of your Mentally Handi-capped life
          Its very sad that you talk about yourself in the 3rd person
          50 yrs old and still this sick
          Now please sign in as the reporter or gary,or Joe Gerald,Jeff Cooper or whomever else you are gonna pretend to be today
          Bless you
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Botched Programming on August 27, 2010, 10:45:39 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Will pray again for you again/still

          Be careful what you pray for God may just decide to blast you with a lightning bolt for asking him to change people... If you actually pray for people make sure you pray for positive things in your life... I will pray that your sanity will return...

           :seg:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 27, 2010, 10:48:27 AM
          Easy Mark, you are easily confusing fArt to the point he might get frustrated and run out of his shack at Wonder Lake and abduct a grade schooler and repeatedly rape them. :o  fArt is that what you did with your daddy, DOCKING? ::puke:: Oh and just because you prayer to your God fArt, doesn't mean you can continue to commit sex crimes against minors. :timeout: You need to get  grip fella. I wish I could catch you commitiing a sex crime against a child, I would make sure you would never do it again! You are a sick fuck! You sick fucking bastard! Just because you are labeled "unattractive" to the opposite sex and fat and repulsive looking, it doesn't mean you turn to a child for your sexual needs. I sure hope you get what you have coming to you very soon. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 27, 2010, 11:01:40 AM
          LOL
          Thanks for making my point Marky
          Now sign in as Gary Stadler
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anne Bonney on August 27, 2010, 11:02:49 AM
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          Oh and just because you prayer to your God fArt, doesn't mean you can continue to commit sex crimes against minors. :timeout: You need to get  grip fella.


          I was just thinking about that.  And he was actually proud of it and bragged when confronted here about it.  Sick indeed.  ::puke::


          Art is a prime example of the famous quote....

          I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
          ~~Mohandas Gandhi
          Title: Fart (liarsexposed) smells another mans
          Post by: photo man on August 27, 2010, 11:04:04 AM
          - Fart (liarsexposed) smells another mans -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Botched Programming on August 27, 2010, 11:05:53 AM
          Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          Oh and just because you prayer to your God fArt, doesn't mean you can continue to commit sex crimes against minors. :timeout: You need to get  grip fella.


          I was just thinking about that.  And he was actually proud of it and bragged when confronted here about it.  Sick indeed.  ::puke::


          Art is a prime example of the famous quote....

          I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
          ~~Mohandas Gandhi
          [/i]


          You freaking rock Anne !!!!   :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Farts (liarsexposed) computer
          Post by: photo man on August 27, 2010, 11:06:51 AM
          - Farts (liarsexposed) computer  -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Botched Programming on August 27, 2010, 11:10:35 AM
          Quote from: "photo man"
          - Fart computer -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:


          That is just soooo freaking sick dude.... ROFLMAO.....  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Fart (liarsexposed) gets plowed by a giant
          Post by: photo man on August 27, 2010, 12:26:22 PM
          - Fart (liarsexposed) gets plowed by a giant -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:

           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 27, 2010, 02:36:55 PM
          Damn fArt.. Looks like you are getting ROASTED once again. :roflmao:  :roflmao: You keep praying to your God fArt, you should pray that he give you the courage to either snip off your little pecker or give you strength to  :suicide:  :tup:  :tup:
          In the mean time you can kindly go  :fuckoff: and go eat some more of 8 balls  ::fullofshit::  ::OMG:: You are a twisted shit eating sick fucker!
          Title: Re: Fart (liarsexposed) gets plowed by a giant.....
          Post by: mark babitz on August 27, 2010, 02:50:00 PM
          Quote from: "photo man"
          - Fart (liarsexposed) gets plowed by a giant..... -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:

           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:

          Thats the best Photo Man, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:


          http://www.fornits.com/wwf/download/file.php?id=674 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/download/file.php?id=674)

          You are every were, I told you my other screen names are out of control. :beat:  :beat:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :rofl:  :rofl:

          http://www.fornits.com/wwf/download/file.php?id=668 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/download/file.php?id=668)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 27, 2010, 02:58:27 PM
          Quote from: "Botched Programming"
          Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          Oh and just because you prayer to your God fArt, doesn't mean you can continue to commit sex crimes against minors. :timeout: You need to get  grip fella.


          I was just thinking about that.  And he was actually proud of it and bragged when confronted here about it.  Sick indeed.  ::puke::


          Art is a prime example of the famous quote....

          I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
          ~~Mohandas Gandhi
          [/i]


          I agree, but fart has fallen into this Christian thing all of a sudden, and I should say that,because it disrespects Christians, Fart is trying to use God as a shield to keep him safe from the truth, not understanding , God already knows, and is probably a little ticked at farty right now, and wishes he would repent,and cop to his guilt.


          Farty you are the Liar the got exposed, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:

          You freaking rock Anne !!!!   :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 27, 2010, 03:14:09 PM
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          Easy Mark, you are easily confusing fArt to the point he might get frustrated and run out of his shack at Wonder Lake and abduct a grade schooler and repeatedly rape them. :o  fArt is that what you did with your daddy, DOCKING? ::puke:: Oh and just because you prayer to your God fArt, doesn't mean you can continue to commit sex crimes against minors. :timeout: You need to get  grip fella. I wish I could catch you commitiing a sex crime against a child, I would make sure you would never do it again! You are a sick fuck! You sick fucking bastard! Just because you are labeled "unattractive" to the opposite sex and fat and repulsive looking, it doesn't mean you turn to a child for your sexual needs. I sure hope you get what you have coming to you very soon. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:



          I don't know if  I will confuse him, after all he thinks I am you and everyone else here, if he was to find out there were more than just me, he might jump from the boat chair, Or as you said, go on a mass pedophile rape spree.Start hanging out at the public parks and beaches. I too worry of the dangers, of the Fart with young girls and boys.

          P.S. It's 85 and sunny here in Chicago, whats the weather like at my other channel at your house " Reporter ",?? :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:


          I don't feel guilt for being blamed for others feeling about fart, you guy,s just put things into different words than just Fuck You Fart, As well you folks know how to have a good time, and still be helpful, and considerate of others and their feeling's, Fart not included, and thats your fault farty, for being such a bag of shit .I can't wait to see the rest of todays roast of the Farty. ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::
          Title: Fart (liarsexposed) cornhole player fail
          Post by: photo man on August 27, 2010, 03:24:04 PM
          - Fart (liarsexposed) cornhole player fail -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 27, 2010, 03:28:36 PM
          :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  How does Photo Man find all these great photo's of Farty at play,??

          I would start looking around Farty, Photo Man is following you around, :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  Great pic's like always Photo Man, Thanks, :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 27, 2010, 04:33:21 PM
          Everyone look at Marky Cheer himself on
          Today he is going to be gary stadler,marrk babitz,joe gerald,elan reporter,jeff cooper and anyone else I may have left out
          You really arent very smart Mark.. But you go ahead and keep spewing
          I think you'll be suprised at who is watching
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Pile of shit on August 27, 2010, 04:37:48 PM
          Art you look good in the picture ( viewtopic.php?f=22&t=29840&start=1350#p375735 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=29840&start=1350#p375735) ) on page 91.  The dildo going up your asshole was classic.  WOW!!! ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG:: ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anne Bonney on August 27, 2010, 04:40:10 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Everyone look at Marky Cheer himself on
          Today he is going to be gary stadler,marrk babitz,joe gerald,elan reporter,jeff cooper and anyone else I may have left out
          You really arent very smart Mark.. But you go ahead and keep spewing
          I think you'll be suprised at who is watching



          Awwww, poor Artie.  Are you still praying?  How's that working out for ya?  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Pile of shit on August 27, 2010, 04:43:05 PM
          Art is praying for a hot dog in his anus.  He will eat it after he pulls it out of his dirty hole.  Fart you're a sick man.  You need professional therapy. WOW!!!   ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::

           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Botched Programming on August 27, 2010, 05:02:40 PM
          Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
          Awwww, poor Artie.  Are you still praying?  How's that working out for ya?  :rofl:

             
          He seeks answers through prayer and medication !!!!!    But I think his dosage needs to be upped.. :rasta:  :rasta:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 27, 2010, 06:50:23 PM
          Tsk Tsk Tsk Marky
          Temper Temper
          This is about you. This is about you trying to hide being caught. This is about you stealing my personal things and posting them on 8 websites to harrass me. Ummmm what happened to every one of those sites as a result of this tantrum ? Can you tell us Marky ? Where are the other 7 websites ? Can you tell everyone what you did ?
          This is about you stalking me on the internet,and on my street.
          This is about threatening me with "50 bikers on my lawn"
          This is about your attempted harrassment of my Daughter,and "My son"
          I dont have a son btw
          This is about you sending me dangerous links with a worm attached
          This is about you lying about me every day. You seem to have the whole lifestyle of some sick perverted animal down pat. I I I wonder where someone would go to learn this kind of thing ?
          So this vast knowledge of gay,perverted,pedophilia based topics just come to you one night in a dream ?
          These are very desperate attempts to discredit me for whatever weapon you can dream up
          I say you just keep em comin.
          There are a few others stopping by to read this every day.
          You cannot actually be this stupid,or can you
          I feel very sorry fo you. 50 yrs old and this is what you are ? You are looking for some negative effect that you may have gotten from me in the past,but its no more Marky. The damage you invision doing,to me,is each day backfiring on you
          Believe me,dont believe me.. Stop...Dont stop.. I dont really care either way. But at some point,you should
          You are very pitiful
          Regards to gary,Jeff,Elan Reporter,Joe and whomever you decide to sign in as next
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 27, 2010, 06:51:30 PM
          He seeks answers through prayer and medication !!!!!    But I think his dosage needs to be upped.. :rasta:  :rasta:[/quote]
           
          No Question ! :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 27, 2010, 06:58:22 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Everyone look at Marky Cheer himself on
          Today he is going to be gary stadler,marrk babitz,joe gerald,elan reporter,jeff cooper and anyone else I may have left out
          You really arent very smart Mark.. But you go ahead and keep spewing
          I think you'll be suprised at who is watching

          Now thats the fart we all know, back to threatening, Did God tell you to get lost when you confessed your sins,?? I didn't tell you to admit to having sex with underage kids, you just had to get it out. Maybe you thought it would be cool or make you accepted, Wrong again farty, I think, you will be surprised at, who watching, and talking to you. Keep believing I am everyone on her and falsely accusing me, And see how far it takes you Shurlock, you are going to look like a much bigger ass than you could ever imagine, and we will all laugh at you.


          Your threats and bile are all over the internet, so you keep threatening Farty, I recomend you go back to praying to who ever your God is .As far as anything else, you speck with a paper ass farty, :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:




          Hey folks you got Farty fired up,he is trying to fight back,not doing a great job, but trying, I think God told him to get fucked. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:



          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Tsk Tsk Tsk Marky
          Temper Temper
          This is about you. This is about you trying to hide being caught. This is about you stealing my personal things and posting them on 8 websites to harrass me. Ummmm what happened to every one of those sites as a result of this tantrum ? Can you tell us Marky ? Where are the other 7 websites ? Can you tell everyone what you did ?
          This is about you stalking me on the internet,and on my street.
          This is about threatening me with "50 bikers on my lawn"
          This is about your attempted harrassment of my Daughter,and "My son"
          I dont have a son btw
          This is about you sending me dangerous links with a worm attached
          This is about you lying about me every day. You seem to have the whole lifestyle of some sick perverted animal down pat. I I I wonder where someone would go to learn this kind of thing ?
          So this vast knowledge of gay,perverted,pedophilia based topics just come to you one night in a dream ?
          These are very desperate attempts to discredit me for whatever weapon you can dream up
          I say you just keep em comin.
          There are a few others stopping by to read this every day.
          You cannot actually be this stupid,or can you
          I feel very sorry fo you. 50 yrs old and this is what you are ? You are looking for some negative effect that you may have gotten from me in the past,but its no more Marky. The damage you invision doing,to me,is each day backfiring on you
          Believe me,dont believe me.. Stop...Dont stop.. I dont really care either way. But at some point,you should
          You are very pitiful
          Regards to gary,Jeff,Elan Reporter,Joe and whomever you decide to sign in as next
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Pile of shit on August 27, 2010, 07:01:50 PM
          -
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 27, 2010, 07:02:10 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          He seeks answers through prayer and medication !!!!!    But I think his dosage needs to be upped.. :rasta:  :rasta:

          No Question ! :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:[/quote]


          Cop to your guilt farty or go away and leave everyone alone, :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anne Bonney on August 27, 2010, 07:03:41 PM
          So, the prayer and meditation isn't working out so well then huh?


          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Tsk Tsk Tsk Marky
          Temper Temper
          This is about you. This is about you trying to hide being caught. This is about you stealing my personal things and posting them on 8 websites to harrass me. Ummmm what happened to every one of those sites as a result of this tantrum ? Can you tell us Marky ? Where are the other 7 websites ? Can you tell everyone what you did ?
          This is about you stalking me on the internet,and on my street.
          This is about threatening me with "50 bikers on my lawn"
          This is about your attempted harrassment of my Daughter,and "My son"
          I dont have a son btw
          This is about you sending me dangerous links with a worm attached
          This is about you lying about me every day. You seem to have the whole lifestyle of some sick perverted animal down pat. I I I wonder where someone would go to learn this kind of thing ?
          So this vast knowledge of gay,perverted,pedophilia based topics just come to you one night in a dream ?
          These are very desperate attempts to discredit me for whatever weapon you can dream up
          I say you just keep em comin.
          There are a few others stopping by to read this every day.
          You cannot actually be this stupid,or can you
          I feel very sorry fo you. 50 yrs old and this is what you are ? You are looking for some negative effect that you may have gotten from me in the past,but its no more Marky. The damage you invision doing,to me,is each day backfiring on you
          Believe me,dont believe me.. Stop...Dont stop.. I dont really care either way. But at some point,you should
          You are very pitiful
          Regards to gary,Jeff,Elan Reporter,Joe and whomever you decide to sign in as next
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 27, 2010, 07:07:23 PM
          Quote from: "Pile of shit"
          Fart you are a potty mouth.  Listen here.  Mark is your master.  He says jump and you respond, "How high?"  WOW!!!

          There goes my other personality again, and they are right, my personality the " Reporter " OWNS YOU FARTY !!!!,. :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  ::puke::


          Oh here comes my " Anne " personality,




          Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
          So, the prayer and meditation isn't working out so well then huh?


          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Tsk Tsk Tsk Marky
          Temper Temper
          This is about you. This is about you trying to hide being caught. This is about you stealing my personal things and posting them on 8 websites to harrass me. Ummmm what happened to every one of those sites as a result of this tantrum ? Can you tell us Marky ? Where are the other 7 websites ? Can you tell everyone what you did ?
          This is about you stalking me on the internet,and on my street.
          This is about threatening me with "50 bikers on my lawn"
          This is about your attempted harrassment of my Daughter,and "My son"
          I dont have a son btw
          This is about you sending me dangerous links with a worm attached
          This is about you lying about me every day. You seem to have the whole lifestyle of some sick perverted animal down pat. I I I wonder where someone would go to learn this kind of thing ?
          So this vast knowledge of gay,perverted,pedophilia based topics just come to you one night in a dream ?
          These are very desperate attempts to discredit me for whatever weapon you can dream up
          I say you just keep em comin.
          There are a few others stopping by to read this every day.
          You cannot actually be this stupid,or can you
          I feel very sorry fo you. 50 yrs old and this is what you are ? You are looking for some negative effect that you may have gotten from me in the past,but its no more Marky. The damage you invision doing,to me,is each day backfiring on you
          Believe me,dont believe me.. Stop...Dont stop.. I dont really care either way. But at some point,you should
          You are very pitiful
          Regards to gary,Jeff,Elan Reporter,Joe and whomever you decide to sign in as next


          There is no salvation in DRUGS, you must turn to God,or your higher power, not Pan Face Marty eather.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anne Bonney on August 27, 2010, 07:11:46 PM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"

          There is no salvation in DRUGS,

          Well, let's not get too hasty here.   :seg:   I've found plenty of salvation in the Great Ganja! :rasta:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 27, 2010, 07:15:13 PM
          Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
          Quote from: "mark babitz"

          There is no salvation in DRUGS,

          Well, let's not get too hasty here.   :seg:   I've found plenty of salvation in the Great Ganja! :rasta:
           

          Yes I must agree you are right, :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:


          :cheers:  :cheers:   Isn't it amazing how I can fire back like this Farty, with all my names and different I.P. addresses form all over the country,at close to the same time, my computer has infinite speed and browsing capabilities, ?? I am a regular  Bill fucking Gates,. You stupid ass hole, :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  Don't you like the Farty Roast,??  it is all about you. I am going out to eat for a few hours, I will leave my computer on auto attack For farty, :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Pile of shit on August 27, 2010, 07:35:17 PM
          Fart cock walk down to your local auto parts store, buy some motor oil, drink it and consume a six pack of beer.  We won't tell.  WOW!!!

           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Botched Programming on August 27, 2010, 07:59:35 PM
          Quote from: "Anne Bonney"

          Well, let's not get too hasty here.   :seg:   I've found plenty of salvation in the Great Ganja! :rasta:


          You are preaching to the choir Anne... Salvation, inspiration, motivation, and clarification !!!!

           :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta: :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta: :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta: :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta: :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta: :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 27, 2010, 08:22:19 PM
          Oh here we go with fArt's classic cryptic threats. Surprised who's watching? Hmmm? I sure hope it's not some poor under age neighborhood child who you kidnapped and duct taped to your removable boat chair!

          Mark whats fArt talking about 50 bikers on his lawn? I don't know about the bikers in Chicago, but the bikers here would not just hang on fArt's lawn, they would drag his sorry ass behind their bikes right after they beat the living crap out of him for molestation of a child. :rocker:  :rocker:

          Hey fArt look at this..... :twofinger:  :fuckoff:  :twofinger:  :fuckoff:  :twofinger:  :fuckoff:  :twofinger: ..Go fuck yourself with a toilet plunger you stupid fuck! I guess seeing it is soon to be the weekend, fArt will post about having friends over for a bbq this weekend and what fArt really means is he will be eating a turd hot dog with pubic hair trimmings with a squirt of cum all over it..YUM! Shit eating, alcoholic child molestors I have no mercy for. You made your bed a long time ago fArt and I will see to it that you lie in it. :poison: You the scum that clings to the bottom of a barrel with stagnant water in it that sits in the sun all day. Giving you a daily roast is only a small dose for your troubles that you have caused many people here at fornits. I will make you skull fuck your mother for giving borth to such a sick, disgusting, vile peice of fucking monkey shit!

           :suicide: Arthur Warshawsky  :suicide:  is the only way out of your misery fella. Your prayers are not being listened to, your God has long turned his back on you fella. :beat:

          Only an idiot would allow a worm to infect his computer. You sure this worm you are talking about is not the tape worm that is consuming your organs? :moon:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Pile of shit on August 27, 2010, 08:32:12 PM
          Fart when the BBQ is hot, stuff an apple in your mouth, lay on the BBQ, shut the lid, bake for 30 minutes and feed baked fart to pet dogs.  WOW!!!


           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 27, 2010, 08:35:57 PM
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          Oh here we go with fArt's classic cryptic threats. Surprised who's watching? Hmmm? I sure hope it's not some poor under age neighborhood child who you kidnapped and duct taped to your removable boat chair!

          Mark whats fArt talking about 50 bikers on his lawn? I don't know about the bikers in Chicago, but the bikers here would not just hang on fArt's lawn, they would drag his sorry ass behind their bikes right after they beat the living crap out of him for molestation of a child. :rocker:  :rocker:

          Hey fArt look at this..... :twofinger:  :fuckoff:  :twofinger:  :fuckoff:  :twofinger:  :fuckoff:  :twofinger: ..Go fuck yourself with a toilet plunger you stupid fuck! I guess seeing it is soon to be the weekend, fArt will post about having friends over for a bbq this weekend and what fArt really means is he will be eating a turd hot dog with pubic hair trimmings with a squirt of cum all over it..YUM! Shit eating, alcoholic child molestors I have no mercy for. You made your bed a long time ago fArt and I will see to it that you lie in it. :poison: You the scum that clings to the bottom of a barrel with stagnant water in it that sits in the sun all day. Giving you a daily roast is only a small dose for your troubles that you have caused many people here at fornits. I will make you skull fuck your mother for giving borth to such a sick, disgusting, vile peice of fucking monkey shit!

           :suicide: Arthur Warshawsky  :suicide:  is the only way out of your misery fella. Your prayers are not being listened to, your God has long turned his back on you fella. :beat:

          Only an idiot would allow a worm to infect his computer. You sure this worm you are talking about is not the tape worm that is consuming your organs? :moon:


          First the bikers would rape him with a ball bat and then drag him from the scooter, Reporter . If Fart had 50 bikers in his yard that means he molested one of their kids and it's payback. ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 27, 2010, 08:41:35 PM
          Quote from: "Pile of shit"
          Fart when the BBQ is hot, stuff an apple in your mouth, lay on the BBQ, shut the lid, bake for 30 minutes and feed baked fart to pet dogs.  WOW!!!


           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:



          Does he use the" Fucking Machine," Photo Man posted,     download/file.php?id=674 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/download/file.php?id=674)   to get his ass loosened up for the spit to go threw easier,?? And maybe pack it with apples or some oranges,??.  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Botched Programming on August 27, 2010, 08:54:39 PM
          Found out he gave the old rusty trombone to a few people while he was on staff..

          Urban Dictionary definition:

          Rusty Trombone

          (1) The act of performing anal cunnilingus while reaching up above the testicles to manually administer quick up and down motions to the penile shaft; resulting in a violent yet pleasant explosion. It is then customary for the female to then give a quick blow into the anus for good luck, the lips blowing into the anus sounds very similar to a trombones sweet melody. This was introduced to the Americas in the late 50's.

          (http://http://media.photobucket.com/image/rusty%20trombone/sinceshortbus/DSCN0094.jpg)
          Title: art warshawsky (liarsexposed) "lady friend"
          Post by: photo man on August 27, 2010, 08:56:48 PM
          - art warshawsky (liarsexposed) "lady friend" -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: art warshawsky (liarsexposed) "lady friend"
          Post by: mark babitz on August 27, 2010, 11:29:53 PM
          Quote from: "photo man"
          - art warshawsky (liarsexposed) "lady friend" -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:

          No Thats His Sister, :rofl:  :rofl:  ::puke::

          download/file.php?id=677 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/download/file.php?id=677)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 27, 2010, 11:32:25 PM
          Quote from: "Botched Programming"
          Found out he gave the old rusty trombone to a few people while he was on staff..

          Urban Dictionary definition:

          Rusty Trombone

          (1) The act of performing anal cunnilingus while reaching up above the testicles to manually administer quick up and down motions to the penile shaft; resulting in a violent yet pleasant explosion. It is then customary for the female to then give a quick blow into the anus for good luck, the lips blowing into the anus sounds very similar to a trombones sweet melody. This was introduced to the Americas in the late 50's.

          (http://http://media.photobucket.com/image/rusty%20trombone/sinceshortbus/DSCN0094.jpg)


          You are probably right , Farty loves to blow his horn around here,
          Title: art warshawsky (liarsexposed) bed
          Post by: photo man on August 27, 2010, 11:38:25 PM
          - art warshawsky (liarsexposed) bed -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 27, 2010, 11:44:25 PM
          Believe it or not Farty there has been 42 post and, 302 views just today on this thread, and we pick up almost one a day to fight against your sickness and molestation confessions. Your a very sick person Farty and need and will be provided with help. I know this is the weekend,and you will be having guest's over, as the Reporter mentioned, so we will make sure to turn the volume up for you, and your friends, Please don't shit your self Tough Guy,  download/file.php?id=643 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/download/file.php?id=643),
          Title: Re: art warshawsky (liarsexposed) bed
          Post by: mark babitz on August 27, 2010, 11:48:14 PM
          Quote from: "photo man"
          - art warshawsky (liarsexposed) bed -  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:

           
          And defiantly, don't shit the bed, think of " 8 Ball "  laying next to your fat naked ass,  ::puke::    download/file.php?id=678 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/download/file.php?id=678)    that I might say the " Reporter " OWNS !!!!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 28, 2010, 07:04:03 AM
          Oh Marky
          You've already been beaten. The game is over
          Of the 42 posts on this thread, I am guessing most of them are you,agreeing with yourself.
          You have a horrible illness,in addition to being caught
          This is what little boys do when they are caught lying
          Tho I never expected a 50 yr old man to throw this kind of tantrum,and for this long
          I am truly sorry for your pain
          You are SO spun out,its pathetic. I am afraid you will have a heart attack or a stroke. The angry, nasty posts, just make my point over and over.
          Dont worry Marky. One day you will look back on this and see it for what it is
          Pathetic
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 28, 2010, 08:18:04 AM
          Quote from: liarsexposed
          Oh Marky
          You've already been beaten. The game is over

          You have a horrible illness,in addition to being caught
          This is what little boys do when they are caught lying


          Well, we know, you know your young boys, I don't like being compared to one,by you, it feels creepy and like a pedophile is watching me, Your probably waiting for your weekend guest right now but don't forget we are all here waiting for you too. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 28, 2010, 09:00:11 AM
          Marky
          You seeem to have a "thing" for little boys and sexual connotations.
          Can you tell us about that
          You are WAYYY too informed about this kind of behavior
          Personally I find it kinda gross
          There... Now you have some more attention ??
          All better now Punkin ?
          Time for some of your other screen names to come out and agree with you
          Kinda sad that this is all you have in the world
          Hate / Bile
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 28, 2010, 09:38:04 AM
          Quote from: liarsexposed
          Marky
          You seeem to have a "thing" for little boys and sexual connotations.
          Can you tell us about that
          You are WAYYY too informed about this kind of behavior
          Personally I find it kinda gross



          Hey stupid, number one I can read your post,just like everyone else here and you admitted and bragged and laugh about having sex with under age kids, remember,??
           



                                    :beat:  :beat:  Think hard Farty and read your words.  :beat:  :beat:




          liarsexposed wrote:
          I was born in 1963 Sharon

          There are no charges or even an accusation of the molestations you are making up. Its only a suggestion Marky,but think hard about how,and where you want to go with this.

          Thats all I will say about it. Create your own destiny

          Sharon.. you got nothing but rhetoric..bullshit..and personal insanity.Yup I gave you the high hard one. Then I left. Its 25 years ago. Is the pain still too much to bear ? See a shrink. No more explanations .. no more excuses

          You only want to find(and use) whatever you can (EVEN IF ITS A LIE) as a weapon

          Well lady (loose terminology) you have failed again. You must be used to failure. Thus far thats all you have shown every one.
          Go hug your children.. You'll feel better.


          Read your post Farty and answer Anne question on teen age girls you sick fuck. Dont shit yourself and go to hell Farty.

          As far as your condolences Sharon asked at the hospital not to hear from or talk to you she said and I believe her and totally understand. You are top on her list and Tim's Daughter of people they hate.           You are subhuman and it's well seen. Answer Anne question now, you are being asked per your request, [ "If someone wants to know something about Art,they may ask me. But I dont play troll " ]


          As far as trolls check your screen name stupid, calling the kettle black, ass hole
          mark babitz
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          by Anne Bonney » 05 Aug 2010, 15:05

          liarsexposed wrote:
          Hey Anne.. as usual.. You got nothing. Just another Fornits troll. Find someone that WANTS to engage you in some form
          I am not interested


          I bet you're not interested. That's a pretty fucked up thing to do, let alone admit to like you're proud of it. Too bad the statute of limitations has run out. That's statutory rape, dickhead.



          viewtopic.php?f=22&t=29840&start=885

          liarsexposed wrote:
          I was born in 1963 Sharon

          There are no charges or even an accusation of the molestations you are making up. Its only a suggestion Marky,but think hard about how,and where you want to go with this.

          Thats all I will say about it. Create your own destiny

          Sharon.. you got nothing but rhetoric..bullshit..and personal insanity. Yup I gave you the high hard one. Then I left. Its 25 years ago. Is the pain still too much to bear ? See a shrink. No more explanations .. no more excuses

          You only want to find(and use) whatever you can (EVEN IF ITS A LIE) as a weapon

          Well lady (loose terminology) you have failed again. You must be used to failure. Thus far thats all you have shown every one.
          Go hug your children.. You'll feel better


          You are very sick and disturbed Farty, and it all comes out in the wash. No need to try , and shift your sicknesses on someone else, I have never had sex with someone under age, except when I was under age too. That means when I first got laid at 14, she was actually 16, I have never had sex with a girl that was younger than me,nor have I ever tried it with boys like you Farty, not that being Gay is wrong, it's just not for me. All that being said, I don't know what drives a predator like you, nor do I have common thoughts like you Farty, but when your on the run, you need help, I understand, but I am not the one to help you .Only God, and the courts can help you. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 28, 2010, 10:00:18 AM
          :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  Come on Farty, I see you on here watching your ass get passed around, go ahead and respond,you bag of shit, :karma:  :karma:  :karma:



          And here comes Farty in the Boat Chair,you are so tough,


           download/file.php?id=643 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/download/file.php?id=643)


          Are you serving your special chicken to your guest,with the secret sauce,??


          http://lolokaust.com/guides/animal%20gu ... fucker.png (http://lolokaust.com/guides/animal%20guide/chicken_fucker.png)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 28, 2010, 10:10:43 AM
          What happened Farty, I caught you on the site, and you don't know how I did it, ha, ha. :cheers:  :rofl:  :cheers: , Your words are closely monitored Farty, you are not so stealth, definitely not svelte, Fat Ass, ::puke::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 28, 2010, 10:16:19 AM
          Hey Marky
          Call the Police.. Call the Mayor.. Call Sharon
          Nobody cares but you. Its the only weapon you have. I have done nothing to you. In fact I have never even met you
          On the other hand
          You have broken the law repeatedly,numorous times since Jan. Have all the documents needed. You did it to yourself. You continue to make it worse on yourself...and when the time comes. I am going to take out the trash (you)
          Obviously you have not read the Illinois Cyber Crime laws as it applies to your crimes
          Your previous web hosts, have been very helpful and at that time you were not disguising your IP, as you are now.
          You know whats coming.
          You will be forced to leave your basement and defend yourself.
          Keep posting this nonsense..  
          Just a few more I's to dot and T's to cross
          See you soon
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 28, 2010, 10:35:27 AM
          You just don't know what to say, do you Farty, your starting to relies, that it's not just me, but many others on here, and they wont give up, until you " Cop To Your Guilt "  and get help, :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:,  



           And thanks for coming to our BBQ, we are serving { Fart Chicken }, your favorite. ::puke::  ::puke::
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"




          Hey Marky
          Call the Police.. Call the Mayor.. Call Sharon
          Nobody cares but you. Its the only weapon you have. I have done nothing to you. In fact I have never even met you
          On the other hand
          You have broken the law repeatedly,numorous times since Jan. Have all the documents needed. You did it to yourself. You continue to make it worse on yourself...and when the time comes. I am going to take out the trash (you)
          Obviously you have not read the Illinois Cyber Crime laws as it applies to your crimes
          Your previous web hosts, have been very helpful and at that time you were not disguising your IP, as you are now.
          You know whats coming.
          You will be forced to leave your basement and defend yourself.
          Keep posting this nonsense..  
          Just a few more I's to dot and T's to cross
          See you soon


          Oh stop, the " Reporter " has already exposed you for those lie's, and I am sure your legal counsel directs you to pray for me and seek out negativity, :beat:  :rasta:  :roflmao: I bet they said don't stay away confront him as much as possible, And you trolling in here, under fake screen names, doesn't add to your credibility much, nor your confessions to under age sex and threats. Your a fraud, and I see you can't do anything but try threats, Instead of just going away, you continue to come back and antagonist people, Any real legal counsel would advise against any contact here,. But you think we are all dummies,think about cyber law, and think of all the things you have said and provoked, Your an IDIOT,


          The best, is when it would come out, if it ever came out, the fact , I am not all the screen names you accuse me of, and even better, who those folks really are, Prepare for a good cry  Farty, allot of them know you better than you think, and have met you in person. Paranoid,?? I would be, because you just don't understand the battle you started and who you started it with and how many support, you going to jail for your crimes and confessions on the World Wide Web.  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:



          P.S. Don't Shit Your Thong, and be nice to 8 Ball today, I heard she had a guy coming over, to put another Tramp Stamp on your lower back side. Will it say    " Property Of The " Reporter " stay out and Caution Keep Hand Free, Dispose Of Only Sharp Objects Into Hole, And don't Pet or Feed the Fat Man,??,  After all the " Reporter " OWNS YOU FARTY,  and you can't take it, He says fart, and you say how loud, ??
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 28, 2010, 10:37:27 AM
          Between You and Jeff Cooper
            December 30, 2009 at 2:05pm
          OK LOOK IT ENDS NOW GOT IT   Art Warshawsky December 30, 2009 at 2:23pm
          Too late.. You may read about it in the newspaper or on a court docket
          I gave plenty of opportunity. Enough is enough... Now you deal with my attorney
          Each person who messages me will be blocked
          See ya in court   December 30, 2009 at 2:25pm
          OH PLEASE DUDE I BUY AUTO PARTS FROM YOU FOR YEARS I KNOW WHO YOU ARE WIND BAG
           
           
          Funny how cooperative Facebook has been
          Check-Mate
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 28, 2010, 10:43:25 AM
          December 30, 2009 at 9:31am
          Hi Arty just talk to Sharon and she said you had objections to your photo. Is there bad light in the pic, you look great. Sharon said your and old friend and I remember you from Elan so no harm no foul. Keep the photos coming Bro. You look great and please join eather one of our sites. I thank Tim & Sharon for being great partners and friends. thanks for posting on our site. Peace Love Mark
             Art Warshawsky December 30, 2009 at 9:44am
          I dont know who you are. I dont care to participate in yoru web forum,and I would like my pics removed.
           
          Your web host states your IP is the one that uploaded my stolen pics...Ooops
           
          You remember me from Elan ? Funny ...Another famous Babitz Lie.. You were there in 75
          I was there in 78
          You have never met me
          But you will Marky
          Hey I gotta go.. Lots to do and you are boring
          Try to get out of the house today Mark. Its gonne be a nice day
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Botched Programming on August 28, 2010, 10:50:00 AM
          Arty... Quit being balltuitous...

          Balltuitous

           Verb-Being one who licks the piece of skin that connects your anus to your scrotum.Also known as a taint scraper

          I personally like to describe particularly people who I don't like or a chick that's being bitchy.

          Although the act is common in sexual relations I prefer to use it for describing idiotic people

          Also known as a taint scraper.A taint is the skin that connects your anus to your ball-sack.  :seg:
          http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... id=5184285 (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=balltuitous&defid=5184285)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 28, 2010, 10:52:14 AM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          You just don't know what to say, do you Farty, your starting to relies, that it's not just me, but many others on here, and they wont give up, until you " Cop To Your Guilt "  and get help, :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:,  



           And thanks for coming to our BBQ, we are serving { Fart Chicken }, your favorite. ::puke::  ::puke::
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"




          Hey Marky
          Call the Police.. Call the Mayor.. Call Sharon
          Nobody cares but you. Its the only weapon you have. I have done nothing to you. In fact I have never even met you
          On the other hand
          You have broken the law repeatedly,numorous times since Jan. Have all the documents needed. You did it to yourself. You continue to make it worse on yourself...and when the time comes. I am going to take out the trash (you)
          Obviously you have not read the Illinois Cyber Crime laws as it applies to your crimes
          Your previous web hosts, have been very helpful and at that time you were not disguising your IP, as you are now.
          You know whats coming.
          You will be forced to leave your basement and defend yourself.
          Keep posting this nonsense..  
          Just a few more I's to dot and T's to cross
          See you soon


          Oh stop, the " Reporter " has already exposed you for those lie's, and I am sure your legal counsel directs you to pray for me and seek out negativity, :beat:  :rasta:  :roflmao: I bet they said don't stay away confront him as much as possible, And you trolling in here, under fake screen names, doesn't add to your credibility much, nor your confessions to under age sex and threats. Your a fraud, and I see you can't do anything but try threats, Instead of just going away, you continue to come back and antagonist people, Any real legal counsel would advise against any contact here,. But you think we are all dummies,think about cyber law, and think of all the things you have said and provoked, Your an IDIOT,


          The best, is when it would come out, if it ever came out, the fact , I am not all the screen names you accuse me of, and even better, who those folks really are, Prepare for a good cry  Farty, allot of them know you better than you think, and have met you in person. Paranoid,?? I would be, because you just don't understand the battle you started and who you started it with and how many support, you going to jail for your crimes and confessions on the World Wide Web.  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:



          P.S. Don't Shit Your Thong, and be nice to 8 Ball today, I heard she had a guy coming over, to put another Tramp Stamp on your lower back side. Will it say    " Property Of The " Reporter " stay out and Caution Keep Hand Free, Dispose Of Only Sharp Objects Into Hole, And don't Pet or Feed the Fat Man,??,  After all the " Reporter " OWNS YOU FARTY,  and you can't take it, He says fart, and you say how loud, ??




          Your so witty, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  Does this mean your signing off for good,?? :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :jerry:  :jerry:  :jerry:  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  :flip:  :flip:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :cheers:  :cheers:



          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          by liarsexposed » 9 minutes ago

          Between You and Jeff Cooper
          December 30, 2009 at 2:05pm
          OK LOOK IT ENDS NOW GOT IT Art Warshawsky December 30, 2009 at 2:23pm
          Too late.. You may read about it in the newspaper or on a court docket
          I gave plenty of opportunity. Enough is enough... Now you deal with my attorney
          Each person who messages me will be blocked
          See ya in court December 30, 2009 at 2:25pm
          OH PLEASE DUDE I BUY AUTO PARTS FROM YOU FOR YEARS I KNOW WHO YOU ARE WIND BAG


          Funny how cooperative Facebook has been
          Check-Mate
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          by liarsexposed » 3 minutes ago

          December 30, 2009 at 9:31am
          Hi Arty just talk to Sharon and she said you had objections to your photo. Is there bad light in the pic, you look great. Sharon said your and old friend and I remember you from Elan so no harm no foul. Keep the photos coming Bro. You look great and please join eather one of our sites. I thank Tim & Sharon for being great partners and friends. thanks for posting on our site. Peace Love Mark
          Art Warshawsky December 30, 2009 at 9:44am
          I dont know who you are. I dont care to participate in yoru web forum,and I would like my pics removed.

          Your web host states your IP is the one that uploaded my stolen pics...Ooops

          You remember me from Elan ? Funny ...Another famous Babitz Lie.. You were there in 75
          I was there in 78
          You have never met me
          But you will Marky
          Hey I gotta go.. Lots to do and you are boring
          Try to get out of the house today Mark. Its gonne be a nice day





          Quote from: "Botched Programming"
          Arty... Quit being balltuitous...

          Balltuitous

           Verb-Being one who licks the piece of skin that connects your anus to your scrotum.Also known as a taint scraper

          I personally like to describe particularly people who I don't like or a chick that's being bitchy.

          Although the act is common in sexual relations I prefer to use it for describing idiotic people

          Also known as a taint scraper.A taint is the skin that connects your anus to your ball-sack.  :seg:
          http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... id=5184285 (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=balltuitous&defid=5184285)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 28, 2010, 06:18:14 PM
          Marky
          thats the best part
          I dont need an attorney. I am not sueing you .. yet
          Perhaps after you have been convicted of the crimes you have committed maybe
          I havent decided yet
          Take your meds.. It may be the only defense you have
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Botched Programming on August 28, 2010, 06:29:03 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Marky
          thats the best part
          I dont need an attorney. I am not sueing you .. yet
          Perhaps after you have been convicted of the crimes you have committed maybe
          I havent decided yet
          Take your meds.. It may be the only defense you have


          For the love of God Arty... How many years have you made this same idle threat... You have nothing and are going to do nothing,,
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 28, 2010, 06:29:58 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Marky
          thats the best part
          I dont need an attorney. I am not sueing you .. yet
          Perhaps after you have been convicted of the crimes you have committed maybe
          I havent decided yet
          Take your meds.. It may be the only defense you have


          Well I guess your last threat didn't mean you were going away, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 28, 2010, 06:38:46 PM
          Quote from: "Botched Programming"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Marky
          thats the best part
          I dont need an attorney. I am not sueing you .. yet
          Perhaps after you have been convicted of the crimes you have committed maybe
          I havent decided yet
          Take your meds.. It may be the only defense you have


          For the love of God Arty... How many years have you made this same idle threat... You have nothing and are going to do nothing,,



          Oh know caught again in a lie,?? We all know you Farty, you pedophile, and know one is afraid of you and your threats, can't you see by how we moch you, and laugh at your dribble, and always bust you in lie's,??


          Your a bag of shit Farty and you know it, for some reason, you like to act like the victim, but your the predator and abuser, and your own words have convicted you Farty,You can't hide from the truth, and you will face it, if the courts have to drag it out of you, sick fuck,.  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 28, 2010, 08:10:41 PM
          marky
          you sound like the reporter
          wonder why
          hows my pal gary.
          playing with joe and jeff
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 28, 2010, 09:24:05 PM
          Looks like fArt is running in circles once again, now he's starting in with the make believe cyber prosecution threats like he did 5 years ago. Funny thing was is that fArt used the same threat on me and I still have not received any court docket summons yet.  :roflmao:  :roflmao: Such a stupid man you are fella. Do you actually think your repetative threat will work 5 years later?  :roflmao:  :roflmao: Dumb fucking pedophile! Go suck another under age dick or 3. :roflmao: It's the weekend fArt, where is the repeative bbq with friends posts you always make? Oh no..you didn't happen to finally realize you have no friends did you?  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: The Wonder Lake pedophile fArt Wartshitsky  :waaaa: is getting his ass ROASTED big time! Unlike you fArt, I had friends and family over today for a bbq, sorry but I was too busy to hand you your ass today, as I was really busy today! But here's a  :twofinger: salute to you fella! And a  :fuckoff: for ya fella. No go fuck 8 ball in HIS asshole and get HIS shit all over your dick and use your hand to wipe your dick off, then lick your hand clean you shit eating, over weight fat pedophile bastard! And please dop continue to commit sex crimes against minors so that you will get arrested and sent to prison, where the inmates can then grab you in your cell and kick the ever living shit at of ya fella.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 28, 2010, 09:29:00 PM
          Ahhh right on time
          Very Predictable Marky
          I dont need to speak like a barbaric juvemile delingquent.
          Here at Fornits we have you for this
          Who will he pretend to be next
          You should write a book Marky
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          Post by: mark babitz on August 28, 2010, 11:13:10 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Ahhh right on time
          Very Predictable Marky
          I dont need to speak like a barbaric juvemile delingquent.
          Here at Fornits we have you for this
          Who will he pretend to be next
          You should write a book Marky


          As I have said " Reporter "  The joke is truly on him, And the only ones out here that can appreciate it is us,            :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rofl:  :rofl: ,  Farty really thinks your me and I have been around chasing after  him all these years, :lala:  :lala: , The best is he thinks I am half of the others too, I wish he was telling the truth about taking me and all my names to court, What a Back Fire that would be, even worse , is when all of his post would come to light, and the confessions to sex with under age girls.etc,

           
          Dont Shit The Bed Farty and, Rub 8 Ball's " Scrotum " for him tonight, :rocker:  :rocker:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 28, 2010, 11:28:19 PM
          :notworthy:  :notworthy: { THE WORDS OF THE GREAT FARTY }  :notworthy:  :notworthy:


          Some of the " Great Farty's " memory fades from time to time, so repost are nice to refresh him and everyone around, Be non of us to think Farty is echoing, when in fact he is repeating himself again, As the " Reporter " my ultra ego, has said about the Fart, and how he just goes back and forth with the same bile and threats.


          I just wish he would Cop To His Guilt and leave kids alone, Maybe my " Photo Man "  personality can find something to encourage him, :cheers:  :cheers:  Happy Reading Farty,

          P.S. I had plenty of time on my hands tonight, :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:



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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Ahhh right on time
          Very Predictable Marky
          I dont need to speak like a barbaric juvemile delingquent.
          Here at Fornits we have you for this
          Who will he pretend to be next
          You should write a book Marky
          by liarsexposed
          Today, 02:29
           
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          marky
          you sound like the reporter
          wonder why
          hows my pal gary.
          playing with joe and jeff
          by liarsexposed
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          Marky
          thats the best part
          I dont need an attorney. I am not sueing you .. yet
          Perhaps after you have been convicted of the crimes you have committed maybe
          I havent decided yet
          Take your meds.. It may be the only defense you have
          by liarsexposed
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          December 30, 2009 at 9:31am Hi Arty just talk to Sharon and she said you had objections to your photo. Is there bad light in the pic, you look great. Sharon said your and old friend and I remember you from Elan so no harm no foul. Keep the photos coming Bro. You look great and please join eather one...
          by liarsexposed
          Yesterday, 15:43
           
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          Between You and Jeff Cooper December 30, 2009 at 2:05pm OK LOOK IT ENDS NOW GOT IT Art Warshawsky December 30, 2009 at 2:23pm Too late.. You may read about it in the newspaper or on a court docket I gave plenty of opportunity. Enough is enough... Now you deal with my attorney Each person who message...
          by liarsexposed
          Yesterday, 15:37
           
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          Hey Marky Call the Police.. Call the Mayor.. Call Sharon Nobody cares but you. Its the only weapon you have. I have done nothing to you. In fact I have never even met you On the other hand You have broken the law repeatedly,numorous times since Jan. Have all the documents needed. You did it to yours...
          by liarsexposed
          Yesterday, 15:16
           
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          Marky You seeem to have a "thing" for little boys and sexual connotations. Can you tell us about that You are WAYYY too informed about this kind of behavior Personally I find it kinda gross There... Now you have some more attention ?? All better now Punkin ? Time for some of your other scr...
          by liarsexposed
          Yesterday, 14:00
           
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          Oh Marky You've already been beaten. The game is over Of the 42 posts on this thread, I am guessing most of them are you,agreeing with yourself. You have a horrible illness,in addition to being caught This is what little boys do when they are caught lying Tho I never expected a 50 yr old man to thro...
          by liarsexposed
          Yesterday, 12:04
           
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          He seeks answers through prayer and medication !!!!! But I think his dosage needs to be upped..   [/quote]

          No Question !        
          by liarsexposed
          27 Aug 2010, 23:51
           
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          Tsk Tsk Tsk Marky Temper Temper This is about you. This is about you trying to hide being caught. This is about you stealing my personal things and posting them on 8 websites to harrass me. Ummmm what happened to every one of those sites as a result of this tantrum ? Can you tell us Marky ? Where ar...
          by liarsexposed
          27 Aug 2010, 23:50
           
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          Everyone look at Marky Cheer himself on
          Today he is going to be gary stadler,marrk babitz,joe gerald,elan reporter,jeff cooper and anyone else I may have left out
          You really arent very smart Mark.. But you go ahead and keep spewing
          I think you'll be suprised at who is watching
          by liarsexposed
          27 Aug 2010, 21:33
           
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          LOL
          Thanks for making my point Marky
          Now sign in as Gary Stadler
          by liarsexposed
          27 Aug 2010, 16:01
           
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          I am neither Marky.. and you know it This is just the only attention you can get out of your Mentally Handi-capped life Its very sad that you talk about yourself in the 3rd person 50 yrs old and still this sick Now please sign in as the reporter or gary,or Joe Gerald,Jeff Cooper or whomever else you...
          by liarsexposed
          27 Aug 2010, 14:04
           
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          Marky
          dont you think your mental illness,and foul mouth has caused enough trouble for you and others ?
          give it a rest and maybe you will feel better
          Would you share this bile of yours with a family member ?
          What would make a person fall to this level of yours ?
          Will pray again for you again/still
          by liarsexposed
          27 Aug 2010, 12:41
           
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          Marky
          Still praying for you. Dont let a day go by that you dont advertise your apparent illness
          Makes me sad to think that you have nothing else but this
          Bless you
          by liarsexposed
          26 Aug 2010, 14:35
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          I have no guilt Marky
          But you seem to struggle with the truth
          Bless you
          by liarsexposed
          25 Aug 2010, 23:28
           
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          I think you should seek psychiatric care Marky
          Still praying for you
          by liarsexposed
          25 Aug 2010, 15:20
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Thats a nice fairy tale Marky
          by liarsexposed
          24 Aug 2010, 15:55
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Poor Marky
          Up all night posting hate and bile again.. Or should I say still
          Still praying for you Marky
          You should try different weapons Marky. The ones you are using are dull
          Like all of your postings
          by liarsexposed
          24 Aug 2010, 12:40
           
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          The only person that got roasted here was yourself Your own words You are a very sick man Mark I hope one day you get better these are not the rantings of a well person But if you recall.. I too have been to Elan Your chicken-shit little girl games are easy in comparrison You have only hurt yourself...
          by liarsexposed
          23 Aug 2010, 22:26
           
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          50 years old and posting shit pics ?
          Pretending to be how many others over the weekend ?
          You should seek therapy Marky
          I will keep praying for you
          You are avery sick man
          by liarsexposed
          23 Aug 2010, 14:06
           
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          I heard Marky sat here frustrated and lonely all day
          Posted lies and bile about someone he's never met
          If anyone besides Marky is reading this. Pray for this guy.
          He is obviously a mess
          by liarsexposed
          23 Aug 2010, 02:17
           
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          Calling her every day, and stalking her with your bile and negativity. You really cant help yourself can you ? He who has been stalking me for 8 yrs ? Who are you kidding you putz. You really are mentally challenged. This could have ended YEARS ago. All you had to do was shut the fuck up. Stop the g...
          by liarsexposed
          22 Aug 2010, 14:55
           
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          Funny you should mention that, seeing that is the exact same thing you did in 2005-2006 time frame. Posting as yourself, then logging in as other users and agreeing with yourself. Do you remember that fArt? Remember you got busted and called out by an admin here at fornits? Then all of us left the b...
          by liarsexposed
          22 Aug 2010, 11:07
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          No need to pay Marky
          You can have mine for free
          Bend over  
          by liarsexposed
          22 Aug 2010, 02:19
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Poor Marky Are you still crying ? You do the same thing day after day. Post as someone else,then follow it up with photo man,then you sign in as yourself. BORRRRING I think you should create a few more screen names and charactors to cheer you on. Must be very hard being this obsessed and sick Maybe ...
          by liarsexposed
          22 Aug 2010, 00:29
           
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          Awweeee
          I made Marky cry again and tell more lies
          How shocking
          Can I get you some Kleenex ?
          No other person is even on this thread ! LOL
          Thats how Super Duper Important you are!
          Kinda just like real life for you huh Marky
          by liarsexposed
          21 Aug 2010, 22:57
           
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          Oh Marky you should give it up. You areonly making a bigger ass outa yourself (is that possible) No person beleives any of your lies. No judge is gonna send me to jail Now you on the other hand .. perhaps That still remains to be seen But you really should look at the Il penal codes about harrassmen...
          by liarsexposed
          21 Aug 2010, 18:35
           
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          Wow Marky You must be seething with anger. Every time I call you out for being a liar.... This is what follows... Some long diatribe,written by you,only with a different screen name to give the impression that "many" here know anything about me. No person that is sane,or my friend would wr...
          by liarsexposed
          21 Aug 2010, 12:58
           
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          Because all of it will come back to haunt you, that i promise you fella. LOL I gotta tell ya Marky... Something or someone is obviously haunting you. I couldnt even think of some of the things you write because they are just sick. I know you think you are safe because of the software you are using t...
          by liarsexposed
          21 Aug 2010, 12:05
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          thanks Marky
          showing off how vile you can be ?
          This is what you have been reducedx to
          i will pray for you Marky
          nite nite
          by liarsexposed
          21 Aug 2010, 03:40
           
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          LOL You are a regular entrepreneur Marky Did you accumulate all of this through lying,cheating,stealing too ? Please dont answer,I dont care What does that have to do with you stalking me for 8 years ? Or signing in as others to give the impression that others have sided with you. You are one whacke...
          by liarsexposed
          20 Aug 2010, 14:36
           
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          Marky Try something like a positive approach You continue to lie,and make up stories about me in a place where very few attend. You can make up all the screen names you like.. but in the end.. its still your lies Problem is.. You have nobody to convince. Nobody reads your drivel,fairy tales. If they...
          by liarsexposed
          20 Aug 2010, 11:35
           
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          And there aren't a whole lot of flyers around Art's house detailing his crimes against children, because...? You guys need to stop arguing and start owning. This infinite loop is a waste of time. How about BECAUSE MArky is a LIAR.. and playing the same little girl games he has been playing for 8 ye...
          by liarsexposed
          19 Aug 2010, 22:53
           
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          Poor Marky Are you gonna cry and whine all your life ? I am sorry I have this power over you. Forcing you to write your lies and fairy tales. You must be very bored and lonely, to have the time to post this nonsense over and over. Not to mention pretend to be how many other people ? Your 8 year obse...
          by liarsexposed
          19 Aug 2010, 21:53
           
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          Well Marky.. Its like this You have done exactly what I knew you would. Each and every time I exposed your lies and multiple screen names. What you have done,has provided several people with alot of laughs,and alot of pity. Not to mention you have exposed yourself to exactly what I had planned. I th...
          by liarsexposed
          19 Aug 2010, 15:43
           
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          LOL
          Living up to your name I see
          Loser
          by liarsexposed
          17 Aug 2010, 21:43
           
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          Here goes Marky tellin lies again Show me where I threatened you .. please Its VILE.. not Vial.. Tho you are probably used to VIALS of drugs, which would explain your being obsessed with me. Not sure why,but 8 years is a very long time Marky. Maybe you should see a Dr about this. Pretending to be ot...
          by liarsexposed
          17 Aug 2010, 20:52
           
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          You are a facinating little man Marky Who will you sign in as next ? There is no lawsuit.... Its a waste of money. You have nothing. Certainly nothing to be gotten out of closing fornits. Tho it may again be a bi-product of your mental illness. That is not for me to decide I have something much bett...
          by liarsexposed
          17 Aug 2010, 19:25
           
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          Wow
          You and Marky feverishly pounding the keys this morning and last night
          and for what purpose ?
          No class losers
          by liarsexposed
          17 Aug 2010, 17:37
           
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          Hey Marky Was being banned from chat anything like being banned from Fornits FB page.... 7-8 times ? Could you enlighten us as to who is Gary Stadler ? Or Jeff Cooper ?... How about Joe Gerald ? You must be very proud of yourself. You launched a campaign of hate against someone you have never met. 8...
          by liarsexposed
          17 Aug 2010, 16:46
           
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          poor illiterate marky
          my had up my ass and my layer?
          you must be very upset
          google only reproduced the bile you have posted
          the game is over marky...
          by liarsexposed
          17 Aug 2010, 14:54
           
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          Oh Marky Such a nasty little boy. Throwing a nasty little tantrum.. again. I wonder which part of the truth got you going this time. Ever notice that when I "catch" you at something.. Next comes an entire page worth of garbage from you.. I mean "The Reporter" Had a nice conversat...
          by liarsexposed
          17 Aug 2010, 12:02
           
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          Ummm Marky.. is that 007 you too.. Or is it some other little person seeking attention ? I know Marky knows better than to harass me and include my children. But I wonder if you think you are un-detectable cuz you gots softyware to hide your IP. Kinda like when you tried to get onto my fb page with ...
          by liarsexposed
          17 Aug 2010, 02:03
           
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          I would ask the same of you. But I would haveto ask all of your screen names and alias'
          For like 8 or so years......
          LOL
          Do you need some Kleenex ?
          Coward
          by liarsexposed
          16 Aug 2010, 22:49
           
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          I enjoy handing you your ass, along with all of my other screen names as you say. Gee..Nasty vile posts and then you... Marky.. when you are done sucking off the homeless,wipe that shit off your cheek dude. Hiding an IP address is only as good as the software you use I have a huge suprise for you li...
          by liarsexposed
          16 Aug 2010, 21:39
           
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          007 wrote:
          ART find a homeless person who'll urinate in your mouth for $50. Choke on your vomit.  





          YAAAAAAWWWWWNNNNNNNNN
          by liarsexposed
          16 Aug 2010, 20:12
           
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          Use her for a Banner ? I wouldnt use her as a cum receptacle. She is alot like you tho Liar,untrustworthy,makes up stories,cheater I could go on but Marky = GRow the fuck up. You lie,and you get caught every time. Today is no different Grow a pair and go away. Your little girl games are over. Mr Pil...
          by liarsexposed
          16 Aug 2010, 17:58
           
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          Must eat you up inside that your lies and screen names fall on deaf ears Looks like you are truly alone in this crusade against me..well not counting your Fraudulent screen names .... Get over it and yourself Marky You are nothing but a fraud... All the "acting-out" in the world doesnt cha...
          by liarsexposed
          16 Aug 2010, 16:49
           
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          Oh Marky
          I was making reference to you being caught in ANOTHER lie. Funny how you missed that AND being thrown out by her.
          What she is... you are absolutely correct,what she pulled.. You bet
          But of course you missed the point
          Liar,cheater,thief
          by liarsexposed
          16 Aug 2010, 16:35
           
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          LOL Felice You never need an invite. Was the nicest sunset Ive seen in a while. I thought you were comin the other night? Marky was never gonna show up. The only Power this turd has, is on the net,where he can be a Fraud. Pretending to be others and his foul mouth. He could/would never act that way ...
          by liarsexposed
          16 Aug 2010, 12:08
           
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          Jeeez Marky 16 minutes ? Someone is really upset and spun I will give you this... People like me should wear a thong. other than that Everything you have written has been a lie and I look forward to defending myself in a different fashion See you soon ! Do you call yourself "The Elan Rporter&qu...
          by liarsexposed
          15 Aug 2010, 21:42
           
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          Poor Marky Did the big guy on the corner stick it in your ass too far ? Very angry and upset today. Relax Marky.. Its all over buttercup I suppose I could create myself 3-4 new accounts and screen names too. I just dont have the desire,time,or patience to play that game. That kind of thing is reserv...
          by liarsexposed
          15 Aug 2010, 21:15
           
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          Another big night of failure huh Marky ? Did you even leave the house yesterday ? While you were failing, I worked,played on the water,brought dinner to the elderly couple across the street,then played music till 2am. I had a great day Today am going to take my mom and her husband out for brunch,the...
          by liarsexposed
          15 Aug 2010, 11:59
           
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          Marky Again, I did not threaten you. I really pity you. Look what your Hate campaign has done Nobody reads your drivel,so you make up screen names just to spew. "WE" is all about you Marky. Cuz its you and I in the forum mostly The game is over pal. No threats needed. You know when you are...
          by liarsexposed
          15 Aug 2010, 01:53
           
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          Very Weak Marky You must be very lonely. To have to make up Screen names,post and answer yourself. Just think of all the time you have wasted stalking me for 8 years. I must be very powerful. The truth must be very frightening. Am gonna help you with that Marky. Have some patience You are gonna have...
          by liarsexposed
          15 Aug 2010, 01:06
           
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          Angelo A dear friend and great customer Is this fun for you ? Stalking me again or should I say still ? Marky Tsk Tsk Tsk Have you even been outside today Marky ? You are obviously frustrated,and angry Just the way I like to see you Quite the little tantrum today son Now sign in as the Reporter agai...
          by liarsexposed
          14 Aug 2010, 22:45
           
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          You are on a roll Marky Maybe 6-7 other srceen names and you will be more convincing to the other 2 people that are on this board what would make a man fall this far ? what causes the obvious delusions to pretend to be others. You know that anyone else that reads your drivel knows its you too. the g...
          by liarsexposed
          14 Aug 2010, 17:45
           
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          LOL you must be very upset
          Keep dancing for me.. yer kinda cute Marky
          by liarsexposed
          14 Aug 2010, 12:32
           
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          you came looking for others to avenge your failure in closing Fornits the first time. Now thats funny.. thankyou Marky.. You do have a sense of humor You are really reaching Who stole pics off my fb by pretending to be someone else = Fact Who harrased me for 10 years = Fact Who got his website taken...
          by liarsexposed
          13 Aug 2010, 17:12
           
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          Marky
          You have used the same dull weapons for almost 10 yrs. Its time you answered for your part in this harrassment
          I am gonna help you out with that
          Shortly
          by liarsexposed
          13 Aug 2010, 12:12
           
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          Marky I am all done playing this little game with you online. But I am far from done. You have made a series of errors and I am going to help you to see that. Hopefully it will not involve Fornits being taken off the the net. But if it does,the blame for this will be on you and your little games Its...
          by liarsexposed
          12 Aug 2010, 22:19
           
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          Marky Beyond being logged in here,I dont think anything about you. You are sick. You are a child throwing a daily tantrum. Its funny in a trainwreck sort of way Nobody even pays attention to this thread or forum beyond your many screen names Now be sure to log in as "Gary" so you can agree...
          by liarsexposed
          12 Aug 2010, 15:42
           
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          No Marky I dont think you are Anne,but you are one in the same. 2 lonely trolls seeking attention. You really should see someone about this obsession,it cant be healthy. Marky, I promise you,if I were threatening you,there would be no mistake about it like in your previous post. Facts are facts.. Yo...
          by liarsexposed
          12 Aug 2010, 11:58
           
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          And my poor English was a test to see if you can reed If I can REED ? Thanks Marky Its pretty obvious that you are spunout aagain and powerless over your own insanity. Tell us Mr Babbletits. What is worse ? Having this terrible obsession,or being too big a coward to confront it. After all,I am just ...
          by liarsexposed
          11 Aug 2010, 20:56
           
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          And yes years people have told you , your shit doesn't that say anything to you ??
          Lack of command of the English Language must really suck. No Job,No Life.. Just hate
          Now thats some quality of life you got there
          Boring
          But dont stop on my account... I am enjoying your obvious pain
          by liarsexposed
          11 Aug 2010, 19:08
           
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          How flattering that you have devoted hours of your precious time to digging up old posts from years ago
          Maybe you should get a job Marky...
          That way you wouldnt look so creepy,regardless of which screen name you are using this hour LOL
          Anne........ I love you !
          Kiss
          by liarsexposed
          11 Aug 2010, 17:55
           
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          Awwe not enough attention when you post as yourself ? Poor Marky Is this the Screen name you use when trolling the gay porn sites for your next partner ? Very weak Marky,tho typical Dont leave the basement today son.. Nothing for you in the real world anyway You must be mad that your former partner ...
          by liarsexposed
          11 Aug 2010, 17:16
           
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          Wow
          Thanks but no thanks. I am sure its something I have no interest in. Gay sex ? Fecal matter ?
          You are really extra boring
          How about you and Marky (cumbubbler) Babbletits hold hands and jump off the Well St bridge
          Now that would be a public service.
          Nice to be thought of tho
          by liarsexposed
          11 Aug 2010, 13:53
           
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          Feverishly pounding the keys this morning I see 20-30 yr old newspaper articles that are irrelivent You the man... Your obvious obsession gets the best outa you every minute of every day Just the way I like to see you Spunout and damaged... Seeking attention Marky I miss Jeff Cooper. He is so cool. ...
          by liarsexposed
          10 Aug 2010, 16:28
           
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          Re: TROLL CHUM - One Simple Statement That Set Off The Troll
          When I started quoting this post and linking to it, Whooter got increasingly more upset and now spends all day every day being my personal troll in various guises: Whooter, SUCK IT, Mitt Romney, Sarah Palin, John McCain, et al. LOL Sounds alot like Mark Babitz and his host of online persona's and sc...
          by liarsexposed
          09 Aug 2010, 01:00
           
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          Choose whatever weapon Marky I am comfy.. I like where I live. Everyone here likes me alot. I do just fine.. Thanks for your concern Now..... you want answers... cool You know my attorney's name and number Now about your lies Marky.. who are you pretending to be today ? I bet you are Captn America !...
          by liarsexposed
          08 Aug 2010, 18:58
           
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          Marky Babbletits,Gary standler,Joe Gerald,Elan Reporter,Jeff cooper I know I am missing a few But if there is a liar among us,its pretty clear who that is boy I am glad to be able to set you straight,and often.. You should take those meds the doctor gave you You just may get yourself a membership ca...
          by liarsexposed
          08 Aug 2010, 16:08
           
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          Yes Art I notice you, here is a tidbit. Normally I would go to where you dock the boat, come down knock the shit out of you and take your boat but I'm not feeling that violent anymore, that is probably good for you. Go away Art. Bye Bye[/quote] LOL I wonder whats stopping you Common sense ? Lack of ...
          by liarsexposed
          08 Aug 2010, 00:11
           
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          Wow! Babitz.... How thoroughly and ineffectually you work to discredit that girls testimony. Having spent many, many hours in 'interview', Mr.Babitz, i'll just say that her testimony has 'the ring of truth'. Yours does not. I hear a Guilty Dog Barkin' Loud, in the South,that's the one we shoot. Wis...
          by liarsexposed
          07 Aug 2010, 19:02
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Hey Marky The biggest shame in this whole thing is the children. The next biggest shame,is that you werent the one killed. You and your 10 screen names for the sake of hurting others.Do you get a stiffy when you "pretend" to be others ? I would say something like " you should be asham...
          by liarsexposed
          04 Aug 2010, 12:16
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Well Anne
          I did take legal action. Several times. You must have been sleeping and missed it
          Thats all the time I have today
          Someone has to make your Link card work !
          by liarsexposed
          25 Jun 2010, 19:27
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Anne You fall for it every time. You may be a troll,lbut deep down inside I believe you and anyone else who reads Sharon and Mark's Vicious attacks are smart enough to know better. They are whiniing because they got caught. They conspired to lie,cheat and steal and got busted. 8 websites taken down ...
          by liarsexposed
          25 Jun 2010, 19:10
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          I was born in 1963 Sharon There are no charges or even an accusation of the molestations you are making up. Its only a suggestion Marky,but think hard about how,and where you want to go with this. Thats all I will say about it. Create your own destiny Sharon.. you got nothing but rhetoric..bullshit....
          by liarsexposed
          25 Jun 2010, 18:19
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          I hard being honest Farty, isn't it
               
               
               
          by liarsexposed
          25 Jun 2010, 13:58
           
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          hand you your ass, you will suit him or call the cop's Sharon... please try to find the spellcheck .... Its ok with me if you want to be ignorant white trailer trash But to show off your lack of education..every damn day : How exactly do you "suit" someone? Do you dress them up in nice cl...
          by liarsexposed
          25 Jun 2010, 13:55
           
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          hand you your ass, you will suit him or call the cop's Sharon... please try to find the spellcheck .... Its ok with me if you want to be ignorant white trailer trash But to show off your lack of education..every damn day stay in school .. maybe one day you can be a medical transcriber.. But I think ...
          by liarsexposed
          25 Jun 2010, 12:30
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          You just keep tellin yourself that stuff Marky (Cumbubbler) thats why you were selling off all your posessions a few months back. I understand it to be 3 houses and you lost one to the bank because you DONT have a job, and sit here all day playing troll. Its a great game, but I dont think it pays ve...
          by liarsexposed
          25 Jun 2010, 12:06
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Sharon she can enlighten all of you about Farty stalking her and her family all these years LOL Good god Cry me a River Now thats truly funny... thats twice I have had to compliment you for a sense of humor Maybe your not all that bad Mahahahahahahahahahahaha the big bad ART... lol Child molestor hu...
          by liarsexposed
          25 Jun 2010, 01:07
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Sharon and her other screen name
          Oh the pain
          LOL
          You freakin sissy
          Grow up and end thid
          Or throw another tantrum tomorrow LOL
          Either way.. people are sure to laugh at you
          Now you really have all the attention
          by liarsexposed
          24 Jun 2010, 22:55
           
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          Pissant cowards pretending to be others... You are a one woman riot Sharon Keep searching .. You got nothing on me... Keep spinning.. I love it when you dance for me I see you have had a big day of hate and bile How suprising. LOOOOLLLLLLL Its time to get in the water hun.. I have an anchor with you...
          by liarsexposed
          24 Jun 2010, 22:02
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          I think the Jeffrey Troll is old and stale
          Kinda like Sharon's/Marky (suckacock) BAbbletits personality
          Just a little girlie game to be played by cowards...
          Play with yourselves.. You should be used to that by now
          Scumbag
          by liarsexposed
          24 Jun 2010, 19:35
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          I was a kid knew no better LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL You would have sucked my dick(or any other) for a Happy Meal.... You are cracking my shit up today.... You should either be on stage as a comedian,or in a mental hospital!!!!!! How does a person actually fall this far ? I mean I remember when I was...
          by liarsexposed
          24 Jun 2010, 18:06
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          LOL SO now I am a child molester ? Is this really your best defense ? More lies ? Pretending to be others ? You are on a roll with your usual bullshit. Problem is.. The only persons that MIGHT believe you and your OTHER screen names.. Would be you Must suck real bad to have to do this every day Sure...
          by liarsexposed
          24 Jun 2010, 17:29
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Oh lookie
          Sharon signed in as herself
          Back from flying the space shuttle.. Million Dollar Jackpots in Monte Carlo ?
          You have zero class,and less credibilty
          Do you think everyone is as dumb as you ?
          by liarsexposed
          24 Jun 2010, 16:52
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Ahhh More research huh Marky Maybe you should use your time to get a job = Freeloader But no Instead you are gonna cry,whine,and snivel over someone you have never met... and too cowardly to deal with face to face Stay here.. Play your games.. I have work to do Tell the truth Marky... If this was me...
          by liarsexposed
          24 Jun 2010, 14:42
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Gee where have we seen 2 people pretending to be others to gang up on Art ? Old news Old games Adolescent behavior Gee guys.. Gonna have a hard time getting through the day If I could only sit at home,collect a check,and dig up insignificant info on the internet all day You cant catch me in a lie,be...
          by liarsexposed
          24 Jun 2010, 13:44
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Poor Sharon/Marky You just arent happy if you cant attack someone. Show me where I said I owned this house. Its a rental for sure. Cant remember saying anything different I dont lie Sharon.. thats your thing.. every day all day ... hows that whole Troll thing working out ? are you finished making an...
          by liarsexposed
          24 Jun 2010, 12:06
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Just be honest and quit lying about everything. Well all know you live in a 800 sq ft house that was built in the 50's and have a 16 ft boat LOL You are out of control with your lies kids You just cant seem to help yourselves. Its like you are infected with a disease (something I am sure Sharon is f...
          by liarsexposed
          24 Jun 2010, 00:32
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Oh Marky/Sharon (one in the same) Glad you had time to research all the personal attacks I have shouldered. Was there a point to this ? I know you are all madders because I have exposed you for being a liar,cheater and a thief.. But really.. This tantrum is hilarious. I am sorry you are so angry May...
          by liarsexposed
          23 Jun 2010, 22:14
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Wahhhhhhh Arty hurt my feelings He caught me in 200 lies I am gonna pretend to be someone else and fuck with him. Because I am very weak,and am a coward that wont back down despite being proven to be a liar,cheater and a thief Did I mention Wahhhhhhhhhh ? Why dont you leave it alone. Lick your wound...
          by liarsexposed
          23 Jun 2010, 19:47
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          And the Sharon and Mark/ Acting out show continues
          YAAAWWWNNN
          Plagerizing my material too.. Now thats extra funny
          Tell the truth girls
          by liarsexposed
          23 Jun 2010, 17:53
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Tell the truth Sharon
          YAAAWWNNNNN
          by liarsexposed
          22 Jun 2010, 20:11
           
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          I could not,nor would I ever speak for Danny.. But I have told the whole truth. Each and every time I have posted. I dont need to make anything up Sharon. The truth is bad enough. 1) I dont believe you won anything or went anywhere 2) I think the Jeffrey troll is either you or babbletits.. and/or pe...
          by liarsexposed
          22 Jun 2010, 16:47
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Look at the little tantrum Marky is throwing
          could you flail your arms and kick your feet too ?
          Arent you 50 fucking years old ?
          and this is all you got ?
          Damn
          by liarsexposed
          21 Jun 2010, 23:56
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          HaHaHa
          Its Sharon or Mark
          The two that have made this forum into what it is today
          Garbage
          Cesspool
          Caustic
          Neither can stay away because they cant get any attention anywhere else in the real world
          Losers
          by liarsexposed
          21 Jun 2010, 20:12
           
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          Re: Fight with Danny and all ELAN people at this website!
          Mark wrote: Danny I wont call you for any reason, you are one of the most ' wishy / washy ' people I have ever seen,, one second you want a friend and then an enemy . You are under constant fire and ridicule by someone all the time , and I dont see you ever trying not to be the one of focus. you inv...
          by liarsexposed
          20 Jun 2010, 15:45
           
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          Re: Fight with Danny and all ELAN people at this website!
          Marky has plenty of experience being a troll Wasnt it 7-8 screen names banned from the Fonits on FB thing ? Tsk Tsk Tsk Marky.. You have a short memory boy. Or could you just be a liar... who cares.. You are the same coward as this other troll.. In fact.. You may even be him ! Try some human contact...
          by liarsexposed
          20 Jun 2010, 03:44
           
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          Re: Fight with Danny and all ELAN people at this website!
          Har, har, har. These f'ing threads are too much (I've seen so many come and go); the people involved become caricatures of themselves! personally I am surprised these threads are not where they deserve to be kicked too...Drama box...thought these should all be there by now. It is all so stupid and ...
          by liarsexposed
          19 Jun 2010, 15:24
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
          Go Sharon
          Keep dancing for me and your audience
          Tell the truth Sharon. thats where this begins and ends
          ps.. Please call the police.. I'll wait here !
          LOOOOOL
          by liarsexposed
          19 Jun 2010, 15:04
           
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          Re: Fight with Danny and all ELAN people at this website!
          troll programs wrote:
          Art I get aroused when you talk nasty to me big daddy. When are you going to pump me up?


          Come on over coward....You'll get the lesson in manners that mommy never gave you.
          Sun finally came out
          Guess what... find another playmate
          by liarsexposed
          19 Jun 2010, 01:16
           
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          Re: Fight with Danny and all ELAN people at this website!
          Art we are hear to listen to your pain. Let it all out! Cry, it's okay we'll hold you, and comfort you. Thank you Dano. You are so kind. I see you have learned from some of the best trolls. I guess it makes sense for you to do the same. Cant beat em, join em ? Does this give you a stiffy or are you...
          by liarsexposed
          19 Jun 2010, 01:12
           
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          Re: Fight with Danny and all ELAN people at this website!
          Art we are hear to listen to your pain. Let it all out! Cry, it's okay we'll hold you, and comfort you. Thank you Dano. You are so kind. I see you have learned from some of the best trolls. I guess it makes sense for you to do the same. Cant beat em, join em ? Does this give you a stiffy or are you...
          by liarsexposed
          19 Jun 2010, 01:10
           
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          Re: Fight with Danny and all ELAN people at this website!
          troll programs wrote:
          mark babitz (psy) & liarexposed (art) did you guys ever think of a gay marriage? You guys really would make a good couple with all the bitching and whining!  


          Hmmm I heard he swallows...
          by liarsexposed
          19 Jun 2010, 00:09
           
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          Re: Fight with Danny and all ELAN people at this website!
          Ok Ok
          Everyone stop .. Danny didnt get any attention in this thread.
          Can we all just stop and give some attention to the sickest of Elan Trolls....
          Hope it was good for you Dano!

          You may now return to your usual trolling and whining
          by liarsexposed
          19 Jun 2010, 00:00
           
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          Re: Fight with Danny and all ELAN people at this website!
          and thats from " Mark Babitz " So.. Lemme see.. Are you argueing with yourself,or are you psy now,or maybe jeff cooper, I know.. you are gary stadler... thats right. Fuck.. its rough when you forget who you are impersonating ! Which Screen Name to sign in as......Etc Etc Dude.. you are a l...
          by liarsexposed
          18 Jun 2010, 23:18
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Dont you ever have a pair of nuts ?
          Troll = Coward
          Go fuck yourself
          Any time you decide you want to have a real conversation,with a real person, you know where to find me
          You are a sissy
          by liarsexposed
          18 Jun 2010, 22:38
           
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          Re: Fight with Danny and all ELAN people at this website!
          Please understand that I agree with Sharon
          Write this day down on the calender
          and now I will say in frt of everyone
          Troll = Coward
          Go fuck yourself
          by liarsexposed
          18 Jun 2010, 22:35
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          If I had to guess "where you got the $$ to goto 7 casino's.. I would say you were prostituting yourself Tho the very thought sickens me You just cannot control yourself and your lies Lets see... 40 yrs old.. working for 25 yrs.. that makes you 15 when you started working ? Means you were "...
          by liarsexposed
          18 Jun 2010, 12:24
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Oh my
          Look at what the truth does.. It makes Sharon throwup on Fornits
          If I had anything on you ?
          LOOOL
          by liarsexposed
          18 Jun 2010, 00:01
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Thanks for the computer lesson. the call that Sharon made and I returned,was done the same day my pal (Police Chief) was here taking the report of 11 threats made over facebook and 3 of the 8 Hatesites that Sharon/Mark created to harrass me. The call was returned and placed on speaker phone, where S...
          by liarsexposed
          17 Jun 2010, 21:35
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Trollboy A sure bet,would be to never believe a thing that comes outa Sharon or Marky's (cumbubbler) Mouth. I wouldnt call her in the middle of the day,let alone night. I dont profess to be a computer geek. Am just a poor junkyard dog. With a small business on the side. Sometimes I actually get to p...
          by liarsexposed
          17 Jun 2010, 15:42
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Doesnt have to be like this Sharon. Stop playing games and I go away.
          Isnt that what you want. No more contact ?
          Make it happen

          You cant do it,can you ?
          Shut up and leave it alone. If you dont act like a retard, you cant get any attention I guess
          How sad for you
          Tell the truth sharon
          by liarsexposed
          16 Jun 2010, 12:00
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Must bring you great comfort, to make this pissing match about being an ex-staffer,or a woman hater,or anything else you want to use to cover the truth,and your responsibility in this 6 month assault. You are the victim. I came out of nowhere and started attacking you. Tell the truth Sharon. Be a WO...
          by liarsexposed
          16 Jun 2010, 00:03
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          and without fornits where would you daily be able to bully and try to belittle people. Shit you should be paying fornits for allowing you to run free without a leash. Please you are a complete mess little man. You are a waste of life complete waste. Bet mommy and daddy are so proud of what their ba...
          by liarsexposed
          15 Jun 2010, 21:08
           
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          n from New Forum Policies
          Bring it on Sharon
          Put up or shut the fuck up you dizzy bitch
          Been threatening me since Dec 31st.. You are a coward
          where would you be without Fornits ?
          Where would you run your mouth ?
          Cunt
          by liarsexposed
          15 Jun 2010, 20:22
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Mark is a coward like yourself
          'Talk tough on a web forum.. Put up or shut up
          I think he/you should call the police.. Yep thats what you should do
          or you could do the world a favor and kill yourself
          by liarsexposed
          15 Jun 2010, 19:46
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Poor Marky Still spreading hate and bile. AS an anonymous troll. Who are you afraid of ? Why hide unless you are lying ? I dont need to lie. The truth about you and your partner is scary enough Felice thinks I wont be her friend because she is your friend. In fact I told her I would have to delete h...
          by liarsexposed
          15 Jun 2010, 15:39
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          fArt, when you run on wonder lakes beach, can you make your man tits bounce up and down like Bay Watch's Pamela Anderson? :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: Reporter I dont run anywhere,but to the bathroom. But no matter how fat I get, My tits will never bounce like Pamela's :roflmao: :roflmao...
          by liarsexposed
          15 Jun 2010, 13:44
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          YAWWWWWWWN this is about as much about an Ex-staffperson As sharon is still a virgin But thanks for the laughs.. That was good ! YesYes the big bad art planned for you to assauklt him,steal from him,harass him and when the big bad art fought back you suddenly became a victim Am gonna go now Am so sa...
          by liarsexposed
          15 Jun 2010, 00:05
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Perfect example of dishonest cowards crying
          by liarsexposed
          14 Jun 2010, 16:40
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Sorry I made you cry today Marky Actually you DID post that you met me in Me.. But I kinda caught you in that lie too So what you are saying is.. You 2 morons have no part in this little tantrum of yours every day Art just came back to fornits by himself and attacked you 2 without provocation ? LOOO...
          by liarsexposed
          14 Jun 2010, 14:55
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Pretty Cool Trollboy
          Now post Sharon's rants and verbal vomit.
          That should take up 4-5 pages
          Be sure to include all her Screen names as its extremely imprtant she gets the attention she has earned !
          Try not to shit yourself today girls
          by liarsexposed
          14 Jun 2010, 13:54
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Pretty Cool Trollboy
          Now post Sharon's rants and verbal vomit.
          That should take up 4-5 pages
          Be sure to include all her Screen names as its extremely imprtant she gets the attention she has earned !
          Try not to shit yourself today girls
          by liarsexposed
          14 Jun 2010, 13:54
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          He "fArt" must be very over whelmed. I think this is officially a record of fArt haters at one time here. If there was no internet chat rooms, or forums, you know well that fArt would not be bothering anyone, he certainly would be too much of a coward to come face to face and try to pull ...
          by liarsexposed
          13 Jun 2010, 17:55
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Ha dude You are going to do well here this time around. You have tons in common with Mark and Sharon. Hate and bile at its finest. Now all you have to do is just tweak your lying a bit,so you sound a little more psychotic,and you will fit in perfectly This has been fun and educational. But you still...
          by liarsexposed
          13 Jun 2010, 02:03
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Yes Yes girls You have ganged up on me. My Esteem is in very poor shape, I may not be able to get through my steak dinner tonight. I am glad nothing has changed Sharon. Still tellilng lies,still whining like the little cunt you are. Also glad to have rented that VERY cheap space in yours,and your &q...
          by liarsexposed
          12 Jun 2010, 23:47
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Wow guys I guess I have been quite popular. I just gotta say, I had a couple huge laughs at your expense today. Thank you You can write what you want. Twist it into anything you like. But the facts still remain. In fact Marky there are only 2 things keeping you from driving up the street to confront...
          by liarsexposed
          12 Jun 2010, 03:13
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          "Psy" Troll.. Sharon.. Marky .. or whomever Sink my boat ? I should be so lucky.. Its insured. But I will take that as one of your usual threats and document it accordingly. I think you have mis-understood. I truly dont give a fuck what you think. I didnt start this, But I will finish it i...
          by liarsexposed
          09 Jun 2010, 16:29
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Vacation ? Thats what you call it,its ok with me. A week or 2 in an asylum does a body good ? But your mind... Still whacked. Could you get your toungue further into Felice' ass ? Oh and for the perverts here.. maybe snap a picture. As soon as you are ready to shut the fuck up, I go away.. Its just ...
          by liarsexposed
          09 Jun 2010, 12:16
           
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          Re: The way of the Kruglik
          I want to know what your connection to Homosexual sex,and beastiality is Sharon
          I think its pretty clear you arent getting any
          Maybe you should solicit the homeless
          Be a public service for you to blow all the homeless in Freeport
          Give untill it hurts Sharon !
          by liarsexposed
          08 Jun 2010, 15:26
           
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          Re: TCK Lives on!
          Paul This will be the only response you are going to get from me. Sharon and Mark have more than earned the harsh words from me. Either you werent around when it started,or you were pretending to be someone else. (very common practice here) I have not been a participant here in a very long time and ...
          by liarsexposed
          04 Jun 2010, 22:10
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          I am afraid I am fresh out of time for your insanity today Sharon Took part of the day off to play in the water. Any time you decide you have the guts to speak face to face,and or back up what you have to say You know where I am at Anne... Thanks for letting me h
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 28, 2010, 11:43:35 PM
          ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  Wow  :jawdrop:   Farty you sure are full of allot of hot air, :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :clown:  :clown:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Che Gookin on August 29, 2010, 05:04:01 AM
          Mark man, just warning you that repeatedly posting long pieces of text like that could well be considered spamming, I don't make the rules around here so I'm not sure, but I'd consider being e a bit more careful. Not that I care if you get banned, but it doesn't promise that you and art get banned at the same time, so we'd all be deprived of your adolescent pissing contest that has spawned 95 pages of epic goodness.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 29, 2010, 07:59:16 AM
          Marky
          Seems your OCD ass just wont let up.
          Have you seen a Dr about this ?
          I am not sure what point you were trying to make, but I have to think it took you a long time to make that point,and I didnt even attempt to read it
          You are so ... UN-Impressive,and mentally unstable that I better just stop here
          I am very afraid that your other screen names may come out and use foul language
          Looks like another day(and nite),alone,in front of your computer
          Off to breakfast ...Spin ya later
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 29, 2010, 09:19:32 AM
          Quote from: "Che Gookin"
          Mark man, just warning you that repeatedly posting long pieces of text like that could well be considered spamming, I don't make the rules around here so I'm not sure, but I'd consider being e a bit more careful. Not that I care if you get banned, but it doesn't promise that you and art get banned at the same time, so we'd all be deprived of your adolescent pissing contest that has spawned 95 pages of epic goodness.

          Hey Arron !!  Go abuse some kids in China, your words and comments mean nothing here ass hole, I have exposed you before for being an abuser and Ex Staffer, so go to hell, your spewing could be regarded as spam too, I after all the threats made here by Fart and confessions to sex with minors, haven't gotten him banned, I am not worried about posting all his bile and getting accused of spamming.

          I have read some of your endless dribble about the care of kids, and your philosophizes on kids and teaching, and you sound like an ass. You are one of the biggest abusers out there , how do you comment on the proper way of kids and treatment,??? You claim to work in China, one of the most child abusive County's in the world. So stick to your corner no one needs your help or advice here. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:


          P.S. Don't Shit Yourself Farty.


          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Marky
          Seems your OCD ass just wont let up.
          Have you seen a Dr about this ?
          I am not sure what point you were trying to make, but I have to think it took you a long time to make that point,and I didnt even attempt to read it
          You are so ... UN-Impressive,and mentally unstable that I better just stop here
          I am very afraid that your other screen names may come out and use foul language
          Looks like another day(and nite),alone,in front of your computer
          Off to breakfast ...Spin ya later
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 29, 2010, 09:23:54 AM
          Quote from: "Che Gookin"
          Mark man, just warning you that repeatedly posting long pieces of text like that could well be considered spamming, I don't make the rules around here so I'm not sure, but I'd consider being e a bit more careful. Not that I care if you get banned, but it doesn't promise that you and art get banned at the same time, so we'd all be deprived of your adolescent pissing contest that has spawned 95 pages of epic goodness.


             :notworthy:  :notworthy: The Great Words of Arron Seymore, The Web Site Critic  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:


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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Mark man, just warning you that repeatedly posting long pieces of text like that could well be considered spamming, I don't make the rules around here so I'm not sure, but I'd consider being e a bit more careful. Not that I care if you get banned, but it doesn't promise that you and art get banned a...
          by Che Gookin
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          Re: Congratulations ding a lings..
          DannyB II wrote:

          I'm an the gold standard of being a failed human and even lousier internet troll and bully, be right back after I look up failure in the dictionary to admire my own picture.



          Fixed it for you.

          And as always, fuck you danny.
          by Che Gookin
          Today, 09:59
           
          Forum: The Troubled Teen Industry
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          Re: Congratulations ding a lings..
          As I said hypocrite, who have you backed up lately, really. Your all talk. Why don't you get lost for a while and do something productive and don't let anyone know about it here. That would entail that you stop abusing alcohol. I tell you what I haven't done lately, that's attempt to provoke people...
          by Che Gookin
          Today, 06:41
           
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          Re: Congratulations ding a lings..
          DannyB II wrote:
          Che who in the hell do you back up.


          Well I tried backing up the girl you drug behind the van, but you were driving too fast.

          At least I tried though.


          by Che Gookin
          Today, 05:56
           
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          Re: Fornits: A Primer for the Uninitiated
          Botched, at this point you only have yourself to blame for this hideous poor use of time. If you feel this strongly about programs you have a funny way of showing it. Slaying the whooterdragon hasn't yet happened on these forums. You know why? Too many of the people who need help being redirected aw...
          by Che Gookin
          Today, 04:37
           
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          Congratulations ding a lings..
          For spending how much time being trolled by Spammy, Whooter, and Machiavelli? Really classy way to back up the kids in the programs who need your help. Seriously, find something relevant to do with your time and take a shot at program rape. (And yes, I'm well aware posting this is ironic considering...
          by Che Gookin
          Today, 03:48
           
          Forum: The Troubled Teen Industry
          Topic: Congratulations ding a lings..
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          Re: Update..
          Not needed, he needs his aunt and uncle where he is now more than being sent to a school. The other uncle, the fucker who sent his deaf and traumatized nephew to a program, is willing to lay out big bucks for whatever medical supports he needs.
          by Che Gookin
          Today, 03:46
           
          Forum: The Troubled Teen Industry
          Topic: Update..
          Replies: 9
          Views: 125
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          Re: Fornits: A Primer for the Uninitiated
          Samara, get in touch with me on yahoo if you still have my screen name on your messenger. I got a rickshaw for you that you might want to hear about.
          by Che Gookin
          Today, 03:43
           
          Forum: The Troubled Teen Industry
          Topic: Fornits: A Primer for the Uninitiated
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          Re: Vantage Point, Utah (Aspiro)
          A repair of the family requires the entire family being present to sort through the family dynamics. Shipping junior or barbie off to brat camp isn't going to help the family learn to work together and more importantly learn to respect each other.
          by Che Gookin
          Today, 03:40
           
          Forum: Facility Question and Answers
          Topic: Vantage Point, Utah (Aspiro)
          Replies: 6
          Views: 71
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          Re: Echo Springs Staff
          Can you guys ask around and see what you can find out about Jack? It is for a very very very very good reason that I can't really disclose on an open forum. But if you could ask around you'd be helping me out a fair bit.
          by Che Gookin
          Yesterday, 22:25
           
          Forum: CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones
          Topic: Echo Springs Staff
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          Re: Update..
          I think the kid will be ok, the uncle can drop dead for all I care, son of a bitch he is.
          by Che Gookin
          Yesterday, 22:16
           
          Forum: The Troubled Teen Industry
          Topic: Update..
          Replies: 9
          Views: 125
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          Re: Fornits: A Primer for the Uninitiated
          Che, CHe, CHE! I don't have an agenda. I just have wishes: 1. For survivors to receive support, validation, fellowship.... Check!! More of that over on facebook. 2. For program prospects to get flip coin information with no ed con marketing. For maximum efficacy, this requires people here to behave...
          by Che Gookin
          Yesterday, 22:15
           
          Forum: The Troubled Teen Industry
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          Re: Update..
          They did the kid absolutely no favors. They knew he was deaf, they knew he had special needs, and they took him anyway. Fuck the program, they should have had the integrity from the beginning to tell the uncle the idea wasn't a sound one. Yet they took him, wasted a month of his life and probably le...
          by Che Gookin
          Yesterday, 06:21
           
          Forum: The Troubled Teen Industry
          Topic: Update..
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          Re: aparently, adults want to go to programs too
          Sorry Botched, but sadly DB is an actual functioning person. Though an argument can be made for him functioning on the level of an amoeba, but none the less, he's actually is who he says he is.
          by Che Gookin
          Yesterday, 05:08
           
          Forum: <b>Open Free for All</b>
          Topic: aparently, adults want to go to programs too
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          Re: Update..
          The admission's department of this program and the program directors are to blame for accepting a handicapped child in the first place. The counselor on the other hand is not, I give her three months before she's abused someone though, just the way it is.
          by Che Gookin
          Yesterday, 04:15
           
          Forum: The Troubled Teen Industry
          Topic: Update..
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          Here is over 3000 post of Arrons dribble, I don't know why you would't just leave me alone, You are always , Out-Gunned with me, and I have shown you that. But thanks for stopping by with your 2 Yen,and go fuck yourself today . I have not been on your ass, since Mike and Ginger asked me to give you a break, why don't you keep it like that. Instead of commenting, read and comprehend, there are several folks on Farts ass, and are you too stupid to see it,??? Some of them you probably know and have seen here for many years, and know they are not me. So if you have something to say, target the whole group not just me , you don't like when I target you, I already know that from your crying last time,when your buddy Fart got the site held up for a second.

          http://www.fornits.com/wwf/search.php?a ... 5&sr=posts (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/search.php?author_id=4625&sr=posts)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 29, 2010, 09:33:54 AM
          well
          Its nice to see you are a equal opportunity abuser yourself
          Its almost refreshing to see you change the focus of your bile and hate to someone else
          Except noone deserves to be abused Marky
          Isnt this what this site was designed for ?
          I know I know.. He hurted your feelers by telling the truth
          Alot of that going around Gary... LOL
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 29, 2010, 09:40:52 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          well
          Its nice to see you are a equal opportunity abuser yourself
          Its almost refreshing to see you change the focus of your bile and hate to someone else
          Except noone deserves to be abused Marky
          Isnt this what this site was designed for ?
          I know I know.. He hurted your feelers by telling the truth
          Alot of that going around Gary... LOL


          Farty if there was a person worse then you, Arron Seymore is the one. As you know he is the ultimate abuser and fraud, read some of his writings. Just Google his name and see all the gore.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 29, 2010, 09:54:32 AM
          If there is a person worse than you
          He/She is locked up in a Mental Institution or Correctional Facility. I find you facinating,in a trainwreck sort of way Marky.
          Aaron has never been anything but nice to me. Dont know that I like him or otherise. Never met him
          Kinda like you.. Only you play god every day and judge others on YOUR own personal criteria
          Its a big job,and I see you do it 20 some hours a day,which leads me to believe you are very disturbed individual with no friends,no life etc and no hope of being anything but multiple personalities on an anonymous website
          If that was your goal in life.. To have nothing but this
          I would say you are very close to achieving your objectives
          Lets celebrate!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 29, 2010, 10:10:15 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          If there is a person worse than you
          He/She is locked up in a Mental Institution or Correctional Facility. I find you facinating,in a trainwreck sort of way Marky.
          Aaron has never been anything but nice to me. Dont know that I like him or otherise. Never met him
          Kinda like you.. Only you play god every day and judge others on YOUR own personal criteria
          Its a big job,and I see you do it 20 some hours a day,which leads me to believe you are very disturbed individual with no friends,no life etc and no hope of being anything but multiple personalities on an anonymous website
          If that was your goal in life.. To have nothing but this
          I would say you are very close to achieving your objectives
          Lets celebrate!


          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          by Che Gookin » Today, 10:04

            ,{ but it doesn't promise that you and art get banned at the same time, so we'd all be deprived of your adolescent pissing contest that has spawned 95 pages of epic goodness.}


          That doesn't sound like he is being a fiend to ether one of us, now does it?? Like I said read his post, he is one of the worse.

          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=n ... 24QV8ygNgQ (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=news&cd=2&ved=0CCkQqQIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fid%3DQgAhAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DCnUFAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D3153%2C769904%26dq%3Daaron%2Bseymore%26hl%3Den&ei=3Wl6TODQCMfanAfg2vGdCw&usg=AFQjCNE4YC8Z2avX8dqqUVb724QV8ygNgQ)



          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... rDYSiM4Rew (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fornits.com%2Fphpbb%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D22%26t%3D30079%26p%3D359536&ei=gWp6TKm0J8apngfG3IWdCw&usg=AFQjCNGeOfRlTw61JOBq95lkrDYSiM4Rew)



          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... dbx8Dv0TQw (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBYQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.heal-online.org%2Feckerd.htm&ei=KWt6TI3iJtX_nAe9iKGdCw&usg=AFQjCNGCqey2TJ1_LXW-NnDIdbx8Dv0TQw)


          Yea Aaron is a real stand up guy :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :rofl:  :rofl:

          The most important thing to remember is,Seymore sought out the jobs he had,and not transfered in from the program he was in. So that means he like abusing people, and his past speaks volumes, Every place he worked was sited for abuse. Answer your own questions to that,?? Just Google his name.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 29, 2010, 10:34:43 AM
          Aaron has never been anything but nice to me. Dont know that I like him or otherise. Never met him

          what part of this did you not get ?
          I have no beef with Aaron
          I will correct Aaron's statement however.. I didnt return to Fornits untill well into the 30th or so page. I was also gone from here for many years prior to that. It was not by accident. Marky has been here a long time spewing hate and bile. Lying and stealing. Using his many screen names to accomplish ...... Marky.. what is it you have been trying to accomplish here for 8 years ?
          This started (at least for me) as a movement to shut down Elan. It became personalwhen Marky violated my privacy. Since having his half dozen "Hate Sites" removed.. He has been throwing this tantrum. He used to have a partner,or should I say,he used to use Sharon,and get her all riled up. But now that Sharon has some life challenges,she no longer participates,and see's Marky for what you are. Felice appears to have jumped on this bandwagon as well (with her other screen names) which is really kinda sad. She is a woman whom I have cared for a long time. but she is not herself anymore.
          I see you have capitalized,and used her up too Marky
          Seriously dude
          You should seek help
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 29, 2010, 10:52:25 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Aaron has never been anything but nice to me. Dont know that I like him or otherise. Never met him

          what part of this did you not get ?
          I have no beef with Aaron
          I will correct Aaron's statement however.. I didnt return to Fornits untill well into the 30th or so page. I was also gone from here for many years prior to that. It was not by accident. Marky has been here a long time spewing hate and bile. Lying and stealing. Using his many screen names to accomplish ...... Marky.. what is it you have been trying to accomplish here for 8 years ?
          This started (at least for me) as a movement to shut down Elan. It became personalwhen Marky violated my privacy. Since having his half dozen "Hate Sites" removed.. He has been throwing this tantrum. He used to have a partner,or should I say,he used to use Sharon,and get her all riled up. But now that Sharon has some life challenges,she no longer participates,and see's Marky for what you are. Felice appears to have jumped on this bandwagon as well (with her other screen names) which is really kinda sad. She is a woman whom I have cared for a long time. but she is not herself anymore.
          I see you have capitalized,and used her up too Marky
          Seriously dude
          You should seek help


          Don't blame me Farty, because Sharon and Felice escaped, I just showed them the door, and so did many others. Don't discount them for moron's , they are far from that. And can think on their own. As far as leading poor Sharon astray, That didn't stop you from stalking her, and her family, and the many threats and embarrassing statements you made to her. How about she shouldn't be raising dogs much less kid's statement,And then you call her with humble concern, :rofl:  :rofl: , She thought it was funny too,
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: photo man on August 29, 2010, 12:03:39 PM
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          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 29, 2010, 12:03:59 PM
          Marky oh Marky
          Tell the truth now Marky
          I didnt stalk anyone. Who said anything about being a moron?
          This is all part of the same sick game that you like to play because.... Could you tell us why you play this game Marky ?
          I said many things to Sharon that I regret. I would like to think,at the very least,we are beyond that. Maybe I am being "played". If that was to be the truth,its ok. In my heart,I know that my intentions are good. I am at peace with Sharon.
          Felice is a different kind of tragey that again you know nothing about,but will exploit as you see fit.
          Perhaps if you stopped playing the fool. This could be the last page in this thread. However its far from over,as you will learn shortly. These are not threats Marky. This is a done deal. This game is over.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 29, 2010, 06:58:52 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Marky oh Marky
          Tell the truth now Marky
          I didnt stalk anyone. Who said anything about being a moron?
          This is all part of the same sick game that you like to play because.... Could you tell us why you play this game Marky ?
          I said many things to Sharon that I regret. I would like to think,at the very least,we are beyond that. Maybe I am being "played". If that was to be the truth,its ok. In my heart,I know that my intentions are good. I am at peace with Sharon.
          Felice is a different kind of tragey that again you know nothing about,but will exploit as you see fit.
          Perhaps if you stopped playing the fool. This could be the last page in this thread. However its far from over,as you will learn shortly. These are not threats Marky. This is a done deal. This game is over.



          Hey Farty when I see this guy filling up his pool, and the song with it, well I think of you Buddy- :cheers:  :cheers:



          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... J__vpBn2sA (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CCEQtwIwBA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DOvyTY_oYR_c&ei=wOR6TKWuPNDNngfIosjBAQ&usg=AFQjCNHsty05LUmozA4365tdJ__vpBn2sA)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 29, 2010, 07:03:17 PM
          We are SO much alike Marky
          I was just thinking about you as well
          Then I wiped and flushed you
          the words,phrases and communications from a 50 yr old illiterete lonely little boy
          How very impressive Marky
          Grow up
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 29, 2010, 07:07:09 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          We are SO much alike Marky
          I was just thinking about you as well
          Then I wiped and flushed you
          the words,phrases and communications from a 50 yr old illiterete lonely little boy
          How very impressive Marky
          Grow up

          I can imagine every time your ass-hole swells, you think of me or one of my  many screen names, We have handed you your ass so many times

          So you didn't like the video,?? I figured it sized you up petty good, :beat:  :beat:
          Title: ELAN Danny
          Post by: Pile of shit on August 29, 2010, 07:11:21 PM
          viewtopic.php?f=22&t=31001 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=31001)

          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          Quote from: "WTF2"
          He's talking about Mary O's book oh and she's alive and well!

          No she is not, you disrespectful dumbass, ya know what Mary Gonzalas Wicklander, your a phony fuck if there ever was one.
          How in the hell did I ever know Mary O'Brien, please help me. She doesn't even know me. She doesn't even have her years at Elan right or where she was. If she was in Elan 2a I would have trouble knowing her, I have asked two other Directors who were there at the time she was and they don't remember her being there that long. I really don't care either way.

          The Mary O'Brian that came to Elan after me, that I knew was at E-3 then transferred to E-4 because she split, I then had transferred to E-7 in middle part of 78, was then transferred back to E-4 after I left because she ran again, which everyone I know seems to remember.

          I am not making fun of this at all but what I find despicable is the way Matt and yourself are flaunting this girl around who obviously has issues and using her to prove some obscure sick point to discredit me. Matt and yourself would know her, Matt would know her better naturally because as she has stated she was in Waterford, Me. most of her time.

          Mary Wicklander as I told you in a PM on the Elan Alumni Site, your a piece of shit along with Matt, for dragging me into this stupid charade.

          "He's talking about Mary O's book", No dumbass I am talking about Wayne K. book he is publishing in 2012. This is what I mean, you have no idea what the fuck your talking about, hence your user name WTF?????

          Please, in the future sleazebag, leave me out of your sick twisted shit. I am sure your Elan buddies can appease you.
          Title: Re: ELAN Danny
          Post by: mark babitz on August 29, 2010, 07:19:48 PM
          Quote from: "Pile of shit"
          http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=31001

          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          Quote from: "WTF2"
          He's talking about Mary O's book oh and she's alive and well!

          No she is not, you disrespectful dumbass, ya know what Mary Gonzalas Wicklander, your a phony fuck if there ever was one.
          How in the hell did I ever know Mary O'Brien, please help me. She doesn't even know me. She doesn't even have her years at Elan right or where she was. If she was in Elan 2a I would have trouble knowing her, I have asked two other Directors who were there at the time she was and they don't remember her being there that long. I really don't care either way.

          The Mary O'Brian that came to Elan after me, that I knew was at E-3 then transferred to E-4 because she split, I then had transferred to E-7 in middle part of 78, was then transferred back to E-4 after I left because she ran again, which everyone I know seems to remember.

          I am not making fun of this at all but what I find despicable is the way Matt and yourself are flaunting this girl around who obviously has issues and using her to prove some obscure sick point to discredit me. Matt and yourself would know her, Matt would know her better naturally because as she has stated she was in Waterford, Me. most of her time.

          Mary Wicklander as I told you in a PM on the Elan Alumni Site, your a piece of shit along with Matt, for dragging me into this stupid charade.

          "He's talking about Mary O's book", No dumbass I am talking about Wayne K. book he is publishing in 2012. This is what I mean, you have no idea what the fuck your talking about, hence your user name WTF?????

          Please, in the future sleazebag, leave me out of your sick twisted shit. I am sure your Elan buddies can appease you.


          Mary O, was there with me in 74-75 and then I believe she stayed there longer, She was pretty beat around there and went threw hell. I don't know if she had any issues, but she was very shy and meek, and they drove her, like a stolen car. I felt very bed for her, and the abuses none of us could stop while we were there.I have heard she wrote a book or had a hand in it, I don't know, But Mary O'Brian was and is a very nice girl, :rocker:  :rocker:  :peace:  :peace:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 29, 2010, 07:48:23 PM
          Hey Farty just listen to it again, I think you misunderstood. :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:



          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... J__vpBn2sA (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CCEQtwIwBA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DOvyTY_oYR_c&ei=wOR6TKWuPNDNngfIosjBAQ&usg=AFQjCNHsty05LUmozA4365tdJ__vpBn2sA)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 29, 2010, 07:50:41 PM
          I see your lurking around Farty, :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 29, 2010, 07:54:44 PM
          Oh Marky
          Yer such a genius... I never open a link provided by you. I am sure its something vile,and childish. Kinda like the last 60 pages of drivel that you've written. You really are deteriorating fast. (Not sure I spelled that right,but you would never know)
          Dont you have anything to do but sit here all night and whine about Arty ?
          How pathetic
          I am waiting to see a band tonight. You should come.Its just down the street.
          Will buy ya your 1st beer
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 29, 2010, 07:56:34 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Oh Marky
          Yer such a genius... I never open a link provided by you. I am sure its something vile,and childish. Kinda like the last 60 pages of drivel that you've written. You really are deteriorating fast. (Not sure I spelled that right,but you would never know)
          Dont you have anything to do but sit here all night and whine about Arty ?
          How pathetic
          I am waiting to see a band tonight. You should come.Its just down the street.
          Will buy ya your 1st beer


          Thanks , but Blarney's is too hot and buggy.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 29, 2010, 07:58:32 PM
          fArt are you sucking b balls cock this evening? You know you love to swallow 8 balls he/she juice because you are a snowballing homosexual. How about them turd suasages? Eat any? :roflmao: fArt is the only pedophile out there that likes to eat his fecal matter and also grills it! ::puke::
          Here's to ya fella  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Pile of shit on August 29, 2010, 08:10:33 PM
          ART fuck you.  WOW!!!   ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 29, 2010, 08:43:07 PM
          Kinda nasty Marky
          I dont go to Blarney's except for a bottle of water once in a while
          And Felice
          Whatever I write would be useless
          Bless you Felice
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Pile of Dead Kids on August 29, 2010, 08:45:21 PM
          You don't go to a bar except for a bottle of water once in a while?

          This thread needs some kind of archive in mankind's history of epic failure.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 30, 2010, 08:53:58 AM
          Quote from: "Pile of Dead Kids"
          You don't go to a bar except for a bottle of water once in a while?

          This thread needs some kind of archive in mankind's history of epic failure.



          ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Botched Programming on August 30, 2010, 09:05:17 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Kinda nasty Marky
          I dont go to Blarney's except for a bottle of water and a big glass of scotch to purify the water once in a while
          And Felice
          Whatever I write would be useless
          Bless you Felice


          Please notice in the red print above... I alterd his post to make it read properly...  :seg:

          Cheers Arty.... :cheers:

          Much peace and healing
           :peace:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 30, 2010, 09:22:34 AM
          Havent had a drink since the early 90's. Just not my deal anymore.
          Blarney's is a shithole,and will have to agree with Marky that its too damn hot and "buggy"
          Tho I do stop there sometimes, when in the Chain to get a bottle of water
          But only if there is an inside slip... Outside slips beat the crap outa my boat
          Too many assholes
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 30, 2010, 10:00:55 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Havent had a drink since the early 90's. Just not my deal anymore.
          Blarney's is a shithole,and will have to agree with Marky that its too damn hot and "buggy"
          Tho I do stop there sometimes, when in the Chain to get a bottle of water
          But only if there is an inside slip... Outside slips beat the crap outa my boat
          Too many assholes


          In the hay day it was the spot, I use to sell Hailings there cars, I probably spelled the name wrong, Strange family.But Blarney's was the spot, bikinis on the ceiling and all the drunks you could deal with., It hasn't changed much, and boy looking back 20 years it is and was a shit- hole.

          Now days with all the cops, and drunk boater's it's not such a great place, no A/C and very hot and stinky.only Porto Johns and no ventilation. But I guess drunks don't pay attention. And it's kind of a novelty to people, not from around here because it's an island. I take a pass, when I troll by it,not interested in the drunkenness and stupidity, I just don't have the patients anymore, and don't need to go to jail for knocking some drunk out . Those days are well behind me, but not forgotten by some.

           :rocker:  :rocker:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Botched Programming on August 30, 2010, 10:02:22 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Havent had a drink since the early 90's. Just not my deal anymore.
          Blarney's is a shithole,and will have to agree with Marky that its too damn hot and "buggy"
          Tho I do stop there sometimes, when in the Chain to get a bottle of water
          But only if there is an inside slip... Outside slips beat the crap outa my boat
          Too many assholes

          I understand about the boat... dang this cost too much to get them beat all to hell...I live in FL and seen too many nice boats go down...

          PS... Just messing with ya about the scotch... I don't drink and drive my boat either...
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anne Bonney on August 30, 2010, 10:12:07 AM
          http://big1059.com/cc-common/news/secti ... le=7525956 (http://big1059.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=122821&article=7525956)

          PIC: Yacht Mysteriously Washes Up, Fla. Gulf Coast

          The yacht, called Makin Waves, was most recently registered in Delaware.
          Thursday, August 26, 2010

          A 48-foot yacht has mysteriously run ashore on Florida's Gulf Coast, west of St. Petersburg.

          Detectives are still trying to figure out who owns the luxurious 48 Sundancer, which sells for about $1 million new.

          No one has reported it lost or stolen. The only sign of foul play was the still-churning engine that propelled the ship onto Redington Beach.

          The Coast Guard launched a search by air and sea Wednesday, but suspended it before dusk after nothing turned up.

          The yacht, called Makin Waves, was most recently registered in Delaware. A Mexican flag is fixed on the bow, but an American flag flies at the stern.

          Investigators found a previous owner, but say the ship probably wasn't registered after the sale and may have changed hands again.


          (http://http://big1059.com/cc-common/mlib/1175/08/1175_1282830201.jpg)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anne Bonney on August 30, 2010, 10:13:22 AM
          http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafe ... in/1118336 (http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/accidents/rescuers-break-window-to-save-elderly-couple-after-car-goes-over-dunedin/1118336)

          Rescuers break window to save elderly couple after car goes over Dunedin seawall

          By David DeCamp, Times Staff Writer
          In Print: Monday, August 30, 2010

          (http://http://www.tampabay.com/multimedia/archive/00137/A4S_car083010_137642c.jpg)

          DUNEDIN — As his boat started out from Dunedin Marina, Courtney Douthit glanced back to a shock Sunday.

          A Mercury Marquis accelerated from a parking space, over the seawall and into the harbor. A couple in their 80s were inside.

          Douthit halted his boat and jumped into 6 feet of water. He was joined by two others, and they saved the couple by shattering the car's rear window with a fire extinguisher and their bare hands, and pulling them out as they sank.

          "It could have been your grandparents, that's part of the deal," said Douthit, an electrician and part-time fishing guide. "We were there at perfect timing."

          Joseph Schlesselman, 89, and his wife, Ruth, 86, had come to the marina Sunday afternoon to watch the boats.

          Joseph Schlesselman began to park in a handicapped space, but hit the gas instead of the brake, authorities said. Their car jumped the seawall and landed in an empty boat slip, the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office said.

          That triggered a dramatic rescue by Douthit, 32, of Dunedin, Joseph Sentelik, 48, of Land O'Lakes and Eric Corum, 42, of Tarpon Springs.

          "Definitely true heroes," said Dunedin Fire Rescue Division Chief Bill McElligott.

          Nancy Williams, a manager at the Bon Appetit restaurant across the street, saw the car being parked as she went to a storage room. She heard a scrape and looked again to see the car accelerating over concrete parking blocks. The car teetered on the seawall a moment. Then it gunned into the water.

          She said she ran inside, yelling to co-workers to call 911.

          As the rescuers tried to get in the car, she ran outside and saw the couple.

          "They were trying to keep their mouths open above the water," she said.

          Finally, Douthit smashed the rear window with an extinguisher from his boat. Sentelik peeled the shattered glass away with his hands. The rescuers managed to push the seat belt button and pull the couple out.

          The husband appeared to have scraped his head and left behind a prosthetic leg, Douthit said.

          "I'm an electrician. I see a lot of stuff that could lead to people's deaths, but not that close," he said.

          The Sheriff's Office said the couple received minor injuries. A woman who answered the couple's phone declined comment.

          Sentelik was cut from the glass and taken to an emergency room for treatment.

          Douthit ended his day with his wife, Meredith, and son, Gabriel, 2, the way he had intended.

          Fishing.

          David DeCamp can be reached at [email protected] or (727) 893-8779.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 31, 2010, 08:16:32 AM
          Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
          http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/accidents/rescuers-break-window-to-save-elderly-couple-after-car-goes-over-dunedin/1118336

          Rescuers break window to save elderly couple after car goes over Dunedin seawall

          By David DeCamp, Times Staff Writer
          In Print: Monday, August 30, 2010

          (http://http://www.tampabay.com/multimedia/archive/00137/A4S_car083010_137642c.jpg)

          DUNEDIN — As his boat started out from Dunedin Marina, Courtney Douthit glanced back to a shock Sunday.

          A Mercury Marquis accelerated from a parking space, over the seawall and into the harbor. A couple in their 80s were inside.

          Douthit halted his boat and jumped into 6 feet of water. He was joined by two others, and they saved the couple by shattering the car's rear window with a fire extinguisher and their bare hands, and pulling them out as they sank.

          "It could have been your grandparents, that's part of the deal," said Douthit, an electrician and part-time fishing guide. "We were there at perfect timing."

          Joseph Schlesselman, 89, and his wife, Ruth, 86, had come to the marina Sunday afternoon to watch the boats.

          Joseph Schlesselman began to park in a handicapped space, but hit the gas instead of the brake, authorities said. Their car jumped the seawall and landed in an empty boat slip, the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office said.

          That triggered a dramatic rescue by Douthit, 32, of Dunedin, Joseph Sentelik, 48, of Land O'Lakes and Eric Corum, 42, of Tarpon Springs.

          "Definitely true heroes," said Dunedin Fire Rescue Division Chief Bill McElligott.

          Nancy Williams, a manager at the Bon Appetit restaurant across the street, saw the car being parked as she went to a storage room. She heard a scrape and looked again to see the car accelerating over concrete parking blocks. The car teetered on the seawall a moment. Then it gunned into the water.

          She said she ran inside, yelling to co-workers to call 911.

          As the rescuers tried to get in the car, she ran outside and saw the couple.

          "They were trying to keep their mouths open above the water," she said.

          Finally, Douthit smashed the rear window with an extinguisher from his boat. Sentelik peeled the shattered glass away with his hands. The rescuers managed to push the seat belt button and pull the couple out.

          The husband appeared to have scraped his head and left behind a prosthetic leg, Douthit said.

          "I'm an electrician. I see a lot of stuff that could lead to people's deaths, but not that close," he said.

          The Sheriff's Office said the couple received minor injuries. A woman who answered the couple's phone declined comment.

          Sentelik was cut from the glass and taken to an emergency room for treatment.

          Douthit ended his day with his wife, Meredith, and son, Gabriel, 2, the way he had intended.

          Fishing.

          David DeCamp can be reached at [email protected] or (727) 893-8779.



          Man that sounds like one terrible time for those folks, Thank God some people were there to help.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anne Bonney on August 31, 2010, 10:54:51 AM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
          http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/accidents/rescuers-break-window-to-save-elderly-couple-after-car-goes-over-dunedin/1118336

          Rescuers break window to save elderly couple after car goes over Dunedin seawall

          By David DeCamp, Times Staff Writer
          In Print: Monday, August 30, 2010

          (http://http://www.tampabay.com/multimedia/archive/00137/A4S_car083010_137642c.jpg)

          DUNEDIN — As his boat started out from Dunedin Marina, Courtney Douthit glanced back to a shock Sunday.

          A Mercury Marquis accelerated from a parking space, over the seawall and into the harbor. A couple in their 80s were inside.

          Douthit halted his boat and jumped into 6 feet of water. He was joined by two others, and they saved the couple by shattering the car's rear window with a fire extinguisher and their bare hands, and pulling them out as they sank.

          "It could have been your grandparents, that's part of the deal," said Douthit, an electrician and part-time fishing guide. "We were there at perfect timing."

          Joseph Schlesselman, 89, and his wife, Ruth, 86, had come to the marina Sunday afternoon to watch the boats.

          Joseph Schlesselman began to park in a handicapped space, but hit the gas instead of the brake, authorities said. Their car jumped the seawall and landed in an empty boat slip, the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office said.

          That triggered a dramatic rescue by Douthit, 32, of Dunedin, Joseph Sentelik, 48, of Land O'Lakes and Eric Corum, 42, of Tarpon Springs.

          "Definitely true heroes," said Dunedin Fire Rescue Division Chief Bill McElligott.

          Nancy Williams, a manager at the Bon Appetit restaurant across the street, saw the car being parked as she went to a storage room. She heard a scrape and looked again to see the car accelerating over concrete parking blocks. The car teetered on the seawall a moment. Then it gunned into the water.

          She said she ran inside, yelling to co-workers to call 911.

          As the rescuers tried to get in the car, she ran outside and saw the couple.

          "They were trying to keep their mouths open above the water," she said.

          Finally, Douthit smashed the rear window with an extinguisher from his boat. Sentelik peeled the shattered glass away with his hands. The rescuers managed to push the seat belt button and pull the couple out.

          The husband appeared to have scraped his head and left behind a prosthetic leg, Douthit said.

          "I'm an electrician. I see a lot of stuff that could lead to people's deaths, but not that close," he said.

          The Sheriff's Office said the couple received minor injuries. A woman who answered the couple's phone declined comment.

          Sentelik was cut from the glass and taken to an emergency room for treatment.

          Douthit ended his day with his wife, Meredith, and son, Gabriel, 2, the way he had intended.

          Fishing.

          David DeCamp can be reached at [email protected] or (727) 893-8779.



          Man that sounds like one terrible time for those folks, Thank God some people were there to help.


          Yeah, you'd be surprised how often this happens down here.  They hit the gas instead of the breaks and either end up in the water or through a storefront.  I really do feel badly for them, but there does come a time when the elderly need to give up their license to drive.  There are a lot of companies that provide low or zero cost transportation for them.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Botched Programming on August 31, 2010, 11:04:09 AM
          Living in FL if you ever go to a Walmart you will see little old people in cars that are banged to hell and you know these people should not even be behind the wheel of a car... Me I live near Dunedin and prior to living here I was in West Palm Beach which is even worse with the Haitians and the old people, neither of which can drive..  ::OMG::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 31, 2010, 07:58:17 PM
          Here in Chicago, they only go in the water when their pushed, :rofl:  :rofl: , I know in Las Vegas and California it's everyone for themselves. Arizona gets a little harry in the mountains, with the old folks poking along. Like I said, Thank God they weren't hurt bad, :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 31, 2010, 08:11:12 PM
          :cheers:
          Title: nothing
          Post by: Eliscu2 on August 31, 2010, 08:14:55 PM
          :eek:
          Title: Re: WEAPON OF MASS HYSTERIA WITH OCTOSLUT
          Post by: mark babitz on August 31, 2010, 08:28:07 PM
          Quote from: "Eliscu2"
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Here in Chicago, they only go in the water when their pushed, :rofl:  :rofl: , I know in Las Vegas and California it's everyone for themselves. Arizona gets a little harry in the mountains, with the old folks poking along. Like I said, Thank God they weren't hurt bad, :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:


          hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
          I REALLY HAVE TO ASK MYSELF "WHAT WOULD COUNTESS BATHORY DO?"
          "WHAT WOULD ATTILLA THE HUN DO?"
          "WHAT WOULD VLAD DRACULA DO?"
          "WHAT WOULD SLAYER DO?"
          "WHAT WOULD THE MOSSAD DO?"

          MARK I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU LIVE.
          SO DOES MR. WARSHAWSKY.


                       :rocker:  :rocker:   Hi Felice, hows it going,??  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 31, 2010, 09:19:50 PM
          Looks like " Pan Face Marty ", has taken the show on the road to the race track,  


          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... uSMh5k5ryA (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CCcQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hauntedhayridesmaine.com%2F&ei=qal9TK-7EI_dnAfCkeydCw&usg=AFQjCNH1l9SFHrfXWpUcxsGUuSMh5k5ryA)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 31, 2010, 09:24:48 PM
          Sharon Terry

          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=n ... 4omOYt-T7A (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=news&cd=1&ved=0CCoQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.journaltribune.com%2Farticles%2F2010%2F08%2F30%2Fnews%2Fdoc4c7bc5a5235d9472428892.txt&ei=wap9TKeMF5GOnwf3r5H4AQ&usg=AFQjCNETBPJW1yaVd4fngYpV4omOYt-T7A)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on August 31, 2010, 09:31:27 PM
          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=n ... wUbd_R5sGA (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=news&cd=3&ved=0CC0QqQIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fid%3DcA0gAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3Do2UFAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D2248%2C3494484%26dq%3Dsharon%2Bterry%2Belan%26hl%3Den&ei=5Kt9TOqvMIGpngfJ5NXBAQ&usg=AFQjCNEG9zTkjXoerU8nPngNwUbd_R5sGA)

          Elan Riot in 1992, ::OMG::

          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=n ... 4U3kKtJA-Q (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=news&cd=5&ved=0CDMQqQIwBA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fid%3Dou4pAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DSGUFAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D3156%2C1606388%26dq%3Dsharon%2Bterry%2Belan%26hl%3Den&ei=5Kt9TOqvMIGpngfJ5NXBAQ&usg=AFQjCNGUBtO9YX-rrBtjaxub4U3kKtJA-Q)


          http://www.google.com/url?url=http://ne ... wdb49AMjag (http://www.google.com/url?url=http://news.google.com/newspapers%3Fid%3Dou4pAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DSGUFAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D4231,1626147%26dq%3Dsharon%2Bterry%2Belan%26hl%3Den&rct=j&sa=X&ei=5Kt9TOqvMIGpngfJ5NXBAQ&ved=0CDYQqQIoATAE&q=sharon+terry+elan&usg=AFQjCNFdwHYC9TmBJrlpi5j4wdb49AMjag)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB II on August 31, 2010, 11:27:54 PM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Sharon Terry

          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=n ... 4omOYt-T7A (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=news&cd=1&ved=0CCoQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.journaltribune.com%2Farticles%2F2010%2F08%2F30%2Fnews%2Fdoc4c7bc5a5235d9472428892.txt&ei=wap9TKeMF5GOnwf3r5H4AQ&usg=AFQjCNETBPJW1yaVd4fngYpV4omOYt-T7A)


          Mark call me I have some info for you. Please. 404-936-6141
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Che Gookin on September 01, 2010, 12:12:29 AM
          One of these days you fellows should whip up some sort of wiki article or something that explains who the hell these fuckers are.

          Like Panface Marty, that is an easy one. Isn't he that faggot who rides the water buffalo? As for the rest, no idea.

          Sharon Terry? Who is she and how is she involved?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB II on September 01, 2010, 12:33:23 AM
          Guys have some info for ya.
           
          Got a call from a resident from 30 years ago today. Actually at lunch time. She pick my phone # off the Elan Alum Site.
          We chit chatted a bit found out she arrived around Sept of 1977 and stayed until 1979. She is from Chicago and I do not have permission to say who she is.

          Anyway she went on to tell me she had a conversation with Jeffery Gottlieb last Wenesday 8/25/10. In the course of this conversation Jeffery explained to her that Elan had been reduced to one house E-3 and that only 41 students resided there. That by late spring of next year after Graduation, that Elan would be closing down. She went on to say that Jeffery was retiring after next year, that there was nothing more to do. Sharon no longer really wanted to keep Elan open, that the building E-3 showed the affects of being neglected, all the houses other then E-3 had been sold off with the land.

          Folks I have called others to verify this and it looks at this point to be valid info.
           
          Man, I say bravo to the folks who have worked their asses off to see this day, many folks behind the scenes pushed and badgered many employees to stop the madness, most listened and moved on while others did not.
          Why, no one I knew ever reported abuse or brought lawsuits against Elan, I am sad to say, "I just don't know". I don't have a answer why I sat around waiting for so many years and did nothing, I can not blame others.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 01, 2010, 07:26:17 AM
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          Guys have some info for ya.
           
          Got a call from a resident from 30 years ago today. Actually at lunch time. She pick my phone # off the Elan Alum Site.
          We chit chatted a bit found out she arrived around Sept of 1977 and stayed until 1979. She is from Chicago and I do not have permission to say who she is.

          Anyway she went on to tell me she had a conversation with Jeffery Gottlieb last Wenesday 8/25/10. In the course of this conversation Jeffery explained to her that Elan had been reduced to one house E-3 and that only 41 students resided there. That by late spring of next year after Graduation, that Elan would be closing down. She went on to say that Jeffery was retiring after next year, that there was nothing more to do. Sharon no longer really wanted to keep Elan open, that the building E-3 showed the affects of being neglected, all the houses other then E-3 had been sold off with the land.

          Folks I have called others to verify this and it looks at this point to be valid info.
           
          Man, I say bravo to the folks who have worked their asses off to see this day, many folks behind the scenes pushed and badgered many employees to stop the madness, most listened and moved on while others did not.
          Why, no one I knew ever reported abuse or brought lawsuits against Elan, I am sad to say, "I just don't know". I don't have a answer why I sat around waiting for so many years and did nothing, I can not blame others.

          This is great news. Who couldnt celebrate on the day these criminals close their doors ?
          Fact is,its been said this day has been coming. I am not suprised,in fact Ive been expecting it. Thanks for reporting this Danny
          Now you can go back to seeking your attention in the 50-75 threads a day that you neeed to be the center of attention in,hated,and acting out. I have never met someone as needy as you Danny. So needy,that you will trash the traditions of a 12 step program that you claim saved your life. Not only are you disrespectful of others,and their opinions. But you consistantly see that AA gets trashed as well. I find you offensive and foul.
          You may spin this any way you want. But you sound anything but grateful. B Wilson is rolling over in his grave
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 01, 2010, 07:43:26 AM
          Now you can go back to seeking your attention in the 50-75 threads a day that you neeed to be the center of attention in,hated,and acting out. I have never met someone as needy as you Danny. So needy,that you will trash the traditions of a 12 step program that you claim saved your life. Not only are you disrespectful of others,and their opinions. But you consistantly see that AA gets trashed as well. I find you offensive and foul.
          You may spin this any way you want. But you sound anything but grateful. B Wilson is rolling over in his grave[/quote]
          10. Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the A.A. name ought never be drawn into public controversy.  EVER READTHIS ONE DANNY ?

          11. Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio and films. AND INTERNET

          12. Anonymity is the spiritual foundation of all our traditions, ever reminding us to place principles before personalities.
           
          You are and have been a dancing fool. I bet you are back to drinking and drugging. Nothing you will ever say will convice me otherwise. I just wanted to make sure you remembered these traditions that you have personally beatup and destroyed here at Fornits for your own personal 15 minutes of fame
          Shame on you
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 01, 2010, 09:35:58 AM
          Quote from: "Che Gookin"
          One of these days you fellows should whip up some sort of wiki article or something that explains who the hell these fuckers are.

          Like Panface Marty, that is an easy one. Isn't he that faggot who rides the water buffalo? As for the rest, no idea.

          Sharon Terry? Who is she and how is she involved?


          http://www.elanschool.com/about.htm (http://www.elanschool.com/about.htm)



          Terry was Joe Ricci wife     Wiki


          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... bt0rEzNU_Q (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&sqi=2&ved=0CBoQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F%25C3%2589lan_School&ei=jlF-TO7TNpPtngfqqa3wAQ&usg=AFQjCNH-PD0pMs8E5Mj_j7Zwbt0rEzNU_Q)




          Just Google Pan Face, AKA Mary Kruglik, :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:


          His family history is bellow, They say he is a Zuni, Indian Not a Chicagojo Nor Navajo , and so live's the legend of Pan Face and his Father, Dad was the head shrink at the States Ville Prison in Ill, for over 40 years, That Prison is still one of the worst in the country, I was there for 5 years back in 77-82, never had the privilege of meeting Dr Pan Face, but did hear of him. Kind of a spooky guy, But so is Pan Face, one has to imagine what Pan Face did to get thrown out of Psychiatrist Fathers home, If anyone was equipped to handle problems and violence it should have been his father. He could run a prisons psych problems, but not his own,?? Pan Face pulled something that could't be tolerated, and he was  banished, Probably threw Dr Marvin Swartz, who was very active in Elan placements, and worked with the courts very closely, considering the good Dr.  also had a law degree and practiced.


            http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... whwn51uT7A (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Farticles.chicagotribune.com%2F2010-05-18%2Ffeatures%2Fct-met-0516-obit-kruglik-20100515_1_buffalo-high-school-richard-speck-psychiatry&ei=o1J-TNC7D4OTnQf75aTwAQ&usg=AFQjCNHekYUMhQ4pb25L0kiowhwn51uT7A)



          Pan Face's Father, and him look scary alike, just shave the stash off of Dad, and you have a Zuni Pan Face Marty. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:



          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... lrqXdZ5Kdg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&sqi=2&ved=0CBwQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbadlawyernyc.blogspot.com%2F2010%2F05%2Fmeyer-kruglik-md-psychiatrist-who.html&ei=o1J-TNC7D4OTnQf75aTwAQ&usg=AFQjCNFESA3yZoaEFrh1DKaylrqXdZ5Kdg)


          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... 5hxl_7F5fQ (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&sqi=2&ved=0CB8QFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.legacy.com%2Fobituaries%2Fchicagotribune%2Fobituary.aspx%3Fn%3Dmeyer-kruglik%26pid%3D142695957&ei=o1J-TNC7D4OTnQf75aTwAQ&usg=AFQjCNEEK_ImO_rj9Pbd2J4q5hxl_7F5fQ)


          Decades of the reports and stories of Pan Face. ::OMG::  ::OMG::


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          Elan was a very different and horrifying place  back in the 70's, Things went on that normal minds couldn't even think of. Not to take anything away from the folks at Straights Inc.

          viewforum.php?f=7 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=7)

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight,_Incorporated (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight,_Incorporated)


           or some of the other really bad places. I just think the Sembler way of doing things were very close to Elan, as well as Day Top was another mad house.Those places really got into their work, in a very negative and abusive way. Thank God Straight's Inc is gone, hopefully Elan next. :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Botched Programming on September 01, 2010, 09:53:19 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Now you can go back to seeking your attention in the 50-75 threads a day that you neeed to be the center of attention in,hated,and acting out. I have never met someone as needy as you Danny. So needy,that you will trash the traditions of a 12 step program that you claim saved your life. Not only are you disrespectful of others,and their opinions. But you consistantly see that AA gets trashed as well. I find you offensive and foul.
          You may spin this any way you want. But you sound anything but grateful. B Wilson is rolling over in his grave

          10. Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the A.A. name ought never be drawn into public controversy.  EVER READTHIS ONE DANNY ?

          11. Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio and films. AND INTERNET

          12. Anonymity is the spiritual foundation of all our traditions, ever reminding us to place principles before personalities.
           
          You are and have been a dancing fool. I bet you are back to drinking and drugging. Nothing you will ever say will convice me otherwise. I just wanted to make sure you remembered these traditions that you have personally beatup and destroyed here at Fornits for your own personal 15 minutes of fame
          Shame on you

          There are those who suffer from grave emotional and mental disorders , but they too can recover if they have the ability to be honest with themselves.

          I have to say Arty... I don't agree on many post that are made, however on this one you nailed it.. I also appreciate the fact that you put in some sources from the AA Traditions. If a person is in fact a member of said orginization should they not follow these Traditions to the best of their ability?? I ask this question not to point any fingers but only to validate what you have stated.

          Excellent post     :seg:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 01, 2010, 10:30:33 AM
          I wonder if Pan Face or Gottlieb, and the crew would ever do this.?? But those folks at Straight play hard ball with their tormentors. And don't let up, It's quite educational to watch how the Survivor's really brought the game to Straight's and stuck it in Mal Semblers ass. I wish the Elan folks as a group could do the same, drop all of our own little wars, and attack the real enemy,. I only use Straight Survivors as an example ,because they ran and run a no holds bared attack, and truly stand up as a group, against Sembler and his Mob. Look at some of their video's, they are as bad as Channel 5 News, they get right in the thick of it and don't back down, Amen to all of them.


          http://www.nunya.com/index.php/2009/01/ ... survivors/ (http://www.nunya.com/index.php/2009/01/05/apology-to-straight-inc-survivors/)

          http://ficanetwork.net/straight/apology/ (http://ficanetwork.net/straight/apology/)



          P.S. After we are done, truly tormenting  Elan, and succeeding in their demises, and their are people out here that have allot to offer, like Jeff,  http://theelanschool.tumblr.com/ (http://theelanschool.tumblr.com/)  he has done a great job getting things and comments out there, in a professional format , not crazy rambling or bazaar video's,

            http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... ydodPj8x8A (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&sqi=2&ved=0CBUQtwIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dm2qjFT9Pimg&ei=E2d-TOWJAdntnQez--nwAQ&usg=AFQjCNG2mdBohc_6b9sb0IKdydodPj8x8A)

          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... 8H7mPFsF9A (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBIQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DzpZb-ciWXCA&ei=E2d-TOWJAdntnQez--nwAQ&usg=AFQjCNHhTaTmYcDTRqLYpJUU8H7mPFsF9A)

          Most conservative folk's that can afford Elan's services, would not understand nor take this type of stuff seriously. It's strange, and out there, kind of like the problems the parents are dealing with at home already, Jeff W. Takes a more professional subdued way of going at it, with great photo format and the whole layout is very prepositionally done. I believe that is what Jeff does ,is a web designer. He is a great guy and very smart. :rocker:  :rocker:

          Then we can all go back to our perspective feuds, and wars, and bashing of each other.

          But taking a break from that just might stop some of the feuds and bashings,??
          Common ground can be strong and forgiving, :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :peace:  :peace:  :cheers:  :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Botched Programming on September 01, 2010, 10:43:25 AM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          I wonder if Pan Face or Gottlieb, and the crew would ever do this.?? But those folks at Straight play hard ball with their tormentors. And don't let up, It's quite educational to watch how the Survivor's really brought the game to Straight's and stuck it in Mal Semblers ass. I wish the Elan folks as a group could do the same, drop all of our own little wars, and attack the real enemy,. I only use Straight Survivors as an example ,because they ran and run a no holds bared attack, and truly stand up as a group, against Sembler and his Mob. Look at some of their video's, they are as bad as Channel 5 News, they get right in the thick of it and don't back down, Amen to all of them.


          http://www.nunya.com/index.php/2009/01/ ... survivors/ (http://www.nunya.com/index.php/2009/01/05/apology-to-straight-inc-survivors/)

          http://ficanetwork.net/straight/apology/ (http://ficanetwork.net/straight/apology/)

          You've got that right we who endured Straight play hard ball and refuse to submit..

          Thank you Mark for your post.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anne Bonney on September 01, 2010, 10:55:33 AM
          Quote from: "Botched Programming"
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          I wonder if Pan Face or Gottlieb, and the crew would ever do this.?? But those folks at Straight play hard ball with their tormentors. And don't let up, It's quite educational to watch how the Survivor's really brought the game to Straight's and stuck it in Mal Semblers ass. I wish the Elan folks as a group could do the same, drop all of our own little wars, and attack the real enemy,. I only use Straight Survivors as an example ,because they ran and run a no holds bared attack, and truly stand up as a group, against Sembler and his Mob. Look at some of their video's, they are as bad as Channel 5 News, they get right in the thick of it and don't back down, Amen to all of them.


          http://www.nunya.com/index.php/2009/01/ ... survivors/ (http://www.nunya.com/index.php/2009/01/05/apology-to-straight-inc-survivors/)

          http://ficanetwork.net/straight/apology/ (http://ficanetwork.net/straight/apology/)

          You've got that right we who endured Straight play hard ball and refuse to submit..

          Thank you Mark for your post.


          For years after getting out Newton still scared the hell out of me, especially because I lived close to him.  Then when my dear friends RTP, Kpickle and others and I went to "confront" him, I realized he's nothing more than a wanna-be guru and total control freak.  When we were in Straight, we couldn't speak our minds and wouldn't dare (at least I wouldn't...too scared) to even question what was being done to us. When I saw him later, out here in the real world he showed himself for what he truly is....a malignant narcissist (even his neighbors see this and they had no idea of his past) and it drove him absolutely NUTS that he couldn't call the shots or shut me up.  He couldn't slam us to the ground for speaking like he did when we were 'inside'.  It was one of the single most healing things I've ever done.  For so long I saw him as the boogey man but in real life, he's just a pussy that hides behind either his Straight director status or now, the cloak of religion.  

          It may be time for another visit.   :seg2:

          He's a sad, pathetic shell of a man now.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Botched Programming on September 01, 2010, 11:00:22 AM
          Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
          Quote from: "Botched Programming"
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          I wonder if Pan Face or Gottlieb, and the crew would ever do this.?? But those folks at Straight play hard ball with their tormentors. And don't let up, It's quite educational to watch how the Survivor's really brought the game to Straight's and stuck it in Mal Semblers ass. I wish the Elan folks as a group could do the same, drop all of our own little wars, and attack the real enemy,. I only use Straight Survivors as an example ,because they ran and run a no holds bared attack, and truly stand up as a group, against Sembler and his Mob. Look at some of their video's, they are as bad as Channel 5 News, they get right in the thick of it and don't back down, Amen to all of them.


          http://www.nunya.com/index.php/2009/01/ ... survivors/ (http://www.nunya.com/index.php/2009/01/05/apology-to-straight-inc-survivors/)

          http://ficanetwork.net/straight/apology/ (http://ficanetwork.net/straight/apology/)

          You've got that right we who endured Straight play hard ball and refuse to submit..

          Thank you Mark for your post.


          For years after getting out Newton still scared the hell out of me, especially because I lived close to him.  Then when my dear friends RTP, Kpickle and others and I went to "confront" him, I realized he's nothing more than a wanna-be guru and total control freak.  When we were in Straight, we couldn't speak our minds and wouldn't dare (at least I wouldn't...too scared) to even question what was being done to us. When I saw him later, out here in the real world he showed himself for what he truly is....a malignant narcissist (even his neighbors see this and they had no idea of his past) and it drove him absolutely NUTS that he couldn't call the shots or shut me up.  He couldn't slam us to the ground for speaking like he did when we were 'inside'.  It was one of the single most healing things I've ever done.  For so long I saw him as the boogey man but in real life, he's just a pussy that hides behind either his Straight director status or now, the cloak of religion.  

          It may be time for another visit.   :seg2:

          He's a sad, pathetic shell of a man now.


          I want to go too Anne... It would do me good !!!!

          Might evenstop at an AA meeting on the way back and try to save a newcomer.... :seg:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 01, 2010, 11:06:11 AM
          Quote from: "Botched Programming"
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          I wonder if Pan Face or Gottlieb, and the crew would ever do this.?? But those folks at Straight play hard ball with their tormentors. And don't let up, It's quite educational to watch how the Survivor's really brought the game to Straight's and stuck it in Mal Semblers ass. I wish the Elan folks as a group could do the same, drop all of our own little wars, and attack the real enemy,. I only use Straight Survivors as an example ,because they ran and run a no holds bared attack, and truly stand up as a group, against Sembler and his Mob. Look at some of their video's, they are as bad as Channel 5 News, they get right in the thick of it and don't back down, Amen to all of them.


          http://www.nunya.com/index.php/2009/01/ ... survivors/ (http://www.nunya.com/index.php/2009/01/05/apology-to-straight-inc-survivors/)

          http://ficanetwork.net/straight/apology/ (http://ficanetwork.net/straight/apology/)

          You've got that right we who endured Straight play hard ball and refuse to submit..

          Thank you Mark for your post.


          Pan Face, and them have never had the pressure applied like you folks were able to do. And Elan folks can do it, We just have to pool all of our resources around the country. And stand strong like you guy's, I am so glad that you folks stood up to show others it can be done. They all need to read about Mel Sembler the "Mall God'  He owns more strip malls than anyone in the U.S.A. and his great political influences with his ambassador ships, and he fell and was defeated by Striaght Survivors, No one is bullet proof. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 01, 2010, 11:08:10 AM
          Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
          Quote from: "Botched Programming"
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          I wonder if Pan Face or Gottlieb, and the crew would ever do this.?? But those folks at Straight play hard ball with their tormentors. And don't let up, It's quite educational to watch how the Survivor's really brought the game to Straight's and stuck it in Mal Semblers ass. I wish the Elan folks as a group could do the same, drop all of our own little wars, and attack the real enemy,. I only use Straight Survivors as an example ,because they ran and run a no holds bared attack, and truly stand up as a group, against Sembler and his Mob. Look at some of their video's, they are as bad as Channel 5 News, they get right in the thick of it and don't back down, Amen to all of them.


          http://www.nunya.com/index.php/2009/01/ ... survivors/ (http://www.nunya.com/index.php/2009/01/05/apology-to-straight-inc-survivors/)

          http://ficanetwork.net/straight/apology/ (http://ficanetwork.net/straight/apology/)

          You've got that right we who endured Straight play hard ball and refuse to submit..

          Thank you Mark for your post.


          For years after getting out Newton still scared the hell out of me, especially because I lived close to him.  Then when my dear friends RTP, Kpickle and others and I went to "confront" him, I realized he's nothing more than a wanna-be guru and total control freak.  When we were in Straight, we couldn't speak our minds and wouldn't dare (at least I wouldn't...too scared) to even question what was being done to us. When I saw him later, out here in the real world he showed himself for what he truly is....a malignant narcissist (even his neighbors see this and they had no idea of his past) and it drove him absolutely NUTS that he couldn't call the shots or shut me up.  He couldn't slam us to the ground for speaking like he did when we were 'inside'.  It was one of the single most healing things I've ever done.  For so long I saw him as the boogey man but in real life, he's just a pussy that hides behind either his Straight director status or now, the cloak of religion.  

          It may be time for another visit.   :seg2:

          He's a sad, pathetic shell of a man now.


          Great Idea, :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB II on September 01, 2010, 01:07:01 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          Guys have some info for ya.
           
          Got a call from a resident from 30 years ago today. Actually at lunch time. She pick my phone # off the Elan Alum Site.
          We chit chatted a bit found out she arrived around Sept of 1977 and stayed until 1979. She is from Chicago and I do not have permission to say who she is.

          Anyway she went on to tell me she had a conversation with Jeffery Gottlieb last Wenesday 8/25/10. In the course of this conversation Jeffery explained to her that Elan had been reduced to one house E-3 and that only 41 students resided there. That by late spring of next year after Graduation, that Elan would be closing down. She went on to say that Jeffery was retiring after next year, that there was nothing more to do. Sharon no longer really wanted to keep Elan open, that the building E-3 showed the affects of being neglected, all the houses other then E-3 had been sold off with the land.

          Folks I have called others to verify this and it looks at this point to be valid info.
           
          Man, I say bravo to the folks who have worked their asses off to see this day, many folks behind the scenes pushed and badgered many employees to stop the madness, most listened and moved on while others did not.
          Why, no one I knew ever reported abuse or brought lawsuits against Elan, I am sad to say, "I just don't know". I don't have a answer why I sat around waiting for so many years and did nothing, I can not blame others.

          This is great news. Who couldnt celebrate on the day these criminals close their doors ?
          Fact is,its been said this day has been coming. I am not suprised,in fact Ive been expecting it. Thanks for reporting this Danny
          Now you can go back to seeking your attention in the 50-75 threads a day that you neeed to be the center of attention in,hated,and acting out. I have never met someone as needy as you Danny. So needy,that you will trash the traditions of a 12 step program that you claim saved your life. Not only are you disrespectful of others,and their opinions. But you consistantly see that AA gets trashed as well. I find you offensive and foul.
          You may spin this any way you want. But you sound anything but grateful. B Wilson is rolling over in his grave


          Art,
          I don't say much to you because there really is not much to say. I must say though it is quite catch to nap BP as your running buddy. Both of you are definitely, "poster children" for your respective programs. Straight and Elan did there work on you two, well, be proud to my sons.
          Art I have no spin in my dance steps, I just come right at you and tell the truth. Just like I said about Harry Kranick, dumbass, I told you I knew him and he came on here and validated this.
          Now to your comments about AA, Art as a fellow member you should know and understand that whatever keeps me sane and sober may not do the same for you. Stop, passing judgment on me. You really have no excuse for doing this anyway.
          Stay healthy my friend and enjoy the boat.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Botched Programming on September 01, 2010, 02:39:13 PM
          Quote from: "DannyB II"


          Art,
          I don't say much to you because there really is not much to say. I must say though it is quite catch to nap BP as your running buddy. Both of you are definitely, "poster children" for your respective programs. Straight and Elan did there work on you two, well, be proud to my sons.
          Art I have no spin in my dance steps, I just come right at you and tell the truth. Just like I said about Harry Kranick, dumbass, I told you I knew him and he came on here and validated this.
          Now to your comments about AA, Art as a fellow member you should know and understand that whatever keeps me sane and sober may not do the same for you. Stop, passing judgment on me. You really have no excuse for doing this anyway.
          Stay healthy my friend and enjoy the boat.


          (1) Depends on what you perceive to be truth.
          (2) Don't know if I would call you sane, and if sober acting like a dry drunk coming into his favorite bar here wiping the dust off of his seat.

          PS you are a very angry man... if that is recovery / sobriety, I do not want it.

          Peace and much healing.
           :peace:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB II on September 01, 2010, 02:50:15 PM
          Quote from: "Botched Programming"
          Quote from: "DannyB II"


          Art,
          I don't say much to you because there really is not much to say. I must say though it is quite catch to nap BP as your running buddy. Both of you are definitely, "poster children" for your respective programs. Straight and Elan did there work on you two, well, be proud to my sons.
          Art I have no spin in my dance steps, I just come right at you and tell the truth. Just like I said about Harry Kranick, dumbass, I told you I knew him and he came on here and validated this.
          Now to your comments about AA, Art as a fellow member you should know and understand that whatever keeps me sane and sober may not do the same for you. Stop, passing judgment on me. You really have no excuse for doing this anyway.
          Stay healthy my friend and enjoy the boat.


          (1) Depends on what you perceive to be truth.
          (2) Don't know if I would call you sane, and if sober acting like a dry drunk coming into his favorite bar here wiping the dust off of his seat.

          PS you are a very angry man... if that is recovery / sobriety, I do not want it.

          Peace and much healing.
           :peace:


          BP,
          I have tried to be polite to you here, every time we have done this you have responded with more of your "wacky" personality. Listen what you have had to say to me has already been said, please move on.
          Go bother someone else, you are beginning to resemble Art.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Botched Programming on September 01, 2010, 02:55:06 PM
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          Quote from: "Botched Programming"
          Quote from: "DannyB II"


          Art,
          I don't say much to you because there really is not much to say. I must say though it is quite catch to nap BP as your running buddy. Both of you are definitely, "poster children" for your respective programs. Straight and Elan did there work on you two, well, be proud to my sons.
          Art I have no spin in my dance steps, I just come right at you and tell the truth. Just like I said about Harry Kranick, dumbass, I told you I knew him and he came on here and validated this.
          Now to your comments about AA, Art as a fellow member you should know and understand that whatever keeps me sane and sober may not do the same for you. Stop, passing judgment on me. You really have no excuse for doing this anyway.
          Stay healthy my friend and enjoy the boat.


          (1) Depends on what you perceive to be truth.
          (2) Don't know if I would call you sane, and if sober acting like a dry drunk coming into his favorite bar here wiping the dust off of his seat.

          PS you are a very angry man... if that is recovery / sobriety, I do not want it.

          Peace and much healing.
           :peace:


          BP,
          I have tried to be polite to you here, every time we have done this you have responded with more of your "wacky" personality. Listen what you have had to say to me has already been said, please move on.
          Go bother someone else, you are beginning to resemble Art.

          Danny ... If one person calls it a duck... it may be a duck ... but if multiple people call it a duck, then you dang sure should believe it's a duck. My only advice is for you to call your sponsor, let him look at some of your writings on this forum and see what he has to say.

          Peace and much healing
           :peace:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anne Bonney on September 01, 2010, 03:08:07 PM
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          I just come right at you and tell the truth.

          The truth as you see it.   Just as we are.



           
          Quote
          Just like I said about Harry Kranick, dumbass, I told you I knew him and he came on here and validated this.
          Now to your comments about AA, Art as a fellow member you should know and understand that whatever keeps me sane and sober may not do the same for you. Stop, passing judgment on me. You really have no excuse for doing this anyway.
          Stay healthy my friend and enjoy the boat.


          Wow...you just don't like anyone who disagrees with anything you say.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB II on September 01, 2010, 03:28:38 PM
          Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          I just come right at you and tell the truth.

          The truth as you see it.   Just as we are.



           
          Quote
          Just like I said about Harry Kranick, dumbass, I told you I knew him and he came on here and validated this.
          Now to your comments about AA, Art as a fellow member you should know and understand that whatever keeps me sane and sober may not do the same for you. Stop, passing judgment on me. You really have no excuse for doing this anyway.
          Stay healthy my friend and enjoy the boat.


          Wow...you just don't like anyone who disagrees with anything you say.

          Anne, we should just talk in PM's are problems do not belong in the open. It became personal months ago.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 01, 2010, 04:03:47 PM
          Danny
          You poor bastard.. and I mean that in the nicest way
          You know Danny. I started to respond to your nonsense when it occured to me. This is why you do these things... For a response.
          a) You have broken several of the AA traditions and I would lik eyou to stop.. For the good of AA
          b) Seek help from a professional
          c) Leave this forum and find a better way to be sane and sober that does not disrespect those you banter and lie to,nor the program you claim saved you
          If this is Danny,better... You must have been a real wreck when you arrived. I have seen nothing that shows you sane and sober in all of rantings and postings
          Harry is a close personal friend. Been to my home,knows my family.. Thinks you are an idiot like the rest of us
          Bad example
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Eliscu2 on September 01, 2010, 05:06:06 PM
          :eek:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: psy, on September 01, 2010, 08:46:04 PM
          Quote from: "Eliscu2"
          Quote from: "Botched Programming"
          Quote from: "DannyB II"


          Art,
          I don't say much to you because there really is not much to say. I must say though it is quite catch to nap BP as your running buddy. Both of you are definitely, "poster children" for your respective programs. Straight and Elan did there work on you two, well, be proud to my sons.
          Art I have no spin in my dance steps, I just come right at you and tell the truth. Just like I said about Harry Kranick, dumbass, I told you I knew him and he came on here and validated this.
          Now to your comments about AA, Art as a fellow member you should know and understand that whatever keeps me sane and sober may not do the same for you. Stop, passing judgment on me. You really have no excuse for doing this anyway.
          Stay healthy my friend and enjoy the boat.


          (1) Depends on what you perceive to be truth.
          (2) Don't know if I would call you sane, and if sober acting like a dry drunk coming into his favorite bar here wiping the dust off of his seat.

          PS you are a very angry man... if that is recovery / sobriety, I do not want it.

          Peace and much healing.
           :peace:
          OY...I AM POPPING A XANAX, BLASTING THE SLAYER AND BLOWING THIS DAY RIGHT OFF.......HAVE FUN!


          Felice your a nut go away you scare people. http://www.myspace.com/eliscu (http://www.myspace.com/eliscu)   you can't be for real. You look like your filming a documentary for the insane and guess who they are filming ??


          http://www.mindfreedom.org/kb/mental-he ... ice-eliscu (http://www.mindfreedom.org/kb/mental-health-arts/felice-eliscu)  You are a nut job girl.!!!

          Pop," Felice Eliscu " in and read away it is public info and she is in trouble more than out of it. ::OMG::  ::OMG::

          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... _8R3m9IiuQ (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwcca.wicourts.gov%2F&ei=YvJ-TNPlAcennQelwrXwAQ&usg=AFQjCNFm7Fndj3g1qaOA5B-K_8R3m9IiuQ)


          " Felice " spends allot of time under the watchful eyes of the Courts and Doctors

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          08-18-2010
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          Felice D. Eliscu vs Michael T. Monelli
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: psy, on September 01, 2010, 08:53:38 PM
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          I just come right at you and tell the truth.

          The truth as you see it.   Just as we are.



           
          Quote
          Just like I said about Harry Kranick, dumbass, I told you I knew him and he came on here and validated this.
          Now to your comments about AA, Art as a fellow member you should know and understand that whatever keeps me sane and sober may not do the same for you. Stop, passing judgment on me. You really have no excuse for doing this anyway.
          Stay healthy my friend and enjoy the boat.


          Wow...you just don't like anyone who disagrees with anything you say.

          Anne, we should just talk in PM's are problems do not belong in the open. It became personal months ago.


          Hey Danny a song and video your in.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtMy5IBm ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtMy5IBmX7E&feature=related)  :cheers:  :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on September 02, 2010, 06:58:06 PM
          Well now that the cat is out of the bag and the closing of elan is imiment when comes Spring 2011. I would like to thank everyone who has participated in exposing the dark side of what occured at elan over the decades. It was an unforseen threat, that simply did not ever occur to Sharon and that is the power of the internet, and the voices that spoke out. It's been a long ride, and a very decieving one from yours truly. I plan on opening the doors to my own teen treatment center next Summer and will continue the tradition of a Theraputic community.

          Happy hi yuh yuh!

          Marty.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Botched Programming on September 02, 2010, 07:22:41 PM
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          Well now that the cat is out of the bag and the closing of elan is imiment when comes Spring 2011. I would like to thank everyone who has participated in exposing the dark side of what occured at elan over the decades. It was an unforseen threat, that simply did not ever occur to Sharon and that is the power of the internet, and the voices that spoke out. It's been a long ride, and a very decieving one from yours truly. I plan on opening the doors to my own teen treatment center next Summer and will continue the tradition of a Theraputic community.Happy hi yuh yuh!

          Marty.


          You Bastard... That was supposed to remain confidential for the time being... You are making it hard to be a silent partner !!!!


           ::OMG::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on September 02, 2010, 08:17:41 PM
          Me suh sorry Botched, me suh is so excited that the Terry Witch's elan is going out of business and me suh stole lots of the white mans money from over charging sundries hi yuh yuh yuh. Me suh now can purchase a white man made structure and legally turn it into a theraputic hi yuh yuh yuh treatment camp so me suh can continue abusing the white mans children, hi yuh yuh yuh. Me suh will also be chief of this institutions meaning, me suh can have daily boxing rings at will and make teens where signs around necks, hi yuh yuh yuh! Me suh must go suck a dick now, me suh is feeling sorta excited, hi yuh yuh yuh.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Eliscu2 on September 03, 2010, 01:23:00 AM
          :seg:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on September 03, 2010, 09:48:30 AM
          Me suh still taking interviews for the sickest of the sick and disturbing of the disturbed for employment in me suh;s new hi yuh yuh theraputic treatment center. Me suh looking for pedophiles, child abusers, and serial killers, hi yuh yuh yuh! Me suh will triple the Wonder Lake pedophile junk man's salary is he suh decides he suh wants to work for me suh. Me suh will also pay for the junk man to relocate to grand tee pee which me suh will throw in for no cost to junk man, hi yuh yuh yuh. There will be plenty of under age minors for the junk man to commit sexual crimes against at he suh's disposal, hi yuh yuh yuh!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 06, 2010, 08:43:58 PM
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          Me suh still taking interviews for the sickest of the sick and disturbing of the disturbed for employment in me suh;s new hi yuh yuh theraputic treatment center. Me suh looking for pedophiles, child abusers, and serial killers, hi yuh yuh yuh! Me suh will triple the Wonder Lake pedophile junk man's salary is he suh decides he suh wants to work for me suh. Me suh will also pay for the junk man to relocate to grand tee pee which me suh will throw in for no cost to junk man, hi yuh yuh yuh. There will be plenty of under age minors for the junk man to commit sexual crimes against at he suh's disposal, hi yuh yuh yuh!



           :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers: Can I come too, ??  I can run the Primal and Encounter Groups. :rofl:  :rofl: .
            Can we kidnap Pane Pace and give him a G.M. and Cowboy as Kicking, ?? Maybe we can take him to the locations, of all the old houses and give him a G.M. right on the property. Tie him to a tree or something fun like that,?  :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 07, 2010, 08:05:10 AM
          Scarborough Downs : Selling land off





          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=n ... 1M2yDodzxA (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=news&cd=1&ved=0CCcQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kjonline.com%2Fnews%2Fscarborough-downs-wantsto-sell-about400-acres_2010-09-01.html&ei=CyqGTMfgBI-onQeC6b3JAQ&usg=AFQjCNEPjNcCuzLd-CXGr9AK1M2yDodzxA)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 07, 2010, 08:07:20 AM
          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=n ... SVIDLxvS_A (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=news&cd=3&ved=0CDgQqQIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theforecaster.net%2Fcontent%2Fs-scardownsproperty-090310&ei=CyqGTMfgBI-onQeC6b3JAQ&usg=AFQjCNFaMi4pqWpadtwZySP3SVIDLxvS_A)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 07, 2010, 08:08:02 AM
          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=n ... yiwNiyxgTw (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=news&cd=4&ved=0CD0QqQIwAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.myfoxmaine.com%2Fnews%2FScarborough-Downs-May-Move-to-Biddeford-101147989.html&ei=CyqGTMfgBI-onQeC6b3JAQ&usg=AFQjCNGoDcxjX6oXhTM6lRjGyiwNiyxgTw)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 07, 2010, 08:13:30 AM
          Close Elan School

          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... GNwKMWEreQ (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elanschool.org%2F&ei=YSuGTKWJJ4-onQeC6b3JAQ&usg=AFQjCNE2M2gGXOvraiDh5aYOGNwKMWEreQ)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 07, 2010, 09:15:00 AM
          http://books.google.com/books?id=YzBMbi ... oQ6AEwBjgK (http://books.google.com/books?id=YzBMbiDVcKoC&pg=PA124&dq=%22elan+school+%22&hl=en&ei=LDmGTPWlJc6MnQe-7oHlAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CEoQ6AEwBjgK)



          http://books.google.com/books?id=Cz09rt ... UQ6AEwBTgK (http://books.google.com/books?id=Cz09rtWGqMAC&pg=PA327&dq=%22elan+school+%22&hl=en&ei=LDmGTPWlJc6MnQe-7oHlAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CEUQ6AEwBTgK)
          Title: Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
          Post by: Joel on September 07, 2010, 11:27:26 AM
          Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anne Bonney on September 07, 2010, 11:40:03 AM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Close Elan School

          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... GNwKMWEreQ (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elanschool.org%2F&ei=YSuGTKWJJ4-onQeC6b3JAQ&usg=AFQjCNE2M2gGXOvraiDh5aYOGNwKMWEreQ)


          Wow!!  Sounds just like Straight with a few different terminologies!  Sorry for the long copy/paste but it's very telling.



           This site is intended for anyone curious about sending a child to the Elan School in Poland, Maine. Children and teens are taken here, isolated, and given a course of "therapy" that consists entirely of degradation and hurting other people.

          Elan victims are utterly brainwashed on a par with the strongest cults. Normal and even exhausted parents or social workers would never associate with (much less ship their child to) Elan if they understood just a few of its current and historic practices. Conditions at Elan are below those of federal prisons, mental health facilities, military and private boot camps, and even comparable therapeutic boarding schools. Elan has a notorious reputation that works to its advantage with understandably desperate caretakers. Elan was once known for its barbaric disciplinary methods--now, Elan insists that the torture is gone, but the sternness and effectiveness of their program is intact.

          Everything on this page is sourced when possible. It describes what occurs at Elan every day, even after negative scrutiny resulting from the 2002 Moxley murder case.

          Reasons You Should Not Support The Elan School:
          Elan's Discredited Method Of Attack Therapy:
           
               

          "As the residents surged over the scuffed linoleum of the dining room, knocking over metal chairs, Kim curled into a ball. 'You fucking bitch, fucking whore, fucking fuck-up!' Kim was enduring a 'learning experience' ...

          '[We] were whipped into a mob,' says Arnold ... 'It was brainwashing. People like Kim were gonna be junkies or hookers if we didn't make hem get their shit together.' Arnold soon added her voice to the eardrum-breaking sound of 100 young adults caught up in the adrenaline rush of anger. To an outsider, it must have looked like madness, a Lord of the Flies outpost with castaways who were regularly dressed in tinfoil, diapers, and 'hooker' skirts. Some had signs around their necks that read: I'M AN EMOTIONAL VAMPIRE or ASK ME WHY I'M A BABY or CONFRONT ME AS TO WHY I'M A WHORE. All were red with rage. 'Kim,' Arnold recalls, 'was semi-catatonic.'"

          From Details Magazine, November 2001.
               
           
               

          "Roughly 150 students pay about $44,000 a year to attend the school, which still practices a controversial behavioral modification program that relies on shouting sessions, long hours in a corner and sometimes even boxing matches to rid unruly teenagers of their anti-social mind-sets. At Elan, smiling without permission can lead to a session of cleaning urinals with a toothbrush that can last for hours."

          From The New York Times, June 2, 2002.
               
           
               

          "We were told we had to partake in an act called 'getting our feelings off.'  This consisted of us yelling, swearing at and degrading our fellow students ... when another student got their feelings off for you, you had to just sit still and not move a muscle because the slightest movement would suggest you were 'reacting.' I remember being called such names as 'psycho,' 'bitch,' 'asshole,' 'hospital case,' 'freak,' 'disgusting,' 'stupid,' 'crazy,' etc.  I was told things like 'I fucking hate your guts,' 'I hope you fucking die,' 'stay the fuck away from me,' 'I don't fucking like you,' 'fuck off,' etc.  I was called more derogatory names, but this is just to give you an idea of what is systematically done.

          If we did not 'get your feelings off' we were punished and told that we were never going to change ... if we retorted back with anything, we were sent to scrub floors, toilets, sink, showers, sometimes whole rooms as a form of discipline for hours on end.  We were taught that not getting our feelings off was wrong and a punishable offense.  I still hear the screams of my fellow students throughout the day at times.

          People who disobeyed the rules were treated poorly. A girl who was in my dorm decided to kiss another guy [ed: an extremely rare occurrence, since no opposite-sex contact was permitted].  There was no sexual relationship and nothing more than a kiss. She was told she was going to end up just like her mother because of it--her mother was found dead on the side of the road in Georgia a few months prior. The girl was considered a whore by the whole house.  The staff had convinced us of this by telling us that was what she was. She was then made to clean trashcans, toilets, bathrooms...just about everything, while the rest were told to relax. If you were considered 'shotdown' (moved to the lowest position in the program), you had no privileges at all."

          Jessica Charnov (2004-07) testimony, 2009.
               
           
               

          "Deviation from expectations will lead to heavy verbal confrontation ... Elan is not for the faint hearted. While the atmosphere is highly confrontive, most of the confrontation comes from peers ... humiliation is stated clearly as a therapeutic tool.

          It is the responsibility of the higher level students to be the first line of stopping runaways, and intervening in other negative behaviors, a job they seem to do quite effectively. This is even to the extent of having a student sentry on duty all night every night (in shifts)."

          From Woodbury Reports, June 1992. This report, from a trade industry magazine, comes from one of the few friendly tours given of Elan. A 2007 report from the same organization simply didn't mention these practices, which have since become more controversial (illegal, as in the case of New York and other states pulling publicly funded children from the program), and which are the sole component of Elan "therapy." Most of the other components ("bustling offices") mentioned on the tour were only operated for show and have never existed in practice.
               
           
               

          "Elan functioned as a separate society with its own dictionary of terms.  A 'general meeting' was called after a resident failed to comply with program requirements. At this meeting everyone in the house gathered together and verbally assaulted the person. If this resident did not voluntarily submit to this verbal assault from peers, he or she was then forcibly dragged before the group.
          At these meetings it was represented that 'anything goes,' and the use of obscene, degrading and vile language was condoned.  Sometimes the posse mentality of these meetings reached a crescendo and the residents charged at the subject, striking, kicking and throwing things. One resident reported that he once had trouble pushing his way into the group to get close enough to personally attack the subject, and was afraid that he might be disciplined for not enthusiastically participating in this disciplining procedure."

          Description of the Elan program from Duck in a Raincoat (1991), a biography of its founder.
               
           
               

          "I went through months of living in corners in dissociative states of mind, self-harm, extreme emotional and physical abuses. Things from 30 people at a time screaming in my face and spitting on me to being placed in restraints, to being placed in the boxing ring to fight against other peers as disciplinary measures. I went through extreme humiliation and degradation ... I am 37 years old and there is rarely a day that goes by that I don't have flashbacks or go through some kind of emotional turmoil due to the abuses I suffered during my stay in the 'program.'"

          Testimony from "Jackie," c. 2006.
               
           
               

          "Elan School has group sessions that take place to force the students to scream at each other ... once a student in Elan School 'deserves' to leave the corner, they are then put in front of the dining room to get screamed at by four other students at a time and then 'confrontation' takes place to admit their misdoings.

          Every day at Elan I would suffer from serious nightmares due to the staff giving deep confrontation in regards of my childhood. They would try to force out stuff I did not want to remember. As result I ended up suffering critically, I was not able to make it through the Navy after Elan (I was never part of the war) and they honorably discharged me with a personality disorder diagnosis."

          Tayro Knight (2002-05) testimony, 2009. Note the heavy use of euphemisms, a hallmark of Elan and the cults it descended from.
               
           
               

          "The trouble with tough love is twofold. First, the underlying philosophy -- that pain produces growth -- lends itself to abuse of power. Second, and more important, toughness doesn't begin to address the real problem. Troubled teenagers aren't usually 'spoiled brats' who 'just need to be taught respect.' Like me, they most often go wrong because they hurt, not because they don't want to do the right thing ... a surprisingly large number are sent away in the midst of a parental divorce; others are enrolled for depression or other serious mental illnesses. Many have lengthy histories of trauma and abuse. The last thing such kids need is another experience of powerlessness, humiliation and pain.

          For one thing, longitudinal studies find that most kids, even amongst the most troubled, eventually grow out of bad behavior, so the magic of time can be mistaken for the magic of treatment. Second,the experience of being emotionally terrorized can produce compliance that looks like real change, at least initially."

          Read the article by Maia Szalavitz, author of troubled teen industry book Help At Any Cost (2006).
               
           
          Elan's Irresponsible Medical & Marketing Guidelines:


          The ultimate, stated goal of Elan's program is (once a student has spent years abusing others) "graduation." It's easy to see Elan has an interest in delaying the process.

          Contrary to what Elan's marketing materials imply, less than 10% of residents graduate. Less than 10% of residents complete the program in the "average time" of 24 months or earlier.
               
           
               

          In late 2004, the National Institutes of Health released a "state of the science" consensus statement, concluding that "get tough" treatments "do not work and there is some evidence that they may make the problem worse." At Elan, survivors leave with post-traumatic stress disorder and exacerbations of their original problems.

          Find the report here. http://consensus.nih.gov/2004/2004Youth ... 23html.htm (http://consensus.nih.gov/2004/2004YouthViolencePreventionSOS023html.htm)
               
           
               

          "The bigger picture suggests that tough love tends to backfire. My recent interviews confirm the findings of more formal studies. The Justice Department has released reports comparing [Elan style programs] with traditional correctional facilities for juvenile offenders, concluding in 2001 that neither facility 'is more effective in reducing recidivism' ... Unfortunately, in the world of teen behavioral programs, there are no specific educational or professional requirements.  Anyone can claim to be an expert."

          Read the article by Maia Szalavitz, author of troubled teen industry book Help At Any Cost (2006).
               
           
               

          "Kiriaki Vlahopouliotis, 23 ... said she still has not told her mother details of her time at Elan. 'It will only make her feel worse,' she said. 'There's no horseback rides, there's no skiing. There's scrubbing toilets and floors all day. My parents had no idea when they sent me that in two years they'd only see me three times or that I'd get to talk to them 15 minutes once a week, if I got my telephone privileges.'"

          From The New York Times, June 2, 2002. There was no humor in the Elan facility, except when staff would joke that "this wasn't in the brochure!" They famously described their program to educational consultants with stock photos of vacation spots. Needless to say, none of what was shown to them existed.
               
           
               

          "The student to staff ratio at many times is about 1:40. The children could clearly take over at any time which is why a strong level of brainwashing will occur when your child steps foot in the door."

          Survivor narrative, homepage of Elan School blogspot, 2010. The administrative and program staff are generally longtime employees, with failed careers elsewhere. Elan has trouble filling new positions (plenty of horrified new hires lasted for one day) and keeps suspicious of outsiders to the company. Having sufficient qualified staff on duty would negatively affect Elan's profit margins as well.
               
           
               

          Even though Elan had over 100 students, many of whom were referred there for mental health reasons, only one psychologist is on staff. His job is to speak with new parents, not to monitor children or the program itself.
               
           
               

          "For 31 years, Elan--which remains open to 184 residents at $44,596 a year for a two-year program--has been among the most controversial of the nation's residential therapeutic communities. Though the school no longer employs such Draconian methods, its administrators claim that the behavior modification they practiced was the only effective way to salvage delinquents. The approach--tearing down destructive character traits through relentless peer pressure."

          From Details Magazine, November 2001.
               
           
          Elan's Bizarre & Notorious History:
           
               

          Joe Ricci's Elan is well-known even throughout the residential treatment industry as one of the few direct descendants of Synanon, a defunct cult that--seriously--pioneered the use of North Korean brainwashing techniques to control its members.

          Found in Mother Jones magazine, October 2007 and in Details Magazine, November 2001.
               
           
               

          "[Joe] made me feel really worthless, you know, like I was an absolute nothing. He came in and I was called up along with a girl named Nancy, and another girl named Marie, two guys named Ray, and Johnny, and another kid named Sean. So when Joe Ricci came in to the house we were all sitting down around a table, and he announced:  'We have some cancer in this house,  and any good surgeon knows the best way to get rid of cancer is to cut it out, before it spreads.'

          Then he called all of us up in front of the house, and asked everybody else if they had any feelings for us, so we all got screamed at. Then they put us in the boxing ring, you know. Then at the end of the meeting, Joe Ricci says, 'Now we're gonna put you upstairs in one of the rooms.' It was [6'x10'] and they boarded up the windows, boarded up the door and locked it. And [Joe] said, 'whatever goes on in there goes on.' It was in July ... I know it was in July, because it was my 16th birthday the next day ... it was horrible. Six of us all stuck in there together."

          Testimony from "Stephen," in the Joe Ricci biography Duck in a Raincoat (1991). All six students were subsequently raped while locked in the room on Stephen's birthday and over the course of several weeks. Joe Ricci founded Elan in 1978 and ran its day-to-day operations in a similar fashion until his death in 2001. His wife owns the property today.
               
           
               

          A girl was raped while on one of many outings with Joe Ricci. Although Ricci was not implicated, he demanded that she recant her story after the police found her bruised a day later. Formerly the "highest ranking" student, she refused, and was subjected to verbal abuse and months of isolation before escaping.

          Sharon McCarthy-Wittwer (1984-86) testimony, 2010.
               
           
               

          "In many ways, Elan embodies the contradictions of its founder, Mr. Ricci, a recovering addict, a horse track owner and a two-time candidate for governor, whose antics kept the local news media busy for years.

          Elan did at least one thing well: it made money. With profits from the school, Mr. Ricci bought a run-down harness-racing track in Portland, Me., called Scarborough Downs. Through the years, his behavior became increasingly erratic. He gave an expletive-laced tirade against a Maine harness-racing official over the Scarborough Downs public-address system. He was sued three times for sexual harassment, once for threatening to kill a female employee. He lost one case and settled the other two."

          From The New York Times, June 2, 2002.
               
           
          Elan Is Falling Apart:
           
               

          "I recently received a phone call from a local contractor who I have done business with over the years. He was called by Elan to evaluate/repair a variety of problems throughout the complex. He could not believe the condition of the facility, explaining its rundown condition and comparing it to a shantytown ... I learned that the Poland complex need for repair exceeds the value of the property. This, coupled with a score of existing liens from suppliers and contractors seeking payment, has the Poland property stalled in court. The real estate industry calls this type of property a white elephant.

          This has already affected the resident population as parents who visit expect better conditions for their 50K. It was trendy to get well in log cabins in the 1970s, but not in the '00s when you market yourself as a private school for college-bound kids. Factor into this the incredibly bad press Elan has absorbed of late, and there you have a real mess.

          I expect a slow demise for the Elan School. The gross mismanagement of the facility on a business level has them ankle deep in red ink. I predict that Elan will slowly gear down toward a scheduled date to close. The current owners will liquidate everything and retire."

          "John," responding to discussions about the frequent power outages at Elan's isolated facility, posted this on a forum in 2003. Visitors to the Elan property will have no difficulty verifying this for themselves.
               
           
          Elan Schooling Is A Joke:
           
               

          Why have large states, including Massachusetts, Illinois and New York, issued dramatic and condemning reports before quickly pulling their wards from Elan, while Maine continues to allow Elan to operate?

          "While New York conducted a surprise inspection, it is the policy of Maine's education department to let schools know when state officials are going to conduct a visit, said Edwin 'Buzz' Kastuck, whose responsibilities within the department include school approval."

          From the Portland Press Herald, March 25, 2007. Is Elan an accredited private school? Not really. It belongs to NATSAP, which is simply known as the last resort, pay-to-enter trade organization that accepts programs refused certification everywhere else. NATSAP offers its official seal, but contrary to what's implied does not offer accreditation, licensing or regulatory compliance reviews.
               
           
               

          "The school curriculum is fabulous for an unmotivated child. With no tests, exams, or projects it couldn't be better. When parents receive news that their child (who was once possibly failing in school) is now getting great marks, they could only think that Elan is doing something right. That is one of the tactics Elan uses to deceive parents and school boards but ultimately rob that child of a real education."

          Testimony on HEAL Online from an anonymous survivor.
               
           
               

          "School was the easiest school I had ever been to, you had no homework except in a study hall on Fridays ... unfortunately, the lack of good school makes life difficult when you get out because the classes, since they switch every 5 months and 2 in the summer, did not have enough time to cover whole subjects like biology, chemistry and math. We would end the classes only knowing the most basic material. I myself had to be held back because I was only given 1 math course and no language my entire stay."

          Nick Schwamb (2007-09) testimony, 2009.
               
           
               

          "School is skipped when a student is in the corner. The reasoning behind that is because they state that it is a 'privilege' to go to school."

          Tayro Knight (2002-05) testimony, 2009.
               
           
          Elan's Reckless Use Of Isolation & Physiological Torture:
           
               

          "At night a student stays awake to guard the dorms of his or her gender. Every ten minutes for eight hours a night a 'bed check' is conducted. Each student has their sheets lifted up and a flashlight is shone on the student's body to make sure they don't have any hidden clothing to take with them in the event that they try to run away. Could you imagine having your sheets pulled up every ten minutes for eight hours every night for years? Can you imagine that students are expected, who are in positions of responsibility, to stay up all night and be a 'night guard' and look under their fellow residents' sheets, utterly invading their privacy and human rights? And if you fall asleep as a 'night guard' you could be punished and be made to scrub the floors and have your shoelaces taken away."

          This excerpt comes from the Elan School Class Action Facebook group.
               
           
               

          "Sometimes people would be stuck in the corners for weeks or months on end. If you tried to 'sign out' at 18 years old they would wait for days and sometimes weeks and wouldn't let you leave until they put you through hell.

          I didn't feel safe and taken care of if I had gotten sick. If I felt sick I was not allowed to stay in sick--the staff wouldn't let you go to bed unless you were violently vomiting. Many people had to run on 3-5 hours sometimes because the staff wouldn't let them go to sleep after 'taking an SP' or something because they 'needed them on the floor.'

          We mostly didn't go outside all week except for gym for one hour on Tuesdays. If the staff thought that the house did really well we may have been able to go out for a couple of hours on Sunday."

          Nick Schwamb (2007-09) testimony, 2009.
               
           
               

          It is a 12+ step process to ask for permission to use the bathroom (which students are not allowed to do alone). This usually takes several hours, and the request is often written up as an "incident," or disciplinary infraction, for being viewed by staff or "higher up" students as a complaint or interruption.

          Read about the process in detail here.
               
           
               

          "Some accounts by recent graduates suggest that little has changed at Elan since Mr. Skakel attended in 1978. Tatiana Karam, 21, who attended Elan from 1996 to 1998, said she witnessed three or four boxing sessions, or 'rings' as they are known, and said she saw a student placed in a corner in plastic restraints for so long that she became malnourished and was sent to the hospital. Ms. Karam said that phone calls to her parents, who spent more than $100,000 on her schooling, were monitored and that the students who accurately described life at Elan were punished for being 'manipulative.' But Ms. Karam, the Northeastern student, said: 'Not a day goes by that I don't think about it. I'll never forgive them for what they did.'"

          From The New York Times, June 2, 2002.
               
           
               

          "The girl's name was Kim. She was 17. Moments before, she'd been spanked with a paddle in front of the 100 fellow delinquents and drug addicts--more than two thirds of them men--who made up the student body of the Elan School, a therapeutic community of last resort that, during its seventies heyday, may have been something far from therapeutic."

          From Details Magazine, November 2001.
               
           
               

          "'The Corner', which is really a term for being put into isolation, is used to take a child who is not conforming with Elan out of the population. Another student is then placed with them as a 'support person.' This support person could be subject to the other student acting out, which could involve attempts at self-mutilation, being spat on, sworn at, screamed at, exposed to the student's genitals, exposed to them masturbating, among other lewd acts. The support person may be expected to physically restrain the acting out student. Sometimes the support person had to hold other students down on the floor and have plastic restraints put on the student so his or her hands were tied behind their back. If the support person may take their eyes off this other student in 'the corner,' and he or she decides to self-mutilate and succeeds, then the support person will be stripped of his or her position of responsibility and made to scrub floors for a time of two to three days. Can you believe that this is allowed to go on? A fifteen year old child being forced into this responsibility if they want to succeed in Elan?

          Sometimes this student who is acting out could be in the corner for over a month--spending their days facing the corner of a wall and sleeping on a dingy mattress on the floor. This student could spend a month acting crazy like this and then stop and come out of the corner only to be put right back in because he or she starts acting out again. Usually there was at least one student in the corner for the two-year period I was there. Also that child who is acting out does so because he or she is standing up for themselves, albeit it is in a damaging fashion, but that is how a person may cope when being forced to stay in a place like Elan."

          This excerpt comes from the Elan School Class Action Facebook group. The corner is typically used as a disciplinary punishment, not because a student is involved in physical violence.  It can be used as a holding area if there are no staff available or for an extended period of time to "break" a student.  Students are subjected to a general meeting before they can leave the corner.
               
           
               

          "Every day in Elan School there was unpaid labor, if a student was in trouble, they would be forced to get on their knees and scrub the floor. If a student in Elan School did something physical, major or minor; they are tackled by another student and then restrained."

          Tayro Knight (2002-05) testimony, 2009.
               
           
               

          Everyone imprisoned at Elan developed physical problems. By the mid-2000s, anywhere from 30-90% of the students developed temporary or permanent Osgood-Schlatter disease, a debilitating knee condition. Students in lower hierarchy positions would spend months at a time (years in total) scrubbing the linoleum floors on their knees with a dirty sponge for 2 to 12 hours per day. The one nurse on staff never bothered to report this epidemic to anyone. Who knows how teenagers uncovered diseases, carpal tunnel or arthritis during their time there?
               
           
          Elan's Practices Are Being Outlawed By Congress: Republicans & Democrats Have Joined To Close Elan As Of 2010
           
               

          Outside observers find Elan's practices so repulsive that a bill was passed in 2009 by a bipartisan majority of legislators, and given the designation "H.R. 911" to reflect its extraordinary importance. After several years of false starts in the House and over 20 years of the "behavior modification" industry operating in obscurity, the Stop Child Abuse in Residential Programs for Teens Act is expected to pass the Senate by the end of its 2010 session.

          Though Elan represents only a small part of the 10,000+ children industry, Elan will be in violation of every requirement included in the final bill, such as;

              * "Acts of physical or mental abuse designed to humiliate, degrade, or undermine a child's self-respect ... disciplinary techniques or other practices that involve the withholding of essential food, water, clothing, shelter, or medical care ... shall be prohibited."
                    o This specifically pertains to the forced ritual screaming and aggressive, arbitrary discipline that constitute the entirety of Elan's "treatment" program.
              * "Each child at such a program shall have reasonable access to a telephone, and be informed of their right to such access, for making and receiving phone calls with as much privacy as possible, and shall have access to the appropriate state or local child abuse reporting hotline number."
                    o Elan students regularly spend 4-6 months before making the first of their 15-minute weekly calls to parents. Calls and letters are always monitored and severe punishment is given for disparaging statements. No outside contact with anyone besides immediate family is allowed for the 1-4 years students spend at Elan. And why don't Elan students have access to child abuse hotlines already?
              * "Full disclosure of staff qualifications and their roles and responsibilities ... not later than 10 days after such changes ... an individual shall be ineligible to serve in a position with any contact with children at a covered program if any such record check reveals a felony conviction for child abuse or neglect, spousal abuse, a crime against children (including child pornography), or a crime involving violence, including rape, sexual assault ..."
                    o Elan is anything but transparent when providing information to families and authorities that request it. Most current and former Elan employees are "reformed" from prior criminal backgrounds.
              * "Child abuse and neglect shall be prohibited."
                    o How has Elan escaped major criminal penalties for so long? As a private and supposedly quasi-medical institution acting in loco parentis, it was much harder to convict the program of breaking child abuse standards that would apply to parents or individuals. With the complete lack of scientific evidence supporting Elan's "therapy," it won't be long after H.R. 911 passes until the program is shut down--forcibly or by its owners.

          You can read H.R. 911 here.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 07, 2010, 08:55:25 PM
          Great Article  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on September 07, 2010, 09:13:19 PM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=news&cd=3&ved=0CDgQqQIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theforecaster.net%2Fcontent%2Fs-scardownsproperty-090310&ei=CyqGTMfgBI-onQeC6b3JAQ&usg=AFQjCNFaMi4pqWpadtwZySP3SVIDLxvS_A

          TCK occupies some of that land for buffalo molestations, and IMR training grounds. The land is also used to test out Krug-bots and Gott-bots before selling to the public. TCK has been seen many times running around in a dirty loin cloth holding a spear, dressed in full indian mongoloid head dress, dancing around fires while playing with himself. The Clair-bott is also tested out there using johns for it's sexual programming. It is said, that TCK is planning on having a necrophilia session with his daddy's corpse somewhere in the wetlands out of public spotting, so that he can mourn the way of the Kruglik.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 07, 2010, 09:16:43 PM
          HR 911 site,.

          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... RGrU4KVHIA (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fakopsa.wordpress.com%2F2010%2F07%2F07%2Fh-r-911-petition-selected-comments%2F&ei=P9-GTL7eAYrCnAfFw9CHCw&usg=AFQjCNGWe24u9CX-1s8zqq-HRGrU4KVHIA)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 07, 2010, 09:42:04 PM
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=news&cd=3&ved=0CDgQqQIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theforecaster.net%2Fcontent%2Fs-scardownsproperty-090310&ei=CyqGTMfgBI-onQeC6b3JAQ&usg=AFQjCNFaMi4pqWpadtwZySP3SVIDLxvS_A

          TCK occupies some of that land for buffalo molestations, and IMR training grounds. The land is also used to test out Krug-bots and Gott-bots before selling to the public. TCK has been seen many times running around in a dirty loin cloth holding a spear, dressed in full indian mongoloid head dress, dancing around fires while playing with himself. The Clair-bott is also tested out there using johns for it's sexual programming. It is said, that TCK is planning on having a necrophilia session with his daddy's corpse somewhere in the wetlands out of public spotting, so that he can mourn the way of the Kruglik.

          That is the guy people should want, He had a hand in everything, Reporter. Pan Face was truly Joe's bitch, and this " Fuck ", just worshiped the ground Joe walked on, I never got along with Pan Face,  from the hello at the door, to the good by too Parsonsfield, Him and me never saw eye to eye, He is and was some Jewish kid that wanted to be and Indian,??, He was from Evanston, ill.  and his father was a prominent Psychologist and Head Psychiatrist at the state prison in Illinois, I was was one of the chosen ones protected by the State of Illinois at the time in 1975, and they were trying to remove us from Elan, I boldly fought the removal and tormented Pan face and Mc Cann knowing there wasn't anything they could do. I ran away couple of times and finally stole a car and then went to the " Big House ","Parsonsfield", I was young and took advantage of the spot light , I wont lie. And the things I saw go on were unbelievable, The pure hostility that people acted out on each other was beyond words. And it was a eat or be eaten society completely, " Jim Jone "  didn't have shit on "Joe Ricci " and his group of disciple's, I remember how  "Tim Downing " would get all amped up about GM's and making the " Electric Sauce " and getting the gloves ready with " Zeretsky " while Gottlieb mentored and guided, with Niel Saxner and Dave Elder in tow, And Pan Face leading the charge, with Mc Cann holding his loin cloth. ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 07, 2010, 09:59:31 PM
          Quote from: "Joel"
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Close Elan School

          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... GNwKMWEreQ (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elanschool.org%2F&ei=YSuGTKWJJ4-onQeC6b3JAQ&usg=AFQjCNE2M2gGXOvraiDh5aYOGNwKMWEreQ)

          Thanks for posting the online article.   :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:


          Elan was a sick fucked up place in the 70's Joel, I thing time made them calm it down some, but in the beginning, it was open experiments,on behavior modification . Joe Ricci  was from Day Top and Davidson was some psychiatrist he worked into the program to get the licence, Ricci was one of the best hustlers ever and new how to work the game, hands down, but he went crazy with power and greed and was a mad man, He was only 25 or so back when he started the place in 1970, and a full blown Heroin Addict 4-5 years prior, so this dude was riding high, and just loving the power in his world. When I was there it was $ 12.000 a year, thats in 1974-75, back then that was plenty of money, A 1975 Chevrolet Camaro was only 5-6 K, no lie

           http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=n ... QtOnn7hw4A (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=news&cd=2&ved=0CDIQqQIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fid%3D3goiAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DQnIFAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D5322%2C4606561%26dq%3Dhow%2Bmuch%2Bwas%2Ba%2B1975%2Bcamaro%2Bnew%26hl%3Den&ei=1eyGTI7RCuPhnQfktpn_Cw&usg=AFQjCNETqrBeBiyUP5Es2NiYQtOnn7hw4A)

          So for someone to send their kid there was a big deal, even a state, Joe Ricci was rolling in crazy money doing and acting out any sick fantasy he had or could dream up. May he rest in Hell,
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: psy, on September 07, 2010, 10:14:42 PM
          by WTF2 » 19 Aug 2010, 22:42

          This is a book about one girls life in and outside of Elan ,
          If you were in Elan in the 70's I would think its a must read! I ordered my book cant wait to read it, WAY TO GO Mary O! THANK YOU!  
          seeking love and acceptance on a path of adversity. by ... See MoreSusan Kelly.

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          Re: elan book
          by Eliscu2 » Yesterday, 20:58

          WTF2 wrote:
          This is a book about one girls life in and outside of Elan ,
          If you were in Elan in the 70's I would think its a must read! I ordered my book cant wait to read it, WAY TO GO Mary O! THANK YOU!  
          seeking love and acceptance on a path of adversity. by ... See MoreSusan Kelly.


          THERE WILL BE NO BOOK, IN FACT THERE WILL BE NONE OF YOU LEFT TO TELL ANYTHING.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZprVPKi-W6s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZprVPKi-W6s)
          Violent actions of the bad people
          Silence and indifference of the good people
          http://www.youtube.com/witness4justice (http://www.youtube.com/witness4justice)

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          Re: elan book
          by DannyB II » Yesterday, 22:58

          There is a book. I bought the book from Amazon.com. It is a very interesting read. Mary is definitely a inspiration for what someone can do with a life filled with adversity early on. She blossomed into a very compassionate articulate women.
          The name of the book, Seeking Love And Acceptance On A Path Of Adversity, By Susan Kelly.

          Thank You, Mary for baring a piece of your soul.
          I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.

          I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing.

          Earth is the insane asylum for the universe.

          Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.

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          Re: elan book
          by psy, » 3 minutes ago

          Eliscu2 wrote:
          WTF2 wrote:
          This is a book about one girls life in and outside of Elan ,
          If you were in Elan in the 70's I would think its a must read! I ordered my book cant wait to read it, WAY TO GO Mary O! THANK YOU!  
          seeking love and acceptance on a path of adversity. by ... See MoreSusan Kelly.


          THERE WILL BE NO BOOK, IN FACT THERE WILL BE NONE OF YOU LEFT TO TELL ANYTHING.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZprVPKi-W6s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZprVPKi-W6s)




               Your Fucking Crazy   Felice           , More Meds, Bigger Pills, Taller Bridges, More Guts, Cut Deeper, Put It On Video, Your Fucking nuts girl,Did you ever Google yourself,??????? your scary and nut's.

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              :beat:  :beat:   Felice stay over here were you can't hurt yourself,or anyone around you, BECAUSE NO ONE CAN HEAR YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Over hear, :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :lala:  :lala:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: kirstin on September 07, 2010, 10:18:03 PM
          Quote from: "psy,"
          by WTF2 » 19 Aug 2010, 22:42

          This is a book about one girls life in and outside of Elan ,
          If you were in Elan in the 70's I would think its a must read! I ordered my book cant wait to read it, WAY TO GO Mary O! THANK YOU!  
          seeking love and acceptance on a path of adversity. by ... See MoreSusan Kelly.

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          Re: elan book
          by Eliscu2 » Yesterday, 20:58

          WTF2 wrote:
          This is a book about one girls life in and outside of Elan ,
          If you were in Elan in the 70's I would think its a must read! I ordered my book cant wait to read it, WAY TO GO Mary O! THANK YOU!  
          seeking love and acceptance on a path of adversity. by ... See MoreSusan Kelly.


          THERE WILL BE NO BOOK, IN FACT THERE WILL BE NONE OF YOU LEFT TO TELL ANYTHING.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZprVPKi-W6s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZprVPKi-W6s)
          Violent actions of the bad people
          Silence and indifference of the good people
          http://www.youtube.com/witness4justice (http://www.youtube.com/witness4justice)

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          Re: elan book
          by DannyB II » Yesterday, 22:58

          There is a book. I bought the book from Amazon.com. It is a very interesting read. Mary is definitely a inspiration for what someone can do with a life filled with adversity early on. She blossomed into a very compassionate articulate women.
          The name of the book, Seeking Love And Acceptance On A Path Of Adversity, By Susan Kelly.

          Thank You, Mary for baring a piece of your soul.
          I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.

          I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing.

          Earth is the insane asylum for the universe.

          Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.

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          Re: elan book
          by psy, » 3 minutes ago

          Eliscu2 wrote:
          WTF2 wrote:
          This is a book about one girls life in and outside of Elan ,
          If you were in Elan in the 70's I would think its a must read! I ordered my book cant wait to read it, WAY TO GO Mary O! THANK YOU!  
          seeking love and acceptance on a path of adversity. by ... See MoreSusan Kelly.


          THERE WILL BE NO BOOK, IN FACT THERE WILL BE NONE OF YOU LEFT TO TELL ANYTHING.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZprVPKi-W6s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZprVPKi-W6s)




               Your Fucking Crazy   Felice           , More Meds, Bigger Pills, Taller Bridges, More Guts, Cut Deeper, Put It On Video, Your Fucking nuts girl,Did you ever Google yourself,??????? your scary and nut's.

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              :beat:  :beat:   Felice stay over here were you can't hurt yourself,or anyone around you, BECAUSE NO ONE CAN HEAR YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Over hear, :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :lala:  :lala:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

          Hi mark

           :jawdrop:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: psy, on September 07, 2010, 10:32:39 PM
          Quote from: "kirstin"
          Quote from: "psy,"
          by WTF2 » 19 Aug 2010, 22:42

          This is a book about one girls life in and outside of Elan ,
          If you were in Elan in the 70's I would think its a must read! I ordered my book cant wait to read it, WAY TO GO Mary O! THANK YOU!  
          seeking love and acceptance on a path of adversity. by ... See MoreSusan Kelly.

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          Re: elan book
          by Eliscu2 » Yesterday, 20:58

          WTF2 wrote:
          This is a book about one girls life in and outside of Elan ,
          If you were in Elan in the 70's I would think its a must read! I ordered my book cant wait to read it, WAY TO GO Mary O! THANK YOU!  
          seeking love and acceptance on a path of adversity. by ... See MoreSusan Kelly.


          THERE WILL BE NO BOOK, IN FACT THERE WILL BE NONE OF YOU LEFT TO TELL ANYTHING.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZprVPKi-W6s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZprVPKi-W6s)
          Violent actions of the bad people
          Silence and indifference of the good people
          http://www.youtube.com/witness4justice (http://www.youtube.com/witness4justice)

          Eliscu2
          phpBB The one and only
           
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          Re: elan book
          by DannyB II » Yesterday, 22:58

          There is a book. I bought the book from Amazon.com. It is a very interesting read. Mary is definitely a inspiration for what someone can do with a life filled with adversity early on. She blossomed into a very compassionate articulate women.
          The name of the book, Seeking Love And Acceptance On A Path Of Adversity, By Susan Kelly.

          Thank You, Mary for baring a piece of your soul.
          I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.

          I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing.

          Earth is the insane asylum for the universe.

          Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.

          DannyB II
          phpBB Mid Life Crisis Poster

           
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          Re: elan book
          by psy, » 3 minutes ago

          Eliscu2 wrote:
          WTF2 wrote:
          This is a book about one girls life in and outside of Elan ,
          If you were in Elan in the 70's I would think its a must read! I ordered my book cant wait to read it, WAY TO GO Mary O! THANK YOU!  
          seeking love and acceptance on a path of adversity. by ... See MoreSusan Kelly.


          THERE WILL BE NO BOOK, IN FACT THERE WILL BE NONE OF YOU LEFT TO TELL ANYTHING.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZprVPKi-W6s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZprVPKi-W6s)




               Your Fucking Crazy   Felice           , More Meds, Bigger Pills, Taller Bridges, More Guts, Cut Deeper, Put It On Video, Your Fucking nuts girl,Did you ever Google yourself,??????? your scary and nut's.

          psy,
          phpBB Familiar Face

           
          Posts: 57
          Joined: 12 May 2010, 15:29


              :beat:  :beat:   Felice stay over here were you can't hurt yourself,or anyone around you, BECAUSE NO ONE CAN HEAR YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Over hear, :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :lala:  :lala:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

          Hi mark

           :jawdrop:


          Hi kirstin, Mark seems to be popular but no I am not him, He gets blamed for being everyone on here, ??  :cheers:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: Oh and by the way Felice is nut's,. :rocker:  :rocker:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: psy, on September 07, 2010, 10:48:55 PM
          [attachment=0:1t7128ep]Felice Bates.PNG[/attachment:1t7128ep]
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 08, 2010, 07:36:50 AM
          Someone has a stiffy for Felice
          Wonder who pretends to be others on an anoymous website
          Multiple Screen names
          Multiple personalities
          Gotta be a very disturbed person from Elan
          A true Coward
          How shocking
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Eliscu2 on September 08, 2010, 08:20:16 AM
          :nods:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: psy, on September 08, 2010, 08:24:46 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Someone has a stiffy for Felice
          Wonder who pretends to be others on an anoymous website
          Multiple Screen names
          Multiple personalities
          Gotta be a very disturbed person from Elan
          A true Coward
          How shocking


          Quote from: "Eliscu2"
          So true....I am fuckin INSANE!

          Crimially insane lyrics by SLAYER.

          (Lyrics & Music - Hanneman & King)

          Night will come and I will follow
          For my victims, no tomorrow
          Make it fast, your time of sorrow
          On his trail, I'll make you follow

          Quarters for the criminally insane
          The sentence read for life I must remain
          The path I chose has led me to my grave
          To try again I'd have no other way

          Quarters for the criminally insane
          Escape for me has fast become a game
          Soon to be, I'll leave without a trace
          Endangered species end the human race

          (LEAD: HANNEMAN, KING)

          Branded in pain
          Marked criminally insane
          Locked away and kept restrained
          Disapprobation, but what have I done
          I have yet only just begun
          To take your fuckin' lives!

          [Night will come and I will follow
          For my victims, no tomorrow
          Make it fast, your time of sorrow
          On his trail, I'll make you follow]


          And the point your bringing up is what Art ??  This girl is past nut's and likes it. :beat:  :beat:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Eliscu2 on September 08, 2010, 08:43:09 AM
          :poison:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: psy, on September 08, 2010, 09:01:36 AM
          Quote from: "Eliscu2"
          Quote from: "psy,"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Someone has a stiffy for Felice
          Wonder who pretends to be others on an anoymous website
          Multiple Screen names
          Multiple personalities
          Gotta be a very disturbed person from Elan
          A true Coward
          How shocking


          Quote from: "Eliscu2"
          So true....I am fuckin INSANE!

          Crimially insane lyrics by SLAYER.

          (Lyrics & Music - Hanneman & King)

          Night will come and I will follow
          For my victims, no tomorrow
          Make it fast, your time of sorrow
          On his trail, I'll make you follow

          Quarters for the criminally insane
          The sentence read for life I must remain
          The path I chose has led me to my grave
          To try again I'd have no other way

          Quarters for the criminally insane
          Escape for me has fast become a game
          Soon to be, I'll leave without a trace
          Endangered species end the human race

          (LEAD: HANNEMAN, KING)

          Branded in pain
          Marked criminally insane
          Locked away and kept restrained
          Disapprobation, but what have I done
          I have yet only just begun
          To take your fuckin' lives!

          [Night will come and I will follow
          For my victims, no tomorrow
          Make it fast, your time of sorrow
          On his trail, I'll make you follow]


          And the point your bringing up is what Art ??  This girl is past nut's and likes it. :beat:  :beat:
          I AM AN ARTIST WHAT IS YOUR EXCUSE???
          SERIOUSLY I AM A WEAPON OF MASS PRODUCTION AND I THINK SOMEONE DOES NOT LIKE IT.
          I DON'T FUCKIN CARE WHATSOME IDIOT ON FORNITS THINKS :sue:


           :jawdrop:  { According to the State of Wisconsin your labeled insane. Is that the same thing. ?
          Is trying to commit suicide an expression of your artistic feelings you nut case.? How about your ramblings on the web. ? } :beat:  :beat:

          Wisconsin woman forced to take psychiatric drugs
          A MindFreedom member, volunteer and artist -- Felice Debra Eliscu -- is being forced to take powerful psychiatric drugs against her will. MindFreedom has issued a human rights MFI Shield alert. You can help.

           
          Felice Eliscu



          MindFreedom Shield Alert - 12 August 2008


          Wisconsin woman forced to take psychiatric drugs.
          Says her forced psychiatric drugging caused suicidal feelings.
          How you can contact Wisconsin Governor to say "no!"


          Felice just wants the forced psychiatric drugging to stop.

          Felice Debra Eliscu is an artist who says that years of forced psychiatric drugging make her want to harm herself, and she wants other alternatives provided.

          Felice is a 42-year-old member and volunteer with MindFreedom International who is currently locked up in Winnebago Mental Health Institute near Oshkosh, Wisconsin.

          Such forced drugging happens to thousands of Americans each year. But Felice is signed up on the MindFreedom Shield, which means that when threatened by forced psychiatry she can activate an alert network reaching hundreds of MindFreedom members.

          Felice is activating the MindFreedom Shield, and asking everyone to contact the Governor of Wisconsin via the web.



          FELICE'S FORCED DRUGGING: THE STORY IN BRIEF

          Felice is a unique and creative individual with an interest in metaphysical art, which you can see on this web site:

          http://www.kabbalart.com (http://www.kabbalart.com)

          Felice tells MindFreedom that a lot of her current troubles started in 2001 when she got into a dispute with a correction's officer, and she was charged with assault. She was found "not guilty by reason of insanity" and spent several years locked up in the Winnebago psychiatric institution where she was forcibly drugged.

          She was let out about three years ago under a program called "conditional release" where she had to agree to take powerful psychiatric drugs, perhaps for the rest of her life, in exchange for her freedom.

          Felice says, "When I was let out of the institution I was prescribed six or seven psychiatric medications. My face started to twitch on Abilify, so I stopped taking it."

          Even though she says her psychiatrist supported her decision to quit Abilify, she said other parts of her psychiatric team wanted her to continue taking such powerful neuroleptic or "antipsychotic" psychiatric drugs.

          She said her outpatient forced drugging was monitored by Lutheran Social Services, which even has religious content in their printed material for the program. Felice said at one point three college students were hired, and one by one they would drop by each and every day at Felice's home to watch her take her psychiatric drugs at 8 am, noon and 4 pm.

          "All the forced drugging finally freaked me out," says Felice. "Last week I took a bunch of pills. I didn't mean to kill myself. I meant it as a radical statement."

          Forced psychiatric drugging has helped push others into suicide, such as MindFreedom Minnesota member Mike Heston:

          http://www.mindfreedom.org/kb/prison-mental-health (http://www.mindfreedom.org/kb/prison-mental-health)

          On 6 August 2008, after taking the bunch of pills, Felice was admitted based what was seen as a suicide attempt, which is a violation of her conditional release.

          "I'm worried I'll lose everything. The mental health system runs everything, my housing, my possessions. They even own the parking lot where my vehicle is parked. I want the forced drugging to stop. I want help, but I don't want forced psychiatric drugging."



          ACTION:

          Felice asks that people contact Wisconsin Governor Jim Doyle via his web site.

          Sample message -- your own words are best:

          "Stop the forced psychiatric drugging of artist Felice Eliscu at Winnebago Mental Health Institute! Provide humane alternatives to forced psychiatric drugging, which is causing trauma to Felice!"

          Use this easy web form for Gov Doyle:

          http://www.wisgov.state.wi.us/contact.asp?locid=19 (http://www.wisgov.state.wi.us/contact.asp?locid=19)

          or use this web link:

          http://tinyurl.com/gov-doyle (http://tinyurl.com/gov-doyle)

          Felice is part of the MindFreedom Shield program. For more info on that, including a list of those signed up on the Shield directory, see:

          http://www.mindfreedom.org/shield (http://www.mindfreedom.org/shield)

          Please forward this alert to all appropriate places on and off Internet



           { And lets not forget your expression of artistic talent in your videos,}

           http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... Y_YngJ6r5A (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=8&ved=0CDQQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.myspace.com%2Feliscu&ei=qIaHTOrzBoWZnAfgjvnJDA&usg=AFQjCNFev0wMscShTl7fVqTeY_YngJ6r5A)


          {  :beat:  Your A Nut Felice , the aliens are coming, oh sorry just the cops again to take you away. :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  

          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... IOpU98LeEg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBIQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DhnzHtm1jhL4&ei=7IiHTPvvKs3PngfbqI3TCw&usg=AFQjCNFrw-5Zb3JH5Hblzf7mIOpU98LeEg)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 08, 2010, 09:03:54 AM
          And the point your bringing up is what Art ?? This girl is past nut's and likes it
           
          I think you have made my point for us all
          You are sick and in desperate need of attention,and a swift kick in the nuts
          if you had any
          Felice must be a huge threat to you,or why would you bother
          Coward
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: psy, on September 08, 2010, 09:13:18 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          And the point your bringing up is what Art ?? This girl is past nut's and likes it
           
          I think you have made my point for us all
          You are sick and in desperate need of attention,and a swift kick in the nuts
          if you had any
          Felice must be a huge threat to you,or why would you bother
          Coward


          Oh stop Art she will hate you next week and then love you a month from now. As far as sick people even you dont have the credentials and certification she does. So you are truly defending the wrong person. She comes around with her weird bag of shit and parades around like she is in the home for the insane and no one notices her craziness. Well she is nuts beyond words. and your a Pedophile. Two peas in a pod. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: I dont why you are picking a fight with me Art. Didn't Babitz and the Reporter and the rest of them just get done exposing you and handing you your ass again ?  :waaaa:  :waaaa:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 08, 2010, 10:01:07 AM
          No they did not
          they made asses out of themselves Danny (best guess)
          Kinda like you are doing now. Again.. or still.
          IF she is so sick,and insignificant.. What really IS your point ?
          As far as I can tell,that deal with Babitz and his other screen names is over.
          Is that your best defense ? Wanting to be more like Babitz
          You really are having a bad day arent you
          Hope you feel better soon
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 08, 2010, 10:15:37 AM
          :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  Elan takes the show on the road  :rocker:  :rocker:


          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... SVIDLxvS_A (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CBkQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theforecaster.net%2Fcontent%2Fs-scardownsproperty-090310&ei=V5iHTIGJCsv9nAf0koXmDA&usg=AFQjCNFaMi4pqWpadtwZySP3SVIDLxvS_A)


          They  have to be selling off and consolidating. the houses are in disrepair and the liability has to be huge. The Old Black Widow wants out. I wounder what and were Pan Face and Gottlieb will do with their the rest of their miserable life's ,???  After 35 years of being the controller, how will they respond to being the controlled,?? :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  may they suffer forever in life. :karma:  :karma:  :karma: .


          P.S." Art "  is right  PSY, why don't you pick on someone who isn't tied up, in some problems now,??? Or are you the Phantom Troll,??  Ether way maybe you could, Fuck Off, :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 08, 2010, 02:47:20 PM
          Hey Danny
          Click your heels 3 times and repeat after me
          "I is a fuckstick"
          Do this 600,000 times and maybe, you will  get it
          You are as unwanted here,as you are in real life. As can be seen by the dozens of hostile responses by dozens of people
          What part of this dont you get ?
          Did Felice hurt your feelers ?  
          Are you 12 ?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: psy, on September 08, 2010, 03:52:44 PM
          [attachment=0:3co23413]nut.PNG[/attachment:3co23413]






          [attachment=1:3co23413]felice.PNG[/attachment:3co23413]
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: psy, on September 08, 2010, 04:03:54 PM
          [attachment=1:1ptfxqhh]Capture.PNG[/attachment:1ptfxqhh]





           :rasta:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: [attachment=0:1ptfxqhh]nut1.PNG[/attachment:1ptfxqhh]
          Title: FIND THIS
          Post by: Eliscu2 on September 08, 2010, 05:31:17 PM
          :fuckoff:
          Title: Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
          Post by: Joel on September 08, 2010, 05:36:10 PM
          Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
          Title: Re: FIND THIS
          Post by: Anti-Troll on September 08, 2010, 05:43:03 PM
          :feedtrolls:
          Title: Re: FIND THIS
          Post by: psy, on September 08, 2010, 09:44:15 PM
          Quote from: "Eliscu2"
          :fuckoff:
          [attachment=0:2uazu075]LOVE.jpg[/attachment:2uazu075]


          Your nut's Felice
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: psy, on September 08, 2010, 09:51:50 PM
          Danny should have exposed you when you confessed your deeds at Elan you psycho, Remember when you poured the electric sauce .?  And laughed at her.? I do and remember you and your corner act and how you would act out and cry and scream like you were crazy and wanted to go back home you would say. You crazy nut. remember.?

          Your mother was nuts and she set you up. Remember.? Thats what you said in group the few times you were able to attend and not shot down or in the corner you crazy nut. Elan was made for you. Your a cancer and need to radiate away. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :flame:  :flame:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:


           I remember having a split contract with you and you told you bitch. And I said you were lying and you freaked out and they believed me. You haven't changed a bit you nut case. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: psy, on September 08, 2010, 10:03:31 PM
          :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:    [attachment=0:dq4an86b]Filece's Best Place.PNG[/attachment:dq4an86b]   :cheers:  :cheers:  :beat:  :beat:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: psy, on September 08, 2010, 10:09:26 PM
          [attachment=0:aoj8bgnh]felice.PNG[/attachment:aoj8bgnh]
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: psy, on September 08, 2010, 10:36:43 PM
          [attachment=0:fe7ue51u]Move Out.PNG[/attachment:fe7ue51u]Wisconsin Circuit Courts . Tab

          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... _8R3m9IiuQ (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwcca.wicourts.gov%2F&ei=hkKITMvUKoXQsAO8wumLCg&usg=AFQjCNFm7Fndj3g1qaOA5B-K_8R3m9IiuQ)


          Pop in Felices name and read away
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: psy, on September 08, 2010, 10:43:04 PM
          People life Felice are the reasons why  Elan and like school or institution closures dont happen. They are so documented as crazy. No one listens to us. We are sniffled by the screams of the true insane and why. ???. Just because they are nuts and admit it why should we all suffer and not be heard.?? Felice is worse than staff. She is the reason for Staff.
          Title: Re: FIND THIS
          Post by: psy, on September 08, 2010, 10:52:14 PM
          Quote from: "Anti-Troll"
          Quote from: "Joel"
          Quote from: "Eliscu2"
          :fuckoff:
          [attachment=1:uwmlmjiu]LOVE.jpg[/attachment:uwmlmjiu]


          You aren't posting people's youtube account information.   :D
          http://http://www.spirit-of-metal.com/discographie-groupe-Yngwie_Malmsteen-type-Video-l-en.html

          OH HOW LAME OF ME NOT TO INCLUDE THE MUSIC......
          WITH THE ART....
          [attachment=0:uwmlmjiu]FUCKOFFEdit.jpg[/attachment:uwmlmjiu]


           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: Joel she is a Troll and a Pirate and Nut. Read her blog she is CRAZY
          Title: Re: FIND THIS
          Post by: psy, on September 08, 2010, 10:56:34 PM
          Quote from: "psy,"
          Quote from: "Anti-Troll"
          Quote from: "Joel"
          Quote from: "Eliscu2"
          :fuckoff:
          [attachment=1:3gcha51a]LOVE.jpg[/attachment:3gcha51a]


          You aren't posting people's youtube account information.   :D
          http://http://www.spirit-of-metal.com/discographie-groupe-Yngwie_Malmsteen-type-Video-l-en.html

          OH HOW LAME OF ME NOT TO INCLUDE THE MUSIC......
          WITH THE ART....
          [attachment=0:3gcha51a]FUCKOFFEdit.jpg[/attachment:3gcha51a]


           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: Joel she is a Troll and a Pirate and Nut. Read her blog she is

          Art is not even as Crazy as Felice. He is a Pedophile. But Felice was born nuts  Art was made Pedophile being around those young kids at Elan. And the boys home he worked at ten years ago . :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: psy, on September 08, 2010, 11:06:00 PM
          Quote from: "garystadler"
          he Elan Community
          by Eliscu2 » 10 Dec 2009, 16:56

          Danny Bennison wrote:
          I was an ex-staff and Director and I have experienced some hostility from ex-residents. Now to be honest I can't say I have handeled the conversations well especially the passionate ones. Now I was 17,18 and 19 when I was staff and I don't pretend to stand here and say I knew the job professionally or was trained. It was 31yrs. ago. I am having trouble adjusting, (I was a resident like everyone else than went to staff at 17 (what a joke) ) with my fellow residents. Would really like some advice on my re-entry back in to socializing. I have not done this since 1978 didn't even know these sites excisted.

          Go Blow Jeff Gottlieb or Marty.
          No body remembers you, but they remember each other hmmmmm.
          Push your  somewhere else. "It has become appalling obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity." Albert Einstein
          Eliscu2
          phpBB The one and only
           
          Posts: 722
          Joined: 12 Jan 2002, 09:00
          Location: Wormhole of Hell
          Private messageWebsiteMSNM/WLMYIM :beat:  :beat:  :beat:


          Another Elan Ass and Cancer
          Title: Re: FIND THIS
          Post by: psy, on September 08, 2010, 11:06:26 PM
          Quote from: "psy,"
          Quote from: "psy,"
          Quote from: "Anti-Troll"
          Quote from: "Joel"
          Quote from: "Eliscu2"
          :fuckoff:
          [attachment=1:4vu44m2a]LOVE.jpg[/attachment:4vu44m2a]


          You aren't posting people's youtube account information.   :D
          http://http://www.spirit-of-metal.com/discographie-groupe-Yngwie_Malmsteen-type-Video-l-en.html

          OH HOW LAME OF ME NOT TO INCLUDE THE MUSIC......
          WITH THE ART....
          [attachment=0:4vu44m2a]FUCKOFFEdit.jpg[/attachment:4vu44m2a]


           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: Joel she is a Troll and a Pirate and Nut. Read her blog she is

          Art is not even as Crazy as Felice. He is a Pedophile. But Felice was born nuts  Art was made Pedophile being around those young kids at Elan. And the boys home he worked at ten years ago . :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB II on September 08, 2010, 11:08:38 PM
          Lets get something clear right now, this degenerate posting this info under the username, Psy (impersonating) is not Daniel L. Bennison.
           
          If there is any question about this I give the real, Psy (administrator) permission to acknowledge said information.

          I will say this about some of you Elan folk, the measures you will go to humiliate one another is shocking, why are you so angry at one another. Most of you if not all were not even at Elan during the same period of time.

          Is there any meat left at all on your bones, I would think y'all had chewed it off by now.
           
          Guys and gals.....stop.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Che Gookin on September 08, 2010, 11:22:27 PM
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          Lets get something clear right now, this degenerate posting this info under the username, Psy (impersonating) is not Daniel L. Bennison.
           
          If there is any question about this I give the real, Psy (administrator) permission to acknowledge said information.

          I will say this about some of you Elan folk, the measures you will go to humiliate one another is shocking, why are you so angry at one another. Most of you if not all were not even at Elan during the same period of time.

          Is there any meat left at all on your bones, I would think y'all had chewed it off by now.
           
          Guys and gals.....stop.

          I think we all sort of reckoned psy, the poster isn't you. At least I haven't ever thought that.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB II on September 09, 2010, 01:12:31 AM
          Quote from: "Che Gookin"
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          Lets get something clear right now, this degenerate posting this info under the username, Psy (impersonating) is not Daniel L. Bennison.
           
          If there is any question about this I give the real, Psy (administrator) permission to acknowledge said information.

          I will say this about some of you Elan folk, the measures you will go to humiliate one another is shocking, why are you so angry at one another. Most of you if not all were not even at Elan during the same period of time.

          Is there any meat left at all on your bones, I would think y'all had chewed it off by now.
           
          Guys and gals.....stop.

          I think we all sort of reckoned psy, the poster isn't you. At least I haven't ever thought that.


          Art wrote these two posts on page 101, I just wanted it clear.

           
          #1
          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies

          Postby liarsexposed » Yesterday, 9:01 am
          No they did not
          they made asses out of themselves Danny (best guess)
          Kinda like you are doing now. Again.. or still.
          IF she is so sick,and insignificant.. What really IS your point ?
          As far as I can tell,that deal with Babitz and his other screen names is over.
          Is that your best defense ? Wanting to be more like Babitz
          You really are having a bad day arent you
          Hope you feel better soon



          #2
          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies

          Postby liarsexposed » Yesterday, 1:47 pm
          Hey Danny
          Click your heels 3 times and repeat after me
          "I is a fuckstick"
          Do this 600,000 times and maybe, you will get it
          You are as unwanted here,as you are in real life. As can be seen by the dozens of hostile responses by dozens of people
          What part of this dont you get ?
          Did Felice hurt your feelers ?
          Are you 12 ?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Che Gookin on September 09, 2010, 01:16:15 AM
          Well if art said it, it must be true.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 09, 2010, 07:12:00 AM
          Quote from: "Che Gookin"
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          Lets get something clear right now, this degenerate posting this info under the username, Psy (impersonating) is not Daniel L. Bennison.
           
          If there is any question about this I give the real, Psy (administrator) permission to acknowledge said information.

          I will say this about some of you Elan folk, the measures you will go to humiliate one another is shocking, why are you so angry at one another. Most of you if not all were not even at Elan during the same period of time.

          Is there any meat left at all on your bones, I would think y'all had chewed it off by now.
           
          Guys and gals.....stop.

          That would mean I would owe an apology to Danny
          You are right about being the meanest on the planet
          This is all part of the same game that Mark has taught to his disciples,or its Mark himself
          I have a screen name.. Its liarsexposed. I do not pretend to be others.
          I find it a shame that this person would have a conversation with someone on the phone
          then resort to this on fornits
          Danny.. I was wrong and I am sorry
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Eliscu2 on September 09, 2010, 08:02:21 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "Che Gookin"
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          Lets get something clear right now, this degenerate posting this info under the username, Psy (impersonating) is not Daniel L. Bennison.
           
          If there is any question about this I give the real, Psy (administrator) permission to acknowledge said information.

          I will say this about some of you Elan folk, the measures you will go to humiliate one another is shocking, why are you so angry at one another. Most of you if not all were not even at Elan during the same period of time.

          Is there any meat left at all on your bones, I would think y'all had chewed it off by now.
           
          Guys and gals.....stop.

          That would mean I would owe an apology to Danny
          You are right about being the meanest on the planet
          This is all part of the same game that Mark has taught to his disciples,or its Mark himself
          I have a screen name.. Its liarsexposed. I do not pretend to be others.
          I find it a shame that this person would have a conversation with someone on the phone
          then resort to this on fornits
          Danny.. I was wrong and I am sorry
          L 'SHANA TOVA ART!
          I have multiple accounts disorder and spellcheck dependency.
          I agree that Mark and Sharon Mc Octoweak are fuckin lame as hell.
          I COULD BUST OUT WITH 1000 OLD YIDDSH SAYINGS RIGHT NOW, BUT WHAT THE HELL i'LL WAIT 5 MINUTES :beat:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 09, 2010, 08:26:04 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "Che Gookin"
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          Lets get something clear right now, this degenerate posting this info under the username, Psy (impersonating) is not Daniel L. Bennison.
           
          If there is any question about this I give the real, Psy (administrator) permission to acknowledge said information.

          I will say this about some of you Elan folk, the measures you will go to humiliate one another is shocking, why are you so angry at one another. Most of you if not all were not even at Elan during the same period of time.

          Is there any meat left at all on your bones, I would think y'all had chewed it off by now.
           
          Guys and gals.....stop.



           :cheers:  :cheers:  Wrong, " Art " it's  not me,  your pretty good at spiting bile yourself and stirring the pot. I wish you would quit blaming me for all on Fornits. I don't have anything to say bad about Felice. :rocker:  :rocker:



          That would mean I would owe an apology to Danny
          You are right about being the meanest on the planet
          This is all part of the same game that Mark has taught to his disciples,or its Mark himself
          I have a screen name.. Its liarsexposed. I do not pretend to be others.
          I find it a shame that this person would have a conversation with someone on the phone
          then resort to this on fornits
          Danny.. I was wrong and I am sorry
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Eliscu2 on September 09, 2010, 08:33:54 AM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "Che Gookin"
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          Lets get something clear right now, this degenerate posting this info under the username, Psy (impersonating) is not Daniel L. Bennison.
           
          If there is any question about this I give the real, Psy (administrator) permission to acknowledge said information.

          I will say this about some of you Elan folk, the measures you will go to humiliate one another is shocking, why are you so angry at one another. Most of you if not all were not even at Elan during the same period of time.

          Is there any meat left at all on your bones, I would think y'all had chewed it off by now.
           
          Guys and gals.....stop.



           :cheers:  :cheers:  Wrong, " Art " it's  not me,  your pretty good at spiting bile yourself and stirring the pot. I wish you would quit blaming me for all on Fornits. I don't have anything to say bad about Felice. :rocker:  :rocker:



          That would mean I would owe an apology to Danny
          You are right about being the meanest on the planet
          This is all part of the same game that Mark has taught to his disciples,or its Mark himself
          I have a screen name.. Its liarsexposed. I do not pretend to be others.
          I find it a shame that this person would have a conversation with someone on the phone
          then resort to this on fornits
          Danny.. I was wrong and I am sorry
          OH WELL MAYBE I AM TRIPPING BUT I SEEM TO REMEMBER MANY FULL ON ATTACKS WHEN YOU TWO SHOWED UP HERE AT FORNITS.
          I WOULD NOT JOIN YOUR LITTLE CULT AND THEN I WAS ATTACKED FOREVER AROUND HERE.
          WHEN I BUSTED YOU BY POSTING YOUR IP ADDRESS ALL HELL BROKE LOOSE.
          JUST FINE BY ME.....I AM THE C.E.O. OF FUCKIN HELL.
          FOR ALL I KNOW YOU ARE SOME IDIOT IN A NURSNG HOME OR PRISON CELL WITH INTERNET ACCESS..... :roflmao:
          SHARRON MC LAMO AND HER DAILY STORY'S OF TRAGEDY.....PLEASE DO NOT INSULT MY INTELLIGENCE! ::puke::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 09, 2010, 08:46:16 AM
          Quote from: "Eliscu2"
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "Che Gookin"
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          Lets get something clear right now, this degenerate posting this info under the username, Psy (impersonating) is not Daniel L. Bennison.
           
          If there is any question about this I give the real, Psy (administrator) permission to acknowledge said information.

          I will say this about some of you Elan folk, the measures you will go to humiliate one another is shocking, why are you so angry at one another. Most of you if not all were not even at Elan during the same period of time.

          Is there any meat left at all on your bones, I would think y'all had chewed it off by now.
           
          Guys and gals.....stop.



           :cheers:  :cheers:  Wrong, " Art " it's  not me,  your pretty good at spiting bile yourself and stirring the pot. I wish you would quit blaming me for all on Fornits. I don't have anything to say bad about Felice. :rocker:  :rocker:



          That would mean I would owe an apology to Danny
          You are right about being the meanest on the planet
          This is all part of the same game that Mark has taught to his disciples,or its Mark himself
          I have a screen name.. Its liarsexposed. I do not pretend to be others.
          I find it a shame that this person would have a conversation with someone on the phone
          then resort to this on fornits
          Danny.. I was wrong and I am sorry
          OH WELL MAYBE I AM TRIPPING BUT I SEEM TO REMEMBER MANY FULL ON ATTACKS WHEN YOU TWO SHOWED UP HERE AT FORNITS.
          I WOULD NOT JOIN YOUR LITTLE CULT AND THEN I WAS ATTACKED FOREVER AROUND HERE.
          WHEN I BUSTED YOU BY POSTING YOUR IP ADDRESS ALL HELL BROKE LOOSE.
          JUST FINE BY ME.....I AM THE C.E.O. OF FUCKIN HELL.
          FOR ALL I KNOW YOU ARE SOME IDIOT IN A NURSNG HOME OR PRISON CELL WITH INTERNET ACCESS..... :roflmao:
          SHARRON MC LAMO AND HER DAILY STORY'S OF TRAGEDY.....PLEASE DO NOT INSULT MY INTELLIGENCE! ::puke::

          I can assure you Felice I am not out to get you, I have no reason, your other friend though, ?? You have attacked her pretty good in some of the forums around, blaming her for a tragedy that she was involved in. You probably tipped the bottle over, as they say, and got them on the war path. I personally have stayed far away from that whole discussion. I don't care what happened that night or how, I am just glad the kids weren't killed and their Mom. The driver was a shame, and may he rest in peace.

          That was a whole situation to just stay away from,and just observe. :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :cheers:  :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 09, 2010, 08:59:56 AM
          One of,if not THE smartest thing I have ever seen you or your other screen names post ever.
          Happy New Year Felice
          Please make this year count. God knows how many we all have left.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Eliscu2 on September 09, 2010, 10:38:05 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          One of,if not THE smartest thing I have ever seen you or your other screen names post ever.
          Happy New Year Felice
          Please make this year count. God knows how many we all have left.

          SAME TO YOU ART.
          OBVIOUSLY THESE FUCKIN IDIOTS HAVE NO HISTORY LIKE A HOLOCAUST.
          TO THEM IT IS ALL A BULLSHIT FUCKINGAME.
          FUCK SHARRON AND HER KIDS, IF THEY ALL DIED RIGHT NOW I WOULD NOT GIVE A FLYING FUCK!
          MAY YOU AND YOUR'S BE WELL ART.
          L'SHANA TOVA! :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Eliscu2 on September 09, 2010, 10:46:58 AM
          :seg2:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB II on September 09, 2010, 04:38:55 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "Che Gookin"
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          Lets get something clear right now, this degenerate posting this info under the username, Psy (impersonating) is not Daniel L. Bennison.
           
          If there is any question about this I give the real, Psy (administrator) permission to acknowledge said information.

          I will say this about some of you Elan folk, the measures you will go to humiliate one another is shocking, why are you so angry at one another. Most of you if not all were not even at Elan during the same period of time.

          Is there any meat left at all on your bones, I would think y'all had chewed it off by now.
           
          Guys and gals.....stop.

          That would mean I would owe an apology to Danny
          You are right about being the meanest on the planet
          This is all part of the same game that Mark has taught to his disciples,or its Mark himself
          I have a screen name.. Its liarsexposed. I do not pretend to be others.
          I find it a shame that this person would have a conversation with someone on the phone
          then resort to this on fornits
          Danny.. I was wrong and I am sorry


          Thanks, apology accepted.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 10, 2010, 07:34:17 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          One of,if not THE smartest thing I have ever seen you or your other screen names post ever.
          Happy New Year Felice
          Please make this year count. God knows how many we all have left.


          " Art "  I think we both know who and what we deal with when coming time to Felice, I was friends with her on FB, until she started bashing and looking for support condemning one of our friends, You know which one,And then she un-friended me for who knows what,??  I never even responded to her.,?? I am not Psy or have I ever been, but from the looks of Felice's latest break down, it's good that they came.


          ART.
          OBVIOUSLY THESE FUCKIN IDIOTS HAVE NO HISTORY LIKE A HOLOCAUST.
          TO THEM IT IS ALL A BULLSHIT FUCKINGAME.
          FUCK SHARRON AND HER KIDS, IF THEY ALL DIED RIGHT NOW I WOULD NOT GIVE A FLYING FUCK!
          MAY YOU AND YOUR'S BE WELL ART.
          L'SHANA TOVA! :cheers:[/quote]


          What in the hell do any of the post, have to do with the Holocaust,?? I am Jewish like you Art and same with the other person who Felice attacked, Is Felice going say she is a Holocaust Survivor now, ?? I don't understand the part about the kids ether. I think her problem is in the post above, Those folks she don't give a dam about, came to see her the day of the tragic accident. The time before, Sharon went up there with food etc, But the cops had already broke in and took Felice to jail, on suicide attempt,number 20, this year. Then they sent her to the bug house.


          The day of the accident she also got thrown in jail for 10 days she said, Thats why know one could reach her, to tell he one of her friends that just left, was killed in a car accident, They went to Felice's to see if she was ok and if they could help out in any way.

          Nice Thank You, to your diseased friend Felice. and injured friends. I see how  fucked up and weird you are, and it's a shame.



          Felice Debra Eliscu August 12 at 2:17am Report
          OMG i was in the County Jail till today IN SECLUSION!!)...call me soon I gotta move now!
          NO WAY TIM cann't be DEAD!!!!! Im flippin now :(quote]




          Those are the words of a sound mind :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  Stay away from the cars while playing Felice.


          by Eliscu2 » Yesterday, 15:46

          MARK YOU ARE ABOUT TO OBSERVE SOME SERIOUS OUTTA THIS WORLD SHIT!
          BLOW IT OUT YOUR ASS MOTHERFUCKER!
          YOU FUCKED WITH THE WRONG ONE THIS TIME!
          "HERE COME THE JUDGE"



          You are something Felice, but I am not the one to yell at, Look in the mirror and blame that person. :beat:  :beat:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 10, 2010, 10:06:39 AM
          You know Mark
          I was gonna say something about YOUR illness... But I would be a fool to think you would care
          or get yourself some help
          Best of luck
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Botched Programming on September 10, 2010, 10:42:53 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          You know Mark
          My issue is not with Felice. Felice has her own problems,as do we all. A real friend looks beyond those problems,and just wants what is best for them. I am not defending Felice's actions.

          I support Felice as well !!! And you are right Arty... A real friend looks past those problems are, you look deeper inside that person's soul and get to know a little about who they really are.


          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Her challenges are her own. But I will not stop loving her,or being there for her,in her time of need. She was just here 2 weeks ago. I hugged her,fed her some dinner,and sent her on her way. She knows she needs help. Its just not my job to make her feel worse when she reaches out.
          I do what I can,when I can,to be as good to her as possible.
          Thats who I wanna be


          I agree totally here as well... This is what is known as true friends, a person who is actually there for you in a time of need or crisis... Who knows you may become in need one day and she might be the only person who could help you out... What at that point should she think... I am merely asking that you don't give her such a hard time... She's going through a pretty rough patch, and this crap does not do a person good whether or not you are going through a rough patch or not.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 10, 2010, 01:03:28 PM
          ..
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: psy, on September 10, 2010, 09:55:22 PM
          Quote from: "Botched Programming"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          You know Mark
          My issue is not with Felice. Felice has her own problems,as do we all. A real friend looks beyond those problems,and just wants what is best for them. I am not defending Felice's actions.

          I support Felice as well !!! And you are right Arty... A real friend looks past those problems are, you look deeper inside that person's soul and get to know a little about who they really are.


          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Her challenges are her own. But I will not stop loving her,or being there for her,in her time of need. She was just here 2 weeks ago. I hugged her,fed her some dinner,and sent her on her way. She knows she needs help. Its just not my job to make her feel worse when she reaches out.
          I do what I can,when I can,to be as good to her as possible.
          Thats who I wanna be


          I agree totally here as well... This is what is known as true friends, a person who is actually there for you in a time of need or crisis... Who knows you may become in need one day and she might be the only person who could help you out... What at that point should she think... I am merely asking that you don't give her such a hard time... She's going through a pretty rough patch, and this crap does not do a person good whether or not you are going through a rough patch or not.

          " Botched Programming " With all due respect most folks as far out as Felice are hospitalized. Not just for the good of them but for the good of others. It is fine to feel compassion for the ones that are not quit there. But that doesn't give them a hunting licence for others. If you read her harsh words to someone in need of a friend and was acting like a friend to Felice the day of the tragedy  it make you want to puke. ::puke::  ::puke::

          I have read her blogs and what she writes and it is quite scary what she thinks about. Felice gets arrested on the average of once a month for something, Drugs, Driving Illegally, Civil Complaints etc. Who would want a friend like that ?? really ??. She would never be in a position to help anyone.She cant help herself and she is in her late 40's and climbing. If she was a guy you would all call her a derelict or worse. And be right to say it. To post thing like she doesn't care about people getting killed ?? especially kids. What does that say, ?? Be honest with yourself. That is someone who you would support out of piety ??
          This person would say the same thing about any of you out there. I dont know were "Art " comes from He threw her out of his house the last time she was there. But he likes drama. Not that long ago she hated him. So ??? who knows ??  I do know she is fucking crazy and should be in a home with locked doors .As the State of Wisconsin and every other place she's has been have finally done in the end.  Sitting around cutting her wrists and posting it on the web ?? Posting video of her cuts and scares like they are trophy's. Well she is getting feed back. Isn't that the reason people post thing ?? :rocker:  :rocker:  Sometimes the feed back is more shocking that the post. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:






          SAME TO YOU ART.
          OBVIOUSLY THESE FUCKIN IDIOTS HAVE NO HISTORY LIKE A HOLOCAUST.
          TO THEM IT IS ALL A BULLSHIT FUCKINGAME.
          FUCK SHARRON AND HER KIDS, IF THEY ALL DIED RIGHT NOW I WOULD NOT GIVE A FLYING FUCK!
          MAY YOU AND YOUR'S BE WELL ART.
          L'SHANA TOVA! :cheers:[/quote]
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: psy, on September 10, 2010, 10:01:31 PM
          :cheers:  :cheers:  Arts best response to anything  :cheers:  :cheers:




          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          ..
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 10, 2010, 10:14:03 PM
          Quote from: "psy,"
          :cheers:  :cheers:  Arts best response to anything  :cheers:  :cheers:




          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          ..


          That I do agree with, :cheers:  :cheers:
          Why is everyone so quick to beat up Danny for is argumentative ways and opinions, But Felice walks with no wake. ??  :beat:   Oh I know, " Danny " is suppose to know better, he is not crazy like her. I have never herd Danny wish people dead or killed, I have never seen where he has tried to kill himself and brag about it. Felice should be in a hospital, she is back and forth any way, And there isnt a crazy person in the state hospital, we all know that, :rofl:  :rofl:  She even admits to being insane. Thats more honesty then her defenders show. Thank's  Felice for your honesty. :rocker:  :rocker:  :suicide:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 11, 2010, 07:32:09 AM
          Poor Marky
          No person to share your bile with.. I guess Felice is an easy target huh
          You are very sick Mark. The one that needs help is you
          Let us know owhat your other screen names think too.
          Dont want them to feel lonely
          You distgust me!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 11, 2010, 10:05:08 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Poor Marky
          No person to share your bile with.. I guess Felice is an easy target huh
          You are very sick Mark. The one that needs help is you
          Let us know owhat your other screen names think too.
          Dont want them to feel lonely
          You distgust me!


           "Art", you should be in the State Hospital with her, Weren't you the one showing sympathy to Sharon and her kids, ? Didn't you say to Sharon how sorry you were about what happed to her and the kids ?? Thats the story I got from her and her sister, Now you stand by Felice, and defend her actions and words,?? What side of your mouth are you talking out of today.

          She hated you a month ago and now everyone must be fine, I understand you don't have allot of people that will talk nice to you. So you  garbage pick. But be careful this nut case Felice will explode on you again, and again. Felice makes herself a target as a nut case, and you having no friends, is a perfect relationship,
          Neither one of you are respected and looked at normally, Felice the drug crazed, institutionalized psychotic and you the Pedophile. Both very different but the same.

          But she is weak in the mind ,and thats right up your alley. Another one you can make a victim of, or already have.

          "Aaron Seymore " Wrote about how brutal, Elan folks are to each other.Well "Art" your ex staff and Felice I don't see had many friends there ether. She claims she spent, all her time in the corner. Until Elan threw her out. I find that very hard to believe, knowing the no limits policy Elan had on discipline, They would have dragged her from a car, or gave her 24 hour G.M.'s one after the other. They would have let her be crazy at Parsonsfield, and seen how far that went. Elan was not a place, that would throw anyone out for discipline problems. We are talking about Elan folks, one of the worst and most brutal programs ever drawn up. And to get out, all someone had to do is not cooperate,??? :rofl:  :rofl: . Well lets say she wasn't in any Elan I was in, Maybe the drugs polluted her recollection of where she was really at during those years.

          And if she was that nut's, she was obviously misplaced at Elan , and should have been institutionalized at a State Hospital like all the later years of her life.
          I don't care how crazy Felice is, she doesn't get a free pass to disrupt or make fun of people in real tragedy.
          We all know she is that kind of nut, but it's still not ok. Wishing everyone in that car got killed, is very fucked up, and I would like to see how anyone would argue that.Those folks just left that ass-holes house on a well check mission, She even had them change the locks on her apt, so they couldn't evict her,?? That was real smart thinking.?? :rofl:  :rofl:
          And on their way home they got into a fatal crash,and she wasn't even around to tell what happed, much less to help. Why??  Because the Cops picked her up and threw her in jail for 10 days she said. And now she thinks the whole thing was a joke,??


          Quote from: Che Gookin


          I will say this about some of you Elan folk, the measures you will go to humiliate one another is shocking, why are you so angry at one another. Most of you if not all were not even at Elan during the same period of time.

          Is there any meat left at all on your bones, I would think y'all had chewed it off by now.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 11, 2010, 10:54:10 AM
          Am still looking for that link that involves you Mark
          I also fail to see what you could possibly accomplish by your behaviors
          Is there a point here ?
          My opinion.. YOU have noone to talk to.. So you make up screen persona's to seek attention. You use foul language and demonstrate a keen sense of many distgusting sexual/deviant acts to reinforce your point..regularly
          I also think you are exploiting Sharon and her accident for the purpose of creating insanity. The accident has nothing to do with Felice. It was an accident.. but would be too easy to let that go without making someone pay
          Today,yesterday and several times over its Felice.
          Have you even met this woman ? I doubt it. Kinda like the nice things you have to say about me.. another person you havent met and obviously know nothing about.. beyond your lies and bile
          One more thing before I have to leave and you become the insignificant Troll that you always were...
          Who appointed you Judge over anyone ?
          Is this a paying job ?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 11, 2010, 01:47:13 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Am still looking for that link that involves you Mark
          I also fail to see what you could possibly accomplish by your behaviors
          Is there a point here ?
          My opinion.. YOU have noone to talk to.. So you make up screen persona's to seek attention. You use foul language and demonstrate a keen sense of many distgusting sexual/deviant acts to reinforce your point..regularly
          I also think you are exploiting Sharon and her accident for the purpose of creating insanity. The accident has nothing to do with Felice. It was an accident.. but would be too easy to let that go without making someone pay
          Today,yesterday and several times over its Felice.
          Have you even met this woman ? I doubt it. Kinda like the nice things you have to say about me.. another person you havent met and obviously know nothing about.. beyond your lies and bile
          One more thing before I have to leave and you become the insignificant Troll that you always were...
          Who appointed you Judge over anyone ?
          Is this a paying job ?


          Hey "Art" do you even read the post she puts out, ?? or would prefer to attack me,??
          She is the one who brought up Sharon , remember,??


          Quote from: "Eliscu2"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          One of,if not THE smartest thing I have ever seen you or your other screen names post ever.
          Happy New Year Felice
          Please make this year count. God knows how many we all have left.

          SAME TO YOU ART.
          OBVIOUSLY THESE FUCKIN IDIOTS HAVE NO HISTORY LIKE A HOLOCAUST.
          TO THEM IT IS ALL A BULLSHIT FUCKINGAME.
          FUCK SHARRON AND HER KIDS, IF THEY ALL DIED RIGHT NOW I WOULD NOT GIVE A FLYING FUCK!
          MAY YOU AND YOUR'S BE WELL ART.
          L'SHANA TOVA! :cheers:



          Now who brought up the subject of the accident,?? :beat: , Felice was never the topic of anything here until she flew in on one of her trips. :suicide:  :suicide:

          So why accuse me of things I have no fault in,?? Again the accusation I have more screen names etc.
          I have had no hard feeling or thoughts about Felice until she went over the edge again, and why did she,??
          No one was bashing or bothering her, quite the opposite. So if your able to stand there Art and defend her action, just explain why,? How can you take something that is not there, and twist it into something else,? This not about me, it's about someone getting in Felice's ass for talking stupid again, and at the wrong time. Naturally Danny was the first to blame, then me. But who cares the facts are the facts. So don't twist things " Art " , but then you are twisted, and have as much negative internet publicity as her, and might I say, self inflicted publicity. I will pray for you and your soul Art, Well maybe just you, I don't think you have a soul.


          And were did the Holocaust thing come in, ?? :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 11, 2010, 01:49:00 PM
          Where you able to read all the" Art " ,.???  I can write bigger   :cheers:  :cheers:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 11, 2010, 08:58:27 PM
          How can you take something that is not there, and twist it into something else,?
           
          That is another first for you. 2 Funnies in the same week
          You have been doing this to me for 7-8 years Marky
          The only bad internet press I might have is as a result of you stalking me.. pretending to be others and writing horrific crap that just isnt true
          You are a known liar... Perhaps that is why its so easy for you to play this game every day
          You just need to have someone to look down on.. Be better than.. Unfortunately,thats a TALL order for a Schmuck like you.
          What about my answers Marky ? Who the fuck left and made you God ? Who are you to judge anyone....?
          Who besides Felice said anything about the Holocost Mark ? Why is that so important a point to make. Are you trying to convince others that Felice is nuts ? Dude.. I knew it 30 years ago.. You on the otherhand spend your life trying to convince others of how wonderful you are.. and sorry.. but I just dont see it.. Nor does anyone else.. This is fornits.. Home of the Mentally Ill
          Great band at Dry dock....You will miss it cuz you cant leave the basement,or stop posting hate
          If you ask me.. You are far more dangerous than Felice.. tho she just might take some attention away from you...
          Awwwweeee
          Loser
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 11, 2010, 09:06:27 PM
          Elan discussion from New Forum Policies

          1 ... 102, 103, 104 by garystadler » 17 Jan 2010, 13:51
           
          Again the accusation I have more screen names etc.
          Who started this little 100 page thread Marky ? How come FB removed Gary's Page upon finding it to be fraudulent.
          how about those threats from Jeff Cooper....
          How about the 7-8 screen names that Che had to ban from his FB page
          Its over Marky.. Its been over
          the only person that cant seem to grasp that is yourself
          You are a fraud.. Everyone knows it
          I gotta go.. You are less and less fun every day
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 11, 2010, 09:55:34 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Elan discussion from New Forum Policies

          1 ... 102, 103, 104 by garystadler » 17 Jan 2010, 13:51
           
          Again the accusation I have more screen names etc.
          Who started this little 100 page thread Marky ? How come FB removed Gary's Page upon finding it to be fraudulent.
          how about those threats from Jeff Cooper....
          How about the 7-8 screen names that Che had to ban from his FB page
          Its over Marky.. Its been over
          the only person that cant seem to grasp that is yourself
          You are a fraud.. Everyone knows it
          I gotta go.. You are less and less fun every day


          I am sorry Art, But I don't get your point,?? Is it ok then for someone who is nut as your have said,  



          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          How can you take something that is not there, and twist it into something else,?
           
          That is another first for you. 2 Funnies in the same week
          You have been doing this to me for 7-8 years Marky
          The only bad internet press I might have is as a result of you stalking me.. pretending to be others and writing horrific crap that just isnt true
          You are a known liar... Perhaps that is why its so easy for you to play this game every day
          You just need to have someone to look down on.. Be better than.. Unfortunately,thats a TALL order for a Schmuck like you.
          What about my answers Marky ? Who the fuck left and made you God ? Who are you to judge anyone....?
          Who besides Felice said anything about the Holocost Mark ? Why is that so important a point to make. Are you trying to convince others that Felice is nuts ? Dude.. I knew it 30 years ago.. You on the otherhand spend your life trying to convince others of how wonderful you are.. and sorry.. but I just dont see it.. Nor does anyone else.. This is fornits.. Home of the Mentally Ill
          Great band at Dry dock....You will miss it cuz you cant leave the basement,or stop posting hate
          If you ask me.. You are far more dangerous than Felice.. tho she just might take some attention away from you...
          Awwwweeee
          Loser


          I don't think I was or am judging anyone, that hasn't been judged already. So I miss the point you are trying to make.{ We often show our deepest compassions, for the ones we are most alike.} So I understand your reasons to run to her side, but it's not ok for the two of you abusers, to offend and talk about others when they are down, and fall back on, your sicknesses, as a reason for forgiveness or excuse. :waaaa:  :waaaa:


          I Pray For You Art  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Che Gookin on September 11, 2010, 10:31:09 PM
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          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 11, 2010, 10:42:41 PM
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          Sorry Aaron Seymore  :cheers:  :cheers:
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          I don't think ether one know how to spell their name, the press say's  http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... rDYSiM4Rew (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fornits.com%2Fphpbb%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D22%26t%3D30079%26p%3D359536&ei=aE2MTJ3HIsOUnAflrKWWDA&usg=AFQjCNGeOfRlTw61JOBq95lkrDYSiM4Rew)
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          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 12, 2010, 02:09:48 AM
          Still having trouble with the truth huh Marky..
          Looks like another big night of failure for you
          Just you,your basement,and your computer
          So Gary... Why would you pretend to be others  ? Or is it Joe Gerald ?
          Why would you create a FB account with my picture,and Gary Standler's name ? You do know what they call that dont you Marky ?
          So now you are playing "child of god".. good game,but am pretty sure God knows what is real and what is not
          Perhaps you should pray for forgiveness before you pray for me
          Nite Nite Marky
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 12, 2010, 09:06:38 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Still having trouble with the truth huh Marky..
          Looks like another big night of failure for you
          Just you,your basement,and your computer
          So Gary... Why would you pretend to be others  ? Or is it Joe Gerald ?
          Why would you create a FB account with my picture,and Gary Standler's name ? You do know what they call that dont you Marky ?
          So now you are playing "child of god".. good game,but am pretty sure God knows what is real and what is not
          Perhaps you should pray for forgiveness before you pray for me
          Nite Nite Marky


          God bless you Art, and thanks for thinking about me before you, I will pray for myself first,and then for you and the crazy whore you run with, I just ask if you could, don't leave 8 Ball out,heshe needs you for your support and abuse, Have a great day and don't Shit your camper shorts.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 12, 2010, 09:10:12 AM
          What happen Art ,?? Danny to much for you, ?? you got tired of stalking me and went to Danny, and he handed you your ass and now back to me. Once again you have been caught. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 12, 2010, 09:23:58 AM
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          Maximilian wrote:
          I will respond to respectful posts, as I have shown. But I am going to ignore the insults and judgmental criticisms of my life directed at me. So if you are wondering why I'm not responding to you, try being a little more respectful next time. Thanks.

          Like always, people are free to ignore my threads and start their own.


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          How is Edward your Dad? oh he is dead...


          More words of kindness from Crazy Jane, I haven't seen her post in a few days, is she back in jail or the mental ward again Art,?? I bet I am right. :karma:  :karma: , Maybe she is doing research on the Holocaust, but then, she is one of those fake Jews that cry piety, Probably from Russia,I am Jewish and have been for 50 years and have never met a Jew like her. Hell is were she will go, not heaven, so why even discuss religion. Her father the Rabbi tried a exorcist and gave up, Then the State took over, :beat:  :beat:  
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          Post by: mark babitz on September 12, 2010, 09:33:19 AM
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          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 12, 2010, 09:43:23 AM
          God bless you Art, and thanks for thinking about me before you, I will pray for myself first,and then for you and the crazy whore you run with, I just ask if you could, don't leave 8 Ball out,heshe needs you for your support and abuse, Have a great day and don't Shit your camper shorts. [/quote]
           
          Same old dull weapons but no answers Gary. You must be upset. Not sure about Danny handing me anything. I was wrong,I apologized. Thats what big boys do Jo Gerald
          Am sorry I have hurt your feelings. Telling the truth must be very hard for you,as can be seen by 7-8 years of lying about me.
          Praying and shitting your shorts... Cant you think for yourself Jeff Cooper ? Dont you have anything original to say   ?
          You are so manly.. Calling my g/f names.. That hurts Marky
          LOL
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 12, 2010, 10:08:06 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          God bless you Art, and thanks for thinking about me before you, I will pray for myself first,and then for you and the crazy whore you run with, I just ask if you could, don't leave 8 Ball out,heshe needs you for your support and abuse, Have a great day and don't Shit your camper shorts.

          Same old dull weapons but no answers Gary. You must be upset. Not sure about Danny handing me anything. I was wrong,I apologized. Thats what big boys do Jo Gerald
          Am sorry I have hurt your feelings. Telling the truth must be very hard for you,as can be seen by 7-8 years of lying about me.
          Praying and shitting your shorts... Cant you think for yourself Jeff Cooper ? Dont you have anything original to say   ?
          You are so manly.. Calling my g/f names.. That hurts Marky
          LOL[/quote]




          Sorry Art, I don't know how else to talk to you, your so confrontational, I will pray for you, as I do every day. :peace:  :peace:  :peace:


           
          P.S. Did you like the video at the hospital,?? :beat:  :beat:  :beat: Sorry about getting on 8 Ball too. :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 12, 2010, 10:58:10 AM
          I never open any of your links Marky
          I barely even read your drivel
          You are ill and in need of help
          Stalking me for 7-8 years... Posting my address and phone number Tsk Tsk .. stealing my personal info off facebook ?
          tsk Tsk
          Have you read the Il penal code regarding cyber stalking and harrassment ?
          You will
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 12, 2010, 09:24:51 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          I never open any of your links Marky
          I barely even read your drivel
          You are ill and in need of help
          Stalking me for 7-8 years... Posting my address and phone number Tsk Tsk .. stealing my personal info off facebook ?
          tsk Tsk
          Have you read the Il penal code regarding cyber stalking and harrassment ?
          You will


          Your threats are so ruff, you punk!!, Go fuck 8 Ball in the ass again, or is heshe doing you tonight,?? Your pussy threats, I will Pray for you Arty the Farty , The " Elan Reporter has exposed you and your threats for what they are, Nothing. Don't shit the bed ASS-HOLE, I hope Sharon is watching you defend Crazy Jane,.. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  It will come to bite you, in that fat ass of yours.  
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Che Gookin on September 12, 2010, 10:45:25 PM
          I've always wanted to meet Mike Watson the founder of 3 springs. Never had the chance. Probably for the better due to my impulsive nature and all. I'd probably kick Mike in the nuts.

          Which other big time Elan types have you met?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 12, 2010, 10:55:36 PM
          Quote from: "Che Gookin"
          I've always wanted to meet Mike Watson the founder of 3 springs. Never had the chance. Probably for the better due to my impulsive nature and all. I'd probably kick Mike in the nuts.

          Which other big time Elan types have you met?

          If you read the article Aaron, you would figure everyone who was anyone there at the time Jan,74-Feb75, I would probably know, Wouldn't you,?? I ran away twice stole two cars and was involved in the biggest legal dispute in Elan history. I was not the fly on the wall, I stood out, so I met everyone., Why are you looking for someone special,???, I could look them up for you, like I did you,. :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Che Gookin on September 12, 2010, 11:32:49 PM
          Well, you didn't really find anything about me other than what is posted on Heal, which Angela took down of her own accord due to the numerous exaggerations and errors in the material.

          How much deep shit did you get into for boosting 2 cars? Keep in mind google articles doesn't work for me here in China otherwise I would have read it.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 13, 2010, 06:48:19 AM
          [size=150]Your threats are so ruff, you punk!!, Go fuck 8 Ball in the ass again, or is heshe doing you tonight,?? Your pussy threats, I will Pray for you Arty the Farty , The " Elan Reporter has exposed you and your threats for what they are, Nothing. Don't shit the bed ASS-HOLE, I hope Sharon is watching you defend Crazy  
           
          oh the Elan Reporter.. Your other screen name.. Does this mean he's coming back today .... I didnt defend anyone's actions Marky.. Just made my point about you being a liar and coward.. I also didnt make any threats... You created your own destiny. Now you have to live it
          I could care less who is watching, little man.. Are you a badass now ? Cuz you use this nasty language
          You are a coward.. and this is what cowards do when they are caught lying
          You are about to do alot more of it Marky.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 13, 2010, 07:59:31 AM
          Quote from: "Che Gookin"
          Well, you didn't really find anything about me other than what is posted on Heal, which Angela took down of her own accord due to the numerous exaggerations and errors in the material.

          How much deep shit did you get into for boosting 2 cars? Keep in mind google articles doesn't work for me here in China otherwise I would have read it.

          Plenty of it at Elan, the court stuff just went away, There was a high speed case in one car and the other I got caught walking away from the car.The State of Ill in 75 went after Elan for abuses, I was one of the 11 kids pulled out. I had an option to return, until court was over, with Elan and the State and I did.I drove Pan Face Marty and the rest up the wall,Until Parsonsfield, then the game changed.


          Allot of Articles can be found in the Old "Lewiston Daily Sun " in Maine, :cheers:  :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 13, 2010, 08:03:03 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          [size=150]Your threats are so ruff, you punk!!, Go fuck 8 Ball in the ass again, or is heshe doing you tonight,?? Your pussy threats, I will Pray for you Arty the Farty , The " Elan Reporter has exposed you and your threats for what they are, Nothing. Don't shit the bed ASS-HOLE, I hope Sharon is watching you defend Crazy  
           
          oh the Elan Reporter.. Your other screen name.. Does this mean he's coming back today .... I didnt defend anyone's actions Marky.. Just made my point about you being a liar and coward.. I also didnt make any threats... You created your own destiny. Now you have to live it
          I could care less who is watching, little man.. Are you a badass now ? Cuz you use this nasty language
          You are a coward.. and this is what cowards do when they are caught lying
          You are about to do alot more of it Marky.

          Art quit threatening me you coward, and you are defending Crazy Jane, and got busted, :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 13, 2010, 08:41:12 AM
          Oh Marky......Heres some attention you obviously need
          or you would have stopped plaing this game years ago
          If the day should come,that I need to threaten you.. You'll be the first to know Cockboy
          As far as defending anyone... You really should just STFU / n Grow up
          You look for anyone to attack..you are an equal opportunity Cocksucker
          Tell the truth Marky
          Are you all better now  ?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Che Gookin on September 13, 2010, 09:58:41 AM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Until Parsonsfield, then the game changed.

          Tell me more about this specific tibbit. Parsonfield is a new name in the mix for me.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 13, 2010, 12:36:10 PM
          IM BACK........you all just could not leave me the fuck alone so now deal with me. :twofinger:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 13, 2010, 12:59:38 PM
          You know I am not even going to waste my time reviewing all the vile nasty disgusting bullshit in this thread. Felice is fucken crazy we all know this....I am beginning to question a few other people as well. Who the hell would wish a tragic accident on anyone? You have got to be insane fully to wish poor kids to be injured. Not to mention someone dying. Truth be told Tim did not want to even go near nutbag Felice to begin with. For her to spew such nasty things about my family just shows everyone what a CUNT she truly is. I personally believe she needs to be fully committed. I believe society needs protection from the crap she puts everyone threw. Truth be told, I have made ammends with ART, and he has shown nothing but compassion for my children and whole family. I was glad that we were able to finally close the door to such vile things we did to each other. However, Mark is and will always be dear to me. I will not choose nor be in a position to choose. Mark has been my dearest friend for a long time. Do I agree with everything...hell no...I am very very disappointed My life and tragedy was made a mockery. Who are you people? Personally half of you are no better than Felice and I encourage you to get mental health immediately.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 13, 2010, 01:02:36 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Oh Marky......Heres some attention you obviously need
          or you would have stopped plaing this game years ago
          If the day should come,that I need to threaten you.. You'll be the first to know Cockboy
          As far as defending anyone... You really should just STFU / n Grow up
          You look for anyone to attack..you are an equal opportunity Cocksucker
          Tell the truth Marky
          Are you all better now  ?
          If you respond like this in this fashion to others generally it will never end. I hope today produces a bit of calm in everyone.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 13, 2010, 01:15:07 PM
          IN HONESTY ART IS NOT STANDING UP FOR FELICES ACTIONS HE IS MERELY POINTING OUT WE ALL KNOW SHE IS DISTURBED AND SHOULD TRY TO LOOK PAST THAT. I HOWEVER THINK FELICE KNOWS WHAT SHE IS DOING BECAUSE I WAS AROUND HER IN THE PAST. I BELIEVE FELICE NEEDS AND CRAVES ATTENTION SO BAD AND THE MORE DRASTIC SHE IS PEOPLE GIVE HER ATTENTION EVEN IF ITS NEGATIVE. WHAT A LONELY SOUL TO NOT HAVE ANYONE AND HAVE TO RESORT TO NASTY DISTASTEFUL COMMENTS TO GAIN EVEN A GLIMPSE OF HUMAN COMMUNICATION. FELICE ALIENATED HERSELF FROM THE WORLD......BUT THE WORLD HAS ALSO ALIENTATED THEMSELVES FROM HER DUE TO FACT SHE IS NUTS. NOONE WANTS TO DEAL WITH THAT AT ALL. SO MY ADVICE IS FOR FELICE TO GROW UP PAST 16 AND MAKE HER OWN IN THE WORLD OTHER THAN FORNITS. FELICE IS THE ONE FULLY RESPONSIBLE FOR HER OWN ACTIONS AND EVERYONE NEEDS TO LET HER SINK OR SWIM ON HER OWN. I PERSONALLY CAN GIVE A RAT'S ASS ABOUT HER ANYMORE BUT I AM FULLY JUSTIFIED. I WOULD BE MORE THAN THRILLED IF SOCIETY FINALLY DID THERE JOB AND LOCKED HER UP AND THREW OUT THE KEY. HER LIFE DOES NOT EFFECT MINE WHAT SO EVER...WHY?? BECAUSE I HAVE A LIFE OF MY OWN AND PERSONALLY GOT A GOOD ONE EVEN PAST MY RECENT EVENTS. I WILL NEVER TAKE FELICE'S WORD AS STONE OR EVEN RELY ON HER TO BE A CREDIBLE SOURCE...LOOK AT THE SOURCE..FELICE...IT IS LAUGHABLE EVEN TO FOLLOW HER WORDS LET ALONE LET HER GUIDE YOU. YOU ARE JUST AS NUTS AS SHE IS IF YOU DO.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 13, 2010, 01:18:17 PM
          With Felice's comments about being happy children got hurt, shows us all why her own daughter ran so far away from her as possible the minute she graduated from high school. She hooked up with the first guy who would take her far away from the nutcase. If anything I feel sorry for Felice's children fully. Could you imagine having a mother like that??? Those poor children.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 13, 2010, 02:16:07 PM
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Oh Marky......Heres some attention you obviously need
          or you would have stopped plaing this game years ago
          If the day should come,that I need to threaten you.. You'll be the first to know Cockboy
          As far as defending anyone... You really should just STFU / n Grow up
          You look for anyone to attack..you are an equal opportunity Cocksucker
          Tell the truth Marky
          Are you all better now  ?
          If you respond like this in this fashion to others generally it will never end. I hope today produces a bit of calm in everyone.

          Ya your right Sharon
          I was definately too soft on a guy who has been stalking me for 8 years
          Almost fixed,then I will be done
          Interestingly you have nothing to say about this turd's actions/words
          I am glad we have found common ground. Glad we arent fighting
          But what you are doing is the same as Felice
          Of course Marky will tell you she deserves it.. Maybe she does..
          I gave up playing God
          that would be Mark's job
          Best of luck..
          Till he turns on you as well
          Seems you are the only one that hasnt been on the recieving end of his Dozen Screen names,threats and stalking
          Yet
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 13, 2010, 05:17:22 PM
          I basically am sitting here reflecting on all this pain everyone is going thru and it seems so sad really. I just wish the future could offer everyone peace in their hearts. Yes, I suppose I'm no better right now, however I do believe my hostility is understandable. When someone wishes my family would of all died....I find that hard to actually stomach. Everyone pretty much knows how badly my baby was injured and my other son. I can personally give a shit about if someone wishes me dead but little kids is really taking it to a next level of evilness. Some people on here have first hand knowledge of what my baby endured and they were so afraid for him and deeply were concerned. Not because of me, it was because it was a sweet innocent kid.

          Yes, I have tried to ignore the crap and I tried to have compassion. But at this point I truly believe the lady is a nutcase and is purposely doing shit for attention. Think about it, each time we are told she is cutting herself and making marks...she said it herself she is intelligent, if that is the case why is it she is just carving not actually doing things correctly. Even a freaken teenager knows how to slice a wrist. So therefore, it is just a ploy for sympathy. She is mentally ill not mentally challenged therefore her bullcrap is all just a ploy.

          When someone is that mentally ill it is in peoples best interest to allow the state to really take over. Noone can help Felice because frankily she loves being that way. She enjoys us all now even mentioning her name.Which is complete waste of time to even mention her at all. Her crediblity is fucking hilarious and not at all anything but self serving.

          Fact is I was off of here for 6 weeks and I had no intentions on returning. I wanted nothing to do with this crapola. However, after getting accused of being a troll for weeks and people speaking about my family and people hurting each other using my name and misfortune...I had to at least come on and set few things right. I find it disgusting anyone really mention me at all. Truthfully I am a bit not pleased about Tim's death being a mockery either. He was a good man and I completely loved him. He loved my kids and they adored and loved him.

          To be honest with you Art, I know for a fact Mark is not the one trolling you for years, but it was a lot to do with my Tim too. So, before we all speak ill of the dead lets really reflect how conversations were back then and now. Everyone attacks each other like we are still in Elan. It is beyond madness. Fornits is not real, but we all are...when does this stop?? We cannot sit here daily allow each other to control our feelings to the point of driving us batty. When I tried to tell you Art that I knew who was doing it, it was like you could not see past Mark. And my Tim is not the only one either, there is someone else whom knows you from the Skokie days but is very quiet and silent. He is so quite it took me months to figure it out, but you are blinded to even think of this person what so ever, because your eyes are focused hard pressed on Mark. And by you allowing yourself to always blame Mark, you are not seeing what truly is going on as others do. I am pissed your being fucked with so blantantly. I want it to stop. I have asked the person to knock it off because it is getting me really mad now. Art I am also asking you to not to be sucked into it anymore. You got a lot going on for you and sweet girl, nice job, nice home, nice friends and family. But you too have a bitter tongue when your mad. Please love life and live life now.

          Mark is one of my dearest friends and it is pissing me off how everyone blames him for everything..did it every occur to anyone there are silent players on here..HELLO people wake up, some are better serving being silent. This is not some Nancy Drew episode for goodness sakes. So everyone back it off of Mark. Please just stop.

          I would hope by now each of us have lives and goals that truly do not revolve around each other. I feel for everyone on here I truly do. Let fucking ELAN die like it is suppose to please. We all survived and frankily if we are all having problems still this long after, it is not Elan's fault anymore we had choices to shit or get off the pot. We are ultimately in control of our happiness and success. It has been 20 or 30 years for some of us.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 13, 2010, 05:52:29 PM
          Sharon
          I started to write something to respond to your previous post when I realilzed I am wasting my time and will let the authorities sort it out
          A sick person says all kinds of stupid crap = Felice
          What kind of person responds to it,FOR YOU,then accuses me of defending her
          The sick one here is Mark
          What other explanation do you have for someone who talks of molesting children...Says horrible things about other's family members.. Seeking out my daughter and my "son".. Are your children more important than mine ?
          Benefit of the doubt.. Its not Marky for 7-8 years
          Whats his excuse for the last 10 months
          Will just let it run its course until I have ALL the info I need.
          Wont be too much longer
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 13, 2010, 06:54:58 PM
          During mt familes weakest moment Mark and Jim have been very very active in helping me and my children. I cannot see any of this so called torment. I do see however threats being spewed at them constantly which is highly disturbing. Why are they assholes?? Because they defended me when I obviously could not be here?? Personally, it is all just a mystery when grown men cannot work out conflict. Mark truly is the most warmest loving compassionate man I have ever met. I just do not see any ounce of him hurting anyone. Jim also is a gracious and amazing man, I just do not understand why these little arguements cannot be settled in private. No offense Art but honestly the cops are blowing wind up your behind. If there was supposed crimes something by now all this time would of been done. You also border on some questionable activity. So, Idk but you have been saying the shit was gunna hit the fan for almost a year now and well to be honest we all have been kinda waiting for it....and well nothing occurs. How do you actually think we all should take these little idle threats? If anything I find it is you sort of instigating these little disagreements. Why can't you just forget the little things? And how do you think I felt when you went to Bubie and told her I was harrassing you. My Mom did not need that crap and you yelled in my sisters home. So, if anything you harrassed my personal life pretty good. But if I can forgive that, why can't you forgive others? Hell you even had conversations with my ex husband now that's an invasion of my privacy too but I am suppose to be the bigger person. Well then I expect you to also do the same as well. We are all to grown for this. Life is to short for any of this.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 13, 2010, 07:04:17 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Sharon
          I started to write something to respond to your previous post when I realilzed I am wasting my time and will let the authorities sort it out
          A sick person says all kinds of stupid crap = Felice
          What kind of person responds to it,FOR YOU,then accuses me of defending her
          The sick one here is Mark
          What other explanation do you have for someone who talks of molesting children...Says horrible things about other's family members.. Seeking out my daughter and my "son".. Are your children more important than mine ?
          Benefit of the doubt.. Its not Marky for 7-8 years
          Whats his excuse for the last 10 months
          Will just let it run its course until I have ALL the info I need.
          Wont be too much longer
          YOU Insult him daily and try to make a fool out of him too. It goes both ways. He does not deserve the things you say either. Sometime Art you can even admit you can be mean. But that is not you, your a good man a very good man. You love kids, you work hard, you are a very decent man. Do not continue this please. I am flat out begging you to stop it. I have flat out begged everyone please to stop this hatred. I actually care for you all.


          After almost dying one sees thing so much differently, please for one minute everyone try to see through my eyes. There is so much more we all could be to each other and do for each other..it is not to late to just let it go and forgive. And Art I am not insuting you at all, I am just trying to get you to open your eyes. Please see how good you are and see no matter what noone can define you ever. But when you get mad..oh boy you get mad to...you are only human...we all are..all of our short comings do get exposed at times. I feel so torn between all these good people. I do care for...God it is hurting me bad. I wish everyone peace in their hearts.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 13, 2010, 08:21:51 PM
          wow
          So this is how it is..
          I wish you well Sharon. I really do
          Inspite of anything else
          While I was praying for you and your son. Mark was exploiting you and your son. Make no mistake about it.. Its right here in this thread.. You know the one started by Gary Stadler
          You still wanna play this game
          I'm done
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 13, 2010, 08:33:43 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          wow
          So this is how it is..
          I wish you well Sharon. I really do
          Inspite of anything else
          While I was praying for you and your son. Mark was exploiting you and your son. Make no mistake about it.. Its right here in this thread.. You know the one started by Gary Stadler
          You still wanna play this game
          I'm done

          Oh Farty Fuck You,!!, I told you she would find out and you got busted again, :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 13, 2010, 08:39:49 PM
          Quote from: "Che Gookin"
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Until Parsonsfield, then the game changed.

          Tell me more about this specific tibbit. Parsonfield is a new name in the mix for me.

          Parsonfield was the Lock down house in Parsonsfield Maine, It by far was the best of the worst Elan had to offer. it was hard core all the way threw, and no one who was ever there , would dispute that. It was like one flew over the Koo Koo's nest, No one knew, just what was going to happen next,??

          search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&keywords=parsonsfield&fid%5B%5D=2 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&keywords=parsonsfield&fid%5B%5D=2)

          That talks all about Parsonsfield, above, :rocker:  :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 13, 2010, 08:52:13 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          wow
          So this is how it is..
          I wish you well Sharon. I really do
          Inspite of anything else
          While I was praying for you and your son. Mark was exploiting you and your son. Make no mistake about it.. Its right here in this thread.. You know the one started by Gary Stadler
          You still wanna play this game
          I'm done

          Who was doing the exploiting,?? Read All The Words Farty, :karma:  :karma:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:


           Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          by Eliscu2 » 09 Sep 2010, 15:38

          liarsexposed wrote:
          One of,if not THE smartest thing I have ever seen you or your other screen names post ever.
          Happy New Year Felice
          Please make this year count. God knows how many we all have left.


          SAME TO YOU ART.
          OBVIOUSLY THESE FUCKIN IDIOTS HAVE NO HISTORY LIKE A HOLOCAUST.
          TO THEM IT IS ALL A BULLSHIT FUCKINGAME.
          FUCK SHARRON AND HER KIDS, IF THEY ALL DIED RIGHT NOW I WOULD NOT GIVE A FLYING FUCK!
          MAY YOU AND YOUR'S BE WELL ART.
          L'SHANA TOVA!


           
          Now You Go Fuck Yourself Farty, Or Let 8 Ball Do It , Because You Got Busted, Again. And Got Your Fat Ass Handed  To You Again, :cheers:  :cheers:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Che Gookin on September 13, 2010, 09:20:31 PM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "Che Gookin"
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Until Parsonsfield, then the game changed.

          Tell me more about this specific tibbit. Parsonfield is a new name in the mix for me.

          Parsonfield was the Lock down house in Parsonsfield Maine, It by far was the best of the worst Elan had to offer. it was hard core all the way threw, and no one who was ever there , would dispute that. It was like one flew over the Koo Koo's nest, No one knew, just what was going to happen next,??

          search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&keywords=parsonsfield&fid%5B%5D=2 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&keywords=parsonsfield&fid%5B%5D=2)

          That talks all about Parsonsfield, above, :rocker:  :cheers:

          Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck....

           :eek:

          That shit is unreal.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 13, 2010, 09:49:05 PM
          Quote from: "Che Gookin"
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "Che Gookin"
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Until Parsonsfield, then the game changed.

          Tell me more about this specific tibbit. Parsonfield is a new name in the mix for me.

          Parsonfield was the Lock down house in Parsonsfield Maine, It by far was the best of the worst Elan had to offer. it was hard core all the way threw, and no one who was ever there , would dispute that. It was like one flew over the Koo Koo's nest, No one knew, just what was going to happen next,??

          search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&keywords=parsonsfield&fid%5B%5D=2 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&keywords=parsonsfield&fid%5B%5D=2)

          That talks all about Parsonsfield, above, :rocker:  :cheers:

          Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck....

           :eek:

          That shit is unreal.


          It made you grow up, or go nut's, maybe a little of both,lol. But the stories do it no justice, to the actual stay there, it was unbelievable. I wanted out my last six months pretty bad after being there., And they really didn't fuck with me, but the stuff that went on was horrifying, I just couldn't quite understand what the fuck was going on,??. And I came from Chicago, and already had been in the system for years and some juvenile jail,etc, I was a tuffer kid and didn't scare easy , But I was blown away by them, ::OMG:: Shit went on that no one would believe, And why didn't anyone complain,?? Because the courts or some nut Doctor sent us there, so no one would listen or take us seriously,It was the 70's and there were no child abuse laws.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 13, 2010, 09:57:49 PM
          I See Y :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma: ou Farty
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 13, 2010, 10:00:03 PM
          You are a foul and nasty person Farty , I will say a pray for you and 8 Ball, tonight, :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Che Gookin on September 13, 2010, 10:53:58 PM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "Che Gookin"
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "Che Gookin"
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Until Parsonsfield, then the game changed.

          Tell me more about this specific tibbit. Parsonfield is a new name in the mix for me.

          Parsonfield was the Lock down house in Parsonsfield Maine, It by far was the best of the worst Elan had to offer. it was hard core all the way threw, and no one who was ever there , would dispute that. It was like one flew over the Koo Koo's nest, No one knew, just what was going to happen next,??

          search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&keywords=parsonsfield&fid%5B%5D=2 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&keywords=parsonsfield&fid%5B%5D=2)

          That talks all about Parsonsfield, above, :rocker:  :cheers:

          Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck....

           :eek:

          That shit is unreal.


          It made you grow up, or go nut's, maybe a little of both,lol. But the stories do it no justice, to the actual stay there, it was unbelievable. I wanted out my last six months pretty bad after being there., And they really didn't fuck with me, but the stuff that went on was horrifying, I just couldn't quite understand what the fuck was going on,??. And I came from Chicago, and already had been in the system for years and some juvenile jail,etc, I was a tuffer kid and didn't scare easy , But I was blown away by them, ::OMG:: Shit went on that no one would believe, And why didn't anyone complain,?? Because the courts or some nut Doctor sent us there, so no one would listen or take us seriously,It was the 70's and there were no child abuse laws.

          About par for the course for that era. How many times did you end up in the ring?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 14, 2010, 07:33:44 AM
          liarsexposed wrote:
          One of,if not THE smartest thing I have ever seen you or your other screen names post ever.
          Happy New Year Felice
          Please make this year count. God knows how many we all have left.


          SAME TO YOU ART.
          OBVIOUSLY THESE FUCKIN IDIOTS HAVE NO HISTORY LIKE A HOLOCAUST.
          TO THEM IT IS ALL A BULLSHIT FUCKINGAME.
          FUCK SHARRON AND HER KIDS, IF THEY ALL DIED RIGHT NOW I WOULD NOT GIVE A FLYING FUCK!
          MAY YOU AND YOUR'S BE WELL ART.
          L'SHANA TOVA!
           
          Marky
          That was actually a compliment aimed at you.
          You know this.
          You just wanna get Sharon going and create more injury
          As if she hasnt been hurt enough.

          Like I said.. Twist it any way you want Marky
          If anyone is busted,it would be you for bringin the crap to fornits from elsewhere
          Sound familiar ?
          Dude you really should see someone about these delusions
          Sharon is no idiot. today,tomorrow,next week,next year
          She'll figure you out
          Just like everyone else has in the real world
          I dont really care either way
          But damnnnnnnnnn you ian tell a whopper or 100!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 14, 2010, 08:24:31 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          liarsexposed wrote:
          One of,if not THE smartest thing I have ever seen you or your other screen names post ever.
          Happy New Year Felice
          Please make this year count. God knows how many we all have left.


          SAME TO YOU ART.
          OBVIOUSLY THESE FUCKIN IDIOTS HAVE NO HISTORY LIKE A HOLOCAUST.
          TO THEM IT IS ALL A BULLSHIT FUCKINGAME.
          FUCK SHARRON AND HER KIDS, IF THEY ALL DIED RIGHT NOW I WOULD NOT GIVE A FLYING FUCK!
          MAY YOU AND YOUR'S BE WELL ART.
          L'SHANA TOVA!
           
          Marky
          That was actually a compliment aimed at you.
          You know this.
          You just wanna get Sharon going and create more injury
          As if she hasnt been hurt enough.

          Like I said.. Twist it any way you want Marky
          If anyone is busted,it would be you for bringin the crap to fornits from elsewhere
          Sound familiar ?
          Dude you really should see someone about these delusions
          Sharon is no idiot. today,tomorrow,next week,next year
          She'll figure you out
          Just like everyone else has in the real world
          I dont really care either way
          But damnnnnnnnnn you ian tell a whopper or 100!


          Yes you do care Farty, thats why your sucking ass right now to change Sharons thinking. But unfortunately you sick molesting fuck, the words of Crazy Jane's post, do not say any thing about me  being dead,Her words are all directed at Sharon. You say Sharon is not an idiot,?  Then why are you talking to her like one ??. Sharon has figured me out, and I have been there for her and her kids all the way.I have kept contacted, visited at the hospital etc. And  you can't except, that her and me have a great normal  friendship.And that is something you have never had, with anyone, ever.
          So don't worry Farty Sharon can read and comprehend, you just keep plugging away, looking like the ass you do.Don't shit on your key board today, :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 14, 2010, 08:48:36 AM
          Ha LOL
          You must think this is a "competition" for Sharon's affections..
          I say its all you ... You win..
          I have made it through dozens of years without her. I think I can make it through the rest of my life if need be. I think she DOES have you figured out.
          How do you know so much about Molesting Children Marky ? Dildo's and sex toys that stuff you post here. I wouldnt let you near my kids if I were Sharon. Not with an imagination that involves sex with children.
          Are you slurpin Cock at the train station again ?
          Cmon boy.. You can tell me
          Try to get out and get some fresh air today
          You are a coward.. A very sick one
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 14, 2010, 09:06:53 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          liarsexposed wrote:
          One of,if not THE smartest thing I have ever seen you or your other screen names post ever.
          Happy New Year Felice
          Please make this year count. God knows how many we all have left.


          SAME TO YOU ART.
          OBVIOUSLY THESE FUCKIN IDIOTS HAVE NO HISTORY LIKE A HOLOCAUST.
          TO THEM IT IS ALL A BULLSHIT FUCKINGAME.
          FUCK SHARRON AND HER KIDS, IF THEY ALL DIED RIGHT NOW I WOULD NOT GIVE A FLYING FUCK!
          MAY YOU AND YOUR'S BE WELL ART.
          L'SHANA TOVA!
           
          Marky
          That was actually a compliment aimed at you.
          You know this.
          You just wanna get Sharon going and create more injury
          As if she hasnt been hurt enough.

          Like I said.. Twist it any way you want Marky
          If anyone is busted,it would be you for bringin the crap to fornits from elsewhere
          Sound familiar ?
          Dude you really should see someone about these delusions
          Sharon is no idiot. today,tomorrow,next week,next year
          She'll figure you out
          Just like everyone else has in the real world
          I dont really care either way
          But damnnnnnnnnn you ian tell a whopper or 100!


          To be honest...it was Felice's end of the conversation that got me pissed..Here me and Tim go to try to help her silly ass. And she has no regard for the life lost. Tim did her a great community service. And she slaps his memory in our faces. That nut has crossed the line with me. Next time she is cutting noone better call me to go to her aid. I have done that service more than my share, and this is the thanks I get for being a true good friend. I cannot believe the time I wasted on her. Unlike many I did extend myself to her, and look what I got in return....nasty bullshit about Tim and my children.

          Has anyone held a man as they are dying, well I did..a good, loving, unselfish man who did not deserve to die the way he did. My 4 year old the sweetiest out of the whole bunch endured a massive brain injury. My 9 year old looks as if a lawn mower went over his whole body. My injuries were massive but I did not care, I sat by my children's side and refused my care to be with my sons. I am still in pain.

          Truth be told when Felice finally was out of jail, she contacted me all crying and upset over the children and Tim. I remember even speaking to Art as to her calling and going to be showing up at hospital. In reality maybe it is easier for Felice to down size the accident and act all stupid than to actually face someone died and children were hurt. Because truth be told she was honestly a mess when the reality did hit her. I believe Felice is so mentally ill that there is little hopes for her anymore. Felice is obviously ill, we all know this fully. So, why is it we are even shocked or surprised by the comments anymore?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 14, 2010, 09:08:27 AM
          And Art truth be told..Gary is 4 different people on here all signing into it, so do not just blame one.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 14, 2010, 09:27:34 AM
          Sharon
          To be honest
          Your previous Websites already documented it as being Mark.. As did Facebook
          You are now playing games and I want no part of it
          Mark just wants to have no responsibility for his actions
          Truth be told.. Had he not stolen my personal info and posted it on your 1st site Dec 30th of last year
          We would not be having this discussion
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 14, 2010, 09:53:22 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Sharon
          To be honest
          Your previous Websites already documented it as being Mark.. As did Facebook
          You are now playing games and I want no part of it
          Mark just wants to have no responsibility for his actions
          Truth be told.. Had he not stolen my personal info and posted it on your 1st site Dec 30th of last year
          We would not be having this discussion
          Art, the problem really is the fact you cannot look outside a tunnel vision. The website is long gone, and honestly people posted my info and pictures as well. In honesty you did over react to something really dumb. The picture was not even a bad one it was a nice photo of you. IDK but you did kind of take it out on people in wrong way. No one has time to play games Art, you always say things like that. Honestly I am way to busy to even be on fornits to begin with. I got a lot going on in life and in college. I just am wishing for all this between you and Mark to be over with. You both are very nice men. I believe most people on here are not going to pick sides between either of you because they like you both. So, that being said IDK if I were you, I would seriously just drop it all and Mark too. This fued is not getting anyone anywhere but creating hard feelings left and right. Yes, you were attacked, yes you were hurt..that is justified...but you also attacked, and you also hurt others....you made your point now for your own personal growth let it ride. It does not mean defeat it means your a good man..period.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 14, 2010, 10:06:14 AM
          Quote from: "psy,"
          People life Felice are the reasons why  Elan and like school or institution closures dont happen. They are so documented as crazy. No one listens to us. We are sniffled by the screams of the true insane and why. ???. Just because they are nuts and admit it why should we all suffer and not be heard.?? Felice is worse than staff. She is the reason for Staff.
          FULLY AGREED
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 14, 2010, 10:24:11 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Someone has a stiffy for Felice
          Wonder who pretends to be others on an anoymous website
          Multiple Screen names
          Multiple personalities
          Gotta be a very disturbed person from Elan
          A true Coward
          How shocking
          YOU ARE THE ONE WHO KICKED HER OUT OF YOUR HOME AND BEGGED GOD NOONE SAID ANYTHING FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN U AND FELICE WERE EATING OUT> YOU YOURSELF SAID SHE WAS EMBARRASSING TO BE AROUND> How the hell do you judge any of us for pointing out the BITCH is nuts. She is fucking nuts even you said it yourself. WTF and Mark has a point with NUTS like her, who the fuck will listen to anyone else that does have anything to actually reviel about ELAN. That crazy cunt is so attention starved she ruined so many peoples chances to fully expose Elan for what it is, and what it did to them. Not to mention the people who came forward got a taste of Felice, and frankily you spewing crapola all the time. This is not about you ART or your life, and yet everyone fucking day we all get that crammed down our throats. Be a fricken good man and drop it all. You once said Felice was uncontrollable, but you are OMFG please stop it. And for the record Jeff Cooper is my 17 year old fucking son, go arrest him you moron. A fricken child that had enough of you talking shit to his mother. That's your truth. And I do not care either about your little feelings you pushed that 17 year old over the edge talking about his mother being a CUNT you got what you deserved from a boy...not a man a boy. So, Mr. think you know it all, you did not see that coming did you. I was protecting my child from you period. He was only 16 then and read your nasty disgusting lies and vile about his mother, what the hell do you expect???? You attack me without just cause and frankily had your ass handed to you by a child. Boys protect their mother's. And no he found it on his own, I did not show him either. Your the moron that involved family to begin with..remember that. Fuck your just as nuts as FELICE in your delusional state..ART you need therapy seriously if you actually believe your some victim. Because your not in one ounce a victim, your a damn preditor. The bully had his ass handed to him by a boy, now that's the fucking truth..............did that set your ass free ART?? knowing a boy had enough of you??? Go arrest him, he is a minor, you will get far and if you arrest him, my family will back him so choose wisely. Michelle will protect my children and you know it. Bubie will not allow anything to happen to my boy, so yes the truth is now out there. You blamed Mark this whole time, and Mark also knew it was my boy and protected my boy. NOW THATS A FRIEND> Mark is and always will be dear to me, and not once did he tell me to expose my child, he was protecting a kid...Maybe try it sometime.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 14, 2010, 11:07:28 AM
          Pretty good
          I was wrong about 1 screen name out of 12

          I also enjoyed the several posts where you didnt attack me,to be followed by 2 that did
          Same ole same old
          Marky has you frothing at the mouth again
          Coincidence
          I think not
          HE's got you all wound up over his own actions
          I am really sorry Sharon. I should have known that you would betray me again for the 4th time since we re-connected
          Thats what you do
          You want to play games like Marky
          Want it to be done Sharon.. be done
          This is not about you,and never was really,until you MADE IT about you
          I wont be responding to this any more from you Sharon. My beef is not with you. You are clearly upset and for this I am sorry
          You dont need this in your life. You have enough to deal with
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anne Bonney on September 14, 2010, 11:10:52 AM
          ......................TIME OUT...............................



          Sharon, I have no idea what's going on (get really tired of the Arty show) but I did want to say that I'm really sorry to hear that your kids were injured and I hope they're alright.

           :peace:



          ....................TIME IN....................................
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 14, 2010, 12:56:20 PM
          Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
          ......................TIME OUT...............................



          Sharon, I have no idea what's going on (get really tired of the Arty show) but I did want to say that I'm really sorry to hear that your kids were injured and I hope they're alright.

           :peace:



          ....................TIME IN....................................
          Thank you Anne..Logan is doing very well just really sad and still very sore. He has a lot of facial scaring. Mason endured brain surgery and is now at the rehabilitation institute. He is doing very well recovering and hopefully will be home next month after he goes thru another surgery. Mason is staying in good spirits as much as can be, and is a real fighter. It is hard when both boys got injured and having to be apart from either is so hard. I am just very thankful for the quick response from the ambulances and the flight for life. They saved my sons lives and I am very grateful. By this time next month we all hope to be at home as a family unit again. Mason will have a long little road ahead of him but we all are doing everything possible for him. He has had the best of the best doctors and care so far. I am sure I'll be paying medical bills until I die, but it is worth it fully.I rather be poor forever than to see that sweet little boy suffer.I know my town plans on helping him with any therapy he needs afterwards they already are setting everything up for him. Logan is devasted over his brother being hurt, me hurt, and the loss of Tim. I hope in time he can heal his heart. Tim was very good to my children and was very close to my sons.I am spending this week with Logan and my aunts are with Mason. Poor Logan had 6 weeks away from me and he really needs me too. Honestly if it were not for my family and friends I think I would of lost it by now. I am very blessed to have such amazing people in my life. I know many are upset and concerned for the boys, we did create a facebook called Mason McCarthy Prayers. All are welcome to go look at his progress there. Everyone tries to update it as much as possible because there was such a concern for him, and it was hard to answer the phone all the time down in Chicago. Many from on here send prayers and kind words and I am very thankful to you all. Please keep the prayers coming for those two little boys.  

          As for the accident I am not really at liberty right now to really discuss but our car was t-boned. pretty bad impact. Tim was driving, Baby Mason right behind him, they were the worst of the injuries. Logan and I were on passanger side of car. The accident is still under investigation so I cannot openly discuss a lot. It honestly was one of the most horrific experiences I have ever been thru let alone those poor kids. Tim passed pretty sudden and I want everyone to know he did fight hard to stay alive just his injuries were so horrible. I held him as he passed away, and was pretty much pinned by him in the vehicle. They stated I would of died to if my car door did not pop open. People say God kept me alive for my children...and I am not about to question that.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 14, 2010, 06:33:36 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Ha LOL
          You must think this is a "competition" for Sharon's affections..
          I say its all you ... You win..
          I have made it through dozens of years without her. I think I can make it through the rest of my life if need be. I think she DOES have you figured out.
          How do you know so much about Molesting Children Marky ? Dildo's and sex toys that stuff you post here. I wouldnt let you near my kids if I were Sharon. Not with an imagination that involves sex with children.
          Are you slurpin Cock at the train station again ?
          Cmon boy.. You can tell me
          Try to get out and get some fresh air today
          You are a coward.. A very sick one



          Oh Farty take your rejection like a man, you coward. Aren't you the admitted molester,?? I believe thats what you have posted. :cheers:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: , You Ass - Hole
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 14, 2010, 06:37:42 PM
          Mark you finally made it today, good to see you finally..lol
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 14, 2010, 06:42:02 PM
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Someone has a stiffy for Felice
          Wonder who pretends to be others on an anoymous website
          Multiple Screen names
          Multiple personalities
          Gotta be a very disturbed person from Elan
          A true Coward
          How shocking
          YOU ARE THE ONE WHO KICKED HER OUT OF YOUR HOME AND BEGGED GOD NOONE SAID ANYTHING FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN U AND FELICE WERE EATING OUT> YOU YOURSELF SAID SHE WAS EMBARRASSING TO BE AROUND> How the hell do you judge any of us for pointing out the BITCH is nuts. She is fucking nuts even you said it yourself. WTF and Mark has a point with NUTS like her, who the fuck will listen to anyone else that does have anything to actually reviel about ELAN. That crazy cunt is so attention starved she ruined so many peoples chances to fully expose Elan for what it is, and what it did to them. Not to mention the people who came forward got a taste of Felice, and frankily you spewing crapola all the time. This is not about you ART or your life, and yet everyone fucking day we all get that crammed down our throats. Be a fricken good man and drop it all. You once said Felice was uncontrollable, but you are OMFG please stop it. And for the record Jeff Cooper is my 17 year old fucking son, go arrest him you moron. A fricken child that had enough of you talking shit to his mother. That's your truth. And I do not care either about your little feelings you pushed that 17 year old over the edge talking about his mother being a CUNT you got what you deserved from a boy...not a man a boy. So, Mr. think you know it all, you did not see that coming did you. I was protecting my child from you period. He was only 16 then and read your nasty disgusting lies and vile about his mother, what the hell do you expect???? You attack me without just cause and frankily had your ass handed to you by a child. Boys protect their mother's. And no he found it on his own, I did not show him either. Your the moron that involved family to begin with..remember that. Fuck your just as nuts as FELICE in your delusional state..ART you need therapy seriously if you actually believe your some victim. Because your not in one ounce a victim, your a damn preditor. The bully had his ass handed to him by a boy, now that's the fucking truth..............did that set your ass free ART?? knowing a boy had enough of you??? Go arrest him, he is a minor, you will get far and if you arrest him, my family will back him so choose wisely. Michelle will protect my children and you know it. Bubie will not allow anything to happen to my boy, so yes the truth is now out there. You blamed Mark this whole time, and Mark also knew it was my boy and protected my boy. NOW THATS A FRIEND> Mark is and always will be dear to me, and not once did he tell me to expose my child, he was protecting a kid...Maybe try it sometime.


          WOW talk about getting your ass handed to you, Farty I am shocked, :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: , Sharon so busted you out, Jeff Cooper,????, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl: , Art you going to call the F.B.I. on him too,??,  :rofl:  :rofl: ,I bet your Mother trolls you on here too, you Ass-Hole. :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl: , She busted you out so bad, :rofl:  :rofl: , Are you going to call Bubie, or Sharons Sister,??, :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa: , They aren't respecting me, ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke:: , You are pathetic, a grown man calling some ones Mommy on them, You are sick, ::puke::  ::puke:: .Have 8 Ball fuck that ass tonight and show you who's a man you Ass- Hole, Got busted out so big, :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 14, 2010, 06:55:10 PM
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          Mark you finally made it today, good to see you finally..lol

          It's the Farty show and Exposures Program, I wouldn't miss it, :cheers:  :cheers:
          I wonder were the infamous" Exposedliar," is tonight,?? Maybe calling your Mom or Crazy Jane, Man he sure is upset about how you busted him out, and exposed him. I couldn't stop laughing,what a punk, can't wait for the next band of threats,.Maybe Farty will jump from his chair boat at a high speed, :rofl:  :rofl: He is the ultimate Ass-Hole, and proves it every time he opens that cum hole of his.

          I don't how you have managed his stalking, for all the years Sharon, ??  You are truly a good and big person, most would of had him shot or arrested, or both. He is a pervert and scum,I would have had him thrown in jail were he belongs. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:


          Maybe " 8 Ball" will stick her head up Farty's ass and wiggle her ear's again tonight, :waaaa:  :waaaa: ,Oh Farty stick the ball gag back in your mouth,You coward. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:


          P.S. Welcome back " Sis ", :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :peace:  :peace:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 14, 2010, 06:56:12 PM
          Now Mark I was simply enlightening him, not busting him out....
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 14, 2010, 07:06:59 PM
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          Now Mark I was simply enlightening him, not busting him out....


          It looked like a busting- out to me, especially the part I have kept quiet about Jeff Cooper, :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  He had to shit his pants on the spot, :rofl:  Mr ."I.P. Addresses," I told that ass-hole to look next to him for the attacker's and guess what Farty I was right, and I won't tell you who the rest are.
          Boy did you make Farty look like a true blue Ass-Hole again, :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

          Great job on Enlightening Farty, :beat:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 14, 2010, 07:08:29 PM
          Marky is such a tough guy
          Tough talk from a coward
          You would certainly not say that shit to my face
          But I know.. You are showing off cuz Sharon is back
          Lets put an end to this right now
          Meet you anywhere you like.. then you can talk that shit to my face
          I know you can type... but can ya put up ?
          You know where I am at Coward
          You might as well be pissin in the wind... You have never looked more dumb or pathetic
          Congrats
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 14, 2010, 07:17:04 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Marky is such a tough guy
          Tough talk from a coward
          You would certainly not say that shit to my face
          But I know.. You are showing off cuz Sharon is back
          Lets put an end to this right now
          Meet you anywhere you like.. then you can talk that shit to my face
          I know you can type... but can ya put up ?
          You know where I am at Coward
          You might as well be pissin in the wind... You have never looked more dumb or pathetic
          Congrats
          :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:


          You sound so mad Farty, are your nostrils flaring,??,  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl: , Sharon has met me a few times in person, and I am probably not the guy you would want to meet for a fight Farty. I am sure she will attest to that, So go pound sand up your fat ass, you got busted out, stay on that, not me Stupid, Am I writing BIG Enough, Stupid, ???????????



          Title: Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
          Post by: Joel on September 14, 2010, 07:27:19 PM
          Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 14, 2010, 08:21:51 PM
          Oh Marky
          should I be scared Marky
          I think I have spent enough time at your level.
          Time for someone to take the high road
          Could never be you
          You have no class or clue either
          Why dont you call up one of your other screen names (or 6) and play nice nice
          Title: Re: ELAN movie
          Post by: mark babitz on September 14, 2010, 10:10:03 PM
          Quote from: "Joel"
          Quote
          Fornits movie theater
          ELAN fight club (PG-13 : Parents Strongly Cautioned, 2 hrs 20 min, Drama)
          Showtimes
          12:50 - 4:00 - 7:00 - 10:05

           :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:


          Popcorn is served in the front and restroom's in the rear. :cheers:  :cheers:  Beer garden is open for those not currently in any programs, discouraging the abuse of alcohol. :cheers:  :cheers: ,And For The Main Event Farty Getting Roasted Again, For His Multiple Lie's, Not Just To Himself, But To All Others, :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :beat:  :beat:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 14, 2010, 10:12:15 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Oh Marky
          should I be scared Marky
          I think I have spent enough time at your level.
          Time for someone to take the high road
          Could never be you
          You have no class or clue either
          Why dont you call up one of your other screen names (or 6) and play nice nice



          Oh Shut Up Farty,, :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  We Are Talking About You now, :cheers:  :cheers:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 14, 2010, 10:15:19 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Oh Marky
          should I be scared Marky
          I think I have spent enough time at your level.
          Time for someone to take the high road
          Could never be you
          You have no class or clue either
          Why dont you call up one of your other screen names (or 6) and play nice nice


          Hey Farty Your Best Post Is The One Below, :notworthy:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:







          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          ..



           :beat:  :beat:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 14, 2010, 10:35:47 PM
          Great Article About Joe and Dr D.



          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=n ... YT-_gyKrhg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=news&cd=17&ved=0CDIQqQIwBjgK&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fid%3DHP8hAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DsGkFAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D2462%2C2099056%26dq%3Dgolden%2Bark%2Benterprises%2Binc%26hl%3Den&ei=CC-QTPKkI9Genweyks20DA&usg=AFQjCNFfl-tlbFy0qq6uRnVkYT-_gyKrhg)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB II on September 14, 2010, 11:47:28 PM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Great Article About Joe and Dr D.



          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=n ... YT-_gyKrhg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=news&cd=17&ved=0CDIQqQIwBjgK&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fid%3DHP8hAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DsGkFAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D2462%2C2099056%26dq%3Dgolden%2Bark%2Benterprises%2Binc%26hl%3Den&ei=CC-QTPKkI9Genweyks20DA&usg=AFQjCNFfl-tlbFy0qq6uRnVkYT-_gyKrhg)

          Yes Mark, that is interesting. I wonder what ever happened with that suit. We probably will never know there both dead.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 15, 2010, 01:29:43 AM
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Great Article About Joe and Dr D.



          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=n ... YT-_gyKrhg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=news&cd=17&ved=0CDIQqQIwBjgK&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fid%3DHP8hAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DsGkFAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D2462%2C2099056%26dq%3Dgolden%2Bark%2Benterprises%2Binc%26hl%3Den&ei=CC-QTPKkI9Genweyks20DA&usg=AFQjCNFfl-tlbFy0qq6uRnVkYT-_gyKrhg)

          Yes Mark, that is interesting. I wonder what ever happened with that suit. We probably will never know there both dead.
          I believe you hit that on the head totally. They are dead, and when the time ever comes for the rest of Elan staff to be held accountable which probably wont happen anyways, but they can blame them both for brainwashing them into treating children that way. Unfortunately, every staff member ever there is totally fully going to be covered but claiming Ricci made them do it and they were told it was for the children's best interest.

          Danny you once said you were sucked into the lies and believing Joe was actually doing a great service to others once, so if you got brainwashed then so did everyone else working there...see how easy their defense is?? You yourself can see my point I am sure. Thing is maybe the staff was brainwashed, guess we will never know the truth since Ricci is six feet under.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 15, 2010, 01:32:04 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Marky is such a tough guy
          Tough talk from a coward
          You would certainly not say that shit to my face
          But I know.. You are showing off cuz Sharon is back
          Lets put an end to this right now
          Meet you anywhere you like.. then you can talk that shit to my face
          I know you can type... but can ya put up ?
          You know where I am at Coward
          You might as well be pissin in the wind... You have never looked more dumb or pathetic
          Congrats
          Why can you threaten people but they cant threaten you??? Who made you above, act like a man and knock it off and put the dick back in your pants. We are all done with the I got the bigger dick crapola around here.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 15, 2010, 01:39:54 AM
          I am sure tomorrow will be another day of hell on here....I can just imagine the bullshit dribbling out on here. Anyone feel like doing my Algebra, this course sucks fully. I am so done with mathematics.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 15, 2010, 01:49:18 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Marky is such a tough guy
          Tough talk from a coward
          You would certainly not say that shit to my face
          But I know.. You are showing off cuz Sharon is back
          Lets put an end to this right now
          Meet you anywhere you like.. then you can talk that shit to my face
          I know you can type... but can ya put up ?
          You know where I am at Coward
          You might as well be pissin in the wind... You have never looked more dumb or pathetic
          Congrats
          and sharon is not back..I only came on here because I was sick of my kids and Tim being discussed. I have a life and do not intend to waste it daily talking about how poor ART's life is so bad all the time. I got a lot of much better things to do then to watch you daily try to prove you got a big dick....lmao now that would be a lie wouldn't it be Art. Cannot say I do not know personally can you. Leave me out of your misery. I am flat out tired of your side show. You bring it upon yourself then get all pissed when people had enough. You are just as delusional as your buddy Felice. Please by all means keep her and leave me the fuck alone. I fully know who my friends are in this life. Obviously I am not as dumb as you try to make me out to be. So keep lady Jane please by all means carry on...I see her really being in a position to ever help you, well then again she can hold your bed pan for you when your roommates with her in the nutcracker house. Then you both can chant, its Marky's fault over and over and over again as you rock back n forth and back n forth...(Oh fuck I actually visualized it.....roflmao) (omfg too funny)..that's it I got to get some more homework done.....whenever I can quit laughing my ass fully off........night all..
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 15, 2010, 01:54:14 AM
          Hey Mark did you ever tell Art you were buying auto parts from him last month. Bet he would fucking flip knowing he was nice to you during the sale...how often do you go in the shop anyways for parts???
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 15, 2010, 01:55:59 AM
          Art you fricken live ten fucking minutes away from Mark, so well idk but your the coward.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 15, 2010, 01:58:40 AM
          Hey Mark...Have the police once ever spoken to you about Art??? No I did not think so either. And you know a lot of police too just like everyone else does. Your neighbor is a cop right...yeah wind nothing but wind. But Mark be careful anyways because I believe Art is unstable enough to actually snapp like Lady Jane any minute.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 15, 2010, 07:31:43 AM
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Great Article About Joe and Dr D.



          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=n ... YT-_gyKrhg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=news&cd=17&ved=0CDIQqQIwBjgK&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fid%3DHP8hAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DsGkFAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D2462%2C2099056%26dq%3Dgolden%2Bark%2Benterprises%2Binc%26hl%3Den&ei=CC-QTPKkI9Genweyks20DA&usg=AFQjCNFfl-tlbFy0qq6uRnVkYT-_gyKrhg)

          Yes Mark, that is interesting. I wonder what ever happened with that suit. We probably will never know there both dead.

          Davidson dies and nothing was really said, I will keep looking
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 15, 2010, 07:37:55 AM
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          Hey Mark did you ever tell Art you were buying auto parts from him last month. Bet he would fucking flip knowing he was nice to you during the sale...how often do you go in the shop anyways for parts???

          Actually I was in there for a starter, he acted nice, but you see he was an Ass-Hole inside, My buddy I was with said the same thing. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:"  Karma A Bitch "
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 15, 2010, 07:44:00 AM
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          Hey Mark...Have the police once ever spoken to you about Art??? No I did not think so either. And you know a lot of police too just like everyone else does. Your neighbor is a cop right...yeah wind nothing but wind. But Mark be careful anyways because I believe Art is unstable enough to actually snapp like Lady Jane any minute.

          I know probably a good part of the force and the Chief Mike is a friend of mine,We chat at Village meeting, and around town.I have mentioned Farty to them, and know one knows him. I told Mike about Farty and his internet crap, and he laughed. So the answer to your question is , No I have Never Been Contacted By Any law enforcement group.Or FBI, :beat:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

          The Farty is always full of shit,He has made so many statements  and threats, he would be in jail, :cheers:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :rasta:  :rasta:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 15, 2010, 07:54:27 AM
          Joe and the Dr

          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=n ... MzT-nBw8Xg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=news&cd=8&ved=0CEQQqQIwBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fid%3DDAggAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DHGUFAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D4609%2C3688388%26dq%3Ddr%2Bgerald%2Bdavidson%2Bbrookline%2Bmass%26hl%3Den&ei=oLOQTP-xHtntnQfX1NC0DA&usg=AFQjCNFo6JGp2FSiK1-npX-3MzT-nBw8Xg)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 15, 2010, 07:57:34 AM
          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=n ... xkZzneabEw (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=news&cd=8&ved=0CDYQqQIwBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fid%3DI_8hAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DsGkFAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D1436%2C3475177%26dq%3Djoe%2Bricci%2Bsued%2Bby%2Bhis%2Bpartner%2Bgerald%2Bdavidson%26hl%3Den&ei=aLSQTMvhCoyLnAeCnu20DA&usg=AFQjCNFAojeg9ohbSTtjced4xkZzneabEw)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 15, 2010, 08:30:44 AM
          Where is the Farty,?? Thinking up his next band of threats, on a password protected thread, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl: , There is a reason for that Farty, It keeps Ass-Holes like you in line.When you sign in you also sign away any rights, AKA " Free For All", Are you that stupid Farty, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl: Go away and leave us all alone, Crazy Jane is calling, and 8 Ball, needs her balls rubbed  :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Che Gookin on September 15, 2010, 10:07:29 AM
          So who here spent time in the ring? What was that like?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB II on September 15, 2010, 06:31:29 PM
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Great Article About Joe and Dr D.



          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=n ... YT-_gyKrhg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=news&cd=17&ved=0CDIQqQIwBjgK&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fid%3DHP8hAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DsGkFAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D2462%2C2099056%26dq%3Dgolden%2Bark%2Benterprises%2Binc%26hl%3Den&ei=CC-QTPKkI9Genweyks20DA&usg=AFQjCNFfl-tlbFy0qq6uRnVkYT-_gyKrhg)

          Yes Mark, that is interesting. I wonder what ever happened with that suit. We probably will never know there both dead.
          I believe you hit that on the head totally. They are dead, and when the time ever comes for the rest of Elan staff to be held accountable which probably wont happen anyways, but they can blame them both for brainwashing them into treating children that way. Unfortunately, every staff member ever there is totally fully going to be covered but claiming Ricci made them do it and they were told it was for the children's best interest.

          Danny you once said you were sucked into the lies and believing Joe was actually doing a great service to others once, so if you got brainwashed then so did everyone else working there...see how easy their defense is?? You yourself can see my point I am sure. Thing is maybe the staff was brainwashed, guess we will never know the truth since Ricci is six feet under.


          Absolutely.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB II on September 15, 2010, 06:44:41 PM
          Thanks Mark, your hard work is never forgotten in my mind. Sharon it is no big deal, we did give folks a bit of entertainment for a while back at the beginning of the year but things change. I am trying to change here and not be so combative. Art your a good dude, I really did enjoy those emails we shared even though at times they were strained. We were at least trying to communicate, at least I thought so. I love all you guys and always have, we are a strange bunch and make it much more difficult then it has to be at times, I have made many mistakes here and have hurt many, just do not want to do that anymore. Felice love ya, big time.
          Anyway,
          I have been focusing on Elan of late and talking with different people. I have been talking with a parent who has a child up there now, it is just the beginning so not to much info yet but I am talking with her about the history of abuse, lack of accreditation problems forwarding on to public schooling and or college, long term damage psychologically ect...  
          I will keep you folks in touch.
          Thanks Danny
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 15, 2010, 07:09:31 PM
          I have mentioned Farty to them, and know one knows him. I told Mike about Farty and his internet crap
           
          well since you are airing dirty laundry, I thought I would catch you in this particular lie. Though most everything you write is a lie these days Marky
          Mike B happens to be a friend of mine as well. You are right,he knows all about you LOL. Ask him where he buys his car parts,and from whom.  
          You cant even get your lies right
          thats all I am gonna say for now
          But you are again caught in a lie Marky.
          I have lost count of how many that makes Gary,Joe,Jeff,Reporter,and whomever else you are "pretending" to be this hour
          Could you put a leash on that rabid dog of yours?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 15, 2010, 08:13:47 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          I have mentioned Farty to them, and know one knows him. I told Mike about Farty and his internet crap
           
          well since you are airing dirty laundry, I thought I would catch you in this particular lie. Though most everything you write is a lie these days Marky
          Mike B happens to be a friend of mine as well. You are right,he knows all about you LOL. Ask him where he buys his car parts,and from whom.  
          You cant even get your lies right
          thats all I am gonna say for now
          But you are again caught in a lie Marky.
          I have lost count of how many that makes Gary,Joe,Jeff,Reporter,and whomever else you are "pretending" to be this hour
          Could you put a leash on that rabid dog of yours?

           Now you say that to say what,?? Of course if you said anything to him he would call me, You Idiot,But first he would want proof, and with all your thoughts and dribble, and threat, well he would still be laughing,
          So who looks like the ass, ?????  If he saw your confessions to having sex, with under age girls, he would arrest you. :cheers:  :cheers:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  So think up something a little better Farty, I am a solid citizen, your not, your a predator, and a pedophile. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  Be nice to 8 Bal tonight, You Fuck, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 15, 2010, 08:38:30 PM
          Ya solid Citizen
          Do you even read what you write ? Who,but a sick fuck could even think of this crap?
          Arrest me ? For what Marky. My side of the street is clean pal
          This is your temper tantrum. Mike is but one of several who see's the real Marky
          He has read your drivel.... How do ya like me now Marky ?
          Could ya kick your feet and stomp your fists too ?
          Solid Citizen
          LOL
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 15, 2010, 08:51:12 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Ya solid Citizen
          Do you even read what you write ? Who,but a sick fuck could even think of this crap?
          Arrest me ? For what Marky. My side of the street is clean pal
          This is your temper tantrum. Mike is but one of several who see's the real Marky
          He has read your drivel.... How do ya like me now Marky ?
          Could ya kick your feet and stomp your fists too ?
          Solid Citizen
          LOL

          Oh Farty your so full of shit again, :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 15, 2010, 08:51:56 PM
          Danny here is the wall of shame,

          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... ffuq25mwFw (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=24&ved=0CBwQFjADOBQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftreatment.psychologytoday.com%2Ffacilities%2Fall%2FFamily-Conflict&ei=PWmRTPaeLcWgnwfG3NC0DA&usg=AFQjCNHLczxOeU2bE3tYwLinffuq25mwFw)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 15, 2010, 08:58:17 PM
          Post Info   TOPIC: WHT ELAN STUDENTS DO SO BAD AFTER LEAVING

          Date: Sep 8, 2006
          WHT ELAN STUDENTS DO SO BAD AFTER LEAVING
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          WHY DO THE STUDENTS WHO WENT TO ELAN HAVE SUCH BAD LUCK,HALF OF US HAVE DONE DRUGS,AND DONE ALOT OF OTHER THINGS,LIKE END UP IN JAIL.I HAVE NOT YET HEARD FROM ANY ONE THAT HAS DONE GOOD SINCE THEY LEFT THAT HELL HOLE.AS ALOT OF US GOT OLDER AND HAVE HAD KIDS OUR SELVES THINGS HAVE CHANGED FOR SOME OF US,BUT ALOT OF PEOPLE WHO DID GO TO ELAN ARE STILL A MESS,SO I ASK WHAT IS THAT SCHOOL THERE FOR? IF I AM WRONG ABOUT ANY ONE WHO HAS NOT MESSED UP TELL ME I WAS THERE FROM 89-93 IF YOU READ THIS JUST LET ME KNOW.::


                               




          Date: Feb 7, 2007
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          I have done well, but Elan doesn't get much of the credit.






                                                   


          Date: Jul 12, 2009
          RE: WHT ELAN STUDENTS DO SO BAD AFTER LEAVING
          Reply Quote

          the reason SOME FORMER ELAN STUDENTS HAVE SUCH A DIFFICULT TIME RECOVERING IS BECAUSE AFTER BEING TORN DOWN THEY WERE NOT BUILT BACK UP, NOT ENCOURAGED, NURTURED OR EVEN CONSOLED....AFTER SEXUAL ABUSE AS A CHILD CAME OUT IN A GROUP, I WAS PLACED IN THE BOXING RING AT LEAST 8 ROUNDS, MAJOR GENERAL MEETING....ASKED WHY I HAD SO MUCH RAGE, I DIDNT EVEN KNOW THAT THE ABUSE HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH ALL MY PROBLEMS,,,THE ROOTS OF THE KIDS' PROBLEMS WERE RARELY ADDRESSED...COPING SKILLS WERE NOT TAUGHT.... IN MY DAY IT WAS RUN LIKE A PRISON....KIDS LIVED IN DUMPSTERS FOR RUNNING AWAY, KIDS WHO EXPRESSED THEIR HOMOSEXUALITY WERE ACTUALLY HUMILIATED AND DEGRADED, NOTHING WAS PRIVATE....EVERYTHING WAS EXPOSED....I CAN REMEMBER FEAR IN PEOPLES EYES, CHILDRENS EYES ON A DAILY BASIS....  KARMA IS THE ONLY JUSTICE I CAN HOPE FOR , FOR MYSELF AND OTHERS AS OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OBVIOUSLY CONDONES THESE ABUSIVE BEHAVIOURS.....THE PROOF?  HIGH LEVEL GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS INVOLVED NOW.....  TO THIS DAY, I CANT EVEN BEGIN TO DELVE INTO THE MINDSET THAT  WAS CREATED AND THAT STILL PLAGUES MYSELF AND OTHERS TODAY.....MY MOTHER ASKED ME NOT LONG AGO WHY I NEVER SAID ANYTHING WHILE I WAS THERE..... U WHO WERE THERE, U KNOW Y.....SCREENED PHONE CALLS THAT WERE DISCONNECTED AT THE HINT OF COMPLAINTS, LETTERS SCREENED, MY DAD ALWAYS WONDERED WHY I NEVER WROTE, HALF THE TIME I WASNT ALLOWED AND THE OTHER HALF......COULDNT BE TRUTHFUL WITH HIM, LETTER WOULD NEVER HAVE GOTTEN THERE.....

          MY NAME IS  JACKIE IVERS.............. AND I APPROVE THIS MESSAGE...!!

          *AND THOSE OF YOU WHO SAY JUST GET OVER IT?  NOT GONA HAPPEN..... IS IT OK TO BEAT CHILDREN INTO SUBMISSION, TO BREAK THEIR NOSES IN THE RING, TO CAUSE AND INFLICT PHYSICAL, EMOTIONAL AND PSYCHOLOGICAL DAMAGE TO CHILDREN?  I DONT CARE IF U THINK IT WAS OK....MAYBE YOUR STRONGER THAN SOME AND THAT IS TO THOSE WHO SAY GET OVER IT....It ABSOLUTLEY AMAZES ME THAT THE ELAN SCHOOL IS STILL OPEN, THE SAME ABUSERS ARE THERE, AND OUR GOVERNMENT ALLOWS IT.....

          SO, TELL ME WHY 60 MINUTES AND 20/20 DIDNT EXPOSE THEM? ESPECIALLY WHEN OVER 30 OF US "TROUBLED" KIDS WERE SENT TO PARSONSFIELD? OUR MEDIA IN THIS COUNTRY IS AS CORRUPT AS THE PEOPLE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO REPORT ON.... ITS 20 SOME YEARS LATER...... I STILL WANT JUSTICE..... I WANT ADMISSIONS, APOLOGIES, I WANT CLOSURE, CLOSURE THAT TIL THIS DAY, I HAVE BEEN UNABLE TO ATTAIN.....

          CHILDREN OF THE DARK I BELIEVE THE DOCUMENTARY WAS CALLED..... OR CHILDREN OF NIGHT..... LOOK IT UP,ASK QUESTIONS IF ENUFF PEOPLE CARED AND ENUFF PEOPLE CONTACTED THE "RIGHT PEOPLE".....SOMEONE COULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE..........ANYONE WHOS BEEN THERE IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS CAN FILE A LAWSUITL...WE SHOULD ALL BE ABLE TO FILE THEM AGAINST THE MAINE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND THE MAIN DEPARTMENT OF CHILDRENS SERVICES..... SO MUCH MORE I CAN SAY AND MAYBE I WILL SOMETIME....MY EMAIL ADDY IS [email protected]    ANYONE EVER WANTS TO DROP ME A LINE, HAS ANY ???? ETC PLEASE PUT ELAN IN THE SUBJECT LINE......HOPE YOU CAN VISIT MY SITE ON MULTIPLY, U CAN GET THERE BY PUTTING 'TIMETOCLOSETHEDOORSOFELAN" INTO YOUR SEARCH ENGINE..... HOPE YALL FIND PEACE AND HAVE A WONDERFUL SUMMER..
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 15, 2010, 09:23:07 PM
          The first time I saw a Psychiatrist, I was 8 years old. My parents were going through a very messy divorce. My Father wanted custody of my 2 brothers and I. This was very hard on me; it did not fit into my reality of what a family was. Divorce was a new thing back then in 1973, we were the first in our neighborhood. The “shrink” asked me who I wanted to live with. It was right then I realized that there was something very wrong with Psychiatrists. What kind of person would ask an 8 year old  to pick between her parents? I loved both of them the same, the way I now love both of my ?? the same.

          FAST FORWARD>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

          I am 13 years old and my Father tells me we have an appointment with a Psychiatrist in Downtown Chicago. I have a few problems, but what 13 year old does not? I watched my Father mentally destroy my mother. He then used her mental instability against her to take away the only thing that mattered in her life...her children. He then married his mistress of 7 years (also his secretary). I was not exactly thrilled to be living with the woman who helped to destroy my happy home. Not to mention the fact that she was an adulteress. I wished her dead several times a day and even prayed to G-D at night to take this wicked woman away. Eventually I got to know her and she was very kind and loving to me. I liked her. She would never be my Mom, but she was my friend for sure.

          While on Vacation in Mexico with my Father she became very sick. She assumed this was her pregnancy. However it was not. She was not only carrying my half-brother in her womb, she was carrying a tumor the size of a large orange in her brain. My Father truly loved this woman and did everything he could to save her life. In the end he brought her home to die. It was a terrible sight to see. She was in a vegetative state. You could see where the Doctors had cut a huge hole in her skull. There was nothing left of her, just a body waiting to die. It was a constant reminder of how I had prayed to G-D to take her life and how I had wished her dead. Of course I do not have that power, but at the time I felt a lot of guilt. I was sent to summer-camp knowing I would never see her again. On July 1st I awoke around 6:00 a.m. and demanded to call immediately.  I knew she woke me up on the way out, I could not explain it but I knew. The counselors at the camp assured me that if something had happened my Father would have called. Two days later my Father called to say she had died (at the time and date I woke up). I later found out that when my Father went to his safety deposit box all the watches in there were stopped at the exact time of her death. I guess you could say I was a little twisted from this trauma. My Father a member of the Jewish Priesthood most high has never set foot in a synagogue since. One day, I went to this appointment at Northwest Memorial Hospital and met Dr. ?? a shrink from England, only I was not allowed to leave. This was my new home; an Adolescent Treatment Program. It was a locked unit for teens with a system based on reward and punishment with a level system. The higher the level the more privileges you earned. There were day patients there to teach me all about street drugs and crime. One day we stole the unit key and escaped into downtown Chicago where I got so drunk I passed out in the stairwell of some high-rise.

          I would be released and re-admitted to the same unit one more time. The day patients would bring in drugs, we were allowed to smoke cigarettes it was not so bad. I liked my shrink, because he said my Father was the one with a problem.

          My next Adolescent Treatment program was at Chicago Lakeshore Hospital. Same basic program of behavior modification, only this time they added medication. I did not like medication. My "shrink" was Dr. ??, a wealthy Psychiatrist from Israel who wore alligator shoes. He told me that manipulation was a positive thing. All I had to do was be Daddy’s little ?? and the world would be mine. For my Birthday I was given a “Dental Pass”. My Father and new Step-Monster took me and a friend to see The Rolling Stones. We were seated separately. My friend brought all kinds of goodies. I was returned to the Hospital “tripping” and put in solitary confinement. Many years later I was told by another Psychiatrist that the combination of medications I was on at that Hospital were not approved for people under 18 and the combination could have killed me. In both Hospitals there was this rumor/threat that if we did not succeed we might end up at a horrible place called Élan. “The last resort”.

          In 1981 that is exactly where my Father wanted to put me. We went in front of the School board for some type of meeting. The School would not pay for my placement there and furthermore stated that I that I did not need to be in Élan. I could go to Public school. My Father said “fine then I will pay for it myself”  My first day at Élan I was escorted to a bathroom, made to strip in front of two strangers and take a Quell shower. I was told I would be a resident of House #3. There were many Houses in Poland Spring, Maine. #3, #5, #7, #8 and Administration #1. There was also a house in Waterford, Maine #6 and two houses in Parsonsfield, Maine #2 and #4. Élan #3 was “the big House.”

          The first thing I noticed was all the costumes. These were called Learning Experiences or L.E.; they were made from mostly cardboard and came from the communications Dept. Dunce caps Cigarette hats. Nuclear Reactor Boxes, Whore and Pimp costumes the list goes on. Whatever the “issue” was there was a L.E. to go with it. With every L.E. there was a sign sometimes you only got a sign. These would always start out “Please confront me as to why........” It was not unusual to see someone with 15 signs. One night at school a kid walked into class from another house wearing a huge penis on his head with a sign in it that said “ Please confront me as to why I think with one head and not the other” I had to hide behind my book to not laugh. If you laughed at someone’s L.E. you got the same one.

          There were boxing rings to beat you into submission, Haircuts where 3 people yelled at you over trivial stuff. General Meetings where hundreds of your peers were whipped into frenzy in the dining room before you arrived and when you did then would all rush at you to yell and spit in your face. Then the Director would emotionally lambaste you for hours. At the end you were given an L.E. and “Shotdown” made to scrub floors and toilets all day. Then there was the Corner for those who would not “get with the program”. It was meant to be used for a couple of hours, because it was unbearable. You could not talk or read or listen to music or anything and some other poor kid had to supervise you the whole time. I stayed in the corner for 5 months. I refused to abuse my peers. I was not going to humiliate others. For this I was severely abused, but I did not care. I gave it right back. I was not going to join a cult.

          In a last effort to get me to conform, my Father flew up and told me that I was going to be there until the bulldozers came. Three weeks later he returned to pick me up; I had done the impossible I had been kicked out of Élan in eight months. My Father and Step monster tried to drop me off in Mass. It was a school for mostly mentally handicapped Teens. I told them I would raise hell and they would not take me. Unwillingly me Father had no choice but to take me home. I took the G.E.D. and tried to go to Columbia Collage. There was something wrong with me at this point, socially although I could not put my finger on it. To cope while in the corner I would use different techniques that I had read about. I was not allowed to close my eyes so I would stare at the vertex until everything went black. Each time it was easier. I would at first astral travel. After the meeting with my Father I decided to try “Creative Visualization”. I had read a small book by the same name before entering Élan and it was the perfect time to try it out. I imagined the same scenario over and over again. When it actually happened I was sure I was still in the corner visualizing it. Only after the visualization went past the point of my creation did I know that it had worked. I think I was in shock.

          Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally. -Abraham Lincoln

          FAST FORWARD>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

          For many years I did not have a relationship with my Father and Step-monster. One day in 1998 I was given the opportunity for my Children and I to get away from my abusive wife and move to rural.?? Choosing what I felt was the lesser of two evils I took the bait. There was one condition I had to see a Psychiatrist. This should have been a big red flag for me, but it was not. My Children were enrolled in School and were doing well. I had a job at Lands’ End main headquarters. It was located 3 blocks from where I lived in ??,  On the weekends I would have brunch with my Father an Step monster who never failed to condescend. I put up with it for monetary benefit.

          On August 16th 2000 a Social Services worker showed up at my door and requested to see my oldest Daughter. She was sleeping at a friend’s house. I told her this. Within minutes my house was surrounded by The ?? Police Department, The ?? County Sheriffs and Unmarked vehicles, I agreed to let a ?? Police Officer search my house, he confirmed my Daughter was not there. My Daughter then called on the phone I told her what was going on. She agreed to speak with Social Services. To make a long story short, both of my Daughters were taken from me that day. At the request of my Step-monster. They were put into Foster care, where one remains today. They were 8 & 12 at the time. I was sent to a Mental Hospital the very same day, for getting “Hysterical”. If you ask me, if you do not act a little “Hysterical” when someone comes and takes your Children away you really have a serious problem. For the next 2 years I was systematically harassed in an attempt to criminalize me. I think it might have  worked exxcept for the fact that I pleaded NGI. I also opted for a bench trial for reasons that I will not make public at this time. If you take my kids away on the basis of my Mental Illness, please do not call me a criminal. When I found the actual paper in my case file at the court house that contained the evidence of my Step monsters report to Social Services I was irate to say the least. It said I had been diagnosed with Mental Illness and she did not care what happened to me but she wanted my Children to be put in Foster Care. Before my Children were taken from me in 2000 I was seeing a Therapist and Psychiatrist of my own choice. I was on 2 Medications. I had a healthy and happy life. I had no criminal charges. We need to look at how this is seen for a reason for removal of Children from the home. I have never in my life experienced such stigma and open hatred for wanting to get some help in the MH industry. I also have to state that this event has been the most Traumatic thing I have and continue to experience in my life.

           "You do not examine legislation in the light of the benefits it will convey if properly administered, but in the light of the wrongs it would do and the harms it would cause if improperly administered."-Lyndon B. Johnson

          I was sent to the state Hospital and Diagnosed with 5 different things. I am now court ordered to take 6 different kinds of medication and 1 more because they make me physically Ill.  I have a D.O.C. worker who gives me random urinalyses. I have a Conditional release worker. I have a Court appointed Psychiatrist and a court appointed Therapist. We must not forget the Social services worker either. I never had any freedom in America to begin with. I am not paranoid I have justified fear. Outpatient Commitment is Unconstitutional, but so is The Patriot Act. Without a lawyer, like many Americans find out you have no chance for justice. I have a good cases against the State of ?? for both unjust removal of my Children and continued denial of my Civil and Constitutional rights. As far as my "Conditional Release" I have a good case there too. I just cannot afford a lawyer. If you look at the statistics, people most affected by this are the ones who cannot afford proper legal representation. Any lawyer out there willing to help? Here is a list of the Court ordered Medications I am forced to take:

          · Adderall 30mg. tab 3 times daily
          · Paxil 40mg. tab 2 times daily
          · Topomax 100mg. tab 1/2 tab in a.m. 2 tabs in p.m.
          · Ativan 1mg. tab 1-4 tablets daily as needed
          · Trazadone HCL 100mg. tab 2 at bedtime
          · Ambien 10mg. 1 at bedtime
          · Hyoscyamine sulfate 0.375mg.ter (gen.Equiv for Levbid) Take one Tablet by Mouth every twelve hours for Abdominal cramps & Diarrhea. (Because now I have Irritable bowel syndrome from the other six medications)

          My first hand knowledge of Outpatient forced treatment is basic. You cannot force someone to change. You can monitor them, provide services, overmedicate them (this applies to me) and check their bodily fluids to make sure that G-d forbid they do not use any herbal medications of their own choosing. But real change comes from within. As an alternative to Prison it is of course the preferred route to go. You have to ask yourself, how far backward have we gone? Let’s take a look at my Outpatient Commitment. After my release from ??I I was given all of the above mentioned services with the threat that I could be re-hospitalized at any moment for not following my Conditional Release Plan. This could be initiated by any of the above mentioned people. This causes additional anxiety. Knowing what I know now. I would never seek help. My "confidential" MH files were used against me in court to take my Children. Knowing what my "issues" were: I was provoked and harassed daily.

          (I was also Drugged with everything from neuroleptics’ to antipsychotics’ and SSRI’s you name it! I was forced to report to the ?? County Sherriff 4 times daily for Medication and if I was late I was charged with Bail Jumping.)

          After 3 years of taking my Medication by myself, The Judge has ordered Medication Monitoring after a revocation hearing where I was sent home.

          Now my Conditional release worker wants’ to hire 3 students from the U.??. - to bring me my Medication 4 times a day.

          I am currently taking 3 medications

          1. Adderal- 20 mg. 8 and Noon and 10mg. at 4p.m.
          2. Ativan- 2mg. (8 a.m., noon and 4 p.m.)
          3. Ambien- 20 mg. at Bedtime. (They would like my Bedtime to be 8 p. m.)

          I consider this an invasion of privacy.

          There is a lot more to this story, if you are interested.

          Thank You,



          Now Who Started Out Like This,??  Farty or Crazy Jane,??  What Came First The Chicken or the egg,?? :cheers:  :cheers:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 15, 2010, 09:52:59 PM
          by liarsexposed » Yesterday, 22:42

          The drama? It seems like it's around whenever your lips move. Actually, it seems it is in fact you Sharon who possesses a flair for the dramatic. Hell, just look at how you responded to my post back there...I wasn't talking to you, and you jumped right in calling me an ass-kisser or whatever. (You felt you had to enlarge the font for some reason, too... ) I don't care when it comes to whatever you're talking about between you and DB. You seem to enjoy bickering on here for whatever reason. And you seem to like airing dirty laundry all over these forums. I'll go so far as to say that I bet you are quite an insufferable loudmouth in person, but I could be wrong, I suppose. You just seem to come off that way on here a lot, that's all...

          Ding Ding Ding Ding


          Don't You Like The Big Letters Farty,??? Are They Too Loud, :lala:  :lala:  :lala: ,??? She keeps handing You Your ASS, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:,Why Don't You Shut Up And Go Away,?? You can believe that push comes to shove, Sharon and Danny will stick together, against you, Danny gets his own thing going, but he doesn't hurt anyone or wish harm to them in any serious way, People do not view Danny like you,get that straight, Danny is argumentative, You Farty are a confessed Pedophile. Danny is and will be a far better man than you,ever deserve to meet. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 15, 2010, 10:17:43 PM
          you are a very sick man marky
          but i enjoy your little tantrums
          very predictable
          everyone hates me marky ?
          you and sharon and your 12 screen names
          you should calm down and act like a man just once
          now that would be shocking
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB II on September 15, 2010, 10:28:41 PM
          I thought maybe Mark and Art had missed this, since neither of you commented on what I had to say. So here it is again just in case.



          Thanks Mark, your hard work is never forgotten in my mind. Sharon it is no big deal, we did give folks a bit of entertainment for a while back at the beginning of the year but things change. I am trying to change here and not be so combative. Art your a good dude, I really did enjoy those emails we shared even though at times they were strained. We were at least trying to communicate, at least I thought so. I love all you guys and always have, we are a strange bunch and make it much more difficult then it has to be at times, I have made many mistakes here and have hurt many, just do not want to do that anymore. Felice love ya, big time.
          Anyway,
          I have been focusing on Elan of late and talking with different people. I have been talking with a parent who has a child up there now, it is just the beginning so not to much info yet but I am talking with her about the history of abuse, lack of accreditation problems forwarding on to public schooling and or college, long term damage psychologically ect...
          I will keep you folks in touch.
          Thanks Danny
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 16, 2010, 12:01:45 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Ya solid Citizen
          Do you even read what you write ? Who,but a sick fuck could even think of this crap?
          Arrest me ? For what Marky. My side of the street is clean pal
          This is your temper tantrum. Mike is but one of several who see's the real Marky
          He has read your drivel.... How do ya like me now Marky ?
          Could ya kick your feet and stomp your fists too ?
          Solid Citizen
          LOL
          Solid citizen...no that is fucken priceless.....SOLID CITIZEN..is this before or after you by your weed from what's his name???? Oh, that is so law abiding. You taunt the shit out of people. Oh I forgot your ART and it's ok for you...Stupid..God you are beyond ignorant. I feel sorry for people in your life that have to listen to your bullshit.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 16, 2010, 12:04:21 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          you are a very sick man marky
          but i enjoy your little tantrums
          very predictable
          everyone hates me marky ?
          you and sharon and your 12 screen names
          you should calm down and act like a man just once
          now that would be shocking
          Good to see your back to your old self....Tantrums are you fucking kidding me. For over 6 weeks that is all you have been doing. Ignorant Fucker.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 16, 2010, 07:01:15 AM
          Danny I read it,and thank you
          With the 2 drama queens,back at it full force,its hard to read anything here. Sharon,this is not about you. You may continue this crap with your pal marky or you can be your own woman. My beef was not with you,until you made it about you.
          Marky on the other hand, got his ass handed to him last night for lying about our pal Mike B. Kinda like how he got his ass handed to him with our other friend.
          what does smokin weed have to do with anything ? Was that supposed to be another weapon ? You are exemplifying what Frod had to say yesterday (and many times prior). Why did you bring your Felice Drama here ?  If I said the sky was green,you would say it was purple, just to fight. Something is VERY wrongwith that.
          You havent fooled anyone in your life. Michelle even said be careful, as before 6 mos,you would be back to your old nasty self. That was when you were pretending to be nice.. and guess what ? Only took 6 weeks.
          You were going to be treated to a couple nice dinners via my family's friends @ Lettuce entertain you. You were going to have at least one band at your benefit = no charge. I am a great fundraiser,and an even better friend,but you chose this instead. I am not suprised. I pity you. You lack the capacity to be a friend,and I will not be sucked into this again. This makes 4-5 times you have betrayed my kindness in exchange for acting like a crazy person.
          You and mark talk about Kharma.. and its hit you hard recently. What you are doing is another set up for failure again
          However this turns out. I really wish you well.. But your pal Marky..... He who speaks of sex toys and seems very well versed at Anal Sex proceedures... The 50 yr old crybaby in Fox Lake...is very disturbed
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 16, 2010, 07:37:46 AM
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          I thought maybe Mark and Art had missed this, since neither of you commented on what I had to say. So here it is again just in case.



          Thanks Mark, your hard work is never forgotten in my mind. Sharon it is no big deal, we did give folks a bit of entertainment for a while back at the beginning of the year but things change. I am trying to change here and not be so combative. Art your a good dude, I really did enjoy those emails we shared even though at times they were strained. We were at least trying to communicate, at least I thought so. I love all you guys and always have, we are a strange bunch and make it much more difficult then it has to be at times, I have made many mistakes here and have hurt many, just do not want to do that anymore. Felice love ya, big time.
          Anyway,
          I have been focusing on Elan of late and talking with different people. I have been talking with a parent who has a child up there now, it is just the beginning so not to much info yet but I am talking with her about the history of abuse, lack of accreditation problems forwarding on to public schooling and or college, long term damage psychologically ect...
          I will keep you folks in touch.
          Thanks Danny

          I did read it Danny and thank you,You are a good guy and I have always believed that, I did put some more post up.Scarborough seem to be the big focus now. That obviously Elans life line. :rocker:  :rocker:  :peace:  :peace:


          P.S. Farty is so full of shit,now he is subliminally priming you," Danny I read it,and thank you
          With the 2 drama queens,back at it full force,its hard to read anything here. Sharon,this is not about you. You may continue this crap with your pal marky or you can be your own woman. My beef was not with you,until you made it about you." Oh Arty your so tuff, :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 16, 2010, 07:57:18 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Danny I read it,and thank you
          With the 2 drama queens,back at it full force,its hard to read anything here. Sharon,this is not about you. You may continue this crap with your pal marky or you can be your own woman. My beef was not with you,until you made it about you.
          Marky on the other hand, got his ass handed to him last night for lying about our pal Mike B. Kinda like how he got his ass handed to him with our other friend.
          what does smokin weed have to do with anything ? Was that supposed to be another weapon ? You are exemplifying what Frod had to say yesterday (and many times prior). Why did you bring your Felice Drama here ?  If I said the sky was green,you would say it was purple, just to fight. Something is VERY wrongwith that.
          You havent fooled anyone in your life. Michelle even said be careful, as before 6 mos,you would be back to your old nasty self. That was when you were pretending to be nice.. and guess what ? Only took 6 weeks.
          You were going to be treated to a couple nice dinners via my family's friends @ Lettuce entertain you. You were going to have at least one band at your benefit = no charge. I am a great fundraiser,and an even better friend,but you chose this instead. I am not suprised. I pity you. You lack the capacity to be a friend,and I will not be sucked into this again. This makes 4-5 times you have betrayed my kindness in exchange for acting like a crazy person.
          You and mark talk about Kharma.. and its hit you hard recently. What you are doing is another set up for failure again
          However this turns out. I really wish you well.. But your pal Marky..... He who speaks of sex toys and seems very well versed at Anal Sex proceedures... The 50 yr old crybaby in Fox Lake...is very disturbed

          Back to stalking Sharon's family, Has Bubie gotten her call yet,??
          Farty was going to buy dinner,and a band, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: ,Were going to book Tim Mc Graw or White snake. Maybe Toby Kieth, singing Trailerhood, personal favorite of Farty,

          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... J__vpBn2sA (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CB4QtwIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DOvyTY_oYR_c&ei=CgSSTNezJof-nAfa8L3jCA&usg=AFQjCNHsty05LUmozA4365tdJ__vpBn2sA)


          This song was written for Farty, Busted out again,We are still waiting for the FBI, the Fox Lake PD, well I think everyone see threw that bull-shit Farty.The fact that I do know allot of them, and Sheriffs too, say's everything about your lie's. I have owned a Handyman Service for 10 years and sold car for close to 20, in lake county.I have met everyone twice.

          So don't you act like you know too much Farty, You know shit. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma: , And Sharon keeps handing you your Ass, And boy you sure lost all your love for her quick,Is that what happens when a woman doesn't want to be your bitch, like 8 Ball,???, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 16, 2010, 08:08:54 AM
          Farty are you following Sharon around again,?? She is disgusted by you,Can't you tell,??


          by liarsexposed » 12 minutes ago

          See Sharon.. this is one of those times that you are likeable.. maybe even loveable
          but then you have to revert back to "art called me a cunt".. Here an I thought you and I were passed that
          MARK brought the Felice BS to fornits.. and tho I did not defend her actions.. (UN-defendable) I didnt care for Mark exploiting you and your children,with to the accident and all the pain that has come from this. He did this numorous times here to get some attention. Its really just you and I and him. Everyone else is sick to death of this,therefore never reads it.
          Why would they. Sometimes I just skip through his ramblings.. Many times I have skipped through my own.
          You know this isnt me. I do nopt have 2 sides to me. I have the side of truth and truth only
          Mark is a liar.................
          I know he is your friend and I could care less about that. But seems you want to place all this blame on me,and its not right.
          Mark has yet to own any responsibility for his actions and statements..at least I have never seen it
          I am the same person to those I care for. You have masked that with participating in mark's constant attacks and lies
          You betrayed my friendship with your nasty words.. when I had done nothing but defend myself
          (purposely leaving your name out)
          I wish you well.. but you still want to play this drama game
          and I havent anyone in my life like that except Marky the liar.. and now I guess you too..again or stil



          Everyone is waiting for you to show how I exploited Sharon, :rofl:  :rofl:  You got busted again Farty, She Hates You, Get Over It, Her Sister Also See The Ass Hole Your Are, Remember It Is Her Sister, You Moron, :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  No One Hear's You Farty, :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 16, 2010, 08:16:25 AM
          The Great Words Of Farty


          Re: Sharon V. Danny
          See Sharon.. this is one of those times that you are likeable.. maybe even loveable but then you have to revert back to "art called me a cunt".. Here an I thought you and I were passed that MARK brought the Felice BS to fornits.. and tho I did not defend her actions.. (UN-defendable) I did...
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          Danny I read it,and thank you With the 2 drama queens,back at it full force,its hard to read anything here. Sharon,this is not about you. You may continue this crap with your pal marky or you can be your own woman. My beef was not with you,until you made it about you. Marky on the other hand, got hi...
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          you are a very sick man marky
          but i enjoy your little tantrums
          very predictable
          everyone hates me marky ?
          you and sharon and your 12 screen names
          you should calm down and act like a man just once
          now that would be shocking
          by liarsexposed
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          Ya solid Citizen Do you even read what you write ? Who,but a sick fuck could even think of this crap? Arrest me ? For what Marky. My side of the street is clean pal This is your temper tantrum. Mike is but one of several who see's the real Marky He has read your drivel.... How do ya like me now Mark...
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          I have mentioned Farty to them, and know one knows him. I told Mike about Farty and his internet crap well since you are airing dirty laundry, I thought I would catch you in this particular lie. Though most everything you write is a lie these days Marky Mike B happens to be a friend of mine as well....
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          The drama? It seems like it's around whenever your lips move. Actually, it seems it is in fact you Sharon who possesses a flair for the dramatic. Hell, just look at how you responded to my post back there...I wasn't talking to you, and you jumped right in calling me an ass-kisser or whatever. (You f...
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Oh Marky
          should I be scared Marky
          I think I have spent enough time at your level.
          Time for someone to take the high road
          Could never be you
          You have no class or clue either
          Why dont you call up one of your other screen names (or 6) and play nice nice
          by liarsexposed
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Marky is such a tough guy Tough talk from a coward You would certainly not say that shit to my face But I know.. You are showing off cuz Sharon is back Lets put an end to this right now Meet you anywhere you like.. then you can talk that shit to my face I know you can type... but can ya put up ? You...
          by liarsexposed
          Yesterday, 00:08
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Pretty good I was wrong about 1 screen name out of 12 I also enjoyed the several posts where you didnt attack me,to be followed by 2 that did Same ole same old Marky has you frothing at the mouth again Coincidence I think not HE's got you all wound up over his own actions I am really sorry Sharon. I...
          by liarsexposed
          14 Sep 2010, 16:07
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Sharon To be honest Your previous Websites already documented it as being Mark.. As did Facebook You are now playing games and I want no part of it Mark just wants to have no responsibility for his actions Truth be told.. Had he not stolen my personal info and posted it on your 1st site Dec 30th of ...
          by liarsexposed
          14 Sep 2010, 14:27
           
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          Ha LOL You must think this is a "competition" for Sharon's affections.. I say its all you ... You win.. I have made it through dozens of years without her. I think I can make it through the rest of my life if need be. I think she DOES have you figured out. How do you know so much about Mol...
          by liarsexposed
          14 Sep 2010, 13:48
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          liarsexposed wrote: One of,if not THE smartest thing I have ever seen you or your other screen names post ever. Happy New Year Felice Please make this year count. God knows how many we all have left. SAME TO YOU ART. OBVIOUSLY THESE FUCKIN IDIOTS HAVE NO HISTORY LIKE A HOLOCAUST. TO THEM IT IS ALL A...
          by liarsexposed
          14 Sep 2010, 12:33
           
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          wow So this is how it is.. I wish you well Sharon. I really do Inspite of anything else While I was praying for you and your son. Mark was exploiting you and your son. Make no mistake about it.. Its right here in this thread.. You know the one started by Gary Stadler You still wanna play this game I...
          by liarsexposed
          14 Sep 2010, 01:21
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Sharon I started to write something to respond to your previous post when I realilzed I am wasting my time and will let the authorities sort it out A sick person says all kinds of stupid crap = Felice What kind of person responds to it,FOR YOU,then accuses me of defending her The sick one here is Ma...
          by liarsexposed
          13 Sep 2010, 22:52
           
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          Oh Marky......Heres some attention you obviously need or you would have stopped plaing this game years ago If the day should come,that I need to threaten you.. You'll be the first to know Cockboy As far as defending anyone... You really should just STFU / n Grow up You look for anyone to attack..yo...
          by liarsexposed
          13 Sep 2010, 19:16
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Oh Marky......Heres some attention you obviously need or you would have stopped plaing this game years ago If the day should come,that I need to threaten you.. You'll be the first to know Cockboy As far as defending anyone... You really should just STFU / n Grow up You look for anyone to attack..you...
          by liarsexposed
          13 Sep 2010, 13:41
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Your threats are so ruff, you punk!!, Go fuck 8 Ball in the ass again, or is heshe doing you tonight,?? Your pussy threats, I will Pray for you Arty the Farty , The " Elan Reporter has exposed you and your threats for what they are, Nothing. Don't shit the bed ASS-HOLE, I hope Sharon ...
          by liarsexposed
          13 Sep 2010, 11:48
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          I never open any of your links Marky I barely even read your drivel You are ill and in need of help Stalking me for 7-8 years... Posting my address and phone number Tsk Tsk .. stealing my personal info off facebook ? tsk Tsk Have you read the Il penal code regarding cyber stalking and harrassment ? ...
          by liarsexposed
          12 Sep 2010, 15:58
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          God bless you Art, and thanks for thinking about me before you, I will pray for myself first,and then for you and the crazy whore you run with, I just ask if you could, don't leave 8 Ball out,heshe needs you for your support and abuse, Have a great day and don't Shit your camper shorts. [/quote] Sa...
          by liarsexposed
          12 Sep 2010, 14:43
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Still having trouble with the truth huh Marky.. Looks like another big night of failure for you Just you,your basement,and your computer So Gary... Why would you pretend to be others ? Or is it Joe Gerald ? Why would you create a FB account with my picture,and Gary Standler's name ? You do know what...
          by liarsexposed
          12 Sep 2010, 07:09
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Elan discussion from New Forum Policies 1 ... 102, 103, 104 by garystadler » 17 Jan 2010, 13:51 Again the accusation I have more screen names etc. Who started this little 100 page thread Marky ? How come FB removed Gary's Page upon finding it to be fraudulent. how about those threats from Jeff Coope...
          by liarsexposed
          12 Sep 2010, 02:06
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          How can you take something that is not there, and twist it into something else,? That is another first for you. 2 Funnies in the same week You have been doing this to me for 7-8 years Marky The only bad internet press I might have is as a result of you stalking me.. pretending to be others and writi...
          by liarsexposed
          12 Sep 2010, 01:58
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Am still looking for that link that involves you Mark I also fail to see what you could possibly accomplish by your behaviors Is there a point here ? My opinion.. YOU have noone to talk to.. So you make up screen persona's to seek attention. You use foul language and demonstrate a keen sense of many...
          by liarsexposed
          11 Sep 2010, 15:54
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Poor Marky
          No person to share your bile with.. I guess Felice is an easy target huh
          You are very sick Mark. The one that needs help is you
          Let us know owhat your other screen names think too.
          Dont want them to feel lonely
          You distgust me!
          by liarsexposed
          11 Sep 2010, 12:32
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          ..
          by liarsexposed
          10 Sep 2010, 18:03
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          You know Mark
          I was gonna say something about YOUR illness... But I would be a fool to think you would care
          or get yourself some help
          Best of luck
          by liarsexposed
          10 Sep 2010, 15:06
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          One of,if not THE smartest thing I have ever seen you or your other screen names post ever.
          Happy New Year Felice
          Please make this year count. God knows how many we all have left.
          by liarsexposed
          09 Sep 2010, 13:59
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Lets get something clear right now , this degenerate posting this info under the username, Psy (impersonating) is not Daniel L. Bennison. If there is any question about this I give the real, Psy (administrator) permission to acknowledge said information. I will say this about some of you Elan folk,...
          by liarsexposed
          09 Sep 2010, 12:12
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Hey Danny Click your heels 3 times and repeat after me "I is a fuckstick" Do this 600,000 times and maybe, you will get it You are as unwanted here,as you are in real life. As can be seen by the dozens of hostile responses by dozens of people What part of this dont you get ? Did Felice hur...
          by liarsexposed
          08 Sep 2010, 19:47
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          No they did not they made asses out of themselves Danny (best guess) Kinda like you are doing now. Again.. or still. IF she is so sick,and insignificant.. What really IS your point ? As far as I can tell,that deal with Babitz and his other screen names is over. Is that your best defense ? Wanting to

          Busted Again Spewing Your Bile Farty
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 16, 2010, 08:55:06 AM
          Oh Marky.. King of nastiness and bile
          I dont have time to copy and paste all your nastiness spewed for 10 years. In fact,you just arent very important at all..
          You have busted me  ? For what little man  ?
          Ya Sharon's "sister" really hates me..LOL .. WE just had dinner with her last week.. We are going to dinner (all 4 of us) to RJ Grunts next week as well. Her boy really hates me too.. Every time I see him he gives me a great hug and asks when we are going on the boat next.
          It really must piss you off to no end that you continously are busted for lying. After all,thats what Liars do....
          I would say that your copy/paste routine, violates the Fornits rules about flooding,as has bee pointed out many times before
          But if thats all you got.. I dont mind laughing at you one bit
          Funny thing you mention about Kharma the other day
          Yours WILL come.. Be it by my doing or otherwise
          This I am confident of
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 16, 2010, 12:30:07 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Danny I read it,and thank you
          With the 2 drama queens,back at it full force,its hard to read anything here. Sharon,this is not about you. You may continue this crap with your pal marky or you can be your own woman. My beef was not with you,until you made it about you.
          Marky on the other hand, got his ass handed to him last night for lying about our pal Mike B. Kinda like how he got his ass handed to him with our other friend.
          what does smokin weed have to do with anything ? Was that supposed to be another weapon ? You are exemplifying what Frod had to say yesterday (and many times prior). Why did you bring your Felice Drama here ?  If I said the sky was green,you would say it was purple, just to fight. Something is VERY wrongwith that.
          You havent fooled anyone in your life. Michelle even said be careful, as before 6 mos,you would be back to your old nasty self. That was when you were pretending to be nice.. and guess what ? Only took 6 weeks.
          You were going to be treated to a couple nice dinners via my family's friends @ Lettuce entertain you. You were going to have at least one band at your benefit = no charge. I am a great fundraiser,and an even better friend,but you chose this instead. I am not suprised. I pity you. You lack the capacity to be a friend,and I will not be sucked into this again. This makes 4-5 times you have betrayed my kindness in exchange for acting like a crazy person.
          You and mark talk about Kharma.. and its hit you hard recently. What you are doing is another set up for failure again
          However this turns out. I really wish you well.. But your pal Marky..... He who speaks of sex toys and seems very well versed at Anal Sex proceedures... The 50 yr old crybaby in Fox Lake...is very disturbed


          Funny you quoted the same thing my sister said to me about you, hilarous..anyways I am not feeling to good today so I shall have to par with you later. As for the benefit I believe a few bands are already playing and well I can crack a can of tuna anytime. So, bringing up things of this nature to rubbed it into noses shows everyone how truly low class you are. That benefit is not for me anyways it is for two little boys who did not deserve this car crash. Plain and simple. Nasty, well Art, to me your being extremely nasty and vandictive. Oh that's right you never see what you do. I got better things to do than to be speaking to you today....I refuse to waste my good energy on you. Good night I am taking a nap.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Froderik on September 16, 2010, 01:07:53 PM
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          I got better things to do than to be speaking to you today....I refuse to waste my good energy on you.

          Yet here you are...  ::)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 16, 2010, 01:09:37 PM
          I guess thats one interpretation
          However
          My head was focussed on being of service. Doing right for others.
          Untill you decided that my friendship wasnt worth it... and then the spew
          The Drama
          The BS that anyone who has ever come in contact with you... knows you as
          Best wishes
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 16, 2010, 01:26:43 PM
          ONE LAST THING BEFORE I GO PAMPER MYSELF.......ART SAID OUR FRIENDSHIP IS GONE DUE TO MY NASTY WORDS....WELL HERE IS MY POSITION ON THAT....IF A TRUE FRIEND OF MINE DOES NOT LIKE WHAT I SAY GERENALLY THEY SHOW ME THE RESPECT TO COME COME TO ME INDIVIDUALLY NOT BROADCAST AND SPEW LIKE VOMIT ALL OVER THE PLACE. NOR DO THEY RUN TO MY SISTER NOR MY MOMMY FOR JUSTICE. THEN HE QUOTES MY SISTER WHEN FACT REMAIN SHE HANGS UP THE PHONE AND LAUGHS HER ASS OFF COMPLETELY. MY SISTER HELD ME AND MY CHILDREN WHEN WE DAMN NEAR DIED 6 WEEKS BACK DO YOU HONESTLY THINK SHE GIVES A RAT'S ASS ABOUT FORNIT LAND?? MY SISTER IS PROBABLY SAYING OK AND UMMHMM AND I SEE JUST TO GET THREW THE CALLS OF SPEW. SHE HAS TO KEEP THE PEACE DUE TO HER HUSBANDS PLACE OF WORK THAT DEALS WITH ART'S PLACE OF WORK. BUT TRUTH BE TOLD MY SISTER WOULD BE DAMNED AND SOMEONE WOULD BE HIGHLY DAMNED WHEN IT COMES TO MATTERS OF MY CHILDREN. SHE WILL ALWAYS NO HANDS DOWN HAVE MY KID'S BACKS. MY SISTER HIGHLY HAS MY BACK AND ALWAYS WILL. SO ART IN YOUR DREAMS OF DREAMS TO TRY TO CREATE FAMILY ISSUES KNOW WE GENERALLY CRACK OUR FUCKEN ASSES OFF ABOUT YOU. YOU CANNOT HONESTLY BELIEVE MICHELLE CARES. SHE HAS HER OWN LIFE AND CARES LESS AND FRANKILY I LIKE WHEN YOU GO RUNNING TO HER BECAUSE IT PROVES MY POINT FULLY YOUR UNSTABBLE AND A MORON. WE HAVE SHARED SO MANY FUNNY STORIES AND LAUGHS AT YOUR BEHAVIOR. MY SISTER ALSO TAUGHT ME NOT TO TAKE MENS BULLSHIT....WELL YOUR DISHING BULLSHIT DAILY.....AND TRUTH BE TOLD NOONE AT MY SISTERS EVEN UNDERSTANDS WHAT THE FUCK IS GONE ON EXCEPT YOU SCREAMING AND JUMPING UP ON DOWN LIKE A FRICKEN TWO YEAR OLD GIRL. MICHELLE WILL TELL SOMEONE WHAT THEY WISH TO HEAR JUST TO SHUT THEM UP, BUT THE BOND I HAVE WITH MY SISTER CANNOT NOR WILL BE BROKEN YOU CAN BET THAT FULLY. AND YOU CLAIM TO BE HER FRIEND, NOW THAT'S RICH. YOU GO AFTER HER FAMILY MEMBERS. NOW YOU GO AFTER HER NEFEWS IN THE I WAS GUNNA DO THIS AND THAT BUT NOW IM NOT GAME. WE DO NOT NEED YOU NOR EVEN WANT YOU PRESENT. YOU CANNOT HANDLE ANYTHING IN THE REALITY, FORNITS AND BENEFITS DO NOT GO HAND IN HAND. LMAO MY SISTER ANGIE IS WAITING FOR YOU TO CALL HER NEXT...GOOD NIGHT HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY...I'M ON PHONE WITH MY SISTER NOW, MICHELLE IS HIGHLY EXCITED ABOUT HER NEFEWS AND GUESS WHAT ART NOT A MENTION OF YOU AT ALL....
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 16, 2010, 01:38:16 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          I guess thats one interpretation
          However
          My head was focussed on being of service. Doing right for others.
          Untill you decided that my friendship wasnt worth it... and then the spew
          The Drama
          The BS that anyone who has ever come in contact with you... knows you as
          Best wishes
          MY FAMILY ONLY HAS PEOPLE IN THERE LIVES THAT LOVE US UNCONDITiONALLY, YOUR FRIENDSHIP COMES WITH A PRICE, YOU ASK ME TO TURN ON A FRIEND OF MINE THAT HAS BEEN SUCH A NOBEL SWEET COMPASSIONATE CARING SENSITIVE MAN IN OUR LIVES. IF TURNING ON MY FRIEND MARK THEN MAKES YOU MY FRIEND, WELL SORRY ART I AM MORE LOYAL TO HIM FOR THE GOODNESS HE HAS DONE FOR ME AND MY CHILDREN UNCONDTIONALLY AND WITHOUT ANY TIES TO BARE. EVEN WHEN I WAS SPEAKING TO YOU NEVER ONCE DID MARK ASK ME TO STOP TrYING TO BE YOUR FRIEND, HE HAD MORE RESPECT FOR ME NOT TO PUT ME IN THE MIDDLE. BUT YOU WANT ME TO CHOOSE. I CANNOT WITH GOOD CONSCIENCE TURN ON MY FRIEND NOR WILL I. REAL FRIENDS DO NOT FORCE OTHER TO CHOOSE. THIS LITTLE THING YOU AND MARK HAVE HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH ME. I ASKED YOU BOTH TO STOP SEVERAL TIMES. YOU ATTACK HIM, HE ATTACKS YOU. BUT ONE THING ABOUT MARK IS WHEN I DO SPEAK TO YOU AND TELL PEOPLE YOUR A NICE GUY ETC...HE DOES NOT GET MAD AT ME. HE LISTENS TO ME WHEN I TELL HIM YOUR A GOOD PERSON. THE ACTIONS HERE IN FORNITS LAND ARE NOT REAL ART.....I KNOW FOR A FACT IF THERE WAS A DAY YOU TWO WERE EVER IN SAME ROOM, YOU BOTH WOULD ENJOY EACH OTHERS COMPANY HIGHLY, YOU BOTH ARE FUNNY CHARMING PEOPLE. THIS DRAMA BOX OF DAILY SPEW IS NOT ONE PERSONS FAULT. DAILY I HAVE TRIED TO REASON WITH YOU AND TRIED TO OPEN YOUR EYES. NOONE WANTS YOU TO BE IN PAIN. DAILY I TELL YOU TO HAVE GOODNESS IN YOUR LIFE, YOU GOT IT ALL DON'T YOU SEE THAT?? LIFE CANNOT GET ANY BETTER FOR YOU, BUT THIS DRIVEN PAIN THERE IS SOMETHING YOUR NOT GETTING FULL IN YOUR LIFE TO BE DOING THIS. MAYBE YOUR KARMA IS THE ONE ALL FUCKED UP IF YOU ENJOY PEOPLE MISERY, THEN THATS A HUGE ASS PROBLEM. WHY IS IT YOU CAN ATTACK MARK BUT HE IS SUPPOSE TO GRAB HIS ANKLES AND TAKE IT, HELL NO HE HAS RIGHTS TOO. YOU FUCK WITH HIM DAILY.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 16, 2010, 04:11:54 PM
          You are just looking for a fight Sharon.. And your not gonna get it
          I never said any of that crap about "you cant be marky's friend.. Thats bullshit and you are lying to create drama
          This is nothing new.. "Anyone who has read your drama drivel knows it" Doesnt even matter what the subject is,;.or who is involved
          I reached out to a person in pain.. I set aside our differences over a life changing tragedy
          You betrayed that kindness..period. Its not the 1st time I have reached out to you in pain,nor is it the 1st time you betrayed that kindness
          I was defending you.. Over Marky bringing this Felice thing here. I call that exploiting you and your children.
          I never defended Felice,you even said so yourself.. But it couldnt stop there for Marky...and his attacks on me became worse and worse of a short period of time...As did my responses to his attacks
          Like it,;dont like it.. I dont fucking care
          Grow up and TRY to act like a lady
          Pick a fight with someone else .. You are boring~!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 16, 2010, 07:55:21 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          I guess thats one interpretation
          However
          My head was focussed on being of service. Doing right for others.
          Untill you decided that my friendship wasnt worth it... and then the spew
          The Drama
          The BS that anyone who has ever come in contact with you... knows you as
          Best wishes


          Your Friendship is Shit, Because Your Shit Farty :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 16, 2010, 08:01:35 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          You are just looking for a fight Sharon.. And your not gonna get it
          I never said any of that crap about "you cant be marky's friend.. Thats bullshit and you are lying to create drama
          This is nothing new.. "Anyone who has read your drama drivel knows it" Doesnt even matter what the subject is,;.or who is involved
          I reached out to a person in pain.. I set aside our differences over a life changing tragedy
          You betrayed that kindness..period. Its not the 1st time I have reached out to you in pain,nor is it the 1st time you betrayed that kindness
          I was defending you.. Over Marky bringing this Felice thing here. I call that exploiting you and your children.
          I never defended Felice,you even said so yourself.. But it couldnt stop there for Marky...and his attacks on me became worse and worse of a short period of time...As did my responses to his attacks
          Like it,;dont like it.. I dont fucking care
          Grow up and TRY to act like a lady
          Pick a fight with someone else .. You are boring~!


          Quit Crying, :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  Farty, Are you going to call and Stalk Sharon's sister now,?? Who I might say is a very nice person with a good head, and family values. How in the fuck did she meet you Farty,?? Maybe call 1-800-Bubie-Help, or does she put you on hold ,like the suicide hot line,?? :cheers:  :cheers:  :rofl:  :rofl:  Oh Farty go fuck yourself again, And Sharon nice job handing him his Ass   AGAIN, :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 16, 2010, 08:03:57 PM
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          I guess thats one interpretation
          However
          My head was focussed on being of service. Doing right for others.
          Untill you decided that my friendship wasnt worth it... and then the spew
          The Drama
          The BS that anyone who has ever come in contact with you... knows you as
          Best wishes
          MY FAMILY ONLY HAS PEOPLE IN THERE LIVES THAT LOVE US UNCONDITiONALLY, YOUR FRIENDSHIP COMES WITH A PRICE, YOU ASK ME TO TURN ON A FRIEND OF MINE THAT HAS BEEN SUCH A NOBEL SWEET COMPASSIONATE CARING SENSITIVE MAN IN OUR LIVES. IF TURNING ON MY FRIEND MARK THEN MAKES YOU MY FRIEND, WELL SORRY ART I AM MORE LOYAL TO HIM FOR THE GOODNESS HE HAS DONE FOR ME AND MY CHILDREN UNCONDTIONALLY AND WITHOUT ANY TIES TO BARE. EVEN WHEN I WAS SPEAKING TO YOU NEVER ONCE DID MARK ASK ME TO STOP TrYING TO BE YOUR FRIEND, HE HAD MORE RESPECT FOR ME NOT TO PUT ME IN THE MIDDLE. BUT YOU WANT ME TO CHOOSE. I CANNOT WITH GOOD CONSCIENCE TURN ON MY FRIEND NOR WILL I. REAL FRIENDS DO NOT FORCE OTHER TO CHOOSE. THIS LITTLE THING YOU AND MARK HAVE HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH ME. I ASKED YOU BOTH TO STOP SEVERAL TIMES. YOU ATTACK HIM, HE ATTACKS YOU. BUT ONE THING ABOUT MARK IS WHEN I DO SPEAK TO YOU AND TELL PEOPLE YOUR A NICE GUY ETC...HE DOES NOT GET MAD AT ME. HE LISTENS TO ME WHEN I TELL HIM YOUR A GOOD PERSON. THE ACTIONS HERE IN FORNITS LAND ARE NOT REAL ART.....I KNOW FOR A FACT IF THERE WAS A DAY YOU TWO WERE EVER IN SAME ROOM, YOU BOTH WOULD ENJOY EACH OTHERS COMPANY HIGHLY, YOU BOTH ARE FUNNY CHARMING PEOPLE. THIS DRAMA BOX OF DAILY SPEW IS NOT ONE PERSONS FAULT. DAILY I HAVE TRIED TO REASON WITH YOU AND TRIED TO OPEN YOUR EYES. NOONE WANTS YOU TO BE IN PAIN. DAILY I TELL YOU TO HAVE GOODNESS IN YOUR LIFE, YOU GOT IT ALL DON'T YOU SEE THAT?? LIFE CANNOT GET ANY BETTER FOR YOU, BUT THIS DRIVEN PAIN THERE IS SOMETHING YOUR NOT GETTING FULL IN YOUR LIFE TO BE DOING THIS. MAYBE YOUR KARMA IS THE ONE ALL FUCKED UP IF YOU ENJOY PEOPLE MISERY, THEN THATS A HUGE ASS PROBLEM. WHY IS IT YOU CAN ATTACK MARK BUT HE IS SUPPOSE TO GRAB HIS ANKLES AND TAKE IT, HELL NO HE HAS RIGHTS TOO. YOU FUCK WITH HIM DAILY.


          If You Had Any Ball's Farty, This Post Would Have Hurt
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 16, 2010, 09:16:35 PM
          If You Had Any Ball's Farty, All Post Would Hurt
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 16, 2010, 09:33:02 PM
          Hey Fuck Head, I Mean Farty, Do You Think It's Possible That The Famous " Elan Reporter ". Might Be Bubie,??, Think About it Now,?? You Found Out Who Jeff Cooper Was, So I was Just Thinking Out Loud.And Thought About Who Really Probably Hates You Enough ,To Hand You Your Ass Year After Year, And Not Have To Pay, The Stalking Fee You Provide To All Your Victims, And Bubie Popped up, Hell You Have Harassed And Stalked Her Kids All Thease Years, She Should Have Shot You For The " Scurvy " You Are :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:

           Yep I Bet The Old Girl Is The Reporter, Or Someone Who Just Hands Farty His Ass From Time To Time, As Someone Anonymous, Hec, She Must Love Me, :rocker:  :rocker:  :cheers:  :cheers:  I Take All The Heat, No Matter Who Post's, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :bs: Farty, :bs:  
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 16, 2010, 09:38:26 PM
          More Words Of Kindness From Crazy Jane :suicide:  :suicide:




          by Eliscu2 » Yesterday, 19:40

          SharonMcCarthy wrote:
          Anne Bonney wrote:
          Che Gookin wrote:
          More Christian racism and xenophobia and yet another example why America is reducing itself to the WAN status at an increasingly rapid clip. Sad truth is, most Americans these days are so pig ignorant they can barely read the ingredients label on the Captain Crunch box they are busy shoveling down their throats every morning. What a pathetic nation of losers we've become, utterly pathetic.



          Sad, but true. They're more inclined to listen to the likes of Rush (attention whore, $$ grubber), Glen (certifiable lunatic), Keith (attention whore, $$ grubber) and parrot what they're saying instead of actually educating themselves on a given subject.

          AMEN.....


          DONT YOU HAVE SOME TRAGEDY TO WHINE ABOUT???
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 16, 2010, 09:41:49 PM
          :suicide:  ::unhappy:: Crazy Jane Lives On, Out For This Week So Far, :suicide:  ::unhappy::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 16, 2010, 09:44:36 PM
          Hey Farty How About Some Of Your Bile Tonight ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke:: , Or Is 8 Ball Humping That Ass Now,??, :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa: , Just Relax And It Won't Hurt They Say, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 16, 2010, 10:08:05 PM
          Marky.. Oh Marky
          You are crying...
          Jeff Cooper came from your IP addy Marky.. Its documented several times over.
           December 30, 2009 at 2:05pm
          OK LOOK IT ENDS NOW GOT IT   Art Warshawsky December 30, 2009 at 2:23pm
           December 30, 2009 at 2:25pm
          OH PLEASE DUDE I BUY AUTO PARTS FROM YOU FOR YEARS I KNOW WHO YOU ARE WIND BAG
          So... Little Jeffy is buying car parts from me Sharon ?
          Another Lie you and Marky are busted for
          Michelle is my friend a long time,even before you Sharon. I dont care that she is your friend. I think its good to have someone sane in your life. But dis-respecting,and exploiting her Mom.. On Fornits ?
          To serve as a weapon ? Hey sharon,did you even call her the last couple times she was in the hospital ?
          You are both a fraud
           
          Another Lie you and Marky are busted for
           
          Marky
          With your unique knowledge, of the finer points of anal sex,and sex toys to be used during anal sex..
          You should go far
          There is nothing you can say online,that coincides with who you really are in the real world
          That was a very good lie too.. In fact you fooled Sharon.. and maybe your other screen names
          this is quite the tantrum you have thrown this evening
          Thanks for the cheap rent space in your head
          I just shared your tantrum with some others.. they are still laughing at you from the kitchen
          Its really easy to see when Sharon or Marky is caught in a lie
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 16, 2010, 10:20:28 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Marky.. Oh Marky
          You are crying...
          Jeff Cooper came from your IP addy Marky.. Its documented several times over.
           December 30, 2009 at 2:05pm
          OK LOOK IT ENDS NOW GOT IT   Art Warshawsky December 30, 2009 at 2:23pm
           December 30, 2009 at 2:25pm
          OH PLEASE DUDE I BUY AUTO PARTS FROM YOU FOR YEARS I KNOW WHO YOU ARE WIND BAG
          So... Little Jeffy is buying car parts from me Sharon ?
          Another Lie you and Marky are busted for
          Michelle is my friend a long time,even before you Sharon. I dont care that she is your friend. I think its good to have someone sane in your life. But dis-respecting,and exploiting her Mom.. On Fornits ?
          To serve as a weapon ? Hey sharon,did you even call her the last couple times she was in the hospital ?
          You are both a fraud
           
          Another Lie you and Marky are busted for
           
          Marky
          With your unique knowledge, of the finer points of anal sex,and sex toys to be used during anal sex..
          You should go far
          There is nothing you can say online,that coincides with who you really are in the real world
          That was a very good lie too.. In fact you fooled Sharon.. and maybe your other screen names
          this is quite the tantrum you have thrown this evening
          Thanks for the cheap rent space in your head
          I just shared your tantrum with some others.. they are still laughing at you from the kitchen
          Its really easy to see when Sharon or Marky is caught in a lie


          So do you really think that Bubie is the Reporter , ?? I think your right Farty, After all Farty I am sure you are calling her now, Why would you involve someones Mom,?? In some bull-shit you started,??You are some kind of fucked up, :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 16, 2010, 11:03:42 PM
          Quote from: liarsexposed
          Marky.. Oh Marky
          You are crying...
          Jeff Cooper came from your IP addy Marky.. Its documented several times over.
           December 30, 2009 at 2:05pm
          OK LOOK IT ENDS NOW GOT IT   Art Warshawsky December 30, 2009 at 2:23pm
           December 30, 2009 at 2:25pm
          OH PLEASE DUDE I BUY AUTO PARTS FROM YOU FOR YEARS I KNOW WHO YOU ARE WIND BAG
          So... Little Jeffy is buying car parts from me Sharon ?
          Another Lie you and Marky are busted for, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:



          You cant be for real Farty, :rofl:  :rofl:  I don't find it hard to believe a kid is smarter than you Farty, That how are young make it home from school, by knowing your Stranger Danger The Farty Man, Does 8 Ball know about your predatory ways, oh ofcourse. :beat:  :beat:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :wall:  :wall:  ::poke::  ::poke::  ::poke::  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 16, 2010, 11:10:10 PM
          Hey Farty I can read your mind, :beat:  Your thinking about your worst mistake you ever made, :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  ::unhappy::  That's right signing on here was real stupid," Fart Man 1111 ", :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :flame:  :flame:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:





          You Command Allot Of Respect Here Farty, In A Pussy Sort Of Way,. Do You Think This The Color 8 Ball See's, When She Sticks Her Head Up Your Ass, And Wiggles Her Ears,???
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 17, 2010, 04:14:00 AM
          LMAO...so fricken funny ARTY I want to share with you one little thing that actaully might help if you let the words sink truly in. It could actually save your tormented soul......
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 17, 2010, 05:15:46 AM
          Oh let crazy Jane keep spewing her disgusting crapola. No one even pays her no mind anymore, daily I got people pm ing me they cannot believe the ignorant state of Wisconsin let her be free....she is alone all alone in this world. No one will help her anymore which must suck fully living with that. Hell she cannot even manage to cut herself properly at all either. Only a matter of time she gets evicted and has no where to go and no money. She will have to strap a mattress on her back to survive. Only matter of time before the judge gets fully sick of her and commits her anyways. Oh but she is so so smart, yeah so smart to alienate herself from people who could of provided better for her and would have. Not my fucking problem anymore, nor will I ever lift a finger for that crazy twat. Maybe Art will he is about all she truly has left.....and we knows Art's friendships come with a price around here. I know Mark would slit his own throat before helping her out....especially after the cracks about kids. Mark does not play that crap at all. Mark adores kids and values their lives.


          Seriously I doubt my Mommy is trolling ARTY but it would be funny.(funny visual thou) I am sure he called crying to my sister by now today....cannot be a big boy in life.

          Arty I would hate to be your family doctor, your damn blood pressure is probably out of this world. You need to seriously lighten up for real. PLus you appear to eat a lot of fatty foods, you are no spring chicken anymore you need to be careful. Fornits is not real Art you need to except that fully. It is a fake as forum. No one actually takes this place seriously anymore. Fornits ruined their own name ages ago. Hell where is your proof I am actually even Sharon, or am I someone who used Sharon's name this week. Got proof? Hell I called and got her password all week long. Prove it is Sharon on here. For all you kow I could be Michelle or anyone. Just because it says sharonmccarthy does not mean it truly is. It could even be Marky or Jim. You torment yourself fully. I am surprised you do not have a nervous tick by now.."They are all out to get me, get me, get me." Whatever, your so fucken boring and ridiculous. Such a paranoid fruitcake you turned out to be. Waste what a waste.

          I think from now on I shall refer to you as "Paranoid Fruitcake", now go back to your life and look in the mirror...It is not to late for you to redeem yourself. Pull your pants up and get a fucking grip on reality. My God man grow the fuck totally up. You make me sick.

          You know what Mark seriously..seriously...seriously are you kidding me?? we are wasting good energy on this pathetic loser. Let him spew, just ignore him, let's watch him spin his wheels for few days talking to himself. Now that is generally fun to watch..Call me later. This guy believes his own delusions we cannot possible reason with that, and why should we even bother too. This guy is so fucken out of his mind it completely amazes me he is not roommates with Crazy Jane at the looney bin. Let him spin for real. You are to above this guy fully. And I told you before to stop playing with rat's..lmao

          He created a maze let's see him sink or swim to get through it..I am sure it will be fucking hilarous to watch. Let him run his dick sucker noone cares. No one cares in anything he says. It is so retarded and useless. Like I said he is a Pathetic Fruitcake. Tim use to fucking roll laughing at his comments...good ole Tim could always spot a Nutbag.

          Mark the most funniest part of it is he actually thinks I need him in my life at all...now that is priceless. Why would I need a man to handle my business...LMAO, you know me Mark I am one strong woman, I get my own in this world by my own hard work. He actually thinks he is the only person alive to get bands and ideas for a benefit, now that is arrogant thinking, reminds me of Joe Ricci fully.

          Hey Mark, when you came to see me and Mason at the hospital how many people were there to give me thier unconditional love and support? How many good friends of mine did you meet that day? How many family members were there? How many were there for me and the kids fully? Seriously because God..ooops I mean ART thinks I actually need him. Mark you have met many people that are in my life, did they seem retarded or challenge in not to be able to do things for me or my children?

          Art your arrogance fully exploits you.Your own mouth, your own assholism. You are your own enemy because you are a  loud ass wind bag you never know when to stfu. Look around you Art who really cares?? You think your going to stop me or Mark from our good lives..HELL NO you do not got an inch of power enough to pull that off. You Joe Ricci wannabe.

          OK Mark seriously let's just ignore this idoit fully ..call me today immediately. I am done with this jackass. We got to build our own forum away from the mentally insane people like Art and Crazy Jane and the million trolls in lalalala land ooops i mean fornits. . Why do we punish ourselves like this. Seriously let him blow smoke up his own ass. You are too nobel of a man for this retarded bullshit and to tolerate him is beyond unjust. Dear friend let him talk to himself. If it's any constellation you are one hell of a kick ass friend and I am more than honored to be your friend for life. Who cares about these nutcases and their opinions. Let's boycott fornits and build our own.

          And ARTY dont get it twisted we are leaving because we got class you did not force shit out of us....remember that we can come back and pull your pants down anytime we feel like it. And bet your ass if you continue we just might. We love handing you your ass daily. MARK IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE BETTER MAN...PROCESS THAT FULLY.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 17, 2010, 05:34:49 AM
          Now this fully says it all...Peace and Love I'm going to bed now..Mark call me....LMAO I MEAN IT MARKY.....MARKY what man would call another man MARKY..scarry thing ARTY. ARTY change your diapers...I got size 6 here for Mason would you like me to UPS some to your job or house, it seriously is not a problem....but it comes C.O.D.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 17, 2010, 07:20:32 AM
          Morning Marky
          Are you done with your little tantrum?
          This is quite the little 70 page shitstorm you have created.
          Gonna make for some interesting reading this afternoon.
          My Grampa always told me "if you got it comin to ya,take it like a man" I realize you are barely qualified for the whole "man" thing.
          Your day quickly approaches
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 17, 2010, 09:21:33 AM
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          Oh let crazy Jane keep spewing her disgusting crapola. No one even pays her no mind anymore, daily I got people pm ing me they cannot believe the ignorant state of Wisconsin let her be free....she is alone all alone in this world. No one will help her anymore which must suck fully living with that. Hell she cannot even manage to cut herself properly at all either. Only a matter of time she gets evicted and has no where to go and no money. She will have to strap a mattress on her back to survive. Only matter of time before the judge gets fully sick of her and commits her anyways. Oh but she is so so smart, yeah so smart to alienate herself from people who could of provided better for her and would have. Not my fucking problem anymore, nor will I ever lift a finger for that crazy twat. Maybe Art will he is about all she truly has left.....and we knows Art's friendships come with a price around here. I know Mark would slit his own throat before helping her out....especially after the cracks about kids. Mark does not play that crap at all. Mark adores kids and values their lives.


          Seriously I doubt my Mommy is trolling ARTY but it would be funny.(funny visual thou) I am sure he called crying to my sister by now today....cannot be a big boy in life.

          Arty I would hate to be your family doctor, your damn blood pressure is probably out of this world. You need to seriously lighten up for real. PLus you appear to eat a lot of fatty foods, you are no spring chicken anymore you need to be careful. Fornits is not real Art you need to except that fully. It is a fake as forum. No one actually takes this place seriously anymore. Fornits ruined their own name ages ago. Hell where is your proof I am actually even Sharon, or am I someone who used Sharon's name this week. Got proof? Hell I called and got her password all week long. Prove it is Sharon on here. For all you kow I could be Michelle or anyone. Just because it says sharonmccarthy does not mean it truly is. It could even be Marky or Jim. You torment yourself fully. I am surprised you do not have a nervous tick by now.."They are all out to get me, get me, get me." Whatever, your so fucken boring and ridiculous. Such a paranoid fruitcake you turned out to be. Waste what a waste.

          I think from now on I shall refer to you as "Paranoid Fruitcake", now go back to your life and look in the mirror...It is not to late for you to redeem yourself. Pull your pants up and get a fucking grip on reality. My God man grow the fuck totally up. You make me sick.

          You know what Mark seriously..seriously...seriously are you kidding me?? we are wasting good energy on this pathetic loser. Let him spew, just ignore him, let's watch him spin his wheels for few days talking to himself. Now that is generally fun to watch..Call me later. This guy believes his own delusions we cannot possible reason with that, and why should we even bother too. This guy is so fucken out of his mind it completely amazes me he is not roommates with Crazy Jane at the looney bin. Let him spin for real. You are to above this guy fully. And I told you before to stop playing with rat's..lmao

          He created a maze let's see him sink or swim to get through it..I am sure it will be fucking hilarous to watch. Let him run his dick sucker noone cares. No one cares in anything he says. It is so retarded and useless. Like I said he is a Pathetic Fruitcake. Tim use to fucking roll laughing at his comments...good ole Tim could always spot a Nutbag.

          Mark the most funniest part of it is he actually thinks I need him in my life at all...now that is priceless. Why would I need a man to handle my business...LMAO, you know me Mark I am one strong woman, I get my own in this world by my own hard work. He actually thinks he is the only person alive to get bands and ideas for a benefit, now that is arrogant thinking, reminds me of Joe Ricci fully.

          Hey Mark, when you came to see me and Mason at the hospital how many people were there to give me thier unconditional love and support? How many good friends of mine did you meet that day? How many family members were there? How many were there for me and the kids fully? Seriously because God..ooops I mean ART thinks I actually need him. Mark you have met many people that are in my life, did they seem retarded or challenge in not to be able to do things for me or my children?

          Art your arrogance fully exploits you.Your own mouth, your own assholism. You are your own enemy because you are a  loud ass wind bag you never know when to stfu. Look around you Art who really cares?? You think your going to stop me or Mark from our good lives..HELL NO you do not got an inch of power enough to pull that off. You Joe Ricci wannabe.

          OK Mark seriously let's just ignore this idoit fully ..call me today immediately. I am done with this jackass. We got to build our own forum away from the mentally insane people like Art and Crazy Jane and the million trolls in lalalala land ooops i mean fornits. . Why do we punish ourselves like this. Seriously let him blow smoke up his own ass. You are too nobel of a man for this retarded bullshit and to tolerate him is beyond unjust. Dear friend let him talk to himself. If it's any constellation you are one hell of a kick ass friend and I am more than honored to be your friend for life. Who cares about these nutcases and their opinions. Let's boycott fornits and build our own.

          And ARTY dont get it twisted we are leaving because we got class you did not force shit out of us....remember that we can come back and pull your pants down anytime we feel like it. And bet your ass if you continue we just might. We love handing you your ass daily. MARK IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE BETTER MAN...PROCESS THAT FULLY.


          :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  Wow Farty, A First Thing In the Morning Ass Kicking, I Hope Sharon At least Lets You Take A Shit First. :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:,  Remember Farty, 1-800-Bubie-Help Or PM,The Elan Reporter,Probably The Same Person, :beat:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: You Are Besides Yourself.The One Person, You Thought You Had Control Of Got You. :lala:  :lala:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 17, 2010, 09:27:02 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Morning Marky
          Are you done with your little tantrum?
          This is quite the little 70 page shitstorm you have created.
          Gonna make for some interesting reading this afternoon.
          My Grampa always told me "if you got it comin to ya,take it like a man" I realize you are barely qualified for the whole "man" thing.
          Your day quickly approaches


          Then take it like a man Farty, or was Grandma referring to the corn cob she would jam in your ass, when you were constipated,??? :beat:  :rofl:  :rofl: ,Did Grandma threaten you too,??, I bet she was a bad ass like 8 Ball, :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 17, 2010, 09:35:34 AM
          :notworthy:  :notworthy:  Live Crazy Jane :notworthy:  :notworthy:

           :suicide:  :suicide: It is documented by my Shrink that every time I get some sort of Behavior Mod or Incarceration I need more Xanax.
          Drugs are way better than prison or treatment.
          I am a born again virgin, so I can't really comment on the Sex.....I'll let you know if I ever get laid.  
          (unless I am too busy having a life to post on fornits) :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 17, 2010, 09:38:04 AM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Hey Farty I can read your mind, :beat:  Your thinking about your worst mistake you ever made, :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  ::unhappy::  That's right signing on here was real stupid," Fart Man 1111 ", :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :flame:  :flame:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:





          You Command Allot Of Respect Here Farty, In A Pussy Sort Of Way,. Do You Think This The Color 8 Ball See's, When She Sticks Her Head Up Your Ass, And Wiggles Her Ears,???
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 17, 2010, 09:43:49 AM
          You should have stuck to molesting and intimidating Kids, Farty, Adult fight and fuck back,Have you shit yourself yet,?? I know you don't know what to do,right now.Your spinning ,wanting to call someone,but you know, you will  just be laughed at and mocked ,like the times before, So do this Farty, GO FUCK YOURSELF, :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:
          Title: Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
          Post by: Joel on September 17, 2010, 09:44:58 AM
          Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 17, 2010, 09:51:01 AM
          :cry:  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  Michelle,!!!!!!  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  Bubie!!!!! Make them stop, You wish you had parents to call, don't you Farty, but they never gave you their phone number or address,after they casted you,. And we all know you suck at getting I.P. numbers among other things,So your fucked. Which only leaves  one thing for you to do, And thats GO FUCK YOURSELF> :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 17, 2010, 09:57:52 AM
          Quote from: "Joel"
          Mark I don't think you can write 3 pages about Art today.
          Wana make a bet,?? Farty hasn't gotten started yet. Wait for his bile to start spewing, and he will get the pages filled.Thurs morning the post were1661-views 23201-today 1686-23359, So it could happen, allot of folks tune into the Farty Show, And since the password protection started, all numbers are up,and climbing.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 17, 2010, 10:01:25 AM
          And Here Comes Farty, 1-2-3 The Farty Show Is On
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 17, 2010, 10:02:13 AM
          Quote from: "Joel"
          Mark I don't think you can write 3 pages about Art today.

          Yes he can.... Are you new ? LOL
          This is what children do when they are caught in multiple lies
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 17, 2010, 10:04:50 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "Joel"
          Mark I don't think you can write 3 pages about Art today.

          Yes he can.... Are you new ? LOL
          This is what children do when they are caught in multiple lies



          I knew I smelled a Farty in the hall way
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 17, 2010, 11:31:55 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "Joel"
          Mark I don't think you can write 3 pages about Art today.

          Yes he can.... Are you new ? LOL
          This is what children do when they are caught in multiple lies
          convientally leaving yourself out and not claiming the responsiblity for the shit storm you created on fornits.you are not a man pathetic fruitcake.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 17, 2010, 11:33:40 AM
          :beat:  :beat:  :beat: bet your boss would love for you to earn your keep today..stay off fornits and do your job parts boy....lmao lmao lmao your poor idiot boss such a tard leaving you in charge. go organize a shelf or something.  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 17, 2010, 11:50:42 AM
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          :beat:  :beat:  :beat: bet your boss would love for you to earn your keep today..stay off fornits and do your job parts boy....lmao lmao lmao your poor idiot boss such a tard leaving you in charge. go organize a shelf or something.  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:

          HA Sharon made a funny
          My boss Eric thinks I walk on water...
          Failed again.. How boring.. How Predictable
          You are far more likeable when you are in crisis... brings out the humility in a person.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 17, 2010, 12:06:41 PM
          Hey Fornits get ready and brace yourself..Arty called my sissy, so probably has some stupid retard lies to spew soon...lmao Pathetic Fruitcake and Crazy Jane fully have been allowed around here with no leashes, what's more priceless is the fact Crazy Jane use to moderate..now that's a scarry thought. Hell next Fornits will allow Pathetic Fruitcake to finish off the whole forums. Someone just slam up another photo so he can just get it all over with. Good God if I was running the show there is no way I would allow this guy ten feet into my forum, who's judgement call was that to invite and leave this moron here?? Anyone with any common sense you not allow the devil around so called decent people. I gentle use the term so called decent because really there is maybe two people on a whole in these forums with enough of the emotional stability left. Someone needs to explain when you guys are playing with the mentally ill with people like Fruitcake boy and Crazy Jane generally there will be a shit storm to follow. I mean seriously anyone who answers their phone giggling wormhole from hell is generally someone no one needs to be around. Any day now the whacko is going to go postal. I mean seriously who would let her around their children?? I doubt half of you would. Shit even Fruity cakey boy said himself, he could not believe how far gone she is, which is funny because he is taking a close second right up behind her in line. What is even so embarrassing is the fact my poor sister cannot fully tell him off, she has to play nicey nicey because her poor husband is working in a shop that has to do business with his boss almost daily. My poor brother in law whom is a kick ass guy and hard working for his family has to tolerate this jackass spewing like a retard bill constantly. Can you imagine having some Fruitcake daily spew like a toddler about your sister in law. News flash he was first one by our side after we all got hurt, he loves his family fully and is very very loyal. I could hands down rely on my brother in law for anything he is just such a awesome person, but this retard has to bash and try to hurt him by bringing him involved stuff he does not have a clue about. Some friend he has shown my family he is. Bubie is ill very ill, but yet ole Arty has to upset her constantly. He needs to be ashamed of himself fully, not much of a man in any of our eyes but he is so delusional he actually believes my family cares, shit they have to be nice to him. My sister loves me and my children so much, when this accident happened she was besides herself, and was tormented in seeing me so hurt and the children. She stayed awake for days barely ate, and held me her baby sister while I cried for lossing Tim, and my children so hurt. She took care of me her Baby sister. No offense Art but I know my family a bit better than you do. When I mentioned to Michelle, I doubted Arty was coming to the benefit, she said giggling oh well one less...because they already estimated over 550 people coming if not more. Arty is so self absorbed and does not have a clue Freeport is totally looking out for those poor kids completely. It is not even about me, it is about two poor little kids in a car wreck that was so heinous. My sister does not want to hear about Fornits all day at a benefit anyways, she wants to see her nefews have peace and smile. A smile they fully deserve. Well I am off to have a cup of joe, and eat breakfast...I suppose I will let Arty to reply some dribble and get all emotional screwed up today..I got stuff to do in the real world. Bye all see you soon. Jim call me, Mark call me back,  Mary call me back lmao, and Todd return my calls please you lazy troll. I got some useful tidbits for you today.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 17, 2010, 12:15:30 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          :beat:  :beat:  :beat: bet your boss would love for you to earn your keep today..stay off fornits and do your job parts boy....lmao lmao lmao your poor idiot boss such a tard leaving you in charge. go organize a shelf or something.  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:

          HA Sharon made a funny
          My boss Eric thinks I walk on water...
          Failed again.. How boring.. How Predictable
          You are far more likeable when you are in crisis... brings out the humility in a person.
          Fact you are employed at auto parts place, fact you work for someone else, fact your on their time, makes you a thief in gaining money while not doing a job you are hired for. They did not hire you to have you sit your fat asshole on a computer and fucken be a fruitcake all day and victimize people. 4 sentences is all your delusional ass can come up with now that scarry, your slipping big boy fully. Very disturbed individual to mock at someones misfortune. Keep it coming Arty your just proving my points fully and completely. Already 4 pm's today sympathizing that I have to tolerate you and your Lady Jane all the time. Danny thank you so much for your kind words and yes my children are on the road to recovery. Yes, I also see why your doing what your doing and it is no problem buddy do what you have to to keep the peace. I am just glad we had a chance to fully be on same page about Fruitcakey Boy and Lady Jane.  :peace:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 17, 2010, 12:27:50 PM
          OMFG this video clearly shows what ARTY's father feels daily. POOR man I feel for him so.


          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev9D_ArnVOY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev9D_ArnVOY)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Froderik on September 17, 2010, 12:30:38 PM
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          Hey F'nits get ready 'n brace yourself..Arty callid my sissy, so probab has some sputid retard lies t' spew soon...lmao Padetic Fruitcake 'n Crazy Dgane ful habe been allowebuhd around hehe wid no leashes, duuhhhh, what's more priceless is the, uh uh uh, fack Crazy Dgane use t' modehate..now dat's a scarry dought. GEE danks.Hell next F'nits will allow Padetic Fruitcake t' finish off the, uh, the whole f'ums. Uhhh....Someone dgust slam up anodeh photo so he can dgust get it all obeh wid. Good God if I was runnigg the, ERRRR, show dehe is no way I wudd allow dis guy ten feet into my f'um, who's dgujemin call was dat t' inbite 'n lee dis moron hehe, duh...uh...?, duh...uh...? Anyone wid any common sense you not allow the, uhhh, debil around so callid decent peoble. I gentle use the, duh uhh, tehm so callid decent cuz real dehe is maybe two peoble on a whole in dese f'ums wid enough of the, uh, emoshunal stabiltiby left. Someone need t' explain when you guys are playigg wid de minal ill wid peoble like Fruitcake boy 'n Crazy Dgane genehal dehe will be a shit storm t' foll. I mean sehious anyone who answebuhrs deir phone giggligg wormhole from hell is genehal someone no one need t' be around. Any day now the, uh, the whacko is goigg t' go postal. Lee me lone!I mean sehious who wudd let heh around deir children, duh...uh...?, duh...uh...? I dout half of you wudd. GEE danks.Shit eben Fruity cakey boy said himself, uh uh uh uh uh, he cudd not beliebe duh, how far gone she is, duuhhhh, which is funby cuz he is takigg a close seconb rite up behind heh in line. What is eben so embarrassigg is the, uh uh uh, fack my poor sisteh cannot ful tell him off, uh uh uh uh uh, she has t' play nicey nicey cuz heh poor husband is workigg in a shop dat has t' do bidness wid his boss almost day. My poor brodeh in law whom is a kick ass guy 'n hard workigg f' his famly has t' tolehate dis dgackass spewigg like a retard bill constant. Can you imagine habigg some Fruitcake day spew like a tobbler bou' your sisteh in law. News flash he was firss one by our side affeh webuh all got hurt, uh, he lobes his famly ful and is behy behy loyal. I cudd hands down re on my brodeh in law f' anydigg he is dgust such a awebuhsome pehson, but dis retard has t' bash 'n try t' hurt him by briggigg him inbolbid stuff he does not habe a clue bou'. Some friend he has shown my famly he is. Bubie is ill behy ill, but yet ole Arty has t' upset heh constant. He need t' be ashamid of himself ful, not much of a man in any of our ahs but he is so delushunal he ackual beliebes my famly cares, duuhhhh, shit dey habe t' be nice t' him, GEEEHEEHEEE.My sisteh lobes me 'n my children so much, when dis accident happenid she was besides hehself, uh uh uh uh uh, 'n was torminid in seeigg me so hurt 'n the, errr, children. She stayid awake f' days bare ate, uh uh uh, 'n held me heh baby sisteh while I criid f' lossigg Tim, 'n my children so hurt. She took care of me heh Baby sisteh. No offense Art but I know my famly a bit betteh dan you do. When I minionid to Michelle, uh uh uh, I doutid Arty was comigg t' de benebit, she said giggligg oh webuhll one less...cuz dey already estimatid obeh 550 peoble comigg if not more. Arty is so self absorbid and does not habe a clue Freeport is total lookigg out f' dose poor kids c'plete. It is not eben bou' me, uh uh uh, it is bou' two poor little kids in a car wreck dat was so heinous. My sisteh does not want t' hear bou' F'nits all day at a benebit anyways, duuhhhh, she want t' see heh nefews habe peace 'n smile. A smile dey ful desehbe, GEEEHEEHEEE.Webuhll I am off t' habe a cup of dgoe, uh uh uh, 'n eat breakfast...I suppose I will let Arty t' rep some driggle 'n get all emoshunal screwebuhd up today..I got stuff t' do in de real world. Bye all see you soon. Dgim call me, uh uh uh, Mark call me back, M call me back lmao, 'n Tobb return my calls blease you lazy troll. Lee me lone!I got some useful tidbits f' you today.

          Fixed that for ya!  :on phone:  :moon:  :soapbox:  ::deadhorse:: ::poke::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 17, 2010, 12:51:47 PM
          Art seriously calm the hell down...


          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P7r9Y0SSBQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P7r9Y0SSBQ)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 17, 2010, 12:54:05 PM
          Quote from: "Froderik"
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          Hey F'nits get ready 'n brace yourself..Arty callid my sissy, so probab has some sputid retard lies t' spew soon...lmao Padetic Fruitcake 'n Crazy Dgane ful habe been allowebuhd around hehe wid no leashes, duuhhhh, what's more priceless is the, uh uh uh, fack Crazy Dgane use t' modehate..now dat's a scarry dought. GEE danks.Hell next F'nits will allow Padetic Fruitcake t' finish off the, uh, the whole f'ums. Uhhh....Someone dgust slam up anodeh photo so he can dgust get it all obeh wid. Good God if I was runnigg the, ERRRR, show dehe is no way I wudd allow dis guy ten feet into my f'um, who's dgujemin call was dat t' inbite 'n lee dis moron hehe, duh...uh...?, duh...uh...? Anyone wid any common sense you not allow the, uhhh, debil around so callid decent peoble. I gentle use the, duh uhh, tehm so callid decent cuz real dehe is maybe two peoble on a whole in dese f'ums wid enough of the, uh, emoshunal stabiltiby left. Someone need t' explain when you guys are playigg wid de minal ill wid peoble like Fruitcake boy 'n Crazy Dgane genehal dehe will be a shit storm t' foll. I mean sehious anyone who answebuhrs deir phone giggligg wormhole from hell is genehal someone no one need t' be around. Any day now the, uh, the whacko is goigg t' go postal. Lee me lone!I mean sehious who wudd let heh around deir children, duh...uh...?, duh...uh...? I dout half of you wudd. GEE danks.Shit eben Fruity cakey boy said himself, uh uh uh uh uh, he cudd not beliebe duh, how far gone she is, duuhhhh, which is funby cuz he is takigg a close seconb rite up behind heh in line. What is eben so embarrassigg is the, uh uh uh, fack my poor sisteh cannot ful tell him off, uh uh uh uh uh, she has t' play nicey nicey cuz heh poor husband is workigg in a shop dat has t' do bidness wid his boss almost day. My poor brodeh in law whom is a kick ass guy 'n hard workigg f' his famly has t' tolehate dis dgackass spewigg like a retard bill constant. Can you imagine habigg some Fruitcake day spew like a tobbler bou' your sisteh in law. News flash he was firss one by our side affeh webuh all got hurt, uh, he lobes his famly ful and is behy behy loyal. I cudd hands down re on my brodeh in law f' anydigg he is dgust such a awebuhsome pehson, but dis retard has t' bash 'n try t' hurt him by briggigg him inbolbid stuff he does not habe a clue bou'. Some friend he has shown my famly he is. Bubie is ill behy ill, but yet ole Arty has t' upset heh constant. He need t' be ashamid of himself ful, not much of a man in any of our ahs but he is so delushunal he ackual beliebes my famly cares, duuhhhh, shit dey habe t' be nice t' him, GEEEHEEHEEE.My sisteh lobes me 'n my children so much, when dis accident happenid she was besides hehself, uh uh uh uh uh, 'n was torminid in seeigg me so hurt 'n the, errr, children. She stayid awake f' days bare ate, uh uh uh, 'n held me heh baby sisteh while I criid f' lossigg Tim, 'n my children so hurt. She took care of me heh Baby sisteh. No offense Art but I know my famly a bit betteh dan you do. When I minionid to Michelle, uh uh uh, I doutid Arty was comigg t' de benebit, she said giggligg oh webuhll one less...cuz dey already estimatid obeh 550 peoble comigg if not more. Arty is so self absorbid and does not habe a clue Freeport is total lookigg out f' dose poor kids c'plete. It is not eben bou' me, uh uh uh, it is bou' two poor little kids in a car wreck dat was so heinous. My sisteh does not want t' hear bou' F'nits all day at a benebit anyways, duuhhhh, she want t' see heh nefews habe peace 'n smile. A smile dey ful desehbe, GEEEHEEHEEE.Webuhll I am off t' habe a cup of dgoe, uh uh uh, 'n eat breakfast...I suppose I will let Arty t' rep some driggle 'n get all emoshunal screwebuhd up today..I got stuff t' do in de real world. Bye all see you soon. Dgim call me, uh uh uh, Mark call me back, M call me back lmao, 'n Tobb return my calls blease you lazy troll. Lee me lone!I got some useful tidbits f' you today.

          Fixed that for ya!  :on phone:  :moon:  :soapbox:  ::deadhorse:: ::poke::
          Awww poor baby has to come into something he is not involved in again...Drama seeker....I shall call you the seeker, the seeker of attention and to actually be apart of something.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 17, 2010, 12:54:28 PM
          Quote from: "Froderik"
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          Hey F'nits get ready 'n brace yourself..Arty callid my sissy, so probab has some sputid retard lies t' spew soon...lmao Padetic Fruitcake 'n Crazy Dgane ful habe been allowebuhd around hehe wid no leashes, duuhhhh, what's more priceless is the, uh uh uh, fack Crazy Dgane use t' modehate..now dat's a scarry dought. GEE danks.Hell next F'nits will allow Padetic Fruitcake t' finish off the, uh, the whole f'ums. Uhhh....Someone dgust slam up anodeh photo so he can dgust get it all obeh wid. Good God if I was runnigg the, ERRRR, show dehe is no way I wudd allow dis guy ten feet into my f'um, who's dgujemin call was dat t' inbite 'n lee dis moron hehe, duh...uh...?, duh...uh...? Anyone wid any common sense you not allow the, uhhh, debil around so callid decent peoble. I gentle use the, duh uhh, tehm so callid decent cuz real dehe is maybe two peoble on a whole in dese f'ums wid enough of the, uh, emoshunal stabiltiby left. Someone need t' explain when you guys are playigg wid de minal ill wid peoble like Fruitcake boy 'n Crazy Dgane genehal dehe will be a shit storm t' foll. I mean sehious anyone who answebuhrs deir phone giggligg wormhole from hell is genehal someone no one need t' be around. Any day now the, uh, the whacko is goigg t' go postal. Lee me lone!I mean sehious who wudd let heh around deir children, duh...uh...?, duh...uh...? I dout half of you wudd. GEE danks.Shit eben Fruity cakey boy said himself, uh uh uh uh uh, he cudd not beliebe duh, how far gone she is, duuhhhh, which is funby cuz he is takigg a close seconb rite up behind heh in line. What is eben so embarrassigg is the, uh uh uh, fack my poor sisteh cannot ful tell him off, uh uh uh uh uh, she has t' play nicey nicey cuz heh poor husband is workigg in a shop dat has t' do bidness wid his boss almost day. My poor brodeh in law whom is a kick ass guy 'n hard workigg f' his famly has t' tolehate dis dgackass spewigg like a retard bill constant. Can you imagine habigg some Fruitcake day spew like a tobbler bou' your sisteh in law. News flash he was firss one by our side affeh webuh all got hurt, uh, he lobes his famly ful and is behy behy loyal. I cudd hands down re on my brodeh in law f' anydigg he is dgust such a awebuhsome pehson, but dis retard has t' bash 'n try t' hurt him by briggigg him inbolbid stuff he does not habe a clue bou'. Some friend he has shown my famly he is. Bubie is ill behy ill, but yet ole Arty has t' upset heh constant. He need t' be ashamid of himself ful, not much of a man in any of our ahs but he is so delushunal he ackual beliebes my famly cares, duuhhhh, shit dey habe t' be nice t' him, GEEEHEEHEEE.My sisteh lobes me 'n my children so much, when dis accident happenid she was besides hehself, uh uh uh uh uh, 'n was torminid in seeigg me so hurt 'n the, errr, children. She stayid awake f' days bare ate, uh uh uh, 'n held me heh baby sisteh while I criid f' lossigg Tim, 'n my children so hurt. She took care of me heh Baby sisteh. No offense Art but I know my famly a bit betteh dan you do. When I minionid to Michelle, uh uh uh, I doutid Arty was comigg t' de benebit, she said giggligg oh webuhll one less...cuz dey already estimatid obeh 550 peoble comigg if not more. Arty is so self absorbid and does not habe a clue Freeport is total lookigg out f' dose poor kids c'plete. It is not eben bou' me, uh uh uh, it is bou' two poor little kids in a car wreck dat was so heinous. My sisteh does not want t' hear bou' F'nits all day at a benebit anyways, duuhhhh, she want t' see heh nefews habe peace 'n smile. A smile dey ful desehbe, GEEEHEEHEEE.Webuhll I am off t' habe a cup of dgoe, uh uh uh, 'n eat breakfast...I suppose I will let Arty t' rep some driggle 'n get all emoshunal screwebuhd up today..I got stuff t' do in de real world. Bye all see you soon. Dgim call me, uh uh uh, Mark call me back, M call me back lmao, 'n Tobb return my calls blease you lazy troll. Lee me lone!I got some useful tidbits f' you today.

          Fixed that for ya!  :on phone:  :moon:  :soapbox:  ::deadhorse:: ::poke::
          Awww poor baby has to come into something he is not involved in again...Drama seeker....I shall call you the seeker, the seeker of attention and to actually be apart of something.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Froderik on September 17, 2010, 01:00:24 PM
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          I shall call you the seeker, the seeker of attention and to actually be apart of something.

           ::)  ::)  ::)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 17, 2010, 01:01:19 PM
          Hey Froderik Arty has an itch on his ball sack why dont you help him out, since your such a needy little bitch boy. Help Arty out he will be your friend. Maybe I'll go get Whooter to come and pull your pants down some more on here. You are so ignorant you desire to wage a little battle with some highly intelligent people. Oh please come play with me I need the cheer up, Fruitcake is getting old and Lady Jane is a dumb cunt. I need a challenge, but honestly from what I see of you all over this place is a carbon copy of Arty, a tanturming little boy. You are frankily no challenge what so ever for me little boy blue.


          So now we got Pathetic Fruitcak
          Crazy Jane
          and
          Little Boy Blue....wonderful solid citizens....muhahahahahaha let the games roll Froderik, but first I must go attend to real life, unlike you whom is sitting probably in your mommy's basement playing combat arms all day, leeching off her money.  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 17, 2010, 01:02:47 PM
          Quote from: "Froderik"
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          I shall call you the seeker, the seeker of attention and to actually be apart of something.

           ::)  ::)  ::)
          Froderik do you need some attention??? I'll rub you behind the ears buddy anytime calm down..lmao
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 17, 2010, 01:06:13 PM
          Froderik i received your upsetting video..I promise we will leave Brittney Alone, calm down...My new founded Drama Queen Froderik....I actually have not giggled harder in days ......



          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Froderik on September 17, 2010, 01:06:55 PM
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          some highly intelligent people.

           ???
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 17, 2010, 01:08:20 PM
          Quote from: "Froderik"
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          some highly intelligent people.

           ???
          That did not fly did it...roflmao roflmao ok ok you got me this once but it shall not happen again
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 17, 2010, 01:10:58 PM
          Froderik are you trolling me....awwwwww I feel the love..thank you   :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :feedtrolls:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 17, 2010, 01:12:49 PM
          What is even so embarrassing is the fact my poor sister cannot fully tell him off, she has to play nicey nicey because her poor husband is working in a shop that has to do business with his boss almost daily. My poor brother in law whom is a kick ass guy and hard working for his family has to tolerate this jackass spewing like a retard bill constantly.
           
          I don t know WTF you are talking about Sharon.. am guessing neither does Jaimie
          You reallt are making an ass outa yourself.. Without any help from outsiders
          One lie after another to promote what  ?
          Noone ever "Mocked" your situation.. But I see how you would interpret that in whatever way your foul mood strikes ya
          Nothing we havent seen before
          What a bore you have turned into
          Frod .. You fucking kill me .. thanks
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 17, 2010, 01:18:00 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          What is even so embarrassing is the fact my poor sister cannot fully tell him off, she has to play nicey nicey because her poor husband is working in a shop that has to do business with his boss almost daily. My poor brother in law whom is a kick ass guy and hard working for his family has to tolerate this jackass spewing like a retard bill constantly.
           
          I don t know WTF you are talking about Sharon.. am guessing neither does Jaimie
          You reallt are making an ass outa yourself.. Without any help from outsiders
          One lie after another to promote what  ?
          Noone ever "Mocked" your situation.. But I see how you would interpret that in whatever way your foul mood strikes ya
          Nothing we havent seen before
          What a bore you have turned into
          Frod .. You fucking kill me .. thanks


          Delusional its ok Pathetic Fruitcake one day someone will be there to aid you in your madness fully. I left the jackass department all to you since you are such a pro at it. Ta ta I got things to do...Looks like you got a follower..go say hi to Little Boy Blue...he wishes to jump on board in this little thingy you got a hard on for.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Froderik on September 17, 2010, 01:42:04 PM
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          he wishes to jump on board in this little thingy you got a hard on for.

          No, I have no desire to get on board with it (got no background concerning the drama), it's just been fun trolling you!   :whip:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 17, 2010, 03:07:39 PM
          Gee Sharon
          A hard on... with you involved.. Would be impossible for a porn star
          This is not very attractive of you
          I have enjoyed you trolling her as well Frod
          Title: Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
          Post by: Joel on September 17, 2010, 07:59:11 PM
          Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 19, 2010, 07:27:49 AM
          Quote from: "Joel"
          I expected Mark and Sharon to write to page 118 at 24:00.  :soapbox:  They disappointed me and I was not satisfied with their performance. :soapbox:

          Score
          ART-----> 1  MARK/SHARON-----> 0
           ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::
          Too funny, well you see some of us have real lives to attend to over the weekend. I cannot be on here 24/7 to be holding everyones pee pee all weekend to see if they behave. Joel you always side with such low lives, says a lot about your character.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 19, 2010, 07:29:21 AM
          Quote from: "Froderik"
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          he wishes to jump on board in this little thingy you got a hard on for.

          No, I have no desire to get on board with it (got no background concerning the drama), it's just been fun trolling you!   :whip:
          yeah trolling is fun isnt it, glad I am here to amuse you fully. Have a great rest of the weekend come Monday I promise to amuse you more..Bye for now
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 19, 2010, 07:32:31 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Gee Sharon
          A hard on... with you involved.. Would be impossible for a porn star
          This is not very attractive of you
          I have enjoyed you trolling her as well Frod
          If memory serves me correct you do not got much even when you got a hard on to begin with. Why is it everything must be sexual for you? I feel sorry for you little man completely. Your delusions are so troublesome. Get a life.......if possible
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 19, 2010, 10:18:24 AM
          go say hi to Little Boy Blue...he wishes to jump on board in this little thingy you got a hard on for.

          If memory serves me correct you do not got much even when you got a hard on to begin with. Why is it everything must be sexual for you?  
           
          I was gonna ask you the same question Sharon
          Why do you want to talk about Genitals ?
          Marky has a thing for that too.. pretty sure his Homosexual rants about gay sex and sex toys are written based on his personal experience
          What does it say about someone spewing hate while their son is recovering from a horrific accident ?
          I dont get you at all Sharon. But regardless of your ignorance, I continue to pray for you and your children
          try to have a nice Sunday
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 21, 2010, 09:56:34 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          go say hi to Little Boy Blue...he wishes to jump on board in this little thingy you got a hard on for.

          If memory serves me correct you do not got much even when you got a hard on to begin with. Why is it everything must be sexual for you?  
           
          I was gonna ask you the same question Sharon
          Why do you want to talk about Genitals ?
          Marky has a thing for that too.. pretty sure his Homosexual rants about gay sex and sex toys are written based on his personal experience
          What does it say about someone spewing hate while their son is recovering from a horrific accident ?
          I dont get you at all Sharon. But regardless of your ignorance, I continue to pray for you and your children
          try to have a nice Sunday


          Hey Farty I guess Crazy Jane Shit on the wrong shoe's,

           FLAMERS RUN RAMPANT ON FORNITS LIKE COMMUNISTS
          by Eliscu2 » Today, 05:49

          THIS IS A TEST.
          THIS IS ONLY A TEST.
          IF THIS WERE A REAL INVASION OF MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS THERE WOULD BE A BLOODBATH.
          THIS IS ONLY A TEST.
          Violent actions of the bad people
          Silence and indifference of the good people
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          Re: FLAMERS RUN RAMPANT ON FORNITS LIKE COMMUNISTS
          by psy » Today, 06:20

          Eliscu2 wrote:
          THIS IS A TEST.
          THIS IS ONLY A TEST.
          IF THIS WERE A REAL INVASION OF MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS THERE WOULD BE A BLOODBATH.
          THIS IS ONLY A TEST.

          We respect your right to spew whatever you feel like on your own property or public property but not on our private property. If you choose to participate in a moderated discussion you agree to the rules. When you're warned about them, and you still continue, ignorance no longer remains any sort of excuse. I didn't necessarily want to ban you (i feel sorry for you), but i can't make an exception. If I did it would be unfair to everybody else. Goodbye.


          Goodbye Crazy Jane, :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker: ,Maybe you can straighten out" PSY " Farty I am sure if you bash him, like you bash me, he will see your point. :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: She Attacked The" Site Director and Owner " You and Crazy Jane have no limits.  
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 21, 2010, 03:41:13 PM
          I have no reason to bash Psy or anyone else
          I respond to your childish,vicious attack on me since the 30th of Dec.
          Its very well documented and when I am finished,you will be very sorry
          but it will be too late
          Have you had that conversation yet ? I promise you will shortly Marky
          You are a known liar and loser
          You couldnt be more caught
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 21, 2010, 06:46:43 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          I have no reason to bash Psy or anyone else
          I respond to your childish,vicious attack on me since the 30th of Dec.
          Its very well documented and when I am finished,you will be very sorry
          but it will be too late
          Have you had that conversation yet ? I promise you will shortly Marky
          You are a known liar and loser
          You couldnt be more caught


          For God's sake Farty if you can't come up with something intelligent to say, Shut The Fuck Up,More of your paper ass threats,?? Can't you see know one takes you seriously Farty, Or Crazy Jane,Why do you make all your paper ass threats,?? Your A Fucking Idiot Farty, :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 21, 2010, 08:12:34 PM
          Marky.. This is your mess.. Your reality
          You lied,you got caught
          You can put this on me,and lie all you like .. but at the end of the day
          You are guily of a number of crimes
          I intend to help the community with that problem
          Anyone who could even THINK (let alone write) of some of the things you post should be locked up in an assylum as well
          You have no honor,and certainly no class.. but thats a whole other thing
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 21, 2010, 09:29:24 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Marky.. This is your mess.. Your reality
          You lied,you got caught
          You can put this on me,and lie all you like .. but at the end of the day
          You are guily of a number of crimes
          I intend to help the community with that problem
          Anyone who could even THINK (let alone write) of some of the things you post should be locked up in an assylum as well
          You have no honor,and certainly no class.. but thats a whole other thing



          Why are you so hateful, and mad Farty,?? Looose Again


           :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 22, 2010, 07:06:00 AM
          Why are you so hateful, and mad Farty,?? Looose Again


           Umm Marky
          I think the word you cannot spell is Lose. I have lost nothing little man. Its you that has lost,and you cant even see it
          yet
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 24, 2010, 09:58:36 AM
          In the UK, there's even a magazine, The Chap, dedicating to promoting "a dandified way of life". Extolling the joys of tweed, pipe-smoking, brogues and finely-pressed trousers, the publication holds up celebrities such as Stephen Fry and Joanna Lumley as examples of old-school elan.




          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=n ... KvJleAUFDQ (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=news&cd=1&ved=0CCgQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.ie%2Fentertainment%2Fmusic%2Fwhy-even-your-granny-can-sing-along-with-michael-2351218.html&ei=dK2cTKPSAsOfngeR4eirDQ&usg=AFQjCNEx-N9oJCDlye-ZWHsrKvJleAUFDQ)



          Friday September 24 2010
          Under the swooping sci-fi buttresses of the Aviva Stadium, Ireland's largest ever swingers' club gets under way tonight. Some 45,000 fans will pack the venue to hear crooner Michael Bublé dapperly wend his way through such pre-rock and roll standards as 'Me and Mrs Jones', 'Mack The Knife' and 'How Sweet It Is' (as well as a bow-tie wearing version of, 'er, Justin Timberlake's 'I'm Lovin' It').

          He's back for second helpings the following evening, when thousands more will cram the Aviva for the repeat performance. At a time when the biggest new rock bands on the planet -- Oxegen headliners Arcade Fire and Muse, for instance -- could walk down Grafton Street unrecognised, Bublé, a skinny young Canadian with too much gel in his hair, is a proper arena superstar.

          Bublé is also single- handedly reversing the trend of declining record sales -- in the face of luke-warm reviews, Bublé's latest album Crazy Love has shifted six million copies. This at a time when Radiohead are reduced to giving their music away for free and sales of U2's most recent opus, No Line On The Horizon, barely scraped past the one million mark. In a retail smack-down Bublé is, in other words, six times as popular as Bono and chums.

          What's going on here? Without question Bublé's smoky cocktail-hour warblings are tapping into a wider shift in the culture. Is it any coincidence his ascension to international stardom coincides with the popularity of shows such as Mad Men, in which vintage chic is as much part of the attraction as plot? Or that the squeaky-clean Glee is charming TV viewers across the globe with its pre-rock and roll imaginings of the modern pop songbook?

          In the UK, there's even a magazine, The Chap, dedicating to promoting "a dandified way of life". Extolling the joys of tweed, pipe-smoking, brogues and finely-pressed trousers, the publication holds up celebrities such as Stephen Fry and Joanna Lumley as examples of old-school elan.

          For his part, Bublé claims nostalgia doesn't come into it. He grew up loving Frank Sinatra and Ella Fitzgerald not because they reminded him of some idealised past but because, to a shy kid, their swagger and (non-ironic) charm felt fresh and exciting.

          "I was always taken by this style," he said in an interview "Listening to Mel Tormé or Ella Fitzgerald or Frank Sinatra as a kid was so great because they had this dulcet tonal quality that I hadn't heard in modern singers."

          If there's a secret to his success it is probably that he never worried about fitting in. "When I was 12 (Bublé's grandfather) played me Vic Damone's version of 'It Had to Be You' and I told him that it was great, so he started making me tapes from his old records. For the first time I was hearing Al Martino and the Mills Brothers, and I would be learning 10 of these songs a day by heart because I loved them so much. See, I always had a bad attitude towards conforming and I never wanted to be trendy, so I couldn't give a shit about what everyone at school was into."

          You don't need to visit the Aviva to catch wind of this vogue, of course. Soon it's going to be everywhere. "Woman wise, certainly evening dresses . . . the Mad Men look is what's really happening this season," says Chris Lynch of Epoch vintage fashion in Dublin.

          Those who are old enough to remember the '50s and '60s first-hand are in little doubt as to why the public is embracing Bublé and all he represents.

          After 50 years of noise and anarchy, people are rediscovering the joys of good manners, well made cocktails and a decent side-parting.

          'Rock and roll was a terrible thing to happen to music," crooner Tony Bennett told me over the summer. "Before that, you had magnificent musicians like Benny Goodman and great singers like Peggy Lee and Billie Holiday. It was based on real educated musicians.

          "I sell more records than anyone else on my label, Columbia. Because the whole family is buying them. The corporations had this thing with demographics. They made all the records for the young. Which I thought was a mistake. When I started as a young performer, you played to the whole family."

          Aspiring Don Drapers should take note, however. In the fashion realm, at least, this trend is, for now, a ladies-only affair. Short of cheating on your stay at home wife or enjoying a five-Martini lunch, the closest most Irish guys are likely to get to a swinging Rat Pack existence is singing along to Michael Bublé tonight.

          "For the men it's very hard because in the pre-rock era everybody basically wore suits," says Chris Lynch. "Even going out at night, I don't think men are really into that nowadays." Michael Buble plays the Aviva, Dublin, tonight and tomorrow
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 24, 2010, 08:29:59 PM
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvyTY_oY ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvyTY_oYR_c&feature=related)
           :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :jamin:
          Title: Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
          Post by: Joel on September 24, 2010, 08:43:11 PM
          Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 24, 2010, 08:51:15 PM
          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... g-jBxybnAA (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=9&ved=0CDsQFjAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.heal-online.org%2Felan2.htm&ei=7kWdTJn8OM__nAfUtpWQDQ&usg=AFQjCNHWdvGcs6HUfC9Z0k-kg-jBxybnAA)




          This is a  staff list for Elan School in Poland, ME


          (we are working to acquire the complete records for ALL years)
           
          We advise current and/or former staff to report any abuses you may have witnessed while working at Elan School.  For information on your rights and how to take action, visit http://www.heal-online.org/blowthewhistle.htm (http://www.heal-online.org/blowthewhistle.htm).  If you were fired or forced to resign because you opposed any illegal and/or unethical practices at Elan School, you have the right to take action.
           
          If you were harmed (family or survivor) by Elan School, please contact [email protected] if you remember the long-term employees and from which years.  This will help!   Also, if you recognize any of these staff as having worked at another program, please send in any information about their past or present employment at other facilities and/or cults.
           
           
          Please don’t place your loved one in Elan School and rescue them if they are there now.
           
          Name
          Unit/Position
          Additional Information
          Martin L. Kruglik    Senior Program Director    Kruglik has been with Elan since 1972.
          Clare Woodman    Senior Program Director    Woodman has been with Elan since 1984.
          Jeffrey Gottlieb    Staff    Has "worked" for Elan since he graduated the program in 1972.  (CULT)
          Joseph Ricci    Founder of Elan Cult     
          Gerald E. Davidson    Co-Founder of Elan Cult     
          Peter Rowe    Staff    Graduate of Assumption College--Catholic College founded by the Augustinian Sect.  St. Augustine was big on torture and used/supported/endorsed torture to "convert" thousands of "heretics".
          Melissa Esty    Residential Director    Esty has been with Elan since 1991.
          Kathleen Sherberne    Residential Director    Sherberne has been with Elan since 1993.
          Adam Asselin    Staff    Asselin has been with Elan since 2005.
          Deanna Raihl    Staff    Has "worked" for Elan since he graduated the program in 1998. (CULT)
          Nick Pitarys    Staff/Case Management    Pitarys has been with Elan since 2009.
          Peter McCann    Director (former)    Reported by survivor who attended program in 1976.
          Ken Zaretsky    Assistant Director (former)    Reported by survivor who attended program in 1976.
          Danny Bennison    Assistant Director (timeframe ?)    Reported by survivor who attended program in 1976.  Bennison reportedly claims to have held the title of Assistant Director on the online message board known as fornits.
          Mark Rosenburg    Staff (1996-1999)    Reportedly an Elan "graduate" who became a top staffer for the program.
          NO OTHER NAMES    NO OTHER TITLES    Please contact us with information on staff and their histories.*
                    Elan School is "proudly" affiliated with NATSAP.
          (Elan School, like many other programs in this industry, keeps a "tight lid" on any specific information regarding their staff, qualifications, and practices.  Please contact us with the names of any staff of which you have firsthand knowledge or experience.  Thank you for your help.)

          Survivor Declaration--Sharon Wittwer (1984-1986)

          Survivor Website--http://theelanschool.tumblr.com/

          Survivor Declaration--Nick Schwamb (2007-2009)

          Survivor Declaration--Jessica Charnov (2004-2007)
           
          Excerpt from: "Duck in a Raincoat" by Maura Curley:
           
          Chapter Five

           
          In Their Own Words...
           
          "Despite requests to Joe Ricci and his lawyers for Elan success stories to be included in this book, none were furnished...
           

          Former residents and staff members consequently were tracked down through newspaper advertisements and by word of mouth.  Conversations with nearly two dozen people who were at Elan at different intervals between the years 1971-1988 reveal striking similarities, though these people come from five different states, and varied economic and social circumstance. In most cases they have not talked to each other since leaving the program. All contacted were willing to discuss their experiences, though some did not want their names used for fear of reprisal.
           
          Stephen Smith now 29 was 15 years old when he was sent to Elan by a social worker in Connecticut. He had been a ward of that state since the age of six  when his father signed over custody of Stephen and his sisters  after their mother had been sent to prison for robbery.
           
          At fifteen he was sensitive and withdrawn,  read books all the time, and hated school because the other kids seemed childish, and had  perfect families. He explains that the circumstance that led to his going to Elan involved an altercation with a neighbor whom he "shot in the butt" with a bb. gun after the neighbor kicked his dog.  Stephen says his social worker gave him the choice of either going to jail or Elan. "I chose Elan  because she told me it was like a summer camp in the Maine woods, " he recalled with irony from the warden's office of Maine State Prison where he was  serving a ten year term for burglary.

           
          Stephen is  boyish looking, small boned with honey blond hair pulled back in a  ponytail. His eyes portray a sadness, which his  story supports. The images from his teen years are still alive for him, enough for his voice to crack when he talks about being raped by another  Elan resident when he and three other boys and two girls  were left in a semi isolation room for a period of more than  a week. He is articulate and  candid about his life before, during and since his years at Poland Spring and  Parsonfield. "I don't care how personal you get," he says. "The most important thing is that the truth comes out about Ricci. He has no business screwing up kids, and making a fortune doing it. The state takes kids from messed up families, but they put them in places worse. If I was not messed up before I got to Elan, I certainly was afterwards..."  

           
          He says: "When I first got there, I couldn't believe it. Everybody was  screaming and beating on each other.  I had to sit in these groups, and I didn't want to  talk to anybody. I feel that I was misdiagnosed. For one thing I didn't have a drug problem. Most of the kids that were in there were I guess  there for drugs because  I'd be sitting in the groups and they'd want me to talk about what drugs I was doing', what I was hooked on. And I said, 'listen I don't have any of that,' and they'd all say 'Oh yeah? sure !' as If I was denying it. Then they'd ask me if I hated my mother. They'd take out my file and read in front of everyone in the group, things about my mother and  her criminal record.  I didn't dig that, so I just didn't say anything. And then when I shut up,  they accused me of intimidating the group, said I was doing some violent act against the group members for not opening up. I was making people hostile at me. So everyone once in a while they'd set up a general meeting, and then throw me in the boxing ring until I lost. So I just used to try to run away all the time. Its the only thing I ever did; try to run away every chance I got. I tried about seven times, but they always caught me because they had this posse that would go out. If they caught someone they'd be rewarded by Ricci..."

           
          "The first time I met Joe Ricci..." he continues, his voice getting softer, and more serious, "...was at a general meeting that was called by a guy named Jeff Gottlieb. I had tried to run away again, and Joe Ricci came in.  I'll never forget it, because he made me feel really worthless, you know  like I was an absolute nothing. He came in and I was called up along with a girl named Nancy, and another girl named Marie,  two guys named Ray, and  Johnny, and another kid named Sean.  So when  Joe Ricci came in to the house we were all sitting down around a table, and he announced:  'We have some cancer in this house,  and  any good surgeon knows the best way to get rid of cancer is to cut it out, before it spreads.' Then he called all of us up in front of the house, and asked everybody else if they had any feelings for us, so we all got screamed at. Then they put us in the boxing ring you know. Then at the end of the meeting Joe Ricci says ' Now  we're gonna put you upstairs in one of the rooms. It was a room about the size of this. (6x10) and they boarded up the windows, and boarded up the door and locked it. And he said 'Whatever goes on in there goes on.'  It was in July...I know it was in July, because it was my 16th birthday the next day... It was horrible. Six of us all  stuck in there together. The guys- Ray and Johnny would take turns beating each other. Ray would pound his head until he got tired. And they'd take turns having sex with the two girls. One of them didn't care, but the other girl  didn't want to, but they made her. Sean and Ray would keep her food, and that's how they got to her. The day I turned 16 I was sitting in the corner and I mentioned that it was my birthday, and Sean picked me up and said 'Oh it's you're birthday, I have something to give you...' He started to hit me in the face and stuff, and then, well he raped me in there," he  says, his voice trembling.

           
          "After Sean did that stuff with me, he made me do it with the others..." Stephen continued, taking a breath and observing: "Between that time, and one other time  I think it had a lot to do with me not having  normal relationships with  girls. It's really screwed me up, and during the past years I've gone from blaming my mother, or my social worker Mrs. Daley, for what happened to me at Elan. But I realize  it was really Joe Ricci's fault.  He didn't care what happened  to us in the room, or anywhere else. He was just in it for the money, and he didn't care about kids. He was running a business  and that's all it was."

          Other punishments Stephen detailed included  cleaning toilets with bare hands, wearing signs, and doing meaningless chores just  to be taught a lesson: "I'd have to  push this wheelbarrow down to the lake in the summer, about a mile while wearing a winter coat," he says.  " And I'd have to get rocks out of the water, and fill up the wheelbarrow, and bring it back up again, then empty them out, and then fill the wheelbarrow up , and go back down to the water.  Other times I'd dig ditches and fill them up again. The whole time they'd be one or two people watching, and hollering  to hurry up. It was totally meaningless...and this was all just because I wouldn't talk in groups, or I'd try to run away...Sometimes I'd get a cowboy ass kick too,"  he recalled.  "One time Joe Ricci was there and he said he was sick of my shit, trying to run away and stuff. I tried to talk to some people who came up from Chicago to do some kind of investigation, and I think that's what he was all pissed off at. I never talked to them though.  Anyhow I got a cowboy ass kick then. That was when they took you and  threw you from room to room bouncing you up against the walls. All the residents would  drag you around digging you with their  hands,  punching you , and spitting  in your face. It was a lot worse than the ring.  It was really vicious."
           
          Stephen  doesn't hesitate to compare Elan with the maximum security prison where he was incarcerated.  "Elan's much much worse...Here there's a lot of shit. But I get a chance for some solitude, to read, and I'm going to college. I 've also gotten to learn woodworking, and make some money in the prison store. At Elan, there was nothing positive, it was pure hell,"  he concluded. "You know the worst thing is the judge that sentenced me here (for 10 years ) lectured to  me saying I blew the opportunity I had at Elan...I don't understand how the courts  can legitimize a guy like Ricci who has harmed so many mixed up kids."

           
           Last Updated: September 23rd, 2010
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 24, 2010, 09:04:46 PM
          Quote from: "Joel"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Marky.. This is your mess.. Your reality
          You lied,you got caught
          You can put this on me,and lie all you like .. but at the end of the day
          You are guily of a number of crimes
          I intend to help the community with that problem
          Anyone who could even THINK (let alone write) of some of the things you post should be locked up in an assylum as well
          You have no honor,and certainly no class.. but thats a whole other thing

          "Joel " You should know I am not the guy to start your parade of bull-shit with, nor do want to start baiting Art,You could turn up with a good old Elan Style Cow-Boys Ass Kicking by two pro's, Not physical of-course, nor is any type of threat, But you have way too much to talk about with out involving the two of us in your web life here, trust me!!, Have a great night, :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 24, 2010, 09:10:20 PM
          Mark I have got to tell you how thankful I am you were able to spend the day with me and Mason in Chicago. Thank you so much for bringing the cornbeef and rye bread...We had such a nice time watching Mason with his therapist at the park, and how about that weather..Just lovely.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 24, 2010, 09:20:10 PM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Marky.. This is your mess.. Your reality
          You lied,you got caught
          You can put this on me,and lie all you like .. but at the end of the day
          You are guily of a number of crimes
          I intend to help the community with that problem
          Anyone who could even THINK (let alone write) of some of the things you post should be locked up in an assylum as well
          You have no honor,and certainly no class.. but thats a whole other thing



          Why are you so hateful, and mad Farty,?? Looose Again


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          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 24, 2010, 09:21:32 PM
          You seriously need to let me drive your car too...lol
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 24, 2010, 09:32:23 PM
          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... R8BkCYUV5A (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=198&ved=0CCwQFjAHOL4B&url=http%3A%2F%2Fvaluethewebsite.com%2Fwww.elanschool.com&ei=aE6dTO7GL9CgnQej6_S7DQ&usg=AFQjCNFxiSGdw2FUJtKj4LzmR8BkCYUV5A)


          The Value of Elans Web Site,???
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 24, 2010, 09:36:08 PM
          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... 7fPMmoenqw (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=171&ved=0CBgQFjAAOKoB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fentertainment.webshots.com%2Falbum%2F408069173nbldDQ&ei=gk-dTJqSN8qdnAec6vjCDQ&usg=AFQjCNHHv5ZVNVXu8tKwPB5N7fPMmoenqw)


          Looks like Elan had bands,??
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 24, 2010, 09:40:09 PM
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          Boycott The Elan School, :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 25, 2010, 07:47:08 AM
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          Mark I have got to tell you how thankful I am you were able to spend the day with me and Mason in Chicago. Thank you so much for bringing the cornbeef and rye bread...We had such a nice time watching Mason with his therapist at the park, and how about that weather..Just lovely.


          I had a great time seeing you and Mason too, His therapist was good therapy for me too, she was Hot, LOL, But in all seriousness, I am glad to see Mason smiling and coming along so well and rapidly,I just know things will come back together for you,and the Boy's. Again I had a great time Sharon and will see you next week. :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :peace:


          P.S. You can drive my car anytime you want. :peace:  :peace:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 25, 2010, 09:10:58 AM
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          Elan 3
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 26, 2010, 09:05:38 PM
          Peter J. McCann

          SHERMAN OAKS, Calif. - Peter Joseph McCann, 56, died of complications from diabetic neuropathy at his home on Sunday, Nov. 20, 2005.

          Peter was born in Roxbury, Mass., to Walter Vincent and Helen (Bradford Kenyon), the fifth of nine children.

          He married Patricia Metivier, of Kittery, Maine, in April 1974 and resided for several years in Naples and Falmouth, Maine.

          Peter worked for many years as a therapist with troubled youth and coached the football team at the Elan School in Poland Spring, Maine. The McCanns later moved to Portsmouth, N.H., where Peter often said that he felt the most at home, and where the family lived for 10 years. Peter retired early due to illness, and Patricia’s career moved the couple to Texas in 1999, then California in 2003.

          In addition to his wife and mother, Peter is survived by his three daughters, Kelly of Houston, Jessica of Chapel Hill, N.C., and Valerie of Los Angeles; four brothers, William of Duxbury, Mass., John of Plymouth, Mass., James of Casco, Maine, and David of Brockton, Mass.; a sister, Sheila of Boston. He was predeceased by his father, sister Betsy and brothers Richard and Walter. He is also survived by the Metiviers of South Berwick, Maine, and his best friend Jeffrey Gottlieb of Windham, Maine.

          WE REMEMBER: He enjoyed traveling with his family and friends, especially to Hawaii. Peter was a history buff, always had a good joke ready, and loved his loyal dog, Brutus.

          SERVICES: Visiting hours will be from 6-8 p.m. on Monday at the J. Verne Wood Funeral Home - Buckminster Chapel, 84 Broad St., Portsmouth. A Mass of Christian Burial will be celebrated at 10 a.m., Tuesday at St. James Church. Lafayette Road, Portsmouth. In lieu of flowers, donations in Peter’s memory can be made to: Guide Dogs of America, 13445 Glenoaks Blvd., Sylmar, Calif. 91342.



          Peter Mc Cann Rest In Hell
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          Post by: DannyB II on September 26, 2010, 11:19:04 PM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Peter J. McCann

          SHERMAN OAKS, Calif. - Peter Joseph McCann, 56, died of complications from diabetic neuropathy at his home on Sunday, Nov. 20, 2005.

          Peter was born in Roxbury, Mass., to Walter Vincent and Helen (Bradford Kenyon), the fifth of nine children.

          He married Patricia Metivier, of Kittery, Maine, in April 1974 and resided for several years in Naples and Falmouth, Maine.

          Peter worked for many years as a therapist with troubled youth and coached the football team at the Elan School in Poland Spring, Maine. The McCanns later moved to Portsmouth, N.H., where Peter often said that he felt the most at home, and where the family lived for 10 years. Peter retired early due to illness, and Patricia’s career moved the couple to Texas in 1999, then California in 2003.

          In addition to his wife and mother, Peter is survived by his three daughters, Kelly of Houston, Jessica of Chapel Hill, N.C., and Valerie of Los Angeles; four brothers, William of Duxbury, Mass., John of Plymouth, Mass., James of Casco, Maine, and David of Brockton, Mass.; a sister, Sheila of Boston. He was predeceased by his father, sister Betsy and brothers Richard and Walter. He is also survived by the Metiviers of South Berwick, Maine, and his best friend Jeffrey Gottlieb of Windham, Maine.

          WE REMEMBER: He enjoyed traveling with his family and friends, especially to Hawaii. Peter was a history buff, always had a good joke ready, and loved his loyal dog, Brutus.

          SERVICES: Visiting hours will be from 6-8 p.m. on Monday at the J. Verne Wood Funeral Home - Buckminster Chapel, 84 Broad St., Portsmouth. A Mass of Christian Burial will be celebrated at 10 a.m., Tuesday at St. James Church. Lafayette Road, Portsmouth. In lieu of flowers, donations in Peter’s memory can be made to: Guide Dogs of America, 13445 Glenoaks Blvd., Sylmar, Calif. 91342.



          Peter Mc Cann Rest In Hell

          Mark, he left when others stayed. I worked with his brother James, stayed in touch with James for a while. James was very instrumental in talking Peter into quitting. Yes Peter was out of control professionally and personally while working at Elan. I will say this though in his defense he realized what he was doing and had done at Elan was wrong and moved on. He began to be a better father and husband after he left.
          Just saying. I am not trying to minimize your experiences with Peter, mine were not that great either while at Elan.
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          Post by: mark babitz on September 28, 2010, 07:29:40 PM
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          ROCKVILLE — Michael Skakel has filed a new appeal seeking to have his murder conviction for the 1975 killing of Martha Moxley overturned and a new trial ordered.

          The new appeal, known as a petition for habeas corpus, was filed Monday afternoon at Superior Court in Rockville. In it, Hartford attorney Hope C. Seeley argues that Skakel's trial lawyer, Mickey Sherman, was incompetent and failed to effectively represent Skakel's interests at trial.

          Among other things, Seeley argues that Sherman failed to present evidence impeaching the credibility of the state's star witness against Skakel, Gregory Coleman.

          Sherman should have found witnesses, Seeley argues, who could have rebutted Coleman's testimony that Skakel confessed to him that he had killed Moxley, a neighbor in Greenwich. Three men who attended the Elan School in Maine with Coleman and Skakel, found subsequently by Skakel's new defense team, would have testified that Coleman was a known liar.

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          Seeley also argues in the petition that Sherman did a poor job during jury selection, failed to adequately investigate witnesses for effective cross-examination, tried the case poorly and gave a bad closing argument. She also charges that he failed to provide evidence about others who could have committed the crime.

          Seeley also argues that Sherman also had a conflict of interest in his fee arrangement with Skakel. Rather than bill separately for expert witnesses and costs associated with investigating witnesses and preparing a defense, those costs were included in Sherman's fee.

          During the trial, Seeley writes in the petition, Sherman failed to pay significant income taxes and had significant financial problems. Sherman's "interest in maximizing the amount of money that he could keep from the total trial fee was inconsistent with the interests of [Skakel] and adversely affected [Sherman's] performance at trial."

          Sherman, 63, of Greenwich, pleaded guilty in June at U.S. District Court in Bridgeport to willfully failing to pay federal income taxes for 2001 and 2002. Sherman is scheduled to be sentenced Nov. 5. Skakel's trial was in 2002.

          Sherman could not immediately be reached for comment Tuesday.

          In April, the state Supreme Court rejected an appeal brought by Seeley and Hubert J. Santos on behalf of Skakel seeking a new trial.

          The court based its decision on settled state law that sets a rigorous evidentiary standard for the granting of new trials. In general, state law requires those seeking a new trial to demonstrate that the new evidence was not available at the original trial and that, had it been, the evidence probably would have persuaded a jury to reach a different verdict.

          In the April ruling, the high court agreed with a Superior Court judge's finding that evidence Santos and Seeley have tried to present to win a new trial was available to Sherman at the time of the original trial. The high court said that Sherman, in some cases, failed to vigorously pursue the evidence.

          Skakel is a member of the Kennedy family by marriage
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          Post by: mark babitz on September 29, 2010, 08:46:22 AM
          Skakel: Attorney was incompetent

          NEW HAVEN, Conn. - Kennedy cousin Michael Skakel filed another appeal of his 2002 murder conviction late Monday, this time arguing his high-profile trial attorney was incompetent.

          Skakel, a nephew of Robert F. Kennedy's widow, Ethel Kennedy, said in the appeal filed in Rockville Superior Court that Michael Sherman had financial problems and did not devote enough money to prepare the case.

          Skakel, who is seeking a new trial, said Sherman also did a poor job in closing arguments and with jury selection. He says Sherman failed to obtain evidence from prosecutors pointing to other suspects.

          "I did everything I could to keep Michael Skakel from being convicted and if any court finds something more could be done I welcome it because I didn't think then nor do I think now he is guilty of any crime," Sherman said
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          Post by: mark babitz on September 29, 2010, 08:48:58 AM
          :cheers:
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          Post by: mark babitz on September 29, 2010, 08:49:56 AM
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          Monday, September 13, 2010

           

           


           

          Proloy K. Das
          Justices Rule On Post-Conviction DNA Testing

          Fourth Amendment, Miranda cases also receive scrutiny

          By PROLOY K. DAS

          The Supreme Court issued more than 50 decisions in criminal law over the past 12 months. Here are some of the highlights.

          Four years ago, I authored the first of my annual Supreme Court criminal law reviews for this publication by leading with 2006’s decision of the year — State v. Skakel, 276 Conn. 633 (2006). So, for sentimental value, I will lead the 2010 edition with Skakel v. State, 295 Conn. 447, Kennedy cousin Michael Skakel’s appeal from the trial court’s denial of his petition for a new trial. General Statutes § 52-270 allows a convicted defendant to petition the trial court for a new trial based on newly discovered evidence. Skakel filed a petition claiming that Gitano Bryant (cousin of basketball star Kobe Bryant), could provide testimony implicating two other men for the 1975 murder of Martha Moxley in Greenwich. The Court, with Justice Richard Palmer dissenting, determined that Bryant’s statements were not so clearly credible as to require the granting of a new trial.

          Another post-conviction petition is one for DNA testing, which is authorized by General Statutes § 54-102kk. In State v. Dupigney, 295 Conn. 50, and State v. Marra, 295 Conn. 74, two decisions released on the same day, the Court addressed the standards to be applied for these petitions. The Court concluded that the petitioner must demonstrate that there is a “reasonable probability” that the testing will produce DNA results that would have altered the verdict. It defined “reasonable probability,” by looking to Brady v. Maryland, 373 U.S. 83 (1963), as a “probability sufficient to undermine confidence in the outcome.”

          Neither Dupigney nor Marra could satisfy this standard in attempting to get human remains and a ski cap, respectively, subjected to DNA testing.

          In terms of statutory interpretation, the most interesting case was State v. Courchesne, 296 Conn. 622, where the Court applied the common-law “born alive rule” to conclude that an infant, who was born alive and subsequently died of injuries that had been sustained in utero, was a person for purposes of the murder statute. Courchesne stands out as the year’s most interesting read as the majority opinion and separate concurring and dissenting opinions scholarly explore the “born alive rule.” In another statutory interpretation case, the Court held in State v. Grant, 294 Conn. 161, that a BB gun is a firearm for purposes of the sentence enhancer. State v. Rodriguez-Roman, 297 Conn. 66, features a racketeering prosecution, where the Court held that a defendant’s uncharted association with a co-conspirator constituted an “enterprise.”

          State v. Fernando A., 294 Conn. 1, addressed previously undefined domestic violence proceedings. In 2006, the Appellate Court in an unpublished decision in State v. Duell, A.C. 26926, granted the state’s motion to dismiss an appeal from the denial of an evidentiary hearing to dissolve a family violence protective order. The state argued that because the issuance of a protective order as a result of a pending criminal case is not a final judgment, defendants in these cases could not obtain appellate review regarding the protective order as long as the criminal case was not resolved (even where, as in Duell, the victim spouse wanted the order dissolved). This led to some instances where the underlying criminal case would not be resolved by the state, in an effort to keep the protective order in place.

          The legislature responded by creating a statutory right to a hearing, but failed to define the hearing. Fernando A. brought a public interest appeal to obtain appellate review of the denial of an evidentiary hearing. The Court held that the defendant is, in fact, entitled to hearing on the continued need for a protective order. However, he is not entitled to a hearing before the initial protective order is issued. Significantly, the Court also explained that a criminal defendant cannot force the victim to testify, though he may question the victim if the victim voluntarily testifies.

          Hanging Object

          There were a number of Fourth Amendment decisions this year, with the Court’s 4-3 decision in State v. Cyrus, 297 Conn. 829 leading the pack. Cyrus affirmed the trial court’s dismissal of a DUI conviction, where the initial stop was made based on General Statutes § 14-199f(c), the distracted driver statute. A divided Court concluded that the mere hanging of an object from the rearview mirror did not give rise to a reasonable and articulable suspicion that the driver was, in fact, distracted by the object.

          State v. Clark, 297 Conn. 1, concluded that information about a crime from a confidential informant, in the absence of any basis for the informant’s knowledge, still provides officers with a reasonable suspicion to stop a vehicle. State v. Boyd, 295 Conn. 707 recognized that a person has a privacy right to the contents of his cell phone, including his subscriber number. State v. Fausel, 295 Conn. 785, explained that there need not be an actual emergency for the emergency exception to the warrant requirement to apply. So long as the police objectively believe an emergency situation exists, they may enter a residence without a warrant. The record was inadequate to review the defendant’s claim in State v. Gardner, 297 Conn. 58, that delivery of his personal effects by Hartford Hospital personnel to police constituted a warrantless search because there was no evidence in the record as to whether the hospital personnel were acting as agents of the police at the time.

          There were a few Fifth Amendment cases, including two which applied Miranda v. Arizona, 384 U.S. 436 (1966). In State v. Mitchell, 296 Conn. 449, the Court did not disturb the Appellate Court’s conclusion that police officer who asked a suspect, “What is going on?” and “Why were you stopped?” was not merely trying to assess the situation but was attempting to confirm that he had the right suspects and, therefore, triggered the need for Miranda warnings. The Court affirmed the assault conviction on harmless error grounds.

          In State v. Canady, 297 Conn. 322, an officer’s general question, “Are you OK?,” did not amount to interrogation implicating Miranda. In Canady, the Court also concluded that protections offered under General Statutes § 46b-137(a) which renders certain statements made by a child to police inadmissible in a delinquency hearing do not apply when a juvenile is tried as an adult in criminal court.

          State v. Moore, 293 Conn. 781, presented an interesting situation where a prosecution witness invoked the Fifth Amendment near the end of re-direct, thereby precluding an opportunity for re-cross. The Court, over a dissent, concluded that the defendant’s confrontation rights were not violated because the defendant had been afforded an opportunity to cross-examine the witness prior to redirect.

          Scope Of Defenses

          The Court also addressed the scope of several important defenses. In State v. Terwilliger, 294 Conn. 399, the Appellate Court’s reversal of a manslaughter conviction was affirmed where the Court concluded that the jury should have been instructed that the state bore the burden of disproving the defendant’s defense of premises theory beyond a reasonable doubt.

          In State v. Erickson, 297 Conn. 164, the defendant’s self-defense and defense of premisis defenses to the charge of assault of an elderly person had no merit. The defendant had pushed a marshal, who was serving a subpoena on him, in the back after the marshal was voluntarily leaving the premisis. The Court also held that denial of the defendant’s request that the personnel file of the marshal be produced or reviewed in camera did not violate the right to confrontation. In State v. Nathan J., 294 Conn. 243, the defense of parental justification was applied to the charge of risk of injury to a child.

          This past year, the Court provided significant guidance to the criminal bar on the standards for proceedings on petitions for new trials and petitions for DNA testing, and the scope of evidentiary hearings for protective orders in domestic violence cases. These proceedings will likely continue to be refined to incorporate constitutional and statutory rights as they grow in frequency and are subject to further appellate review. •

          Proloy K. Das is a partner at Rome McGuigan, P.C., and chair of the firm’s Criminal Appellate Practice Group. He previously served as a prosecutor in the Appellate Bureau of the Office of the Chief State’s Attorney. He may be reached at [email protected].
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          Michael Skakel VS Michael Kennedy

          The Babysitter Scandal



           

          In the early 90's Michael Skakel graduated from Curry College in Massachusetts. Unable to secure a job, his cousin Michael Kennedy offered him a job at his company, Citizens Energy Corp. In his book proposal for "Dead Man Talking", Skakel claims that he and Kennedy became very close during this time. It had been reported that Mike Skakel was Kennedy's trusted chauffeur, but Skakel refutes this, saying he worked his way up to Director of International Programs. Whatever his true position ended up to be, the fact remains that   Skakel was unable to find employment, and Kennedy provided him with a job.

          The families became close and spent much of their free time traveling and hanging out together. Skakel claims on one occaision he and his wife Margot noticed an inappropriate contact between Michael Kennedy and his families underage babysitter. According to Skakel, Kennedy and the young girl were very demonstrative in their affection and it was clearly visible to anyone wishing to take notice. In another incident Skakel relates that he joined Michael Kennedy and his children on a camping trip where Kennedy and the babysitter took off for a period of time. They returned and teased each other about where they had been in front of the Kennedy's own children, Michael JR, son from his wife, Victoria Gifford Kennedy, was not amused.

          Skakel became the source for an article the Boston Globe ran revealing the affair which resulted in  naming the child.  The authorities were alerted and Skakel became the star witness against  his cousin in the possible prosecution of Kennedy on statutory rape charges. In the state of Massachusetts, a child must be under the age of consent, 16 in this case, in order to have criminal charges placed against the adult participant in the act. Skakel alleges that the victim herself told him that she had at least one sexual encounter with Kennedy 6 months prior to her 16th birthday. If this were true, Kennedy was looking at being charged with a serious crime.

          Because of the media attention which swarmed around this case, the victim's parents became very concerned with the long range effect a trial could have on their child, who had already been humiliated enough in the press, as soon as Skakel revealed her name to reporters. The prosecution met with them several times and it was their desire to not proceed with the charges. Without a victim, it would have been very difficult if not impossible, to obtain a conviction on Kennedy as Skakel's statements would have stood alone. Without coaboration from the young girl, the state did not have a very strong case.

          Eventually, the investigation was dropped. The prosecutor told the victim and her family that he would be willing to go forward at a later date, should they change their minds. The attorney for the victim's family released a statement thanking the prosecutor for their help and the investigation was basically over.

          Whether the affair actually took place before the legal age of consent is anyone's guess. More likely than not, it did. It would be a wretched thing for Skakel to have publicly named this girl if it did not happen. The prosecutor himself believes it did. It certainly would not be the first time that a Kennedy male was under public scrutiny for his misbehavior with a female other than his wife, but in this instance, .

          What resulted from this incident is very interesting. Skakel claims to have told congressmen Joe Kennedy about the affair in hope that he would assist Skakel in having Michael Kennedy discontinue contact with the young girl. Skakel claims that Joe Kennedy would not help him. Kennedy later states to the press that he was not aware of his brother's indiscretion. A comment that is surely open to speculation if what Skakel says is true. Those close to Kennedy have alleged to have confirmed there was indeed an affair, but argue it began after the young girl was of legal age of consent, therefore, although morally repugnant, not a criminal offense.

          Skakel alleges in his "Dead Man Talking" book proposal that speaking out against Michael Kennedy has caused him to suffer the wrath of those that go up against the ruthless "Kennedy political machine". He professes to be the only insider to ever publicly expose a Kennedy misdeed. He further adds this has resulted in camp Kennedy retaliating against Skakel in the form of character assassination. To date, I have yet to read anything stated publicly from a Kennedy or insider, that confirms Skakel's allegations, therefore, if anything has been said, it would seem the attack was made to other Kennedy family members or friends in their tight knit inner circle. Certainly a possibility.

          In examining the babysitter scandal one must ask themselves if Skakel's intentions were as innocent as they may first appear. If he truly wished to save the Michael Kennedy's marriage, save the young girl and her family, and do the right thing, why did he go to the press and release the girl's name? Why did he involve Joe Kennedy in it? Why, for that matter, did he state to the prosecutor that he handed over letters to Victoria Kennedy which were written by Michael Kennedy to the young girl? Why did he drag in auntie Ethel? For verification? Surely, no adult that was aware of this affair would admit knowing about it prior to this girl becoming of legal age of consent. What did Skakel have to gain by telling the prosecutors this?

          It is quite possible that Skakel was on his own campaign. A campaign to besmudge the names of people that just might have something to say about his own involvement with a teenage girl 25 years ago. Skakel eludes to this "character assassination" but does not elaborate. He does mention that he was threatened. Was Martha Moxley the weapon used to threaten him? Was there good reason for Skakel to be afraid? Is it possible that his Kennedy relatives did intervene on his behalf a quarter of a century earlier and now were going to withdraw their support. worse yet, see that justice was done in the Moxley case? It seems Skakel is quite concerned about this possibility.

          It is most unlikely that any Kennedy is going to come out at this time and speak openly about the Moxley murder. It would certainly not be to their benefit to confess any knowledge they may have had 25 years ago, today in the year 2000. For a family whose reputation has gone through the shredder in the last 30 years, adding something as explosive, not to mention the criminal undertones, does not seem something this family is about to risk.  It appears the most they are willing to do is keep quiet and not show any public support to their Skakel relatives in thier time of need. Quite curious in itself considering Ethel and Ted were at the plate batting for William Kennedy Smith in his rape trial in the early 90's. Interestingly enough, Skakel claims in his book proposal, Smith did rape the woman but got off. It does allow room for speculation what the Kennedy's collective silence means in Skakel's arrest for the Moxley murder.

          The babysitter scandal coupled with the book proposal for "Dead Man Talking" does seem to be an unecessarily harsh way to get back at his relatives. Do we all really need to know about another Kennedy affair? Why now, with Michael Kennedy in his grave, would Mike Skakel wish to approach a publisher with his insider trash on the Kennedy family? Sure, it would have sold, but is publishing a tell-all trash book part of the 12 step program that Mike is so proud of? Might there be another reason for Skakel's strategy? Very curious indeed!
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          Post by: mark babitz on September 29, 2010, 08:56:17 AM
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          Michael Skakel
          Born: 19-Sep-1960

          Gender: Male
          Religion: Roman Catholic
          Race or Ethnicity: White
          Sexual orientation: Straight
          Occupation: Criminal, Relative

          Nationality: United States
          Executive summary: Convicted of murdering Martha Moxley

          Father: Rushton Walter Skakel, Sr. (d. 2-Jan-2003)
          Mother: Anne Reynolds Skakel (d. 1973, cancer)
          Brother: Rushton W. Skakel, Jr.
          Brother: Tommy
          Brother: David
          Brother: Stephen
          Brother: John
          Sister: Julie
          Wife: Margot Sheridan (div. 2001)
          Son: George
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          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 29, 2010, 04:56:28 PM
          Not only was Sherman incompetent.. Look at his witness list
          Alice Dunn ? Sarah Petersen ?
          Now look at his accusers.. John Higgins = Loser/Liar.. Greg Coleman.. A known  herion addict and Liar
          Meanwhile.. Back at the Dept of Corrections in Ct.. Michael sits and waits for this nighmare to be be over
          He didnt kill Martha and you will never convince me otherwise
          I have traded several letters with Michael and he seems to be holding up ok.. and I say ok because I cant think anyone could do well in prison
          Especially if you werent guilty of the crime
          What were you trying to get across Marky ?
          What do you know about this ? Besides what you dig up on the internet.
          Probably as much as Danny
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB II on September 29, 2010, 06:37:34 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Not only was Sherman incompetent.. Look at his witness list
          Alice Dunn ? Sarah Petersen ?
          Now look at his accusers.. John Higgins = Loser/Liar.. Greg Coleman.. A known  herion addict and Liar
          Meanwhile.. Back at the Dept of Corrections in Ct.. Michael sits and waits for this nighmare to be be over
          He didnt kill Martha and you will never convince me otherwise
          I have traded several letters with Michael and he seems to be holding up ok.. and I say ok because I cant think anyone could do well in prison
          Especially if you werent guilty of the crime
          What were you trying to get across Marky ?
          What do you know about this ? Besides what you dig up on the internet.
          Probably as much as Danny

          Art, If you can hold up in a difficult conversation about a friend, I'll discuss this with you. I will not get into a knock down dragged out verbal fight. It will accomplish nothing.
          I have never said Michaels experience at Elan was productive, I'm sure it was not. There is no doubt Mike was abused there, (even if he wasn't Mike Skakel) so lets get that out of the way.
          This murder happened in the fall of 1975, almost 3 years before he got to Elan. The evidence was mounting before he got to Elan.
          Here are two of my biggest concerns or conclusions I got from this whole tragic sad tale.
          One, if Mike Skakel was really innocent and Edward Kennedy (his uncle) and Rushton Skakel (his influential father) also knew this, Mike would not be in jail. Bottom line, a Kennedy does not send a family member to jail.
          Second point, nobody in his immediate family father, brother or sister said anything before, during or after that had any credence on the innocence of Mike. I have read nothing from his family at length defending Mike. Oh yeah, we have a puppet Kennedy, Patrick who has tried to help Mike, where are all the Kennedy's.
          So we can argue about Micky Sherman, John Higgins, Mike Coleman, Danny Bennison, Harry Krannick and Alice Dunn. Joe Ricci at the grand jury and trial, stood up for Mike, while behind everyones back lambasted Mike for his guilt.
          The Skakels know exactly what happened to Martha Moxely, maybe one day. one of them will have the soul to tell the world.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 29, 2010, 08:05:43 PM
          Coleman Dead:


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          Connecticut Judge to Decide if Skakel Case Goes to Trial as Prosecution Rests
          By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN
          Published: April 20, 2001
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          STAMFORD, Conn., April 19— State prosecutors today wrapped up their efforts in court here to show that they have enough evidence to try Michael C. Skakel for the 1975 bludgeoning death of Martha Moxley. The judge said that he would consider the evidence overnight and issue a decision from the bench Friday morning.

          For the case against Mr. Skakel to proceed to a jury, the prosecutors must convince Judge John F. Kavanewsky Jr. of State Superior Court that they have shown probable cause, a minimal legal threshold in Connecticut. Normally, such a hearing is routine. But unexpected developments in the Skakel case continued today.

          On Wednesday, a prosecution witness who has said repeatedly that Mr. Skakel confessed to killing Miss Moxley admitted using heroin just an hour before testifying two years ago in front of the grand jury that eventually charged Mr. Skakel with murder. And today, the witness, Gregory Coleman, said that he was taken to a hospital after court Wednesday for methadone to treat his continuing addiction.

          Mr. Coleman, who was a classmate of Mr. Skakel's in the 1970's at Elan School, a school for troubled youths in Maine, testified this morning that he last used heroin on Monday and that he was suffering from withdrawal in court on Wednesday.

          ''I wasn't feeling very well at all yesterday, as people might have been able to tell,'' Mr. Coleman said as his cross-examination by Michael Sherman, a defense lawyer, resumed today. Pressed about his drug use before a grand jury hearing in 1999, Mr. Coleman said that he had injected just one bag of heroin that day. Mr. Coleman said he was using 20 to 25 bags a day at the time and typically injected four to five bags each morning.

          Today, while Mr. Coleman acknowledged numerous inconsistencies in his testimony over the years that he blamed on drug use and the lapse of time, he refused to back away from his testimony that Mr. Skakel confessed. He repeated his contention that Mr. Skakel had once told him: '' 'I am going to get away with murder. I am a Kennedy.' ''

          Mr. Skakel, a nephew of Ethel Kennedy's, is charged with murdering Miss Moxley, his 15-year-old friend and neighbor in Greenwich, Conn. Although he was also 15 at the time of her death, a juvenile court judge has ordered that Mr. Skakel, now 40, be tried as an adult. If convicted, he could face a sentence of life in prison.

          Mr. Skakel scoffed openly as Mr. Coleman testified that he could not remember many details of the 1978 conversation in which he said Mr. Skakel confessed, but that he could remember the contents of Mr. Skakel's record collection, which Mr. Coleman said included the Grateful Dead and ''a little Hendrix, too.''

          At that, Mr. Skakel's face turned red and he held a hand over his mouth to cover a wide smile.

          After Mr. Coleman, another former classmate, John Higgins, testified that he also heard Mr. Skakel confess at Elan. Mr. Higgins said that Mr. Skakel, recalling the night of the killing, ''described to me that he was in his garage going through golf clubs. At one point he was running through the woods, looking at pine trees and he didn't know what happened,'' Mr. Higgins said.

          Investigators determined that Miss Moxley was beaten to death with a golf club from a set that had belonged to Mr. Skakel's mother. Miss Moxley's body was found under a large pine tree outside her home. ''He related to me that he doesn't remember what happened after running in the woods,'' Mr. Higgins testified. ''Later he found out there was a girl murdered.''

          Mr. Higgins added: ''He eventually stated that 'I must have done it' and eventually stated that 'I did it.' '' Under-cross examination, however, Mr. Higgins admitted that when first contacted by prosecutors he repeatedly denied having heard Mr. Skakel confess. He testified today that he had lied then to avoid becoming involved in the case.

          The last witness, Andrew Pugh, a boyhood friend of Mr. Skakel's, testified that he had questioned Mr. Skakel about the Moxley slaying in the early 1990's. Mr. Skakel denied killing her, Mr. Pugh said, but admitted ''a weird thing'' -- that on the night of the killing he had masturbated in the tree under which Miss Moxley's body was found the next day.

          After today's hearing, Dorthy Moxley, the victim's mother, thanked the witnesses and urged others to contact prosecutors. ''Anyone else from Elan who knows anything,'' she said, ''How much we'd appreciate if they come forward.''

          Photo: Michael C. Skakel, 40, is charged with killing his neighbor Martha Moxley when both were 15. (Associated Press
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          Former victims describe dangerous "therapy" at Elan School for troubled teens in Maine [Alternate title supplied by Project NoSpank]
          KENNEDY TEMPTRESS GIVES SKAKEL BOOST
          By MARIA ALVAREZ and MARSHA KRANES
          Associated Press, May 25, 2002

          ...
          Verrochi was followed to the stand by three former students of the Elan School, a rehab center for troubled and addicted teens in Maine that Skakel attended three years after the murder.

          Their testimony was an apparent bid by the defense to cast doubt on the testimony of Elan alums who testified earlier about alleged confessions made by Skakel.

          Sarah Peterson of Key West, Fla., recalled how Skakel was forced to wear a sign that said, "Confront me about the murder of Martha Moxley." She said he wore it for at least six weeks "from the moment he got up to the moment he went to bed."

          She said Skakel also was called to a general meeting, where as many as 110 students screamed and spat at him and asked him about the murder.

          "He said he didn't do it," she said.

          He also was put into a boxing ring and had to fight six or seven men as part of the effort to get him to confess to the murder, she said.

          She recalled that he "was crying a lot . . . sometimes uncontrollably . . . and all the time he said he couldn't remember. And when he was tortured for long periods of time, he said he didn't know."

          Peterson said Skakel also was paddled and forced to wear a dunce cap when he didn't confess.

          Fighting back tears, she told jurors she was forced to confess that she was a "slut."

          Another Elan alumnus, Michael Wiggins of South Carolina, echoed much of Peterson's testimony.

          He recalled a general meeting at which Skakel was told, "We are going to get to the bottom of this and you will tell us why you murdered Martha Moxley."

          Wiggins also described the boxing-ring incident and how Skakel initially said he didn't kill Moxley. "And each time he said it, he had to go back into the ring" where six or seven people "hit him as hard as they could."

          Wiggins told jurors how he, too, was called to a general meeting and told to admit he was "a coward and a chicken."

          When he balked, he said, he was beaten "black and blue and bloody" with a paddle and then forced to put on a chicken suit and sit in the middle of the room with blood running down his leg.

          Both Wiggins and Peterson were asked about the "reputation for truthfulness" of fellow Elan alum John Higgins, who testified this week that Skakel had confessed to him. Both said they didn't consider him truthful.

          The third Elan graduate to take the stand, Donna Kavanah, didn't remember much of what happened to Skakel at the school. But she recalled a general meeting where she was asked to confess that she was "acting black."

          She finally did, after "being beaten," she said.
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          JOHN D. HIGGINS - Prosecution witness; 37-year-old resident of Lisle, Illinois; attended Elan School from 1977 to 1979.
          ...
          HIGGINS: Yes, I do. On the front porch of the dormitory. It was in the evening when everybody was asleep.

          BENEDICT: In the course of this conversation, did Mr. Skakel explain to you why he was there?

          HIGGINS: He related to me that he had been involved with a murder of someone or at that time when he started talking about it, thought that he had been involved with this.
          ...
          HIGGINS: I couldn't be sure, maybe a couple of hours.
          ...
          HIGGINS: He related that he was in his garage and he was going through some golf clubs and he had a golf club. He was outside of his garage running through some woods and he remembers seeing pine trees and he blacked out. He doesn't have any other recollection and he told me that. In his house, he woke up the next day. He said he didn't know whether he did it and he couldn't remember if he did it. And throughout the course of the several hours or however long this conversation went on, he eventually said that he in fact did it.
          ...
          HIGGINS: Yes, he did.
          ...
          HIGGINS: Yes, I suppose I could have. Well, by not telling him all of the truth, that could be considered a lie.
          ...
          HIGGINS: Yes, I do.
          ...
          HIGGINS: That I am an honest person.
          ...
          HIGGINS: I can't recall at this time.
          ...
          SHERMAN: Was it common knowledge that Michael Skakel confessed to John Higgins?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 29, 2010, 08:42:06 PM
          Scandals past and present were dragged up in court during the murder trial of Michael Skakel last week, writes Orla Healy...
          Scandals past and present were dragged up in court during the murder trial of Michael Skakel last week, writes Orla Healy

          KENNEDY scandals past and present converged in a Connecticut courtroom last Thursday, where Michael Skakel, the nephew of Ethel Kennedy, is on trial for the 1975 murder of his teenage neighbour Martha Moxley.

          A hush fell over the court when 24-year-old Marissa Verrochi was ushered to the stand. She is the former baby-sitter who allegedly, in 1992 at age 14, became involved in an illicit sexual affair with the late Michael Kennedy, a neighbour whose children she tended and a cousin of the accused. The relationship reportedly ended in 1996 when she went to college.

          On Thursday, Verrochi testified in the defence of Skakel, rebutting previous testimony from Geranne Ridge who said she and Verrochi had been present at a 1997 party during which Skakel allegedly told guests in jest: "Ask me why I killed my neighbour".

          Verrochi testified she was living with Ridge for several weeks in 1997, but emphatically denied attending any party where she, Ridge and Skakel all were present.

          Ridge had testified earlier last week that she came home to her South Boston condo to find a bunch of Verrochi's friends there, including Skakel. In relation to the Skakel's alleged comment Ridge said: "It was a little bit too much to handle".

          Whisked into Norwalk's Superior Court by a public relations posse, Verrochi was clearly nervous. Now living in Florida, she testified that she was a close friend of Skakel's and that they were in frequent contact in 1997, but that she hasn't seen him in more than a year. She said she met Skakel through Kennedy, for whom Skakel was working as a driver in 1994, and that Skakel supported her when news of her relationship with Kennedy made headlines in 1997.

          Ironically, some Kennedy family members believe it was Skakel who blew the whistle and made the affair public, causing a massive scandal after which Kennedy's wife Victoria filed for divorce. Michael was killed in a Colorado skiing accident a few weeks later.

          Skakel is believed to have further strained family relations when he agreed to be interviewed by Norfolk DA, Jeffrey Locke, in connection with the underage sex allegations. Verrochi's family, who are friendly with the Kennedys, did not co-operate with authorities and no charges were ever filed.

          Trying to highlight Verrochi's loyalty to Skakel, prosecutor Jonathan Benedict briefly cross-examined her to stress upon jurors how Skakel comforted her during the scandal.

          "He protected you from the situation?" Benedict asked. "Sure," she replied.

          No mention was made of another aspect of Ridge's testimony dealing with what she called the "paradox" that Skakel was suspected of killing one attractive 15-year-old girl, and then years later came to the rescue of another.

          After her brief but intense testimony which put before jurors some of the Kennedy connections they're supposed to ignore Verrochi donned sunglasses and hurriedly left the courthouse, pursued by reporters and news photographers.

          Verrochi's testimony was part of the three-pronged attack Skakel's defence team launched when it took the case on Tuesday: bringing on witnesses to contradict early prosecution witnesses, bolstering what they claim to be Skakel's alibi and painting a brutal picture of life at the school where Michael allegedly confessed to the murder.

          On Monday, just before the prosecution rested its case, two witnesses put Michael at the scene of the crime. Andrew Pugh, Michael's then best friend, and another pal, Michael Meredith testified that in separate conversations Michael told them he was in a tree on the Moxley property, trying to peep into Martha's bedroom, the night of the murder. Both said Michael had denied killing Martha, but said he had admitted to masturbating in the tree on the night of her death. Meredith added that Michael told him he ran home after seeing his older brother, Thomas initially a prime suspect in this case walking toward the Moxley home.

          To cement Skakel's alibi, that he was at the home of his cousin 20 minutes' drive from the scene of the crime at the time of the murder, the defence put the cousin, James Dowdle and Michael's brother, Rushton Jr, on the stand Wednesday. They testified they were with Michael watching Monty Python's Flying Circus from 10pm to 10:30pm. Another cousin, Georgeanne Skakel Dowdle appeared to confirm their story, but under cross-examination, admitted she hadn't actually laid eyes on Michael. In fact, all three Skakel relatives testified they could recall almost nothing about the night of the killing aside from a few facts supporting Michael's alibi. Not one, for instance, could recall with whom they ate dinner that night.

          The most severe damage to the prosecution's case, however, came Thursday and Friday when former students of the Elan substance abuse centre, where Michael spent time in the '70s, refuted testimony by prosecution witnesses that Skakel had confessed to the murder while in rehab.

          In an ill-fated book proposal which jurors heard about Monday, Skakel described being physically carried off to Elan on his father's orders after he got drunk at age 17 and led police on a car chase that ended in a crash. Defence attorney Michael Sherman described the school as a "hell hole" and argued any admissions made by Michael there had been beaten out of him. Among the former Elan residents who testified on behalf of the defence about the confrontational tactics used on Skakel was Sarah Petersen. She compellingly explained how the brutal treatment Michael received at the school might have influenced his statements about Moxley's murder.

          He stopped his initial denials of his involvement, she said, only after he was repeatedly beaten in a boxing ring. "The only time that he said he couldn't remember was after long hours of torture," Peterson testified. She also said she heard Elan director Joe Ricci tell Skakel on at least a dozen occasions: "You're not getting out of here until you ''fess up'".

          Petersen called into question the credibility of one of the key prosecution witnesses, John Higgins who had testified that he heard Skakel confess one night while the two were sitting on a dormitory porch. Petersen said Higgins cannot be trusted. "I found him to be a mean-spirited person who really enjoyed seeing what kind of trouble he could cause in your life he seemed to really like making Michael Skakel's life miserable." Petersen was just one of many former residents who told their own tales of being beaten or humiliated into making admissions to things they hadn't done. She became quite emotional when describing how, in the face of people screaming at her, she admitted she was "a whore and a slut", even though she was a virgin, "because I wanted them to leave me alone". Donna Kavanah, who is white, testified she was spanked with a wooden paddle for almost two hours before she admitted to "acting black". Sherman asked her what that meant. "I don't know," Kavanah said. "I don't understand it to this day."

          Such stories would be too incredible to believe if there weren't more like it. But there are plenty of similar, harrowing tales posted on various web sites run by self-described "Elan survivors". The website for Elan School describes the modern-day facility as "a carefully conceptualised, caringly administered residential community, designed to help adolescents permanently change attitudes and life patterns, teaching them to live effectively in the mainstream of life". It also features a photo album of smiling residents fishing, sailing and frolicking in the waves of a Maine shoreline. But, as Angela McFillin, who attended Elan from 1978 to 1980, testified "It was an awful, terrible place. It was like a prison camp. It was worse than a boot camp. It was terrible. It was the worst experience of my life."

          Prosecutors contend that, even if the methods at Elan were confrontational, it does not mean that Skakel was not telling truth when he told several people that he either killed Martha or could have killed her, but wasn't sure, because he was drunk and blacked out on the night of October 30, 1975.

          Although Elan is not on trial, the facility's tactics, at least during the 1970s, last week became a central issue for jurors who will soon deliberate Skakel's fate. Testimony resumes on Tuesday.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 29, 2010, 08:43:26 PM
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          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
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          Colman's Obituary



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          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 29, 2010, 08:55:27 PM
          Art, If you can hold up in a difficult conversation about a friend, I'll discuss this with you. I will not get into a knock down dragged out verbal fight. It will accomplish nothing.
          That is precicely what you have accomplished thus far here at Fornits
           

           
          This murder happened in the fall of 1975, almost 3 years before he got to Elan. The evidence was mounting before he got to Elan.
          You may draw whatever conclusions that you like
           

           
          So we can argue about Micky Sherman, John Higgins, Mike Coleman, Danny Bennison, Harry Krannick and Alice Dunn. Joe Ricci at the grand jury and trial, stood up for Mike, while behind everyones back lambasted Mike for his guilt.
          Save the "Program speak" for someone who may be impressed

           Danny
          In the short time that I have known you. I have found you less than forthcoming. I wouldnt have an EASY conversation with you let alone a difficult one.You are entitled to your opinions,and whatever else you can find to stir something up. But at the end of the day..You remain a troll,and a fraud. I gave in, to the idea, that we could have an exchange of emails and you sold me out.
          Much as I hate to admit it.. Mark and Sharon,Collectively have more CLASS in their single Pinkey's,than you will ever posess in your body,or lifetime.
          Go impress your little playmates in your 200 threads
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 29, 2010, 08:58:21 PM
          Photo's


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          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 29, 2010, 09:00:19 PM
          Photo of Mr Sherman

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          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
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          Elizabeth Arnold

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          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 29, 2010, 09:13:15 PM
          Michaels  G.M.

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          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB II on September 29, 2010, 09:14:13 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Art, If you can hold up in a difficult conversation about a friend, I'll discuss this with you. I will not get into a knock down dragged out verbal fight. It will accomplish nothing.
          That is precicely what you have accomplished thus far here at Fornits
           

           
          This murder happened in the fall of 1975, almost 3 years before he got to Elan. The evidence was mounting before he got to Elan.
          You may draw whatever conclusions that you like
           

           
          So we can argue about Micky Sherman, John Higgins, Mike Coleman, Danny Bennison, Harry Krannick and Alice Dunn. Joe Ricci at the grand jury and trial, stood up for Mike, while behind everyones back lambasted Mike for his guilt.
          Save the "Program speak" for someone who may be impressed

           Danny
          In the short time that I have known you. I have found you less than forthcoming. I wouldnt have an EASY conversation with you let alone a difficult one.You are entitled to your opinions,and whatever else you can find to stir something up. But at the end of the day..You remain a troll,and a fraud. I gave in, to the idea, that we could have an exchange of emails and you sold me out.
          Much as I hate to admit it.. Mark and Sharon,Collectively have more CLASS in their single Pinkey's,than you will ever posess in your body,or lifetime.
          Go impress your little playmates in your 200 threads


          Art, if you would just take your meds when your supposed to, then you could talk to folks in a civilized manner but you won't. So your paranoia gets the better of you and you sink back down into that morass of finger pointing you so enjoy.
          Art, trust me, I did not expect anything other then what you just did, you are not capable of anything more.
          So fight on or not with your buddies, I guess your all getting along now, which is a good thing. Now would be the time for you to start giving back to fornits instead of continuously taking.
          Art, if you are referring to me enlightening Psy as to your dealings, concerning closing down fornits recently in a email you sent me, well let me hip you to something, fornits will always be bigger then you, my friend. Your crap of 10 months ago was bullshit and as far as I'm concerned will never happen again if I can help it. So if you do not want to call me a friend because of that, so be it "selfish one".
          BTW, you are not a good person at all, actually your a very insensitive person. Why would I care if you want anything to do with me, Oh, OK, I don't.
          Be kind to yourself, Art.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 29, 2010, 09:24:40 PM
          Let's not pass by Mr Wiggins from So Carolina

          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... kWJyEXfgdg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nospank.net%2Felan.htm&ei=k-ajTOqeEYGRjAew36S0DA&usg=AFQjCNFhdcacGML5rZ5KVx3GkWJyEXfgdg)



          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... PjWRYuXBEg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=8&sqi=2&ved=0CCsQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ct.gov%2Fcsao%2Flib%2Fcsao%2FSkakel_July2007.pdf&ei=k-ajTOqeEYGRjAew36S0DA&usg=AFQjCNEZmfNrTz8IVb9KWTKRPjWRYuXBEg)




          Key testimony from the Skakel trial

          Highlights of testimony in the case of Kennedy cousin Michael Skakel, who was convicted Friday in the 1975 beating death of Greenwich teen-ager Martha Moxley.

          Prosecution testimony

          Dorthy Moxley: Moxley's mother; testified May 7 about the frantic efforts to find her daughter the morning of Oct. 31, 1975. Moxley said she went to the Skakel house looking for her daughter and Michael opened the door. She said he appeared "hung over."

          Thomas Keegan: A Greenwich police captain at the time of the murder; testified May 8 that police applied unsuccessfully for an arrest warrant for Skakel's older brother, Thomas, who was the last person seen with Moxley.

          Dr. H. Wayne Carver: Chief state medical examiner; testified May 8 about the injuries Moxley suffered, and said he could not pinpoint a time of death.

          Henry Lee: Forensics expert and former state commissioner of public safety; testified May 8 that there was no direct evidence linking Skakel to the slaying, but said there was indirect evidence suggesting a link.

          James Lunney: Former Greenwich police detective; testified May 9 he saw a set of golf clubs in the Skakel home matching the murder weapon.

          Kenneth Littleton: Former Skakel family tutor who began his job the day Moxley was killed; testified May 9 that he was unexpectedly instructed to take Skakel, his siblings and a cousin to a home in upstate New York the day after Moxley's body was found.

          Andrea Shakespeare Renna: Friend of Skakel's sister; testified May 9 that Skakel was not among the youths who drove Skakel's cousin to another part of Greenwich the night of the slaying, contradicting Skakel's alibi.

          Mary Baker: Ex-wife of Littleton; testified May 13 that Littleton never confessed to killing Moxley, and said she was collaborating with prosecutors when she told Littleton he had confessed during an alcoholic blackout.

          Mildred Ix: Skakel neighbor; testified May 15 she was mistaken when she told a grand jury that Skakel made incriminating statements to his father, but said Skakel inquired about taking a test with sodium pentathol, a drug used to help people remember.

          Matthew Tucciarone: Hairdresser; testified May 15 that Skakel made an incriminating statement while sitting in his barber's chair in 1975 or 1976.

          Lawrence Zicarelli: Former Skakel family driver; testified May 16 that Skakel once said he had done something "very bad" and had to either kill himself or get out of the country.

          John Higgins: Former student at the Elan School, a residential substance abuse treatment center Skakel attended; testified May 16 that Skakel confessed to killing Moxley in a tearful conversation at the school.

          Gregory Coleman: Former student at Elan. Coleman died last year after using drugs, but his testimony in pretrial hearings was read into the record May 17. Coleman said Skakel once told him, "I'm going to get away with murder, because I'm a Kennedy." Coleman admitted he was high on heroin when he testified before a one-judge grand jury, but stood by his testimony.

          Michael Meredith: Former student at Elan, though he did not attend the school with Skakel; testified May 20 that Skakel told him he had climbed a tree outside Moxley's home the night of the murder and masturbated.

          Richard Hoffman: Planned to write a book with Skakel about life with the Kennedys. Prosecutors on May 21 played an audiotape of Skakel discussing his attraction to Moxley and his activities the night of the murder.

          Defense testimony

          James Dowdle: Skakel's cousin; testified May 22 that Skakel was visiting him the night Moxley was killed. Dowdle said Skakel and brothers Rushton and John took a trip with him from the Skakel home to Dowdle's Greenwich estate about 9:30 p.m. Under cross-examination, Dowdle admitted being hazy on specifics.

          Rushton Skakel, Jr.: An older brother of Skakel; testified May 22 that while he recalled where Michael was the night Moxley was killed, he had trouble remembering the commotion associated with the slaying the next day or giving statements to investigators.

          David Skakel: Younger brother of Skakel; testified May 22 that he recalled hearing a neighbor's dog barking between 9:30 p.m. and 10 p.m. "It was ongoing and incessant," he said. "I would describe it as distressed and prolonged."

          Sarah Petersen: Former student at the Elan School; testified May 23 that John Higgins, a former Elan student who testified for the prosecution, had a reputation as a liar.

          Michael Wiggins: Former student at Elan; testified May 23 that Higgins had a reputation as a liar; said Higgins often accused students of misconduct which they denied.

          Georgeann Skakel Terrien: Dowdle's sister; testified May 23 that Skakel was among those at her house the night Moxley was murdered. On cross-examination, prosecutors noted that she told a grand jury in 1998 that she only heard the voices of her brother and cousins from another room in the house, and could not tell which Skakel children were present.

          Dr. Joseph Jachimczyk: Medical expert from Houston hired by the defense; testified May 28 that Moxley died about 10 p.m. on Oct. 30, 1975, a time that conforms with Skakel's alibi. Jachimczyk said he estimated the time of death based on the degree of rigor mortis in Moxley's body, reports of barking dogs in the area, Moxley's curfew, the autopsy report and the contents of Moxley's stomach at the time of death. On cross-examination, he acknowledged the difficulty in estimating time of death, and said his estimate could be off by an hour in either direction.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 29, 2010, 09:31:44 PM
          sex scandal spiced testimony at Michael Skakel's trial on charges of killing neighbor Martha Moxley in 1975.

          More testimony was scheduled for Friday, but it was the brief appearance Thursday of Marisa Verrochi that brought the Kennedy name into the proceedings.

          Verrochi was called by the defense to counter testimony that Skakel, at a party in Boston in 1997, appeared to implicate himself in the Moxley slaying.

          The party was at the condominium home of Gerrane Ridge, Verrochi's longtime friend. Ridge testified she overheard Skakel say, in jest, "Ask me why I killed my neighbor."

          Verrochi, 24, said, "I don't recall that ever happening."

          Skakel, 41, is on trial in Norwalk, Conn., on a charge of bludgeoning Moxley to death on Oct. 30, 1975, when they were 15-year-old neighbors in Greenwich, Conn.

          Skakel later was a neighbor to Verrochi and his first cousin Michael Kennedy in Cohasset, Mass. It was at Kennedy's home that Skakel and Verrochi met and became friends when the sex scandal erupted in 1997.

          Under cross-examination by state's attorney Jonathan Benedict, Verrochi admitted Skakel came to her aid as she tried to escape a sexual relationship with Michael Kennedy, the sixth of the late U.S. Sen. Robert and Ethel Kennedy's 11 children,.

          Verrochi, who often took care of Kennedy's three children, was 14 when the affair with Kennedy started in 1992.

          "When you met him you were certainly in the middle of a personal and family mess, and it involved Michael Kennedy?" Benedict asked.

          "Yes," she responded.

          She again answered yes when Benedict asked her if Skakel "took you under his wing" and "tried to get you help."

          This was the first time Verrochi has spoken publicly about the scandal. Skakel's relationship with the Kennedys apparently became strained at this time because he cooperated with authorities investigating possible statutory rape charges against his cousin.

          Because Verrochi declined to testify against Kennedy, no charges were filed against him. Kennedy died in a 1997 skiing accident.

          Defense attorney Michael Sherman, who said he expects to wrap up his case next week, called three former students who attended the Elan School for troubled teens in Maine with Skakel in the late 1970s.

          Two of them, Sarah Petersen and Michael Wiggins, said they never heard Skakel confess to killing Moxley, as some other students have testified.

          They said Skakel was repeatedly abused and badgered by Elan director Joseph Ricci, who demanded Skakel confess.

          Petersen testified she repeatedly heard Ricci tell Skakel, "You're not getting out of here until you 'fess up."

          When Skakel didn't, he was forced to get into a "boxing ring" where he was pummeled by other students, they said.

          "He was crying a lot of times, sometimes uncontrollably," Petersen said. "After long hours of torture, he would say, I don't know.' ... After six to eight hours I heard him say, I don't know. I don't know. Maybe I did."'

          "When he was asked the question, he said, No, I did not murder Martha Moxley,'" Wiggins said. "He said it, but each time he said it he'd go in the ring and each time he said it Joe would say, Who wants to go in the ring with him?' When Joe stopped putting him in the ring is when Michael said, I don't remember.'
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 29, 2010, 09:48:00 PM
          I personally don't know the guy,nor ever met him,but I do know Elan and the kind of folks that were there,and that 15 min of fame lasted them the rest of their life's, I think the guy got Fucked and good,who knows what they paid those  { Dope Fiends } to testify,??. Coleman admitted to being fucked up at court,

          Mike got fucked, and hard, That poor fuck never say it coming , They needed a fall guy and he was it, I bet the only physical confrontation he ever had in his life was in jail and prison.or Elan. he was a severely pampered ultra rich kid, they don't kill and get physical.They might act out and be goofy, but Flat Out Murder,??? and he was a teen too,????. No question it happened and the murder weapon was true, I find it hard to believe this " kid ", at the time, beat off in a tree and killed the girl, he just beat off too,?? Come on.

          And the list of wittnesses to his alledged confession??????????????????? :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: They were more fucked up than, Mike could have ever been,He was a rich kid who partied too hard, A murderer,?????. I think those guys jumped on the band wagon and road him fame.

          His counsel was a joke, but why,?? Family had plenty of money, I think he just got the shaft.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 30, 2010, 07:47:27 AM
          Danny
          Your time would be better spent doing for others,rather than promoting yourself. You are but a Fraud
          show me where I stated Fornits was being shut down and I had something to do with this ? And if you sent this personal email to psy,how is it Sharon got it and posted it here ?
          You are gonna have to learn to be a better liar if you are going to run in these circles Danny.
          I never had you as a friend,nor was I ever interested in your friendship,as the cost is just to high.
          I am sorry that you are SO sick that you have to post here 200 times a day. Tho I understand the affliction. I have to think your time could be better spent helping real people,who want help.. Rather than forcing it down someone's throat (like you do in every thread)
          I really do wish you owell. But I really wish you'd shut the fuck up,as I am sure dozens of others will agree with. You have quite the fan base here @ fornits. Where else can you get this kind of attention and not have to pay for it
          You live for betrayal,and eat it up with sugar. Even if you are lying,its still always about you. Did Psy give you a cookie for your most recent lies ?
          How about another Screen Name LOL
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 30, 2010, 08:56:54 AM
          And the list of wittnesses to his alledged confession???????????????????        They were more fucked up than, Mike could have ever been,He was a rich kid who partied too hard, A murderer,?????. I think those guys jumped on the band wagon and road him fame.

          His counsel was a joke, but why,?? Family had plenty of money, I think he just got the shaft.
           
          Mike hired a PI to "clear" his name,when he should've just left it alone. He wouldnt have gone thru what he did. M Sherman had all the wrong witnesses to defend Mike. Joe Ricci and Co did him more damage than good,in several testimonies. They detracted from the facts by representing Elan and its horrific lifelong record of abuse. The pole of public opinion won over the facts,and the law.
          The bandwagon was Higgins and the late Greg Coleman. All this for 50k I think. Split 2 ways.
          Thats what this was about from the start. Thats how it ended. Justice wasnt served and a killer still walks amoung us,while Mike sits in a Ct Jail cell.
          If anyone has any interest I have Mike's address. I am sure he would appreciate a letter
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB II on September 30, 2010, 01:55:52 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Danny
          Your time would be better spent doing for others,rather than promoting yourself. You are but a Fraud
          show me where I stated Fornits was being shut down and I had something to do with this ? And if you sent this personal email to psy,how is it Sharon got it and posted it here ?
          You are gonna have to learn to be a better liar if you are going to run in these circles Danny.
          I never had you as a friend,nor was I ever interested in your friendship,as the cost is just to high.
          I am sorry that you are SO sick that you have to post here 200 times a day. Tho I understand the affliction. I have to think your time could be better spent helping real people,who want help.. Rather than forcing it down someone's throat (like you do in every thread)
          I really do wish you owell. But I really wish you'd shut the fuck up,as I am sure dozens of others will agree with. You have quite the fan base here @ fornits. Where else can you get this kind of attention and not have to pay for it
          You live for betrayal,and eat it up with sugar. Even if you are lying,its still always about you. Did Psy give you a cookie for your most recent lies ?
          How about another Screen Name LOL

          Well Jee, Arty, maybe Psy sent it on to her so she could inform you of the consequences of your stupid actions. Listen I have to go now but please stay in touch with me. I am very interested in your life and how things are going for you. I know you have this penchant for calling me names and trying to reject me but we both know how you adore me. We are friends Arty, this is just how we do it. I am baffled that you don't recognized this as a great relationship, I was under the impression all your friendships are like this.
          Is everyone a liar in your life?????
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB II on September 30, 2010, 02:12:32 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          And the list of wittnesses to his alledged confession???????????????????        They were more fucked up than, Mike could have ever been,He was a rich kid who partied too hard, A murderer,?????. I think those guys jumped on the band wagon and road him fame.

          His counsel was a joke, but why,?? Family had plenty of money, I think he just got the shaft.
           
          Mike hired a PI to "clear" his name,when he should've just left it alone. He wouldnt have gone thru what he did. M Sherman had all the wrong witnesses to defend Mike. Joe Ricci and Co did him more damage than good,in several testimonies. They detracted from the facts by representing Elan and its horrific lifelong record of abuse. The pole of public opinion won over the facts,and the law.
          The bandwagon was Higgins and the late Greg Coleman. All this for 50k I think. Split 2 ways.
          Thats what this was about from the start. Thats how it ended. Justice wasnt served and a killer still walks amoung us,while Mike sits in a Ct Jail cell.
          If anyone has any interest I have Mike's address. I am sure he would appreciate a letter

          I am sorry to inform you Art, John Higgins never actually got any money. His conscious got the best of him and he refused to accept any money. As for Coleman, well we know about him. I was offered a great deal of money on two occasions, I could have refuted Joe's admission of no knowledge and my admission session with Michael. I refused, not because I am this great guy (even though I am) but because I kept thinking about Martha'a Mom and what would she want right now. Mrs Moxely just wanted the truth.
          I know Mark and yourself want to think that a rich kid like Mike could never do anything like murder but guys this does not make any sense. Having psychotic thoughts does not factor in socio-economics into the equation, Mike being rich has nothing to do with whether he killed Martha or not. As a matter of fact the emotional and mental ills Mike and his brother Tom were dealing with at the time made them prime candidates for this tragedy.
          Please go google what Mike was dealing with personally in 1975 and prior, his family life was a mess, plus mix in drugs and alcohol and you have a time bomb waiting to go off.
          Many kids that came to Elan were there for actions committed under the influence of drugs/alcohol and emotional/mental duress. We had kids that had done some very bad things under those circumstances, take away the drugs/alcuhol and the duress they are fine.
          Art we don't have to like one another to have a honest good hearted debate, Mark and I do it all the time, right Mark.  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 30, 2010, 04:48:51 PM
          I have a hard time forming an opinion Danny, I have seen both sides rich and poor and your right, the money isn't rally a factor but, it kind of is, in the respect to that, in the early 70s I think there were more family values and people thought a little different and so did kids. I was one of those wild kids from the suburbs of Chicago, grew up in Skokie and went to high school in Winnetka when we moved there.And I did allot of bad things,I fought stole cars etc. But killing someone,??

          I do remember in Skokie An Andria Sacks was murdered and I think one more by Wilmette at Westmorland Country Club in the early 70s but that was it, Hard core violence wasn't real prevalent. So to think that these Kids at the time, in far more affluent atmosphere, could conjure up murder, is a bit far fetched, but I don't know,??

          The Kennedy's have a long history of misfortune and bad luck, and no he is not the first one in the family to have murder charges on their door step.

          Let not forget Ted.


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          Chappaquiddick......TED KENNEDY...how did he get away with murder?
          This site contains extensive coverage of the circumstances surrounding the infamous accident at Chappaquiddick
          July 19, 1969


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          "Do we operate under a system of equal justice under law?
          Or is there one system for the average citizen
          and another for the high and mighty?"
          - Senator Ted Kennedy, 1973 -
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          View the Photos and Evidence from the Accident
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          Was Senator Kennedy drunk when he drove off the
          Dike Bridge in Chappaquiddick?
          Read the statements and testimony of those who spent the day with him

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          Learn the disturbing truth about the accident at
          Chappaquiddick

          Mary Jo Kopechne - See Police diver John Farrar's testimony suggesting that Mary Jo Kopechne survived for as long as two hours in the submerged automobile by breathing a pocket of trapped air.

          - Learn how Senator Kennedy spent the nine hours after the accident attempting to cover-up his involvement, while Mary Jo Kopechne was left to die in his submerged automobile.



          - Read the scenario developed by Detective Bernie Flynn, one of the officers who investigated the accident

          - View Senator Kennedy's history of traffic violations.

          - Learn why George Killen , the State Police Detective-Lieutenant who investigated the accident, said that Senator Kennedy "killed that girl the same as if he put a gun to her head and pulled the trigger."

          The "Chappaquiddick incident" refers to the death of Mary Jo Kopechne, a former campaign worker for the assassinated U.S. Senator Robert F. Kennedy of New York.

          In July of 1969, Kopechne's dead body was discovered inside an overturned car belonging to Senator Ted Kennedy under water in a tidal channel on Chappaquiddick Island.

          The incident became a national scandal, and it may have affected the Senator's decision not to run for President in 1972.

          Contents [hide]
          1 Background
          2 Events of the night of July 18, 1969
          3 Discovery of the body
          4 Subsequent events
          4.1 Kennedy's initial statement
          4.2 Court proceedings
          4.3 Kennedy's televised statement
          4.4 Autopsy
          4.5 Inquest
          4.6 Grand Jury
          4.7 Fatal Accident Hearing
          5 Significance and legacy
          6 References
          7 Bibliography
          7.1 Further reading



          [edit] Background
          On July 18, 1969, Ted Kennedy attended a party on Chappaquiddick, a small island adjoining Martha's Vineyard and connected to it via a ferry. The party was a reunion for a group of six women, including Kopechne, known as the "boiler-room girls",[1] who had served in his brother Robert's 1968 presidential campaign. Also present were Joseph Gargan (Ted Kennedy's cousin), Paul Markham (a school friend of Gargan's who would become United States Attorney for Massachusetts under the patronage of the Kennedys)[2], Charles Tretter (an attorney), and John Crimmins (Ted Kennedy's part-time driver). Kennedy was also competing in the Edgartown Yacht Club Regatta, a sailing competition which was taking place over several days.[1]


          [edit] Events of the night of July 18, 1969
          According to his own testimony at the inquest into Kopechne's death, Kennedy left the party at "approximately 11:15 p.m." When he announced that he was about to leave, Kopechne indicated "that she was desirous of leaving, if I would be kind enough to drop her back at her hotel". Kennedy then requested the keys to his car from his chauffeur, Crimmins. Asked why he did not have his chauffeur drive them both, Kennedy explained that Crimmins along with some other partygoers "were concluding their meal, enjoying the fellowship and it didn't appear to me necessary to require him to bring me back to Edgartown".[3]

          Christopher "Huck" Look was a deputy sheriff working as a special police officer at the Edgartown regatta dance that night. At 12:30 am he left the dance, crossed over to Chappaquiddick in the yacht club's launch, got into his parked car and drove home. He testified that between 12:30 and 12:45 am he had seen a dark car containing a man driving and a woman in the front seat approaching the intersection with Dike Road. The car had gone first onto the private Cemetery Road and stopped there. Thinking that the occupants of the car might be lost, Look had gotten out of his car and walked towards it. When he was 25 to 30 feet away, the car started backing up towards him. When Look called out to offer his help, the car took off down Dike Road in a cloud of dust.[4] Look recalled that the car's license plate began with a "L" and contained the number "7", both details true of Kennedy's 1967 Oldsmobile Delmont 88..


          The Dike Bridge, pictured here in 2008 with guardrail.According to his inquest testimony, Kennedy made a wrong turn onto Dike Road,



          Photo

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          But still I take question on the witnesses and their motivations, Elan was straight peer pressure, and allot of it, so I wonder how much sincerity and soul searching was really their.I still think there was allot of embellishment and Fame chasing. I would believe money was offered for travel expenses or what ever,I believe they were all money motivated. Non of them were really worth shit to anyone but the prosecutors,They kept the wind in Higgins and Coleman's and the rest of them's sails.

          Without Mike, non of them meant anything, he gave them importance and purpose, notoriety etc,He mad them stars of sorts.How does any one know if the Moxley family didn't show some gratitude,?? I know I would feel obliged to help someone who just help me, especially in something like my child murder. So there is allot to ponder and a long history to look at, but I just don't believe the boy did it. I think he just got caught up in the wrong place at the wrong time and took the weight.

          As far as Elan credibility ,,, :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::

          Who would believe Joe Ricci and his Disciple's, that really knew them,?? The jury didn't and thats why Mike lost. No one would believe a drug abusing dope fiend like Joe Ricci, I wonder if him and Coleman met up before trial and got fucked up,?? Both admitted to using drugs Colman then and Ricci later on admitted drug use in his life still.So them and their band of marry snitches, sure weren't too credible. Not to say Mike was a Prince, But a murder,??? They got caught up in that Joe Ricci adrenalin, and charged for the wall, and once so far in they couldnt turn back, or face the fate of Mike, . Perjury in a capital case is big time,and anyone of them knew the consequences of backing out. So they all had gun to their heads to stick to the story.


          2005 Connecticut Code - Sec. 53a-156. Perjury: Class D felony.
               Connecticut 2005 Code   All US State Codes
                Sec. 53a-156. Perjury: Class D felony. (a) A person is guilty of perjury if, in any official proceeding, he intentionally, under oath, makes a false statement, swears, affirms or testifies falsely, to a material statement which he does not believe to be true.

                (b) Perjury is a class D felony.

                (1969, P.A. 828, S. 158.)

                Cited. 175 C. 279. 291. Cited. 189 C. 92, 93. Cited. 200 C. 243, 251. One-witness-plus-corroboration rule discussed. 204 C. 472, 479, 480.

                Cited. 4 CA 359, 360. Cited. 5 CA 552. Cited. 17 CA 395, 396.

                Subsec. (a):

                Cited. 193 C. 474, 497. Cited. 204 C. 472, 473.

                Cited. 5 CA 552. Cited. 10 CA 605, 606.

                Subsec. (b):

                Cited. 9 CA 686, 72


                Sec. 53a-161c. Receiving kickbacks: Class D felony. (a) A person is guilty of receiving kickbacks when he: (1) By force, intimidation or threat of procuring dismissal from employment induces any person who is employed in the construction, completion or repair of any public building, public work, or building or work financed in whole or in part by loans or grants from the state, or who has a contract with the state, to give up any part of the compensation to which he is entitled; (2) knowingly solicits, accepts or agrees to accept any benefit, in cash or in kind, from another person upon an agreement or understanding that such benefit will influence such person's conduct in relation to referring an individual or arranging for the referral of an individual for the furnishing of any goods, facilities or services to such other person under contract to provide goods, facilities or services to a local, state or federal agency; or (3) by force, intimidation or threat, such person induces another person who has a contract with the state to give up any part of the compensation to which such other person is entitled. For the purposes of this section and section 53a-161d, "refer" means to send, direct or recommend and "referral" means the act of sending, directing or recommending. For purposes of this subsection, "benefit" shall not include forms of remuneration listed in 42 CFR Section 1001.952.

                (b) Receiving kickbacks is a class D felony.

                (P.A. 80-290; P.A. 96-169, S. 11.)

                History: P.A. 96-169 substituted "when he: (1) By" for "whenever he by", added Subdivs. (2) and (3) and added definitions of "refer", "referral" and "benefit".



          So who know's,??? In a case like this, they could all of went to jail for fabricating a story like that,no question. And I know Elan and their ways, so to believe they overstepped this one is not hard to believe. They lived for pressing the limits folks, Remember,Elan,???? Joe Ricci craved the spot light, good or bad, he took everyone to court for anything, and spent allot of time being taken to court, Joe was the poster child for Drama King and Queen. Joe just loved this whole thing and I think we all know it. Unfortunately Mike was the price of the show and stardom. I hope he get's out and gets his life back, somewhat..And can move past this, Fucked Up Joke Elan pulled on him that got, way out of hand. :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 30, 2010, 08:01:05 PM
          Michael Skakel Speaks from Prison Cell
          By Stephen M. Silverman
          Thursday May 01, 2003 03:02 PM EDT

          FacebookTwitterE-mailMichael Skakel's brother Stephen and sister Julie make the journey every week to the MacDougall-Walker Correctional Institution in Suffield, Conn, PEOPLE exclusively reports in its latest issue.

          But the person who the Kennedy cousin -- now serving 20 years to life for the bludgeoning death of his onetime neighbor, 15-year-old Martha Moxley, in her family's Greenwich yard on Oct. 30, 1975 -- says he would like to see most, his 4-year-old son George (with ex-wife Margot Sheridan), hasn't come to visit.

          The family believes it would be too upsetting for the youngster. And that is the punishment Skakel, 42, says he finds hardest to bear.

          In a series of written answers to questions posed by PEOPLE (his first lengthy communication since his conviction last June), Skakel, who maintains his innocence, says that from his first day behind bars he wept to God for mercy for himself and his son. "I did that every day," he said. "I do that still."

          From his prison cell, Skakel paints a family portrait of people who were as dysfunctional as they were wealthy. He says that when his mother, Anne, became ill with brain cancer in 1968, when he was 8, he was told instead that she had eaten some "bad shellfish."

          Later, he says, he was staggered when he saw she had lost her hair and gained a great deal of weight from the medical treatments. "I asked someone, 'What happened to her hair?' I was told it was 'bad' shampoo," he writes. "I stopped using shampoo (because) I did not want to look like my mom."

          When his mother finally succumbed to the cancer in 1973, the news came as a complete shock. Skakel says his father, Rushton Sr., an aloof and imperious man, simply announced to the seven kids one day, "Well, you know what happened, she's dead!"

          Recalls Michael: "I was so stunned I could not get out of my seat. When everybody left, I screamed
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 30, 2010, 08:10:10 PM
          Walker Prison Conn


          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... bRIq7i_MSg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBYQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.people.com%2Fpeople%2Farchive%2Farticle%2F0%2C%2C20140038%2C00.html&ei=9ySlTKSiDIuRjAfxtPSWDA&usg=AFQjCNH5zk9zRoo2yfPw3dXEbRIq7i_MSg)


          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... P2WJVB-hBA (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=11&ved=0CBoQFjAAOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.prisontalk.com%2Fforums%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D74387&ei=cSWlTNfCJ4PLnAeMrpSRAQ&usg=AFQjCNHaGoJKcVFavZVNpHDOP2WJVB-hBA)

          TV Broadcast,


          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=n ... n5YoQgfjyA (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=news&cd=2&ved=0CC8QqQIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wtnh.com%2Fdpp%2Fnews%2Fcrime%2Fskakel-appeal-ruling&ei=fialTLiAIs2nnQeam4CQAQ&usg=AFQjCNGLowM7cXq7j9qkTzz5n5YoQgfjyA)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on September 30, 2010, 08:19:34 PM
          Youtube





          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=v ... sFf9wSk8BA (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=video&cd=1&ved=0CDoQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dyu3cSYfC1R0&ei=dSelTJWSEo-knQft5OSQAQ&usg=AFQjCNGVn3KLJ0AkQif9e2iDsFf9wSk8BA)


          48 hours program below about the whole thing, it's good watching

          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=v ... jpHLe3XHJg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=video&cd=2&ved=0CD4QtwIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbsnews.com%2Fstories%2F2008%2F08%2F28%2F48hours%2Fmain4393805.shtml&ei=dSelTJWSEo-knQft5OSQAQ&usg=AFQjCNF3gItkhE4wgILSJfeBjpHLe3XHJg)


          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=v ... x3FouKqDtA (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=video&cd=7&ved=0CFIQtwIwBg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.necn.com%2FBoston%2FNew-England%2F2009%2F01%2F09%2FSkakel-appeals-Moxley-murder%2F1231506754.html&ei=dSelTJWSEo-knQft5OSQAQ&usg=AFQjCNEKx50SPc1AvXVQ6HdTx3FouKqDtA)


          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=v ... HNM5o18YWg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=video&cd=22&ved=0CDMQtwIwATgU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.clipsyndicate.com%2Fvideo%2Fplaylist%2F6523%2F1397519%3Ftitle%3Dmefeedia_full_feed&ei=ESilTPvBE4H_nAec85GRAQ&usg=AFQjCNFMG9AKgpyPPtx0dN05HNM5o18YWg)


          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=v ... gSSvwwAgSw (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=video&cd=7&ved=0CE8QtwIwBg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hulu.com%2Fwatch%2F173478%2Fdominick-dunne-after-the-party&ei=iSilTKabGJCengf2l82QAQ&usg=AFQjCNEBzl5rIPLkvWc57XT6gSSvwwAgSw)


          Some good footage
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB II on September 30, 2010, 09:27:30 PM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Michael Skakel Speaks from Prison Cell
          By Stephen M. Silverman
          Thursday May 01, 2003 03:02 PM EDT

          FacebookTwitterE-mailMichael Skakel's brother Stephen and sister Julie make the journey every week to the MacDougall-Walker Correctional Institution in Suffield, Conn, PEOPLE exclusively reports in its latest issue.

          But the person who the Kennedy cousin -- now serving 20 years to life for the bludgeoning death of his onetime neighbor, 15-year-old Martha Moxley, in her family's Greenwich yard on Oct. 30, 1975 -- says he would like to see most, his 4-year-old son George (with ex-wife Margot Sheridan), hasn't come to visit.

          The family believes it would be too upsetting for the youngster. And that is the punishment Skakel, 42, says he finds hardest to bear.

          In a series of written answers to questions posed by PEOPLE (his first lengthy communication since his conviction last June), Skakel, who maintains his innocence, says that from his first day behind bars he wept to God for mercy for himself and his son. "I did that every day," he said. "I do that still."

          From his prison cell, Skakel paints a family portrait of people who were as dysfunctional as they were wealthy. He says that when his mother, Anne, became ill with brain cancer in 1968, when he was 8, he was told instead that she had eaten some "bad shellfish."

          Later, he says, he was staggered when he saw she had lost her hair and gained a great deal of weight from the medical treatments. "I asked someone, 'What happened to her hair?' I was told it was 'bad' shampoo," he writes. "I stopped using shampoo (because) I did not want to look like my mom."

          When his mother finally succumbed to the cancer in 1973, the news came as a complete shock. Skakel says his father, Rushton Sr., an aloof and imperious man, simply announced to the seven kids one day, "Well, you know what happened, she's dead!"

          Recalls Michael: "I was so stunned I could not get out of my seat. When everybody left, I screamed


          Mike, I believe was the youngest. Where were all his sibling, "WHERE", no where. They all stayed away from this, they did not even show up at the trial. Some said because of media attention, bullshit, that is not why.
          Do I know without a shadow of a doubt that Mike did it, NO. I just have a strong gut feeling it comes down to Mike and Tom, they know exactly what happened.
          Thanks for all the posts of info, Mark. It is always appreciated.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 30, 2010, 10:34:45 PM
          I am sorry to inform you Art, John Higgins never actually got any money. His conscious got the best of him and he refused to accept any money.  
          Why are you sorry...
          geez Danny
          You can go on.......
          consequences of your stupid actions.. Interesting phrase.
          I am not going to debate the merits of being harrassed vs. being the harrasser. I think you have probably lost track of the back and forth nonesense.. as have I. I simply havent much to say to you. I'd like to like ya,and I have tried. But you are not worthy of any more of my attention (or anyone else').
          With respect to Michael. I think you oughta STFU.. but because I printed that.. You will do the opposite for days.
          Mr Higgins lives out here too Danny. I believe he is one of Mark's neighbors
          Your quote above lacks integrity about John. I dont believe it. But then (lol) "we been there before"
          Were you gonna show Mark where I said fornits would be closed down.. Cuz Im dying to see that quote too
          Didnt think so
          Like I said before. You have over 200 threads of space to feel free, and able, to be whomever you want to be. After all,this IS the internet. You are becoming famous for this.
          But dont bother me with your games

          ps sorry I was late getting back to you. Was with my friends !
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB II on September 30, 2010, 11:16:47 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          I am sorry to inform you Art, John Higgins never actually got any money. His conscious got the best of him and he refused to accept any money.  
          Why are you sorry...
          geez Danny
          You can go on.......
          consequences of your stupid actions.. Interesting phrase.
          I am not going to debate the merits of being harrassed vs. being the harrasser. I think you have probably lost track of the back and forth nonesense.. as have I. I simply havent much to say to you. I'd like to like ya,and I have tried. But you are not worthy of any more of my attention (or anyone else').
          With respect to Michael. I think you oughta STFU.. but because I printed that.. You will do the opposite for days.
          Mr Higgins lives out here too Danny. I believe he is one of Mark's neighbors
          Your quote above lacks integrity about John. I dont believe it. But then (lol) "we been there before"
          Were you gonna show Mark where I said fornits would be closed down.. Cuz Im dying to see that quote too
          Didnt think so
          Like I said before. You have over 200 threads of space to feel free, and able, to be whomever you want to be. After all,this IS the internet. You are becoming famous for this.
          But dont bother me with your games

          ps sorry I was late getting back to you. Was with my friends !


          Ok, all done with you. I thought we could all have a conversation about something interesting for a change but no, Art does not want participate. Well fine, then sit on the sidelines and watch Mark and myself talk.

          Oh, BTW I know exactly where John Higgins lives, like Harry Krannick he is a good friend of mine. Or should we call Harry and ask him Art. Go ahead call Harry, ask him about John.

          Art, your the only one that is lacking in information about this subject and the people involved. Yes we all know you were at Elan the same time Mike was there, which would also put you there when I was there. Albeit a short period of time, I left shortly after you got there.
          Art, be a good man and be nice to yourself and others.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on September 30, 2010, 11:58:23 PM
          What I find absolutely amazing is Art brings me up when I am obviously too busy to be here. Well, just popping in to tell you all a few things. I am home for a bit, but shall be back on my way again soon. As for Fornits...bahahahahaha I completely think this place is a fucken complete joke. If Art shuts it down...it will not bother me one fucking bit....go for it Pathetic Fruitcake...maybe then the truth will set you free....bahahahahahahah way funny..."They are liars I tell you, all liars" Art you are fucking crazy...get it crazy....do you hear voices too...I would not doubt it.

          Danny wipe the shit smear off your nose, your to far up PSY ass lately.


          Mark missed you buddy call me in the morning and let's touch base. Did you get the pictures I emailed from last week in the city?? It was a blast we shall have to do it again real soon. Mason was so thrilled to see you too.


          ARTY guess what I got four bands scheduled.... :seg:



          I think Dale should show up as well. Mark see what you can arrange..it is bound to be a great time.  :nods:


          Well goodnight looney land time for me to get some much deserved rest....
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 01, 2010, 07:04:48 AM
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          What I find absolutely amazing is Art brings me up when I am obviously too busy to be here. Well, just popping in to tell you all a few things. I am home for a bit, but shall be back on my way again soon. As for Fornits...bahahahahaha I completely think this place is a fucken complete joke. If Art shuts it down...it will not bother me one fucking bit....go for it Pathetic Fruitcake...maybe then the truth will set you free....bahahahahahahah way funny..."They are liars I tell you, all liars" Art you are fucking crazy...get it crazy....do you hear voices too...I would not doubt it.

          Danny wipe the shit smear off your nose, your to far up PSY ass lately.


          Mark missed you buddy call me in the morning and let's touch base. Did you get the pictures I emailed from last week in the city?? It was a blast we shall have to do it again real soon. Mason was so thrilled to see you too.


          ARTY guess what I got four bands scheduled.... :seg:



          I think Dale should show up as well. Mark see what you can arrange..it is bound to be a great time.  :nods:


          Well goodnight looney land time for me to get some much deserved rest....



          I got them Sharon and they turned out great.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on October 01, 2010, 07:15:49 AM
          Sharon
          I hope the event turns out great, and raises tons of cash for you and your family. I also hope Mason recovers quickly and you can put this whole thing behind you.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 01, 2010, 07:33:07 AM
          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... -xFhcjPsxg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=5&sqi=2&ved=0CCIQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fscribblguy.50megs.com%2Fskakel.htm&ei=vMWlTJWCCoKcnwfX7p2RAQ&usg=AFQjCNE-0V2uWy7BiO6YzDfT-xFhcjPsxg)




          Why can't Martha's real killer be brought to justice? BECAUSE CONNECTICUT'S COURTS ARE A RUBBER STAMP.

          "I had a club. I picked one up and swung it." - Tony Bryant

          In 2002, Michael Skakel was wrongfully convicted of killing Martha Moxley, 26 years in the past with a golf club. The State of Connecticut RAILROADED him in a desparate reaction to the public uproar over the book, "Murder In Greenwich", in which the author (convicted purjuror Mark Fuhrman) named Kennedy Cousin Michael Skakel as the killer. Hundreds of thousands of people read the book and became enraged at Michael Skakel, the Greenwich Police, and the Kennedies.

          What Mark Fuhrman refused to emphasize was that A NEGROID HAIR was found on the sheet used to wrap Martha's body, but it obviously does not match Michael Skakel's DNA. Michael Skakel is not African American, but new suspects Gitano "Tony" Bryant and Adolph Hasbrouck ARE.  In 2003, in a videotaped interview with an investigator, TONY BRYANT ADMITTED TO PICKING UP AND SWINGING A GOLF CLUB NEAR THE CRIME SCENE ON THE NIGHT OF THE MURDER. Tragically, SUSAN GILL, a major State's Attorney on the case, does not seem to think there is any reason to test the evidence to see if it matches Tony Bryant or Adolph Hasbrouck (the man Tony implicates). There is absolutely no physical evidence tying Michael Skakel to the murder. The prosecution ran a DNA analysis AT THE TIME OF THE TRIAL, and never once found any of Michael Skakel's DNA.  An FBI analysis showed that the African American hair did NOT come from the black police officer, nor did it come from any other known African Americans. Therefore, it must have come from Tony Bryant or Adolph Hasbrouck, whom the police did not know about until AFTER Michael Skakel's conviction.

          Looks like some money and motivation was involved

          Michael Skakel's wrongful conviction was a result of Mark Fuhrman's book, "Murder in Greenwich", and PAID WITNESSES*, some of whom had read the book. Most of the key witnesses had come forward in response to a reward, or to pressure from lead investigator Frank Garr who "cajoled, harrassed, or threatened" witneses (as stated by his close friend Len Levitt). At one point the reward was announced on Television, and it was increased to $100,000. The state's star witness was:


          Gregory Coleman: Gregory Coleman was a hard core heroin addict who had a $50,000 tax lien on his house in New York State. When he saw the reward on television, he decided to call the telephone number that flashed on his TV screen. He had gone to the Elan School with Michael Skakel. He knew that Michael Skakel was interrogated about the murder while at the school. He called the number, and gave some information to the television station, hoping to get the reward. Shortly thereafter, Frank Garr (Connecticut Investigator) tracked Coleman down and a deal was worked out for Gregory Coleman to testify. Gregory Coleman, in addition to qualifying for the reward money, was given A NARCOTIC DRUG WITH THE HELP ON THE GREENWICH POLICE the night before he testified in the Grand Jury hearing (he was going through Heroin withdrawal, having recently been released from a New York State prison, and threatened to go home if he did not get a fix). The morning after in court, Gregory Coleman testified that he had heard Michael Skakel confess to the murder, a statement that is likely to be completely false.

          The state called many other witnesses, but none claimed an outright confession quite like Gregory Coleman had claimed. John Higgins, who also testified for reward money, claimed that Michael Skakel made incriminating statements. His testimony, however, contains lies as described in Robert Kennedy's article, "A Miscarriage Of Justice". Reward money was likely John Higgin's motivation as well.

          In addition, many of the other witnesses aggressively assembled by the State had read Mark Fuhrman's compelling book, had been influenced by the media sensationalism surrounding the case, or had been "cajoled, harrassed, or threatened" by Frank Garr (see "Conviction").

          Mark Fuhrman's book was compelling because it focused on an artificial but sensational "Kennedy/Wealth Theme", and it also was based heavily on the "Sutton Reports". The Sutton Reports are a damn convincing work of fiction created by Sutton Associates, an investigative firm. What most people don't understand is that THE SUTTON REPORTS WERE INTENTIONALLY PREJUDICED AGAINST MICHAEL AND TOM SKAKEL. Under intense pressure from others, Rushton Skakel Sr (Michael's father). paid a large sum of money to Sutton Associates to get prejudicial reports on his children in case they were involved in the murder. Sutton Associates did NOT write a PREJUDICIAL report against Ken Littleton, however. A look at the actual police files would show Ken Littleton to be a much stronger suspect than the Skakels, but Sutton Associates wrote a pathetic report on Ken. It was especially pathetic given the evidence Former State Inspector Jack Solomon had against Ken. For example, WITHIN NINE MONTHS OF THE MURDER:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB II on October 01, 2010, 02:55:54 PM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=5&sqi=2&ved=0CCIQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fscribblguy.50megs.com%2Fskakel.htm&ei=vMWlTJWCCoKcnwfX7p2RAQ&usg=AFQjCNE-0V2uWy7BiO6YzDfT-xFhcjPsxg




          Why can't Martha's real killer be brought to justice? BECAUSE CONNECTICUT'S COURTS ARE A RUBBER STAMP.

          "I had a club. I picked one up and swung it." - Tony Bryant

          In 2002, Michael Skakel was wrongfully convicted of killing Martha Moxley, 26 years in the past with a golf club. The State of Connecticut RAILROADED him in a desparate reaction to the public uproar over the book, "Murder In Greenwich", in which the author (convicted purjuror Mark Fuhrman) named Kennedy Cousin Michael Skakel as the killer. Hundreds of thousands of people read the book and became enraged at Michael Skakel, the Greenwich Police, and the Kennedies.

          What Mark Fuhrman refused to emphasize was that A NEGROID HAIR was found on the sheet used to wrap Martha's body, but it obviously does not match Michael Skakel's DNA. Michael Skakel is not African American, but new suspects Gitano "Tony" Bryant and Adolph Hasbrouck ARE.  In 2003, in a videotaped interview with an investigator, TONY BRYANT ADMITTED TO PICKING UP AND SWINGING A GOLF CLUB NEAR THE CRIME SCENE ON THE NIGHT OF THE MURDER. Tragically, SUSAN GILL, a major State's Attorney on the case, does not seem to think there is any reason to test the evidence to see if it matches Tony Bryant or Adolph Hasbrouck (the man Tony implicates). There is absolutely no physical evidence tying Michael Skakel to the murder. The prosecution ran a DNA analysis AT THE TIME OF THE TRIAL, and never once found any of Michael Skakel's DNA.  An FBI analysis showed that the African American hair did NOT come from the black police officer, nor did it come from any other known African Americans. Therefore, it must have come from Tony Bryant or Adolph Hasbrouck, whom the police did not know about until AFTER Michael Skakel's conviction.

          Looks like some money and motivation was involved

          Michael Skakel's wrongful conviction was a result of Mark Fuhrman's book, "Murder in Greenwich", and PAID WITNESSES*, some of whom had read the book. Most of the key witnesses had come forward in response to a reward, or to pressure from lead investigator Frank Garr who "cajoled, harrassed, or threatened" witneses (as stated by his close friend Len Levitt). At one point the reward was announced on Television, and it was increased to $100,000. The state's star witness was:


          Gregory Coleman: Gregory Coleman was a hard core heroin addict who had a $50,000 tax lien on his house in New York State. When he saw the reward on television, he decided to call the telephone number that flashed on his TV screen. He had gone to the Elan School with Michael Skakel. He knew that Michael Skakel was interrogated about the murder while at the school. He called the number, and gave some information to the television station, hoping to get the reward. Shortly thereafter, Frank Garr (Connecticut Investigator) tracked Coleman down and a deal was worked out for Gregory Coleman to testify. Gregory Coleman, in addition to qualifying for the reward money, was given A NARCOTIC DRUG WITH THE HELP ON THE GREENWICH POLICE the night before he testified in the Grand Jury hearing (he was going through Heroin withdrawal, having recently been released from a New York State prison, and threatened to go home if he did not get a fix). The morning after in court, Gregory Coleman testified that he had heard Michael Skakel confess to the murder, a statement that is likely to be completely false.

          The state called many other witnesses, but none claimed an outright confession quite like Gregory Coleman had claimed. John Higgins, who also testified for reward money, claimed that Michael Skakel made incriminating statements. His testimony, however, contains lies as described in Robert Kennedy's article, "A Miscarriage Of Justice". Reward money was likely John Higgin's motivation as well.

          In addition, many of the other witnesses aggressively assembled by the State had read Mark Fuhrman's compelling book, had been influenced by the media sensationalism surrounding the case, or had been "cajoled, harrassed, or threatened" by Frank Garr (see "Conviction").

          Mark Fuhrman's book was compelling because it focused on an artificial but sensational "Kennedy/Wealth Theme", and it also was based heavily on the "Sutton Reports". The Sutton Reports are a damn convincing work of fiction created by Sutton Associates, an investigative firm. What most people don't understand is that THE SUTTON REPORTS WERE INTENTIONALLY PREJUDICED AGAINST MICHAEL AND TOM SKAKEL. Under intense pressure from others, Rushton Skakel Sr (Michael's father). paid a large sum of money to Sutton Associates to get prejudicial reports on his children in case they were involved in the murder. Sutton Associates did NOT write a PREJUDICIAL report against Ken Littleton, however. A look at the actual police files would show Ken Littleton to be a much stronger suspect than the Skakels, but Sutton Associates wrote a pathetic report on Ken. It was especially pathetic given the evidence Former State Inspector Jack Solomon had against Ken. For example, WITHIN NINE MONTHS OF THE MURDER:

          Don't know who is exactly behind this article you posted here Mark but the Sutton Report is and was authentic and it crippled Mike's chances of not being convicted. That report was not fabricated in the way this person said it was, his father Rushton allowed the investigators to look into this murder with no restraints. The report is what they found. One of the investigators was a close friend of Dominick Dunne (Vanity Fair Mag.), it was Dunne who contacted Furman to look into this murder. This murder was stalled, a cold case, Furman believe it or not brought credibility, which infused energy into the investigation again. Frank Garr the Detective on the case since the murder was overjoyed, he knew their were genuine clues inside the Skakle family but did not have the backing of the Greenwich politicians to pursue the leads, (Rushton was able to squash many leads).
          The Sutton Report, was I believe the Kennedy's hierarchy involvement, they wanted to know the truth. Well they got it, the whole Skakel and Kennedy family got the truth whether they wanted it or not.
          They can minimize that report all they want but it was this report that put Mike in prison.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on October 01, 2010, 04:13:06 PM
          Furman believe it or not brought credibility,
           
          Convicted of purgury and a known racist. Wonder what he got away with and was never convicted of or caught for

          One word Danny
          YAWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB II on October 01, 2010, 05:50:19 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Furman believe it or not brought credibility,
           
          Convicted of purgury and a known racist. Wonder what he got away with and was never convicted of or caught for

          One word Danny
          YAWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

          I don't disagree with your judgment but look at his book sales and their still selling. Dominick Dunne's backing did not hurt either, he was very familiar with the "social set" of Greenwich, CT. He sort of greased the skids for Mark.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 01, 2010, 06:17:52 PM
          http://lifeloom.com/II2Mroch.htm (http://lifeloom.com/II2Mroch.htm)

          A member of Mystery Writers of America and the Short Mystery Fiction Society, Courtney Mroch’s award-winning short stories have appeared in numerous zines. Her short story “Skin Ish Ca” (published by Orchard Press Mysteries in 2003) ranked #2 in the 2003 Preditors & Editors Reader Poll. Her e-book, Cellfish Ways, published by Echelon Press, is the publisher’s year-to-date #2 best-selling dollar download. Her first novel, Beneath the Morvan Moon, a romantic suspense with paranormal overtones, was recently released in trade paperback by PublishAmerica and as an ebook from Writers Exchange Electronic Publishing.


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          Defrosting a Cold Case:
          How Author Dominick Dunne Helped Catch a Killer
                      Sometimes murders go unsolved. Sometimes there are no suspects. Sometimes there is a suspect, but not enough evidence to pin a charge on him or her. Sometimes loved ones never get answers, comfort, or see justice delivered to the killers who robbed them of their husbands, wives, sons, or daughters.

                      In Greenwich, Connecticut, on October 30, 1975, Dorothy and David Moxley lost their daughter, Martha, when she was brutally beaten to death with a golf club. The murder weapon came from a set of clubs belonging to the Moxley's neighbors, the Skakels. One of the Skakel boys, Tommy, was the last person seen with Martha the night she died. He became a prime suspect, but no charges were ever filed against him. No charges were ever filed against anyone. It seemed the Moxleys would be damned to the horrible fate of never seeing their daughter's killer brought to justice.

                      On the night of October 30, 1975, known as Mischief Night in Martha's Greenwich neighborhood of Belle Haven, Martha's mom became suspicious when her daughter failed to come in at a decent time. It was a Thursday night, there was no school the next day, a perfect evening for kids to cut loose on the first night of a three-day weekend. Though Martha didn't have a specific curfew, she rarely abused the privilege by staying out until all hours. It wasn't until Martha's mom had exhausted all the neighbors' houses that she called police to report Martha missing at around 3:30 a.m.

                      What could be worse for parents than not knowing where their child is? The anxiety, the worry, the anger. Martha's mother quickly found out there were many things worse than not knowing where her child was. Shortly after noon on October 31, 1975, one of Martha's friends was cutting through Martha's backyard to check to see if there was any word yet. That's when she saw Martha's body under a tree, her jeans pulled down, a piece of the golf club used to kill her sticking out of her neck. (The attack had been so vicious the golf club had broken into four pieces, the handle of which was never found.)

                      Upon finding her daughter's body, Dorothy Moxley's nightmare escalated into something even worse – a living hell. Who would kill Martha? Why?

                      As in all homicide cases, an investigation was immediately underway. But this was more than a homicide case. This was a case of murder in a place where the wealthiest lived, a place where evil deeds like murder were not supposed to happen. Especially not to fifteen-year-old girls. Belle Haven was an exclusive, gated community, where people belonged to country clubs and yacht clubs. In murder mystery books it might make an intriguing setting for a murder, but in real life murder just was not supposed to happen here. And when it did, it went unsolved for nearly twenty-five years.

                      This horror trumps all others Dorothy Moxley felt – knowing her child had been slain, suspecting that either someone in her neighbor's house was the culprit or knew who was, and not having any way to prove it. Not being able to see justice done was hell on earth. .

                      Why couldn't police solve the case? They were more than capable of doing it, but did privilege, power, and money have a hand in it? Tommy Skakel, the prime suspect, was the son of Rushton Skakel, a Kennedy relative. Rushton, a widower whose wife had died in 1972, lived with his children, five boys and a daughter, across from the Moxleys. The Skakels were third generation Belle Haven residents. Old money. Staying power. The Moxleys had moved to Belle Haven only a year before, from California. It shouldn't have mattered who lived there longer, who was related to who, who had more money. Yet, somehow it did. (Even though to this day Greenwich police would deny otherwise.)

                      Having to look at the house where her daughter's killer might be living freely finally caused the Moxleys to relocate to New York. When her husband died, Dorothy Moxley moved to Annapolis, Maryland. It was there, in 1991, after sixteen years of learning to cope with the reality that finding Martha's killer was not meant to be, that she received a call from a man who had also had a daughter murdered. Though his case was no connection to hers, he felt he could help her. His name was Dominick Dunne, a writer who, at that time, had just had three best-selling novels made into successful television miniseries. After talking with Mrs. Moxley, he felt he could renew interest in her case by writing a book about it. Perhaps they could see justice done after all.

                      It was that chance meeting, Mr. Dunne taking the initiative to contact Mrs. Moxley, and her finally agreeing to meet with him, that set the ball in motion for a series of events that finally brought answers, a conviction, and justice.

                      Dominick Dunne's A Season of Purgatory was released in 1993. It was a work of fiction, but it was based on the events that happened in Greenwich, Connecticut on October 30, 1975. He changed the names, the characteristics of the Skakel family, and used a different murder weapon so as to avoid a lawsuit, but it was the Moxley murder. The CBS Evening News gave it a lot of exposure. Interest in the Martha Moxley cold case was rekindled.

                      During a book tour, Mr. Dunne was approached by an African American woman in the Tattered Cover bookstore in Denver, Colorado. She had crime scene photos of Martha's body, as she had once worked on the Greenwich Police force. She didn't want Dunne to use her name, so in his book, Justice: Crimes, Trials, and Punishments, he doesn't. However, she did assert upon the conclusion of their meeting that Tommy Skakel, the prime suspect, didn't do it. This stunned Dunne, because he was positive, based on the facts he knew then, that Tommy must have done it. .

                      In 1996, A Season of Purgatory, the television miniseries, aired. Seven months later, Dominick Dunne received crucial information from another informant, who also asked to remain anonymous. This information has since become known as the Sutton Report, a report compiled by a private detective Rushton Skakel hired to look into Martha Moxley's murder and his son's possible involvement. The report agreed with what the African American woman had told Dunne: Tommy Skakel most likely had not killed Martha Moxley. In all probability, his younger brother, Michael, age fifteen at the time of the murder, had.

                      Frank Garr, a Greenwich detective who had worked on the case since the beginning, attained a copy of the report, but nothing came of it. No charges were filed against Michael. The matter might have stayed closed if not for one more chance encounter.

                      Lucianne Goldberg, the literary agent for Mark Fuhrman (yes, from the infamous O.J. Simpson trial), called Dunne to ask if he had any leads on anything where Fuhrman could turn his detective skills. Fuhrman's first book, Murder in Brentwood, had turned out to be a success. Dunne knew just the topic and case for Fuhrman – the Moxley cold case.

                      Released in 1999, Fuhrman's Murder in Greenwich cast even more exposure on the case. Dunne asserts that it was Fuhrman's book that led to the grand jury indictment of Michael Skakel twenty-five years after Martha's murder. (And ultimately to Michael's conviction twenty-seven years later, on June 7, 2002, when he was sentenced to twenty years behind bars.) But would Fuhrman still have ended up being guided to the case if Dunne hadn't directed him there? It was Dunne's interest, after all, that had truly taken the Moxley cold case out of the freezer and laid it on the counter to thaw.

                      Dorothy Moxley's husband hadn't lived to see the day his daughter's killer was tried and convicted, but she had. There's no telling if her heart found peace afterwards or not, but at least the wondering was over. She hadn't been powerful enough on her own to bring Martha's killer to justice, but she certainly ended up having a lot of help. Starting with Dominick Dunne. Thanks to him, brave people, who were also variously connected to the case and wanted to see justice done, took the initiative to step forward with information they had. The combined effects caught a killer, and provided some measure of comfort to Martha's mother.

          Copyright 2004 by Courtney Mr
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          http://lifeloom.com/II2Mroch.htm

          A member of Mystery Writers of America and the Short Mystery Fiction Society, Courtney Mroch’s award-winning short stories have appeared in numerous zines. Her short story “Skin Ish Ca” (published by Orchard Press Mysteries in 2003) ranked #2 in the 2003 Preditors & Editors Reader Poll. Her e-book, Cellfish Ways, published by Echelon Press, is the publisher’s year-to-date #2 best-selling dollar download. Her first novel, Beneath the Morvan Moon, a romantic suspense with paranormal overtones, was recently released in trade paperback by PublishAmerica and as an ebook from Writers Exchange Electronic Publishing.


          Ms. Mroch lives in Jacksonville, Florida with her husband, Wayne Pryor, their cat, Mr. Meow, and dog, Murphy. To learn more, visit her website: courtneymroch.com. Direct correspondence to Courtney Mroch or to [email protected]

          Defrosting a Cold Case:
          How Author Dominick Dunne Helped Catch a Killer
                      Sometimes murders go unsolved. Sometimes there are no suspects. Sometimes there is a suspect, but not enough evidence to pin a charge on him or her. Sometimes loved ones never get answers, comfort, or see justice delivered to the killers who robbed them of their husbands, wives, sons, or daughters.

                      In Greenwich, Connecticut, on October 30, 1975, Dorothy and David Moxley lost their daughter, Martha, when she was brutally beaten to death with a golf club. The murder weapon came from a set of clubs belonging to the Moxley's neighbors, the Skakels. One of the Skakel boys, Tommy, was the last person seen with Martha the night she died. He became a prime suspect, but no charges were ever filed against him. No charges were ever filed against anyone. It seemed the Moxleys would be damned to the horrible fate of never seeing their daughter's killer brought to justice.

                      On the night of October 30, 1975, known as Mischief Night in Martha's Greenwich neighborhood of Belle Haven, Martha's mom became suspicious when her daughter failed to come in at a decent time. It was a Thursday night, there was no school the next day, a perfect evening for kids to cut loose on the first night of a three-day weekend. Though Martha didn't have a specific curfew, she rarely abused the privilege by staying out until all hours. It wasn't until Martha's mom had exhausted all the neighbors' houses that she called police to report Martha missing at around 3:30 a.m.

                      What could be worse for parents than not knowing where their child is? The anxiety, the worry, the anger. Martha's mother quickly found out there were many things worse than not knowing where her child was. Shortly after noon on October 31, 1975, one of Martha's friends was cutting through Martha's backyard to check to see if there was any word yet. That's when she saw Martha's body under a tree, her jeans pulled down, a piece of the golf club used to kill her sticking out of her neck. (The attack had been so vicious the golf club had broken into four pieces, the handle of which was never found.)

                      Upon finding her daughter's body, Dorothy Moxley's nightmare escalated into something even worse – a living hell. Who would kill Martha? Why?

                      As in all homicide cases, an investigation was immediately underway. But this was more than a homicide case. This was a case of murder in a place where the wealthiest lived, a place where evil deeds like murder were not supposed to happen. Especially not to fifteen-year-old girls. Belle Haven was an exclusive, gated community, where people belonged to country clubs and yacht clubs. In murder mystery books it might make an intriguing setting for a murder, but in real life murder just was not supposed to happen here. And when it did, it went unsolved for nearly twenty-five years.

                      This horror trumps all others Dorothy Moxley felt – knowing her child had been slain, suspecting that either someone in her neighbor's house was the culprit or knew who was, and not having any way to prove it. Not being able to see justice done was hell on earth. .

                      Why couldn't police solve the case? They were more than capable of doing it, but did privilege, power, and money have a hand in it? Tommy Skakel, the prime suspect, was the son of Rushton Skakel, a Kennedy relative. Rushton, a widower whose wife had died in 1972, lived with his children, five boys and a daughter, across from the Moxleys. The Skakels were third generation Belle Haven residents. Old money. Staying power. The Moxleys had moved to Belle Haven only a year before, from California. It shouldn't have mattered who lived there longer, who was related to who, who had more money. Yet, somehow it did. (Even though to this day Greenwich police would deny otherwise.)

                      Having to look at the house where her daughter's killer might be living freely finally caused the Moxleys to relocate to New York. When her husband died, Dorothy Moxley moved to Annapolis, Maryland. It was there, in 1991, after sixteen years of learning to cope with the reality that finding Martha's killer was not meant to be, that she received a call from a man who had also had a daughter murdered. Though his case was no connection to hers, he felt he could help her. His name was Dominick Dunne, a writer who, at that time, had just had three best-selling novels made into successful television miniseries. After talking with Mrs. Moxley, he felt he could renew interest in her case by writing a book about it. Perhaps they could see justice done after all.

                      It was that chance meeting, Mr. Dunne taking the initiative to contact Mrs. Moxley, and her finally agreeing to meet with him, that set the ball in motion for a series of events that finally brought answers, a conviction, and justice.

                      Dominick Dunne's A Season of Purgatory was released in 1993. It was a work of fiction, but it was based on the events that happened in Greenwich, Connecticut on October 30, 1975. He changed the names, the characteristics of the Skakel family, and used a different murder weapon so as to avoid a lawsuit, but it was the Moxley murder. The CBS Evening News gave it a lot of exposure. Interest in the Martha Moxley cold case was rekindled.

                      During a book tour, Mr. Dunne was approached by an African American woman in the Tattered Cover bookstore in Denver, Colorado. She had crime scene photos of Martha's body, as she had once worked on the Greenwich Police force. She didn't want Dunne to use her name, so in his book, Justice: Crimes, Trials, and Punishments, he doesn't. However, she did assert upon the conclusion of their meeting that Tommy Skakel, the prime suspect, didn't do it. This stunned Dunne, because he was positive, based on the facts he knew then, that Tommy must have done it. .

                      In 1996, A Season of Purgatory, the television miniseries, aired. Seven months later, Dominick Dunne received crucial information from another informant, who also asked to remain anonymous. This information has since become known as the Sutton Report, a report compiled by a private detective Rushton Skakel hired to look into Martha Moxley's murder and his son's possible involvement. The report agreed with what the African American woman had told Dunne: Tommy Skakel most likely had not killed Martha Moxley. In all probability, his younger brother, Michael, age fifteen at the time of the murder, had.

                      Frank Garr, a Greenwich detective who had worked on the case since the beginning, attained a copy of the report, but nothing came of it. No charges were filed against Michael. The matter might have stayed closed if not for one more chance encounter.

                      Lucianne Goldberg, the literary agent for Mark Fuhrman (yes, from the infamous O.J. Simpson trial), called Dunne to ask if he had any leads on anything where Fuhrman could turn his detective skills. Fuhrman's first book, Murder in Brentwood, had turned out to be a success. Dunne knew just the topic and case for Fuhrman – the Moxley cold case.

                      Released in 1999, Fuhrman's Murder in Greenwich cast even more exposure on the case. Dunne asserts that it was Fuhrman's book that led to the grand jury indictment of Michael Skakel twenty-five years after Martha's murder. (And ultimately to Michael's conviction twenty-seven years later, on June 7, 2002, when he was sentenced to twenty years behind bars.) But would Fuhrman still have ended up being guided to the case if Dunne hadn't directed him there? It was Dunne's interest, after all, that had truly taken the Moxley cold case out of the freezer and laid it on the counter to thaw.

                      Dorothy Moxley's husband hadn't lived to see the day his daughter's killer was tried and convicted, but she had. There's no telling if her heart found peace afterwards or not, but at least the wondering was over. She hadn't been powerful enough on her own to bring Martha's killer to justice, but she certainly ended up having a lot of help. Starting with Dominick Dunne. Thanks to him, brave people, who were also variously connected to the case and wanted to see justice done, took the initiative to step forward with information they had. The combined effects caught a killer, and provided some measure of comfort to Martha's mother.

          Copyright 2004 by Courtney Mr

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          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuhrman_tapes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuhrman_tapes)




          Fuhrman tapes
          From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
          The Fuhrman tapes are 13 hours of taped interviews given by Los Angeles police officer Mark Fuhrman to writer Laura McKinny between 1985 and 1994. The tapes include many racist slurs and remarks made by Fuhrman, and portions of the tapes were admitted into evidence during the O. J. Simpson murder trial.

          Contents [hide]
          1 Creation of tapes
          2 Role in O.J. Simpson murder trial
          3 Excerpts from Fuhrman tapes
          4 References
          5 External links
          [edit]Creation of tapes

          Laura McKinny was interested in writing a screenplay and a novel about the experience of women police officers. After learning that Fuhrman was a Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) officer and had strong views about the employment of women as LAPD officers, McKinny engaged Fuhrman as a consultant to provide background information about the reality of the experiences of LAPD officers and to serve as a technical advisor in the development of a screenplay.

          [edit]Role in O.J. Simpson murder trial

          Fuhrman was the officer who found both gloves, much of the blood drops in the dark and who entered Simpson's estate grounds without a search warrant due to exigent circumstances. Only very limited excerpts of the tapes were admitted as evidence in the 1995 murder trial against O.J. Simpson, yet the admitted portions were strong enough to cast doubts on Fuhrman's motives and credibility.

          [edit]Excerpts from Fuhrman tapes

          Among the portions that were admitted were the following:[1]

          ( ...speaking of changes in composition of L.A.P.D.).
          "That we've got females ...and dumb niggers, and all your Mexicans that can't even write the name of the car they drive."
          (McKinny Transcript No. 1, p.11.)

          ( ...speaking of the physical risks to officers).
          "If I'm wrestling around with some ___ nigger, and he gets me in my back, and he gets his hands on my gun. It's over."
          (McKinny Transcript No. 1, p. 12)

          ( ...describing arrest of a suspect).
          "She was afraid. He was a big nigger, and she was afraid."
          (McKinny Transcript No. 1, p. 20)

          (...explaining arrest of a suspect in Westwood).
          "He was a nigger. He didn't belong. Two questions. And you are going: Where do you live? 22nd and Western. Where were you going? Well, I'm going to Fatburger. Where's Fatburger. He didn't know where Fatburger was? Get in the car."
          (McKinny Transcript No. 1, p.33)

          (...commenting on L.A. P. D. politics).
          "Commander Hickman, was a dickhead. He should be shot. He did that for one thing. He wants to be chief, so he wants the city council, and the police commissioner, and all these niggers in L.A. City government and all of 'em should be lined up against a wall and fuckin' shot."
          (McKinny Transcript No. 1, p.41)

          (...discussing American aid to drought victims in Ethiopia).
          "You know these people here, we got all this money going to Ethiopia for what. To feed a bunch of dumb wild ape niggers that their own government won't even feed."
          (McKinny Transcript No. 1, p. 44)

          (...discussing where he grew up in the state of Washington).
          "People there don't want niggers in their town. People there don't want Mexicans in their town. They don't want anybody but good people in their town, and anyway you can do to get them out of there that's fine with them. We have no niggers where I grew up."
          (McKinny Transcript No. 1, p.45)

          ( ...speaking of women as training officers).
          "When I came on the job all my training officers were big guys and knowledgeable, some nigger'd get in their face, they just spin 'em around, choke 'em out until they dropped."
          (McKinny Transcript No. 1., p. 47)

          (...discussing use of chokehold by L.A.P.D.).
          "No, we have to eliminate a choke hold because a bunch of niggers down in the south end of L.A. said this is bad."
          (McKinny Transcript No. 1., p. 49)

          [edit]References

          ^ Excerpts from the Fuhrman tapes, http://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/www/Info/fuhrman.html (http://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/www/Info/fuhrman.html)
          [edit]External links

          Site at MIT with information on Fuhrman tapes
          PBS Documentary on OJ Trial
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          Witnesses   
          Traci Adell · Michael Baden · Denise Brown · Pablo Fenjves · Mark Fuhrman · Fred Goldman · Kato Kaelin · Henry Lee · Faye Resnick
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          The Boy Next DoorBy Patrick Rogers
          Kennedy Kin Michael Skakel Faces Charges in the Martha Moxley Murder
          FacebookTwitterE-mail Dorthy Moxley had nothing special planned for Jan. 18–tennis with friends in the morning, bridge in the afternoon–until a 9:30 a.m. phone call brought news she had waited more than 24 years to hear: Frank Garr, an inspector with the Connecticut state's attorney's office, told her there would be a major announcement concerning the long-unresolved investigation of the death of Moxley's 15-year-old daughter, Martha, whose savage 1975 murder outside the family's Greenwich, Conn., home has been generating headlines ever since.

          "Oh, Frank, I'm not going to be disappointed, am I?" implored Moxley, 67. "No," said Garr, "I think you'll be pleased."

          Moxley settled into a chair in her Chatham, N.J., living room and looked up at an oil portrait of her daughter, forever young, blonde and smiling. "Martha, we're getting him," she said through bittersweet tears. "We're going to get him."

          The next day, the announcement was made that the Moxleys' onetime Greenwich neighbor Michael Skakel, 39, had been charged with Martha's murder. Skakel, a nephew of Ethel Kennedy, turned himself in to police in Greenwich later that day and was released on $500,000 bond to return to his home in wealthy Hobe Sound, Fla.

          Skakel, speaking through his lawyer, maintains his innocence, as he has since he was first questioned by police nearly a quarter century ago. His good character is vouched for by, among others, his first cousin Douglas Kennedy, 32, son of Robert and Ethel Kennedy and a reporter with FOX News Channel. "Michael is one of the most honest and open people I know," says Kennedy. "He cares about people more than anybody I've ever met, and there is no possible way he's involved in this."

          Proving who was involved in the Moxley murder will present staggering difficulties to the prosecution. Greenwich police, deferential to local gentry such as the Skakels, never searched the Skakel house thoroughly after the killing–though the golf club with which Martha was bludgeoned belonged to the family–and also failed to properly secure the crime scene. Consequently, there is little physical evidence upon which a case might be built. Yet a 1996 episode of the TV show Unsolved Mysteries led to new information and helped prompt the impaneling in 1998 of a one-man grand jury in the person of Connecticut Superior Court Judge George Thim. He heard testimony from 53 witnesses, including former residents of a pricey drug-and-alcohol rehab facility where Skakel allegedly discussed his role in the Moxley murder while under treatment in the late '70s.

          The case is further complicated by the fact that Skakel was 15 at the time of Moxley's murder and will face trial as a juvenile unless state attorneys persuade a judge to move the proceedings to superior court. Frank Garr, who was a patrolman with the Greenwich police in 1975, concedes, "An arrest is just the first step. We have a long road ahead."

          For Dorthy Moxley, the road has already been long. She saw her daughter for the last time on Oct. 30, 1975, the day before Halloween, as Martha, bundled against the cold in her blue down jacket, happily set off to engage in a few pre-Halloween pranks with other kids from the neighborhood. "She's with me all the time," says Moxley. "I'll open my recipe book, and there will be a card that she wrote out for lemon squares. I'll open a box of stationery, and there's a Mother's Day card she made for me."

          Dorthy saw no reason to fear for Martha's safety that evening. Belle Haven, the Greenwich neighborhood where the Moxleys had moved from Piedmont, Calif., 16 months earlier, was an enclave of big houses, pampered lawns and streets guarded by a private security detail. The Moxleys–Dorthy, her late husband, David, an accountant, and their two children, Martha and John, then 17–felt at home among their new neighbors. The presence of the Kennedy-connected Skakels–Michael's father, Rushton, is Ethel Kennedy's older brother–only enhanced the neighborhood's atmosphere of exclusivity and privilege. Rushton Skakel had recently recommended David Moxley for membership at Manhattan's University Club.

          Probably no place in Greenwich or in all of Connecticut seemed safer than Belle Haven, yet Martha never came home that night. Dorthy waited anxiously by a window in the library of the family's sprawling Spanish-style house. Before dawn her concern had turned to panic. That afternoon Martha's body was found hidden beneath the low branches of an evergreen on the Moxley property. Lying facedown with her jeans and underwear near her ankles, Martha had been beaten with such force that the six-iron golf club used in the attack had shattered into three parts, one of which had been driven through her neck.

          The discovery in the Skakel house of a set of matching clubs with a missing six-iron immediately cast suspicion on the Moxleys' neighbors. Tommy Skakel, then 17, the third of Rushton Skakel's seven children by his first wife, Ann, who had died of cancer in 1973, was known to have had a crush on Martha–Tommy kept trying to get to "first and second base," the teenager had written in her diary–and was the last person seen with her before she was killed. He insisted then, as he does now, that he didn't murder Moxley. Another member of the Skakel household, live-in tutor Kenneth Littleton, then 23, also fell under scrutiny but was eventually dropped from the list of suspects because no evidence or motive linked him to the crime.

          From the beginning, Dorthy Moxley kept a certain distance from the brutal facts of the investigation. "I never knew which tree Martha was found under or where things happened," she says. "I thought if I did not know, it wouldn't hurt so much." For a time, the Moxleys remained friendly with the Skakels and even once visited the family's ski lodge in Windham, N.Y. But relations soured when the Skakels stopped cooperating with police in 1976, by which time Tommy Skakel had emerged as the prime suspect.

          Soon the Moxleys could no longer bear living in their big house in Belle Haven. "We were convinced that whoever killed Martha had to have been someone who lived across the street at the Skakels'," says Dorthy. The family moved to Manhattan, then, in 1986, to Annapolis, Md. Two years later, David Moxley, who rarely spoke of his daughter's murder, died of a heart attack at age 57. "I think the fact that he kept everything inside added to his early demise," says Dorthy, who herself fell into a deep depression.

          Back in Greenwich, where police had scant experience with serious crime, the Moxley investigation meandered along inconclusively. By and large, the Skakels, even while shadowed by suspicion, managed to get on with their lives–all of them, that is, except Michael, a troubled child who struggled with dyslexia and drank heavily in his teens. According to Greenwich native Timothy Dumas, whose account of the Moxley murder, Greentown, was published in 1998, Skakel had a short temper and was reputed to have beaten squirrels to death with a golf club.

          One family member, who prefers to go unnamed, says Michael's problems date back to his mother's death. "He was never told what was happening," says the source. "His mom was taken away to the hospital, and the next thing he knew, she was dead." In 1978 Michael was arrested for drunk driving after a high-speed chase in Upstate New York. He was sent by his father–himself a heavy drinker who relied largely on servants to raise his children–to the Elan School in Poland Spring, Maine, a private facility then specializing in turning around the lives of troubled rich kids through tough love and discipline.

          By all accounts, Elan was a bad fit for Skakel, who ran away several times. According to a written proposal for a book about his life (titled Dead Man Talking) that Skakel and a ghostwriter circulated among publishers a couple of years ago, Skakel wore a sign reading "Confront me on why I killed my friend Martha" during his time at Elan. He left the school after two years and spent much of the '80s on the golf course, on ski slopes and in and out of rehab clinics. Supported by his father, he competed on the international speed skiing circuit and came close to qualifying for a U.S. demonstration team that took part in the 1992 winter Olympics in Albertville, France.

          Friends at the time describe Skakel as gentle and generous. "When I was training, he helped me a great deal," says Kazunaga Kusumi, now 33, a member of the Japanese Olympic team. "He'd share his equipment, which is really rare for a competitor." In the early '90s, Skakel married golf pro Margot Sheridan, now 36, and settled in the affluent Boston suburb of Cohasset, Mass., near Skakel's cousin Michael Kennedy, who would die in an Aspen ski accident in 1997. In 1993, at age 32, Skakel earned his bachelor's degree from Curry College in Milton, Mass., and went on to work as a driver for Ted Kennedy's 1994 reelection campaign.

          For a time, it seemed that Skakel had slipped free of the long shadow of the Moxley case. But in 1991, another Kennedy cousin, William Kennedy Smith, was tried in West Palm Beach, Fla., on rape charges. Smith, then 30, was acquitted, but his trial spurred rumors that he had been at the Skakel home on the night of the Moxley murder. The rumors proved false, but in an effort to clear his family's name once and for all, Rushton Skakel hired a team of private investigators, Sutton Associates, to examine the facts of the Moxley case once again.

          This, evidently, was a disastrous miscalculation. In interviews with Sutton investigators–later leaked to New York City reporter Leonard Levitt, Connecticut cops and the authors of three books–both Tommy and Michael Skakel drastically altered their accounts of events on the night of Oct. 30, 1975. Tommy, who originally claimed he and Moxley had briefly flirted on the lawn before he last saw her walking toward her house at 9:30 p.m., now told the Sutton team that he and Martha had been masturbating each other before parting at around 10 p.m. Michael, who had told cops he was far from the scene at a cousin's house, now added that, after returning home, he climbed a tree, where he too masturbated, outside Moxley's bedroom.

          The Skakels' bizarre disclosures and the apparent revision of their stories heightened interest in the case once again. Disgraced former Los Angeles police detective Mark Fuhrman, famous for his role in the O.J. Simpson trial, investigated the facts of the case and came up with his own theory: that the Skakel who had killed Martha Moxley was Michael, not Tommy. "One, the murder weapon came from the Skakel home," says Fuhrman, who detailed his hypothesis in his 1998 book Murder in Greenwich. "Two, the Skakel boys were the last ones to see her alive. Three, Michael lied to police, which eliminated him as a suspect in 1975. Then he told a different story–a whopper of a story–in 1992 that put himself all over the murder scene."

          Fuhrman also says he talked to former Elan School students who claim Michael Skakel admitted involvement in the murder–a claim Michael's counsel, Mickey Sherman, a frequent TV legal analyst, dismisses as unfounded hearsay.

          Since 1998, when Connecticut investigators at last compiled enough evidence to convene the grand jury that would lead to the murder charge, Skakel, his wife and their son George, now 14 months old, have lived largely incommunicado in a condo in a gated community in Hobe Sound, close to the home of Michael's father. Friends seeing Michael's picture today are shocked by his gray hair, not long ago blond, and the extra pounds he now carries on his formerly athletic frame. "This has ruined his life," says a relative, referring to the Moxley case.

          Yet one person's ordeal may be another's deliverance. Dorthy Moxley, who derives her greatest pleasure from her remaining family–son John, 41, a Manhattan real estate executive, his wife, Kara, and their two children, Caroline, 8, and David, 6–says she is at last ready to confront the full facts of her daughter's murder. "I am definitely going to this trial," she vows. "Wild horses couldn't keep me away."

          Patrick Rogers
          Jennifer Longley in Greenwich

          Contributors:Jennifer Longley
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 01, 2010, 06:49:05 PM
          The Moxley Murder Case Timeline *
          Go the Most Current date at the Bottom of Page.
          Revised: June 11, 2002
          * Bibliography
          October 30, 1975:
          Martha and some friends went out for an evening of "mischief night" pranks before stopping at the home of Tommy and Michael Skakel.
          Martha was due home around 10:00 PM; She never comes home.
          Martha's family, neighbors, friends and the Greenwich Police begin searching for Martha around midnight. Dorthy Moxley waits up all night for Martha to return home.
          October 31, 1975: The search continues throughout the night. Greenwich Police begin considering Martha's disappearance as a possible run-away.
          4:00 AM: Greenwich Police search Belle Haven.
          6:00 AM: John Moxley returns home from his search.
          10:00 AM: Dorthy Moxley went to the Skakel home looking for Martha and speaks to Michael.
          12:15 PM: While walking through the Moxley's backyard, 15-year-old Sheila McGuire finds Martha dead under a pine tree. The murder weapon was a golf club, which was later matched to a set owned by the Skakel family.
          12:30 PM: Police arrive at the crime scene.
          4:00 PM: GPD requests the Connecticut State Police Mobile Crime Scene Lab.
          4:30 PM: C.S.P. Crime Scene Lab arrives.
          5:30 PM: Martha's body is moved to Greenwich Hospital.
          5:40 PM: Tommy Skakel is taken to the Greenwich station for questioning; he returns home at 10:30 PM.
          November 1, 1975: Dr. Elliot Gross conducts an autopsy concluding that Martha was killed with a golf club.
          November 2, 1975: Greenwich detectives remove a set of golf clubs matching the murder weapon from the Skakel home. Greenwich Police put out a nationwide APB for a missing portion of the golf club.
          November 3, 1975: Tommy Skakel is given a polygraph test. The results were inconclusive.
          November 4, 1975: More than 500 people attend Martha's funeral in Greenwich surrounded by onlookers and the media.
          November 9, 1975: Tommy Skakel is given a 2nd polygraph test and reportedly passes.
          November 10, 1975: Greenwich Police conduct an extensive background check on Ken Littleton.
          November 15, 1975: Detectives re-interview the Skakel's, Andrea Shakespeare, Jim Terrien and Helen Ix.
          November 21, 1975: Ed Hammond is given a polygraph test and passes.
          November 24, 1975: Greenwich Police ask a New York City Area Dry Cleaners Association to report any blood stained clothing.
          December 2, 1975: Greenwich Police ask all Fairfield County Dry Cleaners to report any blood stained clothing received since the crime.
          December 2, 1975: John Moxley is given a polygraph test and passes.
          December 9, 1975: John Skakel is given a polygraph test and passes.
          December 11, 1975: Greenwich Police search the Skakel's Windham, NY residence with Rushton Skakel's Permission.
          December 12, 1975: Greenwich Police receive the autopsy report from Dr. Gross.
          December 13, 1975: Detectives re-interview Tommy Skakel and take hair samples.
          December 17, 1975: Dorthy Moxley is given a polygraph test. The results are inconclusive.
          January 16, 1976: Detectives receive written permission from Rushton Skakel to obtain Tommy's school, medical and psychological records.
          January 20, 1976: Greenwich Police are contacted by Chris Roosevelt of the Whitby School. He tells them that he will NOT release Tommy's school records without first speaking to the Skakel's. He also states that if Tommy was arrested, he would be defended by a battery of lawyers who would claim the boy was "temporarily insane".
          January 22, 1976: Rushton Skakel formally WITHDRAWS permission to release Tommy's school records. Later that day Rushton collapses with chest pains and is rushed to Greenwich Hospital where he informs detectives that he has retained Manny Margolis as Tommy's criminal attorney.
          January 25, 1976: David Moxley sets up a meeting between Police and his friend John McCreight a consultant who wants Greenwich Police to bring in outside help.
          January 28, 1976: Detectives request to permission re-interview Ed Hammond.
          January 30, 1976: Attorney Manny Margolis advises Police that he has advised the Skakel's NOT to talk with police.
          February 4-7, 1976: Detectives go to Detroit, MI to get advice from Detroit Police on the case.
          February 9, 1976: Detectives go to Brunswick School to try and get a written statement from Ken Littleton - Littleton is unavailable.
          February 18, 1976: Detectives meet with Skakel family advisors Fr. Tommy Guinan and Fr. Mark Connolly concerning medical and psychological tests they would like perform.
          February 25, 1976: Detectives meet with Rushton Skakel, Fr. Mark Connolly and Attorney Manny Margolis concerning medical and psychological tests they would like perform.
          March 3, 1976: Attorney Manny Margolis informs detectives that his client will NOT COMPLY and be tested.
          March 5, 1976: Ed Hammond and his mother are re-interviewed.
          March 15, 1976: Tommy Skakel is given a psychological exam in NYC under a false name.
          March 16, 1976: Greenwich Police consult with Nassau County Police on the case.
          March 25, 1976: Donald Browne holds a press conference and states they are frustrated by an unnamed family's lack of cooperation. He does not identify the family.
          March 28, 1976: Rushton Skakel tells the Moxley's that Tommy has passed a psychological exam but refuses to give the results to police on advice of council.
          March 31, 1976: Two Detroit detectives arrive in Greenwich to assist with the investigation.
          April 2, 1976: Detroit detectives interview Robert and Mildred Ix.
          April 5, 1976: Greenwich Police attempt to re-interview Ken Littleton - he declines.
          April 7, 1976: Ken Littleton refuses to talk to detectives and refuses to sign a statement about Tommy Skakel.
          April 13, 1976: Ken Littleton retains Attorney John Meerbergen and notifies police.
          April 15, 1976: Police talk to witnesses regarding the barking dog the night of the murder.
          April 16, 1976: Police check with Animal Control looking for "barking dog complaints" the night of the murder.
          April 22, 1976: Detectives re-interview Ken Littleton with his lawyer present.
          April 30, 1976: Tommy Skakel admitted to Greenwich Hospital.
          May 11, 1976: Skakel's receive a full psychological report on Tommy Skakel from Dr. Lesse.
          September 2, 1976: The Moxley's attorney informs police that the Skakel's have agreed to have Dr. Lesse speak to a doctor for the Moxley's.
          October 18, 1976: Ken Littleton fails a polygraph test.
          October 19, 1976: Ken Littleton tells police that his attorney has advised him not to submit himself for tests.
          October 21, 1976: Detectives meet with attorney Margolis and tell him they would like to re-interview the Skakel's regarding Ken Littleton. Margolis is given a list of questions.
          October 30, 1976: Detectives do an overnight stakeout of the murder scene.
          November 9, 1976: Attorney Margolis contacts police with a list of answers regarding Ken Littleton.
          November 12, 1976: Police do a background check on Ken Littleton.
          March 3, 1977: The Moxley's attorney tells police that they have arranged a doctor to review Tommy Skakel's file.
          May 1977: Ken Littleton is given 5-7 years suspended sentence for burglary charges in Nantucket, Mass. Littleton refuses to submit to a sodium amytal interview in return for reduced charges.
          October 30, 1977: Detectives again do an overnight stakeout of the murder scene.
          December 12, 1977: Detectives travel to Vermont where Tommy Skakel is attending school to obtain information.
          December 14, 1977: Detectives travel to Boston to speak with Ken Littleton's Probation Officer.
          March 5, 1978: Michael Skakel is arrested in Windham, NY on charges of unlicensed operation of a motor vehicle, speeding, failure to comply with an officer and DWI.
          June 1978: Tommy Skakel is expelled from college for academic reasons.
          October 17, 1978: Governor Ella Grasso authorizes a $20,000 reward.
          October 28, 1978: Greenwich Police meet with a psychic who contacted them regarding dreams.
          October 30, 1978: Detectives again do an overnight stakeout of the murder scene.
          Mid-November 1978: Michael Skakel escapes from the Elan School and is returned a few days later.
          November 29, 1978: Michael Skakel escapes from the Elan School again.
          December 12, 1978: Michael Skakel escapes from the Elan School again.
          October 30, 1979: Detectives again do an overnight stakeout of the murder scene.
          October 30, 1980: Detectives again do an overnight stakeout of the murder scene.
          July 31, 1981: Police contact a second psychic about the case.
          September 27, 1981: Police meet with the second psychic about the case.
          October 30, 1981: Detectives again do an overnight stakeout of the murder scene.
          July 13, 1982: Greenwich Time newspaper requests to see the investigation reports.
          July 20, 1982: Police DENY the request.
          August 6, 1982: Greenwich Time newspaper "formally" requests to see the investigation reports under the "Freedom Of Information Act".
          October 4, 1982: Police request to see and edit Len Levitt's Greenwich Time article before publication. Their request is denied.
          October 30, 1982: Detectives again do an overnight stakeout of the murder scene.
          December 9, 1982: An FOI hearing is conducted regarding the police reports.
          January 5, 1983: Detectives talk to Ken Littleton who states he has been talking to reporter Len Levitt. He also states that he is now willing to undergo tests to prove his innocence.
          May 11, 1983: FOI Committee decides that police must hand over selected parts of the police report.
          Summer 1983: Len Levitt's article is written on the case - Greenwich Time and Stamford Advocate REFUSES to publish it (so it sits on the self).
          In 1988: Martha's father, David Moxley, dies unexpectedly in New York City. Mr. Moxley is buried in Greenwich next to Martha.
          April 30, 1991: Greenwich police and the State of Connecticut announce that they are reinvestigating evidence in the case.
          June 2, 1991: Len Levitt's article is published in the Greenwich Time under the headline "Moxley Murder Case Still Haunts Greenwich".
          August 9, 1991: The Moxley family increases the reward to $50,000. They also set up a toll-free telephone number to assist in an announced reinvestigation by the State Attorney's office by Frank Garr and Jack Solomon.
          SOMETIME IN 1991: The Skakel's hire Sutton Associates to investigate the murder.
          1993: The book "A Season in Purgatory," by Dominick Dunne, is published.
          October 1993: Dr. Henry Lee submits his findings to the Greenwich Police, the report is 6 inches thick.
          January 5, 1994: At a press conference, Jack Solomon admits that there is nothing new in the investigation at this point - he also blames the Skakel family for not cooperating.
          September 30, 1994: Frank Garr retires from the Greenwich Police to work as an investigator for the State Attorney's Office. He is assigned full time on the Moxley Case.
          November 26, 1995: Len Levitt writes an article for "Newsday Magazine" in which he states that Tommy Skakel has changed his story about what he was doing the night of the murder.
          June 19, 1996: The Moxley's double the reward money to $100,000.
          October 1996: Evidence is taken to Washington D.C. to the Defense Department for DNA testing.
          June 1998: Superior Court Judge George Thim starts an 18-month, one man grand jury review of information gathered by Frank Garr and the State Attorney's office.
          Spring - Summer 1998: The books "Greentown" by Timothy Dumas and "Murder in Greenwich," by former Los Angeles Police Detective Mark Fuhrman, are published.
          September 1998: www.MarthaMoxley.com (http://www.MarthaMoxley.com) goes online.
          November 1998: The grand jury interviewed more than 30 witnesses in connection the case. Some reportedly are former residents and staff of the Elan School in Poland Springs, Maine. At the same time counsel for Michael Skakel, headed by Stamford based defense attorney Michael Sherman, has made a motion to suppress all testimony from staff and residents of the Elan School citing "doctor - patient confidentiality".
          December 10, 1998: In his ruling, Superior Court Judge Edward Stodolink stated that the owner of the center, where the state alleges former Greenwich resident Michael Skakel may have made admissions as to the murder, must give grand jury testimony.
          March 11, 1999: Suffolk County (New York) Judge Michael Mullen ruled that private investigator, Willis Krebs must appear before the grand jury in Bridgeport.
          March 24, 1999: When Krebs appeared before the grand jury, Willis Krebs refused to divulge those names on the basis that it was confidential information, but was later ordered to do so.
          July 28, 1999: A Florida appeals court ruled that Rushton Skakel, the father of Michael and Tommy Skakel, was ordered to testify before the Connecticut grand jury investigating the Moxley Case.
          August 5, 1999: The state Appellate Court has reversed a state Superior Court judge's order that a drug and alcohol rehabilitation center's owner must testify what he knows about admissions a suspect allegedly made concerning the Martha Moxley murder. It remains unclear, however, whether the Appellate Court decision would affect testimony the grand jury has already heard from others who attended the rehab center with Skakel.
          September 9, 1999: Rushton Skakel Sr. spends over an hour answering a grand jury's questions about what he might know concerning his sons' possible involvement in the 1975 murder. In addition the grand jury is still looking for testimony from James (Dowdle) Terrin, cousin of Michael and Tommy Skakel, who was with the Skakel brothers the night of the murder.
          December 10, 1999: The Grand Jury officially ended its investigation. By law, Judge Thim had a maximum of three, six-month terms to complete his investigation. His final term ended on Friday December 10. Judge Thim had 60 days to say whether he believes there is enough evidence to make an arrest. The prosecutors office is not bound by his decision. Even if Judge Thim finds probable cause for an arrest, prosecutors may decide there is not enough evidence for them to win a conviction.
          January 19, 2000: 9:00 AM: At a news conference which was held in Bridgeport, Connecticut, prosecutors announced that an arrest warrant had been issued for an unnamed juvenile. Attorney Mickey Sherman told reporters that his client, Michael Skakel, was on his way to Connecticut to surrender to authorities. 3:00 PM: Greenwich, CT, Michael Skakel surrendered to Greenwich Police. Skakel was charged as a juvenile. The Skakel family posts $500,000 bail and he is released.
          February 8, 2000: At what could only be described as a 'media circus', Michael Skakel was scheduled to appear in Stamford Juvenile Court for arraignment. But, Juvenile Court Judge Maureen Dennis decided to postpone his arraignment on murder charges until March 14, reportedly so she can look into whether to open the proceedings to the news media.
          March 10, 2000: Judge Maureen Dennis rules on a request from five newspapers and The Associated Press which had asked to open the juvenile proceeding to the public. The judge agreed to allow press coverage and moved the arraignment to Stamford Superior Court, Tuesday March 14th.
          March 14, 2000: In a four-minute court appearance, Skakel heard the charges against him read aloud and was advised of his Constitutional rights. Because this is a juvenile case, Michael Skakel was entitled to a "reasonable cause" hearing, which was held on June 20, 21 and 28, 2000.
          When leaving court, Michael Skakel approached Dorthy and John Moxley and said "I feel your pain," Skakel followed with "but you've got the wrong guy." John Moxley said he told Skakel, "We'll find out in court."
          June 20, 21 and 28, 2000: Michael Skakel appeared for a "Probable Cause Hearing". Skakel was flanked by his brother, sister and cousins Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Douglas Kennedy. Witnesses appeared for both the prosecution and defense on whether Skakel actually admitted to the murder while attending the Elan School in Poland Springs, Maine.
          August 17, 2000: Judge decides Skakel will stand trial. Stating evidence from a probable cause hearing showed "well beyond mere suspicion" that Michael Skakel could have caused the death of Martha Moxley.
          October 5, 2000: The Juvenile report from a court-ordered background investigation was been delivered to the presiding judge.
          January 31, 2001: Kennedy nephew Michael Skakel will be tried as an adult in the 1975 murder of Greenwich teen-ager Martha Moxley, a judge ruled Wednesday.
          February 11, 2001: The prosecution filed a motion to have the case of Martha Moxley murder defendant Michael Skakel moved to Bridgeport from Superior Court in Stamford, which a judge only last week designated as the trial site.
          February 14, 2001: Michael Skakel appeals judge's decision to try Skakel as an adult.
          February 21, 2001: Michael Skakel is charged as an adult.
          November 2001: The CT State Supreme Court said it would not hear Skakel's appeal of the decision to transfer his case to adult court, saying it was too early in the legal process to consider that issue. Appeals are not normally granted until verdicts are reached.
          December 11, 2001: Connecticut State Superior Court Judge John Kavanewsky denied a long-standing motion to dismiss the charges against Michael Skakel.
          May 4, 2002: Trial took place in Connecticut State Superior Court in Norwalk with Judge John Kavanewsky presiding.
          June 7, 2002: With the family and friends in the courtroom the 12 person jury found Michael Skakel "Guilty as Charged of Murder in the 1st Degree"
          * Bibliography and Reference:
          J.A. Johnson, Jr. - Greenwich Time Reporter
          Murder in Greenwich, by Mark Fuhrman
          A Wealth of Evil, by Timothy Dumas
          ABC News
          APBNews.com
          MSNBC New
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 01, 2010, 06:53:22 PM
          The Bounty On Martha's Killer Put Up By The Moxley's


          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... YjyNSPfh-w (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=9&sqi=2&ved=0CDcQFjAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fgreenwichroundup.blogspot.com%2F2010%2F04%2F41210-where-is-hearst-newspaper-editor.html&ei=_2SmTMD1GMSinQfExoWRAQ&usg=AFQjCNHFdX6VTbXyT_JNr4txYjyNSPfh-w)



          October 17, 1978: Governor Ella Grasso authorizes a $20,000 reward.

          October 28, 1978: Greenwich Police meet with a psychic who contacted
          them regarding dreams.

          October 30, 1978: Detectives again do an overnight stakeout of the
          murder scene.

          Mid-November 1978: Michael Skakel escapes from the Elan School and is
          returned a few days later.

          November 29, 1978: Michael Skakel escapes from the Elan School again.

          December 12, 1978: Michael Skakel escapes from the Elan School again.

          October 30, 1979: Detectives again do an overnight stakeout of the
          murder scene.

          October 30, 1980: Detectives again do an overnight stakeout of the
          murder scene.

          July 31, 1981: Police contact a second psychic about the case.

          September 27, 1981: Police meet with the second psychic about the
          case.

          October 30, 1981: Detectives again do an overnight stakeout of the
          murder scene.


          GREENWICH TIME EDITOR
          JOE PISANI GETS MORE INVOLVED
          IN THE MARTHA MOXLEY MURDER CASE


          July 13, 1982: Greenwich Time newspaper requests to see the
          investigation reports.

          July 20, 1982: Police DENY the request.

          August 6, 1982: Greenwich Time newspaper "formally" requests to see
          the investigation reports under the "Freedom Of Information Act".

          October 4, 1982: Greenwich Police Department requests to see and edit
          Len Levitt's Greenwich Time article before publication. Their request
          is denied.

          October 30, 1982: Detectives again do an overnight stakeout of the
          murder scene.

          December 9, 1982: An FOI hearing is conducted regarding the police
          reports.

          January 5, 1983: Detectives talk to Ken Littleton who states he has
          been talking to reporter Len Levitt. He also states that he is now
          willing to undergo tests to prove his innocence.

          May 11, 1983: FOI Committee decides that police must hand over
          selected parts of the police report.

          Summer 1983: Len Levitt's article is written on the case - Greenwich
          Time and Stamford Advocate Editor Joe Pisani REFUSES to publish it (so it sits in Joe Pisani's lower desk drawer under lock and key). The Kennedy clan is elated that Pisani has knuckled under to their pressure.


          In 1988: Martha's father, David Moxley, dies unexpectedly in New York
          City. Mr. Moxley is buried in Greenwich next to Martha.

          April 30, 1991: Greenwich police and the State of Connecticut announce
          that they are reinvestigating evidence in the case.


          TWO MONTHS LATER COWARDLY
          GREENWICH TIME EDITOR JOE PISANI
          HAS A CHANGE OF HEART

          June 2, 1991: Len Levitt's article is published in the Greenwich Time
          under the headline "Moxley Murder Case Still Haunts Greenwich".

          August 9, 1991: The Moxley family increases the reward to $50,000.

          They also set up a toll-free telephone number to assist in an
          announced reinvestigation by the State Attorney's office by Frank Garr
          and Jack Solomon.

          SOMETIME IN 1991: The Skakel's hire Sutton Associates to investigate
          the murder.

          1993: The book "A Season in Purgatory," by Dominick Dunne, is
          published.

          October 1993: Dr. Henry Lee submits his findings to the Greenwich
          Police, the report is 6 inches thick.

          January 5, 1994: At a press conference, Jack Solomon admits that there
          is nothing new in the investigation at this point - he also blames the
          Skakel family for not cooperating.

          September 30, 1994: Frank Garr retires from the Greenwich Police to
          work as an investigator for the State Attorney's Office. He is
          assigned full time on the Moxley Case.

          November 26, 1995: Len Levitt writes an article for "Newsday Magazine"
          in which he states that Tommy Skakel has changed his story about what
          he was doing the night of the murder.

          June 19, 1996: The Moxley's double the reward money to $100,000.

          October 1996: Evidence is taken to Washington D.C. to the Defense
          Department for DNA testing
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 01, 2010, 07:08:59 PM
          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... sMgJwcaa4g (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=10&ved=0CD8QmAEwCQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbusiness.ezinemark.com%2Ftax-relief-lessons-learned-from-celebrity-tax-woes-169ae0f9a6c.html&ei=2GimTOiFFeaQnAfQqaCQAQ&usg=AFQjCNEKWqYIcMipjE4-0QqxsMgJwcaa4g)


          Sherman doesn't pay his taxes :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:



          Tax Relief Lessons Learned from Celebrity Tax Woes #6: No matter how much you owe, the IRS is poised to do whatever it takes to collect every penny. Just because you're an attorney, doesn't mean you're a tax attorney and can outfox the IRS. Last spring, celebrity lawyer Mickey Sherman (he unsuccessfully represented Kennedy cousin Michael Skakel in his murder trial) pled guilty to not paying $400,000 in taxes.
          Sherman paid those taxes, but allegedly still owes more than $1 million in penalties, interest and for back taxes in other years. While it may be difficult for many taxpayers to directly relate to owing the IRS millions of dollars in back taxes, the IRS has become increasingly aggressive in pursuing tax cheats – both big and small. And both individuals and businesses are at a big disadvantage if they try to face the IRS alone. They need expert representation or they risk the IRS managing their cash flow via financially debilitating levies. An experienced tax attorney or Certified Tax Resolution Specialist will also make sure you get the optimum tax settlement you deserve without paying the IRS a penny more than you have to
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 01, 2010, 08:39:51 PM
          Martha's mother, Dorothy Moxley, offered a $100,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of her daughter's killer and set up a hotline to receive tips about her death, with no result. For years, Thomas and Michael Skakel and Kenneth Littleton remained the three main suspects, but no charges were ever brought against any of them. The police team cited a lack of physical evidence and lack of co-operation among the Skakels as the main obstacles in the case.


          Higgins back peddling.


          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... xNTR78Kj7Q (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=13&ved=0CCYQqQIwAjgK&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fid%3DmygcAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DeVkEAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D6857%2C6115769%26dq%3Dreward%2Bin%2Bthe%2Bmoxley%2Bmurder%26hl%3Den&ei=_X2mTInvO8L8nAf044WRAQ&usg=AFQjCNF29Okd-hsRWXyn0hKIxNTR78Kj7Q)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on October 02, 2010, 12:30:17 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Sharon
          I hope the event turns out great, and raises tons of cash for you and your family. I also hope Mason recovers quickly and you can put this whole thing behind you.
          Ok wow thank you....but all this sudden kindness whats the catch????
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on October 02, 2010, 12:31:20 AM
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Danny
          Your time would be better spent doing for others,rather than promoting yourself. You are but a Fraud
          show me where I stated Fornits was being shut down and I had something to do with this ? And if you sent this personal email to psy,how is it Sharon got it and posted it here ?
          You are gonna have to learn to be a better liar if you are going to run in these circles Danny.
          I never had you as a friend,nor was I ever interested in your friendship,as the cost is just to high.
          I am sorry that you are SO sick that you have to post here 200 times a day. Tho I understand the affliction. I have to think your time could be better spent helping real people,who want help.. Rather than forcing it down someone's throat (like you do in every thread)
          I really do wish you owell. But I really wish you'd shut the fuck up,as I am sure dozens of others will agree with. You have quite the fan base here @ fornits. Where else can you get this kind of attention and not have to pay for it
          You live for betrayal,and eat it up with sugar. Even if you are lying,its still always about you. Did Psy give you a cookie for your most recent lies ?
          How about another Screen Name LOL

          Well Jee, Arty, maybe Psy sent it on to her so she could inform you of the consequences of your stupid actions. Listen I have to go now but please stay in touch with me. I am very interested in your life and how things are going for you. I know you have this penchant for calling me names and trying to reject me but we both know how you adore me. We are friends Arty, this is just how we do it. I am baffled that you don't recognized this as a great relationship, I was under the impression all your friendships are like this.
          Is everyone a liar in your life?????
          Danny I do not recall PSY sending me anything but I do remember you promoting yourself..
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on October 02, 2010, 07:06:57 AM
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Sharon
          I hope the event turns out great, and raises tons of cash for you and your family. I also hope Mason recovers quickly and you can put this whole thing behind you.
          Ok wow thank you....but all this sudden kindness whats the catch????
          No catch.. just sick of the bullshit. My life is too full,and I have to think you have much more important things to focus on than this nonsense.
          besides .. thats who I am
          what you have seen is not me
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on October 02, 2010, 07:08:36 AM
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Danny
          Your time would be better spent doing for others,rather than promoting yourself. You are but a Fraud
          show me where I stated Fornits was being shut down and I had something to do with this ? And if you sent this personal email to psy,how is it Sharon got it and posted it here ?
          You are gonna have to learn to be a better liar if you are going to run in these circles Danny.
          I never had you as a friend,nor was I ever interested in your friendship,as the cost is just to high.
          I am sorry that you are SO sick that you have to post here 200 times a day. Tho I understand the affliction. I have to think your time could be better spent helping real people,who want help.. Rather than forcing it down someone's throat (like you do in every thread)
          I really do wish you owell. But I really wish you'd shut the fuck up,as I am sure dozens of others will agree with. You have quite the fan base here @ fornits. Where else can you get this kind of attention and not have to pay for it
          You live for betrayal,and eat it up with sugar. Even if you are lying,its still always about you. Did Psy give you a cookie for your most recent lies ?
          How about another Screen Name LOL

          Well Jee, Arty, maybe Psy sent it on to her so she could inform you of the consequences of your stupid actions. Listen I have to go now but please stay in touch with me. I am very interested in your life and how things are going for you. I know you have this penchant for calling me names and trying to reject me but we both know how you adore me. We are friends Arty, this is just how we do it. I am baffled that you don't recognized this as a great relationship, I was under the impression all your friendships are like this.
          Is everyone a liar in your life?????
          Danny I do not recall PSY sending me anything but I do remember you promoting yourself..
          Hey Danny
          Oooops !
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
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          CNN LARRY KING LIVE

          Interviews With Dorthy Moxley, John Moxley, Dominick Dunne

          Aired June 7, 2002 - 21:00   ET

          THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


          THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
          LARRY KING, HOST: Tonight: Guilty. Kennedy cousin Michael Skakel stands convicted of murdering Martha Moxley almost 27 years ago. Joining us is Martha's mother, Dorthy Moxley. She never gave up hope she'd get justice for her daughter. And with her is her son and Martha's brother, John Moxley.

          Also in New York, the best-selling crime writer Dominick Dunne. He covered the Skakel trial for "Vanity Fair." Like Dorthy Moxley, he lost a daughter to a brutal killer.

          From outside the courthouse in Norwalk, Connecticut, Skakel's prosecutor Jonathan Benedict. We'll also have an exclusive interview with key prosecution witness John Higgins. He testified that Michael Skakel confessed to killing Martha many years ago.

          And later, from the other side of this controversial case, Michael Skakel's defense attorney, Mickey Sherman, vowing to appeal. All that, your calls, next on LARRY KING LIVE.

          What's it feel like, Dorthy?

          DORTHY MOXLEY, MARTHA MOXLEY'S MOTHER: Well, I'm still pinching myself. I'm afraid I'll wake up tomorrow morning and it will be, you know, all over, that it won't be true. I've dreamed of this for 27 years. And...

          KING: The moment before the verdict was read, when they opened up the envelope, what were you thinking when the foreman began to read?

          D. MOXLEY: Well, I think my heart almost had stopped. It was -- I just kept thinking, I want it to be guilty, because I just believed so much in the system. And when he said "guilty," I just hugged my son and my sister-in-law, and I just could hardly believe it. It's been a dream come true.

          KING: What was it like for you, John?

          JOHN MOXLEY, MARTHA MOXLEY'S BROTHER: Well, like mom says, it's been 27 years in the making. We have really been doing this for the last 13 years. And it's just unbelievable.

          KING: What was it like for you, opening the -- before they read? J. MOXLEY: It was -- it was just one of those moments that you'll remember forever. It was just so real and so intense, not knowing what was going to happen.

          KING: Was it a relief?

          J. MOXLEY: I don't know if "relief" is the right word.

          KING: What is the right word?

          J. MOXLEY: I don't yet. I don't know yet. It's going to take a long time to figure that out.

          KING: Did either of you ever have a doubt about this, his guilt?

          D. MOXLEY: No. Once I realized that, you know, it was Michael, I just never, ever doubted it for one minute.

          KING: So in the past years, once you had the realization, did ever waiver?

          J. MOXLEY: No. Michael was never a suspect for a long time. And it wasn't until...

          KING: So he wasn't a suspect in your mind?

          J. MOXLEY: Wasn't a suspect in our mind at all. And it wasn't until '98, the grand jury, when we started hearing all these bits and pieces and we saw how they all fit together. And we became convinced.

          KING: Dominick, you've been on this for a long time. Wrote a novel about it, right, nine years ago? What's your thoughts tonight?

          DOMINICK DUNNE, COVERED SKAKEL TRIAL FOR VANITY FAIR: Well, I have got to tell you, sitting in that courtroom this morning, I mean, there was such tension in that courtroom before this happened, when we were all sitting there. And a very nice woman, a friend of Dorthy's was next to me, who was like drawing pictures or something. And I just said, "will you stop doing that!" Because I was so nervous. And you know, I didn't really anticipate the verdict.

          KING: You did not.

          DUNNE: No, I didn't.

          KING: You thought it would be not guilty?

          DUNNE: I thought it would be -- it would be -- that it was a possibility. But when it became a reality, I was really shocked.

          KING: Because many thought it would be a not guilty?

          DUNNE: Yes.

          KING: Many courtroom experts. Isn't that true?

          DUNNE: Yes.

          KING: So were you shocked at the verdict?

          DUNNE: Yeah. But thrilled. Because I think this is absolutely the right verdict.

          KING: No question in your mind justice was done?

          DUNNE: No question in my mind that justice was done.

          KING: How did you get on to this case?

          DUNNE: Well, I was covering the William Kennedy Smith rape trial in Palm Beach, and this false rumor went through the courtroom there, that William Kennedy Smith had been in the Skakel house in Greenwich on the night of Martha Moxley's murder. So I went back and checked that out. And then that turned out not to be true.

          And then, you know, I said, what ever happened to that story? Whatever happened to the thing? And they said, well, Tommy Skakel was the main suspect. The father had died, the mother had moved away. So I sought out Dorthy. And in 1991, I went to Annapolis, Maryland...

          KING: And you wrote a book as fiction, though.

          DUNNE: Yes. Yes. Because nobody knew what the facts were at that time. I was pretty close, by the way, to the...

          KING: When did Mark Fuhrman pick it up?

          DUNNE: Me.

          KING: He got it from you.

          DUNNE: He got it from me. Because there was a Sutton report, a Sutton private detective agency hired by Rushton Skakel, the father of Michael, the brother of Ethel Skakel Kennedy. And he hired this group of private detectives to take the cloud off his son, Tommy. And instead, it was they, these people whom he paid $750,000 to, it was they who unearthed Michael for the first time.

          KING: Martha -- I mean, Dorthy, where were you the night Martha was killed?

          D. MOXLEY: I was home. We lived in Greenwich, Connecticut in the Bell Haven section. And I was a do-it-yourself type of person. And I wanted to -- I was going to have new draperies delivered for our bedroom, so I was painting the (UNINTELLIGIBLE) on the windows.

          KING: How did you learn of it?

          D. MOXLEY: Martha's death? Oh, Martha didn't come home that night. And Martha was one of these girls who -- she was a delight. She did everything the right way. She just never -- you know, she never did much wrong.

          KING: She said she was coming home, she came home.

          D. MOXLEY: She said she was coming home, of course she was going to come home. And she did not come home that night. And my husband was in Atlanta, Georgia at a partner's meeting, and John was home.

          KING: How old were you, John?

          J. MOXLEY: Seventeen.

          KING: Who -- did you learn before your mother?

          J. MOXLEY: No. I learned -- I had gone to school. We had school off that day, but I had gone for a football practice. And then when I came home, I found out.

          KING: Who told you?

          D. MOXLEY: Three of my friends came to see me, and we were sitting in the living room when a knock at the door. And we went to the door, and it was one of Martha's friends, and she with in hysterics. And she said, "I think I have found Martha." The night before, I had called everyone I knew, everyone I knew, and so everyone was out looking for Martha. Everyone knew Martha was missing. And that's why these friends had come to be with me.

          KING: One can assume there's nothing worse, both of you have experienced this, Dominick and you, both by murder, the loss of a daughter. One can assume there's nothing worse -- whatever second is a distant second. Do you ever get over it?

          D. MOXLEY: No. I'm sure -- I don't want to get over it. I mean, I don't ever want to forget Martha. But, you know, time does help. It has been 27 years, almost. And I'm sure if it were like two or three years now, I wouldn't be able to be here.

          KING: You never get over it, do you, Dominick?

          DUNNE: Well, you never get over it. You go on with your life, though. I mean, that's very, very important. I mean, that honors also the daughter. But I mean -- it's part of me every day. And it's just part of my life.

          KING: How close were you to your sister?

          J. MOXLEY: Close. Close as, you know, as I think anybody.

          KING: She was two years younger?

          J. MOXLEY: Two years younger. We had just moved from the West Coast to the East Coast, so we didn't know a lot of people.

          KING: Did you know the Skakels?

          J. MOXLEY: No, we traveled in different circles.

          KING: Did you know them? D. MOXLEY: I knew Rush.

          KING: The father.

          D. MOXLEY: Rush had been -- yes. It was very popular in those days to have cocktail parties, and we moved into Bell Haven, and we bought an old, run-down house. And I think the neighbors were elated that here was this family that moved in and we were going to fix up the house. And everyone had cocktail parties to introduce us. And Rush Skakel was -- he was one of the people that came. And in fact, we were asked to join the Bell Haven Club, the little beach club there, that's lovely. And Rush was one of our sponsors. And he sponsored my husband for the University Club here in New York. I mean, so he was becoming a good friend.

          KING: We'll be back with more on this fascinating story. Don't go away.

          (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

          KING: We're back. We're trying to find the word the Moxleys feel today.

          John, are you happy? Is that the right word?

          J. MOXLEY: No, not happy. You know, it's sad. It's -- you know, it's a lose-lose situation. It's funny, where we've worked on something for so long, we set goals. We, you know, we set a goal of finding who killed Martha. We set a goal of having him arrested, tried and convicted. And we've achieved all of those things. But it's absolutely hollow.

          KING: Really anti-climactic, in a sense?

          J. MOXLEY: You know, I don't know the word.

          KING: "Hollow," though?

          J. MOXLEY: It's -- there's no -- you know, there's no joy in it.

          KING: No closure?

          J. MOXLEY: "Victory" is the wrong word. There is no victory here.

          KING: What are your feelings about Michael Skakel?

          J. MOXLEY: Sad. You know, here is somebody that had every material advantage that anybody could ever want. And, you know, most people worry about how they're going to pay their bills. That was never a part of his life. And it just -- I mean, it goes to show you that money doesn't solve all your problems.

          And, you know, it's parents; it's the power that a parent has in the raising of a child.

          KING: He wasn't parented well?

          J. MOXLEY: No. Apparently his mother was a wonderful person. And when she died, Rush Skakel's solution was to hire a staff. And, you know, it's like a business: Well, we need more help, let's hire more staff.

          KING: Dorothy, do you hate Michael Skakel?

          D. MOXLEY: No, I don't hate Michael Skakel. I...

          KING: The court said he killed your daughter.

          D. MOXLEY: I know. But if I were to say that I strongly disliked anyone, I would say that Rush Skakel, the father, is the person that I would put in that category.

          KING: Because?

          D. MOXLEY: Because he had the responsibility of raising these children. And I think Michael, we know -- he admitted it in his book proposal that at 13 he was an alcoholic. And he wanted help. I mean, you just don't have children that have problems like that without a reason. And I think, you know, they had all the means to do something.

          When his wife died, if he couldn't handle the children, then why didn't the family step in and help him or something?

          KING: Was it difficult for you, Dorthy, to look at Michael during the trial, or not difficult?

          D. MOXLEY: Not as difficult as it was for me to look at Rushton Skakel when he came into court. I found -- I'm sincere when I say that.

          KING: Are you surprised at this, Dominick?

          DUNNE: No, I'm not, because I know how Dorthy feelings about Rushton Skakel. And Rushton Skakel was a disgrace.

          KING: But he didn't kill their daughter.

          DUNNE: He didn't kill the daughter, but he raised some of the most dysfunctional children who have ever been raised.

          There was a moment today -- I have to say, I think this was absolutely the right verdict. I'm thrilled with the verdict. But there was a moment today when I found that I actually kind of felt sorry for Michael, in a way, whom I believe is the murderer.

          But the whole humiliation of when he said, I'd like to speak, and the judge said no, sit down. And then when they -- when the bail was denied him, and he had to go into prison and went in front of the whole courtroom; you know, two cops, one took each arm -- not cops, but bailiffs -- and put the arms behind him, it was very -- it's was -- you know, it's not possible to be more humiliated in your life than he was at that moment.

          KING: Did you agree with the denial of bail? Usually rich people get bail continued.

          DUNNE: Yes, well I think the judge was great, by the way. And...

          KING: You would have denied bail, too?

          DUNNE: Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, I think he's a risk.

          KING: To flee?

          DUNNE: Yes, I think he's a risk to himself at this moment.

          KING: You do?

          DUNNE: I think that the despair must be -- think about that. He's sitting in a cell tonight, this rich kid. And I think that the despair must be absolutely overwhelming.

          KING: John, do you think -- a man of 41 is not a man 15; it's not a boy 15. This is a different person now.

          J. MOXLEY: Right.

          KING: Do you think that gives him some leeway, in your mind, toward a lesser sentence maybe than...

          J. MOXLEY: No, not at all. As a matter of fact, it should be more. I mean, here's somebody that's thumbed their nose at the rules all their life. You know, this was an inconvenience that the family could take care of. And, you know, we'll deal with it our way, as opposed to working with the law.

          You know, if Michael and Rush had come to the police when he was 15 and he said, you know, I was drunk, I was stoned, I was out of my mind, I had a wild crush on Martha, she was with Tommy, I lost my mind, I did something, it was a mistake, there wouldn't have been all this damage to -- you know, we would have known it happened. It would have been over 20 years ago. You know, he certainly wouldn't have done the damage to the rest of his family.

          KING: He would have been out by now.

          J. MOXLEY: Yes.

          DUNNE: Long since out.

          KING: Do you want a life sentence? Do you want a long sentence? What do you want? What's justice to you?

          J. MOXLEY: Justice to me would start with the 27 years that we've waited, and then some sort of penalty on top of that.

          KING: So a minimum 27 years? J. MOXLEY: A minimum of 27 years, and then something as a...

          KING: Token.

          J. MOXLEY: Token.

          KING: Dorthy?

          D. MOXLEY: I have said that I'd like to think about it a bit. But I think John speaks very well. I think that, yes.

          KING: What's it -- he can get 10 years to life?

          DUNNE: Ten to life, yes.

          D. MOXLEY: Ten to life, yes.

          KING: There will be -- was there a background done on this before? I mean, what's the procedure, Dominick?

          DUNNE: I don't know.

          KING: Do they do a background check in Connecticut?

          J. MOXLEY: They -- apparently they set a range. A minimum of 10 to a minimum of 25 to life. And apparently there is some vehicle where the court will talk to us and see what our thoughts are and...

          KING: They get the victims' thoughts?

          J. MOXLEY: Right.

          KING: So you will tell the judge what you're saying here tonight...

          J. MOXLEY: Absolutely.

          KING: Twenty-seven plus.

          J. MOXLEY: Twenty-seven to start.

          KING: Sound right to you, Dominick?

          DUNNE: I don't know. This is their matter. I mean, the fact that he was convicted is satisfaction to me.

          KING: We'll take a break. When we come back, we'll have an exclusive interview from Chicago with John Higgins, a key prosecution witness in the Skakel trial; a former classmate of Skakel's who testified that Michael confessed to Martha's murder.

          We'll be right back.

          (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

          KING: The Moxleys remain, the mother of the late Martha Moxley, Dorthy Moxley, the brother, John, the special correspondent for "Vanity Fair," Dominick Dunne.

          Joining us now in Chicago is John Higgins, key prosecution witness in the Skakel trial. What, John -- before we talk to John Higgins -- John Moxley, what did John Higgins mean to the trial?

          J. MOXLEY: I think John Higgins was very important, and I was so appreciative. And, you know, he showed a lot of courage. He was a very credible guy, somebody that obviously had a troubled past, but has gotten himself together. Doing something wrong 20-some-odd years ago isn't a life sentence. It's something that you can work on. And John Higgins, I think, is a stand-up fellow.

          KING: You wanted to say something to him?

          J. MOXLEY: Yes, absolutely. John, I very much appreciate everything that you did. I have nothing but respect for you. And I hope you feel good about yourself because we admire you.

          KING: John, was it tough for you to come forward, John Higgins?

          JOHN HIGGINS, TESTIFIED IN SKAKEL TRIAL: Yes, it was very tough for me to come forward. It was going to happen regardless of anything. But I feel absolutely fantastic about the way things worked out.

          KING: You're glad the verdict came out the way it did?

          HIGGINS: I most certainly am.

          KING: Because you testified that Michael Skakel told you that he did it, right?

          HIGGINS: That's correct.

          KING: And you believed him, obviously?

          HIGGINS: At the time, 20-odd years ago? No, I didn't believe him. I was at a place that was kind of crazy and I really didn't -- I didn't know if he was being truthful or whatever. But I believed him 20 years later when somebody told me the same story.

          KING: So you thought then he was kind of like boasting, is that the word?

          HIGGINS: No, he wasn't boasting. He was crying his eyes out and sobbing, and it was an extremely emotional thing. But I really didn't want to be involved with anything back then. I was in a bad place and wanted to get out of there.

          KING: How did you react -- Mickey Sherman is going to be with us later. Were you bothered by his tough cross-examination of you?

          HIGGINS: It's Mickey's job. I think he's made many comments that he probably shouldn't have made about me. But it's his job to be who he is, and I'm sure it's nothing personal.

          KING: John, what are you doing now?

          HIGGINS: What do I do for a living?

          KING: Yes.

          HIGGINS: I'm a local 150 operating engineer in Chicago.

          KING: What does that mean?

          HIGGINS: I run equipment.

          KING: Dorthy, how do you feel about John Higgins?

          D. MOXLEY: Oh, John, I am just so -- really, John, I just can't tell you how much I appreciate what you did. You know, I will be forever grateful and so thankful that you, you know, that you came forward when you did. I love you, John. It's wonderful. And I enjoyed meeting your wife. She's beautiful. And thank you so much.

          KING: John Higgins...

          HIGGINS: Absolutely.

          KING: Was it tough to face Michael in the courtroom?

          HIGGINS: No, it absolutely was not.

          KING: I mean, you were friends, weren't you?

          HIGGINS: No, we were never friends at Elon (ph). When you were there, you weren't really friends with anyone. It was more just survival, trying to get out of there without too much collateral damage.

          KING: Dominick, do you foresee it as taking kind of guts to come forward? A lot of people avoid things.

          DUNNE: The list -- there's people in this case who should have come forward who haven't come forward. I think what John did is absolutely wonderful. Absolutely wonderful.

          And, you know, I just had a call the other day from a woman who wanted to come forward. And they almost brought her forward for the rebuttal, but there was a privacy issue. She had been at Anacapa by the Sea. Joanna (ph) Walker, her name is.

          And in 1997, when Michael was at Anacapa by the Sea, which is an alcoholic rehab place beyond Malibu near Oxnard -- a lot of famous people there -- and he was very, very paranoid the whole time that he was being followed by the FBI and the CIA. And she -- this Joanna (ph) Walker said why? And he said because of something I did when I was a teenager. And finally she said to him -- this was in 1997 -- said to him did you do it? And he said, yes, and I've been running ever since.

          And so I tried to bring her into the case, and they almost did. But on the privacy issue, it was turned down.

          KING: John Higgins, where were you when you learned of the verdict today?

          HIGGINS: I was at work. I was on a dig. We were replacing some sewer pipe.

          KING: Who told you, or how did you learn of it?

          HIGGINS: Actually, your producer called me and said that we're probably going to have to do this tonight. They just got a guilty verdict.

          KING: So it was CNN, it was LARRY KING LIVE production staff, that informed you?

          HIGGINS: It was LARRY KING LIVE productions that told me.

          KING: That's being on the ball. How would you describe -- the Moxleys are having trouble finding a word about their feelings. What were your feelings when you heard it was guilty?

          HIGGINS: Well, I have got to be honest with you. I feel pretty terrible for Michael. I think his family did him a tremendous injustice by allowing this thing to go on for as long as it did. They should have stepped up to the plate and dealt with it when it happened. And Michael could have had a life. And now he's had no life up to now, and will have no life from now forward.

          KING: John Higgins, do you think the Kennedy connections and the fact of the wealth and the like kept this thing going so long?

          HIGGINS: I would definitely say that money had something to do with it. The Kennedy connection, I don't find any relevance in it.

          KING: You think money had something to do with it, John Moxley?

          J. MOXLEY: I think money had something to do with it. I think that money and they had the ability to take Michael and take him out of the mainstream and save him from himself.

          KING: Dominick, money?

          DUNNE: Money, always, always, always. And I think no matter what they say now, I think at the time, there was a certain amount of intimidation about the family.

          KING: The Kennedy family?

          DUNNE: No. I'm not saying the Kennedys. No.

          KING: The Skakels?

          DUNNE: The Skakel family.

          KING: Dorthy, money? D. MOXLEY: Money, yes. I think money was definitely an issue. If they hadn't -- you know, when you have money, you know what to do. You know who to hire and, you know.

          KING: John Higgins, thank you very much for agreeing to join us. And I know the Moxleys have already expressed their thanks.

          D. MOXLEY: Thanks again, John.

          J. MOXLEY: Thanks, John.

          HIGGINS: Thanks for having me.

          KING: That was John Higgins, a key prosecution witness. When we come back, the Moxleys and Dominick Dunne will be joined by Jonathan Benedict, the prosecutor in the case. Jeffrey Toobin, our own legal analyst, said he won the case in summation. We'll talk with him and later we'll meet Mickey Sherman, the attorney for the defense.

          Don't go away.

          (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

          KING: Welcome back. Dorthy Moxley is with us. There is no second "o" in her name. It's Dorthy -- D-o-r-t-h-y, Martha Moxley's mother. John Moxley, the brother, and Dominick Dunne, the special correspondent for "Vanity Fair."

          We're joined now in Norwalk, Connecticut by Jonathan Benedict, the very successful prosecutor of this case. What were your thoughts, Jonathan, when the -- right before the foreman read the verdict?

          JONATHAN BENEDICT: By that point, the jury had filed in, and I had suggested to my associates that if people came in in tears, that that would have been a bad sign, because the tears would have been for Dorthy. But when they filed in, they were all dry-eyed, and nobody looked over toward the defense. At that point it was pretty clear to me what the verdict was going to be.

          KING: Did four days seem long to you?

          BENEDICT: No, it actually seemed a little shorter than I expected, to be honest.

          KING: Because?

          BENEDICT: Because they had a lot to go through. They really only deliberated for two days, plus a half hour this morning. The equivalent of one day was devoted to playback, which really isn't that long, with a case where they had to determine the credibility of so many witnesses.

          KING: Were you surprised that Michael didn't take the stand in his own defense?

          BENEDICT: No, I don't think Michael could have taken the stand in his own defense. He would have had to somehow explain a dozen admissions to a dozen different people. It would have been an exhausting day for him and an exhausting day for me but, I think, a very successful day for our case.

          KING: Some people were surprised, Jonathan, that the brother wasn't called -- Tommy. Why not?

          BENEDICT: You'll have to ask Mr. Margolis, his attorney.

          KING: It was his decision not to call him?

          BENEDICT: Right.

          KING: Do you have any sentencing recommendations?

          BENEDICT: No, not at this point. The minimum is not less than 10 or more than life, and the maximum is not less than 25 nor more than life.

          We want to talk to the Moxleys and see what the probation report suggests, and give it some thought. We'll worry about that in a few weeks.

          KING: Honestly, Jonathan, in a circumstantial case, does the prosecutor ever have doubts?

          BENEDICT: Not really in this case. I have felt confident all along. I never guaranteed a win, and certainly it was a tough case, partly because it was such an old case. But doubts, no. You have your negative days when you don't get what you'd like to get out of one witness or another, but I thought the case would end overall very well. I thought our case built off the defense case. And of course the arguments went well as well.

          KING: Did you think Mickey Sherman did a good job?

          BENEDICT: Mickey gave an excellent argument, did a tremendous job confronting each and every witness. I just don't think that he had the evidence to pull an acquittal off with.

          KING: Dorthy, what do you think of the job Jonathan Benedict did?

          D. MOXLEY: He's one of my heroes. I have complete faith in him. When we first found out it was going to be Jonathan Benedict, Frank Garr, the lead detective, said Dorthy, he's really good, we're lucky, and so I have felt good right from the beginning.

          KING: John, what do you think?

          J. MOXLEY: I think he was brilliant. I think that, 27 years in the making, his summation exceeded everybody's expectations, and he was just absolutely terrific.

          KING: Dominick, I don't think anybody has been in more court cases than you. How was his -- Jeffrey Toobin, I'll ask him -- Jeffrey Toobin, our legal analyst, said it was one of the best summations he ever heard.

          DUNNE: It was the best that I ever heard. Jonathan is a classy guy, also. He is sort of laid-back, and I felt for a while he was too laid-back. He was too quiet. At one point the jury had to send a note to the judge to ask him to speak up, and when he's the closest person to it. But he has got a strength, a real strength. And when he got up there for the closing, I mean it was breathtaking he was so brilliant.

          KING: Jonathan, does a closing win a case?

          BENEDICT: No. The evidence wins the case. You can give the most wonderful argument ever, but if you don't have the evidence, the argument is just fluff, and we had strong evidence.

          KING: How long did you work on that close?

          BENEDICT: Oh, a long time.

          (LAUGHTER)

          KING: Does a good attorney kick it around with somebody, like with your wife or associates? Do you say what do you think of this? What do you think of that?

          BENEDICT: My wife, in addition to our prosecution team, had been telling me on a daily basis for the last two months that I better wrap it up really well or we were going to be in big trouble, so it certainly put pressure on me.

          In addition, my two associates, Chris and Sue, were terrific in helping me work on the argument, making sure I didn't forget to say the things that needed to be said.

          KING: Well, Jonathan, we -- I guess congratulations are in order. How do you feel now? Do you feel closed, vindicated? How do you feel about Michael Skakel?

          BENEDICT: Well, I feel professionally it's been a great day. I feel terrific for guys like John Higgins, who was the first pivotal witness to come forward. It's the kind of a day where it seems to be the routine is not to come forward and not to get involved. John was the first one who had good information to give that did so. I certainly feel terrific for the Moxleys. Their resiliency has been something else.

          KING: Any sadness for Michael?

          BENEDICT: No personal -- Michael? No, no personal feelings for Michael at all.

          KING: Thank you, Jonathan. Thanks for joining us. I know it's been a long day. Jonathan Benedict, the prosecutor.

          We will come back with some more moments with Dorthy and John and Dominick, and then we'll talk with defense attorney Mickey Sherman. Don't go away.

          (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

          DAVID SKAKEL, BROTHER OF MICHAEL SKAKEL: My brother Michael has impressed me with a sense and love and integrity that I literally have not seen, with such strength, in another person. And I'm so fortunate to know him.

          (END VIDEO CLIP)

          (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

          KING: By the way, we should tell you that Dominick Dunne, special correspondent for "Vanity Fair," his diary article for July is now on the stands. "The Rich and the Damned" is the title of this article. There you see it. And it includes Skakel trial coverage. Of course, it does not have the verdict, much to Dominick's disappointment. But he's on top of this scene forever. He is the best-selling author of "Justice" now out in paperback. Also, the 1993 novel based on this murder, "A Season in Purgatory." You mentioned something during the break, the other brother, Tommy.

          DUNNE: Tommy. Tommy was like the dark cloud over this case. For 20 years, he was the main suspect. When I first knew you, he was still the main suspect in the case. And he never appeared. And he's got this lawyer, Manny Margolis (ph), who is taking notes all day long, and you know he's calling the notes up to him afterward. But finally he came. And he was there for one day only. And he wasn't at all like I thought he was going to be.

          KING: Meaning?

          DUNNE: I don't know. Well, when you look at Michael, I thought he was going to be more like Michael, you know, sort of -- the way Michael looks. But he was -- I don't know. He was strange. There's no closeness between those brothers at all. And you know, you have to figure he has to hate him, if he was the suspect for 20 years and everybody was pointing at him, and it was the other brother. There has to be a complicated relationship.

          KING: Dorthy, I asked you if it hurts you when you see Martha's picture, and you said no.

          D. MOXLEY: No. You know, we've been working on this now, I've been talking about Martha's case almost every day for -- since 1991, that's 11, almost 12 years. So, you know, I have grown with this. And I'm -- we've done this a lot.

          KING: Were you ever confident early on it would be resolved?

          D. MOXLEY: There was a time when I thought nothing would ever happen. But then -- this has grown slowly and slowly. And it's been the work of many, many people. You know, John Higgins, the big people like Dominick, people like you, you interviewed my son before. And lots of people.

          DUNNE: And Tim Dumas.

          D. MOXLEY: And Tim Dumas, who wrote the wonderful book "Green Town."

          DUNNE: And Len Levitt. We can't forget any of these people.

          D. MOXLEY: I mean, I have...

          J. MOXLEY: Frank Garr.

          DUNNE: Frank Garr.

          D. MOXLEY: ... I've always referred to a team of angels that I've had, because it seems as though these people just came from heaven. I mean, there were answers from God.

          KING: There had to be times, John, when you thought nothing was ever going to happen.

          J. MOXLEY: For a long time. You know, up through my late 20s, early 30s, I didn't think anything would happen. And I thought it was just going to go away.

          KING: And still the feeling, though, is not yet complete.

          J. MOXLEY: No, it's not. You know, I don't think it will ever be complete. I don't think that a guilty verdict and Michael spending the rest of his life in jail isn't the final piece of the jigsaw puzzle that makes it a beautiful picture.

          KING: Maybe there is no final piece.

          J. MOXLEY: No, I don't think there is, really.

          KING: Dominick? Is this a finality to you as a journalist?

          DUNNE: Well, I'll always be interested. I'm going to be in the courtroom when he's sentenced, also. I mean, I'm very interested to see what he's going to get. And I'm very interested to see what Mickey is going to do on the appeal. It's not over for me, no.

          KING: Thank you all very much. Thanks for coming in tonight.

          D. MOXLEY: Thank you for having us.

          KING: Dorthy Moxley, John Moxley, the mother and brother of the late Martha Moxley, and Dominick Dunne of "Vanity Fair." Current article in the July issue, "The Rich and the Damned."

          The famed defense attorney Mickey Sherman is next. Don't go away.

          (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

          KING: And we wind up things tonight with the defense attorney for Michael Skakel, Mickey Sherman. Mickey, what were you thinking when the foreman opened the -- to read the verdict?

          MICKEY SHERMAN, MICHAEL SKAKEL'S DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, you know, you've been doing this a long time, you get to know some signs. And as soon as they came out, I knew it was a guilty verdict. I think anybody who has been practicing criminal law could tell that as well. They had a somber look on their face. They wouldn't look over at us. Not that these are the, you know, the old tales, but it was pretty obvious that this was a jury that was very serious.

          KING: The prosecutor praised you. Did he do a good job?

          SHERMAN: He did a great job. And I've known John Benedict for 30 years. I've tried cases with him. He is a very good prosecutor; he's a very decent man as well.

          KING: What lost this case?

          SHERMAN: You know, John says I lost it on the facts. And he praised my argument, my skills, and I praised his as well. One of the elements that I couldn't control was the outrage factor. And you have a very lovely young girl whose life was taken in the most demonic way. And when they saw her picture up there time and time again, and then they look over here and they see Dorthy Moxley, who is, you know, the very essence of elegance, I think they wanted to do something good for her and I think they wanted to avenge this death.

          And all they had in front of them was the body of Michael Skakel. And there were very unkind things said about him throughout the trial. He has been painted as a villain in the press. And that's not Michael Skakel. That's not the Michael Skakel I know, or the people who know him know. And I think we could never get past that PR factor, or that outrage, or that moral shock factor.

          KING: Why didn't you let him take the stand?

          SHERMAN: You know, I thought of it. And I'm usually someone who does have my client take the stand. But in Michael's case, as John Benedict pointed out a few moments ago, I really didn't need to, because his story was out. It wasn't the greatest story, though. But it was his story. And you know, you are dealt the cards that you have at the beginning of the case. We don't have the (UNINTELLIGIBLE) of defenses. We take the defenses we have.

          KING: All you can do is all you can do.

          SHERMAN: All you can do -- but again, it was his story, and it was in his own words and it was also in his own voice, because they had this tape that they seized. So, you know, it was out there. I was never going to do any better than that, so why subject him to cross-examination. It's one of the things people like me always second-guess, but even in this dark night right now, I'm not second- guessing that aspect.

          KING: How about Tommy?

          SHERMAN: Tommy was always the man of mystery here. The state was going to call him, and that was fine with me. I was never intending on calling him. He certainly may have helped Michael's alibi, but in the long run it seemed the jury didn't buy any family member talking about an alibi, which I still don't understand.

          KING: Where is Michael right now?

          SHERMAN: Michael is locked up. He is in a maximum security prison in Connecticut.

          KING: Maximum security.

          SHERMAN: Yes, he is.

          KING: Where he remains through all appeals...

          SHERMAN: He will now remain there at least until the sentencing, or at least until we have the issues heard as to whether or not he should be released on bond before the sentencing.

          KING: Can you appeal the ruling of no bond?

          SHERMAN: I think we can. And we will take every possible step to make that happen.

          KING: What did he say to you?

          SHERMAN: Michael, being Michael, was very consoling to me. I was a wreck. Still am a wreck. And Michael was saying, don't worry, it's going to be OK. He trusts in the system, he trusts in me, trusts in God. And he believes that eventually he will be exonerated. We've been saying this a long time. This is kind of an obstacle, no question about it, but he believes that things will happen.

          KING: Who does he think killed her?

          SHERMAN: He doesn't know. And Larry, if he knew, he'd tell me, I'd tell you, and I would have told Jon Benedict a long time ago.

          This is not a matter of family honor. It's not a conspiracy; it's not a conspiracy of silence. He has no clue.

          KING: How did the judge -- you're going to appeal on how many grounds?

          SHERMAN: We have a bunch of things that we can deal with. I don't want to start listing them now. The last thing I want to do is start dissing the judge.

          KING: Well, was one of the things, that he didn't get a trial as a juvenile?

          SHERMAN: Yes, I think the case should never have been transferred out of the juvenile court. This happened when he was 15. And there was nothing to dictate that he should be treated more harshly. Twenty-five years had gone by, he had not committed any serious crimes -- any crimes, much less that. So there's no reason this should have been ever taken out of the juvenile court. The reason they used is, well, we have no place to put him in case he's convicted. Well, in Connecticut, they've got a few bucks there; they could have found someplace.

          KING: Any sense that the fame of Skakel, the relationship to the Kennedys hurt him?

          SHERMAN: It hurt him. I mean, I've been trying not to embrace that all these years, in the four years I've been involved. And I don't blame the Kennedys, but there's a spotlight on this case that would not have been there had it not been for that affiliation.

          KING: How damaging was the tree climbing masturbation story?

          SHERMAN: Not damaging, it was the most damaging aspect of this case. We know that from seeing some of the interviews that have come out with the jurors. They could get past everything, it seems, but that story.

          And the problem is, you're talking about a 15-year-old kid who did something weird, something offbeat. But to build a bridge between that behavior and murder, and a violent murder, I don't think that bridge could have been built.

          KING: Do you learn a lot when you interview jurors?

          SHERMAN: You do. You do. But then, again, it's specific and peculiar to those jurors. You can get 12 more people and have a totally different result.

          KING: What about the closing argument? A lot of people have said today the prosecution's close won this.

          SHERMAN: I don't know that the prosecutor's close won it. And I think Jon doesn't believe that either. I think he did a hell of a job; and I was the first one to congratulate him and shake his hand when he gave that argument.

          I think the bar had been lowered because, I think, people had expected him to be too low key. But I agree with Jon Benedict when he said, it's evidence that wins it, and it's the people's perception of evidence. It's not the arguments themselves.

          KING: Mickey, you've defended a lot of people. And some of the people had to have done what they were charged with.

          SHERMAN: Yes.

          KING: And some you believe, and some you don't believe. You've got to do your job, because your job is not to say whether they're guilty or not guilty, but to see that they get a fair trial.

          Do you ever think your client may have done this?

          SHERMAN: No. No. Not after I got to know him. Not after I got to know the case. I've never been this close to a client and this close to a case in my life.

          KING: Is that a good idea, by the way?

          SHERMAN: No it's not. It's not. I'm much too close to this case. I'm much too close to this client. But it allowed me to have the passion that I had, for what it's worth in the courtroom. But most importantly, it allowed me to get to know this guy so well, and really believe -- and really believe -- he didn't commit this crime...

          KING: So then what does it do to you?

          SHERMAN: Well, it takes away your impartiality. It takes away the dispassion. You're supposed to be somewhat separated from your client so you can divorce yourself from some of the emotional issues. I threw that away; and I'm proud of it, frankly. And that's because I like Michael Skakel. I like him a lot.

          KING: Therefore, the guilty verdict has to annihilate you.

          SHERMAN: It totally annihilates me. I will tell you that I was a wreck. I wanted to go home and hide under the bed, but you can't do that. As I said outside the courthouse, we're not giving up. I'm just going to be even more, more eager to help him.

          KING: Mickey, what about him do you know that we don't?

          SHERMAN: I know him. I know him. And that's such a good question, Larry. I know the Michael Skakel that goes out to the grocery store. I know the Michael Skakel that kids around at the place where he used to live. How he interacts with people. How he interacts with somebody who's going to park a car. How he knows the people -- the little people, as they say, in the world.

          And Michael is one of the kindest people I've ever met. He loves people, and people love him -- those who know him.

          The people who don't know him are the people who vilify him, because they know him from the "Star" of the "Globe" or the spin.

          KING: Why did he confess?

          SHERMAN: I don't believe he ever confessed. I do not believe he ever confessed...

          KING: You believe that Higgins is lying?

          SHERMAN: No, I don't believe John Higgins heard him confess. John Higgins heard him say, over a two-hour period, where John Higgins said nothing -- that's John Higgins' testimony. This is, by the way, coming forward 20-some-odd years later after hearing about a reward in "People" magazine.

          And John Higgins' story is that one night Michael, while he was guarding him said, you know, I don't think I did it. I didn't do it. Maybe I did it. I could have done it. Do you think I did it? Maybe I did it. I guess I did it. That's John Higgins' confession. And that's what they were convicting him on.

          KING: You mean he was just sort of, what, drunk?

          SHERMAN: No. First of all, I don't know that I believe that it happened. You have to understand, however, the way it was at the Elan program. The state's witnesses -- not mine -- but the state's witnesses testified initially that Michael Skakel was beaten -- literally beaten to a pulp in a boxing ring, one person after another, until he went from saying "I didn't do this" to, "I don't know, maybe I did it." And that was the same, same confession of John Higgins.

          KING: Why did courthouse veterans think you were going to win this one?

          SHERMAN: I thought I was going to win this one. I don't believe they had any evidence. I don't believe they -- they didn't have any physical evidence. They had no forensic evidence. Their testimony was horrible. And it was a circumstantial evidence case based on a lot of lousy evidence.

          I don't think anyone counted on the emotional impact of the death.

          KING: Was Ethel Kennedy involved?

          SHERMAN: No.

          KING: Never talked to you?

          SHERMAN: Frankly, no. I spoke to Bobby several times. Bobby came to court.

          KING: He cared about this case?

          SHERMAN: Absolutely; and cared about Michael Skakel, and was very articulate in many interviews -- I think the "New York Times," perhaps even on this show.

          Very supportive. Very supportive. I think, as Bobby said, there's not a disingenuous bone in Michael's body. This young man is "totally without guile," to quote Bobby Kennedy Jr. And I totally agree with that.

          KING: Is the family to blame, the father? Were these kids raised poorly?

          SHERMAN: You know, someone said -- I think John said that this was a dysfunctional family. You know, tell me their family is not. You know, everyone's got their problems. And I don't place the blame on anybody, because I don't believe Michael Skakel committed the crime.

          KING: Thanks Mickey.

          SHERMAN: My pleasure, Larry.

          KING: Mickey Sherman.

          We want to give you an update on that 14-year-old Elizabeth Smart in Salt Lake City, kidnapped at gunpoint from her home very early on Wednesday morning. The police tip hot-line is 801-799-3000, or you can call toll-free 1-800-932-0190. There's a Web site as well: http://www.elizabethsmart.com (http://www.elizabethsmart.com).

          We'll be back to tell you about tomorrow night right after this.

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          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB II on October 02, 2010, 05:01:49 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Danny
          Your time would be better spent doing for others,rather than promoting yourself. You are but a Fraud
          show me where I stated Fornits was being shut down and I had something to do with this ? And if you sent this personal email to psy,how is it Sharon got it and posted it here ?
          You are gonna have to learn to be a better liar if you are going to run in these circles Danny.
          I never had you as a friend,nor was I ever interested in your friendship,as the cost is just to high.
          I am sorry that you are SO sick that you have to post here 200 times a day. Tho I understand the affliction. I have to think your time could be better spent helping real people,who want help.. Rather than forcing it down someone's throat (like you do in every thread)
          I really do wish you owell. But I really wish you'd shut the fuck up,as I am sure dozens of others will agree with. You have quite the fan base here @ fornits. Where else can you get this kind of attention and not have to pay for it
          You live for betrayal,and eat it up with sugar. Even if you are lying,its still always about you. Did Psy give you a cookie for your most recent lies ?
          How about another Screen Name LOL

          Well Jee, Arty, maybe Psy sent it on to her so she could inform you of the consequences of your stupid actions. Listen I have to go now but please stay in touch with me. I am very interested in your life and how things are going for you. I know you have this penchant for calling me names and trying to reject me but we both know how you adore me. We are friends Arty, this is just how we do it. I am baffled that you don't recognized this as a great relationship, I was under the impression all your friendships are like this.
          Is everyone a liar in your life?????
          Danny I do not recall PSY sending me anything but I do remember you promoting yourself..
          Hey Danny
          Oooops !


          Art,
           There isn't any Oooops here, you sent me a email complaining about Mark and Sharon and you also mentioned this would effect Fornits, possibly shutting it down again. I forwarded it to Psy, period.
          You Art, mentioned in one of your previous posts I sent something to Sharon, I assumed this is what you were talking about. So I then assumed Psy may have sent the email to Sharon.
          I have not sent any emails to Sharon in months. What I did do was ask Mark to give Sharon my condolences and best wishes for her family.
          Other then this explanation I have nothing more to add, if you think I did something then I say, yes, go with your understanding. I can only hope whatever you think I did screwed ya, pretty good. Ya, happy now.
          Take your Meds, please, it will alleviate the paranoia.

          Sharon,
          I still have nothing for ya. Your non-existent.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on October 02, 2010, 06:02:29 PM
          Other then this explanation I have nothing more to add, if you think I did something then I say, yes, go with your understanding. I can only hope whatever you think I did screwed ya, pretty good. Ya, happy now.
          Take your Meds, please, it will alleviate the paranoia.

          Sharon,
          I still have nothing for ya. Your non-existent.[/quote]
          Danny
          This is why I do not lie. I would hate to get caught.
          This is what you do all the time.
          Someone calls you on it.
          You squirm and get nasty
          Then away you scamper to play this dog n pony show elsewhere. Like 200 threads of nonsense. 50 of them breaking several traditions of AA...Does that make you feel good that noone in person can call you on this. You certainly wouldnt pull that crap in any meetings I used to frequent...
          Danny
          Danny
          Danny,, Sometimes quickly sometimes slowly
          You are a mess!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB II on October 02, 2010, 06:13:14 PM
          Quote
          Danny wrote:
          Other then this explanation I have nothing more to add, if you think I did something then I say, yes, go with your understanding. I can only hope whatever you think I did screwed ya, pretty good. Ya, happy now.
          Take your Meds, please, it will alleviate the paranoia.

          Sharon,
          I still have nothing for ya. Your non-existent.
          [/b]


          Quote
          Art wrote:
          Danny
          This is why I do not lie. I would hate to get caught.
          This is what you do all the time.
          Someone calls you on it.
          You squirm and get nasty
          Then away you scamper to play this dog n pony show elsewhere. Like 200 threads of nonsense. 50 of them breaking several traditions of AA...Does that make you feel good that noone in person can call you on this. You certainly wouldnt pull that crap in any meetings I used to frequent...
          Danny
          Danny
          Danny,, Sometimes quickly sometimes slowly
          You are a mess!  


          Quote
          Danny wrote:
          OK, I'll bite, Art, what did Danny lie about, please do tell.
          AA is not rumbling over my actions or views but your narcissist personality sure is. Ha Ha, Art you are really talking with the wrong person about AA and what their principles mean. I am not your average mainstream AA thumper.
          Gosh, I sure do miss talking with you. See we can have a actual semi-normal conversation.
          [/b]
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB ll on October 02, 2010, 06:18:13 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Other then this explanation I have nothing more to add, if you think I did something then I say, yes, go with your understanding. I can only hope whatever you think I did screwed ya, pretty good. Ya, happy now.
          Take your Meds, please, it will alleviate the paranoia.

          Sharon,
          I still have nothing for ya. Your non-existent.
          Danny
          This is why I do not lie. I would hate to get caught.
          This is what you do all the time.
          Someone calls you on it.
          You squirm and get nasty
          Then away you scamper to play this dog n pony show elsewhere. Like 200 threads of nonsense. 50 of them breaking several traditions of AA...Does that make you feel good that noone in person can call you on this. You certainly wouldnt pull that crap in any meetings I used to frequent...
          Danny
          Danny
          Danny,, Sometimes quickly sometimes slowly
          You are a mess![/quote]


          Take the needle out of your arm Art. :peace:  :peace:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB ll on October 02, 2010, 06:21:29 PM
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Danny
          Your time would be better spent doing for others,rather than promoting yourself. You are but a Fraud
          show me where I stated Fornits was being shut down and I had something to do with this ? And if you sent this personal email to psy,how is it Sharon got it and posted it here ?
          You are gonna have to learn to be a better liar if you are going to run in these circles Danny.
          I never had you as a friend,nor was I ever interested in your friendship,as the cost is just to high.
          I am sorry that you are SO sick that you have to post here 200 times a day. Tho I understand the affliction. I have to think your time could be better spent helping real people,who want help.. Rather than forcing it down someone's throat (like you do in every thread)
          I really do wish you owell. But I really wish you'd shut the fuck up,as I am sure dozens of others will agree with. You have quite the fan base here @ fornits. Where else can you get this kind of attention and not have to pay for it
          You live for betrayal,and eat it up with sugar. Even if you are lying,its still always about you. Did Psy give you a cookie for your most recent lies ?
          How about another Screen Name LOL

          Well Jee, Arty, maybe Psy sent it on to her so she could inform you of the consequences of your stupid actions. Listen I have to go now but please stay in touch with me. I am very interested in your life and how things are going for you. I know you have this penchant for calling me names and trying to reject me but we both know how you adore me. We are friends Arty, this is just how we do it. I am baffled that you don't recognized this as a great relationship, I was under the impression all your friendships are like this.
          Is everyone a liar in your life?????
          Danny I do not recall PSY sending me anything but I do remember you promoting yourself..
          Hey Danny
          Oooops !


          Your a sick man Art but I know we still have love.Come on loosen up you know you like it. :soapbox:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB ll on October 02, 2010, 06:45:13 PM
          Quote from: "DannyB ll"
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          [quote="DannyB
          Your time would be better spent doing for others,rather than promoting yourself. You are but a Fraud
          show me where I stated Fornits was being shut down and I had something to do with this ? And if you sent this personal email to psy,how is it Sharon got it and posted it here ?
          You are gonna have to learn to be a better liar if you are going to run in these circles Danny.
          I never had you as a friend,nor was I ever interested in your friendship,as the cost is just to high.
          I am sorry that you are SO sick that you have to post here 200 times a day. Tho I understand the affliction. I have to think your time could be better spent helping real people,who want help.. Rather than forcing it down someone's throat (like you do in every thread)
          I really do wish you owell. But I really wish you'd shut the fuck up,as I am sure dozens of others will agree with. You have quite the fan base here @ fornits. Where else can you get this kind of attention and not have to pay for it
          You live for betrayal,and eat it up with sugar. Even if you are lying,its still always about you. Did Psy give you a cookie for your most recent lies ?
          How about another Screen Name LOL

          Well Jee, Arty, maybe Psy sent it on to her so she could inform you of the consequences of your stupid actions. Listen I have to go now but please stay in touch with me. I am very interested in your life and how things are going for you. I know you have this penchant for calling me names and trying to reject me but we both know how you adore me. We are friends Arty, this is just how we do it. I am baffled that you don't recognized this as a great relationship, I was under the impression all your friendships are like this.
          Is everyone a liar in your life?????
          Danny I do not recall PSY sending me anything but I do remember you promoting yourself..
          Hey Danny
          Oooops !
          [/quote]


          You don't like my forum do you Art ?? I rule Fornits, not you, stop spewing your bile on my pages. You are the one who lied and back stabbed PSY. He is one of my dearest friends and you wont be attacking him,it back fired on you Art. And you were cough, be a man.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on October 02, 2010, 07:58:35 PM
          Am sorry Danny
          I didnt realize it was my job to feed you attention.
          Whats wrong with your 200 other threads ?
          I bet noone answers you any more.
          I am going to do the same son,and I hope you get better some day
          Good luck and God Bless
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB II on October 02, 2010, 08:52:10 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Am sorry Danny
          I didnt realize it was my job to feed you attention.
          Whats wrong with your 200 other threads ?
          I bet noone answers you any more.
          I am going to do the same son,and I hope you get better some day
          Good luck and God Bless

          Now you do understand the last three posts were not mine, check the activation date. This is the real Danny check where my avatar would be.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB ll on October 02, 2010, 09:26:39 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Am sorry Danny
          I didnt realize it was my job to feed you attention.
          Whats wrong with your 200 other threads ?
          I bet noone answers you any more.
          I am going to do the same son,and I hope you get better some day
          Good luck and God Bless


          Art I will always be bigger and smarter than you, I am glad you have finally realized it. So I wont be seeing your bile and hatred anymore and thats good, you are a very nasty person, and I have people to help and you are beyond that. So God bless you and yours, love always Danny.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 03, 2010, 08:48:11 AM
          The defense claim of compelling new evidence was made for the first time yesterday, in a two-page objection to the disbursement of reward money.

          Seeley argued yesterday that if Kavanewsky approves the parsing out of the $20,000 among three witnesses, he would be placing his "stamp of approval" on the credibility of those witnesses and thus taint Skakel's right to a fair and impartial jury in the event of a new trial.

          Kavanewsky said he will consider the arguments and notify counsel when a decision is made. He did not give a time frame.

          "I think it's premature to rule on this because if Michael Skakel gets a new trial and we won, then why should they get a reward," Seeley said after the court proceedings.

          Benedict disagreed. "There are no grounds of law for the court not to set rewards now," he said outside the courtroom.

          The reward dates to 1976, when then-Gov. Ella Grasso offered up to $20,000 to anyone supplying information leading to the arrest and conviction of Moxley's killer.

          In Benedict's petition, he asked that $10,000 of the reward go to John Higgins and that Charles Seigan and Elizabeth Coleman each receive $5,000


          Were they all so humble,??? or Money motivated , ?? Print don't lie


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          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 03, 2010, 09:18:37 AM
          Think of how far $10.000 would take you in 1976, even now thats not bad walking around cash. You could buy a new Eldorado for that kind of cash

              http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... TxVCqDiokA (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CCYQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.conceptcarz.com%2Fvehicle%2Fz1635%2FCadillac-Eldorado.aspx&ei=832oTKG5O8GdnAfIkNXPDQ&usg=AFQjCNHz2JPdW1wngmyd82-STxVCqDiokA)

          So I don't know,??? 10 k is a load of cash for a drug addict or anyone else, Lets not kid anyone. Even now in 2010 10K is some good money.And who knows what other amenities they received, Money was nothing to those folks in Connecticut,They lived on streets paved with Gold, anyone of us, would like to get inside that world, I know I would. I grew up with the rich and privileged and it's a good life, I don't know how my parents did it, but I wish I could still live in Winnetka. I just can't afford 15-20+++ a year in taxes much less ins, and the rest.It's an unbelievable world,I work on the North Shore quit a bit, and I shake my head and feel defeated anytime I look around there.The lifestyle is beyond imagination, Money means nothing to most.

          And I live pretty dam good compare to most, but not like the folks on the North Shore, I look like a peasant in my $275.000 house  200 yards off the lake. My house would cost $600.000 in the North Shore,and my taxes would go from $4.000 a year to about $25.000.+++. So I could see were money would blind some from the truth.Those rewards and favors gave those wittiness life's they could never have.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 03, 2010, 09:53:00 AM
          List of witnesses and photo's

          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... ILus-HdjjA (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=5&sqi=2&ved=0CCcQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stjohns.edu%2Fmedia%2F3%2F836bbb8fb0e34b1dbac23f7126533b06.pdf&ei=zYmoTPHsKMqknQesyfGiDQ&usg=AFQjCNF3Mvd3YR-d1nXfZCtfILus-HdjjA)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on October 06, 2010, 08:36:17 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Sharon
          I hope the event turns out great, and raises tons of cash for you and your family. I also hope Mason recovers quickly and you can put this whole thing behind you.
          Ok wow thank you....but all this sudden kindness whats the catch????
          No catch.. just sick of the bullshit. My life is too full,and I have to think you have much more important things to focus on than this nonsense.
          besides .. thats who I am
          what you have seen is not me
          I agree fully. and thanks btw.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on October 06, 2010, 08:43:28 PM
          Quote from: "DannyB ll"
          Quote from: "DannyB ll"
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          [quote="DannyB
          Your time would be better spent doing for others,rather than promoting yourself. You are but a Fraud
          show me where I stated Fornits was being shut down and I had something to do with this ? And if you sent this personal email to psy,how is it Sharon got it and posted it here ?
          You are gonna have to learn to be a better liar if you are going to run in these circles Danny.
          I never had you as a friend,nor was I ever interested in your friendship,as the cost is just to high.
          I am sorry that you are SO sick that you have to post here 200 times a day. Tho I understand the affliction. I have to think your time could be better spent helping real people,who want help.. Rather than forcing it down someone's throat (like you do in every thread)
          I really do wish you owell. But I really wish you'd shut the fuck up,as I am sure dozens of others will agree with. You have quite the fan base here @ fornits. Where else can you get this kind of attention and not have to pay for it
          You live for betrayal,and eat it up with sugar. Even if you are lying,its still always about you. Did Psy give you a cookie for your most recent lies ?
          How about another Screen Name LOL

          Well Jee, Arty, maybe Psy sent it on to her so she could inform you of the consequences of your stupid actions. Listen I have to go now but please stay in touch with me. I am very interested in your life and how things are going for you. I know you have this penchant for calling me names and trying to reject me but we both know how you adore me. We are friends Arty, this is just how we do it. I am baffled that you don't recognized this as a great relationship, I was under the impression all your friendships are like this.
          Is everyone a liar in your life?????
          Danny I do not recall PSY sending me anything but I do remember you promoting yourself..
          Hey Danny
          Oooops !


          You don't like my forum do you Art ?? I rule Fornits, not you, stop spewing your bile on my pages. You are the one who lied and back stabbed PSY. He is one of my dearest friends and you wont be attacking him,it back fired on you Art. And you were cough, be a man.[/quote]
          You rule fornits???wtf your a nobody get that threw your head. lmoa PSY one of your dearest friends...bahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahhahahahahahhaahahaha and a bahahahahahahaahahahahahahhahahahahahahaa. Come the hell on your a fricken mess. Go wash the shit stain off your nose you deluded monster.I may think Art is a joke upon occasion but Daniel your the whole fucken comedy central in bright lights. You got one hell of a shitty line up. You lie, you con, you slither, you stalk, you whine, you turn people against each other. You make me want to throw up. Hell you make politicans look honest.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on October 06, 2010, 08:46:28 PM
          Quote from: "DannyB ll"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Am sorry Danny
          I didnt realize it was my job to feed you attention.
          Whats wrong with your 200 other threads ?
          I bet noone answers you any more.
          I am going to do the same son,and I hope you get better some day
          Good luck and God Bless


          Art I will always be bigger and smarter than you, I am glad you have finally realized it. So I wont be seeing your bile and hatred anymore and thats good, you are a very nasty person, and I have people to help and you are beyond that. So God bless you and yours, love always Danny.
          Daniel pull the fucken needle out of your arm...your overdosing on your own bullshit. You are the nastiest fucker on here because your such a two faced piece of shit. You may have fooled my best friend mark but never me buddy understand that and process it. Art is by far a better man than you could dream of being. You are a snake ready to mame and destroy anyone not in your line of thinking. Your truly sick.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 15, 2010, 11:41:20 AM
          How do people prey on children, To offend and hurt the parent,???????

          Nothing about this article concern's " Sharon ",  And look at how some will stop at no limits to carry on some stupid feud. And some of you condemn," Danny " for his past,???, Look at "This Sick Fuck" in our present and future, As bad as you guys, slam Danny he would never do something like this,I don't think people know the real Danny Bennison, he's nothing like this ass-hole in the article.And the one who posted this,does post here, "Cat got out of the bag". I use " Danny" because he seems to be the topic of abuse, to some of you, so while everyones on the subject, All I ask is look at this person in the public paper." Danny" is not a bad guy, this person in the news paper is. At least I see that.

          Mark. :rocker:  :rocker:





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          Fight for life
          ‘Love is a given’ for Freeport woman as she clings to hope for her son



           
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          Mason McCarthy, 4, suffered a brain injury in a July 31 car accident in Jo Daviess County. Once his condition is stable, he will be moved to a rehabilitation unit somewhere in the Chicago area.

           


           

           




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          By Jane Lethlean
          The Journal-Standard
          Posted Aug 10, 2010 @ 07:05 PM
                 
          Rockford, Ill. —
          For the past 10 days, Sharon McCarthy of Freeport has been clinging to hope. She is also tapping into faith, something that is new to her. She admits religion has never been a big part of her life. Today, however, she prays to God and believes her life and the life of her son, Mason, is in His hands. She said she feels the presence of God and spends a lot of time in the chapel at Rockford
          Memorial Hospital.

          In an instant, life changed for this woman and her family. A July 31 car accident in Jo Daviess County claimed the life of her fiance, Tim Rodey; and injured her and both of her sons, Logan, 9, and Mason, 4. Since that day, she has spent all of her waking moments at the bedside of Mason, who fights for his life after sustaining a life-threatening brain injury.

          McCarthy, who also suffers from a chronic back injury, sustained injuries herself in the crash. Against her own doctor’s advice, she checked herself out of the hospital to be at the side of her son. She grasps at hope. She cries. She worries about the future. But it is this unwavering love that drives her. She wants her son to survive and is willing to do anything to make sure this happens.

          McCarthy has spent her last dime on a guest room at the hospital. Logan is staying with family in Racine, Wis. She is in constant phone contact with Logan, who also suffered numerous facial injuries and broken teeth from the crash.

          “Walking is hard for me these days — I can’t sleep — I’m in pain and I don’t have time to worry about myself,” McCarthy said. “I think of Tim and then I cry, but I have to focus on Mason — he’s just a little boy who needs his mama.”

          Day Turns to Night

          In an instant, a family unit was destroyed. McCarthy said what was a sunny pleasure trip for this small family, turned dark in an instant. It was a day trip to Platteville, Wis., that ended with a fatal crash at the close of the day. The foursome were returning to Freeport when they collided with another vehicle.

          Logan saw the crash coming. His mother said he reached for the belt holding his younger brother’s car seat. By pulling the seat closer, he may have saved his brother’s life. McCarthy said Logan is traumatized by the accident. The problem is he cannot be with his mother. This is hard on McCarthy.

          “One of my sons is fighting for his physical life and the other is fighting for emotional health,” McCarthy said through her tears. “Both my sons need me — I just hope Logan understands this.”

          McCarthy fights back tears when she speaks of the loss of Tim. Upon impact, he was thrown against her. She said she knew he was dead. She bears a large bruise on her arm where his head hit her. She wears a matching T-shirt they both shared, which keeps thoughts of him closer. Her focus right now, though, is Mason.

          The night of the accident, the children were transported to Rockford by helicopter. McCarthy rode by ambulance. She said it was the longest ride of her life. Medications confused her, but she knew things were bad. Doctors told her Mason had a brain injury and that he was in a coma.

          Looking to the Future

          Since that day, McCarthy has been at his bedside — trying to figure out their future. Monday was the first time McCarthy was told Mason would survive. Tuesday he was becoming more alert and at the end of the week, he may be transported to a rehabilitation facility in the Chicago area. He has months of therapy ahead of him.

          “God and I have had quite the conversations since that awful day,” McCarthy said. “I’ve never been a religious person before, but I am leaving things up to God — He is in control now.

          “It’s a miracle Mason is still alive — his brother saved him — and God,” she added.

          Struggle of Life

          McCarthy has had her share of struggles. Life has not been kind to her, but she is trying. She is two classes away from a college degree in psychology. She wants to teach children.

          Tim came back into her life when she needed something more. They were planning a future together. She said she misses him, but her children need her.

          “I’m trying to plan for an uncertain future,” McCarthy said. “I know Mason has a long road ahead of him — I’ll be there for him — I’ll do what I can.”

          McCarthy is scared. She has no car. One of her sons is out of state. She may have to leave for an indefinite amount of time while Mason convalesces. She fears the unknown. She is putting all her faith in God.

          McCarthy smiles when she speaks of Mason, whom she calls “Masy-Moo.” She wants people to know this little boy with a big smile is active, creative, and loving. She said she is trying to stay strong for both of her boys. Though sadness often comes over her, she grabs onto hope.

          “I’d die if I didn’t have hope,” she said. “Love is a given — simple as that — and when I see Mason hold onto his koala bear — I think of his smile — I just want my boy back.”

          McCarthy admits to feeling overwhelmed these days. She worries about money, as well as Logan and Mason.

          “They cannot tell me what the future holds for Mason,” McCarthy said, fighting back tears. “I used to be a mom who could fix everything — now I feel powerless — it’s overwhelming, but I grab onto hope.”

          Copyright 2010 The Journal-Standard. Some rights reserved

          Comments (21)
          Packerbacker2 months ago
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          One never knows when something like this is going to occur. God is with all the time regardless of our belief or non belief. He is the Savior and hope for all of us. In order to reach Heaven, one must have Faith, because it is only through Faith that we can all receive the gracious blessings that God has given/awaiting us. Please continue to PRAY and I'm sure that he will be there for you. While this is a very traumatic time for you and your family, God will prevail. Tonight I will say a special prayer for you and your family!! Please continue to believe in Jesus Christ and remember that ALL of us rely on our belief that he is the Saviour in our lives. May God continue to bless you and yours now and forever!!!!
          78pretzel2 months ago
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          Prayers are being sent to you and your family. Please do not give up hope you will get through this. The community of Freeport needs to do something for you and your family. Fundraiser... something. God Bless you and please continue to rely on God, as he would never forsake his Child.
          racefan4life132 months ago
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          Our thoughts and prayers are with you!! Don't give up hope stay positive May god bless you and your children
          savannahboerst2 months ago
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          hey sharon,
          this is a really good article and i feel for you and macy and logan. I feel bad for your loss, but you always need to think of the positive! keep in touch with amber and holly, they keep me informed!!!!!!!!
          Savannah
          Thatonedaughter1 month ago
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          My thoughts and prayers go out to moo moo and logie. Their big sister loves them. I believe that this happened from karma. God wanted her to realize after throwing her pregnant daughter out on the streets for hanging out with a black boy that's not how you treat people. I pray every night for my brothers even Sharon. I read articles and things posted about mason. If I visit however I get threatened with police. Even if I have permission. I want everyone to continue to pray for my family. I love them very much. Yet I'm conflicted on how to react to everyone praising Sharon. I'd be focused on the babys. And I pray they will find their way through life and live to have their own families and children of their own! Like their two eldest sisters.
          sharonmccarthy1 month ago
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          First off I do not have a clue who would be so heartless as to act like my daughter on here. I do not have any pregnant daughters. I only have three sons, Steven 13, Logan 9, and Mason 4. and one non pregnant daughter, Shayla 18. Other than that I am beyond clueless as to the nature of stating such vile. I will pray for your soul making a mockery out of my family in crisis. Please seek professional help for your delusional state. I would like to thank everyone for the love and support they have shown to my family. Thank you.
          sharonmccarthy1 month ago
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          My original comment seemed to have disappeared. I may have pressed wrong buttons. I am completely outraged someone would act like my daughter on here. I have three sons.Steven 13, Logan 9, and Mason 4. And a very non pregnant daughter Shayla, 18. It amazes me as to why someone would completely insult the tragedy my family endured and it completely is a mystery to me as to why someone would claim to be my child that is not legally mine what so ever. I find the person whomever it is needs to seek professional help. I will pray for your soul. To make a mockery of our misfortune and loss is very disturbing.
          sharonmccarthy1 month ago
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          I would like to thank everyone for their kind words of support and encouragement to my family in our time of need.
          shayybear921 month ago
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          hi this is shayla... sharons only NON pregnant daughter so to thatoneduaghter on here if i was you i would stop while your a head cause all your doing is hurting my family that has already been hurt as bad as they have.. we dont even know who you are and legally you can get in trouble for slandering our family at a time like this. so please stop talking like that. i cant believe you would even talk like that when a little boy is sitting in a rehab center trying to fight for his life back.
          to everybody else thank you so much for all the prayers and everything and im so unbelievably thankful for everybodys help and concern thank you so much and please keep the prayers coming. me and loggie miss macey moo so much we cant bare it anymore we just want him home... we know hell be home really soon but we dont wanna wait any more.. im going to see him this weekend and im super excited. i cant wait. we hope to see everybody at the benefit on october 16th at the moose lodge here in freeport.. well see you soon.
          MasonsFriend1 month ago
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          I am saddened at some of the comments that have been placed here. This article was supposed to be about a little boy and his fight for recovery. His fight that started after he was involved in a horrific car accident. A precious Angel he is. The comment left by 'thatonedaughter' you should be ashamed of yourself. In a families time of sorrow, you choose to leave a comment such as you did. I'm not sure of the facts but I do know that this is not the place to air unsavory remarks. Leave this boy to recover peacefully. He needs his family, with all the love and support they have been giving him. they do not need to be harrassed by an unsavory character... Thankyou... Mason, I send you my Love and thoughts and prayers. You are truly a remarkable boy...
          Brandy J4 weeks ago
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          ok, I just found out about this article and being that I am sharon's best friend I feel the need to speak. Especially concerning this one daughter person whom I'm fairly sure who it is. I'm african american and Sharon doesn't have a racist bone in her body so you should be ashamed of yourself for even trying to imply that she is. Secondly, what kind of supposed daughter abandon's her family for a boy she's only known a week? So, I suggest you keep your comments on the up and up, because you know I know it all... and I am not afraid to say it, so lets go by that age old adage...if you can't say something nice don't say anything at all. Now, that that is handle; to my girl Sharon and loggie and masyyy I will try to be there soon and I love you lots and loggie your 'Madea' misses you and is keeping you all in prayer. Kiss and big hugs!!!!
          Concerned Person3 weeks ago
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          first off i would like to comment on Brandy's statement as stating 'whom I'm fairly sure who it is' and no where in theonedaughters statement did she mention (quoted from Brandy) 'what kind of supposed daughter abandon's her family for a boy she's only known a week', where did this individual mention anything about how long she was with the boy?, so i take it if you know this person you know that there's more truth to it then you're letting on to, Secondly what happened to Sharon's daughters Ashley, Sarah, Jessica?, did she just happen to forget about them or disown them and write them off?, Third why is there a benefit for Mason? as Sharon receives AFDC benefits (medical, food stamps, and monetary) for her and the children, i personally think that the Journal should of done a little more investigation on the full situation as Sharon stated she's spent all her money on a room and Mason's medical when she didn't have to pay a dime due to AFDC covering it all not including hospital donation of room and food for Sharon, i am not agreeing with how this person came about it due to the circumstances yet i feel you should be fully honest instead of hiding things to benefit yourself financially or perceive to look better, i don't care if you adopted out your other daughers yet to discount them fully i feel is very disrepectful to your other biological children to forget them as you have
          Thatonedaughter2 weeks ago
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          Thank you whoever posted above me. I was not bashing her I was simply stating a fact. That I personally was conflicted when I read this. The journal should have done a further investigation of what she stated and of course they didnt. It really doesn't matter. Regardless, I still believe my comment is worth every word. Its strictly a comment. Comments are personal opinions. And BRANDY I did not abandon my family She abandoned me. Then slandered my name. I do not have a boyfriend, I have a baby on the way. And being single and raising a child is not a crime in the United States.

          I stated I was conflicted I even said I was praying for her. Then I get bashed from left and right (not on here directly). Life continues on, As I stated I will continue to pray for the babys and I hope everyone who reads this nonsence continues to pray for them too.

          And SHAYLA there was no bashing involved, yet if you want to go there I can file complete harrasment charges on you and your 'mother'. So dont go there.
          shayybear922 weeks ago
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          concerned person aka jessica knock it completely off. I have respectfully asked you and sarah to leave me alone period. I will pray for you both.
          Concerned Person1 week ago
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          don't assume you know who this is as you don't, and the funny thing is for as long as i have known Sharon she's never mentioned having a daughter names Shayla only talked of Jessica, Sarah, and Ashley. The bottom line is glad to see Mason is doing well and wish him a very fast and full recovery. The best anyone can do is treat others as you want to be treated because you get in return what you give to others, and karma is there in the long run as ThatOneDaughter had mentioned. Respectfully Concerned Person
          sharonmccarthy1 week ago
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          I just wanted to thank everyone for all their kindness and prayers to the whole family in our time of tragedy. I am in Hopes the family continues to get stronger and Mason's next surgery goes very well. God has blessed our family and help us all on our way of healing.
          BearsFan4Ever1 week ago
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          my concern is why people would make personal nonsense air in someones time of need it makes me sick how people are behaving towards this misfortunate woman they speak of karma but do they really see karma will be at their doorsteps. i took time to seek this woman and those poor kids out and i was met by a nice woman not some monster as thatonedaughter and concerned person are claiming. a message to thatonedaugther is this just go on with your life and walk away you causes enough grief for your poor mom. you publically made a mess of yourself. your jeolousy for your brothers is screaming out go deal with that and grow up thank god those children will be alright one day from this accident the sad part is there is no insurance at all for them for all the no it alls out there she cannot sue due to the accident the fiances fault the other driver not liable she did not have auto insurance so all these words she has this and that is a flat out lie anyone that knows anything knows afdc is no longer in the works thanks to the good ole politicans so stop lying about financial matters concerned person you claim your so honest but your facts are wrong why should your words be taken into stock your probably some jeolous person but call yourself concerned you need to go to church and pray god forgives your nonsense it is disgusting my support and many other will be there for sharon and those sweet kids my gutt says she suffered enough especially with people like the above in her life i met shayla and she may not be sharons biological daughter but she is in all sense her child sharon shelters her feeds her helps her aim for education i have never met a more dedicated family and was highly impressed they live simple but bottomline is they are upfront and real unlike the disception of thatonedaughter and concerned persons intentions remember ladies karma it is out of text comparing that to an accident what did that poor 4 year old do to deserve that you two ladies are sick if you do not like the family than take this advice stay away from them people like you two they do not need i plan on being at the benefit and helping anyway i can my support is and will remain with the mccarthy family and god bless them on their path to find recovery i urge everyone to ignore the selfish teenager tantrums on here
          Concerned Person6 days ago
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          BearsFan4Ever you obviously have no clue what you're talking about, Sharon receives a medical card on her and the children, food stamps for them as well, she also receives Social Security Disability benefits. Yes she may of lost a car that she never paid for anyways as it was in collections due to her not paying it way before the accident. It saddens me as i personally have seen her attitude towards her biological children and when she would play one against the other. i can understand why you can't/won't see this for what it is as God interferes with you personal thoughts, you honestly need to put God aside and search the truth not always take someones word on the matter. actually all you have to do is read Sharons own statement about Shayla being her only non pregnant daughter which you confirmed she lied about, so what else does she lie about? wake up and see it for what it truly is a way for Sharon to get free $ when all of hers and Masons medical bills are paid for
          gram56 days ago
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          To concerned Person you apparently do not know how the medical card of the Stat of Illinois works as they DO NOT always pay 100% of the bills. For instance my youngest went to the pharmacy to pick up a perscription and was told the medicine was not covered and if she/he wanted to get it, it would cost
          $179.00. All I am saying is stick to facts about this not everything is covered and that is a fact of life.
          notimeforgames4 days ago
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          I think that this is all a bunch of games being played on here. This page is supposed to be for prayers from Mason & Logan. Not to air out dirty laundry about people. No matter how much beef you have with them.
          As for Shayla, I don't even know who you are, so why would I want to waste my time one you? You never once asked me to leave you alone either, because up until the other day, when I was told, I knew nothing of these comments on here. So nice try. As far as Concerned Person goes, I have know idea who they are. Appearently they know a lot about Sharon & the fact that she has 3 daughters.
          Just because there is tension in the family doesn't mean that you can go around bashing people either. All I am going to say other than what has been said is I hope the best for Mason & Logan. That they both recover soon & are able to get back to their normal children activites.
          SIGNED JESSICA
          friendtomany3 days ago
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          btw, i hope the little boy on the hospital makes a full recovery and i pray for him and for logan, who is going to need some serious counseling and help emotionally for a very long time..
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anne Bonney on October 15, 2010, 11:51:06 AM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          [size=150]How do people prey on children, To offend and hurt the parent,???????

          Nothing about this article concern's " Sharon ",  And look at how some will stop at no limits to carry on some stupid feud. And some of you condemn," Danny " for his past,???, Look at "This Sick Fuck" in our present and future, As bad as you guys, slam Danny he would never do something like this,I don't think people know the real Danny Bennison, he's nothing like this ass-hole in the article.And the one who posted this,does post here, "Cat got out of the bag". I use " Danny" because he seems to be the topic of abuse, to some of you, so while everyones on the subject, All I ask is look at this person in the public paper." Danny" is not a bad guy, this person in the news paper is. At least I see that.

          Danny gets the amount of attention he seeks.  He's all over this forum, in damn near every thread.  That's why people interact with Danny more and not "this person" as much.   I stay out of the Elan forum for the most part because I didn't go there and haven't done much research on my own about it, so I'm not up to speed on what's going on with the latest feud.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Froderik on October 15, 2010, 12:16:18 PM
          I've given up even reading his posts, I don't even know who the real "DB" is anymore, anyway...
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on October 15, 2010, 04:36:43 PM
          Quote from: "Froderik"
          I've given up even reading his posts, I don't even know who the real "DB" is anymore, anyway...

          Well said Frod.. I dont either any longer.. Its all busllshit
          That is probably the single-most painful thing for Danny. HE thrives on the attention. He has thread after thread of nothing but nonsense and lies. I personally have caught him in several,as have many others. Last count was over 200 threads of nonsense for the sole purpose of attention and to antagonize others.. did i spell that right ... who cares..
          I read that we Elan people have this bond. I have been thinking about it for a couple days and only agree partially.
          There are some,who are SO sick,that they are impossible to bond with. If they are attacked verbally, or in this shithole, I am thinking to myself  " what did they do to provoke this" Not that I find it ok,although I have been dragged into it myself.
          This bullshit with Sharon is just another crazy person who doing what we from Elan, have been trained to do. Whether conciously or other wise. I suspect that this person knows some things about Sharon that others may not. I also suspect that this person is very sick as well,and has found this to be the only way to gain attention for themselves. Or to make Sharon mad. Seems to be a great accomplishment here to make others mad or hurt them
          Either way its a cheap fucking shot
          But as been pointed out repeatedly.. Thats what we do. I wish I didnt. I also wish I never had gone to Elan. I cant think of a single thing that I got from there that  I find useful today. When I think of Elan.. Its all but painful memories except for the very few that I HAVE bonded with,and see or speak to frequently. Its a shame that places like this existed then,its criminal that they exist today with "Kruglick at the wheel".
          Regardless of who said what to whom...Sharon still has a tough road in front of her. For this I am truly sorry,and pray for her and her children regularly
          Mark
          How in the heck could you find what was written, semi-anonymously, to be any different than some of the horrid things you have published about me and others ? You are a very sick man yourself. In fact it wouldnt suprise me if you posted those things,just to stir things up,and ad to the number of hits on this thread. As we have seen you do before
          Holy Cow what a nasty place this is.. I gotta go wash my hands
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on October 15, 2010, 05:16:44 PM
          How do people prey on children, To offend and hurt the parent,???????
           
          Ya that never happened to me huh Mark.. and who was behind the wheel of that bus ?
          ?????????????????????????????????????????????????
          Ask yourself the same question
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB II on October 15, 2010, 05:20:01 PM
          Anne wrote:

          Danny gets the amount of attention he seeks.  He's all over this forum, in damn near every thread.  That's why people interact with Danny more and not "this person" as much.   I stay out of the Elan forum for the most part because I didn't go there and haven't done much research on my own about it, so I'm not up to speed on what's going on with the latest feud.


          Anne, gets the amount of attention she seeks.  She's all over this forum, in damn near every thread.  That's why people interact with Anne more and not "this person" as much.


          Sound about right Annie girl.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 15, 2010, 09:34:25 PM
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          Anne wrote:

          Danny gets the amount of attention he seeks.  He's all over this forum, in damn near every thread.  That's why people interact with Danny more and not "this person" as much.   I stay out of the Elan forum for the most part because I didn't go there and haven't done much research on my own about it, so I'm not up to speed on what's going on with the latest feud.


          Anne, gets the amount of attention she seeks.  She's all over this forum, in damn near every thread.  That's why people interact with Anne more and not "this person" as much.


          Sound about right Annie girl.

          Well Danny, I was right, The person surfaced right away, someone started questioning my abilities to find out the origins of the post in that article. Probably because they bragged about it to someone, and they got told on. Thats how I found out, Other wise why even question me about it,?? Most would just read it and say that was not cool, not accuse me of being like that to them. It's almost like justifying the writer in the article,???



           
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          How do people prey on children, To offend and hurt the parent,???????
           
          Ya that never happened to me huh Mark.. and who was behind the wheel of that bus ?
          ?????????????????????????????????????????????????
          Ask yourself the same question



          Well said Frod.. I dont either any longer.. Its all busllshit
          That is probably the single-most painful thing for Danny. HE thrives on the attention. He has thread after thread of nothing but nonsense and lies. I personally have caught him in several,as have many others. Last count was over 200 threads of nonsense for the sole purpose of attention and to antagonize others.. did i spell that right ... who cares..
          I read that we Elan people have this bond. I have been thinking about it for a couple days and only agree partially.
          There are some,who are SO sick,that they are impossible to bond with. If they are attacked verbally, or in this shithole, I am thinking to myself " what did they do to provoke this" Not that I find it ok,although I have been dragged into it myself.
          This bullshit with Sharon is just another crazy person who doing what we from Elan, have been trained to do. Whether conciously or other wise. I suspect that this person knows some things about Sharon that others may not. I also suspect that this person is very sick as well,and has found this to be the only way to gain attention for themselves. Or to make Sharon mad. Seems to be a great accomplishment here to make others mad or hurt them
          Either way its a cheap fucking shot
          But as been pointed out repeatedly.. Thats what we do. I wish I didnt. I also wish I never had gone to Elan. I cant think of a single thing that I got from there that I find useful today. When I think of Elan.. Its all but painful memories except for the very few that I HAVE bonded with,and see or speak to frequently. Its a shame that places like this existed then,its criminal that they exist today with "Kruglick at the wheel".
          Regardless of who said what to whom...Sharon still has a tough road in front of her. For this I am truly sorry,and pray for her and her children regularly
          Mark
          How in the heck could you find what was written, semi-anonymously, to be any different than some of the horrid things you have published about me and others ? You are a very sick man yourself. In fact it wouldnt suprise me if you posted those things,just to stir things up,and ad to the number of hits on this thread. As we have seen you do before
          Holy Cow what a nasty place this is.. I gotta go wash my hands



           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: WOW Did this post stir up good old "Fart", looks like guilt  :beat:  :beat:


          ,Pull The Needle Out Of Your Arm  Art, I Did Not Say It Was You ???, NO  !!!, But You Just Did. :beat:  :cheers:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rasta:  :rasta: Busted Again.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 15, 2010, 09:43:09 PM
          Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          [size=150]How do people prey on children, To offend and hurt the parent,???????

          Nothing about this article concern's " Sharon ",  And look at how some will stop at no limits to carry on some stupid feud. And some of you condemn," Danny " for his past,???, Look at "This Sick Fuck" in our present and future, As bad as you guys, slam Danny he would never do something like this,I don't think people know the real Danny Bennison, he's nothing like this ass-hole in the article.And the one who posted this,does post here, "Cat got out of the bag". I use " Danny" because he seems to be the topic of abuse, to some of you, so while everyones on the subject, All I ask is look at this person in the public paper." Danny" is not a bad guy, this person in the news paper is. At least I see that.

          Danny gets the amount of attention he seeks.  He's all over this forum, in damn near every thread.  That's why people interact with Danny more and not "this person" as much.   I stay out of the Elan forum for the most part because I didn't go there and haven't done much research on my own about it, so I'm not up to speed on what's going on with the latest feud.

           :cheers:  :whip:  :whip:      Anne Is Hot For Danny     :whip:  :whip:  :peace:  ::OMG::        
          Thats why she follow him around to argue all the time, How stable are you Anne,?? You call Danny the nut,?? I think his shit is tied tighter than yours, He seems to be happy and your always mad??, You do the math.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 15, 2010, 10:49:09 PM
          Good article for tomorrow, :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :peace:  :peace:  :rocker:  :rocker:



          http://www.journalstandard.com/ (http://www.journalstandard.com/)


          Coming home
          Freeport woman has both her boys home after July 31 crash
           
          Stefanie Weiss / The Journal-Standard
          Sharon McCarthy and her son Mason, 4, get ready to go for a walk on Friday, Oct. 15. 2010. Mason returned home Thursday, Oct. 14, 2010, after a three month hospital stay following a July 31, 2010, car accident.
           »
          By Jane Lethlean
          The Journal-Standard
          Posted Oct 15, 2010 @ 07:36 PM
                 
          Freeport, Ill. —
          For Sharon McCarthy, July 31 happened a long time ago. In the past three months, she has shuttled herself between Freeport, Rockford and Chicago to care for her two sons. Her oldest, Logan, 9, stayed with friends in Freeport as she tended to her youngest son, Mason, 4, who had been in the hospital since that fateful day in July when a car accident changed her family forever. The crash also killed her fiance, Tim Rodey.

           

          Thursday was a homecoming for this family. Mason, who suffered a brain injury in the car accident, came home to be with his family for the first time. Sharon is happy, overwhelmed and at peace knowing her two sons are back under her roof.

           

          “When I brought Mason into the home, he and Logan got onto the couch, hugged and kissed and just sat there forever,” Sharon said, holding back her tears. “It was such a touching moment.”

           

          The road back to “normal” for this family will take time. Mason has months of physical, occupational and speech therapy ahead. He has balance issues and cognitive skill issues. Sharon said the doctors told her it may take a year for his brain to heal. Cognitive issues may remain — with a brain injury, there are no definitive answers.

           

          “Right now, it is just day by day, but all I know is my boys are back together,” Sharon said. “In the beginning, I just hoped it would happen by Christmas — today I have both of their Halloween costumes ready.”

           

          Mason Comes Home

           

          Prior to Thursday, Sharon and Logan were counting the days to make their family unit whole. Before that could happen, Mason had to undergo one more surgery. Tuesday, doctors put back a portion of his skull that was removed to help reduce the swelling on his brain. Friday, Mason took a walk with his mother outside their home in Freeport. He does not like being in a wheelchair, but the chair is for his own good.

           

          “Mason has balance issues and still cannot walk like he should,” Sharon said. “He is under constant supervision to make sure he does not hurt himself.”

           

          While Sharon loves having her young son back at home, she is nervous. Her trips to Chicago are done, but the two to three days a week she goes to Rockford for therapy will begin in another week. She does not have a car. She will have to rely on family and friends to help her get the care her son will need.

           

          “Sometimes I feel overwhelmed,” Sharon said. “Mason has already surpassed expectations — he is my miracle, but I know we have a long road ahead.”

           

          Sharon holds back the tears as she speaks of her young son’s frustrations at not being able to do the things he used to do. It is hard for her to hear his cries — to see him struggle.

           

          “This is our life,” she said.

           

          Help on the Way

           

          To help offset medical costs and other financial hardships, friends are planning a benefit from 1 to 8 p.m. today at Freeport Moose Lodge. The band “Crunchy Frogs” will play music from the ‘50s, ‘60s and ‘70s. There will also be a silent auction, games for kids, and plenty of items raffled off to raise money for the McCarthy family.

           

          John Wienk is one of the organizers. Wienk, who has become a friend of the family, went to see Mason after his return home. Wienk said, “It was neat to see Mason out and about and to be able to hear his voice.”

           

          Freeport Moose Lodge is donating the site for the benefit. It will be held in the bingo room. Wienk said door prizes will be given. Barbecue sandwiches will be served and there is also a chance to try your hand at karaoke. People looking for NASCAR items will also find a Jeff Gordon coat. There will also be a Chicago Cubs plaque donated from the 1984 championship.

           

          Sharon said she is looking forward to the benefit. She wants people to be able to see her son. She sees it as a celebration of what he has gone through, and also as a tribute to Tim. She is also humble about the need for financial help, but it’s something she needs to survive.

           

          “This is for my boys,” she said.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB II on October 15, 2010, 11:11:31 PM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Good article for tomorrow, :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :peace:  :peace:  :rocker:  :rocker:



          http://www.journalstandard.com/ (http://www.journalstandard.com/)


          Coming home
          Freeport woman has both her boys home after July 31 crash
           
          Stefanie Weiss / The Journal-Standard
          Sharon McCarthy and her son Mason, 4, get ready to go for a walk on Friday, Oct. 15. 2010. Mason returned home Thursday, Oct. 14, 2010, after a three month hospital stay following a July 31, 2010, car accident.
           »
          By Jane Lethlean
          The Journal-Standard
          Posted Oct 15, 2010 @ 07:36 PM
                 
          Freeport, Ill. —
          For Sharon McCarthy, July 31 happened a long time ago. In the past three months, she has shuttled herself between Freeport, Rockford and Chicago to care for her two sons. Her oldest, Logan, 9, stayed with friends in Freeport as she tended to her youngest son, Mason, 4, who had been in the hospital since that fateful day in July when a car accident changed her family forever. The crash also killed her fiance, Tim Rodey.

           

          Thursday was a homecoming for this family. Mason, who suffered a brain injury in the car accident, came home to be with his family for the first time. Sharon is happy, overwhelmed and at peace knowing her two sons are back under her roof.

           

          “When I brought Mason into the home, he and Logan got onto the couch, hugged and kissed and just sat there forever,” Sharon said, holding back her tears. “It was such a touching moment.”

           

          The road back to “normal” for this family will take time. Mason has months of physical, occupational and speech therapy ahead. He has balance issues and cognitive skill issues. Sharon said the doctors told her it may take a year for his brain to heal. Cognitive issues may remain — with a brain injury, there are no definitive answers.

           

          “Right now, it is just day by day, but all I know is my boys are back together,” Sharon said. “In the beginning, I just hoped it would happen by Christmas — today I have both of their Halloween costumes ready.”

           

          Mason Comes Home

           

          Prior to Thursday, Sharon and Logan were counting the days to make their family unit whole. Before that could happen, Mason had to undergo one more surgery. Tuesday, doctors put back a portion of his skull that was removed to help reduce the swelling on his brain. Friday, Mason took a walk with his mother outside their home in Freeport. He does not like being in a wheelchair, but the chair is for his own good.

           

          “Mason has balance issues and still cannot walk like he should,” Sharon said. “He is under constant supervision to make sure he does not hurt himself.”

           

          While Sharon loves having her young son back at home, she is nervous. Her trips to Chicago are done, but the two to three days a week she goes to Rockford for therapy will begin in another week. She does not have a car. She will have to rely on family and friends to help her get the care her son will need.

           

          “Sometimes I feel overwhelmed,” Sharon said. “Mason has already surpassed expectations — he is my miracle, but I know we have a long road ahead.”

           

          Sharon holds back the tears as she speaks of her young son’s frustrations at not being able to do the things he used to do. It is hard for her to hear his cries — to see him struggle.

           

          “This is our life,” she said.

           

          Help on the Way

           

          To help offset medical costs and other financial hardships, friends are planning a benefit from 1 to 8 p.m. today at Freeport Moose Lodge. The band “Crunchy Frogs” will play music from the ‘50s, ‘60s and ‘70s. There will also be a silent auction, games for kids, and plenty of items raffled off to raise money for the McCarthy family.

           

          John Wienk is one of the organizers. Wienk, who has become a friend of the family, went to see Mason after his return home. Wienk said, “It was neat to see Mason out and about and to be able to hear his voice.”

           

          Freeport Moose Lodge is donating the site for the benefit. It will be held in the bingo room. Wienk said door prizes will be given. Barbecue sandwiches will be served and there is also a chance to try your hand at karaoke. People looking for NASCAR items will also find a Jeff Gordon coat. There will also be a Chicago Cubs plaque donated from the 1984 championship.

           

          Sharon said she is looking forward to the benefit. She wants people to be able to see her son. She sees it as a celebration of what he has gone through, and also as a tribute to Tim. She is also humble about the need for financial help, but it’s something she needs to survive.

           

          “This is for my boys,” she said.


          This is great, Mark. Please give Sharon and her family all my blessings.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB ll on October 16, 2010, 12:25:08 AM

           

          You Will All Beleive And Understand My Manifesto
          by DannyB ll »

          My Manifesto

          My name is Daniel Bennison, I was in Elan from 6/75 till 1/77 as a resident and a employee from 1/77 till 11/78.

          I bring this up because of past and recent events and interactions with other residents. Guys this will be the last post I do to defend really (the indefensible) the abuse committed while I was affiliated with Elan. Whooter has informed me that he is writing a book and that I am in it on Chap. 5 because of abuses on committed at Elan while as a employee. This was my response to him after being told this,"I want you to quote this in your book. I did not say I did not abuse kids because I did as a resident and a employee. As a resident I fought in the ring for the house, screamed at folks during GM's, during a haircut, encounter groups and screamed at folks shot down while walking the house.As a employee I committed all of the abuse I mentioned above plus directed residents to verbally assault and demean residents. Did I physically abuse people, ? Yes. Now does this make me a better person then the next employee,? Yes it really does. All I am doing here is stating a fact."John has also taken the liberties of threatening me with exposer concerning accusations of abuse and that I had committed while staff, with 5 or more witnesses to these incidents.I don't think that you folks really want a all out war of words on this site but on the other hand I can see where it is constructive to have a resident call out a staff member of Elan who posts here, on supposed abuses. I don't mind that a book is being written about Elan and the abuses Staff committed. Just remember though I will not apologize to anyone for any abuses I did commit.There was enough bullshit that happened from 75-78 for me to have given a lifetime of nightmares to others, without anyone making me do something I truly don't mean. John says I was Staff/Ass.Director (E-7). I was staff/Ass.Director E-7 from 2/78 till 8/78, I transferred to a different position/different house till 11/78. I am curious as to how John knows I arrived at E-7 in 1978. Anyway I post here and I am open to conversation, you would think that John would use my information to his advantage, for he is also an abuser of others. there are also other staff and Ass. directors who have information that would help in exposing Elan, John and Felice are both frauds, As far as the dragging incident I am not nor will I be ashamed at programs and the courses it takes, I know that the once Fat Girl thanks me now. I will help any of you lose wight like here just call me,Now first off Felice is very well prepared for this sort of thing because she has been haunting this sites for over 10 years. The only thing one has to do is ask Felice about her family sibling, parents and children and you can see the abuse. Far after she left Elan and still present today. I will not get into specifics right now only to say her garbage is still going on. This is of her own making though she will blame everyone else a common trait of Art and herself. Then pick on other residents if their still not satisfied. Felice you are still very sick, you hang out with Art and you harass people. A nother side of Felice is her brilliance with Art, she is masterful, she also has great ability with filming herself in the wild, and last her passion is trolling survivor sites, Felice stay with your strengths and stop with the dirt business it is unbecoming of you, Felice is a much more horrible woman then any of us would dream of,That's right Felice and your still an idiot and maybe if you had not posted your crap, I would let you satisfy me and get me into the mood lady friend, you and I would be alright, but no you had to stoop to a disgusting level. So you keep posting away to prove your point. As far as I'm concerned you have no class what so ever. You call yourself a woman, please. Run to Art.

          And "Anne" I list you with them, your someone who know nothing about programs and Elan.

          As far as the car dragging incident, I did plenty of shit in the program that I don't regret now. Hell yes! You may already know this but Straight took the mutual- abuse thing to another level. A good portion of each day was spent abusing each other in group in one form or another. Virtually everyone there did shit to somebody else that they don't regret it now. I understand how people got caught up in that shit at Elan but I don't understand the why the car incident is such a big deal. You really don't upset me about it at all. I mean, I feel no guilty about poking people in the back, helping restrain people and confronting people. When I had dragged that girl behind a car, I held my head with pride and I would do everything I could keep helping people in programs. I would oppose programs that don't have some kind of abuses as part of the atonement for those sins of the residents, towards their family's and friends. I did't care then and I don't care now,it's the past, and I did what I had to do, and would gladly do it ,.


          If It Wasn't For Programs, I Would Be Dead .

          Danny Has Spoken And Shared The Love.

          I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it. I live for it.

          I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing. But I know more than All.

          Earth is the insane asylum for the universe.I have my own space.

          Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive. We all need programs of some kind..
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on October 16, 2010, 06:26:10 AM
          Another set up
          Glad nothing has changed Mark. To my knowledge this makes multiple times you have brought some bs delusion from one internet site to Fornits. For the sole purpose of attention,and stirring shit up. I dont think you are happy unless you are in the middle of some bullshit. Sharon is no dummy. Therre will come a time when she realizes what you really are.
          Sharon didnt bring it.
          Danny didnt bring it.
          Nor did I
          But as usual.. Here you are lying your ass off.
          Have you seen a shrink for this disorder ?
          Guilt ?
          None !
          My side of the street is clean.
          Needles ?
          Speaking of cheapshots
          Try acting like a grown up and stop manufacturing lie after lie
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Eliscu2 on October 16, 2010, 06:42:36 AM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          How do people prey on children, To offend and hurt the parent,???????

          Nothing about this article concern's " Sharon ",  And look at how some will stop at no limits to carry on some stupid feud. And some of you condemn," Danny " for his past,???, Look at "This Sick Fuck" in our present and future, As bad as you guys, slam Danny he would never do something like this,I don't think people know the real Danny Bennison, he's nothing like this ass-hole in the article.And the one who posted this,does post here, "Cat got out of the bag". I use " Danny" because he seems to be the topic of abuse, to some of you, so while everyones on the subject, All I ask is look at this person in the public paper." Danny" is not a bad guy, this person in the news paper is. At least I see that.

          Mark. :rocker:  :rocker:





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          Fight for life
          ‘Love is a given’ for Freeport woman as she clings to hope for her son



           
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          Mason McCarthy, 4, suffered a brain injury in a July 31 car accident in Jo Daviess County. Once his condition is stable, he will be moved to a rehabilitation unit somewhere in the Chicago area.

           


           

           




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          By Jane Lethlean
          The Journal-Standard
          Posted Aug 10, 2010 @ 07:05 PM
                 
          Rockford, Ill. —
          For the past 10 days, Sharon McCarthy of Freeport has been clinging to hope. She is also tapping into faith, something that is new to her. She admits religion has never been a big part of her life. Today, however, she prays to God and believes her life and the life of her son, Mason, is in His hands. She said she feels the presence of God and spends a lot of time in the chapel at Rockford
          Memorial Hospital.

          In an instant, life changed for this woman and her family. A July 31 car accident in Jo Daviess County claimed the life of her fiance, Tim Rodey; and injured her and both of her sons, Logan, 9, and Mason, 4. Since that day, she has spent all of her waking moments at the bedside of Mason, who fights for his life after sustaining a life-threatening brain injury.

          McCarthy, who also suffers from a chronic back injury, sustained injuries herself in the crash. Against her own doctor’s advice, she checked herself out of the hospital to be at the side of her son. She grasps at hope. She cries. She worries about the future. But it is this unwavering love that drives her. She wants her son to survive and is willing to do anything to make sure this happens.

          McCarthy has spent her last dime on a guest room at the hospital. Logan is staying with family in Racine, Wis. She is in constant phone contact with Logan, who also suffered numerous facial injuries and broken teeth from the crash.

          “Walking is hard for me these days — I can’t sleep — I’m in pain and I don’t have time to worry about myself,” McCarthy said. “I think of Tim and then I cry, but I have to focus on Mason — he’s just a little boy who needs his mama.”

          Day Turns to Night

          In an instant, a family unit was destroyed. McCarthy said what was a sunny pleasure trip for this small family, turned dark in an instant. It was a day trip to Platteville, Wis., that ended with a fatal crash at the close of the day. The foursome were returning to Freeport when they collided with another vehicle.

          Logan saw the crash coming. His mother said he reached for the belt holding his younger brother’s car seat. By pulling the seat closer, he may have saved his brother’s life. McCarthy said Logan is traumatized by the accident. The problem is he cannot be with his mother. This is hard on McCarthy.

          “One of my sons is fighting for his physical life and the other is fighting for emotional health,” McCarthy said through her tears. “Both my sons need me — I just hope Logan understands this.”

          McCarthy fights back tears when she speaks of the loss of Tim. Upon impact, he was thrown against her. She said she knew he was dead. She bears a large bruise on her arm where his head hit her. She wears a matching T-shirt they both shared, which keeps thoughts of him closer. Her focus right now, though, is Mason.

          The night of the accident, the children were transported to Rockford by helicopter. McCarthy rode by ambulance. She said it was the longest ride of her life. Medications confused her, but she knew things were bad. Doctors told her Mason had a brain injury and that he was in a coma.

          Looking to the Future

          Since that day, McCarthy has been at his bedside — trying to figure out their future. Monday was the first time McCarthy was told Mason would survive. Tuesday he was becoming more alert and at the end of the week, he may be transported to a rehabilitation facility in the Chicago area. He has months of therapy ahead of him.

          “God and I have had quite the conversations since that awful day,” McCarthy said. “I’ve never been a religious person before, but I am leaving things up to God — He is in control now.

          “It’s a miracle Mason is still alive — his brother saved him — and God,” she added.

          Struggle of Life

          McCarthy has had her share of struggles. Life has not been kind to her, but she is trying. She is two classes away from a college degree in psychology. She wants to teach children.

          Tim came back into her life when she needed something more. They were planning a future together. She said she misses him, but her children need her.

          “I’m trying to plan for an uncertain future,” McCarthy said. “I know Mason has a long road ahead of him — I’ll be there for him — I’ll do what I can.”

          McCarthy is scared. She has no car. One of her sons is out of state. She may have to leave for an indefinite amount of time while Mason convalesces. She fears the unknown. She is putting all her faith in God.

          McCarthy smiles when she speaks of Mason, whom she calls “Masy-Moo.” She wants people to know this little boy with a big smile is active, creative, and loving. She said she is trying to stay strong for both of her boys. Though sadness often comes over her, she grabs onto hope.

          “I’d die if I didn’t have hope,” she said. “Love is a given — simple as that — and when I see Mason hold onto his koala bear — I think of his smile — I just want my boy back.”

          McCarthy admits to feeling overwhelmed these days. She worries about money, as well as Logan and Mason.

          “They cannot tell me what the future holds for Mason,” McCarthy said, fighting back tears. “I used to be a mom who could fix everything — now I feel powerless — it’s overwhelming, but I grab onto hope.”

          Copyright 2010 The Journal-Standard. Some rights reserved

          Comments (21)
          Packerbacker2 months ago
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          One never knows when something like this is going to occur. God is with all the time regardless of our belief or non belief. He is the Savior and hope for all of us. In order to reach Heaven, one must have Faith, because it is only through Faith that we can all receive the gracious blessings that God has given/awaiting us. Please continue to PRAY and I'm sure that he will be there for you. While this is a very traumatic time for you and your family, God will prevail. Tonight I will say a special prayer for you and your family!! Please continue to believe in Jesus Christ and remember that ALL of us rely on our belief that he is the Saviour in our lives. May God continue to bless you and yours now and forever!!!!
          78pretzel2 months ago
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          Prayers are being sent to you and your family. Please do not give up hope you will get through this. The community of Freeport needs to do something for you and your family. Fundraiser... something. God Bless you and please continue to rely on God, as he would never forsake his Child.
          racefan4life132 months ago
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          Our thoughts and prayers are with you!! Don't give up hope stay positive May god bless you and your children
          savannahboerst2 months ago
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          hey sharon,
          this is a really good article and i feel for you and macy and logan. I feel bad for your loss, but you always need to think of the positive! keep in touch with amber and holly, they keep me informed!!!!!!!!
          Savannah
          Thatonedaughter1 month ago
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          My thoughts and prayers go out to moo moo and logie. Their big sister loves them. I believe that this happened from karma. God wanted her to realize after throwing her pregnant daughter out on the streets for hanging out with a black boy that's not how you treat people. I pray every night for my brothers even Sharon. I read articles and things posted about mason. If I visit however I get threatened with police. Even if I have permission. I want everyone to continue to pray for my family. I love them very much. Yet I'm conflicted on how to react to everyone praising Sharon. I'd be focused on the babys. And I pray they will find their way through life and live to have their own families and children of their own! Like their two eldest sisters.
          sharonmccarthy1 month ago
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          First off I do not have a clue who would be so heartless as to act like my daughter on here. I do not have any pregnant daughters. I only have three sons, Steven 13, Logan 9, and Mason 4. and one non pregnant daughter, Shayla 18. Other than that I am beyond clueless as to the nature of stating such vile. I will pray for your soul making a mockery out of my family in crisis. Please seek professional help for your delusional state. I would like to thank everyone for the love and support they have shown to my family. Thank you.
          sharonmccarthy1 month ago
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          My original comment seemed to have disappeared. I may have pressed wrong buttons. I am completely outraged someone would act like my daughter on here. I have three sons.Steven 13, Logan 9, and Mason 4. And a very non pregnant daughter Shayla, 18. It amazes me as to why someone would completely insult the tragedy my family endured and it completely is a mystery to me as to why someone would claim to be my child that is not legally mine what so ever. I find the person whomever it is needs to seek professional help. I will pray for your soul. To make a mockery of our misfortune and loss is very disturbing.
          sharonmccarthy1 month ago
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          I would like to thank everyone for their kind words of support and encouragement to my family in our time of need.
          shayybear921 month ago
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          hi this is shayla... sharons only NON pregnant daughter so to thatoneduaghter on here if i was you i would stop while your a head cause all your doing is hurting my family that has already been hurt as bad as they have.. we dont even know who you are and legally you can get in trouble for slandering our family at a time like this. so please stop talking like that. i cant believe you would even talk like that when a little boy is sitting in a rehab center trying to fight for his life back.
          to everybody else thank you so much for all the prayers and everything and im so unbelievably thankful for everybodys help and concern thank you so much and please keep the prayers coming. me and loggie miss macey moo so much we cant bare it anymore we just want him home... we know hell be home really soon but we dont wanna wait any more.. im going to see him this weekend and im super excited. i cant wait. we hope to see everybody at the benefit on october 16th at the moose lodge here in freeport.. well see you soon.
          MasonsFriend1 month ago
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          I am saddened at some of the comments that have been placed here. This article was supposed to be about a little boy and his fight for recovery. His fight that started after he was involved in a horrific car accident. A precious Angel he is. The comment left by 'thatonedaughter' you should be ashamed of yourself. In a families time of sorrow, you choose to leave a comment such as you did. I'm not sure of the facts but I do know that this is not the place to air unsavory remarks. Leave this boy to recover peacefully. He needs his family, with all the love and support they have been giving him. they do not need to be harrassed by an unsavory character... Thankyou... Mason, I send you my Love and thoughts and prayers. You are truly a remarkable boy...
          Brandy J4 weeks ago
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          ok, I just found out about this article and being that I am sharon's best friend I feel the need to speak. Especially concerning this one daughter person whom I'm fairly sure who it is. I'm african american and Sharon doesn't have a racist bone in her body so you should be ashamed of yourself for even trying to imply that she is. Secondly, what kind of supposed daughter abandon's her family for a boy she's only known a week? So, I suggest you keep your comments on the up and up, because you know I know it all... and I am not afraid to say it, so lets go by that age old adage...if you can't say something nice don't say anything at all. Now, that that is handle; to my girl Sharon and loggie and masyyy I will try to be there soon and I love you lots and loggie your 'Madea' misses you and is keeping you all in prayer. Kiss and big hugs!!!!
          Concerned Person3 weeks ago
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          first off i would like to comment on Brandy's statement as stating 'whom I'm fairly sure who it is' and no where in theonedaughters statement did she mention (quoted from Brandy) 'what kind of supposed daughter abandon's her family for a boy she's only known a week', where did this individual mention anything about how long she was with the boy?, so i take it if you know this person you know that there's more truth to it then you're letting on to, Secondly what happened to Sharon's daughters Ashley, Sarah, Jessica?, did she just happen to forget about them or disown them and write them off?, Third why is there a benefit for Mason? as Sharon receives AFDC benefits (medical, food stamps, and monetary) for her and the children, i personally think that the Journal should of done a little more investigation on the full situation as Sharon stated she's spent all her money on a room and Mason's medical when she didn't have to pay a dime due to AFDC covering it all not including hospital donation of room and food for Sharon, i am not agreeing with how this person came about it due to the circumstances yet i feel you should be fully honest instead of hiding things to benefit yourself financially or perceive to look better, i don't care if you adopted out your other daughers yet to discount them fully i feel is very disrepectful to your other biological children to forget them as you have
          Thatonedaughter2 weeks ago
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          Thank you whoever posted above me. I was not bashing her I was simply stating a fact. That I personally was conflicted when I read this. The journal should have done a further investigation of what she stated and of course they didnt. It really doesn't matter. Regardless, I still believe my comment is worth every word. Its strictly a comment. Comments are personal opinions. And BRANDY I did not abandon my family She abandoned me. Then slandered my name. I do not have a boyfriend, I have a baby on the way. And being single and raising a child is not a crime in the United States.

          I stated I was conflicted I even said I was praying for her. Then I get bashed from left and right (not on here directly). Life continues on, As I stated I will continue to pray for the babys and I hope everyone who reads this nonsence continues to pray for them too.

          And SHAYLA there was no bashing involved, yet if you want to go there I can file complete harrasment charges on you and your 'mother'. So dont go there.
          shayybear922 weeks ago
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          concerned person aka jessica knock it completely off. I have respectfully asked you and sarah to leave me alone period. I will pray for you both.
          Concerned Person1 week ago
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          don't assume you know who this is as you don't, and the funny thing is for as long as i have known Sharon she's never mentioned having a daughter names Shayla only talked of Jessica, Sarah, and Ashley. The bottom line is glad to see Mason is doing well and wish him a very fast and full recovery. The best anyone can do is treat others as you want to be treated because you get in return what you give to others, and karma is there in the long run as ThatOneDaughter had mentioned. Respectfully Concerned Person
          sharonmccarthy1 week ago
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          I just wanted to thank everyone for all their kindness and prayers to the whole family in our time of tragedy. I am in Hopes the family continues to get stronger and Mason's next surgery goes very well. God has blessed our family and help us all on our way of healing.
          BearsFan4Ever1 week ago
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          my concern is why people would make personal nonsense air in someones time of need it makes me sick how people are behaving towards this misfortunate woman they speak of karma but do they really see karma will be at their doorsteps. i took time to seek this woman and those poor kids out and i was met by a nice woman not some monster as thatonedaughter and concerned person are claiming. a message to thatonedaugther is this just go on with your life and walk away you causes enough grief for your poor mom. you publically made a mess of yourself. your jeolousy for your brothers is screaming out go deal with that and grow up thank god those children will be alright one day from this accident the sad part is there is no insurance at all for them for all the no it alls out there she cannot sue due to the accident the fiances fault the other driver not liable she did not have auto insurance so all these words she has this and that is a flat out lie anyone that knows anything knows afdc is no longer in the works thanks to the good ole politicans so stop lying about financial matters concerned person you claim your so honest but your facts are wrong why should your words be taken into stock your probably some jeolous person but call yourself concerned you need to go to church and pray god forgives your nonsense it is disgusting my support and many other will be there for sharon and those sweet kids my gutt says she suffered enough especially with people like the above in her life i met shayla and she may not be sharons biological daughter but she is in all sense her child sharon shelters her feeds her helps her aim for education i have never met a more dedicated family and was highly impressed they live simple but bottomline is they are upfront and real unlike the disception of thatonedaughter and concerned persons intentions remember ladies karma it is out of text comparing that to an accident what did that poor 4 year old do to deserve that you two ladies are sick if you do not like the family than take this advice stay away from them people like you two they do not need i plan on being at the benefit and helping anyway i can my support is and will remain with the mccarthy family and god bless them on their path to find recovery i urge everyone to ignore the selfish teenager tantrums on here
          Concerned Person6 days ago
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          BearsFan4Ever you obviously have no clue what you're talking about, Sharon receives a medical card on her and the children, food stamps for them as well, she also receives Social Security Disability benefits. Yes she may of lost a car that she never paid for anyways as it was in collections due to her not paying it way before the accident. It saddens me as i personally have seen her attitude towards her biological children and when she would play one against the other. i can understand why you can't/won't see this for what it is as God interferes with you personal thoughts, you honestly need to put God aside and search the truth not always take someones word on the matter. actually all you have to do is read Sharons own statement about Shayla being her only non pregnant daughter which you confirmed she lied about, so what else does she lie about? wake up and see it for what it truly is a way for Sharon to get free $ when all of hers and Masons medical bills are paid for
          gram56 days ago
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          To concerned Person you apparently do not know how the medical card of the Stat of Illinois works as they DO NOT always pay 100% of the bills. For instance my youngest went to the pharmacy to pick up a perscription and was told the medicine was not covered and if she/he wanted to get it, it would cost
          $179.00. All I am saying is stick to facts about this not everything is covered and that is a fact of life.
          notimeforgames4 days ago
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          I think that this is all a bunch of games being played on here. This page is supposed to be for prayers from Mason & Logan. Not to air out dirty laundry about people. No matter how much beef you have with them.
          As for Shayla, I don't even know who you are, so why would I want to waste my time one you? You never once asked me to leave you alone either, because up until the other day, when I was told, I knew nothing of these comments on here. So nice try. As far as Concerned Person goes, I have know idea who they are. Appearently they know a lot about Sharon & the fact that she has 3 daughters.
          Just because there is tension in the family doesn't mean that you can go around bashing people either. All I am going to say other than what has been said is I hope the best for Mason & Logan. That they both recover soon & are able to get back to their normal children activites.
          SIGNED JESSICA
          friendtomany3 days ago
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          btw, i hope the little boy on the hospital makes a full recovery and i pray for him and for logan, who is going to need some serious counseling and help emotionally for a very long time..


          I really like Sharron and I pray for her child...it's all I can do.
          Best wishes for the kid...it's a long road to recovery.
          Luckily she has plenty of support. :rose:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Eliscu2 on October 16, 2010, 06:52:45 AM
          :tup:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Eliscu2 on October 16, 2010, 07:06:18 AM
          :beat:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 16, 2010, 09:09:14 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Another set up
          Glad nothing has changed Mark. To my knowledge this makes multiple times you have brought some bs delusion from one internet site to Fornits. For the sole purpose of attention,and stirring shit up. I dont think you are happy unless you are in the middle of some bullshit. Sharon is no dummy. Therre will come a time when she realizes what you really are.
          Sharon didnt bring it.
          Danny didnt bring it.
          Nor did I
          But as usual.. Here you are lying your ass off.
          Have you seen a shrink for this disorder ?
          Guilt ?
          None !
          My side of the street is clean.
          Needles ?
          Speaking of cheapshots
          Try acting like a grown up and stop manufacturing lie after lie


          "Art"  the truth be told, Sharon is the one that told me you were still harassing her and wrote to the paper,How do you think I was aware of the article?? So don't always blame me for things,you are at the helm of this.See you at the benefit. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 16, 2010, 09:26:51 AM
          Quote from: "Eliscu2"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Another set up
          Glad nothing has changed Mark. To my knowledge this makes multiple times you have brought some bs delusion from one internet site to Fornits. For the sole purpose of attention,and stirring shit up. I dont think you are happy unless you are in the middle of some bullshit. Sharon is no dummy. Therre will come a time when she realizes what you really are.
          Sharon didnt bring it.
          Danny didnt bring it.
          Nor did I
          But as usual.. Here you are lying your ass off.
          Have you seen a shrink for this disorder ?
          Guilt ?
          None !
          My side of the street is clean.
          Needles ?
          Speaking of cheapshots
          Try acting like a grown up and stop manufacturing lie after lie

          This is all so fuckin retarded.
          My Brother Mathew is in rehab right now for shooting Heroine (20 years)
          Mathew Eliscu went to Valley View School.
          Art was there for both of us and NO HE IS NOT ON DRUGS!!
          Guilt really does kill because I feel like this whole accident is my fault.
          I asked Sharron and Tim for help and they drove to my house and helped me.
          The accident happened on the way back to Freeport.
          I will never ask for help again.


          Don't beat yourself up Felice ,things happen we have no control over, and this wasn't your fault.Tim pulled out not paying attention, and the other car was speeding they said, So it was really just bad luck,not fault.No one blames you for anything, especially Sharon. And I know deep down, she would drive to help you out again if she needed too.and so would I or anyone else from Elan, We do stick together, Heck I would even help out " Art" if he was in real trouble, We might go back to arguing after it was over, but I would still try and help him if I could. Deep down, we all went threw a concentration camp no one could understand. I think we would put all of our differences aside, when trouble really hit's one of us.In the end thats all we have, no one else would understand our pasts and what brought us to now.  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:

          Mark.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Eliscu2 on October 16, 2010, 10:30:58 AM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "Eliscu2"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Another set up
          Glad nothing has changed Mark. To my knowledge this makes multiple times you have brought some bs delusion from one internet site to Fornits. For the sole purpose of attention,and stirring shit up. I dont think you are happy unless you are in the middle of some bullshit. Sharon is no dummy. Therre will come a time when she realizes what you really are.
          Sharon didnt bring it.
          Danny didnt bring it.
          Nor did I
          But as usual.. Here you are lying your ass off.
          Have you seen a shrink for this disorder ?
          Guilt ?
          None !
          My side of the street is clean.
          Needles ?
          Speaking of cheapshots
          Try acting like a grown up and stop manufacturing lie after lie

          This is all so fuckin retarded.
          My Brother Mathew is in rehab right now for shooting Heroine (20 years)
          Mathew Eliscu went to Valley View School.
          Art was there for both of us and NO HE IS NOT ON DRUGS!!
          Guilt really does kill because I feel like this whole accident is my fault.
          I asked Sharron and Tim for help and they drove to my house and helped me.
          The accident happened on the way back to Freeport.
          I will never ask for help again.


          Don't beat yourself up Felice ,things happen we have no control over, and this wasn't your fault.Tim pulled out not paying attention, and the other car was speeding they said, So it was really just bad luck,not fault.No one blames you for anything, especially Sharon. And I know deep down, she would drive to help you out again if she needed too.and so would I or anyone else from Elan, We do stick together, Heck I would even help out " Art" if he was in real trouble, We might go back to arguing after it was over, but I would still try and help him if I could. Deep down, we all went threw a concentration camp no one could understand. I think we would put all of our differences aside, when trouble really hit's one of us.In the end thats all we have, no one else would understand our pasts and what brought us to now.  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:

          Mark.
          Thanks Mark...... :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on October 16, 2010, 11:00:59 AM
          "Art" the truth be told, Sharon is the one that told me you were still harassing her and wrote to the paper,How do you think I was aware of the article?? So don't always blame me for things,you are at the helm of this.See you at the benefit.
           
          this may come as a shock to you
          If what your saying is true.. Its one of her bigger "Whoppers" that she or you have told
          You will not see me at the benefit. I have no interest
          I am at the helm of nothing
          Wish her well
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB II on October 16, 2010, 01:05:28 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          "Art" the truth be told, Sharon is the one that told me you were still harassing her and wrote to the paper,How do you think I was aware of the article?? So don't always blame me for things,you are at the helm of this.See you at the benefit.
           
          this may come as a shock to you
          If what your saying is true.. Its one of her bigger "Whoppers" that she or you have told
          You will not see me at the benefit. I have no interest
          I am at the helm of nothing
          Wish her well


          Art, damn it, you had better be at that benefit for her children. This is something that you should be able to rise above and do the right thing.
          Listen I have had my share of problems with folks here, some caused by my selfishness and other issues out of my control. Yet this tragedy that has fallen on Sharon and her family begs for everyone to stop and help. We are all here from Elan, we have to help in anyway we can.
           
          Mark, please I need the information on this benefit please, when, where ect.... or if I want to send a donation where and how.
          Sharon love you, girl.
          Felice, whether you know it or not, you are very important in our lives and we need you to be here with us. Still have the love for you.

          Thanks Danny
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on October 16, 2010, 05:57:12 PM
          Art, damn it, you had better be at that benefit for her children. This is something that you should be able to rise above and do the right thing
           
          Ha funny Danny
          I do care. Thats my whole problem. Then I get shit on.
          You people arent to be trusted,and YOU are at the head of the class
          I have risen above this and everything else multiple times. Only to have it stuck in my ass.
          I was prepared to be of service in a number of ways.
          Am all done doing that.
          I'll send her a check
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB II on October 16, 2010, 07:08:43 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Art, damn it, you had better be at that benefit for her children. This is something that you should be able to rise above and do the right thing
           
          Ha funny Danny
          I do care. Thats my whole problem. Then I get shit on.
          You people arent to be trusted,and YOU are at the head of the class
          I have risen above this and everything else multiple times. Only to have it stuck in my ass.
          I was prepared to be of service in a number of ways.
          Am all done doing that.
          I'll send her a check

          Art, who cares what anyone has done to anyone. Really now, can anybody here that went to Elan hurt you. There words Art, just words. We need to stop being so sensitive.
          Go to the benefit, give her a big hug, tell her ya love her, hand her the check and leave. You will feel better for it, I promise you.
          I know easier said then done. Just a suggestion.
          Hey take care of yourself too.

          Danny
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on October 16, 2010, 09:00:58 PM
          Danny
          You are fucking hysterical,and yet what you say isnt all bad.
          "Truth be told" I was going to this benefit until I was shit on. Only thing I take serious about Sharon and Mark,is the amount of BS these 2 can make up,then throw at you. Go Scapegoat someone else!
          I hope the newspaper researches all of the postings,and files a criminal case against who is saying these horrible things to Sharon.. Maybe that would put an end to her paranoid accusations regarding me. I could never "discredit" Sharon or Mark ever again. They have taken the job upon themselves. They do it Very Well
          Funny I didnt see you hop on a 59.00 flight ....outa Atlanta to Midway.. 22  a day on Delta
          I am SURE your check is already in the mail Danny
           
          Mark.. You might have just asked me. I dont lie
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 17, 2010, 12:08:19 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Danny
          You are fucking hysterical,and yet what you say isnt all bad.
          "Truth be told" I was going to this benefit until I was shit on. Only thing I take serious about Sharon and Mark,is the amount of BS these 2 can make up,then throw at you. Go Scapegoat someone else!
          I hope the newspaper researches all of the postings,and files a criminal case against who is saying these horrible things to Sharon.. Maybe that would put an end to her paranoid accusations regarding me. I could never "discredit" Sharon or Mark ever again. They have taken the job upon themselves. They do it Very Well
          Funny I didnt see you hop on a 59.00 flight ....outa Atlanta to Midway.. 22  a day on Delta
          I am SURE your check is already in the mail Danny
           
          Mark.. You might have just asked me. I dont lie


          Art !, Art!, Art!, Stop !!!!!!  :rocker: ," Pull The Needle Out "  :suicide: Your exposing yourself  ::puke::  ::puke:: ,Quit being  so mean and nasty  ::puke:: , Send your check,but don't be so spiteful.Your also a very hurtful and nasty person Art. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on October 17, 2010, 05:48:07 AM
          Nope
          I am none of those things Marky
          Go Fuck Yourself
          Exposed for what ? Not being interested in playing your usual little girl games ?
          Arent you like 50 yrs old ?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Eliscu2 on October 17, 2010, 06:54:44 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Nope
          I am none of those things Marky
          Go Fuck Yourself
          Exposed for what ? Not being interested in playing your usual little girl games ?
          Arent you like 50 yrs old ?

           :beat:  :on phone:  :notworthy:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Eliscu2 on October 17, 2010, 06:59:13 AM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Danny
          You are fucking hysterical,and yet what you say isnt all bad.
          "Truth be told" I was going to this benefit until I was shit on. Only thing I take serious about Sharon and Mark,is the amount of BS these 2 can make up,then throw at you. Go Scapegoat someone else!
          I hope the newspaper researches all of the postings,and files a criminal case against who is saying these horrible things to Sharon.. Maybe that would put an end to her paranoid accusations regarding me. I could never "discredit" Sharon or Mark ever again. They have taken the job upon themselves. They do it Very Well
          Funny I didnt see you hop on a 59.00 flight ....outa Atlanta to Midway.. 22  a day on Delta
          I am SURE your check is already in the mail Danny
           
          Mark.. You might have just asked me. I dont lie


          Art !, Art!, Art!, Stop !!!!!!  :rocker: ," Pull The Needle Out "  :suicide: Your exposing yourself  ::puke::  ::puke:: ,Quit being  so mean and nasty  ::puke:: , Send your check,but don't be so spiteful.Your also a very hurtful and nasty person Art. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  

          OMG...PEOPLE FROM ELAN HAVE TO BE THE BIGGEST ASSHOLES ON EARTH!!!
          JUST FUCKIN EVIL! ::evil::
          CAN YOU IMAGINE A CLASS REUNION>>..................HOLY FUCK! ::OMG::  :twofinger:  :trophy:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 17, 2010, 11:26:46 AM
          Quote from: "Eliscu2"
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Danny
          You are fucking hysterical,and yet what you say isnt all bad.
          "Truth be told" I was going to this benefit until I was shit on. Only thing I take serious about Sharon and Mark,is the amount of BS these 2 can make up,then throw at you. Go Scapegoat someone else!
          I hope the newspaper researches all of the postings,and files a criminal case against who is saying these horrible things to Sharon.. Maybe that would put an end to her paranoid accusations regarding me. I could never "discredit" Sharon or Mark ever again. They have taken the job upon themselves. They do it Very Well
          Funny I didnt see you hop on a 59.00 flight ....outa Atlanta to Midway.. 22  a day on Delta
          I am SURE your check is already in the mail Danny
           
          Mark.. You might have just asked me. I dont lie


          Art !, Art!, Art!, Stop !!!!!!  :rocker: ," Pull The Needle Out "  :suicide: Your exposing yourself  ::puke::  ::puke:: ,Quit being  so mean and nasty  ::puke:: , Send your check,but don't be so spiteful.Your also a very hurtful and nasty person Art. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  

          OMG...PEOPLE FROM ELAN HAVE TO BE THE BIGGEST ASSHOLES ON EARTH!!!
          JUST FUCKIN EVIL! ::evil::
          CAN YOU IMAGINE A CLASS REUNION>>..................HOLY FUCK! ::OMG::  :twofinger:  :trophy:


          It would be like a big encounter group, but the Art's and folks like him would never attend, out of fear and guilt, and that's a shame.Your right Felice we are all ass-hole's too a degree, but some run away with the prize.At least if somebody is going to be a super ass-hole,then step out and be proud "Art". :karma: He is the first to start up every time. I thought I was being nice to him in my post, and look at him go.

          {Don't beat yourself up Felice ,things happen we have no control over, and this wasn't your fault.Tim pulled out not paying attention, and the other car was speeding they said, So it was really just bad luck,not fault.No one blames you for anything, especially Sharon. And I know deep down, she would drive to help you out again if she needed too.and so would I or anyone else from Elan, We do stick together, Heck I would even help out " Art" if he was in real trouble, We might go back to arguing after it was over, but I would still try and help him if I could. Deep down, we all went threw a concentration camp no one could understand. I think we would put all of our differences aside, when trouble really hit's one of us.In the end thats all we have, no one else would understand our pasts and what brought us to now.

          How much nicer could someone be ?????  And look at Art pounce away, :beat:  :beat:  :beat:        

          Mark.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB II on October 17, 2010, 12:35:28 PM
          Mark, Felice, Art, Somebody.....I need a name and a address to send the check to.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on October 17, 2010, 02:38:02 PM
          I thought that was very "big" of you to comfort Felice
          Alot nicer than what you have said to her for the last 3 weeks
          Mark
          You are sick. You need help. This is not normal behavior to attack a different person every couple weeks. To stir up shit,to solicit a response.Then when you get one,accusing me of harrassing Sharon ?
          Here's a clue Mark. You are sick,and this is what sick people do. This is not unusual,as this is all I have seen you do for YEARS. I want no part of it, or you. If you are going to make an accusation.. You should make sure its well founded
          Otherwise it makes you look like the bad guy
          Which of course,you are,and have been for years
          Now you get to see hurtful and nasty
          You are scum and I believe the poster of the nastiness toward Sharon. Just to set me up and begin this whole deal again
          I think you are lonely and dig the attention.. Just like Danny
          You 2 should get married
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on October 17, 2010, 02:39:47 PM
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          Mark, Felice, Art, Somebody.....I need a name and a address to send the check to.
          Send it to Marky.. He has his head up Sharon's ass so far that he even smells like a pussy
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 17, 2010, 08:02:07 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          I thought that was very "big" of you to comfort Felice
          Alot nicer than what you have said to her for the last 3 weeks
          Mark
          You are sick. You need help. This is not normal behavior to attack a different person every couple weeks. To stir up shit,to solicit a response.Then when you get one,accusing me of harrassing Sharon ?
          Here's a clue Mark. You are sick,and this is what sick people do. This is not unusual,as this is all I have seen you do for YEARS. I want no part of it, or you. If you are going to make an accusation.. You should make sure its well founded
          Otherwise it makes you look like the bad guy
          Which of course,you are,and have been for years
          Now you get to see hurtful and nasty
          You are scum and I believe the poster of the nastiness toward Sharon. Just to set me up and begin this whole deal again
          I think you are lonely and dig the attention.. Just like Danny
          You 2 should get married

          Send it to Marky.. He has his head up Sharon's ass so far that he even smells like a pussy[/quote]


          Why are you so fucking Nasty "Art",??. Why do you always seek conflict,??. Are you unable to communicate on a peaceful level,??. Was it your childhood and the things kids said to you and called you,?? Why can't you be nice to others,?? Are you the monster everyone has discibed for over 15 years,?? Whats up with you Art,?? Your out of control AGAIN and your getting BUSTED all over AGAIN, :karma:  :karma:  :karma:" Pull The Needle Out Of Your Arm " :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: You used Sharon and all the others,don't get pissed because she woke up, She doesn't need control in her life, she needs real friends, and thats for sure not YOU ART, thats been proven. :lala:  :lala:  :lala:  :lala:  :lala:  
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on October 18, 2010, 02:56:54 AM
          Just fucking once I would love to come on this forum and not see my life plastered all over it. For days and days I have not even been on here. Reality is me and the kids are now home. We are rebuilding our lives. Mason is doing remarkable and he will continue to do wonderful. I will see to it. Logan is more than happy we are all finally home and he does not have to be alone. Steven is thrilled to have both his brothers safe and on the road to happier days.

          I refuse to place any blame, and I am happy Felice is feeling better. It was not her fault this accident. I would in a heartbeat travel again for anyone I love if they needed me to. No one ever expected this, noone plans this ever. Fact is if half of you on here actually gave a shit, then help me prove that rich mother fucken guy covered this up. Tim did not pull infront of that car, that son of a bitch hit me at over 75 miles per hour. I am sick and tired of being discussed like I am here. My heart bleeds for Tim, and his loss is damn near killing me. I lost the man I completely loved. I saw my boys so injured it damn near killed me. I did everything possible to make sure each of them had the best care and the best doctors and the best everything. That is all I could do. I did everything a mother could possibly do and I did everything right.

          Tim would not want me to stay like this and half of you that knew him, I mean honestly knew him would know he is damn proud of who I am and what I have done to pull it together after this accident. He would want all this utter bullshit to stop. Far as I am concerned I have no ill feelings towards anyone at all, and hope all of you have peaceful loving fulfilled lives. All the bullshit people who stalk my life endlessly for little kicks need to grow up.


          My sons will come before all this nonsense....I will be seeing you all in few days I got a life to attend to. And none of you will ever control my peace. I got everything in the world I need and then some.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on October 18, 2010, 03:34:23 AM
          and for the record none of you attended the benefit but someone did sabotozed it really good, cancelled the food and the bands, and called all the businesses and cancelled all donations. My sister was so hurt by that she is planning another one in Fox Lake. I am so glad my kids were a blunt of cruelity and jokes. When does it go to far? You people fucken destroy lives. Those kids did nothing to you people. For the record we only raised under two thousand. It will be enough to get a vehicle so I can take Mason back and forth to therapy and doctors he needs. I was also presented a bill for the other driver 30029.90....guess that will take forever to pay. I got Mason's bill as well. I am liable for 10% of all co pay costs, do any of you have any idea how intensive his condition is??? How expensive the procedure was to keep him alive, the specialist I demanded is not covered by the assistance either. The rehab costs? You all think your so fucking smart, well it clearly shows how fucking ignorant you all are. Thing is none of you got a fricken clue as to anything in my life. I got everything half of you wish for....and I am my own person and do not need any of your fucking approvals. I have awesome kids and an awesome life even with what has all happened. I just completed one class tonight and am completing another next week....even though I probably will fail that one, it is no big deal I will dust off my knees get back up and do it again, then get my diploma and carry on. Do you all think you stop shit in my life???? No not at all.

          I can careless who has my address or phone number or knows anything about me either. Here I will save the fucking trouble of all your digging.


          144 Marcia Drive Freeport Illinois 61032
          815-990-7077.

          Fuck Ill post pictures of me too to save the trouble for you all......and shit you all can have my social security number not like you will get far with any credit lines since I am destroyed financially.  355-68-2822..

          Fuck you all want my sizes....36c...pants 16  top extra large...shoe size 81/2. oh thats right I prefer wide. I take showers with Olay body wash, shampoo and conditioner herbal essence.....perfume and lotions by Victory Secerts....PURE SEDUCTION>...I wear bikini underwear, my favorite color is green. my favorite number is 7. my borthday os Feb 1, 1970.

          I love all music accept head banning metal. My favorite book is Pillars of the Earth. My favorite movie is Breakfast at Tiffany's. I have tons of close friends, and I am me fully. I do not have to fake shit what so ever. I am highly secure with who I am and what I am. I highly recommend it to everyone being intune with who you are is an awesome feeling. Any more questions refer them to my best buddy Mark, he will gladly supply me with a list of demanding inquires....





          Oh forgot some important information for you all my first husband was a piece redneck trash, my second husband was a narasstic piece of wife beating shit. my third husband suffers from schizohrenia and is a fucken hilarous piece of shit who believe he is a noble person but yet falls completely short of being human such a crediable source..lmao.....did not bother to even see his child after the accident what a great guy huh?? My forth husband well he meant well but had a problem with aggression and is completely institutionalized.........has issues with borderline personality.


          OK is that enough information to satisfy your interests..lmao good night people have a good week.  :feedtrolls:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on October 18, 2010, 03:40:29 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          Mark, Felice, Art, Somebody.....I need a name and a address to send the check to.
          Send it to Marky.. He has his head up Sharon's ass so far that he even smells like a pussy
          Very grown up of you, what a charming statement. Are you that Retarded??????? Seriously stop talking about my pussy....Its to good for you anyways. Besides I thought a man like you would call it a CUNT.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on October 18, 2010, 07:19:41 AM
          Sharon
          I am not interested in arguing with you. I truly feel bad for what you and your family has been through.
          This is all Mark.. Your pal.. He brought it,and accused me of something I had nothing to do with.
          He is only interested in stirring this up and making you upset. Seems to have worked too !
          I am sorry for your benefit didnt go as planned. Whomever is responsible for this crap, will burn in hell.
          I hope he saves Mark a seat
          Its right here in print.. Its also not the 1st time Mark has brought your business here. Then, when he is called on it.. It becomes my fault... Fucking hysterical.. Delusional actually
          I was a little busy this weekend as my Father was in a terrible car accident himself. Unfortunately "Super-Sleuth "Marky must have missed the 5 stories on the net as he was too busy being an asshole. You know.. Just for the fun of it.
          No need to be so upset Sharon. Something you cannot fix and you have far more imprtant things to deal with
          Hope you have a good day
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on October 18, 2010, 07:32:57 AM
          Why are you so fucking Nasty "Art",??. Why do you always seek conflict,??. Are you unable to communicate on a peaceful level,??. Was it your childhood and the things kids said to you and called you,?? Why can't you be nice to others,?? Are you the monster everyone has discibed for over 15 years,?? Whats up with you Art,?? Your out of control AGAIN and your getting BUSTED all over AGAIN, :karma:  :karma:  :karma:" Pull The Needle Out Of Your Arm " :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: You used Sharon and all the others,don't get pissed because she woke up, She doesn't need control in her life, she needs real friends, and thats for sure not YOU ART, thats been proven. :lala:  :lala:  :lala:  :lala:  :lala:  [/quote]
           
          All you have proven Marky,is that you can play both ends against the middle. You enjoy this nonsense just a little too much.
          50 years old and playing games like your 10. You know absolutely nothing about me,beyond the lies that you make up every day. Should we expect your other Screen names to come out and agree with you  ? Thats always fun and refreshing.
          You go ahead and spew your hate. Make up more lies and do what we know you always have. Is this how you make yourself feel better ?
          Id like to know what I am busted for, this time Marky ? Telling the truth again ? I see its still a concept you cannot grasp
          Will leave you to your guilt and misery now Marky.. Cuz thats all you seem to have,or at least thats all you bring here.
          Schmuck
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 18, 2010, 08:37:53 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Why are you so fucking Nasty "Art",??. Why do you always seek conflict,??. Are you unable to communicate on a peaceful level,??. Was it your childhood and the things kids said to you and called you,?? Why can't you be nice to others,?? Are you the monster everyone has discibed for over 15 years,?? Whats up with you Art,?? Your out of control AGAIN and your getting BUSTED all over AGAIN, :karma:  :karma:  :karma:" Pull The Needle Out Of Your Arm " :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: You used Sharon and all the others,don't get pissed because she woke up, She doesn't need control in her life, she needs real friends, and thats for sure not YOU ART, thats been proven. :lala:  :lala:  :lala:  :lala:  :lala:  

          All you have proven Marky,is that you can play both ends against the middle. You enjoy this nonsense just a little too much.
          50 years old and playing games like your 10. You know absolutely nothing about me,beyond the lies that you make up every day. Should we expect your other Screen names to come out and agree with you  ? Thats always fun and refreshing.
          You go ahead and spew your hate. Make up more lies and do what we know you always have. Is this how you make yourself feel better ?
          Id like to know what I am busted for, this time Marky ? Telling the truth again ? I see its still a concept you cannot grasp
          Will leave you to your guilt and misery now Marky.. Cuz thats all you seem to have,or at least thats all you bring here.
          Schmuck[/quote]



          Can't you be nice to others,?? Are you the monster everyone has discibed for over 15 years,?? Whats up with you Art,?? Your out of control AGAIN and your getting BUSTED all over AGAIN,     " Pull The Needle Out Of Your Arm "   Art your a liar and a fraud, :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on October 18, 2010, 08:55:51 AM
          Marky
          I am asking the same question
          I am nice to almost everyone. You would know that if you had a clue as to whom I am.
          1) YOU brought this bullshit here from your failed hate sites directed at me
          2) YOU brough the Felice tantrum here from Facebook
          3) YOU brought Sharon's business here yesterday,and accused me of being responsible for this
          Marky.... I know you can read. Its all here pal
          I didnt bring any of the above mentioned.
          Sharon Didnt bring it
          Nor did Felice or I
          You want to make this my fault ? LOL Call me nasty names ? No problem Marky
          I am 100% certain that all who read this drivel of yours(all 4 people) are smart enough to see your MO
          The only one not smart enough here is you
          Enjoy your day
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on October 18, 2010, 08:58:22 AM
          Oh and BTW
          Could you PLEASE find the spell check key
          50 yrs old and you cant spell either
          You miserable fuck
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 18, 2010, 09:01:40 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Marky
          I am asking the same question
          I am nice to almost everyone. You would know that if you had a clue as to whom I am.
          1) YOU brought this bullshit here from your failed hate sites directed at me
          2) YOU brough the Felice tantrum here from Facebook
          3) YOU brought Sharon's business here yesterday,and accused me of being responsible for this
          Marky.... I know you can read. Its all here pal
          I didnt bring any of the above mentioned.
          Sharon Didnt bring it
          Nor did Felice or I
          You want to make this my fault ? LOL Call me nasty names ? No problem Marky
          I am 100% certain that all who read this drivel of yours(all 4 people) are smart enough to see your MO
          The only one not smart enough here is you
          Enjoy your day


           :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl: Your so stupid Farty,
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 18, 2010, 09:03:05 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Oh and BTW
          Could you PLEASE find the spell check key
          50 yrs old and you cant spell either
          You miserable fuck


           You have been busted again, and can't take it Farty, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on October 18, 2010, 10:04:40 AM
          Comeon Marky
          Tell us all what I am busted for ? Exposing the truth about you ? Commenting on your latest temper tantrum  ?
          You set yourself up Mark
          Grow up and stop playing games.
          You claim to be Sharon's friend. Try acting like it !
          If anyone is busted.. It would be you.. for yet another temper tantrum and stirring up BS
          Like she needs this
          WTF is wrong with you
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 18, 2010, 10:15:30 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Comeon Marky
          Tell us all what I am busted for ? Exposing the truth about you ? Commenting on your latest temper tantrum  ?
          You set yourself up Mark
          Grow up and stop playing games.
          You claim to be Sharon's friend. Try acting like it !
          If anyone is busted.. It would be you.. for yet another temper tantrum and stirring up BS
          Like she needs this
          WTF is wrong with you





          You have been busted again, and can't take it Farty,  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:      


           

          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on October 19, 2010, 06:44:30 AM
          You have been busted again, and can't take it Farty,          
           
          Standard answer for .. Oops
          Sharon and I fucked up, and it wasnt the big bad art Afterall ?? LOL
          You really need to get some help for this disorder Babbletits.
          Some day you will see how much time and negative energy you have spent for practice
          You are an amazing candidate for the cover of Psychology today
          I think the winner gets to stay in a rubber room talking to himself
          You are a sick man Marky
          Yesterday's last tantrum,followed by the truth.. must have really hurted yer feelers
          Speaking of retarded. Have you had an IQ test recently ?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 19, 2010, 09:43:14 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          You have been busted again, and can't take it Farty,          
           
          Standard answer for .. Oops
          Sharon and I fucked up, and it wasnt the big bad art Afterall ?? LOL
          You really need to get some help for this disorder Babbletits.
          Some day you will see how much time and negative energy you have spent for practice
          You are an amazing candidate for the cover of Psychology today
          I think the winner gets to stay in a rubber room talking to himself
          You are a sick man Marky
          Yesterday's last tantrum,followed by the truth.. must have really hurted yer feelers
          Speaking of retarded. Have you had an IQ test recently ?



          You have been busted again, and can't take it Farty, :cheers:  :cheers:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  Your Busted Farty, Your busted Again Farty  :bs:  :bs:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta: You Got Busted out Again, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on October 19, 2010, 10:32:18 AM
          Aweee Marky
          You poor thing. Is this all you got ? Its already been proven that you were wrong and LIED again. That should make about 500 times this year.
          Perhaps you should consider yourself OWNED... again.. Or should I say still. Obsess much Marky ?
          Didnt you say something to the effect that when you were wrong you admitted to it freely ? LOL
          Could you let us know when you are finished exploiting others for your own sick needs. Maybe then,we can refer to you as a grownup... Instead of the childish little cocksucker you portray yourself as
          See ya Slurpy!
           
          ps the truth shall set you free
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 19, 2010, 11:06:09 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Aweee Marky
          You poor thing. Is this all you got ? Its already been proven that you were wrong and LIED again. That should make about 500 times this year.
          Perhaps you should consider yourself OWNED... again.. Or should I say still. Obsess much Marky ?
          Didnt you say something to the effect that when you were wrong you admitted to it freely ? LOL
          Could you let us know when you are finished exploiting others for your own sick needs. Maybe then,we can refer to you as a grownup... Instead of the childish little cocksucker you portray yourself as
          See ya Slurpy!
           
          ps the truth shall set you free


          Oh Mr Farty You So Mean,& You have been busted again, :cheers:  :cheers:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  and can't take it Farty,  :lala:  :lala:  :suicide:  :suicide:                                                     Your Busted Farty, Your So busted Again Farty  You Got Busted out Again, And "Sharon" has seen the real Farty, she has always known. and so has everyone else here,You shit on someone you called your friend once in a while. Your an animal Farty, and got Busted Again, Look at the views not the posts Farty, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  You Got Busted Again,  


           


           
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on October 19, 2010, 11:16:15 AM
          Poor Marky
          If you dont lie... You wont get caught
          Didnt your mommy teach you this ?
          SOMEONE is busted.. But its not me Marky.. I tell the truth
          Try that.. But take it real slow so you dont have a stroke or worse
          You are again discredited and seen as a liar.. How many times does this make Marky ?
          what Sharon thinks is none of my business pal
          You sir.. Are a LIAR.. and You sir got caught
          all the "acting out an tantrums you throe dont change the facts
          But you ARE funny to laugh at !
          Kiss
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on October 19, 2010, 12:42:38 PM
          Look at the views not the posts Farty,
           
          Am trying to understand why an illiterate, bully, would continue this harrassment every day.. even when clearly wrong and lying. a 50 something yr old man feverishly pounding the keys in an effort to harrass,and slander someone for close to 10 years.
          Are you saying that the "Views" are what you do this for. That somehow in your pea sized brain,you think you are entertaining others because people look at your ridiculous,and childish postings day after day ?
          I think you should see a therapist Marky. It would seem your Cheese,has slipped off your cracker son
          I think you should see a Doctor. They make several OCD medications for sick fucks like you.
          Have you spoken to my pal Robert yet ?
          You will
          I hope to have video the day they lead you away in handcuffs
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 19, 2010, 10:23:46 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Look at the views not the posts Farty,
           
          Am trying to understand why an illiterate, bully, would continue this harrassment every day.. even when clearly wrong and lying. a 50 something yr old man feverishly pounding the keys in an effort to harrass,and slander someone for close to 10 years.
          Are you saying that the "Views" are what you do this for. That somehow in your pea sized brain,you think you are entertaining others because people look at your ridiculous,and childish postings day after day ?
          I think you should see a therapist Marky. It would seem your Cheese,has slipped off your cracker son
          I think you should see a Doctor. They make several OCD medications for sick fucks like you.
          Have you spoken to my pal Robert yet ?
          You will
          I hope to have video the day they lead you away in handcuffs

          You are your only friend Farty, and not a very good one, You Got Busted Again and now are threatening all over again. Wow :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on October 20, 2010, 06:51:22 AM
          YAAAAAAWWWWWWNNNNNNNNN
          Still twisting over being caught in yet ANOTHER lie
          Got Kleenex ?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 20, 2010, 12:58:43 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          YAAAAAAWWWWWWNNNNNNNNN
          Still twisting over being caught in yet ANOTHER lie
          Got Kleenex ?
          You have been busted again, and can't take it Farty,   :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:                                                   Busted Farty, Your busted Again Farty   :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:    You Got Busted out Again,      

           

          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on October 20, 2010, 02:28:37 PM
          Can someone get Marky some cheese with that whine ?
          what would make a 50 something yr old guy lie about stuff every day? Are these words of wisdom you write every day normal behavior for a known liar ?
          Maybe Marky has a little crush on me.. for 7-8 yrs
          How flattering
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 20, 2010, 02:50:21 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Can someone get Marky some cheese with that whine ?
          what would make a 50 something yr old guy lie about stuff every day? Are these words of wisdom you write every day normal behavior for a known liar ?
          Maybe Marky has a little crush on me.. for 7-8 yrs
          How flattering


          No it's been over 10 yares, remember Farty,??  You got busted again, And will always be caught in your lie's.You have been busted again, and can't take it Farty, :waaaa:  :waaaa:  Busted Farty, Your busted Again Farty  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  You Got Busted out Again, and you are OWNED, by Me and the Reporter, :beat:  :beat:  :suicide:  :suicide: Give up you have and will aways loose, So go ahead with the expsected threats, your still, OWNED, :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on October 20, 2010, 03:39:16 PM
          :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:
          My name is Mark Babbletits... I am caught in a lie.. So now I am gonna act out like an 8 yr old
          Only thing left is your other screen names Marky
          That way.. You can still cry about me,while pretending to be someone else
           :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:
          Gott ago Marky
          One of us has a job.. the other.. Full time Internet Troll.....Quite a Career move !
          LOL
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 20, 2010, 08:00:46 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:
          My name is Mark Babbletits... I am caught in a lie.. So now I am gonna act out like an 8 yr old
          Only thing left is your other screen names Marky
          That way.. You can still cry about me,while pretending to be someone else
           :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:
          Gott ago Marky
          One of us has a job.. the other.. Full time Internet Troll.....Quite a Career move !
          LOL
          No it's been over 10 yares, remember Farty,?? You got busted again, And will always be caught in your lie's.You have been busted again, and can't take it Farty, Busted Farty, Your busted Again Farty  You Got Busted out Again, and you are OWNED, by Me and the Reporter, Give up you have and will aways loose, So go ahead with the expsected threats, your still, OWNED,  :lala:  :lala:  :suicide:  :suicide:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on October 20, 2010, 08:36:04 PM
          Pssst Marky.... :deal:  :deal:  You fucked up pal and you know it
          Could you flail your arms and stomp your feet too while you throw this tantrum..  :waaaa:  :waaaa:
          You are a coward Marky.. Cus you done lied,got caught,and now days of your infantilism  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:
          How 50ish of you  LOL  :notworthy:
          I gotta stop playing with the mentally ill :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :spam:  :spam:  :spam:  :spam:  :spam:
          Even these emoticons are boring
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on October 20, 2010, 08:39:46 PM
          expsected
          Illiterate 50 something internet troll
          Thats goodnif Marky.. Its almost like you are an American  :nods:
          Cept you are showing off your 4th grade edumacashon :seg:
          say this slow..Repeat after me.. "I is a Fuckstick" :fuckoff:
          Nite Nite
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 20, 2010, 09:12:58 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          expsected
          Illiterate 50 something internet troll
          Thats goodnif Marky.. Its almost like you are an American  :nods:
          Cept you are showing off your 4th grade edumacashon :seg:
          say this slow..Repeat after me.. "I is a Fuckstick" :fuckoff:
          Nite Nite


          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Pssst Marky.... :deal:  :deal:  You fucked up pal and you know it
          Could you flail your arms and stomp your feet too while you throw this tantrum..  :waaaa:  :waaaa:
          You are a coward Marky.. Cus you done lied,got caught,and now days of your infantilism  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:
          How 50ish of you  LOL  :notworthy:
          I gotta stop playing with the mentally ill :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :spam:  :spam:  :spam:  :spam:  :spam:
          Even these emoticons are boring


          No it's been over 10 yares, remember Farty,?? You got busted again, And will always be caught in your lie's.You have been busted again, and can't take it Farty, Busted Farty, Your busted Again Farty You Got Busted out Again, and you are OWNED, by Me and the Reporter, Give up you have and will aways loose, So go ahead with the expsected threats, your still, OWNED,  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 20, 2010, 09:27:00 PM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          expsected
          Illiterate 50 something internet troll
          Thats goodnif Marky.. Its almost like you are an American  :nods:
          Cept you are showing off your 4th grade edumacashon :seg:
          say this slow..Repeat after me.. "I is a Fuckstick" :fuckoff:
          Nite Nite


          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Pssst Marky.... :deal:  :deal:  You fucked up pal and you know it
          Could you flail your arms and stomp your feet too while you throw this tantrum..  :waaaa:  :waaaa:
          You are a coward Marky.. Cus you done lied,got caught,and now days of your infantilism  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:
          How 50ish of you  LOL  :notworthy:
          I gotta stop playing with the mentally ill :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :spam:  :spam:  :spam:  :spam:  :spam:
          Even these emoticons are boring


          No it's been over 10 yares, remember Farty,?? You got busted again, And will always be caught in your lie's.You have been busted again, and can't take it Farty, Busted Farty, Your busted Again Farty You Got Busted out Again, and you are OWNED, by Me and the Reporter, Give up you have and will aways loose, So go ahead with the expsected threats, your still, OWNED,  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:




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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
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          Illiterate 50 something internet troll
          Thats goodnif Marky.. Its almost like you are an American  
          Cept you are showing off your 4th grade edumacashon  
          say this slow..Repeat after me.. "I is a Fuckstick"  
          Nite Nite
          by liarsexposed
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          Pssst Marky.... :deal: :deal: You fucked up pal and you know it Could you flail your arms and stomp your feet too while you throw this tantrum.. :waaaa: :waaaa: You are a coward Marky.. Cus you done lied,got caught,and now days of your infantilism :waaaa: :waaaa: :waaaa: How 50ish of you LOL :notwor...
          by liarsexposed
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          :waaaa: :waaaa: :waaaa: :waaaa: :waaaa: :waaaa: :waaaa: :waaaa: :waaaa: :waaaa: :waaaa: :waaaa: :waaaa: :waaaa: :waaaa: :waaaa: :waaaa: :waaaa: :waaaa: :waaaa: :waaaa: :waaaa: :waaaa: :waaaa: :waaaa: :waaaa: My name is Mark Babbletits... I am caught in a lie.. So now I am gonna act out like an 8 yr ...
          by liarsexposed
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Can someone get Marky some cheese with that whine ?
          what would make a 50 something yr old guy lie about stuff every day? Are these words of wisdom you write every day normal behavior for a known liar ?
          Maybe Marky has a little crush on me.. for 7-8 yrs
          How flattering
          by liarsexposed
          Yesterday, 19:28
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          YAAAAAAWWWWWWNNNNNNNNN
          Still twisting over being caught in yet ANOTHER lie
          Got Kleenex ?
          by liarsexposed
          Yesterday, 11:51
           
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          Look at the views not the posts Farty, Am trying to understand why an illiterate, bully, would continue this harrassment every day.. even when clearly wrong and lying. a 50 something yr old man feverishly pounding the keys in an effort to harrass,and slander someone for close to 10 years. Are you sa...
          by liarsexposed
          19 Oct 2010, 17:42
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Poor Marky If you dont lie... You wont get caught Didnt your mommy teach you this ? SOMEONE is busted.. But its not me Marky.. I tell the truth Try that.. But take it real slow so you dont have a stroke or worse You are again discredited and seen as a liar.. How many times does this make Marky ? wha...
          by liarsexposed
          19 Oct 2010, 16:16
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Aweee Marky You poor thing. Is this all you got ? Its already been proven that you were wrong and LIED again. That should make about 500 times this year. Perhaps you should consider yourself OWNED... again.. Or should I say still. Obsess much Marky ? Didnt you say something to the effect that when y...
          by liarsexposed
          19 Oct 2010, 15:32
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          You have been busted again, and can't take it Farty, Standard answer for .. Oops Sharon and I fucked up, and it wasnt the big bad art Afterall ?? LOL You really need to get some help for this disorder Babbletits. Some day you will see how much time and negative energy you have spent for practice You...
          by liarsexposed
          19 Oct 2010, 11:44
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Comeon Marky Tell us all what I am busted for ? Exposing the truth about you ? Commenting on your latest temper tantrum ? You set yourself up Mark Grow up and stop playing games. You claim to be Sharon's friend. Try acting like it ! If anyone is busted.. It would be you.. for yet another temper tant...
          by liarsexposed
          18 Oct 2010, 15:04
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Oh and BTW
          Could you PLEASE find the spell check key
          50 yrs old and you cant spell either
          You miserable fuck
          by liarsexposed
          18 Oct 2010, 13:58
           
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          Marky I am asking the same question I am nice to almost everyone. You would know that if you had a clue as to whom I am. 1) YOU brought this bullshit here from your failed hate sites directed at me 2) YOU brough the Felice tantrum here from Facebook 3) YOU brought Sharon's business here yesterday,an...
          by liarsexposed
          18 Oct 2010, 13:55
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Why are you so fucking Nasty "Art",??. Why do you always seek conflict,??. Are you unable to communicate on a peaceful level,??. Was it your childhood and the things kids said to you and called you,?? Why can't you be nice to others,?? Are you the monster everyone has discibed for over 15...
          by liarsexposed
          18 Oct 2010, 12:32
           
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          Sharon I am not interested in arguing with you. I truly feel bad for what you and your family has been through. This is all Mark.. Your pal.. He brought it,and accused me of something I had nothing to do with. He is only interested in stirring this up and making you upset. Seems to have worked too !...
          by liarsexposed
          18 Oct 2010, 12:19
           
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          DannyB II wrote:
          Mark, Felice, Art, Somebody.....I need a name and a address to send the check to.

          Send it to Marky.. He has his head up Sharon's ass so far that he even smells like a pussy



           :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 21, 2010, 06:49:41 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          expsected
          Illiterate 50 something internet troll
          Thats goodnif Marky.. Its almost like you are an American  :nods:
          Cept you are showing off your 4th grade edumacashon :seg:
          say this slow..Repeat after me.. "I is a Fuckstick" :fuckoff:
          Nite Nite


          Ok , Farty is a Fuckstick, Farty is a Fuckstick,

          Take the needle out of your arm Fuckstick Farty,you got busted out again,

          P.S. Could you please threaten me this morning Farty,?? It makes you look so mean and bad, Big Bad Farty. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on October 21, 2010, 09:05:44 AM
          Yawwwwn
          I think you need to bring out your other screen names Marky.
          Your "Views" are way down.
          Kinda disapointing for an actor of your caliber..
          Maybe you could make up a few more stories,tell a few more lies.. You know.. Just to get your "Views up"

           :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:
          Here is some attention from your current victim Marky
          Who's next ?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 21, 2010, 11:46:55 AM
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          Biddeford voters clash over racino proposal

          By DINA MENDROS
          Staff Writer
          Published:
          Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:09 PM EDT
          BIDDEFORD — Tensions ran high on Tuesday, when a standing room only crowd packed City Hall to discuss the proposal to bring harness racing and an accompanying slot machine facility to Biddeford. Discussion by proponents and opponents of the measure at times elicited applause, booing and shouting.

          The issue became public on Aug. 17 when, after holding an executive session, the City Council voted to place a referendum question on the Nov. 2 ballot asking residents whether or not they want a racino in Biddeford.

          The proposed $125 million development, dubbed Biddeford Downs, would include a harness racing track, a facility with 1,000 or more slot machines, and a hotel and entertainment complex. It is proposed to be built on a 70-acre city-owned parcel of undeveloped land along the Andrews Road.

          Investors in the project include Scarborough Downs owner Sharon Terry, who would move the track to Biddeford, and hotel developer Ocean Properties LTD.

          Supporters, including city officials, claim the proposed racino would bring 500 jobs – paying on average $30,000 per year, according to the developers – as well as much needed tax revenue to the city.

          Opponents object to the lack of specific information about the deal, the fast-tracking of the proposal, the location, a possible increase in crime and other issues.

          Many of those opposing the racino sported stickers supporting Citizens Against a Bad Deal, a group that has formed in opposition to the racino.

          A petition by the group, calling for a public meeting on the issue, was presented to the City Council Tuesday.

          Although a public forum on the issue was held on Oct. 4 at the City Theater, those against the racino complained that it was one-sided since only the investors and the Mayor Joanne Twomey, who supports the racino, were allowed to make a presentation.

          A public hearing on the racino referendum will be held Monday, at 6 p.m., in City Council Chambers, at City Hall.

          In addition to what they say is the one-sided promotion of the proposal by the city, opponents also object to the process used to get the referendum question on the local ballot.

          The executive session during which the issue was discussed prior to the council’s vote on the question was illegal, said Portland attorney Timothy Shannon.

          The 30-day time limit for someone to object to the legality of the executive session has expired, said City Attorney Keith Jacques, and therefore it is legal.

          Lack of public discussion and public notice prior to the council’s decision, as well as using city resources to promote the project were also concerns, said Shannon.

          “What’s the hurry?” asked resident and small business owner Holly Culloton, whose opinion was echoed by many of those who said they planned to vote “no” next month.

          Even those who said they might support the racino said they didn’t have enough information to make an informed opinion.

          “A ‘no’ vote would be a better vote until all your questions are answered,” said resident Dana Johnson.

          Some objected to the potential increase in crime from a racino.

          Resident Joshua Bodwell said despite what the Bangor police chief has said in the press, there has been a 40 percent increase in crime in that city since Hollywood Slots opened in 2005.

          Bangor is the only city in Maine with a racino.

          While there has been an increase in crime in Bangor, said Police Chief Ron Gastia in a prior interview, he can’t correlate that to Hollywood Slots.

          Conservation Commission Chairman Denis Rioux said the proposed location of the racino was his concern. He said the parcel proposed for the development, between the Andrews Road and South Street, is a significant wildlife habitat that would be threatened by a project of such magnitude.

          City Councilor Patricia Boston, who voted to place the referendum question on the ballot, said she wished she could take her vote back.

          “I drank the Kool-Aid,” said Boston.

          She said she expected there to be more public information about the proposal, but she said that hasn’t been forthcoming.

          In addition, while the mayor has said a “yes” vote in November is needed to begin negotiations and the process could be stopped, Boston said, according to the City Charter, a “yes” vote would be binding.

          After the meeting, City Manager John Bubier said a “yes” vote would not be binding because the language of the question notes that needed approvals must be received and the city must negotiate a deal to its liking for the project to go forward.

          Supporters of the racino, like Jose Demme, said, “The city’s going down. The way to revitalize the city is with jobs.”

          Several non-residents who make their living from harness racing also spoke in favor of the racino. Samantha Robinson is a groom at Scarborough Downs and said her family trains race horses. Without that harness racetrack, she said, her family couldn’t make a living.

          Bob Tourangeau, a trainer at Scarborough Downs, said six years ago he was down to one horse, which he was readying to retire. Due to the construction of Hollywood Slots, he now trains eight horses.

          A number of racino opponents alluded to the proposed racino being as bad for the city’s economic prosperity as the Maine Energy Recovery Company’s downtown waste incinerator. Others claimed that the jobs that would arise from the development would be menial jobs like housekeeping.

          In response, resident Rick Dussault said, “not everyone will be a lawyer.

          “You’re gonna need people to clean the rug for the lawyers,” he said. “It’s not a MERC plant, it’s a racino racetrack.”

          After the public spoke about the issue, a motion to not use city, state or federal dollars on the racino project was tabled until after the election on Nov. 2.

          — Staff Writer Dina Mendros can be contacted at 282-1535, Ext. 324 or http://www.google.com/url?url=http://ww ... KEfXGVomLQ (http://www.google.com/url?url=http://www.pressherald.com/news/racino-foes-seek-special-meeting_2010-10-20.html&rct=j&sa=X&ei=v1_ATO_hIJCknQffkujvCQ&ved=0CCsQ-AsoATAA&q=scarborough+downs+maine&usg=AFQjCNF7K9eO8yDr_sWvkJ-5KEfXGVomLQ)





          Biddeford racino foes seek special meeting
          City councilors put the proposal on the fall ballot after an illegal session, critics say.
          By Ann S. Kim [email protected] (http://mailto:[email protected])


          Elan is going to move the track,.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 21, 2010, 11:54:12 AM
          Sharon Terry on TV,


          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... 2cIX3OSKIA (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CC0QFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.myfoxmaine.com%2Fgood-day-maine%2Fnews%2FBiddeford-Eyes-Scarborough-Downs-105164744.html&ei=-WDATLTyHcuhnAeH7tzsCQ&usg=AFQjCNEAaDDXDfACnF9jipkH2cIX3OSKIA)


          Biddeford Eyes Scarborough Downs
          By News 13
          Story Created: Oct 18, 2010 at 7:55 AM EDT
          Story Updated: Oct 18, 2010 at 7:55 AM EDT
          Biddeford city officials and residents came out to Scarborough Downs on Sunday to get a first-hand look at the operations, which are looking to move to Biddeford.

          In November, Biddeford will vote on whether to approve the move.  The racino issue is the only local question on the Biddeford ballot
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Botched Programming on October 21, 2010, 03:12:41 PM
          I know this may be changing the topic, but out of curiosity why do Elanians hate each other so much ??? I was personally in Straight Inc, and when we meet a fellow survivor we love and support that person. The only time we give the abuse that I see here is when they are still stuck into the mentality of that place saved their life.

          We Straightlings have met up to have memorial services for our fallen brothers and sisters, It seems that it would be a scarey thing to put you guys in a crowd together. Can anyone tell me why so much hate ???
          [/color][/size]
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on October 21, 2010, 04:05:18 PM
          Quote from: "Botched Programming"
          I know this may be changing the topic, but out of curiosity why do Elanians hate each other so much ??? I was personally in Straight Inc, and when we meet a fellow survivor we love and support that person. The only time we give the abuse that I see here is when they are still stuck into the mentality of that place saved their life.

          We Straightlings have met up to have memorial services for our fallen brothers and sisters, It seems that it would be a scarey thing to put you guys in a crowd together. Can anyone tell me why so much hate ???
          [/color][/size]
          Interesting observation BP
          The Elan people that frequent this site,are the sickest of the sick. The ones that never got better. People who enjoy other's pain. That is the mindset around here. Unfortuantely I have been a part of that. Tho it is in no way who I am or how I live my life. In fact I was gone from Fornits for approx 5 years because of Mark Babits and his antics. He is a very small person who lives to fuck with others. My return to fornits in March of this year,was only to defend myself over Mark's every day lies and manipulations. Unfortunately,he has not gotten better since his experience at Elan,which can be seen by his hundreds of pages of crap to his name (or his screen names he makes up regularly) I guarantee you that had it not been for his thievery,lies,and general Asswipe behavior, I would never have returned to fornits. It IS a cesspool
          I do want to mention that what you read here is not how most from Elan are. I have numorous friends across the country and S America that I was at Elan with. We truly do love one-another and express this regularly. Every year I host a July 4th party and 10-12 of us Elan people hangout in Wonder Lake for the weekend. I have also had the privilage of being a best man to an Elan person who got married twice. Once in Maine 10 yrs ago and,the other in Oregon. My children are close with a number of my friends from Elan,even my parents look forward to many of my old friends who come to visit
          Those who did get better and maintainan adult-like lifestyle do not post the trash that you have seen here. In fact they want nothing to do with a Sewer like fornits,or a Sewer Rat like Babitz.
          He should be put down,like the animal he is.
          If he were removed from this forum,it is possible that this forum could become productive. But lets face it. This is fornits. In my experience here,Trolling is a way of life,as is hurting others for personal satisfaction.
          Have a great day BP
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 21, 2010, 06:45:30 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "Botched Programming"
          I know this may be changing the topic, but out of curiosity why do Elanians hate each other so much ??? I was personally in Straight Inc, and when we meet a fellow survivor we love and support that person. The only time we give the abuse that I see here is when they are still stuck into the mentality of that place saved their life.

          We Straightlings have met up to have memorial services for our fallen brothers and sisters, It seems that it would be a scarey thing to put you guys in a crowd together. Can anyone tell me why so much hate ???
          [/color][/size]
          Interesting observation BP
          The Elan people that frequent this site,are the sickest of the sick. The ones that never got better. People who enjoy other's pain. That is the mindset around here. Unfortuantely I have been a part of that. Tho it is in no way who I am or how I live my life. In fact I was gone from Fornits for approx 5 years because of Mark Babits and his antics. He is a very small person who lives to fuck with others. My return to fornits in March of this year,was only to defend myself over Mark's every day lies and manipulations. Unfortunately,he has not gotten better since his experience at Elan,which can be seen by his hundreds of pages of crap to his name (or his screen names he makes up regularly) I guarantee you that had it not been for his thievery,lies,and general Asswipe behavior, I would never have returned to fornits. It IS a cesspool
          I do want to mention that what you read here is not how most from Elan are. I have numorous friends across the country and S America that I was at Elan with. We truly do love one-another and express this regularly. Every year I host a July 4th party and 10-12 of us Elan people hangout in Wonder Lake for the weekend. I have also had the privilage of being a best man to an Elan person who got married twice. Once in Maine 10 yrs ago and,the other in Oregon. My children are close with a number of my friends from Elan,even my parents look forward to many of my old friends who come to visit
          Those who did get better and maintainan adult-like lifestyle do not post the trash that you have seen here. In fact they want nothing to do with a Sewer like fornits,or a Sewer Rat like Babitz.
          He should be put down,like the animal he is.
          If he were removed from this forum,it is possible that this forum could become productive. But lets face it. This is fornits. In my experience here,Trolling is a way of life,as is hurting others for personal satisfaction.
          Have a great day BP


          Actually most of us from Elan get along great, Art has the obvious need to defend himself and put him above others, witch that is nothing new.Let me put it in simple term that you should be able to get quickly " BP".Art is a former staff member from Elan as well as a resident, From the propaganda and witch hunts you Straight folks have performed, I think you would see the lack of love for staff. Mel Sembler will never be the same after survivors got him and his crew. So that is allot of what you are seeing. And I commend the people from Straights for tearing Sembler and His bunch a new ass-hole.You guys did it and do it right.

          That being said, Farty is till trying to be Staff, He beats up on Danny and he was also staff. Art is a poor example of any kind of survivor, he could have left Elan, and stayed to fuck with people life's, So who is the fucked up one Art, You stayed, I left. I post tons of stuff on Elan and the Race track,and all you do is fight it and defend Elan,Tell everyone the truth Farty, Tell us how you enjoyed being Staff at Elan, Ass-Hole
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 21, 2010, 07:06:19 PM
          http://survivingstraightinc.com/ (http://survivingstraightinc.com/)


          From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
          Straight, Incorporated was a non-profit drug rehabilitation program in the United States that produced hundreds of reports of abuse of adolescents and their families during its 15 years of existence.

          This program was highly controversial due to the style of therapy it used, called "marathoning" that has been likened to brainwashing similar to the methods used on American POWs captured by the Vietcong.[1] Various allegations of abuse and lawsuits led to the end of Straight, Inc.[2]

          The Fairfax, Virginia location was cited and shut down for 76 violations of client's rights, including, but not limited to educational neglect, sleep, food and water deprivation, unlawful physical restraints, inadequate medical care, lack of trained or qualified staff, and allegations of non-reported sexual and physical abuse that resulted in paid lawsuits to several former clients. Many former patients of Straight have formed 'survivor groups' assembling themselves in small numbers seeking a means to understand the trauma suffered and supporting one another in grasping the reality of what happened in their lives.[3]

          While gaining a reputation for controversial styles of therapy, including "spit" therapy and peer degradation, the Straight program lacked accreditation and could claim only a small degree of success among its clients that exceeded standard behavior-modification programs, measured by "sobriety at one year post-program".[citation needed] Many families who entered the program were desperate, commonly having been unsuccessful clients at other programs. It has been recorded that there has been a high incidence of suicide among clients and graduates of this program, theorized to have been directly related to the mental, emotional, physical and sexual abuse suffered at these facilities.[citation needed]


          This section may contain original research. Please improve it by verifying the claims made and adding references. Statements consisting only of original research may be removed. More details may be available on the talk page. (September 2009)
          Many survivors have been diagnosed with Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder and have suffered profound long term consequences in career, self-esteem and interpersonal relationships. Many former clients who did not have a drug or alcohol dependency prior to entrance to the Straight program have been reported to have turned to drug usage after leaving the program to help cope with the long-term effects of the trauma they suffered while in the centers.




          This section may contain original research. Please improve it by verifying the claims made and adding references. Statements consisting only of original research may be removed. More details may be available on the talk page. (February 2010)
          For many years the claims of Straight, Inc.'s involuntary participants have been met with skepticism.[by whom?] While there may be many reasons for this, it seems to be primarily due to the graphic and angry nature of the claims.[citation needed]

          In recent years, distinct patterns and sequelae of PTSD have begun to surface. Most probably as a result of some form of dissociative amnesia, the people from Straight, Inc. begin to have floods of frightening memories or "flashbacks" 18–20 years following their attendance. During that initial period of remembering, the most prevalent emotions are anger and rage. Most can not verbalize or communicate 'exactly what happened', even though they may recall one or several occurrences. Without proper treatment, these individuals re-experience their perceived traumas from triggers in the environment. A common remark is; "I can't tell you what they did to me there, but it was bad", or "...I haven't been the same since then".[citation needed]

          After successful treatment for PTSD, therapy professionals[who?] are getting a clearer understanding of what really happened and have developed a more uniform observation and conclusion:

          Straight Incorporated psychologically tortured its victims by systematically withholding, or severely restricting the individual's access to the most basic of human needs for food, water, sleep, urination, and defecation, while saturating those individuals with affection that was genuine and heartfelt.

          Because participants were policed, punished, or rewarded by each other, a unique camaraderie exists towards the very individuals who inflicted the torment. This strange combination is a major hurdle in treating the anger and rage as most participants genuinely care about the people who hurt them the most. Given the 20 years required for the memories to resurface, and the additional sequelae of PTSD, only a fraction are beginning to seek and receive successful treatment for their trauma.[citation needed]



          [edit]Programs influenced by Straight

          Senior staff members started a number of programs when Straight closed based on the same program philosophy.

          Some of them were:

          Alberta Adolescent Recovery Center (AARC) in Canada (Still in operation) [4]
          Kids of Bergen County (In operation 1984 - 1990) [5]
          Kids of North Jersey (In operation 1990 - 2000) [5]
          Kids of El Paso (In operation 1986 - 1988) [6]
          Kids of Greater Salt Lake
          Kids Helping Kids - (In operation 1981 - 2006) Granted to Pathway Family Center in 2006.
          LIFE Inc.
          Kids of Southern California
          Phoenix Institute
          FACTS
          STEP Inc.
          Growing Together, Inc.
          Possibilities Unlimited
          Life Line
          SAFE (Substance Abuse Family Education Inc.)
          ACE
          Proctor Advocate
          Yes Families
          Second Chance
          Pathway Family Center, (In operation 1993 - 2009) [7]
          Most were closed by the authorities due to stricter regulation and documented child abuse. While they were based on the same level system, the program owners claim that some of the restraint methods used at Straight is no longer in use [8].

          [edit]References

          ^ Brady, Pete. "Straight, Incorporated." Cannabis Culture. Accessed September 24, 2006. [1]
          ^ Fager, Wesley M. "Flow Chart of the Straights and opening and closing dates for Straight, Inc." The Straights dot com Accessed September 24, 2006. [2]
          ^ International Survivors Action Committee on Straight
          ^ Has Straight really closed?, Coalition against Institutionalized Child Abuse
          ^ a b Kids of Bergen County memorial page
          ^ Kids of El Paso memorial page
          ^ Controversial Treatment Center Shuts Down, by Hagit Limor, I-team report - wcpo.com], July 31, 2009
          ^ Straight to Pathway, by Robyn Monagan, The Times, Munster, Indiana, January 14, 2007


          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... ARVZJg7ZtQ (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&sqi=2&ved=0CBsQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsurvivingstraightinc.com%2F&ei=isXATM7FJsuZOraZocwL&usg=AFQjCNHdJ-6oeytOcN2mfEZMARVZJg7ZtQ)



            Mel's Story,
          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... VLJHWpNVqw (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=6&sqi=2&ved=0CCYQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rickross.com%2Fgroups%2Fstraightinc.html&ei=4sXATI26FcTgnAfrmez5CQ&usg=AFQjCNGXRgqGMZDwDv7izw_kVLJHWpNVqw)

          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... FQc7nO8ZfQ (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=19&ved=0CDUQFjAIOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nndb.com%2Fpeople%2F442%2F000119085%2F&ei=PcbATJP1M4jBnAeHz4ToCQ&usg=AFQjCNF0oM0B_tQ2_9DhW6VaFQc7nO8ZfQ)
          I think you get the point,Botched Programming. Staff dont shine so well in the real world and Art forgets his past and abuses of others like it's ok now. Every staff member caused abuses, that was the program and we all know that, There weren't any staff that were just so cool or easy to deal with, it was Elan, Nothing was nice there but the scenery.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 21, 2010, 07:18:55 PM
          http://www.youtube.com/watch_videos?mor ... ob&index=2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch_videos?more_url=&video_ids=ldQrapQ4d0Y%2CDWrMeBR8W-c%2COvyTY_oYR_c%2C3umaLe37-LE%2Co1JOFhfoAD4%2C-Fulz4ytZ54%2CTVRzk3VWOKY%2CHxUuDPNbkJk%2CnOd2NuHgwew%2CN44pIQ0fJKA%2C3HfsBqNxp1Y%2CzwV2VM54CYA%2COIjsSu_I4So%2CzNDcAWNscg8%2C-uDxF5q0V9s%2CAHZCAcSh7ls%2CbwE2XKWtqXw%2CvaqfgSWQOT0%2C3skWAZiYSzQ%2CaKj5gYkvMOQ&type=13&feature=artistob&index=2)


          Arts the guy in the pool,AKA Carl.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on October 21, 2010, 07:36:11 PM
          LOL
          So thats what it is.. Lolololololololololol
          You are such a bad liar Marky.
          Im tellin ya,you oughta just stop posting as yourself. That way you dont have to feel so stupid
          when you post drivel
          I think you can make your own judgement BP
          Marky has never even met me (unless he was stalking me at my place of business,or parked on the corner next to my home)
          Marky has been caught in so many lies,that he is now always acting out,seeking attention,and pretending to be others. This has become a Full-time job for Marky,as he is probably unemployable anyway. Lots of people with Mental Illness's cannot hold down a job
          Well thats all for now Marky. You arent worth any more of my time today
          Nite Nite
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 21, 2010, 07:45:04 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          LOL
          So thats what it is.. Lolololololololololol
          You are such a bad liar Marky.
          Im tellin ya,you oughta just stop posting as yourself. That way you dont have to feel so stupid
          when you post drivel
          I think you can make your own judgement BP
          Marky has never even met me (unless he was stalking me at my place of business,or parked on the corner next to my home)
          Marky has been caught in so many lies,that he is now always acting out,seeking attention,and pretending to be others. This has become a Full-time job for Marky,as he is probably unemployable anyway. Lots of people with Mental Illness's cannot hold down a job
          Well thats all for now Marky. You arent worth any more of my time today
          Nite Nite
          How about you being Staff Farty, Tell everyone how you know, how people are crazy, Is it from being Elan Staff, are you going to say that I am not being truthful and you weren't staff at Elan,?? Jump in Big Mouth, I can pull up all of your post from the world wide web, we have gone down that road before and you cried all the way, Danny should have dragged you from a car. And don't bother threatening me this time its hasn't worked in 10 years ass-wipe, Go shit on  8 Balls leg or something,In you 800 sq ft shack, and it's a shack. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  You Got Busted Out Again
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Botched Programming on October 21, 2010, 08:01:36 PM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          I think you get the point,Botched Programming. Staff dont shine so well in the real world and Art forgets his past and abuses of others like it's ok now. Every staff member caused abuses, that was the program and we all know that, There weren't any staff that were just so cool or easy to deal with, it was Elan, Nothing was nice there but the scenery.


          Mark my brother, thanks for the help on digging up the info on Straight. I was going to use it anyway. But let me take a minute to say a few things about former staff members. When it comes to former Straight members it lies on what level of staff and what their mentality today is torwards what they done.

          As far as Art goes, when I first came across him I was fairly new on Fornits and proceeded to try to hurt him with words and to be honest he was not who or what I was angry about. I use to try to dig up dirt and use it with Reporter to try to damage his image. Over the years I found what my true anger is about, "The Programs"...

          You may get mad at me for saying this but over the years as I've have gotten to read some of Arts sincere stuff in between him having to defend himself from me included I have come to the conclusion that Art is not too bad of a guy. Sure he was a former staff member, but the key word is former, he left that job long ago and I have read some stuff over and over, we are all responsible for having to have abused someone in the program because we knew if we did not we would be abused, it is just the way programs worked.

          I believe that Art is sorry for his time on staff and he acknowledged he was brainwashed with Elan crap, hell I bet you were too when you got out, I know I was stll programmed when I got out, took years to deprogram alot of that crap.
          [/size][/color]
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Froderik on October 21, 2010, 08:03:27 PM
          Jesus Christ, are you guys sight-impaired??

          What's up with the HUGE font?


          Carry on...
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 21, 2010, 08:53:34 PM
          Quote from: "Froderik"
          Jesus Christ, are you guys sight-impaired??

          What's up with the HUGE font?


          Carry on...



          What Do You Mean,???
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 21, 2010, 08:55:37 PM
          Quote from: "Botched Programming"
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          I think you get the point,Botched Programming. Staff dont shine so well in the real world and Art forgets his past and abuses of others like it's ok now. Every staff member caused abuses, that was the program and we all know that, There weren't any staff that were just so cool or easy to deal with, it was Elan, Nothing was nice there but the scenery.


          Mark my brother, thanks for the help on digging up the info on Straight. I was going to use it anyway. But let me take a minute to say a few things about former staff members. When it comes to former Straight members it lies on what level of staff and what their mentality today is torwards what they done.

          As far as Art goes, when I first came across him I was fairly new on Fornits and proceeded to try to hurt him with words and to be honest he was not who or what I was angry about. I use to try to dig up dirt and use it with Reporter to try to damage his image. Over the years I found what my true anger is about, "The Programs"...

          You may get mad at me for saying this but over the years as I've have gotten to read some of Arts sincere stuff in between him having to defend himself from me included I have come to the conclusion that Art is not too bad of a guy. Sure he was a former staff member, but the key word is former, he left that job long ago and I have read some stuff over and over, we are all responsible for having to have abused someone in the program because we knew if we did not we would be abused, it is just the way programs worked.

          I believe that Art is sorry for his time on staff and he acknowledged he was brainwashed with Elan crap, hell I bet you were too when you got out, I know I was stll programmed when I got out, took years to deprogram alot of that crap.
          [/size][/color]

          I wont argue with you BP,I know you have a point and I do respect that.And your right it took some years to get Elan out of my head, And I know allot is still there. Mark, :cheers:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on October 22, 2010, 07:07:08 AM
          How about you being Staff Farty, Tell everyone how you know, how people are crazy, Is it from being Elan Staff, are you going to say that I am not being truthful and you weren't staff at Elan,?? Jump in Big Mouth, I can pull up all of your post from the world wide web, we have gone down that road before and you cried all the way, Danny should have dragged you from a car. And don't bother threatening me this time its hasn't worked in 10 years ass-wipe, Go shit on 8 Balls leg or something,In you 800 sq ft shack, and it's a shack.         You Got Busted Out Again
           
          ahh Marky
          You have a serious aversion to the truth.
          I dont need to threaten you Marky. You have created your own destiny. I would imagine it could take as much as 6-8 months for The States Atty's office to sift through 10 years of your crimes,and the regularity of your harrassment.
          Besides the legality of your obsessions. You only show others how truly sick and demented you really are. Who could think up the things you say,much less post this trash. I cant think that anyone who reads your drivel,would think you should be walking around free. Sick,demented individuals like yourself, usually get locked up at some point.
          Time for another day of furiously pounding keys and posting nonsense.
          I gotta work,so people like you can recieve freebies from Oblama. Maybe he will save you ! LOL
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 22, 2010, 10:03:44 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          How about you being Staff Farty, Tell everyone how you know, how people are crazy, Is it from being Elan Staff, are you going to say that I am not being truthful and you weren't staff at Elan,?? Jump in Big Mouth, I can pull up all of your post from the world wide web, we have gone down that road before and you cried all the way, Danny should have dragged you from a car. And don't bother threatening me this time its hasn't worked in 10 years ass-wipe, Go shit on 8 Balls leg or something,In you 800 sq ft shack, and it's a shack.         You Got Busted Out Again
           
          ahh Marky
          You have a serious aversion to the truth.
          I dont need to threaten you Marky. You have created your own destiny. I would imagine it could take as much as 6-8 months for The States Atty's office to sift through 10 years of your crimes,and the regularity of your harrassment.
          Besides the legality of your obsessions. You only show others how truly sick and demented you really are. Who could think up the things you say,much less post this trash. I cant think that anyone who reads your drivel,would think you should be walking around free. Sick,demented individuals like yourself, usually get locked up at some point.
          Time for another day of furiously pounding keys and posting nonsense.
          I gotta work,so people like you can recieve freebies from Oblama. Maybe he will save you ! LOL

          States Atty.
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          I am sure they have their top man on it,he is obviously advising you to keep the ball rolling ,just for evidence of course. :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Botched Programming on October 22, 2010, 11:11:29 AM
          Oy.... I guess the hate is the love !!!! :eek:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on October 22, 2010, 11:17:16 AM
          Marky
          It doesnt matter whether I respond to your infantile tantrums or not. You are already caught. In fact you have been laughed at by all parties involved. Your problem is you must be too stupid to understand what is coming.
          Would you like me to share the 70 articles nationwide where people were charged,and convicted in the last year for the same behaviors ?
          For someone who claims to be smart.. You cannot spell,nor read and comprehend. Maybe you can claim illiteracy...
          Either way,I hope to have you filmed the day you are arrested. Am guessing you will get to see our pal Mike B
          Doing his job,arresting a criminal
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 22, 2010, 11:42:48 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Marky
          It doesnt matter whether I respond to your infantile tantrums or not. You are already caught. In fact you have been laughed at by all parties involved. Your problem is you must be too stupid to understand what is coming.
          Would you like me to share the 70 articles nationwide where people were charged,and convicted in the last year for the same behaviors ?
          For someone who claims to be smart.. You cannot spell,nor read and comprehend. Maybe you can claim illiteracy...
          Either way,I hope to have you filmed the day you are arrested. Am guessing you will get to see our pal Mike B
          Doing his job,arresting a criminal


          Just be prepared to back up all of your post's Farty , and your current threats.Oh did you forget it goes both ways. I have never threatened you Farty, just posted facts, You on the other hand, calling people out and threatening someone is coming to see them . I know you have bigger problems them me, I am just defending myself against someone like you. As far IP addresses thats going to back fire hard," Farty ". I cant wait, :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker: , Bring on your latest treats, I do, really know Mike B., and he would have called if you called him. But no call yet, You probably didn't know that did you Farty.??? :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on October 22, 2010, 12:27:45 PM
          Just be prepared to back up all of your post's Farty , and your current threats.Oh did you forget it goes both ways. I have never threatened you Farty, just posted facts, You on the other hand, calling people out and threatening someone is coming to see them . I know you have bigger problems them me, I am just defending myself against someone like you. As far IP addresses thats going to back fire hard," Farty ". I cant wait, :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker: , Bring on your latest treats, I do, really know Mike B., and he would have called if you called him. But no call yet, You probably didn't know that did you Farty.??? :beat:  :beat:  :beat:[/quote]
           
          Defending yourself.. Now thats funny. Never did I post anything about someone "coming to see you" HOWEVER.. I have 2 of those from you/Jeff Cooper (who FB says is you) and another from your IP from the failed Hate site stating 50 Bikers would be in my yard in the morning
          I did in fact call you out. But being the coward you are.. all you could do was post nastiness about my children,family and friends. Serious mistake Marky..
          Dont need IP's from fornits,tho they may inquire about it. You have done plenty of damage to yourself in other places. Like the corner of Hilltop/Boston.. Or right here @ rt 12 auto parts.
          I know you know Mike B. Maybe he didnt call you because he knows he is going to have to arrest you. We had a couple nice
          chats over coffee in his office. I didnt bring this Marky. This is all you. Show me where I even posted here prior to March of this year in 5 years... BTW... The identity of the poster(s) that stole my pics and info off facebook and posted it here,and other places has been determined for months. Again.. Its all you Marky.
          They call this Harrassment... as it escalated to include my family members.. It became a terroristic threat(s). Look it up Marky.. You can even learn what your sentence will be
          This is what you have earned,and I intend to see this through
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on October 27, 2010, 08:50:33 PM
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          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on October 30, 2010, 01:58:30 PM
          Hows my pal Mike  ?
          Sorry he had to see who you really are. You shouldnt have brought this on.
          By now I am sure you understand,that I never lied about anything,and you are simply caught.
          I am SO sorry that you havent recovered from your horrible experience at Elan. Mine was none less horrible,and tho I have days that plague me,the quality of my life continues to grow every day. I hope (sincerely) that you get better. Its got to be pretty bad to say and do the things you have.
          I was pretty angry for a long time Mark. But recently,I have had nothing but pity for you. I cant imagine being so angry and nasty all the time. I hope after all is said and done that you get the help you seem to need. We are not that different. However,this time around,you went too far
          I realy do hope you get better one day. I think you have the capability to be a nice person,but you,like myself have our demons. Unfortunately, you broke the law,violated my privacy,stole my identity,stalked and harrassed me.
          Now its time to man up
          Have a good weekend
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 10, 2010, 08:47:48 PM
          :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 15, 2010, 06:56:11 PM
          Re: How odd that Felice is banned over gay bashing ! LOL
          by mark babitz » 4 minutes ago

          liarsexposed wrote:
          yet others may say and do what they like without regard to anything
          Psy has outdone himself
          its ok for Marky to talk about homosexual sex,sex toys and the in depth descriptions as to how to use them. Its ok to have been assualted by Mark and his 6-8 screen names daily for almost a year (this time). Marky may steal one's identity,and assault anyone any time,but thats an acceptable practice here.
          But denounce the homosexual community and you get banned
          Are you sleeping with Mark ? Are you and he on the "downlow". Does he do for you, what he frequently describes here
          Someone is a hypocrit,and obviously has issues himself about being gay
          Your double standard is funny as hell. From a warped,emotionally crippled way
          What a small,insignificant little man you are Psy
          Will be laughing at you for days over that
          I could care less what your sexual pref is,or what color you are
          But you really are an idiot



          Hey stupid it's been 10 years remember,?? You ass, I have never bashed gay people here or anywhere, I could care less about somebody's sexual preferences, Do people that are gay or not like yourself, scare you Farty,?? I dont know why you have to include me in your bull shit tangent toward Mike, Mike also knows and is aware of my IP Address and, he knows all those people who attack you aren't me , All you do is make yourself look like an ass to Mike and everyone again, Go fuck yourself Art,You always put your foot in your mouth. Oh by the way you attacked me again, Stole Your Identity         You are a stupid ass.        Pull The Needle Out Of Your Arm
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 16, 2010, 07:37:20 AM
          Hey stupid it's been 10 years remember,?? You ass, I have never bashed gay people here or anywhere, I could care less about somebody's sexual preferences, Do people that are gay or not like yourself, scare you Farty,?? I dont know why you have to include me in your bull shit tangent toward Mike, Mike also knows and is aware of my IP Address and, he knows all those people who attack you aren't me , All you do is make yourself look like an ass to Mike and everyone again, Go fuck yourself Art,You always put your foot in your mouth. Oh by the way you attacked me again, Stole Your Identity         You are a stupid ass.        Pull The Needle Out Of Your Arm[/quote]
           
          That wasnt a tangent Marky. I thought it was funny,and i knew you would illistrate my point. You simply cannot control yourself. Kinda like a "small,insignificant,little man". How I appear to Psy is of no consequence to me. I simply do not care. I never said you were ALL the people who have attacked me,just many.
          Here's a heads up Marky. If I were to attack you, you would be the first to know !
          I simply stated the facts,as I see them. You are a turd, with a temper tantrum disorder.
          BTW. .when you attached my picture to a fictitious name (gary stadler) and create a FB account with it. They call that ID theft Marky.. Dont you worry pal. You are gonna learn all about it shortly.
          I was simply making the connection between you breakingthe law and harrassing others,and Felice' statements.
          Busted again.. or still Marky.
          Suicide is the answer.. We want video
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 16, 2010, 07:46:10 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Hey stupid it's been 10 years remember,?? You ass, I have never bashed gay people here or anywhere, I could care less about somebody's sexual preferences, Do people that are gay or not like yourself, scare you Farty,?? I dont know why you have to include me in your bull shit tangent toward Mike, Mike also knows and is aware of my IP Address and, he knows all those people who attack you aren't me , All you do is make yourself look like an ass to Mike and everyone again, Go fuck yourself Art,You always put your foot in your mouth. Oh by the way you attacked me again, Stole Your Identity         You are a stupid ass.        Pull The Needle Out Of Your Arm

          That wasnt a tangent Marky. I thought it was funny,and i knew you would illistrate my point. You simply cannot control yourself. Kinda like a "small,insignificant,little man". How I appear to Psy is of no consequence to me. I simply do not care. I never said you were ALL the people who have attacked me,just many.
          Here's a heads up Marky. If I were to attack you, you would be the first to know !
          I simply stated the facts,as I see them. You are a turd, with a temper tantrum disorder.
          BTW. .when you attached my picture to a fictitious name (gary stadler) and create a FB account with it. They call that ID theft Marky.. Dont you worry pal. You are gonna learn all about it shortly.
          I was simply making the connection between you breakingthe law and harrassing others,and Felice' statements.






           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  Busted again.. or still Marky.
          Suicide is the answer.. We want video[/quote]  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:



           :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 16, 2010, 10:20:45 AM
          Marky
          If you are not proud of what you post,why post that nasty content ?
          What you have done is far more distgusting than anything Felice said. Yet she is banned.
          That was the only point I was making
          But your usual temper tantrums are but a reflection of a very small,immature little man being caught
          And here you are again.....Twisting in the wind over YOUR OWN ACTIONS
          Sorry Marky
          Must be a comfy place to be in.. Liar Cheater Loser Criminal thief
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 16, 2010, 10:55:49 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Marky
          If you are not proud of what you post,why post that nasty content ?
          What you have done is far more distgusting than anything Felice said. Yet she is banned.
          That was the only point I was making
          But your usual temper tantrums are but a reflection of a very small,immature little man being caught
          And here you are again.....Twisting in the wind over YOUR OWN ACTIONS
          Sorry Marky
          Must be a comfy place to be in.. Liar Cheater Loser Criminal thief


          Why do you drag the drama's of Felice, into the spot light " Farty ",???.
          She can more than handle her own battles, Felice is far from stupid, and really doesn't need your help, Farty. She gets in and out of spots all the time, all you do cause her bad publicity,like yourself. She has known Mike allot longer and better than you, and I am sure they will,  work it out , and things will be fine. So do her a favor ,don't be her cheerleader, all you can do is make things worse, like always, your a black cloud and a cancer.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 16, 2010, 11:13:21 AM
          Gee Mark..
          why did you bring that crap here a month ago...
          Why did you bring Sharon's crap here from elsewhere 3 different times
          While accusing me of writing some shit on a newspaper commentary
          Sounds kinda hypocritical to me
          I guess only a full blown TROLL is allowed to do thses things
          Us regular people only get to be victims to your verbal/written assaults
          I bet you and Oblama mare pretty tight
          2 flip floppers
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 16, 2010, 02:31:28 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Gee Mark..
          why did you bring that crap here a month ago...
          Why did you bring Sharon's crap here from elsewhere 3 different times
          While accusing me of writing some shit on a newspaper commentary
          Sounds kinda hypocritical to me
          I guess only a full blown TROLL is allowed to do thses things
          Us regular people only get to be victims to your verbal/written assaults
          I bet you and Oblama mare pretty tight
          2 flip floppers

          Your are a sick nasty person Art, and I cant figure out why,?? Out of the clear blue you come flying in with verbal assaults, and ridicules.. Damming Gay folks and anyone who likes them, No Art, I am not Gay but if other chooses to be, so what. Why are you so mad and distributed again,??
          Is there something in your childhood no one has Goggled yet,???????? You should be nicer and quit prompting arguments, It Mike site he can do as he wishes,what don't you get it Art,?? He is tolerant to a point, and thats it, It's his Bat and Ball. Quit your subliminal attacks. Find a new friend,, :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 16, 2010, 03:48:43 PM
          Gee Mark..
          why did you bring that crap here a month ago...
          Why did you bring Sharon's crap here from elsewhere 3 different times
          While accusing me of writing some shit on a newspaper commentary
          Sounds kinda hypocritical to me
          I guess only a full blown TROLL is allowed to do thses things
          Us regular people only get to be victims to your verbal/written assaults

          Marky oh Marky.. Fornits very own shit stir stick
          I wasnt nasty Marky.. I told the truth. Perhaps thats why you cant recognize it
           
          You are very accusatory Marky. When in fact you are guilty of the same,if not more.
          Did you not take your meds this morning.. or is your sole purpose here just to stir shit up and see how much damage you can cause ?
          Maybe you should go back to posting as others. That way,you can always say the usual
          Not me,I didnt do it,was someone else,is a shared account,cant get there from here,dog ate it
          Your lies are not very distracting Marky. You are a troll responsible for messing with people for nothing more than your personal entertainment
          who is the sick one  ?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 16, 2010, 05:41:24 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Gee Mark..
          why did you bring that crap here a month ago...
          Why did you bring Sharon's crap here from elsewhere 3 different times
          While accusing me of writing some shit on a newspaper commentary
          Sounds kinda hypocritical to me
          I guess only a full blown TROLL is allowed to do thses things
          Us regular people only get to be victims to your verbal/written assaults

          Marky oh Marky.. Fornits very own shit stir stick
          I wasnt nasty Marky.. I told the truth. Perhaps thats why you cant recognize it
           
          You are very accusatory Marky. When in fact you are guilty of the same,if not more.
          Did you not take your meds this morning.. or is your sole purpose here just to stir shit up and see how much damage you can cause ?
          Maybe you should go back to posting as others. That way,you can always say the usual
          Not me,I didnt do it,was someone else,is a shared account,cant get there from here,dog ate it
          Your lies are not very distracting Marky. You are a troll responsible for messing with people for nothing more than your personal entertainment
          who is the sick one  ?



          You are anything but a regular person, Your a cancer and a fraud,You crave attention with all your lie's and act's of abuse.Stop being so miserable and string things up. You brought this on Art no one else, your busted again, and shown to be a fraud. you couldn't just leave Felice's problem her's you had to drag it out in the open. You probably did hurt Sharon"s event, your that kind of person,you would get some sick self attention from that and feel in control.

           :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers: Pull The Needle Out Of Your Arm Arty, :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 16, 2010, 06:40:34 PM
          You are anything but a regular person, Your a cancer and a fraud,You crave attention with all your lie's and act's of abuse.Stop being so miserable and string things up. You brought this on Art no one else, your busted again, and shown to be a fraud. you couldn't just leave Felice's problem her's you had to drag it out in the open. You probably did hurt Sharon"s event, your that kind of person,you would get some sick self attention from that and feel in control.
           
          This must be the only place in your life you can get some attention. What a shame too. You and I,AND Sharon know I had nothing to do with her event. You just want to stir up the shit.. well done too BTW. I can see you now
          Rocking back and forth... thinking of what to lie about next.
          I am anything but a fraud,and you would know this,if you even knew me. All of your stalking,lies,manipulations and Screen Names are all in vain Marky. Your "hits" on this site are way down. People just arent interested in reading your drivel. They know who,and what you are. It is you who have been exposed.You do this to yourself each time you post lies about others. You do this alot!
          I simply voiced an opinion,based on the several crimes you have committed. How you may come here,lie steal and cheat others.. purposely.. Whereas felice just stated an opinion and got banned. I thought it was pretty funny too. Both you and Psy are weak ,and I suspect you share your homosexual fantasies with him. Kinda like you have done here in the forums dozens of times with us
          Very weak today Marky. You have said/done nothing new. Same ole lies,same ole place,same ole inability to speak the truth.
          You wanna REALLY get some attention ?
          Drive off a bridge.. Now that I will stand up and applaud !
          Nite Marky
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 16, 2010, 08:45:34 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          You are anything but a regular person, Your a cancer and a fraud,You crave attention with all your lie's and act's of abuse.Stop being so miserable and string things up. You brought this on Art no one else, your busted again, and shown to be a fraud. you couldn't just leave Felice's problem her's you had to drag it out in the open. You probably did hurt Sharon"s event, your that kind of person,you would get some sick self attention from that and feel in control.
           
          This must be the only place in your life you can get some attention. What a shame too. You and I,AND Sharon know I had nothing to do with her event. You just want to stir up the shit.. well done too BTW. I can see you now
          Rocking back and forth... thinking of what to lie about next.
          I am anything but a fraud,and you would know this,if you even knew me. All of your stalking,lies,manipulations and Screen Names are all in vain Marky. Your "hits" on this site are way down. People just arent interested in reading your drivel. They know who,and what you are. It is you who have been exposed.You do this to yourself each time you post lies about others. You do this alot!
          I simply voiced an opinion,based on the several crimes you have committed. How you may come here,lie steal and cheat others.. purposely.. Whereas felice just stated an opinion and got banned. I thought it was pretty funny too. Both you and Psy are weak ,and I suspect you share your homosexual fantasies with him. Kinda like you have done here in the forums dozens of times with us
          Very weak today Marky. You have said/done nothing new. Same ole lies,same ole place,same ole inability to speak the truth.
          You wanna REALLY get some attention ?
          Drive off a bridge.. Now that I will stand up and applaud !
          Nite Marky


          Your a fraud and a criminal and have been caught again, quit running and explain why you wrecked Sharon's party and trolled here in the news paper. We all know you were in on it ,a little bird told us Art.Your a sick nasty man who is afraid of Homosexual's, What's next the Black or the Jews, your a hateful and tormented person,Arty. Stick your head up 8 Balls ass tonight and wiggle your ear's,He likes that. :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on November 16, 2010, 08:51:04 PM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          You are anything but a regular person, Your a cancer and a fraud,You crave attention with all your lie's and act's of abuse.Stop being so miserable and string things up. You brought this on Art no one else, your busted again, and shown to be a fraud. you couldn't just leave Felice's problem her's you had to drag it out in the open. You probably did hurt Sharon"s event, your that kind of person,you would get some sick self attention from that and feel in control.
           
          This must be the only place in your life you can get some attention. What a shame too. You and I,AND Sharon know I had nothing to do with her event. You just want to stir up the shit.. well done too BTW. I can see you now
          Rocking back and forth... thinking of what to lie about next.
          I am anything but a fraud,and you would know this,if you even knew me. All of your stalking,lies,manipulations and Screen Names are all in vain Marky. Your "hits" on this site are way down. People just arent interested in reading your drivel. They know who,and what you are. It is you who have been exposed.You do this to yourself each time you post lies about others. You do this alot!
          I simply voiced an opinion,based on the several crimes you have committed. How you may come here,lie steal and cheat others.. purposely.. Whereas felice just stated an opinion and got banned. I thought it was pretty funny too. Both you and Psy are weak ,and I suspect you share your homosexual fantasies with him. Kinda like you have done here in the forums dozens of times with us
          Very weak today Marky. You have said/done nothing new. Same ole lies,same ole place,same ole inability to speak the truth.
          You wanna REALLY get some attention ?
          Drive off a bridge.. Now that I will stand up and applaud !
          Nite Marky


          Your a fraud and a criminal and have been caught again, quit running and explain why you wrecked Sharon's party and trolled here in the news paper. We all know you were in on it ,a little bird told us Art.Your a sick nasty man who is afraid of Homosexual's, What's next the Black or the Jews, your a hateful and tormented person,Arty. Stick your head up 8 Balls ass tonight and wiggle your ear's,He likes that. :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 17, 2010, 06:50:30 AM
          Thats good Marky
          How predictable.
          How boring
          Anyone else notice Marky's pattern. Whenever caught in a lie,cover it up with more lies
          Are you 12 or 50 something Marky ?
          Thanks for tha laughs this morning
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on November 17, 2010, 08:23:14 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Thats good Marky
          How predictable.
          How boring
          Anyone else notice Marky's pattern. Whenever caught in a lie,cover it up with more lies
          Are you 12 or 50 something Marky ?
          Thanks for tha laughs this morning
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on November 17, 2010, 08:30:17 AM
          Quote from: "Farty"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Thats good Marky
          How predictable.
          How boring
          Anyone else notice Marky's pattern. Whenever caught in a lie,cover it up with more lies
          Are you 12 or 50 something Marky ?
          Thanks for tha laughs this morning


          You are the fraud and liar,and Sharon and everyone knows it.
          Why are you so mad that I came, and showed Sharon and everyone the truth about you,?? As much as you tried to lie, it only got worse for you, and you know it. no matter how many times they tried to give you a chance you FAILED,and proved me right. :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:


          PS How did 8 Ball like the head job.??
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 17, 2010, 08:39:59 AM
          Re: How odd that Felice is banned over gay bashing ! LOL
          by mark babitz » 1 minute ago

          psy wrote:
          Her ban had nothing at all to do with "gay bashing". She was posting off-topic stuff.



          Art's an Ass Mike, and just looks for a fight, but I am not telling you anything new,  
          But if he doesn't have you to bash, He always has me .LOL. Have a great day Mike,. Mark B.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 17, 2010, 08:42:24 AM
          Awweee Marky
          Another day of seeking attention.. Must really suck to be you. 50 yrs old and this is what you do every day. Tsk Tsk Tsk
          Temper Temper Marky
          Stay home today again,post your drivel,will look later and laugh at you
          Can I send you over a Pizza ?
          Or a box of Kleenex ?
          Dont cry little marky.. Someone will want to play with you today
          Its just not me :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
           ::poke::  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 17, 2010, 08:45:35 AM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Re: How odd that Felice is banned over gay bashing ! LOL
          by mark babitz » 1 minute ago

          psy wrote:
          Her ban had nothing at all to do with "gay bashing". She was posting off-topic stuff.



          Art's an Ass Mike, and just looks for a fight, but I am not telling you anything new,  
          But if he doesn't have you to bash, He always has me .LOL. Have a great day Mike,. Mark B.

          Umm Marky
          Could you clean the shitstain off your lips before you see your drug dealer today ?
          Mike and I have our differences,but he's no fool. Everyone knows what you have done,what you do every day,and how many screen names you use to do it
          Its old news boy... (and I do mean boy)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 17, 2010, 09:21:50 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Re: How odd that Felice is banned over gay bashing ! LOL
          by mark babitz » 1 minute ago

          psy wrote:
          Her ban had nothing at all to do with "gay bashing". She was posting off-topic stuff.



          Art's an Ass Mike, and just looks for a fight, but I am not telling you anything new,  
          But if he doesn't have you to bash, He always has me .LOL. Have a great day Mike,. Mark B.

          Umm Marky
          Could you clean the shitstain off your lips before you see your drug dealer today ?
          Mike and I have our differences,but he's no fool. Everyone knows what you have done,what you do every day,and how many screen names you use to do it
          Its old news boy... (and I do mean boy)

          Don't claim common ground with Mike, you just got done bashing him,you fool.
          And most of all, Mike does know how many screen names I have, and knows your crazy and a fool. Your a pawn, and thats why he has left you here to play with. Do you think he has forgotten all the bull shit, you put him and Ginger threw with your tangents and tantrums,??? He leaves you here for payback, for your admitted abuses, and crimes towards others.I am sure he laugh's till he cry's when The Reporter and Me Dig our heals into you.Your a fool Art. :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 17, 2010, 09:29:38 AM
          Do you think he has forgotten all the bull shit, you put him and Ginger threw with your tangents and tantrums,???

          the bullshit Fornits went through was as a result of you posting your ill-gotten pics,and personal info from my fb page ... period
          I warned you,and I warned them.
          then I had to do what the law allows
          Kinda like whats coming in your life. You think you are above the law,or SO Smart that you wont get caught ?
          Its too late pal.. You are caught.
          Perhaps if you had taken the high road,like most adults do.... But no,not marky. You had to make up 5 hatesites and play this game you are playing today
          All because you are exposed and caught
          Bring the reporter marky.. I like that you refer to your other screen name in the 3rd person
          I think you could use an insanity defense and perhaps avoid jail time
          You certainly are wound up today marky
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 17, 2010, 09:51:44 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Do you think he has forgotten all the bull shit, you put him and Ginger threw with your tangents and tantrums,???

          the bullshit Fornits went through was as a result of you posting your ill-gotten pics,and personal info from my fb page ... period
          I warned you,and I warned them.
          then I had to do what the law allows
          Kinda like whats coming in your life. You think you are above the law,or SO Smart that you wont get caught ?
          Its too late pal.. You are caught.
          Perhaps if you had taken the high road,like most adults do.... But no,not marky. You had to make up 5 hatesites and play this game you are playing today
          All because you are exposed and caught
          Bring the reporter marky.. I like that you refer to your other screen name in the 3rd person
          I think you could use an insanity defense and perhaps avoid jail time
          You certainly are wound up today marky



          Wound up, your the one who started the ball rolling again and you look like an ass,
          You are the one wishing and threatening death to me,Your the one crusading for help and damming other's, you shrew. :cheers:  :cheers:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:


          PS I still don't like you as a friend, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 17, 2010, 10:21:55 AM
          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=n ... Ay8qtXVVNg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=news&cd=1&ved=0CCQQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pressherald.com%2Fnews%2Fn_h_-promoter-plans-scarborough-concerts_2010-11-16.html&ei=pvLjTLvaLojDnAea6um0Dg&usg=AFQjCNEVa7hyew4I8aE9Km8NAy8qtXVVNg)



          N.H. promoter plans Scarborough concerts
          Up to five country music shows seating 15,000 fans could be held next year at Scarborough Downs.
          By Ann S. Kim [email protected] (http://mailto:[email protected])
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 17, 2010, 10:23:35 AM
          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=n ... 5SJoO-fClw (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=news&cd=2&ved=0CC8QqQIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessweek.com%2Fap%2Ffinancialnews%2FD9J8C2580.htm&ei=pvLjTLvaLojDnAea6um0Dg&usg=AFQjCNGCwhujzvvs0fOjmYCZ5SJoO-fClw)




          Biddeford voters throw support behind racino

          STORY TOOLS

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          BIDDEFORD, MAINE

          Voters in Biddeford, Maine, have given their support to bringing a racino to the city.

          By a margin of 59 percent to 41 percent, voters approved a referendum Tuesday asking if they favored allowing a so-called racino, a horse track with a slot machine facility, to be built.

          Scarborough Downs, which now operates a horse track in Scarborough, and New Hampshire-based Ocean Properties Ltd. want to build a new track, hotel and entertainment complex in Biddeford if voters give their approval.

          Statewide voter approval is also required before a racino could be built.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 17, 2010, 10:25:19 AM
          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... HiPUu8uTUQ (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CDcQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scarboroughdowns.com%2FMike.php&ei=o_LjTKaqIZStngfs86WFDw&usg=AFQjCNESgEmIHVi634hwYg60HiPUu8uTUQ)






                                                        :cheers:   History of Scarborough Downs. :cheers:




          About Scarborough Downs

          Our Mission:
          At Scarborough Downs, we are dedicated to the sport of harness racing. We strive to entertain the public, and provide a livelihood for the equine industry so we can provide for our employees, community, and State of Maine Agricultural interests.

          Scarborough Downs Harness Racetrack is proud to be celebrating its 60th year of business! And we owe our success to all our valued customers and horse men and women who support the track each and every season.

          Nestled in the tall pines on 500 acres in the heart of Southern Maine in the town of Scarborough, Scarborough Downs is the home of New England's fastest half-mile track. The track, designed by Charles Coon and Sons, has drawn rave reviews by horsemen and women throughout its fast-paced history.

          The track was once a popular Thoroughbred track when it opened in the 50s until the 70s, then became a harness track.



          The track's unique setting draws thousands every racing season from all parts of the United States, Canada and beyond!

          In addition to its 2010 live harness racing schedule, Scarborough Downs offers simulcasting of both thoroughbred and harness races from premier tracks from across the US and Canada -- 363 days a year, noon to midnight.

          Close to the beaches and only 7 miles from downtown Portland, Maine's largest city, Scarborough Downs is one of the top entertainment destinations in the state -- We were voted the area's top Recreation Destination four years in a row! We truly are the only place to watch The Kentucky Derby and all the Triple Crown races! We are also host to a series of exciting and educational events all year long, from Family Fun Day to The Maine Breeders Stakes races! This year, we're holding the 2-year-old Stakes Finals in September and the 3-year-old Stakes Finals in October. Plus there's the Joseph Ricci Memorial Trotting Series and the Mid-Summer Classic! Just check our site for the latest updates on all our special events. Whether you are new to harness racing or are a seasoned fan, you'll enjoy the thrill of a visit to the track. So make sure you stop in for a visit on your next trip to Maine, and enjoy your day at the races!

          How to Get to the Track!

          Directions: We are conveniently located off Exit 42 of the Maine Turnpike, north or south. To use our Payne Road Entrance: Turn left after the toll plaza and the track entrance is on the right at the next traffic light. You can also reach us via US Route 1: Just head south from the Oak Hill intersection for about 1 mile and Scarborough Downs is on the Right at the 3rd light. From Portland: Take 295 South to Exit 3/Scarborough. Follow access road to Route 1 South. Pass through 7 traffic lights. Scarborough Downs is on the right at the 8th light.



          The Grandstand Building under construction, circa 1949



          The Scarborough Downs mile race track under construction (circa 1949)



          In the old days, draft horses used to pull the starting gate
          out before the start of the races. Note the crowd gathered trackside in the shadows.

          A Brief Timeline of Scarborough Downs

          July 1, 1950 - Businessmen Robert Verrier and Fred Snow open Scarborough Downs. The owners built the track and clubhouse in 75 days on land they bought from Scarborough for $600. Scarborough Downs conducts thoroughbred racing exclusively.

          1951 - Gorham Raceway President Joseph Cianchette and Verrier go to court over competing race dates at harness racetrack Gorham Raceway and Scarborough Downs. The court rules that thoroughbred races and harness races can’t be run at the same time.

          1959 - Scarborough Downs enjoys the height of its popularity, with betting over $65 million this year, adjusted for inflation, and attendance just under 260,000 people.

          1968 - Its bottom line bruised by competition from harness racing, Scarborough Downs is sold to West Virginia sportsman, James Edwards, for about $1 million.

          1969 - Scarborough Downs is sold to Ogden Corp. of New York and begins offering harness racing as well as thoroughbred racing.

          1973 - The half-mile oval track is built and Scarborough Downs switches to harness racing exclusively.

          1975 - Scarborough Downs struggles to turn a profit and appears headed for bankruptcy; Ogden puts the track up for sale.

          1979 - Thirty-three-year-old businessman Joseph Ricci buys Scarborough Downs for $990,000.

          2001 - Joseph Ricci dies at age 55. His widow, Sharon Terry, assumes ownership of the track.

          2003 - Scarborough voters reject a referendum that would allow slot machines at the Downs.

          2008 - The plan for Saratoga-modeled town center and slot machines at the Downs is voted down by the Town of Scarborough in a referendum.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 17, 2010, 10:58:01 AM
          Marky
          You dont even know who I am am. But I am pretty sure I dont like you either. I promise you,if I should threaten you,you will be the 1st to know kid.
          If I had a little more today I would find the  posts where yoat you brought your tantrums here from your hate sites. Then I would find your posts about Felice that you brought here from another site,and then (of course ) your blatent lies that you brought here from a newspaper comment (that you prob made)
          Marky
          Who started this mess ? Who keeps it going every chance you get ? Who really brought down fornits ?
          Now you are gonna post more hate and bile.. Its what you do when you are caught. Cuz you never admit any wrongdoing ever
          You are the king of mis-information
          You have no interest in seeing Elan closed
          Only making others the victims of your pain
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 17, 2010, 01:37:21 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Marky
          You dont even know who I am am. But I am pretty sure I dont like you either. I promise you,if I should threaten you,you will be the 1st to know kid.
          If I had a little more today I would find the  posts where yoat you brought your tantrums here from your hate sites. Then I would find your posts about Felice that you brought here from another site,and then (of course ) your blatent lies that you brought here from a newspaper comment (that you prob made)
          Marky
          Who started this mess ? Who keeps it going every chance you get ? Who really brought down fornits ?
          Now you are gonna post more hate and bile.. Its what you do when you are caught. Cuz you never admit any wrongdoing ever
          You are the king of mis-information
          You have no interest in seeing Elan closed
          Only making others the victims of your pain

          Oh would take the needle out of your arm Art,Your start all the problems ,your name is all over the world wide web, for being a hate monger and problem starter.Your an ass Art, and it's no more complicated than that.You put my name in your hate speech to Mike, about something you had nothing to do with,Trying once again to slander me and steal my identity.Real soon the court's will be closing in on your fraudulent ass, And examining your admitting to having sex with under age kids. remember that one Art,?????  We all do, and you never have explained that to us,  why you would do that kind of stuff, then brag about it, caught again Art.Your always getting busted try to escape the truth, you fraud,and a shrew. :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on November 17, 2010, 02:00:49 PM
          :cheers:  :cheers:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 17, 2010, 02:39:57 PM
          Posting and agreeing wit yourself
          Where have I seen this before
          I think you are crying again
          Hurry and call your partner (right hand)
          Thats all the support you have Marky.
          You are caught still.. Post whatever you like.
          Will be fun watching you answer for this and everything else
          Better stock up on Kleenex Marky
          Gonna be some real crying shortly
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on November 17, 2010, 03:02:46 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Posting and agreeing wit yourself
          Where have I seen this before
          I think you are crying again
          Hurry and call your partner (right hand)
          Thats all the support you have Marky.
          You are caught still.. Post whatever you like.
          Will be fun watching you answer for this and everything else
          Better stock up on Kleenex Marky
          Gonna be some real crying shortly

           :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on November 17, 2010, 04:03:21 PM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Do you think he has forgotten all the bull shit, you put him and Ginger threw with your tangents and tantrums,???

          the bullshit Fornits went through was as a result of you posting your ill-gotten pics,and personal info from my fb page ... period
          I warned you,and I warned them.
          then I had to do what the law allows
          Kinda like whats coming in your life. You think you are above the law,or SO Smart that you wont get caught ?
          Its too late pal.. You are caught.
          Perhaps if you had taken the high road,like most adults do.... But no,not marky. You had to make up 5 hatesites and play this game you are playing today
          All because you are exposed and caught
          Bring the reporter marky.. I like that you refer to your other screen name in the 3rd person
          I think you could use an insanity defense and perhaps avoid jail time
          You certainly are wound up today marky



          Wound up, your the one who started the ball rolling again and you look like an ass,
          You are the one wishing and threatening death to me,Your the one crusading for help and damming other's, you shrew. :cheers:  :cheers:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:


          PS I still don't like you as a friend, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:








           :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat: :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 17, 2010, 06:35:37 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Posting and agreeing wit yourself
          Where have I seen this before
          I think you are crying again
          Hurry and call your partner (right hand)
          Thats all the support you have Marky.
          You are caught still.. Post whatever you like.
          Will be fun watching you answer for this and everything else
          Better stock up on Kleenex Marky
          Gonna be some real crying shortly

          Oh the great Fart has threatened again, when he gets busted out for the real truth again,woo, woo, :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  Your a fraud and a cry baby, and quit trying to steal my identity. :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 17, 2010, 06:38:21 PM
          Tell us about the under age sex with girl story again Uncle Farty, You never finished,Busted again. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 17, 2010, 07:05:58 PM
          Joe Ricci.

          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=n ... ULMrhonh4g (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=news&cd=1&ved=0CCQQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fid%3DpBEqAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DJWsFAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D4447%2C5058470%26dq%3Djoe%2Bricci%26hl%3Den&ei=BWnkTMGvPMSp8Aays-2hDQ&usg=AFQjCNEG_Gz_LBGqLLNGaW8LULMrhonh4g)


          Great Book

          http://books.google.com/books?id=yV7qUs ... YQ6AEwBzgK (http://books.google.com/books?id=yV7qUsxMC2AC&pg=PT410&lpg=PT410&dq=joe+ricci+elan+one&source=bl&ots=Q1YNaRW_6z&sig=Ho5WITyJGIc-P-1m06HmY7d-wWQ&hl=en&ei=7GvkTP-QJsL98Ab54oGsDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CEYQ6AEwBzgK)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 17, 2010, 09:35:38 PM
          awe marky seeking attention still
          when you tell me how a person could fall as hard and fast as you have
          reduced to telling lies over and over
          your keen intimate knowledge  of anal sex toys and what to do with them
          are  you gay too ? is this your way of hittting on me?
          how flattering
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 18, 2010, 06:43:35 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          awe marky seeking attention still
          when you tell me how a person could fall as hard and fast as you have
          reduced to telling lies over and over
          your keen intimate knowledge  of anal sex toys and what to do with them
          are  you gay too ? is this your way of hittting on me?
          how flattering


          Gay bashing again Art,??
          How does a Pedophile, bash Gay folks,?? Gay people don't rape or hurt anyone,Are you afraid of Gay people Art, and the security and confidence they have in themselves , that you don't,??

          Are you mad because you fit this profile,????????
           
          http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Pedophilia (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Pedophilia)

          DO IT TODAY!
          Pedophilia is a word which Americans can't say right. It is also a brain problem where the subject is sexually turned on by the damn fucking young (3 to 13 years old), but most of the people busted for kiddyfiddling are busted as a first offense for going after 13-17, whereas the ones going after under 13 usually get away with it for a long time until they start to obsess over the infamous baby fuck.
          Pedophiles work within a similar system in which George Lucas copied for the Jedi. There is an Master "a.k.a. deaddrop" (see nexopia) and a Padawan, "a.k.a. republican". Famous paedos include Jack McClellan, Michael Jackson, Michael Towers and the cast and crew of Cbeebies. A first time offender going after a 17 year old and then caught by Chris Hansen might look normal. But a long-term pedophile is typically an ungainly and unattractive male person possessing a bad shave, a look of southern inbreeding, and will play at home with children's toys. He may have had a light colored van with highly tinted windows, which he uses to kidnap and fuck the shit out of your children. If no van, then the long term pedophile is skilled at child grooming and will form a long-term attachment before molesting the child. But remember, Chris Hansen is always watching.
          It should also be noted that pedophiles are ONLY MEN. There are no women pedophiles. Actually, there are but they do not do such things online but instead with their 16 yr old jock students who, to them, are just plain lucky, but this does not mean it will happen to you, in fact, it will not. Wrong, women are incapable of pedophilia because women are 1, not attracted to men, and 2, do not want sex. Thusforth women pedophilia is impossible. Pedophilia in men starts at the age of 13 where they start to find their 13 female classmates attractive. This however retains in males even through their upper teenhood (not the same classmates, the ones that are thirteen NOW, dumbass.) Males even at the age of 20 are still attracted to 13 year olds, but at the age of 20, they instead settle for a fat 15 year old (if they are not in college) or a decent 20 year old (if they are in college). When a male turns 30, he goes through a stage of "committment" in which he finds a decent girl (usually 25, just when they are dropping out of college) to get married to and live with. Even through their 30s, men are still attracted to 13 year old girls. As a man reaches 40, he becomes unattracted to his ugly smoker had a baby wife and starts going on the internet to talk to younger girls on facebook or yahoo chatrooms. At the age of 40 is when men start hitting on the babysitter, or their neice or whatever, which usually results in marital problems. When a man turns 50, his wife is completely done with sex and therefore the man must resort to actually persuing his dreams of pedophilia. What now goes through his head is "if im gonna cheat on my wife, it might as well be with a 13 yr old" Because men are just like that. This is when they begin their "plan" to finally realize their hidden fantasy. Between then and the time they actually go to it can take up to 30 years, or 3 days if theyre really dumb. Then, as they finally meet the young girl they hope to get freaky deaky with, Gary Oak comes out of their bedroom zipping up his pants, followed by Chris Hansen who owns you before the police put the perminant banhammer on your ass. Your life is over, good job.
          Contents [hide]
          1 Child Molester Rap
          2 Pro activism
          3 On teh internets
          4 Foreigners
          5 Pedo videos
          6 Using religion to subvert the system
          7 Terms and Types
          7.1 Babies
          7.2 Pre
          7.3 Pubes
          8 Gallery
          8.1 Necessities
          8.2 Fap-Worthy
          8.3 Starlet-Worthy
          9 See Also
          9.1 Pro
          10 External Links
          10.1 Lulz
          10.2 Genuine appreciators of unused-virgin-pussy
          10.2.1 Internal
          10.2.2 Personal
          10.3 Anti
          10.4 Anti-Anti
          10.5 Helpful YouTube Documentary
          Child Molester Rap

          Based on the song "Ha" by Juvenile
          That's you with that bad ass candy van ha
          That's you that can't keep yo' women ha
          cause you keep fuckin their children ha
          You gotta go to court ha
          You got served a subpoena for child abuse ha
          That was that nerve ha
          You ain't even much get a chance to say a word ha
          I know you a child rapist but your rich parents got ya out with money ha
          You ready to fuck one of them children ass ha
          You ain't scared ha
          You know how to play wiv 'em ha
          I know you ain't just gonna let a moralist come and punk you ha
          You know who got the youngest kids in da hood ha
          You know how to groom them in triplets ha
          Shit ain't hard as it seems ha
          You keep your body clean ha
          You got a lot of candy ha
          Some of your friends sell dope ha
          You really want to fuck them children ha
          You show up with them children ha
          You stuck it in them children ha

          (Chorus 2X)

          You a child molester, you got them in the crosshair
          Remaining a pedo until the moment you expire
          You know what it is to make a sex slave out of a child
          You rape those children and they be cryin and suffering

          You can't do nothing but love little girls ha
          She wants to know what you gonna do next ha
          You brought duct tape with glue ha
          You not even wearing a condom ha
          You tryin to protect your chest ha
          You spent 70 on candy ha
          That ain't yours, girl, that's for your friends ha
          You wanna let these girls play with your rod ha
          You wanna run the child market ha
          You wanna be the only pedo which sells children ha
          You keep your cock hard ha
          You count the money at the end of the night ha
          You on a three day flight to the Caribbean ha
          Your basement full of children there ha
          You fuckin them children ha
          Your face was on the news last night ha
          You the one that robbed them little creatures of their innocence last night ha
          You meet them in their houses when it's dark ha
          They claim you a thug and you ain't got no heart ha
          You came in her ass on new years eve ha
          You got stuck in that little bitch and couldn't leave ha
          It was hard for her to breathe ha

          (Chorus 2X)

          You a child molester, you got them in the crosshair
          Remaining a pedo until the moment you expire
          You know what it is to make a sex slave out of a child
          You rape those children and they be cryin and suffering

          You got a trespassing charge ha
          That dick got hard ha
          When you were looking at them little girls ha
          You don't know when to quit ha
          That's you with that girl shouting shit ha
          That's you with that candy shit ha
          That's you that's taking them innocence ha
          That little hoe don't know when to shut up her mouth ha
          You gonna knock that little hoe teeth out ha
          You done switched from ass to mouth ha
          You search for children everytime you leave your house ha
          Them welfare checks arrived ha
          You bout to fuck that girl ha
          You bout to steal another virginity ha
          You gonna treat your children well ha
          You bout to go put the dick in one of these hoes' cunt ha
          When you broke her you drove her crazy ha
          When you paid her in candy you got other kids to fuck ha
          You always on top ha
          You rob some child's innocence ha
          You don't think you can be stopped ha
          You ridin in the candy van with little girls in it ha

          (Chorus 2X)

          You a child molester, you got them in the crosshair
          Remaining a pedo until the moment you expire
          You know what it is to make a sex slave out of a child
          You rape those children and they be cryin and suffering


          Pedophiles' Guide to Little Girls


          Another Handy Pedo reference chart
          File:I can count to potato.jpg
          This is what pedophiles are attracted to.
          Pro activism



          internet pedo hunting ground...
          Imitating the disinformation campaign of the furries, organizations like NAMBLA and social movements like childlove exist to make kid-fucking (specifically boy-fucking) seem normal, and seek to make their vile practice totally legal (homosexuality was also regarded as evil and unnatural in the past, but faggots will ignore this fact). Organizations like Perverted-Justice, meanwhile, pretend to exist to hunt pedophile morons (or just general perverted dumbasses) down like dogs, get them arrested, and then post their personal information online for everyone to mock and throw flaming bags of dog crap at. However, neither Perverted-Justice nor Chris Hansen have ever caught a real pedophile, only people going after 16 year old girls whereas all pedophiles say 16 is too old, and hell they say 11 is too old, too. A lot of these Perverted Justice types, are passive-aggressive sociopaths who pop chubbies at the opportunity to ruin flawed people's lives on television.
          The ones that are anti-pedo usually are just biggots that moved to pedophobia since homophobia is frowned upon in society.
          Their "arguments" are usually like
          "Pedos dont love children!!!1" --- (fail to realize that also many heterosexuals dont love women)
          "Pedos raep teh children!11" --- (fail to realize that also many heterosexuals rape women.)
          "attraction to children is a sickness because its not natural to be attracted to children!"
          "if you truly love teh children you cant be attracted to them!"
          "ALL the pedos raeps teh children thus is bad!!11"omg"
          "youre a pedoo your wr00ng"!!1"

          Some argue organizations like Perverted Justice are composed entirely of illiterate faggots with no sex-lives on a hate trip, claiming that they come across as even more stupid than the pedophiles they are trying to hunt, though again they've never caught a single pedophile, only people after jailbait. By making pedophilia even more taboo, they proudly claim to have actually increased the amount of pedophiles in America by over 9,000 since 2001. However, the people who argue this are usually pedos themselves and like the owner of corrupted-justice.com, Scott Morrow (a diaper wearing faggot), they have little concept of the fact that pedophilia is already taboo. You can't get much more taboo than fucking children. It is not known how you force a pedophile underground further, although it's probably something to do with the self-pwnage of Perverted Justice "victims".
          Disney has been known to endorse pedophilia, such as in the lesser-known furry movie The Rescuers.
          Mr Mac teaches you how to get the job done:

          Utah's version of Mr Mac
          On teh internets



          Text-book pedo talk.
          The REALLY stupid pedophiles are found in Internet chat rooms, Not4chan, Anontalk, and IRC under names like "bunnyHoney22", "Markos", "velocity7", "Foehammer95", "burntheprettyones", or "fungirlL00k1ingforguyz". For the people who can actually use a computer, there are on-topic imageboards, hosting services and Gnutella, available on any darknet (including Freenet, Tor and I2P). In the words of Raptor Jesus: "Turn a stone and you shall...IS DAT SUM CP, FUKKEN SAVED." They also exist on LJ, targeting 12 year old girls and 13 year old boys. Various Pedophile Support Communities are found all over the internets.
          Extensive scientific research has shown that, BTW, some kids are totally asking for it. However, everybody knows that this is a load of shit.
          Below is an example of a cultural phenomenon which has emerged in the past two decades, that of the almost-JB acting like non-JB which is weird even though they're obviously only attractive to sick fucks and other 11 year olds, so, yeah, confusion probably. If they stripped off, they'd be CP and you'd get fucking V&, sunshine. Contrary to popular belief, the behavior below is not why girls on YouTube are victims of surprise sex but rather a manifestation of a change in media demographics and a slackening of parental controls on increasingly difficult to censor communication mediums. This has been emergent since the 1980s and is now reaching crisis point.
          Of course, they could just be totally asking for it.
          Foreigners

          JewTube video showing a national treasure of Australia.

           
          “     
          Alright, grub. KEH-KEH-KEH-KEH-KEH-KEH-KEH! Grub."
               „
           
          —Crazy Australian Pedophile 2:59
          In England and its colonies, where the main language isn't Spanglish, pedophiles are known as "paedophiles" (pronounced "Pee - Doh - Files"). "Paedophiles" successfully avoid capture, year after year, due to the difficulty of spelling this word correctly on legal paper work. Because it's so hard to spell, pediatricians in the UK are regularly mistaken as pedophiles and attacked by angry mobs; see this story.
          The massive amount of taxpayer expense involved in these judiciary blunders is why the age of consent in those areas was lowered to 16. Pedobear suggests Iceland where the age of consent is 14. Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Faroe Islands are also recommended where the age of consent is 5.
          England now has a site dedicated to naming and shaming pædophiles; or, as they are more commonly known, "nonces". (Brit slang circa 1970).
          Noncewatch (BALEETED) is an offshoot of the website Redwatch (BALEETED), a "Hit List" database run by a conglomerate of mouthbreathing Aryan Nation fucktards that lists home addresses and other private information about the pinko commie scum of England (i.e., anyone who denies the supremacy of the white race, believes in evolution, or called them names in grammar school). Not surprisingly, the British establishment, seriously lacking in lulz, have attempted time and again to get the site closed.
          Despite the overwhelming evidence that the majority of pædophiles who target the same sex do not identify themselves as homosexual and have a history of exclusively heterosexual adult relationships, they often list run-of-the-mill faggots who have no connection with child pornography at all.
          In the middle east, it is perfectly legal for older men to marry children as young as 10 years old.
           
          “     
          A girl aged 10 or 12 can be married. Those who think she's too young are wrong and they are being unfair to her."
               „
           
          —Sheikh Abdul Aziz Al-Sheikh , speaking from Osama Bin Laden's recent wedding.
          Pedo videos

          See also: a bear's collection of songs and videos which are relevant this this subject matter
                
          Do the Sex Offender Shuffle!

          Previous Video  |  Next Video
                
          Using religion to subvert the system

          Mohel's and other circumcisers get hard (or sometimes wet) from the idea of playing with an infants penis, and cutting into it with sharp objects. Feminist man-hating pedo's love this most, but 40 something year old pedo males with doctorates love it as well.
          The Jewish Pedo Mohel especially loves sucking the penis of the boy after cutting the boy, getting hard, and cuming in his pants (a ritualistic Jewish ceremony known as the bris milah). That is the best part!
          Terms and Types

          Babies


          Jewish baby get's his first blow job!
          Neophilia/Infantophilia: Also known as baby fuck (IT'SSS AWWRIGHTTT!!!), these pedos fuck the shit out of babies for their plushy-textured vaginas. No one knows if this is even possible, as an infant's vagina would be probably really fucking hard to squeeze into (unless their dicks are really really small). News reports claim that 1-year olds are regularly raped in Zimbabwe because people there believing deflowering a virgin cures AIDS, but since all babies born in Zimbabwe are AIDS babies, the opposite occurs.
          Toddlercon: Porn for Infantophiles who want more mature women
          Pre


          What Ephebophilies go after. Can you really blame them?
          Childlove: Remember-It's a child's RIGHT to be fucked! And if they tell no one will believe them anyways.
          Nineyophilia: a special will to pleasure girls, only at the age of 9. People who have this sickness like to love-kiss little girls in the shower.
          Pederasty: Raping little boys is EDUCATIONAL!
          Pedosexual: Alternate term. Pedophiles prefer it because they think it makes pedophilia sound like a normal sexual orientation. Anti-pedos prefer it because it reminds people that pedophiles don't love children and only want to have sex with them, as opposed to necrophiliacs who really do fall romantically in love with dead bodies.
          Pubes

          An experienced pedophile
          Hebephilia: Enjoys pubescent Jewish pre-teens, plain and simple. Chris Hansen and Perverted-Justice target this type of person exclusively. NathanR and Brian Peppers were also busted for this. Real pedophiles like the people at Anontalk.com consider this so old that they're disgusted by it.
          Ephebophilia: Like Hebephilia, but instead of 11-14, it's 13-18, which is even less pedo, though still legally defined as "child," wink wink.
          Teleiophilia: Gets off only on larger, hairier children who can vote, buy cigarettes, and might be wrinkly. A common symptom of this disorder is the unavoidable urge to spend time on the telephone, thus the name.
          Gerontophilia: Gets off on shrunken thin-skinned children who don't need to earn money & often take pills to have erections. Their caregivers often restrict their candy intake since they have a tendency to get hyper. They sometimes nickname their victims 'elders' because their sweat tastes as sweet as elderberries since they sneak so much candy regardless.
          Negrophilia: As the elders continue to shrink, they enter a period of hibernation under the earth during which point they continue to lose weight and become very neotenic. Their skin blackens, and eventually with the assistance of the Negrophile who is an expert at digging, they emerge from the earth as an negro who, in appreciation, offer themself to the negrophile's wim. Negrophiles have a tendency to allow their insect friends sloppy seconds, at which point they indulge their vore fetish. Often, the negro is so sexually satisfied by being gangraped by the negrophile and bug friends that they will pass out for at least 100 centuries. Some of the females who don't get off may relocate for additional sex.
          Gallery

          Galleria De Pedophilios

          An emo has the right to baby fuck too

          Jessica Verdun is a female pedo.

          Stalker pedophile... as you can see, a normal person

          in Greece it's Awwww-Right!
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          Necessities
          Necessities

          Keeps your kids fresh!

          If you don't have the limited edition complete Jailbait Collection, you're officially not a pedophile.

          Pedophiles: Please print out and use for reference.

          Christopher owns one of these numbers.
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          Fap-Worthy
          Fap-Worthy Lolitas & Shotas

          All this and a stable job with benefits too!

          Would you go to jail for this? Who, me? Yes, you. Couldn't be! Then who? Not me.

          A nonfag pedo's wet dream

          Does this turn you on? If so, you are a pedophile! Or a fatty.
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          Starlet-Worthy
          Starlet-Worthy

          Pedo got a wet dream of this girl.

          Pedobear Love her girl from "Disney".

          You Know You want Her!

          This Picture make Pedo feel Wet!

          Stephanie like to Give Pedo a Blowjob Anytime!

          PedoBear Love Her!

          This Pedobear Love Stephanie Tanner!

          Pedobear met the girl of his Dream!

          Pedo Favorite Typical Scene from the Disney Movie "The Game Plan".

          Typical Scene from Full House.

          Pedo Dreamgirl
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          See Also

          Danny Elfman
          Kidnapping
          Michael Jackson
          Chris-chan
          PedoBear
          Fergie Olver
          BoA
          Shaycarl
          Pro


          "wut r u wearin?"


          This is how they deal with pedos in Britain.
          The Prophet Muhammad
          Silas Marner
          Pete Townshend
          Joe Napier
          Anontalk.com
          Austria
          Belgium
          Boychat -A chat website for pedophiles
          Catholic Church
          Comicality
          Dave Warwak
          Dynacatlovesme
          Gary Glitter
          Irish282
          John Mark Karr
          Josef Fritzl
          LoganSperman2
          LordZedd16
          LtFlagger
          Philip Anthony Thompson
          Softpaw Magazine - For the furries
          Swirlface
          Updownmostly
          Young Tubers United
          Ytv
          External Links

          Lulz
          My 7 yo daughter can't stop masturbating
          PedoSmiles contact list
          Sex Offender Island- A real place in Washington State where pedos can live in harmony for life!
          "Teenage girls...shaving pubic hair..!"
          "Am I a Pedo? - Online Self Help Utility"
          Creepy Movie Reviews by a Pedo
          Genuine appreciators of unused-virgin-pussy
          AttractedToChildren.org
          12chan - for sick fucks of the age around 21
          Newgon.com - "Research indicates that -"
          National Youth Rights Association
          NAMBLA
          Visions of Alice
          Deeker Pedo in every way of the word the dude is a freak enter the site at your own risk. and he thinks "ONLY BOYS SHOULD WEAR DIAPERS! (that kind of pedo)
          ASSTR.org
          Will Somers' Happy Kids in Kikky Skirts
          Velocity's Lolita Bondage - where the pedos like to tie up little girls Link Dead
          Falwell.com - Because he loved children.
          dads and daughters.org
          http://www.doujinland.com (http://www.doujinland.com) Filled with comics Michael Jackson and Pedobear would enjoy.
          WeLoveTeenGirls.com - Notice there is no Terms of Use or any other lawsuit page.
          2doujin.com - Can pedo enjoy anymore than this.
          WouldYouHitThis.com - The creepiest place on the net.
          WeAreLittleStars: Pedophile Heaven
          Even police departments aren't sacred from kiddy diddling.
          Internal
          NAMBLA
          Not4chan
          [[Second Life/Logs#Ninja Troll versus the Pedophile|Second Life] - is a good place for pedos!
          [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Adopt-a-User|You can start here] the only thing that stands between evil and the innocent
          Personal
          The Cemetery Rapist
          MadisonLoverYoutube- The Next Upcoming Disney BadGirl (Enjoyed!)
          GirlLove
          Anti
          Belgium
          Chris Hansen
          Mission: MySpace, and internet humanitarians in general
          NOpedo.org. Help Rael save the children from the Pope!
          Warriors for Innocence - the only thing that stands between evil and the innocent.
          Jack McClellan - a site that exposes pedophile Jack McClellan.
          The Roots Of Pedophilia
          http://www.perverted-justice.com (http://www.perverted-justice.com) Some of Perverted Justice's advice to parents: Despite the controversy of video game violence, video games are an easy way to occupy computer time. After all, if your child is playing a video game, they are not in chatrooms being groomed by predatory pedophiles. We at Perverted-Justice.com firmly believe that killing characters in virtual reality is 10,000 times healthier than being perved in real life. (Assuming your child isn't playing on Xbox Live or Playstation Network, that is...)
          FBI's super seckrit guide to pedophile symbols
          Who the fuck is sdarcy and why is their facebook here?
          Anti-Anti
          Corrupted-Justice
          Guy on MySpace boldly defends pedophilia.
          Known supporter of antilulz
          Helpful YouTube Documentary


          Sounds like you Farty, Just going by your admitted post's you have presented. :beat:  :beat:
          And no, I am not mad,just disgusted by you and your behaviors,and constant lie's.Your a very sick person and a nasty man.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 18, 2010, 06:56:29 AM
          HaHaHa
          Only you Marky could get "gay bashing" from my statements
          another effort to tell lies .. but all in vain
          LOL
          You are a funny fucker Marky
          I was only using your statements of homosexual sex acts that you describe,so well,that I have to think you have 1st hand knowledge... thats all
          But thanks for the entire page of cut and paste nonsense we've come to expect from you. Tho I am not suprised at your intimate knowledge of molestation,or some other perversions,its just not me. Seems to be VERY important that you spread this message of hate on a daily basis. Do you really think anyone believes you ?
          I think the truth is a little too close to home for you Marky
          Take another hit off the pipe,and relax. Your gonna have a stroke
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 18, 2010, 07:13:32 AM
          The Downs

          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=n ... Ay8qtXVVNg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=news&cd=3&ved=0CD0QqQIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pressherald.com%2Fnews%2Fn_h_-promoter-plans-scarborough-concerts_2010-11-16.html&ei=SxflTL2II4WfnAfAj-m2DQ&usg=AFQjCNEVa7hyew4I8aE9Km8NAy8qtXVVNg)


          SCARBOROUGH, ME (NEWS CENTER) -- The New Hampshire based company Good Music Productions met with the Scarborough town council Wednesday night in hopes of bringing a series of concerts to Scarborough Downs.

          The area for each event would allow for 15,000 people. Many of the concerns that came from the town council pertained to traffic safety and noise limitations.

          The head of Good Music Productions-Jim Goodwin- told the council that concerts would end around 11:00 pm. Goodwin asked the council for a preliminary permit that would allow his company to begin bidding for upcoming concerts. Without the permit, Goodwin said that he can't go after larger bands.

          The council voted nine-to-one in favor of the permit. Council members were hesitant about allowing more than one concert at this time, but they were excited about the business it would bring to Scarborough's shops, restaurants, and lodging.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 18, 2010, 07:18:29 AM
          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... GNwKMWEreQ (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elanschool.org%2F&ei=sxjlTJyFL4rangeLsKmsDQ&usg=AFQjCNE2M2gGXOvraiDh5aYOGNwKMWEreQ)



          This site is intended for anyone curious about sending a child to the Elan School in Poland, Maine. Children and teens are taken here, isolated, and given a course of "therapy" that consists entirely of degradation and hurting other people.

          Elan victims are utterly brainwashed on a par with the strongest cults. Normal and even exhausted parents or social workers would never associate with (much less ship their child to) Elan if they understood just a few of its current and historic practices. Conditions at Elan are below those of federal prisons, mental health facilities, military and private boot camps, and even comparable therapeutic boarding schools. Elan has a notorious reputation that works to its advantage with understandably desperate caretakers. Elan was once known for its barbaric disciplinary methods--now, Elan insists that the torture is gone, but the sternness and effectiveness of their program is intact.

          Everything on this page is sourced when possible. It describes what occurs at Elan every day, even after negative scrutiny resulting from the 2002 Moxley murder case.

          Reasons You Should Not Support The Elan School:

          Elan's Discredited Method Of Attack Therapy:
           
              
          "As the residents surged over the scuffed linoleum of the dining room, knocking over metal chairs, Kim curled into a ball. 'You fucking bitch, fucking whore, fucking fuck-up!' Kim was enduring a 'learning experience' ...

          '[We] were whipped into a mob,' says Arnold ... 'It was brainwashing. People like Kim were gonna be junkies or hookers if we didn't make hem get their shit together.' Arnold soon added her voice to the eardrum-breaking sound of 100 young adults caught up in the adrenaline rush of anger. To an outsider, it must have looked like madness, a Lord of the Flies outpost with castaways who were regularly dressed in tinfoil, diapers, and 'hooker' skirts. Some had signs around their necks that read: I'M AN EMOTIONAL VAMPIRE or ASK ME WHY I'M A BABY or CONFRONT ME AS TO WHY I'M A WHORE. All were red with rage. 'Kim,' Arnold recalls, 'was semi-catatonic.'"

          From Details Magazine, November 2001.

              
           
              
          "Roughly 150 students pay about $44,000 a year to attend the school, which still practices a controversial behavioral modification program that relies on shouting sessions, long hours in a corner and sometimes even boxing matches to rid unruly teenagers of their anti-social mind-sets. At Elan, smiling without permission can lead to a session of cleaning urinals with a toothbrush that can last for hours."

          From The New York Times, June 2, 2002.

              
           
              
          "We were told we had to partake in an act called 'getting our feelings off.'  This consisted of us yelling, swearing at and degrading our fellow students ... when another student got their feelings off for you, you had to just sit still and not move a muscle because the slightest movement would suggest you were 'reacting.' I remember being called such names as 'psycho,' 'bitch,' 'asshole,' 'hospital case,' 'freak,' 'disgusting,' 'stupid,' 'crazy,' etc.  I was told things like 'I fucking hate your guts,' 'I hope you fucking die,' 'stay the fuck away from me,' 'I don't fucking like you,' 'fuck off,' etc.  I was called more derogatory names, but this is just to give you an idea of what is systematically done.

          If we did not 'get your feelings off' we were punished and told that we were never going to change ... if we retorted back with anything, we were sent to scrub floors, toilets, sink, showers, sometimes whole rooms as a form of discipline for hours on end.  We were taught that not getting our feelings off was wrong and a punishable offense.  I still hear the screams of my fellow students throughout the day at times.

          People who disobeyed the rules were treated poorly. A girl who was in my dorm decided to kiss another guy [ed: an extremely rare occurrence, since no opposite-sex contact was permitted].  There was no sexual relationship and nothing more than a kiss. She was told she was going to end up just like her mother because of it--her mother was found dead on the side of the road in Georgia a few months prior. The girl was considered a whore by the whole house.  The staff had convinced us of this by telling us that was what she was. She was then made to clean trashcans, toilets, bathrooms...just about everything, while the rest were told to relax. If you were considered 'shotdown' (moved to the lowest position in the program), you had no privileges at all."

          Jessica Charnov (2004-07) testimony, 2009.

              
           
              
          "Deviation from expectations will lead to heavy verbal confrontation ... Elan is not for the faint hearted. While the atmosphere is highly confrontive, most of the confrontation comes from peers ... humiliation is stated clearly as a therapeutic tool.

          It is the responsibility of the higher level students to be the first line of stopping runaways, and intervening in other negative behaviors, a job they seem to do quite effectively. This is even to the extent of having a student sentry on duty all night every night (in shifts)."

          From Woodbury Reports, June 1992. This report, from a trade industry magazine, comes from one of the few friendly tours given of Elan. A 2007 report from the same organization simply didn't mention these practices, which have since become more controversial (illegal, as in the case of New York and other states pulling publicly funded children from the program), and which are the sole component of Elan "therapy." Most of the other components ("bustling offices") mentioned on the tour were only operated for show and have never existed in practice.

              
           
              
          "Elan functioned as a separate society with its own dictionary of terms.  A 'general meeting' was called after a resident failed to comply with program requirements. At this meeting everyone in the house gathered together and verbally assaulted the person. If this resident did not voluntarily submit to this verbal assault from peers, he or she was then forcibly dragged before the group.

          At these meetings it was represented that 'anything goes,' and the use of obscene, degrading and vile language was condoned.  Sometimes the posse mentality of these meetings reached a crescendo and the residents charged at the subject, striking, kicking and throwing things. One resident reported that he once had trouble pushing his way into the group to get close enough to personally attack the subject, and was afraid that he might be disciplined for not enthusiastically participating in this disciplining procedure."
          Description of the Elan program from Duck in a Raincoat (1991), a biography of its founder.

              
           
              
          "I went through months of living in corners in dissociative states of mind, self-harm, extreme emotional and physical abuses. Things from 30 people at a time screaming in my face and spitting on me to being placed in restraints, to being placed in the boxing ring to fight against other peers as disciplinary measures. I went through extreme humiliation and degradation ... I am 37 years old and there is rarely a day that goes by that I don't have flashbacks or go through some kind of emotional turmoil due to the abuses I suffered during my stay in the 'program.'"

          Testimony from "Jackie," c. 2006.

              
           
              
          "Elan School has group sessions that take place to force the students to scream at each other ... once a student in Elan School 'deserves' to leave the corner, they are then put in front of the dining room to get screamed at by four other students at a time and then 'confrontation' takes place to admit their misdoings.

          Every day at Elan I would suffer from serious nightmares due to the staff giving deep confrontation in regards of my childhood. They would try to force out stuff I did not want to remember. As result I ended up suffering critically, I was not able to make it through the Navy after Elan (I was never part of the war) and they honorably discharged me with a personality disorder diagnosis."

          Tayro Knight (2002-05) testimony, 2009. Note the heavy use of euphemisms, a hallmark of Elan and the cults it descended from.

              
           
              
          "The trouble with tough love is twofold. First, the underlying philosophy -- that pain produces growth -- lends itself to abuse of power. Second, and more important, toughness doesn't begin to address the real problem. Troubled teenagers aren't usually 'spoiled brats' who 'just need to be taught respect.' Like me, they most often go wrong because they hurt, not because they don't want to do the right thing ... a surprisingly large number are sent away in the midst of a parental divorce; others are enrolled for depression or other serious mental illnesses. Many have lengthy histories of trauma and abuse. The last thing such kids need is another experience of powerlessness, humiliation and pain.

          For one thing, longitudinal studies find that most kids, even amongst the most troubled, eventually grow out of bad behavior, so the magic of time can be mistaken for the magic of treatment. Second,the experience of being emotionally terrorized can produce compliance that looks like real change, at least initially."

          Read the article by Maia Szalavitz, author of troubled teen industry book Help At Any Cost (2006).

              
           
          Elan's Irresponsible Medical & Marketing Guidelines:
           
              
          The ultimate, stated goal of Elan's program is (once a student has spent years abusing others) "graduation." It's easy to see Elan has an interest in delaying the process.

          Contrary to what Elan's marketing materials imply, less than 10% of residents graduate. Less than 10% of residents complete the program in the "average time" of 24 months or earlier.

              
           
              
          In late 2004, the National Institutes of Health released a "state of the science" consensus statement, concluding that "get tough" treatments "do not work and there is some evidence that they may make the problem worse." At Elan, survivors leave with post-traumatic stress disorder and exacerbations of their original problems.

          Find the report here.

              
           
              
          "The bigger picture suggests that tough love tends to backfire. My recent interviews confirm the findings of more formal studies. The Justice Department has released reports comparing [Elan style programs] with traditional correctional facilities for juvenile offenders, concluding in 2001 that neither facility 'is more effective in reducing recidivism' ... Unfortunately, in the world of teen behavioral programs, there are no specific educational or professional requirements.  Anyone can claim to be an expert."

          Read the article by Maia Szalavitz, author of troubled teen industry book Help At Any Cost (2006).

              
           
              
          "Kiriaki Vlahopouliotis, 23 ... said she still has not told her mother details of her time at Elan. 'It will only make her feel worse,' she said. 'There's no horseback rides, there's no skiing. There's scrubbing toilets and floors all day. My parents had no idea when they sent me that in two years they'd only see me three times or that I'd get to talk to them 15 minutes once a week, if I got my telephone privileges.'"

          From The New York Times, June 2, 2002. There was no humor in the Elan facility, except when staff would joke that "this wasn't in the brochure!" They famously described their program to educational consultants with stock photos of vacation spots. Needless to say, none of what was shown to them existed.

              
           
              
          "The student to staff ratio at many times is about 1:40. The children could clearly take over at any time which is why a strong level of brainwashing will occur when your child steps foot in the door."

          Survivor narrative, homepage of Elan School blogspot, 2010. The administrative and program staff are generally longtime employees, with failed careers elsewhere. Elan has trouble filling new positions (plenty of horrified new hires lasted for one day) and keeps suspicious of outsiders to the company. Having sufficient qualified staff on duty would negatively affect Elan's profit margins as well.

              
           
              
          Even though Elan had over 100 students, many of whom were referred there for mental health reasons, only one psychologist is on staff. His job is to speak with new parents, not to monitor children or the program itself.

              
           
              
          "For 31 years, Elan--which remains open to 184 residents at $44,596 a year for a two-year program--has been among the most controversial of the nation's residential therapeutic communities. Though the school no longer employs such Draconian methods, its administrators claim that the behavior modification they practiced was the only effective way to salvage delinquents. The approach--tearing down destructive character traits through relentless peer pressure."

          From Details Magazine, November 2001.

              
           
          Elan's Bizarre & Notorious History:
           
              
          Joe Ricci's Elan is well-known even throughout the residential treatment industry as one of the few direct descendants of Synanon, a defunct cult that--seriously--pioneered the use of North Korean brainwashing techniques to control its members.

          Found in Mother Jones magazine, October 2007 and in Details Magazine, November 2001.

              
           
              
          "[Joe] made me feel really worthless, you know, like I was an absolute nothing. He came in and I was called up along with a girl named Nancy, and another girl named Marie, two guys named Ray, and Johnny, and another kid named Sean. So when Joe Ricci came in to the house we were all sitting down around a table, and he announced:  'We have some cancer in this house,  and any good surgeon knows the best way to get rid of cancer is to cut it out, before it spreads.'

          Then he called all of us up in front of the house, and asked everybody else if they had any feelings for us, so we all got screamed at. Then they put us in the boxing ring, you know. Then at the end of the meeting, Joe Ricci says, 'Now we're gonna put you upstairs in one of the rooms.' It was [6'x10'] and they boarded up the windows, boarded up the door and locked it. And [Joe] said, 'whatever goes on in there goes on.' It was in July ... I know it was in July, because it was my 16th birthday the next day ... it was horrible. Six of us all stuck in there together."

          Testimony from "Stephen," in the Joe Ricci biography Duck in a Raincoat (1991). All six students were subsequently raped while locked in the room on Stephen's birthday and over the course of several weeks. Joe Ricci founded Elan in 1978 and ran its day-to-day operations in a similar fashion until his death in 2001. His wife owns the property today.

              
           
              
          A girl was raped while on one of many outings with Joe Ricci. Although Ricci was not implicated, he demanded that she recant her story after the police found her bruised a day later. Formerly the "highest ranking" student, she refused, and was subjected to verbal abuse and months of isolation before escaping.

          Sharon McCarthy-Wittwer (1984-86) testimony, 2010.

              
           
              
          "In many ways, Elan embodies the contradictions of its founder, Mr. Ricci, a recovering addict, a horse track owner and a two-time candidate for governor, whose antics kept the local news media busy for years.

          Elan did at least one thing well: it made money. With profits from the school, Mr. Ricci bought a run-down harness-racing track in Portland, Me., called Scarborough Downs. Through the years, his behavior became increasingly erratic. He gave an expletive-laced tirade against a Maine harness-racing official over the Scarborough Downs public-address system. He was sued three times for sexual harassment, once for threatening to kill a female employee. He lost one case and settled the other two."

          From The New York Times, June 2, 2002.

              
           
          Elan Is Falling Apart:
           
              
          "I recently received a phone call from a local contractor who I have done business with over the years. He was called by Elan to evaluate/repair a variety of problems throughout the complex. He could not believe the condition of the facility, explaining its rundown condition and comparing it to a shantytown ... I learned that the Poland complex need for repair exceeds the value of the property. This, coupled with a score of existing liens from suppliers and contractors seeking payment, has the Poland property stalled in court. The real estate industry calls this type of property a white elephant.

          This has already affected the resident population as parents who visit expect better conditions for their 50K. It was trendy to get well in log cabins in the 1970s, but not in the '00s when you market yourself as a private school for college-bound kids. Factor into this the incredibly bad press Elan has absorbed of late, and there you have a real mess.

          I expect a slow demise for the Elan School. The gross mismanagement of the facility on a business level has them ankle deep in red ink. I predict that Elan will slowly gear down toward a scheduled date to close. The current owners will liquidate everything and retire."

          "John," responding to discussions about the frequent power outages at Elan's isolated facility, posted this on a forum in 2003. Visitors to the Elan property will have no difficulty verifying this for themselves.

              
           
          Elan Schooling Is A Joke:
           
              
          Why have large states, including Massachusetts, Illinois and New York, issued dramatic and condemning reports before quickly pulling their wards from Elan, while Maine continues to allow Elan to operate?

          "While New York conducted a surprise inspection, it is the policy of Maine's education department to let schools know when state officials are going to conduct a visit, said Edwin 'Buzz' Kastuck, whose responsibilities within the department include school approval."

          From the Portland Press Herald, March 25, 2007. Is Elan an accredited private school? Not really. It belongs to NATSAP, which is simply known as the last resort, pay-to-enter trade organization that accepts programs refused certification everywhere else. NATSAP offers its official seal, but contrary to what's implied does not offer accreditation, licensing or regulatory compliance reviews.

              
           
              
          "The school curriculum is fabulous for an unmotivated child. With no tests, exams, or projects it couldn't be better. When parents receive news that their child (who was once possibly failing in school) is now getting great marks, they could only think that Elan is doing something right. That is one of the tactics Elan uses to deceive parents and school boards but ultimately rob that child of a real education."

          Testimony on HEAL Online from an anonymous survivor.

              
           
              
          "School was the easiest school I had ever been to, you had no homework except in a study hall on Fridays ... unfortunately, the lack of good school makes life difficult when you get out because the classes, since they switch every 5 months and 2 in the summer, did not have enough time to cover whole subjects like biology, chemistry and math. We would end the classes only knowing the most basic material. I myself had to be held back because I was only given 1 math course and no language my entire stay."

          Nick Schwamb (2007-09) testimony, 2009.

              
           
              
          "School is skipped when a student is in the corner. The reasoning behind that is because they state that it is a 'privilege' to go to school."

          Tayro Knight (2002-05) testimony, 2009.

              
           
          Elan's Reckless Use Of Isolation & Physiological Torture:
           
              
          "At night a student stays awake to guard the dorms of his or her gender. Every ten minutes for eight hours a night a 'bed check' is conducted. Each student has their sheets lifted up and a flashlight is shone on the student's body to make sure they don't have any hidden clothing to take with them in the event that they try to run away. Could you imagine having your sheets pulled up every ten minutes for eight hours every night for years? Can you imagine that students are expected, who are in positions of responsibility, to stay up all night and be a 'night guard' and look under their fellow residents' sheets, utterly invading their privacy and human rights? And if you fall asleep as a 'night guard' you could be punished and be made to scrub the floors and have your shoelaces taken away."

          This excerpt comes from the Elan School Class Action Facebook group.

              
           
              
          "Sometimes people would be stuck in the corners for weeks or months on end. If you tried to 'sign out' at 18 years old they would wait for days and sometimes weeks and wouldn't let you leave until they put you through hell.

          I didn't feel safe and taken care of if I had gotten sick. If I felt sick I was not allowed to stay in sick--the staff wouldn't let you go to bed unless you were violently vomiting. Many people had to run on 3-5 hours sometimes because the staff wouldn't let them go to sleep after 'taking an SP' or something because they 'needed them on the floor.'

          We mostly didn't go outside all week except for gym for one hour on Tuesdays. If the staff thought that the house did really well we may have been able to go out for a couple of hours on Sunday."

          Nick Schwamb (2007-09) testimony, 2009.

              
           
              
          It is a 12+ step process to ask for permission to use the bathroom (which students are not allowed to do alone). This usually takes several hours, and the request is often written up as an "incident," or disciplinary infraction, for being viewed by staff or "higher up" students as a complaint or interruption.

          Read about the process in detail here.

              
           
              
          "Some accounts by recent graduates suggest that little has changed at Elan since Mr. Skakel attended in 1978. Tatiana Karam, 21, who attended Elan from 1996 to 1998, said she witnessed three or four boxing sessions, or 'rings' as they are known, and said she saw a student placed in a corner in plastic restraints for so long that she became malnourished and was sent to the hospital. Ms. Karam said that phone calls to her parents, who spent more than $100,000 on her schooling, were monitored and that the students who accurately described life at Elan were punished for being 'manipulative.' But Ms. Karam, the Northeastern student, said: 'Not a day goes by that I don't think about it. I'll never forgive them for what they did.'"

          From The New York Times, June 2, 2002.

              
           
              
          "The girl's name was Kim. She was 17. Moments before, she'd been spanked with a paddle in front of the 100 fellow delinquents and drug addicts--more than two thirds of them men--who made up the student body of the Elan School, a therapeutic community of last resort that, during its seventies heyday, may have been something far from therapeutic."

          From Details Magazine, November 2001.

              
           
              
          "'The Corner', which is really a term for being put into isolation, is used to take a child who is not conforming with Elan out of the population. Another student is then placed with them as a 'support person.' This support person could be subject to the other student acting out, which could involve attempts at self-mutilation, being spat on, sworn at, screamed at, exposed to the student's genitals, exposed to them masturbating, among other lewd acts. The support person may be expected to physically restrain the acting out student. Sometimes the support person had to hold other students down on the floor and have plastic restraints put on the student so his or her hands were tied behind their back. If the support person may take their eyes off this other student in 'the corner,' and he or she decides to self-mutilate and succeeds, then the support person will be stripped of his or her position of responsibility and made to scrub floors for a time of two to three days. Can you believe that this is allowed to go on? A fifteen year old child being forced into this responsibility if they want to succeed in Elan?

          Sometimes this student who is acting out could be in the corner for over a month--spending their days facing the corner of a wall and sleeping on a dingy mattress on the floor. This student could spend a month acting crazy like this and then stop and come out of the corner only to be put right back in because he or she starts acting out again. Usually there was at least one student in the corner for the two-year period I was there. Also that child who is acting out does so because he or she is standing up for themselves, albeit it is in a damaging fashion, but that is how a person may cope when being forced to stay in a place like Elan."

          This excerpt comes from the Elan School Class Action Facebook group. The corner is typically used as a disciplinary punishment, not because a student is involved in physical violence.  It can be used as a holding area if there are no staff available or for an extended period of time to "break" a student.  Students are subjected to a general meeting before they can leave the corner.

              
           
              
          "Every day in Elan School there was unpaid labor, if a student was in trouble, they would be forced to get on their knees and scrub the floor. If a student in Elan School did something physical, major or minor; they are tackled by another student and then restrained."

          Tayro Knight (2002-05) testimony, 2009.

              
           
              
          Everyone imprisoned at Elan developed physical problems. By the mid-2000s, anywhere from 30-90% of the students developed temporary or permanent Osgood-Schlatter disease, a debilitating knee condition. Students in lower hierarchy positions would spend months at a time (years in total) scrubbing the linoleum floors on their knees with a dirty sponge for 2 to 12 hours per day. The one nurse on staff never bothered to report this epidemic to anyone. Who knows how teenagers uncovered diseases, carpal tunnel or arthritis during their time there?

              
           
          Elan's Practices Are Being Outlawed By Congress: Republicans & Democrats Have Joined To Close Elan As Of 2010
           
              
          Outside observers find Elan's practices so repulsive that a bill was passed in 2009 by a bipartisan majority of legislators, and given the designation "H.R. 911" to reflect its extraordinary importance. After several years of false starts in the House and over 20 years of the "behavior modification" industry operating in obscurity, the Stop Child Abuse in Residential Programs for Teens Act is expected to pass the Senate by the end of its 2010 session.

          Though Elan represents only a small part of the 10,000+ children industry, Elan will be in violation of every requirement included in the final bill, such as;

          "Acts of physical or mental abuse designed to humiliate, degrade, or undermine a child's self-respect ... disciplinary techniques or other practices that involve the withholding of essential food, water, clothing, shelter, or medical care ... shall be prohibited."
          This specifically pertains to the forced ritual screaming and aggressive, arbitrary discipline that constitute the entirety of Elan's "treatment" program.
          "Each child at such a program shall have reasonable access to a telephone, and be informed of their right to such access, for making and receiving phone calls with as much privacy as possible, and shall have access to the appropriate state or local child abuse reporting hotline number."
          Elan students regularly spend 4-6 months before making the first of their 15-minute weekly calls to parents. Calls and letters are always monitored and severe punishment is given for disparaging statements. No outside contact with anyone besides immediate family is allowed for the 1-4 years students spend at Elan. And why don't Elan students have access to child abuse hotlines already?
          "Full disclosure of staff qualifications and their roles and responsibilities ... not later than 10 days after such changes ... an individual shall be ineligible to serve in a position with any contact with children at a covered program if any such record check reveals a felony conviction for child abuse or neglect, spousal abuse, a crime against children (including child pornography), or a crime involving violence, including rape, sexual assault ..."
          Elan is anything but transparent when providing information to families and authorities that request it. Most current and former Elan employees are "reformed" from prior criminal backgrounds.
          "Child abuse and neglect shall be prohibited."
          How has Elan escaped major criminal penalties for so long? As a private and supposedly quasi-medical institution acting in loco parentis, it was much harder to convict the program of breaking child abuse standards that would apply to parents or individuals. With the complete lack of scientific evidence supporting Elan's "therapy," it won't be long after H.R. 911 passes until the program is shut down--forcibly or by its owners.
          You can read H.R. 911 here.

              
           
          Stay away from Elan or your child will be irreparably hurt!

          Resources for parents, therapists and counselors: A START / CAICA / GAO

          Resources for survivors: CAFETY / anti-Elan Tumblr

          Contact: [email protected], last updated 08/31/10. Please note that the articles and testimonies on this site have been slightly edited for length, emphasis and grammar.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
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          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
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          School Notes Overview:
          Founded in 1970, Elan School continues to be independently owned and operated. The program is based on the principle that behavior cannot be changed by simply eliminating negative actions. The adolescent must not only stop antisocial acts but must also learn a new way of doing things. Elan is a closely knit, highly structured community that simulates society. Students living the house are in charge of its operation under the supervision of direct-care staff members. There is a job hierarchy designed to instill self-respect and teach personal responsibility, honesty, consideration for others, self-control, and patience....
          ...read more
          School Overview:
              
          Elan School
          School Membership(s)   Other school association(s)
          Religious Affiliation    Nonsectarian
          Grades Offered    Grades 8 - 12
          Programs for Learning Differences   Yes
          Learning Differences Supported    mild to moderate learning difficulties
          Year Founded    1970
          County    Androscoggin County, ME
          Student Body
          Total Students    39 students
          Student Body Type    Co-ed
          This School
          (ME) School Avg.
          % Students of Color    5%    5%
          Students by Grade
          Grade 9 - 1 students
          Grade 10 - 3 students
          Grade 11 - 9 students
          Grade 12 - 26 students
          Academics and Faculty
          Total Classroom Teachers    10 teachers
          Average Class Size    8
          Advanced Courses
          Organic Chemistry    Chemistry
          Classroom dress code   Casual
          (dress guidelines)
          This School
          (ME) School Avg.
          Teacher : Student Ratio    1:4   * Ntl. Public School Avg. » 1:16
          School Days in Calendar Year    226 days   175 days
          Hours in School Day for Students    5 hours    6 hours
          Finances and Admission
          Admission Deadline   None / Rolling
          Yearly Tuition Cost    $54,961
          Tuition Notes    Daily rate: $150.58 Tuition: $21,490.88 based on 226 days Supportive Services: $19,172.72 based on 365 days Board and Care: $14,295.74 based on 365 days
          Acceptance Rate    90%
          Head of School    Sharon Terry, Executive Dir.
          Admissions Director    Connie Kimball X122
          Sport
          Total Sports Offered   7
              
          Sports
          Basketball   Cross Country
          Indoor Soccer   Soccer
          Swimming   Track and Field
          Volley Ball   
          School Notes:
          A work ethic is stressed throughout the Elan program and each promotion results in new privileges and increased status. If students fail to perform with initiative, they participate in additional group and individual sessions. If this is not successful, they are demoted; this teaches them to function under adversity and to deal with failure, disappointment, and disagreement. They learn that occasional failure is part of life, that they can start again and succeed and that the development of resilience is fundamental to success. Peer pressure and support teaches and reinforces constructive behavior. Students learn that they must earn what they want and that they must give to receive.
          The peer-oriented social structure is vital to the Elan concept. Students learn to take direction, accept criticism without taking it personally, criticize constructively, give orders reasonably and care for and work with others. They also learn that self-esteem is not purely dependent on the acceptance of others. Students make significant improvements in interpersonal relations at Elan.
          Psychodynamic problems are dealt with at Elan, usually in group sessions. The exercises teach sensitivity to the needs and problems of others and foster getting in touch with feelings, understanding what touches off feelings and controlling the acts engendered by them. Elan brings acting-out behavior into dynamic group sessions, where the goals are getting along with peers and learning how to deal with inner stresses and strains.
          Elan is licensed by the Maine Department of Education as a special-purpose, private school. Elan is a member of National Association of Therapeutic Schools and Massachusetts Association of Approved Private Schools and it is approved by Immigration and Naturalization Services. Elan has received academic accreditation and therapeutic certification through NIPSA (National Independent Private School Association).
          Elan students planning to continue their education in postsecondary schools are challenged through upper-level courses, while those who need intensive remediation are helped to acquire skills necessary to cope in the working world, as well as open doors to postsecondary education and training. Elan follows State of Maine credit requirements for granting high school diplomas. Students follow a block schedule in which they take three courses per semester and earn 1 full credit in each subject. A student may earn up to 6 credits during the regular school year plus the required studies in life skills and physical education. Foreign languages are offered but are not required. Students are provided the opportunity to work in independent study programs under faculty supervision to augment their course of studies, if needed. Elan's curriculum reflects the needs of the student body and the expertise of its faculty members. School during evening hours allows students to work through behaviors that interfere with concentration and learning during the day; students thereby arrive in class better prepared to focus.
          Class size is kept small (maximum 12 students, optimum 10 students), and students are grouped by ability and course requirements. Supervised study halls and weekly grades help eliminate end-of-quarter "surprises." The passing grade is 65 and honors grades are recognized by the entire School. Each quarter, the student receives written comments from each teacher as well as numerical grades. Elan's program also includes an eight-week summer session featuring remedial work, enhancement courses and electives. Students earn a half credit in each of the two subjects taken during summer school. Eligible students can attend college courses on and off campus.
          Faculty members at Elan are certified in their subject specialty and/or special education. A full-time Special Education Coordinator and two Certified Wilson Tutors are also on staff. Elan is a closed SAT testing site and offers an SAT prep course. Seventy-five percent of high schol graduates continue their education. The remainder may enter the workforce or join the armed services, but several of these students have long-range goals that include furthering their education.
          Students perform all daily activities in a co-ed environment; however, they sleep in single sex dormitories. The house is self-contained and is set up to simulate a real home with a kitchen, dining room, and living room with a big screen television with surround sound. Meals are prepared in the main kitchen at Elan by two chefs and are served family style to the students. Dormitory rooms may have from 2 to 8 students. The School operates year-round and all students live on campus, even during major holidays. Academic classes are not held during standard public school vacation times.
          Elan has an on-site medical clinic where routine medical care is provided. Elan's Medical Director is a practicing emergency physician with more than twenty years' experience, He is routinely on-site, treating students one day a week, or more often when needed. He performs initial physical exams, which include a lab workup, for all new admissions. He reviews the previous week's activities and is always available for telephone consultation. Elan's medical assistant handles day-to-day health problems in consultation with the physician when necessary. If specialty care is required and cannot wait for a home visit, treatment is conducted at a local specialist's office.
          Elan currently has girls' and boys' cross-country, boys' and girls' basketball and boys' and girls' track teams all of which compete against other area private and public schools
          The School's location on Upper Range Pond affords a waterfront program of leisure swimming (supervised by a qualified lifeguard) and canoeing. In recreational activities, Elan stresses teamwork and sportsmanship. Healthy peer interaction, a cornerstone of the program, is a goal in athletics as well as in all other aspects of the program.
          Movies are shown every week. Concerts, festivals, local fairs, exhibits, sporting events and trips out to dinner, the movies, art museums, planetariums, aquariums and the theater are organized regularly for students who have earned the privilege. Most entertainment trips are to Portland, where professional hockey, basketball and baseball teams are among the attractions. Other trips may be to attend amusement parks or places of historical or cultural interest. Trips to various state parks are organized during the summer months. In addition to the regular recreational trips, house trips include canoeing, white-water rafting, snow tubing, roller skating, and bowling. Elan students participate in an annual campuswide talent show. Students showcase their creative side by playing musical instruments, performing comedy skits or variety acts, singing, reading poetry, or participating in other performing arts. Students also participate in an annual "End of Summer" field day. Students are awarded tickets that are redeemed for various events, such as lawn bowling, a sherpa walk (which is part of the ropes course), a beanbag toss, a dunk tank, and other fun-filled activities.
          Weekday schedules begin at 8 with showers, cleaning dorm rooms, and breakfast; from 10 to 4:30 is a rotation of job functioning, physical education, group and individual sessions, and other events necessary to maintain balanced structure. Lunch is at noon, dinner is at 4:30, and school is from 6 to 10:30 p.m. Students return to their dorm rooms around 11 p.m.; lights-out is half an hour after students return to their dorm rooms.
          Elan is a demanding place. Students are busy weekdays with group sessions, house functioning, and school. Elan recognizes the need for change of pace, so weekends and holidays are less structured. Students may sleep until 11 a.m. and have brunch at 1 p.m. The rest of the day is usually spent in recreational activities.
          Profile last updated: 08/05/2010
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 18, 2010, 08:36:07 AM
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          ? Previous revision Revision as of 05:13, 20 February 2010 Line 1: Line 1: '''Elan School''' is a private, residential [[behavior modification]] program and [[therapeutic boarding school]] (beginning with 9th grade and extending beyond high school completion) in [[Poland, Maine|Poland]], [[Androscoggin County, Maine|Androscoggin County]], [[Maine]]. '''Elan School''' is a private, residential [[behavior modification]] program and [[therapeutic boarding school]] (beginning with 9th grade and extending beyond high school completion) in [[Poland, Maine|Poland]], [[Androscoggin County, Maine|Androscoggin County]], [[Maine]]. - Elan School was founded in 1970 by psychiatrist Gerald Davidson and Joseph Ricci. It specializes in helping teenagers with behavioral problems. Students attend year-round.<ref name=basic>[http://web.archive.org/web/20070101223153/http://www.state.me.us/education/Elan+Report90302+Final.htm Basic School Approval Report Pertaining to the Elan School], Maine Department of Education, September 3, 2002; archived by archive.org on January 1, 2007</ref> As of 2007, there were about 95 students enrolled. + Elan School was founded in 1970 by psychiatrist Gerald Davidson and Joseph Ricci. It specializes in helping teenagers with behavioral problems. Students attend year-round.<ref name=basic>[http://web.archive.org/web/20070101223153/http://www.state.me.us/education/Elan+Report90302+Final.htm Basic School Approval Report Pertaining to the Elan School], Maine Department of Education, September 3, 2002; archived by archive.org on January 1, 2007</ref> As of 2007, there were about 95 students enrolled. <ref name=NewYork>Kevin Wack, [http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/news/state/070325elan.html New York seeks change at Elan School], ''Maine Sunday Telegram'', March 25, 2007</ref> The school is located on a {{convert|33|acre|ha|adj=on}} [[campus]].<ref name=NewYork/> The school's treatment methods are based on the "TC" or [[therapeutic community]] modality popularized in the 1950s at facilities such as [[Synanon]], and later at [[Daytop Village]]. {{Citation needed|date=February 2010}} The school's treatment methods are based on the "TC" or [[therapeutic community]] modality popularized in the 1950s at facilities such as [[Synanon]], and later at [[Daytop Village]]. {{Citation needed|date=February 2010}}   +   + The school achieved some notoriety during the 1990s when former classmates of [[Michael Skakel]], who had attended Elan in the 1970s, testified against him in his [[trial]] for an unsolved [[murder]] that had occurred about two years before he enrolled at Elan. <ref name="Miscarriage">[http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200301/kennedy-skakel/5 A Miscarriage of Justice: Reform-School Witnesses], ''The Atlantic'', January/February 2003</ref>   +   + ==Controversy==   + Throughout its history the school has been faced with numerous allegations of student mistreatment.   +   + In 1975, Illinois state officials pulled 11 children out of the Elan program, charging that they had been mistreated. <ref name=Wack>[http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/news/state/070325elan.html?sort=ASC New York seeks change at Elan School], By Kevin Wack, ''Portland Press Herald'' and ''Maine Sunday Telegram'', March 25, 2007</ref>   +   + In 2002 during the trial of Michael Skakel witnesses testified that they were subject to beatings and public humiliation were parts of life at Elan during those years.<ref name=Wack/> In trial testimony, former students also described the practice of placing a student in a "boxing ring" surrounded by classmates who confronted the student. <ref>Associated Press, [http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_72071.html Possible motive surfaces in murder trial], May 18, 2002</ref><ref>[http://marthamoxley.com/news/07032Kbg.htm Moxley case puts school's methods on trial], undated article on MarthaMoxley.com webstie, attributed to Brian MacQuarrie and A.J. Higgins of the ''Boston Globe'', retrieved November 15, 2009</ref>   +   + In 2007 New York education officials raised questions about the mistreatment, alleging in a letter to the school and Maine education officials that Elan students are physically restraining their peers and being [[deprived of sleep]]. The allegations prompted the state of New York to threaten to withdraw tuition money for taxpayer-funded students. The school's lawyer said that virtually all of the New York allegations are false.<ref name=Wack/> ==Notable alumni== ==Notable alumni==   + * [[Michael Skakel]]<ref name="Miscarriage"/> * [[Ben Weasel]] * [[Ben Weasel]] Line 15: Line 27: * [http://www.elanalum.com/ Elan School Alumni] * [http://www.elanalum.com/ Elan School Alumni] * [http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives/1992/6/visit01.html Elan School Visit Report], by Tom Croke, ''Struggling Teens'', June 1992 * [http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives/1992/6/visit01.html Elan School Visit Report], by Tom Croke, ''Struggling Teens'', June 1992   + * David Gurliacci, [http://web.archive.org/web/20020611063807/http://www.portland.com/news/state/020531elan.shtml Ex-students at Skakel trial describe Elan as 'horrific'], ''Portland Press Herald'', May 31, 2002 {{coord|44|1|15|N|70|39|0|W|type:city_region:US-ME|display=title}} {{coord|44|1|15|N|70|39|0|W|type:city_region:US-ME|display=title}}
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 18, 2010, 08:49:22 AM
          pretty funny mark
          1st you harrass others
          tell a bunch of lies
          then return to flooding the board with you google skills
          which btw are lacking
          is this an effort to cover your tracks? make you look like a concerned citizen?
          you are a fraud marky
          everyone knows it
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 18, 2010, 08:50:04 AM
          pretty funny mark
          1st you harrass others
          tell a bunch of lies
          then return to flooding the board with you google skills
          which btw are lacking
          is this an effort to cover your tracks? make you look like a concerned citizen?
          you are a fraud marky
          everyone knows it
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 18, 2010, 10:01:19 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          pretty funny mark
          1st you harrass others
          tell a bunch of lies
          then return to flooding the board with you google skills
          which btw are lacking
          is this an effort to cover your tracks? make you look like a concerned citizen?
          you are a fraud marky
          everyone knows it


          So mad your double clicking,   :notworthy:  :notworthy:  Oh Web God  :notworthy:  :notworthy:


          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          by liarsexposed » Today, 14:49

          pretty funny mark
          1st you harrass others
          tell a bunch of lies
          then return to flooding the board with you google skills
          which btw are lacking
          is this an effort to cover your tracks? make you look like a concerned citizen?
          you are a fraud marky
          everyone knows it
          liarsexposed
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          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          by liarsexposed » Today, 14:50

          pretty funny mark
          1st you harrass others
          tell a bunch of lies
          then return to flooding the board with you google skills
          which btw are lacking
          is this an effort to cover your tracks? make you look like a concerned citizen?
          you are a fraud marky
          everyone knows it
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 18, 2010, 12:50:58 PM
          Poor Poor Pitiful Pathetic Marky
          Here is the attention you requested TrollboY
          Are you all better now?.. You got to spread your bile again today. Another day of victimizing others
          Are you seeing a Shrink for this disorder ? Is this normal behavior for a 50 yr old,unemployed tax cheat ?
          To me,and most everyone else,you sound more like a pre-teen adolescent throwing a regular temper tantrum
          Its fitting tho
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 18, 2010, 01:12:53 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Poor Poor Pitiful Pathetic Marky
          Here is the attention you requested TrollboY
          Are you all better now?.. You got to spread your bile again today. Another day of victimizing others
          Are you seeing a Shrink for this disorder ? Is this normal behavior for a 50 yr old,unemployed tax cheat ?
          To me,and most everyone else,you sound more like a pre-teen adolescent throwing a regular temper tantrum
          Its fitting tho

          Your a very sick nasty man, who won't stop stalking me and slandering me, and trying to steal my identity.
           
          That being said,  your off topic again Art, tell us about your admissions here on site.
          Tell us how you dominated young girls in your horrible dark past, you have admitted to here.
          Tell us about all of your great strives, and accomplishments in life and the abuses of others.
          Tell us how proud you were, to be staff at Elan, and bow to the Great Pan Face,and clean up behind Gottlibe,and who ever else spat in your path, ::puke::  ::puke::  with all your power over others.
          Tell all of your exposures here on the site and others.
          Tell all of the great Farty.
          Please Tell, Tell, Tell, Oh Great Arty.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 18, 2010, 02:56:33 PM
          Oh Marky
          You dont need anyone to slander you. You have doen that yourself. If you are that mad about your own rantings,why would you publish that
          There was never anything impropper between Sharon and I. We were friends. I liked her alot.
          I cant help but think that your infatuation with anal sex toys,and the descriptions of how to use them,would make you so mad today.
          After all... You wrote it.. Numorous times.. Under your own name,and your many other screen names
          You do this every time  you are caught
          You cry.. You whine for days
          We just laugh at you
          I think you should sue me marky.. Fill out a police report and I will see you at the courthouse
          Who knows.. You might even get to stay and enjoy the accomodations
          Me slander you .LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
          you fucked in the head boy
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 18, 2010, 07:32:59 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Oh Marky
          You dont need anyone to slander you. You have doen that yourself. If you are that mad about your own rantings,why would you publish that
          There was never anything impropper between Sharon and I. We were friends. I liked her alot.
          I cant help but think that your infatuation with anal sex toys,and the descriptions of how to use them,would make you so mad today.
          After all... You wrote it.. Numorous times.. Under your own name,and your many other screen names
          You do this every time  you are caught
          You cry.. You whine for days
          We just laugh at you
          I think you should sue me marky.. Fill out a police report and I will see you at the courthouse
          Who knows.. You might even get to stay and enjoy the accomodations
          Me slander you .LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
          you fucked in the head boy


          Why do you keep stalking me, and slandering me, and trying to steal my identity, Art ??
          Why do your keep threatening me,??
          Are you mad because, I am for more successful than you, and live in a much bigger house.??
          That I have a summer new home 5 times the size of your shack,??
          Is it my Corvette that upset's you,??
          Or the 5 rental properties I own,??
          Yes Art, I have allot more than you could ever own in life, including a life.
          It bothers you that I don't have to physically work every day, doesn't it ?
          Because I put things in place for my future, and you didn't, make you ashamed, don't it,??
          Should I keep going, Facts are Facts, and yes I have more, and you have less, living in the shit pit of Lake County you stand and brag. :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          I can also be a pompis ass like you Art, But I have things to back me up you don't.
          And that just kills you inside, because you do know it's true, and you know were I live, and your friend knows of my properties. So there is no story here. I live in the big house, and you live in the small house, I have the 3 car garage and you have no garage, My house is paid off and your's is not.

          Man you don't look so big now,and you know everything above is true, just drive down Forest Ave, you know the house. Honk, I will wave from the upper deck in front viewing the lake. Or the back deck viewing the other side of the lake. :rocker:  :rocker:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 18, 2010, 09:41:50 PM
          Marky Marky Marky
          I heard once that envy is ignorance,that imitation is suicide
          Perhaps you should take that short drive off that long bridge. You arent even being honest and forthright in your bragging. But then.. show me a Liar,Cheat,or a Thief who is.
          Marky I dont know where you live,and could care less.I dont care what you drive. I am not a High School kid and that stuff means very little to me.
          You couldnt back up a whore, against the wall, with a 50 taped to your dick.
          You are foul,and distgusting. You are a trainwreck.. and thats why people read your vile posts. You are the racecar that crashes every day. We simply HAVE to look.
          Steal your identity ? Thats a good one Marky. Who the fuck would want to be you  ?
          A Corvette ? LOL I was driving one of those when I was in my 20's pal. Is that your Penile Extension ? 50 something little man that hurls, lies and insults at people on the net. Talks shit about people you dont even know. Hides yourself by using phoney screen names ? Here's a newsflash for you.. You arent half as smart as you think you are,or you wouldnt be in this mess in the first place,and you certainly arent half the Man you think you are,because grown ups dont do this either. Take your ball and go to your baZillion dollar home. I dont wish to play with you any more. Its not nice to pick on the Retarded
          Take your accusations,and slander and shove it up your ass. With your descriptions of anal sex toys,I bet it ALL fits.
          PLEASE call your local Sherrif's office and file a complaint against me. Seemed to work pretty well for me
          nite nite
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 18, 2010, 10:13:17 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Marky Marky Marky
          I heard once that envy is ignorance,that imitation is suicide
          Perhaps you should take that short drive off that long bridge. You arent even being honest and forthright in your bragging. But then.. show me a Liar,Cheat,or a Thief who is.
          Marky I dont know where you live,and could care less.I dont care what you drive. I am not a High School kid and that stuff means very little to me.
          You couldnt back up a whore, against the wall, with a 50 taped to your dick.
          You are foul,and distgusting. You are a trainwreck.. and thats why people read your vile posts. You are the racecar that crashes every day. We simply HAVE to look.
          Steal your identity ? Thats a good one Marky. Who the fuck would want to be you  ?
          A Corvette ? LOL I was driving one of those when I was in my 20's pal. Is that your Penile Extension ? 50 something little man that hurls, lies and insults at people on the net. Talks shit about people you dont even know. Hides yourself by using phoney screen names ? Here's a newsflash for you.. You arent half as smart as you think you are,or you wouldnt be in this mess in the first place,and you certainly arent half the Man you think you are,because grown ups dont do this either. Take your ball and go to your baZillion dollar home. I dont wish to play with you any more. Its not nice to pick on the Retarded
          Take your accusations,and slander and shove it up your ass. With your descriptions of anal sex toys,I bet it ALL fits.
          PLEASE call your local Sherrif's office and file a complaint against me. Seemed to work pretty well for me
          nite nite

          Your a small nasty, crude man,with too much hate. And so much bull-shit,so quit stalking me and threatening me,and trying to steal my identity.Quit slandering me,your a fraud.And you were in Elan in your 20s, busted again. :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 19, 2010, 07:01:15 AM
          Hey Farty, I found someone with kind words about you, years ago.


          by Guest » 27 Apr 2006, 15:17

          Good word has it artman really took it serious. Art used to cry like a little school boy who got his toys taken away from him when he got gm's.
          He also recived a ring once and was knocked the fuck out after 10 seconds. He also cried, and refused to go into the ring, some say he might of even wet his panties.
          You know all about wearing panties, dont you art?
          Thats right, an anonynmous former staff member said that artie here was issued an LE to wear womens panties on his head for acting like a little bitch. How that feel artie? Too bad that would have been the only closes thing to pussy you would ever get. :lol:
          I have a strong feeling, to this day art prefers to wear womens panties ontop of his head. He is so fucked in the head from birth, and his condition only gets worse throughout life. Sound familar artman? You know it does....


          And you haven't changed a bit, I am going to tell.stop making fun of me, and laughing at me.I am the Boss.
          Sounds just like you,??  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:

          Why do you keep stalking me, and slandering me, and trying to steal my identity, Art ??
          Why do your keep threatening me,??
          Are you mad because, I am for more successful than you, and live in a much bigger house.??
          That I have a summer new home 5 times the size of your shack,??
          Is it my Corvette that upset's you,??
          Or the 5 rental properties I own,??
          Yes Art, I have allot more than you could ever own in life, including a life.
          It bothers you that I don't have to physically work every day, doesn't it ?
          Because I put things in place for my future, and you didn't, make you ashamed, don't it,??


          You never answered the questions above, like usual.Stay on topic. :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 19, 2010, 07:37:21 AM
          How sad
          I bet it took a long time to find that post that you created years ago. Whats even worse is this is all you got.
          Lies,BS and whining about the big bad Art
          Marky... Take your meds. We can see how damaged you are,but I dont think it was from Elan. If it was,it would be your fault that you havent gotten better in 30 plus years.
          How boring you have become. Same lies,same place,same illness @ 50 something yrs old.
          BTW I was a resident at Elan when I was 15
          Who's busted ?
          LOL
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 19, 2010, 07:42:59 AM
          More words from Farty's Fan-club here on Fornits


          Vote off Artman
          by Guest » 29 Aug 2005, 20:47
          On 2005-08-29 08:56:00, artman11111 wrote:
          "Fecal Boy
          You should call the cops on me ... Thats the right thing to do... Took a little break from work to read more of your sexual and fecal fantasies.I have to say ... your slipping..
          Was gonna share your insanity with my co-workers.After all,Your imaginationand wild fantasies are funny.As are your temper tantrums.
          The very idea that i coulds be a child molester is over the top... but i think you should call the cops,fbi and turn me in

          It will be several hours till i get back to read and laugh at you some more but i didnt want to leave without telling you to go fuck yourself..

          Invite still stands for you and you alone... COCKSUCKER.. Does that clear it up for ya >?/"


          Well it looks like the artman is really devoted lots o his time now these days on the account of people exposing him for what he truly is. Funny how artman mentions "tantrums" because that is exactly what he is having here. What else I think is funny is how much artman dedicates himself to the reporter. Didn't you say something to the effect artman that you dislike the reporter and didnt care for his material he writes?
          Looks like artman is being made out to be a huge asshole now :exclaim: But don't stop now artman cause I just made you aware, your stupidity really amuses us all. Please continue with your tantrums child molester, my 10 year old finds it very amusing.
          I have one small request though, Art do you think it is possible you could post a picture of yourself, I think it would help in aiding to get more laughs out of you if we could place a face with your tantrums.



          by Guest » 30 Aug 2005, 00:09

          On 2005-08-29 15:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
          Well I'm glad to hear that Arthurs A.W (Asswiper) is here with us. Fucking with us huh? Boy he should fooled me with all those tantrums he replied with. Lets see here, Art has hardly any friends here except Syn, so Syn is this you who I am conversing with? I don't know what you see in Arthur, he is a 12 step LOSER that has no life whatsoever.Somw even call him asexual predator, but I think I'll wait until the Judge makes it official.
          So either you are Syn or its none other then Arthur "Muddy River Kool Aid" Wartshitski trying to make it look like he has friends


          Vote off Artman
          by Guest » 30 Aug 2005, 14:02

          " Think how many people the trolls here have fukd with."

          Your tellin ME!! Finally someone said it! This site is so fukd up! I come here to reunite with peeps from Elan and have to put up with a bunch of crap. On top of that, this "artman" guy starts PMing me and after I told him how young I was he keeps saying that he wants me to get down on my knees underneath his desk!!!!! WTF???? What's with this pervert? Why won't he leave me ALONE????? :scared:



          Vote off Artman
          by Guest » 14 Oct 2005, 12:39

          On 2005-10-13 22:34:00, Anonymous wrote:

          "Hey-

          What happened to voting Art off??? He really needs to go.
          Literally.
          He's so old he needs to just die already."
          This site wouldn't be the same without Arthur. We need arthur, he is plays an important role here at fornits. He and his invisible friends that come for tea service.


          Vote off Artman
          by The Elan Reporter » 28 Aug 2005, 23:32

          I think Artie should be banned from this site.

          1) He keeps flooding the site, Ginger said that is against the boards policies.

          2) He is a sexual predator and that is very very against the law.

          He has my vote to be banned from this site.



          Vote off Artman
          by The Elan Reporter » 28 Aug 2005, 23:44
          On 2005-08-28 15:39:00, artman11111 wrote:
          "Am I buggin you ... Dont mean to bug ya
          Bono"
          NOT BUGGIN ME, YOU MAKE ME SICK!

          People like you should spend a back to back life term in prison for being a sexual predator, because that is exactly what you are and the D.A. will mark you as.


           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: Folks just love you Farty. :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:




          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
           by liarsexposed » 3 minutes ago

          How sad
          I bet it took a long time to find that post that you created years ago. Whats even worse is this is all you got.
          Lies,BS and whining about the big bad Art
          Marky... Take your meds. We can see how damaged you are,but I dont think it was from Elan. If it was,it would be your fault that you havent gotten better in 30 plus years.
          How boring you have become. Same lies,same place,same illness @ 50 something yrs old.
          BTW I was a resident at Elan when I was 15
          Who's busted ?
          LOL


          Actually the post are easy to find, they are all right here were you put them,Your busted again. :beat:  :beat:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 19, 2010, 08:35:33 AM
          How sad
          Its been my experience that those who brag about themselves are the ones who feel the worst about themselves.
          Maybe one day,you too can join the human race and stop this nonsense. Do you really think I,or anyone else is impressed with your lies ?
          Its a pretty sad day when you have been reduced to this
          Even I had more respect for you than that
          Really is too bad
          I hope you get better one day
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 19, 2010, 08:44:22 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          How sad
          Its been my experience that those who brag about themselves are the ones who feel the worst about themselves.
          Maybe one day,you too can join the human race and stop this nonsense. Do you really think I,or anyone else is impressed with your lies ?
          Its a pretty sad day when you have been reduced to this
          Even I had more respect for you than that
          Really is too bad
          I hope you get better one day


          You had more respect for me, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  you have never shown an ounce of respect or courtesy,even when I expressed kindness's and courtesy to you, you slapped it back in my face.So tell another lie Art. I have stood up for you, and you attacked me, over and over again. :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 19, 2010, 11:25:00 AM
          Gee marky.. I musta missed that
          Was that post of yours in between the anal sex adventure,or was that after you harrassed my "son" ?
          Perhaps it was just before you accused me of writing some commentary in the newspaper article
          Gee its hard to say with your 1000 posts of harrassment and bile
          You may like people in your life who are criminally insane.. I choose to not have anyone in my life like that. Which would have to include you.
          You are caustic,and perhaps the sickest individual I have encountered in my 46 years
          Did you think I woudl just forgive and forget. Bye gones be bye gones ?
          You are fucked in the head dude...as is evident by your years of harrassment and other assorted crimes
          Marky.. Dont be a asswipe all your life
          Take 1 day off a week..
          you'll feel better
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2010, 08:05:12 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Gee marky.. I musta missed that
          Was that post of yours in between the anal sex adventure,or was that after you harrassed my "son" ?
          Perhaps it was just before you accused me of writing some commentary in the newspaper article
          Gee its hard to say with your 1000 posts of harrassment and bile
          You may like people in your life who are criminally insane.. I choose to not have anyone in my life like that. Which would have to include you.
          You are caustic,and perhaps the sickest individual I have encountered in my 46 years
          Did you think I woudl just forgive and forget. Bye gones be bye gones ?
          You are fucked in the head dude...as is evident by your years of harrassment and other assorted crimes
          Marky.. Dont be a asswipe all your life
          Take 1 day off a week..
          you'll feel better


          Go Fuck Yourself Arty :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  Your A Fraud and Are Busted Again
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2010, 08:08:57 AM
          Tell you what, Arty, lets see if you can go one month without insulting people or attacking them. If you can maintain a civil back and forth with me and others for an extended period of time then I will consider being nice to you. I am patient so if you screw up we will just reset the clock and wait as long as it takes for you to get through it.Ok,? :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 20, 2010, 02:24:08 PM
          Marky and your screen names
          I really dont think you "get it". There will be no deals. I dont care to do anything back and forth with the likes of you. In fact,I dont even care to participate,or be a part of this cesspool of a community. The only reason I am here is to defend myself against the likes of you,and your apparrent mental illness
          I will however say this
          You shut the FUCK up,and I go away. Its just that simple. This however,does not preclude me from the criminal case I am pursueing. Should the States Attorney decide not to pursue,and you are still acting out. I will be left with little choice but to pursue you in Civil court.
          Believe me,dont believe me. It matters very litte. You are a cancer that has been infecting  this forum since I 1st came here over 10 yrs ago. You have nothing new to offer that I have seen. In fact,it appears as your illness has progressed 10 fold.
          If you have any common sense at all,you will heed the warning and shut the fuck up. I have done exactly what I said I would, in my first communication, to your partner on FB. I am all done playing this game with you Marky.
          Make no mistake Marky. My family used to be in the car business. You know what they do now. They fully support me,and would love the opportunity to watch you attempt to defend what is undefendable.
          Thats how that shit works
          I really do hope you get better
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 20, 2010, 07:35:58 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Marky and your screen names
          I really dont think you "get it". There will be no deals. I dont care to do anything back and forth with the likes of you. In fact,I dont even care to participate,or be a part of this cesspool of a community. The only reason I am here is to defend myself against the likes of you,and your apparrent mental illness
          I will however say this
          You shut the FUCK up,and I go away. Its just that simple. This however,does not preclude me from the criminal case I am pursueing. Should the States Attorney decide not to pursue,and you are still acting out. I will be left with little choice but to pursue you in Civil court.
          Believe me,dont believe me. It matters very litte. You are a cancer that has been infecting  this forum since I 1st came here over 10 yrs ago. You have nothing new to offer that I have seen. In fact,it appears as your illness has progressed 10 fold.
          If you have any common sense at all,you will heed the warning and shut the fuck up. I have done exactly what I said I would, in my first communication, to your partner on FB. I am all done playing this game with you Marky.
          Make no mistake Marky. My family used to be in the car business. You know what they do now. They fully support me,and would love the opportunity to watch you attempt to defend what is undefendable.
          Thats how that shit works
          I really do hope you get better

          I will preserve this post for your family in the car business and the State Attorney, I am sure there advice is to threaten and boast your next moves. You are an ass. Civil Court, I can't wait ,you fraud.10 years ago,?? I would like to see you prove that lie. Apparently the State has told you your nut's, thats why you bring that up,  Civil Court as your option.But remember if you loose in Civil Court you will pay me, and after your record online with so many others, Get you nickel and dimes together, hope your family as you pointed out,will pay for your losses,again.



          Tell you what, Arty, lets see if you can go one month without insulting people or attacking them. If you can maintain a civil back and forth with me and others for an extended period of time then I will consider being nice to you. I am patient so if you screw up we will just reset the clock and wait as long as it takes for you to get through it.Ok,? It a good option for you. ask your family if it's ok.


          Nice try, Arty, you improved today but you have still been insulting (with attacks). So the clock will reset tomorrow, if you can maintain a civil conversation and show you can handle conversation and debate without insulting people then we will begin your challenge tomorrow.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 20, 2010, 10:36:07 PM
          Marky and your screen names
          I really dont think you "get it". There will be no deals. I dont care to do anything back and forth with the likes of you. In fact,I dont even care to participate,or be a part of this cesspool of a community. The only reason I am here is to defend myself against the likes of you,and your apparrent mental illness
           
          Mark
          My next move ? You know nothing. I would be willing to guess that anyone with half a brain,could see what you have done,and the path it will take to correct it. The States Attorney has not said they wouldnt take the case,tho with the sheer amount of crimes,and the frequency of them,it could take some time to make an educated decision whether to pursue this or not. I counted 9 Screen Names and I am sure you have more than that.
          I have already have plenty of evidence. You really shouldnt be so cocky. But dont let me stop you.
          Remember,if I lose,I may have to pay your court costs. If I win,I may be living in one of your "mansions". Maybe driving your Corvette. I have never been a burdon to my family. They simply love me,and we stick together. Thats what family is supposed to do Marky. You probably dont understand that concept.
          You have an illness,and you should be seen by a doctor.You could probably claim mental defect. You are one fucked up little man
          I have never threatened you. I have only told the truth... Repeatedly. You could save the State,and or myself alot of money if you would just kill yourself. But if you cant. Try shutting the fuck up. You are an ignorant,big mouthed,bully.
          You are only making a bigger ass outa yourself
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 20, 2010, 10:49:35 PM
          Quote from: liarsexposed
          Marky and your screen names
          I really dont think you "get it". There will be no deals. I dont care to do anything back and forth with the likes of you. In fact,I dont even care to participate,or be a part of this cesspool of a community. The only reason I am here is to defend myself against the likes of you,and your apparrent mental illness
           
          Mark
          My next move ? You know nothing. I would be willing to guess that anyone with half a brain,could see what you have done,and the path it will take to correct it. The States Attorney has not said they wouldnt take the case,tho with the sheer amount of crimes,and the frequency of them,it could take some time to make an educated decision whether to pursue this or not. I counted 9 Screen Names and I am sure you have more than that.
          I have already have plenty of evidence. You really shouldnt be so cocky. But dont let me stop you.
          Remember,if I lose,I may have to pay your court costs. If I win,I may be living in one of your "mansions". Maybe driving your Corvette. I have never been a burdon to my family. They simply love me,and we stick together. Thats what family is supposed to do Marky. You probably dont understand that concept.
          You have an illness,and you should be seen by a doctor.You could probably claim mental defect. You are one fucked up little man
          I have never threatened you. I have only told the truth... Repeatedly.


          Nice try, Arty,  but you have still been insulting (with attacks). So the clock will reset tomorrow, if you can maintain a civil conversation and show you can handle conversation and debate without insulting people then we will begin your challenge tomorrow.You seem to have a huge problem with threatening people,and dilutions of getting things you will never have.I dont think threatening to own someones house or car is the way to win a case in court, but I am sure from your great wealth, you know whats best.I am sure you know that everything I own is in a ,LLC. But your so smart you know that already,So good luck in your threats, and demands and wishes for my Death. I still think we can work out a good relationship if ,you just stay on topic and be nicer,. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:


          I have maintained consistently that if you can be civil for 30 days then we will talk about your problems. I dont want to enter into a discussion with someone who is not willing to have a balanced discussion understanding and respecting each others point of view.


          P.S. I have gotten were I am at on my own, and yes my family loves me.But I dont go to  them for anything but Sunday dinner, For some reason yours, let you waller in the junk yard and live in a shack, Are you being punished still, for you abusive behavior,???  Try shutting the fuck up. You are an ignorant,big oathed,bully.
          You are only making a bigger ass outa yourself.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2010, 11:02:12 PM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Marky and your screen names
          I really dont think you "get it". There will be no deals. I dont care to do anything back and forth with the likes of you. In fact,I dont even care to participate,or be a part of this cesspool of a community. The only reason I am here is to defend myself against the likes of you,and your apparrent mental illness
           
          Mark
          My next move ? You know nothing. I would be willing to guess that anyone with half a brain,could see what you have done,and the path it will take to correct it. The States Attorney has not said they wouldnt take the case,tho with the sheer amount of crimes,and the frequency of them,it could take some time to make an educated decision whether to pursue this or not. I counted 9 Screen Names and I am sure you have more than that.
          I have already have plenty of evidence. You really shouldnt be so cocky. But dont let me stop you.
          Remember,if I lose,I may have to pay your court costs. If I win,I may be living in one of your "mansions". Maybe driving your Corvette. I have never been a burdon to my family. They simply love me,and we stick together. Thats what family is supposed to do Marky. You probably dont understand that concept.
          You have an illness,and you should be seen by a doctor.You could probably claim mental defect. You are one fucked up little man
          I have never threatened you. I have only told the truth... Repeatedly.


          Nice try, Arty,  but you have still been insulting (with attacks). So the clock will reset tomorrow, if you can maintain a civil conversation and show you can handle conversation and debate without insulting people then we will begin your challenge tomorrow.You seem to have a huge problem with threatening people,and dilutions of getting things you will never have.I dont think threatening to own someones house or car is the way to win a case in court, but I am sure from your great wealth, you know whats best.I am sure you know that everything I own is in a ,LLC. But your so smart you know that already,So good luck in your threats, and demands and wishes for my Death. I still think we can work out a good relationship if ,you just stay on topic and be nicer,. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:


          P.S. I have gotten were I am at on my own, and yes my family loves me.But I dont go to  them for anything but Sunday dinner, For some reason yours, let you waller in the junk yard and live in a shack, Are you being punished still, for you abusive behavior,???  Try shutting the fuck up. You are an ignorant,big oathed,bully.
          You are only making a bigger ass outa yourself.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 21, 2010, 11:41:39 AM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Marky and your screen names
          I really dont think you "get it". There will be no deals. I dont care to do anything back and forth with the likes of you. In fact,I dont even care to participate,or be a part of this cesspool of a community. The only reason I am here is to defend myself against the likes of you,and your apparrent mental illness
           
          Mark
          My next move ? You know nothing. I would be willing to guess that anyone with half a brain,could see what you have done,and the path it will take to correct it. The States Attorney has not said they wouldnt take the case,tho with the sheer amount of crimes,and the frequency of them,it could take some time to make an educated decision whether to pursue this or not. I counted 9 Screen Names and I am sure you have more than that.
          I have already have plenty of evidence. You really shouldnt be so cocky. But dont let me stop you.
          Remember,if I lose,I may have to pay your court costs. If I win,I may be living in one of your "mansions". Maybe driving your Corvette. I have never been a burdon to my family. They simply love me,and we stick together. Thats what family is supposed to do Marky. You probably dont understand that concept.
          You have an illness,and you should be seen by a doctor.You could probably claim mental defect. You are one fucked up little man
          I have never threatened you. I have only told the truth... Repeatedly.


          Nice try, Arty,  but you have still been insulting (with attacks). So the clock will reset tomorrow, if you can maintain a civil conversation and show you can handle conversation and debate without insulting people then we will begin your challenge tomorrow.You seem to have a huge problem with threatening people,and dilutions of getting things you will never have.I dont think threatening to own someones house or car is the way to win a case in court, but I am sure from your great wealth, you know whats best.I am sure you know that everything I own is in a ,LLC. But your so smart you know that already,So good luck in your threats, and demands and wishes for my Death. I still think we can work out a good relationship if ,you just stay on topic and be nicer,. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:


          I have maintained consistently that if you can be civil for 30 days then we will talk about your problems. I dont want to enter into a discussion with someone who is not willing to have a balanced discussion understanding and respecting each others point of view.


          P.S. I have gotten were I am at on my own, and yes my family loves me.But I dont go to  them for anything but Sunday dinner, For some reason yours, let you waller in the junk yard and live in a shack, Are you being punished still, for you abusive behavior,???  Try shutting the fuck up. You are an ignorant,big oathed,bully.
          You are only making a bigger ass outa yourself.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 22, 2010, 06:31:14 AM
          I dont want to enter into a discussion with someone who is not willing to have a balanced discussion understanding and respecting each others point of view.
          LOL
          You should be doing Stand up Marky
          You lied,you stole,you invaded my privacy and you stole my identity. What could you possibly want to talk about ?
          Wait....Dont answer that.. I am not interested
          Thats the truth,you know it,I know it,Sharon knows it,Ginger knows it,as does Psy and anyone else who has seen you in action
          Huh Gary ?
          Grow up Marky
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 22, 2010, 08:46:49 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          I dont want to enter into a discussion with someone who is not willing to have a balanced discussion understanding and respecting each others point of view.
          LOL
          You should be doing Stand up Marky
          You lied,you stole,you invaded my privacy and you stole my identity. What could you possibly want to talk about ?
          Wait....Dont answer that.. I am not interested
          Thats the truth,you know it,I know it,Sharon knows it,Ginger knows it,as does Psy and anyone else who has seen you in action
          Huh Gary ?
          Grow up Marky


          I have maintained consistently that if you can't be civil for 30 days then we will not talk about your problems. I dont want to enter into a discussion with someone who is not willing to have a balanced discussion understanding and respecting each others point of view.You need to loosen up, and quit being so nasty.You have lied,you have stole,you have invaded my privacy and you have tried to steal my identity,You were Staff at one of the most abusive programs in the U.S., and I am still big enough to reach out with help for you.We know you carry heavy guilt for your past abuses of others, but you can still work threw it.I will start the clock for you now as a favor, and a step in the right direction for you. :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 22, 2010, 11:10:45 AM
          Mark
          I didnt do any of these things.
          Take your "clock" and shove it up your ass. Am not interested in any kind of "making right" with you. You are sick,and disturbed. One lie after another and every day
          Take your ball and go home. Its not gonna happen till you take responsibility for the things you have said and done
          Then and only them will the playing field be leveled,but I will never be interested in a conversation with you
          I have no criminally insane people in my life,and Its not by accident.
          My role as a staffperson was when I was 17-18 yrs old. I have made my amends. You are only using this to further your slander and chaos
          In fact,I dont think you give a rats ass whether Elan closes or not. Your interest appears to be only to fuck with others
          So the "Art was a staffperson" BS you can shove up your ass as well
          PLay your little games with someone else
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 22, 2010, 11:37:00 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Mark
          I didnt do any of these things.
          Take your "clock" and shove it up your ass. Am not interested in any kind of "making right" with you. You are sick,and disturbed. One lie after another and every day
          Take your ball and go home. Its not gonna happen till you take responsibility for the things you have said and done
          Then and only them will the playing field be leveled,but I will never be interested in a conversation with you
          I have no criminally insane people in my life,and Its not by accident.
          My role as a staffperson was when I was 17-18 yrs old. I have made my amends. You are only using this to further your slander and chaos
          In fact,I dont think you give a rats ass whether Elan closes or not. Your interest appears to be only to fuck with others
          So the "Art was a staffperson" BS you can shove up your ass as well
          PLay your little games with someone else



          You seem to be very bitter from, and about your past,your writings reflect that point, but we will still help you when your ready. I will start the clock over, not only as a favor , but a good will gesture, I do care if places like Elan close, and also care about people like you getting help and peace for their crimes and abuses. It is ok to admit you had a bad time at 17-18 and regret your actions of abuse, but thats just the start of working threw the pain. You have to quit abusing and being so ugly with folks, And try and put on the" Art " Happy Face    :clown: :birthday:   :clown:..  and be nice.

          Threatening people, and accusing them of things they haven't done, ::poke::,,   won't make the guilt go away, it only fuels :flame:  it and makes you worse, and harder for you to find change and peace :peace:  with yourself, :peace:  :peace:  :peace:,, By the way you lash out, :jawdrop:  :smashcomp:,,  peace is still and can be in your quest. We will all help you " Art " and stand by you as we have for many years. God be with you and have a wonderful Thanks Giving. :peace: Your Friend,  :cheers:  :rocker: :cheers:  :rocker:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 22, 2010, 12:46:45 PM
          interesting psycho babble marky
          did i mention go fuck yourself with the last post
          you are a criminal
          doesnt matter what you post
          you arent even a good liar as of late
          more of a comedian
          could you tell me about gary? how did you arrive At that screen name and why would you attempt to steal my identity,pictures. £hy would you stalk others on several websites
          why would you cfome to my work,and home?
          what about all the horrible things you have lied about,and continue to lie about
          today
          you are very sick
          i pray you get cancer,and wither away
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 22, 2010, 12:47:23 PM
          interesting psycho babble marky
          did i mention go fuck yourself with the last post
          you are a criminal
          doesnt matter what you post
          you arent even a good liar as of late
          more of a comedian
          could you tell me about gary? how did you arrive At that screen name and why would you attempt to steal my identity,pictures. £hy would you stalk others on several websites
          why would you cfome to my work,and home?
          what about all the horrible things you have lied about,and continue to lie about
          today
          you are very sick
          i pray you get cancer,and wither away
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 22, 2010, 08:49:53 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          interesting psycho babble marky
          did i mention go fuck yourself with the last post
          you are a criminal
          doesnt matter what you post
          you arent even a good liar as of late
          more of a comedian
          could you tell me about gary? how did you arrive At that screen name and why would you attempt to steal my identity,pictures. £hy would you stalk others on several websites
          why would you cfome to my work,and home?
          what about all the horrible things you have lied about,and continue to lie about
          today
          you are very sick
          i pray you get cancer,and wither away


          Lets start here then, so far today is going okay. If you start with the insults or attacks we will reset the clock. If you cannot get past a few days over the next week then we will abort the effort.

          I will ignore your double posting and terrible spelling,I know your upset, confrontation is not easy,and very stressful. but you will feel better soon,once all the" Bad Art " :twofinger:  :clown:  is out and gone.It will be kind of like an Exorcism, Your guilt I know is heavy, and you want to blame someone, and I will be here with the rest for you to blame.

          Your a nasty ignorant, foul man now ::puke::  ::puke:: , but you will get better.It will take time, and you will kick your feet :waaaa:  :cry:  :beat:  and threaten  ::poke:: and try and tell on everyone,but we wont abandon you Art.Just try and stay on topic and don't give up.

          PS. The Cancer shot I deserve,I did cum in 8 Balls ass last time, and made a mess in the bed with her, I did leave a check for new sheet's. Sorry :rocker:  :cheers:  I will take her in the back yard on a tarp next time. ::OMG::

          Talk later old new buddy, :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :cheers:  :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 23, 2010, 06:34:07 AM
          Ahh now thats the nasty marky we all know and feel sorry for
          I am not as hi-tech as you are Marky. I posted using my Smartfone,which is definately smarter than me. I wouldnt talk too loud about spelling errors Marky. You are quiet the uneducated,spiteful little fuck.
          I cant imagine being so sick that you would want to drag my g/f into your tantrum. But thats pretty weak too. As if you were in Jr High.. Tho I do believe thats your eductaion level. after all,you did go to Elan.
          Marky ... Shove that clock up your ass with all the sex toys you have posted about. Just hold it there for safe keeping,untill your boyfriend comes home.
          I really want to know about Gary and Joe. Are they your gay sex friends ? Imaginary friends ? LOL
          You really should see someone about your gay sex,and fecal fantasies. Its ok to be a cocksucker. Come out of the closet Marky
          You'll feel better
          Angry? Umm I dont think so. Just watching you make an ass outa yourself,and laughing at you.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 23, 2010, 08:33:01 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Ahh now thats the nasty marky we all know and feel sorry for
          I am not as hi-tech as you are Marky. I posted using my Smartfone,which is definately smarter than me. I wouldnt talk too loud about spelling errors Marky. You are quiet the uneducated,spiteful little fuck.
          I cant imagine being so sick that you would want to drag my g/f into your tantrum. But thats pretty weak too. As if you were in Jr High.. Tho I do believe thats your eductaion level. after all,you did go to Elan.
          Marky ... Shove that clock up your ass with all the sex toys you have posted about. Just hold it there for safe keeping,untill your boyfriend comes home.
          I really want to know about Gary and Joe. Are they your gay sex friends ? Imaginary friends ? LOL
          You really should see someone about your gay sex,and fecal fantasies. Its ok to be a cocksucker. Come out of the closet Marky
          You'll feel better
          Angry? Umm I dont think so. Just watching you make an ass outa yourself,and laughing at you.

          Excellent. So you've committed to not lying for seven days. During which time I will not insult you. Once that's done we can ginally begin the challenge. I'm glad to see you finally man up on this.

          Your making a great start today,and your right your phone is smarter than me, :rofl:  :rofl:
          And yes I am not the best speller ether,See how admitting the truth is easy.Give it a shot, you will be fine.I can see by your eagerness that we are off to a great start.So I will not start the clock over today,hows that for friendship Art, your the best.

          PS. Tell 8 Ball I was just being a little high school for a moment,But I will used the tarp next time, 8 Ball does have weak grippers back there, and a mud slid is alway possible, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rasta:  :rasta:  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on November 23, 2010, 10:13:48 AM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Ahh now thats the nasty marky we all know and feel sorry for
          I am not as hi-tech as you are Marky. I posted using my Smartfone,which is definately smarter than me. I wouldnt talk too loud about spelling errors Marky. You are quiet the uneducated,spiteful little fuck.
          I cant imagine being so sick that you would want to drag my g/f into your tantrum. But thats pretty weak too. As if you were in Jr High.. Tho I do believe thats your eductaion level. after all,you did go to Elan.
          Marky ... Shove that clock up your ass with all the sex toys you have posted about. Just hold it there for safe keeping,untill your boyfriend comes home.
          I really want to know about Gary and Joe. Are they your gay sex friends ? Imaginary friends ? LOL
          You really should see someone about your gay sex,and fecal fantasies. Its ok to be a cocksucker. Come out of the closet Marky
          You'll feel better
          Angry? Umm I dont think so. Just watching you make an ass outa yourself,and laughing at you.

          Excellent. So you've committed to not lying for seven days. During which time I will not insult you. Once that's done we can ginally begin the challenge. I'm glad to see you finally man up on this.

          Your making a great start today,and your right your phone is smarter than me, :rofl:  :rofl:
          And yes I am not the best speller ether,See how admitting the truth is easy.Give it a shot, you will be fine.I can see by your eagerness that we are off to a great start.So I will not start the clock over today,hows that for friendship Art, your the best.

          PS. Tell 8 Ball I was just being a little high school for a moment,But I will used the tarp next time, 8 Ball does have weak grippers back there, and a mud slid is alway possible, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rasta:  :rasta:  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:





           
           
              
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          Post Info   TOPIC: Little boys
          Name: Arthur Warshawsky

          Date: Feb 7, 2006
          Little boys
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          My name is artman and i am an alcoholic, I love watching little boys play on a play ground and often hang out of site pleasuring myself while spying on them. As a child I was sexually abused with a broom handle and didnt discover I was a pedophile until I went into Elan. While in Elan, i broke cardinal rules with other boys in my dorm and performed oral sex with Marty.

          Name: JJ

          Date: Feb 7, 2006
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          How disgusting! You are a foul old man Arthur.

          Name: Anonymous

          Date: Feb 12, 2009
          Reply Quote

          In the event that my name is not removed from this forum. The owner, administrator, and person(s) responsible for this slander, will be dealt with via my attorney
          This will be my only posting to this site. I promise you that I will prosecute to the fullest extent of the new Internet Harrassment Law enacted rectenly

          See your past, and the same threats,?? It's ok your past that now,Just a reminder of how things have been in your life for a long time before, I had the pleasure of meeting you. I will always pull for you Buddy, :cheers:  :cheers:  :peace:  :peace:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 23, 2010, 10:15:02 AM
          Awwee how cute !
          An early morning temper tantrum
          Will you flail your arms and stomp your feet too for us ?
          Sorry for the mess in your mommy's mouth
          Thats probably where you learned to suck cock
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 23, 2010, 10:26:45 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Awwee how cute !
          An early morning temper tantrum
          Will you flail your arms and stomp your feet too for us ?
          Sorry for the mess in your mommy's mouth
          Thats probably where you learned to suck cock


           :cheers:  :cheers:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  You also have a scene of humor,Well at least we are past the threats.You have such a long history of trying to tell on people, your like the boy who "Cried Wolf "'.I bet when you call the Web Police, they transfer you to indefinite hold,Oh it Art again playing in the Land Mine Fields and someone upset him, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :jamin:  :rasta:  :moon:  :moon:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:

          But it's ok, and has all been documented and stored on the web for you,I understand why you have been trying to steal my identity,Yours sucks,but we will work on cleaning you up,and giving you a new identity,you can be proud of.And wont want to tell on people for showing off. :beat:  :beat:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 23, 2010, 11:43:11 AM
          And wont want to tell on people for showing off
          I dont know what this means.. Are you out showing off your cocksucking skills kid ?
          You are nothing BUT a mouth.. You seem obsessed with Anal sex. How fitting.
          Your only weapon... Anal sex stories
          Just like any other 12 yr old
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on November 23, 2010, 04:16:04 PM
          Why don't you 2 take a real long read back through this thread. You guys rent too much space in each others heads, you shoulg just go ahead and get a room together. The sad part is that you would probably get along.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 23, 2010, 04:18:52 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          And wont want to tell on people for showing off
          I dont know what this means.. Are you out showing off your cocksucking skills kid ?
          You are nothing BUT a mouth.. You seem obsessed with Anal sex. How fitting.
          Your only weapon... Anal sex stories
          Just like any other 12 yr old

          Your willingness to move forward is commendable "Art", and I thank you for you thoughts and dialect. Your not quit there yet, but I see you trying to be nicer. And thats a start.
          As far as your fixation on males having sex together, I will also help you work threw that,You have a bigger support group than you give yourself credit. And being fearful of Gay Men is OK,They won't hurt you, and are just like anyone else. So bashing them and grouping me with them is OK.I am not afraid of Gay People nor have any problems inter acting with them, they seem to be like anyone else. But you have a hatred and you need to get it out.It's OK, :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on November 23, 2010, 04:21:57 PM
          Quote from: "Guest"
          Why don't you 2 take a real long read back through this thread. You guys rent too much space in each others heads, you shoulg just go ahead and get a room together. The sad part is that you would probably get along.



          Your Sick,,, ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 23, 2010, 04:29:03 PM
          Quote from: "Farty"
          Quote from: "Guest"
          Why don't you 2 take a real long read back through this thread. You guys rent too much space in each others heads, you shoulg just go ahead and get a room together. The sad part is that you would probably get along.



          Your Sick,,, ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::

          Indeed Marky is a sick fucker.
          All of his postings of anal sex and the toys he uses during anal sex.
          I am really not interested,I like girls
          However,if wants to make an ass out of himself like this daily
          I am ALL about helping him
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on November 23, 2010, 04:30:25 PM
          Quote from: "Farty"
          Quote from: "Guest"
          Why don't you 2 take a real long read back through this thread. You guys rent too much space in each others heads, you shoulg just go ahead and get a room together. The sad part is that you would probably get along.



          Your Sick,,, ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::

          Maybe I am. If for no other reason than I bothered to read any of this blather!!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on November 23, 2010, 04:43:39 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "Farty"
          Quote from: "Guest"
          Why don't you 2 take a real long read back through this thread. You guys rent too much space in each others heads, you shoulg just go ahead and get a room together. The sad part is that you would probably get along.



          Your Sick,,, ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::

          Indeed Marky is a sick fucker.
          All of his postings of anal sex and the toys he uses during anal sex.
          I am really not interested,I like girls
          However,if wants to make an ass out of himself like this daily
          I am ALL about helping him

          And thats right we stick together, :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:




          Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
           by Guest » 10 minutes ago

          :
          Guest wrote:
          Why don't you 2 take a real long read back through this thread. You guys rent too much space in each others heads, you shoulg just go ahead and get a room together. The sad part is that you would probably get along.




          Your Sick,,,          


          Maybe I am. If for no other reason than I bothered to read any of this blather!!

          Then don't read and go Fuck Yourself :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 23, 2010, 05:07:36 PM
          Gee
          I wonder if thats Marky's only friend
          or Marky himself
          This game is old and stale
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 23, 2010, 08:30:38 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Gee
          I wonder if thats Marky's only friend
          or Marky himself
          This game is old and stale


          There you go assuming things again,Stay on topic or the clock will have to be started over.Your doing better, don't give up now Arty. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 24, 2010, 06:14:31 AM
          Still strugglling with the truth Marky ?
          I thought you shoved that clock up your ass for safe keeping ?
          I didnt ASSume anything
          You are a troll,these are the games you play
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 24, 2010, 07:00:49 AM
          Marky = 67.184.189.80

          Garystadler = 67.184.189.80
           
          I guess that little lie is out the window
          Busted again
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 24, 2010, 09:01:36 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Marky = 67.184.189.80

          Garystadler = 67.184.189.80
           
          I guess that little lie is out the window
          Busted again


          Those addresses aren't mine,but good effort, and you thinking you know this,then you should also know I am not everyone you accuse me of. :roflmao:  :roflmao:


          Posting IP addresses is a great path to your court case,you Idiot. :cheers:  :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 24, 2010, 09:42:50 AM
          LOL
          Somehow I knew you'd come out crying
          Eat some turkey,and try not being an asshole
          You would be very suprised,perhaps frightened at what I know
          Too funny
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 24, 2010, 10:16:53 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          LOL
          Somehow I knew you'd come out crying
          Eat some turkey,and try not being an asshole
          You would be very suprised,perhaps frightened at what I know
          Too funny

          You don't seem to smart,and I am starting the clock over ,providing PSY doesn't band you for your crimes on Fornits. Posting IP addresses are Taboo here stupid and Felice payed for it once if you remember. I don't why you would try and steal my identity,but your welcome to it and all that comes with it. :cheers:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 24, 2010, 10:44:52 AM
          You don't seem to smart,and I am starting the clock over ,providing PSY doesn't band you for your crimes on Fornits. Posting IP addresses are Taboo here stupid and Felice payed for it once if you remember. I don't why you would try and steal my identity,but your welcome to it and all that comes with it. :cheers:  :roflmao:[/quote]
          Ok Marky.. I'll bite..  Show me where I stole your ID ? Is this because you created an identity,using my pic,and personal info you stole off fb ?  Thats a crime Marky,and FB will back it up (and has)
          Besides,who would want to be an internet troll ? Thats all you are.
          I guess your Anal Sex adventures arent taboo. Not to mention the dozens of lies daily
          Hey Marky
          Pull that clock outa yer ass,reset it,shove it back in your ass boy
          and I DO MEAN BOY
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on November 24, 2010, 12:18:13 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "Farty"
          Quote from: "Guest"
          Why don't you 2 take a real long read back through this thread. You guys rent too much space in each others heads, you shoulg just go ahead and get a room together. The sad part is that you would probably get along.



          Your Sick,,, ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::

          Indeed Marky is a sick fucker.
          All of his postings of anal sex and the toys he uses during anal sex.
          I am really not interested,I like girls
          However,if wants to make an ass out of himself like this daily
          I am ALL about helping him
          LMAO you call others sick with a mouth like this??? Truly ART you seriously have not grown up at all. It must be hard to sit daily so tormented by your inner thoughts. Seriously twisted stuff you write about. Well have a great Thanksgiving and Happy Holidays.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on November 24, 2010, 12:21:26 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Still strugglling with the truth Marky ?
          I thought you shoved that clock up your ass for safe keeping ?
          I didnt ASSume anything
          You are a troll,these are the games you play
          Mark may from time to time struggle with the truth there ARTY but you struggle daily with reality. Such a sad pathetic life. Do you even have a life there ARTY because daily you spew stupid shit. Everyone sits back laughs at you daily, yes daily...we all got lives and have a blast as you sit tormented like a 3 year old spatting in the wind. You think people actually listen to you??? Muhahahahahaha fucken hilarous thought right there. Lighten up and get the fuck over it. I am tired of you bashing my dearest friend on here. Your sick Art and need help..
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on November 24, 2010, 12:25:01 PM
          I see ole CRAZY JANE is finally gone....wait you mean Fornits finally got smart??? Well obviously not to smart allowing FARTY to put IP addresses on the forums again. WOW noone learns lessons...Oh ARTY there goes your lovely lawsuit you moron....lmao you cannot victimize others and then sue them...lmao lmao lmao your too stupid seriously your case just blew up in your nasty face buddy...I bet your temper finally got the best of you...So tell me did you get all red in the face and piss your pants..lmao lmao roflmao.....get a life dude for real.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on November 24, 2010, 12:40:26 PM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          I dont want to enter into a discussion with someone who is not willing to have a balanced discussion understanding and respecting each others point of view.
          LOL
          You should be doing Stand up Marky
          You lied,you stole,you invaded my privacy and you stole my identity. What could you possibly want to talk about ?
          Wait....Dont answer that.. I am not interested
          Thats the truth,you know it,I know it,Sharon knows it,Ginger knows it,as does Psy and anyone else who has seen you in action
          Huh Gary ?
          Grow up Marky


          I have maintained consistently that if you can't be civil for 30 days then we will not talk about your problems. I dont want to enter into a discussion with someone who is not willing to have a balanced discussion understanding and respecting each others point of view.You need to loosen up, and quit being so nasty.You have lied,you have stole,you have invaded my privacy and you have tried to steal my identity,You were Staff at one of the most abusive programs in the U.S., and I am still big enough to reach out with help for you.We know you carry heavy guilt for your past abuses of others, but you can still work threw it.I will start the clock for you now as a favor, and a step in the right direction for you. :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
          Art do not presume to know what I think buddy. I think your the most craziest fucker alive...end of story. I think Mark is a completely brillant humanbeing and he is my best friend. So, stop your lying for once...now that would be priceless. I am sure Ginger and Mike are way to busy with the Holiday season to give a flying fuck about babysitting you daily ART. So, do me a favor take your own advice eat some Turkey and STFU...Blessed Holidays everyone.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 24, 2010, 01:56:41 PM
          Thats really too bad Sharon
          I am crushed. Will take me... Seconds to get over that.
          You know what they say.. Birds of the same feather
          I knew you couldnt stand the truth,now your acting out just like your Bestie
          2 lying,no good,cheating,caniving fucks seeking attention
          I am shocked
          Have a nice holiday sharon
          Ask Marky to pull the clock out of his ass,reset it,then shove it up his ass again
          Thanks in advance
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 24, 2010, 02:51:58 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Thats really too bad Sharon
          I am crushed. Will take me... Seconds to get over that.
          You know what they say.. Birds of the same feather
          I knew you couldnt stand the truth,now your acting out just like your Bestie
          2 lying,no good,cheating,caniving fucks seeking attention
          I am shocked
          Have a nice holiday sharon
          Ask Marky to pull the clock out of his ass,reset it,then shove it up his ass again
          Thanks in advance

          I know thats not what you mean, so I will reset the Clock,The holidays have you flustered, and depressed,I know,, so it's OK, Buddy, We are still here for you, And will make sure this year you get a nice Hanukkah Gift, but you have to be nicer and not so upset all the time. Sharon has tried to chime in, and wake you up and help pull the Needle out of your arm my dear friend.We are here for you Brother always, :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 24, 2010, 04:09:59 PM
          YAAAAWWWWWWNNNNNNNN
          Liars,cheaters,thieves
          Little girl games
          and some kinda clock stuck in your ass
          Try Prunejuice
          Holidays are a happy time Cockboy. I will be leaving you shortly for some much needed R and R. Denver then Phoenix
          Friends.. You wouldnt understand
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on November 24, 2010, 05:00:36 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          YAAAAWWWWWWNNNNNNNN
          Liars,cheaters,thieves
          Little girl games
          and some kinda clock stuck in your ass
          Try Prunejuice
          Holidays are a happy time Cockboy. I will be leaving you shortly for some much needed R and R. Denver then Phoenix
          Friends.. You wouldnt understand

          Oh you will be around protecting your Identity, :jawdrop:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:,,,, Oh I Am Going To Tell,,,,,,,,,,,,,, :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on November 24, 2010, 05:02:43 PM
          Quote from: "Farty"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          YAAAAWWWWWWNNNNNNNN
          Liars,cheaters,thieves
          Little girl games
          and some kinda clock stuck in your ass
          Try Prunejuice
          Holidays are a happy time Cockboy. I will be leaving you shortly for some much needed R and R. Denver then Phoenix
          Friends.. You wouldnt understand

          Oh you will be around protecting your Identity, :jawdrop:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:,,,, Oh I Am Going To Tell,,,,,,,,,,,,,, :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:


          I Am Going To Tell,,, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          by liarsexposed » Today, 13:00

          Marky = 67.184.189.80

          Garystadler = 67.184.189.80

          I guess that little lie is out the window
          Busted again, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on November 24, 2010, 05:08:40 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          YAAAAWWWWWWNNNNNNNN
          Liars,cheaters,thieves
          Little girl games
          and some kinda clock stuck in your ass
          Try Prunejuice
          Holidays are a happy time Cockboy. I will be leaving you shortly for some much needed R and R. Denver then Phoenix
          Friends.. You wouldnt understand

          Art do you think about Marky's cock allot?   You seem to be infatuated with it!   :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 24, 2010, 07:07:31 PM
          Acting out children
          How usual!
          Havent you had enough drama in your life Sharon ? You are exactly, what everyone who knows you, says about you . I really didnt care to believe them at first. But there are so many that say the same thing.
          Doesnt have to be like that. Marky is a liar,and everyone knows it. He is caught.. period
          50 something emotional cripple,and you... Doing the same thing over and over,expecting different results.
          I think they call that insanity.
          Why would I lie ? The truth is stranger than any fiction I could think of
          Happy Thanksgiving Sharon
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on November 24, 2010, 07:22:47 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Acting out children
          How usual!
          Havent you had enough drama in your life Sharon ? You are exactly, what everyone who knows you, says about you . I really didnt care to believe them at first. But there are so many that say the same thing.
          Doesnt have to be like that. Marky is a liar,and everyone knows it. He is caught.. period
          50 something emotional cripple,and you... Doing the same thing over and over,expecting different results.
          I think they call that insanity.
          Why would I lie ? The truth is stranger than any fiction I could think of
          Happy Thanksgiving Sharon

          Quote
          I really didnt care to believe them at first. But there are so many that say the same thing.


          So many meaning the "voices" in your head?  Art you need professional help in the worse kind of way!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on November 24, 2010, 07:23:40 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Acting out children
          How usual!
          Havent you had enough drama in your life Sharon ? You are exactly, what everyone who knows you, says about you . I really didnt care to believe them at first. But there are so many that say the same thing.
          Doesnt have to be like that. Marky is a liar,and everyone knows it. He is caught.. period
          50 something emotional cripple,and you... Doing the same thing over and over,expecting different results.
          I think they call that insanity.
          Why would I lie ? The truth is stranger than any fiction I could think of
          Happy Thanksgiving Sharon

          Quote
          I really didnt care to believe them at first. But there are so many that say the same thing.


          So many meaning the "voices" in your head?  Art you need professional help in the worse kind of way!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 24, 2010, 07:37:59 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Acting out children
          How usual!
          Havent you had enough drama in your life Sharon ? You are exactly, what everyone who knows you, says about you . I really didnt care to believe them at first. But there are so many that say the same thing.
          Doesnt have to be like that. Marky is a liar,and everyone knows it. He is caught.. period
          50 something emotional cripple,and you... Doing the same thing over and over,expecting different results.
          I think they call that insanity.
          Why would I lie ? The truth is stranger than any fiction I could think of
          Happy Thanksgiving Sharon


          Oh Art you are so full of shit,I will stop the clock for the Holiday Only, I want your mother not to worry about you, Sharon will and, has done just fine in life with out your help, so I am sure she will make it the rest of the way. You poisoned her benefit, and she does know you had something to do with it.She is sure of that fact, you manipulated her sister into talking too much, so you could get her. And thats the facts and she knows them. Art Poisoned, a little kids party after he almost die in a car accident. You sure are a warm one Art. There is a special place in hell for you, But thats being negative. And we are here to help you get past all the sickness. And we will, we have also asked Mike not to banned you for posting IP addresses, and he seemed to agree.Your much more fun here than some other site, abusing people.We own you and love having you to play with,We are all going to steal your identity for Hanukkah, and play Scrooge for the Gentiles. :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl: Love You Art Please Never Go Away, Your busted again. :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  


          P.S. Did you call Bubby and ask her to donate to your legal fund,?? She will just tell you to pull the needle out of your arm. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl: 1-800-Bubby-Help!!!!!!!!!! They are picking on me Sharon won't stop :whip:  :whip:  :whip:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 24, 2010, 08:44:17 PM
          WoW Marky
          thats some serious Paranoia you got going there.
          Its all old Marky.. whats wrong boy ? Run outa material?
          I am deeply concerned about being banned here. I need to read your drivel every day
          It makes me laugh
          As I am sure others are laughing as well
          Nite Marky.. I am done with you .. run along and play with the other kids
          LOL
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on November 24, 2010, 08:49:13 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          WoW Marky
          thats some serious Paranoia you got going there.
          Its all old Marky.. whats wrong boy ? Run outa material?
          I am deeply concerned about being banned here. I need to read your drivel every day
          It makes me laugh
          As I am sure others are laughing as well
          Nite Marky.. I am done with you .. run along and play with the other kids
          LOL


          OK Fuck Face,Give 8 Ball one in the ass for me :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 25, 2010, 06:42:17 AM
          OK Fuck Face,Give 8 Ball one in the ass for me :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:[/quote]
           
          LOL
          Its always about Anal Sex with you 2
          Can you tell us what thats all about ?
          I know Marky has plenty of experience with Ass Sex.
          Can you tell us one of your anal Sex stories Marky ? Maybe you have a new one from last night ?
          Cmon Marky,dont be shy
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 25, 2010, 09:18:31 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          OK Fuck Face,Give 8 Ball one in the ass for me :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

          LOL
          Its always about Anal Sex with you 2
          Can you tell us what thats all about ?
          I know Marky has plenty of experience with Ass Sex.
          Can you tell us one of your anal Sex stories Marky ? Maybe you have a new one from last night ?
          Cmon Marky,dont be shy[/quote]


          And a Happy Thanks Giving to you too Art, It's OK, the clock is stopped for the Holiday,so don't hold back get it out.You will feel better, the Holidays are tough for people like you, and I know the past comes back and rejection is at a high, But you will make it, we are here for you Arty.

          Please never go away, :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace: We love watching you, get  your feelings off here, :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :whip:  :whip:  :whip:  :whip:  :whip:  :whip:  :whip:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 25, 2010, 09:47:44 AM
          Oh Im sorry I made you cry Marky
          Try to enjoy the holiday
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 25, 2010, 10:57:09 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Oh Im sorry I made you cry Marky
          Try to enjoy the holiday

          Thank You Art, and have a great time on Denver and Phoenix St in Wondertucy.


          by liarsexposed » Yesterday, 22:09

          YAAAAWWWWWWNNNNNNNN
          Liars,cheaters,thieves
          Little girl games
          and some kinda clock stuck in your ass
          Try Prunejuice
          Holidays are a happy time Cockboy. I will be leaving you shortly for some much needed R and R. Denver then Phoenix
          Friends.. You wouldnt understand



          Your busted again, :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  but the clocks not running for the Holiday, so all is well, Have fun, and remember, we are alway here for you,So if you have a poor day you can vent on us, Buddy,Pal. :peace:  :peace:  :peace:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on November 25, 2010, 11:13:06 AM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Oh Im sorry I made you cry Marky
          Try to enjoy the holiday

          Thank You Art, and have a great time on Denver and Phoenix St in Wondertucy.


          by liarsexposed » Yesterday, 22:09

          YAAAAWWWWWWNNNNNNNN
          Liars,cheaters,thieves
          Little girl games
          and some kinda clock stuck in your ass
          Try Prunejuice
          Holidays are a happy time Cockboy. I will be leaving you shortly for some much needed R and R. Denver then Phoenix
          Friends.. You wouldnt understand



          Your busted again, :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  but the clocks not running for the Holiday, so all is well, Have fun, and remember, we are alway here for you,So if you have a poor day you can vent on us, Buddy,Pal. :peace:  :peace:  :peace:




          As far as Felice, Burn Her at the stake,  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 25, 2010, 08:57:00 PM
          LOL I wonder where you learned to pretend to be others ? LOL
          Let the hate flow.. I always enjoy watching someone consumed with hate and spewing bile. Its an every day thing for you 2.
          How shameful
          I think someone else is gonna be a little warm,when your time is up LOL. You can hold hands with Babbletits and burn together
          nasty fuckers
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on November 25, 2010, 11:00:32 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          LOL I wonder where you learned to pretend to be others ? LOL
          Let the hate flow.. I always enjoy watching someone consumed with hate and spewing bile. Its an every day thing for you 2.
          How shameful
          I think someone else is gonna be a little warm,when your time is up LOL. You can hold hands with Babbletits and burn together
          nasty fuckers

          Oh your so full of it, :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 26, 2010, 06:07:30 AM
          I am disapointed
          I usually check fornits in the morning over coffee
          I enjoy a good laugh at your expense
          But today you both disapoint me
          No bile.. no nastiness
          Its possible that you could be getting better
           :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:
          Gonna write this day down in my calender
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 26, 2010, 04:11:00 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          I am disapointed
          I usually check fornits in the morning over coffee
          I enjoy a good laugh at your expense
          But today you both disapoint me
          No bile.. no nastiness
          Its possible that you could be getting better
           :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:
          Gonna write this day down in my calender


          Well Holiday is over Clocks back on. I know you will abide by our agreement and not slander or threaten anyone,It's is important in the growing proses, and your recovery.
          We all know there is a happy Art  :clown:  there deep down inside , and we will help you bring that out.
          I thought the Hanukkah gift we offered was, and is very generous and nice, don't you,?? Your family will be so proud your making friends outside the Junk Yard and The Institution,ya know.And we will continue to help you along,. We all know that your in denial, and thats OK,once we are past that, you are on the road to recovery.

          P.S. Your pic on Photo Bucket is very nice,thanks for putting that up, :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :whip:  :whip:  :whip:  :whip: Don't you regret not smashing your computer,?? :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp: We know your getting weak and emotional, but hang in there, and please don't go away. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 26, 2010, 06:43:47 PM
          Well Holiday is over Clocks back on. I know you will abide by our agreement and not slander or threaten anyone,It's is important in the growing proses, and your recovery.
          We all know there is a happy Art  :clown:  there deep down inside , and we will help you bring that out.
          I thought the Hanukkah gift we offered was, and is very generous and nice, don't you,?? Your family will be so proud your making friends outside the Junk Yard and The Institution,ya know.And we will continue to help you along,. We all know that your in denial, and thats OK,once we are past that, you are on the road to recovery.

          Marky
          I may have forgotten in my last post to tell you to go fuck yourself
          "growing proses"
          Can you tell me what this is ?
          If I had to guess,it would be an uneductaed,internet troll,baiting your victim/seeking attention and showing off for the Lovely Sharon
          Now you have had my attention, I am going to dinner.
          Oh and that clock.. shove that up your ass too Marky
          kiss kiss
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 26, 2010, 07:21:43 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Well Holiday is over Clocks back on. I know you will abide by our agreement and not slander or threaten anyone,It's is important in the growing proses, and your recovery.
          We all know there is a happy Art  :clown:  there deep down inside , and we will help you bring that out.
          I thought the Hanukkah gift we offered was, and is very generous and nice, don't you,?? Your family will be so proud your making friends outside the Junk Yard and The Institution,ya know.And we will continue to help you along,. We all know that your in denial, and thats OK,once we are past that, you are on the road to recovery.

          Marky
          I may have forgotten in my last post to tell you to go fuck yourself
          "growing proses"
          Can you tell me what this is ?
          If I had to guess,it would be an uneductaed,internet troll,baiting your victim/seeking attention and showing off for the Lovely Sharon
          Now you have had my attention, I am going to dinner.
          Oh and that clock.. shove that up your ass too Marky
          kiss kiss

          Thanks for the response even though you are  in Denver or some place,so I do appreciate you taking time out to say HI,Have a great dinner and I hope you Choke on it  ::puke::  ::puke:: , Your best friends here at Fornits. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 26, 2010, 08:12:28 PM
          Thats not very nice Marky
          Tsk Tsk Tsk
          Where's the love ?
          I am crushed
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 27, 2010, 07:32:42 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Thats not very nice Marky
          Tsk Tsk Tsk
          Where's the love ?
          I am crushed

          Your right that was rude,and counter productive to your recovery, I lost my head.
          You do have the love of all of us at Fornits, and we are grateful you are here with us Art.
          No one brightens our day like you. :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 27, 2010, 09:50:48 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Well Holiday is over Clocks back on. I know you will abide by our agreement and not slander or threaten anyone,It's is important in the growing proses, and your recovery.
          We all know there is a happy Art  :clown:  there deep down inside , and we will help you bring that out.
          I thought the Hanukkah gift we offered was, and is very generous and nice, don't you,?? Your family will be so proud your making friends outside the Junk Yard and The Institution,ya know.And we will continue to help you along,. We all know that your in denial, and thats OK,once we are past that, you are on the road to recovery.

          Marky
          I may have forgotten in my last post to tell you to go fuck yourself
          "growing proses"
          Can you tell me what this is ?
          If I had to guess,it would be an uneductaed,internet troll,baiting your victim/seeking attention and showing off for the Lovely Sharon
          Now you have had my attention, I am going to dinner.
          Oh and that clock.. shove that up your ass too Marky
          kiss kiss


          This is better than my IP address you posted,Art. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:
          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... C_ibZz_wZw (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=9&sqi=2&ved=0CFIQFjAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fphotobucket.com%2Fimages%2FArt%2520%2520Warshawsky%2F&ei=ZMLxTLP7B8bYngeGz5yxCw&usg=AFQjCNFc12F3q9WYGZMmEKsXC_ibZz_wZw),



           
           
          Elan School Message Board -> Lowlife's and Faggot's -> Artman is back!!!!
          Post Info   TOPIC: Artman is back!!!!
          Anonymous
          Date: Dec 19, 2003
          Artman is back!!!!

          Whats the difference between artman and a pizza?
          A pizza won't scream when you put it in an oven.
          Here about Art's new car he bought over sea's back in his home country?
          Not only will it stop on a dime, but it will go back and pick it up.
          Art is the reason why the Grand canyon was formed, he dropped a quarter down a goffer hole.

          NAZI
          Date: Dec 21, 2003

          Into the phucking oven you will go Art, Nothing better then hearing a Jew burn in an oven LOL

          NAZI
          Date: Dec 21, 2003

          Artman blew a 9 year old boy a couple months back .

          Angle85
          Date: Dec 22, 2003

          Art is a gross looking old man, why wonder he always has a stick up his ass.I'm sure he does molest children, he sounds like a real pervert.

          Anonymous
          Date: Dec 23, 2003

          Art is a very gross looking old man, he also loves shoving matza balls up his anas.Art has also found love in Jordan Eisman and is gonna fufill all sexual fatansies with Jordan.

          shooting star
          Date: Dec 24, 2003

          Artman is such a baby, he cries to Ginger when people insult him.The way I see it art has brought all this upon himself.Now he has found a new home where he can fit in with the rest of the loser and support elan and kiss up to them.


          Funny thing is Artman thinks he has friends and he doesnt, well he has Jordan,All the rest of us hate him and cant stand his cry baby post's.Good thing he is old and will be dead soon, these site's will be alot better when he's gone.



          Anonymous
          Date: Jan 6, 2004

          Don't worry about Artman, he is going down real soon along with Ginger.Artman's ip has been logged for theft of copywrited material.This guy is history.

          Anonymous
          Date: Jan 20, 2004

          Looks like old Art man is going through some tuff times right about now.Poor wittle Arty, got his @ss kicked in.


          artman11111
          Frequent poster

          Joined: 2003-06-21
          Posts: 164
          Posted: 2004-01-27 04:45:00    

          to all
          Its been brought to my attention that my bashing of Ken is not the best way to deal with this problem called Elan.I will stop for now unless provoked again.Provocation is not limited to things said to me,or actions that effect me.We are a group and I stand tall on being aperson who genuinly cares.Parents and children both.
          The state of Illinois,as well as NY are both concerened(so they say ) and will be looking into our allegations.Some of which they have heard before.State of Illinois seemed a little embarressed at how jids were sent back after they were pulled out in 76.Elan will be made uncomfortable... again ...

          I want to apologize to those i may have offended with some of my posts to ken.I meant what i said but should not have used this forum to "expedite" my feelings.Ken and I have bumped heads for years,
          and will probably bump heads again as we share a different experience completely,and he cant fathom the things i saw or was made to do.

          ArtNice try Art, but I think it's a little too late for the law suits are ready and you are on the list.You're going down Jew boy, and you are gonna fall real hard son.

          Bitch xxx
          Date: Feb 3, 2004
          RE: Artman is back!!!!

          Why would an oldman like Arthor Warshawsky even think of trying to argue with us?We would cause him to have a heart attack in no time, maybe thats not a bad thing, If we cause art to have a heart attack he will die and we will be rid of him once and for all.Looks like we win Arthor.

           
          artman11111
          Frequent poster

          Joined: 2003-06-21
          Posts: 192
          Posted: 2004-02-12 08:40:00    

          wonder what happened to Charlie W,Mary S,Sue G,
          Fred F,Tony N,Chris C
          and any others that may be out there..........
          Art WarshawskyThey are trying and doing a good job at avoiding your gay jew @ss Art.You have no friends art except a little gay jew boy half your age ffor which you blow.

          artman11111


          Joined: 2003-06-21
          Posts: 212
          jordo call the phone comp
          Posted: 2004-03-16 13:18:00    
          I heard your cell phone is a popular number these days Jordon.
          call the phone comp and jtell them whats happening.. My guess is our old friend nazi is gonna see a jail cell over it and the other info that the authorities have.
          Nothing would make me happier
          Peace
          art
          Gee Art I heard that you evaded the oven and obviously that is true.well old Jew Boy, I'm sure we can find an oven out there with your name on it.Art you are by far a dumb mother phucker.You have to be the most dumbest person trolling these boards.Anyway since your so hell bent on lawsuits, I hear from the grape vine that one is being drawn up against you, though the reasons I heard they were being brought up against you were outrageuos and would never stick in any court, I have recently found out another suit in the making that might just work.


          Anyway it will be a great laugh once this suit goes into action.And old Artman will finally be able to experience in action his favorite word "LAWSUIT" except he will be the one in the middle of it.Hope you dont have alot to loose Arthur, becuase the person that is filing it against you is hell bent on seeing you pay the price.



          NAZI
          Veteran Member

          Posts: 90
          Date: Apr 4, 2004
          RE: Artman is back!!!!

          Damn artman, you must feel real left out and jealous of all the attention Peter Moore is getting, don't worry I havent forgot about you hairy back dreadlock wearing need a shower badly sorry old @ss.The truth is artman, I've been dorment exposing you becuase something has been in the pot cooking by another one of your fans.I will continue to stay hush hush about it and wait until it boils, I can assure you it will be a good shocker for you and cost you.Don't worry, its all legal my fat @ss friend.LOL

          NAZI
          Veteran Member

          Posts: 90
          Date: Apr 26, 2004

          artman11111
          Joined: 2003-06-21
          Posts: 255
          Posted: 2004-04-26 12:23:00    
          Jordon
          Dad told me i had permission to yell at ya..Quit bein a pinhead ...leave it be ... I know its hard to resist but you need too. and you know it
          call me nd yell at me if you need to spoout.you have all my numbers... sheesh kid.. i know where you live ! LOL
          art
           


          I'm sure you do know where Jordan lives Art, After all you must have been over to his place a dozen times already in the last 3 months for some Gay kinky Jewish anal sex.



          NAZI
          Veteran Member

          Posts: 90
          Date: May 24, 2004

          Art received a couple of dozen general meetings during his stay at elan for a repeated incident. Art Washawsky use to take the nops and break off the handles and use it as a dildo. One time he shoved it so far up his @ss they had to rush him to portland medical center to have his @sshole treated.


          Rumor has it that he also used a toilet plunger as a dildo as well.


          Those dirty lowlife smelly Jew kikes sure come up with some pretty sick stuff and make shift dildos to stick in their @sses.


          Makes you want to wonder why Art walks with a limp these days?


          Post Info   TOPIC: Jordan Eisman
          Anonymous
          Date: Dec 24, 2003
          Jordan Eisman

          Jordan Eisman is Artman's new boy toy.They constantly PM each other back n forth about how they want to stick matza balls up eack others butt and suck it out.Jordan recently became very bitter because his Daddy cut him off and now he will be forced out on the streets to fend for himself.Though the reality has happened yet but I'm sure it will very soon.
          Jordan has to now explore the not so wonderful life of window washing car windsheilds at intersection for spare change.It will be a big step down from living off Daddy, but I'm sure with the help and support and anal sex from Artman, Skinny little Jordan will do just fine.Just what ever you do Jordan, when you sleep in a homeless shelter, make sure you hold on to your shoes real tight, you'll be needing those for walking.

          s.

          Anonymous
          Date: Jan 16, 2004





          Yerbouti
          Frequent poster

          Joined: 2003-12-22
          Posts: 115
          From: Illadelphia

          Posted: 2003-12-30 13:41:00    

          i remember her, jenn Cushman, i think, yeah she was dirty, givin like bjs to the kidz, but ur right i would have been right there waiting if they were offered at e7, we were sexually depraved, but still things like that apparently happened alot more later on, only with PETER ROWE<---**** him>But Jordan didn't you get enough blow jobs from Peter Rowe?See Jordan always was the one giving the blowjobs, he blew Marty and Peter on numerous occasions.He once got a blow job from Peter Rowe, but that was because he did such a good job of sucking Peter off , Peter decided to reward him.Jordan was known in Elan as the Gay Jew Boy.

          Anonymous
          Date: Jan 22, 2004

           


          So the little Jew boy post's his phone number at Ginger's Jew Zog machine site.But the question is little Jew Boy, why is it that you cannot afford your own phone line and apartment?


          Cuba, Esteban
          838 League St
          Philadelphia, PA 191474715 215-922-1847




          NAZI
          Date: Jan 31, 2004

          Jordan and Artman are making a gay film together.Artman is on film eating Jordans @ss, and Jordan is seen on film sucking off Artman and swallowing his load.2 nasty gay Jew boys.I wonder if Jordan's next film willl have Ginger trailer trash in it?I an see it now, Jordan and Art both eating Ginger's dirty @sshole and smearing her crap all over themselves.

          Bitch xxx
          Date: Feb 2, 2004

          Jordan was a little fag in the dorms, he got a few gm's for trying to blow other men in the dorms at night.

          Date: Feb 9, 2004

          Hi my name is Jordan, and I want to make a documentary of elan.I want to make it out of experiences that I encountered there so I need to find someone to play the role of Marty Kruglik and anally invade me as what Marty did to me on numerous occassions at Elan.I did however find someone to play the role of Jeffery Gottlieb "Art Warshawsky", He agreed to let me suck his penis as like what I did to Jeffery Gottlieb, but who will be bold enough to play Marty for me?I'll tell you something, it aint such a easy life growing up a Gay Jew in Philly.

          NAZI
          Veteran Member

          Posts: 90
          Date: Apr 1, 2004

          Its either Peter Moore or Art Warshawsky prank caling you Jordon, get the malicious trace done and find out.

          WHAT
          Member

          Posts: 11
          Date: Apr 1, 2004
          Prank phone calls

          *57 three successful times and it leads to charges. After the third time the police get involved and file a complaint with the victom and it leads to harrassment charges.Funny thing is all it takes is one ring and the call can be traced, todays technology is so much more advanced then yesteryears was. I successfully traced a telemarketing company 6 months ago, they got charged with harrassment and fined an undisclosed amount. Everytime their number appeared on my caller I.D. I had it traced, end of story. Now these days Telemarketers get fined real heavy and basically receive the **** end of the stick on the matter.



          Screw U
          Member

          Posts: 11
          Date: Apr 3, 2004
          The plumber

          Hello this is Kissel, when are you guys gonna come over and fix my sink ? Yeah you said you would be over here yesterday.

          xxxfilms
          Member

          Posts: 13
          Date: Apr 6, 2004
          RE: Jordan Eisman

          Are you sure hes jewish? He says he's a sheik.....****ing towel head

          NAZI
          Veteran Member

          Posts: 90
          Date: Apr 8, 2004

          Oh he's a Jew alright, that avatar he uses is some stupid fanatsy character from some stupid game he plays, who the phuck cares.

          NAZI
          Veteran Member

          Posts: 90
          Date: Apr 13, 2004

          Say Hello to Jordon everyone.


          http://www.je2associates.com/gallery.ht ... allery%20I (http://www.je2associates.com/gallery.html?gallery=Gallery%20I)



          NAZI
          Veteran Member

          Posts: 90
          Date: Apr 22, 2004

          Sorry Jordan, but I cannot allow such vulgar racial content to be posted on my board, your post has been deleted. By the way, that hair that grows on top of your head, can you scrub pots and pans with it? It looks like a brillo pad.

          NAZI
          Veteran Member

          Posts: 90
          Date: May 29, 2004
          Poor wittle Jordan

          So Jordan's pathetic father has decided to cut off investing $$$ into this stupid film they want to make and use what ever funding he had to have Gay Jewish sex with Fart Warsh1tsky, better know as Art Warshawsky, but I thinkt Fart Warsh1tsky sounds better.


          So poor wittle Jordan is crying out for $$$, whats wrong Jordan, aint smart enough to get a job and make your own cash? Time to grow up you little kike.Did you actually believe Daddy would pay for your sorry lazy @ss the rest of your life?


          Hell son, Daddy wants to do the Gay humpty dumpty with Fart Warsh1tsky.


          Just typical of a Jew, always wants to have some sort of role in the media, not you jew boy, you need $$$ to make that happen, and you don't have a pot to pee in boy.


          Why don't you try peeing in Fart' Warsh1tsky's mouth? I hear he likes that kind of thing.


          Just think once your better people won't say those things anymore :beat:  :beat:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 28, 2010, 07:14:49 AM
          Just think once your better people won't say those things anymore
           
          Aweee Marky
          Furiously looking for your handy work to harrass me further. Another big Saturday night huh Marky ? Out with ALL your friends I see.
          again Marky... Dont lie,cheat,or steal,and you wont get caught.
          Then your daily tantrum wont be so important. You might even get better
          But I doubt it.
          Marky.. Kharma is a bitch. Ask your partner
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 28, 2010, 08:31:08 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Just think once your better people won't say those things anymore
           
          Aweee Marky
          Furiously looking for your handy work to harrass me further. Another big Saturday night huh Marky ? Out with ALL your friends I see.
          again Marky... Dont lie,cheat,or steal,and you wont get caught.
          Then your daily tantrum wont be so important. You might even get better
          But I doubt it.
          Marky.. Kharma is a bitch. Ask your partner


          Those are only quotes from your past, not me why are you so upset,??
          I only exposed the truth about your past and folks you didn't get along with :beat:  :beat: .that obviously hated you, why,?? I don't know, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl: Your such a good nice person, :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: . :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma: .

          PS You spell Kharma=  Karma,as much as you experience you should know that.  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on November 28, 2010, 09:32:11 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Just think once your better people won't say those things anymore
           
          Aweee Marky
          Furiously looking for your handy work to harrass me further. Another big Saturday night huh Marky ? Out with ALL your friends I see.
          again Marky... Dont lie,cheat,or steal,and you wont get caught.
          Then your daily tantrum wont be so important. You might even get better
          But I doubt it.
          Marky.. Kharma is a bitch. Ask your partner
          Awww Little ARTY never going to grow up are you, you speak of Karma so twisted like Karma is actually there for you. What will you be doing for Christmas...alone with your "so-called"friends??? The family where are they?? Has your own kids spoken to you much lately or is it a mere hi bye kinda thing? Let me tell you something you piece of Scrooge shit, nothing will detroy me, nothing. Ask Mark how well me and my children are doing, we are celebrating holidays with love and happiness....where is this karma you speak of?? Hell you got people twisted. Oh an by the way since you destroyed the first benefit, they are throwing two more in its place, but think you or your pieces of shit will know the dates and where hell no. I got smart am keeping that way private. However it would be fun watching you take on a Catholic Church to mess thier stuff up, heck you might just get railroaded if you tried that one. Do not worry they got your name and numbers in case you get a clue, I informed them all about your insane actions. Do not got to worry about cancelling bands ARTY since the kids themselves are playing. You think you hurt me, if anything you made people feel really bad about how you destroyed a benefit for kids...the kids have many backers, and so do I. The invitations already went out, and things all set up....oh poor ARTY cannot touch this one at all..The thing is ARTY pants, is I am good to my community and they know it, and they are here for me all the time. There is nothing I mean nothing you can further do...no more articles for you to place trash on either...What pisses you off ARTY the fact Mark is my dearest friend?? Well buddy boy that will not ever change. So I got a good idea, why don't you just block fornits and stop your stupid spewing daily. You got to see how fucken crazy you are by now. Give everyone an early Christmas present leave people alone. I seriously got a vision of the future..you and crazy jane sharing a room together at the nutty house. That is about the best you one day will have, you fricken fruitloop. So, as you are going insane on a forum, me I graduated oh yeah you stopped shit..lmao lmao lmao....Plus I am years younger than you so I got plenty time to imprint myself more on this life, your time is pretty much up, especially since your a nasty rasty fat piece of shit....All you did was get me to open my eyes wide open more as to who not to talk to in my family, thank you you did me a favor. I have my own family and that is perfectly fine with me. We are all having a kick ass holidays. All you that speak of Karma be real careful Karma may just bite you in the ass soon. Art you truly are sick saying a 4 year old got hurt over Karma???sick fucker. And oh my Karma got better the state stepped in and reopened my crash, I will get justice..so fuck your so called Karma buddy, mine got better...lmao lmao lmao.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 28, 2010, 09:33:31 AM
          Jordan Eisman is Artman's new boy toy.They constantly PM each other back n forth about how they want to stick matza balls up eack others butt and suck it out.Jordan recently became very bitter because his Daddy cut him off and now he will be forced out on the streets to fend for himself.Though the reality has happened yet but I'm sure it will very soon.
          Jordan has to now explore the not so wonderful life of window washing car windsheilds at intersection for spare change.It will be a big step down from living off Daddy, but I'm sure with the help and support and anal sex from Artman, Skinny little Jordan will do just fine.Just what ever you do Jordan, when you sleep in a homeless shelter, make sure you hold on to your shoes real tight, you'll be needing those for walking



          Is Jordan the reason you hate Gay people, ?? Did he break your heart,??? :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :whip:  :whip:  :whip:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on November 28, 2010, 09:36:14 AM
          Hey Mark you guys still coming for Christmas?? I got a huge dinner planned...I am so excited to be seeing you dear friend. Hey guess who else is flying in?? ooops forgot no names on here, but we will all have a celebrational blast. Take care and Happy Holidays dear friend.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 28, 2010, 09:37:48 AM
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          Hey Mark you guys still coming for Christmas?? I got a huge dinner planned...I am so excited to be seeing you dear friend. Hey guess who else is flying in?? ooops forgot no names on here, but we will all have a celebrational blast. Take care and Happy Holidays dear friend.

          Yes we wouldn't miss it for anything, :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :peace:  :peace:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on November 28, 2010, 09:43:32 AM
          Arty I had no idea how well you looked in cartoons....hell looks better than in real life.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 28, 2010, 09:44:12 AM
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Just think once your better people won't say those things anymore
           
          Aweee Marky
          Furiously looking for your handy work to harrass me further. Another big Saturday night huh Marky ? Out with ALL your friends I see.
          again Marky... Dont lie,cheat,or steal,and you wont get caught.
          Then your daily tantrum wont be so important. You might even get better
          But I doubt it.
          Marky.. Kharma is a bitch. Ask your partner
          Awww Little ARTY never going to grow up are you, you speak of Karma so twisted like Karma is actually there for you. What will you be doing for Christmas...alone with your "so-called"friends??? The family where are they?? Has your own kids spoken to you much lately or is it a mere hi bye kinda thing? Let me tell you something you piece of Scrooge shit, nothing will detroy me, nothing. Ask Mark how well me and my children are doing, we are celebrating holidays with love and happiness....where is this karma you speak of?? Hell you got people twisted. Oh an by the way since you destroyed the first benefit, they are throwing two more in its place, but think you or your pieces of shit will know the dates and where hell no. I got smart am keeping that way private. However it would be fun watching you take on a Catholic Church to mess thier stuff up, heck you might just get railroaded if you tried that one. Do not worry they got your name and numbers in case you get a clue, I informed them all about your insane actions. Do not got to worry about cancelling bands ARTY since the kids themselves are playing. You think you hurt me, if anything you made people feel really bad about how you destroyed a benefit for kids...the kids have many backers, and so do I. The invitations already went out, and things all set up....oh poor ARTY cannot touch this one at all..The thing is ARTY pants, is I am good to my community and they know it, and they are here for me all the time. There is nothing I mean nothing you can further do...no more articles for you to place trash on either...What pisses you off ARTY the fact Mark is my dearest friend?? Well buddy boy that will not ever change. So I got a good idea, why don't you just block fornits and stop your stupid spewing daily. You got to see how fucken crazy you are by now. Give everyone an early Christmas present leave people alone. I seriously got a vision of the future..you and crazy jane sharing a room together at the nutty house. That is about the best you one day will have, you fricken fruitloop. So, as you are going insane on a forum, me I graduated oh yeah you stopped shit..lmao lmao lmao....Plus I am years younger than you so I got plenty time to imprint myself more on this life, your time is pretty much up, especially since your a nasty rasty fat piece of shit....All you did was get me to open my eyes wide open more as to who not to talk to in my family, thank you you did me a favor. I have my own family and that is perfectly fine with me. We are all having a kick ass holidays. All you that speak of Karma be real careful Karma may just bite you in the ass soon. Art you truly are sick saying a 4 year old got hurt over Karma???sick fucker. And oh my Karma got better the state stepped in and reopened my crash, I will get justice..so fuck your so called Karma buddy, mine got better...lmao lmao lmao.


          More kind words from one of your dear friends Art,??? I told you she knew about you and your crimes, and what you did to Mason's benefit. You must feel good fucking over a little kid who almost died in the car accident. and calling it Karma. No wonder your so loved by many, ::unhappy:: Did you think that you would get away with your stunt.?? :rofl:  :rofl:  Your So Busted Again. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  Bubby make Sharon stop :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa: She's exposing me again, :rofl:  :rofl:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on November 28, 2010, 09:50:20 AM
          ARTY is trying to ruin Christmas for my kids, poor Mason who is 4, and Logan who is 9...what a big man you are for fucking with kids ARTY.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on November 28, 2010, 09:53:00 AM
          And ARTY thinks he is a big man fucking with a poor single mother who is struggling daily to improve her life, and he is just salty because she has enough sense to know he is a idiot and not have anything to do with. So, he stalks her, trashes her, basically fucks with every aspect of her personal life too. ART trashed my benefit due to jeolousy. Karma buddy it is an amazing thing. You start telling the truth you liar. You hurt people daily and your crimes involves single mothers and children.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 28, 2010, 09:55:37 AM
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          ARTY is trying to ruin Christmas for my kids, poor Mason who is 4, and Logan who is 9...what a big man you are for fucking with kids ARTY.


          That his style,praying on the weak .He won't take on adults,they scare him. :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa: What's a matter Arty the woman scare you, she is not like a little kid is she,??
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on November 28, 2010, 09:56:54 AM
          This would be my most best Christmas if PSY finally puts a collar on ARTY once and for all. He banned Felice why not the man who has been tormenting the fuck out of everyone for years..Come on PSY I got Faith in you to reach down in there and get the SPIRIT of Christmas time. Hell I would be happier if the cops did right thing and got this guy for the ignorant falsifying reporting he has been doing too.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Botched Programming on November 28, 2010, 10:02:20 AM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          They constantly PM each other back n forth about how they want to stick matza balls up eack others butt and suck it out.


          Don't be hating on the Matza balls, I love chicken soup with Matza balls and smoked white fish on a bagel, not to mention liver and cheese knishes
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on November 28, 2010, 10:20:29 AM
          Quote from: "Botched Programming"
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          They constantly PM each other back n forth about how they want to stick matza balls up eack others butt and suck it out.


          Don't be hating on the Matza balls, I love chicken soup with Matza balls and smoked white fish on a bagel, not to mention liver and cheese knishes
          Matza Balls are awesome......omg yummy.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 28, 2010, 10:55:35 AM
          awwee I am so sorry I made you 2 Criminals cry today
          Kleenex anyone ?
          LOL
          There's no tellin what sick folks like you will do next
          But please.. Continue.. I almost spit my coffee out laughing so hard at you
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2010, 12:19:53 PM
          I thought you meant "I almost spit my cum out laughing so hard at you!"
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on November 28, 2010, 03:53:44 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          awwee I am so sorry I made you 2 Criminals cry today
          Kleenex anyone ?
          LOL
          There's no tellin what sick folks like you will do next
          But please.. Continue.. I almost spit my coffee out laughing so hard at you
          lmao lmao lmao lmao oh my God lmao lmao you are truly full of yourself today. You think you control my emotions....pffft..tooo funny.....if anything I have a wonderful life and you are not even a factor in it which makes it amazing. I got more than you ever will trust me, and many already know what you are , and who you are. Criminal, why are we criminal because we know what you are, and who you are, and do not take your constant bullshit????? Your a complete asshole and well you got to live with yourself, thank GOD I never got to see your face. So, Mark and I are criminal....bahahahahahahahahaah that is the most priceless load of lies you created inside your delusional brain yet. lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao muhahahahhahahaha too funny..hey I will call ahead and see if your room is ready with your crazy jane...bahahahahahaha too funny.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2010, 04:52:40 PM
          Art why the hell do you torment women?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 28, 2010, 04:54:55 PM
          You are a very bad liar Sharon
          but on the other hand,its fun to see you twisting and crying over things I didnt do
          So please keep whining and crying
          You and Marky would make a great couple.. Dumb and dumber.. The Liar,and The bigger Liar
          Kharma... Your words cupcake,I only repeated them
          I dunno who did what to your benefit,but am glad they did
          Or else you couldnt lie and blame me for it
          Its ok girls,I have big shoulders
          Just the idea that you are making a complete idiot outa yourself is payment enough
          Thank you
          LOL
          Hoping that you will threaten suicide again unless Psy calls you
          Now that WAS funny
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 28, 2010, 05:02:29 PM
          Awww Little ARTY never going to grow up are you, you speak of Karma so twisted like Karma is actually there for you. What will you be doing for Christmas...alone with your "so-called"friends??? The family where are they?? Has your own kids spoken to you much lately or is it a mere hi bye kinda thing? Let me tell you something you piece of Scrooge shit, nothing will detroy me, nothing. Ask Mark how well me and my children are doing, we are celebrating holidays with love and happiness....where is this karma you speak of?? Hell you got people twisted. Oh an by the way since you destroyed the first benefit, they are throwing two more in its place, but think you or your pieces of shit will know the dates and where hell no. I got smart am keeping that way private. However it would be fun watching you take on a Catholic Church to mess thier stuff up, heck you might just get railroaded if you tried that one. Do not worry they got your name and numbers in case you get a clue, I informed them all about your insane actions. Do not got to worry about cancelling bands ARTY since the kids themselves are playing. You think you hurt me, if anything you made people feel really bad about how you destroyed a benefit for kids...the kids have many backers, and so do I. The invitations already went out, and things all set up....oh poor ARTY cannot touch this one at all..The thing is ARTY pants, is I am good to my community and they know it, and they are here for me all the time. There is nothing I mean nothing you can further do...no more articles for you to place trash on either...What pisses you off ARTY the fact Mark is my dearest friend?? Well buddy boy that will not ever change. So I got a good idea, why don't you just block fornits and stop your stupid spewing daily. You got to see how fucken crazy you are by now. Give everyone an early Christmas present leave people alone. I seriously got a vision of the future..you and crazy jane sharing a room together at the nutty house. That is about the best you one day will have, you fricken fruitloop. So, as you are going insane on a forum, me I graduated oh yeah you stopped shit..lmao lmao lmao....Plus I am years younger than you so I got plenty time to imprint myself more on this life, your time is pretty much up, especially since your a nasty rasty fat piece of shit....All you did was get me to open my eyes wide open more as to who not to talk to in my family, thank you you did me a favor. I have my own family and that is perfectly fine with me. We are all having a kick ass holidays. All you that speak of Karma be real careful Karma may just bite you in the ass soon. Art you truly are sick saying a 4 year old got hurt over Karma???sick fucker. And oh my Karma got better the state stepped in and reopened my crash, I will get justice..so fuck your so called Karma buddy, mine got better...lmao lmao lmao.[/quote]
          LOL We can see how good your life is Sharon
          Can I get that 3 minutes back that I spent reading your drivel
          You seriousluy need help girl. You are a bigger whackjob than anyone who ever posted here
          This is all about attention,and where to dump your garbage
          How scary that you would accuse of stuff that you know I didnt do. But I dont care! This circus act of yours is freakin hysterical,am gonna share it with Michelle. I bet she could use a good laugh too
          Once a loser,always a loser
          Huh Marky ?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 28, 2010, 07:55:19 PM
          Quote from: "art fart"
          Art why the hell do you torment women?

          Why pretend to be someone else Sharon ? I know... You wanna be just like Marky,when you grow up
          Losers
          Sharon and Marky
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 29, 2010, 07:56:29 AM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Well Holiday is over Clocks back on. I know you will abide by our agreement and not slander or threaten anyone,It's is important in the growing proses, and your recovery.
          We all know there is a happy Art  :clown:  there deep down inside , and we will help you bring that out.
          I thought the Hanukkah gift we offered was, and is very generous and nice, don't you,?? Your family will be so proud your making friends outside the Junk Yard and The Institution,ya know.And we will continue to help you along,. We all know that your in denial, and thats OK,once we are past that, you are on the road to recovery.

          Marky
          I may have forgotten in my last post to tell you to go fuck yourself
          "growing proses"
          Can you tell me what this is ?
          If I had to guess,it would be an uneductaed,internet troll,baiting your victim/seeking attention and showing off for the Lovely Sharon
          Now you have had my attention, I am going to dinner.
          Oh and that clock.. shove that up your ass too Marky
          kiss kiss


          This is better than my IP address you posted,Art. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:
          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... C_ibZz_wZw (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=9&sqi=2&ved=0CFIQFjAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fphotobucket.com%2Fimages%2FArt%2520%2520Warshawsky%2F&ei=ZMLxTLP7B8bYngeGz5yxCw&usg=AFQjCNFc12F3q9WYGZMmEKsXC_ibZz_wZw),



           
           
          Elan School Message Board -> Lowlife's and Faggot's -> Artman is back!!!!
          Post Info   TOPIC: Artman is back!!!!
          Anonymous
          Date: Dec 19, 2003
          Artman is back!!!!

          Whats the difference between artman and a pizza?
          A pizza won't scream when you put it in an oven.
          Here about Art's new car he bought over sea's back in his home country?
          Not only will it stop on a dime, but it will go back and pick it up.
          Art is the reason why the Grand canyon was formed, he dropped a quarter down a goffer hole.

          NAZI
          Date: Dec 21, 2003

          Into the phucking oven you will go Art, Nothing better then hearing a Jew burn in an oven LOL

          NAZI
          Date: Dec 21, 2003

          Artman blew a 9 year old boy a couple months back .

          Angle85
          Date: Dec 22, 2003

          Art is a gross looking old man, why wonder he always has a stick up his ass.I'm sure he does molest children, he sounds like a real pervert.

          Anonymous
          Date: Dec 23, 2003

          Art is a very gross looking old man, he also loves shoving matza balls up his anas.Art has also found love in Jordan Eisman and is gonna fufill all sexual fatansies with Jordan.

          shooting star
          Date: Dec 24, 2003

          Artman is such a baby, he cries to Ginger when people insult him.The way I see it art has brought all this upon himself.Now he has found a new home where he can fit in with the rest of the loser and support elan and kiss up to them.


          Funny thing is Artman thinks he has friends and he doesnt, well he has Jordan,All the rest of us hate him and cant stand his cry baby post's.Good thing he is old and will be dead soon, these site's will be alot better when he's gone.



          Anonymous
          Date: Jan 6, 2004

          Don't worry about Artman, he is going down real soon along with Ginger.Artman's ip has been logged for theft of copywrited material.This guy is history.

          Anonymous
          Date: Jan 20, 2004

          Looks like old Art man is going through some tuff times right about now.Poor wittle Arty, got his @ss kicked in.


          artman11111
          Frequent poster

          Joined: 2003-06-21
          Posts: 164
          Posted: 2004-01-27 04:45:00    

          to all
          Its been brought to my attention that my bashing of Ken is not the best way to deal with this problem called Elan.I will stop for now unless provoked again.Provocation is not limited to things said to me,or actions that effect me.We are a group and I stand tall on being aperson who genuinly cares.Parents and children both.
          The state of Illinois,as well as NY are both concerened(so they say ) and will be looking into our allegations.Some of which they have heard before.State of Illinois seemed a little embarressed at how jids were sent back after they were pulled out in 76.Elan will be made uncomfortable... again ...

          I want to apologize to those i may have offended with some of my posts to ken.I meant what i said but should not have used this forum to "expedite" my feelings.Ken and I have bumped heads for years,
          and will probably bump heads again as we share a different experience completely,and he cant fathom the things i saw or was made to do.

          ArtNice try Art, but I think it's a little too late for the law suits are ready and you are on the list.You're going down Jew boy, and you are gonna fall real hard son.

          Bitch xxx
          Date: Feb 3, 2004
          RE: Artman is back!!!!

          Why would an oldman like Arthor Warshawsky even think of trying to argue with us?We would cause him to have a heart attack in no time, maybe thats not a bad thing, If we cause art to have a heart attack he will die and we will be rid of him once and for all.Looks like we win Arthor.

           
          artman11111
          Frequent poster

          Joined: 2003-06-21
          Posts: 192
          Posted: 2004-02-12 08:40:00    

          wonder what happened to Charlie W,Mary S,Sue G,
          Fred F,Tony N,Chris C
          and any others that may be out there..........
          Art WarshawskyThey are trying and doing a good job at avoiding your gay jew @ss Art.You have no friends art except a little gay jew boy half your age ffor which you blow.

          artman11111


          Joined: 2003-06-21
          Posts: 212
          jordo call the phone comp
          Posted: 2004-03-16 13:18:00    
          I heard your cell phone is a popular number these days Jordon.
          call the phone comp and jtell them whats happening.. My guess is our old friend nazi is gonna see a jail cell over it and the other info that the authorities have.
          Nothing would make me happier
          Peace
          art
          Gee Art I heard that you evaded the oven and obviously that is true.well old Jew Boy, I'm sure we can find an oven out there with your name on it.Art you are by far a dumb mother phucker.You have to be the most dumbest person trolling these boards.Anyway since your so hell bent on lawsuits, I hear from the grape vine that one is being drawn up against you, though the reasons I heard they were being brought up against you were outrageuos and would never stick in any court, I have recently found out another suit in the making that might just work.


          Anyway it will be a great laugh once this suit goes into action.And old Artman will finally be able to experience in action his favorite word "LAWSUIT" except he will be the one in the middle of it.Hope you dont have alot to loose Arthur, becuase the person that is filing it against you is hell bent on seeing you pay the price.



          NAZI
          Veteran Member

          Posts: 90
          Date: Apr 4, 2004
          RE: Artman is back!!!!

          Damn artman, you must feel real left out and jealous of all the attention Peter Moore is getting, don't worry I havent forgot about you hairy back dreadlock wearing need a shower badly sorry old @ss.The truth is artman, I've been dorment exposing you becuase something has been in the pot cooking by another one of your fans.I will continue to stay hush hush about it and wait until it boils, I can assure you it will be a good shocker for you and cost you.Don't worry, its all legal my fat @ss friend.LOL

          NAZI
          Veteran Member

          Posts: 90
          Date: Apr 26, 2004

          artman11111
          Joined: 2003-06-21
          Posts: 255
          Posted: 2004-04-26 12:23:00    
          Jordon
          Dad told me i had permission to yell at ya..Quit bein a pinhead ...leave it be ... I know its hard to resist but you need too. and you know it
          call me nd yell at me if you need to spoout.you have all my numbers... sheesh kid.. i know where you live ! LOL
          art
           


          I'm sure you do know where Jordan lives Art, After all you must have been over to his place a dozen times already in the last 3 months for some Gay kinky Jewish anal sex.



          NAZI
          Veteran Member

          Posts: 90
          Date: May 24, 2004

          Art received a couple of dozen general meetings during his stay at elan for a repeated incident. Art Washawsky use to take the nops and break off the handles and use it as a dildo. One time he shoved it so far up his @ss they had to rush him to portland medical center to have his @sshole treated.


          Rumor has it that he also used a toilet plunger as a dildo as well.


          Those dirty lowlife smelly Jew kikes sure come up with some pretty sick stuff and make shift dildos to stick in their @sses.


          Makes you want to wonder why Art walks with a limp these days?


          Post Info   TOPIC: Jordan Eisman
          Anonymous
          Date: Dec 24, 2003
          Jordan Eisman

          Jordan Eisman is Artman's new boy toy.They constantly PM each other back n forth about how they want to stick matza balls up eack others butt and suck it out.Jordan recently became very bitter because his Daddy cut him off and now he will be forced out on the streets to fend for himself.Though the reality has happened yet but I'm sure it will very soon.
          Jordan has to now explore the not so wonderful life of window washing car windsheilds at intersection for spare change.It will be a big step down from living off Daddy, but I'm sure with the help and support and anal sex from Artman, Skinny little Jordan will do just fine.Just what ever you do Jordan, when you sleep in a homeless shelter, make sure you hold on to your shoes real tight, you'll be needing those for walking.

          s.

          Anonymous
          Date: Jan 16, 2004





          Yerbouti
          Frequent poster

          Joined: 2003-12-22
          Posts: 115
          From: Illadelphia

          Posted: 2003-12-30 13:41:00    

          i remember her, jenn Cushman, i think, yeah she was dirty, givin like bjs to the kidz, but ur right i would have been right there waiting if they were offered at e7, we were sexually depraved, but still things like that apparently happened alot more later on, only with PETER ROWE<---**** him>But Jordan didn't you get enough blow jobs from Peter Rowe?See Jordan always was the one giving the blowjobs, he blew Marty and Peter on numerous occasions.He once got a blow job from Peter Rowe, but that was because he did such a good job of sucking Peter off , Peter decided to reward him.Jordan was known in Elan as the Gay Jew Boy.

          Anonymous
          Date: Jan 22, 2004

           


          So the little Jew boy post's his phone number at Ginger's Jew Zog machine site.But the question is little Jew Boy, why is it that you cannot afford your own phone line and apartment?


          Cuba, Esteban
          838 League St
          Philadelphia, PA 191474715 215-922-1847




          NAZI
          Date: Jan 31, 2004

          Jordan and Artman are making a gay film together.Artman is on film eating Jordans @ss, and Jordan is seen on film sucking off Artman and swallowing his load.2 nasty gay Jew boys.I wonder if Jordan's next film willl have Ginger trailer trash in it?I an see it now, Jordan and Art both eating Ginger's dirty @sshole and smearing her crap all over themselves.

          Bitch xxx
          Date: Feb 2, 2004

          Jordan was a little fag in the dorms, he got a few gm's for trying to blow other men in the dorms at night.

          Date: Feb 9, 2004

          Hi my name is Jordan, and I want to make a documentary of elan.I want to make it out of experiences that I encountered there so I need to find someone to play the role of Marty Kruglik and anally invade me as what Marty did to me on numerous occassions at Elan.I did however find someone to play the role of Jeffery Gottlieb "Art Warshawsky", He agreed to let me suck his penis as like what I did to Jeffery Gottlieb, but who will be bold enough to play Marty for me?I'll tell you something, it aint such a easy life growing up a Gay Jew in Philly.

          NAZI
          Veteran Member

          Posts: 90
          Date: Apr 1, 2004

          Its either Peter Moore or Art Warshawsky prank caling you Jordon, get the malicious trace done and find out.

          WHAT
          Member

          Posts: 11
          Date: Apr 1, 2004
          Prank phone calls

          *57 three successful times and it leads to charges. After the third time the police get involved and file a complaint with the victom and it leads to harrassment charges.Funny thing is all it takes is one ring and the call can be traced, todays technology is so much more advanced then yesteryears was. I successfully traced a telemarketing company 6 months ago, they got charged with harrassment and fined an undisclosed amount. Everytime their number appeared on my caller I.D. I had it traced, end of story. Now these days Telemarketers get fined real heavy and basically receive the **** end of the stick on the matter.



          Screw U
          Member

          Posts: 11
          Date: Apr 3, 2004
          The plumber

          Hello this is Kissel, when are you guys gonna come over and fix my sink ? Yeah you said you would be over here yesterday.

          xxxfilms
          Member

          Posts: 13
          Date: Apr 6, 2004
          RE: Jordan Eisman

          Are you sure hes jewish? He says he's a sheik.....****ing towel head

          NAZI
          Veteran Member

          Posts: 90
          Date: Apr 8, 2004

          Oh he's a Jew alright, that avatar he uses is some stupid fanatsy character from some stupid game he plays, who the phuck cares.

          NAZI
          Veteran Member

          Posts: 90
          Date: Apr 13, 2004

          Say Hello to Jordon everyone.


          http://www.je2associates.com/gallery.ht ... allery%20I (http://www.je2associates.com/gallery.html?gallery=Gallery%20I)



          NAZI
          Veteran Member

          Posts: 90
          Date: Apr 22, 2004

          Sorry Jordan, but I cannot allow such vulgar racial content to be posted on my board, your post has been deleted. By the way, that hair that grows on top of your head, can you scrub pots and pans with it? It looks like a brillo pad.

          NAZI
          Veteran Member

          Posts: 90
          Date: May 29, 2004
          Poor wittle Jordan

          So Jordan's pathetic father has decided to cut off investing $$$ into this stupid film they want to make and use what ever funding he had to have Gay Jewish sex with Fart Warsh1tsky, better know as Art Warshawsky, but I thinkt Fart Warsh1tsky sounds better.


          So poor wittle Jordan is crying out for $$$, whats wrong Jordan, aint smart enough to get a job and make your own cash? Time to grow up you little kike.Did you actually believe Daddy would pay for your sorry lazy @ss the rest of your life?


          Hell son, Daddy wants to do the Gay humpty dumpty with Fart Warsh1tsky.


          Just typical of a Jew, always wants to have some sort of role in the media, not you jew boy, you need $$$ to make that happen, and you don't have a pot to pee in boy.


          Why don't you try peeing in Fart' Warsh1tsky's mouth? I hear he likes that kind of thing.


          Just think once your better people won't say those things anymore :beat:  :beat:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Excuse me, Who is the looser,???. I am just reading along, and Art, you don't look like you have done very well for years, with people anywhere. :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 29, 2010, 08:47:01 AM
          Ha Marky Good one !
          Showing off how long you have been trolling me ? You must be very proud of yourself. Thats quite an accomplishment. Bet your Mommy thinks you are special.
          We all do
          More whining and crying about the big bad Art
          I am beginning to think you have a crush on me. It all makes sense now. Stories of Anal Sex,Sex toys,and sex with animals.
          If you had half the life I do,you wouldnt have time for this BS
          You are a loser and a liar.
          You must be very proud of what you taught Sharon
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 29, 2010, 09:26:53 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Ha Marky Good one !
          Showing off how long you have been trolling me ? You must be very proud of yourself. Thats quite an accomplishment. Bet your Mommy thinks you are special.
          We all do
          More whining and crying about the big bad Art
          I am beginning to think you have a crush on me. It all makes sense now. Stories of Anal Sex,Sex toys,and sex with animals.
          If you had half the life I do,you wouldnt have time for this BS
          You are a loser and a liar.
          You must be very proud of what you taught Sharon

          I merely pointed out to Sharon who you are,but she already knew,As far as a crush on you,it seems like you and Jordan are already involved,I wouldn't want you to cheat on him. If I had a life,?? Aren't you callling the kettle black, If I want you, all I have to do is post something and you come running. :whip:  :whip:  :whip:  :seg:  :seg:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 29, 2010, 10:56:38 AM
          Awww Marky
          You seem deperate for attention again ?
          If I want you,all I  (or anyone) has to do is rattle their zipper.
          I hear you give quite the blowjob
          Where/when does this end Marky. Will you ever be finished making a fool of yourself ? Will you ever be interested in being seen as an adult ?
          Cant you find anything positive to do with your time ?
          Is this the BEST of Marky ?
          10 years of trolling and what have you gotten out of it ?
          Could it be NOTHING ?
          Title: Re: Christmas in the program
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 29, 2010, 12:41:01 PM
          It appears that you are an equal opportunity asswipe Mark
          If I took 10 years outa my life,created 40 screen names,and pretended to be a different person each time I posted...
          Most would call that a pretty serious case of Mental Illness
          Firing off on here and then reposting your own drivel 6-7-8-10 years later.. Only makes you look sicker.
          Seems BP already called you out on this before
          Your "Views" are high because you are a trainwreck. Everyone wants to see a wreck
          Marky is the Fornits-house-wreck. Thats why the highways are crowded after a wreck
          Everyone has to look
          Congrats on being that wreck Marky
          You have impressed noone but Sharon
           :roflmao:  ::fullofshit::  
          Takes a seriously injured person to do what you have done to myself and a number of others
          Sure hope you get better one day Marky
          Title: Re: Christmas in the program
          Post by: mark babitz on November 29, 2010, 02:50:20 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          It appears that you are an equal opportunity asswipe Mark
          If I took 10 years outa my life,created 40 screen names,and pretended to be a different person each time I posted...
          Most would call that a pretty serious case of Mental Illness
          Firing off on here and then reposting your own drivel 6-7-8-10 years later.. Only makes you look sicker.
          Seems BP already called you out on this before
          Your "Views" are high because you are a trainwreck. Everyone wants to see a wreck
          Marky is the Fornits-house-wreck. Thats why the highways are crowded after a wreck
          Everyone has to look
          Congrats on being that wreck Marky
          You have impressed noone but Sharon
           :roflmao:  ::fullofshit::  
          Takes a seriously injured person to do what you have done to myself and a number of others
          Sure hope you get better one day Marky
          Why would you disrespect BP thread with your crap and fighting,?? don't your respect anyone,Nothing in my post was negative,nor confrontational, nor to you, Your just an ass AGAIN, :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 29, 2010, 05:00:27 PM
          Ahh once again Marky
          If you really were such a smart guy,you would have avoided this bullshit over the past year.
          The truth is a tough one for you
          I am very sorry its me that has to put you in your place. But its no different than the treatment I have endured here in any thread I have posted in.
          BTW. .I didnt post anything but the truth about your behaviors. Want it to end ?
          STFU...Simpleton
          You are one angry little man...and for YEARS
          Seek help Marky... Or better yet,just kill yourself
          Go fuck yourself
          You are scum
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 29, 2010, 09:52:52 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Ahh once again Marky
          If you really were such a smart guy,you would have avoided this bullshit over the past year.
          The truth is a tough one for you
          I am very sorry its me that has to put you in your place. But its no different than the treatment I have endured here in any thread I have posted in.
          BTW. .I didnt post anything but the truth about your behaviors. Want it to end ?
          STFU...Simpleton
          You are one angry little man...and for YEARS
          Seek help Marky... Or better yet,just kill yourself
          Go fuck yourself
          You are scum
          You stupid pompis ass, They took you and your post and threw it over here,No my post were not removed, yours were, I spoke the truth and talked of the positives, and you were thrown out for be negative and rude.

          Your too ignorant to understand that but the proof is on the site.They moved BP thread to Troubled Teens, so you couldn't infect it with your bile,And if you do they will throw you off the site and you know that. It's the rules outside of this thread.And BP got a chance to see you in action disrespecting BP post's.

          You make people sick Art,but please don't go away,were are not done helping you yet. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry: We need you around and so does Jordan, :whip:  :whip:  :whip:  :whip:  :whip:  :whip:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 29, 2010, 10:59:04 PM
          marky
          arent you calling the kettle black ? maybe you should sign in as one of your other screen names.
          maybe then you will feel better
          bp has been around a long time. he knows what you are all about.
          you have followed me to my pof acct,to facebook,to your failed hate sites,to my home,to my place of business,and finally... in every thread i ever posted anything in
          who is shittin who ya fuckstick
          btw smartguy.. could you find the spellcheck key you illiterate fool?
          you are a funny fucker
          kick me outa a cesspool..this may be your only way you communicate with people
          but i dont give a rats ass either way
          scum of the earth
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 30, 2010, 07:11:55 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          marky
          arent you calling the kettle black ? maybe you should sign in as one of your other screen names.
          maybe then you will feel better
          bp has been around a long time. he knows what you are all about.
          you have followed me to my pof acct,to facebook,to your failed hate sites,to my home,to my place of business,and finally... in every thread i ever posted anything in
          who is shittin who ya fuckstick
          btw smartguy.. could you find the spellcheck key you illiterate fool?
          you are a funny fucker
          kick me outa a cesspool..this may be your only way you communicate with people
          but i dont give a rats ass either way
          scum of the earth

          Illiterate fool? spellcheck key??? it's spell check, two words stupid,nice scum back,scum bag.Yes, BP has been around and probably knows those people you say is me, which makes you look even dumber.Please don't ever leave Arty, your so much fun to watch running around crazy. :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on November 30, 2010, 07:14:13 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          marky
          arent you calling the kettle black ? maybe you should sign in as one of your other screen names.
          maybe then you will feel better
          bp has been around a long time. he knows what you are all about.
          you have followed me to my pof acct,to facebook,to your failed hate sites,to my home,to my place of business,and finally... in every thread i ever posted anything in
          who is shittin who ya fuckstick
          btw smartguy.. could you find the spellcheck key you illiterate fool?
          you are a funny fucker
          kick me outa a cesspool..this may be your only way you communicate with people
          but i dont give a rats ass either way
          scum of the earth

          Art don't test me.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on November 30, 2010, 08:52:24 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          marky
          arent you calling the kettle black ? maybe you should sign in as one of your other screen names.
          maybe then you will feel better
          bp has been around a long time. he knows what you are all about.
          you have followed me to my pof acct,to facebook,to your failed hate sites,to my home,to my place of business,and finally... in every thread i ever posted anything in
          who is shittin who ya fuckstick
          btw smartguy.. could you find the spellcheck key you illiterate fool?
          you are a funny fucker
          kick me outa a cesspool..this may be your only way you communicate with people
          but i dont give a rats ass either way
          scum of the earth

          Art you are the Liaresposed,over and over again.Don't you get tired of, just sticking your foot in your mouth,??
          You can't win, The bile you spew is constant and you don't care were you do it ether.Your a very dysfunctional person.You seek out the battles and problems in your life. You had no good reason to attack me in BP thread,you just had to try and show off the BIG BAD ART, and was thrown out of the thread,by the Moderator,no not me, You Were Removed. All because you can't control your mouth and stalking ways,That is a shame you have no life so try and invade others.

          If you think your going to shut me up or chase me off, well, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: your better off smashing your computer, :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp: I am not a woman nor a coward like you, so I don't run, as you can see pretty clearly.

          But by no means go away, your a gift from Mike and we all appreciate it,How could he have known, we needed a bag, to shit in. And your are defiantly the 250 pound bag we were looking for.Plenty of room for many shit's. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:

          Oh by the way { Karma} is spelled that way not{ Kharma},dumb ass, try Spell Check two words. :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 30, 2010, 10:33:34 AM
          Blah blah blah
          Just like the coward you are
          BP was not disrespected and feels the same way most do
          You are dead wrong and guilty of numorous crimes
          I dont care if you go away,or kill yourself (the latter is preffered)
          you are sick,and need help,and this is simply your cry for help. No other person would go to the lengths that you have to harrass me and others.
          If you were a real man,that had a problem with me,you would come to me with it
          But not Marky the Cumburping Coward!
          You simply are an outcast. Its not because you suck dick,its because you are an asshole
          Most everyone has moved on EXCEPT you and Sharon
          Bp put you RIGHT in your place 2 weeks ago
          What is stopping you from shutting the fuck up ?
          Asswipe
          How does Sharon's Fecal Matter taste?
          Huh Fecalboy = Remember that Marky ?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on November 30, 2010, 11:38:03 AM
          You had no good reason to attack me in BP thread,you just had to try and show off the BIG BAD ART, and was thrown out of the thread,by the Moderator,no not me, You Were Removed. All because you can't control your mouth and stalking ways,
           
          this is what I mean when I posted about the pot calling the kettle black
          Wasnt it you Marky that was blocked from Aaron's site.. Like 9 times ? Joe Gerald ? Gary Stadler,Marky Babbletits and 4-5 other screen names
          Marky Marky Marky...........YOU ARE A FRAUD!
          You picked a fight with me,I have simply responded,and will continue to respond to your constant lies and manipulations
          Your problem Marky.. One of many... You are the only one who thinks you are smart
          The rest of your "Viewers" only come here to see the Train wreck that is Marky Babbletits
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on November 30, 2010, 11:35:57 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          You had no good reason to attack me in BP thread,you just had to try and show off the BIG BAD ART, and was thrown out of the thread,by the Moderator,no not me, You Were Removed. All because you can't control your mouth and stalking ways,
           
          this is what I mean when I posted about the pot calling the kettle black
          Wasnt it you Marky that was blocked from Aaron's site.. Like 9 times ? Joe Gerald ? Gary Stadler,Marky Babbletits and 4-5 other screen names
          Marky Marky Marky...........YOU ARE A FRAUD!
          You picked a fight with me,I have simply responded,and will continue to respond to your constant lies and manipulations
          Your problem Marky.. One of many... You are the only one who thinks you are smart
          The rest of your "Viewers" only come here to see the Train wreck that is Marky Babbletits


          I am sorry this happened to you. Its a good thing they have programs now where you dont have to endure that pain your use to Art.

          One program was opened by a pedophile and was given the Struggling Teens' "stamp of approval" after a visit and glowing review on the website. The only problem was that the program owner was raping all the little girls in his care and was, after years of doing this, arrested and charged with over 120 counts of child sex abuse. Looks like a good job career for you Art, I heard they are looking for new owners.
           :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 01, 2010, 06:54:43 AM
          Awwee Marky
          That was weak Marky.
          I was SO looking forward to your drivel today,and this is the best you can do ?
          You poor bastard
          Today is a special day Marky. Its my 47th birthday. So far I have gotten 61 fb messages,35 or so emails,and a dozen or so calls. I was really looking forward to a good laugh at your expense. You disapointed me.
          again.
          Well Marky.. I better answer some emails,and try to get some work done. Dont hurt yourself seeking attention. I think Sharon will still think yer the best.But undoubtedly ,no one else
          Loserboy
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on December 01, 2010, 07:09:37 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Awwee Marky
          That was weak Marky.
          I was SO looking forward to your drivel today,and this is the best you can do ?
          You poor bastard
          Today is a special day Marky. Its my 47th birthday. So far I have gotten 61 fb messages,35 or so emails,and a dozen or so calls. I was really looking forward to a good laugh at your expense. You disapointed me.
          again.
          Well Marky.. I better answer some emails,and try to get some work done. Dont hurt yourself seeking attention. I think Sharon will still think yer the best.But undoubtedly ,no one else
          Loserboy

          Well let me stop the fucking clock, Happy Birthday Art. :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :clown:  :birthday:  :clown:  :birthday:  :clown:  :birthday:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 01, 2010, 11:34:22 AM
          Another boring story about Pedophilia and or gay sex
          Seems your most popular subjects to date
          I think,if I had a nickel,for every time you assualted me with these kinds of lies and fantasies
          I would be a fairly wealthy man
          Funny thing tho.. In my 47 years,I have yet to find anyone who spoke in this same vanacular,repeatedly
          I wonder if you act-out these fantasies involving children,or same sex fantasies that you have posted dozens of times
          Sex toys and how to operate them and where they should be inserted
          Where do you come by this info Marky ?
          You can come out of the closet anytime Marky
          But wipe the stain off your chin son
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2010, 01:46:58 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Another boring story about Pedophilia and or gay sex
          Seems your most popular subjects to date
          I think,if I had a nickel,for every time you assualted me with these kinds of lies and fantasies
          I would be a fairly wealthy man
          Funny thing tho.. In my 47 years,I have yet to find anyone who spoke in this same vanacular,repeatedly
          I wonder if you act-out these fantasies involving children,or same sex fantasies that you have posted dozens of times
          Sex toys and how to operate them and where they should be inserted
          Where do you come by this info Marky ?
          You can come out of the closet anytime Marky
          But wipe the stain off your chin son



           :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:

           :birthday:  :waaaa:  :birthday:  :waaaa:  :birthday:  :waaaa:  :birthday:  :waaaa:  :beat:  :birthday:  :beat:  :birthday:  :clown:  :birthday:  :clown:  :birthday:  :clown:  :birthday:  :heartbreak:  :birthday:  :heartbreak:  :birthday:  :heartbreak:  :birthday:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :clown:  :beat:  :waaaa:  :clown:  :beat:  :waaaa:  :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2010, 01:51:07 PM
          Art called me from IL and said I just shit my diaper.   :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2010, 02:05:12 PM
          :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday: Happy Birthday  Arty Fuck Nuts,, :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 01, 2010, 02:26:55 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Another boring story about Pedophilia and or gay sex
          Seems your most popular subjects to date
          I think,if I had a nickel,for every time you assualted me with these kinds of lies and fantasies
          I would be a fairly wealthy man
          Funny thing tho.. In my 47 years,I have yet to find anyone who spoke in this same vanacular,repeatedly
          I wonder if you act-out these fantasies involving children,or same sex fantasies that you have posted dozens of times
          Sex toys and how to operate them and where they should be inserted
          Where do you come by this info Marky ?
          You can come out of the closet anytime Marky
          But wipe the stain off your chin son
          Excellant... Seething with hate
          My day is complete.. You are throing another tantrum
          Thanks for the laughs
          Was it something I said ?
          LOL
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2010, 02:42:54 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Another boring story about Pedophilia and or gay sex
          Seems your most popular subjects to date
          I think,if I had a nickel,for every time you assualted me with these kinds of lies and fantasies
          I would be a fairly wealthy man
          Funny thing tho.. In my 47 years,I have yet to find anyone who spoke in this same vanacular,repeatedly
          I wonder if you act-out these fantasies involving children,or same sex fantasies that you have posted dozens of times
          Sex toys and how to operate them and where they should be inserted
          Where do you come by this info Marky ?
          You can come out of the closet anytime Marky
          But wipe the stain off your chin son
          Excellant... Seething with hate
          My day is complete.. You are throing another tantrum
          Thanks for the laughs
          Was it something I said ?
          LOL


          Throing,?????????? must be" Yiddish" :cheers:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

          Dont be such a sad sack,it's your Birthday,,, :birthday:  :clown:  :birthday:  :clown: You can cry if you want to, :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :waaaa:  :waaaa: ,, But Jordan will come. So cheer up Farty, :beat:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :jamin:  :clown:  :roflmao:  :rasta:  :rasta: Party till we  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  from you, It's your Birthday, :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:

          And thanks for taking time out of your very busy day to fight on Fornits, it's a shame that all 500  of your friends on FB must wait for you to respond to all of their well wishes. :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  You hate your computer :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp: ,,, and the internet, don't you.??????

          I sure wouldn't if I were you, Thank God I am not,but the fact is you are, So have a wonderful Birthday and, may many good things come to you, :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:



           
           :lala:  :lala:  :lala:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 01, 2010, 04:54:19 PM
          This is a great  b-day present from you 2
          Not only are you seething,with hate and anger
          But now you are crying too
          Perhaps if you had ANY friends... or Love from your family
          I will check in on ya later girls. Being taken out to Dunhill's for dinner
          Even gonna wear a tie
          Bubye
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2010, 05:05:00 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          This is a great  b-day present from you 2
          Not only are you seething,with hate and anger
          But now you are crying too
          Perhaps if you had ANY friends... or Love from your family
          I will check in on ya later girls. Being taken out to Dunhill's for dinner
          Even gonna wear a tie
          Bubye

          Arthur talk dirty to me.  You excite me.   :beat:  :beat:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :peace:  :clown:  :tup:  :heartbreak:  :rofl:  :timeout:  :timeout:  :seg:  :seg:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2010, 05:24:01 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          This is a great  b-day present from you 2
          Not only are you seething,with hate and anger
          But now you are crying too
          Perhaps if you had ANY friends... or Love from your family
          I will check in on ya later girls. Being taken out to Dunhill's for dinner
          Even gonna wear a tie
          Bubye


          Hey great I know the Mang.  I will tell him your coming,,,Nothing but the best for you. :birthday:  :birthday:  Birthday Boy, :waaaa:  :clown:  :waaaa:  :clown:  :birthday:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2010, 07:55:44 PM
          Quote from: "Farty"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          This is a great  b-day present from you 2
          Not only are you seething,with hate and anger
          But now you are crying too
          Perhaps if you had ANY friends... or Love from your family
          I will check in on ya later girls. Being taken out to Dunhill's for dinner
          Even gonna wear a tie
          Bubye


          Hey great I know the Mang.  I will tell him your coming,,,Nothing but the best for you. :birthday:  :birthday:  Birthday Boy, :waaaa:  :clown:  :waaaa:  :clown:  :birthday:
          Aren't pissed you said you were going to dinner, and have to just sit there now so you don't get busted in a lie AGAIN,,,????? You so badly want to reply,but can't, in fear of being BUSTED AGAIN, :cheers:  :cheers:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on December 01, 2010, 08:00:42 PM
          Great Video,, :cheers:  :cheers:


          http://www.google.com/search?q=merry+ch ... CDIQqwQwAQ (http://www.google.com/search?q=merry+christmas+bitch+video&hl=en&sa=X&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS393&prmd=iv&source=univ&tbs=vid:1&tbo=u&ei=Cu_2TI2bNoGC8gbkvO26Bw&oi=video_result_group&ct=title&resnum=2&ved=0CDIQqwQwAQ)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2010, 08:08:09 PM
          Art fuck you
           :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :shamrock:  :shamrock:  :shamrock:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  ::poke::  ::poke::  ::poke::  :jerry:  :jerry:  :jerry:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :sue:  :roflmao:  :spam:  :spam:  :spam:  :agree:  :boycott:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2010, 08:15:08 PM
          :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :spam:  :spam:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :sue:  :sue:  :sue:  :sue:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :D  :D  :D  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG:: :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 01, 2010, 09:47:10 PM
          And I thought you were gonna be nice now Marky
          This is as nice as you get huh?
          Hate/Bile/Jealousy/Frustration
          Wound up at Porters. Had Swordfish and many oysters. They do a really nice job there. Had this plate of sushi,6 oysters,several crab claws,and maybe squid salad (not sure).. Was excellant. Couple family members,few friends,good times.
          Tell ya the truth Marky,there was a time I didnt think I would make it to 35,then I made some important changes in my life.
          Since then my life has improved dramatically. I cant think you would understand this after reading the content of your posts for 10 years.
          Some days are not the best,but every day is a good day.
          Marky
          I advise you to get some help. Its possible,modern day psychiatry could save your life. You seem very angry,and unstable. But this is the only way I have ever encountered you,and/or your other screen names. Little girl games in your 50's... whats that about ? Here's a newsflash Marky... Your adolescence is over by 35 or so years. Your lack of social skills are vastly related to your inability to communicate effectively.. thus we have the gay sex stories and wild accusations.
          I call it Paranoia,immaturity,and vengeful.. But wtf do I know
          I dont expect you to change anything,as you have shown what you really are.. a cowardly criminal
          Good night Marky
          May god have mercy on you
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2010, 10:33:03 PM
          Quote
          But wtf do I know

          Not a damn thing.  And fart, go fuck yourself.

           :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :jawdrop:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  :jerry:  :jerry:  :jerry:  :jerry:  :jerry:  :jerry:  :jerry:  :jerry:  :jerry:  :jerry:  :jerry:  :jerry:  :jerry:  :jerry:  :jerry:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: shakilabarbosa on December 02, 2010, 12:09:25 AM
          I think Danny should refrain from communicating with anyone about his personal life through. e-mail or otherwise. There are people who will use e-mail, private messages and / or statements of other sites to discredit him rather than work history of Elan.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 02, 2010, 07:11:54 AM
          Quote from: "FART"
          Quote
          But wtf do I know

          Not a damn thing.  And fart, go fuck yourself.

          Funny.. for a 13 yr old adolescent
          But for so-called adults... Sad
          Sorry I hurted your feelings Sharon/Marky. Maybe if you 2 STFU and listen,you would see how ridiculous you sound,and look.
          Will just say that you picked the wrong guy to fuck with
          A year later and you are STILL crying and lying. 6-7 hate sites later,100 or so pages of bullshit,and countless tantrums...
          Exactly what have you 2 accomplished ?
          Could it be nothing ?
          LOL = Losers = LOL
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2010, 08:14:45 AM
          Fart you always say you picked the wrong guy to fuck with.  This is your MO old man.  Really, everyone should be afraid of Art cause he'll kick your ass.  Art you really really need professional help in the worse kind of way.   :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :sue:  :sue:  :sue:  :sue:  :sue:  :sue:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2010, 08:19:01 AM
          Quote from: "ART"
          Fart you always say you picked the wrong guy to fuck with.  This is your MO old man.  Really, everyone should be afraid of Art cause he'll kick your ass.  Art you really really need professional help in the worse kind of way.   :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :sue:  :sue:  :sue:  :sue:  :sue:  :sue:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:


          The truth is told of the great Art,,, :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :birthday:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2010, 08:44:54 AM
          Fart is the devil...  Hardy hardy har har.  Art you should get a nice young sweet Catholic lady and do something productive instead of threatening people!  Art will threaten people again, give him time. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on December 02, 2010, 09:09:02 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          And I thought you were gonna be nice now Marky
          This is as nice as you get huh?
          Hate/Bile/Jealousy/Frustration
          Wound up at Porters. Had Swordfish and many oysters. They do a really nice job there. Had this plate of sushi,6 oysters,several crab claws,and maybe squid salad (not sure).. Was excellant. Couple family members,few friends,good times.
          Tell ya the truth Marky,there was a time I didnt think I would make it to 35,then I made some important changes in my life.
          Since then my life has improved dramatically. I cant think you would understand this after reading the content of your posts for 10 years.
          Some days are not the best,but every day is a good day.
          Marky
          I advise you to get some help. Its possible,modern day psychiatry could save your life. You seem very angry,and unstable. But this is the only way I have ever encountered you,and/or your other screen names. Little girl games in your 50's... whats that about ? Here's a newsflash Marky... Your adolescence is over by 35 or so years. Your lack of social skills are vastly related to your inability to communicate effectively.. thus we have the gay sex stories and wild accusations.
          I call it Paranoia,immaturity,and vengeful.. But wtf do I know
          I dont expect you to change anything,as you have shown what you really are.. a cowardly criminal
          Good night Marky
          May god have mercy on you


          I wish you didn't change your plans I called my friend at Dunhills to help you with the best,I would have called Gregg or Lisa the owners, if I knew you were going to Porter's, they could have gotten you the Birthday Special.

          But glad you had fun and a good meal,


          {Tell ya the truth Marky,there was a time I didnt think I would make it to 35,then I made some important changes in my life.}

          If you really knew me and didn't pretend I was everyone else, you would know I understand more than you think,And I am glad you were able to make a change in life to help yourself,and I too wondered how old I would be when I die. I have quite a past myself and also struggled with change and doubt, When I was at Elan, and it's all a matter of court records, I stole a car in Lewiston in 74, It was a 1970 Red Barracuda,I stole it from a tire shop by the mall, I got into a chase in Augusta, and it went for 30 miles or so at speeds of 100 ++,the cop pulled up next to me and pulled his gun, I cut him off, I finally was stopped by two semi's across the road.Some how Joe got me out of it,??? But my life was full of crazy stunts. The Skokie Police knew me by site,

          We lived on Harvard Tere,and Niles Center.We later moved to Winnetka and my life didn't change much.I was running away all the time, and committing crimes one after the other, everything from car theft to armed robbery's in the city. They said I would make it to 21, at my pace,I think they were right, I was out of control.I finally turned spending  5 years in Prison, when I was 18, and then I think I woke up, not because prison was so hard,I just got tired of being locked up and all the bull-shit around it.I unfortunately grew up with allot of the people I knew in prison, from all of my previous stent, so it wasn't so bad,.

          But I did miss my freedom and wondered if life was always going to be so confusing and fucked up,So I too made some big changes, and made it out of the woods. So yes Art I am truly glad you made it out of those woods too.I know I poke fun and beat up on you, but I also know we both endured some pretty fucked up times in life, Elan being probably one of the worst, and leaving the biggest scares to carry.The ages we were at was the problem. Now we would probably be able to blow most of it off, but as kids,,, Elan was allot to absorb and decipher. And trying to make scene out of it,???  I don't think anyone can.

          Well thats my other side Art, I guess we can back to the battle now,LOL, :rofl:  :rofl:  But I am glad you made it 47 and may you have a good 47 more years,. :rocker:  :rocker:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 02, 2010, 09:23:25 AM
          Mark
          That is thE first time,that I can remember,that you actually shared something real. Am damned impressed.
          It appears that Elan is still stuck in your mind alot
          I have the same problem,but not as often as in the past. Tho there are days,or moments I should say,that my mind still attacks me.
          Its usually after I read your drivel
          I have witnessed 1st hand your many screen names,and have mentioned them many times before. Its also been pointed out to me by numorous others. If you dont want to be seen as a troll,why play the game?
          I understand sharon's illness,and I truly feel bad for her.
          Not much for AA anymore,but some of the things they say remain the truth
          "there by the grace of god go I"
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2010, 10:47:41 AM
          Quote from: "shakilabarbosa"
          I think Danny should refrain from communicating with anyone about his personal life through. e-mail or otherwise. There are people who will use e-mail, private messages and / or statements of other sites to discredit him rather than work history of Elan.



          Copies Of All Of My Manifestos Are Available For The Christmas Season. :peace:  :peace:  :peace: And To All A Good Holiday, ::puke::  With Plenty Off Cheer :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  Lets Set A Record For The Old Group At A.A. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  ::puke::  ::puke::

          And I Danny have Spoken            




          If It Wasn't For Programs, I Would Be Dead .




          Danny Has Spoken And Shared The Love.



          I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it. I live for it.

          I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing. But I know more than All.

          Earth is the insane asylum for the universe.I have my own space.

          Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive. We all need programs of some kind..
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2010, 05:19:49 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Mark
          That is thE first time,that I can remember,that you actually shared something real. Am damned impressed.
          It appears that Elan is still stuck in your mind alot
          I have the same problem,but not as often as in the past. Tho there are days,or moments I should say,that my mind still attacks me.
          Its usually after I read your drivel
          I have witnessed 1st hand your many screen names,and have mentioned them many times before. Its also been pointed out to me by numorous others. If you dont want to be seen as a troll,why play the game?
          I understand sharon's illness,and I truly feel bad for her.
          Not much for AA anymore,but some of the things they say remain the truth
          "there by the grace of god go I"

          Farty didn't threaten anyone!  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 02, 2010, 05:30:19 PM
          Could you be so kind as to go fuck yourself ?
          Thanks in advance CUNT
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2010, 05:54:02 PM
          Quote from: "Danny B II"
          Quote from: "shakilabarbosa"
          I think Danny should refrain from communicating with anyone about his personal life through. e-mail or otherwise. There are people who will use e-mail, private messages and / or statements of other sites to discredit him rather than work history of Elan.



          Copies Of All Of My Manifestos Are Available For The Christmas Season. :peace:  :peace:  :peace: And To All A Good Holiday, ::puke::  With Plenty Off Cheer :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  Lets Set A Record For The Old Group At A.A. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  ::puke::  ::puke::

          And I Danny have Spoken            




          If It Wasn't For Programs, I Would Be Dead .




          Danny Has Spoken And Shared The Love.



          I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it. I live for it.

          I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing. But I know more than All.

          Earth is the insane asylum for the universe.I have my own space.

          Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive. We all need programs of some kind..




          Don't Forget Special A Copy Of My Christmas & Hanukkah Manifesto,,Is Now Available,,, Great Stocking Stuffer,& Hanukkah Gift,,,, :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2010, 05:56:55 PM
          Quote from: "Danny B II"
          Quote from: "shakilabarbosa"
          I think Danny should refrain from communicating with anyone about his personal life through. e-mail or otherwise. There are people who will use e-mail, private messages and / or statements of other sites to discredit him rather than work history of Elan.



          Copies Of All Of My Manifestos Are Available For The Christmas Season. :peace:  :peace:  :peace: And To All A Good Holiday, ::puke::  With Plenty Off Cheer :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  Lets Set A Record For The Old Group At A.A. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  ::puke::  ::puke::

          And I Danny have Spoken            




          If It Wasn't For Programs, I Would Be Dead .




          Danny Has Spoken And Shared The Love.



          I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it. I live for it.

          I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing. But I know more than All.

          Earth is the insane asylum for the universe.I have my own space.

          Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive. We all need programs of some kind..




          Don't Forget Special A Copy Of My Christmas & Hanukkah Manifesto,,Is Now Available,,, Great Stocking Stuffer,& Hanukkah Gift,,,, Can E- Mail or Fed- Ex :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 06, 2010, 07:14:49 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Could you be so kind as to go fuck yourself ?
          Thanks in advance CUNT

          Fuck You Art,!!!!!.  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2010, 10:23:33 AM
          Quote from: "joell"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Could you be so kind as to go fuck yourself ?
          Thanks in advance CUNT

          Fuck You Art,!!!!!.  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:


          And Yes Fuck You Art,!!!!!.  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: You and "Joel" should move in together you are both abusers and play both ends to the middle.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2010, 10:39:20 AM
          [color=#FF0000
              Read My Manifesto,,,    





          My name is Daniel Bennison, I was in Elan from 6/75 till 1/77 as a resident and a employee from 1/77 till 11/78.

          I bring this up because of past and recent events and interactions with other residents. Guys this will be the last post I do to defend really (the indefensible) the abuse committed while I was affiliated with Elan. Whooter has informed me that he is writing a book and that I am in it on Chap. 5 because of abuses on committed at Elan while as a employee. This was my response to him after being told this,"I want you to quote this in your book. I did not say I did not abuse kids because I did as a resident and a employee. As a resident I fought in the ring for the house, screamed at folks during GM's, during a haircut, encounter groups and screamed at folks shot down while walking the house.As a employee I committed all of the abuse I mentioned above plus directed residents to verbally assault and demean residents. Did I physically abuse people, ?

          [color=#008040 Yes. Now does this make me a better person then the next employee,? Yes it really does. All I am doing here is stating a fact."John has also taken the liberties of threatening me with exposer concerning accusations of abuse and that I had committed while staff, with 5 or more witnesses to these incidents.I don't think that you folks really want a all out war of words on this site but on the other hand I can see where it is constructive to have a resident call out a staff member of Elan who posts here, on supposed abuses. I don't mind that a book is being written about Elan and the abuses Staff committed. Just remember though I will not apologize to anyone for any abuses I did commit.There was enough bullshit that happened from 75-78 for me to have given a lifetime of nightmares to others, without anyone making me do something I truly don't mean. John says I was Staff/Ass.Director (E-7). I was staff/Ass.Director E-7 from 2/78 till 8/78, I transferred to a different position/different house till 11/78. I am curious as to how John knows I arrived at E-7 in 1978. Anyway I post here and I am open to conversation, you would think that John would use my information to his advantage, for he is also an abuser of others. there are also other staff and Ass. directors who have information that would help in exposing Elan, John and Felice are both frauds, As far as the dragging incident I am not nor will I be ashamed at programs and the courses it takes, I know that the once Fat Girl thanks me now. I will help any of you lose wight like here just call me,Now first off Felice is very well prepared for this sort of thing because she has been haunting this sites for over 10 years. The only thing one has to do is ask Felice about her family sibling, parents and children and you can see the abuse. Far after she left Elan and still present today. I will not get into specifics right now only to say her garbage is still going on. This is of her own making though she will blame everyone else a common trait of Art and herself. Then pick on other residents if their still not satisfied. Felice you are still very sick, you hang out with Art and you harass people. A nother side of Felice is her brilliance with Art, she is masterful, she also has great ability with filming herself in the wild, and last her passion is trolling survivor sites, Felice stay with your strengths and stop with the dirt business it is unbecoming of you, Felice is a much more horrible woman then any of us would dream of,That's right Felice and your still an idiot and maybe if you had not posted your crap, I would let you satisfy me and get me into the mood lady friend, you and I would be alright, but no you had to stoop to a disgusting level. So you keep posting away to prove your point. As far as I'm concerned you have no class what so ever. You call yourself a woman, please. Run to Art.


          And I Danny have Spoken            




          If It Wasn't For Programs, I Would Be Dead .




          Danny Has Spoken And Shared The Love.



          I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it. I live for it.

          I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing. But I know more than All.

          Earth is the insane asylum for the universe.I have my own space.

          Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive. We all need programs of some kind][/color]






           John says I was Staff/Ass.Director (E-7). I was staff/Ass.Director E-7 from 2/78 till 8/78, I transferred to a different position/different house till 11/78. I am curious as to how John knows I arrived at E-7 in 1978. Anyway I post here and I am open to conversation, you would think that John would use my information to his advantage, for he is also an abuser of others. there are also other staff and Ass. directors who have information that would help in exposing Elan, John and Felice are both frauds, As far as the dragging incident I am not nor will I be ashamed at programs and the courses it takes, I know that the once Fat Girl thanks me now. I will help any of you lose wight like here just call me,Now first off Felice is very well prepared for this sort of thing because she has been haunting this sites for over 10 years. The only thing one has to do is ask Felice about her family sibling, parents and children and you can see the abuse. Far after she left Elan and still present today. I will not get into specifics right now only to say her garbage is still going on. This is of her own making though she will blame everyone else a common trait of Art and herself. Then pick on other residents if their still not satisfied. Felice you are still very sick, you hang out with Art and you harass people. A nother side of Felice is her brilliance with Art, she is masterful, she also has great ability with filming herself in the wild, and last her passion is trolling survivor sites, Felice stay with your strengths and stop with the dirt business it is unbecoming of you, Felice is a much more horrible woman then any of us would dream of,That's right Felice and your still an idiot and maybe if you had not posted your crap, I would let you satisfy me and get me into the mood lady friend, you and I would be alright, but no you had to stoop to a disgusting level. So you keep posting away to prove your point. As far as I'm concerned you have no class what so ever. You call yourself a woman, please. Run to Art.


          And I Danny have Spoken            




          If It Wasn't For Programs, I Would Be Dead .




          Danny Has Spoken And Shared The Love.



          I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it. I live for it.

          I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing. But I know more than All.

          Earth is the insane asylum for the universe.I have my own space.

          Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive. We all need programs of some kind..][/color]
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 07, 2010, 11:00:56 AM
          YAAAAWWWWNNNNNN
          Are you all better now Sharon.. Marky ?
          Maybe you should be a little nicer.
          Kharma is a bitch
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2010, 02:14:57 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          YAAAAWWWWNNNNNN
          Are you all better now Sharon.. Marky ?
          Maybe you should be a little nicer.
          Kharma is a bitch

          Oh Go Fuck Yourself Art, You live in an imaginary world realize it. :karma:  :karma:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 07, 2010, 02:42:31 PM
          Is Sharon having a bad day ?
          Does Sharon or Marky ever have a good day
          Or is this as good as it gets
          I want to feel sorry for you....
          But am gonna laugh at you instead
          You deserve no more pity beyond your obvious mental illness
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2010, 02:48:39 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Is Sharon having a bad day ?
          Does Sharon or Marky ever have a good day
          Or is this as good as it gets
          I want to feel sorry for you....
          But am gonna laugh at you instead
          You deserve no more pity beyond your obvious mental illness


            You are a stalker Art and are not happy unless your putting woman down some way.
          You should get a life and leave others alone you ass.You crave only negative attention and want all to bow to you. :fuckoff:  :karma:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2010, 04:01:24 PM

          Froderik wrote:
          Danny B II wrote:
          shaggys wrote:
          Danny B II wrote:
          shaggys wrote:
          This thread represents an inspired comic genius that is almost Andy Kaufman-ish in its grandeur. I salute the person who came up with this one. I would like to think that Barney Bennison helped run off Danny. We all owe a great debt of gratitude to the author of this thread.


          I think it was the mass scrambling of all of his post and no one knew if it was him or not,?? So he got frustrated and went away only to return as Super Troll   and posting pages of spam    every where.I don't know that he think all of us are that stupid,?? But maybe ??


          Your probably right about that, but I have to say it makes me sad that we didnt get to see Danny take on his brother Barney. I thought this thread had the potential to be one of the funniest ever. I almost wish Danny would make a reappearance just so his brother could rip him a new one.



          He is here, we just do not recognize him as Danny.
          He is traveling under Troll names and spamming everything , just look at some of the post.It is Danny alright but there is still Whooter.  


          So, I've got to ask this.. why the fuck do you confuse things further by calling yourself something he would call himself? How can anyone be sure you aren't him, (especially the new people here)?






          And That Will Be The Mystery.... I " Danny B II " Have Spoken....Not To Be Confused With Any " Danny B II " Impersonations. Nope,, I Am The Real Deal....

          Perhaps If You Read My Prolific Manifesto You Would Understand My Partial Hiding Here Under Many Names,,, To Steer Off My Predators And Weaker Foe.





          HA,HA That's all I will say,

          Read My Manifesto,,,





          My name is Daniel Bennison, I was in Elan from 6/75 till 1/77 as a resident and a employee from 1/77 till 11/78.

          I bring this up because of past and recent events and interactions with other residents. Guys this will be the last post I do to defend really (the indefensible) the abuse committed while I was affiliated with Elan. Whooter has informed me that he is writing a book and that I am in it on Chap. 5 because of abuses on committed at Elan while as a employee. This was my response to him after being told this,"I want you to quote this in your book. I did not say I did not abuse kids because I did as a resident and a employee. As a resident I fought in the ring for the house, screamed at folks during GM's, during a haircut, encounter groups and screamed at folks shot down while walking the house.As a employee I committed all of the abuse I mentioned above plus directed residents to verbally assault and demean residents. Did I physically abuse people, ? Yes. Now does this make me a better person then the next employee,? Yes it really does. All I am doing here is stating a fact."John has also taken the liberties of threatening me with exposer concerning accusations of abuse and that I had committed while staff, with 5 or more witnesses to these incidents.I don't think that you folks really want a all out war of words on this site but on the other hand I can see where it is constructive to have a resident call out a staff member of Elan who posts here, on supposed abuses. I don't mind that a book is being written about Elan and the abuses Staff committed. Just remember though I will not apologize to anyone for any abuses I did commit.There was enough bullshit that happened from 75-78 for me to have given a lifetime of nightmares to others, without anyone making me do something I truly don't mean. John says I was Staff/Ass.Director (E-7). I was staff/Ass.Director E-7 from 2/78 till 8/78, I transferred to a different position/different house till 11/78. I am curious as to how John knows I arrived at E-7 in 1978. Anyway I post here and I am open to conversation, you would think that John would use my information to his advantage, for he is also an abuser of others. there are also other staff and Ass. directors who have information that would help in exposing Elan, John and Felice are both frauds, As far as the dragging incident I am not nor will I be ashamed at programs and the courses it takes, I know that the once Fat Girl thanks me now. I will help any of you lose wight like here just call me,Now first off Felice is very well prepared for this sort of thing because she has been haunting this sites for over 10 years. The only thing one has to do is ask Felice about her family sibling, parents and children and you can see the abuse. Far after she left Elan and still present today. I will not get into specifics right now only to say her garbage is still going on. This is of her own making though she will blame everyone else a common trait of Art and herself. Then pick on other residents if their still not satisfied. Felice you are still very sick, you hang out with Art and you harass people. A nother side of Felice is her brilliance with Art, she is masterful, she also has great ability with filming herself in the wild, and last her passion is trolling survivor sites, Felice stay with your strengths and stop with the dirt business it is unbecoming of you, Felice is a much more horrible woman then any of us would dream of,That's right Felice and your still an idiot and maybe if you had not posted your crap, I would let you satisfy me and get me into the mood lady friend, you and I would be alright, but no you had to stoop to a disgusting level. So you keep posting away to prove your point. As far as I'm concerned you have no class what so ever. You call yourself a woman, please. Run to Art.


          And I Danny have Spoken




          If It Wasn't For Programs, I Would Be Dead .




          Danny Has Spoken And Shared The Love.



          I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it. I live for it.

          I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing. But I know more than All.

          Earth is the insane asylum for the universe.I have my own space.

          Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive. We all need programs of some kind..
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 07, 2010, 07:08:40 PM
          Quote from: "Good Point"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Is Sharon having a bad day ?
          Does Sharon or Marky ever have a good day
          Or is this as good as it gets
          I want to feel sorry for you....
          But am gonna laugh at you instead
          You deserve no more pity beyond your obvious mental illness


            You are a stalker Art and are not happy unless your putting woman down some way.
          You should get a life and leave others alone you ass.You crave only negative attention and want all to bow to you. :fuckoff:  :karma:
          Awwee sorry Sharon.. but it was an easy deduction. You see, only you and Marky spew hate,and stalk folks. PLUS.. Marky's audience has shrunk dramatically.. Its pretty much just the 3 of us. Kinda cozy,yet horrific. As you and Marky are both Loathed and Despised here. You 2 have single-handedly turned this into what it is today..
          USELESS
          Congrats .. Now all you have to do is Shut the fuck up.. and its all better
          But you cant.. Can you ?
          You really should look into the true definition of stalking. I dont recall 7-8 hatesites,phonecalls,lies,manipulations,and wild accusations.. but if I am wrong.. You should fill out a Police Report LOL. You are on a collision course with life. You are THE TRAINWRECK that everyone loves to see. Its just a matter of time until something horrible happens to you again. Horrible things happen to horrible people.
          Repeatedly...
           
          PS.. Pretending to be others only makes you look weak and dumb
          But if the shoe fits.....
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2010, 07:44:35 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "Good Point"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Is Sharon having a bad day ?
          Does Sharon or Marky ever have a good day
          Or is this as good as it gets
          I want to feel sorry for you....
          But am gonna laugh at you instead
          You deserve no more pity beyond your obvious mental illness


            You are a stalker Art and are not happy unless your putting woman down some way.
          You should get a life and leave others alone you ass.You crave only negative attention and want all to bow to you. :fuckoff:  :karma:
          Awwee sorry Sharon.. but it was an easy deduction. You see, only you and Marky spew hate,and stalk folks. PLUS.. Marky's audience has shrunk dramatically.. Its pretty much just the 3 of us. Kinda cozy,yet horrific. As you and Marky are both Loathed and Despised here. You 2 have single-handedly turned this into what it is today..
          USELESS
          Congrats .. Now all you have to do is Shut the fuck up.. and its all better
          But you cant.. Can you ?
          You really should look into the true definition of stalking. I dont recall 7-8 hatesites,phonecalls,lies,manipulations,and wild accusations.. but if I am wrong.. You should fill out a Police Report LOL. You are on a collision course with life. You are THE TRAINWRECK that everyone loves to see. Its just a matter of time until something horrible happens to you again. Horrible things happen to horrible people.
          Repeatedly...
           
          PS.. Pretending to be others only makes you look weak and dumb
          But if the shoe fits.....


          Now you wish more bad happens to me. You are very sick Art. :karma:  :karma:  :karma:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2010, 08:37:43 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "Good Point"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Is Sharon having a bad day ?
          Does Sharon or Marky ever have a good day
          Or is this as good as it gets
          I want to feel sorry for you....
          But am gonna laugh at you instead
          You deserve no more pity beyond your obvious mental illness


            You are a stalker Art and are not happy unless your putting woman down some way.
          You should get a life and leave others alone you ass.You crave only negative attention and want all to bow to you. :fuckoff:  :karma:
          Awwee sorry Sharon.. but it was an easy deduction. You see, only you and Marky spew hate,and stalk folks. PLUS.. Marky's audience has shrunk dramatically.. Its pretty much just the 3 of us. Kinda cozy,yet horrific. As you and Marky are both Loathed and Despised here. You 2 have single-handedly turned this into what it is today..
          USELESS
          Congrats .. Now all you have to do is Shut the fuck up.. and its all better
          But you cant.. Can you ?
          You really should look into the true definition of stalking. I dont recall 7-8 hatesites,phonecalls,lies,manipulations,and wild accusations.. but if I am wrong.. You should fill out a Police Report LOL. You are on a collision course with life. You are THE TRAINWRECK that everyone loves to see. Its just a matter of time until something horrible happens to you again. Horrible things happen to horrible people.
          Repeatedly...
           
          PS.. Pretending to be others only makes you look weak and dumb
          But if the shoe fits.....





          Read This You Fucking Ass-Hole Art



          Read My Manifesto,,,





          My name is Daniel Bennison, I was in Elan from 6/75 till 1/77 as a resident and a employee from 1/77 till 11/78.

          I bring this up because of past and recent events and interactions with other residents. Guys this will be the last post I do to defend really (the indefensible) the abuse committed while I was affiliated with Elan. Whooter has informed me that he is writing a book and that I am in it on Chap. 5 because of abuses on committed at Elan while as a employee. This was my response to him after being told this,"I want you to quote this in your book. I did not say I did not abuse kids because I did as a resident and a employee. As a resident I fought in the ring for the house, screamed at folks during GM's, during a haircut, encounter groups and screamed at folks shot down while walking the house.As a employee I committed all of the abuse I mentioned above plus directed residents to verbally assault and demean residents. Did I physically abuse people, ? Yes. Now does this make me a better person then the next employee,? Yes it really does. All I am doing here is stating a fact."John has also taken the liberties of threatening me with exposer concerning accusations of abuse and that I had committed while staff, with 5 or more witnesses to these incidents.I don't think that you folks really want a all out war of words on this site but on the other hand I can see where it is constructive to have a resident call out a staff member of Elan who posts here, on supposed abuses. I don't mind that a book is being written about Elan and the abuses Staff committed. Just remember though I will not apologize to anyone for any abuses I did commit.There was enough bullshit that happened from 75-78 for me to have given a lifetime of nightmares to others, without anyone making me do something I truly don't mean. John says I was Staff/Ass.Director (E-7). I was staff/Ass.Director E-7 from 2/78 till 8/78, I transferred to a different position/different house till 11/78. I am curious as to how John knows I arrived at E-7 in 1978. Anyway I post here and I am open to conversation, you would think that John would use my information to his advantage, for he is also an abuser of others. there are also other staff and Ass. directors who have information that would help in exposing Elan, John and Felice are both frauds, As far as the dragging incident I am not nor will I be ashamed at programs and the courses it takes, I know that the once Fat Girl thanks me now. I will help any of you lose wight like here just call me,Now first off Felice is very well prepared for this sort of thing because she has been haunting this sites for over 10 years. The only thing one has to do is ask Felice about her family sibling, parents and children and you can see the abuse. Far after she left Elan and still present today. I will not get into specifics right now only to say her garbage is still going on. This is of her own making though she will blame everyone else a common trait of Art and herself. Then pick on other residents if their still not satisfied. Felice you are still very sick, you hang out with Art and you harass people. A nother side of Felice is her brilliance with Art, she is masterful, she also has great ability with filming herself in the wild, and last her passion is trolling survivor sites, Felice stay with your strengths and stop with the dirt business it is unbecoming of you, Felice is a much more horrible woman then any of us would dream of,That's right Felice and your still an idiot and maybe if you had not posted your crap, I would let you satisfy me and get me into the mood lady friend, you and I would be alright, but no you had to stoop to a disgusting level. So you keep posting away to prove your point. As far as I'm concerned you have no class what so ever. You call yourself a woman, please. Run to Art.


          And I Danny have Spoken




          If It Wasn't For Programs, I Would Be Dead .




          Danny Has Spoken And Shared The Love.



          I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it. I live for it.

          I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing. But I know more than All.

          Earth is the insane asylum for the universe.I have my own space.

          Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive. We all need programs of some kind..


          And don't forget it you Mother Fucker. Art's Full Fledge Homo. Just Ask Jordan,,, :whip:  :whip:  :whip:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2010, 11:52:54 PM
          Hi my name is Art, and I want to make a documentary of elan.I want to make it out of experiences that I encountered there so I need to find someone to play the role of Marty Kruglik and anally invade me as what Marty did to me on numerous occassions at Elan.I did however find someone to play the role of Jeffery Gottlieb "Jordan", He agreed to let me suck his penis as like what I did to Jeffery Gottlieb, but who will be bold enough to play Marty for me? Maybe Joel Seymore. I'll tell you something, it aint such a easy life growing up a Gay Fat Jew in Skokie Il. I was beat up by the Jews and the Gentiles, I was the local punching dummy and cum catcher. My parents didn't even like me, well except for my Brother and Dad they played Ruff with me and tough me the ways of my new found Gay life.And I  thank them for that, ever stitch in my ass as a boy was worth it. :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :whip:  :whip:  :whip:  :whip:  :whip:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 08, 2010, 12:05:07 AM
          Good Point = multiple personalities.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 08, 2010, 12:17:59 AM
          Quote from: "Good Point"
          Hi my name is Art, and I want to make a documentary of elan.I want to make it out of experiences that I encountered there so I need to find someone to play the role of Marty Kruglik and anally invade me as what Marty did to me on numerous occassions at Elan.I did however find someone to play the role of Jeffery Gottlieb "Jordan", He agreed to let me suck his penis as like what I did to Jeffery Gottlieb, but who will be bold enough to play Marty for me? Maybe Joel Seymore. I'll tell you something, it aint such a easy life growing up a Gay Fat Jew in Skokie Il. I was beat up by the Jews and the Gentiles, I was the local punching dummy and cum catcher. My parents didn't even like me, well except for my Brother and Dad they played Ruff with me and tough me the ways of my new found Gay life.And I  thank them for that, ever stitch in my ass as a boy was worth it. :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :whip:  :whip:  :whip:  :whip:  :whip:

          This must be NAZI.    lol  :roflmao:    That or Mark babitz  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 08, 2010, 06:11:04 AM
          Now you wish more bad happens to me. You are very sick Art. :karma:  :karma:  :karma:[/quote]

          Doesnt matter what I wish for Shron
          Its your destiny ..You are a whacked out CUNT
          This is what whacked out CUNTS do
          This is what whacked out CUNTS get
          You pick a fight,then you get one,and your a victim again LOL
          Same rules apply to you as your partner
          STFU I go away
          You just cant do it... There no attention in shutting the fuck up
          Huh Sharon ?
          Must suck to be in a 40 something body,but operating with a 9 yr old's mind
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 08, 2010, 08:39:06 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Now you wish more bad happens to me. You are very sick Art. :karma:  :karma:  :karma:

          Doesnt matter what I wish for Shron
          Its your destiny ..You are a whacked out CUNT
          This is what whacked out CUNTS do
          This is what whacked out CUNTS get
          You pick a fight,then you get one,and your a victim again LOL
          Same rules apply to you as your partner
          STFU I go away
          You just cant do it... There no attention in shutting the fuck up
          Huh Sharon ?
          Must suck to be in a 40 something body,but operating with a 9 yr old's mind[/quote]


          Gee You Sure Are Ruff.


          You pick a fight,then you get one,and your a victim again LOL
          Same rules apply to you as your partner
          STFU I go away


          You are the one that will stop Fuck Stick you wont bully everyone Bitch.
          Do you think anyone takes you seriously Art,?? Ha Ha,  but you take us seriously. Thats why you CAN"T go away. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Fornits owns you Arty,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  and has for years.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 08, 2010, 08:52:57 AM
          Am sorry I made you cry,then throw up all over the board
          You should get some therapy, or just kill yourself
          Its a small world Sharon
          Alot of your former friends are my friends... They all say the same things about you
          Unsolicited
          Its really kinda sad that this is your life at 40
          Seems like the only place/time in your life that you did well
          Was in prison
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 08, 2010, 08:58:24 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Am sorry I made you cry,then throw up all over the board
          You should get some therapy, or just kill yourself
          Its a small world Sharon
          Alot of your former friends are my friends... They all say the same things about you
          Unsolicited
          Its really kinda sad that this is your life at 40
          Seems like the only place/time in your life that you did well
          Was in prison


            You will always be a victimizer Art and a very sick person.Why would you wish bad things to someones family,?? Because yours hates you.???? Or they hate you I am sorry.???  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 08, 2010, 10:00:33 AM
          You will always be a victimizer Art and a very sick person.Why would you wish bad things to someones family,?? Because yours hates you.???? Or they hate you I am sorry.???  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:[/quote]
           
          Thats means so much coming from the likes of you 2.
          I dont wish bad things on anyone. But its a matter of fact in life. You do people wrong,it comes back on you. I dunno about Marky's experience with Karma
          But Sharon had to lose a loved one. You'd think that would have taught a life lesson about being as asshole..
          and with your experience being an asshole.. Its a wonder that you still take in oxygen and nutrients
          You are both Careening through life on a collision course with everything and everyone
          All the other crap you post about me is just lies and your fecal,gay sex fantasies
          they couldnt make you look dumber. You must have tons of experience with both to provide the graphic details you have
          Go fuck yourself little girls
          Pretty proud of that Nazi Moniker huh Marky....
          Seek help
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on December 10, 2010, 01:59:42 PM
          Re: Barney Bennison
          by mark babitz » 1 minute ago

          liarsexposed wrote:
          Every time Sharon/Marky post this Danny #2 deal ,I have to stop,shake my head,and then laugh at them
          Danny,troll that he is,can at least spell and use propper punctuation
          Neither Sharon nor Marky can do that...
          Its the same mis-spelled words over and over. Same sentence structure. Same flooding of the board that we have seen them do time and time again.
          It leads me to believe, that along with the many screen names, and ugly words they use, to spew hate at others. Is all they have in their miserable little lives.
          Attention,even negative attention,is better than none at all
          I am not suprised....Just sayin
          Congrats on the baby you wont go see Sharon.. How low is that ?
          You give scumbag a new,and higher definition darlin !

          Hey Stupid,,!!!!
          You don't have to worry about turning Danny and me against each other Art, Neither one of like you to begin with. Think about that Stupid,,        Danny and me get along just fine and have a great relationship, But your welcome to light up the stage and make an ass out of yourself again.                Your so Stupid and just can't leave folks alone......  


          .
          PS. I don't think Danny is the one who's fire you want to light, Be careful don't get burnt Arty  :twofinger:  :suicide:  :flame:  :flame: , But then you like getting burnt :clown:  :flame:  :clown:  :flame:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 10, 2010, 04:37:17 PM
          You know Marky
          Last year,when I didnt know you were the author of so many nasty personal attacks against me and others,using anonymous postings and multiple screen names,I was concerned for my safety,and for that of my g/f and my animals. After months of BS that you created,then brought to Fornits. I have realized (as have several others) that you are nothing but a coward. Today I just laugh at you. In fact,I would bet that your "Views" in the forum are high because you are one funny fucker. In a trainwreck,horribly damaged kinda way. You definately have a comedic value that you bring to this cesspool. (good quality)
          My bad for not using the word "OR" in my previous post... As in you OR Sharon.
          But really,you are one in the same,so I wasnt too far off
          I extend my apologies for my lapse in writing.. I was kinda busy when I posted that
          However,the truth remains the truth
           
          "Neither one of like you to begin with."
           
          Neither of you can spell or punctuate
           
          As far as lighting a fire... Are you threatening me Marky ? Are you gonna use your very limited vocabulary and write something nasty ? I say do what you gotta do pal. Its you that will be laughed at,and seen as the disturbed Maggot bottom feeder that you are. As far as Danny is concerned,you make a good couple. Except Danny IS eductaed,can spell and punctuate. Tho he is probably hiding out as an anonymous troll,posting under a ficticious name,because he cant help himself.. Kinda like a couple others who are "Id Driven" and do not posess the ability to control themselves either. Here's the kicker about Danny.. I just dont fucking care.. Danny has earned himself a nice place in hell,right next to you and Sharon.
          I never participated in any of his bullshit,because Danny is overtly stupid. Most peolpe here recognized this from his first few posts.
          I am sorry I used all those big words today Marky. Maybe you can get someone with 40-50 IQ points higher to help you out.
          Have a  good weekend! (trolling an anonymous forum,pretending to be someone else)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on December 10, 2010, 07:10:05 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          You know Marky
          Last year,when I didnt know you were the author of so many nasty personal attacks against me and others,using anonymous postings and multiple screen names,I was concerned for my safety,and for that of my g/f and my animals. After months of BS that you created,then brought to Fornits. I have realized (as have several others) that you are nothing but a coward. Today I just laugh at you. In fact,I would bet that your "Views" in the forum are high because you are one funny fucker. In a trainwreck,horribly damaged kinda way. You definately have a comedic value that you bring to this cesspool. (good quality)
          My bad for not using the word "OR" in my previous post... As in you OR Sharon.
          But really,you are one in the same,so I wasnt too far off
          I extend my apologies for my lapse in writing.. I was kinda busy when I posted that
          However,the truth remains the truth
           
          "Neither one of like you to begin with."
           
          Neither of you can spell or punctuate
           
          As far as lighting a fire... Are you threatening me Marky ? Are you gonna use your very limited vocabulary and write something nasty ? I say do what you gotta do pal. Its you that will be laughed at,and seen as the disturbed Maggot bottom feeder that you are. As far as Danny is concerned,you make a good couple. Except Danny IS eductaed,can spell and punctuate. Tho he is probably hiding out as an anonymous troll,posting under a ficticious name,because he cant help himself.. Kinda like a couple others who are "Id Driven" and do not posess the ability to control themselves either. Here's the kicker about Danny.. I just dont fucking care.. Danny has earned himself a nice place in hell,right next to you and Sharon.
          I never participated in any of his bullshit,because Danny is overtly stupid. Most peolpe here recognized this from his first few posts.
          I am sorry I used all those big words today Marky. Maybe you can get someone with 40-50 IQ points higher to help you out.
          Have a  good weekend! (trolling an anonymous forum,pretending to be someone else)


          Oh Go Fuck Yourself Art,,,...
          I have spell check ass-hole,!!  so don't try and grade punctuation and spelling. your not that smart, STUPID, :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp: Your the" High Speed Troll " here " Arty "as far as threatening you,I would never do that, you would tell, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa: And have said you would, while you hide and yell crazy things from behind your fake door. :cheers:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 10, 2010, 08:48:41 PM
          I am sorry I made you cry  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:
          I AM that smart.
          I dont have a back door Marky. I am exactly what I say I am.
          You might try that    :nods:  :nods:
          Gimme a hug Marky !
           
           
           
            :lala:  :whip:  :whip:  :whip:  :whip:  :whip:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 10, 2010, 09:49:05 PM
          :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :spam:  :spam:  :spam:  :spam:  :spam:  :spam:  :spam:  :spam:  :spam:  :spam:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox: :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :boycott:  :boycott:  :boycott:  :boycott:  :boycott:  :boycott:  :boycott:  :boycott:  :boycott:  :boycott:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta: :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB II on December 10, 2010, 09:50:48 PM
          It has been a long time since I have posted here and as I can see no one missed me to much. The language is still at gutter level so this is still in check.
          Mark, Sharon, Felice, Barney and the impersonator of Danny (all the other aliases), Merry Christmas.
          Mark thanks for all your kind words.
          This will be the only place I will be posting from here on out. I think if I just focus my attention here maybe we can bring some positive attention back here on this Elan forum.
          I don't know if you folks have been reading over on the facebook Elan site but the action has been busy. Jeff has been extremely busy over there and can always use the help.
          The lastest document/testimony posted on the Elan forum was from a gentlemen from 1991, he ended up having to leave the country. Heretik posted it here on the Elan site a few days ago.
          Art, there is no problem between us and really never has been. Hope your family and yourself find much peace over the holidays and thereafter.
          Take care everyone.
          Danny :shamrock:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB II on December 10, 2010, 11:12:51 PM
          I think it would be so much more interesting if we all could discuss the events that happened within this story. Lets give it a try.
          I have been talking to fellow residents while I was away. If some of you remember Carmella go to facebook and say hi. Mark you should know her, if you need any help email me. Art you should also know her, if you knew Tom Agos you knew her. We were all in Elan 5 together at one time.

          Here is the info on this compelling story.

          Quote
          Heretik wrote:
          I did not go to Elan a friend of mine alerted me to this site. I have never seen it before (found it on the facebook Elan Site). Thought it would be of some use here.
          Check out the over 200 comments. (I did not post them here for longevity reasons)[/b]


          http://www.reddit.com/r/self/comments/e (http://www.reddit.com/r/self/comments/e) ... your_mind/

          DATE: Leaked documents which have been posted publicly for the first time EVER. These were written in 1991 by an author trying to expose the school. The author had to flee the country. All major points have been highlighted and set in larger type depending on the seriousness of the allegations. http://www.scribd.com/doc/44635665/Scribd (http://www.scribd.com/doc/44635665/Scribd)

          edit: to show double support, click here next

          summary- Google: the elan school (this will basically open Pandora's box)

          This place only still exist because so many people believe that it doesn't or that it can't. I believe that the internet is our #1 tool for exposing these horrid blind spots for what they are. Help me Reddit!

          I was sent to a place called The Elan School in 1998 and I was only 16. The scary thing is that Elan is still open, kids aged 13-20 are there right now. Normal kids, many whom may have smoked a joint or two, or who swore at their parents. Of course there were also real criminals there, but they did not make up the majority.

          The "school" accepted anyone and then held them as long as they possibly could depending on the age of the child. If you were sent at 14 (many were) you may have been looking at 3-4 years. This is because The Elan School collects $50,000 a year per child, either from the child's state, school, or parents. And, of course, money was the only motivation of the staff and directors. These were the people in charge of your "progress" in the program.

          I could write for hours about it, instead I ask you to skim the following bullet points and to understand that I am telling the truth.

          *

          We were forced to participate in staff-organized fight clubs, none of which were fair, all were designed to humiliate one child who would be put up against at least 3 others. So even the children who "followed the rules" were forced to fight: in the name of "good".
          *

          Children who tried to rebel or be free-thinking were thrown into an isolation room where they had to stay for months at a time, they had to sleep at night on a dirty mattress on the floor of the isolation room The mattress was brought to them at midnight and they were woken up around 7am.
          *

          We were all forced to perform in a ritual called a "General Meeting" where the entire house (60 or more boys and girls) screamed at one child who stood behind a broomstick. Many times they were forcibly held up by two other students so they would have to accept the punishment.
          *

          Education was considered a right, but those of us who earned the right were still robbed of an education. School was from 7pm-11pm: no homework, no test, no projects. Ex: math class consisted of grabbing a math book and handing the teacher at least one page of work.
          *

          The other 12 hours of the day consisted of constant conditioning and brainwashing. In the beginning you obviously rejected it, but then you would be "dealt with". You would not be able to rise through the ranks of the program to earn more 'rights' until you could prove yourself to be a good candidate for more brainwashing. Eventually it became your responsibility to begin indoctrinating the newer residents (basically you, six month earlier). You had Strength and Non-Strength. Non-Strength's were not allowed to talk, interact, or communicate in any way with other Non-Strengths. It took a minimum of 6 months to earn the title of "Strength". It took some kids years to earn "Strength". Some kids never did.
          *

          Elan made money based on the amount of time it took for you to graduate "the program". You had to have a minimum of 7 promotions before you were a candidate for "graduation". Each promotion took a minimum of 3 months, and 90% of the kids never made it past the 5th promotion. These kids had to wait until they turned 18 and could legally sign themselves out. Other kids stayed past their 18th birthday, which is a true testament to the effectiveness of the brainwashing, I remember one dude was 23.
          *

          Your level of high-school had no reflection whatsoever on your ability to leave Elan. I was forced to do my senior year of high school twice, even though I was technically done after the first senior year.
          *

          The staff members were primarily former students who were hired by Elan after graduating from the program. Many arrived in BMW's and clearly made 6 figure incomes. None of them had degree's in psychology, education, social work, etc... Many of them never went to college at all.
          *

          All outgoing letters to parents were screened, many of us having to write many different drafts until they were accepted. All phone calls to our parents were monitored, we were allowed about 15 minutes a week and the person who monitored the call would have their hand hovering over the hang-up button as a constant reminder of our reality.
          *

          We were not allowed to write or receive letters until we earned the right (this could take 8 months or more). When someone found out where I was and wrote me, my unopened letters were ripped up in front of me as motivation to move up in the program.

          I feel like I am beginning to write too much and I do not want to overwhelm anyone who made it this far. Because most of the bullet points honestly require further explanation to give the full impact of what Elan truly was.

          The most important thing that anyone can do is to be aware of this place and make sure that nobody you know ever gets sent there for any reason. If you are a parent then do not send your child there. If you know someone who is there now then beg the parents to do more research.

          The amount of suicides and tragic deaths of former Elan students is reason enough to take this post seriously.

          ***if you want to help then Google: the elan school.....dig through the links, learn about it, know that it exist

          please

          email: [email protected]

          Edit: And I started this IAMa to answer specific questions:

          Subscribe here for infrequent action alerts about the effort to close Elan.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: none-ya on December 10, 2010, 11:27:12 PM
          Iz dat really you?iz you you? lottsa youz around here. Got quite a few whos too. And a couple a whodats.
          NO manifesto no?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 11, 2010, 07:49:43 AM
          Art, there is no problem between us and really never has been. Hope your family and yourself find much peace over the holidays and thereafter.
          Thank you Danny
          I really havent too much to ad,so will make this short
          I dont care to read that nonsense about Elan. Its over,and it will be 30 years since I graduated from that place next week. There is a definate pattern that follows discussion about Elan. "The Derailers" Sharon and Marky always turn something of a serious nature into a personal attack on someone. Its as if, the very thought about Elan, drives them into a frenzy. I get it. I used to be the same way,many years ago. (never to the point that these 2 have taken it)
          They are SERIOUSLY DAMAGED goods. I pray for each of them every day. Thats the truth. But as you can see,it doesnt seem to do any good. Marky taught Sharon how to play troll.. Now thats her new game. Cuz to these 2,its ALL about the game.
          This is why there are no other survivors participating in this forum. Marky,Nazi,Reporter,Gary,Joe,Jeff,and a host of other ficticious screen names,have chased them off. Lets not forget Sharon and her brand of personal insanity.
          Dont have to believe me
          Look at every post that is of a serious nature... then see these 2 act-out and play the fool.
          Therefore I will just say happy holidays to you Danny,and call it good
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on December 11, 2010, 08:04:10 AM
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          I think it would be so much more interesting if we all could discuss the events that happened within this story. Lets give it a try.
          I have been talking to fellow residents while I was away. If some of you remember Carmella go to facebook and say hi. Mark you should know her, if you need any help email me. Art you should also know her, if you knew Tom Agos you knew her. We were all in Elan 5 together at one time.

          Here is the info on this compelling story.

          Quote
          Heretik wrote:
          I did not go to Elan a friend of mine alerted me to this site. I have never seen it before (found it on the facebook Elan Site). Thought it would be of some use here.
          Check out the over 200 comments. (I did not post them here for longevity reasons)[/b]


          http://www.reddit.com/r/self/comments/e (http://www.reddit.com/r/self/comments/e) ... your_mind/

          DATE: Leaked documents which have been posted publicly for the first time EVER. These were written in 1991 by an author trying to expose the school. The author had to flee the country. All major points have been highlighted and set in larger type depending on the seriousness of the allegations. http://www.scribd.com/doc/44635665/Scribd (http://www.scribd.com/doc/44635665/Scribd)

          edit: to show double support, click here next

          summary- Google: the elan school (this will basically open Pandora's box)

          This place only still exist because so many people believe that it doesn't or that it can't. I believe that the internet is our #1 tool for exposing these horrid blind spots for what they are. Help me Reddit!

          I was sent to a place called The Elan School in 1998 and I was only 16. The scary thing is that Elan is still open, kids aged 13-20 are there right now. Normal kids, many whom may have smoked a joint or two, or who swore at their parents. Of course there were also real criminals there, but they did not make up the majority.

          The "school" accepted anyone and then held them as long as they possibly could depending on the age of the child. If you were sent at 14 (many were) you may have been looking at 3-4 years. This is because The Elan School collects $50,000 a year per child, either from the child's state, school, or parents. And, of course, money was the only motivation of the staff and directors. These were the people in charge of your "progress" in the program.

          I could write for hours about it, instead I ask you to skim the following bullet points and to understand that I am telling the truth.

          *

          We were forced to participate in staff-organized fight clubs, none of which were fair, all were designed to humiliate one child who would be put up against at least 3 others. So even the children who "followed the rules" were forced to fight: in the name of "good".
          *

          Children who tried to rebel or be free-thinking were thrown into an isolation room where they had to stay for months at a time, they had to sleep at night on a dirty mattress on the floor of the isolation room The mattress was brought to them at midnight and they were woken up around 7am.
          *

          We were all forced to perform in a ritual called a "General Meeting" where the entire house (60 or more boys and girls) screamed at one child who stood behind a broomstick. Many times they were forcibly held up by two other students so they would have to accept the punishment.
          *

          Education was considered a right, but those of us who earned the right were still robbed of an education. School was from 7pm-11pm: no homework, no test, no projects. Ex: math class consisted of grabbing a math book and handing the teacher at least one page of work.
          *

          The other 12 hours of the day consisted of constant conditioning and brainwashing. In the beginning you obviously rejected it, but then you would be "dealt with". You would not be able to rise through the ranks of the program to earn more 'rights' until you could prove yourself to be a good candidate for more brainwashing. Eventually it became your responsibility to begin indoctrinating the newer residents (basically you, six month earlier). You had Strength and Non-Strength. Non-Strength's were not allowed to talk, interact, or communicate in any way with other Non-Strengths. It took a minimum of 6 months to earn the title of "Strength". It took some kids years to earn "Strength". Some kids never did.
          *

          Elan made money based on the amount of time it took for you to graduate "the program". You had to have a minimum of 7 promotions before you were a candidate for "graduation". Each promotion took a minimum of 3 months, and 90% of the kids never made it past the 5th promotion. These kids had to wait until they turned 18 and could legally sign themselves out. Other kids stayed past their 18th birthday, which is a true testament to the effectiveness of the brainwashing, I remember one dude was 23.
          *

          Your level of high-school had no reflection whatsoever on your ability to leave Elan. I was forced to do my senior year of high school twice, even though I was technically done after the first senior year.
          *

          The staff members were primarily former students who were hired by Elan after graduating from the program. Many arrived in BMW's and clearly made 6 figure incomes. None of them had degree's in psychology, education, social work, etc... Many of them never went to college at all.
          *

          All outgoing letters to parents were screened, many of us having to write many different drafts until they were accepted. All phone calls to our parents were monitored, we were allowed about 15 minutes a week and the person who monitored the call would have their hand hovering over the hang-up button as a constant reminder of our reality.
          *

          We were not allowed to write or receive letters until we earned the right (this could take 8 months or more). When someone found out where I was and wrote me, my unopened letters were ripped up in front of me as motivation to move up in the program.

          I feel like I am beginning to write too much and I do not want to overwhelm anyone who made it this far. Because most of the bullet points honestly require further explanation to give the full impact of what Elan truly was.

          The most important thing that anyone can do is to be aware of this place and make sure that nobody you know ever gets sent there for any reason. If you are a parent then do not send your child there. If you know someone who is there now then beg the parents to do more research.

          The amount of suicides and tragic deaths of former Elan students is reason enough to take this post seriously.

          ***if you want to help then Google: the elan school.....dig through the links, learn about it, know that it exist

          please

          email: [email protected]

          Edit: And I started this IAMa to answer specific questions:

          Subscribe here for infrequent action alerts about the effort to close Elan.


          Hi Danny, :rocker:  :rocker:  Thanks for checking in, I did talk to Carmella the other day, she is and was a nice person, We were in Parsonsfield together with Ray Messier and the rest.I got to tell you, it felt good to hear from her. We always got along very well and she went threw some real hells with Big Joe.

          I have found the Downs quit interesting to look at,they  are talking summer concerts etc, also the expatiation to Biddiford as new home for the track. I posted on FB, The address to Parsonsfiled, and directions on Bing Maps, they give a great photo of the hell hole. It's 423 Maplecrest Rd Parsonsfield, Maine. Looks allot the same but someone did buy it and plans to re-do the place.If they only knew what went on their, and maybe they heard but don't believe. After a TB center and Elan, the place has to be haunted.Especially the Basement. I think you know what I mean Danny,the rumor of the girl and Joe.
          I remember going down there a couple of times and there was a strange Ora.


          I would love to see the site go back to the beginnings and true conversation, you have a great idea and I am in for sure.Talk at you later Danny, :rocker:  :rocker:  Mark B. :rocker:  :rocker:



          PS. Art is still in rare form, but funny to read, :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: .


           by liarsexposed » 10 minutes ago

          Art, there is no problem between us and really never has been. Hope your family and yourself find much peace over the holidays and thereafter.
          Thank you Danny
          I really havent too much to ad,so will make this short
          I dont care to read that nonsense about Elan. Its over,and it will be 30 years since I graduated from that place next week. There is a definate pattern that follows discussion about Elan. "The Derailers" Sharon and Marky always turn something of a serious nature into a personal attack on someone. Its as if, the very thought about Elan, drives them into a frenzy. I get it. I used to be the same way,many years ago. (never to the point that these 2 have taken it)
          They are SERIOUSLY DAMAGED goods. I pray for each of them every day. Thats the truth. But as you can see,it doesnt seem to do any good. Marky taught Sharon how to play troll.. Now thats her new game. Cuz to these 2,its ALL about the game.
          This is why there are no other survivors participating in this forum. Marky,Nazi,Reporter,Gary,Joe,Jeff,and a host of other ficticious screen names,have chased them off. Lets not forget Sharon and her brand of personal insanity.
          Dont have to believe me
          Look at every post that is of a serious nature... then see these 2 act-out and play the fool.
          Therefore I will just say happy holidays to you Danny,and call it good.


           :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 11, 2010, 08:16:52 AM
          Thanks for making my point Marky
          all thats needed now,is a discussion about your Fecal Fantasies and Anal Sex with animals and sex toys
          then it will be illistrated perfectly
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on December 11, 2010, 08:27:20 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Thanks for making my point Marky
          all thats needed now,is a discussion about your Fecal Fantasies and Anal Sex with animals and sex toys
          then it will be illistrated perfectly

          You are the perfect illustration of a fool and stalker and abuser,Go away Art, :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:

          PS. { Illustrated } stupid not { Illistrated } A "U" Not a " I " after the double LL's," I L L U S T R AT E D ", Ok Dummy.??  The great spell check God. :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on December 11, 2010, 08:39:49 AM
          Great find Danny,  unbelievable info, well believable,, but shocking to see it was written down somewhere,


          DATE: Leaked documents which have been posted publicly for the first time EVER. These were written in 1991 by an author trying to expose the school. The author had to flee the country. All major points have been highlighted and set in larger type depending on the seriousness of the allegations. http://www.scribd.com/doc/44635665/Scribd (http://www.scribd.com/doc/44635665/Scribd)



          I will read into it more and see what I can find outside of it, ever story always has more, when the story is read closely. Thanks Danny,  :peace:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on December 11, 2010, 08:54:09 AM
          Dr Lowell C Barns. Owner of Sebago. Photo's of the building before it burnt on page 103 of the article, Dr Barns in first photo. The building looked beautifully set on the property, It also mentions the fire and Elan in the photo. Barns lived from 1924-1995


          http://books.google.com/books?id=vrMpnt ... CC0Q6AEwAw (http://books.google.com/books?id=vrMpntzqp6gC&pg=PA84&lpg=PA84&dq=dr+barnes+sebago+maine&source=bl&ots=wgzOAnOC0G&sig=8DIhx_i-E_4oPT6_QqirQiL7NdE&hl=en&ei=_H8DTYDNIcS0nAf0y8DlDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAw)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on December 11, 2010, 09:09:48 AM
          Poland Springs when it was a Lodge. Saul Feldman was a big deal around Poland Springs in the day,Elan bought the property from a a family named Mac Kerron


          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=n ... Kyt_YaMolQ (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=news&cd=2&ved=0CDQQqQIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fid%3DyEEpAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DrWYFAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D2798%2C4158364%26dq%3Dpoland%2Bsprings%2Bkings%2Blodges%2Bmaine%26hl%3Den&ei=v4QDTbnYH82Wnwe_15zlDQ&usg=AFQjCNFzlIng3oiRbfhUmZm0Kyt_YaMolQ)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 11, 2010, 09:39:59 AM
          aawwweeee
          i made marky cry againl
          the spelling nazi is an uneducated fool,acting out cuz he has been exposed
          again
          so sorry marky
          if you arent proud of what you post...why do it ?
          oh i get it
          if you sign in as someone else.. you are safe
          guess what marky
          everyone who reads your drivel knows who the true autbor is
          its either you or your pal
          nobody else posts here
          youve seen to that
          lol
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB II on December 11, 2010, 06:11:11 PM
          Duplicate..
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB II on December 11, 2010, 06:12:18 PM
          @Art, hope you can find it possible to connect again with Elan.

          @Mark, man it was amazing to talk with Carmella again. Last I saw of her was in the early summer of 1979 (out in the parking lot of Elan 5) she was with Tom Agos. (What a sick fuck he was, he hurt her bad.) Anyway we have talked a lot lately.
          I didn't know Carmella, Raymond and yourself were in Elan 4 together. I remember Raymond Messerier very well. What Elan did to this guy was just criminal. He went into the ring so many times the structure of his face was distorted. The man was slow and as close to having downs as you could come.
          Carmella was in E-5 when I got there in 11/75 I think. We were there together for a year at E-5.
          Mark I knew if we gave it some time we would find people that we both knew and my existence would be verified.  I mean we were both there at the same time just in different locations.
          I thank you for wanting to look into the story I posted. This story captures the pure sickness of Joe and his creation. This/That is the Joe I knew. I watched him disrespect Sherry (his wife at the time) right in front of the whole house at Elan 5 once, including her sister Julie. This dude was fucked up.
          Take care...
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB II on December 11, 2010, 06:15:50 PM
          Quote from: "none-ya"
          Iz dat really you?iz you you? lottsa youz around here. Got quite a few whos too. And a couple a whodats.
          NO manifesto no?

          I don't know if you really give a shit but yeah it's me. The real deal.
          So what's up old man, I see your still of the living, good to see this.
          Hope everything is going well.
          If your play'in gui'tar then you'r liv'in.

          Adios Amigo...
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 11, 2010, 07:25:08 PM
          Danny
          I was never disconnected from Elan. Only the crazy people. I have many friends from elan,but we do not talk about Elan very often. We have been friends for over 30 years. Elan is in the past,and we choose not to live that pain over and over. Instead we choose to love one another. I probably talk to or see 8-10 people from Elan all the time. We are good friends and when needed,count on one another. In July they will all be here,again,as they have since I started throwing this July 4th party. One is riding his Harley from Vancouver. Another is flying in from Va (been here 4 years in a row). Another will be coming from S America. These and many others, are my core group of friends,and we love eachother unconditionally.
          But do we talk about how horrible Elan was ? Not at all.Tho sometimes we laugh about it.
          What is posted here,what happens here,and those who participate are from a place I seldom go. They are still IN Elan,and it sad. We can just cut each other to pieces and for what ? Nothing good comes from this. Some of it just amazes me.
          This year I am responsible for some of that,but for many years passed I have been uninterested in Fornits,or Elan. I only returned here to defend myself from tweedle dee and tweedle dumb. That seemed to work out real good too. I should have ignored them and just prayed. Hindsight is 20/20
          In fact,answer this for me. What could "we" accomplish here ? Awareness ? google the elan School and alot of negative stuff comes up.. ok so not awareness... Closure ? If this is who Marky and Sharon are,after dozens of years away.. I dont think there is any closure for them,and many others I see who are imbedded here @ Fornits. I have come to realize that by participating in this cesspool of mental illness, I become one of them. Truthfully,nothing there to be proud of. You have seen the conduct and sickness that is Mark and Sharon.. You have probably seen some of mine too.
          I am about done here. Im sure Mark will bait me into coming back now and then,because there really is noone else to fight with. Sharon.. Well,she will fight with anyone,for anything,at any time.
          I really do think I am better than this. I intend to prove it. Only not here
          Danny
          If you find yourself alone for July 4th. You know where Im at,and will probably know several of the people. Please come and celebrate the holiday with my family. You are a pain in the ass,but I like ya
          Art
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: none-ya on December 11, 2010, 07:42:08 PM
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          Quote from: "none-ya"
          Iz dat really you?iz you you? lottsa youz around here. Got quite a few whos too. And a couple a whodats.
          NO manifesto no?

          I don't know if you really give a shit but yeah it's me. The real deal.
          So what's up old man, I see your still of the living, good to see this.
          Hope everything is going well.
          If your play'in gui'tar then you'r liv'in.

          Adios Amigo...

          Yes i'm still alive with a rather large hole in my chest. But i've started to practice again with the boys. Feels good,but I tire easily.  I don't want to muck up your elan thread, just welcome back.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on December 12, 2010, 10:12:55 AM
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          @Art, hope you can find it possible to connect again with Elan.

          @Mark, man it was amazing to talk with Carmella again. Last I saw of her was in the early summer of 1979 (out in the parking lot of Elan 5) she was with Tom Agos. (What a sick fuck he was, he hurt her bad.) Anyway we have talked a lot lately.
          I didn't know Carmella, Raymond and yourself were in Elan 4 together. I remember Raymond Messerier very well. What Elan did to this guy was just criminal. He went into the ring so many times the structure of his face was distorted. The man was slow and as close to having downs as you could come.
          Carmella was in E-5 when I got there in 11/75 I think. We were there together for a year at E-5.
          Mark I knew if we gave it some time we would find people that we both knew and my existence would be verified.  I mean we were both there at the same time just in different locations.
          I thank you for wanting to look into the story I posted. This story captures the pure sickness of Joe and his creation. This/That is the Joe I knew. I watched him disrespect Sherry (his wife at the time) right in front of the whole house at Elan 5 once, including her sister Julie. This dude was fucked up.
          Take care...


          Raymond was a good guy and yes he had some real problems there, I remember he would stick paper clips in his arm hoping he would cause himself to go to the hosp. He would try and get them into his veins.
          I felt real bad for him and he did get a raw deal there. He was a car thief from Boston, I called him Popper, Which is someone who pops ignitions on cars with a dent puller.We had a major" Negativity Contract", :rofl: And would talk for hours and hours. I hope things turned around in his life.He was a good person inside. :peace:

          Tom Agos:
          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... Egsyrjn5ZQ (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CDYQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theblueline.com%2Faboutus.html&ei=AOAETeW1G5KqngeSlOzlDQ&usg=AFQjCNEWvpfNqjAjUVJPlJ2oEgsyrjn5ZQ)

          He is Cop In Gurnee Il, and loving making people life's miserable.

          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=n ... lSGFNNqjGw (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=news&cd=1&ved=0CCQQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdocs.newsbank.com%2Fg%2FGooglePM%2FGURB%2Flib00924%2C111F2458B069D838.html&ei=N-IETb6mHtGbnwe4gunlDQ&usg=AFQjCNHH2-Mij7JipuHtRItulSGFNNqjGw)

          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... U4R7rVbGeA (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fpub%2Fthomas-agos%2Fb%2Fa1%2F193&ei=v-IETYLAGarSnAes1KzlDQ&usg=AFQjCNHTGWcSI3EDEgPlhDoaU4R7rVbGeA)


          What a prince of a guy, the one you see in your rear view mirror and panic. He is on of those guys who do and set up the road checks etc here in Il. They like that in this state, great revenue,I have a friend who was stopped a couple of years ago, and got an open alcohol charge for a bottle in the truck that was open with some other gifts.The hell of it was,  the guy didn't even drink, it was a gift for his wife and they were on their way home. It was so outrageous it was in the  paper.Tom is and wasn't a nice man, Elan made him ready for what he loves to do, and thats fuck with others.He is the Pan Face Marty, of the local PD.

          I think time has proven, we do know allot of the same folks Danny, Look at your FB friends list,,As I have said before, Elan doesn't want us together,or Jeff. Are treasonous ways scare them to death, and they relies we know what we are talking about and can fuel fires in others and cause them nothing but bad publicity.


          Many of Jeff's photo's are ones I found and collected, Together we are a group to be reckoned with. :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 12, 2010, 02:59:30 PM
          The Derailers" Sharon and Marky always turn something of a serious nature into a personal attack on someone.
           
          Here's Marky ILLUSTRATING my very point
          Does Marky know Tom ? Doubt it
          Has Marky ever met Tom ? Doubt that too
          Will Marky publically smear someone for his own personal satisfaction ?
          UBETCHA = 1st hand knowledge of this
          Wonder why Marky would do this over and over,almost every day....... :deal:
           :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:
          As someone frequently says ... BUSTED!
          I knew you couldnt control yourself. Especially with Danny as your audience
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on December 12, 2010, 09:48:31 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          The Derailers" Sharon and Marky always turn something of a serious nature into a personal attack on someone.
           
          Here's Marky ILLUSTRATING my very point
          Does Marky know Tom ? Doubt it
          Has Marky ever met Tom ? Doubt that too
          Will Marky publically smear someone for his own personal satisfaction ?
          UBETCHA = 1st hand knowledge of this
          Wonder why Marky would do this over and over,almost every day....... :deal:
           :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:
          As someone frequently says ... BUSTED!
          I knew you couldnt control yourself. Especially with Danny as your audience

          Hey !!!! Stupid he was there from 74-78, I was there from 1/1/74-2/2/75, I probably did bump into him a time or two Stupid. And yes I knew him and what kind of person he was. And he was  hostel and hard to get along with, very condescending.

          So as usual, Go Fuck Yourself Art. I was in Elan when a coward like you Art, would have hung themselves.You truly have know Idea who or what your talking about among the older survivors, of the beginnings of Elan in it's first years.. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 13, 2010, 06:52:10 AM
          Wow Marky
          Hostel ?
          I believe its Hostile. .But you knew that Im sure,cuz you "always use spellcheck".
          Yer busted Marky. Why dont you slither back under that rock in which you came from and kill yourself.
          Oh .. and as for the beginnings of Elan. I really dont give a fuck,nor does anyone else. The only new person semi-involved is Danny. Everyone else has left due to your fucked up attitude and personal attacks. Your views are way down. You havent much of an audience anymore unless you count the gawkers.. They just come to read the Trainwreck that IS Marky Babbletits,but never respond/post.. Gee.. I wonder why
          Christ its 35 years for you, and you are as sick as day one. Maybe you should see somone about your illness
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 13, 2010, 07:08:41 AM
          :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :spam:  :spam:  :spam:  :spam:  :spam:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :jerry:  :jerry:  :jerry:  :jerry:  :jerry:  ::poke::  ::poke::  ::poke::  ::poke::  ::poke::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  :ftard:  :ftard:  :ftard:  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :on phone:  :on phone:  :on phone:  :on phone:  :on phone:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers: :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox: :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on December 13, 2010, 08:47:46 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Wow Marky
          Hostel ?
          I believe its Hostile. .But you knew that Im sure,cuz you "always use spellcheck".
          Yer busted Marky. Why dont you slither back under that rock in which you came from and kill yourself.
          Oh .. and as for the beginnings of Elan. I really dont give a fuck,nor does anyone else. The only new person semi-involved is Danny. Everyone else has left due to your fucked up attitude and personal attacks. Your views are way down. You havent much of an audience anymore unless you count the gawkers.. They just come to read the Trainwreck that IS Marky Babbletits,but never respond/post.. Gee.. I wonder why
          Christ its 35 years for you, and you are as sick as day one. Maybe you should see somone about your illness

          Don't you ever Stop,,???  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on December 13, 2010, 08:52:32 AM
          I see you slithering around Farty, :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on December 13, 2010, 08:56:04 AM
          Come on say something intelligent like always, You know you have to have the last word Arty. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 13, 2010, 08:58:59 AM
          Am I buggin you Marky ?
          Funny I asked the same of you and this was your response
          Art Warshawsky  
          I dont know who you are. I dont care to participate in your web forum,and I would like my pics removed.
           
          Hi Arty just talk to Sharon and she said you had objections to your photo. Is there bad light in the pic, you look great. Sharon said your and old friend and I remember you from Elan so no harm no foul. Keep the photos coming Bro. You look great and please join eather one of our sites. I thank Tim & Sharon for being great partners and friends. thanks for posting on our site. Peace Love Mark
           
          Why didnt you stop Marky ?
          Why are you STILL playing this game Marky ?
          Sorry the truth hurts your little feelers.
           :deal:
          You know us Jewish people..We dont forget,let alone forgive.
          Eye for an eye,tooth for a tooth
          One good fuck deserves another
          You shouldnt fuck with people Marky.  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 13, 2010, 09:25:10 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Am I buggin you Marky ?
          Funny I asked the same of you and this was your response
          Art Warshawsky  
          I dont know who you are. I dont care to participate in your web forum,and I would like my pics removed.
           
          Hi Arty just talk to Sharon and she said you had objections to your photo. Is there bad light in the pic, you look great. Sharon said your and old friend and I remember you from Elan so no harm no foul. Keep the photos coming Bro. You look great and please join eather one of our sites. I thank Tim & Sharon for being great partners and friends. thanks for posting on our site. Peace Love Mark
           
          Why didnt you stop Marky ?
          Why are you STILL playing this game Marky ?
          Sorry the truth hurts your little feelers.
           :deal:
          You know us Jewish people..We dont forget,let alone forgive.
          Eye for an eye,tooth for a tooth
          One good fuck deserves another
          You shouldnt fuck with people Marky.  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:


          You never answered the question,???
          Was there bad light in the photo,?? :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl: Your pic  ::puke::  is still in Photo Bucket, why would you leave it there,,, if your embarrassed,?? :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 13, 2010, 09:55:45 AM
          Poor Sharon.. No attention for you till now
          Dont tell me you or Marky ran out of COCK to suck ....
          How about
          I dont care girls....
          Was there some purpose for your post ? You illiterate little girls
          Try not to be So Hostel ! LOL
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 13, 2010, 04:37:08 PM
          :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :birthday:  :birthday:  :rasta:  :spam:  :spam:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :flame:  :flame:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 13, 2010, 05:41:52 PM
          Sorry I made you cry some more
          Here's some attention
          Are you all better now Marky OR Sharon
          You are the only 2 that post here
          You've both seen to that
          You must be very proud of your yourselves
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 13, 2010, 06:19:10 PM
          :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger: :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 13, 2010, 06:33:05 PM
          There there little girls
          its gonna be ok
          Someone will talk to you and give you attention
          when I cant
          Even big girls like you have to cry
          Make a sign.. put it on your house
          FREE BLOWJOBS
          You'll get some attention
          nite nite
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 13, 2010, 09:14:52 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          There there little girls
          its gonna be ok
          Someone will talk to you and give you attention
          when I cant
          Even big girls like you have to cry
          Make a sign.. put it on your house
          FREE BLOWJOBS
          You'll get some attention
          nite nite
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 13, 2010, 09:15:31 PM
          Quote from: "liersexposed"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          There there little girls
          its gonna be ok
          Someone will talk to you and give you attention
          when I cant
          Even big girls like you have to cry
          Make a sign.. put it on your house
          FREE BLOWJOBS
          You'll get some attention
          nite nite
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 14, 2010, 01:47:58 AM
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          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 14, 2010, 06:55:48 AM
          Still crying ? Over little ole me ?
          What a shame
          Perhaps you should see someone over your obsession with me
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 14, 2010, 08:40:48 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Still crying ? Over little ole me ?
          What a shame
          Perhaps you should see someone over your obsession with me
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 14, 2010, 08:41:19 AM
          Quote from: "liersexposed"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Still crying ? Over little ole me ?
          What a shame
          Perhaps you should see someone over your obsession with me
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 14, 2010, 08:41:44 AM
          Quote from: "liersexposed"
          Quote from: "liersexposed"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Still crying ? Over little ole me ?
          What a shame
          Perhaps you should see someone over your obsession with me
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 14, 2010, 08:55:29 AM
          LOL
          Thats very cute Sharon OR Marky
          If you were like 12
          You poor thing
          This is what you 2 have been reduced to ?
          LOOOOOOOOL
          Thanks for the laughs!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on December 14, 2010, 11:18:36 AM
          Great articles on Elan.

          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... etFOoBa8Gw (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&sqi=2&ved=0CBsQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fallisbrawl.com%2Fblogpost.aspx%3Fid%3D94322&ei=VJIHTZ3cLYW8sQPK4IH7DQ&usg=AFQjCNGQ2QG1huTPY_aclx2qetFOoBa8Gw)
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          Post by: mark babitz on December 14, 2010, 11:27:01 AM
          Even skimming this post once will blow your mind, most probably think thats its made up but you would be dead wrong (self.self)
          submitted 17 days ago by Gzasmyhero
          summary- Google: the elan school (this will basically open Pandora's box)
          This place only still exist because so many people believe that it doesn't or that it can't. I believe that the internet is our #1 tool for exposing these horrid blind spots for what they are. Help me Reddit!
          I was sent to a place called The Elan School in 1998 and I was only 16. The scary thing is that Elan is still open, kids aged 13-20 are there right now. Normal kids, many whom may have smoked a joint or two, or who swore at their parents. Of course there were also real criminals there, but they did not make up the majority.
          The "school" accepted anyone and then held them as long as they possibly could depending on the age of the child. If you were sent at 14 (many were) you may have been looking at 3-4 years. This is because The Elan School collects $50,000 a year per child, either from the child's state, school, or parents. And, of course, money was the only motivation of the staff and directors. These were the people in charge of your "progress" in the program.
          I could write for hours about it, instead I ask you to skim the following bullet points and to understand that I am telling the truth.
          We were forced to participate in staff-organized fight clubs, none of which were fair, all were designed to humiliate one child who would be put up against at least 3 others. So even the children who "followed the rules" were forced to fight: in the name of "good".
          Children who tried to rebel or be free-thinking were thrown into an isolation room where they had to stay for months at a time, they had to sleep at night on a dirty mattress on the floor of the isolation room The mattress was brought to them at midnight and they were woken up around 7am.
          We were all forced to perform in a ritual called a "General Meeting" where the entire house (60 or more boys and girls) screamed at one child who stood behind a broomstick. Many times they were forcibly held up by two other students so they would have to accept the punishment.
          Education was considered a right, but those of us who earned the right were still robbed of an education. School was from 7pm-11pm: no homework, no test, no projects. Ex: math class consisted of grabbing a math book and handing the teacher at least one page of work.
          The other 12 hours of the day consisted of constant conditioning and brainwashing. In the beginning you obviously rejected it, but then you would be "dealt with". You would not be able to rise through the ranks of the program to earn more 'rights' until you could prove yourself to be a good candidate for more brainwashing. Eventually it became your responsibility to begin indoctrinating the newer residents (basically you, six month earlier). You had Strength and Non-Strength. Non-Strength's were not allowed to talk, interact, or communicate in any way with other Non-Strengths. It took a minimum of 6 months to earn the title of "Strength". It took some kids years to earn "Strength". Some kids never did.
          Elan made money based on the amount of time it took for you to graduate "the program". You had to have a minimum of 7 promotions before you were a candidate for "graduation". Each promotion took a minimum of 3 months, and 90% of the kids never made it past the 5th promotion. These kids had to wait until they turned 18 and could legally sign themselves out. Other kids stayed past their 18th birthday, which is a true testament to the effectiveness of the brainwashing, I remember one dude was 23.
          Your level of high-school had no reflection whatsoever on your ability to leave Elan. I was forced to do my senior year of high school twice, even though I was technically done after the first senior year.
          The staff members were primarily former students who were hired by Elan after graduating from the program. Many arrived in BMW's and clearly made 6 figure incomes. None of them had degree's in psychology, education, social work, etc... Many of them never went to college at all.
          All outgoing letters to parents were screened, many of us having to write many different drafts until they were accepted. All phone calls to our parents were monitored, we were allowed about 15 minutes a week and the person who monitored the call would have their hand hovering over the hang-up button as a constant reminder of our reality.
          We were not allowed to write or receive letters until we earned the right (this could take 8 months or more). When someone found out where I was and wrote me, my unopened letters were ripped up in front of me as motivation to move up in the program.
          I feel like I am beginning to write too much and I do not want to overwhelm anyone who made it this far. Because most of the bullet points honestly require further explanation to give the full impact of what Elan truly was.
          The most important thing that anyone can do is to be aware of this place and make sure that nobody you know ever gets sent there for any reason. If you are a parent then do not send your child there. If you know someone who is there now then beg the parents to do more research.
          The amount of suicides and tragic deaths of former Elan students is reason enough to take this post seriously.
          ***if you want to help then Google: the elan school.....dig through the links, learn about it, know that it exist
          please
          email: http://www.scribd.com/doc/44635665/Scribd (http://www.scribd.com/doc/44635665/Scribd)
          to show double support, click here next
          Edit: And I started this IAMa to answer specific questions:
          Subscribe here for infrequent action alerts about the effort to close Elan.
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          kelou4 576 points 17 days ago[-]
          At first I was like "Pff. Nice scare story." Then I actually did some legwork, and found it confirmed by a few articles. (Including New York times and a few other reliable sources ) I looked on Snopes, and didn't find anything.
          I say we, as a group, send urgent letters to CPS, and the senators of Maine, whoever is there that can investigate this further. Perhaps there is someone in Maine who can drive up there and get some pictures, or testimonies? The place exists, now its just a matter of finding out exactly what goes on in there, for sure.
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          antifolkhero 75 points 17 days ago[-]
          This is another good source: elanschool.org.
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          howitzer86 44 points 17 days ago[-]
          From reading this:
          "I recently received a phone call from a local contractor who I have done business with over the years. He was called by Elan to evaluate/repair a variety of problems throughout the complex. He could not believe the condition of the facility, explaining its rundown condition and comparing it to a shantytown ... I learned that the Poland complex need for repair exceeds the value of the property. This, coupled with a score of existing liens from suppliers and contractors seeking payment, has the Poland property stalled in court. The real estate industry calls this type of property a white elephant.
          This has already affected the resident population as parents who visit expect better conditions for their 50K. It was trendy to get well in log cabins in the 1970s, but not in the '00s when you market yourself as a private school for college-bound kids. Factor into this the incredibly bad press Elan has absorbed of late, and there you have a real mess.
          I expect a slow demise for the Elan School. The gross mismanagement of the facility on a business level has them ankle deep in red ink. I predict that Elan will slowly gear down toward a scheduled date to close. The current owners will liquidate everything and retire."
          It's good to know Elan School's days are numbered.
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          nrfx 33 points 17 days ago[-]
          It's good to know Elan School's days are numbered.
          It is, but its also pretty disturbing that the owners will get away with it, and will continue to profit off of it.
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          bluuuuuuuuuuuuuueeee 44 points 17 days ago[-]
          I think the thing that would really help to bring this problem to our nation's attention is if somebody does a documentary on this school (a good one, so it can get into festivals and actually get the word out-- I know. Not easy. But it's a damn interesting subject and it probably would help). It's crazy how The New York Times and other very reliable papers and whatnot can print articles on this, but still it's hardly known about. There needs to be a better method of getting the word out on this one, because this is just fucked up and should not be happening.
          OP:
          I'm very sorry for what you have been put through. Nobody should have to deal with that, but I'm sure you're going to be a stronger person than us all for making it through such a horrific experience. Stay strong, pal!
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          Meincraft 135 points 17 days ago[-]
          This is one of those occasions where I wish Cryptome or Wikileaks would expose these bastards and the lack of action being undertaken by state officials.
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          zanyzebra 286 points 17 days ago[-]
          Cryptome or Wikileaks have nothing to do with this - this is publicly known information. The media should be reporting on this, but OOH LOOK AT THE PUPPY SWIMMING!!!
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          jorick 53 points 17 days ago[-]
          while something could be said about the sad state of the current media or its consumers (and, for that matter, the cuteness of the aforementioned puppy), i feel it is detracting from the main point of focus here.
          I for one would love to see redditors investigate this further and perhaps even change the situation.
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          TheVanityShow 141 points 17 days ago[-]
          cat pictures will get more upvotes than this post... sad, sad world.
          and just so this comment gets burried... fuck your cats.
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          hamo_bu1234 56 points 17 days ago[-]
          Boy were you proven wrong.
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          lotkrotan 15 points 17 days ago[-]
          I live in maine, what can I do to help?
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          RadOwl 27 points 16 days ago[-]
          lotkrotan, here are some things you can do as a resident of Maine:
          Find out how Elan is licensed -- what state agency is in charge of schools like Elan, and how are the professionals who work there certified? There are probably staff psychologists, counselors, and teachers. I found this link for shrinks in Maine: http://www.maine.gov/pfr/professionalli ... logist.htm (http://www.maine.gov/pfr/professionallicensing/professions/psychologists/psychologist.htm)
          See if you, as a resident, can file a complaint or make some kind of statement for the record questioning the conditions these professionals work in. Here are one of the requirements for licensing as a psychologist in Maine: "Demonstrate that you are trustworthy and competent to engage in the practice of psychology as to safeguard the interests of the public." From what I've read in this post and the discussion, Elan's psychologists are not safeguarding the public interest.
          Next, find out who represents Elan's voting districts like state House and Senate, and Federal-level offices. Write to them; ask for an immediate investigation. Use the media links provided in this discussion for background. Get responses for the record and blog about it.
          Contact Maine's most famous resident, Stephen King, through his Website and ask him to get involved. People who write about the horrors that people can inflict on each other are often very sensitive to real-life cases. Elan sounds like something dreamed up by a horror novelist. Well, to combat something like that, call in a horror novelist. It's off-the-wall, but if it works, would be the best thing that we could hope for, because Mr. King has resources we don't and IS a state resident.
          As a general idea, I suggest some Google Bombs are in order. The top search rankings for Elan in Maine -- assuming these allegations against the school are correct -- should link to pages warning against sending children there. We need a search specialist and someone with 10,000-or-so Facebook friends to take this task. Volunteers?
          There's more we can do, especially if Elan gets public funds -- then there's a LOT we can do. I'll wait to see how the discussion goes before making more suggestions. I was in a place like Elan as a teenager, except the staff there were really trying to help some troubled kids. Abusing that trust to help instead of harm is reprehensible. Team Reddit, you know what to do.
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          GodisScottCard 10 points 17 days ago[-]
          I live in Maine, about 45 minutes from this place. I could take some pictures, but what should I do to avoid getting in trouble? A twenty year old woman with a camera might be sort of conspicuous.
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          Philanthropi 208 points 17 days ago[-]
          1 why were you sent there? 2 I assume you talked your parents when you left, what were their reactions? 3 did your parents or guardians basically sign over all rights to the school to do what they liked with you? 4 did people ever 'escape'? 5 are you in touch with any other graduates? 6 did this give you any grounding for university? You spoke about lack of education, what did you do afterwards? And what are you doing now?
          Interesting read, thanks!
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          Chris3411444 115 points 17 days ago[-]
          I can't speak for the OP but:
          I assume you talked your parents when you left, what were their reactions?
          My cousin's parents have never really believed the stories of what went on there, or were/always have been in willful denial about it.
          did your parents or guardians basically sign over all rights to the school to do what they liked with you?
          From what I understand, this is basically what happens, and the "inmates" are allowed little contact with the outside world.
          4 did people ever 'escape'?
          I seem to remember he talked about it happening occasionally, but anyone that did were usually returned by the authorities, or their own families, to face even more harsh conditions afterwards.
          are you in touch with any other graduates?
          My cousin has been in sporadic contact with a few people from there over the years, and most of them are all still pretty messed up. They're a pretty close knit group otherwise, or at least have a connection due to shared trauma like anyone with similar experiences.
          did this give you any grounding for university?
          In no way meant to be offensive, but to anyone familiar with Elan, that's a laughable question. The actual well-being and preparedness for future life is little more than an afterthought, if even that.
          You spoke about lack of education, what did you do afterwards? And what are you doing now?
          My cousin has never really been able to adjust to normal life, has worked various menial jobs in the past decade, and will likely never be successful. I credit Elan and his parents with that, for the most part.
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          On_ne_sait_jamais 21 points 17 days ago[-]
          Goodness...this is like that movie "Sleepers."
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          Gzasmyhero 232 points 17 days ago* [-]
          1) I dont want to give away too much info about myself quite yet in case someone is trying to piece together who I am. Maybe its a bit paranoid, but i have my reasons. I am trying to bring down a multi-million dollar establishment that is basically no more than a continuing criminal enterprise.........
          But lets say that what sent me there made me a perfect middle person. Half the people were there for worse things and half were there for less.
          2) My mother refuses to listen and honestly, I was just sooooo happy to be free that it took a bit for all of my emotions to settle and for me to find the right words. Unfortunately i was sent there by the state so my parents had no say in the matter. But once I finally began to tell them everything I realized a) that it sounds crazy b)that it would take days to explain it well and in detail c)my mother was crying even when I began to tell her things that on a scale from 1 to Horrible, were like a 6. Other people have been able to properly express it to their family members and the reaction is obviously one of horror.
          Here is a summary of someone who actually was able to do something about it: “In 1987, a woman named Bethany Berry claimed that she’d suffered sleep-and food-deprivation as well as assault as an Elan resident between the ages of 16 and 18. She later filed a lawsuit against the school, Ricci, and the state of Maine, charging abuse (it was eventually settled out of court for an undisclosed sum).”
          3) Yes, whether sent by parents, state, or school: the child is signed over into the care of Elan and cannot legally sign out until the age of 18.
          4)Multiple people have escaped. In the two years I was there only one person successfully escaped AND stayed escaped. Everyone else was somehow brought back. If you tried to run away on a home visit with parents (which took up to 2 years to earn), Elan had established connections with the police in your town in case of a run-away.
          The guy I knew who escaped, it was his second attempt. His first was made after 6 months, his second was made after 18 months (on a home visit). He basically became a ghost and nobody heard from him until after his 18th birthday had passed (not even his parents). I called him after I got out and told him he was a hero of mine.
          There have also been multiple cases of children running away and never being seen again, or turning up dead. One girl was raped and murdered by a trucker, she was trying to hitchhike home. Another boy was shot was a local who thought he was trespassing on their property.
          5) yes, I am in touch with multiple graduates, nearly 300.
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          suckmyball 68 points 17 days ago[-]
          Considering "the state" sent you to this school, have you considered hiring a civil rights attorney or at least consulting one? Money to pay for the attorney isn't as likely to be a problem as you think. And even if it is, 300 people (the ex students of this school) pitching in would probably take care of that problem relatively cheaply.
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          [deleted] 7 points 17 days ago[-]
          I'm just replying in the hopes that more people see this. I think this is a really good suggestion. Probably the best thing OP can do is: hire a lawyer and try to get this place into court (and thus into the news) and start talking to some media people and try to interest them.
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          sneggiwt 141 points 17 days ago[-]
          This seems like a pretty big piece of identifying information.
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          pardnthat 49 points 17 days ago[-]
          "I dont want to give away too much info about myself quite yet in case someone is trying to piece together who I am."
          better remove the e-mail address from your post thar (assuming it's your name)
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          Who_is 23 points 17 days ago* [-]
          I know there are a lot of questions here and most are probably uncomfortable and difficult for you to recall. However, I think that it would be helpful for a potential case if you could establish details in advance. If such a case occurred, you could look back here to jog your memory. I have listed some questions that I think could help to establish these details. (Other redditors, feel free to add on in reply.)
          What did they feed you?
          Was the food provided adequate?
          What did staff members eat?
          Did they provide you with clothes?
          Was the clothing provided adequate?
          How much sleep were you allowed each night?
          Was the sleep that you were allowed adequate?
          Can you describe the techniques of food and sleep deprivation?
          Was good behavior rewarded? How so?
          Was bad behavior punished? How so?
          Was punishment enacted without regards to an individual's behavior? Would a well-behaved individual be punished? How so?
          What treatments did they use that constituted abuse (physical, sexual, etc)?
          Here are some links I found about the Élan School:
          Maine School Approval Review
          Details Magazine Article
          Joseph Ricci (former Élan School head) Estate Court Case
          Message Board from previous Élan students - discusses staff members
          Joseph Ricci article
          Facebook group - I went to Elan School
          Staff List with other links
          Heal-Online - discusses other possible teen torture facilities: SCROLL DOWN FOR A LIST OF THEM. THERE IS ONE IN ALMOST EVERY STATE. THIS IS A NATIONAL PROBLEM.
          Gzasmyhero - please see this post on the Facebook wall from the "I went to Elan School" group:
          Alright - I am ready to do this the right way. I am the host of a popular comedy podcast called RED BAR RADIO - I have been telling my listeners for years that one day I will tell the complete ELAN STORY on the show - I attended Elan in 1999 - I would like to organize with a few others to tell the complete story about... this place on my show. It will have to be done in multiple parts, since there is so much to tell. I would like to do interviews with other students, and get all the facts together so that the story isn't a mess. If you're interested in being involved, email http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/news/ ... 5elan.html (http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/news/state/070325elan.html)
          'While New York conducted a surprise inspection, it is the policy of Maine's education department to let schools know when state officials are going to conduct a visit, said Edwin "Buzz" Kastuck, whose responsibilities within the department include school approval.'
          Here is a claim made in the same article:
          'Frank McDermott, the Elan School's director of education, said the New York officials who visited in 2005 conducted extensive interviews with students, parents and graduates.
          here is a comment written after an article, titled:Good News: Bad Economy Killing Abusive Teen Programs: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/maia-szal ... 62696.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/maia-szalavitz/good-news-bad-economy-kil_b_162696.html)
          "I was a student at the Elan School for 3 years from 2005 to 2008. I am still traumatized by what I went through during my time there. Waking up each day the environment was constant screaming and swearing, by students, but more so by the "staff". I remember as a new student, I was crying when I was told to scrub a garbage can as a punishment for something so minor that I can't even remember the cause. I has stopped cleaning it, and that was when the staff determined that I had to be restrained and dragged to "the corner", isolation in a room to the point when one barely feels human. I tried to fight back, as any normal person would do when one is touched and forcefully grabbed without consent. Instead of just bringing me to the corner, the staff had other students hold me up, my hands and feet restrained, as other students were forced to scream and degrade me. I say forced, because regretfully I have also done the same to other students, and I know that if they refused to participate in this abominable event they too would have been punished. The only way to survive in this setting was to shut down emotionally. This memory haunts me to current day.
          "This school needs to be shut down, and I am happy if that day is coming near. Even if Elan survives the recession, it should still be closed. However, this could prove to be exceedingly difficult, because the students in the school are pressured not even to think a bad thought about the program, let alone utter it, and will receive punishment if they fail to oblige that rule. I know that while I was at the school investigations were conducted, and students were pressured into lying. Furthermore, a survey was also done, which now appears on the school's website, some questions asking about if we felt comfortable at the school. It was said to be anonymous, but again we felt pressured into lying, staff was supervising, and each of our handwriting could be easily identified. "I hope someone reacts to the atrocity that is the Elan School."
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          AimlessArrow 377 points 17 days ago[-]
          The people who currently run Elan (the living family members of the late Joe Ricci)
          Submit to 4chan and let Anonymous handle this.
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          sneggiwt 95 points 17 days ago[-]
          This is the best suggestion in this entire thread.
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          AimlessArrow 125 points 17 days ago[-]
          You're looking for the /b/ board.
          Include the full story, plus any contact information you may have, such as email addresses, snail mail addresses and names of the perpetrators.
          The /b/tards know what to do.
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          Budddy 102 points 17 days ago[-]
          Normally this mob-justice shit scares me, but nothing else seems to be working on these scumbags and something needs to be done.
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          nerdshark 32 points 17 days ago[-]
          Just post a random picture, doesn't matter what it is.
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          AimlessArrow 12 points 17 days ago* [-]
          That's optional.
          Edit:
          As massivebitchtits pointed out, if you start a new thread you do need to upload an image.
          Pick any old image you like. Preferably something that grabs the attention and is humorous.
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          waffleninja 14 points 17 days ago[-]
          /b/ is the main board. The thread may disappear fast though, so post on other boards to. You may have to repost it on /b/ to get actual attention.
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          charmanderonfire 13 points 17 days ago[-]
          There are multiple boards with /b/tards who just go by different nicknames, I tend not to frequent these boards but I know for sure /v/ and /vp/ would help if anything was organized.
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          dbz253 20 points 17 days ago[-]
          So what happened? Did a bunch of people just say "not your personal army" and "GTFO"?
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          snugglecuddle 62 points 17 days ago[-]
          I live about 10 miles away from Poland Springs, and I've never heard of the Elan School. I'm not saying that it doesn't exist or that I don't believe your story. However, you're assertion that everyone up here knows about it is false. I've NEVER heard of this school before, neither have my parents or my brother (he has friends at Poland Regional HS, and didn't know what I was asking about). Obviously some local awareness needs to happen if anything is really going to change.
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          Gzasmyhero 55 points 17 days ago[-]
          really, please help out snugglecuddle, if you are really from that area, you knowing about this and telling some locals might have been one of the best reasons I even posted this in the first place
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          AZL94 15 points 17 days ago[-]
          All the positive reviews on their site make me fucking sick. If i hadn't read your post i would have believed that bullshit...
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          LazyDinosaur 11 points 17 days ago[-]
          One of the review summaries-
          "From the hottest fire comes the strongest steel" - greatschools.org
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          vjiglados 40 points 17 days ago[-]
          I knew someone who worked at the Elan School. As far as I know,t hey went through the same indoctrination as the students...she stopped working there a year after she started, she couldn't handle it. The town really doesn't do much because it brings in so much tax revenue for the town that its allowed to keep treating students in this horrible manner. Hopefully, because of the economic downturn, it is on its way out, but you never know....
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          ricktencity 29 points 17 days ago[-]
          I imagine it's a lot like the zimbardo prison experiment. Not that that in any way justifies their actions, but I think it's probably a similar process.
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          Gzasmyhero 32 points 17 days ago[-]
          yes, exactly. This comparison has been made (Stanford Prison experiment) http://theelanschool.tumblr.com/post/40 ... udy-of-the (http://theelanschool.tumblr.com/post/406378190/the-stanford-prison-experiment-was-a-study-of-the)
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          waffleninja 28 points 17 days ago[-]
          Write congress. Write the president. Call any news organization. Sue them.
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          tinpanallegory 28 points 17 days ago[-]
          You should write a book about your experiences. Then send a copy to Jon Stewart on the first printing.
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          beder 37 points 17 days ago[-]
          What is REALLY disturbing about that place, is not it's mere existence, but the fact that not only the owners are disturbed, but that obviously there's a lot of powerful people supporting it (as in not closing the place), and this people are probably politicians and/or police authorities, who we are supposed to trust in and who make most of the rules that directly impact into our lives.
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          afatsumcha 15 points 17 days ago[-]
          Money talks, it seems.
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          foltaggio 18 points 17 days ago[-]
          Link to relevant AMA
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          ImmortalAngel 185 points 17 days ago[-]
          I was in that God forsaken hole in the woods from 91-93. When I was there I was 14 turning 15, had barely done a damned thing wrong (was severely abused by father, finally got free in 7th grade only to go to Aunts who happened to his sister & yup, the mental illness just ran in the familia! my crimes were running away from home, skippin school, sassin back, etc. no drugs, drinking, stealing, sex, etc.etc.) I was acting out from years of abuse left untreated by therapy. Here I am, asked by the DCF worker "Do u want to go to this great boarding school in Maine?" I thought it was just that, a boarding school, maybe the kids had issues like mine, we get therapy, education, I learn to ski, shit like that. I pull up on a freezing cold winter day to trailers in the woods! Am searched like a prisoner, shuffled around a place filled with kids scrubbing floors on their hands and knees and screaming. I freaked! This place was based on mental cruelness and intimidation. It was run by kids basically, the kids wanting to get the f out so they gladly played along to get their damned trips to movies or pizza and sodas every weekend. My soul, childhood,traded for a kids pizza and soda. This place truly is dog eat dog, the weak get trampled. U gotta scream at ppl, degrade em and force em to do crazy stuff or else you will be in their position. One girl wore a huge ass sign on her neck "ask me why I am a receptacle for mens sperm confront me as to why I act like a pig" holy crap! she was like 16. they verbally abused ppl like WHOA, had ppl wanting to die it was so bad, these general meeting ppl stood inches from ur face and spit they nasty ass breath spit all in your face calling you names so bad a hard core prisoner would blush! Not to mention the corner, u sit facing a corner for anywhere from 1 hour to 1 month with a kid watching you, school was a few hours a night. the staff were wild! one girl i was close with died horribly when she ran away, when the director of my house told us of her death she pointed to me and went off on how i would never be as good as this girl, i was worthless (i was 16) she was so much prettier, charismatic, etc.than i, why her and not me, i am a waste of bed space, etc.etc. chick was prettier than Tanya (the director/staff of house) even, but damn dude u tell me my friend was viscously murdered and in the next breath use it as an excuse to verbally abuse & insult & embarrass me?! WTF? What kind of person are you? A teenager just died horribly and u use it as an excuse to degrade another kid?! What a C*NT. Ppl looked like they wanted to step in but thats signing your death warrant. One boy told me after, a Coordinator (a high student position), that Tanya was dead wrong and a bitch & he was sorry and he felt bad for me and he would deny it if i ever mentioned it & he hopes I can get the fuck out of there soon. I went home a few months later. They kept me there and kept me there from 91-93! They told my Dad I was going to kill myself if he took me home to my Nana's funeral despite the fact she died RIGHT b4 I was slated to be released! He even said "Well, she is to come home a week later anyways are u telling me she is suicidal or you dont want her to come home early for financial reasons?" On my parent group and after that call he called the DCF ppl and told them he was busting me out so they better get me out or else. He was ex Navy so he had a way of talking that made ppl listen up. Some kids there were truly truly truly truly in need of serious psychiatric help, they offered NADA but more degradation! I remember 2 kids, Sean and Susan. Holy crap, I cried for them it was so sad. One was from Canada & seemed to of dumped her there & I forgot where he was from. They were young too. These kids were truly mentally ill. Other ppl dumped all over them. They were the perfect punching bags. Ppl were so pissed about being there these groups where we got to yell at kids that pissed us off turned into "at the top of your lungs 1 hour long who can degrade who the best sessions". Totally non therapeutic. It was all "Fuck you slut, whore, ugly mofo, I hate you, die, I wanna punch you, you ugly whore, you wanna be gangsta, why dont you die, retard, pussy , cock sucker, fag, shit for brains, etc.etc.etc." It was BRUTAL. If you did NOT scream at ppl u got in trouble! So, ppl screamed at kids like these 2 mentally ill kids, kids like me who were in trouble and told the place to go F itself and had no problem telling other kids they were phonies and should be ashamed of themselves for helping Elan brutally rape growing childrens souls. I'm sorry I saw NOTHING good about that place! The kids who left at the top of the food chain, many are dead now, in prison, killed themselves, became junkies and crackheads and crystal freaks. It's freaking wild that I, the biggest fuck up of em all did better than the biggest look goods in the joint! Not ALL kids ended up doing so bad when they left btw. Some prospered in and out of that hell hole. I left having nightmares, jumping when doors slammed and ppl screamed, I couldn't go to a public HS cuz I was agoraphobic at 17! I thought I was going crazy, having a heart attack but they were panic attacks. Till this day loud noises and screaming ppl make me jittery. ANYTHING you read about this place is true. When ppl tell you stuff imagine the worst then multiply THAT by 10 then you will begin to touch upon the horror and fear ppl felt in that dump!
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          hallizh 74 points 17 days ago[-]
          I know it's a wall of text, but try reading it, its really relevant.
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          dalaio 18 points 16 days ago[-]
          He's right - also makes 'Lord of the Flies' seem like a pleasant way to organize society by comparison...
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          idobelieve 39 points 16 days ago[-]
          Broke it up into paragraphs of sorts for easier reading. Very relevant indeed.
          "I was in that God forsaken hole in the woods from 91-93. When I was there I was 14 turning 15, had barely done a damned thing wrong (was severely abused by father, finally got free in 7th grade only to go to Aunts who happened to his sister & yup, the mental illness just ran in the familia! my crimes were running away from home, skippin school, sassin back, etc. no drugs, drinking, stealing, sex, etc.etc.) I was acting out from years of abuse left untreated by therapy.
          Here I am, asked by the DCF worker "Do u want to go to this great boarding school in Maine?" I thought it was just that, a boarding school, maybe the kids had issues like mine, we get therapy, education, I learn to ski, shit like that.
          I pull up on a freezing cold winter day to trailers in the woods! Am searched like a prisoner, shuffled around a place filled with kids scrubbing floors on their hands and knees and screaming. I freaked! This place was based on mental cruelness and intimidation. It was run by kids basically, the kids wanting to get the f out so they gladly played along to get their damned trips to movies or pizza and sodas every weekend. My soul, childhood,traded for a kids pizza and soda.
          This place truly is dog eat dog, the weak get trampled. U gotta scream at ppl, degrade em and force em to do crazy stuff or else you will be in their position. One girl wore a huge ass sign on her neck "ask me why I am a receptacle for mens sperm confront me as to why I act like a pig" holy crap! she was like 16. they verbally abused ppl like WHOA, had ppl wanting to die it was so bad, these general meeting ppl stood inches from ur face and spit they nasty ass breath spit all in your face calling you names so bad a hard core prisoner would blush! Not to mention the corner, u sit facing a corner for anywhere from 1 hour to 1 month with a kid watching you, school was a few hours a night. the staff were wild!
          one girl i was close with died horribly when she ran away, when the director of my house told us of her death she pointed to me and went off on how i would never be as good as this girl, i was worthless (i was 16) she was so much prettier, charismatic, etc.than i, why her and not me, i am a waste of bed space, etc.etc. chick was prettier than Tanya (the director/staff of house) even, but damn dude u tell me my friend was viscously murdered and in the next breath use it as an excuse to verbally abuse & insult & embarrass me?! WTF? What kind of person are you? A teenager just died horribly and u use it as an excuse to degrade another kid?! What a C*NT. Ppl looked like they wanted to step in but thats signing your death warrant. One boy told me after, a Coordinator (a high student position), that Tanya was dead wrong and a bitch & he was sorry and he felt bad for me and he would deny it if i ever mentioned it & he hopes I can get the fuck out of there soon. I went home a few months later.
          They kept me there and kept me there from 91-93! They told my Dad I was going to kill myself if he took me home to my Nana's funeral despite the fact she died RIGHT b4 I was slated to be released! He even said "Well, she is to come home a week later anyways are u telling me she is suicidal or you dont want her to come home early for financial reasons?" On my parent group and after that call he called the DCF ppl and told them he was busting me out so they better get me out or else. He was ex Navy so he had a way of talking that made ppl listen up. Some kids there were truly truly truly truly in need of serious psychiatric help, they offered NADA but more degradation!
          I remember 2 kids, Sean and Susan. Holy crap, I cried for them it was so sad. One was from Canada & seemed to of dumped her there & I forgot where he was from. They were young too. These kids were truly mentally ill. Other ppl dumped all over them. They were the perfect punching bags. Ppl were so pissed about being there these groups where we got to yell at kids that pissed us off turned into "at the top of your lungs 1 hour long who can degrade who the best sessions". Totally non therapeutic. It was all "Fuck you slut, whore, ugly mofo, I hate you, die, I wanna punch you, you ugly whore, you wanna be gangsta, why dont you die, retard, pussy , cock sucker, fag, shit for brains, etc.etc.etc." It was BRUTAL. If you did NOT scream at ppl u got in trouble! So, ppl screamed at kids like these 2 mentally ill kids, kids like me who were in trouble and told the place to go F itself and had no problem telling other kids they were phonies and should be ashamed of themselves for helping Elan brutally rape growing childrens souls. I'm sorry I saw NOTHING good about that place!
          The kids who left at the top of the food chain, many are dead now, in prison, killed themselves, became junkies and crackheads and crystal freaks. It's freaking wild that I, the biggest fuck up of em all did better than the biggest look goods in the joint! Not ALL kids ended up doing so bad when they left btw. Some prospered in and out of that hell hole. I left having nightmares, jumping when doors slammed and ppl screamed, I couldn't go to a public HS cuz I was agoraphobic at 17! I thought I was going crazy, having a heart attack but they were panic attacks. Till this day loud noises and screaming ppl make me jittery. ANYTHING you read about this place is true. When ppl tell you stuff imagine the worst then multiply THAT by 10 then you will begin to touch upon the horror and fear ppl felt in that dump!"
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          Tasty_Yams 69 points 17 days ago[-]
          I saw you post this last night, then it disappeared a minute later. I thought they got you. lol.
          Anyway, I went and Googled elan, well apparently you aren't the only one complaining about this place.
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          Gzasmyhero 65 points 17 days ago[-]
          Yeah, I finally worked up to courage to start posting this stuff onto Reddit, unfortunately by the time I finished writing and clicked post, it was like 2am. Then I was like "Damn, my timing really sucks on this one". But I am gonna keep with it and I thank everyone who has taken to time to read my posts.
          Your joke about me disappearing isn't too far off actually. Many former Elan students are afraid of just that. Maybe its a bit of an exaggeration to be THAT afraid, but the reality isn't too far off when you begin to gather information on Joseph Ricci (the founder of Elan) and his public connections to organized crime. Not to mention Elan is a multi-million dollar organization.
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          uncle_tambour 59 points 17 days ago[-]
          Wait, Joseph Ricci...the Maine politician? Shit, I know his son...this is too much. I want to firebomb things now.
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          pardnthat 27 points 17 days ago[-]
          Could anyone organise for hundreds of post-grads (or anyone I guess) to turn up at the school and fuck shit up? Whether it involves illegal or legal protest, the police wouldn't practically be able to arrest/stop everyone - in any scenario hopefully the local media would be on to it and the attention would cause people to become aware of the situation
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          Chris3411444 21 points 17 days ago[-]
          My cousin (who I mentioned in another comment here), used to talk about that guy, and his connections to organized crime. So, this isn't the first time I've heard that.
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          felderosa 22 points 17 days ago[-]
          i went looking around for joseph ricci and i found this article where Ricci basically admits to everything OP has said as standard policy... wow
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          redbarradio 55 points 17 days ago[-]
          HEY! I am the host of a very popular comedy podcast, RED BAR RADIO, and have been working on doing a bonus, 4-hour episode discussing my experience at Elan back in 1999. I was there for two years. I have a huge online audience now, and with some help, we can really get a lot of information together and spread this story to hundreds of thousands of people within a few days. email http://www.elanschool.com/staff.htm (http://www.elanschool.com/staff.htm)
          http://elanschool.com/Academics/Faculty ... nistration (http://elanschool.com/Academics/Faculty%20and%20Administration)
          http://www.elanschool.com/teacher_testimonials.php (http://www.elanschool.com/teacher_testimonials.php)
          http://www.privateschoolreview.com/scho ... l_id/11928 (http://www.privateschoolreview.com/school_ov/school_id/11928)
          School Contact Info:
          Telephone: (207) 998-4666
          Fax: (207) 998-4660
          E-mail: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_Lake_Academy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_Lake_Academy)
          Sorry for the shitty grammar and stuff, I'm high and kind of excited that someone give a shit about this stuff.
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          davidrichfield 35 points 17 days ago[-]
          Add info about it to Wikipedia, but first read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia: ... le_sources (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources) .
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          Gzasmyhero 55 points 17 days ago[-]
          God knows I have tried personally at least 10 times, even modifying my updates countless times to sound objective along with adding relevant and legitimate links and references.
          Countless other people I know have tried and continue to try and either everything is being systematically erased by someone in Elan's marketing department, or the Wikipedia admins are fed-up and don't give a shit about what we are saying
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          davidrichfield 74 points 17 days ago[-]
          My Wikipedia username is Slashme. Drop me a line there and I'll check out your edits and see whether I can offer any advice.
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          Gzasmyhero 24 points 17 days ago[-]
          thank you so much
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          hardwire187 60 points 17 days ago[-]
          There seems to be a large number of children affected by this. Why not get together a crazed mob of ex students with $10 worth of gasoline and torch the whole fucking place? Authorities aren't doing anything.. a giant fire will bring media attention
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          huckfinnaafb 92 points 17 days ago[-]
          Ahh yes, arson. Never a terrible idea.
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          Widdershiny 17 points 17 days ago[-]
          There are children inside. The very people we want to help.
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          crackjoy 13 points 17 days ago[-]
          $10? Come on, you'll need more than that!
          At least $20...
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          slates 37 points 17 days ago[-]
          Elan was part of WWASP, right? I believe you, and I know there are lots more "schools" like this out there. You aren't alone!
          CAFETY is on your side. If you want more info about schools I can provide it for you. I've done research on the subject, and have been in residential placement. If you want more info I can help point you in the right direction. Please let me know if you need anything.
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          Gzasmyhero 21 points 17 days ago[-]
          Actually, we have contacted Cafety. The unfortunate thing is how well connected Elan's founder, Joe Ricci, was. Seems like he really got the ball rolling on Elan and now people still owe him favors (even though he is dead, his wife now holds the highest position. At 50 G's a head, they have quite a big reason to continue their own existence.
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          hollamac1024 29 points 17 days ago[-]
          my best friend was carted off and "imprisoned" at a similar school in idaho. she almost died during a wilderness survival thing that she was forced to do in order to graduate. she also said that many people kill themselves shortly after leaving. its soooo sad. granted, she was pretty heavy into meth before she left and she turned out okay, but she is still very scarred from the experience
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          unknownmichael 49 points 17 days ago[-]
          you need to report this stuff to your state abuse hotline. the phone number for the appropriate abuse hotline can be found at http://www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/reslis ... o=11-11172 (http://www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/reslist/rl_dsp.cfm?rs_id=5&rate_chno=11-11172)
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          aloneinlove 96 points 17 days ago[-]
          Or better yet post this to 4chan. If your government can't do anything about it then it's time to let street justice prevail.
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          Wanderlustfull 26 points 17 days ago[-]
          I would love to see what 4chan do to this place.
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          jamie1414 34 points 17 days ago[-]
          Make sure you change the words students and inmates to the word "cat".
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          Chris3411444 11 points 17 days ago[-]
          This has been going on for years, and nothing seemingly ever happens to the place. Apparently the founder/operator is pretty well connected.
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          damn_it_so_much 31 points 17 days ago[-]
          This facebook group is an interesting read. Pretty damn condemning if you ask me.
          This one really got me:
          I am asking everyone here for help!!! In the time I was in elan 3 people who were in the program went on to commit suicide after they left. I'm sure there are more people who I was there with that did. I am asking anyone who knows of someone that left the program and took their life to please email me and tell me about... it! I am trying to gather facts and statistics for a project. This is very important and could save lives! Please help! My email address is: http://www.elanschool.com/admin/ (http://www.elanschool.com/admin/)
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          goldenmonke 15 points 17 days ago[-]
          hello sql injection possibility
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          sansdomicile 18 points 17 days ago[-]
          This is truly horrifying, I found some more sourced testimonies here: http://www.elanschool.org/ (http://www.elanschool.org/)
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          mareacuda 19 points 17 days ago[-]
          I had a roommate years ago who went there and told me horror stories. I just sent her a facebook message and she said "yeah, all of that stuff is true and doesn't even begin to scratch the surface... " The stories stuck with me over the last 6 years.
          Scary shit....
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          lilptrsn 21 points 17 days ago[-]
          Anyone think about hacking Elans website and changing all their bullshit to the truth? Also, I'm suggesting this story to different news shows (oprah, olbermann, nancy grace, etc)
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          XJXRXVX 42 points 17 days ago[-]
          I'm surprised 4chan hasn't caught wind of this.
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          midnightmoonbeam 12 points 17 days ago[-]
          No kittens!
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          Scurry 19 points 17 days ago[-]
          Wow. I live about fifteen minutes away from Poland, Maine (in Auburn, for any other locals) and I've never heard of this place. I just messaged my girlfriend who lived her whole life in poland to see if shes ever heard of it and im waiting for a response. How do I go about making more people aware of this? I dont have a car, but I might take a cab over there to check it out and take some pics.
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          mle_ 32 points 17 days ago[-]
          This may sound a bit crazy but have you considered contacting Oprah or someone similar? She often 'uncovers' places like these.
          Thanks for sharing this and raising it to our attention;
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          CentennialSky 18 points 17 days ago[-]
          As someone who had the good fortune to go to a therapeutic boarding school where they actually cared about the students' well-being, I am so sorry that you had to go through this. My school was hard enough, even without the horrifying things they did to you guys.
          Did you end up graduating, or did you just leave?
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          Gzasmyhero 27 points 17 days ago[-]
          I graduated. Which is why I believe I have some credibility. I am not one of the Elan sob stories, I am not bitter. I was actually considered an Elan success story.
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          hurricanehughes 20 points 17 days ago[-]
          You're in the states, right? Lawyer up and sue the shit of them, no?
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          Gzasmyhero 71 points 17 days ago[-]
          I am currently working on it, and the best thing is that the lawyer is an old friend of mine from Elan. He went to law school JUST FOR THIS. Since my experience is 10 years old, they told me I needed to gather testimonies from recent students, which is very hard since many are still processing what is going on. But I have collected and submitted 3 so far, just from kids who just got out and were not afraid to sign their names and have it posted to the world publicly. They are also heros of mine.
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          reefine 24 points 17 days ago[-]
          keep Reddit in the loop! I'd love to hear the founders and employees involved in the harassment either see massive fines and/or prison time
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          jakeshxc 20 points 17 days ago[-]
          I have always had aspirations of going into law and politics. Twenty years from now, when I'm in my super position of power I and anyone else willing to join, will bring this shit down...and fucking hard. I will legally fuck the shit out of anyone who has ever supported an evil practice like this, just so no one will have to feel like you again. You are a hero to me, remember that. Oh and when im done, ill buy the land and make it into the most sickass eden for any that have had to deal with this.
          Even if you dont believe it, remember, remember this post and as a simple, human to human, true, heartfelt promise...I will make it happen.
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          Scandibilly 16 points 17 days ago[-]
          I feel your pain -- I was subjected to something very similar.
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          Gzasmyhero 23 points 17 days ago[-]
          The problem is that Elan is not alone, there are many places like this across our country and the world. But I was in Elan and I would like to see the place held accountable for its actions, once I bring down Elan I hope to help others bring down the other "establishments".
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          ddunnpsyd 17 points 17 days ago[-]
          As a professional who works with troubled adolescents this greatly saddens me. Things like this need to be reported to governing agencies. Departments should take issues of abuse and neglect very seriously.
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          FancyMac 17 points 17 days ago[-]
          I am no law student but I feel like you could get a pretty solid case going based on the fact of destroying others mail.. felony charges right there. Not sure what sort of waiver you signed for this but I don't think they can take that right away from you regardless. Beyond that it just sounds like inhuman torture.
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          Gzasmyhero 17 points 17 days ago[-]
          you are totally right. which is ironic, because tampering with our mail seems to be one of the only real laws that they broke that we could actually make stick.
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          bonjoe 14 points 17 days ago[-]
          Sounds like a job for 4chan.
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          TylerPaul 17 points 16 days ago* [-]
          http://dev.elanschool.com/node/213#comment-472 (http://dev.elanschool.com/node/213#comment-472)
          Here's a list of recommended locations to eat, sleep, etc. Perhaps posters could be hung to spread awareness.
          sebagolakelodge.com
          wolfcoveinn.com
          portlandclarion.com
          eastlandparkhotel.com
          portlandhamptoninn.com
          portlandholidayinn.com
          theregency.com
          innbythebay.com
          Dimillos.com
          orientaltable.com
          fujimaine.com
          grdimillos.com
          macsgrill.com
          web.me.com/codychops/JPS_Portland/JPs_Portland.html
          http://dev.elanschool.com/node/ (http://dev.elanschool.com/node/) 213 #comment-472
          by changing the number in bold you can jump through pages. There were several planned meetings at local restaurants for the parents of elan members. Perhaps that's another way to spread awareness.
          edit: The meetup invitations all seem rather old. July 14th, 2008 Chef Yu
          edit2: http://dev.elanschool.com/node/180#comment-472 (http://dev.elanschool.com/node/180#comment-472)
          Hi Everyone, I was just told by my son tonight that Clare told him today she will be putting him on the driveway and told to leave on Friday. Please be aware, they will turn on a dime on you and do the same to your child. Elan has turned out to be a very scary place indeed. Especially if your child is special ed coded and placed there by your school district. They have no regard for any of the special education laws or procedural safeguards that are in place. The State of Maine Dept of Ed Due Process office has told me that Elan IS subject to the procedural safeguards afforded to parents and students which preserves their rights when a school does not follow IDEA 2004. Thanks for listening!!!!
          edit3: http://dev.elanschool.com/node/179#comment-472 (http://dev.elanschool.com/node/179#comment-472)
          It becomes very interesting when your child is called a quitter for 8 months and then the name-callers become the quitters themselves. Quite sad. All they are doing is rewarding his behavior, reinforcing his dysfunctional behavior and giving in. Tragic that the circle is not broken but continues...
          edit4: http://dev.elanschool.com/node/148#comment-472 (http://dev.elanschool.com/node/148#comment-472)
          Hi - My son Drew has been at Elan for about 6 weeks. We are still in the Guilt letter process. The first letter we received did not tell us anything that we didn't know. Has anyone else experienced such a long drawn out process? Also, how do you all feel about communication with the school? What can I expect? I am really anxious to hear more about how he is doing. When do phone calls start? Thanks, Bonnie S
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          Once a graduation date is established does the student continue to hold a position within the house? How are they able to test their learned life skills in the real world?
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          infinitysnake 14 points 17 days ago* [-]
          I believe you. I once helped my brother (many years ago) hide a friend who had escaped on the way to this place (his parents caught him with pot). They figured out where he was and kidnapped him off a public street.
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          Gzasmyhero 12 points 17 days ago[-]
          Yes, most of the children are brought there through similar kidnappings. My door was kicked down at 3am and two burly men through me in an unmarked black van. I heard other stories from residents who were picked up in public as well.
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          Lynnier 17 points 17 days ago[-]
          I think the best way to bring down a place like this would be to do an undercover expose by going in with secret cameras or smuggling spy cameras to current students. Just look at what that youtube video did to ACORN!
          Get irrefutable evidence; make it public.
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          Gzasmyhero 15 points 17 days ago[-]
          Gotta go for a bit, thank you all again, for everything. Except the naysayers, fuck those assholes. If you can't say something nice or productive or you are too lazy to research whether these claims are true: then just move on, you don't gotta down-vote or make ignorant comments which reflect your tiny state of awareness.
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          Gzasmyhero 10 points 17 days ago[-]
          I love the rest of you, I really mean that
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          skycut 24 points 17 days ago* [-]
          That is absolutely horrible, I'm really sorry to hear that you had to go through that.
          An old childhood friend got in touch with me recently and when I asked where she had been all these years since she suddenly disappeared after 8th grade, she described almost exactly what you have here. The main difference was that it was somewhere in Somoa. Her rich, attorney father had sent her away to this place which pitched itself as a special school to help get her back on track academically, located near a pristine beach in a beautiful country. He was paying something like $100,000 a year and she was there for something like 5 years.
          She told me that they repeatedly beat the shit out of kids for now reason, deliberately withheld food for days at a time, kept them in "isolation boxes" which were too small for someone to stand in and too narrow to lie down for up to 2 days. There was absolutely no schoolwork being done, it was essentially a prison camp that rich parents paid handsomely to send their undesirable kids to.
          She told me one time that a kid completely lost it and made a run for the barbed wire perimeter fences. He was caught, beaten unconscious, and dragged away. She said that they never saw the kid again. She had a few other stories but they're all pretty much in the same vein as what you described; horrible stuff.
          She said that the school had apparently been exposed and subsequently shut down a few years ago.
          EDIT: Holy shit, I think this was the program she was talking about: (http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp?aId=22096 (http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp?aId=22096))
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          stonedslacker 21 points 17 days ago[-]
          The best way to get Elan shut down would be to write a screenplay and have David Fincher or a similar high profile director make a movie on it. I say Fincher because he likes this type of real life stuff and if he could make the life of Mark Zuckerberg into a Hollywood thriller, imagine what he would do with this material. Remember people watching "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest" and their disgust towards Nurse Ratched - except this time it's children not adults - and when the movie ends there will be captions saying that it was based on a true incident and this place still exists. Can you imagine the reaction of millions of people, of whom hundreds will take up this cause seriously.
          If the movie is well made - and I imagine there should be plenty of interesting material to be obtained from former students - it will be a blockbuster, Oscar bait and lead to eventual shutting down of the school.
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          john2496 15 points 17 days ago[-]
          There was a documentary on these kids being sent to these private schools/prisons (many w/o a court order, it was used by some parents as an expensive daycare for out-of-control(naturally-rebelling) teens). Parents were sending their kids to these prisons (they're private businesses that are build-and-run like prisons, with little government regulation (it seems that way atleast)). Its surprising that this wasn't in the public sphere :/.
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          llamagoelz 10 points 17 days ago[-]
          find the name of that documentary. im organizing a resistance and i think 4chan might like to pirate this movie into oblivion
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          johnji 13 points 17 days ago[-]
          Sounds similar to the Luzerne County, PA story from last year, where two judges were taking kick-backs to send juveniles to a corporate run detention centre, for minor "crimes" like mocking a principal on MySpace: Pennsylvania rocked by 'jailing kids for cash' scandal
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          Collaterlie_Sisters 14 points 17 days ago[-]
          I think we need to mess with the Google rankings, link and visit all the pages that suggest that Elan School is a disgusting example of abuse so that they appear on most of the keyword searches.
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          supersede 20 points 17 days ago[-]
          time for a cooperative change to wikipedia.
          reddit, help me make this correct.
          it is fair for us to modify this article and say there are persistent allegations of abuse and link to multiple articles with proper citations.
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          supersede 20 points 17 days ago[-]
          is this a better description?
          Élan School is a private, coeducational, controversial residential behavior modification program and therapeutic boarding school (beginning with 8th grade and extending beyond high school completion) in Poland, Androscoggin County, Maine. As of 2010, the school reported enrollment of 150 students.[1] The school is located on a 33-acre (13 ha) campus[2] that was formerly a hunting lodge.[3] The school acquired some notoriety during the 1990s and early 2000s when former classmates of Michael Skakel, who had attended Élan in the 1970s, testified against him in his trial for an unsolved murder that had occurred about two years before he enrolled at Élan.[4] The school has also undergone persistant allegations of abuse in th
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 14, 2010, 02:48:13 PM
          Gee Marky
          I have already read that article. Im sure you have as well. Sharon cant read
          Who did you copy and paste this for ?
          Loserboy
          Is this what YOU have been reduced to ?
          Poor Marky
          ps .. Could you make it an entire page next time ? Nobody will read it,but you appear to get some joy from it
          As if you wrote the article or contributed in any way
          You may continue being the head loser @ Fornits
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 14, 2010, 06:31:50 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Gee Marky
          I have already read that article. Im sure you have as well. Sharon cant read
          Who did you copy and paste this for ?
          Loserboy
          Is this what YOU have been reduced to ?
          Poor Marky
          ps .. Could you make it an entire page next time ? Nobody will read it,but you appear to get some joy from it
          As if you wrote the article or contributed in any way
          You may continue being the head loser @ Fornits
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 14, 2010, 06:32:39 PM
          Gee Marky
          I have already read that article. Im sure you have as well. Sharon cant read
          Who did you copy and paste this for ?
          Loserboy
          Is this what YOU have been reduced to ?
          Poor Marky
          ps .. Could you make it an entire page next time ? Nobody will read it,but you appear to get some joy from it
          As if you wrote the article or contributed in any way
          You may continue being the head loser @ Fornits
          Title: Ex-Elan nut jobs
          Post by: Anonymous on December 14, 2010, 07:12:30 PM
          This thread has been reduced to a pile of SHIT.  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Ex-Elan nut jobs
          Post by: Anonymous on December 14, 2010, 11:34:20 PM
          Quote from: "Marty K."
          This thread has been reduced to a pile of SHIT.  :fuckoff:


          Gee Marky
          I have already read that article. Im sure you have as well. Sharon cant read
          Who did you copy and paste this for ?
          Loserboy. Now Marty K too ?
          Is this what YOU have been reduced to ?
          Poor Marky
          ps .. Could you make it an entire page next time ? Nobody will read it,but you appear to get some joy from it
          As if you wrote the article or contributed in any way
          You may continue being the head loser @ Fornits
          Title: Re: Ex-Elan nut jobs
          Post by: Anonymous on December 15, 2010, 07:03:47 AM
          Quote from: "liersexposed"
          Quote from: "Marty K."
          This thread has been reduced to a pile of SHIT.  :fuckoff:


          Gee Marky
          I have already read that article. Im sure you have as well. Sharon cant read
          Who did you copy and paste this for ?
          Loserboy. Now Marty K too ?
          Is this what YOU have been reduced to ?
          Poor Marky
          ps .. Could you make it an entire page next time ? Nobody will read it,but you appear to get some joy from it
          As if you wrote the article or contributed in any way
          You may continue being the head loser @ Fornits
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 15, 2010, 08:56:05 AM
          LOL
          You and Sharon are a riot
          The severity of your illness just grows and grows
          every day
          At the very least,we know we can count on you to make an ass of yourself
          Daily
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 15, 2010, 07:16:54 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          LOL
          You and Sharon are a riot
          The severity of your illness just grows and grows
          every day
          At the very least,we know we can count on you to make an ass of yourself
          Daily
          :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :on phone:  :on phone:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 16, 2010, 09:13:31 AM
          Quote from: "liersexposed"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          LOL
          You and Sharon are a riot
          The severity of your illness just grows and grows
          every day
          At the very least,we know we can count on you to make an ass of yourself
          Daily
          :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :on phone:  :on phone:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 16, 2010, 10:36:26 AM
          Keep crying Sharon or Marky
          The 2 cumbubblers from fornits cesspool
          Looks very good on you !
          Got Kleenex ?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 16, 2010, 02:51:23 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Keep crying Sharon or Marky
          The 2 cumbubblers from fornits cesspool
          Looks very good on you !
          Got Kleenex ?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 16, 2010, 08:24:43 PM
          You and Sharon are a riot
          The severity of your illness just grows and grows
          every day
          At the very least,we know we can count on you to make an ass of yourself
          Daily[/quote]
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2010, 06:20:32 AM
          You and Sharon are a riot
          The severity of your illness just grows and grows
          every day
          At the very least,we know we can count on you to make an ass of yourself
          Daily
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2010, 04:31:22 PM
          Art's trying to make new friends, :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: Great choice of words. Calling Survivors " Dumb " for still hurting and wanting to talk about it. Your an ass Art and are cruel and inhumane. Merry Fucken Christmas to you too.. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:



          by liarsexposed » 31 minutes ago

          Gonna voice my opnion,and hopefully not piss off the masses
          I dont see alot of Elan people here. Never really have. I only see the same people, post the same kind of articles, and spending countless hours, creating videos
          and websites to make a point that is mute.
          Its over. Its been over. Our abusers are mostly dead,and burried. The ones that ARE still alive,have yet to face their maker. But they will,and they will all get what they have comin to them
          Either you get better,or you dont. YES Elan was horrible. Everything that I have read,is the truth,(mostly)and its terrible. I lived it too
          But .........
          Its 30 years ago today for me since I left that hell hole. I suffered just like anyone else. Maybe not as much as others,maybe more than some. But I found that at some point,I had to make changes. It was no longer about Elan,and it was my responsibility to make a life for myself.
          Unfortunately I still have some nightmares once in a great while. But really,the only time I think about Elan, is when I read the info on the internet. In my 30 years of reading,and talking to people,I have yet to read something new. Unless of course you count the Mark and Sharon Show.
          If you are still suffering,and Elan is to blame,I suggest you get some help. PTSD is a real illness and treatable.
          But if you continue to live in the past,you have nothing to look forward to. I cant speak for everyone,but MY life is pretty good. Sure I could have more money,bigger house,more toys etc.. But I feel blessed,and am grateful I am not eating Eggplant Parm on Wed nights
          To this day,I will not eat Eggplant
          Happy Holidays and God Bless You
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 17, 2010, 05:52:46 PM
          Dear Sharon and Marky
          I am sorry you saw the word dumb somewhere...  I didnt,nor did anyone else. But as I have said many times before. You are incapable (both of you) of having a serious conversation as it rectracts attention from you and your little games. There are real people,who are hurting. My heart goes out to every one them.
          Then there are the likes of you two
          You will never get better. You will always be in pain. Its obvious that your pain has driven you into seclusion,and seperated you from friends and family
          I totally feel sorry for you. Spewing hate is the best you can come up with to seek attention. Maybe if you really said how you feel,and were honest with yourself and others. I know.. Tall order for small people like yourselves
          Maybe if you werent such assholes
          Good luck with that
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2010, 07:01:50 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Dear Sharon and Marky
          I am sorry you saw the word dumb somewhere...  I didnt,nor did anyone else. But as I have said many times before. You are incapable (both of you) of having a serious conversation as it rectracts attention from you and your little games. There are real people,who are hurting. My heart goes out to every one them.
          Then there are the likes of you two
          You will never get better. You will always be in pain. Its obvious that your pain has driven you into seclusion,and seperated you from friends and family
          I totally feel sorry for you. Spewing hate is the best you can come up with to seek attention. Maybe if you really said how you feel,and were honest with yourself and others. I know.. Tall order for small people like yourselves
          Maybe if you werent such assholes
          Good luck with that
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2010, 09:38:27 AM
          Quote from: "liersexposed"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Dear Sharon and Marky
          I am sorry you saw the word dumb somewhere...  I didnt,nor did anyone else. But as I have said many times before. You are incapable (both of you) of having a serious conversation as it rectracts attention from you and your little games. There are real people,who are hurting. My heart goes out to every one them.
          Then there are the likes of you two
          You will never get better. You will always be in pain. Its obvious that your pain has driven you into seclusion,and seperated you from friends and family
          I totally feel sorry for you. Spewing hate is the best you can come up with to seek attention. Maybe if you really said how you feel,and were honest with yourself and others. I know.. Tall order for small people like yourselves
          Maybe if you werent such assholes
          Good luck with that


          The Truth Hurts me I hate post like this.


          by liarsexposed » 31 minutes ago

          Gonna voice my opnion,and hopefully not piss off the masses
          I dont see alot of Elan people here. Never really have. I only see the same people, post the same kind of articles, and spending countless hours, creating videos
          and websites to make a point that is mute.
          Its over. Its been over. Our abusers are mostly dead,and burried. The ones that ARE still alive,have yet to face their maker. But they will,and they will all get what they have comin to them
          Either you get better,or you dont. YES Elan was horrible. Everything that I have read,is the truth,(mostly)and its terrible. I lived it too
          But .........
          Its 30 years ago today for me since I left that hell hole. I suffered just like anyone else. Maybe not as much as others,maybe more than some. But I found that at some point,I had to make changes. It was no longer about Elan,and it was my responsibility to make a life for myself.
          Unfortunately I still have some nightmares once in a great while. But really,the only time I think about Elan, is when I read the info on the internet. In my 30 years of reading,and talking to people,I have yet to read something new. Unless of course you count the Mark and Sharon Show.
          If you are still suffering,and Elan is to blame,I suggest you get some help. PTSD is a real illness and treatable.
          But if you continue to live in the past,you have nothing to look forward to. I cant speak for everyone,but MY life is pretty good. Sure I could have more money,bigger house,more toys etc.. But I feel blessed,and am grateful I am not eating Eggplant Parm on Wed nights
          To this day,I will not eat Eggplant
          Happy Holidays and God Bless You.

          I don't know what happens with my mouth sometimes. :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Danny B II on December 18, 2010, 10:19:43 AM
          Quote from: "liersexposed"
          Quote from: "liersexposed"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Dear Sharon and Marky
          I am sorry you saw the word dumb somewhere...  I didnt,nor did anyone else. But as I have said many times before. You are incapable (both of you) of having a serious conversation as it rectracts attention from you and your little games. There are real people,who are hurting. My heart goes out to every one them.
          Then there are the likes of you two
          You will never get better. You will always be in pain. Its obvious that your pain has driven you into seclusion,and seperated you from friends and family
          I totally feel sorry for you. Spewing hate is the best you can come up with to seek attention. Maybe if you really said how you feel,and were honest with yourself and others. I know.. Tall order for small people like yourselves
          Maybe if you werent such assholes
          Good luck with that


          The Truth Hurts me I hate post like this.


          by liarsexposed » 31 minutes ago

          Gonna voice my opnion,and hopefully not piss off the masses
          I dont see alot of Elan people here. Never really have. I only see the same people, post the same kind of articles, and spending countless hours, creating videos
          and websites to make a point that is mute.
          Its over. Its been over. Our abusers are mostly dead,and burried. The ones that ARE still alive,have yet to face their maker. But they will,and they will all get what they have comin to them
          Either you get better,or you dont. YES Elan was horrible. Everything that I have read,is the truth,(mostly)and its terrible. I lived it too
          But .........
          Its 30 years ago today for me since I left that hell hole. I suffered just like anyone else. Maybe not as much as others,maybe more than some. But I found that at some point,I had to make changes. It was no longer about Elan,and it was my responsibility to make a life for myself.
          Unfortunately I still have some nightmares once in a great while. But really,the only time I think about Elan, is when I read the info on the internet. In my 30 years of reading,and talking to people,I have yet to read something new. Unless of course you count the Mark and Sharon Show.
          If you are still suffering,and Elan is to blame,I suggest you get some help. PTSD is a real illness and treatable.
          But if you continue to live in the past,you have nothing to look forward to. I cant speak for everyone,but MY life is pretty good. Sure I could have more money,bigger house,more toys etc.. But I feel blessed,and am grateful I am not eating Eggplant Parm on Wed nights
          To this day,I will not eat Eggplant
          Happy Holidays and God Bless You.

          I don't know what happens with my mouth sometimes. :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:


          "Art" all you do is start fights and follow people around and try and cause them trouble .You are the one still living the programs my friend.I have brought good conversation and debate here and when someone joins in like some of my friends who are very good at research you chime in with problems. So don't call the Kettle Black "Bucko"!!!!



          I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.

          I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing.

          Earth is the insane asylum for the universe.

          Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive]
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2010, 10:30:38 AM
          Quote from: "Danny B II"
          Quote from: "liersexposed"
          Quote from: "liersexposed"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Dear Sharon and Marky
          I am sorry you saw the word dumb somewhere...  I didnt,nor did anyone else. But as I have said many times before. You are incapable (both of you) of having a serious conversation as it rectracts attention from you and your little games. There are real people,who are hurting. My heart goes out to every one them.
          Then there are the likes of you two
          You will never get better. You will always be in pain. Its obvious that your pain has driven you into seclusion,and seperated you from friends and family
          I totally feel sorry for you. Spewing hate is the best you can come up with to seek attention. Maybe if you really said how you feel,and were honest with yourself and others. I know.. Tall order for small people like yourselves
          Maybe if you werent such assholes
          Good luck with that


          The Truth Hurts me I hate post like this.


          by liarsexposed » 31 minutes ago

          Gonna voice my opnion,and hopefully not piss off the masses
          I dont see alot of Elan people here. Never really have. I only see the same people, post the same kind of articles, and spending countless hours, creating videos
          and websites to make a point that is mute.
          Its over. Its been over. Our abusers are mostly dead,and burried. The ones that ARE still alive,have yet to face their maker. But they will,and they will all get what they have comin to them
          Either you get better,or you dont. YES Elan was horrible. Everything that I have read,is the truth,(mostly)and its terrible. I lived it too
          But .........
          Its 30 years ago today for me since I left that hell hole. I suffered just like anyone else. Maybe not as much as others,maybe more than some. But I found that at some point,I had to make changes. It was no longer about Elan,and it was my responsibility to make a life for myself.
          Unfortunately I still have some nightmares once in a great while. But really,the only time I think about Elan, is when I read the info on the internet. In my 30 years of reading,and talking to people,I have yet to read something new. Unless of course you count the Mark and Sharon Show.
          If you are still suffering,and Elan is to blame,I suggest you get some help. PTSD is a real illness and treatable.
          But if you continue to live in the past,you have nothing to look forward to. I cant speak for everyone,but MY life is pretty good. Sure I could have more money,bigger house,more toys etc.. But I feel blessed,and am grateful I am not eating Eggplant Parm on Wed nights
          To this day,I will not eat Eggplant
          Happy Holidays and God Bless You.

          I don't know what happens with my mouth sometimes. :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:


          "Art" all you do is start fights and follow people around and try and cause them trouble .You are the one still living the programs my friend.I have brought good conversation and debate here and when someone joins in like some of my friends who are very good at research you chime in with problems. So don't call the Kettle Black "Bucko"!!!!



          I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.

          I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing.

          Earth is the insane asylum for the universe.

          Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive]
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Whoooter on December 18, 2010, 11:42:23 AM
          Quote from: "Whoooter"
          Quote from: "Danny B II"
          Quote from: "liersexposed"
          Quote from: "liersexposed"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Dear Sharon and Marky
          I am sorry you saw the word dumb somewhere...  I didnt,nor did anyone else. But as I have said many times before. You are incapable (both of you) of having a serious conversation as it rectracts attention from you and your little games. There are real people,who are hurting. My heart goes out to every one them.
          Then there are the likes of you two
          You will never get better. You will always be in pain. Its obvious that your pain has driven you into seclusion,and seperated you from friends and family
          I totally feel sorry for you. Spewing hate is the best you can come up with to seek attention. Maybe if you really said how you feel,and were honest with yourself and others. I know.. Tall order for small people like yourselves
          Maybe if you werent such assholes
          Good luck with that


          The Truth Hurts me I hate post like this.


          by liarsexposed » 31 minutes ago

          Gonna voice my opnion,and hopefully not piss off the masses
          I dont see alot of Elan people here. Never really have. I only see the same people, post the same kind of articles, and spending countless hours, creating videos
          and websites to make a point that is mute.
          Its over. Its been over. Our abusers are mostly dead,and burried. The ones that ARE still alive,have yet to face their maker. But they will,and they will all get what they have comin to them
          Either you get better,or you dont. YES Elan was horrible. Everything that I have read,is the truth,(mostly)and its terrible. I lived it too
          But .........
          Its 30 years ago today for me since I left that hell hole. I suffered just like anyone else. Maybe not as much as others,maybe more than some. But I found that at some point,I had to make changes. It was no longer about Elan,and it was my responsibility to make a life for myself.
          Unfortunately I still have some nightmares once in a great while. But really,the only time I think about Elan, is when I read the info on the internet. In my 30 years of reading,and talking to people,I have yet to read something new. Unless of course you count the Mark and Sharon Show.
          If you are still suffering,and Elan is to blame,I suggest you get some help. PTSD is a real illness and treatable.
          But if you continue to live in the past,you have nothing to look forward to. I cant speak for everyone,but MY life is pretty good. Sure I could have more money,bigger house,more toys etc.. But I feel blessed,and am grateful I am not eating Eggplant Parm on Wed nights
          To this day,I will not eat Eggplant
          Happy Holidays and God Bless You.

          I don't know what happens with my mouth sometimes. :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:


          "Art" all you do is start fights and follow people around and try and cause them trouble .You are the one still living the programs my friend.I have brought good conversation and debate here and when someone joins in like some of my friends who are very good at research you chime in with problems. So don't call the Kettle Black "Bucko"!!!!



          I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.

          I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing.

          Earth is the insane asylum for the universe.

          Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive]
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 18, 2010, 11:57:08 AM
          Art" all you do is start fights and follow people around and try and cause them trouble .You are the one still living the programs my friend.I have brought good conversation and debate here and when someone joins in like some of my friends who are very good at

          Danny
          My post in the other forum was not meant to start a fight. Tho,the fight never ended that tweedle dee and tweedle dumb started a year ago. I simply explained how I feel about elan. Its exactly what I wrote about prior. Fornits has become a place that we cannot share our feelings and inner-most thoughts as a result of the scumbags Markly and Sharon.
          If you find the word dumb in my post.. please underline and show me. If they took my post as calling someone dumb,that would be on them,as that was not how it was intended.
           
          Art" all you do is start fights and follow people around and try and cause them trouble
           
          Interesting you post this as not too long ago,it was you who had 200 threads about nothing,except to piss people off. So I would be careful how close to that glass house you are standing.
          The BS is nothing more than an attention grab,by a couple trolls who dont even sign in as themselves any more.. and I know why.
          Try to have a good day Danny,and stay out of things you know nothing about
          Will be good for both of us
          the Silliness that IS Mark and Sharon only shows 2 damaged people desperate to do wrong
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Danny B II on December 18, 2010, 05:22:57 PM
          :peace: Find Peace @Art.. :peace:  :peace:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB ll on December 18, 2010, 06:11:22 PM
          Quote from: "Danny B II"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Art" all you do is start fights and follow people around and try and cause them trouble .You are the one still living the programs my friend.I have brought good conversation and debate here and when someone joins in like some of my friends who are very good at

          Danny
          My post in the other forum was not meant to start a fight. Tho,the fight never ended that tweedle dee and tweedle dumb started a year ago. I simply explained how I feel about elan. Its exactly what I wrote about prior. Fornits has become a place that we cannot share our feelings and inner-most thoughts as a result of the scumbags Markly and Sharon.
          If you find the word dumb in my post.. please underline and show me. If they took my post as calling someone dumb,that would be on them,as that was not how it was intended.
           
          Art" all you do is start fights and follow people around and try and cause them trouble
           
          Interesting you post this as not too long ago,it was you who had 200 threads about nothing,except to piss people off. So I would be careful how close to that glass house you are standing.
          The BS is nothing more than an attention grab,by a couple trolls who dont even sign in as themselves any more.. and I know why.
          Try to have a good day Danny,and stay out of things you know nothing about
          Will be good for both of us
          the Silliness that IS Mark and Sharon only shows 2 damaged people desperate to do wrong


          @Art, hope you can find it possible to connect again with Elan.I think it would be so much more interesting if we all could discuss the events that happened within this story. Lets give it a try. I have been talking to fellow residents while I was away. It has been a long time since I have posted here and as I can see @Art you haven't changed a bit.Trying to conduct any sort of "debate" with an  assclown like you @Art is like trying to screw a gorilla in the ass with no vaseline. Art, damn it, This is something that you should be able to rise above and do the right thing.If you want to discuss issues in the forum then watch your mouth. There is no reason for vulgarity or calling people names. So your argument is that because you felt other people were lying, it was okay for you to do so as well? I'm not interesting in hearing about your motivations, or your attempts to spin your actions by claiming you were "adding balance". I'm just looking for a simple yes or no. Do you lie all the time @Art??????...


          by liarsexposed »


          I didnt say that at all Danny. Why would you think that ?
          Pain is inevitable. Suffering is an option.
          This forum and many like it,only continue the drama,and feed the suffering of those who participate. Have you not seen the thousands of personal attacks ? Have you not noticed that maybe 4-5 people participate,but hundreds read it ?
          Why do you think the hundreds dont participate ?
          You dont have to choose a side,to see a real sickness, in those who seek to hurt others. Though from your previous posts its obvious that the meaning behind what I wrote was lost to anger and bile. Im sorry that you are still affected by your experience. There's no shame in needing help and if you do,you should get some. That is NOT to say that I think you need help. Just a broad statement. Thats between you and god.
          Fornits does a very poor job of showing off those who have recovered. Always has. Its a one sided version of people's experiences during and after Elan. Everything I have read (mostly) has been very negative,and in sharp contrast to those who actually live life,have a life,and is not stuck in the Diningroom in Poland Springs.
          This is another encounter group where a select few have come to hurt others.40-50 kids per house in Poland x's 4 houses. Over 30 years... Do the math... yet only 4-5 people participate here. (not counting the screen names made up by all of you) I have seen no other purpose served here.
          Please correct me if I am wrong. I dont think you can.
          BTW thanks .. I AM an old man.. but this old man lives life to the fullest. I never signed in as someone else,and the only reason I returned in March of this year was to defend myself from the 2 stooges.
          Gotta run as I am playing a benefit for a cancer victim's family in Vernon Hills
          Happy Holiday

          You just do not get it @Art..??? :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:


          I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.

          I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing.

          Earth is the insane asylum for the universe.

          Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 18, 2010, 10:13:01 PM
          Lets address the truth girls
           
          friends who are very good at research
           
          If I had all day,every day,to dig up dirt on all but closed subject.. I bet I would be good at research too
          Mark is an un-employable,lying scumbag. He is but a common thief. Whether he walked into a store and stole merchandise,or came to my FB page and took pictures. Its all the same theivery.
          That was the start of this,and the end,is what you have been reduced to. Trolling,signing in as others. Pretending.
          Kinda fucked up for an adult to pull the crap he has.
          I have found peace. I have found peace in exposing you for what you really are. Your online persona,is nothing like who you really are Marky. The life that most adults live is beyond your keyboard. You are simply a coward who will burn in hell.
          I feel pretty good about where you are going.
          I feel even better about where Im at
          Shame about your illness
          Crime about Sharon (she has no shame)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 19, 2010, 08:07:53 AM
          @Art, hope you can find it possible to connect again with Elan.I think it would be so much more interesting if we all could discuss the events that happened within this story. Lets give it a try. I have been talking to fellow residents while I was away. It has been a long time since I have posted here and as I can see @Art you haven't changed a bit.Trying to conduct any sort of "debate" with an assclown like you @Art is like trying to screw a gorilla in the ass with no vaseline. Art, damn it, This is something that you should be able to rise above and do the right thing.If you want to discuss issues in the forum then watch your mouth. There is no reason for vulgarity or calling people names. So your argument is that because you felt other people were lying, it was okay for you to do so as well? I'm not interesting in hearing about your motivations, or your attempts to spin your actions by claiming you were "adding balance". I'm just looking for a simple yes or no. Do you lie all the time @Art??????...
          Again...Still @ Marky and Sharon
          You will 1st have to show me what lies you speak of. Thus far,in almost a year,you have not. I dont need to lie. The truth is more disgusting than any fiction I could make up.
          You picked a fight,you got one. I told the truth,you got your little feelers hurt.
          That pretty much sums it up girls
          what you are interested in,or not is unimportant to me. I say what I want/feel... any time I damn well please
          If you dont like it.. Go fuck yourself... How do ya like me now ?
          What do you get when you add zero plus zero ??
          Mark and Sharon.. this is as good as it gets for you.. and your motivation ? Cuz I wouldnt join your little cult of bile and bullshit?
          Did I mention you could go fuck yourselves ?

          Grow up,grow a pair,and try to do something positive with your lives. Maybe you can redeem yourselves and not spend eternity burning in hell.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 19, 2010, 08:09:30 AM
          You are getting worse and worse at this game Marky/Sharon
          This is what you have been reduced to
          Pretending to be Danny.
          I should mail you a rattle and a BIG pack of Pampers!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 19, 2010, 09:23:10 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          You are getting worse and worse at this game Marky/Sharon
          This is what you have been reduced to
          Pretending to be Danny.
          I should mail you a rattle and a BIG pack of Pampers!


           :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa: Poor Arty.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 19, 2010, 12:34:34 PM
          I think I made a scumbag or 2 cry
           :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          Now if we could just have them kill themselves.... This place would be better for everyone!
           :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Whoooter on December 20, 2010, 05:50:27 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          I think I made a scumbag or 2 cry
           :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          Now if we could just have them kill themselves.... This place would be better for everyone!
           :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:

          Fuck You Art. :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 20, 2010, 06:18:52 PM
          Phew.... that was close
          You almost hurt my feelings
          Maybe you can get Obama to call you if you threaten suicide again
          Set the bar a little higher
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 21, 2010, 09:45:41 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Phew.... that was close
          You almost hurt my feelings
          Maybe you can get Obama to call you if you threaten suicide again
          Set the bar a little higher

           
          Whoooter wrote:
          liarsexposed wrote:
          Coincidence ?


          Fuck You Art.  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on December 21, 2010, 09:51:55 AM
          The Elan Dictionary

          (terms with pages open in a new window for convenience)

          Acquiring Guilt- knowingly breaking Elan rules

          “Act as if”- “blindly follow our rules as if they were true, regardless of what you may actually believe”

          Acting Out- not following the rules

          The Annex- a place we sometimes went for gym, it was a building off campus; it was great to go there because we got to get into a bus, this was a big deal

          Announcements (see Basics)- a sitting resident would raise their hand until COD called on them, they would ask to make an announcement and if answered with a yes, they would approach the front of the dining room and loudly exclaim “Can I have everyone’s attention please!”, at this point every resident in sight was expected to instantly stop whatever they were doing, including talking (mid-sentence) and look up to the resident making the announcement; a typical announcement was “Quiet down please, the house is too loud”, in the process of making one announcement 20 or 30 people would be booked by zones for not pausing quick enough

          Bagel Day

          Ban (5 foot) or (10 foot)- used against two or more residents, this LE meant that you had to be at least that many feet from one another at all times, 24 hours a day, under the punishment of being booked; this was an LE usually reserved for those accused of having a serious contract, this could also be effectively used to keep two or more new residents in check if they are all independently considered to be split-risks; other residents loved this because it gave them a chance to book you if you broke it by even 6 inches

          Basics- book incidents, drop slips, relate, get your stuff accepted

          Baseball- a sport the boys played once a week during the summer, house vs. house, one of the few times you realized their were other people on the complex, you would be booked for not wearing your ‘house shirt’ on that day

          Basketball team-

          Basketball Court

          Bathroom, using the

          Bathroom Stall doors

          Bathroom Privs

          “Be aware?”- asking a third party to “witness” an interaction

          Bedbox- a 12 inch long/6 inch wide/4 inch deep plastic box which was housed every resident’s “personal stuff”, this included your soap dish, toothbrush, toothpaste, and anything else you “earned” the right to have, you were only allowed to have whatever you could fit into the box, and the lid had to fit

          Big Brother/Sister

          Big Kitchen- attached to the Elan 3 building, it was run by an adult chef who turned out the meals for the complex with the help of an EMBC resident

          Blast- a punishment reserved for member of the X’s, a quick knocking session where the lower rank was yelled at very loudly, usually for a security flaw, and given an LE; many people could be blasted at once

          The Book- an actual notebook carried around by a high strength know as SOD, students would approach SOD and “book” other students; a student could get booked for anything (even something positive, though this rarely, if ever, happened); you could book multiple students at once and more than one student could book a single student; since students had to book others on a daily basis, the book itself could consist of over 300 incidents daily; the book was handed over to a staff member who would judge each incident and write a consequence (see LE) depending on the nature of the incident; each incident required a dealing crew, and it would be taken out as either a VR, VRtt, or the rare tt; the book was supposed to be a tool for the children to be able to hold one another accountable, but was more often used as a weapon to torment and get back at one another; it was further proof that you were always under surveillance; you didn’t find out until the following day what you were booked for, and every day you were booked at least once, only once if you were lucky

          Booked in school, getting- you could get booked by teachers for offenses like talking back, falling asleep, or getting on their bad side; it was very bad to get booked in school and would lead to very serious consequences

          Booking Incidents (see Basics)

          Bottom Bunk Privs

          Bright L.E.- a learning experience usually reserved for split-risks and new residents with “images” or attitude problems; it involved a bright pair of short shorts (usually pink), and a bright short sleeve t-shirt (usually orange)

          Bring-ups- a basic request written on a small piece of paper which had to be reviewed and then accepted by multiple people above you in the house structure, once you had the proper signatures, you had to raise your hand and hand the “slip” to COD, who would eventually take it back to the staff office to be answered with either a Y or a N; staff would hand it back to COD, eventually, and eventually it would make its way back to you; a very common bring-up was to use the bathroom or request a glass of water  

          Brunch

          Business Office (location)

          Business Office Crew (BO)- a group of students in charge of the business aspects of the house; like how many candy-packs and sodas needed to be ordered and who would received them  

          Call- a loud exclamation made by a staff member or student which is then echoed across the house by the zones

          Candy Packs- formerly cigarette packs, a candy pack was a pack of gum and a couple tootsie-pops; these were handed out to those who earned them that week

          Cardinal Rules- no sex, no drugs, no violence; breaking a cardinal rule could set your time in Elan back to zero, lead to a 3-house GM, Ring, or long stint in The Corner

          Challenge- not agreeing with another student’s pull-up, you had to do it anyway and then wait 20 minutes before you could “challenge” it; “Challenge it in 20!” was a common come-back for anyone who reacted to an order you gave them

          Chief!- a “call” which was echoed loudly by the zones, meaning that a very serious and potentially dangerous and/or violent action was currently occurring or about to occur; the Chief was one of the only people in the house allowed to answer violence with violence at his or her discretion

          Chief (rank)- Chief of police, chief of security, the house bad-ass, the guy or girl you did not want to mess with

          Chief Key- opens the lock to the back closet, where the flashlights and zipties are housed

          Class- highest ranking strength sits by the door

          Clean & Deal- occurring 3 or 4 times a day, the period of time reserved for cleaning the house and taking out dealing crews to bring down the book

          Cleaning Elan One and Switchboard- every day two people were chosen to sweep, dust, and mop the offices at Elan One and at the Switchboard, they were given a very strict time-limit  

          Clipboard-

          Clothing- we were allowed only the bare minimum of clothing and it could not represent a brand or portray a personal image; all of our clothing fit into our one drawer with jackets and shoes in the closet

          Clothing Chart- every day a resident was in charge of cataloguing what every resident of the house was wearing, this made it easy to see if anyone was wearing dark-on-dark and making sure they were dealt with and taken back into the dorms to change; the clothing chart had to be finished before  breakfast ended; if someone split, they were easier to find based on knowing their clothing in advance

          COD- Coordinator on Duty; every day a Coordinator was chosen to run the house from morning to night, anything that went wrong that day was considered that students fault, especially security flaws or problems with the schedule; if there were only two Coordinators because the others were shutdown or demoted, then those two had to switch every other day  

          COF

          Communications Office

          Communications Office Crew (CM)

          Concept Christmas- since the staff wanted to be home for Christmas, the students in the house had to celebrate “Christmas” up to a week earlier and then treat December 25 like any other normal day

          Conditioner

          Contract aka Contracting-Out- acting loose with a certain person, not treating another resident the way you are forced to treat all the others, being friendly with somebody else, having an inside joke with somebody else, not getting your feelings off for a certain person for too long

          Coordinator (rank)- the first rank in the house where you are allowed to bring-up for Graduation Dates

          Coordinator Meeting- at the end of everyday, COD goes back to the Staff Office with the other Coordinators to discuss Worker of the Day and

          Coordinator 6-pack- formerly known as Coordinator carton (of cigarettes), being a Coordinator got you a 6-pack of soda every week, some used them as rewards to give to workers

          “Cop to your guilt!” aka “Cop to it”- being handed a blank piece of paper and told to fill it up with your “Guilt” and the LE’s you feel like you deserve for having that particular Guilt

          The Corner aka isolation- being forced into one of the offices which is then cleared out to become an isolation room, you are put into a wooden chair a few inches away from the corner of the room and watched by an SP who catalogs everything that you do or say

          Corrupt, being- knowingly acquiring guilt and/or abusing your power, especially while in a position of Strength or High-Strength

          Couch Privs-

          Cross Country

          Dark-on-Dark- wearing dark pants or shorts and a dark shirt at the same time, any clothing which would make you easily blend into the forest if you ran away

          “Deal!”- an order to become a part of a 4-person dealing crew(s)

          Dealing Crew- 4 people (both Strength and Non) forced to give out VR’s and/or tt’s to a resident(s) who was booked or who did something which would require a dealing crew; most dealing crews ended with an LE which was then told to the person on the zone whose job it was to keep a written record of the punishments

          De-licing- a treatment you had to use when first entering Elan, or when coming back from a visit, you immediately went to a shower upon entering the house and were given a “treatment” to wash your hair with; this also gave staff the time to go through your pockets and otherwise search whatever you entered the house with

          Demoted- losing your job and being forced into a lower position

          Department Head (rank)- the leader of a crew, in charge of the Ramrods and Workers of your crew, you mainly answer to the Coordinator of your crew

          Department Head of the week?

          Dichotomy or In dichotomy- Elan-speak for “in rank” or according to your position on the house structure sheet; we would pass out the food in dichotomy, we also Knocked in dichotomy

          Dining Room- the biggest room in my house, where most of the day was spent

          Dining Room charts- a student-made chart which was later approved by staff, changed weekly, which recorded where everyone had to sit in the dining room; people were moved around a lot to prevent Contracts from forming

          The Dorms- where we all slept, the place where we never were

          Dorm accepted, getting your

          Dorm changes- every week we all had to switch beds and/or dorms, we had to move all of our clothing and our bedbox to the new bed and/or dorm

          Dorm charts- a student-made chart which was later approved by staff, changed weekly, which recorded where everyone had to sleep; people were moved around a lot to prevent contracts from forming

          Drawer- we all had an assigned drawer in our dorm, it was about as big as a bedbug, all of our clothes had to be tightly rolled up to fit

          Dropping Slips (see Basics)- we had to take a small slip of paper, write TO: (name of resident who gave us a feeling) FR: (name of resident dropping the slip) and a letter representing one of the 5 basic feelings with a circle around it (see Five Basic Feelings); these slips were recorded at the end of everyday and apparently used to form Encounter Group rosters

          e4 meal (corner student)- the meal for the corner student, it was supposed to represent (e)ssential four, which was Elan-speak for just give them barely enough, we all starve, but make them really feel it  

          Echos, zone- Zones were supposed to “echo”, or loudly scream, all calls so that a call made in one part of the house would reach the entire house within seconds; this added even more screaming to a house already filled with too much

          Education Privs- if you are in The Corner, you have lost your right to an education, if you remain in The Corner for many, many months in a row, you may bring up for education privs

          The Elan Philosophy- a bunch of psychobabble written on a piece of wood hanging from the front of the dining room, the Elan Philosophy was read by a student every single morning and night and by every new resident on their first day

          E.M.B.C.- (e)arly (m)orning (b)reakfast (c)ook

          Encapsulate it- absorb it, be it, believe it

          Encounter Group-

          “Everything Blows!”- in the dorms: lights out, no sudden movements, no sitting up in bed, no getting out of bed, no more talking, if someone sneezes, you better not say “God bless you”; go to sleep, or else

          Exercise Privs- you are not allowed to so much as do a single sit-up in Elan without first earning the right

          Expeditor (rank)- the first rank of Strength, your first taste of security detail

          Eyes as in “Having Eyes for someone”- being sexually interested in someone

          Facial Hair Privs- only Full Coordinator or above could earn facial hair

          Falling asleep while pulling- shotdown

          Fi-fi-

          Fire Hazard-

          Five basic feelings- A for anger, I for intimidation, J for jealousy, L for loneliness

          Flashlights- kept locked in a closet only the chief has the key to, only

          Floor, the- a term used for “the house”, the place where we performed for “the program”, not in the dorms

          Front closet aka broom closet

          Full Coordinator- a position in the house almost never reached by anyone, it meant that you did such a good job as a Coordinator that you were promoted, it meant that you did not have to be COD as often and that you were now in charge of the other Coordinators

          Gamey aka “Playing Games”- being sexually suggestive

          General Meeting- everyone in the house getting

          “Get your feelings off!”- let the screaming begin, talking loudly isn’t correct, screaming is correct

          G.I.- scrub with a sponge  

          G.I. toilets/movie/mops/trashcans/1hr/2hr/

          Glamorizing-

          Graduation

          Graduation Dates

          Guilt

          Guilt Letter

          Guru (rank)

          Gym- once a week

          Haircut day- every few months someone came in and cut everyones hair, only the most basic cuts were allowed so as not to enhance anyone’s image

          Haircut privs-

          Head count, make a- performed multiple times throughout the day, Headcounts was called to the dining room to read the names of the house population, a verbal response was needed from each student before moving on to the next name; those not there required confirmation from a Coordinator or staff

          Headcounts

          High Strength- Shingle Expeditor rank and above

          Hitting the pan- doing all the house dishes in rapid succession

          Hogtie(d)- using tiptoes on the hands, then feet, then zipping those two sections together behind the back of the child, and laying them on their stomach

          Holding a zone- temporarily guarding a zone, for example: to let the person assigned to the zone get their feelings off without leaving the zone unprotected

          Holding Big Brother/Sister-

          Holding the SP-

          Hospital Corners-

          “House in the Dining Room!”-

          House Meeting

          House trips

          House Wake Up!- screamed loudly every morning at 7am sharp, this is how we all woke-up, every morning

          House Wake Up! General Meeting!- waking up the house instantly to a General Meeting

          Hygiene Time

          Image aka Imaging Out- whatever made you you before Elan, this included your style, aka yo, prep, hippie, etc…

          Jewelry Privs

          Kitchen (location)

          Kitchen Crew (KC)

          Knock! aka Knocking (see Dealing Crew)

          Knee pads- a small piece of material you could request to use while doing a long stint of GI’ing, it was meant to protect the bones in your knees from the hard tile floors you were going to spend many hours kneeling on

          Laces, loosing- your shoelaces were taken away, making it next to impossible to attempt a split

          The Lake

          Laundry Day

          L.E.

          Letter privs

          Lights Blow!- no more lights in the dorms, you can still talk or sit up in bed, but you cannot leave your bed without being considered a split-risk

          “Line-up!”

          “Little Red Schoolhouse”

          Long sleeve shirt privs

          Loose

          Maine Visit

          The meal aka meal kicks/blows

          the Meal, taking out-

          MMR- news, weather, poem; title page and content page

          Morning Meeting

          Music Privs- music must be earned

          New Resident- anyone who has been in Elan for under 4 months

          Night Guard- in the woods

          Nightman- in the house

          Non-Strength

          On campus visit

          One on One- a male and female left alone, this was never allowed

          Out of Dining Room Privs

          “Out there”- the normal world, the one you kind of remember before spending so long at Elan that it seems like THAT world is the made up fantasy

          Outside Time

          Parent Group

          Personal Food- anything that comes to you in a package from home and is accepted and allowed by staff

          Personal Food Closet (PFC)- the closet which housed everyone’s personal food, this closet was always locked, the coordinator of kitchen had the key?

          Personal Pillow- those in very high positions were allowed to have their own pillow, instead of the horrible one provided by Elan

          Philosophies

          Phone Call (weekly)- 20 minutes, once a week, with an SP listening

          Phone Call Privs

          Phone Conference (1st)

          Pizza & Soda

          Plaque

          Positive talking to- the black swan of Elan, a truly odd occurrence where you were booked by someone for doing something positive

          Production (time)

          Production (noun)

          Production of the Week

          Program, the

          Pull-Up- a direct order, not to be confused with a suggestion

          Pulling (night owl) or (corner student) or (big-brother/sister)

          Pulling sleep

          Pulling tray

          Ramrod (rank)

          Ramrod of Service Crew

          Razor cards

          Razor Rabbit

          Reacting

          Reading Privs- reading a book outside of school

          Rec trips

          Re-entry (rank)

          Re-entry (dorms/building)

          Relate aka Relating- talking about “the program” and other areas of interest Elan finds beneficial for your progress

          Resident of the Week

          Restraints aka zipties- plastic zipties used to handcuff a child’s hand and/or feet; multiple zipties usually have to be used, 2 or 3 on the wrist’s alone  

          The Ring

          Road Race

          Roaming Expeditor

          Scarborough Downs

          Schedules

          School

          Seconds in dichotomy

          Senior Shingle Expeditor(rank)

          Service Crew (SC)

          Shampoo

          Shaving

          Shaving Cream

          Shingle Expeditor(rank)

          Shotdown

          Showers, 4 minute- the highest strength are allowed to shower in the morning, and the remainder are forced to shower at night

          Shower, pulling- after a person pulled, they could take a shower, and since the rest of the house had a

          Sideways- alluding to something in an in-direct way

          Signing Out- technically you are allowed to “sign yourself out” the day that you turn 18 and are legally an adult, technically

          Slipbox- a box in the front of the dining room where you put your slips, you must ask COD before you can get out of your seat to approach it

          Snack- a bag of chips/ a piece of fruit at nighttime after school

          Soccer

          SOD- Shingle on Duty

          SOF- Shingle on the Floor

          Split aka Split-Risk aka Splitting- running away, trying to leave the dining room or dorms at night/house/complex/county/state/SP

          Split Risk- new residents and/or students who have not fully comformed to the will of “the program”

          Staff- a motley crew of untrained and overpaid adults

          Staff Office (SO)- the office where staff resided

          Static Group- a group meant for talking, instead of screaming

          Strength- Expeditor rank and above

          Strength Soda- a soda that you got every week for being a strength

          Student of the Week- the best student for that week, as chosen by the teachers and accepted by the Coordinators and staff

          Study Hall- every Friday from 7pm-11pm, this was our only time outside of class to do ‘homework’

          Stuff accepted, getting your- bedbox, drawer, bed

          Support Person (SP)- a student chosen to be in charge of another

          “Switch!”- yelled by the school-zones to indicate change of class

          Switchboard (separate building)

          Theme of the Day- a “theme” chosen everyday by COD; ex: What Goes Around Comes Around

          “Tighten Up!”- stop being loose; stop being funny; why aren’t you being serious all the time? this is Elan, focus on “the program” and nothing else, period

          Tours- meticulously scheduled and then given by a chosen “poster-child”; they are told how to answer questions, where to go, when to go, where not to go, when not to go, what not to say, what not to do, what not to expose

          Track Team

          Trackers, student- a group of very trusted, strong, and fast high-strength who are given flashlights and sent out of the house to search through the woods for a runaway; bring them back or else

          Vegetarian Substitute- a veggie burger, a peanut butter and jelly sandwich if you bring-up

          VR

          VR talking to

          Weekend Movie(s)

          Weekend packet

          Weekend trips

          Window Privs

          Writing Privs

          Worker (rank)

          Worker of the Day- chosen at the end of the day by COD and accepted by a staff member, given a soda

          X’s (crew)

          X’s Office

          Zones

          Zones, school
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on December 21, 2010, 09:53:11 AM
          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... nP8MtkadIw (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CCgQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwikimapia.org%2F5738003%2FElan-One-central-offices-of-Elan-school&ei=cr4QTfazGI-6ngf_u-SzDg&usg=AFQjCNF82H-WADs9PaNZoRD5nP8MtkadIw)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 21, 2010, 10:25:52 AM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CCgQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwikimapia.org%2F5738003%2FElan-One-central-offices-of-Elan-school&ei=cr4QTfazGI-6ngf_u-SzDg&usg=AFQjCNF82H-WADs9PaNZoRD5nP8MtkadIw

          2010 (almost 11) and still stuck in Poland Springs
          Musta been your glory days before prison
          Which is where you and your partner belong
          Locked in a cage like the animals you are
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 22, 2010, 10:25:40 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CCgQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwikimapia.org%2F5738003%2FElan-One-central-offices-of-Elan-school&ei=cr4QTfazGI-6ngf_u-SzDg&usg=AFQjCNF82H-WADs9PaNZoRD5nP8MtkadIw

          2010 (almost 11) and still stuck in Poland Springs
          Musta been your glory days before prison
          Which is where you and your partner belong
          Locked in a cage like the animals you are

                                                                                       
          Fuck You Art.  :seg:  :seg:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 22, 2010, 12:54:58 PM
          HA
          I always know when I hurt your little feelers Sharon/Marky
          The truth kills ya
          Scum of the earth!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 22, 2010, 05:04:47 PM
          Quote from: "Farty"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CCgQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwikimapia.org%2F5738003%2FElan-One-central-offices-of-Elan-school&ei=cr4QTfazGI-6ngf_u-SzDg&usg=AFQjCNF82H-WADs9PaNZoRD5nP8MtkadIw

          2010 (almost 11) and still stuck in Poland Springs
          Musta been your glory days before prison
          Which is where you and your partner belong
          Locked in a cage like the animals you are

                                                                                       
          Fuck You Art.  :seg:  :seg:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 22, 2010, 06:16:56 PM
          Its ok to cry girls
          I will be the only one responding to you
          But hundreds are laughing at you
          and you know it
          nite girls
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 22, 2010, 10:06:11 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Its ok to cry girls
          I will be the only one responding to you
          But hundreds are laughing at you
          and you know it
          nite girls



          Fuck You Art. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 23, 2010, 09:01:48 AM
          HAHAHA
          Your SHIT
          viewtopic.php?f=79&t=32412&start=45 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=79&t=32412&start=45)
          Right where it/you belong
          In the drama thread
          Could you put on your big girl panties and stop crying ?
          I doubt it
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 23, 2010, 09:08:15 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          HAHAHA
          Your SHIT
          viewtopic.php?f=79&t=32412&start=45 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=79&t=32412&start=45)
          Right where it/you belong
          In the drama thread
          Could you put on your big girl panties and stop crying ?
          I doubt it

          Fuck You Art. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Danny B II on December 23, 2010, 09:14:23 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          HAHAHA
          Your SHIT
          viewtopic.php?f=79&t=32412&start=45 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=79&t=32412&start=45)
          Right where it/you belong
          In the drama thread
          Could you put on your big girl panties and stop crying ?
          I doubt it

          I found you something to chew on old friend.

          Happy Holidays. :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 23, 2010, 11:06:39 AM
          Thats would be funny if it came from a 12 yr old
          But coming from you
          Its like holding my nose as I drive through the freeway that you call a pussy
          In Volvo 18 wheeler
          Merry Christmas little girls
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 23, 2010, 12:13:48 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Thats would be funny if it came from a 12 yr old
          But coming from you
          Its like holding my nose as I drive through the freeway that you call a pussy
          In Volvo 18 wheeler
          Merry Christmas little girls

          Fuck You Art.   :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 23, 2010, 01:15:27 PM
          Quote from: "Farty"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Thats would be funny if it came from a 12 yr old
          But coming from you
          Its like holding my nose as I drive through the freeway that you call a pussy
          In Volvo 18 wheeler
          Merry Christmas little girls

          Fuck You Art.   :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Sharon/Marky showing off your communication skills again
          must be the only 3 words you 2 can spell
          Try and make your holiday BILE free
          I doubt you can
           :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 23, 2010, 02:03:51 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "Farty"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Thats would be funny if it came from a 12 yr old
          But coming from you
          Its like holding my nose as I drive through the freeway that you call a pussy
          In Volvo 18 wheeler
          Merry Christmas little girls

          Fuck You Art.   :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Sharon/Marky showing off your communication skills again
          must be the only 3 words you 2 can spell
          Try and make your holiday BILE free
          I doubt you can
           :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:

          Fuck You Art.  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 23, 2010, 02:31:28 PM
          Quote from: "Farty"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "Farty"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Thats would be funny if it came from a 12 yr old
          But coming from you
          Its like holding my nose as I drive through the freeway that you call a pussy
          In Volvo 18 wheeler
          Merry Christmas little girls

          Fuck You Art.   :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Sharon/Marky showing off your communication skills again
          must be the only 3 words you 2 can spell
          Try and make your holiday BILE free
          I doubt you can
           :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:
          LOL
          Yer cute when you cry Marky/Sharon
          Good thing you have no children Marky
          Sharon has already done time for being abusive to children
          I bet she is a SuperDuper Mommy now  ::puke::  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          Fuck You Art.  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 23, 2010, 03:36:07 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "Farty"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "Farty"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Thats would be funny if it came from a 12 yr old
          But coming from you
          Its like holding my nose as I drive through the freeway that you call a pussy
          In Volvo 18 wheeler
          Merry Christmas little girls

          Fuck You Art.   :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Sharon/Marky showing off your communication skills again
          must be the only 3 words you 2 can spell
          Try and make your holiday BILE free
          I doubt you can
           :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:
          LOL
          Yer cute when you cry Marky/Sharon
          Good thing you have no children Marky
          Sharon has already done time for being abusive to children
          I bet she is a SuperDuper Mommy now  ::puke::  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          Fuck You Art.  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Fuck You Art. Does your daughter know about your past??
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 23, 2010, 07:51:53 PM
          pretty desperate shaon...marky
          in fact they know all
          including who and what you are.
          my oldesr would beat you bloody given
          the chance...my youngest would love to
          have a reason to see you rot in prison
          i think you should call them..harrass
          the shit outa them haha
          pretty desperate girls
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 23, 2010, 08:38:29 PM
          Good reading
          Was addressed to me
          "LOL"
          Jim Beam: lol

          Jim Beam: I have to use a proxy

          Jim Beam: no matter relay messages for us

          Felice Eliscu: ok

          Jim Beam: lol

          Felice Eliscu: Sharron is on the phone whinig over mark

          Jim Beam: hahaha

          Jim Beam: tell her this..

          Jim Beam: a true hater of elan wouldn't be pissing around with a facebook group

          Felice Eliscu: she is crying about mark literally

          Jim Beam: manipulatin'

          Jim Beam: call her on it

          Felice Eliscu: she wants you to add mark to fornits

          Felice Eliscu:

          Jim Beam: no comment

          Jim Beam: but tell her if she keeps bothering me I'll start the, "Mark Babitz is a roaring pedophile" facebook group

          Jim Beam: hell, matt hoffman already sent me a mesage apologizing for the idiots on the fb group

          Felice Eliscu: matt is the bomb

          Jim Beam: exactly

          Felice Eliscu: she got the message finally!

          Jim Beam: you pimp slap her?

          Felice Eliscu: she says he'll be back, I told her you have secret software that see's his IP to ban him and she bought it.

          Felice Eliscu:

          Felice Eliscu: I told her we at fornits do not have to deal with marky

          Jim Beam: lol

          Jim Beam: hahaah

          Jim Beam: fuck I don't care

          Felice Eliscu: your so drunk lol

          Jim Beam: more than that

          Jim Beam: I'm just tired of bullshit

          Felice Eliscu: I was tierd yeras ago

          Jim Beam: yep

          Jim Beam: retard still crying?

          Felice Eliscu: I know

          Jim Beam: she is?

          Jim Beam: jesus fucking a

          Felice Eliscu: no, I totally told her off ans said that her and mark can play games elsewhere, she is starting her own fornits FB site

          Jim Beam: lol
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 23, 2010, 08:39:54 PM
          Sorry Aaron
          Just sharin the laughs
          good bye aaron I got better things to do than to argue with an unresoanable person

          12:02amAaron
          thank god

          Yesterday

          12:03amSharon
          find peace in your heart aaron

          12:04amAaron
          lady, I've been at peace since 7.30 tonight

          12:04amSharon
          i doubt that aaron

          12:04amAaron
          look lady, I'm not gonna take you or Mark's drama seriously

          not when it comes to a damn facebook page.

          Go start your own.

          speak allll you want on that one.

          tell mark to do it as mark

          not as tony

          gerald

          or kevin

          or donny

          or whatever the hell he is calling himself these days

          12:05amSharon
          i have my own and i was personally invited

          just fucken delete me i can give a shit

          12:05amAaron
          bye then

          and no I'm not

          I'm not going to play your drama games

          12:05amSharon
          trust me I go many will go

          12:05amAaron
          quit on your own

          BYE!

          12:06amSharon
          aaron you are a piece of work truly you are

          12:06amAaron
          loosing more of mark's fake personas is fine with me

          12:06amSharon
          it has nothing to do with mark as a person it has to do with the idea someone you do not like gets booted

          12:07amAaron
          man titties

          12:07amSharon
          oh lets resort to now calling names wow that grown of you

          12:07amAaron
          donkey puncher

          this is a measure of how seriously I'm taking this horseshit.

          you've done everything but call me a nazi

          12:08amSharon
          good to see you are the best to guide others

          you demand respect but you are being a complete cyber god

          your the glue on the paper to keep it together

          wow

          12:08amAaron
          really, as a complete cyber god that would imply I wouldn't delete any of my own posts right?

          opps.. your arguement fails.. because I have deleted several of my own posts.

          12:10amSharon
          ok cyber god I have a life to attend too catch you later

          12:10amAaron
          you sure this time?

          12:10amSharon
          my arguement will not fail

          12:10amAaron
          you've changed your mind a few times

          lady, you don't get it do you?

          12:10amSharon
          bye arron

          12:10amAaron
          I don't care if you win or not.

          thank god
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 23, 2010, 08:41:11 PM
          sharon and her BOSSYbee being put in her place
          Somewhere near "the Trash"


          Sharon
          i am sorry but i fully disagree with you

          you acted no better than them all, you targetted mark badly

          11:49pmAaron
          bullshit

          Mark is playing games on my group.

          11:49pmSharon
          it is not bullshit

          11:50pmAaron
          It very well is bullshit.

          11:50pmSharon
          even if he did you got no right to ban him period

          11:50pmAaron
          I've deleted alot of crap off that group.

          He's attacked me twice

          11:50pmSharon
          see so now your god

          11:50pmAaron
          oh yeah I'm such a god that I can control whereever he goes on the internet.

          logical fallacy at best.

          if he wants he can go start his own group.

          11:50pmSharon
          unless directly attack or bodily harm we are not suppose to fully agree with each other

          11:50pmAaron
          bullshit.

          he's a waste of bandwidth

          and in my group, I determine the rules.

          11:51pmSharon
          call it what you wish but it is fact you have no right to delete anyone ou just dont like

          11:51pmAaron
          along with mike and ginger

          11:51pmSharon
          that is your opinion which you got a right too

          11:51pmAaron
          actually I do have a right to delete whoever I like.

          11:52pmSharon
          ok god then delete me too

          11:52pmAaron
          no need to.

          11:52pmSharon
          and others will be leaving as well trust me

          11:52pmAaron
          you can quit the group on your own.

          don't let the door hit you all on the way out.

          11:52pmSharon
          i am complaining through email about this

          i refuse to allow you to be the internet god

          11:53pmAaron
          go right ahead

          complain till your face falls off.

          11:53pmSharon
          i personally like you and you know that

          but i feel this is wrong

          11:53pmAaron
          fuck if I care.

          quote me on it.

          Mark's bullshit is not welcome.

          11:54pmSharon
          i actually will complain and someone will care trust me

          11:54pmAaron
          he can start his own group for that sort of shit.

          Umm.. No they won't.

          I'm the creator of that group.

          the most they'll do is start their own group.

          which is fine with me.

          11:54pmSharon
          and you said all were welcome

          11:54pmAaron
          serves the same purpose.

          11:54pmSharon
          then that should mean all the good and the bad

          11:54pmAaron
          no.

          11:55pmSharon
          you allow art there and frankily his baby ass started a whole can of shit

          11:55pmAaron
          I'm not a babysitter and the group is not fornits forums.

          11:55pmSharon
          for years he destroyed any good

          11:55pmAaron
          where is art on my group?

          and what problems has he started?

          11:55pmSharon
          well then do not advertise as a fornit group then

          11:55pmAaron
          Art hasn't attacked me twice.

          11:55pmSharon
          omg art has a fake on there

          11:55pmAaron
          Mark has.

          so does mark

          mark has had several fakes.

          11:56pmSharon
          ok so someone attacks you, I think you are man enough to stand up to them, you are an amazing speaker

          so what he blows wind

          11:56pmAaron
          he can blow wind on his own group

          11:56pmSharon
          i guess I thought you stronger than this

          11:56pmAaron
          which he is free to start

          11:56pmSharon
          ok well then it should not advertise fornits then

          11:56pmAaron
          look lady, I started this group to serve as an informational conduit

          11:56pmSharon
          fornits is differently run

          11:56pmAaron
          I'll advertise it as whatever I want

          11:57pmSharon
          ok well i got a problem with it saying fornits then

          11:57pmAaron
          tough shit

          11:57pmSharon
          it should be aaron's world

          ok we will see

          11:57pmAaron
          do your wost.

          worst

          see just how much I care.

          11:57pmSharon
          i am gathering many compaints right now as we speak

          11:57pmAaron
          go for it.

          11:57pmSharon
          you are being highly irrational

          11:57pmAaron
          not really, I'm just not letting you push me around.

          11:57pmSharon
          aaron you are wrong this time

          i am not pushing you around i am speaking to you as an adult

          11:58pmAaron
          Umm.. noo.. I'm just not letting mark play his shithead little games on my group.

          Umm.. no you have threatened me with a bunch of hot air repeatedly.

          11:58pmSharon
          but it reflects on ginger and mike

          11:58pmAaron
          and they are free to do what they want.

          you don't get it do you?:

          It's a free interent.

          11:59pmSharon
          get what this group is a click

          11:59pmAaron
          don't like it... leave and do your own thing.

          11:59pmSharon
          not really a helpful tool

          11:59pmAaron
          not to mark's bullshit it isn't.

          11:59pmSharon
          i do not agree with mark at all but you are denying a survivor

          that is bottom line wrong

          12:00amAaron
          two things for you lady.

          1) I'm not a survivor

          2) I've never given a survivor anything more than any other person.

          12:00amSharon
          but you advocate in helping survivors

          12:00amAaron
          No

          I'm

          NOT

          I'm

          only

          concerned

          about

          kids

          in

          the

          programs

          I

          don't

          care

          abut

          survivors

          12:01amSharon
          ok well i am done speaking about this, I will go a different route

          12:01amAaron
          bye!

          12:01amSharon
          good bye aaron I got better things to do than to argue with an unresoanable person

          12:01amAaron
          thank god
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 23, 2010, 08:44:12 PM
          Nasty pigdog Sharon
          I"m gonna troll him "
          LOL

          lol, sharon.. hahaha you see the latest post of hers?

          Felice Eliscu: ya im not hiding or anything

          Felice Eliscu: no, where?

          Jim Beam: elan page

          Jim Beam: she's banned on the fornits page

          Jim Beam: only place she has to complain anymore

          Felice Eliscu: true

          Felice Eliscu: I don't see her, I think she blocked me

          Jim Beam: Sharon McCarthy The most hilarous part of it all, is that Fornits was met with a huge wall, now is leaning on a very damaging person to run the show over in the Fornits Group. If I was them there would be no way in hell I would allow that man to play Cyber God. He comes on here to insult us all?? Let's not forget ppl he has no compassion for survivors of any form. He himself was a staff member at many facilities that promoted abuse. How do we take him seriously? If I was the creator of Fornits I would be highly ashamed of his actions at this point. As it is they are already dealing with ARTY having a temper tantrum. What complete nonsense and a waste of time to even appear on the facebook group they are running. True Fornits will be back soon, and the two good people whom run it. I encoura

          Jim Beam: trying the staff thing

          Jim Beam: I should start another profile to troll her

          Jim Beam: actually I'm gonna do just that tomorrow
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 23, 2010, 08:47:56 PM
          Dear Webs User,
          >
          > We have decided that the site is indeed in violation of both privacy and copyright. We are experiencing a brief error in terms of suspending sites right now, but once it is fixed we will immediately suspend the webpage. When the site is suspended, it will not be viewable over the internet to anyone. We appreciate your patience in this matter. Please reply with further questions or concerns.
          >
          > Best Regards,
          Hey sharon/Marky
          Do you know what this is...
          this is you failing
          Just like everywhere else in your life
          and I have 6 more failures just like it
          Please continue to fail
          We need the laughs
          I call a truce for the x-mas holiday
          I dont think you can,but maybe give it a rest a few days
          Probably do you some good
          Merry Christmas
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 24, 2010, 09:32:17 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Dear Webs User,
          >
          > We have decided that the site is indeed in violation of both privacy and copyright. We are experiencing a brief error in terms of suspending sites right now, but once it is fixed we will immediately suspend the webpage. When the site is suspended, it will not be viewable over the internet to anyone. We appreciate your patience in this matter. Please reply with further questions or concerns.
          >
          > Best Regards,
          Hey sharon/Marky
          Do you know what this is...
          this is you failing
          Just like everywhere else in your life
          and I have 6 more failures just like it
          Please continue to fail
          We need the laughs
          I call a truce for the x-mas holiday
          I dont think you can,but maybe give it a rest a few days
          Probably do you some good
          Merry Christmas


          Go Fuck Yourself This Christmas Art.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 24, 2010, 06:50:10 PM
          That was so good it deserves a bump to the top
          Marky babbletits being exposed for what he is
          and Sharon "Vigoriously" defending his actions
          with all the grace,and dignity,that only Sharon could call her own
          Sharon
          i am sorry but i fully disagree with you

          you acted no better than them all, you targetted mark badly

          11:49pmAaron
          bullshit

          Mark is playing games on my group.

          11:49pmSharon
          it is not bullshit

          11:50pmAaron
          It very well is bullshit.

          11:50pmSharon
          even if he did you got no right to ban him period

          11:50pmAaron
          I've deleted alot of crap off that group.

          He's attacked me twice

          11:50pmSharon
          see so now your god

          11:50pmAaron
          oh yeah I'm such a god that I can control whereever he goes on the internet.

          logical fallacy at best.

          if he wants he can go start his own group.

          11:50pmSharon
          unless directly attack or bodily harm we are not suppose to fully agree with each other

          11:50pmAaron
          bullshit.

          he's a waste of bandwidth

          and in my group, I determine the rules.

          11:51pmSharon
          call it what you wish but it is fact you have no right to delete anyone ou just dont like

          11:51pmAaron
          along with mike and ginger

          11:51pmSharon
          that is your opinion which you got a right too

          11:51pmAaron
          actually I do have a right to delete whoever I like.

          11:52pmSharon
          ok god then delete me too

          11:52pmAaron
          no need to.

          11:52pmSharon
          and others will be leaving as well trust me

          11:52pmAaron
          you can quit the group on your own.

          don't let the door hit you all on the way out.

          11:52pmSharon
          i am complaining through email about this

          i refuse to allow you to be the internet god

          11:53pmAaron
          go right ahead

          complain till your face falls off.

          11:53pmSharon
          i personally like you and you know that

          but i feel this is wrong

          11:53pmAaron
          fuck if I care.

          quote me on it.

          Mark's bullshit is not welcome.

          11:54pmSharon
          i actually will complain and someone will care trust me

          11:54pmAaron
          he can start his own group for that sort of shit.

          Umm.. No they won't.

          I'm the creator of that group.

          the most they'll do is start their own group.

          which is fine with me.

          11:54pmSharon
          and you said all were welcome

          11:54pmAaron
          serves the same purpose.

          11:54pmSharon
          then that should mean all the good and the bad

          11:54pmAaron
          no.

          11:55pmSharon
          you allow art there and frankily his baby ass started a whole can of shit

          11:55pmAaron
          I'm not a babysitter and the group is not fornits forums.

          11:55pmSharon
          for years he destroyed any good

          11:55pmAaron
          where is art on my group?

          and what problems has he started?

          11:55pmSharon
          well then do not advertise as a fornit group then

          11:55pmAaron
          Art hasn't attacked me twice.

          11:55pmSharon
          omg art has a fake on there

          11:55pmAaron
          Mark has.

          so does mark

          mark has had several fakes.

          11:56pmSharon
          ok so someone attacks you, I think you are man enough to stand up to them, you are an amazing speaker

          so what he blows wind

          11:56pmAaron
          he can blow wind on his own group

          11:56pmSharon
          i guess I thought you stronger than this

          11:56pmAaron
          which he is free to start

          11:56pmSharon
          ok well then it should not advertise fornits then

          11:56pmAaron
          look lady, I started this group to serve as an informational conduit

          11:56pmSharon
          fornits is differently run

          11:56pmAaron
          I'll advertise it as whatever I want

          11:57pmSharon
          ok well i got a problem with it saying fornits then

          11:57pmAaron
          tough shit

          11:57pmSharon
          it should be aaron's world

          ok we will see

          11:57pmAaron
          do your wost.

          worst

          see just how much I care.

          11:57pmSharon
          i am gathering many compaints right now as we speak

          11:57pmAaron
          go for it.

          11:57pmSharon
          you are being highly irrational

          11:57pmAaron
          not really, I'm just not letting you push me around.

          11:57pmSharon
          aaron you are wrong this time

          i am not pushing you around i am speaking to you as an adult

          11:58pmAaron
          Umm.. noo.. I'm just not letting mark play his shithead little games on my group.

          Umm.. no you have threatened me with a bunch of hot air repeatedly.

          11:58pmSharon
          but it reflects on ginger and mike

          11:58pmAaron
          and they are free to do what they want.

          you don't get it do you?:

          It's a free interent.

          11:59pmSharon
          get what this group is a click

          11:59pmAaron
          don't like it... leave and do your own thing.

          11:59pmSharon
          not really a helpful tool

          11:59pmAaron
          not to mark's bullshit it isn't.

          11:59pmSharon
          i do not agree with mark at all but you are denying a survivor

          that is bottom line wrong

          12:00amAaron
          two things for you lady.

          1) I'm not a survivor

          2) I've never given a survivor anything more than any other person.

          12:00amSharon
          but you advocate in helping survivors

          12:00amAaron
          No

          I'm

          NOT

          I'm

          only

          concerned

          about

          kids

          in

          the

          programs

          I

          don't

          care

          abut

          survivors

          12:01amSharon
          ok well i am done speaking about this, I will go a different route

          12:01amAaron
          bye!

          12:01amSharon
          good bye aaron I got better things to do than to argue with an unresoanable person

          12:01amAaron
          thank godliarsexposed
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          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 24, 2010, 11:37:28 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          That was so good it deserves a bump to the top
          Marky babbletits being exposed for what he is
          and Sharon "Vigoriously" defending his actions
          with all the grace,and dignity,that only Sharon could call her own
          Sharon
          i am sorry but i fully disagree with you

          you acted no better than them all, you targetted mark badly

          11:49pmAaron
          bullshit

          Mark is playing games on my group.

          11:49pmSharon
          it is not bullshit

          11:50pmAaron
          It very well is bullshit.

          11:50pmSharon
          even if he did you got no right to ban him period

          11:50pmAaron
          I've deleted alot of crap off that group.

          He's attacked me twice

          11:50pmSharon
          see so now your god

          11:50pmAaron
          oh yeah I'm such a god that I can control whereever he goes on the internet.

          logical fallacy at best.

          if he wants he can go start his own group.

          11:50pmSharon
          unless directly attack or bodily harm we are not suppose to fully agree with each other

          11:50pmAaron
          bullshit.

          he's a waste of bandwidth

          and in my group, I determine the rules.

          11:51pmSharon
          call it what you wish but it is fact you have no right to delete anyone ou just dont like

          11:51pmAaron
          along with mike and ginger

          11:51pmSharon
          that is your opinion which you got a right too

          11:51pmAaron
          actually I do have a right to delete whoever I like.

          11:52pmSharon
          ok god then delete me too

          11:52pmAaron
          no need to.

          11:52pmSharon
          and others will be leaving as well trust me

          11:52pmAaron
          you can quit the group on your own.

          don't let the door hit you all on the way out.

          11:52pmSharon
          i am complaining through email about this

          i refuse to allow you to be the internet god

          11:53pmAaron
          go right ahead

          complain till your face falls off.

          11:53pmSharon
          i personally like you and you know that

          but i feel this is wrong

          11:53pmAaron
          fuck if I care.

          quote me on it.

          Mark's bullshit is not welcome.

          11:54pmSharon
          i actually will complain and someone will care trust me

          11:54pmAaron
          he can start his own group for that sort of shit.

          Umm.. No they won't.

          I'm the creator of that group.

          the most they'll do is start their own group.

          which is fine with me.

          11:54pmSharon
          and you said all were welcome

          11:54pmAaron
          serves the same purpose.

          11:54pmSharon
          then that should mean all the good and the bad

          11:54pmAaron
          no.

          11:55pmSharon
          you allow art there and frankily his baby ass started a whole can of shit

          11:55pmAaron
          I'm not a babysitter and the group is not fornits forums.

          11:55pmSharon
          for years he destroyed any good

          11:55pmAaron
          where is art on my group?

          and what problems has he started?

          11:55pmSharon
          well then do not advertise as a fornit group then

          11:55pmAaron
          Art hasn't attacked me twice.

          11:55pmSharon
          omg art has a fake on there

          11:55pmAaron
          Mark has.

          so does mark

          mark has had several fakes.

          11:56pmSharon
          ok so someone attacks you, I think you are man enough to stand up to them, you are an amazing speaker

          so what he blows wind

          11:56pmAaron
          he can blow wind on his own group

          11:56pmSharon
          i guess I thought you stronger than this

          11:56pmAaron
          which he is free to start

          11:56pmSharon
          ok well then it should not advertise fornits then

          11:56pmAaron
          look lady, I started this group to serve as an informational conduit

          11:56pmSharon
          fornits is differently run

          11:56pmAaron
          I'll advertise it as whatever I want

          11:57pmSharon
          ok well i got a problem with it saying fornits then

          11:57pmAaron
          tough shit

          11:57pmSharon
          it should be aaron's world

          ok we will see

          11:57pmAaron
          do your wost.

          worst

          see just how much I care.

          11:57pmSharon
          i am gathering many compaints right now as we speak

          11:57pmAaron
          go for it.

          11:57pmSharon
          you are being highly irrational

          11:57pmAaron
          not really, I'm just not letting you push me around.

          11:57pmSharon
          aaron you are wrong this time

          i am not pushing you around i am speaking to you as an adult

          11:58pmAaron
          Umm.. noo.. I'm just not letting mark play his shithead little games on my group.

          Umm.. no you have threatened me with a bunch of hot air repeatedly.

          11:58pmSharon
          but it reflects on ginger and mike

          11:58pmAaron
          and they are free to do what they want.

          you don't get it do you?:

          It's a free interent.

          11:59pmSharon
          get what this group is a click

          11:59pmAaron
          don't like it... leave and do your own thing.

          11:59pmSharon
          not really a helpful tool

          11:59pmAaron
          not to mark's bullshit it isn't.

          11:59pmSharon
          i do not agree with mark at all but you are denying a survivor

          that is bottom line wrong

          12:00amAaron
          two things for you lady.

          1) I'm not a survivor

          2) I've never given a survivor anything more than any other person.

          12:00amSharon
          but you advocate in helping survivors

          12:00amAaron
          No

          I'm

          NOT

          I'm

          only

          concerned

          about

          kids

          in

          the

          programs

          I

          don't

          care

          abut

          survivors

          12:01amSharon
          ok well i am done speaking about this, I will go a different route

          12:01amAaron
          bye!

          12:01amSharon
          good bye aaron I got better things to do than to argue with an unresoanable person

          12:01amAaron
          thank godliarsexposed
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          Is this what you do on Holidays is abuse people and their family's. You are a very sick man Art and life will catch you in your evil ways. :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 25, 2010, 07:28:41 AM
          awwwee
          Well girls..Its not my holiday.
          Tho I did go celebrate with some friends and tonight I have a reservation
          @ Paisano's in Richmond. You should try that place Marky. Pretty sure they allow Cock-Swallowers like you and Sharon to come and eat there too
          Remember girls.. My offer still stands... STFU and its over
          You just cant do it
          bump
          Sharon
          i am sorry but i fully disagree with you

          you acted no better than them all, you targetted mark badly

          11:49pmAaron
          bullshit

          Mark is playing games on my group.

          11:49pmSharon
          it is not bullshit

          11:50pmAaron
          It very well is bullshit.

          11:50pmSharon
          even if he did you got no right to ban him period

          11:50pmAaron
          I've deleted alot of crap off that group.

          He's attacked me twice

          11:50pmSharon
          see so now your god

          11:50pmAaron
          oh yeah I'm such a god that I can control whereever he goes on the internet.

          logical fallacy at best.

          if he wants he can go start his own group.

          11:50pmSharon
          unless directly attack or bodily harm we are not suppose to fully agree with each other

          11:50pmAaron
          bullshit.

          he's a waste of bandwidth

          and in my group, I determine the rules.

          11:51pmSharon
          call it what you wish but it is fact you have no right to delete anyone ou just dont like

          11:51pmAaron
          along with mike and ginger

          11:51pmSharon
          that is your opinion which you got a right too

          11:51pmAaron
          actually I do have a right to delete whoever I like.

          11:52pmSharon
          ok god then delete me too

          11:52pmAaron
          no need to.

          11:52pmSharon
          and others will be leaving as well trust me

          11:52pmAaron
          you can quit the group on your own.

          don't let the door hit you all on the way out.

          11:52pmSharon
          i am complaining through email about this

          i refuse to allow you to be the internet god

          11:53pmAaron
          go right ahead

          complain till your face falls off.

          11:53pmSharon
          i personally like you and you know that

          but i feel this is wrong

          11:53pmAaron
          fuck if I care.

          quote me on it.

          Mark's bullshit is not welcome.

          11:54pmSharon
          i actually will complain and someone will care trust me

          11:54pmAaron
          he can start his own group for that sort of shit.

          Umm.. No they won't.

          I'm the creator of that group.

          the most they'll do is start their own group.

          which is fine with me.

          11:54pmSharon
          and you said all were welcome

          11:54pmAaron
          serves the same purpose.

          11:54pmSharon
          then that should mean all the good and the bad

          11:54pmAaron
          no.

          11:55pmSharon
          you allow art there and frankily his baby ass started a whole can of shit

          11:55pmAaron
          I'm not a babysitter and the group is not fornits forums.

          11:55pmSharon
          for years he destroyed any good

          11:55pmAaron
          where is art on my group?

          and what problems has he started?

          11:55pmSharon
          well then do not advertise as a fornit group then

          11:55pmAaron
          Art hasn't attacked me twice.

          11:55pmSharon
          omg art has a fake on there

          11:55pmAaron
          Mark has.

          so does mark

          mark has had several fakes.

          11:56pmSharon
          ok so someone attacks you, I think you are man enough to stand up to them, you are an amazing speaker

          so what he blows wind

          11:56pmAaron
          he can blow wind on his own group

          11:56pmSharon
          i guess I thought you stronger than this

          11:56pmAaron
          which he is free to start

          11:56pmSharon
          ok well then it should not advertise fornits then

          11:56pmAaron
          look lady, I started this group to serve as an informational conduit

          11:56pmSharon
          fornits is differently run

          11:56pmAaron
          I'll advertise it as whatever I want

          11:57pmSharon
          ok well i got a problem with it saying fornits then

          11:57pmAaron
          tough shit

          11:57pmSharon
          it should be aaron's world

          ok we will see

          11:57pmAaron
          do your wost.

          worst

          see just how much I care.

          11:57pmSharon
          i am gathering many compaints right now as we speak

          11:57pmAaron
          go for it.

          11:57pmSharon
          you are being highly irrational

          11:57pmAaron
          not really, I'm just not letting you push me around.

          11:57pmSharon
          aaron you are wrong this time

          i am not pushing you around i am speaking to you as an adult

          11:58pmAaron
          Umm.. noo.. I'm just not letting mark play his shithead little games on my group.

          Umm.. no you have threatened me with a bunch of hot air repeatedly.

          11:58pmSharon
          but it reflects on ginger and mike

          11:58pmAaron
          and they are free to do what they want.

          you don't get it do you?:

          It's a free interent.

          11:59pmSharon
          get what this group is a click

          11:59pmAaron
          don't like it... leave and do your own thing.

          11:59pmSharon
          not really a helpful tool

          11:59pmAaron
          not to mark's bullshit it isn't.

          11:59pmSharon
          i do not agree with mark at all but you are denying a survivor

          that is bottom line wrong

          12:00amAaron
          two things for you lady.

          1) I'm not a survivor

          2) I've never given a survivor anything more than any other person.

          12:00amSharon
          but you advocate in helping survivors

          12:00amAaron
          No

          I'm

          NOT

          I'm

          only

          concerned

          about

          kids

          in

          the

          programs

          I

          don't

          care

          abut

          survivors

          12:01amSharon
          ok well i am done speaking about this, I will go a different route

          12:01amAaron
          bye!

          12:01amSharon
          good bye aaron I got better things to do than to argue with an unresoanable person

          12:01amAaron
          thank god
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 25, 2010, 07:33:47 AM
          oh one more thing girls
          After I was done talking to my grand kids last night
          Both my daughters were disapointed that you didnt contact them
          Especially my oldest. She'd wipe the floor with both of you
          Then have you arrested
          They sent me an envelope to be opened by Bestbuy employee's only
          When I went to BB yesterday.. They loaded my truck with a 60' plasma TV
          Im Sure Santa was equally as good to you 2
          pile of coal,and for you marky.. I bet Santa shit in your stocking
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 26, 2010, 09:29:09 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          oh one more thing girls
          After I was done talking to my grand kids last night
          Both my daughters were disapointed that you didnt contact them
          Especially my oldest. She'd wipe the floor with both of you
          Then have you arrested
          They sent me an envelope to be opened by Bestbuy employee's only
          When I went to BB yesterday.. They loaded my truck with a 60' plasma TV
          Im Sure Santa was equally as good to you 2
          pile of coal,and for you marky.. I bet Santa shit in your stocking

          Does that impress you that your kids got you a gift.?? I guess I would be too, knowing their father was their abuser and how could they forgive.?? My kids are my gift every day.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 26, 2010, 01:12:12 PM
          Does that impress you that your kids got you a gift.?? I guess I would be too, knowing their father was their abuser and how could they forgive.?? My kids are my gift every day.[/quote]
           
          person would have to be very sad to write lies about another. Day after day,month after month,as if someone could substantiate ANYthing EITHER of you little girls said.
          But I like it that you are so mad, that you are seething. It looks good on both of you. By now you must have figured out that I am the only one left here. You have run everyone else off. Who would want to participate in anything with a couple losers of your stature.
          I Think sharon is madders cuz she hasnt anyone to push around
          Marky is just mad because he is Marky
          If I were Marky,Id be madders too
          Its gotta suck to be Marky & Sharon
          and be exposed for the vile little girls you are
          every day
           
          Sharon
          i am sorry but i fully disagree with you

          you acted no better than them all, you targetted mark badly

          11:49pmAaron
          bullshit

          Mark is playing games on my group.

          11:49pmSharon
          it is not bullshit

          11:50pmAaron
          It very well is bullshit.

          11:50pmSharon
          even if he did you got no right to ban him period

          11:50pmAaron
          I've deleted alot of crap off that group.

          He's attacked me twice

          11:50pmSharon
          see so now your god

          11:50pmAaron
          oh yeah I'm such a god that I can control whereever he goes on the internet.

          logical fallacy at best.

          if he wants he can go start his own group.

          11:50pmSharon
          unless directly attack or bodily harm we are not suppose to fully agree with each other

          11:50pmAaron
          bullshit.

          he's a waste of bandwidth

          and in my group, I determine the rules.

          11:51pmSharon
          call it what you wish but it is fact you have no right to delete anyone ou just dont like

          11:51pmAaron
          along with mike and ginger

          11:51pmSharon
          that is your opinion which you got a right too

          11:51pmAaron
          actually I do have a right to delete whoever I like.

          11:52pmSharon
          ok god then delete me too

          11:52pmAaron
          no need to.

          11:52pmSharon
          and others will be leaving as well trust me

          11:52pmAaron
          you can quit the group on your own.

          don't let the door hit you all on the way out.

          11:52pmSharon
          i am complaining through email about this

          i refuse to allow you to be the internet god

          11:53pmAaron
          go right ahead

          complain till your face falls off.

          11:53pmSharon
          i personally like you and you know that

          but i feel this is wrong

          11:53pmAaron
          fuck if I care.

          quote me on it.

          Mark's bullshit is not welcome.

          11:54pmSharon
          i actually will complain and someone will care trust me

          11:54pmAaron
          he can start his own group for that sort of shit.

          Umm.. No they won't.

          I'm the creator of that group.

          the most they'll do is start their own group.

          which is fine with me.

          11:54pmSharon
          and you said all were welcome

          11:54pmAaron
          serves the same purpose.

          11:54pmSharon
          then that should mean all the good and the bad

          11:54pmAaron
          no.

          11:55pmSharon
          you allow art there and frankily his baby ass started a whole can of shit

          11:55pmAaron
          I'm not a babysitter and the group is not fornits forums.

          11:55pmSharon
          for years he destroyed any good

          11:55pmAaron
          where is art on my group?

          and what problems has he started?

          11:55pmSharon
          well then do not advertise as a fornit group then

          11:55pmAaron
          Art hasn't attacked me twice.

          11:55pmSharon
          omg art has a fake on there

          11:55pmAaron
          Mark has.

          so does mark

          mark has had several fakes.

          11:56pmSharon
          ok so someone attacks you, I think you are man enough to stand up to them, you are an amazing speaker

          so what he blows wind

          11:56pmAaron
          he can blow wind on his own group

          11:56pmSharon
          i guess I thought you stronger than this

          11:56pmAaron
          which he is free to start

          11:56pmSharon
          ok well then it should not advertise fornits then

          11:56pmAaron
          look lady, I started this group to serve as an informational conduit

          11:56pmSharon
          fornits is differently run

          11:56pmAaron
          I'll advertise it as whatever I want

          11:57pmSharon
          ok well i got a problem with it saying fornits then

          11:57pmAaron
          tough shit

          11:57pmSharon
          it should be aaron's world

          ok we will see

          11:57pmAaron
          do your wost.

          worst

          see just how much I care.

          11:57pmSharon
          i am gathering many compaints right now as we speak

          11:57pmAaron
          go for it.

          11:57pmSharon
          you are being highly irrational

          11:57pmAaron
          not really, I'm just not letting you push me around.

          11:57pmSharon
          aaron you are wrong this time

          i am not pushing you around i am speaking to you as an adult

          11:58pmAaron
          Umm.. noo.. I'm just not letting mark play his shithead little games on my group.

          Umm.. no you have threatened me with a bunch of hot air repeatedly.

          11:58pmSharon
          but it reflects on ginger and mike

          11:58pmAaron
          and they are free to do what they want.

          you don't get it do you?:

          It's a free interent.

          11:59pmSharon
          get what this group is a click

          11:59pmAaron
          don't like it... leave and do your own thing.

          11:59pmSharon
          not really a helpful tool

          11:59pmAaron
          not to mark's bullshit it isn't.

          11:59pmSharon
          i do not agree with mark at all but you are denying a survivor

          that is bottom line wrong

          12:00amAaron
          two things for you lady.

          1) I'm not a survivor

          2) I've never given a survivor anything more than any other person.

          12:00amSharon
          but you advocate in helping survivors

          12:00amAaron
          No

          I'm

          NOT

          I'm

          only

          concerned

          about

          kids

          in

          the

          programs

          I

          don't

          care

          abut

          survivors

          12:01amSharon
          ok well i am done speaking about this, I will go a different route

          12:01amAaron
          bye!

          12:01amSharon
          good bye aaron I got better things to do than to argue with an unresoanable person

          12:01amAaron
          thank god
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 26, 2010, 01:15:23 PM
          Took a break from fucking with David I see
          I guess it makes sense to be next
          Who is after me ? The children you gave away ? How about the ones that wont even talk to you ?
          Oh Yes I know more than you think hun
          You are not new scum.. You have been scum for like... Ever!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 26, 2010, 01:32:05 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Took a break from fucking with David I see
          I guess it makes sense to be next
          Who is after me ? The children you gave away ? How about the ones that wont even talk to you ?
          Oh Yes I know more than you think hun
          You are not new scum.. You have been scum for like... Ever!

          You don't half of whats going on in my life. My life is perfect and my Christmas was much nicer than yours I am sure.all my children love me unconditionally and honestly. Do yours.?? I didn't have to listen to your mouth or you calls to my family.You need serious help Art. Go get it.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 26, 2010, 04:03:51 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Took a break from fucking with David I see
          I guess it makes sense to be next
          Who is after me ? The children you gave away ? How about the ones that wont even talk to you ?
          Oh Yes I know more than you think hun
          You are not new scum.. You have been scum for like... Ever!


          Art resting after the holiday fun with family.
          They just shit all over him. :rofl:  :rofl:


          http://www.winternet.com/~redright/scat ... e/RIC5.JPG (http://www.winternet.com/~redright/scatsite/scatpix/smears_page/RIC5.JPG)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 26, 2010, 04:07:19 PM
          Quote from: "Farty"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Took a break from fucking with David I see
          I guess it makes sense to be next
          Who is after me ? The children you gave away ? How about the ones that wont even talk to you ?
          Oh Yes I know more than you think hun
          You are not new scum.. You have been scum for like... Ever!


          Art resting after the holiday fun with family.
          They just shit all over him. :rofl:  :rofl:


          http://www.winternet.com/~redright/scat ... e/RIC5.JPG (http://www.winternet.com/~redright/scatsite/scatpix/smears_page/RIC5.JPG)

          Pull the needle out of your arm Art.You are the most disgusting man I have ever met Art I feel sorry for who ever calls you family, they have to be so embarrassed of you.You are so hateful and nasty. :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 26, 2010, 08:06:29 PM
          Quote from: "Farty"
          Quote from: "Farty"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Took a break from fucking with David I see
          I guess it makes sense to be next
          Who is after me ? The children you gave away ? How about the ones that wont even talk to you ?
          Oh Yes I know more than you think hun
          You are not new scum.. You have been scum for like... Ever!


          Art resting after the holiday fun with family.
          They just shit all over him. :rofl:  :rofl:


          http://www.winternet.com/~redright/scat ... e/RIC5.JPG (http://www.winternet.com/~redright/scatsite/scatpix/smears_page/RIC5.JPG)

          Pull the needle out of your arm Art.You are the most disgusting man I have ever met Art I feel sorry for who ever calls you family, they have to be so embarrassed of you.You are so hateful and nasty. :fuckoff:
          Quote from: "Farty"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Took a break from fucking with David I see
          I guess it makes sense to be next
          Who is after me ? The children you gave away ? How about the ones that wont even talk to you ?
          Oh Yes I know more than you think hun
          You are not new scum.. You have been scum for like... Ever!

          You don't half of whats going on in my life. My life is perfect and my Christmas was much nicer than yours I am sure.all my children love me unconditionally and honestly. Do yours.?? I didn't have to listen to your mouth or you calls to my family.You need serious help Art. Go get it.
           
          Makes me moist when you are seething like this. Cmere Marky.. Gimme a hug! :nods:  :nods:  :seg:  :seg:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 27, 2010, 08:46:52 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "Farty"
          Quote from: "Farty"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Took a break from fucking with David I see
          I guess it makes sense to be next
          Who is after me ? The children you gave away ? How about the ones that wont even talk to you ?
          Oh Yes I know more than you think hun
          You are not new scum.. You have been scum for like... Ever!


          Art resting after the holiday fun with family.
          They just shit all over him. :rofl:  :rofl:


          http://www.winternet.com/~redright/scat ... e/RIC5.JPG (http://www.winternet.com/~redright/scatsite/scatpix/smears_page/RIC5.JPG)

          Pull the needle out of your arm Art.You are the most disgusting man I have ever met Art I feel sorry for who ever calls you family, they have to be so embarrassed of you.You are so hateful and nasty. :fuckoff:
          Quote from: "Farty"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Took a break from fucking with David I see
          I guess it makes sense to be next
          Who is after me ? The children you gave away ? How about the ones that wont even talk to you ?
          Oh Yes I know more than you think hun
          You are not new scum.. You have been scum for like... Ever!

          You don't half of whats going on in my life. My life is perfect and my Christmas was much nicer than yours I am sure.all my children love me unconditionally and honestly. Do yours.?? I didn't have to listen to your mouth or you calls to my family.You need serious help Art. Go get it.
           
          Makes me moist when you are seething like this. Cmere Marky.. Gimme a hug! :nods:  :nods:  :seg:  :seg:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:


          Don't kids normally try and buy gifts for their parents and family on holidays and special occasions.?? Mine do. Do yours need a special reason. Probably after all of your abuses towards them they might flip the quarter. :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 27, 2010, 08:55:25 AM
          Quote from: "Farty"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "Farty"
          Quote from: "Farty"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Took a break from fucking with David I see
          I guess it makes sense to be next
          Who is after me ? The children you gave away ? How about the ones that wont even talk to you ?
          Oh Yes I know more than you think hun
          You are not new scum.. You have been scum for like... Ever!


          Art resting after the holiday fun with family.
          They just shit all over him. :rofl:  :rofl:


          http://www.winternet.com/~redright/scat ... e/RIC5.JPG (http://www.winternet.com/~redright/scatsite/scatpix/smears_page/RIC5.JPG)

          Pull the needle out of your arm Art.You are the most disgusting man I have ever met Art I feel sorry for who ever calls you family, they have to be so embarrassed of you.You are so hateful and nasty. :fuckoff:
          Quote from: "Farty"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Took a break from fucking with David I see
          I guess it makes sense to be next
          Who is after me ? The children you gave away ? How about the ones that wont even talk to you ?
          Oh Yes I know more than you think hun
          You are not new scum.. You have been scum for like... Ever!

          You don't half of whats going on in my life. My life is perfect and my Christmas was much nicer than yours I am sure.all my children love me unconditionally and honestly. Do yours.?? I didn't have to listen to your mouth or you calls to my family.You need serious help Art. Go get it.
           
          Makes me moist when you are seething like this. Cmere Marky.. Gimme a hug! :nods:  :nods:  :seg:  :seg:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:


          Don't kids normally try and buy gifts for their parents and family on holidays and special occasions.?? Mine do. Do yours need a special reason. Probably after all of your abuses towards them they might flip the quarter. :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:

          Mark babbletits did you ever cum in your own mouth? lol
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on December 27, 2010, 09:45:32 AM
          Mark babbletits did you ever cum in your own mouth? lol[/quote]



          No.But I did blow my load in 8 Ball Ass, sorry she shit all over the couch.
          You have a new plasma to take your mind off of it, right??? :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl: I will send you a "Blue- Ray " disc of me pounding your Mother and Able both in the Ass. We had your daughter's film the show,Thats why they felt compelled to get you a Cheap New TV to watch it on. 60"  Plasma :jawdrop: That should cover the whole wall in your living room. You have your own Plitt Theater.Did you know Plasma's are one of the worst kind of set's to buy,?? They have a very short life spand and burn images into the screen.

           
              


          The Disadvantages of Plasma TV

          Of course, not all technologies are perfect, and Plasma TVs do have some disadvantages compared to other TV technologies. Take a look below, but in the end, like us, you will probably agree that Plasma TV advantages outweigh these concerns:

          -Potential Burn-In: Because of the phosphor technology in Plasma TVs (see How Plasma TVs Work), it is possible for traces of an image to be 'burned-in' to the display. This is generally only a concern in commercial uses, where images are displayed for long-periods of time. Those that watch stations that offer news tickers may also need to be careful. Burn-in can generally be avoided by making sure that you do not keep a constant image on the screen for extended periods (sometimes as little as 20 minutes), either by turning the television off, or changing the channel.

          -Lower Brightness: Although still considerably brighter than rear-projection TVs, direct view and LCD TVs often are able to provide a brighter picture. This is generally only readily noticeable if watching in a very brightly lit room. Latest generation Plasma TVs have improved on the brightness issue considerably, and our only real warning would be to those that plan to do the majority of their viewing in a room exposed to afternoon sun.

          -Not the Lightest or Slimmest: Although Plasma TVs are MUCH lighter and thinner compared to direct view and rear projection TVs, a lighter, slimmer technology does exist: LCD TVs. LCD TVs use the same technology as used in most laptop computers. However, it should be noted that LCD TVs are not generally available in the same sizes as Plasma TVs, and in those rare cases that they are, they generally cost considerably more.

          -Price: Yes, this is a disadvantage and an advantage. Although Plasma TVs are considerably cheaper than comparably-sized LCD or LCoS TVs, they do cost more than direct view and rear-projection TVs. Of course, it must be mentioned that direct view HDTVs do not exist in the sizes that Plasma TV offers (namely 42-inch and 50-inch models).

          -Shorter Life: Compared to other television technologies, Plasma TVs do generally have a shorter life span, and there is no option to repair a burnt out tube or backlight. Most Plasma TVs have a life span of 20,000-30,000 hours based on manufacturer's estimates. This life span is commonly referred to as the Plasma TV half-life, as it is the number of hours over which the Plasma TV will loose approximately half of it's brightness.

          Of course, we should note that a Plasma TV with a 20,000 hour life would allow you to watch 4 hours of TV per day for approximately 13.7 years. Even at 8 hours per day, your Plasma TV should provide you with nearly 7 years of enjoyment. So, for most of us, this should not be an issue, and a Plasma TV is a worthy investment.

          -Fragility: Plasma TVs are a very fragile technology, and the units are quite easy to damage. Extreme care must be used when moving them, as even laying the Plasma display on it's side can have adverse effects, possibly damaging the unit irreparably.






          lasma TV Disadvantages

          However, the disadvantages of Plasma vs LCD include: more susceptible to burn-in (although this is not as much of a factor now, due to technology improvements in the past few years), more heat generation (as well as more power consumption), does not perform as well at higher altitudes, screen glare in brightly lit rooms, heavier weight, and more delicate to ship.

          LCD TV Advantages

          LCD TV advantages include no burn-in susceptibility, cooler running, less screen glare, more functional at high altitudes, longer display life (although improvements are being made in Plasma screen life), looks better in brightly lit rooms, and less power consumption than Plasma.

          Also, LCD TVs have made great strides in upping-the-ante in native pixel resolution, with a growing number of sets offering a full 1080p (1920x1080) display capability at affordable price levels in screen sizes ranging from 37-inches and up. On the other hand, the number of Plasma Televisions offering 1080p native pixel resolution are increasing, there are aren't as many affordable 1080p choices in the 42-inch screen size, as well as being more expensive in comparison to their LCD counterparts.

          One factor to consider in favor of LCD over Plasma (at least for the near future) is that if you are planning to purchase a Blu-ray Disc, HD-DVD, or Upscaling DVD Player, LCD may be a more cost-effective option as you can get a 1080p LCD set from 37-to-42-inches at a lower price than and 42-inch size Plasma set that has 1080p resolution. Also, if you are looking for a smaller screen television, Plasma TVs have not been available in screen sizes below 42-inches for some time now.

          One other factor to consider is that LCD TVs are typically lighter (when comparing same screen sizes) than their Plasma counterparts, making wall installation easier.

          I have LCD's in all my rooms at home and up north at the vacation home too.




          We know you want to buy a flat screen TV, but do not know if a plasma TV or LCD would be the best choice This article explains the differences between the plasma compared to LCD TVs, then shows you how to get the best price for a plasma or LCD TV

          We know you want to buy a flat screen TV, but do not know if a plasma TV or LCD would be the best choice.

          This article explains the differences between the plasma compared to LCD TVs, then shows you how to get the best price for a plasma or LCD TV.

          Plasma TVs

          Screen of a plasma television is made up of millions of colored gas filled cells. When electricity passes through the cells that light up and produce an image.

          Plasma TVs have a much higher resolution than tube TV screens. In reality, the picture is so clear, it is almost like watching a scene through a window.

          The dimensions of the widescreen 42 "to 65" wide and are 3 "to 4" thick.

          LCD TV

          LCD (light crystal display) TV screens are made of a thin layer of liquid crystals sandwiched between two sheets of glass. When electricity is sent through the crystals an array of tiny color pixels light up to create an image.

          LCD TVs are thinner and lighter than plasma screens. Are most of your computer screen, and are rapidly gaining popularity as TV screens.

          LCD TVs are 1 / 4 "to 4" thick and 2 "to 65" wide.

          LCD or Plasma TV Features

          Image Quality

          When it comes to what kind of TV screen is more sensitive and shows more detail, plasma TVs have a slight edge over LCD TVs, LCD TVs are catching up.

          Plasma TVs are also a bit ''better when it comes to viewing angle - how you can sit next to a television screen before the picture quality is concerned.

          Screen Life

          The life of the screen is the number of hours a television provides before the picture begins to fade. Plasma TVs have a screen life of about 30,000 to 60,00 hours, depending on the make and model, while LCD televisions have a screen life of 60,000 hours or more.

          Plasma TVs are also subject to "burn" This happens when a TV displays an image still long enough for a ghost image to burn into the screen. LCD TVs do not have this problem.

          HD TV

          Both plasma and LCD TVs display HD (high definition), the signs of a sharper, more three dimensional picture. LCD TV, however, have a slightly higher resolution (more pixels on the screen), then plasma TVs.

          Video Games

          Plasma and LCD are both great for video games, however, because of the tendency of a plasma TV screen burn in on an LCD TV is the best choice if you play many video games.

          Portability

          LCD TVs are thinner and lighter than plasma TVs, making it easier to move and easier to mount on a wall.

          LCD TV or Plasma TV Prices

          When it comes to what kind of TV gives you more for your money, depends on what you''re looking for.

          If you''re looking for - big screen TV - 42 "or larger plasma TVs are currently cheaper than LCD TVs of similar size. When I recently compared prices of 42-inch plasma TV cheapest was $ 999, while the cheapest LCD TV was $ 1367.

          When it comes to television, I could not find plasma TVs less than 42. "The cheapest 32" LCD TV I found was $ 619, while the cheapest 27 "LCD TV was $ 550.
          32 LCD HDTV.



          Over all the Plasma is the weakest of the "TV Set's" out there now and the most trouble to maintain, they dont last long ether about 7-12 years maybe. The screen burn is the worst part of the set.Sports games really cause damage because of the score board's always being on the screen and the surface they play on.
          You should have called I could have guided you,I learned about the new TV's some years ago when I started converting to new TV's. I too thought the Plasma was the shit,but once I saw the prices and how long they lasted,I reconsidered quick.I have considered LED,but will wait a couple of years to see how happy my friends are with theirs.


















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          The latest technology and buzz in the HDTV marked is surrounding LED TV’s.  LED HDTV’s are known for being super thin and displaying a great image.  They tend to have a much great contract than competing flat panels and combine the benefits of LCD TV’s and Plasma TV’s into one.  One of LCD HDTV’s downfalls is not being able to display true blacks.  Plasma HDTV’s tend to not be as bright as a comparable LCD.  LED TV’s show blacks similar to a plasma TV but are brighter than LCD TV’s – the best of both worlds.

          One of the early leaders in LED TV’s so far has been Samsung with several LED models available.  LED HDTV prices are still a little steep but dropping quickly.  If you’re in the market for a new HDTV, you should definitely check out the latest LED TV reviews before dropping a few thousand dollars.

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          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 27, 2010, 09:57:05 AM
          I blew a big load in babble tit's mothers mouth. She swallowed.  Well, Markey walked in and took pictures of us.  Mark you are one sick fuck.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 27, 2010, 10:26:16 AM
          Quote from: "babbletits"
          I blew a big load in babble tit's mothers mouth. She swallowed.  Well, Markey walked in and took pictures of us.  Mark you are one sick fuck.

          Looks like Marky has a new fan.. I bet its a guy ! LOL
          Marky/Sharon
          You can be as vile as you like. Make up any story that you wish.
          It only makes you look sicker.. and makes me feel better that you are so angry
          AM I buggin you girls ? LOL
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 27, 2010, 11:03:36 AM
          Art say a prayer for Markey because he's loosing his mental faculties.  He was recently arrested for making sexual advances towards a male police officer.  He asked the male police officer, "Can I play with your gun?"  lol
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 27, 2010, 01:05:39 PM
          Quote from: babbletits
          Art say a prayer for Markey because he's loosing his mental faculties.  He was recently arrested for making sexual advances towards a male police officer.  He asked the male police officer, "Can I play with your gun?"  
          I pray for Marky and Sharon every day
          Takes a long time as they have so many screen names
           :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:
           :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 27, 2010, 03:00:34 PM
          Highlights of Marky and Sharon's antics
          Too good not yo repost
          sharon and her BOSSYbee being put in her place
          Somewhere near "the Trash"


          Sharon
          i am sorry but i fully disagree with you

          you acted no better than them all, you targetted mark badly

          11:49pmAaron
          bullshit

          Mark is playing games on my group.

          11:49pmSharon
          it is not bullshit

          11:50pmAaron
          It very well is bullshit.

          11:50pmSharon
          even if he did you got no right to ban him period

          11:50pmAaron
          I've deleted alot of crap off that group.

          He's attacked me twice

          11:50pmSharon
          see so now your god

          11:50pmAaron
          oh yeah I'm such a god that I can control whereever he goes on the internet.

          logical fallacy at best.

          if he wants he can go start his own group.

          11:50pmSharon
          unless directly attack or bodily harm we are not suppose to fully agree with each other

          11:50pmAaron
          bullshit.

          he's a waste of bandwidth

          and in my group, I determine the rules.

          11:51pmSharon
          call it what you wish but it is fact you have no right to delete anyone ou just dont like

          11:51pmAaron
          along with mike and ginger

          11:51pmSharon
          that is your opinion which you got a right too

          11:51pmAaron
          actually I do have a right to delete whoever I like.

          11:52pmSharon
          ok god then delete me too

          11:52pmAaron
          no need to.

          11:52pmSharon
          and others will be leaving as well trust me

          11:52pmAaron
          you can quit the group on your own.

          don't let the door hit you all on the way out.

          11:52pmSharon
          i am complaining through email about this

          i refuse to allow you to be the internet god

          11:53pmAaron
          go right ahead

          complain till your face falls off.

          11:53pmSharon
          i personally like you and you know that

          but i feel this is wrong

          11:53pmAaron
          fuck if I care.

          quote me on it.

          Mark's bullshit is not welcome.

          11:54pmSharon
          i actually will complain and someone will care trust me

          11:54pmAaron
          he can start his own group for that sort of shit.

          Umm.. No they won't.

          I'm the creator of that group.

          the most they'll do is start their own group.

          which is fine with me.

          11:54pmSharon
          and you said all were welcome

          11:54pmAaron
          serves the same purpose.

          11:54pmSharon
          then that should mean all the good and the bad

          11:54pmAaron
          no.

          11:55pmSharon
          you allow art there and frankily his baby ass started a whole can of shit

          11:55pmAaron
          I'm not a babysitter and the group is not fornits forums.

          11:55pmSharon
          for years he destroyed any good

          11:55pmAaron
          where is art on my group?

          and what problems has he started?

          11:55pmSharon
          well then do not advertise as a fornit group then

          11:55pmAaron
          Art hasn't attacked me twice.

          11:55pmSharon
          omg art has a fake on there

          11:55pmAaron
          Mark has.

          so does mark

          mark has had several fakes.

          11:56pmSharon
          ok so someone attacks you, I think you are man enough to stand up to them, you are an amazing speaker

          so what he blows wind

          11:56pmAaron
          he can blow wind on his own group

          11:56pmSharon
          i guess I thought you stronger than this

          11:56pmAaron
          which he is free to start

          11:56pmSharon
          ok well then it should not advertise fornits then

          11:56pmAaron
          look lady, I started this group to serve as an informational conduit

          11:56pmSharon
          fornits is differently run

          11:56pmAaron
          I'll advertise it as whatever I want

          11:57pmSharon
          ok well i got a problem with it saying fornits then

          11:57pmAaron
          tough shit

          11:57pmSharon
          it should be aaron's world

          ok we will see

          11:57pmAaron
          do your wost.

          worst

          see just how much I care.

          11:57pmSharon
          i am gathering many compaints right now as we speak

          11:57pmAaron
          go for it.

          11:57pmSharon
          you are being highly irrational

          11:57pmAaron
          not really, I'm just not letting you push me around.

          11:57pmSharon
          aaron you are wrong this time

          i am not pushing you around i am speaking to you as an adult

          11:58pmAaron
          Umm.. noo.. I'm just not letting mark play his shithead little games on my group.

          Umm.. no you have threatened me with a bunch of hot air repeatedly.

          11:58pmSharon
          but it reflects on ginger and mike

          11:58pmAaron
          and they are free to do what they want.

          you don't get it do you?:

          It's a free interent.

          11:59pmSharon
          get what this group is a click

          11:59pmAaron
          don't like it... leave and do your own thing.

          11:59pmSharon
          not really a helpful tool

          11:59pmAaron
          not to mark's bullshit it isn't.

          11:59pmSharon
          i do not agree with mark at all but you are denying a survivor

          that is bottom line wrong

          12:00amAaron
          two things for you lady.

          1) I'm not a survivor

          2) I've never given a survivor anything more than any other person.

          12:00amSharon
          but you advocate in helping survivors

          12:00amAaron
          No

          I'm

          NOT

          I'm

          only

          concerned

          about

          kids

          in

          the

          programs

          I

          don't

          care

          abut

          survivors

          12:01amSharon
          ok well i am done speaking about this, I will go a different route

          12:01amAaron
          bye!

          12:01amSharon
          good bye aaron I got better things to do than to argue with an unresoanable person

          12:01amAaron
          thank god
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 27, 2010, 04:10:47 PM
          Is  babble tits pretending to be Aaron?   :soapbox:  Markey needs professional help in the worse kind of way.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 27, 2010, 09:37:21 PM
          Marky is crippled between his ears
          Doesnt matter which screen name he uses. Have you read abouthis Fecal Fantasies ? How about his sex toys.his anal sex toys if I remember again. I think Marky's got a little fetish goin with me. for about 10 years ! LOL
          How mentally incapacitating is that  ?
          I will have to say.. On his behalf.. He is much better at it than Sharon. She is just Extra Stupid... and mean as a snake about it.
          Together they make up all of this thread huh Gary ?
          What kind of a person could stoop this low. How BAD could someone's life possibly be ?
          sad sad sad
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on December 28, 2010, 01:07:09 AM
          Art you are completely the dumbest humanbeing on this planet. I have not logged into Fornits for over two months you dumb shit. I am sure Mike Crawfors can confirm my statement as true seeing how I have not logged in from my ip address at all. I believe ART you are completely fucking insane. Get a fucken life, I have been so busy with a real life I do not even consider you at all. You are so fucken stupid. Dickhead leave me out of your dumb fornits shit.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on December 28, 2010, 01:09:30 AM
          You all are fucking retarded period, get lives...I got a good one try it sometime.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 28, 2010, 01:16:07 AM
          Sharon do you want cheese with your wine?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 28, 2010, 07:18:50 AM
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          You all are fucking retarded period, get lives...I got a good one try it sometime.

          How about a nice big box of Kleenex for Troll #2
          I think its nice that Marky taught you how to be a troll
          You just arent very good at it
          I bet once you've put in 10 years like babbletits.. You'll be much better at it
          Practice makes mental illness
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on December 28, 2010, 07:20:59 AM
          Quote from: "Sharon McCarthur"
          Sharon do you want cheese with your wine?
          Felice your one twisted bitch. Go cut yourself and make us all happy.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on December 28, 2010, 07:24:21 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          You all are fucking retarded period, get lives...I got a good one try it sometime.

          How about a nice big box of Kleenex for Troll #2
          I think its nice that Marky taught you how to be a troll
          You just arent very good at it
          I bet once you've put in 10 years like babbletits.. You'll be much better at it
          Practice makes mental illness
          Art you have got to be the most ignorant man alive. Keep your delusions going dumbass. I have been way to busy with my own life to even give you a second thought. Unlike you I got other things to do then sit on fornits day in and day out. I did not even want to be on now until I got a call about you spewing and spewing. You are truly demented. I can give a fuck less what you or crazy jane are doing daily on here. You already proved to be a dickhead to many and crazy jane is nothing but a stupid cuntbag, so what more is there to actually say. You can make fun of me all you wish because frankily ARTY I can give a shit anymore. Your just truly a dumbass. I have not even been in the forums at all until yesterday.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on December 28, 2010, 09:43:17 AM
          Dear Ms Drama Queen
          If you read most of what I wrote,it was addressed to Sharon AND Marky
          I dont speak Troll
          So,knowing that only you are Marky (head troll) post here
          My postss were addressed to both of you
          I sense you are angry Sharon. Lighten up francis.. you brought it
          In fact this is ALL about you and you and your pal
          In your 40's and STILL cant own responibility for what you say and do
          I am not amazed by yours and Marky's illnesse
          Its almost a year since I wouldnt join your little cult of hate
          one of the 7 or 8
          Who is the ignorant one ?
          Kleenex ?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on January 01, 2011, 09:45:06 PM
          Sharon
          IF.. A pretty big IF
          what you are saying is true
          Tell me why "Someone" is calling you to tell you of my writings ? After all, Its "Somebody" who has been baiting and playing little trollboy. Your pal,with "Special investigative powers" like Superman.
          Its all come full-circle but you are too stupid to see it.
          This is what Marky does. Day in,Day out.. Marky wants trouble,debate,and someone to fall for his trolling. thats how he has been seeking attention for 10 years. If you have been gone,he has missed you. Because without you.. He is alone
          Pretty sad day, when the best Marky can do for attention,amusement is troll a forum as multiple persona's
          but then we've been here before
          Happy New Year
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on January 02, 2011, 11:55:49 PM
          Mark Babbletits is a fucking idiot. He gets his ejollies in by posting massive spam posts of articles attempting to out people for shit they've never done in places they've never even been to. Babbletit's googlefu is so fucking weak that he's consistently accusing others of crimes in places they've never been  let alone even heard of.

          Worst, it is understood in some circles, that Marky Mark Babbletits had a sick  little sideline as a rentboy.

          That's right  folks.

          Rumors have it that Babbletits made his way through Elan by pimping out his own virgin asshole to the  likes of Sweet Danny "I'm a fucking program loving cocksucker" Bennison. I'm sure Babbletits and  Danny "The Nasty Little Buttfucker" Bennison  spent countless hours pleasuring each other somehow.

          I  don't even want to think  how much cock Sharon sucked to  get through Elan. Quite the accomplished little cum guzzler is my best guess.  I mean what the fuck else can she  do to  pay  the  rent on her house for her 18 kids with 19 different daddies?

          ...
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on January 05, 2011, 05:52:36 PM
          Highlights of Marky and Sharon's antics
          Too good not yo repost
          sharon and her BOSSYbee being put in her place
          Somewhere near "the Trash"


          Sharon
          i am sorry but i fully disagree with you

          you acted no better than them all, you targetted mark badly

          11:49pmAaron
          bullshit

          Mark is playing games on my group.

          11:49pmSharon
          it is not bullshit

          11:50pmAaron
          It very well is bullshit.

          11:50pmSharon
          even if he did you got no right to ban him period

          11:50pmAaron
          I've deleted alot of crap off that group.

          He's attacked me twice

          11:50pmSharon
          see so now your god

          11:50pmAaron
          oh yeah I'm such a god that I can control whereever he goes on the internet.

          logical fallacy at best.

          if he wants he can go start his own group.

          11:50pmSharon
          unless directly attack or bodily harm we are not suppose to fully agree with each other

          11:50pmAaron
          bullshit.

          he's a waste of bandwidth

          and in my group, I determine the rules.

          11:51pmSharon
          call it what you wish but it is fact you have no right to delete anyone ou just dont like

          11:51pmAaron
          along with mike and ginger

          11:51pmSharon
          that is your opinion which you got a right too

          11:51pmAaron
          actually I do have a right to delete whoever I like.

          11:52pmSharon
          ok god then delete me too

          11:52pmAaron
          no need to.

          11:52pmSharon
          and others will be leaving as well trust me

          11:52pmAaron
          you can quit the group on your own.

          don't let the door hit you all on the way out.

          11:52pmSharon
          i am complaining through email about this

          i refuse to allow you to be the internet god

          11:53pmAaron
          go right ahead

          complain till your face falls off.

          11:53pmSharon
          i personally like you and you know that

          but i feel this is wrong

          11:53pmAaron
          fuck if I care.

          quote me on it.

          Mark's bullshit is not welcome.

          11:54pmSharon
          i actually will complain and someone will care trust me

          11:54pmAaron
          he can start his own group for that sort of shit.

          Umm.. No they won't.

          I'm the creator of that group.

          the most they'll do is start their own group.

          which is fine with me.

          11:54pmSharon
          and you said all were welcome

          11:54pmAaron
          serves the same purpose.

          11:54pmSharon
          then that should mean all the good and the bad

          11:54pmAaron
          no.

          11:55pmSharon
          you allow art there and frankily his baby ass started a whole can of shit

          11:55pmAaron
          I'm not a babysitter and the group is not fornits forums.

          11:55pmSharon
          for years he destroyed any good

          11:55pmAaron
          where is art on my group?

          and what problems has he started?

          11:55pmSharon
          well then do not advertise as a fornit group then

          11:55pmAaron
          Art hasn't attacked me twice.

          11:55pmSharon
          omg art has a fake on there

          11:55pmAaron
          Mark has.

          so does mark

          mark has had several fakes.

          11:56pmSharon
          ok so someone attacks you, I think you are man enough to stand up to them, you are an amazing speaker

          so what he blows wind

          11:56pmAaron
          he can blow wind on his own group

          11:56pmSharon
          i guess I thought you stronger than this

          11:56pmAaron
          which he is free to start

          11:56pmSharon
          ok well then it should not advertise fornits then

          11:56pmAaron
          look lady, I started this group to serve as an informational conduit

          11:56pmSharon
          fornits is differently run

          11:56pmAaron
          I'll advertise it as whatever I want

          11:57pmSharon
          ok well i got a problem with it saying fornits then

          11:57pmAaron
          tough shit

          11:57pmSharon
          it should be aaron's world

          ok we will see

          11:57pmAaron
          do your wost.

          worst

          see just how much I care.

          11:57pmSharon
          i am gathering many compaints right now as we speak

          11:57pmAaron
          go for it.

          11:57pmSharon
          you are being highly irrational

          11:57pmAaron
          not really, I'm just not letting you push me around.

          11:57pmSharon
          aaron you are wrong this time

          i am not pushing you around i am speaking to you as an adult

          11:58pmAaron
          Umm.. noo.. I'm just not letting mark play his shithead little games on my group.

          Umm.. no you have threatened me with a bunch of hot air repeatedly.

          11:58pmSharon
          but it reflects on ginger and mike

          11:58pmAaron
          and they are free to do what they want.

          you don't get it do you?:

          It's a free interent.

          11:59pmSharon
          get what this group is a click

          11:59pmAaron
          don't like it... leave and do your own thing.

          11:59pmSharon
          not really a helpful tool

          11:59pmAaron
          not to mark's bullshit it isn't.

          11:59pmSharon
          i do not agree with mark at all but you are denying a survivor

          that is bottom line wrong

          12:00amAaron
          two things for you lady.

          1) I'm not a survivor

          2) I've never given a survivor anything more than any other person.

          12:00amSharon
          but you advocate in helping survivors

          12:00amAaron
          No

          I'm

          NOT

          I'm

          only

          concerned

          about

          kids

          in

          the

          programs

          I

          don't

          care

          abut

          survivors

          12:01amSharon
          ok well i am done speaking about this, I will go a different route

          12:01amAaron
          bye!

          12:01amSharon
          good bye aaron I got better things to do than to argue with an unresoanable person

          12:01amAaron
          thank god
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on January 06, 2011, 01:02:08 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Sharon
          IF.. A pretty big IF
          what you are saying is true
          Tell me why "Someone" is calling you to tell you of my writings ? After all, Its "Somebody" who has been baiting and playing little trollboy. Your pal,with "Special investigative powers" like Superman.
          Its all come full-circle but you are too stupid to see it.
          This is what Marky does. Day in,Day out.. Marky wants trouble,debate,and someone to fall for his trolling. thats how he has been seeking attention for 10 years. If you have been gone,he has missed you. Because without you.. He is alone
          Pretty sad day, when the best Marky can do for attention,amusement is troll a forum as multiple persona's
          but then we've been here before
          Happy New Year

          e: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          by marky mark » 03 Jan 2011, 05:55

          Mark Babbletits is a fucking idiot. He gets his ejollies in by posting massive spam posts of articles attempting to out people for shit they've never done in places they've never even been to. Babbletit's googlefu is so fucking weak that he's consistently accusing others of crimes in places they've never been let alone even heard of.

          Worst, it is understood in some circles, that Marky Mark Babbletits had a sick little sideline as a rentboy.

          That's right folks.

          Rumors have it that Babbletits made his way through Elan by pimping out his own virgin asshole to the likes of Sweet Danny "I'm a fucking program loving cocksucker" Bennison. I'm sure Babbletits and Danny "The Nasty Little Buttfucker" Bennison spent countless hours pleasuring each other somehow.

          I don't even want to think how much cock Sharon sucked to get through Elan. Quite the accomplished little cum guzzler is my best guess. I mean what the fuck else can she do to pay the rent on her house for her 18 kids with 19 different daddies?


          Art go fuck yourself and get a life,You have once again proven your a fool and a sick fuck, not that anyone doubted it. Tell 8 Ball my nuts itch again,  and " Sharon " say's Fuck Off. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:, I await your vile and ignorant response. :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :cheers:  :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on January 06, 2011, 02:59:17 PM
          Poor Marky
          You are the King of Vile/Bile.. and for 10 years
          Look at all you have accomplished
          You've made yourself look like a raving psychotic idiot
          AND you've been run off how many websites now Marky ? I bet you've lost count!
          I think your ratings have slipped. Same people come to read about nasty Marky (suck a cock) Babbletits
          But only to laugh at you and feel sorry for a sick fuck,still under Elan's control
          tell Sharon I am crushed.. It may take MOMENTS to get over her latest fuck you
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on January 07, 2011, 05:14:05 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Poor Marky
          You are the King of Vile/Bile.. and for 10 years
          Look at all you have accomplished
          You've made yourself look like a raving psychotic idiot
          AND you've been run off how many websites now Marky ? I bet you've lost count!
          I think your ratings have slipped. Same people come to read about nasty Marky (suck a cock) Babbletits
          But only to laugh at you and feel sorry for a sick fuck,still under Elan's control
          tell Sharon I am crushed.. It may take MOMENTS to get over her latest fuck you


          You never let me down, you are one sick fuck Art .......And ' Sharon ' said you had a little dick too and it was funny shaped,?? what ever that meant.None the less go fuck yourself ,,you have been busted agian, :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: Busted Again............ :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :beat:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on January 08, 2011, 06:42:20 PM
          Its easy to see when someone tells the truth about your actions
          You spew the same kiddi nonsense every time
          Every time you post anything you are busted
          and Sharon.. I cant really believe she could remember one dick out of all of them she's had in 25 years
          But here's the thing Marky.. I get to use mine for something besides peeing
          or jacking off !
          nite nite marky
          Try again some other time
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on January 10, 2011, 06:42:19 AM
          Speaking of being busted Marky
          Highlights of Marky and Sharon's antics
          Too good not yo repost
          sharon and her BOSSYbee being put in her place
          Somewhere near "the Trash"


          Sharon
          i am sorry but i fully disagree with you

          you acted no better than them all, you targetted mark badly

          11:49pmAaron
          bullshit

          Mark is playing games on my group.

          11:49pmSharon
          it is not bullshit

          11:50pmAaron
          It very well is bullshit.

          11:50pmSharon
          even if he did you got no right to ban him period

          11:50pmAaron
          I've deleted alot of crap off that group.

          He's attacked me twice

          11:50pmSharon
          see so now your god

          11:50pmAaron
          oh yeah I'm such a god that I can control whereever he goes on the internet.

          logical fallacy at best.

          if he wants he can go start his own group.

          11:50pmSharon
          unless directly attack or bodily harm we are not suppose to fully agree with each other

          11:50pmAaron
          bullshit.

          he's a waste of bandwidth

          and in my group, I determine the rules.

          11:51pmSharon
          call it what you wish but it is fact you have no right to delete anyone ou just dont like

          11:51pmAaron
          along with mike and ginger

          11:51pmSharon
          that is your opinion which you got a right too

          11:51pmAaron
          actually I do have a right to delete whoever I like.

          11:52pmSharon
          ok god then delete me too

          11:52pmAaron
          no need to.

          11:52pmSharon
          and others will be leaving as well trust me

          11:52pmAaron
          you can quit the group on your own.

          don't let the door hit you all on the way out.

          11:52pmSharon
          i am complaining through email about this

          i refuse to allow you to be the internet god

          11:53pmAaron
          go right ahead

          complain till your face falls off.

          11:53pmSharon
          i personally like you and you know that

          but i feel this is wrong

          11:53pmAaron
          fuck if I care.

          quote me on it.

          Mark's bullshit is not welcome.

          11:54pmSharon
          i actually will complain and someone will care trust me

          11:54pmAaron
          he can start his own group for that sort of shit.

          Umm.. No they won't.

          I'm the creator of that group.

          the most they'll do is start their own group.

          which is fine with me.

          11:54pmSharon
          and you said all were welcome

          11:54pmAaron
          serves the same purpose.

          11:54pmSharon
          then that should mean all the good and the bad

          11:54pmAaron
          no.

          11:55pmSharon
          you allow art there and frankily his baby ass started a whole can of shit

          11:55pmAaron
          I'm not a babysitter and the group is not fornits forums.

          11:55pmSharon
          for years he destroyed any good

          11:55pmAaron
          where is art on my group?

          and what problems has he started?

          11:55pmSharon
          well then do not advertise as a fornit group then

          11:55pmAaron
          Art hasn't attacked me twice.

          11:55pmSharon
          omg art has a fake on there

          11:55pmAaron
          Mark has.

          so does mark

          mark has had several fakes.

          11:56pmSharon
          ok so someone attacks you, I think you are man enough to stand up to them, you are an amazing speaker

          so what he blows wind

          11:56pmAaron
          he can blow wind on his own group

          11:56pmSharon
          i guess I thought you stronger than this

          11:56pmAaron
          which he is free to start

          11:56pmSharon
          ok well then it should not advertise fornits then

          11:56pmAaron
          look lady, I started this group to serve as an informational conduit

          11:56pmSharon
          fornits is differently run

          11:56pmAaron
          I'll advertise it as whatever I want

          11:57pmSharon
          ok well i got a problem with it saying fornits then

          11:57pmAaron
          tough shit

          11:57pmSharon
          it should be aaron's world

          ok we will see

          11:57pmAaron
          do your wost.

          worst

          see just how much I care.

          11:57pmSharon
          i am gathering many compaints right now as we speak

          11:57pmAaron
          go for it.

          11:57pmSharon
          you are being highly irrational

          11:57pmAaron
          not really, I'm just not letting you push me around.

          11:57pmSharon
          aaron you are wrong this time

          i am not pushing you around i am speaking to you as an adult

          11:58pmAaron
          Umm.. noo.. I'm just not letting mark play his shithead little games on my group.

          Umm.. no you have threatened me with a bunch of hot air repeatedly.

          11:58pmSharon
          but it reflects on ginger and mike

          11:58pmAaron
          and they are free to do what they want.

          you don't get it do you?:

          It's a free interent.

          11:59pmSharon
          get what this group is a click

          11:59pmAaron
          don't like it... leave and do your own thing.

          11:59pmSharon
          not really a helpful tool

          11:59pmAaron
          not to mark's bullshit it isn't.

          11:59pmSharon
          i do not agree with mark at all but you are denying a survivor

          that is bottom line wrong

          12:00amAaron
          two things for you lady.

          1) I'm not a survivor

          2) I've never given a survivor anything more than any other person.

          12:00amSharon
          but you advocate in helping survivors

          12:00amAaron
          No

          I'm

          NOT

          I'm

          only

          concerned

          about

          kids

          in

          the

          programs

          I

          don't

          care

          abut

          survivors

          12:01amSharon
          ok well i am done speaking about this, I will go a different route

          12:01amAaron
          bye!

          12:01amSharon
          good bye aaron I got better things to do than to argue with an unresoanable person

          12:01amAaron
          thank god
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2011, 08:47:45 AM
          :rocker:  :rocker:  :feedtrolls:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :peace:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on January 19, 2011, 07:52:30 AM
          Well Marky
          its been days since we were blessed with your juvenile drivel.
          another site you have been run off
          Its nice to see you have found some other place,perhaps where people dont know you to spew your hate and bile
          its possible,that without you,fornits could be a place to gather and share our common bond
          Personally,I just spent 5 days on vacation in Va with an old friend from Elan
          Guess what Marky
          We never even talked about Elan,or you and your antics
          Wishing you all a nice day,free of hate and bile
          and of course Marky
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on January 21, 2011, 10:55:26 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Well Marky
          its been days since we were blessed with your juvenile drivel.
          another site you have been run off
          Its nice to see you have found some other place,perhaps where people dont know you to spew your hate and bile
          its possible,that without you,fornits could be a place to gather and share our common bond
          Personally,I just spent 5 days on vacation in Va with an old friend from Elan
          Guess what Marky
          We never even talked about Elan,or you and your antics
          Wishing you all a nice day,free of hate and bile
          and of course Marky

          How you went to VA. to visit someone form Elan you say you were with, and for 5 days you never spoke of Elan???????? Sounds like bull-shit,,, but it's your story Art. If I went to see and old friend from High School or worse Elan, I can't see how the old days wouldn't come up in conversation, Heck thats one of the reason to get together and be reminiscent and talk about the fun simpler days or how we made it threw the bad times and are OK now.I think you can understand how odd you statement sounds Art. 5 Days and no Elan conversation good or bad,?????? May Peace be with you Art, :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on January 22, 2011, 08:09:39 AM
          How you went to VA. to visit someone form Elan you say you were with, and for 5 days you never spoke of Elan???????? Sounds like bull-shit,,, but it's your story Art. If I went to see and old friend from High School or worse Elan, I can't see how the old days wouldn't come up in conversation, Heck thats one of the reason to get together and be reminiscent and talk about the fun simpler days or how we made it threw the bad times and are OK now.I think you can understand how odd you statement sounds Art. 5 Days and no Elan conversation good or bad,?????? May Peace be with you Art, :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:[/quote]
          Marky
          Its no story. Its how I have chosen to live my life. I highly suggest you figure that one out. You (and several others) are the minority. Its over man. Its been over for 30 years. All these websites do, is gather the sickest of the sick, to preseverate on a place and time that is over. Perhaps Elan was your "glory days". It was not mine,nor most people's. I dont remember how I "made it through the bad times" its unimportant anymore.
          We remembered things like the Frampton concert we went to in Detroit,or one of the early bands I played in... The Lions/Bears game we froze our asses off at Soldier Field. Our parents,siblings and children etc.
          Things that are important today. You might try that,and you wont be so miserable that you need to post bullshit and make yourself out to be the emotional cripple,you have made yourself out to be.
          I cant think that anyone could enjoy being as mean,and twisted as you have shown everyone here,and elsewhere. Hell,you may not even be a bad guy,if you just let the shit in your head go.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on March 22, 2011, 10:17:36 AM
          :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :jawdrop:  :twofinger:  :notworthy:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :bs:  :bs:  ::puke::  ::puke::  :lala:  :lala:  :lala:  :agree:  :agree:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on March 22, 2011, 11:32:08 AM
          Yawwnnnnn
          Marky's BS vs. The truth
          Seems we've been here before
          Highlights of Marky and Sharon's antics
          Too good not yo repost
          sharon and her BOSSYbee being put in her place
          Somewhere near "the Trash"


          Sharon
          i am sorry but i fully disagree with you

          you acted no better than them all, you targetted mark badly

          11:49pmAaron
          bullshit

          Mark is playing games on my group.

          11:49pmSharon
          it is not bullshit

          11:50pmAaron
          It very well is bullshit.

          11:50pmSharon
          even if he did you got no right to ban him period

          11:50pmAaron
          I've deleted alot of crap off that group.

          He's attacked me twice

          11:50pmSharon
          see so now your god

          11:50pmAaron
          oh yeah I'm such a god that I can control whereever he goes on the internet.

          logical fallacy at best.

          if he wants he can go start his own group.

          11:50pmSharon
          unless directly attack or bodily harm we are not suppose to fully agree with each other

          11:50pmAaron
          bullshit.

          he's a waste of bandwidth

          and in my group, I determine the rules.

          11:51pmSharon
          call it what you wish but it is fact you have no right to delete anyone ou just dont like

          11:51pmAaron
          along with mike and ginger

          11:51pmSharon
          that is your opinion which you got a right too

          11:51pmAaron
          actually I do have a right to delete whoever I like.

          11:52pmSharon
          ok god then delete me too

          11:52pmAaron
          no need to.

          11:52pmSharon
          and others will be leaving as well trust me

          11:52pmAaron
          you can quit the group on your own.

          don't let the door hit you all on the way out.

          11:52pmSharon
          i am complaining through email about this

          i refuse to allow you to be the internet god

          11:53pmAaron
          go right ahead

          complain till your face falls off.

          11:53pmSharon
          i personally like you and you know that

          but i feel this is wrong

          11:53pmAaron
          fuck if I care.

          quote me on it.

          Mark's bullshit is not welcome.

          11:54pmSharon
          i actually will complain and someone will care trust me

          11:54pmAaron
          he can start his own group for that sort of shit.

          Umm.. No they won't.

          I'm the creator of that group.

          the most they'll do is start their own group.

          which is fine with me.

          11:54pmSharon
          and you said all were welcome

          11:54pmAaron
          serves the same purpose.

          11:54pmSharon
          then that should mean all the good and the bad

          11:54pmAaron
          no.

          11:55pmSharon
          you allow art there and frankily his baby ass started a whole can of shit

          11:55pmAaron
          I'm not a babysitter and the group is not fornits forums.

          11:55pmSharon
          for years he destroyed any good

          11:55pmAaron
          where is art on my group?

          and what problems has he started?

          11:55pmSharon
          well then do not advertise as a fornit group then

          11:55pmAaron
          Art hasn't attacked me twice.

          11:55pmSharon
          omg art has a fake on there

          11:55pmAaron
          Mark has.

          so does mark

          mark has had several fakes.

          11:56pmSharon
          ok so someone attacks you, I think you are man enough to stand up to them, you are an amazing speaker

          so what he blows wind

          11:56pmAaron
          he can blow wind on his own group

          11:56pmSharon
          i guess I thought you stronger than this

          11:56pmAaron
          which he is free to start

          11:56pmSharon
          ok well then it should not advertise fornits then

          11:56pmAaron
          look lady, I started this group to serve as an informational conduit

          11:56pmSharon
          fornits is differently run

          11:56pmAaron
          I'll advertise it as whatever I want

          11:57pmSharon
          ok well i got a problem with it saying fornits then

          11:57pmAaron
          tough shit

          11:57pmSharon
          it should be aaron's world

          ok we will see

          11:57pmAaron
          do your wost.

          worst

          see just how much I care.

          11:57pmSharon
          i am gathering many compaints right now as we speak

          11:57pmAaron
          go for it.

          11:57pmSharon
          you are being highly irrational

          11:57pmAaron
          not really, I'm just not letting you push me around.

          11:57pmSharon
          aaron you are wrong this time

          i am not pushing you around i am speaking to you as an adult

          11:58pmAaron
          Umm.. noo.. I'm just not letting mark play his shithead little games on my group.

          Umm.. no you have threatened me with a bunch of hot air repeatedly.

          11:58pmSharon
          but it reflects on ginger and mike

          11:58pmAaron
          and they are free to do what they want.

          you don't get it do you?:

          It's a free interent.

          11:59pmSharon
          get what this group is a click

          11:59pmAaron
          don't like it... leave and do your own thing.

          11:59pmSharon
          not really a helpful tool

          11:59pmAaron
          not to mark's bullshit it isn't.

          11:59pmSharon
          i do not agree with mark at all but you are denying a survivor

          that is bottom line wrong

          12:00amAaron
          two things for you lady.

          1) I'm not a survivor

          2) I've never given a survivor anything more than any other person.

          12:00amSharon
          but you advocate in helping survivors

          12:00amAaron
          No

          I'm

          NOT

          I'm

          only

          concerned

          about

          kids

          in

          the

          programs

          I

          don't

          care

          abut

          survivors

          12:01amSharon
          ok well i am done speaking about this, I will go a different route

          12:01amAaron
          bye!

          12:01amSharon
          good bye aaron I got better things to do than to argue with an unresoanable person

          12:01amAaron
          thank god
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on March 22, 2011, 11:38:22 AM
          Oh Art fuck you, stupid fucker  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on March 22, 2011, 03:16:14 PM
          Easy to tell when you,your alias,or equally as fucked up partner is lying      
          You whine like the cowardly bitch you have always been                            
          You must be bored and lonely today
          Cuddle up next to your hate!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on March 22, 2011, 08:54:34 PM
          :smashcomp:  :bs:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :soapbox:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :bs:  :bs:  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on March 23, 2011, 12:10:06 PM
          You sure are an angry little man Marky
          Did your boyfriend stick it in ya too deep ?
          Maybe you should aim higher than the homeless men by the train station
          If you swallowl it,you wont walk around in a cum stained shirt
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Froderik on March 23, 2011, 12:21:53 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          You sure are an angry little man Marky
          Did your boyfriend stick it in ya too deep ?
          Maybe you should aim higher than the homeless men by the train station
          If you swallowl it,you wont walk around in a cum stained shirt

          :D
          Title: fart man
          Post by: Anonymous on March 23, 2011, 01:19:27 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          You sure are an angry little man Marky
          Did your boyfriend stick it in ya too deep ?
          Maybe you should aim higher than the homeless men by the train station
          If you swallowl it,you wont walk around in a cum stained shirt

          Fart suck and swallow.

          :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :beat:  :beat:  :rocker: :rasta:  :sue:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :twofinger:  :twofinger: :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on March 24, 2011, 07:49:14 AM
          Sharon
          i am sorry but i fully disagree with you

          you acted no better than them all, you targetted mark badly

          11:49pmAaron
          bullshit

          Mark is playing games on my group.

          11:49pmSharon
          it is not bullshit

          11:50pmAaron
          It very well is bullshit.

          11:50pmSharon
          even if he did you got no right to ban him period

          11:50pmAaron
          I've deleted alot of crap off that group.

          He's attacked me twice

          11:50pmSharon
          see so now your god

          11:50pmAaron
          oh yeah I'm such a god that I can control whereever he goes on the internet.

          logical fallacy at best.

          if he wants he can go start his own group.

          11:50pmSharon
          unless directly attack or bodily harm we are not suppose to fully agree with each other

          11:50pmAaron
          bullshit.

          he's a waste of bandwidth

          and in my group, I determine the rules.

          11:51pmSharon
          call it what you wish but it is fact you have no right to delete anyone ou just dont like

          11:51pmAaron
          along with mike and ginger

          11:51pmSharon
          that is your opinion which you got a right too

          11:51pmAaron
          actually I do have a right to delete whoever I like.

          11:52pmSharon
          ok god then delete me too

          11:52pmAaron
          no need to.

          11:52pmSharon
          and others will be leaving as well trust me

          11:52pmAaron
          you can quit the group on your own.

          don't let the door hit you all on the way out.

          11:52pmSharon
          i am complaining through email about this

          i refuse to allow you to be the internet god

          11:53pmAaron
          go right ahead

          complain till your face falls off.

          11:53pmSharon
          i personally like you and you know that

          but i feel this is wrong

          11:53pmAaron
          fuck if I care.

          quote me on it.

          Mark's bullshit is not welcome.

          11:54pmSharon
          i actually will complain and someone will care trust me

          11:54pmAaron
          he can start his own group for that sort of shit.

          Umm.. No they won't.

          I'm the creator of that group.

          the most they'll do is start their own group.

          which is fine with me.

          11:54pmSharon
          and you said all were welcome

          11:54pmAaron
          serves the same purpose.

          11:54pmSharon
          then that should mean all the good and the bad

          11:54pmAaron
          no.

          11:55pmSharon
          you allow art there and frankily his baby ass started a whole can of shit

          11:55pmAaron
          I'm not a babysitter and the group is not fornits forums.

          11:55pmSharon
          for years he destroyed any good

          11:55pmAaron
          where is art on my group?

          and what problems has he started?

          11:55pmSharon
          well then do not advertise as a fornit group then

          11:55pmAaron
          Art hasn't attacked me twice.

          11:55pmSharon
          omg art has a fake on there

          11:55pmAaron
          Mark has.

          so does mark

          mark has had several fakes.

          11:56pmSharon
          ok so someone attacks you, I think you are man enough to stand up to them, you are an amazing speaker

          so what he blows wind

          11:56pmAaron
          he can blow wind on his own group

          11:56pmSharon
          i guess I thought you stronger than this

          11:56pmAaron
          which he is free to start

          11:56pmSharon
          ok well then it should not advertise fornits then

          11:56pmAaron
          look lady, I started this group to serve as an informational conduit

          11:56pmSharon
          fornits is differently run

          11:56pmAaron
          I'll advertise it as whatever I want

          11:57pmSharon
          ok well i got a problem with it saying fornits then

          11:57pmAaron
          tough shit

          11:57pmSharon
          it should be aaron's world

          ok we will see

          11:57pmAaron
          do your wost.

          worst

          see just how much I care.

          11:57pmSharon
          i am gathering many compaints right now as we speak

          11:57pmAaron
          go for it.

          11:57pmSharon
          you are being highly irrational

          11:57pmAaron
          not really, I'm just not letting you push me around.

          11:57pmSharon
          aaron you are wrong this time

          i am not pushing you around i am speaking to you as an adult

          11:58pmAaron
          Umm.. noo.. I'm just not letting mark play his shithead little games on my group.

          Umm.. no you have threatened me with a bunch of hot air repeatedly.

          11:58pmSharon
          but it reflects on ginger and mike

          11:58pmAaron
          and they are free to do what they want.

          you don't get it do you?:

          It's a free interent.

          11:59pmSharon
          get what this group is a click

          11:59pmAaron
          don't like it... leave and do your own thing.

          11:59pmSharon
          not really a helpful tool

          11:59pmAaron
          not to mark's bullshit it isn't.

          11:59pmSharon
          i do not agree with mark at all but you are denying a survivor

          that is bottom line wrong

          12:00amAaron
          two things for you lady.

          1) I'm not a survivor

          2) I've never given a survivor anything more than any other person.

          12:00amSharon
          but you advocate in helping survivors

          12:00amAaron
          No

          I'm

          NOT

          I'm

          only

          concerned

          about

          kids

          in

          the

          programs

          I

          don't

          care

          abut

          survivors

          12:01amSharon
          ok well i am done speaking about this, I will go a different route

          12:01amAaron
          bye!

          12:01amSharon
          good bye aaron I got better things to do than to argue with an unresoanable person

          12:01amAaron
          thank god
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on March 30, 2011, 03:27:35 PM
          .
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 02, 2011, 03:39:55 PM
          I'm trying to figure out if Wayne's flip flop is code for something.
          And why people have to copy and paste convos - at this rate, no one should IM
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Froderik on April 02, 2011, 04:02:21 PM
          I'll admit I've had trouble paying much attention to the recent Elan developments..
          Although I am very glad to hear it was closed!
          There seems to be no shortage of drama surrounding the closing and the release of the book..
          Big surprise, I guess... lol
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB II on April 02, 2011, 08:20:59 PM
          Quote from: "Froderik"
          I'll admit I've had trouble paying much attention to the recent Elan developments..
          Although I am very glad to hear it was closed!
          There seems to be no shortage of drama surrounding the closing and the release of the book..
          Big surprise, I guess... lol

          The book (story) has been released. It is on Facebook. It's a thriller, read it.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 03, 2011, 12:21:07 AM
          .
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 07, 2011, 10:40:01 AM
          Quotations;   WHAT DO JORDAN EISMAN , DANNY BENNISON. & ART WARSHAWSKI ALL HAVE IN COMMON,???? BESIDES HATING ME FOR HELPING WITH THEIR EXPOSURES. THEY ARE ALL ABUSIVE TOO SURVIVORS AND WOMAN, EACH ONE OF THEM HAVE YEARS OF EXPOSURE AND RECORDED ABUSES ON THE WORLD WIDE WEB. [THEY ARE THE 'STRANGER DANGERS' OF THE WEB.] THE CORE CAMPAIGN GROUP, CONDEMNS AND DOES NOT SUPPORT ANY OF THEIR ACTIONS. THEY ARE THE REASON'S FOR FOLKS LIKE US. :lala:  :lala:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on April 07, 2011, 12:45:46 PM
          Please
          Dont be bashful
          Expose me
          I have nothing to hide
          Better check in with your PO
          I believe your hate is consuming you.
          Kinda cool to watch you make a complete fool of yourselves
          Time for lunch ... I just left some tasty morsels in the toilet
          Bon Apetit!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on April 07, 2011, 02:08:40 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Please
          Dont be bashful
          Expose me
          I have nothing to hide
          Better check in with your PO
          I believe your hate is consuming you.
          Kinda cool to watch you make a complete fool of yourselves
          Time for lunch ... I just left some tasty morsels in the toilet
          Bon Apetit!


          Oh I betcha you did fArt (leaving tasty morsels in the toilet). But the question is: Should you be eating those tasty morsels during Passover  :rasta:  :rasta:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on April 07, 2011, 02:18:21 PM
          Incredible fArt :jawdrop:  I went back X number of threads to read and all I see is new screen names that are against you. You sure do know how to make friends fArt. :beat: fArt must get a rise out of being the one who receives the shit end of the stick. I guess he is used to it seeing that all his life is based around it. :rofl:  :rofl: I'll admit, I did come back to this thread to hand you your ass once again, but looks like at least 7 new people have beaten me to it. :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          And whats with the cock sucking and homeless people connection fArt? You sucking off homeless people these days at train stations? This is the second post I found of yours talking about dicks and homeless people. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          Here's to you fArt  :twofinger:  :suicide:  :twofinger:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on April 07, 2011, 02:26:55 PM
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          Incredible fArt :jawdrop:  I went back X number of threads to read and all I see is new screen names that are against you. You sure do know how to make friends fArt. :beat: fArt must get a rise out of being the one who receives the shit end of the stick. I guess he is used to it seeing that all his life is based around it. :rofl:  :rofl: I'll admit, I did come back to this thread to hand you your ass once again, but looks like at least 7 new people have beaten me to it. :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          And whats with the cock sucking and homeless people connection fArt? You sucking off homeless people these days at train stations? This is the second post I found of yours talking about dicks and homeless people. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          Here's to you fArt  :twofinger:  :suicide:  :twofinger:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          More hot air from The Head Coward.. Dont you have anything to say that is remotely likek an adult
          All I read is bile.. Its boring
          Your life must be very full and complete with alot of love and people around that care
          It shows
          Now forget about them
          I was waiting to be exposed... Am SO disapointed
          Maybe you could just make some shit up like you usually do
          I am all for laughing at you some more Babbletits
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on April 07, 2011, 03:10:07 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          Incredible fArt :jawdrop:  I went back X number of threads to read and all I see is new screen names that are against you. You sure do know how to make friends fArt. :beat: fArt must get a rise out of being the one who receives the shit end of the stick. I guess he is used to it seeing that all his life is based around it. :rofl:  :rofl: I'll admit, I did come back to this thread to hand you your ass once again, but looks like at least 7 new people have beaten me to it. :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          And whats with the cock sucking and homeless people connection fArt? You sucking off homeless people these days at train stations? This is the second post I found of yours talking about dicks and homeless people. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          Here's to you fArt  :twofinger:  :suicide:  :twofinger:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          More hot air from The Head Coward.. Dont you have anything to say that is remotely likek an adult
          All I read is bile.. Its boring
          Your life must be very full and complete with alot of love and people around that care
          It shows
          Now forget about them
          I was waiting to be exposed... Am SO disapointed
          Maybe you could just make some shit up like you usually do
          I am all for laughing at you some more Babbletits

          Oh pardon my manners for not talking like an adult and talking more in depth about sucking cocks with homeless people, I guess I'm just not adult worthy like you fArt. :roflmao:
          fArt you already have been exposed, many years ago. Put down the bottle will ya :lala:

          I'm not Babbletits either fella. Make up your fucking mind already you sick freak.

          You do realize fArt when your time of demise comes, everyone will be posting threads about how happy they are that you will be worm food. :roflmao:  Everybody here dislikes you, you stand by yourself fat boy.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on April 07, 2011, 03:10:37 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          Incredible fArt :jawdrop:  I went back X number of threads to read and all I see is new screen names that are against you. You sure do know how to make friends fArt. :beat: fArt must get a rise out of being the one who receives the shit end of the stick. I guess he is used to it seeing that all his life is based around it. :rofl:  :rofl: I'll admit, I did come back to this thread to hand you your ass once again, but looks like at least 7 new people have beaten me to it. :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          And whats with the cock sucking and homeless people connection fArt? You sucking off homeless people these days at train stations? This is the second post I found of yours talking about dicks and homeless people. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          Here's to you fArt  :twofinger:  :suicide:  :twofinger:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          More hot air from The Head Coward.. Dont you have anything to say that is remotely likek an adult
          All I read is bile.. Its boring
          Your life must be very full and complete with alot of love and people around that care
          It shows
          Now forget about them
          I was waiting to be exposed... Am SO disapointed
          Maybe you could just make some shit up like you usually do
          I am all for laughing at you some more Babbletits
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 07, 2011, 04:25:22 PM
          Is Elan Reporter another one on babble tits fake names?  They are both faggots.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on April 07, 2011, 05:20:34 PM
          Thats real low of you fArt, to use a dead mans screen name. But it certainly doesn't surprise me in the least.

          Please continue to make more of an ass out of yourself and piss vodka out in a telephone booth, you fucking drunk. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 07, 2011, 05:24:58 PM
          Elan Reporter went to jail for sticking his penis in a minor's mouth.  lol  What an  idiot.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on April 07, 2011, 05:35:43 PM
          fArt that was you fella. Don't try to mix me up with the crude acts that you performed in real life. You raped an under age girl, and she posts at this forum. DUMBASS!!! :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2011, 10:11:50 AM
          ::)  :cry:  :P  ::fullofshit::  :-X  ::poke::  ::unhappy::  :-[  :-  :-*  :'(  :ftard:  ::evil::  ::OMG::  :cheers:  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::deadhorse::  ^-^  O0  :seg2:  :seg2:  :eek:  :eek:  :nods:  :nods:  :nods:  :poison:  :poison:  :poison:  :poison:  :poison:  :shamrock:  :seg:  :cheers:  :feedtrolls:  :beat:  :bump:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :jamin:  :peace:  :clown:  :tup:  :heartbreak:  :rofl:  :whip:  :agree:  :boycott:  :lala:  :)  :trophy:  :flip:  :flame:  :spam:  :roflmao:  :dose:  :sue:  ::puke::  ;)  :bs:  :(  :moon:  >:(  ;D  :rasta:  :wall:  :smashcomp:  :hug:  :blabla:  8)  :guesswho:  :jerry:  :timeout:  :birthday:  :birthday:
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Dear Ms Drama Queen
          If you read most of what I wrote,it was addressed to Sharon AND Marky
          I dont speak Troll
          So,knowing that only you are Marky (head troll) post here
          My postss were addressed to both of you
          I sense you are angry Sharon. Lighten up francis.. you brought it
          In fact this is ALL about you and you and your pal
          In your 40's and STILL cant own responibility for what you say and do
          I am not amazed by yours and Marky's illnesse
          Its almost a year since I wouldnt join your little cult of hate
          one of the 7 or 8
          Who is the ignorant one ?
          Kleenex ?

           :suicide:  :suicide:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :on phone:  :on phone:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on April 08, 2011, 09:45:26 PM
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          fArt that was you fella. Don't try to mix me up with the crude acts that you performed in real life. You raped an under age girl, and she posts at this forum. DUMBASS!!! :roflmao:

          You did cop to that guilt Farty. ::poke::  ::poke::  ::poke::  ::poke::  ::poke::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on April 08, 2011, 10:12:22 PM
          Marky
          If you knew half of what you think you knew.. There would be hope for you
          You are a liar..straight up stalker.. and a coward
          There is nothing you could say that would be believeable by anyone
          I think we've covered that
          Now be a good little turd burglar and find someone who wants to play with you
          You bore me
          Title: the shit eaters
          Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2011, 11:15:40 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Marky
          If you knew half of what you think you knew.. There would be hope for you
          You are a liar..straight up stalker.. and a coward
          There is nothing you could say that would be believeable by anyone
          I think we've covered that
          Now be a good little turd burglar and find someone who wants to play with you
          You bore me

          (http://http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/23303_133686783312911_8211_n.jpg)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2011, 12:56:31 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Please
          Dont be bashful
          Expose me
          I have nothing to hide
          Better check in with your PO
          I believe your hate is consuming you.
          Kinda cool to watch you make a complete fool of yourselves
          Time for lunch ... I just left some tasty morsels in the toilet
          Bon Apetit!

          (http://http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQVUkDSIog2Zu_mSO7Xxm6xM0Fb5j3ejE_KIHCdeu0DFscP57C0kg)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2011, 01:06:47 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          Incredible fArt :jawdrop:  I went back X number of threads to read and all I see is new screen names that are against you. You sure do know how to make friends fArt. :beat: fArt must get a rise out of being the one who receives the shit end of the stick. I guess he is used to it seeing that all his life is based around it. :rofl:  :rofl: I'll admit, I did come back to this thread to hand you your ass once again, but looks like at least 7 new people have beaten me to it. :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          And whats with the cock sucking and homeless people connection fArt? You sucking off homeless people these days at train stations? This is the second post I found of yours talking about dicks and homeless people. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          Here's to you fArt  :twofinger:  :suicide:  :twofinger:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          More hot air from The Head Coward.. Dont you have anything to say that is remotely likek an adult
          All I read is bile.. Its boring
          Your life must be very full and complete with alot of love and people around that care
          It shows
          Now forget about them
          I was waiting to be exposed... Am SO disapointed
          Maybe you could just make some shit up like you usually do
          I am all for laughing at you some more Babbletits

          (http://http://www.ouranal.com/anal-sex-pics/amateur-anal-9.jpg)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2011, 01:08:52 AM
          :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2011, 04:17:20 AM
          Art sucks dicks.  lol

           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
           :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat: :rasta:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on April 09, 2011, 06:38:34 AM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          fArt that was you fella. Don't try to mix me up with the crude acts that you performed in real life. You raped an under age girl, and she posts at this forum. DUMBASS!!! :roflmao:

          You did cop to that guilt Farty. ::poke::  ::poke::  ::poke::  ::poke::  ::poke::

           :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :jerry:  :jerry:  :rasta:  :rasta:  O0  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  :ftard:  :ftard:  :'(  ::deadhorse::  ::OMG::  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :soapbox:  :spam:  :flip:  :flame:  :agree:  :agree:  :feedtrolls:
          Title: Arty come back!!!!!
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on April 09, 2011, 06:55:52 AM
          I didn't mean to hand you your ass that bad. I know I have a tendenacy to run you off this site cause you can't cope with having the truth thrown in your face day after day like you used to. :suicide:  :suicide:

          You are getting soft in your old age. :jawdrop: I enjoy putting you in your place and reading your stupid responses :tup: . I look forward to reading your dribble that comes out your mouth, then ofcoarse looking at your date profile picture really makes my day. :rocker:  :rocker:  I am sorry if I came on too aggressive and put you in your place and caused you to run off with your tail between your legs :hug: But I assumed your skin was leather by now and you could go round after round with me. :smashcomp:  :smashcomp: I hope you didn't get too angry and smash your computer again  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2011, 07:53:32 AM
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          fArt that was you fella. Don't try to mix me up with the crude acts that you performed in real life. You raped an under age girl, and she posts at this forum. DUMBASS!!! :roflmao:

          You did cop to that guilt Farty. ::poke::  ::poke::  ::poke::  ::poke::  ::poke::

           :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :jerry:  :jerry:  :rasta:  :rasta:  O0  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  :ftard:  :ftard:  :'(  ::deadhorse::  ::OMG::  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :soapbox:  :spam:  :flip:  :flame:  :agree:  :agree:  :feedtrolls:

          Suck cock you CIA spook.  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  :rasta:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on April 09, 2011, 10:18:05 AM
          I know the truth is really hard on you little people.. I am almost sorry that I said anything
          Except the part where I have been laughing at your feeble attempts to drag me into,and down to your level
          Not gonna happen
          Teen Porn Marky ? Arent you a bit old for that ? Besides,Dont you like men.. Or little boys ? Tho it did remind me of a certain Cocksucker you hang with.
          Its ok pal.. You can tell all the lies you like.. I get the pleasure of laughing at you
          oh Peter.,, You really should be more careful
          Try to have a good day girls
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on April 09, 2011, 12:45:10 PM
          Welcome back  :moon:  :moon: fArty :moon:  :moon:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2011, 01:45:48 PM
          :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

          (http://http://uvtblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/ugly_fat_man_big_tummy.jpg)

           :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2011, 06:00:25 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          I know the truth is really hard on you little people.. I am almost sorry that I said anything
          Except the part where I have been laughing at your feeble attempts to drag me into,and down to your level
          Not gonna happen
          Teen Porn Marky ? Arent you a bit old for that ? Besides,Dont you like men.. Or little boys ? Tho it did remind me of a certain Cocksucker you hang with.
          Its ok pal.. You can tell all the lies you like.. I get the pleasure of laughing at you
          oh Peter.,, You really should be more careful
          Try to have a good day girls

          I love Heather.    ::OMG::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on April 09, 2011, 09:57:20 PM
          You girls need to find some new material
          Very Boring and ugly
          Whining and seeking my attention all day
          Im flattered,really,just not interested
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2011, 10:22:18 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          You girls need to find some new material
          Very Boring and ugly
          Whining and seeking my attention all day
          Im flattered,really,just not interested

          You must be interested i f you ya' keep coming back, Art.  Babbletits gets the best of you all the time lol.   I heard through the grape vine he wants to marry Heather W.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on April 09, 2011, 11:48:40 PM
          I think he should call her and propose
          You are totally consumed with hate
          and Cowardice
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 10, 2011, 04:57:56 AM
          :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  :twofinger:  :twofinger:

          Suck dicks
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 10, 2011, 08:43:58 PM
          ART WE LOVE YOU MAN!  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 11, 2011, 01:27:53 AM
          Here's to all you idiots obsessed with Art:

          (http://http://www.unboundedmedicine.com/wp-content/hemorrhoidal%20prolapse.jpg)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on April 11, 2011, 07:36:41 AM
          You must be interested i f you ya' keep coming back, Art.  Babbletits gets the best of you all the time lol.   I heard through the grape vine he wants to marry Heather W.[/quote]
          I am interested. I enjoy seeing folks in their 40's and 50's displaying their temper tantrums and such.
          All because again.. Big bad Art told the truth
          I think its facinating that you have fallen this far in life. It reminds me of how much fun my life is,and how bad you people must have it. It reminds me that I am not,nor could be as sick as you girls are.
          But most of all.. I am reminded of gratitude
          I went to Elan also. I celebrate their closing, by enjoying a nice meal, with an old friend from Elan,and his family.
          Your collective celebration consists of hate,and lies,and bile
          Its actually very sad..At least thats what the majority of the people from Elan think about your antics
          You spent years pissing and moaning about Elan..Looking for some closure... they close down..and here you are whining and playing games like children..
          Appears as though your mental illness' started long before Elan.. And have carried on long after
          For this.. I am truly sorry
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 11, 2011, 08:50:44 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          You must be interested i f you ya' keep coming back, Art.  Babbletits gets the best of you all the time lol.   I heard through the grape vine he wants to marry Heather W.
          I am interested. I enjoy seeing folks in their 40's and 50's displaying their temper tantrums and such.
          All because again.. Big bad Art told the truth
          I think its facinating that you have fallen this far in life. It reminds me of how much fun my life is,and how bad you people must have it. It reminds me that I am not,nor could be as sick as you girls are.
          But most of all.. I am reminded of gratitude
          I went to Elan also. I celebrate their closing, by enjoying a nice meal, with an old friend from Elan,and his family.
          Your collective celebration consists of hate,and lies,and bile
          Its actually very sad..At least thats what the majority of the people from Elan think about your antics
          You spent years pissing and moaning about Elan..Looking for some closure... they close down..and here you are whining and playing games like children..
          Appears as though your mental illness' started long before Elan.. And have carried on long after
          For this.. I am truly sorry[/quote]

          You better get a lawyer and  you know why, fart.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on April 11, 2011, 09:22:03 AM
          LOL
          At least you havent lost your sense of humor
          Bring it on.. Do you have my address  ? .. Oh thats right you do! LOL
          I just cant wait!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on April 11, 2011, 11:56:28 AM
          Lawyer up fArt because the shit is about to hit the fan. I heard from the grape vine that a homeless man has retained a powerful attorney who has waived his fees so that he can sue you for using a date rape drug on this said homeless person and having unconsential sex with him.  :waaaa:  :waaaa: You might want to consider retaining TCK as your attorney as he is very familar with avaiding this so called white mans charges. :moon:  :moon:  :moon: You might have to suck him off several dozen times as TCK does not accpet white mans currency, rather homosexual favors for his knowledge. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on April 11, 2011, 12:24:45 PM
          I highly suggest you call your pal Marky
          He is known all over Fox Lake as the Blowjob Queen
          From what I hear .. He swallows too
          I cant say for sure.. But I bet he would love to act out all of those nasty sex practices you write about so often
          At the very least.. HE will suck you off to completion
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on April 11, 2011, 04:18:08 PM
          So I guess that makes you the wonder lake swallower then fArt.  ::puke::  I know you like to get in bed with the homeless, but what do you do with the midgets?  :rasta:  :rasta: Do you put littlw yamicas on their heads and make them shove matzoh balls up your anas? :rasta:  :rasta:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on April 11, 2011, 04:45:50 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          I highly suggest you call your pal Marky
          He is known all over Fox Lake as the Blowjob Queen
          From what I hear .. He swallows too
          I cant say for sure.. But I bet he would love to act out all of those nasty sex practices you write about so often
          At the very least.. HE will suck you off to completion


          Oh Fartshitsky:


          Well at least this Dumb Fuck is starting  to relies I am not the" Elan Reporter"  That Art has been stalking all these years.Yes Art you have been Stalking the Elan Reporter and your Busted Again. Even when he has just handed you your Ass you still Stalk him and me, you sick fuck,LOL, Hey Elan is closed and my name made all the paper's,So did Sharon's and Matt"s. I didn't see your's anywhere,Sharon Terry even named us as one of the main causes, I didn't see you getting any honorable mention You Jack Ass.Oh that was my $45.000 F350 King Ranch,I was in the day my buddy and me got that Jeep regulator from you, Oh and it's mine," Matt", saw it and was in it last month in Va. .As you didn't know I was standing right in front of you that day, nor do you know anything about me Farty.But I know allot about you,, And thats because I am Smarter than you Farty. You are an Ass and always will be ,and you will never have the things I have in life, because your not that Smart. :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 11, 2011, 05:44:10 PM
          Art sucks dicks
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on April 11, 2011, 05:54:19 PM
          Oh Marky
          So its just like Fornits.. You are excited to have your name in the paper ? LOL
          You really ARE a dumb motherfucker Babitz. I have done a dozen interviews,picture in the Lewiston Journal,and Portland paper
          Who fucking cares ya big baby
          I havent stalked anyone,and I sincerely hope Petie isnt blowing smoke up my ass,as I would love to see him in a courtroom answering for his Bullshit of 10 years. But stalking .. that would be you Mr Babitz.. you are a sissy coward playing little girl games on the internet.. Same as Petie
          So now that makes what ?.... 3-4 people participating in this... and thousands of ex-residents laughing at all of you
          Elan didnt close because of anything you idiots did. You are simply 3 delusional fucks looking make yourselves feel better = for bragging rights
          You couldnt care less about others or you wouldnt display these vile behaviors as you have,and do daily
          Petie.. I would love to come to Ct to defend myself... Please make it so
          HAs your family recieved the copies of your famous rants ?
          They will as the Greenwich PD already has
          Night Night
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 11, 2011, 06:30:57 PM
          Fart, more legal threats?   How many people to you stalk on Craiglist?  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: ::OMG::  ::OMG:: :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on April 11, 2011, 06:56:45 PM
          You dropped out of school too soon to distinguish between a threat,and what really happened
          No threats at all
          I think Ive spent way too much time @ Marky and Petie's personal toilet
          Night suckers
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 11, 2011, 07:07:05 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          You dropped out of school too soon to distinguish between a threat,and what really happened
          No threats at all
          I think Ive spent way too much time @ Marky and Petie's personal toilet
          Night suckers

          I received an e-mail where legal action might be taken against me.  I wonder who that was from? Art?   ::OMG::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on April 11, 2011, 07:44:35 PM
          I'm lost here..Am I suppose to be Petie now fArt?  :rasta:  :rasta:  I thought I was Marky? :rasta:  :rasta:  Well again,, I hate to burst your bubble fArt but I am not this so called Petie if that is who you are refering to me as these days. But it wouldn't surprise me because Petie makes #10 identity that you think I am. I assume you will roll with this for the next 12 months. Thats usually about the time frame that fArt continues to run with the indentities from which he thinks I am.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  Maybe fArt takes a huge long deep throat on one of his many dozens of dildos that he owns and after he deep throats that dildo to the point of him gaging and dry heaving, then plays with his little old shriveled up penis and tries to get it hard after looking at a picture of his mommy and daddy, then shoves it up his dogs asshole, only to give his dog a reach around while doing so, he then crowns me a new identity.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

           :moon:  :moon: fArt Warshitsky  :moon:  :moon:

          The wonder lake swallower. The wonder lake dog fucker. The wonder lake homeless man raper, who uses date rape drugs to knock out homeless men, so he can suck their penis's. Yea, thats pretty gross of you fArt. :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:

          Here's to ya fella  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :fuckoff:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on April 11, 2011, 07:50:33 PM
          Speaking of toilets fArt :rocker:  :rocker: Do you wash your dentures in your toilet before or after you flush your turds :rasta:  :rasta:  I know how much it means to you to smell like shit and have your breath match your body odor. So I just had to ask.

          Now go back to sucking your dildos and I sure hope you didn't rape a homeless man you sick fuck. :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 12, 2011, 04:44:43 AM
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          Speaking of toilets fArt :rocker:  :rocker: Do you wash your dentures in your toilet before or after you flush your turds :rasta:  :rasta:  I know how much it means to you to smell like shit and have your breath match your body odor. So I just had to ask.

          Now go back to sucking our dildos and I sure hope you didn't rape a homeless man you sick fuck. :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          You accuse Art of having mental problems?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on April 12, 2011, 09:29:55 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Oh Marky
          So its just like Fornits.. You are excited to have your name in the paper ? LOL
          You really ARE a dumb motherfucker Babitz. I have done a dozen interviews,picture in the Lewiston Journal,and Portland paper
          Who fucking cares ya big baby
          I havent stalked anyone,and I sincerely hope Petie isnt blowing smoke up my ass,as I would love to see him in a courtroom answering for his Bullshit of 10 years. But stalking .. that would be you Mr Babitz.. you are a sissy coward playing little girl games on the internet.. Same as Petie
          So now that makes what ?.... 3-4 people participating in this... and thousands of ex-residents laughing at all of you
          Elan didnt close because of anything you idiots did. You are simply 3 delusional fucks looking make yourselves feel better = for bragging rights
          You couldnt care less about others or you wouldnt display these vile behaviors as you have,and do daily
          Petie.. I would love to come to Ct to defend myself... Please make it so
          HAs your family recieved the copies of your famous rants ?
          They will as the Greenwich PD already has
          Night Night



          Hey Fartshitsky read the paper Stupid,,,,,    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... wiwn07Gs8A (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sunjournal.com%2Fcity%2Fstory%2F1005073&ei=ZEykTYviA8zHswarg4iNCA&usg=AFQjCNHrLYK10CXzugRsFEXLwiwn07Gs8A)

          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... g-jBxybnAA (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CCIQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.heal-online.org%2Felan2.htm&ei=ZEykTYviA8zHswarg4iNCA&usg=AFQjCNHWdvGcs6HUfC9Z0k-kg-jBxybnAA)


          Quote Sharon Terry;

          Kernochan, McCarthy, Mark Babitz of Chicago and Matt Hoffman of Virginia are the core group behind the anti-Elan Internet campaign, and McCarthy runs the three-year-old Elan Survivors Group. She estimated that there are about 400 members of the support group, with membership growing since the closure was announced as memories surfaced.

          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... a_kI2vscZA (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CCkQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnew.bangordailynews.com%2F2011%2F03%2F30%2Fnews%2Flewiston-auburn%2Fdisappointment-expressed-about-closure-of-elan-school%2F&ei=ZEykTYviA8zHswarg4iNCA&usg=AFQjCNExdkd9fx8lA2Pmp-7wa_kI2vscZA)


          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... 0Lcr9IezBA (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CC8QFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bioportfolio.com%2Fnews%2Farticle%2F557337%2FElan-School-Closing-Due-To-Low-Numbers-Negative-Web-Campaign.html&ei=ZEykTYviA8zHswarg4iNCA&usg=AFQjCNEvx6KFQ3QgcylLJGZq0Lcr9IezBA)


          Gee Fartshitsky, We are famous and your still an Ass, Couldn't find any Elan Closing articles with your name ,Farty,But I know they knew you were there in stalking spirit.

          You looser,. You have almost as much neg publicity as Elan when I Google your name, You are Ex-Staff "Fartshitsky" and yes we got you fucks, Go practice your control crap with Ex-Saffer Danny, Aka Diablo.Yes Art,, Busted Again.News Papers don't lie just you Farty.Read it you Ass-Hole, I am noted in the closing of Elan and your name is now where, LOL. And thats because your an Abuser and Pedophile, as you have admitted and been busted for . Sorry Fartshitsky your still that lonesome Looser and Abuser at the junk yard,, That no one will ever know about, for any kind of good. just your Abuses and Stalking of people,That will be and is your legacy... :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:

          The only way your name will make the paper is when The Elan Reporter takes you to court.LOL :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl: The Elan Reporter is on Garbage Detail, this month, a voluntary position. and, your some of what he needs to throw out,Your Odor is getting to everyone.The Reporter has you so busted, all the Reporter and me could do is laugh at you, when I saw the Reporter in Ct. last month while filming Elan. :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :cheers:  :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on April 12, 2011, 09:46:12 AM
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          I'm lost here..Am I suppose to be Petie now fArt?  :rasta:  :rasta:  I thought I was Marky? :rasta:  :rasta:  Well again,, I hate to burst your bubble fArt but I am not this so called Petie if that is who you are refering to me as these days. But it wouldn't surprise me because Petie makes #10 identity that you think I am. I assume you will roll with this for the next 12 months. Thats usually about the time frame that fArt continues to run with the indentities from which he thinks I am.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  Maybe fArt takes a huge long deep throat on one of his many dozens of dildos that he owns and after he deep throats that dildo to the point of him gaging and dry heaving, then plays with his little old shriveled up penis and tries to get it hard after looking at a picture of his mommy and daddy, then shoves it up his dogs asshole, only to give his dog a reach around while doing so, he then crowns me a new identity.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

           :moon:  :moon: fArt Warshitsky  :moon:  :moon:

          The wonder lake swallower. The wonder lake dog fucker. The wonder lake homeless man raper, who uses date rape drugs to knock out homeless men, so he can suck their penis's. Yea, thats pretty gross of you fArt. :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:

          Here's to ya fella  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :fuckoff:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:


          I cant wait for when The Reporter Exposes themselves, And Farty find's out there are some girl's out there that will hand him his Ass over and over. and he can't stop them.Oh Fartshitsky your so Stupid.LOL and a Looser. :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on April 12, 2011, 11:12:25 AM
          LOL Yes Babbletits.. You are famous LOL
          But for all the wrong things
          DO you really think I am jealous? We are gonna be laughing at that one for a long time Marky
          I think,if you had a hand in closing Elan.. Thank you
          God knows Sharon Terry would never lie LOL
          They were out of money you moron. Look at the legalities. Several of their vendors have taken Liens on their property you idiot!
          20 some residents in one house,down from what 350-400 in their "hey day"
          Its been coming for years and I like to think that each one of us collectively had a hand in this..
          Agree/Disagree.. But again.. Your "Core group" less Matt is a couple liars,cheaters,and thieves
          Even in the article(s) you lied over and over and you know it..as does everyone else
          I have had the same laugh with a dozen or so people in the last week.. Including someone's "sister"
          But hey.. If this is all the esteem you got.. I understand
          Please sue me...
          I think your ratings are slipping faster than you can suck a cock Marky
          SUCK HARDER!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on April 12, 2011, 03:28:19 PM
          Interesting. I was gonna come and hand fArt his ass for his daily feeding ritual but looks like Mark and company beat me to it. Mark really handed fArt his ass on a shiny silver platter. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          fArt everyone knows about you being a pediphile, even people that don't even know of you can know. Mark is correct..It is available all over the internet. :cheers: You probably could care less because thats how drunks function. They could care less about everything else except their beloved booze and when they will get their next fix. :moon:  :moon: fArty :moon:  :moon:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:

          I've owned you fella ever since the begining when you tried to open your fat mouth to me way back when you still were sucking dicks and fucking your wonder lake pooch's furry asshole!!! :roflmao:  :roflmao: You are just one dumb fella who keeps coming back for more ass handing even though I've kicked you down hundreds of times. :hug:  :hug: Though you have gotten soft over the years and are way beyond a broken record player that keeps skipping every record.  :flip: I actually found out that I have to tone myself down when handing you your ass cause you will run off fornots with your tail tucked behind your legs like you did over the weekend.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: You made your business our business when you copped to being a pediphile and a homeless people raper. Maybe thats your style and you think it's ok to let everyone know you are a sick freak. You probably love the attention from it all. :jawdrop:  :rocker:


          Good afternoon  :moon:  :moon: fArty :moon:  :moon:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on April 13, 2011, 12:54:41 AM
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          Interesting. I was gonna come and hand fArt his ass for his daily feeding ritual but looks like Mark and company beat me to it. Mark really handed fArt his ass on a shiny silver platter. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          fArt everyone knows about you being a pediphile, even people that don't even know of you can know. Mark is correct..It is available all over the internet. :cheers: You probably could care less because thats how drunks function. They could care less about everything else except their beloved booze and when they will get their next fix. :moon:  :moon: fArty :moon:  :moon:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:

          I've owned you fella ever since the begining when you tried to open your fat mouth to me way back when you still were sucking dicks and fucking your wonder lake pooch's furry asshole!!! :roflmao:  :roflmao: You are just one dumb fella who keeps coming back for more ass handing even though I've kicked you down hundreds of times. :hug:  :hug: Though you have gotten soft over the years and are way beyond a broken record player that keeps skipping every record.  :flip: I actually found out that I have to tone myself down when handing you your ass cause you will run off fornots with your tail tucked behind your legs like you did over the weekend.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: You made your business our business when you copped to being a pediphile and a homeless people raper. Maybe thats your style and you think it's ok to let everyone know you are a sick freak. You probably love the attention from it all. :jawdrop:  :rocker:


          Good afternoon  :moon:  :moon: fArty :moon:  :moon:


           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: Oh my God Fartshitsky a back to back Ass Kicking AGAIN,!!!!!!!!! I had just handed you your ASS,to only have the Reporter to come up and finnish you off AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!.


          FARTSHITSKY GET OUT OF THE ROAD !!!!!!!!! YOU IDIOT !!!!!!!!!!!  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
          You are worse than Danny could ever get, ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke:: Your an Abuser and a Stalking Troll,and of course a Pedophile.And are getting your ASS Handed To You AGAIN,!!  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma: I am sure you will fire back with your words of Witt and great number of friends in support of you. Did I mention that that Ass-Hole Zeretski hated you,?? well he did. So I await your response oh great Farty carfull thre reporter doesn't run you over befor I get to the intersection OK Ass-Hole.?? Thanks Shitsky, and give 8-Ball a hard one in the Ass for me. :rocker:  :rocker:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  




          HEY Fartshitsky read the paper Stupid,,,,, http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w) ... wiwn07Gs8A

          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w) ... g-jBxybnAA


          Quote Sharon Terry;

          Kernochan, McCarthy, Mark Babitz of Chicago and Matt Hoffman of Virginia are the core group behind the anti-Elan Internet campaign, and McCarthy runs the three-year-old Elan Survivors Group. She estimated that there are about 400 members of the support group, with membership growing since the closure was announced as memories surfaced.

          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w) ... a_kI2vscZA


          http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w) ... 0Lcr9IezBA


          Gee Fartshitsky, We are famous and your still an Ass, Couldn't find any Elan Closing articles with your name ,Farty,But I know they knew you were there in stalking spirit.

          You looser,. You have almost as much neg publicity as Elan when I Google your name, You are Ex-Staff "Fartshitsky" and yes we got you fucks, Go practice your control crap with Ex-Saffer Danny, Aka Diablo.Yes Art,, Busted Again.News Papers don't lie just you Farty.Read it you Ass-Hole, I am noted in the closing of Elan and your name is now where, LOL. And thats because your an Abuser and Pedophile, as you have admitted and been busted for . Sorry Fartshitsky your still that lonesome Looser and Abuser at the junk yard,, That no one will ever know about, for any kind of good. just your Abuses and Stalking of people,That will be and is your legacy...        

          The only way your name will make the paper is when The Elan Reporter takes you to court.LOL           The Elan Reporter is on Garbage Detail, this month, a voluntary position. and, your some of what he needs to throw out,Your Odor is getting to everyone.The Reporter has you so busted, all the Reporter and me could do is laugh at you, when I saw the Reporter in Ct. last month while filming Elan.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on April 13, 2011, 09:04:31 AM
          I believe you ran over fArt Mark. :rocker:  :rocker: Either he is licking his wounds, or wondering what other screen names he can come up with so he can have his invisible army defend him. ;D
          fArt likes to think that he is batting for our team when it came to closing elan down but in reality he has always been batting for elan. ::puke::  Because he brings director abuse with his posts each and every day he posts here. :beat:  fArt is not anti-elan he is major pro-elan and that's what's been up his ass lately :moon:  :moon: the closing of elan. Maybe fArt doesn't like Marty and hates him  >:(  but it's all for the wrong reasons. :bs:  For years fArt has been trying to accomplish what Marty has done all of his life and especially done onto fArt, but fArt can't grasp the technique Kruglik mastered and is an agry bitter man for it. >:(  >:( fArt would love to be a master pediphile and be able to control his victums through brainwashing, but fArt realized he himself needs a brain first.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: Why wonder he turns to grade schoolers, because their minds function just slightly higher then his and he doesn't feel as low of himself as he does when addressing us. :jamin:

          Hope you have a nice day  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on April 14, 2011, 01:55:40 PM
          I guess fArt ran off again with his tail tucked between his legs :roflmao:  :roflmao: It's been over 48 hours since the drunk junk man posted. :jawdrop: Or maybe fArt has been  :on phone: talking to his lawyer  :waaaa:  :waaaa: about how myself and mark handed him his ass the other day and he wants to have fornots shut down again. :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:

          I own you  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on April 14, 2011, 04:50:37 PM
          Marty use to be fArts puppet master. Marty would shove his entire arm up fArts asshole until his swollen hand reached fArts vocal cords and then make fArt speak. :roflmao:  :roflmao: But something happened after time and fArt wanted to be the puppet master but was too weak minded to be able to control anyone. ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG:: So fArt left elan for good and headed back to Wonder lake and seeked out minors and lured teen girls with promises of coke and alcohol into cheap motel rooms and the rest is history. ::OMG::  ::OMG::

          Have a nice day  :moon:  :moon: fArty :moon:  :moon:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on April 15, 2011, 08:50:51 PM
          :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  Are you still  :cry: after getting insulted from having your reality thrown in your face :rasta:  :rasta:

          Did you  :smashcomp: because I handed you your  :moon:  :rasta:

          That's what you get for being so  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  and talking to you is like  ::deadhorse::

          Have a great weekend  :moon:  :moon: fArty :moon:

          Oh and  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :fuckoff:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:

           :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Froderik on April 16, 2011, 11:37:57 AM
          Elan Reporter, glad to hear Elan got shut down! :tup:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: RIPPEDOFF on April 16, 2011, 06:54:34 PM
          alice dunn' heart is full of rotting stink and limburger cheese,,  she's also and always was a fat slob who gets off on                  power trippin',,     she's also the reason i rebelled elan from the start.  blamed me for something i never did, GM, the Ring, and all that goes with it..  and took and kept all my memoirs of all the fucked up places i was in before elan,  if u read the book      "Weeping in the playtime of others" by Ken Wooden, you'll get a good idea of what i went through as a kid,  Alice just put the icing on the cake.    she's "Satans little helper" :flame:,  and had NO business diagnosing ANYONES  problems..!                         on the lighter side,,  i thought John Ricci was probably one of only a FEW staff that actualy had a good heart, and gave a damn. actualy wouldnt mind seeing him again if the opportunity came along.    as far as the riot,  i think it was late 70s early 80s.      that was pretty crazy.                     btw,,  it was 4 i was in, not 6.  sorry 'bout that.  also 5 and 8.   looking for lynn lampman and mike fitzwater.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on April 18, 2011, 12:39:01 PM
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  Are you still  :cry: after getting insulted from having your reality thrown in your face :rasta:  :rasta:

          Did you  :smashcomp: because I handed you your  :moon:  :rasta:

          That's what you get for being so  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  and talking to you is like  ::deadhorse::

          Have a great weekend  :moon:  :moon: fArty :moon:

          Oh and  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :fuckoff:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:

           :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:


          WOW  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: Fartshitsky Your ASS Has Been Dice And Sliced AGAIN !!!!!
           :beat:  :beat:  :beat: :twofinger:  :poison:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  ::OMG::  ::OMG:: Your Such An Ass Farty.None Of Your Usual,, ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke:: Words Of Witt,?????. Oh Farty Oh Farty,,, Have A Drink And Settle Down, You Don't Look Any Weaker Than Before, We All Know You Farty,, :beat:  :beat:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  And Your sick twisted Ways  :suicide:  :suicide:  And Now You Hide AGAIN !!!  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  LOL

          As I hand You Your Ass Today ,,,, :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :lala:  :dose:  :dose:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on April 18, 2011, 03:47:53 PM
          Very Profane Marky
          Im so proud of you and your clan of hate
          I bet the editor,and the publisher of the Sun Journal are equally impressed
          Now they too know you for what you really are
          Ooops
          Try not to shit yourself girls
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on April 18, 2011, 08:52:02 PM
          :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  Where the hell ya been fella :rasta:  :rasta:  Sucking some homeless mans  :moon:  :moon:  :rasta:  :rasta:  ::puke::
          I ran your ass off for 4 days you pedophile, and that lame ass comment is the best you got :rasta:  You suck big dick fella ::puke::  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on April 19, 2011, 07:52:51 AM
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  Where the hell ya been fella :rasta:  :rasta:  Sucking some homeless mans  :moon:  :moon:  :rasta:  :rasta:  ::puke::
          I ran your ass off for 4 days you pedophile, and that lame ass comment is the best you got :rasta:  You suck big dick fella ::puke::  :roflmao:  :roflmao:





          DITTO+++++++++++++++++++++++++Your an Ass Farty just like always you Punk, :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :rofl:  :rofl: Did I saw coward too,???? I live right up the road hard ass, don't forget ,your welcome to show how big and bad the Fart is, and time you want. I have been waiting for years,,, You full of shit ass-hole and abuser. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on April 19, 2011, 08:52:30 AM
          Oh Marky
          Mouth writing checks your body cant cash again.. still
          I would never chase a piece of trash like you anywhere. I dont know where you live,and I dont care
          Its simply not my style,and am not a tough guy like you cowards,liars,cheaters and thieves
          You are just a common criminal
          Every time I tell the truth,you and your "band of Cowards" act-out like the little people you are.
          Tho you are the source of entertainment for many
          Isnt it you who has been to my place of employment,my street,and all over the internet telling lies ?
          Yup I think so and its very well documenited.
          By you Moron!
          Heather says she is flattered BTW and has filed a police report in her town
          Another Ooops
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on April 19, 2011, 09:18:15 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Oh Marky
          Mouth writing checks your body cant cash again.. still
          I would never chase a piece of trash like you anywhere. I dont know where you live,and I dont care
          Its simply not my style,and am not a tough guy like you cowards,liars,cheaters and thieves
          You are just a common criminal
          Every time I tell the truth,you and your "band of Cowards" act-out like the little people you are.
          Tho you are the source of entertainment for many
          Isnt it you who has been to my place of employment,my street,and all over the internet telling lies ?
          Yup I think so and its very well documenited.
          By you Moron!
          Heather says she is flattered BTW and has filed a police report in her town
          Another Ooops


          You claim to know so much about me Farty,, but you don't know were I live,??? you know my lifestyles and friends and what I drive and what kind of house I live in, as well as I have told you were I live in the past. And now you act stupid,??? :beat:  :beat:  :beat:

          Well stupid you are and always have been, As far as Heather, who ever that is, I have never contacted or spoken to anyone by that name. So  she can look like the same Ass you are, Of course being you as a mentor I see the problem. :cheers:  :cheers:

          My computer is an open book,, any Cop can come and look away, they don't even need a warrant.Just knock on the door, How's that for confidence Big Bad Farty,??? You like hard Asses,?? Well you met one and you can't take it Junk Yard Boy.LOL,,, :beat:  :beat:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl: Go back into hiding AGAIN !!!! you ass. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on April 19, 2011, 10:08:43 AM
          Oh Marky
          Still whining for attention I see. You may have told me these things,but I never pay attention to most things you say
          You are a known liar.
          I know one of your "friends" but truth be told.. He doesnt like you much either. Especially since you were caught in those lies you told him.
          I dont know about the hard-ass part.. But you are ALL ass. This I know for sure
          As far as Heather is concerned. She did what anyone would do knowing what you do,and are responsible for. You and your band of maniac's are dangerous.
          Stalkers and abusers
          Now you have some attention
          Title: Re:john ricci
          Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2011, 05:51:23 PM
          Dave hoffman here,,  'bout 78 to 81,,  5, 8, and parsonsfield.   anyone know how to get a message to john ricci..?  in my opinion,  john was a good hearted dude,   one of the only staff at parsonsfield that actually gave a damn.   i'd ride all the way to maine just to say hi and buy him a burger,, lol,,    he was a HUGE influence on me.                                                             i can be reached at   [email protected]
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on April 19, 2011, 09:47:07 PM
          Looks like fArt's been watching Top Gun and stealing the movies quotes.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

           fArt your body is not capable of writing checks cause it can't cash shit fella!! :roflmao:  :roflmao:  With the exception of the shit that you roll in when having kinky gay homeless man love, rolling around with dirty homeless men that smell worse then a toxic watse dump. :cheers:

          Everytime you come and post here you get your ass handed to you in a matter of minutes it seems. :twofinger:  The only reason you keep coming back is because there currently isn't any technology that enables one to put his hand into the bandwith and puch your fat face square in the face.  :rofl:  If there was you would never show your fat face around this site every again. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  So go run back to your  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: Gay homeless men ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  and fuck then silly and suck their cocks till they fall off. :-*  I'm sure eating their  :moon:  :moon:  :moon: for Passover makes you feel like a winner  :rocker:  ::OMG::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on April 20, 2011, 06:50:34 AM
          Yes little man
          You know some swear words.. You can string them together and almost create a sentence
          How impressive
          YAAAAAAWWWWWNNNNN
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on April 22, 2011, 04:49:56 PM
          ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: fArthur ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::

           :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :moon:  :moon:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 23, 2011, 10:58:09 AM
          Marky, lol you have pissed off your share of people and i wish i would have known earlier... i know your address in fox lake and i know your wisconsin residence... no one will have any problems with you, so to the world your welcome, i will piss on your grave years after your in the ground, stay sneeky mark, you might wanna try harder from now on cuz im on to you like flys on shit man, elaine wasnt anything, i will visit you once again in a cell mother fucker
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on April 24, 2011, 09:23:56 AM
          Quote from: "haha marky"
          Marky, lol you have pissed off your share of people and i wish i would have known earlier... i know your address in fox lake and i know your wisconsin residence... no one will have any problems with you, so to the world your welcome, i will piss on your grave years after your in the ground, stay sneeky mark, you might wanna try harder from now on cuz im on to you like flys on shit man, elaine wasnt anything, i will visit you once again in a cell mother fucker


          You said you didn't know were I live farty. :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:

          Oh Marky
          Still whining for attention I see. You may have told me these things,but I never pay attention to most things you say
          You are a known liar.
          I know one of your "friends" but truth be told.. He doesnt like you much either. Especially since you were caught in those lies you told him.
          I dont know about the hard-ass part.. But you are ALL ass. This I know for sure
          As far as Heather is concerned. She did what anyone would do knowing what you do,and are responsible for. You and your band of maniac's are dangerous.
          Stalkers and abusers
          Now you have some attention

          Was your post some kind of a threat Farty,???

          Its' Vials County Wisconsin and Fox Lake Il,,So what else,,?? I don't hide Farty.Your such a good Detective why don't you provide the addresses, the Fox Lake on is easy you have been stalking me for years, you should know that one.But the other one you will have fun finding you idiot, Evey thing is in a corporation so good luck stupid. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:

          You get your ass handed to you even when your trying to hand out ass.LOL :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 24, 2011, 10:28:50 AM
          Adams County Wisconsin Leona street, dellwood wi =) keep it up marky i know your new truck as well
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on April 24, 2011, 02:31:43 PM
          Quote from: "markyhaha"
          Adams County Wisconsin Leona street, dellwood wi =) keep it up marky i know your new truck as well
          Marky
          I am sorry you suffer from delusions and such. I hate to burst your bubble pal,but it wasnt me. I dont have an alias,I never did,I dont need one. I tell the truth!
          I understand that you cannot wrap your head aropund that one.. Being a known liar,cheater and a thief.. But its true.
          you probably have a fan club by now. You are more than "Kinda an asshole"
          try a different approach rather than the "self serving one" that you have Perfected over the years
          Sounds like you have guilt.. Wonder why ?
          I am having folks over for Ham and the fixings. If you can control yourself,you may come and be with people on this holiday
          You clearly have the address
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 24, 2011, 06:11:42 PM
          hahamarkey and markeyhaha are not mark... i am on to mark and have been for decades... it took me longer to find him then the rest of you
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 24, 2011, 06:17:30 PM
          Art, I want to smoke drugs with you.  When do  you want to party?   :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on April 24, 2011, 11:06:14 PM
          Quote from: "markyhaha"
          Adams County Wisconsin Leona street, dellwood wi =) keep it up marky i know your new truck as well

          So now that you have found me ,,?????????????????????



          Quote from: "hahamarky"
          hahamarkey and markeyhaha are not mark... i am on to mark and have been for decades... it took me longer to find him then the rest of you

          All you had to do is Google my name, Rocket Scientist. :beat:  :beat:  :beat: If you claim not to be farty are just a common Troll hiding,??? :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :timeout:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 24, 2011, 11:41:07 PM
          Now? i know mark? ive been digging you up for years man... i have known about all the abuse you have put your daughter through all the pain of the women you have caused using date rape pills and just plane old rape cause that is good once in a while too right fag bag??? From your poisionings to your choking out women, to your gay fanisies i have heard about from random men in your home town buddy.... you are one sick mother fucker and i will make you pay buddy keep your eyes open im closer than your "sneeky" ass thinks i am, i will continue to watch your every move...keep the blinds down and stay away from the doors...PUSSY ill catch you looking out on day at the wrong moment...one day soon
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on April 25, 2011, 07:09:31 AM
          Well Marky
          You missed a good dinner. Sat on the deck till after 9 and you didnt even troll the neighborhood (that I could see). Am kinda disapointed really. I thought a nice meal,free of the bullshit you live for,just might be the ticket to you getting better.
          I stand corrected
          No more Junkyard dog for me Marky. Going back to working for myself. I am gonna be around alot more than I used to. Maybe,if you grow up some,I'll invite you to lunch and we can put this nonsense to bed. It just depends on whether you want to be a grown up or not
          I am betting not
          But open to being suprised
          ps.. Looks like the stalker (you),has a stalker.. How appropriate!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on April 25, 2011, 09:41:02 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Well Marky
          You missed a good dinner. Sat on the deck till after 9 and you didnt even troll the neighborhood (that I could see). Am kinda disapointed really. I thought a nice meal,free of the bullshit you live for,just might be the ticket to you getting better.
          I stand corrected
          No more Junkyard dog for me Marky. Going back to working for myself. I am gonna be around alot more than I used to. Maybe,if you grow up some,I'll invite you to lunch and we can put this nonsense to bed. It just depends on whether you want to be a grown up or not
          I am betting not
          But open to being suprised
          ps.. Looks like the stalker (you),has a stalker.. How appropriate!

          Art who ever it is, is a coward and afraid. They were doing OK until the Abuses of my Daughter and Date Rape shot's. Then I could see it was just some dumb Troll,



          "Now? i know mark? ive been digging you up for years man... i have known about all the abuse you have put your daughter through all the pain of the women you have caused using date rape pills and just plane old rape cause that is good once in a while too right fag bag??? From your poisionings to your choking out women, to your gay fanisies i have heard about from random men in your home town buddy.... you are one sick mother fucker and i will make you pay buddy keep your eyes open im closer than your "sneeky" ass thinks i am, i will continue to watch your every move...keep the blinds down and stay away from the doors...PUSSY ill catch you looking out on day at the wrong moment...one day soon"


          "One Day Soon" LOL, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl: If they want a lesson in intimidation, the first thing to remember is keep it real.Once they ver off the path of truth, they expose them selfs as fools and cowards.


          Wisconsin Circuit Clerk is not a new tool.Or try,,  http://www.yasni.com/ (http://www.yasni.com/)   That is great search engine too.

          As far as your statement about leaving the junk yard Art, good for you, I know the grind of others always wanting more, and paying less is no fun. Employers always want you to share in the losses and slow times.I spent many years selling used cars on Golf Rd and Western Ave,And dealing with the public burns you out fast, and when profits
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on April 25, 2011, 09:57:29 AM
          There was a report of an older over weight man who fits your description fArt, seen sucking dicks on a deck this past Sunday in wonder lake.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  Hams is a code word for dicks. Having people over is a code word for inviting homeless men over for gay sex.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          I can only image how much protein fArt swallowed on that little deck of his. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          fArt also probably made his own peeps out of his shit and ate them. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on April 25, 2011, 11:00:18 AM
          How very prolific again reporter,Sharon,Marky,Peter
          A shared screen name for the ultimate in harrassment.
          Who is gonna take care of your kids when you are led away in handcuffs.. Again. Seems you are still suffering with a cognitive thinking disorder.
          oh well
          I was thinking Mark and I could put this battle to rest.. But I may have been giving too much credit where it didnt belong
          Its ok to post your nasty fantasies online. I dont mind laughing at you one little bit
          Today IS a good day
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on April 25, 2011, 11:30:08 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          How very prolific again reporter,Sharon,Marky,Peter
          A shared screen name for the ultimate in harrassment.
          Who is gonna take care of your kids when you are led away in handcuffs.. Again. Seems you are still suffering with a cognitive thinking disorder.
          oh well
          I was thinking Mark and I could put this battle to rest.. But I may have been giving too much credit where it didnt belong
          Its ok to post your nasty fantasies online. I dont mind laughing at you one little bit
          Today IS a good day

          You know it's funny how reach your hand out and then pull it back "Art", I don't understand how someone else comments have anything to do with me.????

          You pose as such a "Cyber Sleuth", but can't see I am not the "Reporter". All I know about the "Reporter" is they are from the East Coast, and thats it. I am not the "Reporter" Art. :peace:  :rocker:


          P.S. The "Reporter" is not a shared name. The "Reporter" and their staff run Solo,and Renegade,I know they are not stupid, they just like to fuck with you.The "Reporters Staff"  helped out tremendously in the Closing of Elan, and played a key role in the Web Campaign, They did in fact use their real name, But that is not for me to say with out their consent.I will say they are not affiliated with "The Core Campaign Group" But they do have our total respect and cooperation if ever needed. The "Reporter" as known here on Fornit's , was and is a very stand up person when needed.And when Elan came along they stood right up,said their name and fired away, and continue today to fight Elans past in many great ways,  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :peace:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on April 25, 2011, 12:58:47 PM
          Mark
          I did hold my hand out. Till I realized that it would do no good whatsoever.
          Things are bit different in Ct Vs. il. They have had some laws on the books a long time and have prosecuted several cases just like the one involving this vile little person. Its just a matter of time and we will all get to read about it in the newspaper.
          When you rid yourself of this kind of affiliation,its possible that we can put this to an end
          Not before. How or why someone with an education,would write these nasty stories is beyond my understanding. I guess I am just not sick enough. Every time I read that drivel,I only become more and more grateful that my life isnt that bad
          I shared this quote with your other partner once before
          You can only judge the distance, by the company you keep.
          Joe Walsh
          Had a nice chat with J Meyer just recently. She will be one of the witnesses my attorney calls on. WE will be setting a date after the first, and I will be visiting Ct for his(their) "cause hearing"
          Game over
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on April 25, 2011, 11:15:29 PM
          Oh my..Here goes  :moon:  :moon: fArt Warshitsky :moon:  :moon:  with his ersatz civil suits again  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  Just like a skipping record playing the same tune over and over and over......

          fArt you have been sniffing your mommies panties way too long fella  ::puke::  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: Please continue to suck those filthy homeless mens dicks. :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:

          Yep, fArt sucks dicks!!!! :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:

           :moon:  :moon: fArt warshitsky :moon:  :moon:

           :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 26, 2011, 01:05:34 PM
          hello marky, or art or asshole, what ever you pefer today just wanted to let you know i seen you out and about in your new powerstroke today...just wondering how you woulda got that considering you have been unemployed for the last 10 years + :timeout: or i bet your girlfriend bought that too eh? keep using her money you worthless fuck! you have bad mouthed everyone in this room and everyone you have ever met! do the world a favor and kill yourself you worthless piece of shit! ik all about your life marky.... whats with the fake profile pic you little bitch...to scared to show the world who you... probably cause too many people would come forward eh? Your a twisted little fuck man.... Life as YOU know it will be much diffrent marky... i hope your fucking smart enough to make the right choices when these things happen.... if your not concerned i wouldnt blame you, course who could your mark your fucking unpredictable.... thats why things will change...you need to be hospitalized marky, your desicions from here on out really will reflect more now then ever i promise mark...with eveything i have because its so worth it... you have torn people apart, you have fucked up man and it is your time to realize that it is not okay to hurt people so fuck you mark see you in hell mother fucker stay sleek you will pop out again on the right day... im watching you mark... im closer to you than i ever will be again...your not very smart in some ways.... insurance fraud is illegal as well and if thats were that truck come from you will get caught even faster you stupid fuck! see you soon  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on April 26, 2011, 05:55:16 PM
          Quote from: "fuckmarkbabitz"
          hello marky, or art or asshole, what ever you pefer today just wanted to let you know i seen you out and about in your new powerstroke today...just wondering how you woulda got that considering you have been unemployed for the last 10 years + :timeout: or i bet your girlfriend bought that too eh? keep using her money you worthless fuck! you have bad mouthed everyone in this room and everyone you have ever met! do the world a favor and kill yourself you worthless piece of shit! ik all about your life marky.... whats with the fake profile pic you little bitch...to scared to show the world who you... probably cause too many people would come forward eh? Your a twisted little fuck man.... Life as YOU know it will be much diffrentke the right choices when these things happen... marky... i hope your fucking smart enough to ma. if your not concerned i wouldnt blame you, course who could your mark your fucking unpredictable.... thats why things will change...you need to be hospitalized marky, your desicions from here on out really will reflect more now then ever i promise mark...with eveything i have because its so worth it... you have torn people apart, you have fucked up man and it is your time to realize that it is not okay to hurt people so fuck you mark see you in hell mother fucker stay sleek you will pop out again on the right day... im watching you mark... im closer to you than i ever will be again...your not very smart in some ways.... insurance fraud is illegal as well and if thats were that truck come from you will get caught even faster you stupid fuck! see you soon  :fuckoff:

          Your always welcome to come out of the shadows, and I can drag you from the back of that Power Stroke. Why dont you stand up and be for real you coward. :fuckoff:  :seg:  :seg: Ha Ha a Troll threatening someone Ha ha.Woooo you know what I drive, LOL,And I live in Fox Lake too, stop in and say HI coward. Thats right trolls don't do that.

          Insurance fraud is illegal,LOl So are your off the wall post stupid.
          Torn people apart,?? Your mind was torn apart long before I came along,"Art" Yea "Art"
          Your post are very hateful and violent, always going back to the same underlying things from other post's you have done.Your not a good Troll "Art". You killed yourself in the first words of this one.
          Quote from: fuckmarkbabitz
          hello marky, or art or asshole,Why would someone use your name with mine,??? Or " you have fucked up man and it is your time to realize that it is not okay to hurt people so fuck you mark see you in hell mother fucker stay sleek you will pop out again on the right day... im watching you mark... im closer to you than i ever will'


          Those are the words of Art, Busted Again,, :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 26, 2011, 07:05:15 PM
          lmao call me what you want bitch well see who drags who from that powerstroke... no response on the profile pic???? coward..  you are for sure no doubt... and i never said anything about any shot i said drug so are you confessing to giving date rape shots too??? Your one sick mother fucker mark.... and one more thing your insurance fraud is illegal to the point of prision and will be easy to prove... you can tell the jugde art sent you if youd like... but i like my name better
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on April 27, 2011, 08:17:33 AM
          Mark
          I have never logged in as someone else and you know it. That would be your hobby.
          Someone has you spun,sorry to say its not me.
          But I find a bit of Irony in your back and forth with this person
          Troll fighting a troll
          I should write a fucking book myself !
          I dont know what you drive or care. Dont know where you live or care.
          Sounds like someone has dirt on you BESIDES me
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on April 27, 2011, 09:02:21 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Mark
          I have never logged in as someone else and you know it. That would be your hobby.
          Someone has you spun,sorry to say its not me.
          But I find a bit of Irony in your back and forth with this person
          Troll fighting a troll
          I should write a fucking book myself !
          I dont know what you drive or care. Dont know where you live or care.
          Sounds like someone has dirt on you BESIDES me


          Looks like someone just reads my posts,True detective they are not, and as far being able to threaten,,well they needs lessons.Perhaps they do know me thats why they talk threw a computer and not to my face.And that I give them credit for brains.face to face I would just laugh at them and make them look like a fool. Yes that is the type of person I am, always challenging and testing,I have no fear nor care about offending anyone.And people that really know me know that.Yes I will say anything to anyone.

          I don't hide and confront anyone,and I push to the end to get someone to go off do what they say.I haven't seen many do much more than talk.

          The thing that makes a guy like me dangerous Dr's have said, is I don't care about human life, mine nor others. I live for the moment and now, I don't fear death or pain, no I am not nut's just not afraid of people.And thats why people don't confront me that know me or about me.They know I don't give a fuck and always welcome new challenges and confrontation.I love to fuck with people and beat them down, mentally and physically.I love beating up on bullies and frauds.I have met many hard asses and found them all to be jokes in some way.

          I wish my new Troll friend wasn't so afraid to come out, but I am use to that. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on April 27, 2011, 09:26:38 AM
          fArt you are so ::fullofshit:: fella. I can name at least 6 different names you have used here in the last 10 plus years you stupid fuck. Did you think I would sit back and let you play your skipping record brain with this Mark this time?

          fArt is the only troll at fornits that uses multiple names, and he is lieing to you about not doing so. If you have any doubt, it is always fArt behind it all. :beat:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on April 27, 2011, 09:48:51 AM
          The thing that makes a guy like me dangerous Dr's have said, is I don't care about human life, mine nor others
           
          thats quite a statement Mark
          but you are not mentally Ill ? This is normal adult behavior ?
          The joke is on you dude. .You are a fool and EVERYONE laughs at you. Except for your other screen names and those who dont post here anymore.. Which would be just about everyone. Notice your ratings. They dont look at your drivel and think you are The Coolest. They think you are very sick and should be locked up
           
          As for your reporter friend
          please show me the identities I have assumed online ? This should be good folks...
          Pleaser make a bigger fool of yourself
          Can it be done ?
           
          Edit postReport this postReply with quoteRe: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          by liarsexposed » 27 Dec 2010, 21:00

          Highlights of Marky and Sharon's antics
          Too good not yo repost
          sharon and her BOSSYbee being put in her place
          Somewhere near "the Trash"


          Sharon
          i am sorry but i fully disagree with you

          you acted no better than them all, you targetted mark badly

          11:49pmAaron
          bullshit

          Mark is playing games on my group.

          11:49pmSharon
          it is not bullshit

          11:50pmAaron
          It very well is bullshit.

          11:50pmSharon
          even if he did you got no right to ban him period

          11:50pmAaron
          I've deleted alot of crap off that group.

          He's attacked me twice

          11:50pmSharon
          see so now your god

          11:50pmAaron
          oh yeah I'm such a god that I can control whereever he goes on the internet.

          logical fallacy at best.

          if he wants he can go start his own group.

          11:50pmSharon
          unless directly attack or bodily harm we are not suppose to fully agree with each other

          11:50pmAaron
          bullshit.

          he's a waste of bandwidth

          and in my group, I determine the rules.

          11:51pmSharon
          call it what you wish but it is fact you have no right to delete anyone ou just dont like

          11:51pmAaron
          along with mike and ginger

          11:51pmSharon
          that is your opinion which you got a right too

          11:51pmAaron
          actually I do have a right to delete whoever I like.

          11:52pmSharon
          ok god then delete me too

          11:52pmAaron
          no need to.

          11:52pmSharon
          and others will be leaving as well trust me

          11:52pmAaron
          you can quit the group on your own.

          don't let the door hit you all on the way out.

          11:52pmSharon
          i am complaining through email about this

          i refuse to allow you to be the internet god

          11:53pmAaron
          go right ahead

          complain till your face falls off.

          11:53pmSharon
          i personally like you and you know that

          but i feel this is wrong

          11:53pmAaron
          fuck if I care.

          quote me on it.

          Mark's bullshit is not welcome.

          11:54pmSharon
          i actually will complain and someone will care trust me

          11:54pmAaron
          he can start his own group for that sort of shit.

          Umm.. No they won't.

          I'm the creator of that group.

          the most they'll do is start their own group.

          which is fine with me.

          11:54pmSharon
          and you said all were welcome

          11:54pmAaron
          serves the same purpose.

          11:54pmSharon
          then that should mean all the good and the bad

          11:54pmAaron
          no.

          11:55pmSharon
          you allow art there and frankily his baby ass started a whole can of shit

          11:55pmAaron
          I'm not a babysitter and the group is not fornits forums.

          11:55pmSharon
          for years he destroyed any good

          11:55pmAaron
          where is art on my group?

          and what problems has he started?

          11:55pmSharon
          well then do not advertise as a fornit group then

          11:55pmAaron
          Art hasn't attacked me twice.

          11:55pmSharon
          omg art has a fake on there

          11:55pmAaron
          Mark has.

          so does mark

          mark has had several fakes.

          11:56pmSharon
          ok so someone attacks you, I think you are man enough to stand up to them, you are an amazing speaker

          so what he blows wind

          11:56pmAaron
          he can blow wind on his own group

          11:56pmSharon
          i guess I thought you stronger than this

          11:56pmAaron
          which he is free to start

          11:56pmSharon
          ok well then it should not advertise fornits then

          11:56pmAaron
          look lady, I started this group to serve as an informational conduit

          11:56pmSharon
          fornits is differently run

          11:56pmAaron
          I'll advertise it as whatever I want

          11:57pmSharon
          ok well i got a problem with it saying fornits then

          11:57pmAaron
          tough shit

          11:57pmSharon
          it should be aaron's world

          ok we will see

          11:57pmAaron
          do your wost.

          worst

          see just how much I care.

          11:57pmSharon
          i am gathering many compaints right now as we speak

          11:57pmAaron
          go for it.

          11:57pmSharon
          you are being highly irrational

          11:57pmAaron
          not really, I'm just not letting you push me around.

          11:57pmSharon
          aaron you are wrong this time

          i am not pushing you around i am speaking to you as an adult

          11:58pmAaron
          Umm.. noo.. I'm just not letting mark play his shithead little games on my group.

          Umm.. no you have threatened me with a bunch of hot air repeatedly.

          11:58pmSharon
          but it reflects on ginger and mike

          11:58pmAaron
          and they are free to do what they want.

          you don't get it do you?:

          It's a free interent.

          11:59pmSharon
          get what this group is a click

          11:59pmAaron
          don't like it... leave and do your own thing.

          11:59pmSharon
          not really a helpful tool

          11:59pmAaron
          not to mark's bullshit it isn't.

          11:59pmSharon
          i do not agree with mark at all but you are denying a survivor

          that is bottom line wrong

          12:00amAaron
          two things for you lady.

          1) I'm not a survivor

          2) I've never given a survivor anything more than any other person.

          12:00amSharon
          but you advocate in helping survivors

          12:00amAaron
          No

          I'm

          NOT

          I'm

          only

          concerned

          about

          kids

          in

          the

          programs

          I

          don't

          care

          abut

          survivors

          12:01amSharon
          ok well i am done speaking about this, I will go a different route

          12:01amAaron
          bye!

          12:01amSharon
          good bye aaron I got better things to do than to argue with an unresoanable person

          12:01amAaron
          thank god
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on April 27, 2011, 10:09:03 AM
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          fArt you are so ::fullofshit:: fella. I can name at least 6 different names you have used here in the last 10 plus years you stupid fuck. Did you think I would sit back and let you play your skipping record brain with this Mark this time?

          fArt is the only troll at fornits that uses multiple names, and he is lieing to you about not doing so. If you have any doubt, it is always fArt behind it all. :beat:

          Be careful  "Reporter" Farty is going to take you to court next month, :waaaa:  :rofl:  :rofl: , I hope you fend well for yourself, he is the Big Bad Fart. :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

          He claims to not use other names but who is,{liarsexposed}, Busted again Farty.

          The "Reporter" and their Staff and me will always hand Art his Ass,
          It is so easy and so much fun,Torn people apart, that has "Sharon's" name written all over it.She doesn't like you Art because of how you treated her here and in the past.
          How you have stalked and abused her and tried to defame her in public.
          She remembers how you screwed up her benefit for her son Mason. Yes Art to many of your emotions came out in those post's. And I told you what I drive, and were I live ,so has Sammy, so who cares.

          Yes Art you know all of that but hide in the shadows.I came to the junk yard to buy a part for my Jeep, Rt.12  yard was the only one in the area that had one.And I had a shop install it too.So no you weren't stalked stupid, just happened to be the only Ass-Hole with that regulator.I know it bothers you that I was only 5 feet away and you had no clue.That is the big difference between  you and me Art. I know what I am dealing with and who. you don't.

          The first thing my buddy said when we got in my truck was does that guy know anything about you,?? I laugh and said not really.He said that Art should lay low and play with his own toys in the back.
          Art is one of many big mouths I have confronted and they didn't even know I was there. If Art knew my past he would act differently, but who cares, he is fun to just watch.I am the guy Art,, who ran threw the streets of Poland Springs yelling my name and Elan Suck's. Hoping I could pick up a tail or some confrontation,Yes Art I drove 1200 miles and 19 hours to look for a fight.And you don't get any heavier than Terry and the Race Track Crew. But you know what Art,??  the Boys in the black cars and long coats dont put fear in me ether.

          Please don't stop Art ,you are allot of fun and entertainment, and stop by any time you want, I wont call any Cop's I will promise you that,I wont even call an Ambulance.I am sure you will fit into the back of any car or truck you bring. You don't mind long term parking do you,?? Do you prefer O'hare or Mitchell Field,?? Gary is a bit far.But Midway is an option, I have friends I could visit with on Cicero Ave.... :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :lala:  :lala:  :lala:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on April 27, 2011, 01:54:32 PM
          You are such a bad liar Mark
          you and Sharon have an aversion to the truth. I didnt do any of those things and you know it.
          You snd Sharon created 6 websites with me as your topic... What do you call that ?
          You've been to my home,place of business,and all over the internet Stalking me
          Now YOU are the definition of Stalker.. I am the victim. I emplore you to file charges

          you are simply caught.. Do your self a favor.. Stop with the threats and other bs that have no meaning
          You are a COWARD. You started this mess,and you have been lying to cover up your responsibility for over 2 years
          You are a funny fucker.. I'll give you that,but no longer very threatening
          You are mentally ill
          I and most others feel sorry for you
          You havent a life outside of your illness
          I am very sorry for this
          But its not my fault Marky
          See a therapist or something
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on April 27, 2011, 02:00:39 PM
          :moon:  :moon: fArt's :moon:  :moon:  like a revolving door, this will be court threat #8 I think. :rocker:  :rocker:  I know I am the reason fArt has smashed at least 2 computers in the past and a monitor or three, because I handed him his ass :roflmao:  :roflmao:  fArt just cant verbally defend himself, he really makes a lousy troll if you ask me ;D  :smashcomp:

          I think fArt has not one friend here at fornits, except for his other screen names which he uses to agree with himself and attack you Mark, and I. :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: I find it quite amusing how fArt claims he only used one name at this forum, yet I can think of 5 or 6 he used in the past and about 9 or 10 he is using now to attack you Mark. He's a loser!! He has no friends, no life, and certainly no sex life, except that which he does with homeless people  ::OMG::

          He calls us cock suckers, but it is he himself who does all the cock sucking with homeless people and dogs. ::puke::   :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  fell free to suck as many dicks as you can insert into your fat mouth :moon: , thats all your mouth seems useless for anyways :moon: . Cause everytime you open it up here, the stink of another homeless mans cock litters the air of rotten oral sex.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

           :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  You have just been handed to your ass fella!!!

           :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

           :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: fArt :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on April 27, 2011, 02:48:12 PM
          You have only furthered the opinion,that like Mark and Sharon
          You are another sick puppy
          This is not news... You have been doing the same thing,over and over,expecting some different results
          this behavior is defined as Insane
          but I just finished laughing at you with 2 people who emailed me,stating the obvious
          You 3 need some help
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on April 27, 2011, 03:24:17 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          You have only furthered the opinion,that like Mark and Sharon
          You are another sick puppy
          This is not news... You have been doing the same thing,over and over,expecting some different results
          this behavior is defined as Insane
          but I just finished laughing at you with 2 people who emailed me,stating the obvious
          You 3 need some help


          Oh Art would you stop,,!!! :beat:  :beat:  Why does the "Reporter" upset you so much,,???  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp: , They are just voicing feeling here and trying to help others, and you find that so reprehensible,,Why ????

          Is it because The "Reporters Staff " does not contribute to abuses of others,???
          Is it because The Staff always hands you your Ass,,??
          Is it because The "Reporter" is smarter then you Art,,???
          Is it because The "Reporter" is better looking than you Art,,??
          Is it because The "Reporter " makes fun of you and your ways,,??
          Is it because you secretly love The "Reporter" and wish you were them,,??
          Is it because The "Reporter" own's you and controls your motivations and post's,,??

          Yes that "Reporter" has quite a grip on your small useless brain Art,, and good for them, if you would not have upset and stalked the "Reporter" they wouldn't have any problem with you,outside of all your admitted abuses to kids and others.The "Reporter" and their Staff have been very charming and nice to me and anyone else I know.

          It just must be you Art,,???   :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  And yes the Dr's told me years ago I was nut's,, how about you,,?? :beat:  :beat:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on April 27, 2011, 04:39:13 PM
          You,Sharon,Reporter
          3 stooges
          Cowardice
          Vile
          child like
          The only thing you have handed out.. Is the proof of how sick you are
          Nothing more
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 27, 2011, 04:59:38 PM
          Marky you lost once again you still cant figure out shit
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 27, 2011, 05:00:40 PM
          still no comment on the fake profile pic marky what the problem? PUSSY
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on April 28, 2011, 02:24:34 PM
          Image a class action civil suit agaist  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          Forniters unite, to put  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  out of his misery  ::OMG::  ::OMG::

          Internet pedophile fArt must be held accountable :rocker:  :rocker:  :deal:


          Have a nice day  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:

           :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on April 28, 2011, 04:52:51 PM
          Please sue me
          Cant wait to present you as the trash talking little man who has been assualting me for a decade
          You seem to know alot about Anal Sex practices, with children and animals. That should go over well in court
          or better yet
          Suit up,shut up,and show up,and I everyone that reads your daily drivel wont think of you as the COWARD you obviously are!
          please elaborate some more.. Show all of fornits that you are just a sick fuk from Elan,like the other 2
          Mark has the address for me
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on April 28, 2011, 08:33:19 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Please sue me
          Cant wait to present you as the trash talking little man who has been assualting me for a decade
          You seem to know alot about Anal Sex practices, with children and animals. That should go over well in court
          or better yet
          Suit up,shut up,and show up,and I everyone that reads your daily drivel wont think of you as the COWARD you obviously are!
          please elaborate some more.. Show all of fornits that you are just a sick fuk from Elan,like the other 2
          Mark has the address for me


           ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG:: The "Reporter' is going to own your Ass in court "Fartshitski' I know I have copied years of your stalking and titrates, and you have stolen people privacy, Your going down "Fartshitski" I have never seen the "Reporter" and their Staff so upset.They are good kind folks and look what you have done again Farty.
           :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :moon:  :moon:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs: You are going to Jail were Pedophile's Belong. Sharon will step forward to testify, along with all the others you have abused here on Fornits. :beat:  :beat:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:

          The "Reporter" Owns your Farty.,,,, :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on April 28, 2011, 08:38:24 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Please sue me
          Cant wait to present you as the trash talking little man who has been assualting me for a decade
          You seem to know alot about Anal Sex practices, with children and animals. That should go over well in court
          or better yet
          Suit up,shut up,and show up,and I everyone that reads your daily drivel wont think of you as the COWARD you obviously are!
          please elaborate some more.. Show all of fornits that you are just a sick fuk from Elan,like the other 2
          Mark has the address for me




          Paul St. John wrote:
          liarsexposed wrote:
          You know Paul
          From your perspective, perhaps thats the logical conclusion. But you have been here what.. 4-5 times in 2 years ?
          The amount of harrassment,online,in my neighborhood,at my place of work is only scratching the surface as to what the 2 people you speak about, are respopnsible for.


          I've been here a bit more then that, but whatever. If you are being harassed at your place of work, and home, I recommend getting evidence of that through witnesses or a video, etc., and then dealing with it through the police.


          In fact,you havent a clue as to who I am. For all I know you could be another Babitz Screen name. He/They are quite famous for that kind of thing.


          No.. I know your style of writing Art. It is very distinct. I knew it the first time I saw it under " liars exposed."


          I do not come here to pick fights,but I will defend myself if needed.. and I dont/wont fight fair.. as the resident liars have seen
          I tell the truth.


          You do come here to pick fights. In fact, taht is the only reason you come here. You feel that you need to get some kinda vengeance or set things right and in the midst of it, you have lostr sight of everything else.

          Always have,always will. That kind of thing makes these little girls nuts.
          Ask them why there is 159 pages of bullshit under an assumed name,linked to my picture.. Thats just in one thread
          Wanna know something about me.. ask
          Wanna talk out the side of your neck.. You get the same response as any ignorant person would get.. Especially here
          Go fuck yourself


          Because you don t have enough enemies already. Art, this will be my last response to you. I am gonna be simple with you, Art.. You have a bad attitude. I wrote about how Fornits is a good thing.. you tell me that I am wrong.. that no good comes out of it. Something good happens, and you just go right on attacking everybody. People get what they seek. You like war. You are blinded by rage, and are similar too Danny, but with a better wit. Either way, peace..

          Paul

          For a site that has nothing but bad about it, you sure spend a lot of time here. In my opinion, you do nothing but make yourself look bad, and if I were you, I would focus on something else for awhile, and stop blaming everyone else, for your misery.

          ( I got pretty personal this time, and I barely scratched the surface of what I could say, Art, and all with no negative intentions, but then you didn t have to tell me to go fuck myself, and just so you know, you could say whatever you like, it ain t gonna bother me, anymore, then the words of a raving drunk)




          Paul you have said it all,,,      He just wont let go of his past and the people that don't like him. He is passionate inside for Sharon and look how he talks to her.He can't handle her liking and getting along with other Male's, Now thats fucked up, He admits giving drugs to her when she was young and doing inappropriate things, and still haunt her family.

          Art needs to thank God, Sharon is not my Sister or one of my Family members, He would have been gone along time ago, No yelling to "Bubby" just gone.In jail or something,,??          

          Go smash your computer Art, "The Reporter Own's You"            

               Go have another one you drunk.                        


          I await your, :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  Art, show us how smart you can be.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on April 29, 2011, 08:13:44 AM
          So lemme get this straight
          I am spoda be hurted cuz all 3 of you mental midgets dont like me ?
          A whole 3 people ? Emotional cripples from Fornits ? Those who use verbage as a weapon ( a very dull one)?
          Wow I dunno if I'll even make it thru the day
          LOL
          Seek help girls
          Thanks for your concern..But Im doing just fine.
          All talk all bs All the time
          Put up or shut up.. Sue me please !
          I live in the real world girls.. Take your meds,see your shrink,and try not to shit yourself today
          I say pursue this imaginary legal action. I truly cant wait
          You should trade in your Troll costume, for a couple schoolgirl uniforms !
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on April 29, 2011, 08:23:20 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          So lemme get this straight
          I am spoda be hurted cuz all 3 of you mental midgets dont like me ?
          A whole 3 people ? Emotional cripples from Fornits ? Those who use verbage as a weapon ( a very dull one)?
          Wow I dunno if I'll even make it thru the day
          LOL
          Seek help girls
          Thanks for your concern..But Im doing just fine.
          All talk all bs All the time
          Put up or shut up.. Sue me please !
          I live in the real world girls.. Take your meds,see your shrink,and try not to shit yourself today
          I say pursue this imaginary legal action. I truly cant wait
          You should trade in your Troll costume, for a couple schoolgirl uniforms !


          Aren't you the property of the "Reporter" Bitch,??, Don't make them hand you your ass again, they are already mad at you for your theft's and abuses of others.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on April 29, 2011, 10:42:52 AM
          And to think after all these years that have gone by when Marty first shoved is entire fist up fArts ass and reached for his vocal cords and made fArt speak.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          fArt did not like that at all because fArt wanted to be the one who shoved his fist up some teens ass and make him/her speak, but that all back fired when the defiant teen slapped fArt in the face. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          So fArt seeks refuge at websites and tries to control people by spewing and expressing hate towards everyone, except the same exact thing is happeneing when he was a staff member at elan. :jamin:  :jamin:

          You're gonna have to live your life as a hermit fella. Everyone will always stand up to you and kncok your fat matzoh, vodka drinking drunk ass down, stomp a mud hole in you then walk you dry.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          So you think you can lure underage girls to motel rooms with promises of drugs and alcohol  :rasta: Oh no :(  One day one of those girls fathers will find you and beat you so bad that you'll be sipping your vodka through a straw for the rest of your life you over weight drunk pig. :fuckoff:

          You are weak fArt and never amounted to anything except a pedophile. :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  Go suck a dick  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 29, 2011, 11:08:10 AM
          Art can I pee in your mouth?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 29, 2011, 11:14:50 AM
          Art did you sink your boat yet?   :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on April 29, 2011, 03:07:51 PM
          If you ever happen to visit Wonder lake and see a heavy man in a little row boat that looks like it is about to sink, that's fArt!! :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          fArt's glorified row boat does most likely smell like pee as he goes to the bathroom in it quite a bit because he spends alot of times in it just off the lakes shore line spying on people with binoculars.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  ::OMG:: mainly looking at young girls and teen boys too!! ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG:: If you are ever on the little beach line edge of the lake and see him in his row boat and the row boat rocking back and forth, chances are he is playing with himself while peeping through the binoculars fixated on a teen subject.  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke:: Sometimes he will bring a dog with him and perform anal sex with the said animal while fantasizing he is boning Kruglik.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          fArt loves to twist life experiences around and pretend that he was never sodomized by Kruglik and that he sodomized him instead.  :roflmao:  :whip: And also likes to tell people online that his row boat is some expensive yatch  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  Truth is  :moon:  :moon: fArt warshitsky :moon:  :moon: is just a common man living slightly above the poverty line and lives in a 900 ft sq ft home that is in need of a big make over :beat:  

          Getting back to  :moon:  :moon: fArts :moon:  :moon:  row boat, he has taken some homeless people out on it and will then brag online that he took friends out on his yatch  :roflmao:  :roflmao: in a lame attempt to try and make himself feel better about himself and pretend he has some kind of social status in wonder lake.  :bs:  :bs:  :bs: But I'm sure the surrounding neighbors that live near  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon: loathe him and despise this pedophile to the max :poison:  :poison:

          It is said that  :moon:  :moon: fArts :moon:  :moon:  breath always smells like PEE!! ::puke:: This is because  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon: pay's homeless winos with liquor to pee in his mouth while out on the lake in his row boat ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::

          If you need anymore true FAQ's about  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  just ask!!

          Here's to you  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: fArt :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on April 29, 2011, 08:43:30 PM
          I warned you Farty the "Reporter" Would bring havoc on you again and repeatedly had you your ass. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  real quiet you Pedophile and Abuser. {Art Warshawski, Is A Pedophile} :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 29, 2011, 09:46:36 PM
          Art us full of hate.  He will be full of hate til' the day he dies.   :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:   ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::   :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on April 29, 2011, 10:49:25 PM
          :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:   has been very confused since his elan days. Kruglik convinced fArt that fArt's asshole was a back pussy "not just an asshole" and thus allowed Marty to sodomize him on many occasions.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

           :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon: could of stood up and told Marty that his asshole was for shitting only, but his mind was too far gone at that point in time.  :heartbreak: Now fArt roams Wonder lake and the internet treating everyone that comes in his path like the enemy. But more so often on the internet, cause  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  avoids getting black eyes by being an asshole on the internet. :ftard:  The man is twisted and a legend in his own mind. :seg2:  He eats fecal matter that he grills on his cheap grill, wacks off to pictures of his mother while sniffing her panties  :roflmao:  and sodomizes his dog the way Kruglik sodomized him :moon:

          A straight jacket would look really good on  :moon:  :moon: fArty :moon:  :moon:  as it would keep minors safe from evil hands.  :roflmao:

          I'm sure  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  will respond to this and the other posts with his usuall  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla: but in the mean time  :twofinger:  :twofinger: fArty :twofinger:  :twofinger:

           :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

           :suicide:  is the only way out  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:

           :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: fArt :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 30, 2011, 02:31:10 AM
          Fart has been listening to is 14 year old aunt talk about she want bling.  What does a man need to wear women's jewelry for?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 30, 2011, 06:29:25 AM
          Fart fuck you.  Go suck a dick!   :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG:: ::OMG::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on April 30, 2011, 06:34:31 AM
          Very nice
          Showing off you're literary skills again girls ?
          The sheer amount of bile and hate,kinda labels you little people as deranged.
          YOU are what Elan "put out"
          Perhaps their finest product
          Well.. that was educational.. But I am going back to life.
          I only stopped in to readd the rantings of a couple maniacs
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 30, 2011, 06:36:30 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Very nice
          Showing off you're literary skills again girls ?
          The sheer amount of bile and hate,kinda labels you little people as deranged.
          YOU are what Elan "put out"
          Perhaps their finest product
          Well.. that was educational.. But I am going back to life.
          I only stopped in to readd the rantings of a couple maniacs

          Speak only when spoken to ART.   :twofinger:  :twofinger:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on April 30, 2011, 06:52:42 AM
          What I enjoy the most out of this is watching you girls.. So full of hate
          Make complete asses of yourselves
          Which is a daily occurance
          Making up phoney screen names
          Twisting in the wind
          Spinning like a top
          Its you.. Its really you
          Have fun girls!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 30, 2011, 06:57:19 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          What I enjoy the most out of this is watching you girls.. So full of hate
          Make complete asses of yourselves
          Which is a daily occurance
          Making up phoney screen names
          Twisting in the wind
          Spinning like a top
          Its you.. Its really you
          Have fun girls!

          Art that's it, we need to settle this in court.   You have slandered me for years and harassed me at work.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on April 30, 2011, 08:01:51 AM
          I agree
          Pony up a couple thousand bucks for an attorney
          Another 75.00 to have me served
          Take your best shot kid!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 30, 2011, 08:42:03 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          I agree
          Pony up a couple thousand bucks for an attorney
          Another 75.00 to have me served
          Take your best shot kid!

          You will only have $75.00 when I'm done with you. :rocker:  :rocker:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :rasta:  :rasta:  ::OMG::  ::OMG::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on April 30, 2011, 09:32:32 AM
          Wow farty you gotten the whole "Reporters" Staff on your fat ass now,, I was telling Matt the other day on the phone about what a true animal you are. He is just amazed how right I am. As for as The "Reporter" well you latched on to a court case Farty, and they are taking you down.

          Don't  you wish you had a few thousand to fight back Farty,?? :deal:  :deal:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:

          The "Reporter" just reaches into petty cash,or sends out a request for everyone to give ten dollars.I think they said it took two hours to raise $3000.00,, :jawdrop:  ::OMG::  ::OMG:: Thats 300x10 = 3000,, :jawdrop:  :cheers:  :jawdrop:  You are well liked without a doubt Farty.

          See you in court  Art you Pedophile. :beat:  :beat:  :rofl:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on April 30, 2011, 10:22:41 AM
          Awwee Marky
          Am sorry I made you cry
          I know you are a little man,but crying in puclic Marky
          Have you no pride ?
          Coward
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 30, 2011, 10:41:26 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Awwee Marky
          Am sorry I made you cry
          I know you are a little man,but crying in puclic Marky
          Have you no pride ?
          Coward

          Fart how many pan cakes can you eat?  lol.  I'm thinking about 50.  Suck a dick!   :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 30, 2011, 03:55:53 PM
          mark trying to sue again lmao.... dumb fuck he should know by now that his false civil cases have just gotten him in trouble try again you dumb fuck... by the way marky your truck will be reposed as soon as the paperwork is through insurance fraud is highly illegal sue your girlfriends insurance company for a couple grand....your unemployed and applying for disability and social security for your back? stay outta your yard doing hard work and i wont take pics anymore to show the goverment and judges what your doing mark... cant work because your back but you can go out and lift lumber into your truck? really??? you can mow the lawn too?? your poor back is poor yet.... it may take some time but i will drag you down mother fucker!!!! you will lose everything u have including your family.... because we all know that your daughter isnt gunna come visit you in prision... Heather will probably laugh and clap everytime you get anal pounded
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 30, 2011, 03:59:01 PM
          everyday i dig up at least a couple years of shit about u markey... nothing has seized to amaze me yet... you are fucked up mark.... fuck your daughter again you sick fuck!!!! go touch your little pouch morgan again... or how bout drugging kim again.... any of this ringing a bell good luck mother fucker
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 30, 2011, 04:08:13 PM
          mark drives a 6.0l powerstroke maroon in color... lives in wonderlake as you all know... he also has a 2wd f150 blue in color... you might also find him in his girlfriends jeep liberty silver in color... both babitz trucks have wisconsin plates.... as well as mark does not have a illionis address regardless of fox lake address.... his drivers license is only for wisconsin... why are you living under a rock marky???? something to hide... if anyone needs a address to his wisconsin residence just let me know.... mark is unemployed and had just won his 5th insurance fraud battle.... do to a tacnicallity... they werent supposed to relese health information to the insurance company without his concent or else he wouldnt of got 40,000$ i have been digging up mark for way longer than this last insurance battle and have got recordings,camera, and even some writing that he had "fucked" the insurance company again.... Your falling fast marky your falling fast... if anyone wants more real, true, or exiting facts about marky just let me know i would love to let the world know what i know about babitz.... and one day soon we will all laugh when he is behind bars and has nothing once again lmao!!!!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on April 30, 2011, 05:58:58 PM
          Marky has a fan club
          If I didnt know any better,Id say that writing style/spelling looks very familiar
          Marky likes it in jail
          He doesnt have to hide his homo-erotic fantasies there
          I bet Marky has to shit over a bathtub due the expanded size of his asshole
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Che Gookin on May 01, 2011, 01:48:27 AM
          160 pages of this shit? Surely yall must be in contention for breaking or making a record of sorts?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 01, 2011, 03:53:13 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Marky has a fan club
          If I didnt know any better,Id say that writing style/spelling looks very familiar
          Marky likes it in jail
          He doesnt have to hide his homo-erotic fantasies there
          I bet Marky has to shit over a bathtub due the expanded size of his asshole

          You got a $100 assessment fee for impertance.  I got enough evidence to bust you son and you will get a perjury charge.   :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 01, 2011, 06:04:13 AM
          Quote from: "Che Gookin"
          160 pages of this shit? Surely yall must be in contention for breaking or making a record of sorts?

          Yes I believe thats what these 2-3 idiots are doing. Breaking a world record for constant insanity. Pretty sure they have won already tho.
          When you are an un-employed loser.. This is all you can do. Whine about the big bad art
          I am ALL Powerful
          Well its time to fish
          Hope you feel better tomorrow Marky
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 01, 2011, 06:54:29 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "Che Gookin"
          160 pages of this shit? Surely yall must be in contention for breaking or making a record of sorts?

          Yes I believe thats what these 2-3 idiots are doing. Breaking a world record for constant insanity. Pretty sure they have won already tho.
          When you are an un-employed loser.. This is all you can do. Whine about the big bad art
          I am ALL Powerful
          Well its time to fish


          Hope you feel better tomorrow Marky

          You are one of those losers also Art.   :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 01, 2011, 06:59:25 AM
          Quote
          Re: Wayne Kernochan

          Postby none-ya » less than a minute ago
          I know this should go over like a fart in church,but.....

          Elan is closed.
          You people have been away from there for many a year now.
          And yet you all piss and moan,insult and threaten each other every day here on fornits.

          How's about
          STFU
          [/i]
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on May 01, 2011, 07:02:52 AM
          Funny  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  and predictable fella. You log in with different screen names to harrass Mark, yet your stupid ass can't spell worth shit under all the names you use. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          You show signs of mental illness  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon: (only crazy people talk to themselves and agree with themselves over a forum board). :flip:  "puclic, tachnacality" :rasta:  :rasta:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: Looks like a drunk was trying to spell. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: or just a stupid fat man :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  I'm sure you spend alot of time talking to yourself in the mirror (at least the parts of you that would fit in the mirrors reflection.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

           :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  sure does have alot of fat parts to contend with and probably needs a panaramic sized mirror to see all of himself.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  I wonder how much vodka  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  pissed out in the phone booth last night :rasta:  :rasta:  Are you still drunk from last night fArty :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta: Do you even know when to put the bottle down :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta: We all know that you have a hard time putting the dildos down  :roflmao: but between the booze and dildos I say there is a tie. :roflmao:

          I see that all your posts of recent are made out of jealousy  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon: . You seem to have a huge envy problem with Marks possessions :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: It's obvious you can only dream of owning what Mark owns and your jealousy in your posts are through the roof fella :jamin:  Might i suggest you  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  up some more and drown your sorrows you  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: shit eating pedophile.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          While your at it, suck another dick or three you freak!!!

           :twofinger:  :twofinger: Here's to you fArt :twofinger:  :twofinger:

          Now go grill up some fecal matter which you roll into sausages and grill em' up on your walmart grill, you fat fuck.  ::puke::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 01, 2011, 07:12:53 AM
          You are correct !
          I am responsible for defending myself against these vile creeps
          There used to be dozens of people that participated in discussions here. Many of which became good friends.
          But they all left this place as these creeps turned their focus on anyone the percieved as a threat.
          I did not leave,nor will I. I tell the truth regularly, and you can see what that has done to these emotional cripples.
          Unemployed,lowlife,losers spreading hate everywhere they go. If the  truth isnt harsh enough.. They just lie to make themselves feel better. Plenty of lies here.. but I havent told any of them
          The truth is VERY hard on these few
          I really dont know why the Admin here @ Fornits allow this to drag their site down.. but the elan section has been dragged down by these 2-3 people to the point where noone else will post here, unless they sign in anonymous,or are here to fuck with
          The Big Bad Art
          they are chidren acting out,and COWARDS! I am all for them making asses outa themselves. I think its freakin hysterical!
          Have a great Sunday!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 01, 2011, 07:16:53 AM
          You are one of those losers also Art.   :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:[/quote]
           
          Please identify a post where I speak of fecal matter.. Sex with animals.. Children.. Dildo's and their uses.. Anal sex
          Also please identify a post where I pretend to be someone else... Never happened in 10 years of being here
          I'll wait here
          in the middle of the lake
          Fish On!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on May 01, 2011, 07:20:42 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          You are correct !
          I am responsible for defending myself against these vile creeps
          There used to be dozens of people that participated in discussions here. Many of which became good friends.
          But they all left this place as these creeps turned their focus on anyone the percieved as a threat.
          I did not leave,nor will I. I tell the truth regularly, and you can see what that has done to these emotional cripples.
          Unemployed,lowlife,losers spreading hate everywhere they go. If the  truth isnt harsh enough.. They just lie to make themselves feel better. Plenty of lies here.. but I havent told any of them
          The truth is VERY hard on these few
          I really dont know why the Admin here @ Fornits allow this to drag their site down.. but the elan section has been dragged down by these 2-3 people to the point where noone else will post here, unless they sign in anonymous,or are here to fuck with
          The Big Bad Art
          they are chidren acting out,and COWARDS! I am all for them making asses outa themselves. I think its freakin hysterical!
          Have a great Sunday!

           :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  just because you use multiple names on this forum, doesn't make them your friends :roflmao:  :roflmao:  The only friends you ever had here was "You, yourself, and I " :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          You are delusional to think other wise!! Drag this site down  :rasta: REALLY :rasta: REALLY :rasta: . You had this site shut down you dumb fuck :ftard:  :ftard:  Lay off the booze fella :timeout:  :dose:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on May 01, 2011, 07:26:34 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          You are one of those losers also Art.   :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:

          Please identify a post where I speak of fecal matter.. Sex with animals.. Children.. Dildo's and their uses.. Anal sex
          Also please identify a post where I pretend to be someone else... Never happened in 10 years of being here
          I'll wait here
          in the middle of the lake
          Fish On![/quote]

          Oh no!! Not the middle of the lake in your row boat with binoculars ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::

          If there is any person/s that are currently on Wonder lake's shore line, RUN!! There is a pedophile out on the water in a row boat with binoculars who is pleasuring himself while watching you and your children. RUN NOW!! ::OMG::  ::OMG::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 01, 2011, 07:30:00 AM
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          You are one of those losers also Art.   :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:

          Please identify a post where I speak of fecal matter.. Sex with animals.. Children.. Dildo's and their uses.. Anal sex
          Also please identify a post where I pretend to be someone else... Never happened in 10 years of being here
          I'll wait here
          in the middle of the lake
          Fish On!

          Oh no!! Not the middle of the lake in your row boat with binoculars ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::

          If there is any person/s that are currently on Wonder lake's shore line, RUN!! There is a pedophile out on the water in a row boat with binoculars who is pleasuring himself while watching you and your children. RUN NOW!! ::OMG::  ::OMG::[/quote]

          Another turd I'm going to sue in court.  Get an attorney moron.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 01, 2011, 07:43:44 AM
          You had this site shut down you dumb fuck   Lay off the booze fella  
           
          Now thats the best lie yet
          Tell them Marky.. Tell them who stole from me,and posted my info here (and pictures)
          Dont be shy now Marky.. Tell them how you created 6 hate sites about The Big Bad Art ?
          Tell everyone what happened to those Hate sites ...
          I have an attorney. A couple of them
          Put up or shut up
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 01, 2011, 08:18:02 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          You had this site shut down you dumb fuck   Lay off the booze fella  
           
          Now thats the best lie yet
          Tell them Marky.. Tell them who stole from me,and posted my info here (and pictures)
          Dont be shy now Marky.. Tell them how you created 6 hate sites about The Big Bad Art ?
          Tell everyone what happened to those Hate sites ...
          I have an attorney. A couple of them


          Put up or shut up

          Fart you're a pussy like Mark and ER.  When are you guys going to meet and duke it out?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 01, 2011, 08:56:20 AM
          Fart you're a pussy like Mark and ER. When are you guys going to meet and duke it out?
           
          I will defend myself when I have to. Chasing a scumbag like Babletits isnt very high on my priority list.
          You must think I actually enjoy his bullshit
          The evidence continues to grow every day. Just the other day he threatened me right here in print..again
          Its been saved for that rainy day that will come.
          I have invited Marky to end this many times. Just the other day I extended the Olive Branch and ..well
          You see how that worked out
          Marky is obviously suffering. My best revenge, is knowing that every day,this asswipe suffers,as can be seen by his lunatic rantings every day
          Happy people dont do what he does. Miserable people cannot help themselves
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 01, 2011, 09:27:38 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Fart you're a pussy like Mark and ER. When are you guys going to meet and duke it out?
           
          I will defend myself when I have to. Chasing a scumbag like Babletits isnt very high on my priority list.
          You must think I actually enjoy his bullshit
          The evidence continues to grow every day. Just the other day he threatened me right here in print..again
          Its been saved for that rainy day that will come.
          I have invited Marky to end this many times. Just the other day I extended the Olive Branch and ..well
          You see how that worked out
          Marky is obviously suffering. My best revenge, is knowing that every day,this asswipe suffers,as can be seen by his lunatic rantings every day
          Happy people dont do what he does. Miserable people cannot help themselves

          The only evidence you have is outdated porn.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on May 01, 2011, 03:06:16 PM
          Funny how  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  likes to use lines from shows he watches on TV.

          Get a life loser!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 01, 2011, 07:13:16 PM
          Funny how the Reporter is always making reference to fecal matter,sex with men,and the propper way to use a sex toy on himself
          Looks like your life is very bright !
          LOL
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on May 01, 2011, 08:07:40 PM
          Quote from: "Che Gookin"
          160 pages of this shit? Surely yall must be in contention for breaking or making a record of sorts?

          Word's from the Chief Trainer Of Abuse's. Aaron Go Fuck Yourself,, :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 01, 2011, 08:23:06 PM
          Psst
          Hey Marky
          He's right.. why dont you STFU
          Havent you embarrassed yourself enough ?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 01, 2011, 09:09:45 PM
          Mark got arrested for pouring liquor and lotion on his neighbor's kitchen floor.   He said, "It was for my dead homies!"
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 01, 2011, 11:11:14 PM
          LOL how all three of you stooges [Liarsexposed, Elan Reporter and Mark Babitz ] think one of the other guys is the loser.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 01, 2011, 11:33:09 PM
          Mark what do you think about seeing a therapist?  It is okay to admit you have problems.  You can discuss your evil thoughts about Art smoking feces joints.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2011, 12:20:26 AM
          See if you can get them into couples counseling. All three of them could go if you do counseling with disfunctional polly couples who are stooges.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2011, 12:50:23 AM
          Mark fuck you.   :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 02, 2011, 08:06:26 AM
          Marky
          Take notes
          Call police
          when they arrive,wave a gun around
          when they get out of their cars,point the gun at them
          game over
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2011, 01:23:30 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Marky
          Take notes
          Call police
          when they arrive,wave a gun around
          when they get out of their cars,point the gun at them
          game over


          Mark do you understand why people think you need therapy?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2011, 02:51:45 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Marky
          Take notes
          Call police
          when they arrive,wave a gun around
          when they get out of their cars,point the gun at them
          game over

          Mark I will pay you $100 to point a gun at the police or choke on it.  Whatever works best for you.   :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on May 02, 2011, 05:06:14 PM
          Quote from: "fire arm"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Marky
          Take notes
          Call police
          when they arrive,wave a gun around
          when they get out of their cars,point the gun at them
          game over

          Mark I will pay you $100 to point a gun at the police or choke on it.  Whatever works best for you.   :rocker:  :rocker:

          Could you spare the $100.00 out of your Housing Check,And if you gave me a $100.00 to point a gun at myself, I know I would enjoy shooting you better, After all your the one hiding in the bushes not me, anything you could find out about me is public record so what. I own 3 trucks and {1 Corvette}, you missed that,, and my girlfriend drives a Jeep, Color of the f150 is Black not blue it's a 1995,with 98.000 mile's My Chevy P/U, is a 2003 Beige Ext Cab 4x4 with 58.000 miles and my F350 is a 2008 4 door 4x4 with 10.000 miles, and is Dark Red and Beige on the bottom.All of my vehicles are paid for so I am not worried about any "Repo Men". My  2007 30ft Pontoon Boat is also paid for,so is my  2500 sq ft vacation home in Wisconsin you already have the address.Both of the rental properties are paid off, and I owe about $80.000 on my $275.000 house,off the lake.My mortgage payment is $650.00 a month and my taxes are $250.00 a month and insurance, and you know I carry plenty of that is about $70.00 a month and I have all the coverages available.Total nut is $970.00 a month.++utilities and cell phone and cable maybe $450.00 a month.So whats that,,?? Wow :jawdrop: all of $1420.00 a month.  I take in $2200.00 a month from rentals with out even working, Subtract About $650.00 for taxes and insurance on both, and I take home, :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: $1550.00 a month clear on both.

          I will help you now, thats $1550.00 - $1420.00 = $130.00 profit after bills on all properties. Add in some Oil Stocks and some Gold Stocks and Marky is rocking along great. Do I cry broke,??? you bet, it keeps the mooches away.

          Am I rich,,?? No Way, but I dont struggle threw life or worry about what I will drive or eat, that is for sure and I never have. I can see why you would want to be me and I respect that.You have nothing and I have so much, I agree that can be painful and hard to except, definitely when you hate someone, I always found it easier to hate someone with less, "Ya Know",???

          They seemed weaker and less able to defend themselves, because they had nothing to stand on or to look down at me from.I knew I was better all the way around because I have accomplished more and held on to what I earned.They have squandered thing and are weak. So I could be condescending, Where an equal is more prepared and has some footing in life. So they don't just blow down,..

          I hope I was able to fill in any blanks you left out, Oh Great Troll :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2011, 05:15:24 PM
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "fire arm"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Mark Babbletits wrote:

          Could you spare the $100.00 out of your Housing Check,And if you gave me a $100.00 to point a gun at myself, I know I would enjoy shooting you better, After all your the one hiding in the bushes not me, anything you could find out about me is public record so what. I own 3 trucks and {1 Corvette}, you missed that,, and my girlfriend drives a Jeep, Color of the f150 is Black not blue it's a 1995,with 98.000 mile's My Chevy P/U, is a 2003 Beige Ext Cab 4x4 with 58.000 miles and my F350 is a 2008 4 door 4x4 with 10.000 miles, and is Dark Red and Beige on the bottom.All of my vehicles are paid for so I am not worried about any "Repo Men". My  2007 30ft Pontoon Boat is also paid for,so is my  2500 sq ft vacation home in Wisconsin you already have the address.Both of the rental properties are paid off, and I owe about $80.000 on my $275.000 house,off the lake.My mortgage payment is $650.00 a month and my taxes are $250.00 a month and insurance, and you know I carry plenty of that is about $70.00 a month and I have all the coverages available.Total nut is $970.00 a month.++utilities and cell phone and cable maybe $450.00 a month.So whats that,,?? Wow :jawdrop: all of $1420.00 a month.  I take in $2200.00 a month from rentals with out even working, Subtract About $650.00 for taxes and insurance on both, and I take home, :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: $1550.00 a month clear on both.

          I will help you now, thats $1550.00 - $1420.00 = $130.00 profit after bills on all properties. Add in some Oil Stocks and some Gold Stocks and Marky is rocking along great. Do I cry broke,??? you bet, it keeps the mooches away.

          Am I rich,,?? No Way, but I dont struggle threw life or worry about what I will drive or eat, that is for sure and I never have. I can see why you would want to be me and I respect that.You have nothing and I have so much, I agree that can be painful and hard to except, definitely when you hate someone, I always found it easier to hate someone with less, "Ya Know",???

          They seemed weaker and less able to defend themselves, because they had nothing to stand on or to look down at me from.I knew I was better all the way around because I have accomplished more and held on to what I earned.They have squandered thing and are weak. So I could be condescending, Where an equal is more prepared and has some footing in life. So they don't just blow down,..

          I hope I was able to fill in any blanks you left out, Oh Great Troll :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:


          Are you threatening me again?  This seems to be a habit for you.  You threatened me again  which is why your ass will  get sued.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on May 02, 2011, 05:28:43 PM
          Quote from: "your ass will  get sued"
          Quote from: "mark babitz"
          Quote from: "fire arm"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Mark Babbletits wrote:

          Could you spare the $100.00 out of your Housing Check,And if you gave me a $100.00 to point a gun at myself, I know I would enjoy shooting you better, After all your the one hiding in the bushes not me, anything you could find out about me is public record so what. I own 3 trucks and {1 Corvette}, you missed that,, and my girlfriend drives a Jeep, Color of the f150 is Black not blue it's a 1995,with 98.000 mile's My Chevy P/U, is a 2003 Beige Ext Cab 4x4 with 58.000 miles and my F350 is a 2008 4 door 4x4 with 10.000 miles, and is Dark Red and Beige on the bottom.All of my vehicles are paid for so I am not worried about any "Repo Men". My  2007 30ft Pontoon Boat is also paid for,so is my  2500 sq ft vacation home in Wisconsin you already have the address.Both of the rental properties are paid off, and I owe about $80.000 on my $275.000 house,off the lake.My mortgage payment is $650.00 a month and my taxes are $250.00 a month and insurance, and you know I carry plenty of that is about $70.00 a month and I have all the coverages available.Total nut is $970.00 a month.++utilities and cell phone and cable maybe $450.00 a month.So whats that,,?? Wow :jawdrop: all of $1420.00 a month.  I take in $2200.00 a month from rentals with out even working, Subtract About $650.00 for taxes and insurance on both, and I take home, :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: $1550.00 a month clear on both.

          I will help you now, thats $1550.00 - $1420.00 = $130.00 profit after bills on all properties. Add in some Oil Stocks and some Gold Stocks and Marky is rocking along great. Do I cry broke,??? you bet, it keeps the mooches away.

          Am I rich,,?? No Way, but I dont struggle threw life or worry about what I will drive or eat, that is for sure and I never have. I can see why you would want to be me and I respect that.You have nothing and I have so much, I agree that can be painful and hard to except, definitely when you hate someone, I always found it easier to hate someone with less, "Ya Know",???

          They seemed weaker and less able to defend themselves, because they had nothing to stand on or to look down at me from.I knew I was better all the way around because I have accomplished more and held on to what I earned.They have squandered thing and are weak. So I could be condescending, Where an equal is more prepared and has some footing in life. So they don't just blow down,..

          I hope I was able to fill in any blanks you left out, Oh Great Troll :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:


          Are you threatening me again?  This seems to be a habit for you.  You threatened me again  which is why your ass will  get sued.



          " stay outta your yard doing hard work and i wont take pics anymore to show the goverment and judges what your doing mark... cant work because your back but you can go out and lift lumber into your truck? really??? you can mow the lawn too?? your poor back is poor yet."


          " hahamarky » 25 Apr 2011, 04:41

          Now? i know mark? ive been digging you up for years man... i have known about all the abuse you have put your daughter through all the pain of the women you have caused using date rape pills and just plane old rape cause that is good once in a while too right fag bag??? From your poisionings to your choking out women, to your gay fanisies i have heard about from random men in your home town buddy.... you are one sick mother fucker and i will make you pay buddy keep your eyes open im closer than your "sneeky" ass thinks i am, i will continue to watch your every move...keep the blinds down and stay away from the doors...PUSSY ill catch you looking out on day at the wrong moment...one day soon"



          No Stupid those above are your threats,And yes those are threats. you are so funny,, :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  You hate your computer as much as me don't you,,???? :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :timeout:  :timeout:  :timeout:  :timeout:

          P.S. I am not drawing any Government Benefit"s,, nor plan to, but it would be nice, and I wish it was thats easy,, But it takes a bit more than a bad back to draw SSI.Now a Drug Habit, thats probably how you got on,. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2011, 05:35:44 PM
          I will pay for your therapy.  You really need mental help Mark because you are a sick man full of hate.  Babble tits I am saving all your threats and will hand your ass to you in court.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on May 02, 2011, 05:37:53 PM
          Quote from: "Babble tits"
          I will pay for your therapy.  You really need mental help Mark because you are a sick man full of hate.  Babble tits I am saving all your threats and will hand your ass to you in court.


          Well Ok,,!!!! :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:

          SORRY,,, :seg:  :seg:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :peace:  :peace:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :peace:  :peace:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :rose:  :rose:  :rose:  :rose:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 02, 2011, 06:30:10 PM
          will help you now, thats $1550.00 - $1420.00 = $130.00 profit after bills on all properties. Add in some Oil Stocks and some Gold Stocks and Marky is rocking along great. Do I cry broke,??? you bet, it keeps the mooches away.

          So we all understand you're deranged bragging
          you make 130.00 a month ?
          Thats not Rockin along Marky LOL
          Loser
          You get what you give.... and someone has you're number
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 02, 2011, 06:31:05 PM
          Unless you count all the money you earn sucking cock
          at a nickle a cock... you are still an unemployed liar cheater and thief
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2011, 06:41:15 PM
          Mark when was the last time you were slapped around?  Maybe that's the only way to straighten you out.  I think your therapist would agree.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2011, 07:00:44 PM
          Quote from: "Mr. Babble Slut"
          Mark when was the last time you were slapped around?  Maybe that's the only way to straighten you out.  I think your therapist would agree.

          I got off the phone with the police and Babble Tits therapist killed himself.  Mark drove him over the edge.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on May 02, 2011, 07:58:02 PM
          Quote from: "Mr. Babble Tits"
          Mark when was the last time you were slapped around?  Maybe that's the only way to straighten you out.  I think your therapist would agree.

          Your always welcome to try that approach, but then you would have to identify yourself and that would spoil all the fun. Out side of anything else happening,,??? :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa: You are so funny Fartshitski, what is this the 200th threat and trolling attempt,,???  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :cheers: Go get some more to drink. :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          You think I live on $130..00 a month, and thats good, then I have nothing to loose do I,?
          you stupid poor broken fuck. You hate people who have money don't you stupid.you can't stand to see the world pass you by and people like me flipping you off as I go by,don't you stupid.All you own is that used computer and that old table it's on. and thats your fault, and net worth.

          Your comments are all directed at money and how much I make or don't make, All I can figure is your  jealousness just eats you up. Calling me names and making fun of me is one thing but you always go to how much I have and make for a living,,??? Yep your on that I wish I was Mark thing. And I do understand, I am definitely someone your not, nor ever will be,, And Thats Successful.

          list all your achievements and worldly goods and lets compare,
          I can prove my belonging ,you already have, can you show all you have gotten in life, besides your ass handed to you by everyone. :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:

          I just called the Police,, :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: Go Fuck Yourself,,Art,, :beat:  :beat:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :poison:  :poison:  :cheers:  :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2011, 07:59:06 PM
          Could you spare the $100.00 out of your Housing Check,And if you gave me a $100.00 to point a gun at myself, I know I would enjoy shooting you better, After all your the one hiding in the bushes not me, anything you could find out about me is public record so what. I own 3 trucks and {1 Corvette}, you missed that,, and my girlfriend drives a Jeep, Color of the f150 is Black not blue it's a 1995,with 98.000 mile's My Chevy P/U, is a 2003 Beige Ext Cab 4x4 with 58.000 miles and my F350 is a 2008 4 door 4x4 with 10.000 miles, and is Dark Red and Beige on the bottom.All of my vehicles are paid for so I am not worried about any "Repo Men". My  2007 30ft Pontoon Boat is also paid for,so is my  2500 sq ft vacation home in Wisconsin you already have the address.Both of the rental properties are paid off, and I owe about $80.000 on my $275.000 house,off the lake.My mortgage payment is $650.00 a month and my taxes are $250.00 a month and insurance, and you know I carry plenty of that is about $70.00 a month and I have all the coverages available.Total nut is $970.00 a month.++utilities and cell phone and cable maybe $450.00 a month.So whats that,,?? Wow :jawdrop: all of $1420.00 a month.  I take in $2200.00 a month from rentals with out even working, Subtract About $650.00 for taxes and insurance on both, and I take home, :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: $1550.00 a month clear on both.

          I will help you now, thats $1550.00 - $1420.00 = $130.00 profit after bills on all properties. Add in some Oil Stocks and some Gold Stocks and Marky is rocking along great. Do I cry broke,??? you bet, it keeps the mooches away.

          Am I rich,,?? No Way, but I dont struggle threw life or worry about what I will drive or eat, that is for sure and I never have. I can see why you would want to be me and I respect that.You have nothing and I have so much, I agree that can be painful and hard to except, definitely when you hate someone, I always found it easier to hate someone with less, "Ya Know",???

          They seemed weaker and less able to defend themselves, because they had nothing to stand on or to look down at me from.I knew I was better all the way around because I have accomplished more and held on to what I earned.They have squandered thing and are weak. So I could be condescending, Where an equal is more prepared and has some footing in life. So they don't just blow down,..

          I hope I was able to fill in any blanks you left out, Oh Great Troll :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:[/quote]



          Number one mark you do not own a chevy pickup.. number two You have 0 properties in your name... weird... Your 32ft pontoon boat is a 28ft pontoon that is owned by the neighbors up at your wisconsin residence.... number three...2500 square foot on a tralior home....LMFAO are you fucking retarded.....marky im hiding in a bush???? why have you locked yourself in your house for the last 2 weeks with the blinds down and the doors locked???? im not hiding markey im just waiting
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2011, 08:02:18 PM
          Maybe a corvette does exisit... but i have yet to see mark in it....
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2011, 08:04:36 PM
          the corvette is titled in a name other than mark babitz....therefore thats another lie.....
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2011, 08:07:59 PM
          Mark you're going to STFU or I will sue you.  Your threats on fornits are good ammunition.  You better get a lawyer fat fuck.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2011, 08:16:00 PM
          Mark sucks dick at .05 per cock  He steals, cheats and lies.  >  Not lies
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on May 02, 2011, 08:17:18 PM
          Quote from: "corvette????"
          Maybe a corvette does exisit... but i have yet to see mark in it....

          Maybe you should knock on the door and ask to see it, or can't you leave the county,??

          And my neighbor up north doesn't own a boat, or any other stuff like that.You so smart.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on May 02, 2011, 08:20:17 PM
          Quote from: "sue you"
          Mark you're going to STFU or I will sue you.  Your threats on fornits are good ammunition.  You better get a lawyer fat fuck.

          OK,, :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :seg:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2011, 08:26:24 PM
          Ask to see it??? the corvette??? or the title that says that its not yours?????
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2011, 08:29:56 PM
          Quote from: "corvette"
          Ask to see it??? the corvette??? or the title that says that its not yours?????

          What ever you want to see when knock on the door, I know you are interested in seeing something you will never have. As well as meeting someone you can never be.I bet you still live at home, as a matter of fact I know you do. you probably want to be a trucker when you grow up. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2011, 08:36:17 PM
          trucker when i grow up....im about as grown up as it gets markey... travis??? i have spoken to him about you as well... in fact he has given me more info on you then what u would ever think..... look around mark the up north crew knows everything.... not just travis all of your closest friends are working together... anyother names for me lmfao i like travis.... hes a good kid and i will make sure that he knows you just released him on fornits... a minor at that... see you in court..
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2011, 08:39:37 PM
          Dial 1-800-mark-sucks-dicks    Mark will say, "Do you want me to cum in your mouth?"  He needs to be locked up in jail.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2011, 08:44:37 PM
          Hey markey, remember a few weeks ago when we met up at philips 66 and had some fun in your powerstoke? well i have a weird rash now please explain........
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2011, 08:45:53 PM
          Quote from: "telephone"
          Dial 1-800-mark-sucks-dicks    Mark will say, "Do you want me to cum in your mouth?"  He needs to be locked up in jail.

          Does your mother know your on an adult web site.??? Ask your mom for some cream she had the same rash.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2011, 08:49:02 PM
          Quote from: "truckertravis"
          trucker when i grow up....im about as grown up as it gets markey... travis??? i have spoken to him about you as well... in fact he has given me more info on you then what u would ever think..... look around mark the up north crew knows everything.... not just travis all of your closest friends are working together... anyother names for me lmfao i like travis....{{ hes }} a good kid and i will make sure that he knows you just released him on fornits... a minor at that... see you in court..

          {{ He Is }} You should have stayed in school.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 02, 2011, 08:50:07 PM
          Seriously Marky.. Jealous of you ?
          umm no sir. I have all that I need,and most of what I want. I dont need a big-bad Powerstroke Diesle,or a Corvette to make me feel more like a man. I am 10 x's the man you will ever be.(and I drive an old beatup Suburban)
          You have nothing that I am even remotely impressed by. You are a very sick man.
          Fornits has about 3-4 participants because of you. There used to be many,but they all left.. Gee Marky Mr Sockpuppet himself.. This crap went out in Jr High.. But not for you
          You are a sick,demented little man seeking attention is all
          If I were you,Id kill myself for sure. Your quality of life,I wouldnt wish on anyone..
          Maybe if you had a real penis.. You wouldnt need all these big trucks and hot cars
          BTW.. Ive heard the same stories from our pal Sammy. You are nothing but a leech.. Looking for your next 20.00 bill
          The idea that you have property and cars in others names,only furthers the idea of what a scumbag you are
          If you kill yourself today.. I will pledge 500.00 to the charity of your choice
          Today !
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2011, 08:52:20 PM
          she's out of the cream i figured i'd ask you, i'm sure you have a very large supply of it, also any other pills you might have for any other stds you might carry you syphilitic faggot. you are an imbred meth head shit hook, please go jump off a cliff and do everyone else in this forum a favor, and everyone else your sick fucking twisted ways have hurt and permanintly scared.  ::unhappy::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2011, 08:55:21 PM
          I will kill all of you!!!!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: mark babitz on May 02, 2011, 09:00:38 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Seriously Marky.. Jealous of you ?
          umm no sir. I have all that I need,and most of what I want. I dont need a big-bad Powerstroke Diesle,or a Corvette to make me feel more like a man. I am 10 x's the man you will ever be.(and I drive an old beatup Suburban)
          You have nothing that I am even remotely impressed by. You are a very sick man.
          Fornits has about 3-4 participants because of you. There used to be many,but they all left.. Gee Marky Mr Sockpuppet himself.. This crap went out in Jr High.. But not for you
          You are a sick,demented little man seeking attention is all
          If I were you,Id kill myself for sure. Your quality of life,I wouldnt wish on anyone..
          Maybe if you had a real penis.. You wouldnt need all these big trucks and hot cars
          BTW.. Ive heard the same stories from our pal Sammy. You are nothing but a leech.. Looking for your next 20.00 bill
          The idea that you have property and cars in others names,only furthers the idea of what a scumbag you are
          If you kill yourself today.. I will pledge 500.00 to the charity of your choice
          Today !

          I would take you up on the Art but I cant wait till next month for the $500.00.And your the one bring up what I have and as far as how things a registered, what the hell do you know about registrations and titling in business names etc, and corp.You have no idea what I have going on or what I do or don't do.Ask your buddy Sam why he moved from his house.I still live in mine. maybe that extra $20.00 kept me solvent.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2011, 09:03:00 PM
          Mark if you want to use my name just ask me and i will let you anytime. Just got a call from your favorite man of all to let me know that I have been drug into this on line as well.  All of these people know what your doing. I have sat back and only gave information to the people that asked, never once commented on this forum til now! I am helping a countless number of people to bring you to justice. You are way more than fucked up man! I would have never thought you could have caused so much misery to all these people. and some of it i didnt beileve until now. I will be on the stand with the rest of them to put you away mark. Becareful, now myself will be printing these out, many have already. Put my fucking name on here again mark its all just more evidence! See you in court BASTARD
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2011, 09:09:51 PM
          Mark  are you still drinking Drano?  Probably why your brains are so fucking scrambled.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2011, 09:10:46 PM
          Wow markey..... even another fucking name.... keep putting fuel on the fire dumbfuck.....put more bullets in the full gun.... your going to find out soon mark... jail is the only place for a man like you.... keep those blinds down.... dont let the world see your face markey.. they dont wanna see it anyway unless its behind bars....stay inside as much as possible that way the world wont be exposed to you for the few last days of being free....  Your a worthless Troll
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2011, 09:15:43 PM
          were you born a piece of shit or did you have to work at it? i bet the best side of you ran down the crack of your mommas ass and ended up as a brown stain on the matress, your such a fucking queer i bet you could suck a golf ball through a garden hose.. or suck start a 1960 harley, your the kind of guy who'd fuck a man in the ass and not even have the god damn common courtisy to give him a reach around. go kill yourself :) :birthday:  ::deadhorse::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2011, 09:16:04 PM
          were you born a piece of shit or did you have to work at it? i bet the best side of you ran down the crack of your mommas ass and ended up as a brown stain on the matress, your such a fucking queer i bet you could suck a golf ball through a garden hose.. or suck start a 1960 harley, your the kind of guy who'd fuck a man in the ass and not even have the god damn common courtisy to give him a reach around. go kill yourself :) :birthday:  ::deadhorse::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2011, 09:24:26 PM
          Mark Art makes more money that you.  Not good.  You could make allot more money than him sucking dick at $1.00 per cock.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2011, 09:46:46 PM
          Mark This is Travis You have my number, call me. Your man enough to use my name online, have the balls to pick up the phone and call me, but beward you will be recorded for quaility and training purposes. Be looking forward to your call COWARD
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2011, 09:55:04 PM
          Mark - Babble Tits -

          I gave you my telephone number so we could work things out.  You refused and started acting like a moron.  Well, Mark, go fuck yourself.  Go back to sucking dick for $1.00 per cock.   :rocker:  :rocker:   :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2011, 09:56:54 PM
          Quote from: "Travis Collins"
          Mark This is Travis You have my number, call me. Your man enough to use my name online, have the balls to pick up the phone and call me, but beward you will be recorded for quaility and training purposes. Be looking forward to your call COWARD

          Trolls aren't suppose to get caught stupid, record that..You also have mine.


          "I gave you my telephone number so we could work things out. You refused and started acting like a moron. Well, Mark, go fuck yourself. Go back to sucking dick for $1.00 per cock"

          I must have lost it, can you tell me again,?????
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2011, 10:07:32 PM
          I cant afford a phone
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2011, 10:10:28 PM
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          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2011, 10:13:54 PM
          Quote from: "markb"
          I cant afford a phone


          Then why make the offer,??? Think hard on that last statement. I know it's true, and time for you to go to bed. :timeout:  :timeout:  :timeout:  :timeout:  :timeout:  :timeout: ...
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2011, 10:31:07 PM
          Mark think hard??? lol why would you even write that????
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2011, 10:56:30 PM
          Quote from: "babbtits"
          Mark think hard??? lol why would you even write that????

          If I have to explain your already over your little head, Good Night. And take some Trolling lessons, and get over your tantrum. Your Buddy's still isn't welcome but you always are. :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2011, 11:20:09 PM
          Quote from: "The Truth Is Told"
          Quote from: "babbtits"
          Mark think hard??? lol why would you even write that????

          If I have to explain your already over your little head, Good Night. And take some Trolling lessons, and get over your tantrum. Your Buddy's still isn't welcome but you always are. :rocker:  :rocker:
          Sleep good buddy!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 03, 2011, 04:22:57 AM
          Mark do you like Art in that way?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 03, 2011, 09:10:50 AM
          Tsk Tsk Tsk Marky
          The Head Troll Trolled ?
          Poetic Justice is what that is pal..I see the truth,no matter where it comes from is very hard for you. Must be Elan's fault huh Marky ? Or the OP of your latest assault(s). Interestingly enough,its the same deal as you have with me Marky. You simply cannot tell the truth,even if your hair was on fire. Shame on you Marky!
          Instead of responding yourself,or as someone else.. Maybe you should get yourself some help
          Its possible(though not probable) that you could actually get better,and not have to live like this. But you will only do,what you know. Which is hate,bile,negativity.
          What a great life you must have !
          LOL
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 03, 2011, 11:50:35 AM
          Marky when are you going to talk about being "garystadler?"
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 03, 2011, 12:17:21 PM
          Quote from: "garystadler ..."
          Marky when are you going to talk about being "garystadler?"

          This is a good idea.  Who knows how many personalities Marky has developed over the years.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 03, 2011, 12:27:28 PM
          Marky doesnt want to talk about his alias Gary. You see,he took pictures off my fb page,after he "friended" me,pretending to be someone else. THEN,he used my picture to create a fb page as Gary Stadler. SHould Marky admit to his part in this,he would go to jail for Identity theft. I didnt realize that by having fb close the acct,I didnt have evidence to present.
          Marky just lucked out on that one!
          Where ya been Marky ? We know you dont have a job?
          Must be guy on guy internet porn keeping you from responding
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 03, 2011, 12:34:25 PM
          Speaking of internet porn, is Babbletitss still sucking dick at $1.00 per cock?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 03, 2011, 01:22:39 PM
          How many aliases does Marky have in this thread?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 03, 2011, 02:03:57 PM
          Quote from: "Marky"
          How many aliases does Marky have in this thread?

          I figured Marky would avoid this question.   :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 03, 2011, 02:34:28 PM
          poor Marky
          So many lies.. So many alias'... Caught ...again.. or still
          I feel sorry for the little man that he is
          Imagine being his age,and everyone around you hates you..
          No person trusts him. Everyone knows he's a liar,cheater and a thief
          A common criminal
          Its just a matter of time till he is at home (again) in Prison
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 03, 2011, 06:50:42 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          poor Marky
          So many lies.. So many alias'... Caught ...again.. or still
          I feel sorry for the little man that he is
          Imagine being his age,and everyone around you hates you..
          No person trusts him. Everyone knows he's a liar,cheater and a thief
          A common criminal
          Its just a matter of time till he is at home (again) in Prison

          Mark I agree with ART.  He is correct 9 out of 10 times when making assumptions about you.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2011, 04:10:14 AM
          Marky got his ass handed to him in this thread.   :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2011, 09:51:24 AM
          Newsflash :  Marky was arrested for terroristic threats in an official proceeding.  We will keep you updated.  :on phone:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 04, 2011, 07:05:05 PM
          Pretty sure Marky got his feelings hurted
          As I have said from day 1.. I truly feel sorry for you Mark
          Maybe you should take this opportunity to shut up..or go away.. or grow up
          Or perhaps get some help. Pretty obvious how emotionally disturbed you are
          I am done playing this game with you
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Che Gookin on May 05, 2011, 08:16:58 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          SHould Marky admit to his part in this,he would go to jail for Identity theft.


          Lol, bullshit.. that's a limpdick claim even for you fattytits.


          I'm no fan of Mark, I'm no fan of Sharon, I'm no fan of Art, BUT.. in all honesty right from the bowels of my blackened soul I'll be perfectly truthful when I say that the three of these clowns have kept me amused for the last 165 pages of nothing but a total trainwreck of a thread.

          Don't spin my words Art. Don't you even dare try, because simply put you are nothing more than a massive failure as a troll. You don't have the skills to troll. You are as transparent as a piece of glass.

          You ain't fooling anyone fattytits.

          You see fattytits, I'm almost certain you are out pretending to be mark as often as mark is pretending not to be mark. Which makes me laugh my ass off because you two are virtually buttfucking each other while either pretending to be the other person or faking your own supporters.

          And Mark, you are still a no talent washed up old drunk who can barely use google.

          And Sharon is nothing  but a washed up old bitch who probably gives blowjobs for foodstamps to support her 19 children.

          All three of you ought to shut the fuck up and stop embarrassing yourselves.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 05, 2011, 09:15:39 AM
          Che
          There was a time I thought you were a pretty smart guy. I guess I was wrong.
          I stand by my original statements....
          In the 2 years plus that these 2 morons have been harrassing me,I have never (EVER),had a ficticious screen name. Never posted as someone else,and always told the truth.
          Now you can believe me,not believe me.. I really dont give a fuck either way
          But this is ALL Mark and Sharon
          Always has been
          I give permission for the moderator or whatever they call themselves these days to verify this info.
          I have ZERO reason to lie
          The truth is MUCH Stranger than the fiction that anyone could EVER make up
          These 2 have systematically removed every good person that ever posted in this shithole from Elan,due to their constant attacks,and lie after lie every day.
          You've been around a long time,and probably remember that there were dozens of people that USED to post here. Why do you think they have left ?
          Get smarter Che.. Its you that is embarrassing yourself,by your own statements
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2011, 04:26:02 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Che
          There was a time I thought you were a pretty smart guy. I guess I was wrong.
          I stand by my original statements....
          In the 2 years plus that these 2 morons have been harrassing me,I have never (EVER),had a ficticious screen name. Never posted as someone else,and always told the truth.
          Now you can believe me,not believe me.. I really dont give a fuck either way
          But this is ALL Mark and Sharon
          Always has been
          I give permission for the moderator or whatever they call themselves these days to verify this info.
          I have ZERO reason to lie
          The truth is MUCH Stranger than the fiction that anyone could EVER make up
          These 2 have systematically removed every good person that ever posted in this shithole from Elan,due to their constant attacks,and lie after lie every day.
          You've been around a long time,and probably remember that there were dozens of people that USED to post here. Why do you think they have left ?
          Get smarter Che.. Its you that is embarrassing yourself,by your own statements


          In the 2 years plus that these 2 morons have been harrassing me,I have never (EVER),had a ficticious screen name. Never posted as someone else,and always told the truth.

          - You have used MANY fake names trying to troll Mark.  You claiming "I have never (EVER) had a ficticious screen name" is a lie.
          - You claim "always told the truth"  lol .....  Everyone lies on fornits  

          Now you can believe me,not believe me.. I really dont give a fuck either way

          -  Nobody believes you.....  Never will.....  


          I give permission for the moderator or whatever they call themselves these days to verify this info.

          -  Like they care

           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 05, 2011, 05:46:18 PM
          gee
          I wonder which of the 4 people who post here this is
          I know YOU lie here.. but I dont need to Sharon/Marky
          I have never had an alias on fornits beyond my current screen name. Never needed one
          I tell the truth girls
          We all know thats a concept you 2 cannot grasp
          I have better things to do than to "troll" anyone
          but thanks for the laughs
          I bet you are used to that by now
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2011, 06:23:40 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          gee
          I wonder which of the 4 people who post here this is
          I know YOU lie here.. but I dont need to Sharon/Marky
          I have never had an alias on fornits beyond my current screen name. Never needed one
          I tell the truth girls
          We all know thats a concept you 2 cannot grasp
          I have better things to do than to "troll" anyone
          but thanks for the laughs
          I bet you are used to that by now

          You claim "I have better things to do that troll anyon."  Why do you keep sending us animal porn?  You are a very sick person.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 05, 2011, 06:27:24 PM
          Now thats a great lie
          Keep em comin Sharon
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 05, 2011, 06:29:59 PM
          I think I get why you dont sign your real name.. You post some nasty shit
          But why even continue
          You and I (and everyone in your miserable lives) knows who and what you are
          why would you think you were anonymous ?
          LOL
          I'll be laughing at you 2 for a long time tonight
          Thanks again
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2011, 06:30:56 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Now thats a great lie
          Keep em comin Sharon

          Do you touch yourself or fondle yourself?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 05, 2011, 06:49:57 PM
          Only when I think of Marky...
          Kisss
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2011, 07:01:47 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Only when I think of Marky...
          Kisss

          Where do you touch yourself?  Art, who else have you touched?  Like I said, you are one sick puppy.  Psychotropic medications have not helped you, I don't know what will.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2011, 07:11:21 PM
          You try to get the best of me, go away!   :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  ::OMG::   :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 05, 2011, 07:13:08 PM
          Ive never taken a Psychotropic medication.. I wouldnt know
          If you come over,I'll show you.
          Make sure you break the door down to get in
          will look just like the recent shooting of your brother Bin Laden
          You will finally get the attention you desperately crave
          dont let me down now
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2011, 07:13:58 PM
          Art stop calling me or I'm going to call the police.   :soapbox:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 05, 2011, 07:18:44 PM
          YAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNN
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2011, 07:27:26 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          YAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNN

          Psychotropic medications not working again fart?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2011, 07:30:30 PM
          Quote from: "Che Gookin"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          SHould Marky admit to his part in this,he would go to jail for Identity theft.


          Lol, bullshit.. that's a limpdick claim even for you fattytits.


          I'm no fan of Mark, I'm no fan of Sharon, I'm no fan of Art, BUT.. in all honesty right from the bowels of my blackened soul I'll be perfectly truthful when I say that the three of these clowns have kept me amused for the last 165 pages of nothing but a total trainwreck of a thread.

          Don't spin my words Art. Don't you even dare try, because simply put you are nothing more than a massive failure as a troll. You don't have the skills to troll. You are as transparent as a piece of glass.

          You ain't fooling anyone fattytits.

          You see fattytits, I'm almost certain you are out pretending to be mark as often as mark is pretending not to be mark. Which makes me laugh my ass off because you two are virtually buttfucking each other while either pretending to be the other person or faking your own supporters.

          And Mark, you are still a no talent washed up old drunk who can barely use google.

          And Sharon is nothing  but a washed up old bitch who probably gives blowjobs for foodstamps to support her 19 children.

          All three of you ought to shut the fuck up and stop embarrassing yourselves.

          I agree.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 07, 2011, 01:12:33 AM
          Art used to be a cool guy to hang around  with.  He would by me beer and we would have good conversations.   I thought he was an intelligent guy.  His crappy trolling attempts changed my views.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 07, 2011, 07:46:54 AM
          Quote from: "Arts behaviors"
          Art used to be a cool guy to hang around  with.  He would by me beer and we would have good conversations.   I thought he was an intelligent guy.  His crappy trolling attempts changed my views.

          Bawaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha
          Thanks man. I always enjoy a good laugh 1st thing in the morning
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 07, 2011, 12:56:23 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "Arts behaviors"
          Art used to be a cool guy to hang around  with.  He would by me beer and we would have good conversations.   I thought he was an intelligent guy.  His crappy trolling attempts changed my views.

          Bawaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha
          Thanks man. I always enjoy a good laugh 1st thing in the morning

          I wouldn't get cute, Art.  I suggest  you stop or I'll bust you badly son.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 07, 2011, 04:05:37 PM
          Now you've done it
          I am frightened beyond belief
          Cmere gimme a hug
          PS.. Learn to spell loser
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on May 08, 2011, 05:22:32 AM
          Imagine seeing  :moon:  :moon: fArt Wartshitsky :moon:  :moon:  with no shirt on, exposing his man tits while out on his row boat spying on people with binoculars as he pleasures himself way out in the water :roflmao:  :roflmao:  ::puke::  ::puke::
           :moon:  :moon: fArts :moon:  :moon:  sure has been a busy drunk lard ass this past week, convincing himself of his lies :jamin:

          One day we will read of the news of how  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  choked himself to death while deep throating a penis. :cheers:  :jawdrop:

           :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  is the only plentyoffish.com member who's profile has had no success since it's creation many years ago :roflmao:  :roflmao:  I guess the whole man tits thing is a real turn off to homosexuals and even blind homosexuals too!! :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  This is why  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  uses booze to pay off homeless men to perform lewd gay sex acts on in cheap motel rooms :whip:  :whip:

          I hear that  :moon:  :moon: fArt's :moon:  :moon:  mother wants for mothers day, that  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  return all her panties :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

           :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: fArt :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 08, 2011, 06:46:38 AM
          A story by liarexposed or Art or ?

          In the 2 years plus that these 2 morons have been harrassing me,I have never (EVER),had a ficticious screen name. Never posted as someone else,and always told the truth.
           :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 08, 2011, 07:56:13 AM
          Still crying over the big bad Art
          LOL
          ER you are embarrassing yourself again. People are laughing at you = Still
          You must be related to Cockboy/and Cocksucker girl
          Wonder what would make a person fall this far in life
          Well happy Mom's day girls
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 08, 2011, 07:57:52 AM
          Quote from: "Humm"
          A story by liarexposed or Art or ?

          In the 2 years plus that these 2 morons have been harrassing me,I have never (EVER),had a ficticious screen name. Never posted as someone else,and always told the truth.
           :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:


          You never use other sceen names and allways tell the truth ? dont look that way. :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 08, 2011, 08:32:19 AM
          Am sorry the concept of honesty is beyond your grasp
          Come gimme a hug
          You'll be ok after you take your medication
          Today would be an excellant day for your suicide
          Drink the Draino
          I promise to water the flowers on your grave, regularly!
          I gotta run girls.. Its been alot of fun renting that space in your heads
          But its Mom's day and we have reservations
          Try not to shit yourselves today girls
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 08, 2011, 08:54:30 AM
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          Imagine seeing  :moon:  :moon: fArt Wartshitsky :moon:  :moon:  with no shirt on, exposing his man tits while out on his row boat spying on people with binoculars as he pleasures himself way out in the water :roflmao:  :roflmao:  ::puke::  ::puke::
           :moon:  :moon: fArts :moon:  :moon:  sure has been a busy drunk lard ass this past week, convincing himself of his lies :jamin:

          One day we will read of the news of how  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  choked himself to death while deep throating a penis. :cheers:  :jawdrop:

           :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  is the only plentyoffish.com member who's profile has had no success since it's creation many years ago :roflmao:  :roflmao:  I guess the whole man tits thing is a real turn off to homosexuals and even blind homosexuals too!! :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  This is why  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  uses booze to pay off homeless men to perform lewd gay sex acts on in cheap motel rooms :whip:  :whip:

          I hear that  :moon:  :moon: fArt's :moon:  :moon:  mother wants for mothers day, that  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  return all her panties :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

           :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: fArt :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on May 08, 2011, 09:18:52 AM
          :roflmao:  :roflmao: fArt :roflmao:  :roflmao:  once again demonstrates how delusional he really is. People laugh with me  :roflmao:  :roflmao: fArt :roflmao:  :roflmao:  as you can see I have many friends, unlike you who only has you, yourself, and I when using multiple screen names to agree with yourself :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: . I also get from time to time private messages from people from fornits praisng me for handing you your ass and complamenting me on my posts. Your private messages (If any) would be that of hatred and hostility towards you. I can only imagine how many hate messages you get in your box on a weekly basis.  :jamin:
          You are not capable of having ANY friends  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon: further more, you are nothing but a broken record *reservations*?? You only dream you could make a reservation somewhere, you first off need friends and family  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  which you do not have fella. ::OMG::  Unless you show up somewhere with blow up dolls (which I wouldn't be surprised if you did). I'm sure you have some type of old discarded manniquins that you took out of some department stores trash container and prop them on your couch at home and move them outside to the rear of your home on that delapitated deck of yours where you grill your fecal matter for consumption.  ::puke::

           :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  once had a family, twice as a matter of fact. But he pissed them off so badly that he got disowned by his first family and then his very own family, and neither have nothing to do with you :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  You are as ugly inside as your outside appearence fella. Your plentyoffish.com date profile pictures speaks for itself.  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  You are a mentally disturbed drunk, and the way you relate to people here is the way you relate to people in real life. I'm sure you had a few dozen black eyes over the years cause you let your mouth run rampant like you do here at fornits. You are basically a hermit  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon: and I'm sure your neighbors have nothing positive to say about you either  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          As far as your statement of me embarrassing myself, you go right ahead and keep telling yourself that to make yourself feel better because you know the truth hurts and you like to bury it real deep inside you, way beyond those man tities of yours. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: So go grab that bottle of liquor and  :dose:  fella, cause it's gonna be a very lonely day for you today. Maybe you can resposition your manniquins and blow up dolls and have a pretend mothers day dinner with them. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          And ofcoarse..... Here's to you fella.... :twofinger:  :twofinger: fArt :twofinger:  :twofinger:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 08, 2011, 09:38:36 AM
          Ha
          I love to see you spin yourself into a frenzy
          How's that court case comin ?
          I dont ever need to make myself feel better.. I feel great
          As for "all the people who hate me"
          I guess you are correct.. all of your screen names dont seem to like me
          Boo fucking hoo

          I may not get over that for at least 4 minutes  LOL
          Time to go
          I will say.. You are one funny mother fucker
          in a delusional,anti-social,overly medicated,bozze and drug induced,emotionally crippled kinda way
          Enjoy the day
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 08, 2011, 09:59:01 AM
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          :roflmao:  :roflmao: fArt :roflmao:  :roflmao:  once again demonstrates how delusional he really is. People laugh with me  :roflmao:  :roflmao: fArt :roflmao:  :roflmao:  as you can see I have many friends, unlike you who only has you, yourself, and I when using multiple screen names to agree with yourself :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: . I also get from time to time private messages from people from fornits praisng me for handing you your ass and complamenting me on my posts. Your private messages (If any) would be that of hatred and hostility towards you. I can only imagine how many hate messages you get in your box on a weekly basis.  :jamin:
          You are not capable of having ANY friends  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon: further more, you are nothing but a broken record *reservations*?? You only dream you could make a reservation somewhere, you first off need friends and family  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  which you do not have fella. ::OMG::  Unless you show up somewhere with blow up dolls (which I wouldn't be surprised if you did). I'm sure you have some type of old discarded manniquins that you took out of some department stores trash container and prop them on your couch at home and move them outside to the rear of your home on that delapitated deck of yours where you grill your fecal matter for consumption.  ::puke::

           :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  once had a family, twice as a matter of fact. But he pissed them off so badly that he got disowned by his first family and then his very own family, and neither have nothing to do with you :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  You are as ugly inside as your outside appearence fella. Your plentyoffish.com date profile pictures speaks for itself.  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  You are a mentally disturbed drunk, and the way you relate to people here is the way you relate to people in real life. I'm sure you had a few dozen black eyes over the years cause you let your mouth run rampant like you do here at fornits. You are basically a hermit  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon: and I'm sure your neighbors have nothing positive to say about you either  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          As far as your statement of me embarrassing myself, you go right ahead and keep telling yourself that to make yourself feel better because you know the truth hurts and you like to bury it real deep inside you, way beyond those man tities of yours. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: So go grab that bottle of liquor and  :dose:  fella, cause it's gonna be a very lonely day for you today. Maybe you can resposition your manniquins and blow up dolls and have a pretend mothers day dinner with them. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          And ofcoarse..... Here's to you fella.... :twofinger:  :twofinger: fArt :twofinger:  :twofinger:


          They wont let him in the Mc Donalds with out resevations that give Mc Donalds time to
           get all the kids out first,So he can not molest any of them. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 08, 2011, 05:35:19 PM
          Sorry I made you girls cry today
          Kleenex ?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 08, 2011, 06:04:10 PM
          ER
          That was really one of your nastier posts I ve read. Tho I usually dont read much that you write
          But dude.. Are you in therapy ? Have you been ?
          For a person top THINK of these horrific thing is one thing. But to write about them..
          What would make a person fall that far in life
          What could possibly have happened to you that brings your mind to those dark and nasty places?
          Dude..I think you should kill yourself if life is just this bad. Obviously,the only perons you have in life,or here for that fact
          are Marky.. And Sharon.. fine upstanding Convicted Felons.. Ex Cons..
          Well ..At least you have written it here,in the Toilet you and your pals created. Hopefully noone from Law Enforcement will ever read the dozens of stories that have accumulated over the years.
          I doubt there is a law against it
          But Im sure they want to know your name,address, etc
          I think yer a FAIRLY dangerous man/troll/little girl
          I cant imagine what you could possibly say to God on your judgement day
          I hope you get better
           
          PS Marky... Still offerning 500.00 to the Charity of your choice,if you kill yourself NOW
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 09, 2011, 01:32:07 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          ER
          That was really one of your nastier posts I ve read. Tho I usually dont read much that you write
          But dude.. Are you in therapy ? Have you been ?
          For a person top THINK of these horrific thing is one thing. But to write about them..
          What would make a person fall that far in life
          What could possibly have happened to you that brings your mind to those dark and nasty places?
          Dude..I think you should kill yourself if life is just this bad. Obviously,the only perons you have in life,or here for that fact
          are Marky.. And Sharon.. fine upstanding Convicted Felons.. Ex Cons..
          Well ..At least you have written it here,in the Toilet you and your pals created. Hopefully noone from Law Enforcement will ever read the dozens of stories that have accumulated over the years.
          I doubt there is a law against it
          But Im sure they want to know your name,address, etc
          I think yer a FAIRLY dangerous man/troll/little girl
          I cant imagine what you could possibly say to God on your judgement day
          I hope you get better
           
          PS Marky... Still offerning 500.00 to the Charity of your choice,if you kill yourself NOW


          I will give all of you 500.00 to killl yourselves. :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :poison:  :poison:  :poison:  :poison:  :poison:  :poison:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 09, 2011, 06:03:05 AM
          fArt Wartshitsky suck a dick you stupid psychotropic medication snorting ass pirate.  You'll have $500,000 in attorney's fees when I'm done with you ass.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 09, 2011, 08:56:28 AM
          YAAAAAWWWWWNNNNNNNNNN
          Come up with a new one kid
          You have nothing
          Exatly what you are
          A complete zero seeking attention like a 10 yr old
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 09, 2011, 12:05:47 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          YAAAAAWWWWWNNNNNNNNNN
          Come up with a new one kid
          You have nothing
          Exatly what you are
          A complete zero seeking attention like a 10 yr old

          Arthur you should have written Exactly not Exatly.  Please learn  how to spell or I am going to sink your boat.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 09, 2011, 01:55:31 PM
          Quote from: "Wartshitsky"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          YAAAAAWWWWWNNNNNNNNNN
          Come up with a new one kid
          You have nothing
          Exatly what you are
          A complete zero seeking attention like a 10 yr old

          Arthur you should have written Exactly not Exatly.  Please learn  how to spell or I am going to sink your boat.

          Sounds alot like a threat to me.. BTW its insured for replacement value.. knock yourself out.. Will make  a ton of $$$$
          As usual.. you got nothing... well except the Felony that you just threatened me with
          How many does that make ?
          Would be much better for me, if Security shot you in the head anyway
          Remember the 500.00 bucks.. Even Sherrif Assisted suicide counts !
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 09, 2011, 02:42:31 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "Wartshitsky"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          YAAAAAWWWWWNNNNNNNNNN
          Come up with a new one kid
          You have nothing
          Exatly what you are
          A complete zero seeking attention like a 10 yr old

          Arthur you should have written Exactly not Exatly.  Please learn  how to spell or I am going to sink your boat.

          Sounds alot like a threat to me.. BTW its insured for replacement value.. knock yourself out.. Will make  a ton of $$$$
          As usual.. you got nothing... well except the Felony that you just threatened me with
          How many does that make ?
          Would be much better for me, if Security shot you in the head anyway
          Remember the 500.00 bucks.. Even Sherrif Assisted suicide counts !

          Did you keep my statement as evidence?  I would drink a six pack of beer, throw a flair into your boat then walk away laughing.  You have nothing that incriminates me idiot.  Art, you are a walking turd with an IQ of 60.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 09, 2011, 03:00:45 PM
          I am going to sink your boat.
          I know you are HIGHLY eductaed Sharon/Marky
          but YES that IS a threat
          Now get off the computer and work on your impending suicide
          we are waiting
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 09, 2011, 06:09:41 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          I am going to sink your boat.
          I know you are HIGHLY eductaed Sharon/Marky
          but YES that IS a threat
          Now get off the computer and work on your impending suicide
          we are waiting


          Suicide seems like a good idea Art.  How do you want me to kill myself?   :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 09, 2011, 06:27:44 PM
          Dont go away mad,just go away
          Need Klenex ?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 10, 2011, 01:53:10 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Dont go away mad,just go away
          Need Klenex ?

          Art do you wash your balls with shampoo in the shower?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 10, 2011, 07:44:11 AM
          Quote from: "Art W"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Dont go away mad,just go away
          Need Klenex ?

          Art do you wash your balls with shampoo in the shower?

          Well,not since you started comin over in the morning. You are very sexy. Especially the way you look up at me, while servicing me.
          Its ok to to cry JJ
          Even big boys cry..  :nods:  :nods:  :nods:
           :heartbreak:
          Have another drink,then some more meth
          You havent changed a bit
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 10, 2011, 08:03:25 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "Art W"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Dont go away mad,just go away
          Need Klenex ?

          Art do you wash your balls with shampoo in the shower?

          Well,not since you started comin over in the morning. You are very sexy. Especially the way you look up at me, while servicing me.
          Its ok to to cry JJ
          Even big boys cry..  :nods:  :nods:  :nods:
           :heartbreak:
          Have another drink,then some more meth
          You havent changed a bit

          Art I resent your assertions.  Yes, I have changed because I take more meth.   :beat:  :beat:   Do you stick a bar of soap up your rear and wash it out in the shower?   :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 10, 2011, 08:13:43 AM
          Am sorry I made you cry this early
          Now pace yourself.. Dont burn yourself out
          its gonna be a long day of trolling
          Kiss
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 10, 2011, 09:02:45 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Am sorry I made you cry this early
          Now pace yourself.. Dont burn yourself out
          its gonna be a long day of trolling
          Kiss

          Fart you are below me mentally, physically and spiritually.  You are a stupid idiot. Do something constructive like run your business correctly.  My sources tell me you have not paid taxes in a long time.  You break the law, threaten me on fornits and stink.   :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 10, 2011, 09:19:47 AM
          art you are below me mentally, physically and spiritually.  You are a stupid idiot. Do something constructive like run your business correctly.  My sources tell me you have not paid taxes in a long time.  You break the law, threaten me on fornits and stink.   :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:[/quote]
           
          Hate to burst your cum bubble..
          But NOTHING is below you. My business is doing extremely well. Kinda hard not to pay taxes when you have a Fed tax ID. You must be an uneducated moron
          Now go back to slurpin the cock.
          At least you are performing a public service. Even the homeless need their balls drained
          why is it you havent brought "Charges" against me ?
          Oh thats right.. I havent done anything wrong LOL
          You really are too stupid to live.. Please kill yourself
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 10, 2011, 09:29:34 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          art you are below me mentally, physically and spiritually.  You are a stupid idiot. Do something constructive like run your business correctly.  My sources tell me you have not paid taxes in a long time.  You break the law, threaten me on fornits and stink.   :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:

          Hate to burst your cum bubble..
          But NOTHING is below you. My business is doing extremely well. Kinda hard not to pay taxes when you have a Fed tax ID. You must be an uneducated moron
          Now go back to slurpin the cock.
          At least you are performing a public service. Even the homeless need their balls drained
          why is it you havent brought "Charges" against me ?
          Oh thats right.. I havent done anything wrong LOL
          You really are too stupid to live.. Please kill yourself[/quote]


          You know i know about you Art all of you and you will be cought.Blame everything on the other morons like Babbltits and Sharon and ER, but you know who this is and what you have done.the IRS is going to find you and I will send them.You should have been honest and nicer to me Art. :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 10, 2011, 09:56:53 AM
          Wahhhh  Snivel  piss n moan
          At the end of the day.. You still got nothing but threats and slander
          You are the lowest form of life
          got something to say ? Just say it.. to my face..
          But then that would end your little girl game.. And what else could you do to pass the time
          Get a job ? LOL Fry cook ? McDonalds ? 7-11 ?
          You are an uneducated Coward
          But fun to laugh at
          thanks
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 10, 2011, 09:58:15 AM
          You should've stayed in school
          you and you will be cought
          Its Caught
          Moron
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 10, 2011, 12:12:14 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          You should've stayed in school
          you and you will be cought
          Its Caught
          Moron

          Did you pass English with no less than a D?  Your sentence structure is atrocious.  Art please take your psychotropic medications because you are moody again.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 10, 2011, 01:32:19 PM
          Im sorry I made you cry again
          or still
          You really are emotionally crippled
          all this attention and fuss over little ole me
          Maybe call someone and have them stick a cock in your mouth
          That'll keep ya quiet for a while
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 10, 2011, 05:48:37 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Im sorry I made you cry again
          or still
          You really are emotionally crippled
          all this attention and fuss over little ole me
          Maybe call someone and have them stick a cock in your mouth
          That'll keep ya quiet for a while

          You talk allot about sticking cocks in other peoples mouths.  Art, I am concerned for you.  There are many people who believe you'll ramble on to page 200 in this thread.  This is a worthless thread.  The epic fail is you blathering on about Mark being garystadler when garystadler is your other user name.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 10, 2011, 06:55:58 PM
          The epic fail of this topic is you,and anyone else who wont let it die
          You are sick,twisted and mentally ill. Full of bile and bullshit
          Grow up and go away
          and this thread will die
          Or better yet.. Kill yourself and this thread will die
          you choose
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 10, 2011, 09:20:48 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          The epic fail of this topic is you,and anyone else who wont let it die
          You are sick,twisted and mentally ill. Full of bile and bullshit
          Grow up and go away
          and this thread will die
          Or better yet.. Kill yourself and this thread will die
          you choose

          Art is garystadler  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox: More Art more. :poison:  :poison:  :poison:  :poison:  :poison:  :poison:  :poison:  :poison:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 10, 2011, 09:39:47 PM
          Art told me he was garystadler on the telephone.  He called me white trash and told me to get cocks out of my mouth.  Art is very disrespectful.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 10, 2011, 10:20:00 PM
          Still crying  ?
          LOL
          Too funny
          Have a good night little girl
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2011, 12:44:56 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Still crying  ?
          LOL
          Too funny
          Have a good night little girl

          Art did  you wash  your ass out with soap in the  shower or suck cocks today?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on May 11, 2011, 05:26:26 AM
          Oh  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  how I find it so amusing how you can be such a hypocrit.  :jerry:  :jerry: You  :ftard: , offering money for someone to  :suicide: is a criminal offense. You better hope you don't piss someone off in the future and they decide to use your threat against you. :jamin: Though the thought of you being prosecuted for it and becoming the reciever in prison would be a big change for once.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  make sure you tell all your fellow inmates about how many children you molested, I hear inmates love hearing stories about shit like that  ::unhappy::  :poison:  ::unhappy:: .

          I'm happy to read about you getting your ass handed to you since my last post on Sunday, as unlike your ersatz "RESERVATIONS" (Which most likely were involved having maniquins on that small delapitated deck of yours) ,my mothers day reservations were way beyond anything you could think of doing, much less afford to boot.  :roflmao:  It's early Weds morning and I just returned late Tues nite from a surprise getaway for the majority of the families that were able to attend the mini vacation get away, to a very special surprise place which myself paid for.  :roflmao:  :roflmao: I kept thinking about a fat, dirty, child molesting junk man named  :moon:  :moon: fArt warshitsky :moon:  :moon:  and wondered if he showed up to this special mini vacation, how long would it take before security would have thrown his dirty, filthy, fat ass out on the street.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  The difference between you and me  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  is I live the dream and all you can do is "Dream the Dream"  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  You filthy, dirty, rotten, no good, child molester :fuckoff:  You are the  :suicide: candidate. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          As you fabricate your life to everyone here at fornits :roflmao: and constantly reassure yourself, whether by logging in under multiple screen names, or just blatantly lie about what you plan to do, or have done, i can only wonder how terrible life must be for you and  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          I'm not one to brag about how good life is for me, but when it comes to your constant lies and erastz reality, I cannot help myself but to rub it in your face and  :roflmao: You fella remind me of a pre-teen facing adolesceny, and constantly talk about how you are or did this, or how you bought or plan on buying that.  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla: The word (SUCCESSFUL) always applies to EVERYONE :blabla: , except in your case it applies to the following... ::fullofshit::  :roflmao: ... :flip:  :roflmao: , and my favorite.. :smashcomp:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: . Your class of people I do not associate with in real ife, but if I did I would have to seek out a homeless person as have a converastion with them, to fully understand how your class functions in society and see how crappy life must really be for you. I would never ridicule a homeless person for being who they are, but if one were to pretend they were something in life that they were not, I would hand them their ass like I do with you fella :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin: . The other difference between you and I is (I CAN) and (YOU CAN'T). Try and digest those words today into that tiny, alcohol soaked brain of yours as you wear your filthy, dirty clothes and sit your fat ass behind a filthy, dirty counter at a junk yard today, trying to make enough money to spoil yourself on a cheap bottle of wine for this coming weekend.  :cheers:  Maybe you will have saved enough for your sick sexual, criminal ritual, of luring a minor into a cheap motel room ::OMG::  ::OMG:: so you can get them drunk or high and hopefully they pass out so you can have your way with them  ::evil::  :o  ::) and  :P their :moon:  as you indulge and feast on their  ::fullofshit:: like a delicious lobster dinner.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  It's only a matter of time before one of your victums father hunts you down  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  and  ::unhappy:: .

          If Bernie Madoff was a child molester, you would be much more wealthier then him.  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on May 11, 2011, 05:36:30 AM
          I never agreed with myself before unlike you  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon: . But I just read my post and was  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          I do believe i just severly handed you your a :moon:  :moon:  :moon: fella.

           :jamin:  :roflmao:  :jamin:  :roflmao:  :jamin:  :roflmao:  :jamin:  :roflmao:  :jamin:  :roflmao:  :jamin:  :roflmao:  :jamin:  :roflmao:  :jamin:  :roflmao:  :jamin:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          Makes me wonder is  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon: will  :smashcomp:  after reading my post :rasta:

           :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2011, 07:03:12 AM
          Lol.  ER handed you your ass FART.   :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2011, 07:23:27 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Still crying  ?
          LOL
          Too funny
          Have a good night little girl

          (http://http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0912/masturbating-stewie-griffin-horror-shocked-masturbating-demotivational-poster-1260387801.jpg)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 11, 2011, 07:31:58 AM
          I kept thinking about a fat, dirty, child molesting junk man named   fArt warshitsky   and wondered if he showed up to this special mini vacation, how long would it take before security would have thrown his dirty, filthy, fat ass out on the street.     The difference between you and me   fArt   is I live the dream and
           
          I must be all powerful if you went on vacation and you thought about me.
          Live..From Fornits.com ... Its Marky the cum bubbler,and the BILE brothers
          That was quite story.. More evidence of your acute mental illness
          Get some help dude
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on May 11, 2011, 11:20:34 AM
          :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon: a ll your life you tried over coming your problems, whether it be your demons, family matters, or personal issues. Now for the last 10 years you continue to come to a forum where everyone hates you (LITERALLY)  :beat:  :beat: . Either you are drunk 24/7 and I wouldn't put it past you, espeically after trying to read your last post which looked like you were slurring your words. :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          Anyway, you know you cannot over come your adversaries here at fornits :rasta:  You posting here is like trying to invade Normandy beach with a giant orange bullseye on your fat ass :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Do you get some kick out of being KICKED here at fornits :rasta: Or is it your beer muscles and energy keep you going :rasta:  :rasta: Only a drunk knows not any better when to give it up. I am aware of your serious life problems both, past and present as well as possible future :cheers: Either you are the biggest fool to walk this planet, or your daily dose or preferred spirits gives you the strength to show your ugly head here most of the time. Me thinks it is both. :rofl:

          I'm sure your local looney hospital has a nice comfortable  bed for you to rest in for some time.  :whip:  You can even live out your gay homosexual fantasies (provided the staff doesn't catch you) with people 1/2 your age. :whip:

          For the record  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  when I thought about your (reservation) post you made this past Sunday, it wasn't because you left an impression. The only impression you can leave is your foot prints in dog shit after you step in it.. :roflmao:  :roflmao: I laughed about you after I was explaining a little of yourself to some family members and how you troll a forum that I post at and pretend to be something you are not. :rofl:

          Remember  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon: ... I CAN & YOU CAN'T, YOU ONLY CAN DREAM IT, WHILE I CAN LIVE IT.  So you just keep making an ass outta yourself fella and keep on leaking all that jealousy you have at Mark and others. Speaking of Mark, that must of really hurt when you saw him driving that expensive truck basically in your face.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  Plus 1 for Mark for doing that to you. That must of just ate you all up inside seeing one of the many people that are part of the elite (I Hate fArt club) and driving a vehicle what your credit would never allow you to get.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 11, 2011, 11:33:06 AM
          YAAAAWWWWWWNNNNNNNNN
          Cmon dude
          You can do better
          More hate... More lies.. More embarrassment to you and your family
          Internet toughguy... come talk that shit to my face kid
          You are a coward... and a nasty,mentally ill one at that
          This is getting boring. You have lost your grasp of reality
          Kinda like tweedle dee and tweedle dumb
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on May 11, 2011, 11:48:18 AM
          You just love getting your sorry ass derided here  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon: .  :roflmao:  :roflmao: I must of hit a sore spot with fArty :roflmao:  :roflmao:  Whats wrong fArt :rasta: the truth hurt that badly :rasta:  :rasta:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          Maybe one day there will be a day I see you face to face, but I certainly wouldn't tell you of it before hand. I would rather it be a big surprise for you. Nothing better then seeing someone like yourself wetting themselves after you come face to face with your adversary. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  You are a very bad person fArt. You have done some terrible things to people and taken advantage of them as well. I can promise you this, one day it will come back to haunt you as full circle makes it's rounds and brings bad karma right to your face. :poison:  I'll let you know, I do not like people that take advantage of people that are 1/2 their age. Especially when it is sexual in nature. ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::

          It's one thing to download and watch kiddie porn, it's a whole another thing to live out those kiddie porn fantasies in real life. You are a bad person, that has bad intentions and you better pray to your God that the law catches up with you before some victums father, or uncle does. You play with matches fella, you might get burned. You play with fire, you will eventially get seriously burned.


           :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :moon:  :moon: fArty :moon:  :moon:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2011, 11:56:24 AM
          ART you're almost there, 200 pages of ELAN drivel.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2011, 11:59:51 AM
          ART photo album

          (http://http://www.watchdogwag.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Big-fat-guy-get-subsidy-for-Net-whacking.jpg)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 11, 2011, 12:18:27 PM
          LOL
          Were you gonna say something truthful ?
          please give me a "heads up" so I dont miss it
          I think its time for the med wagon. I am suprised the facility that cares for your sorry ass,allows you on the internet
          Un-escorted
          You seriously need help
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2011, 12:32:49 PM
          (http://http://th1031.photobucket.com/albums/y376/fuckyouasshole1/th_ArtWarshawskypicture.jpg)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 11, 2011, 12:44:25 PM
          Quote from: "ART in his boat"
          (http://http://th1031.photobucket.com/albums/y376/fuckyouasshole1/th_ArtWarshawskypicture.jpg)

          I understand the infatuation
          I am one good lookin man
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2011, 01:13:59 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "ART in his boat"
          (http://http://th1031.photobucket.com/albums/y376/fuckyouasshole1/th_ArtWarshawskypicture.jpg)

          I understand the infatuation
          I am one good lookin man

          You'll threaten to sue Mark for stealing this picture from your facebook account.  OR you'll threaten to sue fornits.  This will be entertaining.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 11, 2011, 01:24:43 PM
          the failure of your trolling vs. the success of your removal
          7 hate sites
          1 "comedy" site
          and of course you couldnt let that go,and brought it to Fornits
          we all know how that worked out
          Your tantrum costed fornits alot of money,and time down
          You really are a special little troll
          Are you proud of yourself sharon ? Marky ?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2011, 02:21:45 PM
          Art,

          Why are people from ELAN upset at you?  You don't have anything to worry about if you didn't abuse children.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 11, 2011, 02:36:56 PM
          Quote from: "ELAN"
          Art,

          Why are people from ELAN upset at you?  You don't have anything to worry about if you didn't abuse children.
          A) I have nothing to worry about PERIOD
          b) This is what children do when they dont get their way
          c) The truth is VERY difficult on these damaged souls
          d) This is nothiing more than a 10 year old throwing a tantrum... Hell its just 2-3 people pretending to be several more by using numorous screen names
          e) I dont intimidate very easily
          f)Its kinda funny to watch these ""so called" adults make complete asses outa themselves
          g)they are cowards.. each of them,and ALL of their screen names
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2011, 04:15:48 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "ELAN"
          Art,

          Why are people from ELAN upset at you?  You don't have anything to worry about if you didn't abuse children.
          A) I have nothing to worry about PERIOD
          b) This is what children do when they dont get their way
          c) The truth is VERY difficult on these damaged souls
          d) This is nothiing more than a 10 year old throwing a tantrum... Hell its just 2-3 people pretending to be several more by using numorous screen names
          e) I dont intimidate very easily
          f)Its kinda funny to watch these ""so called" adults make complete asses outa themselves
          g)they are cowards.. each of them,and ALL of their screen names

          They love you Art 201 pages and counting.
          Gee that reporter really handed  you your Fat Ass again today.Do you grease up in the morning in the junk pile at work.So are you going to sue Fornits or me when you figure out who I am. babbltits  has left you for another troll.and sharon lost her computer in the mobile home repo and she cant get online at the shelter.You fat fuck Art I'm closer than you think. maybe in the same building who nows. :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 11, 2011, 04:30:02 PM
          demonds
          Exactly what is a demonds ?
          Sharon/Marky/Trollgirls
          You keep running your mouth,I wont need to sue anyone. You will simply be arrested for harrassment
          If you are so close,why not come over and settle this like a man/woman ?
          Pretty sure I already know why = COWARD
          Havent worked in the junkyard in quite some time
          But nice try
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2011, 05:19:38 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "ELAN"
          Art,

          Why are people from ELAN upset at you?  You don't have anything to worry about if you didn't abuse children.
          A) I have nothing to worry about PERIOD
          b) This is what children do when they dont get their way
          c) The truth is VERY difficult on these damaged souls
          d) This is nothiing more than a 10 year old throwing a tantrum... Hell its just 2-3 people pretending to be several more by using numorous screen names
          e) I dont intimidate very easily
          f)Its kinda funny to watch these ""so called" adults make complete asses outa themselves


          g)they are cowards.. each of them,and ALL of their screen names

          Art you act like a child when you argue with them constantly.  Why don't you be the bigger man and drop out?    
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2011, 06:22:18 PM
          Quote from: "The bigger man"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "ELAN"
          Art,

          Why are people from ELAN upset at you?  You don't have anything to worry about if you didn't abuse children.
          A) I have nothing to worry about PERIOD
          b) This is what children do when they dont get their way
          c) The truth is VERY difficult on these damaged souls
          d) This is nothiing more than a 10 year old throwing a tantrum... Hell its just 2-3 people pretending to be several more by using numorous screen names
          e) I dont intimidate very easily
          f)Its kinda funny to watch these ""so called" adults make complete asses outa themselves


          g)they are cowards.. each of them,and ALL of their screen names

          Art you act like a child when you argue with them constantly.  Why don't you be the bigger man and drop out?    


          Art lives to have his ass handed to him everyday here by somebody.
          That Er guy got you pretty good  Art you dont know what to say to him do you.? You are on page 203 of your lies and crap Art man up and stop. :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2011, 06:26:03 PM
          Quote from: "Art can't stop"
          Quote from: "The bigger man"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "ELAN"
          Art,

          Why are people from ELAN upset at you?  You don't have anything to worry about if you didn't abuse children.
          A) I have nothing to worry about PERIOD
          b) This is what children do when they dont get their way
          c) The truth is VERY difficult on these damaged souls
          d) This is nothiing more than a 10 year old throwing a tantrum... Hell its just 2-3 people pretending to be several more by using numorous screen names
          e) I dont intimidate very easily
          f)Its kinda funny to watch these ""so called" adults make complete asses outa themselves


          g)they are cowards.. each of them,and ALL of their screen names

          Art you act like a child when you argue with them constantly.  Why don't you be the bigger man and drop out?    


          Art lives to have his ass handed to him everyday here by somebody.
          That Er guy got you pretty good  Art you dont know what to say to him do you.? You are on page 203 of your lies and crap Art man up and stop. :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::

          Art is the drama queen and he does work in a junk yard quit lying Art I now all about you.just goggle yourselve. :poison:  :poison:  :poison:  :poison:  :poison:  :poison:  :poison:  :poison:  :poison:  :poison:  :poison:  :poison:  :poison:  :poison:  :poison:  :deal:  :deal:  :deal:  :deal:  :poison:  :poison:  :poison:  :poison:  :poison:  :poison:  :poison:  :poison:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 11, 2011, 09:14:50 PM
          Art you dont know what to say to him do you.?
           
          Thats the 1st truth here in print in years.. There maybe hope for a nasty troll like you yet
          What does one say to an emotionally challenged person, who spews bile and venon every day  ?
          Lemme know if you come up with an anwser
          Not going anywhere
           
          Umm havent worked at the yard in a while. If you were only a good troll,you'd know that. But just lilke every other place in your miserable lives.. You have failed.. Again
          The good news is....You can get up in the morning (or stay up all night again) and repeat this over and over
          Been pretty funny for the first 30 months.. and incriminating might I add
          Im dying to see how it turns out
          Night Night
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2011, 09:25:13 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Art you dont know what to say to him do you.?
           
          Thats the 1st truth here in print in years.. There maybe hope for a nasty troll like you yet
          What does one say to an emotionally challenged person, who spews bile and venon every day  ?
          Lemme know if you come up with an anwser
          Not going anywhere
           
          Umm havent worked at the yard in a while. If you were only a good troll,you'd know that. But just lilke every other place in your miserable lives.. You have failed.. Again
          The good news is....You can get up in the morning (or stay up all night again) and repeat this over and over
          Been pretty funny for the first 30 months.. and incriminating might I add
          Im dying to see how it turns out
          Night Night

          Reading your replies are painful.  Your sentence structure is horrible and you have a low level of vocabulary.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2011, 05:10:01 AM
          Quote from: "Art loves Jordan"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Art you dont know what to say to him do you.?
           
          Thats the 1st truth here in print in years.. There maybe hope for a nasty troll like you yet
          What does one say to an emotionally challenged person, who spews bile and venon every day  ?
          Lemme know if you come up with an anwser
          Not going anywhere
           
          Umm havent worked at the yard in a while. If you were only a good troll,you'd know that. But just lilke every other place in your miserable lives.. You have failed.. Again
          The good news is....You can get up in the morning (or stay up all night again) and repeat this over and over
          Been pretty funny for the first 30 months.. and incriminating might I add
          Im dying to see how it turns out
          Night Night

          Reading your replies are painful.  Your sentence structure is horrible and you have a low level of vocabulary.

          Cant you read he just paste and sticks his last response every time.
          The IRS is looking for you Art and why did they fire you out of the junk yard.?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 12, 2011, 07:19:23 AM
          When you and your screen names shut the fuck up
          I go away
          I have never been fired from a job in this industry. The grass was greener elswhere.
          New client,out of town,pays very well
          Thinks I walk on water
          Maybe you should try getting a job. Give up your welfare and food assistance
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2011, 07:22:14 AM
          ART the IRS is after you?  I haven't heard about this.  It is one thing after the other with you.  The IRS, threatening to sue Marky without just cause and trolling fornits.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2011, 08:18:57 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          When you and your screen names shut the fuck up
          I go away
          I have never been fired from a job in this industry. The grass was greener elswhere.
          New client,out of town,pays very well
          Thinks I walk on water
          Maybe you should try getting a job. Give up your welfare and food assistance

          Yes, you have been fired from a job in that industry Art.  You shouldn't watch child pornography on the job or you'll get fired again.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 12, 2011, 08:27:55 AM
          How do you make a troll cry ?
          Tell the truth!
          LOL
          Now go back to the train station
          Al those homeless men are waiting for you.. I saw your sign....
          "Balls drained no waiting"
          Very cute
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2011, 08:41:26 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          How do you make a troll cry ?
          Tell the truth!
          LOL
          Now go back to the train station
          Al those homeless men are waiting for you.. I saw your sign....
          "Balls drained no waiting"
          Very cute

          Art I didn't know  you like to shoot your cum in other men's ass.

           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 12, 2011, 11:31:34 AM
          Quote from: "Metallica"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          How do you make a troll cry ?
          Tell the truth!
          LOL
          Now go back to the train station
          Al those homeless men are waiting for you.. I saw your sign....
          "Balls drained no waiting"
          Very cute

          Art I didn't know  you like to shoot your cum in other men's ass.

           And here is the proof LOL
          Thank you for making my point for me LOL
          Losers
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2011, 04:17:57 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          When you and your screen names shut the fuck up
          I go away
          I have never been fired from a job in this industry. The grass was greener elswhere.
          New client,out of town,young boys,kids in new parks,pays very well,hiding is easyer,no past.
          Thinks I walk on water
          Maybe you should try getting a job. Give up your welfare and food assistance


          Sounds like you have to get out of town Arty. To much time on the net at work ? green grass? maybe smoking some. :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 12, 2011, 05:00:27 PM
          Thats pretty distgusting
          You talk alot about sex with children and sex with animals
          You should probably be on some sex offender list
          Plus .....You are all talk... All mouth...The internet would be the ONLY place where you could get away with speaking to anyone this way
          Because you are a coward,and a very small, little man.
          Should you decide to grow a sack,stand up,and pretend to be a man
          You have the address
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2011, 09:36:15 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Thats pretty distgusting
          You talk alot about sex with children and sex with animals
          You should probably be on some sex offender list
          Plus .....You are all talk... All mouth...The internet would be the ONLY place where you could get away with speaking to anyone this way
          Because you are a coward,and a very small, little man.
          Should you decide to grow a sack,stand up,and pretend to be a man
          You have the address
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 13, 2011, 09:43:05 AM
          Goggle myself ?
          Marky/Sharon.. Maybe try that "Hooked on phonics" book. will greatly ernhance your ability to write like an adult
          You are illiterate,and obviously miserable
          Hope you get better
          Both of you
          You must be missing that prison cell you spent so much time in
          But dont you worry
          Pretty sure you are going back!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2011, 01:31:20 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Goggle myself ?
          Marky/Sharon.. Maybe try that "Hooked on phonics" book. will greatly ernhance your ability to write like an adult
          You are illiterate,and obviously miserable
          Hope you get better
          Both of you
          You must be missing that prison cell you spent so much time in
          But dont you worry
          Pretty sure you are going back!


          You talk allot abut sucking cocks on fornits so you would be a "special person" in prison.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 13, 2011, 01:59:09 PM
          Ha funny
          Except I havent broken any laws... I have never been to prison. I dont lie,and I dont cheat or steal
          Have a nice day
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2011, 06:39:51 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Ha funny
          Except I havent broken any laws... I have never been to prison. I dont lie   and I dont cheat or steal
          Have a nice day

          The biggest lie anyone has ever written on fornits!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 13, 2011, 11:01:23 PM
          I think about you, and who we have become, since we met Sharon. You are hardly the nice lady that you used to be. It makes me sad,when others who know you, tell stories about what you have been through,and how you have acted. To this day,I have nothing but fond memories of you,and cant believe what you have pulled,and continue to pull every day.
          I get the whole Babitz thing. He is a drunk,and a fool
          But you are a smart woman
          I heard about your home,and tho I dont know where you are staying,Im sure you are not very comfortable. We are too old for this crap old friend. Thats why I dont live like that anymore. I am certainly no better than anyone,but I gotta think you are better than this. I know your life (mine too) hasnt turned out quite the way you wanted.
          I am reaching my hand out Sharon. I dont think we could be friends,but we dont have to do this every day.
          Whether you sign in as yourself,or any other screen names,we both know the truth. There's really very few people who post here. Most (that I speak to) read the drivel from Babitz and his screen names,and shake their heads. Talk about sentence structure,you are very transparent. You know this too. Because you ARE very smart. Why are you acting like this for 30 some months? I am all done saying I am sorry for who I used to be. Its your choice, whether to accept that apology or not.
          But every day,acting like a child ? You are better than that. This I know for sure.
          I know you and Marky are gonna spin this 47 ways. But what I say is from the heart.
          I knew this old Klickitat Indian once, who told me "in order to become a better person,we have to act like a better person". I believe that,and do my best to do some good every day. I am not claiming perfection.. Marky drags me into his little nightmare of fecal matter,sex with animals and children and frankly,its pretty juvenile.
          I suspect you will have a "not so nice" rebuttle. But I wanted to let you know,that it doesnt have to be this way.
          Havent you had enough bad happen in your life ? I know I have,but not so much any more. In fact its more of a rarity,than the norm any more
          Best wishes
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 14, 2011, 01:09:38 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          I think about you, and who we have become, since we met Sharon. You are hardly the nice lady that you used to be. It makes me sad,when others who know you, tell stories about what you have been through,and how you have acted. To this day,I have nothing but fond memories of you,and cant believe what you have pulled,and continue to pull every day.
          I get the whole Babitz thing. He is a drunk,and a fool
          But you are a smart woman
          I heard about your home,and tho I dont know where you are staying,Im sure you are not very comfortable. We are too old for this crap old friend. Thats why I dont live like that anymore. I am certainly no better than anyone,but I gotta think you are better than this. I know your life (mine too) hasnt turned out quite the way you wanted.
          I am reaching my hand out Sharon. I dont think we could be friends,but we dont have to do this every day.
          Whether you sign in as yourself,or any other screen names,we both know the truth. There's really very few people who post here. Most (that I speak to) read the drivel from Babitz and his screen names,and shake their heads. Talk about sentence structure,you are very transparent. You know this too. Because you ARE very smart. Why are you acting like this for 30 some months? I am all done saying I am sorry for who I used to be. Its your choice, whether to accept that apology or not.
          But every day,acting like a child ? You are better than that. This I know for sure.
          I know you and Marky are gonna spin this 47 ways. But what I say is from the heart.
          I knew this old Klickitat Indian once, who told me "in order to become a better person,we have to act like a better person". I believe that,and do my best to do some good every day. I am not claiming perfection.. Marky drags me into his little nightmare of fecal matter,sex with animals and children and frankly,its pretty juvenile.
          I suspect you will have a "not so nice" rebuttle. But I wanted to let you know,that it doesnt have to be this way.
          Havent you had enough bad happen in your life ? I know I have,but not so much any more. In fact its more of a rarity,than the norm any more
          Best wishes

          Do you want some cheese with your wine?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 14, 2011, 09:03:35 AM
          ["liarsexposed"]I think about you, and who we have become, since we met Sharon. You are hardly the nice lady that you used to be. It makes me sad,when others who know you, tell stories about what you have been through,and how you have acted. To this day,I have nothing but fond memories of you,and cant believe what you have pulled,and continue to pull every day.
          I get the whole Babitz thing. He is a drunk,and a fool
          But you are a smart woman
          I heard about your home,and tho I dont know where you are staying,Im sure you are not very comfortable. We are too old for this crap old friend. Thats why I dont live like that anymore. I am certainly no better than anyone,but I gotta think you are better than this. I know your life (mine too) hasnt turned out quite the way you wanted.
          I am reaching my hand out Sharon. I dont think we could be friends,but we dont have to do this every day.
          Whether you sign in as yourself,or any other screen names,we both know the truth. There's really very few people who post here. Most (that I speak to) read the drivel from Babitz and his screen names,and shake their heads. Talk about sentence structure,you are very transparent. You know this too. Because you ARE very smart. Why are you acting like this for 30 some months? I am all done saying I am sorry for who I used to be. Its your choice, whether to accept that apology or not.
          But every day,acting like a child ? You are better than that. This I know for sure.
          I know you and Marky are gonna spin this 47 ways. But what I say is from the heart.
          I knew this old Klickitat Indian once, who told me "in order to become a better person,we have to act like a better person". I believe that,and do my best to do some good every day. I am not claiming perfection.. Marky drags me into his little nightmare of fecal matter,sex with animals and children and frankly,its pretty juvenile.
          I suspect you will have a "not so nice" rebuttle. But I wanted to let you know,that it doesnt have to be this way.
          Havent you had enough bad happen in your life ? I know I have,but not so much any more. In fact its more of a rarity,than the norm any more
          Best wishes[/quote]

          Sounds like a lonely love letter to a young boy. Sharon hates you Art the molester.were you crying during these
           writings Art?  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 14, 2011, 10:35:56 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          I think about you, and who we have become, since we met Sharon. You are hardly the nice lady that you used to be. It makes me sad,when others who know you, tell stories about what you have been through,and how you have acted. To this day,I have nothing but fond memories of you,and cant believe what you have pulled,and continue to pull every day.
          I get the whole Babitz thing. He is a drunk,and a fool
          But you are a smart woman
          I heard about your home,and tho I dont know where you are staying,Im sure you are not very comfortable. We are too old for this crap old friend. Thats why I dont live like that anymore. I am certainly no better than anyone,but I gotta think you are better than this. I know your life (mine too) hasnt turned out quite the way you wanted.
          I am reaching my hand out Sharon. I dont think we could be friends,but we dont have to do this every day.
          Whether you sign in as yourself,or any other screen names,we both know the truth. There's really very few people who post here. Most (that I speak to) read the drivel from Babitz and his screen names,and shake their heads. Talk about sentence structure,you are very transparent. You know this too. Because you ARE very smart. Why are you acting like this for 30 some months? I am all done saying I am sorry for who I used to be. Its your choice, whether to accept that apology or not.
          But every day,acting like a child ? You are better than that. This I know for sure.
          I know you and Marky are gonna spin this 47 ways. But what I say is from the heart.
          I knew this old Klickitat Indian once, who told me "in order to become a better person,we have to act like a better person". I believe that,and do my best to do some good every day. I am not claiming perfection.. Marky drags me into his little nightmare of fecal matter,sex with animals and children and frankly,its pretty juvenile.
          I suspect you will have a "not so nice" rebuttle. But I wanted to let you know,that it doesnt have to be this way.
          Havent you had enough bad happen in your life ? I know I have,but not so much any more. In fact its more of a rarity,than the norm any more
          Best wishes


          Art you need psychological help bro.  These letters to minors will get you thrown in jail.  You have been there 3 times before.    Dude get your shit together.  professional
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 14, 2011, 10:36:36 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          I think about you, and who we have become, since we met Sharon. You are hardly the nice lady that you used to be. It makes me sad,when others who know you, tell stories about what you have been through,and how you have acted. To this day,I have nothing but fond memories of you,and cant believe what you have pulled,and continue to pull every day.
          I get the whole Babitz thing. He is a drunk,and a fool
          But you are a smart woman
          I heard about your home,and tho I dont know where you are staying,Im sure you are not very comfortable. We are too old for this crap old friend. Thats why I dont live like that anymore. I am certainly no better than anyone,but I gotta think you are better than this. I know your life (mine too) hasnt turned out quite the way you wanted.
          I am reaching my hand out Sharon. I dont think we could be friends,but we dont have to do this every day.
          Whether you sign in as yourself,or any other screen names,we both know the truth. There's really very few people who post here. Most (that I speak to) read the drivel from Babitz and his screen names,and shake their heads. Talk about sentence structure,you are very transparent. You know this too. Because you ARE very smart. Why are you acting like this for 30 some months? I am all done saying I am sorry for who I used to be. Its your choice, whether to accept that apology or not.
          But every day,acting like a child ? You are better than that. This I know for sure.
          I know you and Marky are gonna spin this 47 ways. But what I say is from the heart.
          I knew this old Klickitat Indian once, who told me "in order to become a better person,we have to act like a better person". I believe that,and do my best to do some good every day. I am not claiming perfection.. Marky drags me into his little nightmare of fecal matter,sex with animals and children and frankly,its pretty juvenile.
          I suspect you will have a "not so nice" rebuttle. But I wanted to let you know,that it doesnt have to be this way.
          Havent you had enough bad happen in your life ? I know I have,but not so much any more. In fact its more of a rarity,than the norm any more
          Best wishes


          Art you need psychological help bro.  These letters to minors will get you thrown in jail.  You have been there 3 times before.    Dude get your shit together.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 14, 2011, 11:17:59 AM
          Art,

          Suck a dick man-whore!

          Mark Babitz
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 14, 2011, 01:16:02 PM
          Its ok to piss n moan about the big bad art
          I am obviously all powerful and all knowing
          You are inferior,and obviously feel bad about it
          Spin my little Cum catcher///Dance for me !!!!
          Yer so pretty when you spin and dance for me
          Cant play today girls
          Playing for a LARGE audience on the North Shore
          stay here..Take notes... Dont move
          I want a report when I get back
          LOL
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 14, 2011, 01:26:39 PM
          Babitz is back and sucking dicks better than ever!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 14, 2011, 04:47:03 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Its ok to piss n moan about the big bad art
          I am obviously all powerful and all knowing
          You are inferior,and obviously feel bad about it
          Spin my little Cum catcher///Dance for me !!!!
          Yer so pretty when you spin and dance for me
          Cant play today girls
          Playing for a LARGE audience on the North Shore
          stay here..Take notes... Dont move
          I want a report when I get back
          LOL

          Art you wonder why people rebuttal you.  You are calling them cum catchers!  Please be respectful.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 14, 2011, 05:02:38 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          It is ok for Art to shit and moan about other people.
          I am obviously an all powerful idiot and all knowing cum drinker.
          I am inferior,and obviously feel bad about it.
          Drink my cum and dance for me !
          You are so pretty when you grab my cock and dance for me.
          Cannot play today girls I am having anal sex with men.
          Sucking cocks on the North Shore.
          stay here..Take notes... Dont move.
          I will give you a report when I get back.  
          LOL

          Art you are a true poet.   :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 14, 2011, 09:03:17 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Its ok to piss n moan about the big bad art
          I am obviously all powerful and all knowing
          You are inferior,and obviously feel bad about it
          Spin my little Cum catcher///Dance for me !!!!
          Yer so pretty when you spin and dance for me
          Cant play today girls
          Playing for a LARGE audience on the North Shore
          stay here..Take notes... Dont move
          I want a report when I get back
          LOL


          How do you lie like this in front of everyone ? Do you now God hates people who lie and suck young childrens cocks Art ?  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :deal:  :deal:  :deal:  :deal:  :deal:  :timeout:  :timeout:  :timeout:  :timeout:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2011, 12:23:01 AM
          Art suck a dick you stupid piece of  shit.  How many cocks did you suck on the North Shore today? Did you take people out in your boat and  let them fuck you in the ass?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 15, 2011, 03:18:57 AM
          Awweee how cute
          The kids are acting out
          I made almost 2000 bucks this week. How was your week Marky ?
          Oh thats right... Same as any other week
          Lie = Cheat = Steal = and lets never forget whine about Art
          LOL
          The only reason you have lived this long,is because you are a coward
          You've got a white stain on your shirt Marky
          Wonder what it is?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2011, 04:39:15 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Awweee how cute
          The kids are acting out
          I made almost 2000 bucks this week. How was your week Marky ?
          Oh thats right... Same as any other week
          Lie = Cheat = Steal = and lets never forget whine about Art
          LOL
          The only reason you have lived this long,is because you are a coward
          You've got a white stain on your shirt Marky
          Wonder what it is?

          The white stain on my shirt is your cum shot.  You are a very sick man and need help.  Please take your medicine, stop lying and get honest.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2011, 06:50:16 AM
          Quote from: "art's cum shot"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Awweee how cute
          The kids are acting out
          I made almost 2000 bucks this week. How was your week Marky ?
          Oh thats right... Same as any other week
          Lie = Cheat = Steal = and lets never forget whine about Art
          LOL
          The only reason you have lived this long,is because you are a coward
          You've got a white stain on your shirt Marky
          Wonder what it is?

          The white stain on my shirt is your cum shot.  You are a very sick man and need help.  Please take your medicine, stop lying and get honest.

          Art is lying and framing Marky again.  This has been Art's pattern on fornits for years.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2011, 07:39:03 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Awweee how cute
          The kids are acting out
          I made almost 2000 bucks this week. How was your week Marky ?
          Oh thats right... Same as any other week
          Lie = Cheat = Steal = and lets never forget whine about Art
          LOL
          The only reason you have lived this long,is because you are a coward
          You've got a white stain on your shirt Marky
          Wonder what it is?

          Forget Marky are you going to pay taxes on the money Art ? or just hide it like the rest of your fortune ? Did your mom finally give your Bar Mitzvah money? you always try and change the subject by talking about others how about you Art. lets talk about you and not babbletits or sharon or anyone else.Oh that right you do not know how.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 15, 2011, 09:11:15 AM
          I dont need to lie
          That would be you're dept. You are not very good at it,as I pointed out in a previous post.
          You are very transparrent. You just look for the most hateful thing to say. As if you COULD hurt my feelings,or have any effect on my awesome life
          I do not have the market cornered on a great life. Its you, that chooses to drag your life down by displaying your very hurt self,every chance you get. Its almost as if you were proud of your misery.
          Happy people do not write what you have.
          As for the IRS.. Turn me in. Do it today
          Someone must have stayed up all night,again.
          Got Meth ?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2011, 09:19:28 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          I dont need to lie
          That would be you're dept. You are not very good at it,as I pointed out in a previous post.
          You are very transparrent. You just look for the most hateful thing to say. As if you COULD hurt my feelings,or have any effect on my awesome life
          I do not have the market cornered on a great life. Its you, that chooses to drag your life down by displaying your very hurt self,every chance you get. Its almost as if you were proud of your misery.
          Happy people do not write what you have.
          As for the IRS.. Turn me in. Do it today
          Someone must have stayed up all night,again.
          Got Meth ?

          How many cocks did you suck on the North Shore?  You will need to lie when you answer this question.   :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2011, 09:39:02 AM
          You stupid fucks, we know Art is a liar. He started lying when his mother gave birth to him.   :twofinger:  :twofinger:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 15, 2011, 09:50:03 AM
          Whoever said "big boys/girls dont cry" Has never been to Fornits
          LOL
          Dance for me Loser
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2011, 09:57:33 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Whoever said "big boys/girls dont cry" Has never been to Fornits
          LOL
          Dance for me Loser

          I wonder when Art will leave  fornits?  

           :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :poison:  :poison:  :poison:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:   :poison:  :poison:  :poison:  :poison:  :poison:  :poison:  :poison:  :poison: :jawdrop: :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2011, 10:19:04 AM
          Stemm - Face the Pain   :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat: :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2011, 11:47:23 AM
          Art is going to lie about how many cocks were in his filthy mouth at the North Shore.  He will also lie about money he stole from people when he worked at the junk yard.  Art is a liar and thief.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 15, 2011, 12:53:34 PM
          Quote from: "Art is a liar and thief"
          Art is going to lie about how many cocks were in his filthy mouth at the North Shore.  He will also lie about money he stole from people when he worked at the junk yard.  Art is a liar and thief.

          Yaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwnnnnnnn
          Come on children
          If only you spoke like an adult.....or acted like one.. You might be credible somewhere....Maybe
          But all you seem to do daily is make your self look dumb
          I am VERY ok with that.
          Cry all you like
          while the Losers from elan were all crying about the big bad Art all night..
          The Winners were all in Buffalo Grove cheering us on
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2011, 04:05:29 PM
          Quote from: "liarsswallowscum"
          Quote from: "Art is a liar and thief"
          Art is going to lie about how many cocks were in his filthy mouth at the North Shore.  He will also lie about money he stole from people when he worked at the junk yard.  Art is a liar and thief.

          Yaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwnnnnnnn
          Come on children
          If only you spoke like an adult.....or acted like one.. You might be credible somewhere....Maybe
          But all you seem to do daily is make your self look dumb
          I am VERY ok with that.
          Cry all you like
          while the Losers from elan were all crying about the big bad Art all night..
          The Winners were all in Buffalo Grove cheering us on

          You must have been a loser if you worked at ELAN.   :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 15, 2011, 04:45:08 PM
          You must have been a loser if you worked at ELAN.  
           
          Another poor excuse for your vile behaviors
          In addition.. I am 47 yrs old today. I was 17-18 when I worked at Elan. I dont know anyone that is the same person at 47,that he or she was @ 17
          In other words... Go Fuck Yourself
          The big bad art still ALL Powerful over you ?
          You are a pinhead with serious psychiatric issues TODAY
          I am living life to the fullest... while you stayed up all night to post on Fornits
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2011, 04:57:29 PM
          Quote from: "liarssuckscock"
          You must have been a loser if you worked at ELAN.  
           
          Another poor excuse for your vile behaviors
          In addition.. I am 47 yrs old today. I was 17-18 when I worked at Elan. I dont know anyone that is the same person at 47,that he or she was @ 17
          In other words... Go Fuck Yourself
          The big bad art still ALL Powerful over you ?
          You are a pinhead with serious psychiatric issues TODAY
          I am living life to the fullest... while you stayed up all night to post on Fornits

          Art lies again.  He claims he is living life to the fullest when he argues with people in the offa every day.    :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2011, 07:42:00 PM
          Quote from: "Art claims he's living life to the fullest"
          Quote from: "liarssuckscock"
          You must have been a loser if you worked at ELAN.  
           
          Another poor excuse for your vile behaviors
          In addition.. I am 47 yrs old today. I was 17-18 when I worked at Elan. I dont know anyone that is the same person at 47,that he or she was @ 17
          In other words... Go Fuck Yourself
          The big bad art still ALL Powerful over you ?
          You are a pinhead with serious psychiatric issues TODAY
          I am living life to the fullest... while you stayed up all night to post on Fornits

          Art lies again.  He claims he is living life to the fullest when he argues with people in the offa every day.    :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:


          Great point. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2011, 08:06:13 PM
          The amount of time he spends telling Marky to stop sucking cocks for $1.00, ya wonder if he lives life to the fullest.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 15, 2011, 08:51:58 PM
          Its ok to Cry about the big bad art
          Oh and I SAID .50 cents
          The homeless dont have that kind of money
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2011, 09:26:34 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Its ok to Cry about the big bad art
          Oh and I SAID .50 cents
          The homeless dont have that kind of money

          Art did you charge .50 cents at ELAN when you wanted your digit sucked?    :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2011, 10:25:28 PM
          That is a good question and Art  made me  use Kleenex.    ::OMG::  ::OMG::  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  ::OMG::  ::OMG::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 16, 2011, 06:27:45 AM
          I bet you spend more money on Kleenex than anyone else I know
          Why do you cry every day all day ?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 16, 2011, 08:36:16 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          I bet you spend more money on Kleenex than anyone else I know
          Why do you cry every day all day ?

          Why do you come here all day threw out the day Art the man of success.? :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 16, 2011, 08:38:19 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          I bet you spend more money on Kleenex than anyone else I know
          Why do you cry every day all day ?


          How about you Art.? aren't you so busy?   :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 16, 2011, 08:51:24 AM
          Why do you come here all day threw out the day Art the man of success.?
           
          Showing off your lack of eductaion again ?.. Its throughout Sharon/Marky
           
          How about you Art.? aren't you so busy
           
          I am never too busy to hand you you're ass. Its very simple process. Each time you post anything,you make a fool of yourself to yer pal(s) who post here. All 3 of you !
          Now get that sippy cup,and try to make it to the potty today,so you're excrement doesnt land all over the internet
          A guy can only laugh so much at you
          Gimme a break

          PS. I dont have anyone to answer to but my customers. They are very happy with me.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 16, 2011, 05:44:19 PM
          ahh yes..
          another Screen name..
          but the same ole loser(s)
          Maybe you caould tell Psy he needs to call you or you'll kill yourself.. Or better yet
          Joe Gerald.Jeff Cooper,Doug Greg,Joe Jarrell,Carl Shure.. Or Perhaps even your pal Ginger can help save the day.You are a
          Nothing less than a Fraud. Thats what started this.. That's what keeps it alive
          Your daily (transparrent) trolling and every day Lies...
          Here's to hoping Psy cant be reached!
          That would be a failure that everyone you've ever come in contact with, can live with
          If only you spent this amount of time,caring for your children... You just might still have them
          Yes
          Yes
          Yes
          NOW I am on your level
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 16, 2011, 08:03:43 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          ahh yes..
          another Screen name..
          but the same ole loser(s)
          Maybe you caould tell Psy he needs to call you or you'll kill yourself.. Or better yet
          Joe Gerald.Jeff Cooper,Doug Greg,Joe Jarrell,Carl Shure.. Or Perhaps even your pal Ginger can help save the day.You are a
          Nothing less than a Fraud. Thats what started this.. That's what keeps it alive
          Your daily (transparrent) trolling and every day Lies...
          Here's to hoping Psy cant be reached!
          That would be a failure that everyone you've ever come in contact with, can live with
          If only you spent this amount of time,caring for your children... You just might still have them
          Yes
          Yes
          Yes
          NOW I am on your level


          How does one so wise have time for any  of this.? :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide: Do it Art you will feel better. :suicide:  :suicide:  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs: more Art :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on May 16, 2011, 10:47:31 PM
          DAM  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: fArty ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: , looks like you have been getting your  :moon: handed to you BIG TIME!! :o  :o  :o
          You sure do know how to make friends when I am not around for a few days or more.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          When are you going to learn  :moon:  :moon: fArt Wartshitsky :moon:  :moon: that everytime you open your mouth, you will get your ass hand fed to you :rasta:  :rasta: You are OWNED by us all!!! :jawdrop:

          What I find real funny is how you can only make yourself happy by going onto the internet and coming to fornits and pretend that you are something you are not, nor would never come close to being. :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  Most people that have crappy lives learn to accept it. But you being the mental case that you were born with have to live a life of pretending on the internet.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:   :suicide:  :suicide: fArt :suicide:  :suicide:  you are a low life. You are nothing but the scum that collects on the bottom of a barrel filled with diseased infested, old stale water, that feeds of the bottom of the barrel.  :roflmao:  ::puke::  And I mean that in the nicest way.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          Yea I know  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: fArt ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  you will most likley come back with some crappy come back like you always do. Most likley just copy and paste like you always do with your crappy typing skills to boot.  :rofl:  :rofl:  If not tonight, probably tomorrow cause I'm sure you are occupied with a huge cock in your mouth at the moment and a bottle drowing your sorrows.  :twofinger: You over weight, child porn watching, glorified row boat, shit eating captian, who sits his fat body in a row boat that takes on water cause you are so fat, while safely off shore pleasuring yourself while you peer through binoculars at some children in bathing suits playing on the shore line. Fella, you are one sick fuck!!! ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2011, 12:18:09 AM
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          DAM  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: fArty ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: , looks like you have been getting your  :moon: handed to you BIG TIME!! :o  :o  :o
          You sure do know how to make friends when I am not around for a few days or more.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          When are you going to learn  :moon:  :moon: fArt Wartshitsky :moon:  :moon: that everytime you open your mouth, you will get your ass hand fed to you :rasta:  :rasta: You are OWNED by us all!!! :jawdrop:

          What I find real funny is how you can only make yourself happy by going onto the internet and coming to fornits and pretend that you are something you are not, nor would never come close to being. :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  Most people that have crappy lives learn to accept it. But you being the mental case that you were born with have to live a life of pretending on the internet.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:   :suicide:  :suicide: fArt :suicide:  :suicide:  you are a low life. You are nothing but the scum that collects on the bottom of a barrel filled with diseased infested, old stale water, that feeds of the bottom of the barrel.  :roflmao:  ::puke::  And I mean that in the nicest way.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          Yea I know  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: fArt ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  you will most likley come back with some crappy come back like you always do. Most likley just copy and paste like you always do with your crappy typing skills to boot.  :rofl:  :rofl:  If not tonight, probably tomorrow cause I'm sure you are occupied with a huge cock in your mouth at the moment and a bottle drowing your sorrows.  :twofinger: You over weight, child porn watching, glorified row boat, shit eating captian, who sits his fat body in a row boat that takes on water cause you are so fat, while safely off shore pleasuring yourself while you peer through binoculars at some children in bathing suits playing on the shore line. Fella, you are one sick fuck!!! ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::

          Art will lie about having a huge cock in his mouth.  He has a history of lying but will not admit it.  Art watches child porn?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 17, 2011, 07:17:43 AM
          YAAAAAAAAAAAWWNNNNNNNNN
          You are a waste of bandwidth.. Just like your other screen names.
          But Ive gotten to the point where I have an expectation you will shit,and vomit all over the internet because of your
          P O W E R L E S S N E S S
          It may be a "recovery word". But I cant think of a better word to describe you,yourscreen names,and your little hate group.
          Keep crying .. Its you!
          Anyone know if Psy Called Sharon ?
          LOL
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2011, 12:44:05 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          YAAAAAAAAAAAWWNNNNNNNNN
          You are a waste of bandwidth.. Just like your other screen names.
          But Ive gotten to the point where I have an expectation you will shit,and vomit all over the internet because of your
          P O W E R L E S S N E S S
          It may be a "recovery word". But I cant think of a better word to describe you,yourscreen names,and your little hate group.
          Keep crying .. Its you!
          Anyone know if Psy Called Sharon ?
          LOL

          Art copy n' paste again.  LOL   :cheers:  :cheers: ::OMG::  ::OMG:: :twofinger:  :twofinger:  ::OMG::  ::OMG:: :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 17, 2011, 12:54:28 PM
          The Elan Reporter wrote:
          DAM   fArty   , looks like you have been getting your  handed to you BIG TIME!!    
          You sure do know how to make friends when I am not around for a few days or more.      

          When are you going to learn   fArt Wartshitsky   that everytime you open your mouth, you will get your ass hand fed to you   You are OWNED by us all!!!  

          What I find real funny is how you can only make yourself happy by going onto the internet and coming to fornits and pretend that you are something you are not, nor would never come close to being.    Most people that have crappy lives learn to accept it. But you being the mental case that you were born with have to live a life of pretending on the internet.      fArt   you are a low life. You are nothing but the scum that collects on the bottom of a barrel filled with diseased infested, old stale water, that feeds of the bottom of the barrel.   And I mean that in the nicest way.    

          Yea I know   fArt   you will most likley come back with some crappy come back like you always do. Most likley just copy and paste like you always do with your crappy typing skills to boot.   If not tonight, probably tomorrow cause I'm sure you are occupied with a huge cock in your mouth at the moment and a bottle drowing your sorrows.  You over weight, child porn watching, glorified row boat, shit eating captian, who sits his fat body in a row boat that takes on water cause you are so fat, while safely off shore pleasuring yourself while you peer through binoculars at some children in bathing suits playing on the shore line. Fella, you are one sick fuck!!!  

          What kind of person posts about adults having sex with children ?
          That would be Sharon's pal Marky

          Whats wrong Marky ?  Afraid to own your rantings >? Why hide behind a ficticious name.. Its just the 3 of us
          You need help pal
          Lead poisoning would be a waste of good lead
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2011, 01:01:54 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          The Elan Reporter wrote:
          DAM   fArty   , looks like you have been getting your  handed to you BIG TIME!!    
          You sure do know how to make friends when I am not around for a few days or more.      

          When are you going to learn   fArt Wartshitsky   that everytime you open your mouth, you will get your ass hand fed to you   You are OWNED by us all!!!  

          What I find real funny is how you can only make yourself happy by going onto the internet and coming to fornits and pretend that you are something you are not, nor would never come close to being.    Most people that have crappy lives learn to accept it. But you being the mental case that you were born with have to live a life of pretending on the internet.      fArt   you are a low life. You are nothing but the scum that collects on the bottom of a barrel filled with diseased infested, old stale water, that feeds of the bottom of the barrel.   And I mean that in the nicest way.    

          Yea I know   fArt   you will most likley come back with some crappy come back like you always do. Most likley just copy and paste like you always do with your crappy typing skills to boot.   If not tonight, probably tomorrow cause I'm sure you are occupied with a huge cock in your mouth at the moment and a bottle drowing your sorrows.  You over weight, child porn watching, glorified row boat, shit eating captian, who sits his fat body in a row boat that takes on water cause you are so fat, while safely off shore pleasuring yourself while you peer through binoculars at some children in bathing suits playing on the shore line. Fella, you are one sick fuck!!!  

          What kind of person posts about adults having sex with children ?
          That would be Sharon's pal Marky

          Whats wrong Marky ?  Afraid to own your rantings >? Why hide behind a ficticious name.. Its just the 3 of us
          You need help pal
          Lead poisoning would be a waste of good lead

          Art, I don't hide behind fake screen names.  You are the one who has done that for years now.  How many cocks did you suck on the North Shore?  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2011, 01:08:13 PM
          :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  ::fullofshit:: ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::

          That is a good question Marky.  You should ask Art how much child porn he watches.  He mails me allot of it.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2011, 01:41:49 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          YAAAAAAAAAAAWWNNNNNNNNN
          You are a waste of bandwidth.. Just like your other screen names.
          But Ive gotten to the point where I have an expectation you will shit,and vomit all over the internet because of your
          P O W E R L E S S N E S S
          It may be a "recovery word". But I cant think of a better word to describe you,yourscreen names,and your little hate group.
          Keep crying .. Its you!
          Anyone know if Psy Called Sharon ?
          LOL

          They keep teasing me :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa: I won't stop if they don't. See how you sound Art.? :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp: At least admit without your computer you are powerless. Take the first step Farty. :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  I can not believe how the Elan Reporter Just keeps handing you your ass and you don't fight back. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :seg:


          The Reporter knows all about and can prove it so you hide from the Reporter hoping  everything wont come out. The Reporter owns you Art and you can't take it so you fight with all the wrong people in a vengeance to the Reporter. :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa: :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers: The Reporter only speaks the truth about you Art. :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2011, 01:45:32 PM
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          DAM  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: fArty ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: , looks like you have been getting your  :moon: handed to you BIG TIME!! :o  :o  :o
          You sure do know how to make friends when I am not around for a few days or more.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          When are you going to learn  :moon:  :moon: fArt Wartshitsky :moon:  :moon: that everytime you open your mouth, you will get your ass hand fed to you :rasta:  :rasta: You are OWNED by us all!!! :jawdrop:

          What I find real funny is how you can only make yourself happy by going onto the internet and coming to fornits and pretend that you are something you are not, nor would never come close to being. :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  Most people that have crappy lives learn to accept it. But you being the mental case that you were born with have to live a life of pretending on the internet.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:   :suicide:  :suicide: fArt :suicide:  :suicide:  you are a low life. You are nothing but the scum that collects on the bottom of a barrel filled with diseased infested, old stale water, that feeds of the bottom of the barrel.  :roflmao:  ::puke::  And I mean that in the nicest way.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          Yea I know  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: fArt ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  you will most likley come back with some crappy come back like you always do. Most likley just copy and paste like you always do with your crappy typing skills to boot.  :rofl:  :rofl:  If not tonight, probably tomorrow cause I'm sure you are occupied with a huge cock in your mouth at the moment and a bottle drowing your sorrows.  :twofinger: You over weight, child porn watching, glorified row boat, shit eating captian, who sits his fat body in a row boat that takes on water cause you are so fat, while safely off shore pleasuring yourself while you peer through binoculars at some children in bathing suits playing on the shore line. Fella, you are one sick fuck!!! ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::


           :cheers:  :cheers:We are grateful to the Elan reporter for keeping Art Warshitsky in check. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:

          Thank You Elan Reporter. :rocker:  :rocker:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2011, 01:47:34 PM
          You mean for feeding him. They feed offfa each other
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 17, 2011, 02:15:49 PM
          They is crying still
          that whole tell the truth thing is tough on them
          You stop.. I go away
          But Marky and Sharon dont want to stop.. This is where they get their attention from
          This is where I defend myself
          Which came 1st .. the chicken or the egg
          Or Marky's Oral abilities
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2011, 04:29:30 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          You must have been a loser if you worked at ELAN.  
           
          Another poor excuse for your vile behaviors
          In addition.. I am 47 yrs old today. I was 17-18 when I worked at Elan. I dont know anyone that is the same person at 47,that he or she was @ 17
          In other words... Go Fuck Yourself
          The big bad art still ALL Powerful over you ?
          You are a pinhead with serious psychiatric issues TODAY
          I am living life to the fullest... while you stayed up all night to post on Fornits

          Art you are the same person now compared to now when you worked at ELAN.   ::OMG:: :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :suicide:  :poison:  :poison:  ::OMG::  ::OMG::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 17, 2011, 04:46:26 PM
          LOL
          Now thats a pretty good smoke screen
          Tell the truth girls
          You cant lie ALL the time
          Or can you
          Losers
          I havent had a drink in many years
          Or I would turn into Marky.. The drunken Cumbubbler
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 17, 2011, 04:47:58 PM
          Sharon must be very excited
          She learned how to post pictures last year
          But she didnt cover her ass very well
          Marky ? Why didnt you teach Sharon how to hide an IP
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2011, 05:26:55 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          LOL
          Now thats a pretty good smoke screen
          Tell the truth girls
          You cant lie ALL the time
          Or can you
          Losers
          I havent had a drink in many years

          Or I would turn into Marky.. The drunken Cumbubbler

          More lies.  ::OMG::  ::OMG::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 17, 2011, 06:05:39 PM
          LOL
          Like you even know me.. Temper temper little ones
          Its been 16 years to be exact
          Could you be a bigger loser ?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2011, 06:29:00 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          LOL
          Like you even know me.. Temper temper little ones
          Its been 16 minutes to be exact
          Could you be a bigger loser ?

          Now we are getting somewhere.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 17, 2011, 06:45:42 PM
          Are you seeing a therapist for your obvious obsession ?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2011, 06:51:47 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Are you seeing a therapist for your obvious obsession ?

          Listen son, I'm fucking tired of your shit on fornits.  Lets settle this like men in court.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2011, 07:11:10 PM
          Quote from: "Marky"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Are you seeing a therapist for your obvious obsession ?

          Listen son, I'm fucking tired of your shit on fornits.  Lets settle this like men in court.

          You can't stop Art you just go on and on.
          Everyone knows you as a piece of shit what are you defending here.??
          You are an abuser better it be heard here than a court room. :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:
           :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :tup:  :tup:  :tup:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2011, 07:14:38 PM
          Art I only have one troll name, now go fuck yourself.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 17, 2011, 07:38:02 PM
          YES I know.. I am horrible
          All 2-3 of you dont like me
          Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
          suck a cock bitch
          You were a nothing 25 years ago,and you are less today
          In fact you and Marky together are only good for one thing
          Bastard kids,and more lies
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2011, 07:42:17 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          YES I know.. I am horrible
          All 2-3 of you dont like me
          Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
          suck a cock bitch
          You were a nothing 25 years ago,and you are less today
          In fact you and Marky together are only good for one thing
          Bastard kids,and more lies


          Why wont you go away????? :timeout:  :timeout:  :timeout:  :timeout:  :timeout:  :timeout:  :timeout:  :timeout:  :timeout:  :timeout:  :timeout:  :timeout:  :timeout:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: Your a stalker. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2011, 07:43:39 PM
          Quote from: "Arts demonds"
          Quote from: "Marky"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Are you seeing a therapist for your obvious obsession ?

          Listen son, I'm fucking tired of your shit on fornits.  Lets settle this like men in court.

          You can't stop Art you just go on and on.
          Everyone knows you as a piece of shit what are you defending here.??
          You are an abuser better it be heard here than a court room. :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:
           :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :tup:  :tup:  :tup:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:
          ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::evil::  ::evil::  ::evil::  ::evil::  ::evil::  ::evil::  :P  :P  :P  :P  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :P  :P  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2011, 07:45:27 PM
          Quote from: "Arts Demonds"
          Quote from: "Arts demonds"
          Quote from: "Marky"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Are you seeing a therapist for your obvious obsession ?

          Listen son, I'm fucking tired of your shit on fornits.  Lets settle this like men in court.

          You can't stop Art you just go on and on.
          Everyone knows you as a piece of shit what are you defending here.??
          You are an abuser better it be heard here than a court room. :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:
           :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :tup:  :tup:  :tup:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :heartbreak:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:
          ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::evil::  ::evil::  ::evil::  ::evil::  ::evil::  ::evil::  :P  :P  :P  :P  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :P  :P  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:


          Getting your Fat Ass handed to you Art ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG:: You just can't get a break. :cheers:  :cheers:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :on phone:  :on phone:  :on phone:  :on phone:  :on phone:  :on phone:  :on phone:  :on phone:  :on phone:  :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2011, 07:56:26 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          YES I know.. I am horrible
          All 2-3 of you dont like me
          Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
          suck a cock bitch
          You were a nothing 25 years ago,and you are less today
          In fact you and Marky together are only good for one thing
          Bastard kids,and more lies

          Fart I just realized I have 5 troll names.  Your mother and I had bastard kids together, you were one of them.   ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG:: :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 17, 2011, 08:28:59 PM
          Ya know
          I just realized,I woulda been your daddy, but the dog beat me over the fence
          Phew I feel like I just dodged a bullet
          Its been fun.. I made 2900.00 bucks today
          I dispelled several lies
          ?I had you pinning like a spun monkey for how many hours ?
          I almost feel bad..
          Messing with an obvious retard and all
          Well,theres always tomorrow fool
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2011, 09:47:37 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Ya know
          I just realized,I woulda been your daddy, but the dog beat me over the fence
          Phew I feel like I just dodged a bullet
          Its been fun.. I made 2900.00 bucks today
          I dispelled several lies
          ?I had you pinning like a spun monkey for how many hours ?
          I almost feel bad..
          Messing with an obvious retard and all
          Well,theres always tomorrow fool

          Art the only way you could make $2900 in one day would be sucking allot of cock and selling alcohol to minors.  What am I thinking, you drank all the booze.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on May 17, 2011, 11:51:20 PM
          ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: fArt ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  lets take a trip back down memory lane, when you worked as staff at elan. what was the name of the student who was a "corner person" at the time who basically beat the shit out of you? You remember him don't you fArt :rasta:  :rasta:  He punched you in the face and you fell down on the floor and started  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          Was that the reason why you left elan :rasta:  Or was it a combination of things, like Kruglik touching you, making you do things with him you didn't want to :rasta:  Grooming you to be a child molestor ::puke::  ::puke:: Id that why this corner person punched you in the face and knocked you down :rasta:  Because you tried touching him in a place that is deemed (I N A P R O P R I A T E)  :rasta:  :rasta:  DID YOU REALLY  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  LIKE A LITTLE GIRL  after he punched you in the face and knocked you down :rasta:  Was the  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  caused by the pain or cause you got (H U M I L U A T E D) :rasta:  :rasta:  I do know that the corner person you knocked you down was smaller then you, and you (A S S U M E D) he was weaker then you. But it all back fired on your ass cause his S.P. ( Support Person) sold you out in a heart beat to Joe Ricci and the mystery corner persons parents were notified, however Joe went to bat for you and convinced them not to press charges.

          Let's discuss this incident fArt Warshitsky, inquiring minds would love to hear the story. :cheers:

          You then left elan shortly after, returning to your home town only to now be a monster to little children and homeless street women of the night, trying to stay afloat and make a buck to keep a roof over their heads at cheap motel rooms. The same cheap motel rooms that you frequent still to this day with minors, luring them with promise of drugs and alcohol. Di you really rape a 16 year old runaway girl 7 years ago :rasta:  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG:: You know something  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  you really are a sick, twisted, disturbed person. :soapbox:  Everything said and read about you is 99.9% true. :seg2:  From raping minors, to grilling fecal matter on your grill with the company of manniquins and inflateable dolls, you really live a disturbing life style fella.  ::OMG::  I think it is only a matter of time before someone winds up beating the crap out of you again fella, and your fat ass falls to the ground  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa: . I'm sure you most likley got beat up not long ago, but ofcoarse you would never share that online cause it would ruin your pretending image you share on the web.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  When you die, I will be the first person to piss all over your tombstone, maybe even shit on it too!!! :roflmao:  :roflmao:  Your tombstone should read "Here lies fArt wartshitski, child molestor, shit eater, who lived a decieving life on the internet in a lame attempt to make himself feel better"  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

           :twofinger:  :twofinger: fArty :twofinger:  :twofinger: Wartshitsky ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::

           :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  You sick freak.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2011, 11:52:43 PM
          ART.  Stop sending me child porn or I'll sue your ass in court.   :soapbox:  :soapbox:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 18, 2011, 07:31:32 AM
          ER.. What could I say to what you wrote... You should seek help or kill yourself
          I only skimmed through it and you are one nasty,disturbing little man
          I hope it was good for you
          Andy = Good choice
          Its the Marky and Sharon Show.. Starring Sharon (drive a truck through her kitty) Mcarthy (the cunt)
          and Marky (Suck-a-Cock) Babbletits with spooge on your shirt
          Gonna be a long day girls
          Make it count !
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2011, 08:27:12 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          ER.. What could I say to what you wrote... You should seek help or kill yourself
          I only skimmed through it and you are one nasty,disturbing little man
          I hope it was good for you
          Andy = Good choice
          Its the Marky and Sharon Show.. Starring Sharon (drive a truck through her kitty) Mcarthy (the cunt)
          and Marky (Suck-a-Cock) Babbletits with spooge on your shirt
          Gonna be a long day girls
          Make it count !

          Is there truth to anything ER said in his/her last reply?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 18, 2011, 08:48:14 AM
          ER.. Sharon.. Marky..
          Wouldnt know the truth if it fell on them
          Title: ER
          Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2011, 03:42:30 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          ER.. Sharon.. Marky..
          Wouldnt know the truth if it fell on them

          viewtopic.php?f=22&t=29840&start=2640#p400962 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=29840&start=2640#p400962) > You directly refused to answer the question honestly.  This is why people assume you're a liar.  Was there any truth to ER's statement?  What is a corner person and what was your role in that?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 18, 2011, 04:18:04 PM
          30 years ago I worked for Elan.
          You want to know more. Call me on the phone,or meet me in person
          I am not avoiding anything
          Its pretty well-known that I was one of the good guys. Despite what the cretins say here @ Fornits.
          Believe me,dont bellieve me.. I really dont care
          THis is all a game to these idiots.. because they have nothing better to do
          These morons are not just the failures from Elan,but in life itself
          Which is evident by the descriptive posts about anal sex and sex with children
          Who even could think up that shit ?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2011, 05:03:13 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          30 years ago I worked for Elan.
          You want to know more. Call me on the phone,or meet me in person
          I am not avoiding anything
          Its pretty well-known that I was one of the good guys. Despite what the cretins say here @ Fornits.
          Believe me,dont bellieve me.. I really dont care
          THis is all a game to these idiots.. because they have nothing better to do
          These morons are not just the failures from Elan,but in life itself
          Which is evident by the descriptive posts about anal sex and sex with children
          Who even could think up that shit ?

          What do you mean by one of the good guys?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 18, 2011, 05:25:44 PM
          You want to know more. Call me on the phone,or meet me in person
          What part of that didnt you get ?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2011, 05:38:09 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          You want to know more. Call me on the phone,or meet me in person
          What part of that didnt you get ?

          You obviously have something to hide, Art.  The other way to look at it would be leaving nothing that would incriminate you morally or otherwise.  I assume your lawyer directed you to do that. ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2011, 05:39:16 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          30 years ago I worked for Elan.
          You want to know more. Call me on the phone,or meet me in person
          I am not avoiding anything
          Its pretty well-known that I was one of the good guys. Despite what the cretins say here @ Fornits.
          Believe me,dont bellieve me.. I really dont care
          THis is all a game to these idiots.. because they have nothing better to do
          These morons are not just the failures from Elan,but in life itself
          Which is evident by the descriptive posts about anal sex and sex with children
          Who even could think up that shit ?

          You are known as one of Elans biggest stalkers and abuser's Google yourself you animal. :fuckoff:  :karma:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 18, 2011, 05:51:03 PM
          You are known as one of Elans biggest stalkers and abuser's Google yourself you animal.
           
          Awweee how could I have thought someone else came to fornits MArky/Sharoni
          Whatever is on Google.. You two mental midgets put there
          I am gonna help you repair that
          ASSume anything you like.. But when your children are taken away,because you, are being led away in handcuffs. What do you think Babitz advice is gonne be after that?
          Shut down your hatesites x's 7
          Shut down your comedy site
          Shut down your nasty spawn's site
          Do you really want this to go that way. I prefer to NOT spend the money. But unlike you and Marky.. I'll make more
          If your memory fails you
          You should think long and hard about what you are doing,what you have done,and what you continue to do
          I did not theaten you last time.. I gave you an opportunity that you squandered.
          dont make the same mistake
          I promise you that you will come out of this worse off than you are (if even possible)
          Marky.. give me a reason to pursue you
          No more warnings
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2011, 05:55:44 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          You are known as one of Elans biggest stalkers and abuser's Google yourself you animal.
           
          Awweee how could I have thought someone else came to fornits MArky/Sharoni
          Whatever is on Google.. You two mental midgets put there
          I am gonna help you repair that
          ASSume anything you like.. But when your children are taken away,because you, are being led away in handcuffs. What do you think Babitz advice is gonne be after that?
          Shut down your hatesites x's 7
          Shut down your comedy site
          Shut down your nasty spawn's site
          Do you really want this to go that way. I prefer to NOT spend the money. But unlike you and Marky.. I'll make more
          If your memory fails you
          You should think long and hard about what you are doing,what you have done,and what you continue to do
          I did not theaten you last time.. I gave you an opportunity that you squandered.
          dont make the same mistake
          I promise you that you will come out of this worse off than you are (if even possible)
          Marky.. give me a reason to pursue you
          No more warnings

          Calm down fart nobody can see you rants on fornits.  You shouldn't be worried about anything right?  You can threaten people all you want you sexy hunk of a man.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2011, 06:05:29 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          You are known as one of Elans biggest stalkers and abuser's Google yourself you animal.
           
          Awweee how could I have thought someone else came to fornits MArky/Sharoni
          Whatever is on Google.. You two mental midgets put there
          I am gonna help you repair that
          ASSume anything you like.. But when your children are taken away,because you, are being led away in handcuffs. What do you think Babitz advice is gonne be after that?
          Shut down your hatesites x's 7
          Shut down your comedy site
          Shut down your nasty spawn's site
          Do you really want this to go that way. I prefer to NOT spend the money. But unlike you and Marky.. I'll make more
          If your memory fails you
          You should think long and hard about what you are doing,what you have done,and what you continue to do
          I did not theaten you last time.. I gave you an opportunity that you squandered.
          dont make the same mistake
          I promise you that you will come out of this worse off than you are (if even possible)
          Marky.. give me a reason to pursue you
          No more warnings

          Art calling people names, insulting them and making false claims = defamation of character.  This is nothing more than you attempting to intimidate people.  LOL   ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2011, 06:07:45 PM
          Anyone notice notice when people ask him questions about ELAN he gets defensive?  Watch out he might give you "The high hard one!"
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2011, 06:27:55 PM
          Quote from: "Good Guy's ???"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          30 years ago I worked for Elan.
          You want to know more. Call me on the phone,or meet me in person
          I am not avoiding anything
          Its pretty well-known that I was one of the good guys. Despite what the cretins say here @ Fornits.
          Believe me,dont bellieve me.. I really dont care
          THis is all a game to these idiots.. because they have nothing better to do
          These morons are not just the failures from Elan,but in life itself
          Which is evident by the descriptive posts about anal sex and sex with children
          Who even could think up that shit ?

          You are known as one of Elans biggest stalkers and abuser's Google yourself you animal. :fuckoff:  :karma:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:

          I agree!   :twofinger:  :twofinger:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2011, 06:36:34 PM
          I would be asking Art allot of questions if he abused me.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2011, 06:43:14 PM
          Quote
          You are known as one of Elans biggest stalkers and abuser's Google yourself you animal.

          Can somebody elaborate on this?  Thanks
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2011, 07:37:58 PM
          Art hasn't threatened anyone in over an hour.  Miracle!   :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2011, 10:54:49 PM
          Marky give him time he's out touching somebody.   Art we have one question for you.  Saline or silicone?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 19, 2011, 05:57:31 AM
          Quote from: "Intimidate"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          You are known as one of Elans biggest stalkers and abuser's Google yourself you animal.
           
          Awweee how could I have thought someone else came to fornits MArky/Sharoni
          Whatever is on Google.. You two mental midgets put there
          I am gonna help you repair that
          ASSume anything you like.. But when your children are taken away,because you, are being led away in handcuffs. What do you think Babitz advice is gonne be after that?
          Shut down your hatesites x's 7
          Shut down your comedy site
          Shut down your nasty spawn's site
          Do you really want this to go that way. I prefer to NOT spend the money. But unlike you and Marky.. I'll make more
          If your memory fails you
          You should think long and hard about what you are doing,what you have done,and what you continue to do
          I did not theaten you last time.. I gave you an opportunity that you squandered.
          dont make the same mistake
          I promise you that you will come out of this worse off than you are (if even possible)
          Marky.. give me a reason to pursue you
          No more warnings

          Art calling people names, insulting them and making false claims = defamation of character.  This is nothing more than you attempting to intimidate people.  LOL   ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::


          Art's 500th threat on Fornits, how come you never threaten the Elan Reorter.?
          He owns you Art and will tell everyone,you fear the Reporter. No Warning. :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa: Do you think Sharon and Marky pee when they laugh at you Art.? :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :lala:  :lala:  :lala:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  ???  ???  ???  ???  ???  ???  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 19, 2011, 06:01:17 AM
          Quote from: "elaborate on this"
          Quote
          You are known as one of Elans biggest stalkers and abuser's Google yourself you animal.

          Can somebody elaborate on this?  Thanks

          Just read the history of Big Bad Fart on the Web. :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox: He never stop's. :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp: Art's the King of internet stalking. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 19, 2011, 07:30:12 AM
          http://th1031.photobucket.com/albums/y3 ... icture.jpg (http://th1031.photobucket.com/albums/y376/fuckyouasshole1/th_ArtWarshawskypicture.jpg)

          The FACE OF THE ENEMY!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 19, 2011, 07:50:09 AM
          Art posted this on his facebook wall:

          Quote
          people who like to tie themselves up with strands of their moms hair and touch themselves to pictures of their dad while getting frisky with their dog....post below.....
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 19, 2011, 09:02:59 AM
          Stop being heathens.  Morons.  Idiots.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 19, 2011, 12:13:24 PM
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: fArt ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  lets take a trip back down memory lane, when you worked as staff at elan. what was the name of the student who was a "corner person" at the time who basically beat the shit out of you? You remember him don't you fArt :rasta:  :rasta:  He punched you in the face and you fell down on the floor and started  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          Was that the reason why you left elan :rasta:  Or was it a combination of things, like Kruglik touching you, making you do things with him you didn't want to :rasta:  Grooming you to be a child molestor ::puke::  ::puke:: Id that why this corner person punched you in the face and knocked you down :rasta:  Because you tried touching him in a place that is deemed (I N A P R O P R I A T E)  :rasta:  :rasta:  DID YOU REALLY  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  LIKE A LITTLE GIRL  after he punched you in the face and knocked you down :rasta:  Was the  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  caused by the pain or cause you got (H U M I L U A T E D) :rasta:  :rasta:  I do know that the corner person you knocked you down was smaller then you, and you (A S S U M E D) he was weaker then you. But it all back fired on your ass cause his S.P. ( Support Person) sold you out in a heart beat to Joe Ricci and the mystery corner persons parents were notified, however Joe went to bat for you and convinced them not to press charges.

          Let's discuss this incident fArt Warshitsky, inquiring minds would love to hear the story. :cheers:

          You then left elan shortly after, returning to your home town only to now be a monster to little children and homeless street women of the night, trying to stay afloat and make a buck to keep a roof over their heads at cheap motel rooms. The same cheap motel rooms that you frequent still to this day with minors, luring them with promise of drugs and alcohol. Di you really rape a 16 year old runaway girl 7 years ago :rasta:  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG:: You know something  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  you really are a sick, twisted, disturbed person. :soapbox:  Everything said and read about you is 99.9% true. :seg2:  From raping minors, to grilling fecal matter on your grill with the company of manniquins and inflateable dolls, you really live a disturbing life style fella.  ::OMG::  I think it is only a matter of time before someone winds up beating the crap out of you again fella, and your fat ass falls to the ground  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa: . I'm sure you most likley got beat up not long ago, but ofcoarse you would never share that online cause it would ruin your pretending image you share on the web.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  When you die, I will be the first person to piss all over your tombstone, maybe even shit on it too!!! :roflmao:  :roflmao:  Your tombstone should read "Here lies fArt wartshitski, child molestor, shit eater, who lived a decieving life on the internet in a lame attempt to make himself feel better"  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

           :twofinger:  :twofinger: fArty :twofinger:  :twofinger: Wartshitsky ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::

           :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  You sick freak.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 19, 2011, 12:46:37 PM
          You guys are doing well on your "program therapy."  What a bunch  of ungrateful morons.  Go write your treatment plans over again or suck  cocks for $$$ today.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 19, 2011, 01:33:06 PM
          Remember children, 50 cents per cock. I will be back in 6 hours for a report.  Go to your therapy  appointments, take your meds and suck cocks.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 22, 2011, 10:56:20 AM
          http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9 ... Q_cZkY-x9P (http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQK3BQlHOA2dZ7MI06wazpX2Tvt3KeNnniWsxF8jGQ_cZkY-x9P)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2011, 10:16:06 AM
          Quote from: "Art can't stop"
          http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQK3BQlHOA2dZ7MI06wazpX2Tvt3KeNnniWsxF8jGQ_cZkY-x9P

          Maybe Art Warshtsky has finally taken his Abusive ass and left, :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :karma:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :whip:  :whip:  :whip:  :whip:  :whip:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :flip:  :flip:  :flip:  :flip:  :flip:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  :smashcomp:  O0  O0  O0  O0  O0  O0  O0  O0  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG:: By Art.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 27, 2011, 11:52:51 AM
          must be very hard for sharon or marky to type with a fat cock in their mouths
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 27, 2011, 11:54:46 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          must be very hard for sharon or marky to type with a fat cock in their mouths
          the only abuse here is what you 2 emotional cripples give out
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on May 31, 2011, 09:48:45 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          must be very hard for sharon or marky to type with a fat cock in their mouths
          the only abuse here is what you 2 emotional cripples give out
          :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Dethgurl on June 04, 2011, 01:29:38 AM
          SUICIDE: A Civil Right
          by Lawrence Stevens, J.D.

           :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:
          Thinking about suicide is commonplace.  In his book Suicide, published in 1988, Earl A. Grollman says "Almost everybody at one time or another contemplates suicide" (Second Edition, Beacon Press, p. 2).  In his book Suicide: The Forever Decision, published in 1987, psychologist Paul G. Quinnett, Ph.D., says "Research has shown that a substantial majority of people have considered suicide at one time in their lives, and I mean considered it seriously" (Continuum, p. 12).  Nevertheless, thinking about suicide is generally speaking frowned upon and by itself is enough to result in involuntary "hospitalization" and so-called treatment in a psychiatric "hospital", particularly if the person in question thinks about suicide seriously and refuses (so-called) outpatient psychotherapy to get this thinking changed.  The fact that people are incarcerated in America for thinking and talking about suicide implies that despite what the U.S. Constitution says about free speech, and despite claims Americans often make about America being a free country, many if not most Americans do not really believe in freedom of thought and speech - in addition to rejecting an individual's right to commit suicide.

                          In contrast, the assertion that people have a right to not only think about but to commit suicide has been made by many people who believe in individual freedom.  In his book Suicide in America, published in 1982, psychiatrist Herbert Hendin, M.D., says: "Partly as a response to the failure of suicide prevention, partly in reaction to commitment abuses, and perhaps mainly in the spirit of accepting anything that does not physically harm anyone else, we see suicide increasingly advocated as a fundamental human right.  Many such advocates deplore all attempts to prevent suicide as an interference with that right.  It is a position succinctly expressed by Nietzsche when he wrote, `There is a certain right by which we may deprive a man of life, but none by which we may deprive him of death.'  Taken from its social and psychological context, suicide is regarded by some purely as an issue of personal freedom"  (W. W. Norton & Co., p. 209).  In his book The Death of Psychiatry, published in 1974, psychiatrist E. Fuller Torrey, M.D., said this: "It should not be possible to confine people against their wills in mental `hospitals.' ...  This implies that people have the right to kill themselves if they wish.  I believe this is so" (Chilton Book Co., p. 180).  In 1968 in his book Why Suicide?, Dr. Eustace Chesser, a psychologist, asserted: "The right to choose one's time and manner of death seems to me unassailable.  ...  In my opinion the right to die is the last and greatest human freedom" (Arrow Books, London, pp. 123 & 125).  In On Suicide, published in 1851, Arthur Schopenhauer said: "There is nothing in the world to which every man has a more unassailable title than to his own life and person" (H. L. Mencken, A New Dictionary of Quotations, Knopf, 1942, p. 1161).  In a books-on-tape audiocassette version of their book Life 101,  published in 1990, John-Roger and Peter McWilliams tell us: "The consistency of descriptions from a broad range of individuals points to the possibility that death might not be so bad.  ...  Suicide is always an option.  It is sometimes what makes life bearable.  Knowing we don't absolutely have to be here can make being here a little easier."  Suzy Szasz, a victim of Systemic Lupus Erythematosus, confirms this view in her book Living With It: Why You Don't Have To Be Healthy To Be Happy after an acute flare-up of her disease during which she contemplated suicide: "As many an ancient philosopher has noted, I found the very freedom to commit suicide liberating" (Prometheus Books, 1991, p. 226).  In ancient times (circa 485-425 B.C.), Herodotus wrote: "When life is so burdensome death has become for man a sought after refuge."  In his book The Untamed Tongue, published in 1990, psychiatrist Thomas Szasz asserts: "Suicide is a fundamental human right. ...society does not have the moral right to interfere, by force, with a person's decision to commit this act" (Open Court Publishing Co., p. 250-251).

                          To these statements of support for the right to commit suicide, I will add my own: In a truly free society, you own your life, and your only obligation is to respect the rights of others.  I believe everyone is entitled to be treated as the sole owner of himself or herself and of his or her own life.  Accordingly, I think a person who commits suicide is well within his or her rights in doing so provided he or she does so privately and without jeopardizing the physical safety of others.  Family members, police officers, judges, and "therapists" who interfere with a person's decision to end his or her own life are violating that person's human rights.  The often expressed view that the possibility of suicide justifies psychiatric treatment even if it must be imposed against the will of the potentially suicidal person is wrong.  Provided the person in question is not violating the rights of others, that person's autonomy is of more value than enforcement of what other people consider rational or of what other people think is in a person's best interests.  In a free society where self-ownership is recognized, "dangerousness to oneself" is irrelevant.  In the words of the title of a movie starring Richard Dreyfuss: "Whose Life Is It, Anyway?"  The greatest human right is the right of self-ownership, one aspect of which is the right to life, but another aspect of which is the right to end one's own life.  Whether or not a person supports the right to commit suicide is a litmus test of whether or not that person truly believes in self-ownership and the individual freedom that comes with it, the individual freedom that many of us have been taught is the reason-for-being of American democracy.

                          One reason some oppose the right to commit suicide is theological belief that is sometimes expressed this way: "God gave you life, and only God has the right to take life from you."  Using this reasoning to justify interfering with a person's right to commit suicide is imposing religious beliefs on people who may not share those beliefs.  In America where we supposedly have freedom of (and from) religion, this is wrong.
                          Another reason some people believe it is ethical to interfere with a person's right to think about or commit suicide is belief in mental illness.  But a so-called diagnosis of "mental illness" is a value judgment about a person's thinking or behavior, not a diagnosis of bona-fide brain disease.  So-called mental illness does not deprive people of free will, but on the contrary is an expression of free will (which reaps the disapproval of others).  Those who say mental illness destroys "meaningful" free will or who call the beliefs of others irrational (and therefore necessarily caused by mental illness) are accepting the idea of mental illness as brain disease without adequate evidence or are refusing to accept the beliefs of others only because they differ from their own.

                          Sometimes people oppose the right to commit suicide because of belief in a sort of entirely non-biological mental illness.  The error of this way of thinking is that without a biological abnormality the only possible defining characteristic of mental illness is disapproval of some aspect of a person's mentality or thinking.  But in a free society, it shouldn't matter if the thinking of a person meets with the disapproval of others, provided the person's actions do not violate the rights of others.

                          Furthermore, there isn't any good evidence that mental illness by any generally accepted definition is usually involved in a person's decision to commit suicide.  In her book about teenage suicide, Marion Crook, B.Sc.N., says "teens considering suicide are not necessarily mentally disturbed.  In fact, they are rarely mentally disturbed" (Every Parent's Guide To Understanding Teenagers & Suicide, Int'l Self-Counsel Press Ltd., Vancouver, 1988, p. 10).  Psychologist Paul G. Quinnett, Ph.D., makes this observation in his book Suicide: The Forever Decision:  "As we have already discussed, however, you do not have to be mentally ill to take your own life.  In fact, most people who do commit suicide are not legally `insane.'  So it seems we have a very interesting problem.  To prevent you from killing yourself, doctors like myself will stand up in court and say something to the effect that, by reason of a mental illness, you are a danger to yourself and need treatment.  But - and this is the weird part - you may, in a matter of a few hours to a couple of days, get up one morning and say, `I've decided not to kill myself, after all.'  And if you can convince us you mean what you say, you can leave the hospital and go home.  Question: Are you now completely cured of your so-called mental illness? Obviously not, since the chances are you were never `mentally ill' in the first place.  ...  As I have said, I do not believe you have to be mentally ill to think about suicide" (pp. 11-12).  Dr. Quinnett's statement is a clear admission that allegations of mental illness to justify incarcerating suicidal people often are deliberate dishonesty, even by the definition of mental illness that exists in the minds of the professionals who make the allegations of mental illness.  They make these allegations of mental illness even though they know they are false because involuntary psychiatric commitment laws require a finding of "mental illness" before involuntary commitment may take place.  Making deliberately false accusations of "mental illness" under oath in a court of law to satisfy commitment laws for the purpose of discouraging suicidal thinking or preventing suicide is a way to avoid coming to terms with the fact that incarcerating people only because they happen to think their lives are not worth living or because they have attempted to end their own lives is a form of authoritarianism and despotism.  In the case of people who have only thought about (not attempted) suicide, it is imprisonment for mere thought-crime similar to that illustrated by George Orwell in his novel 1984.

                          Even people who oppose the right to commit suicide because of their belief in mental illness sometimes can be made to understand the erroneousness of their biological theorizing or their belief in some kind of non-biological mental illness by asking them if they would see any point in living if they were suffering from a terminal disease involving excruciating, unrelievable physical pain or were completely paralyzed from the neck down with no chance of recovery.  Once people admit there are any circumstances in which they would choose death, they often see suicide is the result of a person's personal judgment about his or her circumstances in life rather than a biological malfunction of the brain or some conception of non-biological mental illness.

                          Some may feel it is right to use force to prevent suicide because of their belief that the potentially suicidal person's desire to die is probably temporary and will probably go away or subside if he or she is forced to live a short time longer until the acute emotional reaction to a recent traumatic event has faded with time.  Those advancing this argument sometimes acknowledge a person does have a right to commit suicide if he or she is not acting impulsively.  But most evidence indicates few if any people who commit suicide do so impulsively.  As Earl A. Grollman says in his book Suicide (in which he opposes the right to commit suicide): "Suicide does not occur suddenly, impulsively, unpredictably" (p. 63).  In his book Suicide: The Forever Decision, psychologist Paul G. Quinnett, Ph.D., says: "I have talked to hundreds of suicidal people...  If I can make another guess about what has been going on inside your head and heart, it is that you have had long and difficult discussions with yourself about whether to live or die" (pp. 18-19).  Rather than being impulsive, suicide is something people do after long contemplation as part of their efforts to deal with what they consider intolerable life circumstances.

                          The usual justification for involuntary incarceration and so-called treatment of those considering or attempting suicide is alleged dangerousness to oneself.  But even people who don't agree with the principle of self-ownership should ask themselves: dangerousness to oneself in the eyes of whom?  To an onlooker, suicide may seem to always be harmful to the person ending his or her life.  But that's not how the person committing suicide sees the situation.  People commit suicide because they decide continued living in their particular circumstances is a greater harm to themselves than death.  This is made abundantly clear by Francis Lear, editor-in-chief if Lear's magazine, in her autobiographical book, The Second Seduction: "I ALWAYS HAVE an `exitline.'  A stash of lithium.  A building tall enough to kill, not maim, for godsake, not maim.  One goes out in suicide, one simply goes out, gets out, wriggles, bolts, and does not some back merely smashed up or, as the first priority, left with the ability to feel.  One does not go out in a half-assed manner.  Suicide has many consequences.  It will hurt people who love you, it can splatter the sidewalks; but its purpose, the reason for its magnetism, is that it is the only guaranteed, surefire way to end, blitz, detonate a critical mass of suffering.  Suicide, reduced to its pure essence, is a delivery system that moves us from pain to the absence of pain.  If the gods contrive against us and the planets are in disarray, if the earth cracks open beneath us, we must always have a way out" (Harper-Perennial, 1992, p. 26).  As Dr. Eustace Chesser said, "Suicide is a deliberate refusal to accept the only conditions on which it is possible to go on living" (Why Suicide?, op. cit., p. 122).

                          A person's reasons for choosing death may or may not make sense to other people.  In a free society, however, that doesn't or at least shouldn't matter.  It is a very personal and subjective determination, so how can anyone else reasonably claim to know that a suicidal person is making the "wrong" decision in terms of "dangerousness to himself" or herself as experienced by that person? As William Glasser, a psychiatrist, says in his book Positive Addiction: "we should keep in mind that we can never feel another person's pain" (Harper & Row, 1976, p. 8).  In general, I agree with psychiatrist Mark S. Gold's assertion that "suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem" (The Good News About Depression, Bantam Books, 1986, p. 290).  However, the determination of whether it is best to suffer through a miserable present in the hope of getting to a possibly better future is a value judgment.  A person could legitimately decide a hopefully better future does not justify choosing to experience an unbearable present.  No one should claim the right override, by force, a person's value judgements and decisions about something as personal as this.

                          Another factor to consider is that mental health professionals, contrary to their claim that they are preventing suicide, more often are unwittingly promoting eventual suicide.  In an article in the May-June 1974 New York University Law Review titled "Involuntary Psychiatric Commitments to Prevent Suicide", New York University sociology professor David F. Greenberg, Ph.D., says studies on psychiatric suicide prevention "have been either inconsistent or negative" and suggest "that institutionalization may not prevent suicide, but, in fact, may result in more suicides" (p. 256, emphasis in original).  Considering the harmfulness of today's biological "treatments" in psychiatry, the dreariness and sometimes cruelty of institutional life, and the effects of psychiatric stigma, such as lowered self-esteem and discrimination in education and employment, increased rates of suicide among suicidal people who get psychiatric "treatment" compared with a similar population of suicidal people who do not get "treatment" should be expected.  The value of recognizing the right to commit suicide is not only respecting individual freedom but preventing the harm and cruelty that often go on in the name of suicide prevention.

                          While courts have gone both ways in right-to-die cases, judicial decisions defending the right to die are not unusual and are gaining favor.  In his book Death With Dignity, published in 1989, attorney Robert L. Risley points out that in general "court cases clearly established the right to bodily integrity, confirming that the basic right of self-determination includes the right to die, and that it overrides the state's duty to preserve life" (Hemlock Society, Eugene, Oregon, 1989, p. viii).

                          The U.S. Supreme Court addressed the question of whether the U.S. Constitution protects the right to die in 1990 in the case of Cruzan v. Missouri, 497 U.S. 261.  In the words of Time magazine, in this case the U.S. Supreme Court "declared for the first time that there is indeed a right to die" (July 9, 1990, p. 59).  Of the nine justices, all except Justice Scalia acknowledged the right to die is a federal constitutional right.  In his concurring opinion, Justice Scalia argued vigorously against the reasoning of the majority and dissenting opinions, both of which acknowledged the right of self-determination is a constitutional right and that it includes the right to die.  Justice Scalia opposed the view of the other eight justices, arguing vigorously against what he called the right to commit suicide.  But in this respect he stood alone on the Court.
                       
            Since the rationale of these cases is that people have a right of self-determination that includes the right to die, they support my assertion that suicide is a civil right even though, at present, the right to die has been upheld only in cases involving physically ill or disabled people who are conscious enough to express their desire to die or who when healthy enough to express an opinion indicated death is what he or she would want in the circumstances.  In fact, this justification is probably in many cases a mere excuse or rationalization to cover up the real reason.  If the sole reason for permitting death was the desire of the ill or disabled person, involuntary psychiatric commitment of suicidal people would not take place.  A bona-fide but unacknowledged reason ill or disabled people are allowed to deliberately end their lives is they have become a burden to other people.  In other words, just as able-bodied suicidal people are incarcerated for their own supposed benefit (to prevent them from committing suicide) when the real reason is selfish concerns of others, people with severe, permanent disability or incurable disease are allowed to die for their own supposed benefit when a real but unacknowledged purpose is to relieve others ("society") of the burden of caring for them.  However, the reasoning of judicial opinions upholding the right to die emphasize personal autonomy and self-determination as the basis for the decision and therefore support my opinion that each person is the sole owner of himself or herself, of his or her own body, and of his or her own life.  They support my opinion that the right to commit suicide is a civil right.
                       
            If you are a legislator who supports the right of self-ownership you should introduce legislation to delete references to "dangerousness to oneself" in your state's psychiatric commitment laws.  If you are a judge deciding questions of constitutional law, you should strike down as unconstitutional laws that imprison ("hospitalize") people only for supposed dangerousness or harm to oneself.  Whoever you are, you should respect the autonomy of all of your fellow men and women whose conduct does not unlawfully harm others.
          THE AUTHOR, Lawrence Stevens, is a lawyer whose practice has included representing psychiatric "patients".  His pamphlets are not copyrighted.  You are free to make copies for distribution to those you think will benefit.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 07, 2011, 01:51:54 PM
          My my  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  When are you ever gonna take that dildo out of your ass :rasta:

          Do you still have nightamres or Marty shoving foriegn objects up your anas fella :rasta:  :rasta:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  Is that why you keep coming here boy :rasta:  We all know you are a cock sucker, got your ass kicked at elan, and get a daily beating here. :rocker:  :rocker:

          Here's to ya fella  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on June 07, 2011, 05:24:40 PM
          ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: fArt ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  will never tell you the truth about himself when he worked at elan, he just sugar coats stuff and covers the rest up.  :dose:

           :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  did get clocked in the face by a resident when he was staff,  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon: also got knocked down on the floor.  :roflmao:  I think he nust of tried something in a sexual nature, then the resident reacted by doing the right thing and fight off the predator.  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  Warshitsky was fired from elan, he never left on is own will. But the resident that knocked  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: fArt ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  out was put in a ring for defending himself from a sexual predator which was wrong imo. :flame:  I'm sure  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  also stole from residents by going through their dorm rooms when they were on the floor functioning or what have you. I talked to a director who told me about a staff member who was clocked by a resident when I was there and he said the name of the staff member was Arthur. They used  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  as an example when lecturing a resident who was non compliant and was on a path to jail if they continued in their actions after elan.

          They did not go into any details about what  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  did, just used him as an example of someone who was a failure in life, and how he was corrupt when employed at elan. I do believe they also mentioned incidents of  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  sneaking in alcohol and sharing it with teen female residents, in hopes he could score with them. But even a desperate female teen resident would not stoop as low as consenting to having sex with someone with the looks of  :moon:  :moon: fArt Wartshitsky :moon:  :moon:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

           ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: fArt ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  is a liar, and his purpose here is to disrupt, and distort the truth about himself and feed his ego where he likes to pretend that he is in control and is a success in life. ::OMG::  ::OMG::

          I'm sure it won't be long before  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  responds calling me a liar and other names, because he is nothing more then a big old fat pussy, who can't get a women the regular way and has to drug and rape young girls to fufill his sexual needs. I just wait for the day when some young girls father decides to do something about it and beat the living shit out of fArt so bad, that he will be drinking his food through a straw. I'm sure fArt wouldn't like that (drinking food through a straw) so he probably would switch the feeding tubes with the colostomy bag tubes so he can enjoy what he really likes to eat daily. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on June 07, 2011, 09:46:02 PM
          ER suck dicks.  $1.00 per cock, take your meds and see your therapist.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on June 08, 2011, 01:43:33 AM
          Quote from: "Art W"
          ER suck dicks.  $1.00 per cock, take your meds and see your therapist.

          ART STFU you peter puffer

           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger: :spam:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse:: :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on June 08, 2011, 02:12:17 PM
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: fArt ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  will never tell you the truth about himself when he worked at elan, he just sugar coats stuff and covers the rest up.  :dose:

           :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  did get clocked in the face by a resident when he was staff,  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon: also got knocked down on the floor.  :roflmao:  I think he nust of tried something in a sexual nature, then the resident reacted by doing the right thing and fight off the predator.  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  Warshitsky was fired from elan, he never left on is own will. But the resident that knocked  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: fArt ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  out was put in a ring for defending himself from a sexual predator which was wrong imo. :flame:  I'm sure  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  also stole from residents by going through their dorm rooms when they were on the floor functioning or what have you. I talked to a director who told me about a staff member who was clocked by a resident when I was there and he said the name of the staff member was Arthur. They used  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  as an example when lecturing a resident who was non compliant and was on a path to jail if they continued in their actions after elan.

          They did not go into any details about what  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  did, just used him as an example of someone who was a failure in life, and how he was corrupt when employed at elan. I do believe they also mentioned incidents of  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  sneaking in alcohol and sharing it with teen female residents, in hopes he could score with them. But even a desperate female teen resident would not stoop as low as consenting to having sex with someone with the looks of  :moon:  :moon: fArt Wartshitsky :moon:  :moon:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

           ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: fArt ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  is a liar, and his purpose here is to disrupt, and distort the truth about himself and feed his ego where he likes to pretend that he is in control and is a success in life. ::OMG::  ::OMG::

          I'm sure it won't be long before  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  responds calling me a liar and other names, because he is nothing more then a big old fat pussy, who can't get a women the regular way and has to drug and rape young girls to fufill his sexual needs. I just wait for the day when some young girls father decides to do something about it and beat the living shit out of fArt so bad, that he will be drinking his food through a straw. I'm sure fArt wouldn't like that (drinking food through a straw) so he probably would switch the feeding tubes with the colostomy bag tubes so he can enjoy what he really likes to eat daily. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          Nice ER.. You seem a little too familiar about these kind of nasty fantasies..I think instead of making the usual ASS outa yourself... Maybe you should just kill yourself,and EVERYONE will be more at ease with you dead
          You are only as sick as your secrets boy!
          And I do mean boy!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on June 08, 2011, 05:09:25 PM
          Art is a homosexual and I beleive everything that the reporter says is true.
          He owns your ass Farty....

          You are his bitch. And I do mean BITCH, boy!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on June 08, 2011, 07:50:25 PM
          YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
          The only thing ER owns.. Is a head full of sick,demented,sexual fantasies involving men, and anal sex toys to use on them.
          Pssst Marky/Sharon
          I am sorry your life is so terrible,that THIS is what you have been reduced to
          Its not too late
          You may suprise everyone and become kind,productive,people one day
          I know.. Lofty goal.. But its attainable
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on June 18, 2011, 04:15:24 AM
          :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  ::fullofshit::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG:: :cheers:  :cheers:  :feedtrolls:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat: :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :twofinger:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :poison:  :soapbox:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :peace:  :peace:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:   :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  ::fullofshit::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG:: :cheers:  :cheers:  :feedtrolls:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat: :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :twofinger:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :poison:  :soapbox:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff: :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :peace:  :peace:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on June 19, 2011, 02:15:18 AM
          ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: fArt ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  will never tell you the truth about himself when he worked at elan, he just sugar coats stuff and covers the rest up.  :dose:

           :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  did get clocked in the face by a resident when he was staff,  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon: also got knocked down on the floor.  :roflmao:  I think he nust of tried something in a sexual nature, then the resident reacted by doing the right thing and fight off the predator.  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  Warshitsky was fired from elan, he never left on is own will. But the resident that knocked  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: fArt ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  out was put in a ring for defending himself from a sexual predator which was wrong imo. :flame:  I'm sure  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  also stole from residents by going through their dorm rooms when they were on the floor functioning or what have you. I talked to a director who told me about a staff member who was clocked by a resident when I was there and he said the name of the staff member was Arthur. They used  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  as an example when lecturing a resident who was non compliant and was on a path to jail if they continued in their actions after elan.

          They did not go into any details about what  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  did, just used him as an example of someone who was a failure in life, and how he was corrupt when employed at elan. I do believe they also mentioned incidents of  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  sneaking in alcohol and sharing it with teen female residents, in hopes he could score with them. But even a desperate female teen resident would not stoop as low as consenting to having sex with someone with the looks of  :moon:  :moon: fArt Wartshitsky :moon:  :moon:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

           ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: fArt ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  is a liar, and his purpose here is to disrupt, and distort the truth about himself and feed his ego where he likes to pretend that he is in control and is a success in life. ::OMG::  ::OMG::

          I'm sure it won't be long before  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  responds calling me a liar and other names, because he is nothing more then a big old fat pussy, who can't get a women the regular way and has to drug and rape young girls to fufill his sexual needs. I just wait for the day when some young girls father decides to do something about it and beat the living shit out of fArt so bad, that he will be drinking his food through a straw. I'm sure fArt wouldn't like that (drinking food through a straw) so he probably would switch the feeding tubes with the colostomy bag tubes so he can enjoy what he really likes to eat daily. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :peace:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on June 19, 2011, 09:42:35 AM
          The most confusing day of the year for your Children,and Marky.. and this is how you spend it
          Must be horrific to be as mentally ill as you
          I am truly sorry that your life is so bad,that this is what you have been reduced to
          dont you worry.. there's still hope for you
          Or
          there's always a bottle of Draino to drink
          A good replacement for the booze and liquer you would have to drink before fabricating an ugly story like this one
          YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
          The only thing ER owns.. Is a head full of sick,demented,sexual fantasies involving men, and anal sex toys to use on them.
          Pssst Marky/Sharon
          I am sorry your life is so terrible,that THIS is what you have been reduced to
          Its not too late
          You may suprise everyone and become kind,productive,people one day
          I know.. Lofty goal.. But its attainable
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on June 19, 2011, 09:46:34 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          The most confusing day of the year for your Children,and Marky.. and this is how you spend it
          Must be horrific to be as mentally ill as you
          I am truly sorry that your life is so bad,that this is what you have been reduced to
          dont you worry.. there's still hope for you
          Or
          there's always a bottle of Draino to drink
          A good replacement for the booze and liquer you would have to drink before fabricating an ugly story like this one
          YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
          The only thing ER owns.. Is a head full of sick,demented,sexual fantasies involving men, and anal sex toys to use on them.
          Pssst Marky/Sharon
          I am sorry your life is so terrible,that THIS is what you have been reduced to
          Its not too late
          You may suprise everyone and become kind,productive,people one day
          I know.. Lofty goal.. But its attainable

          Fuck you moron   :rocker:  :rocker:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :peace:  :peace:  :peace:  :boycott:  :boycott:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on June 19, 2011, 11:44:57 AM
          YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
          The only thing ER owns.. Is a head full of sick,demented,sexual fantasies involving men, and anal sex toys to use on them.
          Pssst Marky/Sharon
          I am sorry your life is so terrible,that THIS is what you have been reduced to
          Its not too late
          You may suprise everyone and become kind,productive,people one day
          I know.. Lofty goal.. But its attainable
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on June 19, 2011, 12:00:38 PM
          Sharon
          i am sorry but i fully disagree with you

          you acted no better than them all, you targetted mark badly

          11:49pmAaron
          bullshit

          Mark is playing games on my group.

          11:49pmSharon
          it is not bullshit

          11:50pmAaron
          It very well is bullshit.

          11:50pmSharon
          even if he did you got no right to ban him period

          11:50pmAaron
          I've deleted alot of crap off that group.

          He's attacked me twice

          11:50pmSharon
          see so now your god

          11:50pmAaron
          oh yeah I'm such a god that I can control whereever he goes on the internet.

          logical fallacy at best.

          if he wants he can go start his own group.

          11:50pmSharon
          unless directly attack or bodily harm we are not suppose to fully agree with each other

          11:50pmAaron
          bullshit.

          he's a waste of bandwidth

          and in my group, I determine the rules.

          11:51pmSharon
          call it what you wish but it is fact you have no right to delete anyone ou just dont like

          11:51pmAaron
          along with mike and ginger

          11:51pmSharon
          that is your opinion which you got a right too

          11:51pmAaron
          actually I do have a right to delete whoever I like.

          11:52pmSharon
          ok god then delete me too

          11:52pmAaron
          no need to.

          11:52pmSharon
          and others will be leaving as well trust me

          11:52pmAaron
          you can quit the group on your own.

          don't let the door hit you all on the way out.

          11:52pmSharon
          i am complaining through email about this

          i refuse to allow you to be the internet god

          11:53pmAaron
          go right ahead

          complain till your face falls off.

          11:53pmSharon
          i personally like you and you know that

          but i feel this is wrong

          11:53pmAaron
          fuck if I care.

          quote me on it.

          Mark's bullshit is not welcome.

          11:54pmSharon
          i actually will complain and someone will care trust me

          11:54pmAaron
          he can start his own group for that sort of shit.

          Umm.. No they won't.

          I'm the creator of that group.

          the most they'll do is start their own group.

          which is fine with me.

          11:54pmSharon
          and you said all were welcome

          11:54pmAaron
          serves the same purpose.

          11:54pmSharon
          then that should mean all the good and the bad

          11:54pmAaron
          no.

          11:55pmSharon
          you allow art there and frankily his baby ass started a whole can of shit

          11:55pmAaron
          I'm not a babysitter and the group is not fornits forums.

          11:55pmSharon
          for years he destroyed any good

          11:55pmAaron
          where is art on my group?

          and what problems has he started?

          11:55pmSharon
          well then do not advertise as a fornit group then

          11:55pmAaron
          Art hasn't attacked me twice.

          11:55pmSharon
          omg art has a fake on there

          11:55pmAaron
          Mark has.

          so does mark

          mark has had several fakes.

          11:56pmSharon
          ok so someone attacks you, I think you are man enough to stand up to them, you are an amazing speaker

          so what he blows wind

          11:56pmAaron
          he can blow wind on his own group

          11:56pmSharon
          i guess I thought you stronger than this

          11:56pmAaron
          which he is free to start

          11:56pmSharon
          ok well then it should not advertise fornits then

          11:56pmAaron
          look lady, I started this group to serve as an informational conduit

          11:56pmSharon
          fornits is differently run

          11:56pmAaron
          I'll advertise it as whatever I want

          11:57pmSharon
          ok well i got a problem with it saying fornits then

          11:57pmAaron
          tough shit

          11:57pmSharon
          it should be aaron's world

          ok we will see

          11:57pmAaron
          do your wost.

          worst

          see just how much I care.

          11:57pmSharon
          i am gathering many compaints right now as we speak

          11:57pmAaron
          go for it.

          11:57pmSharon
          you are being highly irrational

          11:57pmAaron
          not really, I'm just not letting you push me around.

          11:57pmSharon
          aaron you are wrong this time

          i am not pushing you around i am speaking to you as an adult

          11:58pmAaron
          Umm.. noo.. I'm just not letting mark play his shithead little games on my group.

          Umm.. no you have threatened me with a bunch of hot air repeatedly.

          11:58pmSharon
          but it reflects on ginger and mike

          11:58pmAaron
          and they are free to do what they want.

          you don't get it do you?:

          It's a free interent.

          11:59pmSharon
          get what this group is a click

          11:59pmAaron
          don't like it... leave and do your own thing.

          11:59pmSharon
          not really a helpful tool

          11:59pmAaron
          not to mark's bullshit it isn't.

          11:59pmSharon
          i do not agree with mark at all but you are denying a survivor

          that is bottom line wrong

          12:00amAaron
          two things for you lady.

          1) I'm not a survivor

          2) I've never given a survivor anything more than any other person.

          12:00amSharon
          but you advocate in helping survivors

          12:00amAaron
          No

          I'm

          NOT

          I'm

          only

          concerned

          about

          kids

          in

          the

          programs

          I

          don't

          care

          abut

          survivors

          12:01amSharon
          ok well i am done speaking about this, I will go a different route

          12:01amAaron
          bye!

          12:01amSharon
          good bye aaron I got better things to do than to argue with an unresoanable person

          12:01amAaron
          thank god
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on June 19, 2011, 06:52:43 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
          The only thing ER owns.. Is a head full of sick,demented,sexual fantasies involving men, and anal sex toys to use on them.
          Pssst Marky/Sharon
          I am sorry your life is so terrible,that THIS is what you have been reduced to
          Its not too late
          You may suprise everyone and become kind,productive,people one day
          I know.. Lofty goal.. But its attainable

          Art fuck yourself you evil monster.  :lala:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :peace:  :clown:  :clown:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :peace:  :peace:  :rasta:  :rasta:  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on June 19, 2011, 10:57:42 PM
          Quote from: "ER"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
          The only thing ER owns.. Is a head full of sick,demented,sexual fantasies involving men, and anal sex toys to use on them.
          Pssst Marky/Sharon
          I am sorry your life is so terrible,that THIS is what you have been reduced to
          Its not too late
          You may suprise everyone and become kind,productive,people one day
          I know.. Lofty goal.. But its attainable

          Art fuck yourself you evil monster.  :lala:  :jamin:  :jamin:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :peace:  :clown:  :clown:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :peace:  :peace:  :rasta:  :rasta:  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on June 19, 2011, 11:08:21 PM
          why thank you Sharon
          Coming from you,THE most evil woman I have encountered in my life
          Yep..  Finally something you are qualified to say
          I knew you could do it,am proud of you
          Now can ya STFU and act like a adult.. Or is that why you dont sign in as yourself ?
          Leave folks guessing who would say and do the EVIL things you've said and done ?
          1 little 2 little 3 little assholes/cowards
          LOL
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on June 20, 2011, 02:20:08 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          why thank you Sharon
          Coming from you,THE most evil woman I have encountered in my life
          Yep..  Finally something you are qualified to say
          I knew you could do it,am proud of you
          Now can ya STFU and act like a adult.. Or is that why you dont sign in as yourself ?
          Leave folks guessing who would say and do the EVIL things you've said and done ?
          1 little 2 little 3 little assholes/cowards
          LOL

          You shut the fuck up FART.    Asshole!   :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :peace:  :peace:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
           :bump:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on June 20, 2011, 08:51:48 AM
          Geeez what was I thinking telling the truth and all
          I shoulda known better
          Its just that... well.. Im not a liar,cheater or a thief
          Perhaps if I were any of those things,We'd be pals
          Did I tell you how hard several people laughed your dumb ass,last weekend
          Then again yesterday ?
          Again,if you were to tell the truth,and stop this nonsense
          You wouldnt have to deal with me
          Must be too hard on you
           
          ps..Nice emoticons.. . For a 9 yr old
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on June 20, 2011, 08:57:41 AM
          liar,cheater or a thief = ART

           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :rocker:  :peace:  :clown:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide: :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on June 20, 2011, 10:31:58 AM
          Liar,cheater and thief = ART

          ART shut up and stop using troll names in this forum.  It is getting really old.  Your fake user names must be around 50 by now, lol.

           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :suicide:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on June 20, 2011, 10:37:52 AM
          I think you should sue me
          Been laughing at you for years
          Got a great laugh yesterday,and even better this morning
          Look what you have been reduced to
          You gotta admit.. You are terribly stupid
          Didnt I read somewhere that you got a degree ?
          Univ. of fecal Matter ?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on June 20, 2011, 10:40:28 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          I think you should sue me
          Been laughing at you for years
          Got a great laugh yesterday,and even better this morning
          Look what you have been reduced to
          You gotta admit.. You are terribly stupid
          Didnt I read somewhere that you got a degree ?
          Univ. of fecal Matter ?

          I'll bust you hard son.  You wouldn't stand a chance against me in court.   :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jerry:  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  :hug:  :bs:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on June 20, 2011, 01:11:36 PM
          YAWWWWNNNNNNNN
          You have nothing
          You know nothing
          You are simply a coward with a vivid imagination. In fact, I bet you have been acting out these anal,same sex fantasies for years... Im CERTAIN the court will be very interested
          Bring it on you little coward
          I'll wait here
          All you ever do is cry.. You are pathetic just like the rest of your 3 person "Core" group !
          Funniest thing I ever read.. 400 people
          You couldnt get 400 people to spit on you
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on June 20, 2011, 04:00:36 PM
          ART suck dick and give me the high hard one.

           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  :jerry:  :beat:  :beat:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on June 21, 2011, 06:35:46 AM
          ER = Elan Retard
          Just like Marky and Sharon = Retarded
          Are you done yet  ?
          Maybe you should wipe yourself.
          With the filthy mouth you have,its a wonder you 2 are even allowed near children,much less a primary care-giver.
          Now the burdon of proof is on you
          I know you dont understand
          But you will
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on June 21, 2011, 07:10:13 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          ER = Elan Retard
          Just like Marky and Sharon = Retarded
          Are you done yet  ?
          Maybe you should wipe yourself.
          With the filthy mouth you have,its a wonder you 2 are even allowed near children,much less a primary care-giver.
          Now the burdon of proof is on you
          I know you dont understand
          But you will

          Fuck off!        

            :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  ::fullofshit::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
            :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  ::fullofshit::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on June 21, 2011, 08:14:26 AM
          Whats wrong asswipes ? Too much truth for this early in the day
          Stop the nonsense,and you may continue to live your life as a fraud
          And it wont matter to me one little bit
          Continue with this campaign of hate
          I continue telling the truth for all to see
          Try to have a good day girls
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on June 21, 2011, 08:34:12 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Whats wrong asswipes ? Too much truth for this early in the day
          Stop the nonsense,and you may continue to live your life as a fraud
          And it wont matter to me one little bit
          Continue with this campaign of hate
          I continue telling the truth for all to see
          Try to have a good day girls

          Suck a cock and wipe poop on your face.  You are simply a coward with a vivid imagination. In fact, I bet you have been acting out these anal,same sex fantasies for years.

           :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :roflmao:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  ::fullofshit::  ::OMG::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse:: ::fullofshit::  :rasta:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :twofinger: :moon:  :beat:  :beat:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :twofinger:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on June 21, 2011, 09:55:24 AM
          BORING
          Cmon Sharon/Marky
          I know you can do betterthan that. After all,this is your sickness that you continue with
          Famous answer = suck a cock = fecal matter
          Nice to know that you are still very small children throwing a tantrum,every day,for over 2 years
          DO your children have clean clothes on ? Have they been fed ? Where do they score academically ?
          How is your boy that was injured ?
          Im sure you are doing your best,based on your personal capacity
          Which is VERY LIMITED
          You should've swallowed
          They deserve better
          Hey Marky
          53 ? 54 yr old Psychotic living in a fantasy land. Could you stomp your feet and flail your arms for us too ?
          Pleeease
          Its you.. Dont be bashful Marky.. Tell us all how "Jealous" I am of you
          Dont seek help Marky.. Just kill yourself
          Will avoid the whole prison thing
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on June 21, 2011, 03:40:26 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          BORING
          Cmon Sharon/Marky
          I know you can do betterthan that. After all,this is your sickness that you continue with
          Famous answer = suck a cock = fecal matter
          Nice to know that you are still very small children throwing a tantrum,every day,for over 2 years
          DO your children have clean clothes on ? Have they been fed ? Where do they score academically ?
          How is your boy that was injured ?
          Im sure you are doing your best,based on your personal capacity
          Which is VERY LIMITED
          You should've swallowed
          They deserve better
          Hey Marky
          53 ? 54 yr old Psychotic living in a fantasy land. Could you stomp your feet and flail your arms for us too ?
          Pleeease
          Its you.. Dont be bashful Marky.. Tell us all how "Jealous" I am of you
          Dont seek help Marky.. Just kill yourself
          Will avoid the whole prison thing

          Drink some hard alcohol then swallow cum from a homeless person in your junk yard.   :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :twofinger:  :beat:  :beat:  ::puke::  :roflmao:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::deadhorse::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on June 21, 2011, 03:55:20 PM
          Quote from: "ER"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          BORING
          Cmon Sharon/Marky
          I know you can do betterthan that. After all,this is your sickness that you continue with
          Famous answer = suck a cock = fecal matter
          Nice to know that you are still very small children throwing a tantrum,every day,for over 2 years
          DO your children have clean clothes on ? Have they been fed ? Where do they score academically ?
          How is your boy that was injured ?
          Im sure you are doing your best,based on your personal capacity
          Which is VERY LIMITED
          You should've swallowed
          They deserve better
          Hey Marky
          53 ? 54 yr old Psychotic living in a fantasy land. Could you stomp your feet and flail your arms for us too ?
          Pleeease
          Its you.. Dont be bashful Marky.. Tell us all how "Jealous" I am of you
          Dont seek help Marky.. Just kill yourself
          Will avoid the whole prison thing

          Drink some hard alcohol then swallow cum from a homeless person in your junk yard.   :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :twofinger:  :beat:  :beat:  ::puke::  :roflmao:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::deadhorse::
          Looky Looky little bitty farty warty is trying to be a smarty. Does he not have a life?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Hope Seely on June 21, 2011, 03:59:39 PM
          When one looks at a man like ART , we then wonder why there is pro lifers out in this world. Abortion clearly would of prevented a long term of pain this man inflicted in so many people's life. Funny how Sharon has not even been on fornits for months and months however the Artster cannot stop fantasizing about her. Way I hear it Mark and Sharon are now living together and finally gave into their long years of desiring to be together. Do we hear bells coming soon?  :hug:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Hope Seely on June 21, 2011, 04:49:21 PM
          Quote from: "ER"
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          ER = Elan Retard
          Just like Marky and Sharon = Retarded
          Are you done yet  ?
          Maybe you should wipe yourself.
          With the filthy mouth you have,its a wonder you 2 are even allowed near children,much less a primary care-giver.
          Now the burdon of proof is on you
          I know you dont understand
          But you will

          Fuck off!        

            :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  ::fullofshit::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
            :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  ::fullofshit::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::
          Fully Agreed, this little psychotical crap FARTster does is nonsense. Grow up you big fat lousey son of a bitch. People are sick of your mouth. Stupid ignorant fuck. Go sell some brake pads...oh wait didn't you get canned? Stupid fucker no one is or has been thnking about you. If anything people are joyful when you finally STFU about Marky Marky Marky and Sharon Sharon Sharon. She must give one mean fucking blow job for you to be still obsessing over her. She clearly hates you, she clearly has not been online at all on fornits. But Farty Barty Tarty still is obsessed.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 21, 2011, 06:18:32 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          why thank you Sharon
          Coming from you,THE most evil woman I have encountered in my life
          Yep..  Finally something you are qualified to say
          I knew you could do it,am proud of you
          Now can ya STFU and act like a adult.. Or is that why you dont sign in as yourself ?
          Leave folks guessing who would say and do the EVIL things you've said and done ?
          1 little 2 little 3 little assholes/cowards
          LOL
          Why you stupid complete mother fucker. I have not been on fucking fornits in months and months. I have what they call a life you stupid ignorant fuck. Leave me out of your twisted shit jackass. Last thing I do daily Art is think of you, let me tell you fuck boy your nothing to me. You are so stupid to actually think I would not post as myself...go completely and utterly fuck yourself. I have not thought of you nor spoke about you in months. How beautiful those months were too. Now moron keep dishing out retarded spew, no one is listening..lmao especially me. I am to busy having a complete summer blast. Go fuck 8 ball and leave me the hell alone creep. Your creepy you know that fuck breath.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on June 21, 2011, 07:12:29 PM
          You are a very bad liar Sharon
          and the language you used was so hurtful
          Is Marky parking that big truck in your pussy ?
          I bet there's room
          You really should get better at this whole troll thing
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on June 21, 2011, 07:17:17 PM
          Quote from: "Hope Seely"
          When one looks at a man like ART , we then wonder why there is pro lifers out in this world. Abortion clearly would of prevented a long term of pain this man inflicted in so many people's life. Funny how Sharon has not even been on fornits for months and months however the Artster cannot stop fantasizing about her. Way I hear it Mark and Sharon are now living together and finally gave into their long years of desiring to be together. Do we hear bells coming soon?  :hug:
          LOL
          Now that would make perfect sense!
          2 cum bubblers under the same roof
          Competing for each other's homeless men!
           :nods:  :nods:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :roflmao:
           :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on June 21, 2011, 10:08:04 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          You are a very bad liar Sharon
          and the language you used was so hurtful
          Is Marky parking that big truck in your pussy ?
          I bet there's room
          You really should get better at this whole troll thing
          Look you psychotic fuck, go away fully. I am not thinking of you..pffft grow up mental case. You are so distasteful. Wash your mouth out with ajax or something. I do not got time for you asshole. I am very busy with my life.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Hope Seely on June 21, 2011, 10:13:59 PM
          I see we got Art talking about women's pussy's again. Sick fuck probably does not get laid. Sharon has not been on Fornits. Sick little Art forgot to take his Cymbalta again.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on June 22, 2011, 12:52:54 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Quote from: "Hope Seely"
          When one looks at a man like ART , we then wonder why there is pro lifers out in this world. Abortion clearly would of prevented a long term of pain this man inflicted in so many people's life. Funny how Sharon has not even been on fornits for months and months however the Artster cannot stop fantasizing about her. Way I hear it Mark and Sharon are now living together and finally gave into their long years of desiring to be together. Do we hear bells coming soon?  :hug:
          LOL
          Now that would make perfect sense!
          2 cum bubblers under the same roof
          Competing for each other's homeless men!
           :nods:  :nods:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :roflmao:
           :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:  :dose:

          FAG
           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :suicide:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :peace:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  ::puke::  :roflmao:  :dose:  :sue:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on June 22, 2011, 08:52:23 AM
          Hmmm Now thats funny
          You calling me a Fag.. Yet who has the dozens of stories/fantasies depicting men involved in homosexual sex acts
          Anal sex toys
          and small children involved..
          Funny how Sharon is very upset about that,given that she has small children at home
          But call out a troll or 2 and I am the big bad bastard
          You girls kill me
          Thanks so much for the laughs this morning
          a great way to start the day
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on June 22, 2011, 09:48:18 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Hmmm Now thats funny
          You calling me a Fag.. Yet who has the dozens of stories/fantasies depicting men involved in homosexual sex acts
          Anal sex toys
          and small children involved..
          Funny how Sharon is very upset about that,given that she has small children at home
          But call out a troll or 2 and I am the big bad bastard
          You girls kill me
          Thanks so much for the laughs this morning
          a great way to start the day

          Do you ever stop Art.???

          I know it's everyone else s fault right.???

          Do see how you look and sound.??  :waaaa:  :waaaa:

          You look like a mad man, the whole world is wrong and your just fine,???

           :cheers:  :cheers: You are one sick bastard  :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on June 22, 2011, 01:00:35 PM
          It stops,when sick fucks like yourself shut the fuck up
          Its old news as I have been saying this for 2 years
          But tweedle dee and tweedle dumbfuck cant do it
          Tell ya what ... YOU pick the day it stops and Im done
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on June 22, 2011, 04:41:50 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed originally "
          I stop sucking dicks, when sick fucks like yourself pay my attorney fees.
          Its old news as I have been a cum drinker for 2 years.
          But tweedle dee and tweedle dumbfuck refuse to suck my small penis.
          Tell ya what ... YOU pick the day I will stop being a stupid little faggot
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on June 23, 2011, 06:58:35 AM
          Do you ever stop Art.

          See,thats what Im talking about
          You simply cannot stop.. which I find kinda HYSTERICAL
          that you're mental illness is leading you around by the nose
          Got meds ?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on June 23, 2011, 02:43:31 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Do you ever stop Art.

          See,thats what Im talking about
          You simply cannot stop.. which I find kinda HYSTERICAL
          that you're mental illness is leading you around by the nose
          Got meds ?

          Art I slid a strap on dildo between your mother's legs.  It felt oh so good! :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :twofinger:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :suicide:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  ::fullofshit::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::deadhorse::  ::OMG:: ::OMG::  ::OMG:: :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: :twofinger:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :soapbox:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: :peace:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :rocker:  :beat:  :beat: :beat:  :fuckoff:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on June 23, 2011, 06:07:35 PM
          Really ?
          You would want to have sex with a woman in her late 70's ?
          thats close to being as bad as your anal sex fantasies about men,and small children.. Do you use sex toys on these children as well ? tell us all about your abuses to children.. I mean hell. .your partner has done time over abusing/neglecting children
          and here you and SHE are.. Doing the same thing
          Keep runnin your mouth cockboy. You play the Coward game like you've been a life-long coward
          You must be exceptional
          YAWWWNNNN
          Could ya come up with something new,or at least original ? I havent laughed at you in a while
          Ive been busy laughing at sharon
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on June 23, 2011, 09:05:03 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Really ?
          You would want to have sex with a woman in her late 70's ?
          thats close to being as bad as your anal sex fantasies about men,and small children.. Do you use sex toys on these children as well ? tell us all about your abuses to children.. I mean hell. .your partner has done time over abusing/neglecting children
          and here you and SHE are.. Doing the same thing
          Keep runnin your mouth cockboy. You play the Coward game like you've been a life-long coward
          You must be exceptional
          YAWWWNNNN
          Could ya come up with something new,or at least original ? I havent laughed at you in a while
          Ive been busy laughing at sharon

          I would stick my 10 inch cock in her mouth.  lol   :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  ::fullofshit::  ::OMG::  ::deadhorse::  ::unhappy::  :jerry:  :jerry:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on June 23, 2011, 09:05:59 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Really ?
          You would want to have sex with a woman in her late 70's ?
          thats close to being as bad as your anal sex fantasies about men,and small children.. Do you use sex toys on these children as well ? tell us all about your abuses to children.. I mean hell. .your partner has done time over abusing/neglecting children
          and here you and SHE are.. Doing the same thing
          Keep runnin your mouth cockboy. You play the Coward game like you've been a life-long coward
          You must be exceptional
          YAWWWNNNN
          Could ya come up with something new,or at least original ? I havent laughed at you in a while
          Ive been busy laughing at sharon

          I would stick my 10 inch cock in her mouth.  lol   :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :rasta:  :rasta:  :rasta:  ::fullofshit::  ::OMG::  ::deadhorse::  ::unhappy::  :jerry:  :jerry:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Truth, be told on June 24, 2011, 05:52:59 AM


          Just can't sleep maybe this will help....
          First of all everyone that's on here needs to get a life and stop the bashing of individuals back and forth.
          There is comfort for all and you all need help.  Come on, Elan has been shut down..
          But some of you just keep continue from day to day.  Must be like Babitz, living off of the system, has way too much time on their hands or just taking a loved one for granted.  I just found out about this site the end of April 2011.
          Yes I have made time to start from page 1 and have just finished reading every page  last week...
          Have picked up a few people's names that don't use their own but that is besides the point.
          Please beware and be careful, Danny, Matt, liarexposed, Sharon and maybe I am forgetting some of you.  And oh you psy.  I don't know what he has up his sleeve but the stuff I read and conversations I've heard is not something that I would be doing.
          But what the heck Babitz has nothing to lose but the one, law obiding citizen that I am.  Yes I Do Have an OP on him and am not going into that.  Take it for what's it worth and move on.
          Oh and by the way it's MY rental house and MY summer home and MY Jeep and MY Corvette.
          Oh...By the way, you won't be taking it for a ride whenever you want so you can tell your friend that for me....  You know who you are..
          I know you all have friends and that's great, and they are probably all wonderful friends but  be careful cause that is how we started out.  But once he feels comfortable he will try and gain control of you, watch out cause then shit all over you.
          Oh and by the way, I am doing much better in my balance and talking.
          I bet some of you hadn't know about that, but I had to read about Sharon's awful accident.
          Well I hope all is well and I'm sure he will give you the expertise to give you will nedd and probably a few names or too.
          Funny it is, what lie did he tell me when he went to the hospital that day?
          Never ever, ever tell someone a lie, it will only haunt you (no honesty) for the rest of your life.  Thanks Mark... Well unless you are protecting the one thing you truely do have and that is your own life..
          I don't know why he felt like this?
          Well I might be able to sleep and get a few hours in before work now, Good Luck to everyone, as this will be my one and only post, so please I hope you find everything here that you might need to move on with your life's.
          Never posting again, but had to set things right...
          I had to speak "The whole truth and nothing but the truth.." so help me (and everyone here) GOD........ :peace:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on June 24, 2011, 06:28:16 AM
          As usual ban Mark, Art, Sharon and Danny.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on June 24, 2011, 07:10:43 AM
          Now THAT is a believable post
          Hey Marky.. Can ya say busted ?
          Wonder who has been calling you a FRAUD for over 2 years,and how he knew
          ER = suck my cock!
          Oh and Good Morning!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on June 24, 2011, 06:56:23 PM
          Hey Marky
          Do you think she knows all your screen names and alias' ?
          Well at least you have that big diesel Penile Symbol of you personal failure both at life
          and as a human being
          Im sure you could cuddle up next to that big exhaust pipe for comfort
          Please let her know that I will donate 1500.00 to the charity of her choice if I can crush that corvette in
          the hydrolic press
          Loser
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on June 24, 2011, 08:46:44 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed originally"
          Now THAT is a believable post
          Hey Marky.. Can ya say I am a faggot ?
          Wonder who has been pissing in my shoes over 2 years, and how nobody knew.
          MY MOTHER sucked my cock!
          Oh and swallow my cum this morning!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on June 24, 2011, 10:19:41 PM
          Now thats pretty good
          My youngest Grandchild does the same thing LOL
          This is what you've been reduced to
          fucking hysterical!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on June 24, 2011, 10:41:53 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Now thats pretty good
          My youngest Grandchild does the same thing LOL
          This is what you've been reduced to
          fucking hysterical!

          Ya' mother sent me a video of her jacking you off, then you shooting your load all over her.  Art, you are one sick dude.  Grow up.

          Ban Mark, Art, Sharon and Danny.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on June 25, 2011, 05:43:13 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Now thats pretty good
          My youngest Grandchild does the same thing LOL
          This is what you've been reduced to
          fucking hysterical!

          Your grandchild also calls you a faggot? LOL  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :twofinger:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :beat:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :rofl:  :rocker:  :clown:  :beat:  :beat:  :bs:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :beat: :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :poison:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :peace:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :feedtrolls:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :notworthy:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :fuckoff:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on June 25, 2011, 06:28:46 AM
          Less than 18 more pages and can get to 200 pages of bullshit
          am gonna congratualte you now
          You may go back to your regularly scheduled crying!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on June 25, 2011, 03:09:59 PM
          lol.  Moron.  Idiot.  When was the last time you drank alcohol?   When are you, Mark, Sharon and Danny going to the bar?   You idiots need to calm down.

          *As always, ban Art, Mark, Danny and Sharon.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on June 26, 2011, 04:31:58 AM
          Quote from: "ER"
          lol.  Moron.  Idiot.  When was the last time you drank alcohol?   When are you, Mark, Sharon and Danny going to the bar?   You idiots need to calm down.

          *As always, ban Art, Mark, Danny and Sharon.

          I agree with ER.  The "ER" is another one of Art's troll names.  Art, fuck you and your 5897 troll names on fornits.  

           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :spam:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :beat:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  ::fullofshit::  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  ::OMG::  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :twofinger:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: ::deadhorse::  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: :suicide:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on June 26, 2011, 08:47:16 AM
          Is that you Aaron.. you poor little shit-stir-stick...
          I have no alias' here
          never did,never will..and drinking is a thing of the past... 16 years this month actually
          Pretty sure Marky is gonna slilther back under that rock he came out from. He has been huniliated moreso than anyone ever was here at fornits. Sharon only THINKS she is a good liar.. Of course thats why she has no friends or family to turn to.
          I do however spend a great deal of time @ the bar,as I play in a very successful Rock n Roll band. Booked into late Sept now.
          I could be done any time now..as Ive said repeatedly
          So who should be banned Aaron ? LOL
          Lives led in misery = no waiting = Here @ the Cesspool,commonly known as Fornits.
          Pathetic really
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on June 26, 2011, 09:09:47 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Is that you Aaron.. you poor little shit-stir-stick...
          I have no alias' here
          never did,never will..and drinking is a thing of the past... 16 years this month actually
          Pretty sure Marky is gonna slilther back under that rock he came out from. He has been huniliated moreso than anyone ever was here at fornits. Sharon only THINKS she is a good liar.. Of course thats why she has no friends or family to turn to.
          I do however spend a great deal of time @ the bar,as I play in a very successful Rock n Roll band. Booked into late Sept now.
          I could be done any time now..as Ive said repeatedly
          So who should be banned Aaron ? LOL
          Lives led in misery = no waiting = Here @ the Cesspool,commonly known as Fornits.
          Pathetic really

          You are going  to  get sued for defamation and your ass better have a good attorney.  I'm sick of you bad mouthing me on this website, so shut the fuck up.  $1.00 per cock, lol. :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on June 26, 2011, 05:15:11 PM
          bawahahahahahahahahahaha
          deformation lol
          you do that boy. I'll wait here ha
          i got a finsky..does that mean you gimme 5 blowjobs?
          Comeon wit it. better stop n get the blowjob queen
          the fraud of cl and life itself
          marky the cumbubbler
          you girls are too much
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2011, 01:50:47 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          bawahahahahahahahahahaha
          deformation lol
          you do that boy. I'll wait here ha
          i got a finsky..does that mean you gimme 5 blowjobs?
          Comeon wit it. better stop n get the blowjob queen
          the fraud of cl and life itself
          marky the cumbubbler
          you girls are too much

          I am going to bust you hard son, if you don't get your shit together.  

           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :suicide:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :twofinger:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :feedtrolls: :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :fuckoff:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :peace: :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :cheers:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on June 27, 2011, 02:45:29 PM
          I am going to bust you hard son, if you don't get your shit together.  
           
          You are a pansy,a pussy,and a coward
          Its been over 2 years of your meaning less threats and accusations
          Not to mention all most 200 pages of bullshit that you started,created,and maintain on a daily basis
          Lemma know when something(anything) you said carries at least SOME validity
          What the fuck happened to you. How could someone like yourself NOT be an inmate at some institution
          I mean really. WTF happened to you. what makes a person fall this far every fucking day
          You are pathetic
          But if its a fight you want
          You have my address
          Better wear Kevlar!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anti-Troll on June 28, 2011, 01:59:39 PM
          Quote from: "The Truth, be told"
          Just can't sleep maybe this will help....
          First of all everyone that's on here needs to get a life and stop the bashing of individuals back and forth.
          There is comfort for all and you all need help.  Come on, Elan has been shut down..
          But some of you just keep continue from day to day.  Must be like Babitz, living off of the system, has way too much time on their hands or just taking a loved one for granted.  I just found out about this site the end of April 2011.
          Yes I have made time to start from page 1 and have just finished reading every page  last week...
          Have picked up a few people's names that don't use their own but that is besides the point.
          Please beware and be careful, Danny, Matt, liarexposed, Sharon and maybe I am forgetting some of you.  And oh you psy.  I don't know what he has up his sleeve but the stuff I read and conversations I've heard is not something that I would be doing.
          But what the heck Babitz has nothing to lose but the one, law obiding citizen that I am.  Yes I Do Have an OP on him and am not going into that.  Take it for what's it worth and move on.
          Oh and by the way it's MY rental house and MY summer home and MY Jeep and MY Corvette.
          Oh...By the way, you won't be taking it for a ride whenever you want so you can tell your friend that for me....  You know who you are..
          I know you all have friends and that's great, and they are probably all wonderful friends but  be careful cause that is how we started out.  But once he feels comfortable he will try and gain control of you, watch out cause then shit all over you.
          Oh and by the way, I am doing much better in my balance and talking.
          I bet some of you hadn't know about that, but I had to read about Sharon's awful accident.
          Well I hope all is well and I'm sure he will give you the expertise to give you will nedd and probably a few names or too.
          Funny it is, what lie did he tell me when he went to the hospital that day?
          Never ever, ever tell someone a lie, it will only haunt you (no honesty) for the rest of your life.  Thanks Mark... Well unless you are protecting the one thing you truely do have and that is your own life..
          I don't know why he felt like this?
          Well I might be able to sleep and get a few hours in before work now, Good Luck to everyone, as this will be my one and only post, so please I hope you find everything here that you might need to move on with your life's.
          Never posting again, but had to set things right...
          I had to speak "The whole truth and nothing but the truth.." so help me (and everyone here) GOD........ :peace:
          ::OMG::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on June 28, 2011, 09:20:46 PM
          FART your lover Anti-Troll  is back.

          Ban FART, Mark, Sharon and Anti-Troll.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on June 29, 2011, 07:36:35 AM
          Quote from: "ER"
          FART your lover Anti-Troll  is back.

          Ban FART, Mark, Sharon and Anti-Troll.

          And I thought it was you, who was my lover...
          I am crushed...
          all those stories of your personal "homo-erotic" fantasies... The sex toys.. The anal worshipping that you seem to enjoy
          This is all so hard to take
          I am gonna drown my sorrows @ The Busy Bee for breakfast
          Hopefully I will be able to make it through the day
          Coward
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on June 30, 2011, 09:21:23 AM
          Mark is my lover.
          I suck his cock.
          Those stories of gay sex between Mark and I are true.
          I stick my fingers in Mark's ass and he calls me " Daddy Art!"
          He worships my anus and I enjoy it.
          His shaft  is hard and that's the way I like it.
          I am gonna drown my sorrows with whiskey @ The Busy Bee for breakfast.
          Hopefully I will be able to make it through the day without sucking Mark's cock.

          FART

           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :twofinger:  :twofinger: :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on June 30, 2011, 09:58:49 AM
          YAWWWWNNNNN
          Tho its no suprise to find you posting about your faorite pass-time
          Sucking cock and anal sex
          BOOOOORRRRRRINNNG
          Your Homo-Erotic Fantasies are the norm,and I gotta think you could do better
          Ask Felice for some help in writing something noteworthy
          You seem to have lost all your abilities
          Huh Felice!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on July 01, 2011, 07:50:43 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          YAWWWWNNNNN
          Tho its no suprise to find you posting about your faorite pass-time
          Sucking cock and anal sex
          BOOOOORRRRRRINNNG
          Your Homo-Erotic Fantasies are the norm,and I gotta think you could do better
          Ask Felice for some help in writing something noteworthy
          You seem to have lost all your abilities
          Huh Felice!

          Drink some whiskey and drown your sorrows.   ::fullofshit::  ???
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on July 01, 2011, 09:32:08 AM
          ahhh yes. .the attemped cheap shot. .How adult of you
          Whisky = Not in 16 years as of Tuesday
          But your concern for my sobriety is Underwhelming
          Thank you
          You really cant help yourself,can you ?
          Fail Fail and Fail some more
          You should write abook about failure. Noone would read it,but you would extend your failure to another area
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Hope Seely on July 20, 2011, 05:22:03 PM
          All I would like to know is this, ART how do you actually live with yourself? Honestly, how do you manage to find any ounce of good. Your simply the most repulsive human being on this planet. You dare attack everyone on a daily. You simply cannot stop regurgitating stupid discussion all the time. Do you realize all you do is spew vile all the time and now it has gotten to the point no one actually responds to you anymore. You have created a massive whirl wind of bullshit. I still would like to know how come the police never showed up or where are the lawsuits??????????? Unbelievable. Your not a human being.  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Hope Seely on July 20, 2011, 05:22:58 PM
          and as a matter of fact, I have proof you were drinking beers last summer on your shitty boat.  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on July 22, 2011, 12:31:12 PM
          I hear the view from the rooftop,overlooking Wrigley field is nice
          Have a few cold ones,stick your finger up your ass,and jump.
          If you had pics.. You would have posted them
          as usual,you have nothing but hate
          Tonight, before you kill yourself,cuddle up to that hate!
          Loser
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Hope Seely on July 23, 2011, 11:35:41 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          I hear the view from the rooftop,overlooking Wrigley field is nice
          Have a few cold ones,stick your finger up your ass,and jump.
          If you had pics.. You would have posted them
          as usual,you have nothing but hate
          Tonight, before you kill yourself,cuddle up to that hate!
          Loser
          roflmao roflmao your losing your touch perk up or shut the fuck up. Least I do not fuck 8 ball ::fullofshit:: .
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Hope Seely on July 23, 2011, 12:12:21 PM
          Quote from: "ER"
          Mark is my lover.
          I suck his cock.
          Those stories of gay sex between Mark and I are true.
          I stick my fingers in Mark's ass and he calls me " Daddy Art!"
          He worships my anus and I enjoy it.
          His shaft  is hard and that's the way I like it.
          I am gonna drown my sorrows with whiskey @ The Busy Bee for breakfast.
          Hopefully I will be able to make it through the day without sucking Mark's cock.

          FART

           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :twofinger:  :twofinger: :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:
          creative...lmao
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Hope Seely on July 23, 2011, 12:14:45 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          YAWWWWNNNNN
          Tho its no suprise to find you posting about your faorite pass-time
          Sucking cock and anal sex
          BOOOOORRRRRRINNNG
          Your Homo-Erotic Fantasies are the norm,and I gotta think you could do better
          Ask Felice for some help in writing something noteworthy
          You seem to have lost all your abilities
          Huh Felice!
          Felice is more of a woman and a decent person than you ever will be Arthur Warshawski. Much less she does not have warts on her nose. Stupid prick leave Felice alone some of us will not tolerate you attacking her anymore.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on July 23, 2011, 03:22:41 PM
          YAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNN
          If only you had a life,you would be enjoying it, instead of posting little girl games
          and lie after lie
          I truly feel sorry for you
          Grow up
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: jim dandy on July 26, 2011, 11:05:55 PM
          long time since i've been here . sadly the issues don't go away.
          Jim Dandy here. mark, if you you want to threaten me, or my buddy juston... well don't! Just promise instead. i or he will take care of things, that;s what we do.
          i am surprised at you, such a tough guy, and don't know that. I'll remind you. Never, ever threaten, only ever promise. And always make good the promise, no matter the cost. And always know that the cost will be high, so cheap promises are worthless. if the cost is too high, you can back away, no shame in that.
          The shame is in making a threat.
          Jim dandy
          Title: Jim Dandy to the rescue!
          Post by: Froderik on July 27, 2011, 12:42:35 AM
          Go Jim Dandy, go!!  :seg:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on July 27, 2011, 08:07:02 AM
          Quote from: "jim dandy"
          long time since i've been here . sadly the issues don't go away.
          Jim Dandy here. mark, if you you want to threaten me, or my buddy juston... well don't! Just promise instead. i or he will take care of things, that;s what we do.
          i am surprised at you, such a tough guy, and don't know that. I'll remind you. Never, ever threaten, only ever promise. And always make good the promise, no matter the cost. And always know that the cost will be high, so cheap promises are worthless. if the cost is too high, you can back away, no shame in that.
          The shame is in making a threat.
          Jim dandy
                                       
                                               Are you for real ????, you make no sence
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on July 27, 2011, 08:56:27 AM
          Quote from: "Are you for real ???"
          Quote from: "jim dandy"
          long time since i've been here . sadly the issues don't go away.
          Jim Dandy here. mark, if you you want to threaten me, or my buddy juston... well don't! Just promise instead. i or he will take care of things, that;s what we do.
          i am surprised at you, such a tough guy, and don't know that. I'll remind you. Never, ever threaten, only ever promise. And always make good the promise, no matter the cost. And always know that the cost will be high, so cheap promises are worthless. if the cost is too high, you can back away, no shame in that.
          The shame is in making a threat.
          Jim dandy
                                       
                                               Are you for real ????, you make no sence
          Marky is not for real.
          He is a coward,doing what cowards do. Mouth writing checks,his body cant cash
          How about them 50 bikers in my driveway Marky ?
          53 yrs old and still acting out as if you were 10
          Impressive!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on July 28, 2011, 01:40:33 AM
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZir-c3Kuco (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZir-c3Kuco) --- Do we need a referee for this thread?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on July 28, 2011, 07:15:39 AM
          No Ref needed....
          A Rattle,Pacifier,and a bib for the children perhaps
          Must really suck to be them...
          Huh Marky
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on July 29, 2011, 11:19:33 AM
          For the first time in my life I have got to fully..I mean fully agree with the Fartster. He tried to warn me, yes he did. I refused to listen. But now I fully see and found out the hard way. Now that I have been fully screwed by a very disturbed individual not much more I can do but admit Arty was actually fully and unbelievably right. Now Art go mark your calander because you actually told the truth on one factor. MARK is in fact one sick puppy. He had the utter balls to come to my home, and try to split up my marriage. He turned his selfish nose in the air to down grade me and my family, when we extended him a safe place to be. We fed him, we housed him, and the asshole could only complain because I had a massive amount of little kids running around. He called us dirty when kids simply leave messes. How dare he bestow this type of attitude to my husband which unselfishly extended him a place to lay his head while he was carrying on and on over some dumb ass bullshit daily. He simply lost his fucking mind treating me like this. His biggest friend , his supposes best friend, my asshole. He used me for his little song and dance side show. Now Farty dont get this all twisted I still think your a huge piece of shit, and never will I forgive you one ounce for anything you did to me. But fair is fair, you simply won this round. I am not beneath agreeing your right when it comes to Mark. I was shocked bet your ass I was, but Farty you hit the nail on the head this time.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Hope Seely on July 29, 2011, 11:27:26 AM
          From what I hear Mark is totally fucked up in the head. Sharon had to give him his daily meds. He could not even deal with what he had to take. His daughter has to control everything now for him. Sad but true. No one should even listen to the babbling baffoon. He claims he took down Elan all by himself. Way I see it many of us did. One monarch is not the reality. Many of us fought and fought over the years. Where is our justice? One man took down Elan? I do not think so.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on July 29, 2011, 11:32:20 AM
          Hope I had to take down the Core Campaign off of Facebook. Mark was using it for personal gain. I am not going to let him twist the idea of the Core the way he sees fit. He is not going to hurt anyone else in his twisted bullshit. He is not the King of taking down Elan. He took some fucking pictures and acts like it was the most glorous thing on Earth to do. I am seeing the point of moving on and not following in his bullshit anymore. He lost a dear friend due to insulting ways. He can simply live with himself now for I am done dealing with him. Elan is better off closed and buried where it belongs. His loss really for I am a wonderful woman.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on July 29, 2011, 01:10:18 PM
          Sharon
          I really dont care that you dont like me. In fact I welcome it. I ve lived all over this great country of ours,and never have a met a more disturbed person than yourself. Tell me exactly what I have done to you,other than defend myself from yours,and your "core group's" personal attacks both online and otherwise. If while defending myself,I turned to mean,rude tactics.. I suggest you dig deep into your back pocket and look at exactly what your part in this was. I only responded LKQ to what you 2 emotional cripples threw at me
          I am not an "I told you so" kind of person. I am just sad that it had to come to this. In the end, its your responsibility for the demise of Fornits and the bs that ensued after you and your pal began this campaign against me Dec 2 yrs ago. You have had to learn some difficult lessons in life...As have I. But you are far from a victim...So run that bs elsewhere. You made choices that turned against you ... 1 word...
          DUH?
          I truly wish you well
          But I also wish you to stay the hell away from me. I know that no person is the same today,as when they were younger. But you have become someone I,and most people conside toxic/caustic. Thats the part I dont get. You used to be someone I liked and cared for
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on July 29, 2011, 04:20:27 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Sharon
          I really dont care that you dont like me. In fact I welcome it. I ve lived all over this great country of ours,and never have a met a more disturbed person than yourself. Tell me exactly what I have done to you,other than defend myself from yours,and your "core group's" personal attacks both online and otherwise. If while defending myself,I turned to mean,rude tactics.. I suggest you dig deep into your back pocket and look at exactly what your part in this was. I only responded LKQ to what you 2 emotional cripples threw at me
          I am not an "I told you so" kind of person. I am just sad that it had to come to this. In the end, its your responsibility for the demise of Fornits and the bs that ensued after you and your pal began this campaign against me Dec 2 yrs ago. You have had to learn some difficult lessons in life...As have I. But you are far from a victim...So run that bs elsewhere. You made choices that turned against you ... 1 word...
          DUH?
          I truly wish you well
          But I also wish you to stay the hell away from me. I know that no person is the same today,as when they were younger. But you have become someone I,and most people conside toxic/caustic. Thats the part I dont get. You used to be someone I liked and cared for
          LMAO your so full of yourself as usual. Well truth be told today I do not wish to go battle of the witts with you. For I shall be kind and let you heal from your surgery. You are quick to point blame, believe me sweetie many find you quite disturbing, vile, nasty, rude, illiterate, and extremely untrustworthy. So, you need to go look in the mirror and introduce yourself to yourself, then you will find the most disturbed person on fornits...congrats now go live with yourself..P.S. I am still waiting for the cops and lawsuit....muhahahahahaha PRICK.Well I got a life to attend to, I doubt I shall be on for awhile. Have fun babbling to yourself for a few months....bye loser.... :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  :wall:  ::deadhorse::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on July 29, 2011, 06:39:51 PM
          Wow sharon
          thats exactly where I left you the last time we traded dialogue
          Seething with hate
          Glad nothing has changed
          You didnt get sued because you have nothing of value. Would be like pissing into a fan. I am however glad you found someone who will tolerate you,even if its only for a while. Everyone deserves a piece of happiness.
          If you read what I wrote,I owned responsibility for what I said and did,however,it was as a result of yours,and Marky's actions that its gone 2 years and you are still...Wait for it... SEETHING WITH HATE.
          I didnt understand it 2 years ago,and I still dont. What you did was wrong,however you have YET to own responsibility for it publically.. tho on my telephone,several times you claimed to be sorry.. Only to repeat the process over and over
          Tell you what .. You live your life..To the best of your ability.. Have some more kids
          I'll be just fine,as I always have been
          Even better now.. I am a Cancer Survivor
          New Lease on life
          Lechiam
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on July 29, 2011, 10:36:35 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Wow sharon
          thats exactly where I left you the last time we traded dialogue
          Seething with hate
          Glad nothing has changed
          You didnt get sued because you have nothing of value. Would be like pissing into a fan. I am however glad you found someone who will tolerate you,even if its only for a while. Everyone deserves a piece of happiness.
          If you read what I wrote,I owned responsibility for what I said and did,however,it was as a result of yours,and Marky's actions that its gone 2 years and you are still...Wait for it... SEETHING WITH HATE.
          I didnt understand it 2 years ago,and I still dont. What you did was wrong,however you have YET to own responsibility for it publically.. tho on my telephone,several times you claimed to be sorry.. Only to repeat the process over and over
          Tell you what .. You live your life..To the best of your ability.. Have some more kids
          I'll be just fine,as I always have been
          Even better now.. I am a Cancer Survivor
          New Lease on life
          Lechiam

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          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on July 30, 2011, 07:31:52 AM
          First off I do not hate you, second I am praying you are alright. I had no idea you had cancer. I am not in wishes to go toe to toe with you at all anymore. You can make fun of my life all you want, but fact is my life is mine and I am very happy. Regardless if you approve or not. It does not matter to me if you do. Besides you got more serious problems then to respond to me in battle of the witts.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on July 30, 2011, 09:56:11 AM
          Sharon
          I dont care to go toe to toe with anyone. Well maybe Marky.. But cowards like him are a dime a dozen. I am extremely fortunate that this tumor was found when it was. I am recovering nicely
          I am very happy for you and your new husband.
          You think I care about being right about Mark ? I really dont. He is a zero. Always was,always will be.
          As I said from the start.. This whole 2 yr thing has been about Mark.. You were manipulated,and conned by an expert. This is what he does to everyone he comes in contact with. I wouldnt feel too bad about falling for his dishonesty.
          As far as how I am seen by this "community" or even the Elan community.. DO you think I actually give a damn what some sick fuck in Ct thinks of me,or the other sick fuck in Ca ?
          I live with myself just fine. I keep my side of the street clean. I help others. I care about myself and others. Even you Sharon !
          I hope everything works out the way you want it
          God Bless you
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2011, 12:14:01 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Sharon

          I am a fag and don't   care to go toe to toe with anyone. Well maybe Marky. But cock suckers like myself  are a dime a dozen. I am extremely fortunate the tumor was found on my cock, when it was. It is  recovering nicely.

          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 02, 2011, 04:54:31 PM
          :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  You still here trying to convince everyone that you are a victum :rasta:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  

          Oh how  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: you are. Go crawl back under a rock with your favorite dildo fella. :jamin:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on August 03, 2011, 01:01:54 AM
          Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
          :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  You still here trying to convince everyone that you are a victum :rasta:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  

          Oh how  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit:: you are. Go crawl back under a rock with your favorite dildo fella. :jamin:

          http://www.mysexstash.com/pics/her_first_anal_sex_2.jpg (http://www.mysexstash.com/pics/her_first_anal_sex_2.jpg)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 03, 2011, 10:15:01 AM
          Marky and Aaron
          Who woulda thought that the 2 biggest trolls on the planet would team up (in perfect harmony) to continue the game
          I am proud of you both
          Not only are you the only ones continueing to make fools of yourselves..
          But you two have found the perfect relationship together
          At least for now
          Marky will be back in prison shortly,then Aaron will have to find some cock elsewhere
          Swallow all you can now Aaron
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on August 03, 2011, 12:37:51 PM
          Ban Art, Danny, Mark and Sharon!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 03, 2011, 01:19:26 PM
          :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  why is it everytime you respond, you talk about sucking dicks :rasta:  Are you that fixated from sucking dicks that you cant stop talking about it ::OMG::  ::OMG::  ::OMG::
          It's a shame that you haven't  :suicide:  yet. Or that cancer hasn't taken you out ::unhappy:: . You most likely got cancer from being a prick :poison:  :poison:


          Here's to ya fella  :twofinger:  :twofinger:

          Here's to your cancer  :cheers:  :cheers:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 03, 2011, 01:26:57 PM
          My goal in life is to be a bit more like you
          Less the anal sex,sex toys,and swallowing cum
          No person on the planet could compete with you on that level
          Oh
          btw
          Its pretty funny to watch you cry about Arty
          Thanks for the laughs
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on August 03, 2011, 06:43:12 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"

          My goal in life is to be a faggot and suck dicks

          I love the anal sex, sex toys and swallowing cum    

          Oh
          btw

          Its pretty funny to watch me cry about Mark

          You'll get a good laugh

          Ban Art, Danny, Mark and Sharon :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 04, 2011, 09:50:59 AM
          What  ?
          No Fecal Matter stories?
          you are not living up to your own illness. I am disapointed
          Tell everyone another homo-erotic story
          Describe in detail your anal sex fantasies
          We're waiting
          Oh thats right.. Noone gives a shit,dont participate here,could care less except to feel sorry
          for a lonely,nasty,attention seeking little man
          Sux to be you
          Tell you what. .You come out to the Penny road pub tomorrow night
          I'll buy you a drink.. should be about 500 people to see my band
          I bet you get some attention there. Backseat of police cars,handcuffs
          Right up your alley
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 05, 2011, 09:35:49 AM
          :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  is that where you eat your  ::puke::  ::puke:: shit sandwiches ::puke::  ::puke::  :rasta:  Also suck dick in the bathroom :rasta:  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 05, 2011, 10:46:40 AM
          Wont be long Marky
          Wont be long after the homeless men's cumstains have dried on your chin and shirt
          and you will be up to 200 pages of nonsense
          I just cant wait to read it
          Loser
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on August 06, 2011, 11:53:42 AM
          Quote from: "The`douche bag  liarsexposed"
          My cock is not long Marky!  :twofinger:  :rocker:  :beat:
          Wont be long until the homeless men's cumstains have dried on my chin and shirt
          and I will be up to 200 pages of nonsense
          I just cant wait for you to read it
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on August 06, 2011, 11:58:27 AM
          Ban Art, Danny, Mark and Sharon :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 06, 2011, 05:57:00 PM
          Too funny
          Asswipe like yourself seething with hate
          Another sick product of Fornits
          Aaron ... Suicisde IS the solution
          I willpersonally donate 500 bucks to the charity of Fornits choice
          upon confirmation of your impending suicide
          Look at what your life has been reduced to
          Today is a good day to die
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on August 17, 2011, 02:20:51 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed sucks cock for money"
          Too funny
          Asswipes like myself seething with hate
          Another sick product of Fornits
          Suicisde IS the solution for me.  
          I will personally donate 500 bucks to the charity of Fornits choice
          Upon confirmation of my impending suicide
          Look at what  my life has has been reduced to
          Today is a good day to die

          Ban Art, Danny, Mark and Sharon :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on August 17, 2011, 09:58:08 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Marky and Aaron
          Who woulda thought that the 2 biggest trolls on the planet would team up (in perfect harmony) to continue the game
          I am proud of you both
          Not only are you the only ones continueing to make fools of yourselves..
          But you two have found the perfect relationship together
          At least for now
          Marky will be back in prison shortly,then Aaron will have to find some cock elsewhere
          Swallow all you can now Aaron
          I have to fully agree with you here, these to absolute morons wont stop. I got a nice little message this morning in my Facebook. As many can see....I rarely show up on Fornits anymore..why??? BECAUSE I got a life to attend too. Seems Mark's doctor stablized him enough to get back on the internet..wow let me write the prick a thank you card. As for Aaron, any guy that has to leave the fucking country to find a job is not worth a piss in the wind. I am actually proud of them to, and you know what it makes perfect sense, they both are deluding themselves that they actually are making progress in the teen industry. Yes, they sure are pointing out what truly happens as a direct result of placement, they are the outcome. I am sure on a one to one level they both can be quite pleasant people, however they have both bestowed nasty sides on the internet. I can give a fuck less about either of these two rat asses. I am just glad I am not being sucked into the lying bullshit anymore. I am glad someone like liarexposed never gave up to make sure I would eventually see the truth. I am glad liarexposed held in there and knew what head shit Mark was pulling on me this whole time. I am glad Mark and Aaron's true colors are spewing out so openly online. In that I thank Art fully.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on August 17, 2011, 10:08:45 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Too funny
          Asswipe like yourself seething with hate
          Another sick product of Fornits
          Aaron ... Suicisde IS the solution
          I willpersonally donate 500 bucks to the charity of Fornits choice
          upon confirmation of your impending suicide
          Look at what your life has been reduced to
          Today is a good day to die
          SO SO So funny, but hey do not steal all the glory...My husband and I will also donate 1000.00 for Fornits as well upon the destruction (not suicide) of trollies. Especially the complete banning of Mark and Aaron (Cyber God). I never thought this day would come, but yes it has...I fully and absolutely agree with Art. I am so thankful he never backed off, and let me assure everyone at any moment he is right, he could of slammed my ass in jail for the heinous shit we all did to him. I will never be able to thank him enough for knowing what was going on and allowing me time to figure it out on my own. In a sense Art did give a shit about me the most on here because he saw what Mark exploited in me. What Mark did over the past 9 years to Art simply was vile. And I am not to thrilled about some of the threads on here, but you know what, it is what it is, I am just so glad my husband took the time to investigate all the bullshit and have me see what was true on here and not. Mark claims to be the savior of closing Elan, how ridiculous, he was one of many strong people who never backed down. He thinks going and taking pictures he is some fucking warrior...well I seriously doubt that. He is just the one dumb enough to travel on his own dime to MAine. Well, I got a life to attend to ta ta for now........what a beautiful day ahead for me and my family....bye...and guys do me a favor stop emailing me..I got finals today....lmao  :seg:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on August 17, 2011, 10:16:08 AM
          May I suggest to everyone instead of being retarded in this thread to go watch a movie, go for a walk, spend time with family, or simply get a fucking life today..Wow thats a concept.  :birthday:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 18, 2011, 01:08:08 AM
          After all these years...When  :moon:  fArt :moon:  was beat up by a resident at elan, he still holds a grudge and all that embarrassment  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          I would personally like to meet eh person that laid  :moon: fArt :moon:  out on the floor  :roflmao:  and shake his hand!! :rocker:  :rocker:

           :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  is a very insecure man, and likes to turn to homeless men for sex so that he can forget his problems and sorrows for a temporary moment  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  However after all those cocks he sucked over the decades,  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  has grown accustomed to having them in his mouth, along with a few bottles that makes him a drunken, raving, homosexual, perverted child molestor.  ::puke::

          Can't you see the punishment  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :rasta:  You got cancer for being such an asshole, prick, child abuser, alcoholic homosexual. Your bad life style is being judged fella :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  And they will be marking your grave stone soon enough. You are a bad person, a very bad person with horrid intentions fella. :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:

          I am happy that you are now being judged and your one way ticket to hell will soon be here.  :cheers:

          Don't let your dildos burn up on your trip down to hell fella :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  Cause I hear the devil's dildos are very painful!!! :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Che Gookin on August 18, 2011, 01:37:02 AM
          If Sharon has managed to collect 1000 in funds from her welfare checks and donates them to fornits I'll accept a ban. I rarely ever come here anymore as it is.

          But only after the cheque has cleared.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: SharonMcCarthy on August 18, 2011, 06:20:36 AM
          Quote from: "Che Gookin"
          If Sharon has managed to collect 1000 in funds from her welfare checks and donates them to fornits I'll accept a ban. I rarely ever come here anymore as it is.

          But only after the cheque has cleared.
          Classy, stupid where is your proof on my income fag??? you make me laugh how easily guided you are by Mark...Hope you two morons are having fun stalking me on Facebook..weirdos..Mark would do us all a favor by simply shutting the fuck up with his nonsense. His love for Debi Levin is ridiculous, she is a married woman. He is nothing and always be nothing to people with good sense. As for you Aaron no one listens to the staffer that had to leave the country after being employed by one of the worst treatment centers, so yeah keep going smarty. Laugh it up, you know nothing but rumors..shows how completely ignorant you truly are. Does Marky hold your dick while you piss too or can you even think for yourself asshole??
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Che Gookin on August 18, 2011, 06:47:39 AM
          Again, I'll accept a perma-ban in this name if Sharon can cough up the 1000 American dollars and the cheque clears.

          As for Mark, weren't you the one so hot and bothered to defend his neurotic ass over getting banned from fornits facebook?

          And I thought it was the other way around you trying to stalk me. Unless mark is setting up profiles like yours and trying to get me to add you/him to my friend's list.

          If not, well then it is you who is doing the stalking, I can't be bothered to figure out who the fuck you are on Facebook.

          Tread carefully Farty, sounds like sharon and mark are running a game on you.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 18, 2011, 07:46:14 AM
          Aaron
          The game is over. If Sharon/Marky are running a game... and thats VERY possible.. They will be playing with themselves....
          Which for Marky,would be the norm. He,like yourself,is a nasty little coward. I really dont care to participate in this game with any of you. You are mentally incapacitated.
          As far as Sharon's experience with Marky goes. I find her credible only because this is what Marky does to everyone. He cant control himself,and its just a matter of time untill he goes to prison for one thing or another. He is comfy in prison,yet dangerous in society. Marky turned on Sharon when she would no longer participate in his ugly fantasies and self delusions. Just as I predicted a long time ago. He can only fool some of the people,some of the time,, But only for a short time. I am relatively impressed that he could carry this game 2 yrs with Sharon. Gotta be some kind of a record for him.
          Again,if either of them had anything of value,I would've sued them years ago and won. However "pissing in the wind" is not in the cards for this guy. I simply havent the time,desire,or energy.
          Marky has again lost everything,including his mind. Sharon perhaps has some quality of life left. Marky is dead to me. He has only furthered the opinion/idea that he is mentall ill.... and severely. Marky has noone,and nothing except a few posessions that I am not interested in. I find justice in the fact that he has to live his life,alone,with noone.
          To me,a life without friends,love,and companionship,is far worse than anything he could type out in this cesspool that he has worked SO  hard to create.
          My sincere hope for Marky. .Is that when he recieves no more attention from me.. He comes to my home to harrass me. Will be the equivelent to suicide.. AS I will be pleased to offer him 11 or 12 pieces of hot lead. Based on his ramblings,harrassment..All of which, are WELL documented. No court in the land would convict me.
          So Marky.. I raise my coffee cup this morning to you. Here's to your impending suicide.. However it comes about!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 18, 2011, 12:35:50 PM
          Oh poor wittle   :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  There there fella, The devil will be compasionate at first when you first meet him and offer you some tissues to wipe away your tears.

          Then he will roast your ass over a hot flame for all eternity.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          How does it feel  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  knowing you are nearing your end of days :rasta:  :rasta:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 19, 2011, 06:42:24 AM
          Mr Marky
          DId you have to go to the Library to post here?
          This will be my last post to you Marky,as its just no fun, to watch an obviously mentally challenged adult,have this kind of breakdown.We know you are hurting Marky. We "get" that it sux to be you. You have been humiliated,publically. Your life (if you want to call it that) isnt worth a bucket of piss. Do they have computers @ the Homeless shelter ? I betyou are very comfy @ night,all cuddled up to your hate. This is your sentence for being a sick,demented asshole most of your life. Cant really blame elan for your illness. After all,you are in your 50's now. Maybe you shoulda,coulda,grown up into a productive young man.. But now.. all thats left for you,is to finish your sentence on this earth. ALONE!
          I hope you get a cool Cellie.
          You are a very sick man. I feel sorry for you. You should kill yourself. Make it your last good deed.
          Do it for the sake of all the people you have harmed during this miserable existance you call life.
          Best of luck,as there wont be a funeral. Nobody would come!
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 19, 2011, 12:52:25 PM
          Don't you worry  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  After they bury you I'll make sure I walk my dog over to your grave site so he can crap all over your grave.  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  
          Then after a nice rain storm all that crap will seep down to your rotting corpse and drip into your coffin eventially. :jamin:  You will still have access to fecal matter even after you're under ground, seeing how admire eating shit sandwiches all the time. :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 19, 2011, 05:41:35 PM
          eventially ???????
          LOL
          Still the laughingstock huh Marky
          You are so angry
          Do the voices tell you how fucking stupid you really are ?
          sorry.. I had to stop in and laugh at you some more
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2011, 07:47:23 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          eventially ???????
          LOL
          I am the laughingstock Marky ::OMG::
          I am an angry faggot ::OMG::
          The voices in my head tell me how fucking stupid I really am! ::OMG::
          Sorry.. I had to talk out of my ass so people would laugh at me some more   ::OMG::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2011, 07:49:58 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          eventially ??????? ::OMG::
          LOL ::OMG::
          I am the laughingstock Marky ::OMG::
          I am an angry faggot ::OMG::
          The voices in my head tell me how fucking stupid I am ::OMG::
          Sorry.. I had to talk out of my ass so people would laugh at me some more   ::OMG::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: The Elan Reporter on August 19, 2011, 08:43:53 PM
          I heard that  :moon:  :moon: fArt :moon:  :moon:  had a custom coffin built for him in the shape of a dildo :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

          And the inside of the dildo coffin has real dildos that dangle down from the lid right over where  :moon:  :moon: fArt's :moon:  :moon:  head would be :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:


           :twofinger:  :twofinger: fArt :twofinger:  :twofinger:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 19, 2011, 09:30:09 PM
          Wow
          Either they have Wi-fi @ the Salvation Army Homeless shelter
          or
          You were at the Library all day posting hate
          I guess that Lakefront home didnt work out for you..the "cabin" in Wi no longer available?
          Or the Corvette,... and whatever toys you were able to manipulate out of others
          Dude.. Have you even EVER done any work in your life at all ?
          Well Marky.. I will leave you to all your dildo fantasies,fecal fantasies,and anal sex with men
          Pretty sure thats where I found you
          10 years ago
          Look at all you have accomplished since then
          LOL
          If you can make your way out to Highwood tomorrow. WIll buy you a drink
          If you act like an ass,will be a multitude of people to throw/knock your ass out
          while the rest of us are with our new husband's/girlfriends/friends/family and such
          You go cuddle up to that hate boy
          (I do mean boy)
          Good night Marky
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 19, 2011, 09:30:52 PM
          Oh Hey Marky
          one more thing
          SUICIDE IS THE SOLUTION !
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2011, 10:12:44 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Oh Hey Marky
          one more thing
          SUICIDE IS THE SOLUTION FOR ME!

           :jawdrop:  :jawdrop: :bump:  :beat:  :beat:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :feedtrolls: :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on August 20, 2011, 01:55:10 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Wow

          I use Wi-fi @ the Salvation Army Homeless shelter ::OMG::

          and ::OMG::

          I was at the library all day posting hate ::OMG::

          My home  didnt work out for me! ::OMG::

          Or my boat,... and anal sex toys I was  able to manipulate out of others  ::OMG::

          Marky I  have NEVER done any work in my life at all! ::OMG::

          Marky.. I will have dildo fantasies,fecal fantasies,and anal sex with men ::OMG::

          Pretty sure thats where I was ::OMG::

          10 years ago ::OMG::

          Look at what I have accomplished since then ::OMG::

          nothing ::OMG::

          If I can make my way out to Highwood tomorrow. WIll you buy me a drink? ::OMG::

          If I act like an ass, there will be a multitude of people to throw/knock my ass out ::OMG::

          while the rest of them suck cock for $$$  ::OMG::

          I will cuddle up to boys ::OMG::

          (I do mean boys) ::OMG::

          Good night Marky  ::OMG::

           :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :rasta:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  ::fullofshit::  :jamin:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  ::fullofshit::  ::deadhorse::  :feedtrolls:  :seg:  :cheers:  :cheers: ::fullofshit::  ::fullofshit::  :roflmao:  :roflmao:    :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat: :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat: :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat: :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat: :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:  :beat:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on August 21, 2011, 10:42:55 AM
          Hey Marky
          You are getting worse. You are not making any sense. Probably time for another dose of SSRI's.
          You are in your 50's yet write like a 4th grader  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:
          How sad for you  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:
          I know for fact that Lake County has a Literacy program. Its free,and they probably serve some snacks and coffee. You could get a meal,and become a much better writer. Perhaps a better person... tho that would be a stretch  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
          Look at the bright side Marky. Now you dont have to clean up the Goose shit any more! :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          I bet that truck of yours is a comfy place to sleep. I have a few extra blankets if you need :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          You know how I worry about you !  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          Kiss
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on September 12, 2011, 10:15:25 AM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Hey Marky
          I am a cock sucker who is  getting worse. I am not making any sense. Probably time for another dose of SSRI's.
          I am an old faggot who writes like a 4th grader
          How sad for my  fat ass
          There is a Literacy program where I live.   Its free,and they probably serve some snacks and coffee. I will get a meal,and become a much better writer. Perhaps a better person... tho that would be a stretch
          Look at the bright side Marky. I dont have to clean up the Goose shit any more!  
          my shitty boat is a comfy place to sleep. I have a few extra blankets when i need them  
          People worry about me!  
          Kiss
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on September 12, 2011, 11:28:36 AM
          Is that you again Marky ?
          They let you out of the assylum ? Or was it Prison ?
          I bet you are shitting over a bathtub nowadays
          why dont you stop this bullshit and act like a man?
          We would settle for you acting like an adult
          If you come by at lunchtime,will feed you
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on October 04, 2011, 04:45:00 PM
          This is my first and last post, i just wanted everyone in this forum to read with their own eyes... your all worthless! Day in and Day out you do nothing but bitch and complain. Why not just let life unravel itself for those who deserve it. I dont know all of you but ik more than i need to know. Anyone who has posted continuaslly for 183 pages is a waste of o2. I have not read all the pages course in reality who the fuck would want to.. between sucking dicks dildos and malesters who the fuck has the time or passion to follow this thread. Mark you are by far the worst troll ever! sharron a worthless cunt. Art can go die as well. Your all worthless pieces of shit, One day when you all finally stop wasting good citezens air, i will rejoice on your grave, that is if your families even care enough when your gone. ANYONE WHO READS THIS OR REPLIES NEEDS A LIFE!!!!! What do all you fucks do for a living? Mark I know you suck dicks for a Quarter a piece, but the rest of you? I imagine u collect unemployment and my tax dollars. Why dont you do something perductive with your lives and get rid of this fucking site. Get a job, Get a life, get a gf/bf, why go on with life knowing when your gone you didnt acomplish anything? all you stupid fucking trolls can rot in hell. If i ever met any of you again it would be the last. You all Fail at life! You all make misery for yourselves when you log in. Some may not think so you might laugh when you post, but before you post you have to think of the most aweful discusting things that have happened to you and then type it about someone else. You dumb fucks get off on others pain and its really sad, Like i said Let life unravel for those that you know deserve it. Its gods job to decide when he takes worthless fucks not yours! Think before you post again! Your wasting your time and feeding the trolls who thrive on it. Course your all trolls. thats why theres 180 some fucking pages... I think i just wasted my time! But have fun posting, and wasting your miserable lives away, wish youd do it a little faster and eliminate your selves from my beautiful piece of land. TROLLS CAN ALL FUCKING ROT AND DIE! I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO SHITTING ON ALL OF YOUR GRAVES WHEN YOUR GONE... Good luck to all Hope you all can stop suffering one day... execpt Mark He can suffer to the farthest extent of tourture. One day the devil will butt fuck you just like you did to those little boys! You worthless FUCK
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on October 04, 2011, 07:39:03 PM
          Quote from: "epic fail"
          This is my first and last post, i just wanted everyone in this forum to read with their own eyes... your all worthless! Day in and Day out you do nothing but bitch and complain. Why not just let life unravel itself for those who deserve it. I dont know all of you but ik more than i need to know. Anyone who has posted continuaslly for 183 pages is a waste of o2. I have not read all the pages course in reality who the fuck would want to.. between sucking dicks dildos and malesters who the fuck has the time or passion to follow this thread. Mark you are by far the worst troll ever! sharron a worthless cunt. Art can go die as well. Your all worthless pieces of shit, One day when you all finally stop wasting good citezens air, i will rejoice on your grave, that is if your families even care enough when your gone. ANYONE WHO READS THIS OR REPLIES NEEDS A LIFE!!!!! What do all you fucks do for a living? Mark I know you suck dicks for a Quarter a piece, but the rest of you? I imagine u collect unemployment and my tax dollars. Why dont you do something perductive with your lives and get rid of this fucking site. Get a job, Get a life, get a gf/bf, why go on with life knowing when your gone you didnt acomplish anything? all you stupid fucking trolls can rot in hell. If i ever met any of you again it would be the last. You all Fail at life! You all make misery for yourselves when you log in. Some may not think so you might laugh when you post, but before you post you have to think of the most aweful discusting things that have happened to you and then type it about someone else. You dumb fucks get off on others pain and its really sad, Like i said Let life unravel for those that you know deserve it. Its gods job to decide when he takes worthless fucks not yours! Think before you post again! Your wasting your time and feeding the trolls who thrive on it. Course your all trolls. thats why theres 180 some fucking pages... I think i just wasted my time! But have fun posting, and wasting your miserable lives away, wish youd do it a little faster and eliminate your selves from my beautiful piece of land. TROLLS CAN ALL FUCKING ROT AND DIE! I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO SHITTING ON ALL OF YOUR GRAVES WHEN YOUR GONE... Good luck to all Hope you all can stop suffering one day... execpt Mark He can suffer to the farthest extent of tourture. One day the devil will butt fuck you just like you did to those little boys! You worthless FUCK

          This was written by someone from ELAN because they all have poor writing skills.  

          Ban Mark, Art, Wayne, Danny and Sharon!   :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on October 04, 2011, 08:13:55 PM
          wrong again er
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Troublemaker on October 10, 2011, 09:35:33 AM
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          Matty be careful I visit your hometowne with about 250 other AA men for a conference every May look it up. I should be seeing you in May. We just may corral you and before you know it you be brainwashed. Oh and If I forgot to tell you that I come to your hometown ( like I forgot to tell you about being a Ex-Ass. Dir.) sorry I was going to surprise you.
          Now I know you don't want to start talking about the mother of your children do you Matt, please leave mine out of this conversation. I mentioned it for reference, she went on to post to Ursus. Not you.
          Matt whenever you want to crawl out of your whoa is me, the Ex Ass Dir is picking on me routine that would be nice. Your 51 now grow up. Remember you said that you worked thru this, well act like it.
          This is Danny now has been since 1978....So nice try so many others were there before you pulling this shit, read it Matt. What are you 15 again. If that is the case then please be serious for the sake of others. Matt you can't spin this on me buddy sorry take your latent anger out on your counselors. I gave you every opportunity to get honest and you never did. Why because Matty did not want to look like he was siding with a Ass.Director in front of all his Elan resident buddies. Boy that would look horrible....Go back Matt to a phone call I had with you asking you why Mark was posting on facebook that I was a driver flunky for Joe. He knew I was a Ass. Director from my post on a site Sharon had. No this is the explanation you wanted to believe in order to hang out with me. Fine I could have accepted that if you had from the beginning just said I have a problem with associating with you because of.
          But you did not you chose a very disrespectful way trash me publically, remember you started this publically I spoke first in private, so don't go running around acting like your innocent.
          Danny
          Ass director :)
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Troublemaker on October 10, 2011, 09:36:28 AM
          Quote from: "Antigen"
          Danny, that was a threat. In literal terms, ya know to the eye of someone who hadn't lived things like a cowboy ass whoopin or tight house it probably doesn't look like a credible threat at all. Why, one might have a hard as hell time getting a cop or judge or even one's own well paid private attorney to really understand what was so upsetting about that. I mean, it's absurd, right? The sheer logistics involved, never mind the social engineering that would be required to get 250 Stepcraft devout to leave their seminar to go fuck with someone they don't even know.

          But let me tell ya something, brother! I read it again pretending that John Underwood or Wanda Minton or Miller Newton or Lybbi MacDonald had written it to me. Even though none of those people currently have the practical ability to fuck with me like that anymore, the memory of it leaves a primal, irrational terror that never really completely goes away. Trouble for you is that the vast majority of your audience here is... different from the rest of the world; both inside and outside of those closed circles. See, most people don't know fuck all about how this shit works. Them that do, well normally they only gather and commune among the devout, having little (if any) contact one with another outside of those closed groups.

          Here? It's a whole nother color of a hourse here. Here we have people who are not among the devout but who do have varied and vast experience with those closed communities. Enough, I think, to call you on your shit without much thought. See, your rhythm of thought has a pungent and familiar smell. You should expose yourself to more fresh air and sunshine and try and defunkify your thinking. That's my opinion, anyway.

          And for you to come back with something as fucking simple as suggesting out loud to the room that there ever was any threat to begin with and, why, how silly of anyone to have taken it that way? Buddy, if you're not doing your level best to pull every trigger and push every button in your perceived enemies, well then I may well be outmatched!

          Good day!























          Good DAY!!

























          I said "GOOD DAY!!!"
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB II on October 13, 2011, 07:58:22 PM
          Remember what Antigen said, "Trouble Maker". I can bring those 250 alkies to your house too.... :rofl:

          You know what is so hilarious about that response from Antigen concerning Matt's feeling of being threaten.
          Matt came in to Elan in 1974 I didn't get there until 1975, Matt was a staff member while I was
          still a resident. So how in the fuck is Antigen's analogy supposed to work concerning me.
          Matt taught me everything I know he was senior to me, he was my teacher.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on October 13, 2011, 08:17:44 PM
          Did Matt rape children too?
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on October 13, 2011, 08:23:36 PM
          Danny diddled his nieces. Alan was going to straighten him out so Danny had him killed
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on October 13, 2011, 08:35:28 PM
          Danny, you never knew Matt. He said if he met you he would have stomped a mud hole in your faggot ass chest
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Froderik on October 13, 2011, 10:38:36 PM
          Quote from: "Marc Rosenberg"
          Danny, you never knew Matt. He said if he met you he would have stomped a mud hole in your faggot ass chest


           :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB II on October 14, 2011, 02:42:17 PM
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          Remember what Antigen said, "Trouble Maker". I can bring those 250 alkies to your house too.... :rofl:

          You know what is so hilarious about that response from Antigen concerning Matt's feeling of being threaten.
          Matt came in to Elan in 1974 I didn't get there until 1975, Matt was a staff member while I was
          still a resident. So how in the fuck is Antigen's analogy supposed to work concerning me.
          Matt taught me everything I know he was senior to me, he was my teacher.

           :bump:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on October 14, 2011, 03:12:07 PM
          Matt said you a bitch ass punk and a punk ass bitch. lol
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Troublemaker on October 22, 2011, 01:50:45 AM
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          Remember what Antigen said, "Trouble Maker". I can bring those 250 alkies to your house too.... :rofl:

          You know what is so hilarious about that response from Antigen concerning Matt's feeling of being threaten.
          Matt came in to Elan in 1974 I didn't get there until 1975, Matt was a staff member while I was
          still a resident. So how in the fuck is Antigen's analogy supposed to work concerning me.
          Matt taught me everything I know he was senior to me, he was my teacher.

           :bump:
          You don't scare me Danny. You're obviously a coward. 250 people like you would still need an army to face a real man. That's why you pick on women

           :fuckoff:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2011, 02:38:39 AM
          You got me there lol
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on October 23, 2011, 06:31:55 AM
          Danny is afraid of me and Im a faggot  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on November 10, 2011, 05:27:54 PM
          babitz is still around put your kids away
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on November 27, 2011, 12:30:18 PM
          ::unhappy::
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 05, 2011, 08:17:05 AM
          Fuck off stranger.  :suicide:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 06, 2011, 11:07:18 PM
          :beat:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2011, 12:46:12 AM
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          Matty be careful I visit your hometowne with about 250 other AA men for a conference every May look it up. I should be seeing you in May. We just may corral you and before you know it you be brainwashed. Oh and If I forgot to tell you that I come to your hometown ( like I forgot to tell you about being a Ex-Ass. Dir.) sorry I was going to surprise you.
          Now I know you don't want to start talking about the mother of your children do you Matt, please leave mine out of this conversation. I mentioned it for reference, she went on to post to Ursus. Not you.
          Matt whenever you want to crawl out of your whoa is me, the Ex Ass Dir is picking on me routine that would be nice. Your 51 now grow up. Remember you said that you worked thru this, well act like it.
          This is Danny now has been since 1978....So nice try so many others were there before you pulling this shit, read it Matt. What are you 15 again. If that is the case then please be serious for the sake of others. Matt you can't spin this on me buddy sorry take your latent anger out on your counselors. I gave you every opportunity to get honest and you never did. Why because Matty did not want to look like he was siding with a Ass.Director in front of all his Elan resident buddies. Boy that would look horrible....Go back Matt to a phone call I had with you asking you why Mark was posting on facebook that I was a driver flunky for Joe. He knew I was a Ass. Director from my post on a site Sharon had. No this is the explanation you wanted to believe in order to hang out with me. Fine I could have accepted that if you had from the beginning just said I have a problem with associating with you because of.
          But you did not you chose a very disrespectful way trash me publically, remember you started this publically I spoke first in private, so don't go running around acting like your innocent.
          Danny
          :bump:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2011, 01:26:58 AM
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          Quote from: "SEKTO"
          Free speech gives one the right to say whatever one wants, but it does not mean that one can say whatever one wants, wherever one wants to say it.  You may remember the old saying about yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater.

          " A kind of thinking in which maintaining group agreement overrides a careful consideration of the facts in a realistic manner."  

          What is the term for such a state?

          SEKTO,
          This is fornits not the Regency Club Benefit, free speech is understood here that is true but what you seem to not understand, Dragging around a girl behind a car is a malicious degrading allegation to ask someone who dedicated 3 years to help keep her alive, only to here she was beat to death anyway. So please stop with your emotions, I purposely cut you all the way to the bone so we would be on the same level of pain and still you fight.
          We are not different SEKTO, so stop marginalizing me.
          Danny
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2011, 09:28:41 AM
          Quote from: "Elan Detective"
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          Quote from: "SEKTO"
          Free speech gives one the right to say whatever one wants, but it does not mean that one can say whatever one wants, wherever one wants to say it.  You may remember the old saying about yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater.

          " A kind of thinking in which maintaining group agreement overrides a careful consideration of the facts in a realistic manner."  

          What is the term for such a state?

          SEKTO,
          This is fornits not the Regency Club Benefit, free speech is understood here that is true but what you seem to not understand, Dragging around a girl behind a car is a malicious degrading allegation to ask someone who dedicated 3 years to help keep her alive, only to here she was beat to death anyway. So please stop with your emotions, I purposely cut you all the way to the bone so we would be on the same level of pain and still you fight.
          We are not different SEKTO, so stop marginalizing me.

          Threats and like he said he will cut you to the bone because he enjoys doing it  and has a sick need to hurt.  He is  a brainwashed marginalized psuedo intelectual , that has no clue what elan was and what it did to people. Bennisons inability to see what elan did to people is directly related to his cognitive perception as to what elan was. He loved it and when people say they suffered there ,and blame elan and his ilk for the serious PTSD that adults now suffer from as a direct result of elan and its sick sadistic cronies that ran that shithole of a fraud of a treatment center, he blames them for their inability to see that the serious abuse that elan and his ilk doled out was good for them.

          He really has no compassion for the many that took their lives ,rather than ask elan for  more help ; ie more sick abuse to be heaped on them, instead they chose death .

          He marginalizes those who suffer  today as being weak, and believes the deluded  elan pilosophy that every one was the same. The sound of chaos,and dissodence that screams in his head that he can only hear all due   because of his ill concieved perception ,his belief that elan was good and the conflict  reality of the fact of what elan really was is the reason he has to as he said "cut people to the bone " and hurt people who are survivors of any program. All because of his unrealistic way that he views elan that manifests as his opinion. Remember bennisons  opinion is the only one that counts , at least in his mind which he has more than once expressed that only he is right on the hollowed pages of fornits.

          In his mind all survivors are losers , unless they agree with him ,and woe to those who do not. Setko he is very different from you ,and do not let him try to convince you other wise. He was a supreme abuser of children  then and abuser of  survivors to this day , you Setko are a rational human being and are kind and compassionate soul  to your fellow survivors , you know the truth. Don't you ever allow yourself to be brought down by his insanity  to his marginal level for he is as insignificant as there are blades of leaves on grass found every where.
          Danny
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2011, 04:27:04 PM
          :suicide:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2011, 06:54:15 PM
          .
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on December 27, 2011, 10:38:09 AM
          Quote from: "And so Danny Bennison , the threatening program Survivior  abuser has spoken"
          Quote from: "Elan Detective"
          Quote from: "DannyB II"
          Quote from: "SEKTO"
          Free speech gives one the right to say whatever one wants, but it does not mean that one can say whatever one wants, wherever one wants to say it.  You may remember the old saying about yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater.

          " A kind of thinking in which maintaining group agreement overrides a careful consideration of the facts in a realistic manner."  

          What is the term for such a state?

          SEKTO,
          This is fornits not the Regency Club Benefit, free speech is understood here that is true but what you seem to not understand, Dragging around a girl behind a car is a malicious degrading allegation to ask someone who dedicated 3 years to help keep her alive, only to here she was beat to death anyway. So please stop with your emotions, I purposely cut you all the way to the bone so we would be on the same level of pain and still you fight.
          We are not different SEKTO, so stop marginalizing me.

          Threats and like he said he will cut you to the bone because he enjoys doing it  and has a sick need to hurt.  He is  a brainwashed marginalized psuedo intelectual , that has no clue what elan was and what it did to people. Bennisons inability to see what elan did to people is directly related to his cognitive perception as to what elan was. He loved it and when people say they suffered there ,and blame elan and his ilk for the serious PTSD that adults now suffer from as a direct result of elan and its sick sadistic cronies that ran that shithole of a fraud of a treatment center, he blames them for their inability to see that the serious abuse that elan and his ilk doled out was good for them.

          He really has no compassion for the many that took their lives ,rather than ask elan for  more help ; ie more sick abuse to be heaped on them, instead they chose death .

          He marginalizes those who suffer  today as being weak, and believes the deluded  elan pilosophy that every one was the same. The sound of chaos,and dissodence that screams in his head that he can only hear all due   because of his ill concieved perception ,his belief that elan was good and the conflict  reality of the fact of what elan really was is the reason he has to as he said "cut people to the bone " and hurt people who are survivors of any program. All because of his unrealistic way that he views elan that manifests as his opinion. Remember bennisons  opinion is the only one that counts , at least in his mind which he has more than once expressed that only he is right on the hollowed pages of fornits.

          In his mind all survivors are losers , unless they agree with him ,and woe to those who do not. Setko he is very different from you ,and do not let him try to convince you other wise. He was a supreme abuser of children  then and abuser of  survivors to this day , you Setko are a rational human being and are kind and compassionate soul  to your fellow survivors , you know the truth. Don't you ever allow yourself to be brought down by his insanity  to his marginal level for he is as insignificant as there are blades of leaves on grass found every where.
          Danny
          :bump:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB. ll on December 29, 2011, 10:56:31 PM
          :bump:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB. ll on December 29, 2011, 10:56:42 PM
          :bump:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: DannyB. ll on December 29, 2011, 10:56:52 PM
          :bump:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on January 12, 2012, 01:55:05 PM
          :beat:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on February 04, 2012, 08:11:54 AM
          :bump:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on March 27, 2012, 05:21:34 PM
          Sharon your a scank and your living conditions are the same you sucked Arts dick and everone elses. You were never even in Elan Bitch :twofinger:  :twofinger:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 16, 2012, 12:24:27 AM
          Sharon is dead. She had so many kids her uterus fell out
           :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2012, 12:36:08 AM
          Hey Fuckshitsky are you still blowing around I thought some  would have shot you or had you arrested by now,Does your mother and 8 ball still like those Dirty Nellie's I use to give them. I thought you were the only one who would suck a dick after it came out of your ass, but Mom & 8 Ball loved it. Almost as much as Sharon and her Husband .Just wanted say Fuck You Fartshitsky you waist of human life.  :cheers:  :beat:  :beat:    :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: You little drama bitch,
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Time2MoveOn on April 22, 2012, 02:00:08 PM
          Quote from: "The Truth About Fartshitsky And his Bitch Who Was Never In Elan"
          Hey Fuckshitsky are you still blowing around I thought some  would have shot you or had you arrested by now,Does your mother and 8 ball still like those Dirty Nellie's I use to give them. I thought you were the only one who would suck a dick after it came out of your ass, but Mom & 8 Ball loved it. Almost as much as Sharon and her Husband .Just wanted say Fuck You Fartshitsky you waist of human life.  :cheers:  :beat:  :beat:    :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: You little drama bitch,
          Grow up Mark Babitz
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Time2MoveOn on April 22, 2012, 02:02:06 PM
          Quote from: "Sharons Man"
          Sharon your a scank and your living conditions are the same you sucked Arts dick and everone elses. You were never even in Elan Bitch :twofinger:  :twofinger:
          I rather be a skank then be a sick fucker like you Mark Babitz. I did not know your my parents and had privy to Elan intake records. Whatever I have several friends from Elan who know your INSANE. Go check back into Kenosha...and I am calling Art going to tell him of your admission to me you are the orginal NAZI poster on here. I hope he fries you in court.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Time2MoveOn on April 22, 2012, 02:10:54 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Oh Hey Marky
          one more thing
          SUICIDE IS THE SOLUTION !
          Oh I am sure he is just about there. Kenosha is the answer MARK..how many times commited last year? You told Rhonda Drucker Artman about how insane Art and I are, well buddy once Art finds Rhonda bet your stories are flown out the window jackass. Art grew up in Skokie too dumbass. For fucks sake Mark just go away. Art is moved on, I moved on. You talk about me giving him blowjobs ,well big deal he was not complaining when it occured , I was not complaining either, so Mark go fuck yourself. All this hostility is stemming from me telling you to fuck off last year. Art was fully right about you from the get go. I definetly trusted the wrong man in this case. Your insane, your dangerous to Art, you need to locked up. Karma is a Bitch Mark. You will not get away with all of this. See, Art deep down I think knows I was massively manipulated by you, so you see I bet he can one day forgive me somehow, but you..your a dick, you went to his work on purpose, his house, you terrorized him so much. I fully see Art was right and I have prayed that God forgives me for turning on him the way I did, but you Mark your fucking sick as hell. Got Rhonda Drucker all messed up in the head. Oh Art you can find Rhonda off Tom's page. They use to date back in the day. Peaches I think they called her in highschool. Tom Russels page. Go fucking get him Art, he is fucking that ladies head up good with his heroism of closing Elan. He tells tales to her whole social clubs how is is the man who close Elan. She wont listen to me because 200 pages of selected posts Mark gave to her, but you ART can get this con stopped. GO GET HIM ART.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Time2MoveOn on April 22, 2012, 02:12:57 PM
          Quote from: "liarsexposed"
          Oh Hey Marky
          one more thing
          SUICIDE IS THE SOLUTION !
          Oh I am sure he is just about there. Kenosha is the answer MARK..how many times commited last year? You told Rhonda Drucker Artman about how insane Art and I are, well buddy once Art finds Rhonda bet your stories are flown out the window jackass. Art grew up in Skokie too dumbass. For fucks sake Mark just go away. Art is moved on, I moved on. You talk about me giving him blowjobs ,well big deal he was not complaining when it occured , I was not complaining either, so Mark go fuck yourself. All this hostility is stemming from me telling you to fuck off last year. Art was fully right about you from the get go. I definetly trusted the wrong man in this case. Your insane, your dangerous to Art, you need to locked up. Karma is a Bitch Mark. You will not get away with all of this. See, Art deep down I think knows I was massively manipulated by you, so you see I bet he can one day forgive me somehow, but you..your a dick, you went to his work on purpose, his house, you terrorized him so much. I fully see Art was right and I have prayed that God forgives me for turning on him the way I did, but you Mark your fucking sick as hell. Got Rhonda Drucker all messed up in the head. Oh Art you can find Rhonda off Tom's page. They use to date back in the day. Peaches I think they called her in highschool. Tom Russels page. Go fucking get him Art, he is fucking that ladies head up good with his heroism of closing Elan. He tells tales to her whole social clubs how is is the man who close Elan. She wont listen to me because 200 pages of selected posts Mark gave to her, but you ART can get this con stopped. GO GET HIM ART.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Time2MoveOn on April 22, 2012, 02:19:38 PM
          And the fine ladies of the FREEPORT MOOSE all believe this CON MAN, his heroism my ass. Elan closed due to financial burdens. Marky saved the day going to elan taking pictures, he did what no man would be able to do. Go fuck yourself MArk with your delusions. You are fully busted Mark. I will do everything in my power to enlighten all you pushed around as a puppet like you did me MARK. HELL YES MARK I AM FUCKING BACK...now deal with me bitch boy...you are disgusting. Leave Danny, Art, Felice, Anne, and Matt alone. We are done with you , we got lives and unlike you we smile daily. When was your last stay in Kenosha Mental Ward?????? I am no longer married jackass, learn more tricks. I do not even live in Illinois dipshit, you can stop sending vile lies to Freeport. get a clue. And ART was right, I owe everyone on here a apology. I do apologize for being sucked in by Mark and his slimey tatics. Mark manipulated me and screwed with my head. I am sorry I was weak, please understand my emotions were so out of control. I now fully see. Art only attacked mebecause he was trying to wake me up. Well its good morning time MARK or shall we refer to you as your favorite troll name..NAZI, and your Jewish, shame on you.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Time2MoveOn on April 22, 2012, 02:21:10 PM
          Art if you need me to sign anything to get this jackass behind bars, Michelle knows how to contact me directly. I will sign whatever you need. I know he is Nazi. I know what he has done to you.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Time2MoveOn on April 22, 2012, 02:28:49 PM
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          For the first time in my life I have got to fully..I mean fully agree with the Fartster. He tried to warn me, yes he did. I refused to listen. But now I fully see and found out the hard way. Now that I have been fully screwed by a very disturbed individual not much more I can do but admit Arty was actually fully and unbelievably right. Now Art go mark your calander because you actually told the truth on one factor. MARK is in fact one sick puppy. He had the utter balls to come to my home, and try to split up my marriage. He turned his selfish nose in the air to down grade me and my family, when we extended him a safe place to be. We fed him, we housed him, and the asshole could only complain because I had a massive amount of little kids running around. He called us dirty when kids simply leave messes. How dare he bestow this type of attitude to my husband which unselfishly extended him a place to lay his head while he was carrying on and on over some dumb ass bullshit daily. He simply lost his fucking mind treating me like this. His biggest friend , his supposes best friend, my asshole. He used me for his little song and dance side show. Now Farty dont get this all twisted I still think your a huge piece of shit, and never will I forgive you one ounce for anything you did to me. But fair is fair, you simply won this round. I am not beneath agreeing your right when it comes to Mark. I was shocked bet your ass I was, but Farty you hit the nail on the head this time.
          Just a reminder of last years posting that sparked off poor BABY MARKY
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 22, 2012, 02:33:33 PM
          Sharon is dead, It was cheaper to kill her than support all those bastard children she burdened the state with every time she met someone stupid enough to fuck her
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 22, 2012, 02:34:59 PM
          I heard she died because she had so many kids her uterus fell out

           :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Time2MoveOn on April 22, 2012, 02:39:46 PM
          Quote from: "Sharon Cumdump McCarthy"
          I heard she died because she had so many kids her uterus fell out

           :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
          LMAO BABBLY TITTY MARKY SPARKY BOY, your truly funny, do you think anyone really cares about you. Have you told you daughter how disgraced you are with her cuz she married a black guy and you have half breed grandkids??? Have you told her your inner shame in that yet. Just wondering. Heard Kim found a new man, so you cannot live off her check no more either. GO try to collect you dummy check from ssi, been fighting for that a long time now buddy.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 22, 2012, 02:44:52 PM
          Quote
          Sharon the Bad Blowjob wrote:

          My husband finally wised up and left me, so I need attention

          Even ex cons have standards crusty cunt

           :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Time2MoveOn on April 22, 2012, 02:53:16 PM
          Quote from: "Sharon McCunty"
          Quote
          Sharon the Bad Blowjob wrote:

          My husband finally wised up and left me, so I need attention

          Even ex cons have standards crusty cunt

           :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:
          Thats so funny because I left him dumb ass. We simply moved on. I am getting remarried so my cunt cannot be that bad. Your just jealous I am 42 and still got a fine ass. Unlike you who cannot get laid. And Be honest dumb ass , you crawled in bed with me at my house and held me begging me to leave my man and you would stay. You wanted so bad for him to go and you to stay. rejection is a bitch. How about poor debi levin you got her head all fucking twisted now too, she is too good for you. POOR Marky, I think you hate Art so much because he got the girl once you so much wanted. That's your problem knowing his penis was once inside me makes you cringe, your jealous. Simple as that. Deny it all you wish but We all know hoe much you love me and always will. To bad I am marrying soon....but then again I would blow 10000000000000000 men before I ever allowed you to touch me. Poor Marky could not get the girl. He hated Tim so much in the end because Tim had me. Tim warned me about you, and your inner desires for me, but no like a dummy I could not see it. Mark get some help. I will never love you or be with you.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 22, 2012, 02:55:44 PM
          Jesus loves you Sharon

          The rest of us think your a fat cunt

           :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Time2MoveOn on April 22, 2012, 02:59:58 PM
          Quote from: "God Almighty"
          Jesus loves you Sharon

          The rest of us think your a fat cunt

           :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
          Why thank you, Jesus loves you toooo , but Jesus thinks you need therapy sweetie.  :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :seg:  :seg:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Time2MoveOn on April 22, 2012, 03:02:19 PM
          Well its been fun but I got a BBq to go to take care and get your refills at Wallymart they keep generating that annoying automatic response claiming you forgot to pick them all up, How many are you on now Marky like 12 different scripts. Its nice and sunny where I am enjoy the fucking cold. Bye bitch boy I guess I will let you BABBLE to yourself now......... :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 22, 2012, 03:02:58 PM
          Sharon, did you abort that bastard child?

          Murderer
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Time2MoveOn on April 22, 2012, 04:00:53 PM
          Quote from: "Crack Head Nigger"
          Sharon, did you abort that bastard child?

          Murderer
          lmao I simply had to recheck in before we left for the day, we have such a delightful evening planned. Actually no I had a miscarriage...but that is alright God handles all in the end Mark. Your still never going to have your precious Sharon in your life again other than making yourself look more depressing and vile as usual. I got a life Marky....bye biotch boy. Hope Art fries your ass.
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 22, 2012, 05:12:39 PM
          Quote from: "Time2MoveOn"
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          For the first time in my life I have got to fully..I mean fully agree with the Fartster. He tried to warn me, yes he did. I refused to listen. But now I fully see and found out the hard way. Now that I have been fully screwed by a very disturbed individual not much more I can do but admit Arty was actually fully and unbelievably right. Now Art go mark your calander because you actually told the truth on one factor. MARK is in fact one sick puppy. He had the utter balls to come to my home, and try to split up my marriage. He turned his selfish nose in the air to down grade me and my family, when we extended him a safe place to be. We fed him, we housed him, and the asshole could only complain because I had a massive amount of little kids running around. He called us dirty when kids simply leave messes. How dare he bestow this type of attitude to my husband which unselfishly extended him a place to lay his head while he was carrying on and on over some dumb ass bullshit daily. He simply lost his fucking mind treating me like this. His biggest friend , his supposes best friend, my asshole. He used me for his little song and dance side show. Now Farty dont get this all twisted I still think your a huge piece of shit, and never will I forgive you one ounce for anything you did to me. But fair is fair, you simply won this round. I am not beneath agreeing your right when it comes to Mark. I was shocked bet your ass I was, but Farty you hit the nail on the head this time.
          Just a reminder of last years posting that sparked off poor BABY MARKY


          You really should take youre advice and realize it is time to move on . You are obviously  living in the past by digging up garbage that has no bearing on anything today. It was just garbage then and now it is just old garbage ,that for some crazy reason you have to recycle and regurgitate like a wounded animal.

          The one that you refer to as Marky has not been on fornits in at least a year. take youre advice and realize it is time for YOU to move on , it looks like youre buddy Marky did. Maybe you should read the topics and all the threads and you too will come to the realization that many people have moved on ,including Mark. sure some have not ,but thats expected , Mark has.

          seriously time to move on ,enjoy what TIME you have left and live it to the fullest, and stop living in the garbage of the past that you have regurgitated. Read and you will realize that many have moved on, cept me ,I have very sick needs as you well  know , and my medication has been working lately it keeps my sick abusive needs in check, that and this is one of the few sites thast I can still post on, I have been banned from so many.

          Maybe you need medicine ,just sayin.

          thanks for reading if ya did
          bye bye  :shamrock:  :shamrock:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 22, 2012, 07:23:49 PM
          No one has moved on. Your all a bunch of losers who can't let go. Your sick

          The answer is simple  :suicide:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on April 22, 2012, 09:15:25 PM
          : ????;  ??/??? ????
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Time2MoveOn on April 30, 2012, 07:33:30 PM
          Quote from: "livining in the past"
          Quote from: "Time2MoveOn"
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          For the first time in my life I have got to fully..I mean fully agree with the Fartster. He tried to warn me, yes he did. I refused to listen. But now I fully see and found out the hard way. Now that I have been fully screwed by a very disturbed individual not much more I can do but admit Arty was actually fully and unbelievably right. Now Art go mark your calander because you actually told the truth on one factor. MARK is in fact one sick puppy. He had the utter balls to come to my home, and try to split up my marriage. He turned his selfish nose in the air to down grade me and my family, when we extended him a safe place to be. We fed him, we housed him, and the asshole could only complain because I had a massive amount of little kids running around. He called us dirty when kids simply leave messes. How dare he bestow this type of attitude to my husband which unselfishly extended him a place to lay his head while he was carrying on and on over some dumb ass bullshit daily. He simply lost his fucking mind treating me like this. His biggest friend , his supposes best friend, my asshole. He used me for his little song and dance side show. Now Farty dont get this all twisted I still think your a huge piece of shit, and never will I forgive you one ounce for anything you did to me. But fair is fair, you simply won this round. I am not beneath agreeing your right when it comes to Mark. I was shocked bet your ass I was, but Farty you hit the nail on the head this time.
          Just a reminder of last years posting that sparked off poor BABY MARKY


          You really should take youre advice and realize it is time to move on . You are obviously  living in the past by digging up garbage that has no bearing on anything today. It was just garbage then and now it is just old garbage ,that for some crazy reason you have to recycle and regurgitate like a wounded animal.

          The one that you refer to as Marky has not been on fornits in at least a year. take youre advice and realize it is time for YOU to move on , it looks like youre buddy Marky did. Maybe you should read the topics and all the threads and you too will come to the realization that many people have moved on ,including Mark. sure some have not ,but thats expected , Mark has.

          seriously time to move on ,enjoy what TIME you have left and live it to the fullest, and stop living in the garbage of the past that you have regurgitated. Read and you will realize that many have moved on, cept me ,I have very sick needs as you well  know , and my medication has been working lately it keeps my sick abusive needs in check, that and this is one of the few sites thast I can still post on, I have been banned from so many.

          Maybe you need medicine ,just sayin.

          thanks for reading if ya did
          bye bye  :shamrock:  :shamrock:
          LMAO MARK STFU your so busted out by RHONDA it is not even funny. You never moved on your sick MARK....GOOD BYE .
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Time2MoveOn on April 30, 2012, 07:34:00 PM
          Quote from: "livining in the past"
          Quote from: "Time2MoveOn"
          Quote from: "SharonMcCarthy"
          For the first time in my life I have got to fully..I mean fully agree with the Fartster. He tried to warn me, yes he did. I refused to listen. But now I fully see and found out the hard way. Now that I have been fully screwed by a very disturbed individual not much more I can do but admit Arty was actually fully and unbelievably right. Now Art go mark your calander because you actually told the truth on one factor. MARK is in fact one sick puppy. He had the utter balls to come to my home, and try to split up my marriage. He turned his selfish nose in the air to down grade me and my family, when we extended him a safe place to be. We fed him, we housed him, and the asshole could only complain because I had a massive amount of little kids running around. He called us dirty when kids simply leave messes. How dare he bestow this type of attitude to my husband which unselfishly extended him a place to lay his head while he was carrying on and on over some dumb ass bullshit daily. He simply lost his fucking mind treating me like this. His biggest friend , his supposes best friend, my asshole. He used me for his little song and dance side show. Now Farty dont get this all twisted I still think your a huge piece of shit, and never will I forgive you one ounce for anything you did to me. But fair is fair, you simply won this round. I am not beneath agreeing your right when it comes to Mark. I was shocked bet your ass I was, but Farty you hit the nail on the head this time.
          Just a reminder of last years posting that sparked off poor BABY MARKY


          You really should take youre advice and realize it is time to move on . You are obviously  living in the past by digging up garbage that has no bearing on anything today. It was just garbage then and now it is just old garbage ,that for some crazy reason you have to recycle and regurgitate like a wounded animal.

          The one that you refer to as Marky has not been on fornits in at least a year. take youre advice and realize it is time for YOU to move on , it looks like youre buddy Marky did. Maybe you should read the topics and all the threads and you too will come to the realization that many people have moved on ,including Mark. sure some have not ,but thats expected , Mark has.

          seriously time to move on ,enjoy what TIME you have left and live it to the fullest, and stop living in the garbage of the past that you have regurgitated. Read and you will realize that many have moved on, cept me ,I have very sick needs as you well  know , and my medication has been working lately it keeps my sick abusive needs in check, that and this is one of the few sites thast I can still post on, I have been banned from so many.

          Maybe you need medicine ,just sayin.

          thanks for reading if ya did
          bye bye  :shamrock:  :shamrock:
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Time2MoveOn on April 30, 2012, 07:36:05 PM
          lmao whatever if your so moving on leave my damn out of your mouth you weirdo
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Time2MoveOn on April 30, 2012, 07:36:05 PM
          lmao whatever if your so moving on leave my damn out of your mouth you weirdo
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: liarsexposed on May 03, 2012, 07:20:40 AM
          Oy
          Sharon
          You deserve everything you have coming. I have no sympathy for you. Your best bet would be to leave this shithole (fornits) never to return. I am all for freedom of speech,but this isnt it. You've done as much good as you can,to help close Elan. As has anyone that made an effort to close that hell-hole.
          Thing is.. I dont think about Elan any more. I rarely even look at fornits,because there is no point or purpose. Marky isnt going to get any better. In fact,he will continue to get worse. Years ago,he thought he was playing a game. True that I never knew he was Nazi untill a couple years ago,but really,at this point who cares..
          Marky is playing the same game on another website with me. At the end of the day,Marky's life isnt worth a bucket of piss. Unfortunately,I still have some compassion for those suffering. But at some point,Marky will be back in Prison where he belongs. He is a considerable danger to himself and others.
          I only hope that one day,he decides to play this out on my porch,so I can legally shoot him. Would be like a public service.
          But again,at the end of the day,he is but a coward who suffers from extreme mental illness.
          All old news,all dumb,all the time. I dont have any time for this.
          I wish you well Sharon,and Marky.. well I wish you would just kill yourself, and save some cop from the trouble of an admin leave of absense,to determine whether the shooting was justified or not
          Title: Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
          Post by: Anonymous on August 11, 2012, 05:28:03 AM
          Sharon murdered her unborn child because she couldn't get money for it   :roflmao: