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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Who Am I Discovery/Whitmore => Topic started by: schacherer on January 26, 2005, 09:13:00 PM
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Hi my name is Leah, and I was at the Whitmore Academy. I arrived there on April 29, 2003 and stayed there until July 15, 2004. When i got out I wanted to go to college so I emrolled at Utah Valley State College. I went there for one semester and now I go to a Hairstyling College. I live in Utah stilll and I am doing very well and am very happy. I no longer do drugs or drink and my family and I have a great relationship. The Whitemore Academy seems like a gret place to send your child, right? Well it has it's good as well as it's bad. You may think that just because I was there and may not have liked it that I am just trying to talk bad about it, well, that's not what I'm trying to do at all.
When I first got there they were on a trip in LaJolla, California and when I got off of the plane Cheryl, along with a few of the other kids came to pick me up in a suburban that my mother had to rent for them. When we arrived at the place they were staying at, the first thing I thought when I saw the kids was, "when was the last time any of them took a shower or changed their clothes?" At the Whitmore Academy the schedule is a very good schedule except the fact that while I was there we had to get up at 5:00 in the morning and if we wanted to shower we had to do it on our own time, either before that or not at all. After a while you get used to getting up early so it doesn't seem so bad but when we have "group" until 2:00 and 3:00 the next morning it's extremely hard to get up and stay focused.
I was recently reading about brainwashing and one of the things it talked about was all the many ways to do it, one of them being depriving someone of sleep. It talked about how police officers sometimes do it to the people they arrest. This was very interesting to me, because most of the kids at the Whitmore talk badly about the program and how they wish that they could go home, also about how they know someone there who is doing something that they aren't supposed to. Well when we all come together in group you know when your sitting in there that the kids don't think that you should be in trouble, yet once Cherly begins talking (after a few of hours) the kids all change their minds to what she is saying.
One time we were in group and Cheryl and all of the kids who don't believe in God to raise their hands, well I raised mine because I don't believe in him, I just wasn't raised like that. Anyway, after group I had asked her if I could call my boyfriend (who was 22 and not in the program) and see if he could come over, she told me that I could call him when I knew who I truly was. Then she hounded me about believing in God, she told me that I had said to her before that I did believe in him. Later that day I talked with my best friend Hannah about it she said that she knew that I would never say anything about that to her. I wanted to tell my mother about this but i couldn't. The phone conversations I had with my mom were great, except for the fact that I had to be fake, which is something Cheryl scolds you for in the program. Another thing about religion, I had never once been to church, as I said earlier my family isn't religous. And every Sunday I was forced to go to the Mormon Church. I hated going there because I felt like it was a cult nad like someone was trying to make me become Mormon. It didn't feel right at all. Cheryl always tells the parents that if the kids don't want to go to church they don't have to but that's not true at all, if you choose not to go you don't get the same freedoms or things as the other kids. It's like you get in trouble if you don't go. Well there is a lot more I have to say but I've been at school all day and I am really tired. If anyone has any questions or anything please e-mail me @ [email protected].
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Welcome Leah. Sounds like you have a busy life and are working hard to make the best of it. Good for you.
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Hi Leah! Check your Yahoo mail! Great to hear you are doing well. I looked for you at parent's weekend because we were told you were working weekends at the Whitmore. Did you ever "work there after "Graduation?" I know during my last visit that was your plan. Just curious... take care. I look forward to hearing from you.
Alumni Mom
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leah...
im sorry that all the life changing lessons of emotional honesty are so dormant in you that you have to twist the truth like you always have...
a perfect example:
you say cheryl gave you pills, you went home, came back to utah and suddenly you came back to the whitmore to take the pills to give to your mom? they werent yours either! it just doesnt make sense. you lie about this you lie about other things fact of life sweetheart.
gypsy
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gypsy, you manipulate. you want control
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hey susan its hard to hide who you are...i guess im just wondering too much why youre getting caught up in leah's circle...has she told you about how she hurt your son? she jumped him behind the scenes and when found out cheryl put an end to it in defense of your son! the only reason cheryls relationship went bad with your son..started with the endless group meetings and time put into helping him graduate, but then he manipulated one last time- she's not mad at him, shes loves him so much, all the time she talks about how cool he was and helpful too...but i guess leah is more important.
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that response falls under what pretenses?
-gypsy
ps- controlling people only want for themselves, i just want to help my friends get their reputation back.
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Hi susan, This is inga from the whitmore and i just wanted to inform you that leah is such a liar. She is the only one that hurt people. When i was left behind at the stadium of fire, i had to call my dad to have him call mark to bring the bus back to pick me up. that was my fault i was left, but anyways, when i got on the bus everyone was sleeping except for cheryl and leah and mark, leah was near the back of the bus and went back thier to sit down, she started yelling at me telling me i was a b and other really crude things and cheryl told her to stop, then she started hitting me and everyone was asleep and i didnt want to cause a huge fight so i didnt do anything but try and hold her back. she is hateful and full of resentment. I dont really hate a lot of people but i hate her, she is so wrong and so mean. How can she go around tring to reck what the rest of us have going good for us. i love what mark and cheryl are doing here, and maybe sometimes things got rough for her, i dont know, but if she cant handle a little drama, then she's gonna die out there in the real world, shes a baby , thats all there is too it, and the only reason shes saying the things shes saying is because if she cant be happy, she wants us to suffer with her. plain and simple.
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Any one who buys into leah's bull crap sob story is a sap, your so ignorant and nieve to think that she is really being truthful in her statements about mark and cheryl and the kids, I know it's hard to know who to believe, but i will say as has been said a million times before, we all had a chance to leave the whitmore scotch free, and only 2 kids did, now shouldn't that say something? So you tell me if you look stupid believing such a ignorant little brat. I will tell you something that will never change inside of me, I live for this program/boarding school, mark and cheryl and the kids, this is my family and my life, and no cheryl didn't brainwash me to say that ERICA! Those words come from my mouth and my heart and that is how i feel inside, When i came here, my life was given back to me. and thats an understatement, i mean sure it takes some adjusting but you learn to love it, this is my home and i will defend it untill the death of me. This place is a miricle ,Dont give in to people that waste thier time trying to convince you of anything less. I built the best relationships here and for the first time in my life i can talk to my mom and not get into an arguement with her, this place is all i have right now and i need it, so people like leah and erica are on my bad bad side right now and they always will be, I'm very protective of what i have right now and under no circumstances will i give it up, so try whatever you want because this family is standing thier ground and we are strong together,
Inga
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LEAH I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU THINK YOU ARE TRYING TO DO, I DONT ATTEND THE WHITMORE ANYMORE BUT I AM FAR FROM UTAH, BUT I SWEAR IF I EVER COME BACK TO UTAH, YOU BETTER RUN CUZ ILL BE LOOKING FOR YOU, YOUR A SICK CROOKED THING, YOUR NOT EVEN HUMAN, YOU HAVE NO HEART AND NO SOUL AND YOUR GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL, YOUR MOM THINKS YOUR SO PERFECT, WHY DONT YOU TELL MOMMY ABOUT ALL THE DRUGS YOU DO AND ALL THE GUYS YOU HAVE SEX WITH, HEY ITS ONLY FAIR, YOU WANNA RUIN THIER LIVES IMA RUIN YOURS.
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eesh
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Now Inga, I just bet you I can tell you exactly who told you that Leah was a great big ole liar. Bet it was good ole Cheryl, right? How come everybody that Cheryl knows is a big ole liar? Could be it takes one to know one?
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Gypsy, it really doesn't matter what the kids did or did not do. We are talking about the adults who were supposed to be supervising and why any of these things were allowed to happen.
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hey leah, i was told you were on the enternet and even posted your name. you were never ashamed of being a backstabbing whore. i thought you were bragging to everyone how you had a life. some life if you have to sit and talk crap with people who cant see you face to face. what are you afraid of. why do you think nobody who lived with you all that time can stand you? i feel sorry for anyone who has to live with you. you made my life hell when i had to. about the group until 3:00... why dont you tell the whole story. was that when you got caught trying to get cory to take his pants off in the bathrooom? you guttless wonder you had 5 boys going there at once. not to mention any neighbor kids you could seduce. and about the drugs. you are an addict. you stole anythng you could get your hands on. there is so much pain inside of you. its not going to get better by trying to make someone else miserable. you were supposed to be Trinitys bridesmaid, she cared so much about you. you came to her wedding on extacy. we found out from trever you flashed him when you and your girlfriends were driving to lasvegas, after you left the program. what kind of person would go after there "best friends" husband. when all you wanted was to sleep with him. he dumped you. you tell everyone such a different story just like on this page. no wonder everyone hates you. why dont you tell justins mom thats why you werent allowed back at the whitmore. i cant believe she doesnt have any thing better to do than read your pure bullcrap. you hated justin so much and were so rude to him. Cheryl loved him and wanted him to graduate. thats all that went bad with them. cheryl loved you more than any one. it made me sick to watch her forgive yu over and over. she trusted you so much. you have crapped all over her and she still loves you. you make me sick. you of all people know what they are all about. why would yu get pleasure from this. she just paid for your car to get fixed, the one that rob kicked, because you were trying to screw trevor and acting like you were good friends with the whitmore at the same time. when i read about how you stole from cheryl it makes me sick. i remember having group onyou and you said you would never steal again. this was after the cruise that cheryl paid for yu to go on. it was supposed to be a honeymoom for mark and cheryl but she had to take all of us. she always cared more about us thatn herself. when we stole the pot in cozumel. i learned my lesson. we made their life hell. nobody has ever cared about me like they did, i am trying to show them by living a good life now that it wasnt a waist of time. what are you doing? still taking and taking. you have screwed them over so bad with all the crap while yu lived with them. now this. what is with your grandmother. i though she was a nice little lady. did she smoke to much pot with your grandpa. remember how mad you were about him smoking pot at his age. the whitmore family loved you now your saying cherl takes your pills. i happen to know that she cant take pain pills. they make her sick. you know that to so why are yu lying. and about god. all the sudden you dont believe in god. alot of us didnt. but we didnt say we did either. and no we werent forced to go to church. remember bernardao never stepped foot in a morman church.you felt forced because you have never been true to yourself. yu are such a two faced liar. you are dangerous to society. i heard you are still in utah. why if yu hate mormans so much. are you trying to corrupt as many as you can befor you get kicked out of the state. i cant even tell you how sick you make me. why dont you look at all they and we have done for yu. and get a life. i heard your roomate called the cops on you. she gave up her contract, because she felt like she was living with the devil. if you dont stop this bullcrap i will find a way to personally put a rag in your mouth. i have to leave and throw up now you make me so sick. is it true you and your grandma have orgies together? nevermind dont reply. i hope i never hear from you again.
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Your posting just confirms what is not happening at the Whitmore.
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Like I've said before, be careful about making threats in writing.
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On 2005-02-04 06:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
"hey leah, i was told you were on the enternet and even posted your name. you were never ashamed of being a backstabbing whore. i thought you were bragging to everyone how you had a life. some life if you have to sit and talk crap with people who cant see you face to face. what are you afraid of. why do you think nobody who lived with you all that time can stand you? i feel sorry for anyone who has to live with you. you made my life hell when i had to. about the group until 3:00... why dont you tell the whole story. was that when you got caught trying to get cory to take his pants off in the bathrooom? you guttless wonder you had 5 boys going there at once. not to mention any neighbor kids you could seduce. and about the drugs. you are an addict. you stole anythng you could get your hands on. there is so much pain inside of you. its not going to get better by trying to make someone else miserable. you were supposed to be Trinitys bridesmaid, she cared so much about you. you came to her wedding on extacy. we found out from trever you flashed him when you and your girlfriends were driving to lasvegas, after you left the program. what kind of person would go after there "best friends" husband. when all you wanted was to sleep with him. he dumped you. you tell everyone such a different story just like on this page. no wonder everyone hates you. why dont you tell justins mom thats why you werent allowed back at the whitmore. i cant believe she doesnt have any thing better to do than read your pure bullcrap. you hated justin so much and were so rude to him. Cheryl loved him and wanted him to graduate. thats all that went bad with them. cheryl loved you more than any one. it made me sick to watch her forgive yu over and over. she trusted you so much. you have crapped all over her and she still loves you. you make me sick. you of all people know what they are all about. why would yu get pleasure from this. she just paid for your car to get fixed, the one that rob kicked, because you were trying to screw trevor and acting like you were good friends with the whitmore at the same time. when i read about how you stole from cheryl it makes me sick. i remember having group onyou and you said you would never steal again. this was after the cruise that cheryl paid for yu to go on. it was supposed to be a honeymoom for mark and cheryl but she had to take all of us. she always cared more about us thatn herself. when we stole the pot in cozumel. i learned my lesson. we made their life hell. nobody has ever cared about me like they did, i am trying to show them by living a good life now that it wasnt a waist of time. what are you doing? still taking and taking. you have screwed them over so bad with all the crap while yu lived with them. now this. what is with your grandmother. i though she was a nice little lady. did she smoke to much pot with your grandpa. remember how mad you were about him smoking pot at his age. the whitmore family loved you now your saying cherl takes your pills. i happen to know that she cant take pain pills. they make her sick. you know that to so why are yu lying. and about god. all the sudden you dont believe in god. alot of us didnt. but we didnt say we did either. and no we werent forced to go to church. remember bernardao never stepped foot in a morman church.you felt forced because you have never been true to yourself. yu are such a two faced liar. you are dangerous to society. i heard you are still in utah. why if yu hate mormans so much. are you trying to corrupt as many as you can befor you get kicked out of the state. i cant even tell you how sick you make me. why dont you look at all they and we have done for yu. and get a life. i heard your roomate called the cops on you. she gave up her contract, because she felt like she was living with the devil. if you dont stop this bullcrap i will find a way to personally put a rag in your mouth. i have to leave and throw up now you make me so sick. is it true you and your grandma have orgies together? nevermind dont reply. i hope i never hear from you again. "
I really hope that any parents out there considering sending their kids to this place, or worse yet any that HAVE a kid there now, read this post. THIS is what you can expect coming out of Whitmore. Is this what you really want? Aside from the obvious damage that has been done to this kid why in the HELL would Cheryl allow the kids to defend her on here? I understand that they feel they want to...they're completely under her spell, but it's HER JOB to look out for these kids. It obviously ain't happenin'.A free man must be able to endure it when his fellow men act and live otherwise than he considers proper. He must free himself from the habit, just as soon as something does not please him, of calling for the police.
Ludwig Von Mises
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It also confirms for me that the basic "therapeutic" method sounds nearly identical to that used at The Seed and Straight.
We know now that all those ficticious teachers and therapists on the website are just stand ins. And we know from parts of the website that used to be open to the public and from past discussion here that the kids make up the heirarchy. And we know that kids who are new are not permitted communication w/ the outside world.
So, these kids we're hearing from are the higher level kids who inflict "therapy" on the rest. And, believe it or not, this vulgar and threatening writing we've been reading sounds just about exactly like a come down rap at Straight. Do any of you (those not posting from Whitmore) find it a little hard to take? Do you wince at all when you read this? Well just imagine being cloistered in the mansion w/ a whole gang of people yelling this same vile stuff at you till the wee hours.
Never mind whether any kid deserves that sort of treatment or not. I know there are plenty of people out there who believe that rebellious kids deserve what they get. Think about what kind of therapy this makes. Is this sort of treatment going to make anyone more thoughtful, responsible... a better person in some way.
Well, if you want your kid to turn into a lowly member of a pack of savage attack dogs, then I suppose the Whitmore is just the place for you! But I feel for the kid.Instead of giving money to fund colleges to promote learning, why don't they pass a Constitutional Amendment prohibiting anybody from learning anything? If it works as good as the Prohibition one did, why, in five years we would have the smartest race of people on earth.
--Will Rogers
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
Seed sibling `71 - `80
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
10/80 - 10/82
Anonymity Anonymous
Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
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On 2005-02-03 15:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
"LEAH I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU THINK YOU ARE TRYING TO DO, I DONT ATTEND THE WHITMORE ANYMORE BUT I AM FAR FROM UTAH, BUT I SWEAR IF I EVER COME BACK TO UTAH, YOU BETTER RUN CUZ ILL BE LOOKING FOR YOU, YOUR A SICK CROOKED THING, YOUR NOT EVEN HUMAN, YOU HAVE NO HEART AND NO SOUL AND YOUR GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL, YOUR MOM THINKS YOUR SO PERFECT, WHY DONT YOU TELL MOMMY ABOUT ALL THE DRUGS YOU DO AND ALL THE GUYS YOU HAVE SEX WITH, HEY ITS ONLY FAIR, YOU WANNA RUIN THIER LIVES IMA RUIN YOURS.
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LUY YA!
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Damn these programs are similar...
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i must say that Cheryl is a "pussy" in her words at least. She has kids come online and talk dirty and threaten others like this just to defend herself.
Cheryl you should come out of ur whole and step up for ur self for some time. :lol:
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I've decided not to post anything else on this forum, Im done with it. I have a great life drug free a loving and caring boyfriend. All of these kids threatening me doesn't scare me I just don't care to hear from them anymore. If anyone wants to talk to me in an adult, grown up, mature manner you can e-mail me or send a private message. So goodbye to everyone. I hope you all get the answers you are looking for and also I believe Cheryl and Mark will get their Karma sooner or later, we all just have to live our own lives and forget about the trash. Just take it out and leave it behind.
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Oh, so you'd like to "put a rag in Leah's mouth" would you? Guess that is more of good ole Chery's advice huh? That's what she has those kids do when she says "get him out of here." Put "a rag in his mouth!" Now, we grown-ups out here refer to that as a GAG...and we know exactly why Cheryl requires the kid being beaten up outside be also gagged: that way the neighbors can't hear the poor kid yelling and screaming as the loving family members gang up and beat the heck out of him or her. The operative word is "GANG." And Cheryl Sudweeks is a model Gang Leader..she issues orders, and the members do all the dirty work for her. Isn't Cheryl brave?
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I am getting really confused about this cruise thing. I understand that a bunch of these kids got beat up on the cruise. Some stole and/or used drugs. Some had sex with either other Whitmore kids or someone. There were some Group Sessions that got out of hand. And now in this posting, ALL OF A SUDDEN the agenda for this cruise was a honeymoon for Mark and Cheryl Sudweeks????? What's that all about? Don't Mark and Cheryl have a bunch of grown kids, and some grandkids around? Who the hell do all these kids they claim to have really belong to? Is it like the "adopted Darlene" story? Who are these people running this place?
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On 2005-02-04 21:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Who are these people running this place?"
Thery sound like a couple of freaks to me.
:roll:
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sounds like people that are on power trips, with a whole lot of money
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I want 2 say hew ever believ's leah and her lil. story u are as mest up as her and THATS BAD. i went to the whitmore for a year and loved it i love every one and every thing!! They hepled me threw every problem i have every had,They were there for me,They are my life my family and my friends.Leah u R full of S*#T Im at home and not in utah neither but i agree If i come up i will look for u !! and if i get ahold of u MISS PERFECT u dont what to know what ell happen!!!! What every your trying to do it ait going to work i cant stand you and any thing u are doing.They are my family and u never whant to mess with a mans family! SO LEAH WACH THE blank OUT CUZ IM COMIN. Its your worst night mear(GUESS HEW) b.L.s
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Ah...more of that wonderful education shining through there, huh Bub?? :lol: :lol:
As your attorney, it is my duty to inform you that it is not important that you understand what I'm doing or why you're paying me so much money. What's important is that you continue to do so.
--Hunter S. Thompson's Samoan Attorney
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On 2005-02-10 17:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I want 2 say hew ever believ's leah and her lil. story u are as mest up as her and THATS BAD. i went to the whitmore for a year and loved it i love every one and every thing!! They hepled me threw every problem i have every had,They were there for me,They are my life my family and my friends.Leah u R full of S*#T Im at home and not in utah neither but i agree If i come up i will look for u !! and if i get ahold of u MISS PERFECT u dont what to know what ell happen!!!! What every your trying to do it ait going to work i cant stand you and any thing u are doing.They are my family and u never whant to mess with a mans family! SO LEAH WACH THE blank OUT CUZ IM COMIN. Its your worst night mear(GUESS HEW) b.L.s"
Does anyone else out there find this posting disturbing?? I can only see this as more evidence you did not learn how to express yourself appropriately. You can't spell and your grammar is incorrect-guess they didn't help you with that either. After reading Leah's posting I find her not only believable, but a mature young woman who can present herself in an educated, respectful manner. My vote goes to Leah! I feel nothing but fear knowing you are back on the streets. Again I say... I agree, they need our prayers!
Praying Fool
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On 2005-02-10 18:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
Does anyone else out there find this posting disturbing?? I can only see this as more evidence you did not learn how to express yourself appropriately. You can't spell and your grammar is incorrect-guess they didn't help you with that either. After reading Leah's posting I find her not only believable, but a mature young woman who can present herself in an educated, respectful manner. My vote goes to Leah! I feel nothing but fear knowing you are back on the streets. Again I say... I agree, they need our prayers!
Praying Fool"
Glad you're here Fool (meant affectionately)!! I find it extremely disturbing. The total and complete immersion in this shit is unbelievable. The "Family"....Jeeeez, it's starting to sound a bit Manson-esque.
Arms in the hands of citizens [may] be used at individual discretion...in private self-defense...
-- John Adams, (1788)
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To reply about the cruise thing... yes a bunch of the kids did get beat up on the cruise because almost every single kid either smoked pot, got drunk, smoked cigarettes or kissed someone. A few of the kids even smuggled pot onto the boat. Cheryl also didnt have enough tickets for all of the kids so she smuggled them on too. Pretty smart huh? yeah right. There was never anyone in trouble for sex though. From what I knew the reason was for us going on the cruise cheryl just really wanted to go on one. There was never any talk of their honeymoon. Yes, they do have kids of their own, 3 daughters, 1 adopted daughter and a son. And to reply back to who ever wrote that cheryl and mark used their money to take us on the cruise, no they didnt, it was our parents money that paid for us to go on the cruise. Just think about this every parent pays $40,000 and i think its is even more now, for their kid to be in the program. Multiply that by 40 kids and well i'll just let you do the math. Anyway, I believe that they are scam artists, they scam everything everywhere.
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On 2005-02-10 17:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
SO LEAH WACH THE blank OUT CUZ IM COMIN. Its your worst night mear(GUESS HEW) b.L.s"
Oh come on! This has got to be a put on, right? I don't believe in Jesus.
--John Lennon, British songwriter and member of "The Beatles"
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Are these threats "put on" and just people running their mouths? I wouldn't count on it. Parents and kids who are out of Whitmore and not in the FAMILY anymore, are not being mind-controlled any longer. They are talking to authorites, and these threats should be taken very seriously.
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I know. It could be for real. But that particular post was just SO badly written, it seems to me like just someone making fun of Whitmore. It does happen around here, ya know.
I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I'm a human being first and foremost, and as such I am for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole
--Malcolm X
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just to let you guys know GYPSY IS NOT Susan. gypsy is tory degarmo and tori if you are reading this i hope you come to see the real idea of the whole whitmore.
i pity the fact that you are letting them brain wash you or have already brainwashed you to the point where you don't know who you really are. actually im wrong there i guess, you know who you are , i guess you just disagree with me and thats ok too... it's a shame cause you have chosen to leave me as a friend. i actually love you , like a sister and i have dreams about you all the time about happy memories of you and i having our little mid night 'raves" in the castle room n' i miss those times... we share so much in common, INCLUDING our dream to help people...... hints> peace corps
i spoke the truth and you should too. come forth and share what you really believe is right. do you really believe that cheryl thinks that you guys are really her "family' cause if she did or still does than why does she hurt the kids the way she has...maybe not physically , but emotionally, mentally, and spiritually???
that woman is fricken crazy and needs some help or sleep if n e thing, cause if she knew what family really is than she would've of done what was best for you guys. Brainwashing or any sort is unhealthy and against Human civil rights if you didn't know. and add a whole nuther crap load of b s that she does and believes is sooooo right!
if ne thing i hope you go home or just get on with ur life and away from that crap you don't need.
i am not saying ne of this to offend you, just too commnicate with you.
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On 2005-02-10 19:10:00, Anonymous wrote:
yes a bunch of the kids did get beat up on the cruise because almost every single kid either smoked pot, got drunk, smoked cigarettes or kissed someone. A few of the kids even smuggled pot onto the boat.
Straight question. Do you think these kids deserved to get beat up for whatever they did? I can very well do without God both in my life and in my painting, but I cannot, suffering as I am, do without something which is greater than I am, which is my life, the power to create.
--Vincent Van Gogh, Dutch painter
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No one deserves to get beat up for any reason. Violence is never the answer, in any way, shape or form.
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That's the whole point-kids don't deserve to be beat up at all. No parents sent their kids to Whitmore to be beat up period.
Lots of people go on cruises, and most don't get involved in drug use, and I've never witnessed anyone getting beat up on a cruise...just lots of good clean fun...lots of food, dancing, pool parties, and if you are of legal age drinking.
AGAIN---who was supervising these kids???
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Seems lots of "beating up" went on, not only on the cruise, but at the Whitmore. What motivates a person to screw around with kids' minds in such an evil way? It takes a pretty sick person to do things to kids, especially, at-risk kids.
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Ginger Warbis, who are you?....and why are you so angry at the Sudweeks?
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GMom, who are you too? How do you know these things are going on? Have you been there? Have you seen the kids? Oh, they all have black and blue marks all over their bodies. They are beating them every day and they even have a torture room. NOT!! What is wrong with you people? The cruise was a gift and the kids had fun. If they were drinking, I believe the cruise ship has age limits, don't they? And, do you supervise your teenager 100% of the time?? It's called trust and respect! There are alot of programs out there and none of them are perfect and even the state programs have access to drugs and pot. For anyone to blame these people for all these things, is wrong. One thing happens and everyone wants to point a finger at someone. Has anyone ever listened to Mark and Cheryl??....or do you just follow the accusations and join in? Has anyone ever spoken to the successful kids that were there. There are different programs for different kids. Not everyone will like it there and not all are successful or may need more help and a different type of school. But, these people are doing something they believe in and most of the kids are going home with a better outlook on life. I feel sorry for all of you!!
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On 2005-02-15 12:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ginger Warbis, who are you?....and why are you so angry at the Sudweeks? "
See http://fornits.com/about_us.htm (http://fornits.com/about_us.htm) and http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ginger+warbis (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ginger+warbis)
What makes you think I'm angry w/ the Sudweeks?Religion is just mind control.
--George Carlin, comedian
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On 2005-02-15 12:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
Has anyone ever spoken to the successful kids that were there.
Plenty! Just take a look around this forum. A whole bunch of those "successful" kids that were and are there have been cussing, slandering and making threats against their former unconditionally loved fellow students.
And who are you, since you bring it up? What's your interest? How do you know what does or doesn't happen at the Whitmore?
Religions are all alike; founded upon fables and mythologies.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat
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Seed sibling `71 - `80
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
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Anonymity Anonymous
Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
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Antigen, in response to your question, I've been to Whitmore showing up unexpectedly. It was a normal home like a normal family. I'm a parent with concerns after finding this website. I spent many hours with the kids and Cheryl and Mark and others. I like what they're doing. My child loves it and it feels like home. Have YOU been there yet? I just don't understand why you are out to get them and with no real understanding without really knowing them.
Yes, the kids go home and return to another environment. Let me ask you a question, though. If someone was saying bad things about you over the internet for all the world to see and your family or close friends read it, what do you think they would do? Would they just read it and do nothing? Would they say something nice about the person writing those nasty things? The only thing these kids know how to do is to defend the Whitmore. Those kids writing those things loved it there. Yes, they are wrong for cussing, etc., but how perfect are you? If someone says or does anything to my family or close friends, I'm right up front defending. Maybe even doing something stupid. These kids know that those kids posting these bad things about the Whitmore are wrong. Remember, these are still children still growing and still learning from their mistakes, but the Whitmore gives them positive tools to move on and hopefully live their life with a positive attitude. Let's try and help these kids. There's alot more negative stuff out in the real world than there is at Whitmore.
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It's obvious you're angry at the Sudweeks by the things you are saying on this website. If you're not angry, then why are you writing these things?
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I don't know what your "normal home and normal family" is like----but most normal families do not gang up on and beat each other.
Most normal families don't live in filth.
Most normal families don't sexual abuse their children.
Most normal families value education.
Most normal families feed their children an adequate and safe diet.
Most normal families do not call thier children racial slurs.
I could go on and on.
The Sudweeks do not model anything near "normal."
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I would just like to respond to what you have written about Whitmore. My granddaughter spent 15 months there, and I visited several times. It was not until the last couple of visits did I observe and hear things that just didn't set well with me. I understand that the kids that are there have a varity of issues. Usually, sending a child there is a last resort decision that is made with great difficulty and a lot of hope. I don't believe that several kids that have left the Whitmore and have had no contact with one another would somehow coincidently be telling the same stories about what goes on there. Why are the kids that have left unbelievable -- if the "program" works, then why would they not be telling the truth. Most of them have completed the program. The kids still there or just new there, it would seem, still have not worked through the issues that got them there to begin with -- or so a certain amout of logic should tell us. So why are they belivable? All of the name-calling, foul language and threats are evidence of a lot of anger -- not one big happy family with angels sent from heaven as parents.
Do you help kids by belittling them? Do you help kids by calling them names? Filthy ones at that?
Do you keep growing teenages up until all hours of the night for "group counseling," and expect them to get up the next morning at 5:00 a.m.? This is just the tip of the iceberg of what goes on. Just remember, everything that comes in or goes out of Whitmore, either by mail, e-mail or phone is monitored. The things that the kids from the Whitmore have posted have been approved by Cheryl. One last question: Would you approve of your child using that kind of language, making those types of theats, speaking disrespectfully to adults??????? I certainly would question the authority who approved it -- and question the professionalism of that authority. Is that what you paid for?
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The Whitmore deprives these kids of three healthy meals a day and eight hours of sleep per night. I also have shown up there unexpected and assumed, as you did, that all the kids were happy.
Do some research about how easy it is to manipulate anyone, not just kids, with lack of adequate nutrition and sleep. Whole countries have been taken over because of hunger alone. Imagine young vulnerable kids. Not too difficult to do, if you know how. Throw a little fear in there, along with the idea that they are not wanted at home. Bingo! Dependency and control.
No, I don't think the kids that have left are lying. It's taken them a while of being away from there to begin to process what they had been through.
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On 2005-02-15 16:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It's obvious you're angry at the Sudweeks by the things you are saying on this website. If you're not angry, then why are you writing these things?"
What things are those? I'm reading a lot of really interesting things about Whitmore. But I'm not saying a whole lot. What, do you think I'm posting anon or something? I'm not.Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat
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The only statements I've made about the Whitmore are those pertaining to the posts that I have seen in this forum. And much of that content is quite disturbing. And they really are coming from a variety of different people. Why would they lie? What's the incentive?
What about the parents? You do understand that some of the people posting here are not children, but parents and grandparents who paid for this program, right? What's their incentive? What do they have to gain? If they just wanted to sue for money, the last thing any competent lawyer would tell them to do would be to make public statements like these.
Finally, I believe what I'm seeing because it makes sense. I've seen it before in my own family's experience w/ a very similar kind of program.
As to what I'd do if someone attacked me or my family, well just look around these forums. It's happened before. I don't respond and my friends and family find it funny because they know it's not true.
Any Irishman who doubts the reality of selective enforcement ought to take just a moment to comtemplate the etymology of the term "paddy waggon".
--Antigen
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You said "Mark and Cheryl are doing something they believe in..." Well, hello!!!!! That is the problem!
What they believe in is not right!
What parents paid for was a School, with certified teachers, and a curriculum, and therapy with a licensed therapist.
And parents paid to have their kids fed--and YES 3 meals a day. And just MAYBE a snack now and then.
And we we told the Sudweeks were professional people with experience in dealing with troubled kids.
Not some raving maniac woman who never sleeps and yell GROUP all day and night to humilate and torment children!
And a woman with a pitiful husband who just every once in awhile when he sees his out of control wife going too far, and a child is really being hurt badly---Finally speaks up and say "That's enough Cheryl."
That's what they believe in, and it is sick!
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To quote Cheryl herself, even her, the "scum of the earth" could not smuggle any kid aboard a cruise ship.
She can scam Golden Corral by saving on a kid or two for the Buffet---and she does that. Great Christian Lady, huh?
And they steal parents blind---ever wonder what happens to all your AIRPORT CARDS parents? The Sudweeks sell them on EBAY. How about that?
And they sell anything else you send to your kids that "they decide the kids dont need or that are INAPPROPRIATE," so they keep the EBAY really busy. Anything for a buck!
But, they didn't smuggle any kid onto a cruise line.
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If Cheryl is doing selling things on eBay, what name are they using? Since you are anonymous, are you a parent or a child and how do you know they are doing these things? As far as bargains, a penny saved is a penny earned. As far as saving money at Golden Corral, how do we know she didn't make an agreement with them since there are so many kids. I certainly would try it. But, give us the name on eBay and I'll check it out.
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To reply about the cruise thing... yes a bunch of the kids did get beat up on the cruise because almost every single kid either smoked pot, got drunk, smoked cigarettes or kissed someone. A few of the kids even smuggled pot onto the boat. Cheryl also didnt have enough tickets for all of the kids so she smuggled them on too. Pretty smart huh? yeah right. There was never anyone in trouble for sex though. From what I knew the reason was for us going on the cruise cheryl just really wanted to go on one. There was never any talk of their honeymoon. Yes, they do have kids of their own, 3 daughters, 1 adopted daughter and a son. And to reply back to who ever wrote that cheryl and mark used their money to take us on the cruise, no they didnt, it was our parents money that paid for us to go on the cruise. Just think about this every parent pays $40,000 and i think its is even more now, for their kid to be in the program. Multiply that by 40 kids and well i'll just let you do the math. Anyway, I believe that they are scam artists, they scam everything everywhere.
they are scam artists and they took a lot of money from our parents and anyone who says otherwise is an ignorant fuck. cheryl was so cheap and never spent more than she had to on us. like feeding us moldy yogurt and allowing 2 minute showers. i think i smelled the entire time i was there. I wish some of my moms 40 k could have gone towards better food or more water. its just bullshit.
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What adopted daughter? That's another LIE the Suds tell. Darlene is NOT adopted. She's just another kid the Suds had around. Why do they do that? Lie lie lie.?????
Read the Regina vs Sudweeks trial transcript and this LIE is disclosed.
Goodness, do these people have not sense of morals?