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Open Free for All / Re: Defending Danny B.
« on: September 10, 2011, 11:31:41 PM »
Quote from: "DannyB II"
Quote from: "Wayne Kernochan"
When did you start drinking again Dan? I'd love to beat you up fore it, but I won't

I'm not the only one who sees it

Wayne, please come on now we go for the easy... :rofl:
You, Mark, Felice and Matt have been hanging again.

OK, since you have nothing but your pathetic lonely rambling, I will say goodbye.
Wayne big difference between us is I have spent the last 26 years building a future and you have fucked around hustling whatever moved and you still want to do the same. Only now you have picked the TTI and it's survivors to grift, sad part you have no freaking shame. Wayne I know you and I know you are hustling people here and it is just a matter of time till they figure you out for what you are.
Come clean and give us all a break.
See I will still be here after you and folks like yourself are long gone, so your hate is meaningless to me because it has no substance. You are emotionally a child and I know this. I can wait you out and I will.
People are more to me then a ends to a means, Wayne.
Take care...
*copied because Danny likes to delete everything

Has anyone defended Danny Bennison Yet?
1 person?

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Open Free for All / Re: Defending Danny B.
« on: September 10, 2011, 11:28:49 PM »
Quote from: "DannyB II"
Quote from: "Wayne Kernochan"
You're beginning to bore me


Then take your sorry ass and get off this site. You don't belong here anyway.
I'm boring you, dude here is my reason I'm here, my sweetie went out with
her friends. What is your (made up) wife doing, another of your lies.
Wayne you are not married, no fucking wife would let you drag her all
around New England and New York every other week.
As I said take your lying boring ass, somewhere else.
Stop trolling me.. :rofl:
Oh, please tell Matt and Mark that it is impossible for me to abuse them, they
were already at Elan when I got there, they taught me what I know.
One last thing Wayne go on Stinkin Thinkin and tell them you are a liar I am not
5 years older then you. Lie, lie and lie some more. In your mind the truth just doesn't
have enough punch to help you.
Take care young man....

 :roflmao:

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Open Free for All / Re: Defending Danny B.
« on: September 10, 2011, 01:38:21 PM »
Quote from: "DannyB II"
Quote from: "Wayne Kernochan"
That's because you're stupid

Gee....lets see here. This poster is stupid because he makes a observation about a book. This book was created under unscrupulous conditions, wasn't it?
Wayne the weight of your lies is pressing down on you, you are desperately scrapping any site that remotely trolls me now, looking for sales.
Damn isn't this interesting, Wayne creates a book (which BTW nobody has come forward and said "Yeah, Wayne you are right") because he feels
I am fucking with survivors, abusing them here on websites and because he has no sales of this book he is pleading for the very same audience to
now buy his book which they are not.
Wayne where are all these witnesses, corroborators you said (another lie) you had. Jeff Weintraub, please he is another staff member/Ass. Director.
This is who told Wayne I didn't drag Mary around and that has been giving Wayne the information that went into his book. Which brings us all the way back
to Waynes credibility issues. Wayne has lied on several occasions and has refused to publicly make them right. He has no problem lying publicly but telling the truth
well, that is a problem.  
See Jeff did go through Elan and worked at Elan but Matt, Felice and Wayne have had no problem with Jeff because Jeff gave them what they wanted.
Maybe nobody knows who is Jeff on facebook...another alias, Wayne what more are you hiding.
Wayne you and I did not accomplish anything, this is another lie. All that happened was you wanted something and once it wasn't there any longer the bogus
relationship crumbled as it should of.
I have read and listened to many people go on and on about how you forgave me and how big a guy you are. Really...They have never met you in person or hung out with you
have they. They just know you through the internet and on the phone, I only know you on the internet and the few times we talked on the phone. What I have witnessed
of your behavior on Reddits, The Aspen site, Fornits and Elan The After Years is someone who doesn't get his way, you throw a big tantrum. You quit, threaten to not support,
totally fuck up groups as you did with the Elan group twice and call names (like "cunt") to young woman who could be your daughter (they are so young) on the Aspen site.
Wayne I don't care how many people support you or like you because of this book, I really don't care if the Facebook Group I started falls apart because of what I am saying here.
I will not go on living in or around your world, it is bullshit. There are so many aliases, lies, half-truths, lies by omission, backstabbing and attention whoring, it is fucking crazy.
I wanted this private but as we all know, If it can make WAYNE famous well then, Wayne will put it out there.
Have yourself a great life buddy, let me give you a hint on a good life. Get honest with at least one person, hopefully that one person will be yourself.
Take care...
 I rate this latest  :flip: -  :shamrock:  :shamrock:  :shamrock:  :shamrock:

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Open Free for All / Re: Defending Danny B.
« on: September 09, 2011, 12:20:22 PM »
Quote from: "DannyB II"
Quote
none-ya wrote:
It seems I hit a nerv. And your right,you don't know anything about me. But people here do know you, and they hate you.

Would you please let us all know who these people are None Ya.
OH, while your at it, let us all know what it is you know about me.
Thanks, Mr. Know it All.

I hate you  :seg2:

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Tacitus' Realm / Ron Paul vs. Rick Perry
« on: September 08, 2011, 03:53:17 PM »

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Elan School / Re: My Thoughts on where to go next..
« on: September 05, 2011, 12:01:21 PM »
Quote from: "DannyB II"
Quote from: "none-ya"
What the hell are talking about. "Higher resident status"? What the hell does that even mean?. I ran away from my program twice.  The program never harmed me,but it really worked a number on a lot of other people. I was never a victim. I was "inconvienced" out of about 5 mon. of my life.Some people spant years in their programes and had to deal with bullies like you Danny.Think of guys like Stack Jones, who sat on his 10-10's on the FRONT ROW for over 2 yrs. without breaking.I never hurt anyone. Iv'e always rooted for "David over Goliath".In fact I helped someone else escape,who was about to graduate!

And by the way, some people here give you grief about AA. As far as I know, AA doesn't kidnap people from their bedrooms in the middle of the night and drag them kicking and screaming into meatinds. And if it keeps you sober,then I believe addiction to AA is less harmfull than addiction to alchohol.
Danny if this is you sober...........

Well I figured if you can make up stuff about me and splatter it all over the site, why not me too. I mean who even knows what your story is None Ya nobody here can even verify if you are a lying or not. If you attacked people, beat the crap out of people or were even in a program. Who knows None Ya.
I on the other hand I have many who know me, some have one version and some like yourself like to make up another version. But the fact is people on survivor sites were there at Elan when I was there.
None Ya who gives a shit about AA it seems only you. I left that circus years ago.
The only bully here is you None Ya and you keep trying to bully me not that this is possible but verbally you try. You are such a nitwit it isn't funny, you are calling me a bully because I defend myself. What is funny is if I had never been a *17-18 yr. old staff member for Elan you wouldn't even be trying to bust mt balls about how I defended myself with these lunatics on this site. All because I spent a little over a year at Elan 35 years ago as a *staff member at 17 years old. I should not ever defend myself because I will then have to face the wrath of None ya and be called a abuser.
You are a fool and the worst kind of manipulator of people. I hope this whole sick twisted game you enjoy playing here (with peoples lives) works for you.
None Ya people like yourself actually do so much more damage to survivors then you think, really I mean this. Because you continue to mindfuck survivors long after it was necessary.
What you fail to get I was a survivor for 10 years in freaking hellholes worse then you will ever know. I spent 18 months as a *employee because at 17 I had no where to go and you want to bust my balls and challenge me on my abuse record.
None Ya I have read what you bring to fornits and one thing I have realized you really are a first class idiot.
 Take care of yourself.
* ASSISTANT DIRECTOR

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Elan School / More BS
« on: September 04, 2011, 02:57:15 PM »
Quote from: "DannyB II"
Quote from: "shaggys"
Quote from: "DannyB11"
Sorry everybody, I was really wasted when I posted that crap. I hardly even remember all the lies i told so I had to read the whole thread again. Damn, what was I thinking? I am sorry Webdiva and Ursus and everyone else that I lied to or lied about. Sometimes when I start lying I just cant stop. Its kind of like drugs, over which I am powerless. Just the other night I was sitting in the AA parking lot, getting my buzz on waiting for the meeting to start. I was thinking about my multiple personality disorder and how it had caused me to be such an insufferable ass for so long. I thought about just walking into that meeting and telling everybody the truth about myself once and for all. Here's the real Danny people!!! Yes I am drunk and yes I am stoned, but I still believe in AA! Then I felt powerless to stop myself from continuing the charade, so I picked up my 20 year chip and headed inside for another night of clowning with the other drunks. good times brother, good times.

I just wanna say that I respect you for coming here and confessing this to the group Danny. Everybody else here (rightly) hates you, but not me Danny. You have made it very clear that you are completly powerless to stop your bad behavior. Just like when you tortured those kids at Elan. I am sure you were powerless then too Danny.   :moon:


I probably tortured other children because I was a child (brainwashed) just like you Shaggy. I went into the system at 8 yrs and came out at 19 yrs. I went in because I was trying to escape a extremely violent abusive home life (I ran away a lot, this was my biggest crime when it started). I would sleep outside in the woods just behind my home rather then experience anymore abuse. I remember I would curl up and shiver because I was so scared and lonely but it was still better then what awaited me.
Yeah I was powerless to stop the violence, abuse and torture that I endured but I wasn't powerless to stop hurting others. That is why I left in 1978 and never stepped foot in Elan or any other TC as a employee again. In 1983 and 1988 I went into two more TC's for drug addiction. I have been clean and sober since and have not had anything to do with a 12 step program in almost 7 years. I occasionally will attend a meeting, conference or weekend if it will help someone but this has also dwindle next to nothing.
I know you enjoy all this banter and smart ass conversation but at this point in time, it doesn't have the impact on me it once had. It seems very immature and stupid today, to be honest.
I will invite you to come over and commiserate with other survivors on a Facebook group we have called Elan The After Years. We have folks from all programs there. Maybe I'll see you there.
If not take care Shaggy.


>>>>Danny :beat: <<<<<<Dethgurl

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Why Screening Teens for Mental Illness Is a Terrible Idea

By John Horgan | September 2, 2011


http://http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/2011/09/02/why-screening-teens-for-mental-illness-is-a-terrible-idea/

Scientific American talks sense! And Robert Whitaker’s work is breaking into the mainstream, finally, where it belongs that we might stop hurting vulnerable people of all ages.

    From Scientific American: Why Screening Teens for Mental Illness Is a Terrible Idea

    Given the recent trend toward prescribing powerful, profitable and potentially harmful psychiatric medications to children in the U.S., I fear that TeenScreen and similar programs may end up hurting more children than they help. Here’s some background information, most of which comes from Anatomy of an Epidemic: Magic Bullets, Psychiatric Drugs, and the Astonishing Rise of Mental Illness in America  (Crown 2010), a book by the journalist Robert Whitaker that I have mentioned previously.

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Re: I just
« on: September 03, 2011, 07:31:14 PM »
:rasta:

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Feed Your Head / Re: Overmedicating children - when?
« on: September 02, 2011, 05:33:07 PM »
Oral Argument in PsychRights' big Medicaid Fraud case, United States ex rel Law Project for Psychiatric Rights v. Matsutani, et al.,http://http://psychrights.org/States/Alaska/Matsutani/Matsutani.htm  before the United States Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, has been set for 9:30 am October 12, 2011 in Seattle, Washington, at the William K. Nakamura U.S. Courthouse, 1010 Fifth Avenue  [7 Floor Courtroom #2].

For background see, PsychRights' Medicaid Fraud Initiative Against Psychiatric Drugging of Children & Youth and PsychRights' Rule 26(f) Conference Memorandum.http://http://psychrights.org/Education/ModelQuiTam/ModelQuiTam.htm

On September 24, 2010, the trial court dismissed the case under what is known as the "Public Disclosure Bar" on the grounds government officials already know about the industry-wide fraud and are allowing it to continue: http://http://psychrights.org/States/Alaska/Matsutani/163-100924Order2DismissMatsutani.pdf

[T]he Government already "has pursued False Claims Act cases and achieved extremely large recoveries against drug companies for causing the presentment of claims to Medicaid for prescriptions of psychotropic drugs that are not for medically accepted indications, including Geodon and Seroquel for use in children and youth." Thus, . . . the Government already knows about the conduct . . . .

Page 21 of Order Granting Defendant's Motion to Dismiss Under Rule 12(b)(1):http://http://psychrights.org/States/Alaska/Matsutani/163-100924Order2DismissMatsutani.pdf

PsychRights believes the judge misinterpreted the law and appealed. :http://http://psychrights.org/States/Alaska/Matsutani/Matsutani.htm#PubDiscBarAppeal
 All of the substantive briefs and motions are available at http://psychrights.org/States/Alaska/Ma ... sutani.htm

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Elan School / Re: Options to unite people on sites- Good conversation
« on: August 30, 2011, 10:01:09 AM »
Quote from: "DannyB11"
Sorry everybody, I was really wasted when I posted that crap. I hardly even remember all the lies i told so I had to read the whole thread again. Damn, what was I thinking? I am sorry Webdiva and Ursus and everyone else that I lied to or lied about. Sometimes when I start lying I just cant stop. Its kind of like drugs, over which I am powerless. Just the other night I was sitting in the AA parking lot, getting my buzz on waiting for the meeting to start. I was thinking about my multiple personality disorder and how it had caused me to be such an insufferable ass for so long. I thought about just walking into that meeting and telling everybody the truth about myself once and for all. Here's the real Danny people!!! Yes I am drunk and yes I am stoned, but I still believe in AA! Then I felt powerless to stop myself from continuing the charade, so I picked up my 20 year chip and headed inside for another night of clowning with the other drunks. good times brother, good times.

 :seg:

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Feed Your Head / Re: Shut the $%!@% up !
« on: August 30, 2011, 09:58:24 AM »
:jerry:

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Elan School / Re: Matt and Felice on Reddit Group W/Kim Morelli
« on: August 22, 2011, 08:12:43 PM »
Quote from: "DannyB II"
http://stinkin-thinkin.com/2011/06/25/be-careful/

Felice why you continue to post this is beyond anyone's comprehension. You created the parodies had them talk there and then want to say I had something to do with it. Bravo we are proud of you.
Funny though the only time I talked with this blog was on a LA Times blog.
Thanks though for showing us all once again what a 45 year old whackjob can do when she puts her mind to work.
All anyone has to do is read this blog Stinkin Thinkin and they can see how you and your friends fit right in.
They love to search for anonymous people post them on their site and abuse them.
I really didn't know much about this site till you brought it up with Matt and Wayne months back.

http://http://stinkin-thinkin.com/2011/04/06/meet-diablo-aka-danny-bennison/

The above quotes are from a guy named Danny Bennison, an AA with a spotted history, and a vicious mean streak. Currently, he writes for “McGowdoghouse,” a blog dedicated to this blog’s existence. His handle over there is “heretikreb,” but he is better known among those who peruse our comment section as “Diablo” (also “Cuggle,” and whatever other sockpuppet he may have slinked through our filter). Understanding the context of the quote requires a bit of background information, both of Diablo (Danny) and the recipient of the comment. It all started with Elan School.

Elan is a private school in Maine, dedicated to helping wayward teenagers. It employs a type of therapy known as “therapeutic community,” which makes the 12-steps look like walk through the park. Its most famous alumnus is Kennedy cousin Michael Skakel, made famous for the murder of his neighbor, Martha Moxley – an act he committed prior to attending Elan. Like Michel Skakel, most of those housed there are from well-to-do families, with the current annual fees costing upwards of $50,000.

Diablo was at Elan, starting in the mid-seventies, for almost three and a half years. First as a student, and later as a resident staff member. He made quite the impression on the other students, with threads in internet forums dedicated specifically to him, by former students of the school who characterize him with terms such as “monster.” People now in their fifties, were so traumatized by him, that multiple internet sites and forums have been started to help his victims connect and cope.

One such student, Wayne Kernochan, was so traumatized by his experience at Elan School, that he wrote an online book about his and other students’ experiences there – with our resident troll, Diablo, as the central figure in the plot: A Life Gone Awry: My Story of the Elan School. Among the many abuses chronicled in the book, was a time when Diablo tied a girl up and dragged her behind the back of his car. She was overweight, and this was Diablo’s method of convincing her to lose weight. As horrific as this sounds, it’s an incident to which Diablo fully admits, and for which he has no regrets. This is from an internet forum where Diablo engages his victims:

    “…As far as the dragging incident I am not nor will I be ashamed at programs and the courses it takes, I know that the once Fat Girl thanks me now. I will help any of you lose wight [sic] like here [sic] just call me….”

What kind of sadistic ass-clown ties someone up and drags them around behind the back of a car? And with no remorse. This was written after he had written one of his “amends letters™” to those in this forum whom he had abused. Among the highlights in the amends letter™:

    “Wayne I also want to take this time to apologize for any and all harm I caused you either directly or indirectly. I was put in charge to care for you (whether Elan wanted me to do this or not) I knew that you needed to be protected and I failed horribly.

    I can only hope in time you can see just how sincere I am.

    Now I would also like to take the time to express my sincere apologies to others to have gone to Elan that I was unkind to and down right [sic] rude to over the last year or so. As I have said before I could not have prepared myself enough to understand the impact of emotions that stormed back into my life when I ventured onto this site and others concerning Elan.

    I did not handle the emotions from others well. I can only hope that Felice, Sharon, Matt, Mark, Wayne and others can forgive my intolerable behavior I displayed here and other sites a while back. My ongoing amends to you all has been to leave you alone and to empathize with your pain and how I can irritate this with my behavior.”

Notice his mention of those who he had been “unkind to and down right [sic] rude to.” He’s making reference to his numerous meltdowns and continued degradation toward those who he had abused years ago. Today, most of these have been deleted by forum moderators, but there are still fragments of conversations – responses containing quotes from now deleted posts – which give a fairly clear picture of Diablo’s emotional instability. A quick google search of “Danny Bennison Elan” will give you a treasure trove of sociopathic-like behavior, both from Diablo’s words, and from the accounts of his victims. For years, Diablo has been trolling the forums set up to discuss him. His comments teeter from belligerence to apologetic. From anger, to amends™, and back to anger again. It’s the same bi-polar M.O. he operated under here. Often in the same, slogan-ridden language of AA – using the standard catch words and aphorisms. It makes Bill Wilson’s personality look like the epitome of stability. Diablo is just flat-out crazy.

Every human has a few skeletons in their closet, and has people in their past they may have harmed and taken advantage of — but how many people have treated others so badly, they have forums dedicated to help their victims cope with the abuse that they’ve had imposed on them. Who has been so abusive in their life that someone from thirty years in their past decides to write a book about it? Who has friends in high school refer to them as a “monster”?  How can this possibly be rectified in an amends letter™?

We have debated whether or not to post about this, but we decided to do so for a few reasons. First, Diablo posted his name openly in our comment section, so the question of anonymity on his part was not a problem. We will not disclose anyone’s name publicly, even those with whom we disagree; and even someone as vicious as Diablo.

Secondly, a rumor has started among a couple of people who were vaguely aware of Diablo’s identity, that he was somehow involved in a murder, which is not remotely true. Diablo has done enough to make himself look bad, without any help from false accusations and innuendo. As big of a jerk as Diablo is, even the implication of his involvement in a murder is unconscionable. The truth is that Diablo claims to have been deposed as a witness in the Michael Skakel trial, which is entirely possible, because they were both at Elan School at the same time. There was a question as to whether Skakel had confessed to the murder of Martha Moxley while he was a student at Elan. Diablo’s involvement as a witness (if he actually did testify) was ancillary, and he had no involvement in the incident. It happened well before Skakel had entered the school, or met the other students (including Diablo).

Finally, and most importantly, he has since we banned him, made contact with some of the readers of this blog, whose emails he acquired after contacting them as a member of the community forum. Our primary reason for getting rid of the forum, is because we could not prevent internet predators and trolls from gaining the trust, and potentially harming, other members. Not just with Diablo, but others, as well. If Diabo (or “heretikreb” or “cuggle” or any of his other aliases we are unaware of) has made contact with you, be aware of the type of person you are dealing with. Diablo, Danny Bennison, is a sick person, and he is aptly named.

Diablo has been an AA for over twenty years. He has sponsored people and worked his way through the AA social circle. No doubt those he sat next to in meetings, sponsored, gained trust from, and coached through the program; had no knowledge of his past, and most likely his present. A person who is inclined to drag a girl around on a rope with a car, has problems that stem well beyond drinking. Clearly, just judging from actions here on our blog, his manipulation and abuse never really ended. At least with us, it was simply head games on the internet, which makes him fairly harmless (unless any of you were foolish enough to share email or telephone information). In AA, it is different. This is a person you are told to trust, that his – not your – judgment is what matters. This is who you are asked to give yourself over to. This Diablo is team McGowdog’s, but there are tens of thousands of Diablos throughout AA. This is the guy sitting next to you at a meeting.

- MA


 :deal:

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Elan School / Re: Matt and Felice on Reddit Group W/Kim Morelli
« on: August 22, 2011, 03:40:06 PM »
A link to this:http://http://stinkin-thinkin.com/2011/06/25/be-careful/ was posted on Reddit Troubled Teens facebook account.

Debi Levin Johnson (Danny Bennison's new cult follower).......decided to start a flame war and blame it on Felice (of course)

Debi Levin Johnson
I am "friends" with Danny Bennison. I fight for the under-dog and he gives me hope that people can change and Wayne Kernochan gives me hope that anyone can forgive:) Please people be human!!!!!
August 16 at 9:59pm

            Jackies Rants N Raves I have to agree that people can change... and people can forgive...and also that all people need to be humane...
            August 16 at 10:04pm ·
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            Debi Levin Johnson I will never post to"get over it" but he is in his 50's now..... Really. we all make bad choices and stupid mistakes out of anger.
            August 16 at 10:08pm ·
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            Jackies Rants N Raves well i for sure cant deny the anger part lol
            August 16 at 10:08pm ·
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            Debi Levin Johnson lol. Jackie!
            August 16 at 10:10pm ·
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            Jackies Rants N Raves ?>:)
            August 16 at 10:10pm
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            Larry Beck amen to all of the above
            August 17 at 3:03am
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            Joicelyn Baer I agree whole heartedly. I do agree that people can change and forgive.
            August 17 at 4:50am
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            Kim Morello I hope for your sake he really has changed. Fucker threatened and scared the hell out of me.
            August 17 at 5:01am
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            Jackies Rants N Raves sorry to hear that kim... i just want to see the infighting stop, thats all... time to let personal feelings fall by the wayside and stay on top of the task at hand...
            August 17 at 5:02am ·
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            Jackies Rants N Raves and when someone threatens someone, they need to be addressed and the issue squashed so it doesnt go further...
            August 17 at 5:03am · 2 peopleLoading...
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            Jackies Rants N Raves threats and intimidation only make me mad lol :) *hugs* to ya , sorry you went thru what you did...
            August 17 at 5:04am ·
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            Joicelyn Baer I'm sorry he threatened and scared you Kim, I am so sorry for all that you went through.
            August 17 at 5:07am ·
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            Felice Debra Eliscu Have fun! Let me know when you need to pull that knife out of your back.
            August 17 at 5:30am
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            Kim Morello Thanks. I'm fine & don't fight with him here and won't, but he really crossed the line....several times. And I mean REALLY crossed the line. Matt Hoffman saw the whole disgusting mess. We did attempt to address it with him. He either denied it or, even worse, would brag & laugh and double down on the threats.
            August 17 at 5:36am ·
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            Felice Debra Eliscu Yes and he is still at it to this day playing the "nice guy" I am a changed Man card. I do not buy it and anyone who does deserves what they get from him.
            August 17 at 5:38am
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            Debi Levin Johnson I am so sorry Kim that you got that done to you and I am sincere when I say that NO-ONE sould ever be victimized ever! I hope you are O.K. now.
            August 17 at 5:43am
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            Debi Levin Johnson If you don't mind me asking Kim Morello, when did this happen to you? Again I am so sorry it did.
            August 17 at 6:03am
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            Kim Morello On Fornits about 8/9 months or even a year ago. Went on for a long time. And I didn't "get it done" to me.....HE did it. Over and over and over again and then bragged and laughed about it. I'm not upset with you at all! I don't mean this to sound that way. Just tread very carefully.
            August 17 at 6:22am
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            Debi Levin Johnson k
            August 17 at 6:23am
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            Wayne Kernochan He did worse to me, so I get what you're all saying. What I don't understand is why this is going on now, and why its going on here. He's not a member, and I've been asked by three people in private messages why Elan is dragging an old flame war into this group. I don't misunderstand the anger or the posts, but it does no good and has the potential to do harm here. It could hurt Reddit's reputation. To outsiders this looks like a bunch of adolescents in a flame war. They don't know the history, hell, some don't even know what Elan is.
            August 17 at 6:35am ·
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            Aaron Seymour I really can't say I care.
            August 17 at 10:47pm ·
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            Debi Levin Johnson Thank god I saved my post because someone deleated it... Chicken shit:)
            August 18 at 9:32am

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