Post by: CCM girl 1989 on December 01, 2005, 04:50:00 PM
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Post by: bandit1978 on December 06, 2005, 03:23:00 AM
The Irish have their holiday in March.
Post by: try another castle on December 06, 2005, 05:28:00 AM
Dude, we should so totally bring back Saturnalia.
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Post by: Anonymous on December 06, 2005, 09:53:00 PM
Post by: webcrawler on December 06, 2005, 10:38:00 PM
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On 2005-12-06 18:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I'm white and I've celebrated Kwanzaa for about 10 years. I smoke crack, play tunk (card game the brothers in jail like to play), drink Cisco, wear gold chains, and listen to hip-hop. You think I'm kidding? Kwanzaa's one of my favorite holidays, I really enjoy that crack......"
Is one of the members of ICP posting on here now? :rofl:
Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2005, 12:45:00 AM
Post by: webcrawler on December 07, 2005, 01:13:00 AM
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On 2005-12-06 21:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Do you think African-Americans made this holiday in December just out of spite? If not, they should have made in some other time during the year, so that more people might get involved and learn about it and even celebrate."
http://www.holidays.net/kwanzaa/story.htm (http://www.holidays.net/kwanzaa/story.htm)
Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2005, 03:03:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2005, 10:52:00 PM
This is not a holiday founded from spite. It is a rejection of materialism and a celebration of the true gifts of life. (Although that will probably change if Nordstrom has the card.)
I have friends whose families celebrate Kwanzaa, and it has real meaning.
And like the other poster attested, our other Christian holidays did not really occur when Jesus was born or died. They were pagan rituals that were remade into Christian ones to pave the way for conversion.
But who the fuck cares? Santa Claus is coming to town, whether you are naughty or nice.
Post by: Anonymous on December 08, 2005, 12:52:00 AM
Most African-Americans I know do not celebrate it, b/c they celebrate xmas, or whatever. More people would celebrate if they just held it in a different month.
Post by: CCM girl 1989 on December 08, 2005, 11:24:00 AM
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On 2005-12-07 21:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I'm not saying that Kwanza doesn't have real meaning- but I think that they should celebrate it some other time during the year.
Most African-Americans I know do not celebrate it, b/c they celebrate xmas, or whatever. More people would celebrate if they just held it in a different month."
I agree with you. I'm not sure why they are trying to compete with Christmas? I know this holiday was started 40 years ago. So, basically 1965 when we were having a lot of racial issues. Who knows, maybe I'd even take the time to celebrate it, if it was in a different month?
Post by: Anonymous on December 08, 2005, 11:28:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 08, 2005, 12:28:00 PM
Did you read the link provided? Not to worry, unless you're black, the holdiay/celebration wasn't intended for you or to usurp Xmas.
http://www.holidays.net/kwanzaa/story.htm (http://www.holidays.net/kwanzaa/story.htm)
Kwanzaa begins on December 26th, the day after Christmas, and continues until New Years Day, January 1st.
On the sixth day, which falls on New Years Eve, family and friends get together to enjoy a large feast and to celebrate their history, culture, and the upcoming new year.
Dr. Karenga wanted to create a holiday [1966] that would bring AFRICAN AMERICANS together in CELEBRATION OF THEIR BLACK CULTURE.
The dates of the celebration, December 26 - January 1, were chosen to correspond to the end of the year celebrations in America. Kwanzaa begins the day after Christmas. This to bypass the commercial buying period but to take advantage of the seasonal holiday spirit.
Post by: Hyde's Attorney on December 08, 2005, 06:34:00 PM
Post by: bandit1978 on December 10, 2005, 02:33:00 AM
You don't have to be a "Christian" to appreciate Jesus or to celebrate Christmas. I am surely not a "Christian", but I look to Jesus for inspiration, especially in doing my work as a nurse. And I enjoy Christmas, to spend time with my family, and I like to give gifts- things people will enjoy, as a token of my love.
I am not African-American either, but if Kwanza were held at a different time, (February seems appropriate), I would enjoy taking the time to participate in the celebration.
I have lots of African-American, and African, friends, most of whom ARE Christian, they celebrate Christmas and New Years, and consequently do not have the time to get very much involved with Kwanza.
My family is Irish-American, and EVERYONE likes to celebrate St. Patricks day, and it's in March, so theres a lot more involvement than there would be if we held it in December.
Post by: Anonymous on December 10, 2005, 04:10:00 PM
How much time does it really take to light a candle and discuss one of the 7 principals- unity, self-determination, collective work and responsibility, cooperative economics, purpose, creativity, and faith?
Actually sounds like a good wind-down after the gross explosion of materialism at xmas and before the new year. It's not like he made December, Black History Month.
How about Hanukkah? Starts on Xmas day this year, but usually falls during the height of shopping for the established 'christian' holiday. But all the c/j families I know, who it's important to, seem to manage both.
I just don't think it's appropriate, and could be unaware racism, for white people to complain about where blacks decide to schedule THEIR celebrations.
Post by: Pinks Attorneys Friends N on December 10, 2005, 04:22:00 PM
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Post by: Nihilanthic on December 12, 2005, 08:37:00 PM
They serve so that we don't have to. They offer to give up their lives so that we can be free. It is, remarkably, their gift to us. And all they ask for in return is that we never send them into harm's way unless it is absolutely necessary. Will they ever trust us again?
Michael More
Post by: Anonymous on December 13, 2005, 03:34:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 13, 2005, 10:46:00 PM
When one is systematically beaten down, there's bound to be some backlash. Consider it pay back.
Post by: Anonymous on December 14, 2005, 01:38:00 AM
My family used to live in a nice neighborhood. After 50 years, it became so bad, we had to sell our family home.
Who do you suppose brought crime to our neighborhood, who broke into our house 3 times, and mugged my grandmother on the street? I'll give you one guess.
Not that I blame every person for this- I know better than to dish out any sort of "payback" to any race-as-a-whole.
But those who don't work, live off the dole, don't get educated, throw garbage on the streets, steal from other people, and TAKE NO RESPONSIBILITY will reap "payback" of their own.
Post by: Anonymous on December 14, 2005, 10:37:00 PM
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Post by: Anonymous on December 22, 2005, 02:59:00 PM
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On 2005-12-14 19:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Whats the first thing that comes to mind when you hear "Prodominately Black Neighborhood" ???? Come on, be honest you lil fuckers!!"
A place i'd stay far away from. I was a white minority at the junior high school I went to and the blacks love to 'get revenge' on whites for us controlling the world, or whatever they think it is we have that they don't. IMO, blacks are more racist than whites, because they are seeking revenge.
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Post by: Anonymous on December 22, 2005, 06:51:00 PM
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On 2005-12-22 15:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Id MUCH rather my child be in a trailor park than the South Bronx..Wouldnt you?"
of course.
Post by: Anonymous on December 22, 2005, 07:27:00 PM
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On 2005-12-22 15:32:00, Anonymous wrote:ABSOLUTELY
"Id MUCH rather my child be in a trailor park than the South Bronx..Wouldnt you?"
Post by: Anonymous on December 22, 2005, 10:44:00 PM
But damm... I'm glad no one in my family is from a trailer park. That would be embarrassing.
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Post by: Anonymous on December 23, 2005, 01:49:00 PM
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On 2005-12-10 13:10:00, Anonymous wrote:
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I still don't get why YOU are so concerned about a holiday that doesn't effect you.
because, like I said, I really enjoy smoking crack for Kwanzaa.
Post by: Anonymous on December 23, 2005, 03:36:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 23, 2005, 04:22:00 PM
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On 2005-12-23 12:36:00, Anonymous wrote:Who gives a fuck? :lol:
"is today kwanza?"
Post by: Anonymous on December 23, 2005, 04:56:00 PM
::hatter::
Post by: Anonymous on December 23, 2005, 05:18:00 PM
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On 2005-12-23 13:22:00, Anonymous wrote:Nice one!!
"QuoteWho gives a fuck? :lol: "
On 2005-12-23 12:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
"is today kwanza?"
Post by: The Liger on December 24, 2005, 12:19:00 AM
This all just seems like a racist attack. I mean, why else would you really care? Did someone not show up to your Christmas party because it interfered with their Kwanzaa celebration? So, if Kwanzaa was in February, you'd celebrate it? How do you celebrate Black History Month in February? How do you celebrate MLK, Jr. day in mid-January? You don't, that's how.
It's disappointing to read such thought-out points of view on the "teen help" industry, and then read such disgusting racism on the same forum.
Blechhh!!!
Post by: Anonymous on February 21, 2012, 03:24:43 AM
I just think it is an interesting note that Kwanza is celebrated the same time as all these other holidays, and wondered if maybe people would get more involved in it if it were at some other time.
Why are some people so damn sensitive? I'm not Christian, but I don't get offended when people say "Merry Christmas". Whatever!