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An open discussion about the troubled parent industry

Many Parents do believe that the end justifies the means - and know exactly what goes on. The problem is that, in a capatalist society, business is sacred, because $ is sacred. And WWASP sounds Cheap. CEDU Brown Schools/ Rocky Mountain Academy, Boulder Creek Acdemy, CEDU High School and Middle School comes at close to $8000 per month.

This problem most be solved politically, Because capatalist democracy really means "goverment of business, by business and for business" under the pretense of goverment by the people of the people and for the people - CEDU and WWASP represent business and money, and they can only be reformed by revolt on the Order and Magnitude of Enron - where legislators have to act or they risk loseing the false confidence of the people. That's why Regulators and Legislators in Idaho Ignore Legitimate complaints by workers, therapists, managers and advocates aimed toward these places.

Much of you say is true about Idaho, and that was my point. I can't dis on the rivers and the woods though. On that account it is really a great place. I still go over there regularly to enjoy them. And, no problem. You would be right. We all carry some bigoty and work dilligently to decrease it. Actually I love the South and Love making fun if it as much as I do my beloved Northwest and especially my sweet home Idaho and the whole USA and a few other places too. I suppose I didn't make it clear, however. that I don't identify myself with any of particular place. Hey, I've lived all over the place and have liked most all of them (no zenophobia or ethnocentrism here). However, I've been thinking, it would sure be funny to get a bumber sticker that says "God Bless Canada and Mexico." Since I'm not getting any laughs ruffling southern feathers, anybody wanna make one of those bumper stickers just for fun. Thanks for the good advice Karen!!!! And, you are right. This is not to be taken seriously. And since it is annoying to others on the board, I'll do the honerable thing and put and end to it. And to the gentleman from the South. "Its all good."
Roy

I wonder if it actually inferred a relationship to "The Seed." But, That may not be the case. What they have said as long as I have been around is that is means See (CE) who you are  And DO (DU) Something about it. My responce to them is "excuse me?" "CE who you are and DU pull your head out of your ass."

God Forbid honey-child. Who would dare dis the holy South? No, blow those trumpets; bow down to them pointy hats, grab them bibles and put them there ten commandments back in front of them there courthouses.

Discrimination is even worse toward us poar Godly southern whites, so let's spread them there confederate flags all over the country, wear them uniforms and burn them crosses in honor of that-there poor white man that's been treated so badly by them godless humanist liberals. Oh my, where is my fan. It's so hot honey-child. I just feel so tired. :wstupid:

I'm going to read the book since I don/t pretend to understand the religion very well - its just that what I've seen of it so far turns me off to it.

Asking me to be more precise is a valid request. I would say that I dislike the Kings and/or Gods concept, but mostly I dislike the reproducion of children on a scale that would appear to be exploitive of the earth. I believe large families produce still larger numbers of children that consume scarce resources faster than they can be renewed - causing the less fornunate to starve. Also, I believe that this is unethical in a world where many have little or nothing. Further, the whole notion of kings in the afterlife (but not women) is a repugnant as the origonal statement by that Mormon prophet fellow (what's his name?) that blacks are the "seeds of satan." I know, he withdrew this statement after a prophetic vision, but a lot of people in the South had the same "vision" a bit to late. Call me judgemental of this religion. I am, (and this is definately a judgement), not a problem to me. I see this Mormon (LDS) movement as cultish, unethical, controlling, and power hungry, But,I defend your right to believe in it and defend the right to practice it - even that Racist Christian identity crap if you like it. I don't and I think it is more full of crap than Mormonism - so condem me for that religious persecution while you are at it, and, perhaps you will see the illogic of your line of reasioning. It is not the 50's, but a lot of what LDS does is like it. So, I would just recomend not subjucating women, admitting to past subjigation of minorities, current discrimination of gays, even a policy against mastrubation, monitoring the sex lives of ,arried couples, accountability for interfering generally in the private lives of belivers, and, environmantal responsibity per reproduction -- i.e. birth control.

Most of all, I would suggest a more open intelectual tradition that is inclusive of more scientific dialouge and free thought on issues such as modern astronomy, particle physics, quantum mechanics and biological evolution.

But, we all have the right to believe and practice as we choose. We don't, however, have the right to expect or demand the silence of critics such as myself  :smile: (free speech). Here is some. "I don't care for religious fundamentalism in general, I'm not ashamed of saying so, and, I have as much right to say so as mormons do to knock on my door and try to sell me that cultish social control crap."  :smile:

I'm not sure what you "annon" are talking about. But, suffice it to say that I am more of the Eastern (pantheist)mindset "god and nature/ universe are one and the same." So, not being a dualist, the notion of a seperate spirit comes as without evidence - but I'm always willing to entertain the notion where empirical data is concerned. I will say that I have not ruled out "spirit" as you call it. I could have you talk with my wife though - she would agree wholeheartedly with you being a quaker and all. But, she also entertains the non-dualist notion as a likely valid hypothisis.

As far a mormons are concerned, remember that I said the people have perhaps fallen onto something ... evil. I am referring to the organized power structure only - not individuals. By "evil" I mean a constructed social reality of CONTROL and POWER. I did not mean to impose any other definition, nor, do I belive that my definition is necessarily the right definition or the only one - all is hypothisis. Yours is fine too. :smile:

I was married to staff of CEDU. It was hell going through the personality changes, the yelling, the mood swings and abuse role modeled by the CEDU culture. My spouse eventually went dead: Became a sleepwalker, was worked to death. There was no life, no thought, no belief, no conversation on anything but CEDU and the kids. This person's whole identity became CEDU and was lost to me. 25 years of hell living with it indirectly. Can you imagine what it must be like for the kids living in it? I invite Spouses and Relatives of CEDU and other programs to speak out.  ::