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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones => Topic started by: Martin Weems on June 23, 2005, 09:13:00 PM
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Hi, boys and girls!
I'm so sorry it's all over. Maybe, some day, I can start up a school of my own and you can all come live there. I hope so! I just loved every minute of trying to make you all into the people you should be. Don't despair! There is STILL time for you to be saved!
And Ottawa, if you're out there, let's have lunch!
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Hi, Martin! Let's invite Ottawa for lunch and go together!!! I sure miss CEDU... I just loved all the power I had. No other place would ever respect my fake degree that I got AFTER I was promoted into administration the way CEDU did...
sniff, sniff...
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What in the world are you two talking about?!
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satire, my friend...
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Ah, the things that have to be explained...
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I hate that it's all over. What other company would promote the most incompetent assholes? What other company would fire the only good and decent counselors? What other company would ignore what REAL therapists say? What other company would have us all go out and get fake degrees and brag about them? What other company would get paid for brainwashing parents and emotionally abusing kids?
Ottawa... where are you, my love? Let's all do lunch... and more, you hot babe... It could be a foursome. You, Martin, Brandiiiiiiiii, and me...
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Shut it Anon or reveal yourself...two choices!
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What the heck are you saying that for? There is no need for hostility. I was the second anon here. I have no clue who the first anon was. And what good would revealing yourself do? Few of us use our real names, anyway.
You say I had two choices - or the first anon did. I don't know whom. Why make threatening statements? You told me to "shut it" or reveal myself "...or else." But you didn't even know we were two different people. Jumping to that kind of conclusion just makes you look bad, and I don't want to see that.
What on earth can you do to me - or to that person? Why would you assume it's the same person? Who did this to you - who made you so hostile? Maybe CEDU? Then join us in making fun of those ass holes! I'd love to see you use your intelligence to do this - give 'em hell! But don't give it to us! We're all on the same side here!
If you look through some old posts, you will see an extremely hostile person named ottawa5. She was a real ass. She never revealed her name, but gave people hell for posting as anon. Her daughter even started posting - Ottawa2. So I made up a user name "Ottawa 5" and posted about how wonderful CEDU is and how the kids are all bad. People loved it! Then I posted as "Ottawa 6." She disappeared.
What good would posting as we really are do? I mean, if we don't use our actual names, and I don't - nor did she - then posting by the login names we make up wouldn't make any difference.
We're just having some fun here with this thread. You don't need to be hostile nor offended. It's pointless. We're just making fun of some of the administrators. I wish you NO ill at all.[ This Message was edited by: Martin Weems on 2005-06-24 17:37 ]
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I've seen your profile... you don't reveal your true name. Chill, man. We're having fun here. Sometimes I just don't want to bother to log in.
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"if you want to fuck---just ask" could screw up a one car parade!!
Even when she's trying to stick to the anti-cedu party line, she acts like a dope cuz she can't even recognize a joke when she see one. Silly opinionated little twat
O5 is gone but obviously not forgotten. I know her thru a friend and you web rats are so-o-o off base I'm not even going to get into it..only to say she's not hostile and she's a helluva lot smarter and kinder than anyone I've seen on this pathetic site
Youll likely be hearing more about her soon enough anyway
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hey, that is uncalled for. Don't be a shit. Ottowa 5 was a psycho, so don't even go there...
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hey, that is uncalled for. Don't be a shit. Ottowa 5 was a psycho, so don't even go there...
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She showed every sign of a personality disorder. When that was pointed out to her, she jumped on the poster, saying that person was "diagnosing" her, even though the post noted that she had traits that looked like it. No actual diagnosis was made. She was completely unreasonable, histrionic, hysterical, paranoid, and aggressive. She was very hostile, making threats and being a major pain in the ass.
She claimed to spend very little time in the threads, but she posted volumes. I don't know how someone who doesn't care very much and doesn't spend much time in the threads could possibly post as much as she did. It was amazing.
If you believe she is so sweet and smart, go through her posts and read all of them. Every last one. One thing of particular interest is the way she tried to figure out who was whom. She talked about writing styles - which ones were from which person and so forth. She accused members of conspiring with each other. She said she had printed out posts and was going to show them to attorneys for CEDU. She then went in later and changed those posts - but we all saw them. Some people deleted their posts because she scared them with her threats. Sad - they were all telling the truth.
Worst of all, she used her status as a student to try and sound superior and all-knowing. She was supercilious and showed a spectacularly low level of social awareness. I only hope she was lying about her educational status, as the world does not need any psychologists like her. I earned my Ph.D. years ago, and was absolutely taken aback by her manner. It is terrible.
You state that you are a friend. Perhaps you are she - or her daughter. I know that nothing I'm saying here means anything to you. But the rest of us know the truth. I hope she does not drag her daughter into these posts again. I hated seeing people attacking a kid. Just the fact that she introduced her daughter to these posts is demonstrative of her poor judgment. That was inappropriate, as the kid would not be able to avoid attack. Everyone here hated Ottawa5 so much that they launched into her kid when she appeared. It didn't make me very happy to see that. But it wasn't the poster's fault, really. It was on Ottawa - one more of her terrible parenting decisions.
I recommend she stay off these posts. People will just attack her and it will get all ugly again. Tell her to get some therapy, instead.
Oh, that reminds me - somebody here suggested she print out ALL of HER posts and show them to her dissertation chair. It was suggested more than once and she always ignored it. She knew that she was demonstrating some kind of emotional or personality problem.
Encourage her to move on and not return. None of us here needs the anger and hatred she inspired.
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Nothing towards you Martin! It's funny how an Anon can come on here and cause hostility through sarcasim, but I can't defend myself..Hmmm! I was simply asking in the beginng what you guys were referring too, and all I get is some crap sarcastic answer from someone that I wasn't speaking too. Sarco-To rip, shread! So I guess I just need to calm myself down and let someone else treat me that way! No thank you. And for the Anon that loves to refer to me as a slut, don't sit behind a keyboard and start referring to me as "if you want to fuck..ask". You can go somewhere else with that!
Martin, no harm meant to you. Let it be like water down a ducks' back! I am just sick of these "bashing" anon's following me around to talk shit!
I have absolutely NO problems with people joking or whatnot on here, cuz I know I have had my share of laughs on here. I don't expect people to share their true identity. You're right, I don't give ANYONE my real name on the web. Nor do I expect someone else to. But when people post their crap talking towards me as an anon, I hate that because I have no way of privately asking them their problem with me! I choose not to do that in a "post" form because it is of no one else's concern! But that is all! [ This Message was edited by: If u want to know..then ask on 2005-06-27 08:03 ]
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I dont know this woman very well personally but I know a smear campaign when I see one
Everything I hear from people who do know her is she's good standup person She "made" her kid post here: I know for a fact that her kids are adults, so how'd she do that... I wonder?
Now I'm hearing you say she said this or that at one time and, oh, oh she erased it!!, so I guess now weve got to take your word on that, whoever you are!
I spotted some of her posts here, theyre nothing more than typical smart ass remarks that happen all the frigging time when somebody gets flamed on line...pretty mild really considering some of the provocation I saw when I looked around
Paranoid? hysterical? C'mon anon, this kind of silly accusing says more about you than her So what if she posted a lot, her posts are interesting compared to what I see here these days
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REPENT, all you who smear Ottawa. Worship the Ottawa! She is the best of my minions! She is loyal and faithful to me! She loves all that I stand for! She is my QUEEN here in Hell. Bow down and worship the Ottawa - OR SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES!!!!!!!
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Anon, Ottawa taunted and baited people here. You would have to read all the posts. She came off as superior, supercilious, and smug. She was an ass.
She and her daughter said that said daughter was "a teenager." "Grown" was not mentioned.
I suggest you drop this line of defense. You have no clue what people here went through. None. These people are angry and wounded, and she was here insulting folks in her "reasonable" way. Leave it, please.
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So Bryan, is that you in one or both of the last two posts??
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BTW, what is it with you people and the word "supercilious" in terms of Ottawa?? It's not a word that is commonly used I think you'd agree, what's the fixation?? It's like it's code for something I'm missing.
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It's a vocabulary word that smart people use.
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Then what the hell is it doing in posts at this site?
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:wstupid: Because in case you haven't noticed,
there are some very intelligent people who post here. I wouldn't count you as one of them.
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Well too damn bad....and visa versa to you smart ass, visa versa.
Nice cartoon though....but shouldn't it just read "I'm stupid", cuz I doubt you're with anybody
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I'M SORRY IT'S ALL OVER BECAUSE CEDU WAS THE ONLY PLACE WE'RE I WAS TRULY FREE TOO WHIP YOUR LITTLE SPOILED ASSES IN SHAPE.
ALL OF YOU HOPELESS, DIRTY, SHITHEADS ARE OUT OF TOUCH WITH YOURSELVES. WHY ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT INTELLIGENT WORDS? IT'S BECAUSE YOU ALL HAVE TOO MUCH FREE TIME ON YOUR HANDS, AND NO SUPERVISION!
WHY ARE YOU EVEN THINKING? WE DIDN'T TEACH YOU THINK. WE TAUGHT YOU TO OBEY.
HOW DARE YOU PEOPLE THINK!
DON'T THINK, FEEL!
OBEY AND FEEL THANKFUL THAT CEDU SAVED YOUR WORTHLESS LIVES,BECAUSE NONE OF YOU SHITHEADS WOULD BE ANYTHING WITHOUT CEDU!
.[ This Message was edited by: Guy Bonanno on 2005-07-02 10:32 ]
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STUPID, SPOILED, SHITHEADS!
HOW DARE YOU INSULT CEDU, AND CALL IT ABUSIVE.
HOW DARE YOU SPEAK YOUR MINDS! YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO HAVE AN OPINION!
IF YOU WERE WITH ME AT CEDU RIGHT NOW, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TIME FOR OPINIONS! YOU'D BE TOO BUSY CHOPPING WOOD, SHOVELING SHIT, AND SCRUBBING TOILETS. I'D HAVE MY FOOT SO FAR UP YOUR ASSES, THAT YOU'D HAVE TO BEG ME TO PULL IT OUT JUST SO YOU COULD WIPE THEM!
YOU WOULD ALL BE WORKING, OR IN RAPS WITH ME GETTING BUSTED ON YOUR SHIT!!! YOU WOULDN'T BE READING BOOKS, OR GOING TO SCHOOL, OR ASKING ANY STUPID QUESTIONS. YOU DON'T NEED THAT GARBAGE! YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO THINK,YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO FEEL WORTHLESS AND OBEY!!!
YOU'D ALL BE THANKFUL THAT WE EVEN LET YOU EAT, EXACTLY AS IT SHOULD BE, BECAUSE NONE OF YOU RICH BRATS ARE WORTH A SHIT!
[ This Message was edited by: Guy Bonanno on 2005-07-02 10:45 ]
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On 2005-07-02 09:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Well too damn bad....and visa versa to you smart ass, visa versa.
Nice cartoon though....but shouldn't it just read "I'm stupid", cuz I doubt you're with anybody"
Wow, the Anon Bully who worships Ottawa5 and spends all his free time on the internet personally attacking people he doesn't even know,
just said that he doubts I'm with anybody.
Of course he doesn't know me either, or really much about anything for that matter. Sorry to burst your bubble, Anon Bully, but you're not
very convincing.
And until YOU are with someone other than your own hand, I would suggest than you not waste anymore time commenting on the personal relationships of others.
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Stupid punk.
If you DID know anything about me (which you obviously DON'T), I'd have to question the type of people that I hung out with---- that they'd even be communicating about me to a clueless punk like you
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Hey, guys. I think this is funny! I don't know if he meant it as an insult - maybe so. But it's funny to me.
On 2005-07-02 06:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Then what the hell is it doing in posts at this site?"
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Guy, remember when I did you in the laundry room? I miss you, man! You were hung like a horse. Well, a small horse. A miniature horse, actually. I mean a really small, little, tiny horse. More like a rat, really. No, a mouse. Something like that.
But wasn't it fun? I loved talking dirty about all the stuff we heard in raps and doing you. Man, that was hot! Want to get together for a threesome with Ottawa?
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On 2005-07-02 12:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Stupid punk.
If you DID know anything about me (which you obviously DON'T), I'd have to question the type of people that I hung out with---- that they'd even be communicating about me to a clueless punk like you"
Dear Anon Bully:
I know a lot of things about you. Stop kidding everyone, your two best friends are left hand & right hand--- no one else wants to hang out with a Clueless Antisocial Freak like You.
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C'mon, boys... let's all try to get along. Why don't we get together... you sound pretty hot to me. I liked doing those CEDU boys...
On 2005-07-05 05:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-07-02 12:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Stupid punk.
If you DID know anything about me (which you obviously DON'T), I'd have to question the type of people that I hung out with---- that they'd even be communicating about me to a clueless punk like you"
Dear Anon Bully:
I know a lot of things about you. Stop kidding everyone, your two best friends are left hand & right hand--- no one else wants to hang out with a Clueless Antisocial Freak like You. "
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I am surprised. I thought Martin liked boys, Brandi liked girls and Guy was ambidextrous. Live and Learn.
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Excellent point! But I hid my sexual orientation. I do everything and everyone. Ottawa, you hot babe... are you out there???
On 2005-07-05 09:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I am surprised. I thought Martin liked boys, Brandi liked girls and Guy was ambidextrous. Live and Learn."
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Well I don't really know but I suspect a few things about you too my little cyper-pal.
For one thing the masturbation fixation ("right hand-left-hand-best-friend" theme in your last two posts) is very Rod-of-Serbia: he was always pretty fixated this way (Gee, I wonder why??. Also the smart-ass-little-twit tone reminds me of him, the way he's relentlessly a little jerk that you'd like to drop-kick over the fence or something
As we know these days Rod has gone all shy and anonymous on us here at this site...so I'm guessing that you are probably him, in a more modest form
Am I right?
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On 2005-07-05 20:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Well I don't really know but I suspect a few things about you too my little cyper-pal.
For one thing the masturbation fixation ("right hand-left-hand-best-friend" theme in your last two posts) is very Rod-of-Serbia: he was always pretty fixated this way (Gee, I wonder why??. Also the smart-ass-little-twit tone reminds me of him, the way he's relentlessly a little jerk that you'd like to drop-kick over the fence or something
As we know these days Rod has gone all shy and anonymous on us here at this site...so I'm guessing that you are probably him, in a more modest form
Am I right?"
Yeah, I've been reading up on your sick little fixation with Son Of Serbia and this Bryan Felscher guy, you have a habit of accusing anons of being them. Talk about being paranoid!
It's pretty obvious that you spend a lot of time thinking about these guys, probably during your little masturbation sessions (Tsk,Tsk, Tsk).
To answer your question paranoia boy, no I'm not
Son Of Serbia, and I'm not Bryan either.
But after reading many of their posts and talking to you personally, I must agree that they
were both right on the money with their descriptions of you---and it make for some pretty funny reading too!
The part about you being a dickless little twerp
(or something like that)is especially fitting, as everyone who posts here already knows you're
a coward. You're a clueless, paranoid, deluded,
idiot too.
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Thanks for answering my question, Rod
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On 2005-07-06 06:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Thanks for answering my question, Rod"
Well if that's what you choose to believe, go right ahead. Cedu followers have a tendency to fabricate their own "truths" when they can't explain things,thanks for making my point for me!
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And you're on line just about the time the Serb ususally is...interesting.
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I'm not the above anon, but I do know SOS personally, and he hasn't posted here in
quite some time. I agree that SOS is a bit
rough around the edges at times. But he is
also an extremely intelligent, honest,kind,
and generous individual. SOS has one of the biggest hearts I've ever seen. And he's
also a stand up guy, whose not afraid of
anyone.
Needless to say, if SOS had something else to say to you ANON Bully and he's already said quite a bit),then he would come out here and
say it, without hiding behind the umbrella of anonymity as you do.
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On 2005-07-06 06:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
"And you're on line just about the time the Serb ususally is...interesting."
That's funny, because I just checked the who's online section,and I don't see SOS anywhere!
Anyways, are you saying that you actually know what time SOS comes online? What do you just sit at your computer all day and wait for him to show up? Man,you really are sick! No wonder SOS isn't here anymore, who the hell wants to be stalked by a psychotic freak like you?
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Look, some of us have other things to do, so go ahead and play act as whoever you want.
You get the last word, be it "paranoid" "right hand" or whatever. One thing's sure: you'll likely choose it from a fairly limited vocabulary.
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Awe, looks like the Anon Bully got his feelings hurt, and now he needs to be alone so he can "take care of his feelings" ::mecry::
Poor baby.
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Wow, you mean Anon Bully is actually leaving while someone else has the last word? Either he's getting soft, or I must have really hit a nerve! I'm not sure why he keeps insisting that
I'm SOS...maybe it's easier for him to accept that he was chased out of here by SOS (again), instead of a no name anon "punk" like me.
Who knows what else this fool tells himself to preserve his pathetic and misguided ego??!!
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you guys are fags
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well if we are, it's only because cedu taught us to be that way.
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i would have to agree, in fact, cedu was probably the queerest place i've ever seen.
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Actually Guy has had sex with a few girls from cedu..He used to attenf the parent conferences..Hes a real dirt bag for sure!!
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Hey, Ottawa is my true love, my soulmate! The way she fucks with people, taunts, and antagonizes them is oh, soooo stimulating! It makes me feel hot just thinking about it! Her unfettered perfection, her ability to spend hours and hours and hours spewing offensive and superior posts while "hardly ever" visiting the posts is oh, so stimulating! I did a threesome with her and Russ Decker - oh, oh, oh!!! I gotta go now...
On 2005-06-25 18:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"hey, that is uncalled for. Don't be a shit. Ottowa 5 was a psycho, so don't even go there..."
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Theme of commercial for one of its sponsors (Overstock.com) was "It's all about the 'O'".
Do you think that Ottawa is involved in Brat Camp--- or is this just one of those coincidences??
Hmmm...
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Ottawa is my QUEEN. Ottawa takes it anywhere I want to put it and she LOVES it. Ohhhhhhh, Ottawa! Oh, you hot babe!
On 2005-07-13 19:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Theme of commercial for one of its sponsors (Overstock.com) was "It's all about the 'O'".
Do you think that Ottawa is involved in Brat Camp--- or is this just one of those coincidences??
Hmmm..."
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Because you're not fooling anyone with your play acting. You're vocabulary is limited just like you're lover Rod the son of shitty-slavia.
I don't know Ottawa myself, but from what I've heard from people who know her, she's a stand up person, with too much class to come here and respond to your druggie, delusional,paranoid
fantasies about her.
Cedu is the greatest place on earth. If only
you drug addicted bullying brats would
put down your bongs, and get you heads out of the paint thinner, you might realize that these
people were only saving your worthless lives.
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what's with the cedu druggie thing? most of the kids at bca couldn't tell you what a blunt was.
whoops.
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Oh, my GOD. Are you hostile or what?! You are coming across PRECISELY as Ottawa did! Man, you are too much!
No, I'm not Bryan. You'd be shocked if you knew who I was. And I've never taken a street drug in my life.
Chill out. Ottawa came her and antagonized everyone here. A lot of the kids in these posts hvae suffered under CEDU's "treatment." CEDU closing is liberating to them.
Ottawa had a way of sounding intellectual and smooth while really hammering people. She was inappropriate and cruel. You had to be there to understand. If you really want to see what it was like, real ALL the posts in the threads where she posted. And read all of her posts. Ironically, she kept claiming that she hardly ever spent time in these posts... and she posted volumes. She hurt people here. We can have our bit of fun with that weird bitch if we want to.
On 2005-07-20 06:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Because you're not fooling anyone with your play acting. You're vocabulary is limited just like you're lover Rod the son of shitty-slavia.
I don't know Ottawa myself, but from what I've heard from people who know her, she's a stand up person, with too much class to come here and respond to your druggie, delusional,paranoid
fantasies about her.
Cedu is the greatest place on earth. If only
you drug addicted bullying brats would
put down your bongs, and get you heads out of the paint thinner, you might realize that these
people were only saving your worthless lives.
"
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Stop insulting Ottawa! She is SO HOT! I love to get it on with her! Leave my Queen alone!!!
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What is this on again off again thing about Ottawa--it sounds like an inside joke that i'm not getting
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You were lucky to miss her. She was a CEDU mother who came to these boards under the pretense of wanting to learn - she claimed to be a graduate student in psychology. She baited and taunted people, took a superior air and attempted to appear intellectual. She was psychologically abusive in an insidious way - subtle in her approach, putting out veiled threats. Her air was sanctimonious, supercilious, and smug. Most people in these boards absolutely hated her - she spent hours and hours writing long missives, accusing members of conspiring with each other to respond to her, comparing writing styles... she really looked mentally ill to most of us. She appeared to have what is called a personality disorder. She disappeared and some people created "ottawa" user names to make funny posts.
In short, she was a flaming bitch. You're better off not having been here!
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She must have made some kind of impression for peopel to go to all this satire stuff about her
Her posts really don't look so off the wall to me. I mean I just looked at some but she just sounds like a program parent to me not the Great Satan like you sound like you think she is
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Ottawa's posts were fairly intelligent and also far less profane than many other posts. However, when we discussed the merits of CEDU, she coldly shrugged off or denied the many abuses that occurred there. Many of us took the time to illustrate events or methodology that were clearly unethical, deceptive, or abusive. We had specific events to back up our perspective. She never really addressed or accepted this, and for many of us, this was like telling a rape victim she was never raped.
In addition, when I sincerely asked what the specific benefits of the program were, she never responded. Each of provided very specific reasons why the CEDU program was either harmful or fraudulent on a systemic level, but she glossed over this and never supported her own view with substance other than to say it saved her kid.
Look, even I could address the aspects of CEDU that helped me--although NONE of it came from academics or the "therapeutic" aspects of the cult. (Mainly because I believe consistent prolonged verbal abuse, combined with coersion, isolation, and badgering to the extent that you are often forced to adopt a story that is partially or wholly untrue is NOT therapy. And this is the short list that does not include a horrific breach of therapeutic boundaries, experentials designed in a way to manipulate thought and promote program control, and a general lack of skill or qualifications from program leaders.)
Shortly, Ottawa grew haughty and condescending, and like I said, never seemed to care that many people were horrifically maladjusted at the conclusion of their program.
By the way, I know total pro CEDU supporters who swear CEDU saved their lives and gave them the tools to guide them, and are totally maladjusted in the real world today. Not only are they still doing the same shit they did prior to CEDU, but have difficulty with relational boundaries outside of the cult. In addition, CEDU created these highly contrived, intense scenarios to bond you to the group, only to make post-CEDU relationships with people seem false or lacking.
I also know people who graduate the program in the pro CEDU mindset, only to shake off the Kool Aid years later when they wake up realizing that CEDU programming doesn't translate outside of it's realm. And that all the black and white cult values don't work in the real world.
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Don't know why anyone would want to try to talk up a therapeutic school here what would be the point
Frankly though itsounds like ya'll at this site just drink a different kind of Koolaid that makes you completely certain that nothing good could ever come out of any program---personally I believe that either extreme is ridiculous but whatever that's just my opinion
I'm only here cuz I heard about the place and wanted to look for names of some people that I know who went to CEDU---anybody know Rob Cook (could be Cooke) or Jess Thurmond (up in Idaho in one of the schools there in the mid 90's I think)
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Anonymous, people who post here have reason to. I don't think anyone here is proposing that any of us are typical. We could not possibly say that.
We are, however, people who have been on the inside of CEDU. I was a therapist - not an employee of CEDU, but an outsider who rented office space there on ground and saw CEDU kids. I was horrified at what I saw - how they were treating the kids.
The worst of it is that they paraded parents around me saying that they worked "closely" with me. This was a sham - team leaders specifically told their floor staff to ignore my instructions. I know this because some of the floor staff told me - and because I could SEE that they were not following my direction!
I saw kids "diagnosed" by ignorant team leaders, and I saw team leaders earn fake bachelor's degrees from a non-accredited, distance college, California Coast College.
I left as soon as I could - and now, years later, I came into these boards for some reassurance that "my" kids were okay. I was hoping to find some of them - and I did find a couple.
When Ottawa came, she stated that she was trying to learn about these schools and how CEDU helped kids, stating that she was a psychology graduate student and planned to open her own place. She stated that her son had successfully been helped at RMA. Soon, unhappy people here began attacking her. There are many wounded persons on these boards.
She responded with an intellectual swagger and flatly refused - by ignoring - to answer many pointed questions presented to her. Worse, her adolescent daughter joined. I feel this is on Ottawa - she should never have gotted her daughter involved. People attacked the daughter, but she was a kid - said she was a "teen" and I felt that was inappropriate.
Ottawa showed some signs of paranoia - trying to figure out who was whom by analyzing writing styles. She accused some members of being in some kind of relationship with others that included an agreement to post in some particular way. This happened to me - it was untrue. She made veiled threats that caused me to remove many of my posts. Shame. However, we live in a litigious age, and she said that she knew attorneys and people at CEDU and had printed out all our posts, claiming she would be showing them to those persons.
As for people here who have been wounded, she stomped around on them with a kind of superior intellectualism that was subtle. It left some people confused - they did not recognize the subtle and insidious type of damage she was doing. Often, people who are psychologically wounded from a place like CEDU, they learn to question their own feelings and intuition. Ottawa activated these feelings of self-doubt in others. Her style was so much like some of the CEDU tactics I saw.
I actually heard at CEDU that the goal was to "tear down" a kid psychologically and then "rebuild" him. This analogy is absurd - and dangerous. We're not talking about houses here! To badger, humiliate, and shame a kid who has been having problems is inexcusable and harmful. Many of these former CEDU residents have depression and anxiety related to their experience - as well as intrusive thoughts and unpleasant dreams. But the most insidious problem is self-doubt, and this is where Ottawa did her worst. She played into it, compounding the psychological trauma while she was at it. It was subtle, and she sounded oh-so-reasonable. That's what's insidious about it. What she was actually doing was inflicting more psychological damage in these persons. This was all couched in her reasonable tone - very deceptive! She was compounding the pain here.
One thing she did was crow about working on her dissertation - and said that her advisor founs it perfectly normal - what she was posting here. I suggested that she take ALL of her posts - that she print them ALL out and present them to the advisor. She ignored this request. I asked more than once and was flatly ignored by her. She claimed that she hardly ever spent time in these discussion groups - that was truly bizarre. She spent HOURS in them!
My reason for asking that she show all of her posts to her advisor is that SHE brought him up. She said that he found her posts perfectly reasonable. I can tell you that the only way he would is if he is mentally ill - or has an inappropriate relationship with her. I am a dissertation advisor - I'm a faculty member at a major state school. If a student brought in to me the thousands of words she wrote about her views here, I would send that student for a psych eval. There clearly was something wrong with this woman - and she hurt people in these boards.
This is why so many hate her. She invited it, she was psychologically abusive to these people, and she taunted them.
I did post that she read like someone with a personality disorder. She jumped on that with claws and teeth, claiming that I had "diagnosed" her and crowing about ethics. However, I did not ever diagnose her. I stated that her posts read like those of someone with a personality disorder. I stand by that. For the interested, they read like someone with narcissistic personality disorder, and perhaps a dash of borderline. That's how they read. Others picked up on this and agreed.
If you want to understand why so many despise her, read all the posts that she was involved in. What I mean by this is that you want to read the ENTIRE board that she is posting in - not just her notes. You would have to really want to do this! It will take a LOT of time! But read the entire thread and see how she is responding to people and how they are responding to her. She clearly taunted them in her subtle, intellectual way. I only can hope that she was lying about being a graduate psychology student and that she will never be released into the world of helping people. She's too destructive and too off-balance. Worse, she appears incapable of understanding others' reactions to her - she completely lacks emotional intelligence.
I hope this helps clarify the Ottawa issue. I'm just glad she's gone.
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Former CEDU Therapist, are you Mary?
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If you have all this good information and don't work at the school anymore---why not come forward and say your name---and what you know.
I mean CEDU doesn't even exist anymore so it would be pretty paranoid of you to worry about what they would do to you now
Unless there is something else about your leaving/dismissal (?) that you haven't told about here yet?
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CEDU doesn't exist anymore? Call 877-348-0848. When they answer the phone and greet you, ask yourself if you still think CEDU doesn't exist. It sounds like they're in business to me, and it also sounds like BCA has opened its doors back up.
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Um, yea I just called that number and they are answering. What the hell is going on???!!!!
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Relax everyone! They have security type staff on board at all the schools while they go through bankruptcy. The announcement of who gets what school or all the schools will be August 14th. The top contender is Universal Health Services, so far.
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Dniceo, I just got done contacting the Struggling Teens staff and they said that BCA is indeed closed as are all the CEDU schools. She said that the reason why they are answering the phones is either to redirect people with inquires or for sale of the land..... :eek:
I can forward the emails onto you if you want....[ This Message was edited by: If u want to know..then ask on 2005-07-27 16:04 ]
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Nope.
On 2005-07-27 08:19:00, If u want to know..then ask wrote:
"Former CEDU Therapist, are you Mary?"
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Linda?
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[ This Message was edited by: rmagirl on 2005-08-26 09:39 ]
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To play these identity games about who you are
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On 2005-07-27 20:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"To play these identity games about who you are"
I don't see you sharing your identiity here-- ANON! Stop being such a hypocite. Seriously, Talk about people living in glass houses--is your name GameBoy by any chance? Hmm???
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Game boy!!! It's been YEARS since I heard someone get called that. We used to call people that ALL the time in BCA! Anyway, I was the one who started the identity game anyway. Yell at me!
Ok, so we guessed Linda and Mark. Are either of those right?
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About the identity thing:
Look for whatever his reasons are, FCT obviously doesn't want his name posted all over the internet...is it really necessary to drag this out an expose him? I don't think it is.
Everyone has a right to their anonymity.
Just because some people choose to identify themselves publicly, deosn't mean that the rest of us don't have the right to refrain from doing so. FCT's not hurting anyone,so let's let him be...Okay?
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Some people's whole purpose on here is to reconnect with others that either helped them through (i.e. staff, therapists, etc.) or friends. No one is saying it is NECESSARY for the Former CEDU Therapist to expose themselves, but why should you come on here and try to tell us not to have fun with this? This forum should not be all about bitching, whining, and groping about a school(s) that are all shut down now. Now is the time to start the healing, (for those of you who are still having a hard time with readjusting, I do empathize).
I know that the therapists that I was forced into seeing became more of friends to me than an actual therapist and for that reasoning, if I see an opportunity to reconnect with some of them, then I will take that opportunity. Sorry if that bothers you, but that is how it is.
I hope that you do not take this reponse as insulting, or bullying, or condesending...(trying to think of some other descriptions that I have seen people get nailed with just for sharing their thoughts).
As you can obviously tell, I am not the only person who was engaged in playing the "name game" so obviously people are intrigued with knowing who this person is.
By the way, No one is asking them to reveal everything about themselves. I have responded to many a responses of who I am via private messages. If you know how to register to this forum, then you know of the tool you have with private messages.
::nod:: ::nod:: ::nod:: ::nod:: ::nod:: ::nod:: ::nod:: ::nod:: ::nod:: ::nod:: [ This Message was edited by: If u want to know..then ask on 2005-07-28 08:36 ]
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But you can call me Game Boy if you want to--my reason for not giving a name is that fucking antiprogram lunatics read this board and I'm not interested in being tracked down by one of them
No question they're dangerous lunatics, read their posts
Former CEDU Therapist is a party line man here I mean he has nothing to fear from the lunatics--- hell he's just a cerebral version of what they are
So what his or her reason for not giving a name now that there's no CEDU---he used to say he couldn't cuz he was afraid of CEDU remember?
So I think there must be some other reason---like the real story behind his leaving CEDU I'm betting----which somebody might post here if his real name came out
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By the way, there are even crazier pro-program lunatics who troll these sites, which is why people like FCT and myself don't give out our names.
You pro-cedu synanon freaks have a history of making death threats and stuffing live rattle snakes into the mail boxes of your critics...and you honestly expect people to believe that you are afaid of us??!!
Get a grip...GAMEBOY.
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You guys (or girls for that matter) can NOT be SERIOUS! Both of you need to get a grip and RELAX! THIS IS ONLY A FORUM FOLKS! :cool:
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You're probably too old for a program now, bro---but I bet psychotherapy can help you
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On 2005-07-28 17:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You're probably too old for a program now, bro---but I bet psychotherapy can help you"
Well like it or not, my statement about the rattlesnakes is based on fact and it really
DID happen!
You really should check your facts before
you declare who needs psychotherapy.
Do you have any more exciting revelations for
us GameBoy? --- Or are you mearly a one-liner?
Think hard about this, don't answer right away..."What does the Program want you to say?"
I'm sure cedu gave you some sort of "tool" to deal with situations like this...or wait a minute, I'm sorry, I mispoke...Cedu didn't give you any tools, they made you a TOOL.
Let's wait and see what this TOOL has to say next..
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I started a new topic - didn't mean to. I was responding to queries about my identity. I still feel it is unwise to reveal it. I was there a short time and was asked to leave. They accused me of telling parents to pull their kids. They ignored my instruction regarding how to treat the kids. They used me to look good to parents.
I really tried to be helpful to the kids I saw. I hope I was. I saw that the synanon/CEDU treatment was, in many ways, the opposite of what I knew to be therapeutic. I was concerned that the kids were being damaged - still am.
There is no reason for anyone here to be unhappy with me. I came here hoping to learn if my kids were okay and have found a couple of them. When I was asked (well... actually I was TOLD) to leave, I was actively looking for a job. I had a family and needed to work.
I never was unkind to one kid at CEDU. I frequently told staff to do things differently. I did a couple of trainings of staff - to no avail. I got feedback from staff who were friendly with me that the team leaders specifically told them to ignore the instruction of therapists. I was lied about and lied to.
When I suddenly disappeared, parents were upset and called me. Several kids were pulled. I'm sure CEDU blamed me for that. But they only had themselves to blame.
I was kind to my kids. I was encouraging and positive. I cared about them and about what happened to them. I pissed CEDU off by giving the kids cocoa with marshmallows while they saw me. That was MY time with them and I'd give them cocoa if I wanted to! The parents were happy with this. I thought it was absurd that cocoa was such a big deal.
Anyone who thinks they know me can always send me a private message. I have never seen anyone here correctly guess my identity. If you do in these public boards, I won't acknowledge it. I don't feel legally save from CEDU because I've posted truth here. Is that stupic? Probably. But this is the legacy of CEDU - fear and intimidation. You can call me a coward and say I have no balls. Okay. That may be. But I'm in these posts to be supportive - and my selfish reason - I want to know if my kids are okay. It's been about a decade and I wasn't even there a year... but it still weighs on me. It was the weirdest job I ever had. And the sickest place I've ever worked at. I don't think this will ever leave me.
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So CEDU just up and fired you for basically doing what you were credited to do? And they got mad over the cocoa thing? I actually can see someone reaming someone out in a rap over serving children at these schools cocoa. I remember when I was only at CEDU a month, and my mom tried to get into the workshop for parents so that she could visit me. They REFUSED to let her join (claiming I had not been there long enough. For a family of three, 1 week is long enough) until she got a hold of Rob Spears (who back in this time, was actually somebody in CEDU). Because and ONLY because Rob Spears knew that my mom mortgaged her house twice by this time (remember I was there a MONTH!), he pulled some strings and let her join the workshop. Funny thing is, that on your second visit you were allowed to have a picnic; they told her that I didn't have my "sugar" priviledge and even the fruit that she brought had sugar in it! They were just so pissed off that a student was going there that they couldn't control (I was on bans my 2nd day and refused to follow them. C'mon, on the SECOND day?), and now here is her parent that they can't control. It was amazing for me to watch these people treat a struggling single mother of two this way. A lot of the staff acted like Bonner Ferry Divas (if there could ever be such a thing in a town were people go to escape the government crimes they have committed).
Ps. We had the damn picnic anyway. Right in front of Quixote lodge. Don't let The Man get you down!
:lol:
I am so sorry that they fired you that way! But, at least you are better for it. Understandable, you have bad memories of that place, but at least you didn't fall for the type of counseling that THEY felt was necessary. I know, our group sessions usually turned into watching a movie or getting out of raps. Not due to the therapist, mostly because of CEDU!
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Thank you for your kind note! I do appreciate it! Yeah, I'm kinda proud the fired my ass! Well, I can't say CEDU fired me because I was not their employee - but they kicked me out! I wasn't even allowed to say "goodby" to my kids! No kidding - when I got there, someone met me in the parking lot and told me to leave. I was allowed to get my stuff but I couldn't talk to any kids. So parents started calling me and asking what the hell was going on. They were pissed that I disappeared. It was a stupid move on CEDU's part, because the parents knew this was unethical.
Then I came here and I saw Ottawa taunting people in her smug, superior, intellectual way. It was infuriating. She had such a way of really taunting people and refusing to answer pointed questions. BUT she was most willing to make accusations and veiled threats. It was almost like a CEDU team leader was here posting. Just bizarre...
I think I would like your mom! And that bit about fruit is so absurd. Just ignorance. Typical CEDU.
Again, thanks. I appreciate your kindness.
On 2005-07-29 09:09:00, If u want to know..then ask wrote:
"So CEDU just up and fired you for basically doing what you were credited to do? And they got mad over the cocoa thing? I actually can see someone reaming someone out in a rap over serving children at these schools cocoa. I remember when I was only at CEDU a month, and my mom tried to get into the workshop for parents so that she could visit me. They REFUSED to let her join (claiming I had not been there long enough. For a family of three, 1 week is long enough) until she got a hold of Rob Spears (who back in this time, was actually somebody in CEDU). Because and ONLY because Rob Spears knew that my mom mortgaged her house twice by this time (remember I was there a MONTH!), he pulled some strings and let her join the workshop. Funny thing is, that on your second visit you were allowed to have a picnic; they told her that I didn't have my "sugar" priviledge and even the fruit that she brought had sugar in it! They were just so pissed off that a student was going there that they couldn't control (I was on bans my 2nd day and refused to follow them. C'mon, on the SECOND day?), and now here is her parent that they can't control. It was amazing for me to watch these people treat a struggling single mother of two this way. A lot of the staff acted like Bonner Ferry Divas (if there could ever be such a thing in a town were people go to escape the government crimes they have committed).
Ps. We had the damn picnic anyway. Right in front of Quixote lodge. Don't let The Man get you down!
:lol:
I am so sorry that they fired you that way! But, at least you are better for it. Understandable, you have bad memories of that place, but at least you didn't fall for the type of counseling that THEY felt was necessary. I know, our group sessions usually turned into watching a movie or getting out of raps. Not due to the therapist, mostly because of CEDU! "
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This is a sad story, FCT.
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To the Therapist person,
So, its been ten years since you were fired and you are still carrying a grudge, still feeling guilty because kids you knew for the less than a year didn't get the help only you could provide?
I dunno it seems like you need a therapist to get over it!
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You cannot know the impact of CEDU on people working there. There is no need to be hostile to this person.
On 2005-07-31 17:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"To the Therapist person,
So, its been ten years since you were fired and you are still carrying a grudge, still feeling guilty because kids you knew for the less than a year didn't get the help only you could provide?
I dunno it seems like you need a therapist to get over it!"
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Seriously now, imagine dedicating your life to sincerely helping kids and having to work for a place like that.
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I'm starting up a new school. The kids will all dig gigantic holes in the ground, looking for coal. They get to wear cool hats. When they move up the levels, they get to have lights on their hats. At the highest level, they can have shovels and picks to dig with rather than their bare hands. It will teach them respect.
I can't wait to get started!!!
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WOW! :eek:
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MARTIN, I TOLD YOU THEY MUST WORK IN SEWAGE!!! Coal mining is WAY too good for them! You MUST OBEY ME!!! Bow down and OBEY!!! They must swim in sewage - coal mining is NOT SUFFICIENT TO TEACH THEM!!! You must OBEY!!
Ottawa, my darling Ottawa... where are you??? We must discipline Martin!! Ottawa, come hither my darling and help me TEACH HIM!!!
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Holy sh...Mel speaking from the grave! It's true! It's true! CEDU lives!
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I know who you are!! I WILL make you suffer!! We serve the MIGHTY MEL!! We serve the MIGHTY OTTAWA!! I WILL have a foursome with Mel, Oytawa, and Brandiiiiiiii! I WILL! Martin can watch. Martin will take movies. Martin will pour oil over us all!
Jack, you will be made to SUFFER!!!
On 2005-07-31 19:30:00, Jack1963 wrote:
"You cannot know the impact of CEDU on people working there. There is no need to be hostile to this person.
On 2005-07-31 17:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"To the Therapist person,
So, its been ten years since you were fired and you are still carrying a grudge, still feeling guilty because kids you knew for the less than a year didn't get the help only you could provide?
I dunno it seems like you need a therapist to get over it!"
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JACK, HOW DARE YOU SHOW YOUR FACE AROUND
HERE!!!WE SERVE MEL! WE SERVE CEDU! WE WILL
FIND YOU TRAITOR, AND YOU WILL PAY!
I WILL PERSONALLY TIE YOU DOWN IN THE WOOD
SHED, AND BUTT-FUCK YOU REPEATEDLY UNTIL YOU REPENT AND BEG HIS HOLYNESS MELLAH FOR FORGIVENSS!!! AND THEN I WILL BUTT-FUCK YOU
SOME MORE UNTIL I THINK YOU'VE SUFFERED ENOUGH, WHICH WON'T BE FOR A VERY LONG, LONG TIME!!!
OH HOW YOU WILL PAY!!!!
IN MELLAH'S NAME WE WILL VISIT UNTOLD HORRORS
ON ALL OF THE APOSTATES, INFIDELS, AND UNBELIEVERS. IN THE HIS HOLY NAME OUR LOYAL FOOT SOLDIERS THE CEDUHAJIN WILL SMITE YOU ALL!
DEATH TO THE INFIDELS!!!
PRAISE CEDU!!!
PRAISE TO MELLAH!!!
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OOOOHHHHH, can I help? Jack is HOT!!!!
On 2005-08-01 12:50:00, Guy Bonanno wrote:
"JACK, HOW DARE YOU SHOW YOUR FACE AROUND
HERE!!!WE SERVE MEL! WE SERVE CEDU! WE WILL
FIND YOU TRAITOR, AND YOU WILL PAY!
I WILL PERSONALLY TIE YOU DOWN IN THE WOOD
SHED, AND BUTT-FUCK YOU REPEATEDLY UNTIL YOU REPENT AND BEG HIS HOLYNESS MELLAH FOR FORGIVENSS!!! AND THEN I WILL BUTT-FUCK YOU
SOME MORE UNTIL I THINK YOU'VE SUFFERED ENOUGH, WHICH WON'T BE FOR A VERY LONG, LONG TIME!!!
OH HOW YOU WILL PAY!!!!
IN MELLAH'S NAME WE WILL VISIT UNTOLD HORRORS
ON ALL OF THE APOSTATES, INFIDELS, AND UNBELIEVERS. IN THE HIS HOLY NAME OUR LOYAL FOOT SOLDIERS THE CEDUHAJIN WILL SMITE YOU ALL!
DEATH TO THE INFIDELS!!!
PRAISE CEDU!!!
PRAISE TO MELLAH!!!"
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OF COURSE YOU CAN HELP MY BLESSED CEDUHAJADIN BROTHER...AND THEN MAYBE WHEN WE'RE THROUGH WITH JACK, I CAN TAKE ANOTHER POKE AT YOUR ASS?!!
IT'S BEEN FAR TOO LONG MARTIN, AND I'VE ALMOST FORGOTTEN WHAT A GREAT LAY YOU ARE! I KNOW THAT GIVEN THE RIGHT SETTINGS AND MOOD MUSIC, YOU AND I COULD REKINDLE THOSE OLD FIRES AGAIN! IT'LL BE JUST LIKE THE GOOD OLD DAYS. ::nod::
WHATTA YOU SAY, HOW ABOUT IT MARTIN?
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Oooh, ooooohhh YES, YES, YES!!!!! I'll get the candles and the video camera!!
On 2005-08-01 13:02:00, Guy Bonanno wrote:
"OF COURSE YOU CAN HELP MY BLESSED CEDUHAJADIN BROTHER...AND THEN MAYBE WHEN WE'RE THROUGH WITH JACK, I CAN TAKE ANOTHER POKE AT YOUR ASS?!!
IT'S BEEN FAR TOO LONG MARTIN, AND I'VE ALMOST FORGOTTEN WHAT A GREAT LAY YOU ARE! I KNOW THAT GIVEN THE RIGHT SETTINGS AND MOOD MUSIC, YOU AND I COULD REKINDLE THOSE OLD FIRES AGAIN! IT'LL BE JUST LIKE THE GOOD OLD DAYS. ::nod::
WHATTA YOU SAY, HOW ABOUT IT MARTIN?"
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What about ME, Guy??? You said I was your "One and Only." I was! ME, ME, ME!!!!
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You're MINE, Baby!
On 2005-08-01 13:13:00, Bill Valentine wrote:
"What about ME, Guy??? You said I was your "One and Only." I was! ME, ME, ME!!!!"
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On 2005-08-01 13:13:00, Bill Valentine wrote:
"What about ME, Guy??? You said I was your "One and Only." I was! ME, ME, ME!!!!"
IF YOU ARE FAITHFUL AND TRUE TO MELLAH, THEN HE SHALL PROVIDE ENOUGH BONANNO DICK FOR EVERYONE!
PRAISE CEDU! MAY THE DIVINE BLESSINGS OF MELLAH RAIN GOLDEN SHOWERS UPON OUR FACES!
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But what about ME??? Aren't I the queen of your dreams??
On 2005-08-01 14:22:00, Guy Bonanno wrote:
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On 2005-08-01 13:13:00, Bill Valentine wrote:
"What about ME, Guy??? You said I was your "One and Only." I was! ME, ME, ME!!!!"
IF YOU ARE FAITHFUL AND TRUE TO MELLAH, THEN HE SHALL PROVIDE ENOUGH BONANNO DICK FOR EVERYONE!
PRAISE CEDU! MAY THE DIVINE BLESSINGS OF MELLAH RAIN GOLDEN SHOWERS UPON OUR FACES!"
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All of you obviously embrace the Summit. Good for you! You will all enjoy the feast of life.
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The SUMMIT is the ULTIMATE!!! I have romantic memories of Guy from the summit...
On 2005-08-01 16:08:00, TheSummitGives wrote:
"All of you obviously embrace the Summit. Good for you! You will all enjoy the feast of life. "
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You are not Russ Decker. Russ was an illterate animal. Russ couldn't spell...don't lead me on...I get too excited!
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u r ryte. otiwa hulpd me. prayze otiwa.
On 2005-08-01 22:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You are not Russ Decker. Russ was an illterate animal. Russ couldn't spell...don't lead me on...I get too excited!"
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well, it's very funny that many of the most popular posts are angry rants!