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I agree with you Greg!!!!
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I just wrote a whole bunch of stuff and lost it....... I'll try again.

When I was at the Seed my 1st two weeks John Underwood and Libby were staff members and there was a couple others but I don't remember them.
There was alot of talk about methadone clinic's and how much better the seed was because it was cold turkey.  We weren't able to take medications unless it was approved by Art and Co.  I was under the impression John was from a methadone clinic but if he went thru the seed programme it was never said during the time i was there.  The same for Libby.  

Art would come out in the mornings before lunch and talk alot about himself and where the seed came from..   how they outgrew a house in Miami and came to Ft. Lauderdale to that present house
and Libby Libby Libby....  I pretty much tuned that crap out cause I never thought she was anything special.  

Art had some kind of scam going with High School counselors at that time.  Pompano Beach High counselor a woman I forget her name but she was really a nice person, just alittle misguided. She was getting kids in the Seed left and right.  The buzz word at that time was Attitude Adjustment.

There was a Pink Toilet.  It was heavy and a couple of guys would carry it out from where it was stored.  They would force you to sit on it.  Sometimes things would get violent during this.

I'm tired of thinking.    Good by....

That's what I'm saying Greg.  There was no Master Plan.  I don't know what the synanon  belief has to do with anything Art implemented except maybe he took parts of it he learned somewhere and used it in the Seed programme.  As he took parts from AA, and then one day he used the pink toilet and bam it was an intense impact. Then from what I understand later-on they used the toilet seat around the neck because maybe sitting a young person on a pink toilet with their pants down around their ankles was looked  at as inappropriate. Like Ten till Ten, that was   important to the Attitude Adjustments that needed to occur.  Sitting on the wooden benches.  Some of those things were still implemented till the end because they weren't inappropriate.   :grin:

In 70 when I was there I don't remember the practice of being taken to the bathroom.  I don't believe that was practiced at that time.  Although you were watched.  We had Jiffy Johns lined up back behind the house.     :em:

I'm 48 yrs old and that's what I remember.  I do believe his name was Jim that sounds right.  Sorry if the story went together but that's how it happened.  

First the young man with the long hair was being reamed then Art comes out with the news of the suicide, shortly there after here comes the hot seat and they cut this young mans hair after pulling down his pants and making him sit on the hot seat.  It all happened together.   I have to say the time that I spent there that day was the worst.  I never told my parents. I don't think my sister did either.  In fact we have never spoken of it together that I can remember.  I guess we tried to block it out. :skull:

woops, I forgot to login....
Back to John Underwood, did I describe him right, is that the guy I remember?  You guys didn't have the hot seat?

I remember John Underwood,  didn't he have sandy short short hair with pock mark face?  I do have to say I always have wondered about him.  Out of all those senior staff he was one I have wondered about.  Not sure why.  He was kinda quiet wasn't he?  Did you guys have the pink toilet hot seat?
It was PORTABLE  ha ha...  I really shouldn't laugh it scared the hell out of me. It's been oh 34yrs I guess so be patient with me, since finding this site alot has come back to me and I know I'll remember more.