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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: Anonymous on April 25, 2006, 05:42:00 PM
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From: Rachel Correll [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 1:14 PM
Subject: HLA Letter
Quirk & Quirk, LLC
Attorneys At Law
325 Century Springs West
6000 Lake Forrest Drive, NW
Atlanta, Georgia 30328
Telephone Number (404) 237-5595
Joseph P. Farrell Facsimile Number
E-Mail Address: http://www.hlaboards.com (http://www.hlaboards.com) and http://www.discusshla.com (http://www.discusshla.com). These websites are designed to present an honest view of HLA. They are designed for parents, students and alumni to communicate in an honest and genuine way. I hope you find these resources helpful.
Charles W Cates, PhD
Headmaster
Hidden Lake Academy
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Yes, shall we do this...?
"Finally, while HLA believes strongly that the record should be ?set straight? and that those who lie about the School should be held liable, HLA is sensitive to the perception by some that by taking legal action that HLA is somehow trying to hide the truth."
Is it not true that "Quirk and Quirk" have sent
"out "Cease And Desist" Orders signed by Judge
Stone is the middle of the night, and given to the targeted parties by the next morning..?Let's see..Marla McGhee(former LD teacher), George----(a 16 year old boy in Texas, former student),
Clarke Poole ( Director of Admissions, former)
and I am sure Ginger can further add to the list.
At the bottom of your letter:
"HLA believes its money is spent more wisely in other ways such as teaching and counseling its students rather than litigating these types of lawsuits." Counseling, counsel? But, HLA is not licensed by the ORS to counsel..there are no licensed counselors with Chris Allen gone...Remember, it isn't a TBS school...counselor..Money spent more wisely for teaching? Theatre Teacher teaching English,teachers cross utilized outside their degreed fields...not certified as advertised..
Lab...gee, where is it? Yes, let us set the record straight...Cover-up? What is there to
gain here? I don't think anyone on this site has covered up rapes,attempted suicides, hazings,
probationary children, work detail,pedophiles,
acceptance of violent children, etc, etc..How can you live with yourself and pontificate...
And when is Charles Cates going to get some backbone and tell Leonard Buccellato he is done!
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I honestly think HLA should hire a P.R. firm..
Buccellato is authorizing and paying for(maybe)
this to be 'put' out there...I hate to break it to you HLA, but this is an embarassment to the
parents of the children in your care...These are not the "yes' men that you have working for you..
The parents are educated(not in your industry),
professional people..The parents are doctors,
lawyers and "self-made" people.....You reallly think some stunt like this is going to silence their curiousity...? With the number of attorneys as parents, why on earth would you have
Joe Farrell send that stupid letter out..?You are not teaching the parents about their first
amendment rights...they already know them...
It is you that have forgotten them...
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Didn't I see somewhere that Judge Stone is retiring? Wonder if that has anything to do with the halt to their tactics?
Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundation, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America.
James Madison
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It is said he has nothing to do with it..It is also said they are close friends...The new judge
that is slated to take his place is reported as,
"a woman, and also very close friends...[ This Message was edited by: juniper2 on 2006-04-25 19:06 ]
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HEy whoever started this topic, your full of crap.
How does it take EXTRA MONEY to sit in a room with kids and do therapy. Also, the education there was WAY, WAY below an AP level. I know a lot of the students arent that high of education, but theres a few who are, and I felt like i wasn't challenged at all, intellectually, by students or teachers. However, I don't want to discredit many of the staff that have a passion for their job and teaching.
But this is total crap, HLA chooses not to do this, because it knows many of these things are true. And no, HLA forums are not the place to report this:
you think if ur complaining about OJ murdering his wife, ur gonna complain on an OJ.com forum? are u kidding me?
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THe topic is that HLA is Full of it...Are you misconstruing the topic? Sorry, I am confused..
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The topic is in "Agreement " with what you are saying....??
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Are you talking about their published letters to parents?
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And why did whatshisname, overllord get booted, he was just a dumb ass kid overstepping his bounds and wanting to play war. Come on...
We're "they" afraid "he" would actually set the record straight?????
Where's the credibility, oh yea, noone has any!!!
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First they send their "cease and desist" orders,
then they say they will not pursue any litigation because it adds credibility to what
the party is saying...which is it counselors, you are making yourselves out to be imbiciles..
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I would direct your attention to several other web sites- http://www.hlaboards.com (http://www.hlaboards.com) and http://www.discusshla.com (http://www.discusshla.com). These websites are designed to present an honest view of HLA. They are designed for parents, students and alumni to communicate in an honest and genuine way. I hope you find these resources helpful.
Charles W Cates, PhD
Headmaster
Hidden Lake Academy
Oh ya they are real helpful to advocate with...1 site is under construction and the other averages 2 posts a day. Guess even they admit not many good things can be said about their program. He's probably wondering how the captain of the Titanic felt. :lol: Our nada who art in nada, nada be thy name. Thy kingdom nada, thy will be nada as it is in nada. Give us this nada our daily nada and nada us our nada as we nada our nadas and nada us into nada but deliver us from nada; pues nada. Hail nothing full of nothing, nothing is with thee.
--Ernest Hemingway, American author
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Funny!
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That is probably because they fired their "Network Administrator at the school...Jeanine King...
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On 2006-04-25 19:09:00, juniper2 wrote:
"The topic is in "Agreement " with what you are saying....??"
I'm guessing ap47 was under the impression that Farrel, Cates, or staff posted those emails.
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how could he be? there were comments..
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"These websites are designed to present an honest view of HLA. They are designed for parents, students and alumni to communicate in an honest and genuine way."
the forum presents an honest view, just not the view intended.
how much "honest" and "genuine" communication occurs on a monitored and censored forum? if hla is so enthusiatic to get old students/staff connected, why so many restrictions? why only at their controlled venue? and if it is such a high priority, why not allow kids to leave with contact info?
is there anyone who doesn't see this for what it is?
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On 2006-04-25 20:08:00, juniper2 wrote:
"how could he be? there were comments.."
Not in the first one, which he referenced- the one who started this thread....
I don't mean to speak for him/her, just my guess.
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What I have recently found interesting in speaking with several state licensed TBS schools, is
that the ones I spoke with, do not require a non-refundable deposit and "all inclusive" means just
that... The contract does not hold the schools
harmless in case of a litigaion...and, the out-going mail to parents, parents letters to the children are not opened..The schools were not concerned with outgoing mail, just the in-coming from friends .The telephone calls are not monitered..Now what does that tell one about HLA
and the like? They do not want anything getting out..(they) Buccellato wants complete control not only over his staff, but the children...and, parents...
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"Rat are scurrying" sends the message...
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yeah sorry people lol i read the begginning too briefly. Anyhow- lol they fired jenine king cuz she gave one student a computer game program.... and then a student told on her in fallout.
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thought it was over clarkes e-mails..? that's interesting...could have been an excuse...the truth seems to lay between the lines over there..
If they did that over a computer game, then why don't they fire the catering staff, night staff,
constructionworkers for giving the kids cigarettes, etc.?
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Well now, for Q & Q to have to go to this much trouble, I do believe that the attention of the "authorties" cannot be far behind.
For that I would be eternally grateful.
For those of the parents reading this, an answer is always better than the unknown. I have been there. Making a "decision" to trust an institution, when your home is laced and destroyed by mayhem and violence, has to be one of the hardest decisions of your life and no one is, on one side or the other, pushing you to decide this way or that.
Unfortuantely, HLA is NOT an option as a "holding" place. The full "committment" is a "hard" option, that is strictly enforced, no matter what they tell you.
As you research all the options, choose a truly flexible institution that after a month or two of researching your options, you can then transfer your student.
If you read my post below, I obviously DO NOT advise you to, in any way, have anything to do with this facility, but talk to the "graduated students", who have a decent, respectful, relationship with their family, are going to school, have a job and have at least somewhat, resolved the issues with their parents, that caused them to be sent away in the first place.
Rather than trust those people who are jaded by the pile of money stcked in front of them, that is leaving your pocket and going into theirs, listen to the students, who are "adults" now and responsible for their lives and actually, some of them are parents in their own right now, and give them a chance to talk to you, "heart-to-heart".
Good luck and God Bless you All. My post if to inform and help, not as a means to disparage.
There is an association of educational consultants that represent both educational consultants for youth going off to college, private school, or "alternative" schools. You can find it at http://www.iecaonline.com (http://www.iecaonline.com).
Most hospitals, judicial organizations, insurance companies, both public and private schools, all providers for the care of our youth, make use of this association.
The correct question is, which government agency is responsible for "policeing" this organization or imposing "ethical standards" as to who can use the title of ed con and or, also belong to this organization.
As a parent of 14 yr. old, back in 2001, who I sent to first wilderness, then therapuetic boarding school in Utah, and then had the misfortune of allowing the ed con to trick me into placing at HLA, "while we got through the court process to resolve custody issues", I KNOW there is little or NO regulation of this industry.
Those of you "former" students/parents who are most angry, and determined to make this industry change, my suggestion is that you put your energy into going to schools/institutions, where these kids are all "feeding" from and make it a point to talk to those kids and their parents/caregivers, at their schools/hosptitals/institutions, who are heading this direction and really help them understand what their "choice of behaviors" are setting them up for in life.
Even better, make your government leaders "listen" to you about "concerns", for the impact these institutions are having on, some of our most vulnerable population.
If the kids think they are doing a "power trip" because of how "unfair" their life is, etc., let them know how the "HLA/corrupt power-tripping, out-of-control institutions", relative to "unfair" is going to affect their life long-term.
HLA not only bullied my child, they used their legal/psychiatric/counseling/academic/medical/placement staff, in conjunction with the first ed con (who was then fired) to totally strip me, the mother, of any power to be able to advocate on behalf of my daughter.
They empowered a totally uncaring,unparticipative rich father(you are so surprised the cozied up to the money), whose only desire was to hurt me, to use the Guardian Ad Litem in conjunction with the (second, also unprincipled) ed con, to cut me off from participating with my child's life for a year and a half and discredit me to the Court as to my activities as a parent.
In spite of all the money, manipulation, conspiring particiapted in by all the HLA/legal/ed con staff, fortunately, for both of us, my daughter and I, we were able to just "hang-in" until the whole litigation mess was over with her dad and then get away from HLA to go on to share a decent life/relationship with the rest of our family.
Buccalato intentionally "split" the parents and inflamed our whole family conflict, for the sole purpose of ensuring, as absolutely as much cash, out of this family's already tragic difficulties as he possibly could steal.
Rather than providing one iota of resolution to any of the family's "issues", ALL parties left the experience with that institution, with not only the command to HLA to never again contact any member of the family ever, for ANY reason, all parties would gladly give voice to litigation to expose the greedy, negligent practices of this institution.
My hope is that some of you that have endured at the hands of these institutions will actually, maturely go to your Congressman, Senator, Govenor, or write the President to get them to do an investigation into the industry as a whole.
There are some very good treatment places and some incredibly dedicated people to the young people who do need a "reality check".
There are some still very disturbed young people just "ragging on" otherwise credible institutions here. It's not neccessarily to those of us who were hurt, to be the ones to distinguish bad institions from the good ones, but that would be the point of "regulation" in the country in this industry.
For better or for worse, it is an industry we need, but for God's sake, someone needs to mind the fox who is guarding the chickens.
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Parent who survived 3 years of child's treatment :smile:
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I was told by the AG office last week that the
AG cannot help with Regulations in the State of Georgia..They represent offices like ORS..I was told one has to go to the Governor...and, there has been no reply from the Governors office.Iwas also told 'off the record 'when i mentioned "but he is a "new Republican" not old, "to Go to the
Media" ...
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Please PM me ASAP..
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Appparently there may be an "e-mail dumping"
of parents e-mail to counselors going on...
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On 2006-04-25 20:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
What I have recently found interesting in speaking with several state licensed TBS schools, is
that the ones I spoke with, do not require a non-refundable deposit and "all inclusive" means just
that... The contract does not hold the schools
harmless in case of a litigaion...and, the out-going mail to parents, parents letters to the children are not opened..The schools were not concerned with outgoing mail, just the in-coming from friends .The telephone calls are not monitered..
Can you name those, please? Not to be taken as "therefore, they're good and safe and harmless" or anything. Just a statement of fact for future reference.
Any Irishman who doubts the reality of selective enforcement ought to take just a moment to comtemplate the etymology of the term "paddy waggon".
--Antigen
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On 2006-04-29 07:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Appparently there may be an "e-mail dumping"
of parents e-mail to counselors going on..."
What do you mean?
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what is wonderful for some of us parents is, we kept all our emails back and forth, so doesn't matter what they dump..........
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I was told that e-mails are not always read by the counselors and periodically "dumped"..So, it is good to keep records should you need them...
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It has been confirmed that Tracey Kimbrell, the school nurse LPN was fired last Friday..Maybe
parents should look into who is going to be distributing the 'correct' psychotropic drugs to your children...
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Im sure the cafeteria lady is more than qualified.
I wonder what the nurse was fired for? Maybe taking kids at their words when they claim to be ill.
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On 2006-05-01 11:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
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It has been confirmed that Tracey Kimbrell, the school nurse LPN was fired last Friday..Maybe
parents should look into who is going to be distributing the 'correct' psychotropic drugs to your children..."
D.J. is that you? :wave:
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No, not DJ....
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who is giving meds under whose supervison?
another sincere reaction from Lenny?
how dare that damn nurse QUESTION his ultimate authority via email :flame:
who does she think she is? David Refenberg, has to walk down to her to fire her, she was too busy :grin:
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On 2006-05-01 12:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-01 11:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
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It has been confirmed that Tracey Kimbrell, the school nurse LPN was fired last Friday..Maybe
parents should look into who is going to be distributing the 'correct' psychotropic drugs to your children..."
D.J. is that you? :wave: "
No, but I'm glad to know that this facility is so negligent that they now operate without even a nurse on the premises.
Parents should be asking questions about their children's medical care.
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Lets keep this topic at the forefront shall we?
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Why keep it at the forefront? Nothing is happening- the school is running along- none of the prophecies of doom and school closing have come true....
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Cause it is far from over kids!
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Oh please stay tuned.
Since youre obviously a puppet please take some time to address some of the larger issues.
In fact why not address the one off hand right here:
Why are unqualified untrained staff dispensing medications?
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On 2006-05-23 19:52:00, RobertBruce wrote:
"Oh please stay tuned.
Since youre obviously a puppet please take some time to address some of the larger issues.
In fact why not address the one off hand right here:
Why are unqualified untrained staff dispensing medications?"
Don't hold your breath. Just our 'random' troll, taking a "walk' through the hla forum.
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On 2006-05-23 18:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Why keep it at the forefront? Nothing is happening- the school is running along- none of the prophecies of doom and school closing have come true...."
Karen, you claim to be a lawyer, right? Surely you're aware that legal action takes time, aren't you? You just hang in there a bit longer. You'll eat every word of what you've said in due time.
By the way, what happened to signing your posts? I've seen you sign them as me, Julie, and Random Walk. Do you only sign "Karen" when you're not acting the fool?
Your credibility is about nil. You dissemble so frequently that nothing you say can be believed (like when you say you're "working" but you actually spend your entire day trolling - it just doesn't add up).
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??????? Say WHAT?
:silly:
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Well, D.J...YOU have often said that I was KAREN- when I posted from my home. Oh, and No this isn't Karen...I am sure you will check me out and find out where I am posting from.
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On 2006-05-24 04:13:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
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On 2006-05-23 18:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Why keep it at the forefront? Nothing is happening- the school is running along- none of the prophecies of doom and school closing have come true...."
Karen, you claim to be a lawyer, right? Surely you're aware that legal action takes time, aren't you? You just hang in there a bit longer. You'll eat every word of what you've said in due time.
By the way, what happened to signing your posts? I've seen you sign them as me, Julie, and Random Walk. Do you only sign "Karen" when you're not acting the fool?
Your credibility is about nil. You dissemble so frequently that nothing you say can be believed (like when you say you're "working" but you actually spend your entire day trolling - it just doesn't add up).
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Karen's no lawyer. I'm still waiting for her to explain "colateral estoepel" without lifting it from a text. lol
[ This Message was edited by: Badpuppy on 2006-05-24 13:45 ]
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Im guessing....
A) Minnesota
B) Texas
C) Kathleen's office
D) A trailer park
E) Your mom's basement
Any one of those is equally likely.
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On 2006-05-24 12:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Well, D.J...YOU have often said that I was KAREN- when I posted from my home. Oh, and No this isn't Karen...I am sure you will check me out and find out where I am posting from. "
Posting at home as opposed to say...hla?
DJ often says you're Karen?
I'm calling BS. Post some links.
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On 2006-05-24 12:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Well, D.J...YOU have often said that I was KAREN- when I posted from my home. Oh, and No this isn't Karen...I am sure you will check me out and find out where I am posting from. "
I don't give a scurrying rat's ass about you or where you're posting from. You never make a valid point or contribute in any way to the dialogue. I'm completely ambivalent about your entire existence.
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On 2006-04-25 19:43:00, juniper2 wrote:
"That is probably because they fired their "Network Administrator at the school...Jeanine King..."
They still got Micha
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Also, The nurse Pam is gone too.
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Why is everyone so interested in who got fired or quit? How does this have anything to do with the schools effectiveness? All schools, companies go thru the same expansion, deflation cycles.
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Pam wasnt a nurse. She was an office manager.
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On 2006-05-27 17:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Why is everyone so interested in who got fired or quit? How does this have anything to do with the schools effectiveness? All schools, companies go thru the same expansion, deflation cycles."
Why are you so interested in HLA? What does this discussion have to do with ASR, except they're both off-shoots of the CEDU tree?
I doubt that anyone here is going to recap the events of the past 6 months for you, outlining all the employees that have left or been fired and the reasons.
If you don't want to do the research necessary to get up to speed on the discussion, then just go away with your imaginings- that they are in a "deflation" period.
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On 2006-05-27 17:34:00, SHH wrote:
"Pam wasnt a nurse. She was an office manager."
Her title was Medical Infirmary Office Manager.
Anon, was there some reason you thought/know she was also a nurse? Like did she dispense meds or treat injuries, etc?
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?It has been confirmed that Tracey Kimbrell, the school nurse LPN was fired last Friday..Maybe
parents should look into who is going to be distributing the 'correct' psychotropic drugs to your children..."?
Okay, I reviewed the thread from the beginning and it seems the problem is ?Who is dispensing the medication to the kids??
This seems like a simple question to answer:
1) What are the requirements? Do we need a licensed Doctor in Psychiatry to do the actual dispensing of drugs at night? Or can the guy mowing the lawn take a break and hand them out?
Personally I don?t know, but I would guess somewhere in between. So before we make an issue we should find out what is required and how HLA stands against the requirements. Typically if someone is let go a another person is assigned to fill in until the position is filled, if there is not a qualified person on staff a temp is brought in to fill the duties.
This happens everywhere across the country people get fired, leave, die and promoted out of their jobs every single day. I do not think this something new to parents or anyone in business.
A larger Red flag would be an employee who is in the same position too long and becomes complacent and eventually ineffective. People typically grow with (and within) an organization or they move on or get fired/laid off, this is more the norm (not an exception), in my experience.
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You'll find the answers you're seeking in several threads. You could begin with Downsizing and Cost-Cutting.
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Yes, normally a temp is brought in...However, they chose to "fill" in with a receptionist...
Psychotropic drugs are not to be dispensed by a
receptionist...
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On 2006-05-27 17:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Why is everyone so interested in who got fired or quit? How does this have anything to do with the schools effectiveness? All schools, companies go thru the same expansion, deflation cycles."
Because the school still advertises as having a fully trained licensed staff in all arenas which as we know is not true.
As well without enough personelle on hand saftey becomes an issue, plus with the added burden of a shortage and revolving door of staff unqualified people have a greater potential to being hired exaserbaiting an already dangerous situation.
Plus with grossing 10 million a year the school ought to be handle to weather these kinds of things. The fact that they no longer pay their bills suggest poor money management skills which should make the parents wonder on points.
Now you made the point earlier about how much of what we said was BS. I'll ask you to bring up specific points you feel we are either lying about or wrong. Then we can provide the evidence or the means for you to examine it yourself.
Sound good cupcake?
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On 2006-05-27 18:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
"?It has been confirmed that Tracey Kimbrell, the school nurse LPN was fired last Friday..Maybe
parents should look into who is going to be distributing the 'correct' psychotropic drugs to your children..."?
Okay, I reviewed the thread from the beginning and it seems the problem is ?Who is dispensing the medication to the kids??
This seems like a simple question to answer:
1) What are the requirements? Do we need a licensed Doctor in Psychiatry to do the actual dispensing of drugs at night? Or can the guy mowing the lawn take a break and hand them out?
Personally I don?t know, but I would guess somewhere in between. So before we make an issue we should find out what is required and how HLA stands against the requirements. Typically if someone is let go a another person is assigned to fill in until the position is filled, if there is not a qualified person on staff a temp is brought in to fill the duties.
This happens everywhere across the country people get fired, leave, die and promoted out of their jobs every single day. I do not think this something new to parents or anyone in business.
A larger Red flag would be an employee who is in the same position too long and becomes complacent and eventually ineffective. People typically grow with (and within) an organization or they move on or get fired/laid off, this is more the norm (not an exception), in my experience.
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I wonder if you arent legally retarded.
You would be okay with spending almost 100,000 dollars to have your kid treated by unlicensed therapist, living in an unlicensed school, surrounded by dangerous people both student and staff, being occasionally denied basic needs such as toilet paper or an indoor toilet, and all the while having anti-psychotics or anti-depressants dispensed by the guy who cuts the lawn?
Please Id like to hear you say youd be okay with that scenario.
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Susan still got those questions waiting for you.
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I wonder if you arent legally retarded.
You would be okay with spending almost 100,000 dollars to have your kid treated by unlicensed therapist, living in an unlicensed school, surrounded by dangerous people both student and staff, being occasionally denied basic needs such as toilet paper or an indoor toilet, and all the while having anti-psychotics or anti-depressants dispensed by the guy who cuts the lawn?
Please Id like to hear you say youd be okay with that scenario.
Wow, I don?t think anyone would !! Would you want to buy a car with one wheel missing, cracked windshield and 90% rusted out for $60,000, of course not. If you reread the post the question was ?What are the requirements? Does the person need to be a Doctor of Psychiatry or the guy mowing the lawn? I believe somewhere in between.? Is the receptionist qualified? Do we know the answer?
When I pick up prescriptions at the store a 20 year old with a name tag saying ?Debbie? gives them to me. It doesn?t say she has a PHD or she is filling in for someone on a cigarette break. I don?t know, maybe I should ask. But the real question is are they breaking the law? What are the requirements? I typically ask these questions and have the answers in hand before I accuse someone of doing something wrong, that was my point, I am not for or against HLA.
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When I pick up prescriptions at the store a 20 year old with a name tag saying ?Debbie? gives them to me. It doesn?t say she has a PHD or she is filling in for someone on a cigarette break. I don?t know, maybe I should ask. But the real question is are they breaking the law? What are the requirements? I typically ask these questions and have the answers in hand before I accuse someone of doing something wrong, that was my point, I am not for or against HLA.
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Who, do the research. The questions you pose have already been addressed. And the bottom line is that unlicensed programs do as they wish, until someone takes issue.
It's so typical of you to make the arguement that someone handing you an rx in a bag is equivalent to an unlicensed staff administering potent psychiatric drugs.
Are you here for any other reason than to bog down the thread with innane questions and musings? If it's education you seek, read what's been posted, and talk less.
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I have done searches in the HLA threads and I don?t see where it was addressed, where the requirements are defined. I ran the following queries:
Requirements
Drugs
Nurse
Dispense
It's so typical of you to make the arguement that someone handing you an rx in a bag is equivalent to an unlicensed staff administering potent psychiatric drugs.
Why is it different? The store doesn?t differentiate between who gives the potent and non potent drugs, it?s the same girl.
If we are asking someone to meet a certain standard we need to cite the requirements i.e.
?State law requires that all medications be dispensed by a licensed medical person who has been trained for 233 hours by the state of North Carolina. If a person is not able to do his/her duties a temporary person can be assigned if overseen by a licensed doctor, this temporary position can not exceed 30 days and the person should have a minimum of a GED in the State of NC ?..etc.?
If we have this in our hands we can ask for the receptionist?s credentials and if they don?t meet minimum standards then the state must be notified. These are the correct steps. To hear that someone was fired and assume they are out of control without evidence is wrong, unfounded and lowers ones credibility.
Deborah, these type of questions should not be viewed as bogging down or musings but the first steps of getting to the truth, Fornits should continue to build credibility not the other way around.
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Yet still you ignore the questions put to you while demanding yours be answered?
The girl who hands you your prozac at your drug store has been trained. The guy who cuts the lawn has not. Further by the standards you listed a doctor would need to supervise any such temporary position. No such doctor is on staff at HLA. Further you are ignoring the largest issue on the matter to date: If you burned yourself or broke your arm would you go see Debbie at the drug store or a doctor?
Right now HLA has a receptionist playing school nurse handing out meds she knows nothing about and treating kids injuries and illnesses while untrained and unqualified.
Im still looking for you to tell me if you are okay with this scenario.
Also still wondering why if you are neither for or against HLA and have no real experience or knowledge of it why you are here?
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Deborah, these type of questions should not be viewed as bogging down or musings but the first steps of getting to the truth, Fornits should continue to build credibility not the other way around.
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Oh and just so youre clear, you have no such truth to offer us. We already have the truth on HLA, its been pegged hence why HLA is feeling the effects of our work. If you on the other hand care to be educated please, let us know.
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Yet still you ignore the questions put to you while demanding yours be answered?
The girl who hands you your prozac at your drug store has been trained.
Okay , to what level? Degreed?
The guy who cuts the lawn has not.
Okay, We will accept this as an assumption.
Further by the standards you listed a doctor would need to supervise any such temporary position. No such doctor is on staff at HLA.
No, I was citing an example of a requirement, we haven?t defined any requirements yet!
Further you are ignoring the largest issue on the matter to date: If you burned yourself or broke your arm would you go see Debbie at the drug store or a doctor?
The issue is meds, the girl at the pharmacy would not help you either.
Right now HLA has a receptionist playing school nurse handing out meds she knows nothing about and treating kids injuries and illnesses while untrained and unqualified.
How do we know she is not qualified to hand out the meds?
Im still looking for you to tell me if you are okay with this scenario.
If she is qualified and meets the requirements then I am satisfied, yes.
Also still wondering why if you are neither for or against HLA and have no real experience or knowledge of it why you are here?
The same reason everyone else is.
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On 2006-05-28 13:34:00, RobertBruce wrote:
" Deborah, these type of questions should not be viewed as bogging down or musings but the first steps of getting to the truth, Fornits should continue to build credibility not the other way around.
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Oh and just so youre clear, you have no such truth to offer us. We already have the truth on HLA, its been pegged hence why HLA is feeling the effects of our work. If you on the other hand care to be educated please, let us know. "
I never offered truth. I suggested we all continue to strive towards it and yes I do care to be educated always, hopefully you havent stopped learning.
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Debbie the drug store clerk is not in charge of "administering" drugs to 150+ people. She is not putting the correct doses of medication into cups and passing them out. She sticks the bottle into a bag and rings up the sale.
As you well know Who, unlicensed programs are not required to follow state regulations. HLA is exempt- claimed to be a boarding school, "therapeutic" just a marketing tool.
Who administered drugs as ASR? What type of employee would you have been comfortable with managing and administering drugs? I think they have about the same population.
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I dont want to comment about who is administering drugs at HLA or what is the regulation, because I dont know those things, however I did want to comment on something Deborah said. She said the receptionist, (or whoever), is doling out medicines for 150 students. That may be the number of students enrolled at HLA, but that in no way would represent the actual number of students taking prescription medicines of any type at the school. That would mean every student takes prescription drugs, and I doubt seriously the number is more than maybe 30 or 35 students that take medicines on a daily basis. Maybe someone who knows can give out the percentage of students who take medicines on a daily basis? And whether or not those drugs are for allergies, non-psychotic ailments, or for psychological conditions. But 150 would be a serious exxageration, in my opinion.
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The demographics provided in the parent manual stated 50%, on psych drugs...75 or so. In addition, others take rx for sinus, diabetes, antibiotic, etc. My son took sinus meds frequently due to the excessive amount of cheese he consumed on restriction and became dependent on flonase.
Neither of us know the exact number of kids taking meds on any given day. What we do know is that someone has to know all those kids so they can positively ID them, what meds they are authorized to take, when they take them and what the dosage is. It's not a task to take lightly, whether 75 or 150 daily. That's a lot of kids and meds to be responsible for.
PS... Deborah said nothing of the sort. I do not know who is administering drugs.
[ This Message was edited by: Deborah on 2006-05-28 16:13 ]
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Debbie the drug store clerk is not in charge of "administering" drugs to 150+ people. She is not putting the correct doses of medication into cups and passing them out. She sticks the bottle into a bag and rings up the sale.
As you well know Who, unlicensed programs are not required to follow state regulations. HLA is exempt- claimed to be a boarding school, "therapeutic" just a marketing tool.
I think it is important to distinguish between boarding school and ?Therapeutic? boarding school and market their target customers accordingly. TBS?s target a very small fraction of kids who will benefit from what they offer. Yes, I do understand that they benefit from special exemptions.
Who administered drugs as ASR? What type of employee would you have been comfortable with managing and administering drugs? I think they have about the same population.
I am not sure how it was handled at ASR, but I would expect at least a trained medical person (nurse) to stage the meds once a day, maybe bag them, mark them and then allow a staff member, who is assigned, to distribute them when needed . These would be my minimum requirements. If there were state or federal guide lines, I would want them to follow those as well.
So I guess we need to ascertain what the receptionist is responsible for. Does she have total access to all the meds and just hand them out to whom ever wants some pain killers, does she have any training? Does she have a background in dispensing drugs or is she 18 years old and this is her first job and she has only been answering phones for a week? Are there requirements or guide lines the school should be following?
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On 2006-05-28 16:44:00, TheWho wrote:
"Are there requirements or guide lines the school should be following?"
For a TBS? Naaaaaaaah. What would ever give you that idea?
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Who,
Now I know you know that HLA doesn't take traditional boarding school kids- that isn't and never has been their target market. No one is going to board their kid in a TBS for a 20-22 month "program". I have never seen one advertisement that remotely suggests HLA being a traditional boarding school. If you have, please post it. Further, kids who go to HLA do not stay the duration of their high school years. Their parents are highly encouraged to place them in pre-selected "traditional boarding schools" upon completion of HLAs "program". The guarentee is dependent on it.
Based on this comment: "Are there requirements or guide lines the school should be following?"
I'm not sure you do understand that they benefit from special exemptions.
BTW, it's not special exemptions (plural), they are totally exempt from state regulations. No one monitors their program. Same with ASR.
As a parent, why are you comfortable with that?
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Okay , to what level? Degreed?
I just placed a quick call to my pharmacy. Excluding the head pharmacist, to be just an asst. requires at least some college level training in pharmacy along with a multi week training course and a final exam before a person can even touch meds.
Okay, We will accept this as an assumption.
Its probably a safe one to assume that the guy cutting the lawn isnt a trained pharmacist or school nurse.
No, I was citing an example of a requirement, we haven?t defined any requirements yet!
Oh Im sorry was the requirement you listed off before just pulled from your ass?
The issue is meds, the girl at the pharmacy would not help you either.
The issue is meds for you because you cant retort against my argument. This receptionist isnt just passing out meds, shes playing school nurse. Shes treating injuries and illnesses completly unqualified. Not only does this put the inmates health at risk, it is illegal.
How do we know she is not qualified to hand out the meds?
Based on the fact that shes a receptionist.
If she is qualified and meets the requirements then I am satisfied, yes.
And if she isnt?
The same reason everyone else is.
You think so? You have no knowledge of HLA nor any experience with it. The people who come onto this site to comment on it do so for different reasons. The people who are anti-HLA are usually here because they suffered at the hands of it or know someone who suffered and want the truth to be known concerning it. The people who are pro-HLA are usually either sadist who enjoy the pain they can inflict on children at the school, to stupid to see the truth, or are dependent on HLA for their livelihood and simply dont care. There are also of course those who did benefit from such an enviroment. You dont fall into any of those categories so again the question stands;
Why are you here?
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I never offered truth. I suggested we all continue to strive towards it and yes I do care to be educated always, hopefully you havent stopped learning.
While not offering opposing ideas concerning HLA you have discounted and dismissed others statements.
This serves the same purpose. Yet you do this while not having any first hand knowledge of HLA whatsoever.
Why?
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Now I know you know that HLA doesn't take traditional boarding school kids- that isn't and never has been their target market. No one is going to board their kid in a TBS for a 20-22 month "program". I have never seen one advertisement that remotely suggests HLA being a traditional boarding school. If you have, please post it. Further, kids who go to HLA do not stay the duration of their high school years. Their parents are highly encouraged to place them in pre-selected "traditional boarding schools" upon completion of HLAs "program". The guarentee is dependent on it.
That?s exactly what I said. TBS?s target and market to a very small fraction of kids. They are non traditional.
Based on this comment: "Are there requirements or guide lines the school should be following?"
I'm not sure you do understand that they benefit from special exemptions.
I do understand. But if there are no requirements because you are exempt, then you would turn to ?Acceptable guidelines? What is expected? What do other institutions do? What is safe and appropriate?
Being exempt doesn?t necessarily mean you do nothing, it means you look for acceptable guidelines to follow.
BTW, it's not special exemptions (plural), they are totally exempt from state regulations. No one monitors their program. Same with ASR.
As a parent, why are you comfortable with that?
I think they should be regulated by the state that they are in. But I don?t blame the schools for this, the people need to push the state to enforce the regulations and over sight. If we were not required to get a drivers license how many of us would have one and would that make us bad people or bad drivers? Probably not.
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Okay professor but youre forgetting a huge issue with that.
The school lies to the state about its purpose. There are laws and regulations and oversight for just such a type of institution in the state of GA. Yet they claim exemption by pretending to be a traditional boarding school.
Anyone with any experience with HLA knows they are not a traditional boarding school.
Oh wait...thats why youre confused, you have no experience with HLA.
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The issue is meds for you because you cant retort against my argument. This receptionist isnt just passing out meds, shes playing school nurse. Shes treating injuries and illnesses completly unqualified. Not only does this put the inmates health at risk, it is illegal.
You seem pissed. Let?s revisit the original statement a couple of pages back :
?It has been confirmed that Tracey Kimbrell, the school nurse LPN was fired last Friday..Maybe
parents should look into who is going to be distributing the 'correct' psychotropic drugs to your children...?
This what I was responding to. How are the meds being handled and what is the right thing to do?
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On 2006-05-28 17:27:00, RobertBruce wrote:
" I never offered truth. I suggested we all continue to strive towards it and yes I do care to be educated always, hopefully you havent stopped learning.
While not offering opposing ideas concerning HLA you have discounted and dismissed others statements.
This serves the same purpose. Yet you do this while not having any first hand knowledge of HLA whatsoever.
Why?"
I think I have offered opposing ideas. I challenged the position that having the receptionist dispense meds was putting the kids at risk.
Having first hand knowledge is not a prerequisite to post on any of these threads, as I have experienced. If you take a look at the ASR thread there were a small percentage of posters who had first hand knowledge (As one example).
There are parents who are gathering information on schools who post and have never heard of some of these places. Its important for the forums to be open to all people so that they can learn and inject new ideas and insight. You should welcome this. The more interest, the more people, the faster the information gets out!!
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You seem pissed. Let?s revisit the original statement a couple of pages back :
?It has been confirmed that Tracey Kimbrell, the school nurse LPN was fired last Friday..Maybe
parents should look into who is going to be distributing the 'correct' psychotropic drugs to your children...?
This what I was responding to. How are the meds being handled and what is the right thing to do?
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Youre confused. Im not angry at all, I was simply mocking you. You mistake my being condescending towards you for anger, learn the subtleties.
In the meantime you continue to ignore the larger issue. The receptionist isnt only passing out meds..although that to is illegal and a practice that HLA has engaged in for years; she is also (again) playing school nurse. An issue you continue to ignore because youre to stupid to respond.
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I think I have offered opposing ideas.
Based on what? You don't know anything about HLA.
I challenged the position that having the receptionist dispense meds was putting the kids at risk.
That's because youre retarded. You feel that an unqualified, unsupervised receptionist should be providing medical care and dispensing meds she knows nothing about. Sounds like a winning plan to me.
Having first hand knowledge is not a prerequisite to post on any of these threads, as I have experienced.
It is if you want to be percieved as knowing what the hell youre talking about. You keep babbeling on about improving the credibility of fornits. Considering many prospective parents get their information from us I suggest you work on your own credibility.
If you take a look at the ASR thread there were a small percentage of posters who had first hand knowledge (As one example).
There are parents who are gathering information on schools who post and have never heard of some of these places. Its important for the forums to be open to all people so that they can learn and inject new ideas and insight. You should welcome this. The more interest, the more people, the faster the information gets out!!
There is a difference between parents and others coming onto the site to ask questions and learn about the school, versus you who has no first hand knowledge or connection to it. You come on here believing you know what youre talking about when its beyond obvious you dont, and you are little more than a joke. I welcome people seeking information not self inflated ass clowns who have nothing better to do than try and make themselves feel better about just how insignifigant and small they really are.
Oh and since you are seemingly unaware the information moves from this site at a remarkable pace, or hadnt you noticed the impact we have made?
Then again I guess you wouldnt.
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On 2006-05-28 19:23:00, RobertBruce wrote:
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You seem pissed. Let?s revisit the original statement a couple of pages back :
?It has been confirmed that Tracey Kimbrell, the school nurse LPN was fired last Friday..Maybe
parents should look into who is going to be distributing the 'correct' psychotropic drugs to your children...?
This what I was responding to. How are the meds being handled and what is the right thing to do?
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Youre confused. Im not angry at all, I was simply mocking you. You mistake my being condescending towards you for anger, learn the subtleties.
In the meantime you continue to ignore the larger issue. The receptionist isnt only passing out meds..although that to is illegal and a practice that HLA has engaged in for years; she is also (again) playing school nurse. An issue you continue to ignore because youre to stupid to respond. "
Sorry I have never responded very well to subtleties. If you would like to discuss the larger issue, just put it on the table. I am not one to ignore any of the issues. But before we move on lets finish up on the med issue, which doesn?t seem to be a big deal anymore. So just to recap:
The meds are being dispensed by someone other than a nurse with unknown credentials which may or may not be a problem because we have not established what the process is or how HLA stands (on this issue) against any state or otherwise acceptable requirements. So this is an unresolved issue.
So your larger issue is that she may be treating injuries and illnesses in between answering the phone. I guess before we judge this whole process we should try to determine what her credentials are and what she is being allowed to do. Does she have any type of medical back ground? Can she apply stitches? Minor surgery? Can kids be transported to a local clinic? Does HLA have a interim process to handle this? Do they plan to replace the nurse anytime soon?
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See now you learn.
It is better to ask questions than pretend you know what youre talking about when its obvious you dont.
These are all legitimate questions that given a little homework can be answered.
In the mean time parents should be calling HLA and asking these very things.
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You feel that an unqualified, unsupervised receptionist should be providing medical care and dispensing meds she knows nothing about. Sounds like a winning plan to me.
See this is where your credibility drops off the cliff. Where did I state this? Who established that she is unqualified? What credentials does she need and which does she possess? Where was it established that she works unsupervised?
Maybe you missed it but I was asked by Deborah what would make me comfortable from a parents perspective and I responded:
??. I would expect at least a trained medical person (nurse) to stage the meds once a day, maybe bag them, mark them and then allow a staff member, who is assigned, to distribute them when needed . These would be my minimum requirements. If there were state or federal guide lines, I would want them to follow those as well.
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These are all legitimate questions that given a little homework can be answered.
In the mean time parents should be calling HLA and asking these very things.
Thank you. That?s all I am asking is to do a little homework before judging a situation. This may be a none issue, and yes concerned parents should contact HLA if they feel uncomfortable.
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HLA is just going to lie to them.
And if you think a serious danger is an "unresolved issue", then you have some unresolved issues.
God I hope your daughter kills you.
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Credibility with you is not a concern. Youre a tool remember?
I challenged the position that having the receptionist dispense meds was putting the kids at risk.
Theres your quote for you cupcake. Having an unqualified person dispensing meds and playing nurse does put kids at risk.
Who established that she is unqualified?
Well there are two office staff members listed on the schools website. Neither one of them has any credentials listed whatsoever. Now considering the majority of the other staff does in fact have credentials listed it would stand to reason that these two may have graduated highschool and called it a night. If either one of them had some sort of college experience or medical training it would stand to reason that it would be broadcast. It is not. So I guess to answer your question..I established she is unqualified.
What credentials does she need and which does she possess?
Some degree of medical training would be acceptable, and apparently none.
Where was it established that she works unsupervised?
By the fact that they have no doctor on staff. Who else should supervise her?
Maybe you missed it but I was asked by Deborah what would make me comfortable from a parents perspective and I responded:
??. I would expect at least a trained medical person (nurse) to stage the meds once a day, maybe bag them, mark them and then allow a staff member, who is assigned, to distribute them when needed . These would be my minimum requirements. If there were state or federal guide lines, I would want them to follow those as well.
No I caught it, you just contridict yourself alot.
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Thank you. That?s all I am asking is to do a little homework before judging a situation. This may be a none issue, and yes concerned parents should contact HLA if they feel uncomfortable.
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Oh I was actually refering to you needing to do your homework. Remember youre the one with the questions. I already know the truth about HLA. I did however make it easy for you.
The two office staff have no credentials
There is no supervision.
Anything else?
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Well there are two office staff members listed on the schools website. Neither one of them has any credentials listed whatsoever. Now considering the majority of the other staff does in fact have credentials listed it would stand to reason that these two may have graduated highschool and called it a night. If either one of them had some sort of college experience or medical training it would stand to reason that it would be broadcast. It is not. So I guess to answer your question..I established she is unqualified.
How can you trust the web site!! And you establish she is unqualified?.Hmmmm..and you stated HLA needs oversight
Some degree of medical training would be acceptable, and apparently none.
Again, these seem to be your personal requirements. I was looking more for some established/acceptable guidelines, by someone who is more qualified than yourself.
By the fact that they have no doctor on staff. Who else should supervise her?
Maybe a doctor or nurse who is not on staff seeing that they fired the nurse. Any interim process would not be reflected on their website, unless they were using ?realtime? data flow.
It doesn?t seem that a problem has been established. A nurse was fired, and a person with unknown credentials is dispensing the meds, that?s all we know. Is it a red flag? You bet. Is it a problem? We don?t know. Do we know what is required? No
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Its getting late, got to run. Let me leave you with these thoughts which I think should help resolve the issue.
1) Find out and/or define what is an acceptable process for dispensing meds (Chain of med handling down to the dispenser).
2) Determine what their present (interim) process is.
3) Determine the credentials needed to dispense medication in Ga.
4) Determine the credentials of the person dispensing the meds today at HLA.
Compare Items 1 and 2 This will tell you if HLA?s process is out of control. Compare Items 3 and 4 This will tell us if they have unqualified people.
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How can you trust the web site!! And you establish she is unqualified?.Hmmmm..and you stated HLA needs oversight
While I can see HLA embellishing its staffs credentials I cant see them making them appear unqualified. Do you have a basis for this argument or are you just clutching at straws? Oh and yes HLA needs a great deal of oversight.
Again, these seem to be your personal requirements. I was looking more for some established/acceptable guidelines, by someone who is more qualified than yourself.
Interesting coming from you, the guy who consistently talks about things he knows nothing about. I was offering my personal opinion as did you on the matter. As to what the state requires I could only guess. However a few well placed calls to the board of education or the health dept should answer those requirement questions. Irregardless however it would probably be a safe bet to say some amount of credentials are required. Since we have established according to HLA's information these girls have none they would appear to be in violation.
Maybe a doctor or nurse who is not on staff seeing that they fired the nurse. Any interim process would not be reflected on their website, unless they were using ?realtime? data flow.
No we no for a fact there is no doctor on staff nor is there any visits made by any doctor or nurse, to see patients or otherwise. Thanks for trying though.
It doesn?t seem that a problem has been established. A nurse was fired, and a person with unknown credentials is dispensing the meds, that?s all we know. Is it a red flag? You bet. Is it a problem? We don?t know. Do we know what is required? No
Many many problems have been established. You are fixated on trying to discount this one desperatly wanting to prove a point that you dont have. How much sense to even a simpleton like yourself to say that in any state in the US that school nurses are not required to have any education or training whatsoever nor are they required to be supervised. Think really.
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On 2006-05-28 20:58:00, TheWho wrote:
"Its getting late, got to run. Let me leave you with these thoughts which I think should help resolve the issue.
1) Find out and/or define what is an acceptable process for dispensing meds (Chain of med handling down to the dispenser).
2) Determine what their present (interim) process is.
3) Determine the credentials needed to dispense medication in Ga.
4) Determine the credentials of the person dispensing the meds today at HLA.
Compare Items 1 and 2 This will tell you if HLA?s process is out of control. Compare Items 3 and 4 This will tell us if they have unqualified people.
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Youre the one interested you find out.
In the meantime the parents can be left with this:
HLA currently has no trained or qualified staff attending your childs medical needs including the dispensing of meds.
The state of GA in all likelyhood has certian requirements that need to be met concerning providing medical care or handling medication.
You pay almost 100,000.00 dollars to have your child taken care and they are being denied proper care.
Demand answers to this and the dozens of other established problems brought up by the people posting on this site. Remember your child cannot speak to you freely.
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HLA currently has no trained or qualified staff attending your childs medical needs including the dispensing of meds.
This, once again, is just a guess. They lost an employee and need to backfill like any other company does everyday.
The state of GA in all likelyhood has certian requirements that need to be met concerning providing medical care or handling medication
This is just a guess, like saying Microsoft is probably violating some OSHA requirements. But nobody has checked because they probably meet all standard practices, as do most schools. If they are so desperate to discredit HLA you would think they could just find one requirement they violate
You pay almost 100,000.00 dollars to have your child taken care and they are being denied proper care.
Sorry this statement is false, he obviously doesn?t know what he is talking about. Claims to know about HLA and what is going on ?.. Interesting ?? no credibility left.
Demand answers to this and the dozens of other established problems brought up by the people posting on this site. Remember your child cannot speak to you freely.
Yes, you should always ask questions, but the above shows someone pulling the fire alarm again and again and a again only to find no problems. Remember no facts have been presented.
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Seems like the only rats that are scurrying are Dysfunction and Robert Bruce. HLA clicks along.....
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This, once again, is just a guess. They lost an employee and need to backfill like any other company does everyday.
Afraid not. HLA list its staffs credentials on its website. Not only do they not have any medical staff being listed, but they have a person filling in who apparently neither went to college or was trained in any professional manner.
This is just a guess, like saying Microsoft is probably violating some OSHA requirements. But nobody has checked because they probably meet all standard practices, as do most schools. If they are so desperate to discredit HLA you would think they could just find one requirement they violate
Again you speak on a matter you know nothing about. This board has been nothing but presenting violation after violation after violation on HLA since its inception. Most of which are fully documented and can be verified independently. You however are still stuck on this one problem because you think can prove or disprove something when anyone with half a brain knows HLA is in violation here. Are you honestly going to argue that the state of Georgia has no minimum requirements for who can be handling medication or serve as a school nurse?
Here I'll make it easier for you this is from the national council of saftey boards of nursing.
Here's what defines a nurse: Advanced nursing practice" means practice by a registered professional nurse who meets those educational, practice, certification requirements, or any combination of such requirements, as specified by the board and includes certified nurse midwives, nurse practitioners, certified registered nurse anesthetists, clinical nurse specialists in psychiatric/mental health, and others recognized by the board.
And here's what they can legally do: "Practice nursing" or "practice of nursing" means to perform for compensation or the performance for compensation of any act in the care and counsel of the ill, injured, or infirm, and in the promotion and maintenance of health with individuals, groups, or both throughout the life span. It requires substantial specialized knowledge of the humanities, natural sciences, social sciences, and nursing theory as a basis for assessment, nursing diagnosis, planning, intervention, and evaluation. It includes, but is not limited to, provision of nursing care; administration, supervision, evaluation, or any combination thereof, of nursing practice; teaching; counseling; the administration of medications and treatments as prescribed by a physician practicing medicine in accordance with Article 2 of Chapter 34 of this title, or a dentist practicing dentistry in accordance with Chapter 11 of this title, or a podiatrist practicing podiatry in accordance with Chapter 35 of this title.
Now given the fact that these two receptionist apparently never went to so much as community college please tell me how you feel they arent in violation?
You get back to me.
Sorry this statement is false, he obviously doesn?t know what he is talking about. Claims to know about HLA and what is going on ?.. Interesting ?? no credibility left.
You still seem to feel credibility with you matters. All you do is talk about matters and concerns you have no knowledge of and seek to appear educated on matters you know nothing about. But I'll give you a chance to elaborate.
Please tell us how regurarly denying children toilet paper or routinely forcing them to go for days at a time without running water is somehow okay. If you can argue that it is I have many other issues Id be interested in hearing you try to defend.
Yes, you should always ask questions, but the above shows someone pulling the fire alarm again and again and a again only to find no problems. Remember no facts have been presented.
HAHAHAHA please tell me how you know no facts have been presented...since the fact remains you know nothing about HLA?
Parents you can choose between the person who belongs to a group of people who have worked at HLA, lived at HLA, or had a child placed at HLA versus one jackass who has never seen it, never set foot upon it, never dealt with it, and knows nothing about it. Which of these two is going to be the more credible source?
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If we were comparing this situation to my child's elementary school, then it would seem that his school is the same. In our school system, they cannot afford a nurse for every school every day. They have traveling nurses. The nurse visits my child's school once a week. However, on the days that she is not there, someone has to give out meds. In this case, it IS the receptionist, IE, the front desk lady who greets people and answers the phone. She is not a nurse, however, this appears to be fine to the school board. So, if Georgia has the same regulations as North Carolina, maybe its possible that in the event of a temporary absence of a nurse, that someone "designated" can dole out meds. Just a thought. But I do think the ACTUAL regulation should be determined for Georgia before conclusions are made as to whether this is illegal or not.
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This makes sense however there are a couple of issues.
1. The actual nurse may handle the meds whereas the receptionist simply passes them out. HLA has no "traveling nurse"
2. If a kid at your sons school is really sick or injured he has the luxury of going home. In all likelyhood no more than a 20 min or so drive. HLA kids are are often to far from home to afford that luxury.
3. This receptionist is playing nurse full time not just dispensing meds she knows nothing about but providing basic medical care she is unqualified and untrained to do.
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In our public school the front desk lady is
allowed to dispense prescription medications with written approval from the parents and a Dr.s pre-
scription on file. However, if a child is
sick or believed to be sick, the parent(s) are
called immediately. Under no circumstance is the
receptionist or any other school official allowed
to give over the counter medicine even if they
obtain verbal approval over the phone. The parent
or other guardian must come in and give the medi-
cine him/herself. This is because there is no
qualified person serving in the explicit capacity
of school nurse or school physician.
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On 2006-05-29 05:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Seems like the only rats that are scurrying are Dysfunction and Robert Bruce. HLA clicks along....."
If you say so, they continue to feel the effects of our nasty truth telling campaign and things are most assuredly not "clicking along" or would like to explain the unpaid bills and drastic cutbacks?
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On 2006-05-29 07:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
"In our public school the front desk lady is
allowed to dispense prescription medications with written approval from the parents and a Dr.s pre-
scription on file. However, if a child is
sick or believed to be sick, the parent(s) are
called immediately. Under no circumstance is the
receptionist or any other school official allowed
to give over the counter medicine even if they
obtain verbal approval over the phone. The parent
or other guardian must come in and give the medi-
cine him/herself. This is because there is no
qualified person serving in the explicit capacity
of school nurse or school physician."
Again reasonable but not a policy HLA employs.
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You know Who rereading your comments I thought it was interesting that you mentioned me pulling the fire alarm.
After you get done sticking your head in the sand on the subject of improper medical care would you like to discuss the alarming fire safety infractions they employ?
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This forum is a huge joke at HLA and your supposed truth-telling campaign has not affected them in the least. I checked with a current parent who has been monitoring the situation carefully and no one is quaking in their shoes over the power of fornits.
:silly:
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On 2006-05-28 17:28:00, TheWho wrote:
"I think they should be regulated by the state that they are in. But I don?t blame the schools for this, the people need to push the state to enforce the regulations and over sight. If we were not required to get a drivers license how many of us would have one and would that make us bad people or bad drivers? Probably not.
I wrote:
As you well know Who, unlicensed programs are not required to follow state regulations. HLA is exempt- claimed to be a boarding school, "therapeutic" just a marketing tool.
You responded:
I think it is important to distinguish between boarding school and ?Therapeutic? boarding school and market their target customers accordingly.
and
That?s exactly what I said. TBS?s target and market to a very small fraction of kids. They are non traditional.
It's a given that HLA has a target market and markets their customers accordingly- mute issue. That is not what they told the Office of Regulatory Services, which is the point. They claimed to be a Boarding School to avoid licensure and oversight.
You claim to support state regulation, but don't blame the 'schools' for lying about the services they provide in order to avoid state oversight?
[ This Message was edited by: Deborah on 2006-05-29 10:30 ]
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Not sure how all this debate over what's legal or illegal is useful to anyone, given that HLA is exempt from state regulations. If they were doing anything that violated state law, who would you report it to?
In terms of public schools and state laws:
State Laws- which would not apply to HLA anyway
http://law.enotes.com/everyday-law-ency ... g-medicine (http://law.enotes.com/everyday-law-encyclopedia/administering-medicine)
Georgia has "no applicable laws" on the administering of medications.
Update:
Georgia
Education Rule 160-4-8-.01 (2000) requires each school system to develop a Student Services Plan that provides guidelines for its various components including school health services. The state's School Health Nurse Resource Manual provides suggested models for each school system to implement the rule. Each model includes administration of medication as a school nurse function.
http://www.healthinschools.org/sh/mgmtpolicies.asp (http://www.healthinschools.org/sh/mgmtpolicies.asp)
Pertinent to this discussion:
http://law.enotes.com/everyday-law-ency ... g-medicine (http://law.enotes.com/everyday-law-encyclopedia/administering-medicine)
Seventy-five percent of reporting nurses in the 2000 study delegated medication administration to unlicensed assistive personnel (UAPs), with secretaries (66 percent) being the most common. Errors in administering medications were reported by nearly 50 percent of the school nurses, the most common error being missed doses (79 percent). Errors were commonly reported to local school and/or state authorities.
Faced with the growing problem of exposure to liability in conjunction with the administration of medicine (and in many circumstances, the administration of controlled substances), schools have mobilized over the years and demanded both guidance and protection from liability by state legislatures. Not all states have addressed the issue at the state level, and persons needing information are best advised to start with their local school districts.
http://www2.gsu.edu/~wwwghp/publication ... rt2001.pdf (http://www2.gsu.edu/~wwwghp/publications/children/SchoolHealthReport2001.pdf)
Last year the Georgia legislature allocated $30 million in House Bill 1187, the ?A+ Education Reform Act of 2000? (A+), to augment funding for school health personnel. The goal of the legislation was to provide for healthcare personnel in every school in the state. Prior to implementation of this Act, Georgia lagged behind the rest of the country as one of very few states that did not directly fund school nurses or require health personnel in schools.
Study results at this link.
[ This Message was edited by: Deborah on 2006-05-30 08:04 ]
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On 2006-05-29 06:38:00, SHH wrote:
"If we were comparing this situation to my child's elementary school, then it would seem that his school is the same. In our school system, they cannot afford a nurse for every school every day. They have traveling nurses. The nurse visits my child's school once a week. However, on the days that she is not there, someone has to give out meds. In this case, it IS the receptionist, IE, the front desk lady who greets people and answers the phone. She is not a nurse, however, this appears to be fine to the school board. So, if Georgia has the same regulations as North Carolina, maybe its possible that in the event of a temporary absence of a nurse, that someone "designated" can dole out meds. Just a thought. But I do think the ACTUAL regulation should be determined for Georgia before conclusions are made as to whether this is illegal or not. "
Some of you just really can't grok the point that HLA is exempt from state regulations. Wouldn't matter if they were violating state laws governing RCFs or public schools. In the eyes of ORS, they are a private boarding school, based on the information HLA and/or their attorney provided. Who ya gonna call- Fraud Busters?
BTW, N Carolina could improve as well. Used to be that very few kids took daily medication. With the expolosion of psych meds (No Child Left Behind) millions now take behavior drugs (controlled substances) daily. They should be locked up and monitored by someone with a little more training than secretarial school.
An interesting discussion on the topic here, specifically re: NC teachers' concern about liability.
http://allnurses.com/forums/f49/dispens ... 14478.html (http://allnurses.com/forums/f49/dispensing-medication-14478.html)
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HLA isn't suffering because of Fornits, unless some members have started some massive information campaign they haven't been telling about.
HLA is suffering because of its own massive incompetence, lack of money management ability, corruption, etc. Maybe even a few secretive lawsuits/settlements nobody has told anyone about.
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Amen to that. They are also suffering due to
their "therapeutic" model of Behavior Modification. When we enrolled our child we did
not have a clear picture of what this meant spe-
cifically. We did, however, believe that our
child's specific problems would be addressed in
order for him to make true progress. After all
he is not Pavlov's dog. On one occasion, in
reals, the kids were asked to reveal which one of them had caused a problem. Staff stated they knew but wanted the individual to speak up. One
child spoke up and was told they were not the one
spoken of but that they would also be placed on
restriction. Now if this is not a classic case of bait and punish, manipulation, and giving
no emotional or psychological safety what is?
The message is "be honest and we'll punish you
for it."
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Here's what defines a nurse: Advanced nursing practice" means practice by a registered professional nurse who meets those educational, practice, certification requirements, or any combination of such requirements, as specified by the board and includes certified nurse midwives, nurse practitioners, certified registered nurse anesthetists, clinical nurse specialists in psychiatric/mental health, and others recognized by the board.
And here's what they can legally do: "Practice nursing" or "practice of nursing" means to perform for compensation or the performance for compensation of any act in the care and counsel of the ill, injured, or infirm, and in the promotion and maintenance of health with individuals, groups, or both throughout the life span. It requires substantial specialized knowledge of the humanities, natural sciences, social sciences, and nursing theory as a basis for assessment, nursing diagnosis, planning, intervention, and evaluation. It includes, but is not limited to, provision of nursing care; administration, supervision, evaluation, or any combination thereof, of nursing practice; teaching; counseling; the administration of medications and treatments as prescribed by a physician practicing medicine in accordance with Article 2 of Chapter 34 of this title, or a dentist practicing dentistry in accordance with Chapter 11 of this title, or a podiatrist practicing podiatry in accordance with Chapter 35 of this title.
Now given the fact that these two receptionist apparently never went to so much as community college please tell me how you feel they arent in violation?
You get back to me.
Well you quoted requirements for a nurse, great lets go back to our problem statement again:
?It has been confirmed that Tracey Kimbrell, the school nurse LPN was fired last Friday..Maybe
parents should look into who is going to be distributing the 'correct' psychotropic drugs to your children.?
It doesn?t say she is acting as a nurse, just dispensing drugs. Again do we know this is a violation? Local schools do it, our pharmacy does it. Where are the requirements?
You keep going off topic.
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On 2006-05-29 08:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This forum is a huge joke at HLA and your supposed truth-telling campaign has not affected them in the least. I checked with a current parent who has been monitoring the situation carefully and no one is quaking in their shoes over the power of fornits."
I agree. Even though some people make good points about some things HLA needs to improve on, the forum is not hurting HLA's numbers in any way and the state has shown no interest in acknowledging anything that is said on this site.
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I know of at least one case in which information obtained on Fornits affected
the numbers; there is now one less student
there - mine.
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Regarding HLA, Fornits for the most part, has been a wealth of information for current and former parents...there is still only forty percent
retention at HLA...the numbers for an earnest
academy should be much higher. There should be
alarms that go off to an informed parent placing their child at HLA or an other so-called TBS school when the tuition and liability release is discussed...A HUGE ALARM should go off.
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Robertbruce said: Are you honestly going to argue that the state of Georgia has no minimum requirements for who can be handling medication or serve as a school nurse?
You are all over the map, stay focused. I will try to say it again. We need to establish the requirements that are needed, as a minimum, to dispense drugs. Then compare the requirements to what is actually being done at HLA. Then we know where they stand. I never stated there were no requirements by the state.
After all this we still have not established that there is a problem at HLA in regards to dispensing drugs.
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On 2006-05-29 12:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
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I know of at least one case in which information obtained on Fornits affected
the numbers; there is now one less student
there - mine."
You are right in that regard. HLA does a terrible job at keeping the kids they have. That is more a testament to the poor ownership than anything else. What fornits has not affected is the number of kids coming in. I don't understand it.
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I found some requirements that apply to corporations but they were very vague and would not apply to our discussion anyway. Here is what Deborah was able to find (Thanks Deborah) Deborah provided links in a previous post, also
The state's School Health Nurse Resource Manual provides suggested models for each school system to implement the rule. Each model includes administration of medication as a school nurse function.
Seventy-five percent of reporting nurses in the 2000 study delegated medication administration to unlicensed assistive personnel (UAPs), with secretaries (66 percent) being the most common. Errors in administering medications were reported by nearly 50 percent of the school nurses, the most common error being missed doses (79 percent).
So as I read this: The expectations of the state is to have a Nurse manage the dispensing of all medication in a school setting in the State of Georgia.
So When HLA lost their Nurse they fell below expectations outlined by the state of Georgia and I agree this is something the parents should be made aware of.
Also when placed in perspective HLA was providing better services than 75% (exceeding expectations) of the school districts (based on the 2000 study) in the state of Georgia and then joined the 75% (majority) population when they lost their Nurse and the duties were off loaded to a secretary. So they are in line with the rest of Georgia schools.
So I see this as a red flag which the parents should be made aware of but seems unlikely that any of the students are being put at risk (based on the statistical study) with some errors of missed doses.
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On 2006-05-29 08:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This forum is a huge joke at HLA and your supposed truth-telling campaign has not affected them in the least. I checked with a current parent who has been monitoring the situation carefully and no one is quaking in their shoes over the power of fornits."
Is it now? I wonder then why Uncle Jo Jo went to all the trouble of writing a letter to every HLA parent discussing this very site and our antics. Can you explain it? Not that it did any good, the parents arent that stupid and of course saw through little joeys bullshit. Hence the reason why numbers are dropping so quickly, also why the reason support in the communitty is fading away. If you have an alternate explination for these facts fire away puppet.
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Well you quoted requirements for a nurse, great lets go back to our problem statement again:
?It has been confirmed that Tracey Kimbrell, the school nurse LPN was fired last Friday..Maybe
parents should look into who is going to be distributing the 'correct' psychotropic drugs to your children.?
It doesn?t say she is acting as a nurse, just dispensing drugs. Again do we know this is a violation? Local schools do it, our pharmacy does it. Where are the requirements?
You keep going off topic.
And you keep ignoring the facts and questions you dont like, so I guess were even.
You bring up an interesting point though so let me play devil's advocate for a second.
Let's just for arguments sake say that having an untrained, unqualified, unsupervised receptionsit dolling out meds is somehow okay.
Let us also for your arguments sake say she is not playing school nurse.
If this is truly the case then the next question raised is : Who is playing school nurse?
Are you going to argue that 150 kids in a high stress environment coupled with a wilderness program dont require access to immediate basic medical care?
I'd be interested in eharing you thoughts on this and other questions youve been to afraid to answer.
Oh and just for clarification youre claiming that HLA in allowing untrained personelle is no different than public schools or pharmacys is way off base. Public schools require a degree of supervision while pharmacies require extensive training education and supervision from a person who went to school for just such a job. HLA has an unsupervised untrained phone girl handing pout meds. Hardly the same thing.
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Fornits has no credibility. It is a joke. If you think otherwise, could I sell you some property?
Sometimes people point out the true nature of fornits (as in the letters) just in case someone happens upon it and wonders what the hell it is all about.
:silly:
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I agree. Even though some people make good points about some things HLA needs to improve on, the forum is not hurting HLA's numbers in any way and the state has shown no interest in acknowledging anything that is said on this site.
Well you are correct in the very last part of your comment. The state does not care, Buchi just has to many politicians bought and paid for. However as it turns out everyone has a boss and peoples patience has a price. Those officals who earlier dismissed our concerns are now finding ill advised to continue tpo do so, you will see the hammer drop. In the mean time Ill ask you the same thing I asked the other puppet. If we arent effecting things or causing concern why has litlle jo jo being trying so hard to discredit us or even silence us?
let me know.
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On 2006-05-29 19:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Fornits has no credibility. It is a joke. If you think otherwise, could I sell you some property?
Sometimes people point out the true nature of fornits (as in the letters) just in case someone happens upon it and wonders what the hell it is all about."
Why would jo jo go to all the trouble of pointing out a joke if parents werent asking questions. Also what determines we have no credibilty? Are we dispensing bad info? If so specifically what? Why is lil joey trying to silence us if its a joke? Why if we arent effecting things is HLA hurting so bad in so many arenas? Why is their retention rate so low..and dropping? Get back to me lap dog.
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Oh and just for clarification youre claiming that HLA in allowing untrained personelle is no different than public schools or pharmacys is way off base. Public schools require a degree of supervision while pharmacies require extensive training education and supervision from a person who went to school for just such a job. HLA has an unsupervised untrained phone girl handing pout meds. Hardly the same thing.
No, read my previous post as a result of Deborah?s data. I don?t think it included pharmacies. It was a way to align HLA?s present situation with State requirements/ recommendations, take a look. I think we can conclude the Meds issue and move on.
If this is truly the case then the next question raised is : Who is playing school nurse?
Are you going to argue that 150 kids in a high stress environment coupled with a wilderness program dont require access to immediate basic medical care?
I'd be interested in eharing you thoughts on this and other questions youve been to afraid to answer.
Why do you get so aggressive and uptight? I think we are putting facts on the table and trying to resolve issues, at least I am, I don?t think I appeared to be afraid to address the issues. I think it is important to resolve or at least find consensus on one point at a time, you seem to jump around talking about kids not having enough toilet paper etc. when the issue on the table was dispensing meds.
The next issue is since they fired the nurse they are in need of a medical person. This stinks all around (I have been there) and HLA is probably in scramble mode trying to get coverage in case of an emergency. This is not a unique situation we have had several schools in our district whos nursing position went vacant for over a 30 day period. It was not as critical, though, since they were not boarding schools and the kids went home everyday. But in any event the situation sometimes can not be helped and you have to deal with it, it may be the schools fault or the nurses fault.
So yes, the question needs to be answered what they do in case of an emergency. Some questions I would ask is do they have medflight in the area? A local nurse/doctor (not on staff) who is in the area that they could call on. None emergency issues could be handled through car pooling to the nearest doctor I imagine, so that?s not a big deal.
If I were a parent I would call and try to raise my comfort level a bit by getting answers to some of the aforementioned questions.
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I dont know which doctor they would call on unless they use the ones they had on campus before...but since I used to live there I will tell you that town is 9 miles away and the hospital in town is 10 miles away. They do have lifeflight available, but it would be quicker to dispatch an ambulance in a true emergency. Also, the Army Ranger camp is less than 2 miles the other direction, and they have medics and a medivac helicopter too. The school is out in the country, but, not THAT remotely located that medical help cant be obtained in a relatively short period of time.
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On 2006-05-29 14:32:00, TheWho wrote:
"Robertbruce said: Are you honestly going to argue that the state of Georgia has no minimum requirements for who can be handling medication or serve as a school nurse?
You are all over the map, stay focused. I will try to say it again. We need to establish the requirements that are needed, as a minimum, to dispense drugs. Then compare the requirements to what is actually being done at HLA. Then we know where they stand. I never stated there were no requirements by the state.
After all this we still have not established that there is a problem at HLA in regards to dispensing drugs.
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Dont blame me for the fact that you cant keep up. It isnt my fault youre so limited. Ask for help if you need it.
Let me dumb it down for you further.
Say that you are correct, HLA isnt violating any standards or laws. That it is perfectly legal to have an untrained, un qualified, unsupervised receptrionist passing out meds.
Does that make it okay? Would you as a parent paying close to 100,000.00 be okay with such an arrangement?
Shouldnt that amount of money buy some amount of security for your child?
Given all the other basics cut off and the often substandard kliving I would think this just might set some parents off.
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Dont blame me for the fact that you cant keep up. It isnt my fault youre so limited. Ask for help if you need it.
Let me dumb it down for you further.
Okay the class bully, I remember you, you peaked out in highschool.
Say that you are correct, HLA isnt violating any standards or laws. That it is perfectly legal to have an untrained, un qualified, unsupervised receptrionist passing out meds.
Does that make it okay? Would you as a parent paying close to 100,000.00 be okay with such an arrangement?
I am not right or wrong, I am not taking sides, just trying to determine if there is a problem and how serious it is and work thru each issue.
If they had a process in place that would ensure the kids get the proper medications until such time as they can hire a new nurse and they were in line with any other schools requirements in the state then ,yes, I would be happy. An employee quits or gets fired everyday, this isn?t unique, parents who are in business know this.
Shouldnt that amount of money buy some amount of security for your child?
I think that is the whole point of the child being there, for most parents, is to be in a safe environment.
Given all the other basics cut off and the often substandard kliving I would think this just might set some parents off.
It just might, is that your motivation to find something to set some parents off? Sounds a little immature.
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No, read my previous post as a result of Deborah?s data. I don?t think it included pharmacies. It was a way to align HLA?s present situation with State requirements/ recommendations, take a look. I think we can conclude the Meds issue and move on
You brought up the pharmacy not me, now youre just trying to dodge the issue. I can see why you want to conclude the meds conversation to be over with, youre losing the argument and want to change the subject. Not uncommon here.
Why do you get so aggressive and uptight? I think we are putting facts on the table and trying to resolve issues, at least I am, I don?t think I appeared to be afraid to address the issues. I think it is important to resolve or at least find consensus on one point at a time, you seem to jump around talking about kids not having enough toilet paper etc. when the issue on the table was dispensing meds.
I explained to you last night, Im not agressive, Im just condescending and mocking towards you because youre a tool. Youve come onto a website discussing a school you know nothing about, discounting peoples experiences you know nothing about, and all the while claiming nuetrality while you ardently defend a school you again know nothing about. As to why youre afraid of the issues, I wouldnt know and again its not my fault you cant keep up with the pace of the convo. The issue for me has always been the truth about HLA. I will use any fact to expose that truth. Try and keep up.
The next issue is since they fired the nurse they are in need of a medical person. This stinks all around (I have been there) and HLA is probably in scramble mode trying to get coverage in case of an emergency. This is not a unique situation we have had several schools in our district whos nursing position went vacant for over a 30 day period. It was not as critical, though, since they were not boarding schools and the kids went home everyday. But in any event the situation sometimes can not be helped and you have to deal with it, it may be the schools fault or the nurses fault.
So yes, the question needs to be answered what they do in case of an emergency. Some questions I would ask is do they have medflight in the area? A local nurse/doctor (not on staff) who is in the area that they could call on. None emergency issues could be handled through car pooling to the nearest doctor I imagine, so that?s not a big deal.
Fine. Imagine you are a student at HLA. Youve just gone to see the receptionist who is playing nurse about a bad stomach ache youre having. Remember you attend a school that will not allow you to discuss with your parents about feeling ill and which holds a policy of "if the child is not visibly ill or injured assume he is faking." Now this receptionist allows you to lay down in the infirmary for a short time and then sends you on your way. You return later and she allows you some pepto. To the untrained staff you have a stomach ache, maybe youre constipated. If the problem persist you may be taken to the doctor in a week or two. Unfortunatly your appendix burst before you get a chance to see the doctor.
Do you see the problem now? Not all medical emergencies are as clear cut as a broken arm. These kids are in real danger and the school doesnt seem to care, all in the name of saving a buck.
If I were a parent I would call and try to raise my comfort level a bit by getting answers to some of the aforementioned questions.
I doubt you would care that much. [ This Message was edited by: RobertBruce on 2006-05-29 19:59 ]
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Okay the class bully, I remember you, you peaked out in highschool.
nope still in grad school. Although i can see why you were picked on.
I am not right or wrong, I am not taking sides, just trying to determine if there is a problem and how serious it is and work thru each issue.
If they had a process in place that would ensure the kids get the proper medications until such time as they can hire a new nurse and they were in line with any other schools requirements in the state then ,yes, I would be happy. An employee quits or gets fired everyday, this isn?t unique, parents who are in business know this.
Okay but what about your kids medical care in the meantime? What if they werent planning on hiring a replacement?
I think that is the whole point of the child being there, for most parents, is to be in a safe environment.
Ummm you dont have to look hard for a dozen reasons why it isnt a safe place for children. Ask if youd like specifics.
It just might, is that your motivation to find something to set some parents off? Sounds a little immature.
My motivation is to see the truth about hla brought to light. If a few parents show some justifiable rage so be it. I dont know that that would be immature but since you brought it up, what is your motivation for being here? Is it mature?
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You brought up the pharmacy not me, now youre just trying to dodge the issue. I can see why you want to conclude the meds conversation to be over with, youre losing the argument and want to change the subject. Not uncommon here.
Well lets take another look, yes earlier on, when we were discussing ?Debbie? handing out meds with no experience a pharmacy. As we collected more information we concluded that HLA was in line with the states requirements and after the nurse was fired they fell below state expectations but where still as good as 75% of the schools in the state. There were no comparisons to pharmacies, please keep up (or read the posts for comprehension)
Fine. Imagine you are a student at HLA. Youve just gone to see the receptionist who is playing nurse about a bad stomach ache youre having. Remember you attend a school that will not allow you to discuss with your parents about feeling ill and which holds a policy of "if the child is not visibly ill or injured assume he is faking." Now this receptionist allows you to lay down in the infirmary for a short time and then sends you on your way. You return later and she allows you some pepto. To the untrained staff you have a stomach ache, maybe youre constipated. If the problem persist you may be taken to the doctor in a week or two. Unfortunatly your appendix burst before you get a chance to see the doctor.
This exactly why they need an interim plan or process. Back up doctor in the area etc. What is standard procedure? What do other programs/schools do ? There must be many other schools who have faced the same problem. Again this isn?t unique.
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nope still in grad school. Although i can see why you were picked on.
Hmmm... Okay
Okay but what about your kids medical care in the meantime? What if they werent planning on hiring a replacement?
I would view that as a problem if they did not plan to hire another medical person.
My motivation is to see the truth about hla brought to light.
A very good way to accomplish your goal is to maintain credibility, stay with the facts and compare them to known requirements or acceptable limits would be my recommendation. One needs to be very specific and factual.
what is your motivation for being here? Is it mature?
I happened along and noticed a flag being raised when it was mentioned that a person was fired which left a void to be filled. I have worked these issues many times to help businesses get back on track.
Helping out is typically considered mature.
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Well now lets see....
Well you quoted requirements for a nurse, great lets go back to our problem statement again:
?It has been confirmed that Tracey Kimbrell, the school nurse LPN was fired last Friday..Maybe
parents should look into who is going to be distributing the 'correct' psychotropic drugs to your children.?
It doesn?t say she is acting as a nurse, just dispensing drugs. Again do we know this is a violation? Local schools do it, our pharmacy does it. Where are the requirements?
You keep going off topic.
There's you just a short time ago.
Yet here's you again suffering from an apparent memory lapse.
Well lets take another look, yes earlier on, when we were discussing ?Debbie? handing out meds with no experience a pharmacy. As we collected more information we concluded that HLA was in line with the states requirements and after the nurse was fired they fell below state expectations but where still as good as 75% of the schools in the state. There were no comparisons to pharmacies, please keep up (or read the posts for comprehension)
See there you compared HLA's practices with that of local schools or a pharmacy. Even though its been established the two have vastly different policies. I told you to ask if you need help, theres really no shame in it.
This exactly why they need an interim plan or process. Back up doctor in the area etc. What is standard procedure? What do other programs/schools do ? There must be many other schools who have faced the same problem. Again this isn?t unique.
Fine but right now there is no interm plan. They have no medical staff whatsoever, no in house doctor visits, and an untrained phone girl playing nurse. How is this safe?
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Who, in case you're under some illusion that your professional skills have somehow solved the single pressing issue at HLA... this is not about one employee being fired. This "nurse/meds" issue is but one piece, comparatively insignificant piece, in a much larger puzzle that has been coming together for a few months.
Numerous (15-20% reportedly) staff have been fired or resigned. Key staff, including the man who has been there since day one. Search "Poole" and have a read.
When you look at the big picture, it's significantly more than, "Opps, lost a nurse, need to replace her." Your professional skills and six pages of dialogue was not necessary to address the flag that was raised, or "get us back on track".
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What you are missing is the state did not include pharmacies in their study. We discussed pharmacies early on as an example, but Deborah data links did not include any reference to pharmacies Take another look:
From Deborahs post:
Update:
Georgia
Education Rule 160-4-8-.01 (2000) requires each school system to develop a Student Services Plan that provides guidelines for its various components including school health services. The state's School Health Nurse Resource Manual provides suggested models for each school system to implement the rule. Each model includes administration of medication as a school nurse function.
http://www.healthinschools.org/sh/mgmtpolicies.asp (http://www.healthinschools.org/sh/mgmtpolicies.asp)
Pertinent to this discussion:
Seventy-five percent of reporting nurses in the 2000 study delegated medication administration to unlicensed assistive personnel (UAPs), with secretaries (66 percent) being the most common. Errors in administering medications were reported by nearly 50 percent of the school nurses, the most common error being missed doses (79 percent). Errors were commonly reported to local school and/or state authorities.
Faced with the growing problem of exposure to liability in conjunction with the administration of medicine (and in many circumstances, the administration of controlled substances), schools have mobilized over the years and demanded both guidance and protection from liability by state legislatures. Not all states have addressed the issue at the state level, and persons needing information are best advised to start with their local school districts.
The study does not provide information on pharmacies in this study. So we need to draw our conclusions based on the comparison to other schools which we have done. Go thru the post again and you will see the progression. We cannot use the pharmacy comparison at this level
Fine but right now there is no interm plan. They have no medical staff whatsoever, no in house doctor visits, and an untrained phone girl playing nurse. How is this safe?
We don?t know this, I believe you are speculating. Again to maintain credibility I want you to provide facts. This what is hurting you, you jumped to conclusions with the dispensing of meds issue and it burned you and now you are doing it again.
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Hmmm... Okay
Im glad weve reached a consensus that you are often picked on.
I would view that as a problem if they did not plan to hire another medical person.
Well then you may have a problem.
A very good way to accomplish your goal is to maintain credibility, stay with the facts and compare them to known requirements or acceptable limits would be my recommendation. One needs to be very specific and factual.
Oh I do all that and more pops. You still seem to be confused on the matter of credibility with you being a concern. The people who come to this site seeking the truth and the people working to force the truth to light hold my credibility to be just fine. Its only the people who want to hide the truth or are unwilling to hear it that have a problem, the funny thing is thats both expected and the point.
I happened along and noticed a flag being raised when it was mentioned that a person was fired which left a void to be filled. I have worked these issues many times to help businesses get back on track.
Helping out is typically considered mature.
I see. Now let me ask you, did anyone ask you for help? Has HLA contacted you for assistiance? If not than you should know in many places adding your unsolicited advice on a matter you know nothing about isnt considered helpful, its considered rude and nosy. Not mature at all.
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Now let me ask you, did anyone ask you for help? Has HLA contacted you for assistiance? If not than you should know in many places adding your unsolicited advice on a matter you know nothing about isnt considered helpful, its considered rude and nosy. Not mature at all.
I am happy we can end the night on a smile. I am sure HLA?s invitation is in the mail, did you get yours yet?
Have a good night
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What you are missing is the state did not include pharmacies in their study. We discussed pharmacies early on as an example, but Deborah data links did not include any reference to pharmacies Take another look:
From Deborahs post:
Update:
Georgia
Education Rule 160-4-8-.01 (2000) requires each school system to develop a Student Services Plan that provides guidelines for its various components including school health services. The state's School Health Nurse Resource Manual provides suggested models for each school system to implement the rule. Each model includes administration of medication as a school nurse function.
http://www.healthinschools.org/sh/mgmtpolicies.asp (http://www.healthinschools.org/sh/mgmtpolicies.asp)
Pertinent to this discussion:
Seventy-five percent of reporting nurses in the 2000 study delegated medication administration to unlicensed assistive personnel (UAPs), with secretaries (66 percent) being the most common. Errors in administering medications were reported by nearly 50 percent of the school nurses, the most common error being missed doses (79 percent). Errors were commonly reported to local school and/or state authorities.
Faced with the growing problem of exposure to liability in conjunction with the administration of medicine (and in many circumstances, the administration of controlled substances), schools have mobilized over the years and demanded both guidance and protection from liability by state legislatures. Not all states have addressed the issue at the state level, and persons needing information are best advised to start with their local school districts.
The study does not provide information on pharmacies in this study. So we need to draw our conclusions based on the comparison to other schools which we have done. Go thru the post again and you will see the progression. We cannot use the pharmacy comparison at this level
If thats the case then I have no idea why you brought the issue up or made the comparison to begin with. Youre getting upset because you were made to look stupid, I would have figured you'd be used to it by now.
We don?t know this,
See here you assume that you and I are privy to the same information. You are wrong, I know a great deal more about the situation than you do. A point Ive been beating into your head all along, you just havent gotten it yet. You should have said "I dont know this, "
I believe you are speculating
You may believe whatever you like, it in no way changes the facts.
Again to maintain credibility I want you to provide facts
You are again confused in thinking anyone cares how credible you believe them to be. When are you going to accept the fact that you know nothing on this issue, thus you are not a person that needs to be won over. On top of the fact that you were to stupid to recognize that facts placed in front of you on this very matter only further illustrates how unimportant you are. Rehash your argument again Ill just shoot it down a second time.
This what is hurting you, you jumped to conclusions with the dispensing of meds issue and it burned you and now you are doing it again.
I didnt jump to any concluscions. I proved that an unqualified person was dispensing meds. I provided the regs which determine who is qualified to dispense meds. I explained how the students were in danger, I evn eshot down your comparrison between public schools in similar situations and pharmacies. Sorry pops you havent burned me, youve just been emphatic on points and refused to answer questions that paint you into a corner.
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I am happy we can end the night on a smile. I am sure HLA?s invitation is in the mail, did you get yours yet?
Have a good night
Oh ive been smiling all night, I usually do that when I laugh. At you that is, watching you try desperatly to convince others you really are as important and itelligent as you think you are. Jumping through all my hoops, biting every time I baited you, and dodging every question you couldnt handle. As to this invite I have no clue what youre babeling about nor do I care. Now I will be out of town on business for the next few days and will not have time to check in on you. Dont worry though there are plenty of other to make you look dumb. So while Im gone see if you cabt abswer all the remaining questions put to you. I doubt it but maybe you'll surprise me.
Take care now. I'll be back in a few days.
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Assuming some staff dont have all their credentials listed on the website, how do we REALLY know she isnt qualified? I think the only staff with credentials listed on the website are counselors and teachers and upper management. Maybe she has CPR training...maybe she was a nurse's assistant at a previous employer. Does anybody REALLY know? I know Robert THINKS he knows based on what the website says. But does anybody know for sure?
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On 2006-05-30 04:09:00, SHH wrote:
"Assuming some staff dont have all their credentials listed on the website, how do we REALLY know she isnt qualified? I think the only staff with credentials listed on the website are counselors and teachers and upper management. Maybe she has CPR training...maybe she was a nurse's assistant at a previous employer. Does anybody REALLY know? I know Robert THINKS he knows based on what the website says. But does anybody know for sure? "
Exactly, Why does he avoid trying to understand the facts
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RobertBruce wrote: I didnt jump to any concluscions. I proved that an unqualified person was dispensing meds.
Actually it was an anon post,
It has been confirmed that Tracey Kimbrell, the school nurse LPN was fired last Friday..Maybe
parents should look into who is going to be distributing the 'correct' psychotropic drugs to your children.
here is a link
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?So ... 1&start=30 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?Sort=&topic=15117&forum=41&start=30)
RobertBruce wrote: I provided the regs which determine who is qualified to dispense meds.
UHmmm, Okay , again, that was someone else, Deborah provided that information Take a look:
Update:
Georgia
Education Rule 160-4-8-.01 (2000) requires each school system to develop a Student Services Plan that provides guidelines for its various components including school health services. The state's School Health Nurse Resource Manual provides suggested models for each school system to implement the rule. Each model includes administration of medication as a school nurse function.
Here is a link.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?So ... &start=104 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?Sort=&mode=viewtopic&topic=15117&forum=41&start=104)
RobertBruce wrote: I explained how the students were in danger, I evn eshot down your comparrison between public schools in similar situations and pharmacies.
Here is where the facts lead us:
Conclusion: The expectations of the state is to have a Nurse manage the dispensing of all medication in a school setting in the State of Georgia.
So When HLA lost their Nurse they fell below expectations outlined by the state of Georgia and I agree this is something the parents should be made aware of.
Also when placed in perspective HLA was providing better services than 75% (exceeding expectations) of the school districts (based on the 2000 study) in the state of Georgia and then joined the 75% (majority) population when they lost their Nurse and the duties were off loaded to a secretary. So they are in line with the rest of Georgia schools.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?So ... &start=118 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?Sort=&topic=15117&forum=41&start=118)
Okay so lets see what you have really contributed over the past several pages. I will use your own words:
RobertBruce Wrote: Jumping through all my hoops, biting every time I baited you?.
This exposes your immaturity.
You added absolutely no value to the conversation except to try to avoid the facts and attempt to deflect the topic onto something else. If you really are in a graduate program at some point you will be asked to defend your position or a paper you have written by your professors and if you try baiting them or avoiding the facts (like you stated that you do here) you will fail miserably. If you find this does work you should check to see if your school is accredited.
There are many of us here who are interested in the truth and providing credible information and if your previous 1,000+ posts are in any way like the past several pages then you have done yourself, fornits and the kids a great disservice.
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You are disgusting..THis is the problem with Fornits, when garbage like you is allowed to
fornicate on this web site...It undermines everything which is good ...
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Wow. Go away for a few days and look what happens.
I think there are some salient points being missed here. HLA is not a "school," as it claims to the state of Georgia. It is a watered-down psychiatric facility that is improperly labeled as a "school" and which does not comply with state regulations for either a school or an RTC.
Since they deal with psychiatric cases (they claim that the vast majority of their attendees are diagnosed with ODD, although there are severely disturbed patients there as well), it is wrong and unethical not to have a full-time medical staff, wheteher or not it is against the law - it doesn't pass the smell test.
Many of these kids are on several medications that need to be monitored, yet there is nobody there doing it because they fired the nurse for economic reasons, not poor performance. So, by their own choice, Who, they decided not to have a nurse there. This is not a vacated position that is going to be back-filled. HLA has made a policy decision to have no medical staff at a facility where there are severely disturbed kids and the vast majority of their population is on meds.
This is a disturbing set of circumstances and one which should be rigorously questioned by the parents of the patients.
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Who, how did you form this conclusion:
"Also when placed in perspective HLA was providing better services than 75% (exceeding expectations) of the school districts (based on the 2000 study) in the state of Georgia and then joined the 75% (majority) population when they lost their Nurse and the duties were off loaded to a secretary. So they are in line with the rest of Georgia schools."
This is 2006, post legislation. Are you saying that 75% of districts currently have no nurses?
I couldn't find anything to support that.
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On 2006-05-30 08:41:00, Deborah wrote:
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Who, how did you form this conclusion:
"Also when placed in perspective HLA was providing better services than 75% (exceeding expectations) of the school districts (based on the 2000 study) in the state of Georgia and then joined the 75% (majority) population when they lost their Nurse and the duties were off loaded to a secretary. So they are in line with the rest of Georgia schools."
This is 2006, post legislation. Are you saying that 75% of districts currently have no nurses?
I couldn't find anything to support that.
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Yeah, I guess that is a little confusing. I read the report as stating that 75% of the nurses delegated their responsibilities of dispensing meds to unqualified people , secretaries etc. When HLA had a nurse I am lead to believe that she was handing out the meds so HLA was exceeding expectations or doing better than 75% of the other schools.
When HLA lost their nurse then the responsibilities went to a unqualified person which now falls into the 75% population (as compared to the 2000 study).
I am not sure what the 2006 stats are, but, no, I am not saying that ?75% of districts currently have no nurses?
I think HLA needs to get a nurse in place ASAP ! Especially if they are located in a remote area.
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I think they should have a nurse too, however, I lived there where the school is for 4 years, and town wasnt all that far away. The hospital is 10 miles away, they have a helicopter, and the Army Rangers have one too and they are about 2 miles away. It is remote if you have to walk somewhere, but its a 10 min drive to town where the hospital is. That being said, I think every school should have a nurse, public, private, etc.
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When HLA lost their nurse...
Let me reiterate: HLA fired their nurse. She wasn't lost.
They should have had a replacement in place before they let her go. Having no nurse there is grossly negligent - a fact that will be sadly illustrated when someone gets hurt or worse.
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On 2006-05-30 10:58:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
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When HLA lost their nurse...
Let me reiterate: HLA fired their nurse. She wasn't lost.
They should have had a replacement in place before they let her go. Having no nurse there is grossly negligent - a fact that will be sadly illustrated when someone gets hurt or worse.
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I don?t think it matters, either way there is a void. If the school feels there is a need the void will be filled ASAP, the situation is far from grossly negligent, it happens everyday throughout the country. There are no schools or companies that are immune.
The point of whether she was fired, let go, laid off, quit, resigned or gave notice is mute. The question now is how to back-fill and define a process the covers the kids in case of an emergency. The school has probably been advised and have something in place. If I had a child there I would call and find out what is in place short term.
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It should and does matter that she was fired.
One, they knew in advance that there would be no nurse on the premises.
Two, they should have had a competent professional in place for the "interim."
You don't think it's negligent not to have medical personnel on a campus where in the past they have had suicide attempts, forcible rape/sodomy, assaults and other traumas, not to mention that the vast majority of the students are on cocktails of serious psychotropic and other medications that if mixed could cause death?
If you do indeed view this as "not negligent" then you have a serious defecit in your ability to reason.
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Maybe they had no choice and she had to go immediately.
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See, you're guessing. I'm not. That's the problem with a lot of what you say.
I guess you haven't even read the other threads.
She was let go to save money. This is the same reason why there are no doctor visits on campus any longer. The same reason why there is no dentist, even though the facilities for dental exams are right there on campus.
When you get into discussions about which you don't even know the basics you erode your own credibility and do a disservice to people who actually need real information. All you have done is speculate while others have access to the real information about which you only can provide raw speculation.
I'll give you credit for one thing though. At least this time while you were making the excuse for the facility you said "maybe." That's a step up from your usual practice of just fabricating all the details and then presenting them as if they had some bearing on reality. Good job.
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On 2006-05-30 13:58:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"See, you're guessing. I'm not. That's the problem with a lot of what you say.
I guess you haven't even read the other threads.
She was let go to save money. This is the same reason why there are no doctor visits on campus any longer. The same reason why there is no dentist, even though the facilities for dental exams are right there on campus.
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No we are both guessing. That information is not going to be given out to even their own staff let alone someone on fornits. There may be some rumors that leak out but the reason is kept behind closed doors.
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No we are both guessing. That information is not going to be given out to even their own staff let alone someone on fornits. There may be some rumors that leak out but the reason is kept behind closed doors."
Once again, you're totally wrong. I have people still employed there that I am friendly with, one of whom has everything to do with hiring/firing. I'm not guessing. Not only am I not guessing, I reviewed a copy of the email instructing HR to fire her that was accidentally sent to the nurse when the boss hit "reply all" instead of "reply" in his email application.
Again, Who, you're completely wrong. And maybe you're most wrong when you say "all businesses" or "acepted business practice," etc when HLA bears little resemblence to a professional workplace and has management and ownership with the tact, skill and professionalism of cavemen.
Stick to what you know, Who. Go do a customer satisfaction survey in your call center. You don't know a damn thing about HLA and every time you open your mouth you prove it yet again.
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Once again, you're totally wrong. I have people still employed there that I am friendly with, one of whom has everything to do with hiring/firing. I'm not guessing. Not only am I not guessing, I reviewed a copy of the email instructing HR to fire her that was accidentally sent to the nurse when the boss hit "reply all" instead of "reply" in his email application.
Are you kidding!!! You have friends on the inside {who know everything) and they conveniently hit the ?Reply all button? (by accident) on the issue that I happen to challenge you on, wow, DJ you do go to extremes to win an argument. Not only does this not pass the smell test (as you say), but the Nurse got a copy before she was fired ,LOL, this is beautiful (you should at least change your story to laid off , this is what they call it when they reduce staff to cut costs). I think you took this from an old SNL sketch. Lets see Dan akroyd played the HR person and the Nurse was Roseanne Rosanadana and John Belushi was the one who pushed the big red ?Reply all? button and then says ?why do we keep such an email trail when we are corrupt and trying to hide our expenses??... Oh, but they didn?t have email back then, darn so I guess your story is original.
I gave you a chance to edit your post before responding just to be fair, jeeeese DJ that?s embarrassing. They just have to be falling out of their chairs laughing over at HLA.
At least pick an issue that is worth the ridicule.
Lets leave it at ?We both don?t know ?. If others buy your story you get a leg up. You do get points for originality.
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I don't get it Mr. Who. Why are you supporting less service for the kids? In the past you have agreed that kids would better served with more and better qualified staff. Your credability as a party interested in the welfare and treatment of young residents is damaged when you proffer the argument that a diminution of vital service is acceptable.[ This Message was edited by: Badpuppy on 2006-05-30 17:15 ]
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Steve? I typed something here and changed my mind...Let me just say this.....your story is incorrect about the nurse. Check your own posts on here and youll see what Im talking about. YOuve got 2 people mixed up.
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On 2006-05-30 17:14:00, Badpuppy wrote:
"I don't get it Mr. Who. Why are you supporting less service for the kids? In the past you have agreed that kids would better served with more and better qualified staff. Your credability as a party interested in the welfare and treatment of young residents is damaged when you proffer the argument that a diminution of vital service is acceptable.[ This Message was edited by: Badpuppy on 2006-05-30 17:15 ]"
I do and I believe one should always take the high road. I don?t believe that these schools are in the business to harm children and that they wake up each morning and say ?Lets damage some kids and put their lives in jeopardy?. I believe many of these schools can really help kids and put them back on track. Some places may be misguided and have harmful portions to their programs. But the kids would be better served if we can improve the system, push for oversight and state regulations. Better define the types of kids who would benefit from them and keep others away.
There are many regular posters on fornits who could care less about the kids and are only here for their own personal war against some specific people they use to work with and are using the kids as means to that end.
Why is it so critical to have a dentist on staff? Why is this a major issue, because they care about the kids? I think we both know the real reason. How many other schools have dentists? Are the kids being put in harms way because of this?
When HLA lost their nurse, some people wanted to use this as a means to get parents to remove their kids from HLA and maybe they succeeded in a few but probably not. But did they stop to think about the kids still there? What process was in place for them? Was the receptionist qualified? What does state regulations suggest? What is being done for them? When I brought up these questions I received nothing but resistance and immature baiting, no one cared. Debrorah seemed to care and was able to locate some state requirements and statistics which did support that a nurse was needed to meet states guidelines and also indicated that having a receptionist hand out meds was not all that uncommon. This did not sit too well with those who wanted the school to look bad not help the kids.
I think the kids could end up being the losers from these personal wars. There is so much energy and passion here that if focused in the right way could really do some good for some of these children.
Anyway, just an observation, I?ll step down now.
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Good post, Who. You are right- the outrage on this forum is not about saving kids, but about everyone's personal agenda. Steve (DJ) is pissed at HLA, Deborah is pissed because her kid got sent to HLA against her wishes..... it's all their own little personal battle. If they picked the wrong color paint to paint the front doorway at HLA, DJ would want the place closed down. It's all crap.
Oh-those of you who think Who is a man are nuts. It is a distinctly feminine writing style. That's fine, but this is not a male. Good points, Who.
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And you're another sockpuppet. Again.
TheWho has nothing but raw denial to go on, as DJ is owning his ass from here to Nantucket.
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DJ owning someone's ass? THAT is the funniest post on this whole forum. DJ is a pompous, disgruntled former employee who does nothing but toot his own horn and embarrass himself. He has probably done more to HELP Hidden Lake than anyone in the country. His views are so absurd that no one pays any attention.
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On 2006-05-30 18:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Good post, Who. You are right- the outrage on this forum is not about saving kids, but about everyone's personal agenda. Steve (DJ) is pissed at HLA, Deborah is pissed because her kid got sent to HLA against her wishes..... it's all their own little personal battle. If they picked the wrong color paint to paint the front doorway at HLA, DJ would want the place closed down. It's all crap.
Oh-those of you who think Who is a man are nuts. It is a distinctly feminine writing style. That's fine, but this is not a male. Good points, Who."
Karen,
My son wouldn't have been placed against my wishes had the HLA rep not collaborated with my ex and perjured herself in court. I realize it's next to impossible for a mother who boards her children to understand another's pain of loosing two years with a child unnecessarily. Or the shock and pain of hearing that my neighbor was killed due to medical neglect in a wilderness program. Or to understand the pain and embarrassment in my friend's eyes when she told me of her grandson's molestation in a program. Or the pain in my friend's heart and tears streaming down her face as she recounted that being raped by a trucker was less traumatic than the program her mommy dearest sent her to.
I am entitled to be outraged when I feel it.
I'm entitled to be pissed about what happened to me and my son, but that is not the sole reason I'm here. This industry has hurt many people close to me. Your opinion of me is just so insignificant and you're hardly the person to assign judgement.
Direct your frustration elsewhere. I am not your impersonator, I don't do 'research' on you, and I made no false statements about Carlbrook. I know you're desperate to figure this out, but it's not me.
As far as Who's gender, S/he claimed to be Alan Newman of Newton with a big penis. Did you hear that from the horses mouth?
So, Who's a female, a natural blonde from Mass who is/was friendly with Rudy Bentz. Hmm.
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Sorry, Deb. Not Karen, not female. Guess again.
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Are you kidding!!! You have friends on the inside {who know everything) and they conveniently hit the ?Reply all button? (by accident) on the issue that I happen to challenge you on, wow, DJ you do go to extremes to win an argument.
Have you read any of the other threads, Who? You are completely WRONG AGAIN. How do you think I have an entire email string from several management personnel detailing the fact HLA has had pedophiles/rapists/sociopaths, etc on campus.
Give it a rest. I posted those emails in their entirety when people like you were saying the same things you're saying now. Go back and read before you act like even more of a dummy.
To answer your question: YES, I do have people on the "inside" who are willing to provide information to force HLA to provide adequate services and a safe environment for the kids. You're so eager to say that I DON'T have this type of information that you make an ass of yourself by NOT READING the threads you attempt to comment upon where these emails (that you claim simply CAN'T BE HAD) are already posted and have been for months.
Like I said, go back to your call center and handle some business you may be actually qualified to do. You've been proven wrong time and again, yet you are singularly unable to disqualify anything I have said.
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On 2006-05-30 17:44:00, SHH wrote:
"Steve? I typed something here and changed my mind...Let me just say this.....your story is incorrect about the nurse. Check your own posts on here and youll see what Im talking about. YOuve got 2 people mixed up.
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Yes, you're right. Sorry. The emails I have reviewed were in regard to Pam G. However, the same person who provided that information gave me the information regarding the nurse. I stand corrected on the documentation, but not the fact that she was willingly let go (along with the entire healthcare staff/program) without a replacement and with no plan to make a replacement in the future.
Once more, it's wrong, unethical and negligent to have no healthcare staff avaialble on a campus where violent assaults, suicide attempts and rapes have happened.
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Last post is mine.
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On 2006-05-31 04:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Sorry, Deb. Not Karen, not female. Guess again. "
You're big on programs. Every consider Liars Anonymous, Imposters Anonymous?
Not proud of your rude comments? Afraid some struggling parent might read your rude comments and question your integrity. Remember, pretentiousness kills. :skull:
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Come on, Deb. You have the IP addresses. You know who I am. Seems like YOU are the liar.
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On 2006-05-31 05:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Come on, Deb. You have the IP addresses. You know who I am. Seems like YOU are the liar."
Instead of arguing about who you are, why not just allow all your posts to be strung together?
Then this silly game will be all over and everyone will know where they stand.
Since you're not embarrassed about anything and have always taken the high road, you'll have no problem with linking all of your posts, right?
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On 2006-05-31 05:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Come on, Deb. You have the IP addresses. You know who I am. Seems like YOU are the liar."
As a matter of fact:
RandomWalk
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Katfish and Nihilanthic are anti-program zealots who wandered over to this forum to convince everyone that all programs are bad and should be strictly regulated. Katfish is a little more subtle than Nihilanthic.
Just warning you- these are NOT parents who are here to support you in your efforts with your teen. They are here to shame you if you choose a residential placement.
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Karen,
Why are you opposed to programs being stictly regulated?
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On 2006-05-31 05:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-31 05:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Come on, Deb. You have the IP addresses. You know who I am. Seems like YOU are the liar."
Instead of arguing about who you are, why not just allow all your posts to be strung together?
Then this silly game will be all over and everyone will know where they stand.
Since you're not embarrassed about anything and have always taken the high road, you'll have no problem with linking all of your posts, right?"
Ditto. That can be taken care of today, if you like. Be responsible and accountable. Isn't that the mantra?
You could even pick your username. What do you say?
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On 2006-05-30 19:10:00, Anonymous wrote:
"His (DJ's) views are so absurd that no one pays any attention."
You do. You read every word with rapt attention. Not only that, but you go as far as to impersonate me, comment upon everything I say and follow me from thread to thread, forum to forum.
For somebody as "insignificant" as I am, you sure invest a LOT of energy in keeping tabs on everything I do.
Ever thought about, perhaps, getting a life and finding something to do with yourself?
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Now THAT is funny. Only a precious few around here are allowed to call Fornits their life. Anyone else showing up, of course, has no life.
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I OWN this thread and only I am allowed to claim it as MY LIFE. Anyone who disagrees with me or Deborah (she is my Assistant)is known as KARENINDALLAS. There are no other people who would DARE to disagree with me, so they are ALL my one troll who I have named KareninDallas. Only Deborah, RobertBruce and I are allowed to insult people and claim to be omnipotent on matters HLA related (and in my case, on ALL programs).
Do not cross me, or you too will be named KareninDallas. Deborah and I will expose you and punish you.
I have a life. It is fornits. I am a mental health professional and I RULE this forum.
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I take that as a No, you aren't ready to be 'responsible and accountable' for the comments you make and behaviors you assign to others.
I also take it that you're not here to contribute to the discussion, but to distract.
What is your position on the industry being strictly regulated? How could that possibly not be in the kids best interest?
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On 2006-05-31 07:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Now THAT is funny. Only a precious few around here are allowed to call Fornits their life. Anyone else showing up, of course, has no life."
No, anyone else who uses Fornits for the sole and only purpose of trolling (like Carlbrook Troll Mom who can't even control herself when she's on a trip away from home - she MUST TROLL - it's a sickness).
Some of the people here present the facts and inform the public of the state of the situation at HLA. Others are here only to mess with people and serve no purpose. That's the difference. I've yet to see any of you even attempt to refute the points, you only prattle on with insults and distractions.
Let's face it, you know nothing about HLA and can't discuss it intelligently, so you spend eight or ten hours a day trolling. I thought you said you "have a life"? With no job and your kids locked up in a program, I can see how you'd be looking for something meaningful to do with your time.
Carlbrook Troll Mom is in love with me. She obsesses about me constantly and cannot help the obsessive thoughts and compulsive actions surrounding her desire for me (she sends me dirty PM's, too).
"Imitation (even poor) is the highest form of flattery."
You're so sweet, Carlbrook Troll Mom. Thanks for checking in...
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"Compassion is the basis of morality."
-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-05-31 09:09 ]
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On 2006-05-31 07:44:00, Dysfunktionjunktion wrote:
"I OWN this thread and only I am allowed to claim it as MY LIFE. Anyone who disagrees with me or Deborah (she is my Assistant)is known as KARENINDALLAS. There are no other people who would DARE to disagree with me, so they are ALL my one troll who I have named KareninDallas. Only Deborah, RobertBruce and I are allowed to insult people and claim to be omnipotent on matters HLA related (and in my case, on ALL programs).
Do not cross me, or you too will be named KareninDallas. Deborah and I will expose you and punish you.
I have a life. It is fornits. I am a mental health professional and I RULE this forum."
Dysfunktionjunktion-- what about the rest of us: the Carlsbrook mom, me (Ottawa) and the dozens of others who the original,unimproved DJ has insulted?
Insulted, and I might add, threatened and pontificated against with his repetitious straw-men-oh-so-superior arguments?
Don't we get special-DJ-troll status too, even a disturbed person like DJ must realize that his trool is really different people. I mean maybe only a handful of people on this earth would dare defy somebody as brilliant as him, but that's still more than just one isn't it?
Now my post will very likely to elicit two things:
1) Deb (that old lard-laden Southern biscuit) will lumber in, painstakingly trying to sound like she's got a clue. Probably she'll start going on about IP addresses (presumably procured through some unimaginable act or other from Antigen/Eudora).
Or maybe a li'l rant about how many posts various people have made (which for any of these web rats is really like the pot calling the kettle black, isn't it?)
2) Robert will say something unintelligible and/or inane.
3) DJ (or perhaps a convenient and sudden anon) will start posting IP addresses, phone numbers and satellite maps of people's houses. Cuz everybody here knows that's cool, original and scary.
Oh well.
One is struck by how nothing changes here, the same arguments, the same outcomes, the same stale old one-note-piano regulars. You only really see it in true perspective by going away for some time and coming back to it.
Hence people like DJ and Deb have no perspective at all.
But getting back to you Dysfunktionjunktion: looking through your early posts: cudos on the priceless satire about DJ as the unappreciated counselor who loved his little charges so much that HLA ditched him.
I also noticed that especially when you first appeared on the scene the real DJ would always get real scarce real fast. Like right off the thread and on to another.
Not even an attempt at refutation except of course through his minions.
What's that about? It isn't like Steve can usually refrain from some specious insult when crossed at all. And you've crossed him real good.
So is it just that he knows it's pretty hopeless to fight back against well-done satire?
Or is there something that he thinks you're holding back in your satire of him that scares the bejeezus out of him and runs him off when you appear on the scene?
I'll be checkin' out now (those of us with lives must, you know) but definitely will be checkin' in in the future for Dysfunktion's next episode!
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Uh-oh... Annie's getting a little jealous of all the attention Karen gets. Don't cry, Annie. ::crybaby:: ::crybaby:: ::crybaby:: ::crybaby:: ::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry::
:lol:
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Who are you? And why are you bothering with all your dribble? These are good people...selfless,
unlike you..
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Intelligent and well said. Thank you. :nworthy:
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On 2006-05-31 12:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Who are you? And why are you bothering with all your dribble? These are good people...selfless,
unlike you.."
Unfortunately, you're not going to get anywhere with that type of talk. This lady is the ultimate self-centered bully.
Read her thread and see what people who actually know her have to say about her. She really needs help.
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She is whacked..
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Your mom is whacked
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Is that all you have to say? How do you know it is this Annie person?
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if you read Ottawa's posts you'll be able to identify her too, without the benefit of any IP address. she and karen are poster parents for the industry.
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this thread lost any value or usefulness somewhere around page 3 or 4. let them have their fun. they'll run out of boring distractions before too long.
hey who, are you part of their desperate parents club?
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On 2006-05-31 04:57:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
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Are you kidding!!! You have friends on the inside {who know everything) and they conveniently hit the ?Reply all button? (by accident) on the issue that I happen to challenge you on, wow, DJ you do go to extremes to win an argument.
Have you read any of the other threads, Who? You are completely WRONG AGAIN. How do you think I have an entire email string from several management personnel detailing the fact HLA has had pedophiles/rapists/sociopaths, etc on campus.
Give it a rest. I posted those emails in their entirety when people like you were saying the same things you're saying now. Go back and read before you act like even more of a dummy.
To answer your question: YES, I do have people on the "inside" who are willing to provide information to force HLA to provide adequate services and a safe environment for the kids. You're so eager to say that I DON'T have this type of information that you make an ass of yourself by NOT READING the threads you attempt to comment upon where these emails (that you claim simply CAN'T BE HAD) are already posted and have been for months.
Like I said, go back to your call center and handle some business you may be actually qualified to do. You've been proven wrong time and again, yet you are singularly unable to disqualify anything I have said.
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Sorry, DJ, I consider myself very open minded but I cant believe what you say on this one. I?m am sure there are plenty of people who believe you so you don?t need my backing to keep your ego afloat. So where we left off was determining what type of back-up the school had now that there is no full time nurse. I am not sure about Ga, but for high schools in other states they have traveling nurses who spend a day at each school and are on call for emergencies or utilize a local medical facility. Does anyone know what other schools in the state do to handle this?
Does anyone know how far HLA is from the nearest medical facility? Or doctors office? It would be nice to know how exposed these children are.
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Who Ive posted this information twice in the past 3 days regarding the distance that HLA is from medical facilities. I used to live on campus for 4 years. The school is 9 miles from the city limits of Dahlonega. The hospital is 10 miles from HLA's driveway. There are also several doctors offices in town and several dentists. The hospital has access to lifeflight helicopter, but in addition, the Army Ranger camp is 2 miles from HLA, and they have a medevac helicopter too. I would consider the school rural, but not "isolated". You can drive to town in 10 minutes.
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On 2006-05-31 16:48:00, SHH wrote:
"Who Ive posted this information twice in the past 3 days regarding the distance that HLA is from medical facilities. I used to live on campus for 4 years. The school is 9 miles from the city limits of Dahlonega. The hospital is 10 miles from HLA's driveway. There are also several doctors offices in town and several dentists. The hospital has access to lifeflight helicopter, but in addition, the Army Ranger camp is 2 miles from HLA, and they have a medevac helicopter too. I would consider the school rural, but not "isolated". You can drive to town in 10 minutes."
Yes you did, I sort of spaced out I guess. So it seems they are in line with some of the high schools which lack nurses (no better or no worse off). But as you stated in one of your previous posts all schools in the state should have a nurse on site and I agree.
If costs are the main issue for the cut backs they could look into sharing a nurse with other schools in the area to help reduce the kids exposure or have a nurse from town travel in a few times per week.
These are some suggestions for any of the parents who may be calling HLA to inquire, they could pose these options.
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Hi everyone....
I have a half-brother at HLA. I will not say anymore about his id in case some from HLA monitor these boards. I want to help fight these people. I had a bad feeling about this place...and I hate it when I am right (I tend to be a Cassandra about impending disaster and the like).
His mom is a well-meaning, but out of her depth parent who isn't dealing well with her own issues regarding a messy divorce with my father...who did more to screw my brother up than anything else. And yeah...some damn Ed Con talked her into it..even had my wife convinced. But now...with Ranger School grads (wearing Army green does not make you qualified to work with troubled teens who have enough trust and adjustment issues) and "Andersonville-Lite" for the kiddies, it's enough to make me see red. I want to help. I may be in NYC, but these folks have made war on my family by selling them a pack of lies, and I intend to see it through by seeing this place be brought down.
Tours l'Audace people!
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Are you talking about Ridge Creek or HLA? There arent that many Army Ranger retirees at HLA. The Ridge Creek facility is a shorter term wilderness place. Is that what youre referring to?
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Sorry, DJ, I consider myself very open minded but I cant believe what you say on this one.
Isn't it you that keeps saying "the proof's in the pudding"? Well, eat up.
From: Clarke Poole
Sent: Sat 2/25/2006 9:57 PM
To: Nicole Fuglsang; Bill Gray Jr.; Len Buccellato; John McMillon; John McMillon; David Reifenberger; David Jordan; Mark Keith; Christy Jones
Subject: FW: HLA Student Profile.....
Nicole,
I can understand precisely why you said you do not want to continue to address my concerns over student safety and unethical practices on e-mail. However, there are several final points I want to make for the record.
(1) You stated with total certainty that two of the students referred to below received "significant financial aid because their families could not afford the HLA tuition." Upon my questioning the accuracy and veracity of your statement, you also said "I know because I was a part of the approval process while they were at RCI and then moved on to HLA. I know for a fact the level of aid they were getting at RCI & HLA as I worked with both families directly. I am the source of this information." The adamancy with which you state your position is compelling. However, it is totally false.
I went to Bill Gray's office at 4:30 Friday afternoon and asked him to personally check the financial records for the three students in question as a means to help me refresh my memory. He did so in my presence. None of these students received one cent of financial aid. (Jane Doe 1)?s family received the Ridge Creek rebate the first month she attended Hidden Lake Academy, rather than the third month as is normally the case. However, the amount of tuition paid by her family was exactly the same as any other family. There was no financial aid requested or granted to any of these three families, period. This raises the question in my mind as to why you so steadfastly insisted that you were right in spite of my urging you to check your facts.
The whole business of financial aid was, of course, a red herring designed to deflect the focus away from the point of my letter: that the safety of Hidden Lake Academy students is being compromised by the improper and unethical admission of totally inappropriate and dangerous students. As I noted, it had nothing whatsoever to do with the concerns I had raised. Just for the record, (John Doe 2)?s psychological evaluation, conducted and signed by Len Buccellato, includes a diagnosis of Schizoaffective Disorder, Pedophilia, and Personality Disorder with Antisocial Features. I am still waiting for your response as to why this boy, as well as the others, was approved by Len Buccellato to attend Hidden Lake Academy.
(2) You are the Director of Public Relations for both Hidden Lake Academy and Ridge Creek, as well as Director of Admissions for both institutions. In this job, you are the public face and voice of both programs. It would stand to reason that we would want in this very important position someone whose integrity is above reproach, since you speak for both programs. The fact that you intentionally attempted to mislead, obfuscate, and deflect rather than address honestly my concerns regarding student safety and ethical placement is, in my opinion, an insult not just to me, but to everyone in either of these schools, students and staff alike, as well as the parents of students and the educational consultants who they hired to assist with placement.
On January 31, 2006, you sent out a notice to all staff, and perhaps others outside HLA, that the "new student riding program will be completely operational by February 1st, 2006". It was obvious to all with eyes that this was impossible, since it was nothing more than a small area of scraped dirt the day before. I sent a reply to you stating "This is exactly what gets us in trouble with parents and consultants." I never received a reply. The "riding program" is still in exactly the same shape as it was the day you sent the announcement... no horses, no program.
If this approach to "public relations" is condoned by management, then it is no wonder we are constantly losing both students and staff. It is wrong, dishonest, and shameful.
(3) I am still waiting for answers to the questions I raised with you regarding admissions policy. In my capacity as senior admissions coordinator, I have an ethical responsibility to the parents and educational consultants with whom I work to be able to assure them that their children and clients are safe in this environment and properly placed here according to their needs and our ability to successfully address those needs. I am requesting a face-to-face meeting with you and with Len Buccellato to assure me that policy will be changed and those crucial issues properly addressed. I am also requesting that David Reifenberger, Director of Human Resources, also be present. Unless I am granted this meeting and in it given personal assurances by Len Buccellato that these concerns and others that I intend to raise will be immediately and honestly addressed, I have no choice but to tender my resignation in accordance with proceedures proscribed in the HLA Employee Handbook effective at close of business on March 15, 2006.
I am copying Len Buccellato, owner of HLA; Bill Grey, Director of Operations, HLA; John McMillon and Christy Jones, Director and Associate Director of Counseling for HLA, respectively, who you copied on your original e-mail; David Reifenberger, Director of Human Resources; David Jordan, Director of Counseling for Ridge Creek; and Mark Keith, Director of Operations for Ridge Creek.
Sincerely,
Clarke Poole
Who, again, you can believe what you want, but you are wrong, 100% wrong. Where do you think these emails came from? Fell out of the sky? How can I get information like this without it being "leaked" directly from the facility?
The fact of the matter is that there are some people there who believe the kids should recieve quality care and they have no confidence in the owner because he's made such a mess of the place. Those people are willing to stick their neck out to force the issue, even if just by public opinion for the time being. Let's suffice it to say that you really just have no idea on this one.
Maybe if you actually read the threads before you commented, you wouldn't be so silly.
Now go and eat your pudding.
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If costs are the main issue for the cut backs they could look into sharing a nurse with other schools in the area to help reduce the kids exposure or have a nurse from town travel in a few times per week.
Now this is a constructive thought.
The question is, if you can see a common sense solution to a serious, potentially life-threatening problem, why can't the so-called "professionals" at HLA see this?
Makes ya wonder!
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Dysfunktionjunktion
Familiar Face
Joined: 2006-04-22
Posts: 23 Posted: 2006-04-22 07:02:00
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I should add that I don't have kids. I really don't know anything about children since all I do is type on a keyboard. I tried to learn about kids at Hidden Lake. They were so cute- I just wanted to hug and kiss them all. My boss didn't like that. That is part of why I got fired.
Does anyone know of a job I can have?
What more is there to say??
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On 2006-05-31 17:32:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
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Sorry, DJ, I consider myself very open minded but I cant believe what you say on this one.
Isn't it you that keeps saying "the proof's in the pudding"? Well, eat up.
From: Clarke Poole
Sent: Sat 2/25/2006 9:57 PM
To: Nicole Fuglsang; Bill Gray Jr.; Len Buccellato; John McMillon; John McMillon; David Reifenberger; David Jordan; Mark Keith; Christy Jones
Subject: FW: HLA Student Profile.....
Nicole,
I can understand precisely why you said you do not want to continue to address my concerns over student safety and unethical practices on e-mail. However, there are several final points I want to make for the record.
(1) You stated with total certainty that two of the students referred to below received "significant financial aid because their families could not afford the HLA tuition." Upon my questioning the accuracy and veracity of your statement, you also said "I know because I was a part of the approval process while they were at RCI and then moved on to HLA. I know for a fact the level of aid they were getting at RCI & HLA as I worked with both families directly. I am the source of this information." The adamancy with which you state your position is compelling. However, it is totally false.
I went to Bill Gray's office at 4:30 Friday afternoon and asked him to personally check the financial records for the three students in question as a means to help me refresh my memory. He did so in my presence. None of these students received one cent of financial aid. (Jane Doe 1)?s family received the Ridge Creek rebate the first month she attended Hidden Lake Academy, rather than the third month as is normally the case. However, the amount of tuition paid by her family was exactly the same as any other family. There was no financial aid requested or granted to any of these three families, period. This raises the question in my mind as to why you so steadfastly insisted that you were right in spite of my urging you to check your facts.
The whole business of financial aid was, of course, a red herring designed to deflect the focus away from the point of my letter: that the safety of Hidden Lake Academy students is being compromised by the improper and unethical admission of totally inappropriate and dangerous students. As I noted, it had nothing whatsoever to do with the concerns I had raised. Just for the record, (John Doe 2)?s psychological evaluation, conducted and signed by Len Buccellato, includes a diagnosis of Schizoaffective Disorder, Pedophilia, and Personality Disorder with Antisocial Features. I am still waiting for your response as to why this boy, as well as the others, was approved by Len Buccellato to attend Hidden Lake Academy.
(2) You are the Director of Public Relations for both Hidden Lake Academy and Ridge Creek, as well as Director of Admissions for both institutions. In this job, you are the public face and voice of both programs. It would stand to reason that we would want in this very important position someone whose integrity is above reproach, since you speak for both programs. The fact that you intentionally attempted to mislead, obfuscate, and deflect rather than address honestly my concerns regarding student safety and ethical placement is, in my opinion, an insult not just to me, but to everyone in either of these schools, students and staff alike, as well as the parents of students and the educational consultants who they hired to assist with placement.
On January 31, 2006, you sent out a notice to all staff, and perhaps others outside HLA, that the "new student riding program will be completely operational by February 1st, 2006". It was obvious to all with eyes that this was impossible, since it was nothing more than a small area of scraped dirt the day before. I sent a reply to you stating "This is exactly what gets us in trouble with parents and consultants." I never received a reply. The "riding program" is still in exactly the same shape as it was the day you sent the announcement... no horses, no program.
If this approach to "public relations" is condoned by management, then it is no wonder we are constantly losing both students and staff. It is wrong, dishonest, and shameful.
(3) I am still waiting for answers to the questions I raised with you regarding admissions policy. In my capacity as senior admissions coordinator, I have an ethical responsibility to the parents and educational consultants with whom I work to be able to assure them that their children and clients are safe in this environment and properly placed here according to their needs and our ability to successfully address those needs. I am requesting a face-to-face meeting with you and with Len Buccellato to assure me that policy will be changed and those crucial issues properly addressed. I am also requesting that David Reifenberger, Director of Human Resources, also be present. Unless I am granted this meeting and in it given personal assurances by Len Buccellato that these concerns and others that I intend to raise will be immediately and honestly addressed, I have no choice but to tender my resignation in accordance with proceedures proscribed in the HLA Employee Handbook effective at close of business on March 15, 2006.
I am copying Len Buccellato, owner of HLA; Bill Grey, Director of Operations, HLA; John McMillon and Christy Jones, Director and Associate Director of Counseling for HLA, respectively, who you copied on your original e-mail; David Reifenberger, Director of Human Resources; David Jordan, Director of Counseling for Ridge Creek; and Mark Keith, Director of Operations for Ridge Creek.
Sincerely,
Clarke Poole
Who, again, you can believe what you want, but you are wrong, 100% wrong. Where do you think these emails came from? Fell out of the sky? How can I get information like this without it being "leaked" directly from the facility?
The fact of the matter is that there are some people there who believe the kids should recieve quality care and they have no confidence in the owner because he's made such a mess of the place. Those people are willing to stick their neck out to force the issue, even if just by public opinion for the time being. Let's suffice it to say that you really just have no idea on this one.
Maybe if you actually read the threads before you commented, you wouldn't be so silly.
Now go and eat your pudding.
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I am still not buying it, no offense, anyone could have written it and/or changed dialog etc. HLA, I am sure, is monitoring this site from time to time and will see what is posted and figure out in a heart beat whats going on. I know companies 10 times their size that could figure out who it is in a second. I am not saying you wrote it, but it doesnt add up to me, it doesnt read right. It really doesnt matter anyway. It doesnt change anything with me either way
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On 2006-05-31 17:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hi everyone....
I have a half-brother at HLA. I will not say anymore about his id in case some from HLA monitor these boards. I want to help fight these people. I had a bad feeling about this place...and I hate it when I am right (I tend to be a Cassandra about impending disaster and the like).
His mom is a well-meaning, but out of her depth parent who isn't dealing well with her own issues regarding a messy divorce with my father...who did more to screw my brother up than anything else. And yeah...some damn Ed Con talked her into it..even had my wife convinced. But now...with Ranger School grads (wearing Army green does not make you qualified to work with troubled teens who have enough trust and adjustment issues) and "Andersonville-Lite" for the kiddies, it's enough to make me see red. I want to help. I may be in NYC, but these folks have made war on my family by selling them a pack of lies, and I intend to see it through by seeing this place be brought down.
Tours l'Audace people!"
Hey. Welcome.
You kinda jumped in in the middle of a troll war... sorry. I'm going to start a new thread and repost your message under "Half-brother at HLA"
Deborah-- moderator
[ This Message was edited by: Deborah on 2006-05-31 19:26 ]
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On 2006-05-31 19:05:00, Deborah wrote:
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On 2006-05-31 17:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hi everyone....
I have a half-brother at HLA. I will not say anymore about his id in case some from HLA monitor these boards. I want to help fight these people. I had a bad feeling about this place...and I hate it when I am right (I tend to be a Cassandra about impending disaster and the like).
His mom is a well-meaning, but out of her depth parent who isn't dealing well with her own issues regarding a messy divorce with my father...who did more to screw my brother up than anything else. And yeah...some damn Ed Con talked her into it..even had my wife convinced. But now...with Ranger School grads (wearing Army green does not make you qualified to work with troubled teens who have enough trust and adjustment issues) and "Andersonville-Lite" for the kiddies, it's enough to make me see red. I want to help. I may be in NYC, but these folks have made war on my family by selling them a pack of lies, and I intend to see it through by seeing this place be brought down.
Tours l'Audace people!"
Hey. Welcome.
You kinda jumped in in the middle of a troll war... sorry. I'm going to start a new thread and repost your message under "Half-brother at HLA"
Deborah-- moderator
[ This Message was edited by: Deborah on 2006-05-31 19:26 ]"
Unbelievable!!! From here on in, I expect even more random additions and deletions with respect to other people's posts.
Deb as a "moderator"? Talk about the fox guarding the chicken coop!!
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Good-bye and good-night!
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Ottawa,
Did you notice this:
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If I change/edit a post that line will appear... so much for your paranoid imaginings that your posts had been altered.
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I am still not buying it, no offense, anyone could have written it and/or changed dialog etc. HLA, I am sure, is monitoring this site from time to time and will see what is posted and figure out in a heart beat whats going on. I know companies 10 times their size that could figure out who it is in a second. I am not saying you wrote it, but it doesnt add up to me, it doesnt read right. It really doesnt matter anyway. It doesnt change anything with me either way
Nothing changes anything for you in any way. Kids abused, raped, tortured, killed...you don't care. You could have all the evidence in the world that proves the abuse and you'd still say the same things. Why don't you just cut to the chase and admit that you don't care how children are treated at these places and no amount of evidence means anything to you? You are a dyed-in-the-wool program supporter that blindly supports any program even if kids are raped, beaten or killed in their custody. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Of course those whose hypocrisy has no bounds are generally not susceptible to shame.
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On 2006-06-01 05:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
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I am still not buying it, no offense, anyone could have written it and/or changed dialog etc. HLA, I am sure, is monitoring this site from time to time and will see what is posted and figure out in a heart beat whats going on. I know companies 10 times their size that could figure out who it is in a second. I am not saying you wrote it, but it doesnt add up to me, it doesnt read right. It really doesnt matter anyway. It doesnt change anything with me either way
Nothing changes anything for you in any way. Kids abused, raped, tortured, killed...you don't care. You could have all the evidence in the world that proves the abuse and you'd still say the same things. Why don't you just cut to the chase and admit that you don't care how children are treated at these places and no amount of evidence means anything to you? You are a dyed-in-the-wool program supporter that blindly supports any program even if kids are raped, beaten or killed in their custody. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Of course those whose hypocrisy has no bounds are generally not susceptible to shame."
Hmmmm, Seems like you know me pretty well, thanks for the personal assessment.
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I've read your posts. It applies. Evidence means nothing to you. Thanks for at least admitting it.
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On 2006-06-01 08:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I've read your posts. It applies. Evidence means nothing to you. Thanks for at least admitting it."
DJ-
Why are you posting as Anon now? Did you forget which alter-ego you are now? I'll bet you are Karen and Anne too...that way you can counter argue yourself since you have NO LIFE...
Oh, I shouldn't have said that- you and Deb might post my LAN or my address or even my name. Oh, or you could just call me your "personal troll". Please don't flatter yourself and put "personal" in there.
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Please don't flatter yourself and put "personal" in there.
Yeah, that's true. You're not only my personal troll. That's not fair. You're Julie's, Deb's and mine. Not to mention Son of Serbia...
I have only one login name and I use it - take a lesson there.
Try as you might to make me into "Karen" or "Anne" it ain't so. You've also accused Deb of being both of them. She isn't either. Honestly, I don't know who they are, nor do I care.
It is funny to watch you struggle with trying to figure it out though. I think it upsets you that we know who you are and "bag or no bag" you can't hide, although you desperately would like to do so.
What's wrong? You don't like getting trolled? If not, why do you do it to so many others?
Personally I think you are lonely and sad and need this sort of attention. Anyway, have fun trolling!
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"Compassion is the basis of morality."
-Arnold Schopenhauer
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On 2006-06-01 08:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I've read your posts. It applies. Evidence means nothing to you. Thanks for at least admitting it."
Wow, fast reader !! Glad to see you made an informed assessment, before judging someone.
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On 2006-06-01 08:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-01 08:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I've read your posts. It applies. Evidence means nothing to you. Thanks for at least admitting it."
DJ-
Why are you posting as Anon now? Did you forget which alter-ego you are now? I'll bet you are Karen and Anne too...that way you can counter argue yourself since you have NO LIFE...
Oh, I shouldn't have said that- you and Deb might post my LAN or my address or even my name. Oh, or you could just call me your "personal troll". Please don't flatter yourself and put "personal" in there. "
Does HLA condone your participation here? Does your job description include posting on internet forums?
In the interest of accountability, why not register a user name so others know who's thougts/opinions they are reading? If that's too much trouble, I'd be happy to have your post tied to a username. No response might be considered agreement.
You have no better opportunity to address questions that have been posed about HLA, to participate in a constructive way. Clearly that is not why you're here.
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If that was the case, then you just gave me that attention...didn't you?
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DJ is the victim of a huge ego problem. He needs to believe that everyone is focused solely on him and the crap that he dumps onto the internet. This is why he promotes the image of having all these trolls. A troll, by his definition, is anyone that dares to hold an opinion different from his and isn't forthcoming with their identity. He assigns an identity to these posters, though, so he can intimidate others into leaving the forum or not posting a differing opinion. He uses old information and bullying tactics to shove his views down everyone's throats and try to give the impression that his wishes and opinions are actually facts.
DJ has some real issues- probably the combination of a huge inferiority complex and serious anger problems. Clear issues with females, since he continues to believe his so-called trolls are females and I happen to know this is not the case.
We feel sorry for you, big guy. I hope you are seeing your very own mental health professional.
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Baby needs ATTENTION! Give baby ATTENTION!
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On 2006-06-01 10:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
"DJ is the victim of a huge ego problem. He needs to believe that everyone is focused solely on him and the crap that he dumps onto the internet. This is why he promotes the image of having all these trolls. A troll, by his definition, is anyone that dares to hold an opinion different from his and isn't forthcoming with their identity. He assigns an identity to these posters, though, so he can intimidate others into leaving the forum or not posting a differing opinion. He uses old information and bullying tactics to shove his views down everyone's throats and try to give the impression that his wishes and opinions are actually facts.
DJ has some real issues- probably the combination of a huge inferiority complex and serious anger problems. Clear issues with females, since he continues to believe his so-called trolls are females and I happen to know this is not the case.
We feel sorry for you, big guy. I hope you are seeing your very own mental health professional."
Bravo, well said... :nworthy:
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::mecry:: ::mecry:: ::mecry::
:lol:
ME! ME! Pay attention to ME!
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You have no better opportunity to address questions that have been posed about HLA, to participate in a constructive way. Clearly that is not why you're here.
No, sadly the HLA staffers that post here cannot defend their actions or their treatment of the kids.
All that's left for them is to spew vitriol and hope their next check clears so they can pay their doctor bills.
Here's what I don't understand: They suffer low wages, unpaid overtime, arrogant overbearing management, no medical insurance and wondering if there will even be a "next" paycheck (much less if it will clear the bank), but they lash out at survivors and critics.
Take a look around you, people. The writing is on the wall, only for some reason you can't read it.
Why don't you take issue with the people who are shafting you at every turn? Too gutless? Can't get a job anywhere else? Why?
You should thank your lucky stars you're up in the mountains of Georgia working in La-La Land. You wouldn't last a New York minute where I live. That's a fact. Feeble-minded, spineless weaklings aren't suffered lightly in the real world.
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Deliverance!
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Dysfunction Junction is an oxygen thief.
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On 2006-06-02 16:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Dysfunction Junction is an oxygen thief."
Pardon me if I missed your drift, but does that mean you think he should be dead, or doesn't deserve to be alive, or some such?
What IS your title at HLA?
There are so many legitimate questions you could be addressing. Why do you waste our time and Ginger's bandwidth with such petty silliness?
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Deb is a cocksucking slut face fucking cum guzzler.
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Really, so what does that make you? Spending to much time with the sheep, I gather.. I hear their feces affects the cranium...save it for your sheep, pip squeak...how small you are..
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i wonder if hla stopped paying q & q to do the dirtywork? they tried to frighten clarke poole and he defied their demands and they cowered. but i have to wonder if the "this is the reason we're not suing letter" was the last thing q & q was PAID FOR.
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I doubt it...Martin Quirk is a long time associate and apparent friend..It appears that he is the agent on all their land deals and every other transaction.
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CindyLouWho Im headed home in a few days, when I get back please trust that you will be thouroughly embaressed and laughed at.
In the mean time thanks for the quick laugh, and Karen...have you had any luck finding a new job?
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You know Cindy I was going to take my time ripping you apart and exposing you (again) for the incompetent self bloated moron you are; but really whats the point?
I mean I could point out that you have selected viewing and only respond to the questions you arent afraid of.
I could point out how you use incomplete arguments to try and prove points you never had.
I could point out how you use conjectures and assumptions to reach your conclusions and get angry when others dont come to the same guess as you.
I could point out how you refuse to acknowledge documented proof when its staring you right in the fact.
I can provide quote after quote putting you to shame, but I think Im just going to let my friend Steve do it instead. His manner is a bit more efficent.
You claimed he was only guessing as to his concluscions about HLA and was lying about his insider information.
If thats true where is he getting all these emails weve been posting?
You let me know Cindy.
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It is amusing to watch some of these folks lurch around stumble-gutted tripping on their own eviscerated offal.
I haven't even seen an attempt to answer any concerns/questions intelligently in a loooong time.
I think some of the people who were on here defending HLA got fired and no longer feel the need to try to protect their jobs.
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Damn, are the HLA employees having a LAN party at a staff meeting?
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Hmmmmm... Maybe turn on the lights and see if they scatter?
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Thats funny everytime Ive looked since you posted this type of post, I only see 1 or 2 on HLA, or none. Must be an issue of timing (?)
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Your mother had an issue with timing. :wave:
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On 2006-06-07 10:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Your mother had an issue with timing. :wave:"
That isn't how it goes...It is..."You mom had an issue with timing." If you are going to copy, at least get it right.
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Your mother needs to get it right.
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Flippin idiot
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Awe, poor little baby bitch. ::crybaby::
Did I steal your wittle wine? :rofl:
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Actually, neither anon is right...between "Mother" and "you" instead of "your", they both look like idiots, along with a few others.
:roll:
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On 2006-06-07 12:07:00, SHH wrote:
"Actually, neither anon is right...between "Mother" and "you" instead of "your", they both look like idiots, along with a few others.
:roll: "
No, I totally meant to say, "You".
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"mother" is just fine.
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You meant to say this ?
"You mom"
Nice grammar there.
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SHH. Nigger. Die. Now.
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Cindy dont be scared, come on out now.
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SSH..for you...
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amazing isn't it?
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I have been monitoring the whos online thing somewhat ever since Steve brought it up. I noticed that when Hidden Lake Academy is at the bottom of the list (more recent), a few more people are viewing it. I also noticed that after a few minutes, these viewers went away. Its all a matter of timing, as it relates to when Hidden Lake threads are at the bottom. I have yet to see the amount of viewers Steve posted. Like I said to him, its a matter of timing. Just 2 days ago Hidden Lake threads disappeared entirely off the hot topics for about half a day. I dont think people are losing interest. I just think nothing major is happening at the moment.
By the way, this is the online list currently:
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[ This Message was edited by: SHH on 2006-06-15 04:04 ]
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Its all timing
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I have NEVER seen that many people on one topic much less Hidden Lake. It is sooooo easy to fake that. Here is what it is at 6:15 pm for REAL.
Eudora Straight, Inc. Veterans
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And here it is at 6:22pm...
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This one doesnt even have a single Hidden Lake viewer. Hmmmm....weird isnt it :roll:
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If you knew who posted that you wouldn't be inclined to question it.... ebbs and flows.
Back to the thread topic.....
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Bullfrog are you sure you want to claim you KNOW he's faking it?
Espically since you dont.
Why dont you stick to what you know...which is nothing.
Or focus on what youre good at....shoot nothing there either.
Oh wait you can always dodge and evade questions youre afraid of out of your cowardice and weak nature.
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ebbs and flows, and sometimes very rapidly indeed. I have checked 2 minutes apart at times, and seen the number of people go from 3 to 8, and vice versa, and also the topics shift just as quickly. HLA seems to be a pretty consistent highly viewed one. I myself go to a bunch of different forums here, HLA is one that is of more personal interest.
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I never said I claimed to know he/she was faking it....this is what you said:
"Bullfrog are you sure you want to claim you KNOW he's faking it?"
And this is what I actually said:
"It is sooooo easy to fake that."
What part of my statement says I claim to know they are faking it? I didnt. I said it was easy to fake it. And it is. I just find it ironic that every time I check the users online there are less than 2-3 Hidden Lake viewers on at a time, and certainly never 10-15 like those postings show. Im not saying its fake. Im saying its a possibility. That is a far cry from "KNOWING" now isn't it Robert?
Try reading correctly next time.
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Good lord, stop with this "who's online" shit already.... :grin:
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On 2006-06-16 15:47:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
"Good lord, stop with this "who's online" shit already.... :grin: "
Break out the Dead Horse, FD.
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On 2006-06-16 13:24:00, SHH wrote:
"I never said I claimed to know he/she was faking it....this is what you said:
"Bullfrog are you sure you want to claim you KNOW he's faking it?"
And this is what I actually said:
"It is sooooo easy to fake that."
What part of my statement says I claim to know they are faking it? I didnt. I said it was easy to fake it. And it is. I just find it ironic that every time I check the users online there are less than 2-3 Hidden Lake viewers on at a time, and certainly never 10-15 like those postings show. Im not saying its fake. Im saying its a possibility. That is a far cry from "KNOWING" now isn't it Robert?
Try reading correctly next time."
Try remembering what you write the next time you stupid child abusing cow.
Take a look at your subject header you wrote it as "Now I KNOW youre faking"
Thanks for playing slob, remember there is a whole list of questions out there youve been to afraid to answer for fear of embarressment. Not that I want you to worry about that, you do that without even trying.
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Id just like to take the ultimate credit for finally shutting her up.
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You were saying????
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I knew thats all it would take to get you from lurking in the shadows.
So have you lived down your shame yet? Forgive me I know you have many things to be ashamed of. Let me be more specific: have you lived down the shame of being utterly proven wrong....again?
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What about his long-time loyal staff? Bucci is not the only one twisting and turning unable to sleep. I bet a number of them will jump ship trying to protect themselves.
They better do something to position themselves ............who knows what the future holds? :idea:
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Hidden Lake Academy
Dahlonega, Georgia
Josh Watson Leaves Hidden Lake
Contact:
Nicole Fuglsang
800-394-0640
www.hiddenlakeacademy.com (http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com)
October 26, 2006
Dear Colleagues and Friends,
I hope this letter finds you well enjoying another beautiful fall season.
Over my four-year tenure at HLA as a Therapist and as an Admissions Officer, I have had the privilege of building both personal and professional relationships with many of you. It has truly been an honor to help provide hope and support to the families we have served together. I have witnessed significant change in the lives of many.
I want to be the one passing the news to you that, after much consideration, I have decided to relinquish my position in the admissions office at Hidden Lake Academy effective October 31, 2006. Although I will be departing, I am confident that Nicole Fuglsang and Billy Pichon will continue to effectively represent the admissions department and meet your placement needs at HLA.
While we are saddened to leave behind many good friends at Hidden Lake, my family and I are enthusiastic and grateful for the opportunity that lies ahead. I have accepted a position as Admissions Director for another organization within our very special field. It is my hope that we will continue working together in our devotion to meet the needs of young people around the world.
Please feel free to contact me directly with any questions or concerns.
Warmest Regards,
Josh Watson
http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/p ... 5447.shtml (http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/publish/article_5447.shtml)
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One more rat jumps off the starbord side...
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ASPIRO INC.
Riverton, Utah
Aspiro Welcomes Josh Watson As Admissions Director
Contact: Brian Church
Director of Business Development
801-979-6301
www.aspiro-inc.com (http://www.aspiro-inc.com)
October 31, 2006
Brian Church, Director of Business Development announced today the hiring of Josh Watson, LCSW. Over the past four years, Josh has been a therapist and an admissions officer for a prominent Therapeutic Boarding School. "I have known Josh as both colleague and friend. I know Josh's work ethic and his commitment to kids and families. We are fortunate to be getting such a solid person in Josh," said Church.
Aspiro's meteoric growth is both exciting and challenging. Due to this growth, it is necessary to fill this final position on our management team. Hiring Josh will ensure outstanding service to consultants and families alike. Over the next six weeks, Josh will be visiting consultants in the Southeast, doing admissions, and preparing for his move to Utah around the first of the year. During this brief transition phase, admissions will be handled by either, Josh or Randy Oakley, Aspiro CEO. Please call 888-266-5136 for admissions.
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Institutional incest. They just move around.
This is the Law of Conservation of Staff - staff can neither be created nor destroyed, only reorganized.
Who's this Brian Church character? I've heard that name before.
Also, since Josh is gone, and he appears to have been the only licensed employee, who's therapizing junior now? Who's overseeeing it?
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Josh has been a therapist and an admissions officer for a prominent [/b]Theraputic Boarding School
Really? That's not what they're trying to tell ORS.
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I almost feel sorry for him- who else would hire him? What other qualifications does he have? Drug dealers often keep dealing drugs because they can't find reputable work. Same way with programmies. I'm going to make a guess that he chose his Aspiro since it's making an extra-special effort not to be (or at least appear) evil. No level system, short-term, extra attention put on safety and adequate hydration, etc. You know, the stuff that lethal programs fail on.
Josh, I know you don't live in Georgia anymore, but can you please send a letter to ORS saying that yes, HLA was in fact a "therapeutic boarding school"?
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So if I'm a fertilizer truck driver and wish to change locations because I am programmed to deliver shit I can only just move to another shit driven job?
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So if I'm a fertilizer truck driver and wish to change locations because I am programmed to deliver shit I can only just move to another shit driven job?
That's your choice, isn't it???? Last time I checked America was a free country and people are free to choose their careers.
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Institutional incest. They just move around.
This is the Law of Conservation of Staff - staff can neither be created nor destroyed, only reorganized.
Who's this Brian Church character? I've heard that name before.
Also, since Josh is gone, and he appears to have been the only licensed employee, who's therapizing junior now? Who's overseeeing it?
Brian Church is Ex-HLA Staff.....I noticed the new school chose not to announce which "therapeutic" school Josh was associated with..I wonder why...
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That's your choice, isn't it???? Last time I checked America was a free country and people are free to choose their careers.
Or to not choose one which involves abusing kids and robbing parents blind.
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So Jeff Holloway is moving on to abuse more kids at Aspen, as he's seen HLA is going to go under completely very soon. Which other staff have fled or are going to flee in the next few days?
Which rats are jumping the starboard rail??
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Any news here?