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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: OverLordd on February 05, 2007, 11:12:26 AM
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I found out with some annoyance and distate that my church is nominally involved with a program. Inner harbor... the pastor was making anouncements about out reach stuff and he said something about some lady doing something for them. The name pricked something in my head so I went home and googled it, imagine my anger when I realized what it was. So, does any one have any information of this program at all? Apprently is located in Douglessville GA. Any one we know go there? fill me in, and I will go to the paster and see if we can server ties, but dont make me go in there on the principle of the thing (though I wll) I need you guys to arm me with information
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Stop lying! A church would never support something like that. Christians only do good things for children.
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Discussed in this thread:
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 739#228739 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=228739#228739)
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http://www.innerharbour.org/index.html (http://www.innerharbour.org/index.html)
I could not find any information re. who works there, let alone what their qualifications are...
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Does any one have any other info, deborah, thank you for the site but it dident really help, I couldent find any reports.
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You can request a copy of their inspection reports from the Ga Office of Regulatory Services
http://ors.dhr.georgia.gov/portal/site/ ... 01010aRCRD (http://ors.dhr.georgia.gov/portal/site/DHR-ORS/menuitem.a7e86d3fa49a7a608e738510da1010a0/?vgnextoid=8f6e44c26e5fff00VgnVCM100000bf01010aRCRD)
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Is anal sex legal in GA?
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Perhaps your parish priest is not aware of what happens in this industry. if i knew nothing and i saw the website i would probably donate generously to what i imagined was a worthy cause.
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Perhaps your parish priest is not aware of what happens in this industry. if i knew nothing and i saw the website i would probably donate generously to what i imagined was a worthy cause.
Yet another blanket assumption grounded in nothing but supposition that the O P has much of a clue about things.
Perhaps you are not aware of what this organization does. They provide after-school tutoring. They provide a safe house for sexually abused teen girls. They provide substance abuse counseling. And yes, they provide residential programs for those with that need. Take a look at http://www.innerharbour.org/docs/programs_overview.pdf (http://www.innerharbour.org/docs/programs_overview.pdf) before using the broad brush.
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Perhaps your parish priest is not aware of what happens in this industry. if i knew nothing and i saw the website i would probably donate generously to what i imagined was a worthy cause.[/quote
Yet another blanket assumption grounded in nothing but supposition that the O P has much of a clue about things.
Perhaps you are not aware of what this organization does. They provide after-school tutoring. They provide a safe house for sexually abused teen girls. They provide substance abuse counseling. And yes, they provide residential programs for those with that need. Take a look at http://www.innerharbour.org/docs/programs_overview.pdf (http://www.innerharbour.org/docs/programs_overview.pdf) before using the broad brush.
Well lets look at what we do know about them from thir website shall we.
-They have a programme for children under 12 where the maximum recommended stay away from family is 12 months.
-There is a lock down unit for sex offenders starting from as young as 12. The main aspect of this involves behavioural modification. it does not say how long the boy is there for. The program has 2 phases
the following site describes some of the things that a boy can get locked away as a sex offender for. Doesnt look like any place i would want to give my financial support to.
http://www.ethicaltreatment.org/ (http://www.ethicaltreatment.org/)
HR 4472 passes despite opposition by child health organizations
July 25, 2006 -- HR 4472 was quietly passed by the House and agreed to by the Senate under suspension of the rules (i.e., without debate). Descibed as a bill to protect children and combat gang violence, it places juveniles on the national public sex offender registry along with adults, despite opposition from numerous child health and justice organizations (listed below). The American Psychological Association had urged the public to educate their representatives about the "devastating impact these provisions will have on the lives of many children and youth," but to no avail.
The bill redefines sex offenders to include not only juveniles convicted or adjudicated for certain coercive sexual behaviors, but also juveniles 14 and over who are convicted or adjudicated for consensual sexual contact with another juvenile who is under 13, or who is more than 4 years younger than themselves. These youth are to be:
* included in a new national public registry of sex offenders
* required to produce a DNA sample
* subject to electronic monitoring for the duration of their supervised release
* included on the registry and monitored electronically for the rest of their lives if the violation is/was a second offense or if the other juvenile is under 12.
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Hmmm... and what might constitute a "sexual behavior"? And who is determining whether a "sexual behavior" occurred?
I can think of loads of circumstances where a kid might do something ill-advised, maybe even stupid, but with pretty harmless consequences, and to have that follow you around for the rest of your life, branded a sex offender?
Yikes. Who is responsible for slipping this bill through "under suspension of the rules (i.e., without debate)"?
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Well real world, I do believe that the first thing I would like to say is "Bite me you annon freak" The next thing I would like to say is, well I asked for information! I dident make a damned single judgement!
Second off im not catholic, im southern baptist we dont have a parish and we dont have a priest, we have a Dr. in something like theology thats our Minister. Preacher, what have you.
Third. Real World, Are you just an annoying troll or do you have a link to this program?
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Second off im not catholic, im southern baptist
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Oh yes, because thats a perfectly cogent responce. Because its so mature, witty, useful, and pointed.
God I hate you annons, your all cowards, put a screen name on and throw up some contact information and be mature and held to account for what you say.
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Oh yes, because thats a perfectly cogent responce. Because its so mature, witty, useful, and pointed.
God I hate you annons, your all cowards, put a screen name on and throw up some contact information and be mature and held to account for what you say.
::both:: :rofl:::fuckoff:: :rofl: ::both::
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Maybe I see why some people were abused in the industry, because they diserved it.
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Maybe I see why some people were abused in the industry, because they diserved it.
Learn how to spell before posting anon OverLordd. :rofl:
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Maybe I see why some people were abused in the industry, because they diserved it.
What changed your mind?
In this post, you claim that the kids don't diserve (sic) it:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=14992 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=14992)
This is some materials from my current ethics class applyed to my logic with a short oppinon and view.
Punishment is morally justified if and only if
Rehabilitative: It changes the person being punished.
Compatible with Betham's Utilitarianism.
Deterrence: It prevents others from doing bad acts.
Compatible with Mill's Utilitarianism.
Retributive: It is deserved.
Compatible with Kantian Ethics. Also know as (Lex Talionis), completely rejected by Utilitarianism.
The following cannot be mixed in any way. One cannot be morally correct because of intentions. The results are what maters, which is the point of view held by Utilitanianism. If one wishes to rehabilitate some one, they must be rehabilitated at the end or its not morally right. If its a deterrence then people must be deterred from action, or its not morally correct.
This logic of course means that the Industry is one of two things. A hypocrite because they say they are rehabilitating and instead giving retrebution. On the other hand they could just be morally wrong, because the objective is rehabilitative while the accutal even is retributive and a great deterance. Under Kantian ethics the Industry is morally wrong because it does not respect the persons intrinsic value, or his autonomy. Kantian ethics boils down to the person and his autonomy. Rehabilitative is completetly rejected because it does not respect the human being. It says. "I am deciding whats right and wrong, and I am imposing that on you, and making you the person I want to be." While Kantian ethics says. "That is morally wrong because he has the choice to decide his actions." But under Kantian ethics, the beating like we saw in Florida would be morally acceptable, if the youth diserved it. The question is, does the youth diserve it? I personally say no, yet I dont have the athority to make that decision. Your thoughts on the matter?
Same misspellings
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=11783&start=135 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=11783&start=135)
I would like to comment on the heartlessness of daughter. As she speaks I continue to see the example of her hate for these children, and even her hate for her fellow man. I believe that if she found nic and could of helped him she would not of helped him. She constently says that she believes he got what he diserved. I firmly believe that you have commited murder in your heart daughter. I firmly believe you are not a christian, and you never will be a christian untill you get this hate out of your heart. I say I hate people in the industry, but I believe they still can be forgiven. I have friends that have worked or even still work for the industry in some fashion. I have forgiven these people, so what I have is not true hate. You have true hate daughter, you would never forgive a youth, you would never help them, you are a beast, blind and simple. We all know that beasts do not have souls. Need I follow the topic to its theological conclusion, I believe you can follow it.
Even more
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=11072&start=60 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=11072&start=60)
Welcome Karen, to your well diserved bash. You diserve it of course bcause of the treatment you gave me at ST, then again mose needs one too. You know the second best thing about this? I dident even start it. :rofl: Some anon picked your name and started beating you up, what goes around comes around.
Why do you claim to fight for the rights of kids, when you really believe some kids diserve (sic) to be abused?
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God I hate you annons, your all cowards, put a screen name on and throw up some contact information and be mature and held to account for what you say.
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Probably because he was being a wiseass. Doubting OL's sincerity and dedication to the cause is a waste of time. He is solid.
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I was being a mix of sarcastic and hateful, and yes, I hate trolls.
And yes, I dont care much about spelling, and good lord almighty thats alot of research for me just forgetting to log in.