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General Interest => Tacitus' Realm => Topic started by: BuzzKill on September 02, 2010, 12:14:57 PM

Title: Exploiting freedom
Post by: BuzzKill on September 02, 2010, 12:14:57 PM
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oJQ4bwGPRuk#!
Title: Re: Exploiting freedom
Post by: ajax13 on September 02, 2010, 01:53:03 PM
Same guy who claimed that a mosque was being constructed a few yards from "ground zero".  Uses reification of "islam", a disingenous and artificial construct.  What is this person's agenda for manipulating the viewers in this disingenuous fashion?


The Imam behind Cordoba House is Feisal Abdul Rauf.  Here is a list of Imam Rauf's pals:
http://www.cfr.org/about/outreach/relig ... board.html (http://www.cfr.org/about/outreach/religioninitiative/advisory_board.html)

The Cordoba Initiative is in partnership with the American Society for Muslim Advancement, an organization chaired by Imam Rauf.
http://www.cordobainitiative.org/?q=content/ci-partners (http://www.cordobainitiative.org/?q=content/ci-partners)

And who is behind the ASMA?
•Carnegie Corporation of New York
•Rockefeller Brothers
•Rockefeller Philanthropy
•Rockefeller Brothers Fund
•Global Fund for Women
•William & Mary Greve Foundation
•The Sister Fund
•The Russell Family Foundation
•Danny Kaye & Sylvia Fine Foundation
•Graham Charitable Foundation
•Deak Family Foundation
•Henry Luce Foundation
•The Elizabeth Foundation
•The Ms. Foundation
•Hunt Alternatives
http://www.asmasociety.org/about/p_support.html (http://www.asmasociety.org/about/p_support.html)
But let's go back to Imam Rauf's position at the CFR.  Who is the CFR?
http://www.cfr.org/about/corporate/roster.html (http://www.cfr.org/about/corporate/roster.html)
Wahabbi you talkin' 'bout, Willis?
Title: Exploiting freedom
Post by: Eliscu2 on September 02, 2010, 03:47:58 PM
:dose:
Title: Re: Exploiting freedom
Post by: BuzzKill on September 03, 2010, 02:59:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHdMlT3E7cg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHdMlT3E7cg)

also:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX6faY0n ... r_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX6faY0nUoA&feature=player_embedded)
Title: Re: Exploiting freedom
Post by: none-ya on September 03, 2010, 03:01:36 PM
Hey buzz
video no worky
Title: Re: Exploiting freedom
Post by: BuzzKill on September 03, 2010, 03:04:33 PM
Quote from: "none-ya"
Hey buzz
video no worky

try now
Title: Re: Exploiting freedom
Post by: ajax13 on September 03, 2010, 04:12:40 PM
Where is that anthrax going to come from, Buzzy?  Who is ranching those rascally little bugs?

"The DNA sequence of the anthrax sent through the US mail in 2001 has been revealed and confirms suspicions that the bacteria originally came from a US military laboratory."

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2 ... train.html (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2265-anthrax-attack-bug-identical-to-army-strain.html)

And who attacked people with anthrax, Buzzy?

"Bruce Ivins, 62, who had worked for 18 years at the US Government's biodefence research laboratory in Fort Detrick, Maryland, died from an overdose of painkillers after being told that the Justice Department was about to charge him over the attacks, which brought fresh terror to the US days after the September 11 atrocity."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 441055.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article4441055.ece)

And who's got the low-down on the bugs now, Buzzy?

"•The programs conducted at NBACC will provide knowledge of infectious properties of biological agents, effectiveness of countermeasures, decontamination procedures, and forensics analyses to support policy makers and responders’ development of policies, programs, and technologies"

http://www.dhs.gov/files/labs/gc_1166211221830.shtm (http://www.dhs.gov/files/labs/gc_1166211221830.shtm)
Title: Re: Exploiting freedom
Post by: BuzzKill on September 03, 2010, 05:16:30 PM
Ajax - why are you asking me? I'm not the one advocating biological war fair to wipe out troublesome infidels.  All I'm trying to do is point out who is. We can not afford to be complacent about Islam and the very real goal it's followers have of our destruction.  We can not afford to be PC on this topic.  We can not afford to pretend cold hard facts are instead ignorance and bigotry.
Title: Re: Exploiting freedom
Post by: ajax13 on September 03, 2010, 05:36:11 PM
Buzzy, the cold hard facts are that the United States government operates a trillion dollar military apparatus that is operating in a multitude of Islamic nations.  There are no Islamic countries currently occupying, nor conducting combat operations in, the United States.  Hundreds of thousands of muslims have died in the last twenty years as a result of military actions by the agents of the United States government.  There is no identifiable entity called "Islam" with agents responsible for the deaths of any United States citizens.  The only incidence of somebody conducting a terror attack with anthrax was the action of a member of the US-based military industrial complex.  There is no emprical evidence whatsoever to substantiate your allegation that we need to be afraid of  "Islam".  It is a reism that you use.  So it remains unclear just what it is that you are trying to do.
Title: Re: Exploiting freedom
Post by: IslamIsViolent on September 03, 2010, 07:20:13 PM
Ajax.  You're right.  Islam is not an entity.  Nazism was not an entity.  Both are ideologies, and ideologies have followers.  The goal of Islam, like Nazism, is the extermination of the unbelievers (especially jews), and the establishment of a worldwide Calphate.  Let's start with the jews:

One hadith says:
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"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).Sahih Muslim, 41:6985, see also Sahih Muslim, 41:6981, Sahih Muslim, 41:6982, Sahih Muslim, 41:6983, Sahih Muslim, 41:6984, Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:56:791,(Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:177)

These ahadith are considered Sahih (authentic).  The Quran is similar.  Read Sura 9, the last chapter written which abrogates all previous, if you want to see what it says about how unbelievers should be killed, subdued, or enslaved wherever they are found.  It's quite explicit, and not really subject to interpretation.

See.  I just don't see the logic with tolerating an intolerant ideology.  People don't tolerate Nazism.  Why do they tolerate Islam?  Is it that enough time has passed for it to become accepted?  Is it that Nazism was never declared a religion?  Do people assume that all religions are the same?  When Synanon declared itself a religion, did that suddenly mean it was benign?

If you tolerate Islam, you tolerate intolerance.  You tolerate it's commands to beat women.  You tolerate it's tolerance of rape.  You tolerate it's commands to commit genocide.  I'm not saying that all who claim to follow Islam actually do these things.  I'm saying the ideology itself is toxic and those who follow it are by definition violent.  Military Jihad is not a small part of islam. It's a very large part.  The religion was invented to justify the actions of a warlord, after all.  Us foreign policy is hardly perfect but that doesn't in any way mean that there isn't danger out there or that Islam is not a threat.
Title: Re: Exploiting freedom
Post by: ajax13 on September 03, 2010, 08:02:24 PM
Hasbaranik, the goal of Nazism was not the establishment of a worldwide caliphate.  The Nazis had plenty of fans, and were not just tolerated, they were aided and abetted.  IG Farben was in partnership with an array of American businesses.  All of the honchos at IG Farben, except Max Warburg, were charged as war criminals after the war.  IG Farben was financed in part by US firms.  In addition, the Nazi military-industrial structure was linked to the Soviet Union in the pre-war period.  So the Reds and the Capitalists tolerated Nazi ideology just fine.
The German state went to war under the Nazis in the same fashion that it did before the Nazis, and in the same fashion that every state has throughout history.  Agents of the state singled out groups to hate, told the people to be scared, and fired up the war machine.
Military action by agents of the US state has brought about the deaths of hundreds of thousands of muslims in the last twenty years, following clearly established doctrines and policies of an identifiable entity with an organic structure.  There i no such entity called "Islam", and no action by agents of this non-existent enity has brought about the loss of life for hundreds of thousands of US citizens.
Title: nothing
Post by: Eliscu2 on September 04, 2010, 11:27:02 PM
:seg2:
Title: Re: Exploiting freedom
Post by: justonemore on September 05, 2010, 11:33:07 PM
WoW! Ajax13! Averoess  and Avicenna, Too? A Regular Scholar, you are!
What happened to Hindu culture? Just ask and answer. An "aid flotilla for Gaza". Really? But none for Darfur. U.S. armed forces in Pakistan, flying food and refugees, while Pakistanis bomb each other? Really? a magnificent civilization ? Really?
To Date; More than 15'900 deadly terrorist attacks. ( but that's only SINCE 9/11)
J.O.M.
Title: Re: Exploiting freedom
Post by: RTP2003 on September 05, 2010, 11:43:18 PM
Fuck Nazis, fuck radical Islam, fuck all the mutherfuckers that wanna give me a hard time for doing drugs and fornicating.  Islam is insane, Christianity is stupid, and Ju7daism is just too damn square for my taste.  Burn in fucking thermonuclear hell, each and every one of ya........the cleansing fire of Strontium-90 knows no innocents.......
Title: Re: Exploiting freedom
Post by: justonemore on September 06, 2010, 12:10:33 AM
outside of nuclear medicine who uses strontium 90?  that stuff's expensive as hell ( can ya get me some? ya know, just a little for my stash?) J.O.M.
Title: whatever
Post by: Eliscu2 on September 06, 2010, 01:28:07 AM
:clown:
Title: Re: Exploiting freedom
Post by: ajax13 on September 06, 2010, 11:02:16 AM
JOM, I figured you threw in the towel after your erroneous claim about Shrub flying Tomcats.  What did happen to HIndu culture?  Not much as far as I can see here:
"Hinduism has grown to become the world's third largest religion, after Christianity and Islam. It claims about 950 million followers -- about 14% of the world's population. 2 It is the dominant religion in India, Nepal, and among the Tamils in Sri Lanka.

Estimates of the number of Hindus in the U.S. vary greatly:

Our estimate, for mid-2010, is 1.5 million.
According to the "Yearbook of American & Canadian Churches," there were about 1.1 million Hindus in the U.S. during 1999. 3
The "American Religious Identification Survey" is believed to under-estimate the numbers of Hindus because of communications problems with non-English speaking households. 4 They estimated: 766,000 Hindus in 2001 and 1.2 million in 2008.
Statistics Canada estimates that there were about 157,015 Hindus in Canada during 2001."
 
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hinduism.htm (http://www.religioustolerance.org/hinduism.htm)

While there may not have been an "aid flotilla" to Darfur, some folks are pitching in in other ways:
"Israel has supplied a rebel group involved in the Darfur conflict in Sudan with a considerable amount of weaponry, a new report says."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... &aid=12156 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=12156)
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/ne ... l-1.270182 (http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/darfur-rebel-leader-visited-israel-1.270182)

"Presently 7,000 African Union troops are in Darfur. Their logistical and technical back-up is provided by U.S. and NATO forces. In addition, thousands of UN personnel are overseeing refugee camps for hundreds of thousands dislocated by the drought, famine and war. All of these outside forces do more than hand out needed food. They are a source of instability. As capitalist would-be conquerors have done for hundreds of years, they consciously play one group off against another. U.S. imperialism is heavily involved in the entire region. Chad, which is directly west of Darfur, last year participated in a U.S.-organized international military exer cise that, according to the U.S. Defense Department, was the largest in Africa since World War II."
 
http://www.iacenter.org/Africa/dafur-sf06032006.htm (http://www.iacenter.org/Africa/dafur-sf06032006.htm)
Title: Re: HOMELAND SECURITY AND MORE MORE MORE
Post by: Froderik on September 06, 2010, 01:05:23 PM
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YNGWIE IS SUPERIOR!!!! JUST IN CASE YOU FELT GOOD ABOUT YOURSELF FOR A MINUTE.

Ok, but I'm more of a Steve Howe fan, myself...
Title: Re: HOMELAND SECURITY AND MORE MORE MORE
Post by: Eliscu2 on September 06, 2010, 06:26:18 PM
Quote from: "Froderik"
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YNGWIE IS SUPERIOR!!!! JUST IN CASE YOU FELT GOOD ABOUT YOURSELF FOR A MINUTE.

Ok, but I'm more of a Steve Howe fan, myself...
:tup:
Title: Re: HOMELAND SECURITY AND MORE MORE MORE
Post by: Froderik on September 06, 2010, 09:56:26 PM
Quote from: "Eliscu2"
Quote from: "Froderik"
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YNGWIE IS SUPERIOR!!!! JUST IN CASE YOU FELT GOOD ABOUT YOURSELF FOR A MINUTE.

Ok, but I'm more of a Steve Howe fan, myself...

Well in a free world we could enjoy what we like.
I would not have to listen to Country Music and I could have my HEAVY METAL or whatever the fuck I want...
I'll go "Dream On" some more...
I really think that no matter where you come from MUSIC and ART are a UNIVERSAL language.
Too bad ROCKSTARS only like models...........
Personally I like a guy with a little meat on his bones.
How about some freedom of choice?
I have seriously had it with people forcing me to do this and that at their own will and abuse of power.
FUCK THAT!!!!!!!
In these times I suggest you remember a few basic things and scrap the BULLSHIT!
It's real simple LIFE or DEATH.
PEACE or WAR.
Happiness or  ::unhappy::
Personally I do not give a flying fuck what any of you like I have enough problems here in HELLSCONSIN.
Count you'r blessings cause time is a wasting....................................................................................................................... ::puke::  :beat:

Well you know, I like your attitude. You've got moxie in spades!  ::evil::

I may not like Yngwie, but that's neither here nor there! You only get one ride through this madness known as Earth (reincarnation? shit, let's not go there, lol), so you might as well enjoy this shit and FUCK anyone (well, not literally, unless you want to) who tries to get in the way of your right to expression, your right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness! Felice, you go right ahead and listen to more Yngwie Malmsteen until your ears bleed or your brain hemorrhages (whichever comes first). If that's what floats yer boat then I am genuinely happy for you!! No bullshit, I mean it! Fuck 'em all, and let God (if that really is his or her or its name) sort 'em out....you and me, we ain't got the time!  :tup:

Enough said for now; a bowl of TBPITW awaits! (http://http://www.p2p-zone.com/underground/images/smilies/bong.gif)
Title: Re: Exploiting freedom
Post by: Anne Bonney on September 07, 2010, 11:56:17 AM
All of this basically boils down to "my invisible sky wizard is better than your invisible sky wizard neener neener neener"  ::poke::  

Ridiculous.   ::)   I'm so sick of all religions.  If you want to worship the invisible sky wizards, fine....just quit bashing others who don't feel the way you do.
Title: Re: Exploiting freedom
Post by: Froderik on September 07, 2010, 12:12:27 PM
Over the course of my life, I have found religions interesting: Buddhism, Hinduism, American Indian, and especially the life of Jesus Christ (despite growing up Catholic and being dragged to church every damned week). Although I certainly can't blame anyone for not liking (or even hating) religion when it's been forced down their throat by their parents or a program...or when all they see are the types who like to bash people that disagree with them.
Title: Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
Post by: Joel on September 07, 2010, 12:22:44 PM
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
Title: Re: Exploiting freedom
Post by: Maximilian on September 07, 2010, 12:28:13 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
If you want to worship the invisible sky wizards, fine....just quit bashing others who don't feel the way you do.

Perhaps you should follow your own advice.
Title: Re: Exploiting freedom
Post by: none-ya on September 07, 2010, 12:31:24 PM
Anne Bonney wrote;
"I'm so sick of all religions. If you want to worship the invisible sky wizards, fine....just quit bashing others who don't feel the way you do."


Brovo Brilliant. And yet so amazingly simple Most people don't get it. Invisible sky wizards, Suonds like a song title (is it)?
Title: Re: Exploiting freedom
Post by: Anne Bonney on September 07, 2010, 12:48:21 PM
Quote from: "Maximilian"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
If you want to worship the invisible sky wizards, fine....just quit bashing others who don't feel the way you do.

Perhaps you should follow your own advice.


Funny, I've never had someone knock on my door on a Saturday morning trying to convince me to be an atheist.
Title: Re: Exploiting freedom
Post by: Anne Bonney on September 07, 2010, 12:48:56 PM
Quote from: "none-ya"
Anne Bonney wrote;
"I'm so sick of all religions. If you want to worship the invisible sky wizards, fine....just quit bashing others who don't feel the way you do."


Brovo Brilliant. And yet so amazingly simple Most people don't get it. Invisible sky wizards, Suonds like a song title (is it)?

Wish I could take credit for it but I read it somewhere on Fark.
Title: Re: Exploiting freedom
Post by: Maximilian on September 07, 2010, 12:58:39 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Maximilian"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
If you want to worship the invisible sky wizards, fine....just quit bashing others who don't feel the way you do.

Perhaps you should follow your own advice.


Funny, I've never had someone knock on my door on a Saturday morning trying to convince me to be an atheist.

I'm just pointing out the fact by using terms like invisible sky wizards you are being purposefully insulting to believers, so if you expect them to respect you, perhaps you should quit bashing others who don't feel the way you do. The golden rule,  the rule almost all religions teach.
Title: Re: Exploiting freedom
Post by: ...... on September 07, 2010, 01:11:43 PM
Let's all go![attachment=0:3h0gkdnb]SKY WIZZARDS.jpg[/attachment:3h0gkdnb]
Title: Re: Exploiting freedom
Post by: Anne Bonney on September 07, 2010, 01:12:01 PM
Quote from: "Maximilian"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Maximilian"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
If you want to worship the invisible sky wizards, fine....just quit bashing others who don't feel the way you do.

Perhaps you should follow your own advice.


Funny, I've never had someone knock on my door on a Saturday morning trying to convince me to be an atheist.

I'm just pointing out the fact by using terms like invisible sky wizards you are being purposefully insulting to believers, so if you expect them to respect you, perhaps you should quit bashing others who don't feel the way you do. The golden rule,  the rule almost all religions teach.

Point taken, but maybe I'm a little tired of being told I'm gonna burn in hell for my non-belief.  Maybe I'm a little tired of being woken up on my day off in an attempt to indoctrinate me and when I try to politely decline, I'm called a heathen and told that the wrath of god will soon be upon me (I've had them literally screaming at me as they walk down my driveway).  Maybe I'm a little tired of politicians forgetting the separation of church and state.
Title: Maybe I'm tired of being tormented to hell...
Post by: Froderik on September 07, 2010, 01:33:51 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Maybe I'm a little tired of being woken up on my day off in an attempt to indoctrinate me and when I try to politely decline, I'm called a heathen and told that the wrath of god will soon be upon me (I've had them literally screaming at me as they walk down my driveway).

Man, Florida sounds pretty fucked. At least the religious nuts up in these parts have some semblance of politeness; I feel for ya, lol.
Title: Re: Maybe I'm tired of being tormented to hell...
Post by: Anne Bonney on September 07, 2010, 01:45:44 PM
Quote from: "Froderik"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Maybe I'm a little tired of being woken up on my day off in an attempt to indoctrinate me and when I try to politely decline, I'm called a heathen and told that the wrath of god will soon be upon me (I've had them literally screaming at me as they walk down my driveway).

Man, Florida sounds pretty fucked. At least the religious nuts up in these parts have some semblance of politeness; I feel for ya, lol.

Yeah, as far as the politics go....it is fucked!  But if you can avoid most of that and just hang out on the boat or at the beach, it ain't too bad.

After about the 5th time of the Jehovah Nitwits doing that to me, I finally told them off in my own "atheistic" way and they avoided my house for about 3 years.  Now I just don't answer the door when I see them coming and then they hang their literature on my door.

When I was a kid my best friend's mom (an atheist herself) invited them in, served them coffee and donuts and proceeded to, very politely, dismantle every single argument they made.  Quoting from Leviticus is a great way to do that.  They never knocked on her door again.  :seg2:
Title: Re: Exploiting freedom
Post by: Botched Programming on September 07, 2010, 03:03:01 PM
Had Jehova witnesses come to the door at my old place, told to them to hang on a minute after I answered the door cranked up "Mother by Danzig" and grabbed a Bud then asked them how I could help them... They took off from my door like they saw Satan himself.... LOL... :seg:
Title: Re: Exploiting freedom
Post by: BuzzKill on September 07, 2010, 04:06:55 PM
I also sent them running for the hills by telling them Charles Russel was a false prophet and the Watch-tower is as well, and that they are wrong on Jesus, the Trinity, Hell and many less significant issues.  

Different method, same result.
Title: Re: Exploiting freedom
Post by: teachback on September 08, 2010, 09:22:53 AM
Quote from: "IslamIsViolent"
See.  I just don't see the logic with tolerating an intolerant ideology.  People don't tolerate Nazism.  Why do they tolerate Islam?
Charles Manson once said that Adolf Hitler was a "tuned-in dude" who tried to level the karma of the Jews.
Title: Re: Exploiting freedom
Post by: Watchful Yeoman on September 08, 2010, 02:25:45 PM
Quote from: "BuzzKill"
I also sent them running for the hills by telling them Charles Russel was a false prophet and the Watch-tower is as well, and that they are wrong on Jesus, the Trinity, Hell and many less significant issues.  

Different method, same result.

Let's not be so hasty...That "WatchTower" might be a decent sniper perch.  I could pick off all sorts of "witnesses" right fom there.
Title: Re: Exploiting freedom
Post by: Stonewall on September 08, 2010, 08:59:18 PM
Quote from: "ajax13"
Same guy who claimed that a mosque was being constructed a few yards from "ground zero".  Uses reification of "islam", a disingenous and artificial construct.  What is this person's agenda for manipulating the viewers in this disingenuous fashion?


The Imam behind Cordoba House is Feisal Abdul Rauf.  Here is a list of Imam Rauf's pals:
http://www.cfr.org/about/outreach/relig ... board.html (http://www.cfr.org/about/outreach/religioninitiative/advisory_board.html)

The Cordoba Initiative is in partnership with the American Society for Muslim Advancement, an organization chaired by Imam Rauf.
http://www.cordobainitiative.org/?q=content/ci-partners (http://www.cordobainitiative.org/?q=content/ci-partners)

And who is behind the ASMA?
•Carnegie Corporation of New York
•Rockefeller Brothers
•Rockefeller Philanthropy
•Rockefeller Brothers Fund
•Global Fund for Women
•William & Mary Greve Foundation
•The Sister Fund
•The Russell Family Foundation
•Danny Kaye & Sylvia Fine Foundation
•Graham Charitable Foundation
•Deak Family Foundation
•Henry Luce Foundation
•The Elizabeth Foundation
•The Ms. Foundation
•Hunt Alternatives
http://www.asmasociety.org/about/p_support.html (http://www.asmasociety.org/about/p_support.html)
But let's go back to Imam Rauf's position at the CFR.  Who is the CFR?
http://www.cfr.org/about/corporate/roster.html (http://www.cfr.org/about/corporate/roster.html)
Wahabbi you talkin' 'bout, Willis?


Have you heard of the Shariah Index Project?

It's a project of the Imam of Ground Zero fame. He's the most famous Muslim associated with Ground Zero since Mahammad Atta.

Anyway, I'll let him speak for himself...

http://www.cordobainitiative.org/?q=con ... ex-project (http://www.cordobainitiative.org/?q=content/shariah-index-project)

The only difference between a Moderate Muslim and those who celebrate Al Qaeda is the way they go about their goals, and their goals are the same. And, why would it be otherwise? Muhammad commanded his slaves to wage Jihad until the whole world was under Islamic Law.

Here is an article that the Cordoba folks thought was worthy of saving on their website...

http://www.cordobainitiative.org/?exter ... RM%3DZZNR6 (http://www.cordobainitiative.org/?external_link=business.timesonline.co.uk%2Ftol%2Fbusiness%2Flaw%2Farticle6721158.ece%3FFORM%3DZZNR6)

Defend that...
Title: Re: Exploiting freedom
Post by: ajax13 on September 08, 2010, 09:29:17 PM
Stony, you are as hilarious as ever.  The fear-mongering hate-peddlar is a great character.  I still admire the way you push the bit all the way.  The denouement where where you pretend that I was defending anything, when of course that was never the case, is a nifty flourish.
Title: Re: Exploiting freedom
Post by: Stonewall on September 08, 2010, 09:30:05 PM
The Ground Zero Imam wants Islamic Law in the U.S..

Lets look at this article about Islamic Law.

EU decries 'barbaric' plans to stone Iranian woman

By BRIAN MURPHY and NASSER KARIMI (AP) – 1 day ago

TEHRAN, Iran — The international crossfire over Iran's stoning sentence for a woman convicted of adultery intensified Tuesday with a top European Union official calling it "barbaric" and an Iranian spokesman saying it's about punishing a criminal and not a human rights issue.

The sharp words from both sides provide a snapshot of the dispute: Western leaders are ramping up pressure to call off the sentence for Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani and Iran is framing it as a matter for its own courts and society.

The case of the 43-year-old mother of two also spills over into larger and even more complex issues for Iran's Islamic leaders of national sovereignty and defense of their system of justice.

Iranian authorities routinely defend their legal codes and human rights standards as fully developed and in keeping with the country's traditions and values. They have widely ignored Western denunciations over the crackdowns after last year's disputed presidential election.

Iranian authorities also bristle at Western criticism — including U.S. State Department human rights reports — and say foreign governments overlook shortcomings in their own systems and fail to hold Western ally Israel accountable.

Iran's Foreign Ministry spokesman, Ramin Mehmanparast, showed Tuesday that the Islamic state was willing to push back just as hard as the West — at least with rhetoric.

"If release of all those who have committed murder is considered defending human rights, all European countries can ... free murderers in defense of human rights," Mehmanparast told reporters.

Ashtiani's stoning sentence was put on hold in July and is now being reviewed by Iran's supreme court. Iranian authorities also say she has been convicted of playing a role in her husband's 2005 murder.

But her lawyer, Houtan Javid Kian, says she was never formally put on trial on the charge of being an accomplice to murder and was not allowed to mount a defense.

At the European parliament, European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso said he was "appalled" by the news of the sentence.

"Barbaric beyond words," he said during his first State of the Union address in Strasbourg, France.

The case also has been wrapped up in claims of Iranian missteps and abuses.

Last month, Iranian authorities broadcast a purported confession from Ashtiani on state-run television. A woman identified as Ashtiani admitted to being an unwitting accomplice in her husband's killing. Kian said he believes she was tortured into confessing.

Then on Monday, Kian said he received word that his client was lashed 99 times last week in a separate punishment after British newspaper ran a picture of an unveiled woman mistakenly identified as Ashtiani. The newspaper, the Times of London, later apologized for the error.

There was no official Iranian confirmation of the new punishment.

Iran has given no signal it will bend easily to international appeals. Even an offer of asylum from Brazil — which is on friendly terms with Tehran — went nowhere.

The Vatican has hinted of the possibility of behind-the-scenes diplomacy to try to save her life.

French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner called the stoning sentence "the height of barbarism." Earlier, a hard-line Iranian newspaper, Kayhan, described French first lady Carla Bruni-Sarkozy as a "prostitute" for condemning the stoning sentence.

Mehmanparast, the Foreign Ministry spokesman, said the insult was not sanctioned by the government.

U.S. officials have so far let European allies lead the way over the case, preferring to keep up efforts to enforce tighter U.N. and American sanctions over Iran's nuclear program. But Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said last month that Washington remains "troubled" by the case and Ashtiani's "fate is unclear."

Ashtiani's lawyer sees the next critical period coming next week. The moratorium on death sentences during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan will end, and he worries that an execution could be then carried out "any moment."

Stonings of men and women were widely carried out in the early years after the 1979 Islamic revolution. More recently, the punishment has been imposed less frequently, but cases are rarely confirmed by authorities and no official records are released.

In January 2009, Iranian judiciary spokesman Ali Reza Jamshidi said two men convicted of adultery were stoned to death the previous month in the northeastern city of Mashhad.

Iran also reported a death by stoning in July 2007 for a man convicted of adultery. The U.N. human rights chief at the time, Louise Arbour, condemned the execution as a "clear violation of international law."

Hangings are frequently carried out in Iran, whose legal system is a mix of civil statutes and Quran-inspired codes. Magistrates, who are often Muslim clerics, have wide latitude on sentences for crimes that break moral codes.

In December 2008, Iranian authorities shut down the office of a human rights group led by Nobel Peace Prize winner Shirin Ebadi, whose efforts included appeals to ban stonings. Ebadi has not returned to Iran since last year's re-election of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Murphy reported from Dubai, United Arab Emirates.

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Can you believe it? Google is Islamaphobic.

The whole EU is Islamaphobic.

Islamic Law is like the in thing... Ask those For the Ground Zero Mosque. They'll defend this all day... it would be hateful not to. Bigoted. Racist. And, not very nice.
Title: Re: Exploiting freedom
Post by: Stonewall on September 08, 2010, 09:39:28 PM
Quote from: "ajax13"
Stony, you are as hilarious as ever.  The fear-mongering hate-peddlar is a great character.  I still admire the way you push the bit all the way.  The denouement where where you pretend that I was defending anything, when of course that was never the case, is a nifty flourish.


What is to hate? Fear?

I'm so excited I'm sending stones to Iran. The only fear I have is of flying... otherwise I'd be delivering those stones myself.

I want to be a non hate peddler. We should embrace the religion of the 7th Century.

Defending is what I saw. Acting as if those institutions supporting the Cordoba House have any meaning whatsoever. As if that should be the end of the story. I don't know why those institutions support Islamic Law. Perhaps we should ask them.

I am not hateful or anything of the sort. I just call it like it is. My position is very easy to have, because it is right.
Title: Re: Exploiting freedom
Post by: ajax13 on September 08, 2010, 09:45:39 PM
You're not afraid to take risks as a comedian Stony, and I applaud that.  Your character verges on the delusional when you use the self-contradiction, but it works as a part of the whole bit.  That cowardly aspect is amply explored in your work, the allegation that something has to be done about "islam", but then back-pedalling and stating there's nothing to fear.  Fantastic work, as always.