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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Hyde Schools => Topic started by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 02:15:00 PM
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I found the below post on another thread. I feel it is worth repeating because it is so on point! I do not know how wrote this, but he/she covers the most important problems at Hyde. This does not mean Hyde does not work for some, but please note, this is pretty much what you get when you attend Hyde................................................................................................
I sincerely appreciated your thoughtful message. Your concern about Hyde students responding on this site with perhaps inflammatory words is probably just age-appropriate, but may also truly reflect their frustration in being so very suppressed 24/7 and living in a fear-oriented atmosphere....this is just my gut reaction. This gives them a venue to vent without being (hopefully) put on 2/4.
I learned of this site recently from parents of a wonderful young man who spent two years at Hyde - He did NOT want to be a senior at Hyde - he was tired of it all, and was extremely frustrated that he was constantly being pulled out of academic classes to act as a "senior Proctor" for the kids on 2/4 when the school could not find enough available seniors.
He is happy with his transtion - but Hyde put his parents through absolute hell and agony when they chose to withdraw him - recommendations and school reports and all that stuff that is required to transfer ANYWHERE were just incredibly difficult to get.........Hyde didn't want to lose this student, but they did.
They also lost my son after just one year - My husband and I were totally "on board" with Hyde and totally committed to availing us of all opportunities...........participated fully and honestly at Family Weekends and FLCs. But it started to become apparent that we, too, were living in an atmosphere of fear and "Big Brother is Watching You" - There were often many HAPA parents strolling around with flat affect on their faces and "snooping" into people's private conversations, etc. - It was just so eery - My husband and I have made some really wonderful friends at Hyde - but our bond has been the genuine laughter we shared when we were allowed "off campus" for a meal during these weekends.
But backing up a bit - our son went to Hyde with our blessing for a few reasons. He is learning disabled, has two genetic brain anomalies which impact his auditory processsing and his word retrieval abilites. He needs the structure of a "shoe box" and NOT the structure of a "football field" - he was adopted at birth and has waded through immense attachment issues.
We thought the Hyde Message was great - (It turns out that the messenger is 180 degrees opposite...)
In our interview, we were told the following:
1. There were many adopted children at Hyde - and they were about to launch special programs for these adopted children with huge issues.
2. We were encouraged to sign our son up to participate in the "LEAD Program" - a nightly special ed study hall/classroom where their individual needs would be addressed - for this, we paid an additional 2/3,000 dollars each semester.
FACT-
Yes, there are many, many adopted children at Hyde - they never started any sort of help program - and when asked, they were dismissive - child's problems had nothing to do with adoption - we should just reach further into ourselves to ascertain that "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree" - In an FLC seminar, I mentioned that for our son, adopted at birth, the apple fell from a different tree in another orchard.........I got the evil stare from the facilitator - a divorcee and recovered (recovering?? - as are many...) alcoholic - she chewed me out literally after the seminar broke...
LEAD Program - we paid extra thousands of dollars so our son could get the extra academic help that he truly needs. Turns out that the LEAD program has NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING, to do with helping kids with learning disabilities. It is just a mandatory study hall - staffed by whomever might be available - there was absolutely no help given to individual students - according to our son, whom we have chosen to listen to, most of the time was spent by the "proctor" critiquing, criticising and demeaning the kids.
I spoke to a few of my son's teachers periodically about his progress. Bear in my mind, it can be VERY, VERY difficult to reach a teacher - you might wait DAYS for a return phone call - not always, but often enough.
I was just blown away by one of my son's teachers - who, after several questions from me, finally admitted that her "teaching credentials" included ONLY studying a foreign language in HIGH SCHOOL and then spending a few weeks in Europe!!!! She had no certification at all!!
The other issue which transcends all of the above is the lack of adequate medical staff. I have talked to many, many parents at Hyde. Some of their children have huge medical/psychological issues. And Hyde has a nurse and nursing staff who basically distribute meds.........period!!
When my son was ill last Winter at Hyde, I was phoned to be advised that he would be taken to a local doctor. I asked for his symptons - was told what they were - and then I asked if they had read his medical history - They had NOT - My son had a life-threatening disease when he was 3/5 years old - it impacts ALL medical intervention for him - they couldn't find his records - I ended up driving to Hyde on a minute's notice to take him to their local off-campus doctor - we ended up in the local hospital for further tests - and he was much sicker than Hyde would EVER have known, because THEY DIDN'T READ HIS HISTORY or COULD NOT FIND IT. I was appalled, and this incident started to turn the tide against HYDE for us as a family.
I just thought that if they can't even take care of him medically, how on earth can they take care of his learing issues.
I don't know how many of you know that there is no doctor on the Hyde campus and there are absolutely no medical professionals on campus to help a myriad of kids with a myriad of issues.
But one tragic moment sticks in my mind - and will stick in my mind forever........and should make ANY prospective parent think twice about Hyde and its abilitiy to deal with an emergency....
A father of a Hyde-Woodstock boy collapsed outside the gym last Spring - Hyde had no doctor to help him, Hyde had no defribilator to help, Hyde eventually called a local ambulance. The father died where he fell. Hyde THEN had NO help for the many kids who witnessed this tragedy.....Hyde again had no plan...........
And they seem to have truly NO plan for much of anything, but the constant hype to solicit the almighty $$$$ at every possible gathering.
Shame on Joe Gauld - and shame on his pathetic family followers and other wierd followers.......
I have never been in such a negative atmosphere - smiles and "good stuff" is put down. Truly sad....
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On 2005-12-17 11:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I found the below post on another thread. I feel it is worth repeating because it is so on point! I do not know how wrote this, but he/she covers the most important problems at Hyde. This does not mean Hyde does not work for some, but please note, this is pretty much what you get when you attend Hyde................................................................................................
I sincerely appreciated your thoughtful message. Your concern about Hyde students responding on this site with perhaps inflammatory words is probably just age-appropriate, but may also truly reflect their frustration in being so very suppressed 24/7 and living in a fear-oriented atmosphere....this is just my gut reaction. This gives them a venue to vent without being (hopefully) put on 2/4.
I learned of this site recently from parents of a wonderful young man who spent two years at Hyde - He did NOT want to be a senior at Hyde - he was tired of it all, and was extremely frustrated that he was constantly being pulled out of academic classes to act as a "senior Proctor" for the kids on 2/4 when the school could not find enough available seniors.
He is happy with his transtion - but Hyde put his parents through absolute hell and agony when they chose to withdraw him - recommendations and school reports and all that stuff that is required to transfer ANYWHERE were just incredibly difficult to get.........Hyde didn't want to lose this student, but they did.
They also lost my son after just one year - My husband and I were totally "on board" with Hyde and totally committed to availing us of all opportunities...........participated fully and honestly at Family Weekends and FLCs. But it started to become apparent that we, too, were living in an atmosphere of fear and "Big Brother is Watching You" - There were often many HAPA parents strolling around with flat affect on their faces and "snooping" into people's private conversations, etc. - It was just so eery - My husband and I have made some really wonderful friends at Hyde - but our bond has been the genuine laughter we shared when we were allowed "off campus" for a meal during these weekends.
But backing up a bit - our son went to Hyde with our blessing for a few reasons. He is learning disabled, has two genetic brain anomalies which impact his auditory processsing and his word retrieval abilites. He needs the structure of a "shoe box" and NOT the structure of a "football field" - he was adopted at birth and has waded through immense attachment issues.
We thought the Hyde Message was great - (It turns out that the messenger is 180 degrees opposite...)
In our interview, we were told the following:
1. There were many adopted children at Hyde - and they were about to launch special programs for these adopted children with huge issues.
2. We were encouraged to sign our son up to participate in the "LEAD Program" - a nightly special ed study hall/classroom where their individual needs would be addressed - for this, we paid an additional 2/3,000 dollars each semester.
FACT-
Yes, there are many, many adopted children at Hyde - they never started any sort of help program - and when asked, they were dismissive - child's problems had nothing to do with adoption - we should just reach further into ourselves to ascertain that "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree" - In an FLC seminar, I mentioned that for our son, adopted at birth, the apple fell from a different tree in another orchard.........I got the evil stare from the facilitator - a divorcee and recovered (recovering?? - as are many...) alcoholic - she chewed me out literally after the seminar broke...
LEAD Program - we paid extra thousands of dollars so our son could get the extra academic help that he truly needs. Turns out that the LEAD program has NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING, to do with helping kids with learning disabilities. It is just a mandatory study hall - staffed by whomever might be available - there was absolutely no help given to individual students - according to our son, whom we have chosen to listen to, most of the time was spent by the "proctor" critiquing, criticising and demeaning the kids.
I spoke to a few of my son's teachers periodically about his progress. Bear in my mind, it can be VERY, VERY difficult to reach a teacher - you might wait DAYS for a return phone call - not always, but often enough.
I was just blown away by one of my son's teachers - who, after several questions from me, finally admitted that her "teaching credentials" included ONLY studying a foreign language in HIGH SCHOOL and then spending a few weeks in Europe!!!! She had no certification at all!!
The other issue which transcends all of the above is the lack of adequate medical staff. I have talked to many, many parents at Hyde. Some of their children have huge medical/psychological issues. And Hyde has a nurse and nursing staff who basically distribute meds.........period!!
When my son was ill last Winter at Hyde, I was phoned to be advised that he would be taken to a local doctor. I asked for his symptons - was told what they were - and then I asked if they had read his medical history - They had NOT - My son had a life-threatening disease when he was 3/5 years old - it impacts ALL medical intervention for him - they couldn't find his records - I ended up driving to Hyde on a minute's notice to take him to their local off-campus doctor - we ended up in the local hospital for further tests - and he was much sicker than Hyde would EVER have known, because THEY DIDN'T READ HIS HISTORY or COULD NOT FIND IT. I was appalled, and this incident started to turn the tide against HYDE for us as a family.
I just thought that if they can't even take care of him medically, how on earth can they take care of his learing issues.
I don't know how many of you know that there is no doctor on the Hyde campus and there are absolutely no medical professionals on campus to help a myriad of kids with a myriad of issues.
But one tragic moment sticks in my mind - and will stick in my mind forever........and should make ANY prospective parent think twice about Hyde and its abilitiy to deal with an emergency....
A father of a Hyde-Woodstock boy collapsed outside the gym last Spring - Hyde had no doctor to help him, Hyde had no defribilator to help, Hyde eventually called a local ambulance. The father died where he fell. Hyde THEN had NO help for the many kids who witnessed this tragedy.....Hyde again had no plan...........
And they seem to have truly NO plan for much of anything, but the constant hype to solicit the almighty $$$$ at every possible gathering.
Shame on Joe Gauld - and shame on his pathetic family followers and other wierd followers.......
I have never been in such a negative atmosphere - smiles and "good stuff" is put down. Truly sad....
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I am so sorry you and your family had to go through that to really see the kind of place Hyde is. I also had to go through a horrible ordeal for my family to realize the kind of place Hyde is and how incredibly unsafe it is. I know that for a fact if you have a complaint about anything with them you are completely shot down. All the staff stand behind eachother (especially the lifers). The newcomers don't know any better and they all stood behind me at first, but it was clear that they were intimidated and completely backed off from me. I can honestly say that I would not send my worst enemy there. I wish you and your family the best and hope your son is receiving the help he needs.
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Oh plleeeeaaaase, you people are soooo dramatic.Find someone else to blame, its annoying. Hyde was a good school when I was there, a little tough, but hey what the fuck? We werent exactly angels to get sent there in the first place now, where we...So shut up already, wipe your tears :scared: :lol:
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On 2005-12-18 14:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Oh plleeeeaaaase, you people are soooo dramatic.Find someone else to blame, its annoying. Hyde was a good school when I was there, a little tough, but hey what the fuck? We werent exactly angels to get sent there in the first place now, where we...So shut up already, wipe your tears :scared: :lol: "
I am a parent who is interested in Hyde. If you are a typical example of the kind of graduate who comes out of Hyde (with a cynical, judgmental attitude, etc.) you've done me a great favor. This is not the kind of environment I want for my child. I am much more likely to listen to the people on this website who who have described their bad experiences at Hyde in a mature and respectful way.
At this point it's hard for me to imagine sending my child to Hyde.
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Im not the poster who wrote the last post, but I went to Hyde for 2 1/2 years and I had a good time, and made some of the bset relationships I have ever had, and still in contact to this day! I dont agree with ALL of Hydes philosophy's, but you'll be hard-pressed to find a school that is "flawless"...Hyde is nothing but good memories for me.
Jake 1995-1997
Hyde- Bath, ME
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On 2005-12-18 14:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-18 14:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Oh plleeeeaaaase, you people are soooo dramatic.Find someone else to blame, its annoying. Hyde was a good school when I was there, a little tough, but hey what the fuck? We werent exactly angels to get sent there in the first place now, where we...So shut up already, wipe your tears :scared: :lol: "
I am a parent who is interested in Hyde. If you are a typical example of the kind of graduate who comes out of Hyde (with a cynical, judgmental attitude, etc.) you've done me a great favor. This is not the kind of environment I want for my child. I am much more likely to listen to the people on this website who who have described their bad experiences at Hyde in a mature and respectful way.
At this point it's hard for me to imagine sending my child to Hyde."
Its so ironic that all these "potential parents" come on this board looking for help..I know for a fact that its the anti-Hyde assholes who are acting as if they are prospective parens to make it seem to the rest that they are actually discouraging people away, and being succesful..Please people, you guys are so gay..
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On 2005-12-18 14:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Oh plleeeeaaaase, you people are soooo dramatic.Find someone else to blame, its annoying. Hyde was a good school when I was there, a little tough, but hey what the fuck? We werent exactly angels to get sent there in the first place now, where we...So shut up already, wipe your tears :scared: :lol: "
You are making blanket statements that do not address any of the concerns and complaints that are listed in the original post.
You use the word, "dramatic." Hey, if telling the truth about something that happened to you at Hyde comes across to you as "dramatic" that is your problem!
Your other comment, "We weren't exactly angels to get sent there in the first place." Maybe this is your story, but it isn't for many others. I did not "SEND" my daughter there because she was bad. I ENROLLED her because I was told it was a great school for kids who are not motivated in school! This was not the case. I was LIED to and it affected her life in a very negative way!! You can't make up 2 wasted years of a teens life!
And NO, I won't "shut up already" because it is important for potential parents to see both sides of the picture so they can make the right choice for their kids.
And by the way, if you learned how to speak at Hyde with your foul language it only validates what everyone is saying on this board!
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Well said! I am having trouble understanding how some of what you guys are saying could actually happen at a school. Isn't there anyone who oversees these boarding schools and aren't there regulations as to what they can do and not do?
A couple of questions I have is;
1. How can kids go on this "2/4" for days or weeks at a time. In my state you can't miss school for that length of time. How do these kids make up the work they miss while on 2/4? Isn't this kind of counter productive? Also, aren't there laws about keeping kids out of school in Ct or Maine?
2. I've never heard of a school being a "non profit unless it is run by the govt or is strictly a program for some type of troubled or disabled youth." How is Hyde classified as a non profit if it is a normal school charging A LOT of $$$ and this family The Gauld's own all this property in two states and make the kind of money they do?
3. How is it possible to pass out meds to kids without some kind of Doctor on staff? What if a child has a bad reaction or needs emergency care right away?
I don't mean to sound dumb by all these questions, but it seems to me that there is a whole lot wrong with the way this school operates. Maybe someone with the school has the answers to these questions.
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Don't be misled by these posts!!! Hyde has it's flaws, but the school are run very well. If you look into that happens at ANY boarding school, there are some of the same concerns. Half the senior class was kicked out of a pretigeous boarding school in CT last year for drinking and sex, a friend who is Dean of Students at one of the nation's oldest and most prestigeous boarding schools, suspends or expells students for breaking rules on a weekly basis!
All private schools are 501(c)(3) Non profits. Again, look at the 990's for any school and you'll see that Hyde's salaries are WAY under the norm, and the fund raising is also a lot less. Exeter's Annual Fund is 5 million... Hyde's is $450K per campus. Exeter's Head makes well over $400K per year..Hyde's highest paid is Malcolm Gauld who after Salary and benefits has a hard time reaching $200K.
So Puleeeese, put hese concerns into perspective.
Thank you!
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On 2005-12-19 12:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Don't be misled by these posts!!! Hyde has it's flaws, but the school are run very well. If you look into that happens at ANY boarding school, there are some of the same concerns. Half the senior class was kicked out of a pretigeous boarding school in CT last year for drinking and sex, a friend who is Dean of Students at one of the nation's oldest and most prestigeous boarding schools, suspends or expells students for breaking rules on a weekly basis!
All private schools are 501(c)(3) Non profits. Again, look at the 990's for any school and you'll see that Hyde's salaries are WAY under the norm, and the fund raising is also a lot less. Exeter's Annual Fund is 5 million... Hyde's is $450K per campus. Exeter's Head makes well over $400K per year..Hyde's highest paid is Malcolm Gauld who after Salary and benefits has a hard time reaching $200K.
So Puleeeese, put hese concerns into perspective.
Thank you!"
THANK YOU GOD! Someone who actually isnt a babbling cry baby!!! Great post, keep it up! :tup: :tup:
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On 2005-12-19 12:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Don't be misled by these posts!!! Hyde has it's flaws, but the school are run very well. If you look into that happens at ANY boarding school, there are some of the same concerns. Half the senior class was kicked out of a pretigeous boarding school in CT last year for drinking and sex, a friend who is Dean of Students at one of the nation's oldest and most prestigeous boarding schools, suspends or expells students for breaking rules on a weekly basis!
All private schools are 501(c)(3) Non profits. Again, look at the 990's for any school and you'll see that Hyde's salaries are WAY under the norm, and the fund raising is also a lot less. Exeter's Annual Fund is 5 million... Hyde's is $450K per campus. Exeter's Head makes well over $400K per year..Hyde's highest paid is Malcolm Gauld who after Salary and benefits has a hard time reaching $200K.
So Puleeeese, put hese concerns into perspective.
Thank you!"
What about his wife Laura Gauld's salary plus the book they wrote which EVERY parent going through any of their programs is required to buy? What about the VERY high traveling and entertainment on the 990's?
As far as the Annual Fund, I think this says something about the school. Former students, parents, etc are not interested in giving! This is quite a statement for a school which has been in existence for 40 years!!
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You are not interested in giving....don't lump everyone else in that catagory!
The school has raised almost 12M in the past year for capital projects and almost a million in annual giving.
Your propoganda is just ridiculous!
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On 2005-12-19 19:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-19 12:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Don't be misled by these posts!!! Hyde has it's flaws, but the school are run very well. If you look into that happens at ANY boarding school, there are some of the same concerns. Half the senior class was kicked out of a pretigeous boarding school in CT last year for drinking and sex, a friend who is Dean of Students at one of the nation's oldest and most prestigeous boarding schools, suspends or expells students for breaking rules on a weekly basis!
All private schools are 501(c)(3) Non profits. Again, look at the 990's for any school and you'll see that Hyde's salaries are WAY under the norm, and the fund raising is also a lot less. Exeter's Annual Fund is 5 million... Hyde's is $450K per campus. Exeter's Head makes well over $400K per year..Hyde's highest paid is Malcolm Gauld who after Salary and benefits has a hard time reaching $200K.
So Puleeeese, put hese concerns into perspective.
Thank you!"
What about his wife Laura Gauld's salary plus the book they wrote which EVERY parent going through any of their programs is required to buy? What about the VERY high traveling and entertainment on the 990's?
As far as the Annual Fund, I think this says something about the school. Former students, parents, etc are not interested in giving! This is quite a statement for a school which has been in existence for 40 years!!"
Actually, I'm not very concerned about Hyde's finances. Perhaps a few people there are making healthy salaries. I imagine that most staff there make pretty average salaries given boarding school standards.
However, I am MUCH more concerned about the Hyde model, especially based on many of the comments I've read here and our family's own experiences. There's no doubt in my mind that Hyde should be avoided at all costs, not because of their revenue but because of the widely documented abusive and negligent practices. Our family is learning about many other schools that are run so much more professionally.
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On 2005-12-20 05:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You are not interested in giving....don't lump everyone else in that catagory!
The school has raised almost 12M in the past year for capital projects and almost a million in annual giving.
Your propoganda is just ridiculous!"
Truth is very few alumni give to this school based on the number of alumni! Whatever..... really isn't important other than it shows many alumni families at Hyde never want to see the place again!
It is true what the other poster said. There are much more serious concerns about Hyde besides their financial status! I have tremendous worries about children being harmed at Hyde both psychologically and physically, especially through neglect!
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I was just told of this site by the mother of a former Hyde Student - her son was at Hyde for 2 years and has left to continue elsewhere. Our son, too, has left Hyde after one year to continue elsewhere.
I have read a few of the other threads...
But one comment mentioned in this thread particularly caught my eye.......and I must send a "caveat" with MY comment...
Our family had huge concerns about Hyde - eventually - their medical staff and lack thereof; their teaching staff and lack of credentials; their in-bred professional staff (family and friends) etc.
Other threads have spoken most honestly about the daily life of a child there and weekend life for the parents in FLCs and seminars. The total lack of professional staff screams for a remedy.
But what truly caught my eye here was the comparison of compensation between Hyde and Phillips Exeter Academy in Exeter NH -
My brother went to Exeter - my son went to Hyde for a year - we are not even talking apples and oranges here -
A more 180 degree comparison could not have been made.
My brother went to Exeter - graduated from Yale - graduated from Columbia Law School - was a Rhodes scholar - was a Fulbright Scholar - was a Hague Scholar - and he was sort of a middle of the class student at Exeter. But he WAS well educated there - their reputation speaks for itself.
To compare their Headmaster's salary with Hyde's is just ludicrous.......
What does Hyde do with its money?? - They certainly don't spend it on their students' needs nor on their staff..........nor on their medical staff nor on a doctor nor on psychologists nor on psychiatrists for their kids.
If they did....their kids might perform better.
I know of six families whose children have left Hyde within the past year - EACH of these children has had to repeat a year of school - academics are not there at Hyde - so why on earth would anyone want to give money to a school that can't produce either character or age-appropriate education.
I weep for the needy kids at Hyde who are in constant fear and trembling and afraid to reach out -
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On 2005-12-20 15:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I was just told of this site by the mother of a former Hyde Student - her son was at Hyde for 2 years and has left to continue elsewhere. Our son, too, has left Hyde after one year to continue elsewhere.
I have read a few of the other threads...
But one comment mentioned in this thread particularly caught my eye.......and I must send a "caveat" with MY comment...
Our family had huge concerns about Hyde - eventually - their medical staff and lack thereof; their teaching staff and lack of credentials; their in-bred professional staff (family and friends) etc.
Other threads have spoken most honestly about the daily life of a child there and weekend life for the parents in FLCs and seminars. The total lack of professional staff screams for a remedy.
But what truly caught my eye here was the comparison of compensation between Hyde and Phillips Exeter Academy in Exeter NH -
My brother went to Exeter - my son went to Hyde for a year - we are not even talking apples and oranges here -
A more 180 degree comparison could not have been made.
My brother went to Exeter - graduated from Yale - graduated from Columbia Law School - was a Rhodes scholar - was a Fulbright Scholar - was a Hague Scholar - and he was sort of a middle of the class student at Exeter. But he WAS well educated there - their reputation speaks for itself.
To compare their Headmaster's salary with Hyde's is just ludicrous.......
What does Hyde do with its money?? - They certainly don't spend it on their students' needs nor on their staff..........nor on their medical staff nor on a doctor nor on psychologists nor on psychiatrists for their kids.
If they did....their kids might perform better.
I know of six families whose children have left Hyde within the past year - EACH of these children has had to repeat a year of school - academics are not there at Hyde - so why on earth would anyone want to give money to a school that can't produce either character or age-appropriate education.
I weep for the needy kids at Hyde who are in constant fear and trembling and afraid to reach out - "
Thanks for taking the time to share your Hyde experience. As you can see, you have plenty of company among parents posting on this website. Many of us have similar stories to tell -- enrolling at Hyde with one set of assumptions, discovering that those assumptions were quite wrong, realizing that Hyde can be a terribly abusive environment and that so many staff at Hyde are ill-equipped to handle the complex mental health needs of so many students there. We too have encountered many Hyde families that left or are leaving in disgust.
The poor educational experience at Hyde merely adds salt to the wound. (I'll never forget how one of the teachers who facilitated one of my FLC seminars talked in detail about what a horrible student he was, how he barely made it through college, etc. His grammar was poor as he spoke. I can't imagine this fellow would have been hired at a school with real academic standards. I sat there thinking to myself, we're paying $36,000 a year to get teachers like this?! And that's not to mention the fact that this very young man had no training to handle students' amazingly complicated mental health issues that came up in those seminar discussions. Yikes.
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On 2005-12-20 15:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I was just told of this site by the mother of a former Hyde Student - her son was at Hyde for 2 years and has left to continue elsewhere. Our son, too, has left Hyde after one year to continue elsewhere.
I have read a few of the other threads...
But one comment mentioned in this thread particularly caught my eye.......and I must send a "caveat" with MY comment...
Our family had huge concerns about Hyde - eventually - their medical staff and lack thereof; their teaching staff and lack of credentials; their in-bred professional staff (family and friends) etc.
Other threads have spoken most honestly about the daily life of a child there and weekend life for the parents in FLCs and seminars. The total lack of professional staff screams for a remedy.
But what truly caught my eye here was the comparison of compensation between Hyde and Phillips Exeter Academy in Exeter NH -
My brother went to Exeter - my son went to Hyde for a year - we are not even talking apples and oranges here -
A more 180 degree comparison could not have been made.
My brother went to Exeter - graduated from Yale - graduated from Columbia Law School - was a Rhodes scholar - was a Fulbright Scholar - was a Hague Scholar - and he was sort of a middle of the class student at Exeter. But he WAS well educated there - their reputation speaks for itself.
To compare their Headmaster's salary with Hyde's is just ludicrous.......
What does Hyde do with its money?? - They certainly don't spend it on their students' needs nor on their staff..........nor on their medical staff nor on a doctor nor on psychologists nor on psychiatrists for their kids.
If they did....their kids might perform better.
I know of six families whose children have left Hyde within the past year - EACH of these children has had to repeat a year of school - academics are not there at Hyde - so why on earth would anyone want to give money to a school that can't produce either character or age-appropriate education.
I weep for the needy kids at Hyde who are in constant fear and trembling and afraid to reach out - "
I am not at all surprised to hear that you know 6 families whose children have left Hyde within the past year, had to repeat a year of school, etc. This is part of the pattern, where many families spend some time at Hyde, figure out that it has MAJOR shortcomings, and leave. Those who stay often are the "Hyde groupies" or don't have the emotional energy, money or wherewithal to look for alternatives.
You should also add into this mix the many parents who are astonished, as we were, to discover how dependent Hyde is on that series of gimmicky exercises and assignments they use for FLC's, seminars, etc. When I started completing those assignments and participated in some of those "experiential exercises" during seminars I couldn't believe how supeficial many of them are, and how poorly implemented and processed they are. I've seen more sophisticated assignments and exercises in my kids' summer camps and pre-teen groups (when they were in middle school).
Hyde seems to love simplistic gimmicks, jargon, and cliches. They've got a formula that they think is sophisticated. Most of it is downright embarrassing and pitched at a very low level. Hyde staff ought to get off campus and really see what sophisticated schools do to help students and parents grow. The comparison is unbelievable.
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Ahhhh, seems your futile board is dying a slow death, WE WON :wave:
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Think again little one. This place has been around before you got here and will continue on long after you're gone.
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I do think this board will be around for a long time, but it just goes to show you that when the 6 people that are the only negative posters on this board are busy...there's not a lot of action.
Happy Holidays!!
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Oh, there's many, many more of us than you would expect. We just get tired of the non-sensical rants of the proponents of the abuse factories.
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On 2005-12-22 14:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I do think this board will be around for a long time, but it just goes to show you that when the 6 people that are the only negative posters on this board are busy...there's not a lot of action.
Happy Holidays!!"
You're very wrong, I believe. Here's the dynamic, I think: A number of people have heard about this website and have had an awful lot to get off their chests about the horror they are experiencing, or have experienced, at Hyde. People have shared lots of terrible stories, pain, and anguish. One can only say the same thing so many times. It's absolutely predictable that after some time people who've said what they have to say would slow down. That's what you're seeing here, I believe. In my own case, I fit that pattern. I plan to visit this site periodically, but less often (like Lars). I'm confident that people who are Googling Hyde will find this site and find the observations many people have shared. Those Hyde criticisms are here to stay, so long as this website exists. I wouldn't assume for a minute that less frequent postings mean the anti-Hyde passion has weakened. I feel as strongly as I ever did that parents should not enroll their kids at Hyde; in fact, what I've read on this website reinforces my convictions about Hyde's cult qualities and unprofessional features. I simply won't be posting as often.
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http://www.ex-cult.org/ (http://www.ex-cult.org/) look under General Info.
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On 2005-12-22 16:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"http://www.ex-cult.org/ look under General Info.
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Hyde is a horrible place. I would never refer to it as a school because "schools" teach children. Hyde doesn't have an acceptable education system. Hyde is a Cult! Take it from me, I went there and I wouldn't send my worst enemy!
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On 2005-12-22 19:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-22 16:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"http://www.ex-cult.org/ look under General Info.
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Hyde is a horrible place. I would never refer to it as a school because "schools" teach children. Hyde doesn't have an acceptable education system. Hyde is a Cult! Take it from me, I went there and I wouldn't send my worst enemy!"
Thats due to the fact that you are a weak little piece of dog shit that needs to be shot
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On 2005-12-22 22:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-22 19:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-22 16:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"http://www.ex-cult.org/ look under General Info.
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Hyde is a horrible place. I would never refer to it as a school because "schools" teach children. Hyde doesn't have an acceptable education system. Hyde is a Cult! Take it from me, I went there and I wouldn't send my worst enemy!"
Thats due to the fact that you are a weak little piece of dog shit that needs to be shot"
No, weak is someone who walks away from confrontation and will not speak their minds. You might disagree with what I say, but this is not being weak by saying it!
As far as needing to be shot, you must go to Hyde School if you are this violent. I would never threaten such violence simply because someone is giving their opionions about a place they had a negative experience at.
By the way, I believe it is against the law to threaten, so please be careful. I do hope you end up at another school besides Hyde where they will teach you about Character and manners!
Again I say, Hyde is a bad school with many kids who I would not want my child around. This post above is a very good example!
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When did I threat, I said "needs to be shot" ...Where's the threat in that ?? Get real, loser cry baby, toughen up..
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When the Nazis burned the synagog at Kronenburg, they didn't say "Herr Shweiker, you will burn the synagog" or "We will burn the synagog." The order stated, "The synagog will be burned" and the dutiful locall officers carried it along.
Regardless of how you phrase it (and it's endemic to Synanon based programs to confuse the terms "you need" with "I want".) real men w/ their very real flesh bent to the work of setting afire their neighbors' place of worship.
Needs to be shot? Who needs to be shot? What you're saying is that you want him to be shot; maybe you want to do the shooting? Maybe not, maybe you're the type who would rather just set it in motion then sit back and watch, pretending it's not your fault.
Duct tape is like the force; it has a light side and a dark side and it holds the universe together.
--Jedi Knight school drop out.
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On 2005-12-24 06:47:00, Antigen wrote:
"When the Nazis burned the synagog at Kronenburg, they didn't say "Herr Shweiker, you will burn the synagog" or "We will burn the synagog." The order stated, "The synagog will be burned" and the dutiful locall officers carried it along.
Regardless of how you phrase it (and it's endemic to Synanon based programs to confuse the terms "you need" with "I want".) real men w/ their very real flesh bent to the work of setting afire their neighbors' place of worship.
Needs to be shot? Who needs to be shot? What you're saying is that you want him to be shot; maybe you want to do the shooting? Maybe not, maybe you're the type who would rather just set it in motion then sit back and watch, pretending it's not your fault.
Duct tape is like the force; it has a light side and a dark side and it holds the universe together.
--Jedi Knight school drop out.
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The truth is Antigen this is the type of student that Hyde puts out there on the street and says he was a success! This is why it is important to stay clear of Hyde!!
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I agree! The posters who seem to be defending Hyde all have the same thing in common. They speak the same Cult like language, they cuss and swear, and they seldom have a mature dialog going!
They say that Hyde builds character and prepares kids for the future. All that I see are a bunch of Cultists from Hyde making the same comments over and over again!
I much prefer my child to be his own person, be taught independent thinking skills, learn respect for his fellow man, be taught in a way that is realistic in todays world! It doesn't seem as though this is what Hyde accomplishes with the majority of the kids who go there.
I urge parents to do a lot of research before they send their children to Hyde. Hyde is not the kind of school to consider if your child has motivation problems, mental health issues, drug or alchohol abuse, or if your teen is going through typical teen "stuff."
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On 2005-12-27 07:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I agree! The posters who seem to be defending Hyde all have the same thing in common. They speak the same Cult like language, they cuss and swear, and they seldom have a mature dialog going!
They say that Hyde builds character and prepares kids for the future. All that I see are a bunch of Cultists from Hyde making the same comments over and over again!
I much prefer my child to be his own person, be taught independent thinking skills, learn respect for his fellow man, be taught in a way that is realistic in todays world! It doesn't seem as though this is what Hyde accomplishes with the majority of the kids who go there.
I urge parents to do a lot of research before they send their children to Hyde. Hyde is not the kind of school to consider if your child has motivation problems, mental health issues, drug or alchohol abuse, or if your teen is going through typical teen "stuff.""
You're absolutely right. We made a mistake when we enrolled at the Hyde School; we didn't do enough research or hire a competent educational consultant. We made our decision on very superficial impressions of Hyde. Unfortunately we were real naive about boarding schools for teens.
We sure have learned a lot since then. Now we know what questions to ask. We decided to leave Hyde and look for another school. We have been so very disappointed with the Hyde School. The education has been very weak and we have been appalled by some of the staff behavior we've seen. Also, our child could use some mental health services (not major ones, but some counseling to deal with some difficult issues) and Hyde just isn't set up to deal with that. We've learned that Hyde doesn't really care about the emotional stuff kids deal with. For Hyde everything is a "character" issue and we think that's a terrible way to look at a lot of teens who have problems (although I agree that character is important too).
Yes, parents certainly should ask lots of questions before going to Hyde. I think going to Hyde is a BIG mistake for just about every teen and family.
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On 2005-12-27 07:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I agree! The posters who seem to be defending Hyde all have the same thing in common. They speak the same Cult like language, they cuss and swear, and they seldom have a mature dialog going!
They say that Hyde builds character and prepares kids for the future. All that I see are a bunch of Cultists from Hyde making the same comments over and over again!
I much prefer my child to be his own person, be taught independent thinking skills, learn respect for his fellow man, be taught in a way that is realistic in todays world! It doesn't seem as though this is what Hyde accomplishes with the majority of the kids who go there.
I urge parents to do a lot of research before they send their children to Hyde. Hyde is not the kind of school to consider if your child has motivation problems, mental health issues, drug or alchohol abuse, or if your teen is going through typical teen "stuff.""
I was recently contacted by another set of parents who have decided to withdraw their child from Hyde in the middle of the year. From all reports this child was not getting into trouble and was not "off track" (to use the Hyde lingo). The parents figured out how appalling a lot of what goes on at Hyde is. In our conversation they described many instances where some of the Hyde staff behaved very unprofessionally. One of the parents is particularly incensed with Joe Gauld. The parent went on and on about his emotionally abusive behavior and language. The parents said they had no idea that Hyde was like this when they started there. They are convinced they have to get their child and themselves away from this school.
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On 2006-01-02 04:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-27 07:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I agree! The posters who seem to be defending Hyde all have the same thing in common. They speak the same Cult like language, they cuss and swear, and they seldom have a mature dialog going!
They say that Hyde builds character and prepares kids for the future. All that I see are a bunch of Cultists from Hyde making the same comments over and over again!
I much prefer my child to be his own person, be taught independent thinking skills, learn respect for his fellow man, be taught in a way that is realistic in todays world! It doesn't seem as though this is what Hyde accomplishes with the majority of the kids who go there.
I urge parents to do a lot of research before they send their children to Hyde. Hyde is not the kind of school to consider if your child has motivation problems, mental health issues, drug or alchohol abuse, or if your teen is going through typical teen "stuff.""
I was recently contacted by another set of parents who have decided to withdraw their child from Hyde in the middle of the year. From all reports this child was not getting into trouble and was not "off track" (to use the Hyde lingo). The parents figured out how appalling a lot of what goes on at Hyde is. In our conversation they described many instances where some of the Hyde staff behaved very unprofessionally. One of the parents is particularly incensed with Joe Gauld. The parent went on and on about his emotionally abusive behavior and language. The parents said they had no idea that Hyde was like this when they started there. They are convinced they have to get their child and themselves away from this school. "
You are full of shit :wave:
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On 2006-01-02 12:40:00, Anonymous You are full of shit :wave: "
Specifics please.
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You assholes exaggerate so much!! I'm not impressed by the constant theme of students getting "pulled" every goddamn day...It's getting old people...Get a new hobby or kill yourself :rofl: :rofl: :cry2: :lol:
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Yes, parents certainly should ask lots of questions before going to Hyde. I think going to Hyde is a BIG mistake for just about every teen and family."
Oh come on already, you guys are so predictable and constantly use the same rhetoric bullshit over and over again. I want you to find something PRODUCTIVE to do, and stop blaming all your problems on a little school nestled in the woods of Maine...
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On 2006-01-02 15:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
It's getting old people...Get a new hobby or kill yourself
Ah, yet more examples of the results of Hyde.....wishing death to anyone who dares question their heros. :roll: You guys are a prime example of the kind of results parents can expect coming out of Hyde.
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The Hyde School will be around LONG after you croak!
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Sadly, that may be true. There are always gullible parents on which Hyde can prey. At least the ones who still retain any critical thinking skills can come here and see the results from a kid being in there. Thanks for doing your part, you've helped more than you know. :wave:
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Blow it out your ass :cry2: :lol:
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Folks, this is the type of student you will find at Hyde School! It is probably someone who is home on winter break!
The previous post is EXACTLY the reason I took my daughter out of Hyde! I am convinced she would have continued to be in a harmful environment! The marketing materials about Hyde School is opposite of what I found to be true! I am glad we are away from that looney place full of staff who are losers themselves! God help the kids who get sent there!
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Hmmm...
Calling the staff losers...
Maybe you should look at yourself first, after all, your daughter prbably had no shot at getting into a "real" boarding school. Apple doesn't fall far from the tree....."Loser"
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So are you admitting Hyde is not a "real" boarding school? I agree fully with this statement!! Thank you!
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I agree that the current climate has made it harder to fill a school like Hyde, because the first tier schools are taking the under-achiver that Hyde does so well with and in turn allows your daughter to be admitted, with a committment from your family to give it a go, when in the past you would have been driving back to your shrink trying to figure out what wilderness program or therapy school to send her to to be fixed, while you sit at home, hoping that some schmuck in Utah can fix the damage you did to your kid while you watch digital cable and sip on bottom shelf Vodka.
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On 2006-01-03 08:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I agree that the current climate has made it harder to fill a school like Hyde, because the first tier schools are taking the under-achiver that Hyde does so well with and in turn allows your daughter to be admitted, with a committment from your family to give it a go, when in the past you would have been driving back to your shrink trying to figure out what wilderness program or therapy school to send her to to be fixed, while you sit at home, hoping that some schmuck in Utah can fix the damage you did to your kid while you watch digital cable and sip on bottom shelf Vodka."
Absolutely BRILLIANT post :tup:
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On 2006-01-03 07:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hmmm...
Calling the staff losers...
Maybe you should look at yourself first, after all, your daughter prbably had no shot at getting into a "real" boarding school. Apple doesn't fall far from the tree....."Loser""
Another great post, I love this anon!! :tup: :tup:
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Hi everyone,
I came across this site because while I was at hyde I had heard of someone making an "anti-hyde" website and they were soon going to get an accounatbility, but I said to myself "as soon as i get out of this place im going to find an anti-hyde website and tell the truth about this place" I wish there were more sites like this and hopefully you guys can keep posting and hope that students and parents cotemplating about visiting hyde will see these sites and not believ everything that the school and faculty have to say about the program. I went to hyde for the 2005 summer challenge, thinking it was some kind of summer camp. boy was i wrong! It was a nightmare to say the least. When I had first been shown a tour of the school (by a student!) The student didn't even mention anything about this 2-4 thing and shadowing, crew etc. I learned for myself over the next 5 wks. I came in being more of an under-achiever I guess than a substance abuser, which most of the students were. All of the staff and students tried to "put me in a box" since I didnt speak much about myself in discovery groups. The whole time I knew what they were trying to do, figure me out and put a label on me, then tell my parents about my problems but putting it so to not to offend anyone and giving them hope if iwere to attend this school, they could "straighten me out" . I tried to get away with telling as little about myself over the next 5 wks and just talking to the kids there. But doing this only made the staff more angry. They took me out of my bed in the middle of nights to "confess" when I was really only witholding information about myself, not anything that I was doing or would do.I was put on 2-4, 5:30's, and shadows. At this point they were puzzled. Since I didnt talk much in discovery groups, the staff was sure that I was a supsicious student that had something to hide, when really all I was trying to do was protect myself. During the last few weeks, I started to get annoyed and desperate. I wasnt getting any sleep and I was blamed for things that I haden't done. When someone had drugs or something was stolen, I was under suspicion. At this point they were puzzled, and I started to confess to things I hadent done just to get the staff off of my back and get some rest. They told my parents on the phone that I was "minupulative, stubborn, and had an attitude problem". My parents were not allowed to talk to me since I was on phone restriction for most of the time, but they knew that something wrong was going on. When my parents came for the last day and we all met in discovery groups, the staff told them everything that wasnt true about me. How I had smoked in the bathroom, how I had stolen things, how i was minupalitive and lied. But they finished off with telling my parents that there was still hope for me, and that deep down I was a good person etc. and could be saved if I attended Hyde school in the fall. My parents were not buying it, and I was saved. Hyde is not like other boarding schools, and its a sticky situation when you only hear good things about the school from the school itself. The sad thing is that I think the kids there feel that if they were to tell the truth about how difficult and exhausting the school is to the parents on a tour or on a visit, etc, there would always be someone there to rat them out and they would get some kind of accountability. Its very cult-like there if you know what I mean, not one person can go astray or else all eyes are on them. Im thankful that I am not going to that school, and I have the utmost sympathy for the kids who are attending now and are having a tough time. Just keep your chin up, and wait until you can attend college! Keep posting!
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On 2006-01-03 12:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hi everyone,
I came across this site because while I was at hyde I had heard of someone making an "anti-hyde" website and they were soon going to get an accounatbility, but I said to myself "as soon as i get out of this place im going to find an anti-hyde website and tell the truth about this place" I wish there were more sites like this and hopefully you guys can keep posting and hope that students and parents cotemplating about visiting hyde will see these sites and not believ everything that the school and faculty have to say about the program. I went to hyde for the 2005 summer challenge, thinking it was some kind of summer camp. boy was i wrong! It was a nightmare to say the least. When I had first been shown a tour of the school (by a student!) The student didn't even mention anything about this 2-4 thing and shadowing, crew etc. I learned for myself over the next 5 wks. I came in being more of an under-achiever I guess than a substance abuser, which most of the students were. All of the staff and students tried to "put me in a box" since I didnt speak much about myself in discovery groups. The whole time I knew what they were trying to do, figure me out and put a label on me, then tell my parents about my problems but putting it so to not to offend anyone and giving them hope if iwere to attend this school, they could "straighten me out" . I tried to get away with telling as little about myself over the next 5 wks and just talking to the kids there. But doing this only made the staff more angry. They took me out of my bed in the middle of nights to "confess" when I was really only witholding information about myself, not anything that I was doing or would do.I was put on 2-4, 5:30's, and shadows. At this point they were puzzled. Since I didnt talk much in discovery groups, the staff was sure that I was a supsicious student that had something to hide, when really all I was trying to do was protect myself. During the last few weeks, I started to get annoyed and desperate. I wasnt getting any sleep and I was blamed for things that I haden't done. When someone had drugs or something was stolen, I was under suspicion. At this point they were puzzled, and I started to confess to things I hadent done just to get the staff off of my back and get some rest. They told my parents on the phone that I was "minupulative, stubborn, and had an attitude problem". My parents were not allowed to talk to me since I was on phone restriction for most of the time, but they knew that something wrong was going on. When my parents came for the last day and we all met in discovery groups, the staff told them everything that wasnt true about me. How I had smoked in the bathroom, how I had stolen things, how i was minupalitive and lied. But they finished off with telling my parents that there was still hope for me, and that deep down I was a good person etc. and could be saved if I attended Hyde school in the fall. My parents were not buying it, and I was saved. Hyde is not like other boarding schools, and its a sticky situation when you only hear good things about the school from the school itself. The sad thing is that I think the kids there feel that if they were to tell the truth about how difficult and exhausting the school is to the parents on a tour or on a visit, etc, there would always be someone there to rat them out and they would get some kind of accountability. Its very cult-like there if you know what I mean, not one person can go astray or else all eyes are on them. Im thankful that I am not going to that school, and I have the utmost sympathy for the kids who are attending now and are having a tough time. Just keep your chin up, and wait until you can attend college! Keep posting!"
Your experience during summer challenge is incredibly similar to what I saw during my full year at Hyde. And what you describe is pretty mild compared to what I saw during the rest of the year. Summer challenge is a much "lighter" experience than the regular year. During the regular year I saw what you saw PLUS a boatload of more extreme things. I saw staff yell at kids, call them names, and embarrass kids in public. I sat in family seminars and saw parents yelling at their kids, kids yelling at their parents, parents saying awful things to other parents, staff saying awful things to parents, you name it. There are a few good people at Hyde, but most of the people I met have real serious problems and they're not getting the right help there. There are so many Hyde students with serious mental and emotional issues, and I never met anybody on staff who could provide counseling. Hyde doesn't believe in counseling, which is amazing to me since it admits so many kids who have serious issues.
Thank you for telling people what it's like at Hyde. Where did you go after leaving? I hope it worked out.
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On 2006-01-03 08:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I agree that the current climate has made it harder to fill a school like Hyde, because the first tier schools are taking the under-achiver that Hyde does so well with . . ."
I think you're absolutely right about the fact that Hyde is having a harder time enrolling students because more traditional boarding schools are taking the kinds of kids that used to go to Hyde. I also think Hyde's deteriorating reputation is affecting enrollments. Based on my time at Hyde it seems that the school is taking many kids it can't serve effectively. I'm amazed at the number of Hyde students with real significant psychiatric issues and substance abuse issues. As far as I know, the school doesn't have anybody on staff to provide mental health counseling, and they have the part-time guy come in to do substance abuse groups. That sounds like a recipe for disaster, with so many kids who need counseling and no real counseling program.
I really disagree with your statement that Hyde does so well "with the under-achiever." That's not what I've seen. Hyde may be ok with the kid who underachieves and doesn't have much more than an "attitude" problem. But as far as I can tell there are SO MANY kids at Hyde who have so many more problems, and the school does a terrible job with those kids. I've seen so many kids fall apart at Hyde, and so many of these have serious mental health problems.
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I can't believe I came accross this website, I am now in the process of dealing with the situation that my youngest son who has been attending Hyde since November 2005 refuses to go back and I supporthim completely on this, yet his father (we're legally separted) who is an ex-Hyde student is trying his hardest to convince me otherwise. In the first place his father sent him there because he could not discipline my son properly and since he has residential custody of him I felt really I could not relly help my son and agreed to send him there. I have seen my son go from a vibrant, energetic, bright young man to a mummy. I see his fear and agree with all of you who talk about this being a "cult-like" situation. I went there for their spring retreat and that is exactly how I felt, that I was in the middle of a cult and was actually amazed to read how so many people on this website reffers to Hyde in the same way I do! Last night my ex took me out for a coctail to do his best to convince me that my son is being a quiter and needs to go back and finish this year. I see his point of view but I also see and feel the unhappiness in my son. He has chosen to be with me and stay in my house during the holiday season because he could not even stand being next to his father. Instead of this helping a relationship between father and son it has made my son angrier.
When I heard my ex talking to me last night I saw all the "Hyde" lingo and expressions being said to me,and I even told him that all that comes out of his mouth is pure Hyde. My ex never graduated from Hyde, because at the time he went his sister was also going and his family could not afford to have two kids going to that same school, well Mr. Gauld (father) and other Hyde officials, told him at the time that they would much rather have his sister attend Hyde than him because she showed more leadership potential hthan he did. This, I believe completely scared my ex and actually when he went to one of the FLC's he got an apology form all of the Gaulds because they "did him wrong" then. As a matter of fact even though my ex graduated Hig School from another school, he last night told me that he willbe receiving his diploma from Hyde very soon, he just has to give a lecture or a speech in front of the school and he will receive it.
My middle son is also attending Hyde and it has not seem to affect him emotionally at all, but his little brother tells me that he just "goes with the flow and does everything they tell him to do there". . .
I certainly feel that this place may be good for some kids but definitely not for my youngest and as I said I am so glad I found this place where I can see other's oppinions on this school. I was made to belive by my ex last night that I am crazy by thinking this way about Hyde and it being a cult.
And as far as the school providing records for me to transfer him to another school, it has been extremely difficult to get anything from them. The Registrar has given me nothing but attitude when I have been calling her every single day after she promises she will fax the records "as soon as she gets approval form the business office" and I have not received a thing. The other day she could not do ti because it was snowing in Maine and she had to go home. . . .
I look forward to reading more from you all.
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On 2006-01-07 06:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I can't believe I came accross this website, I am now in the process of dealing with the situation that my youngest son who has been attending Hyde since November 2005 refuses to go back and I supporthim completely on this, yet his father (we're legally separted) who is an ex-Hyde student is trying his hardest to convince me otherwise. In the first place his father sent him there because he could not discipline my son properly and since he has residential custody of him I felt really I could not relly help my son and agreed to send him there. I have seen my son go from a vibrant, energetic, bright young man to a mummy. I see his fear and agree with all of you who talk about this being a "cult-like" situation. I went there for their spring retreat and that is exactly how I felt, that I was in the middle of a cult and was actually amazed to read how so many people on this website reffers to Hyde in the same way I do! Last night my ex took me out for a coctail to do his best to convince me that my son is being a quiter and needs to go back and finish this year. I see his point of view but I also see and feel the unhappiness in my son. He has chosen to be with me and stay in my house during the holiday season because he could not even stand being next to his father. Instead of this helping a relationship between father and son it has made my son angrier.
When I heard my ex talking to me last night I saw all the "Hyde" lingo and expressions being said to me,and I even told him that all that comes out of his mouth is pure Hyde. My ex never graduated from Hyde, because at the time he went his sister was also going and his family could not afford to have two kids going to that same school, well Mr. Gauld (father) and other Hyde officials, told him at the time that they would much rather have his sister attend Hyde than him because she showed more leadership potential hthan he did. This, I believe completely scared my ex and actually when he went to one of the FLC's he got an apology form all of the Gaulds because they "did him wrong" then. As a matter of fact even though my ex graduated Hig School from another school, he last night told me that he willbe receiving his diploma from Hyde very soon, he just has to give a lecture or a speech in front of the school and he will receive it.
My middle son is also attending Hyde and it has not seem to affect him emotionally at all, but his little brother tells me that he just "goes with the flow and does everything they tell him to do there". . .
I certainly feel that this place may be good for some kids but definitely not for my youngest and as I said I am so glad I found this place where I can see other's oppinions on this school. I was made to belive by my ex last night that I am crazy by thinking this way about Hyde and it being a cult.
And as far as the school providing records for me to transfer him to another school, it has been extremely difficult to get anything from them. The Registrar has given me nothing but attitude when I have been calling her every single day after she promises she will fax the records "as soon as she gets approval form the business office" and I have not received a thing. The other day she could not do ti because it was snowing in Maine and she had to go home. . . .
I look forward to reading more from you all."
I am sorry to hear about your son's painful experience at Hyde. As you can see, there are lots of people who have the same concerns about the Hyde cult as you do. I have had those same feelings whenever I've attended a family weekend or FLC. As you said, some kids do okay at Hyde (although I've met quite a few who talk about how they play the game and just keep their head down), but for many it's a terrible environment that turns out to be very harmful. I hope you're able to work things out and find a good school for your son. You should know that many people have left Hyde for similar reasons and have found much more appropriate schools that provide a much healthier environment. Good luck.
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I learned an invaluable lesson from my experience with sending my daughter to Hyde, which was, by the way, highly recomended by several mental health professionals. My daughter has a pervasive LD which affects her co-ordination,her sense of time and space, her reading of body language , and the list goes on. She is highly intelligent and on the surface her 'quirks' may appear to be behavioral.I mistakenly thought that she needed to learn how to survive in the real world, learning disabilities or not, and Hyde, I was told ,would be the place to teach her how to 'self advocate'. I couldn't have picked a more inappropriate placement for her, since none of her difficulties were ever considered.She was bombarded with punitive measures for much of what was not her fault or for her inabliltiy to play the social games that her peers and interns played ,with her being the dupe. What was even more alarming was that many of the kids there do have severe emotional /behavioral problems stemming from external sources rather than a primary neurological source, and while Hyde's philosopy may help some of these kids, the kids who have internalized emotional fallout stemming from a physical or nuerological disability , such as a learning disability ,stand to lose far more than their own self -respect and self worth. This type of negative, punitive environment for those with LD'S could be a death sentence. My first impression of Hyde was that it reminded me of Amway with its therapeutic meetings that seemed to camouflage the hidden agenda of the 'LEADER'. I looked at this with some amusement, but when I saw first-hand that some of the kids there were being punished for behavior that was a direct result of their LD, I realized how destructive this type of school was for my daughter. She went into Hyde mildly depressed with no history of drug or alcohol abuse and certainly no suicidal intent. After being there for less than 2 months , she was routinely cutting her wrists. Her story might have ended in tragedy, had I listened to Hyde and stopped ' making excuses for my daughter and get with the program'.What I did learn was an invaluable lesson for myself and also for those parents who have a child with a primary LD. The best school is one that has a population of kids with LD'S or related disorders so that you know the staff and teachers and all those invloved with your son or daughter have a 'working 'experience and are trained specifically to work with the specific LD's. There also should be no behavioral mod programs set in place specifically to break ' bad behavioral habits or tendencies', since the strategies that best work for kids with LD'S with emotional and behavior fallout are very different than those which are used with kids with a primary psychiatric / emotional disorder. I doubt very seriously if Laura Gauld would have her child at Hyde if he were diagnosed with say, Aspergers or high functioning autism or any related disorder or learning disablity , unless there was a very supportive, nurturing environment within the school, which is not what comes to mind when I think of Hyde. Be warned if this profile sounds like your child's, steer clear of schools like Hyde. I remember one boy there, who had a LD, whose one characteristic was 'impulsivity'. He had vowed to 'accept his consequence', whenever he had acted inappropriately, without anger or a sense of injustice, as was his tendency in the past. I remember thinking 'how sad', that the school isn't focusing on the cause of his behavior, rather than being bent on changing it with punitive measures. I often wonder how things worked out for this kid at Hyde.....for surely changing ones behavior from the outside can sometimes result in an iron exterior but with nothing more than a hollow and empty core .
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On 2006-01-08 08:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I learned an invaluable lesson from my experience with sending my daughter to Hyde, which was, by the way, highly recomended by several mental health professionals. My daughter has a pervasive LD which affects her co-ordination,her sense of time and space, her reading of body language , and the list goes on. She is highly intelligent and on the surface her 'quirks' may appear to be behavioral.I mistakenly thought that she needed to learn how to survive in the real world, learning disabilities or not, and Hyde, I was told ,would be the place to teach her how to 'self advocate'. I couldn't have picked a more inappropriate placement for her, since none of her difficulties were ever considered.She was bombarded with punitive measures for much of what was not her fault or for her inabliltiy to play the social games that her peers and interns played ,with her being the dupe. What was even more alarming was that many of the kids there do have severe emotional /behavioral problems stemming from external sources rather than a primary neurological source, and while Hyde's philosopy may help some of these kids, the kids who have internalized emotional fallout stemming from a physical or nuerological disability , such as a learning disability ,stand to lose far more than their own self -respect and self worth. This type of negative, punitive environment for those with LD'S could be a death sentence. My first impression of Hyde was that it reminded me of Amway with its therapeutic meetings that seemed to camouflage the hidden agenda of the 'LEADER'. I looked at this with some amusement, but when I saw first-hand that some of the kids there were being punished for behavior that was a direct result of their LD, I realized how destructive this type of school was for my daughter. She went into Hyde mildly depressed with no history of drug or alcohol abuse and certainly no suicidal intent. After being there for less than 2 months , she was routinely cutting her wrists. Her story might have ended in tragedy, had I listened to Hyde and stopped ' making excuses for my daughter and get with the program'.What I did learn was an invaluable lesson for myself and also for those parents who have a child with a primary LD. The best school is one that has a population of kids with LD'S or related disorders so that you know the staff and teachers and all those invloved with your son or daughter have a 'working 'experience and are trained specifically to work with the specific LD's. There also should be no behavioral mod programs set in place specifically to break ' bad behavioral habits or tendencies', since the strategies that best work for kids with LD'S with emotional and behavior fallout are very different than those which are used with kids with a primary psychiatric / emotional disorder. I doubt very seriously if Laura Gauld would have her child at Hyde if he were diagnosed with say, Aspergers or high functioning autism or any related disorder or learning disablity , unless there was a very supportive, nurturing environment within the school, which is not what comes to mind when I think of Hyde. Be warned if this profile sounds like your child's, steer clear of schools like Hyde. I remember one boy there, who had a LD, whose one characteristic was 'impulsivity'. He had vowed to 'accept his consequence', whenever he had acted inappropriately, without anger or a sense of injustice, as was his tendency in the past. I remember thinking 'how sad', that the school isn't focusing on the cause of his behavior, rather than being bent on changing it with punitive measures. I often wonder how things worked out for this kid at Hyde.....for surely changing ones behavior from the outside can sometimes result in an iron exterior but with nothing more than a hollow and empty core ."
Although I am terribly saddened by your story, I am so happy that you took the time to tell the public about your painful Hyde experience. What you have shared is moving, poignant, and, compelling. Your story about Hyde and its destructive methods sound so very familiar. Our family has heard many similar testimonials. In your case the child involved had significant learning disabilities. In many other cases the students have significant issues with anxiety, eating, and mood disorders. What so many of these Hyde stories have in common is that this school is absolutely the wrong place to help kids who struggle with these issues. Hyde's steady diet of shaming, humiliating, confrontational tactics (with occasional supportive conversations thrown in there) is the worst possible "medicine" for these kids. Fortunately, some of us have seen the light and are getting our kids out of Hyde. It's take some of us some time to figure out that there are far more appropriate schools and that Hyde is a disaster for many kids.
Your comment about Hyde's Amway qualities is right on target. There's no question that many of Hyde's strongest fans have bought into this "group think" pyramid-type structure. It's a very seductive, scary environment for many of us who smell cult when we arrive on Hyde's campus.
I don't know whether you've had the time to read on this website other parents' testimonials about Hyde and the damage the school did to their children (and some parents), but your sentiments are shared by many others. We have found that some educational consultants and professionals refer families to Hyde based on very superficial Hyde marketing information. It's important to get the word out to these folks that underneath Hyde's exterior is an awful lot of destructive pathology. Stories like yours contribute a great deal. Thanks, and good luck with your efforts to move beyond Hyde and find a more appropriate setting.
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I wrote the post about the situation I am going through with my son not wanting to go back to Hyde. Today is Sunday, and I still have no school records, his father has completely boycoted my son's decision and since he has residential custody of him I am affraid that he will come and pull him out of my house by force and take him back to Hyde. My son spoke to him last night and tried to "negotiate" telling his father that he will go back and finish this term only on the condition that his father would give me residential custody (which he is willing to) and child support (which he is not willing) and a car. . . well my ex called me later on last night (about 11:00 pm) telling me that he would agree to all that and suggested that our son and that he should be on the bus at 7:00 am for Hyde, well of course that did not happen, I am just so depressed right now because I do want my son to be happy unfortunately I do not have the resourses to put him in another private school and I know his father will not do so either especially due to the fact that he has solely funded their Hyde education and he is now facing a no refund policy.
The only place I have to offer to him right now is my local public school, which is in a suburb in NY and does not have the best reputation. My son assures me that he has the will to make this work until I can move to the next town close to me which has a much better public school system which is where he started out in the first place and he wants to finish High School there. He has not been diagnosed with any learning problems, dissabilities, as a matter of fact he is quite a bright young man, the only problem was the fact that due to a nasty separation between his father and I his father was given residential custody and he was unable in the 8 years he's had my two youngest sons to discipline them therefore he chose his "alma matter" Hyde to do so.
I am very conflicted because of my option versus his. My son as I see it and feel deep in my gut needs love, needs his mother and he has told me so. His father insists that I am giving him the "easy way out" he will not have to work, on the other hand my son tells me that what he is choosing is not the easy way, he is choosing to stay with me, who has to struggle to make ends meet and he is willing to work hard both in school and getting a job.
Even with his father agreeing to even buy a car for him, he is now telling me that his hate for that school is so strong that he doesn't really think he can go back, although his father has agreed to his demands. . .
Just pray for me, I certainly have been doing so. I have never felt so strongly about something and am willing to support my son in every way. I have his father's entire family calling me and my son pleeding for me to let him go back, I am not holding him hostage, he just is plain refusing and is threatening to either quit school altogether or run away if he is forced to go back. As far as legality I don't know if his father can do that, I know that at 16 in NY kids can legally quit without parents intervention and this is what I am affraid will happen besides the fact that if he does go back what are going to be his punishments at Hyde and the emotional scars that this may inflict him. . .
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On 2006-01-08 10:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I wrote the post about the situation I am going through with my son not wanting to go back to Hyde. Today is Sunday, and I still have no school records, his father has completely boycoted my son's decision and since he has residential custody of him I am affraid that he will come and pull him out of my house by force and take him back to Hyde. My son spoke to him last night and tried to "negotiate" telling his father that he will go back and finish this term only on the condition that his father would give me residential custody (which he is willing to) and child support (which he is not willing) and a car. . . well my ex called me later on last night (about 11:00 pm) telling me that he would agree to all that and suggested that our son and that he should be on the bus at 7:00 am for Hyde, well of course that did not happen, I am just so depressed right now because I do want my son to be happy unfortunately I do not have the resourses to put him in another private school and I know his father will not do so either especially due to the fact that he has solely funded their Hyde education and he is now facing a no refund policy.
The only place I have to offer to him right now is my local public school, which is in a suburb in NY and does not have the best reputation. My son assures me that he has the will to make this work until I can move to the next town close to me which has a much better public school system which is where he started out in the first place and he wants to finish High School there. He has not been diagnosed with any learning problems, dissabilities, as a matter of fact he is quite a bright young man, the only problem was the fact that due to a nasty separation between his father and I his father was given residential custody and he was unable in the 8 years he's had my two youngest sons to discipline them therefore he chose his "alma matter" Hyde to do so.
I am very conflicted because of my option versus his. My son as I see it and feel deep in my gut needs love, needs his mother and he has told me so. His father insists that I am giving him the "easy way out" he will not have to work, on the other hand my son tells me that what he is choosing is not the easy way, he is choosing to stay with me, who has to struggle to make ends meet and he is willing to work hard both in school and getting a job.
Even with his father agreeing to even buy a car for him, he is now telling me that his hate for that school is so strong that he doesn't really think he can go back, although his father has agreed to his demands. . .
Just pray for me, I certainly have been doing so. I have never felt so strongly about something and am willing to support my son in every way. I have his father's entire family calling me and my son pleeding for me to let him go back, I am not holding him hostage, he just is plain refusing and is threatening to either quit school altogether or run away if he is forced to go back. As far as legality I don't know if his father can do that, I know that at 16 in NY kids can legally quit without parents intervention and this is what I am affraid will happen besides the fact that if he does go back what are going to be his punishments at Hyde and the emotional scars that this may inflict him. . .
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This sounds like a pretty awful situation. I hope you are able to work out the issues with your ex husband in a way that's best for your son. I have no idea why your son doesn't want to return to Hyde. What are his reasons?
I know that Hyde is likely to say he's a quitter, and I also know that many kids who don't want to return to Hyde decide that NOT because they want to quit but because they're smart and have figured out that Hyde is a very bad setting for many kids, especially those with mental health struggles. Perhaps your son is one of the perceptive Hyde students who sees right through the Hyde propaganda and knows that he'd be better off elsewhere. I realize some kids may want to get out of Hyde for the "wrong" reasons (just to find an easier path), but I know for a fact that a number of Hyde kids are very thoughtful and just don't buy the Gauld rhetoric and brainwashing.
Good luck. This is a tough situation.
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Thank you for your well wishes. He has seen past all the bull and brainwhashint, as I said he has no mental problems, only anger issues with his father and although they have been addressed ad Hyde, he just tells me that he tells them what they want to hear. He does not believe in their kind of "therapy" and their methods of treating the students. He is emotionally depresesd from tat place, he lost all hs spunk being there ad it is my mission to help him find it as well as restoring his relationship with his father. I think I can do it better having him with me and going to weekly therapy sessions if necessary rather athan an FLC and/or Family Weekend here and there. I participated in one of the family weekends and it brought more anger to all of us than anything.
My son is smart and has always been very persuasive and I feel they have crushed his spirit in this place.
His father is already as I said before using all the "Hyde lingo" and calling him a quiter, etc etc and he also mentioned he is taking the easy way out, but in my view is it really the easy way out what he is taking? He knows that he has a lot of hard work ahead of him now especially to prove all those who don't believe he can make it outside of Hyde wrong, including his father. He has me and I am not an absent mother and intend to become involved in every way I can. I am local, work close to home and to his new school.
I am 100% confident that he can make it without Hyde. They are not the answer to everybody.
Thanks again.
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i went to hyde school where the motto amongst the student is (fake it till you make it) the school is overly cultish and i have to say that i dont know some one who graduated from there who did not regret it. i would like to start a official website showing the obvious flaws of the school and it philosopy if you would like to get involved please email me at ****@****.com
I hope some of you wil get involved and help fight hyde, i would love to get enough ppl together to get some real publicity possibly evin news coverage. its about time to shut this shame of an intitution down, and close its doors forever the last thing we need in this world is another cult
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i went to hyde school where the motto amongst the student is (fake it till you make it) the school is overly cultish and i have to say that i dont know some one who graduated from there who did not regret it. i would like to start a official website showing the obvious flaws of the school and it philosopy if you would like to get involved please email me at ****@*****.com
I hope some of you wil get involved and help fight hyde, i would love to get enough ppl together to get some real publicity possibly evin news coverage. its about time to shut this shame of an intitution down
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On 2006-01-21 02:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
"i went to hyde school where the motto amongst the student is (fake it till you make it) the school is overly cultish and i have to say that i dont know some one who graduated from there who did not regret it. i would like to start a official website showing the obvious flaws of the school and it philosopy if you would like to get involved please email me at ****@*****.com
I hope some of you wil get involved and help fight hyde, i would love to get enough ppl together to get some real publicity possibly evin news coverage. its about time to shut this shame of an intitution down"
"If you build it, they will come." Remember that phrase in a very famous sports movie? Start the website and let us know the address of it. I know a lot of people myself who would join in. This is a good idea in order to warn potential parents and students of the harmful ways at Hyde and also for those harmed by Hyde to be able to get things off their chests. I look forward to an update from you! You have the support of many people out there, some who are afraid to come forward on this site, but who monitor it on a regular basis.
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On 2006-01-21 02:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
"i went to hyde school where the motto amongst the student is (fake it till you make it) the school is overly cultish and i have to say that i dont know some one who graduated from there who did not regret it. i would like to start a official website showing the obvious flaws of the school and it philosopy if you would like to get involved please email me at ****@*****.com
I hope some of you wil get involved and help fight hyde, i would love to get enough ppl together to get some real publicity possibly evin news coverage. its about time to shut this shame of an intitution down"
"If you build it, they will come." Remember that phrase in a very famous sports movie? Start the website and let us know the address of it. I know a lot of people myself who would join in. This is a good idea in order to warn potential parents and students of the harmful ways at Hyde and also for those harmed by Hyde to be able to get things off their chests. I look forward to an update from you! You have the support of many people out there, some who are afraid to come forward on this site, but who monitor it on a regular basis.
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On 2006-01-21 02:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
"i went to hyde school where the motto amongst the student is (fake it till you make it) the school is overly cultish and i have to say that i dont know some one who graduated from there who did not regret it. i would like to start a official website showing the obvious flaws of the school and it philosopy if you would like to get involved please email me at ****@*****.com
I hope some of you wil get involved and help fight hyde, i would love to get enough ppl together to get some real publicity possibly evin news coverage. its about time to shut this shame of an intitution down, and close its doors forever the last thing we need in this world is another cult "
When were you at Hyde? Which campus?
I fully support your idea of a website that would highlight all the concerns about Hyde that many people have expressed here. You're right that this information ought to be publicized widely so that parents who are thinking about sending their kids to Hyde have a complete picture of what really happens there. We were attracted to Hyde because of the all the claims about the school's commitment to values, character, etc. Although we met a few good people there, it didn't take us long to figure out how abusive some of the staff are, how lame much of the education is, and how the school simply isn't set up to deal with many of the students' problems. Parents absolutely need to know about all of the big problems at Hyde and what they're setting themselves up for if they go there.
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i was at the woodstock campus four years ago
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are any of you ppl postng prior students i would be really intersted in hearing from ppl who also went to hyde
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On 2006-01-21 23:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
"are any of you ppl postng prior students i would be really intersted in hearing from ppl who also went to hyde
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I am a student from Hyde and I still am traumatized by thoughts of the school. I try not to think about it because it upsets me so much that I wasted two years of my life for something that was a farce! I don't blame my parents because they too were misled about how the school could help my self esteem! All that they did was make me feel worse about myself, and try to get me to talk their lingo like a Zombie Cult member. My parents were demeaned publicity because they are normal members of society without any troubles in their marriage. One facilitator tried to insist they had a bad marriage even though they couldn't be happier.
Sounds like you might have been there at the same time as me. Were you in the auditorium when someone stood up and told Mr Grant, (the headmaster) that he was dishonest? That was the most honest comment I heard in the two years I was at Hyde.
Hyde tried to break me down, but I left instead and ended up becoming very successful in college. I was one of the few. Most of the kids who were supposed to graduate with me, either left the school, weren't allowed to graduate, graduated but didn't go to college, or went to college but didn't make it through the first year. I didn't do well in college because of Hyde, this was IN SPITE of Hyde. I will never forget the crazy times I experienced there with girls running through the dorm to throw their food up because of bulimia, staff being drunk on the weekends, Mr Gauld acting like a leader of a Cult, Mr Dubinsky the in house pedophile, the kids being able to go off with town locals after AA meetings, and so much more. I got an education all right! Most kids in my hometown would never believe in a million years that this could happen.
Oh God do I hate going back and remembering those times, but this site is great to get it off of my chest and maybe help save another kid from being shipped there. I hope you do create the website you mentioned. Let me know.
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On 2006-01-22 05:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-21 23:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
"are any of you ppl postng prior students i would be really intersted in hearing from ppl who also went to hyde
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I am a student from Hyde and I still am traumatized by thoughts of the school. I try not to think about it because it upsets me so much that I wasted two years of my life for something that was a farce! I don't blame my parents because they too were misled about how the school could help my self esteem! All that they did was make me feel worse about myself, and try to get me to talk their lingo like a Zombie Cult member. My parents were demeaned publicity because they are normal members of society without any troubles in their marriage. One facilitator tried to insist they had a bad marriage even though they couldn't be happier.
Sounds like you might have been there at the same time as me. Were you in the auditorium when someone stood up and told Mr Grant, (the headmaster) that he was dishonest? That was the most honest comment I heard in the two years I was at Hyde.
Hyde tried to break me down, but I left instead and ended up becoming very successful in college. I was one of the few. Most of the kids who were supposed to graduate with me, either left the school, weren't allowed to graduate, graduated but didn't go to college, or went to college but didn't make it through the first year. I didn't do well in college because of Hyde, this was IN SPITE of Hyde. I will never forget the crazy times I experienced there with girls running through the dorm to throw their food up because of bulimia, staff being drunk on the weekends, Mr Gauld acting like a leader of a Cult, Mr Dubinsky the in house pedophile, the kids being able to go off with town locals after AA meetings, and so much more. I got an education all right! Most kids in my hometown would never believe in a million years that this could happen.
Oh God do I hate going back and remembering those times, but this site is great to get it off of my chest and maybe help save another kid from being shipped there. I hope you do create the website you mentioned. Let me know."
It's such a relief to read posts from other people who also had these awful Hyde experiences. When I read your description I feel like I'm reading many of my own words. You're absolutely right that Hyde is full of hypocrisy. I wasn't there for the Grant incident, but I have other stories to report about Hyde students with wild emotional problems that the staff didn't have a clue about how to handle, how Hyde staff openly struggled with their own issues, how the classroom experience was often laughable (it's hard to imagine that some of the staff would be hired at a regular school), etc., etc. And you're right about the Gauld cult stuff. If people on the outside could just watch Joe Gauld's REAL behavior and his unbelievable verbal cruelty and arrogance, they'd never send their kid to Hyde. I too saw parents who had the best of intentions and who were real moral people humiliated in public because they wouldn't buy into the Hyde cult and talk like a Hyde robot. People who questioned Hyde were often punished (gee, what happened to Hyde's belief in truth over harmony???). I wasn't there to witness the Hyde teacher who was sexually harassing students, but I've sure heard the stories about how awful this man was and how badly Hyde handled this. This is the kind of information that needs to get out there about Hyde.
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Iwas there they year before duncan mccrann took over as headmaster. mr grant was my track coach. here are a few names of ppl how were there when i went. jeff curan, kyle moore, jamie megure, bill meleanson, mike lamie, natalie morrow, steve tucker
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On 2006-01-22 13:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Iwas there they year before duncan mccrann took over as headmaster. mr grant was my track coach. here are a few names of ppl how were there when i went. jeff curan, kyle moore, jamie megure, bill meleanson, mike lamie, natalie morrow, steve tucker"
I remember Steve Tucker. Nice guy. What happened to him?
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he lives in nyc i still talk to him from time to time
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do you rememer the student teacher who was hoooking up with on of the female students his name was jeff i think or something like that,
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On 2006-01-22 15:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"do you rememer the student teacher who was hoooking up with on of the female students his name was jeff i think or something like that,"
That never happened, nigger.
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yes i remember when this girl wnt off with anolder man after an AA meeting and came back several days later with a bunch of methodone (synthetic herion)she had procured during her little trip. i also remember having a bunch of my suff stolen out of my back pack when i was on 2/4 and my bag was locked up in deans area (supposedly safe) when i confronted the staff they said it was impossible someone could have stolen my belongings and told me i need to concentrate on my attitude.
i also was on the leadership trip (so they told my parents) to manna island. they sent me there because
i refused to believe there bullshit, evin after the trip i did not give in to there philosophy.i held tight to my beleifs all through out the year
refusing to assymilate into the hyde cult
i remeber being called out by students who were obviously faking it, and they would confront me about my attitude only minuets after hearing them talk about all the partys and drugs they did over vacation. that place was so hypocritical
does any one remember jd the rastafarian cook who hated the school but needed a job man i spent so many hours talking to that guy during 2/4. he was on of the few great chareters i met there. how about the performing arts director mr edwards (not sure if i got the name right) who left after mccrain reapropriated all the money he had raised for the performing arts departmet.
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yeah it did he was kicked out of the school for it and he used to go to school games afterwards to see her. you must be a real case huh, y would you call someone a nigger over a conversation that has nothing to do with race at all
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On 2006-01-22 15:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
"yeah it did he was kicked out of the school for it and he used to go to school games afterwards to see her. you must be a real case huh, y would you call someone a nigger over a conversation that has nothing to do with race at all
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Shut the fuck up.
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On 2006-01-22 15:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"do you rememer the student teacher who was hoooking up with on of the female students his name was jeff i think or something like that,"
Yes I do remember the Jeff incident. I think he was an intern and was also doing drugs besides having sex with one of the girls. I believe he was fired. Seems like there is way too many incidences like this that happen at Hyde. Even if they got rid of him, why does this happen so often at Hyde?
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On 2006-01-22 15:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"yes i remember when this girl wnt off with anolder man after an AA meeting and came back several days later with a bunch of methodone (synthetic herion)she had procured during her little trip. i also remember having a bunch of my suff stolen out of my back pack when i was on 2/4 and my bag was locked up in deans area (supposedly safe) when i confronted the staff they said it was impossible someone could have stolen my belongings and told me i need to concentrate on my attitude.
i also was on the leadership trip (so they told my parents) to manna island. they sent me there because
i refused to believe there bullshit, evin after the trip i did not give in to there philosophy.i held tight to my beleifs all through out the year
refusing to assymilate into the hyde cult
i remeber being called out by students who were obviously faking it, and they would confront me about my attitude only minuets after hearing them talk about all the partys and drugs they did over vacation. that place was so hypocritical
does any one remember jd the rastafarian cook who hated the school but needed a job man i spent so many hours talking to that guy during 2/4. he was on of the few great chareters i met there. how about the performing arts director mr edwards (not sure if i got the name right) who left after mccrain reapropriated all the money he had raised for the performing arts departmet.
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Yes, JD was awesome. Different from all those "programmed staff." Mr Edwards was also fantastic. He worked so hard for that school, but loyalty means nothing to them in spite of all this "character building" that they preach.
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On 2006-01-22 15:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"he lives in nyc i still talk to him from time to time"
You said you speak to Steve Tucker. I was wondering how he feels about Hyde. He seemed to try to get along so that he could get out of there.
If you still speak to these people maybe you can guide them to this website so that more students can tell their stories.
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Because I'd really want to send children to a school that produces others that use "gay" as an insult.
Really... you're motivating.
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On 2006-01-22 15:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"yes i remember when this girl wnt off with anolder man after an AA meeting and came back several days later with a bunch of methodone (synthetic herion)she had procured during her little trip. i also remember having a bunch of my suff stolen out of my back pack when i was on 2/4 and my bag was locked up in deans area (supposedly safe) when i confronted the staff they said it was impossible someone could have stolen my belongings and told me i need to concentrate on my attitude.
i also was on the leadership trip (so they told my parents) to manna island. they sent me there because
i refused to believe there bullshit, evin after the trip i did not give in to there philosophy.i held tight to my beleifs all through out the year
refusing to assymilate into the hyde cult
i remeber being called out by students who were obviously faking it, and they would confront me about my attitude only minuets after hearing them talk about all the partys and drugs they did over vacation. that place was so hypocritical
does any one remember jd the rastafarian cook who hated the school but needed a job man i spent so many hours talking to that guy during 2/4. he was on of the few great chareters i met there. how about the performing arts director mr edwards (not sure if i got the name right) who left after mccrain reapropriated all the money he had raised for the performing arts departmet.
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Yes, I definitely remember JD. A very cool guy who was probably the only honest staff member at Hyde. Doesn't surprise me that your stuff got stolen out of Deans area and then when you confronted them, you were told you have a bad attitude. I had problems in Deans area once with Dubinsky, who was in charge of Deans area. I broke the sex ethic and that pervert sat there behind his desk asking for details of what me and my boyfriend did. It was disgusting how he wanted to know everything and the way he looked at me! When one of my girlfriends complained about him to the administration she was told, "you need to go and confront Mr Dubinsky and tell him how he makes you feel." Hyde never wanted to take responsibility for anything. It was always about us dealing with the problems that they brought on. That place is disgusting!
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On 2006-02-08 07:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-22 15:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"yes i remember when this girl wnt off with anolder man after an AA meeting and came back several days later with a bunch of methodone (synthetic herion)she had procured during her little trip. i also remember having a bunch of my suff stolen out of my back pack when i was on 2/4 and my bag was locked up in deans area (supposedly safe) when i confronted the staff they said it was impossible someone could have stolen my belongings and told me i need to concentrate on my attitude.
i also was on the leadership trip (so they told my parents) to manna island. they sent me there because
i refused to believe there bullshit, evin after the trip i did not give in to there philosophy.i held tight to my beleifs all through out the year
refusing to assymilate into the hyde cult
i remeber being called out by students who were obviously faking it, and they would confront me about my attitude only minuets after hearing them talk about all the partys and drugs they did over vacation. that place was so hypocritical
does any one remember jd the rastafarian cook who hated the school but needed a job man i spent so many hours talking to that guy during 2/4. he was on of the few great chareters i met there. how about the performing arts director mr edwards (not sure if i got the name right) who left after mccrain reapropriated all the money he had raised for the performing arts departmet.
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Yes, I definitely remember JD. A very cool guy who was probably the only honest staff member at Hyde. Doesn't surprise me that your stuff got stolen out of Deans area and then when you confronted them, you were told you have a bad attitude. I had problems in Deans area once with Dubinsky, who was in charge of Deans area. I broke the sex ethic and that pervert sat there behind his desk asking for details of what me and my boyfriend did. It was disgusting how he wanted to know everything and the way he looked at me! When one of my girlfriends complained about him to the administration she was told, "you need to go and confront Mr Dubinsky and tell him how he makes you feel." Hyde never wanted to take responsibility for anything. It was always about us dealing with the problems that they brought on. That place is disgusting!"
Isn't that the Hyde faculty member who ended up resigning because of allegations?
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Yeah, he left a year after I was there. The school was hush, hush about it, but a faculty member told me he was finally forced to resign. It wasn't until one of the girls finally sued the school that they got rid of him for good. This guy was a total pervert who gave all of us the creeps. We never understood why the school wouldn't do anything about it. Guess it was because he and his wife were part of the school all their lives. They both graduated from Hyde and worked there.
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I would like to take a stab at answering your questions.
1.WRT the 2/4 issue and being taken out of class, most private schools work on a seperate calendar than the public schools. At Hyde the students are expected to maek up the work they miss on their own time. This is one of the tools that the school uses to reinforce the issues of responsibility.
2. WRT to Hyde being a non-profit. To the best of my knowledge most, if not all, private schools are non-profit organizations. This is done for many purposes, one of which is taxes. A non-profit can set money aside for future use. A corporation would have to declare profits and pay out dividens from the "profits" that the organization is making. As far as the family owning the properties in Maine and CT, I think you will find that the property is owned by the non-profit organization and that the Gauld Family is only receiving a salary from the non-profit organization.
3. WRT to passing out meds w/o a Dr on staff - The staff is not prescribing the meds, the school is passing out meds based on the prescriptions written from the students personal physicians. This is no different than at most, if not all, nursing homes or rehab facilities. Again I think if you investigate any boarding school that is not a therapeutic school, having a nurse pass out medications based on a physicians script is not uncommon.
It would be nice for people to do some research before they jump into something without knowing what they are talking about.
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On 2006-02-13 12:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I would like to take a stab at answering your questions.
1.WRT the 2/4 issue and being taken out of class, most private schools work on a seperate calendar than the public schools. At Hyde the students are expected to maek up the work they miss on their own time. This is one of the tools that the school uses to reinforce the issues of responsibility.
2. WRT to Hyde being a non-profit. To the best of my knowledge most, if not all, private schools are non-profit organizations. This is done for many purposes, one of which is taxes. A non-profit can set money aside for future use. A corporation would have to declare profits and pay out dividens from the "profits" that the organization is making. As far as the family owning the properties in Maine and CT, I think you will find that the property is owned by the non-profit organization and that the Gauld Family is only receiving a salary from the non-profit organization.
3. WRT to passing out meds w/o a Dr on staff - The staff is not prescribing the meds, the school is passing out meds based on the prescriptions written from the students personal physicians. This is no different than at most, if not all, nursing homes or rehab facilities. Again I think if you investigate any boarding school that is not a therapeutic school, having a nurse pass out medications based on a physicians script is not uncommon.
It would be nice for people to do some research before they jump into something without knowing what they are talking about."
Thank you for these clarifications. I would like one more issue addressed. It is clear that Hyde School accepts many students with pretty serious mental health problems and challenges. I have met many students there with diagnoses such as depression, bipolar disorder, eating disorders, anxiety disorders, PTSD, etc. Many have received psychiatric care of one kind of another and are receiving medication to help them with their issues.
How do you explain the fact that Hyde School accepts so many of these kids but does not have mental health professionals on staff? I know Hyde says it's not a therapeutic school, but it seems like a terrible disservice for the school to accept these kids without having mental health professionals on staff. Many of these kids encounter problems with Hyde's rules, but the school treats everything as an 'attitude' problem and 'character' problem. Doesn't it seem quite possible that in some of these cases the student is behaving badly because of untreated mental health issues?
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On 2006-02-13 14:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-13 12:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I would like to take a stab at answering your questions.
1.WRT the 2/4 issue and being taken out of class, most private schools work on a seperate calendar than the public schools. At Hyde the students are expected to maek up the work they miss on their own time. This is one of the tools that the school uses to reinforce the issues of responsibility.
2. WRT to Hyde being a non-profit. To the best of my knowledge most, if not all, private schools are non-profit organizations. This is done for many purposes, one of which is taxes. A non-profit can set money aside for future use. A corporation would have to declare profits and pay out dividens from the "profits" that the organization is making. As far as the family owning the properties in Maine and CT, I think you will find that the property is owned by the non-profit organization and that the Gauld Family is only receiving a salary from the non-profit organization.
3. WRT to passing out meds w/o a Dr on staff - The staff is not prescribing the meds, the school is passing out meds based on the prescriptions written from the students personal physicians. This is no different than at most, if not all, nursing homes or rehab facilities. Again I think if you investigate any boarding school that is not a therapeutic school, having a nurse pass out medications based on a physicians script is not uncommon.
It would be nice for people to do some research before they jump into something without knowing what they are talking about."
Thank you for these clarifications. I would like one more issue addressed. It is clear that Hyde School accepts many students with pretty serious mental health problems and challenges. I have met many students there with diagnoses such as depression, bipolar disorder, eating disorders, anxiety disorders, PTSD, etc. Many have received psychiatric care of one kind of another and are receiving medication to help them with their issues.
How do you explain the fact that Hyde School accepts so many of these kids but does not have mental health professionals on staff? I know Hyde says it's not a therapeutic school, but it seems like a terrible disservice for the school to accept these kids without having mental health professionals on staff. Many of these kids encounter problems with Hyde's rules, but the school treats everything as an 'attitude' problem and 'character' problem. Doesn't it seem quite possible that in some of these cases the student is behaving badly because of untreated mental health issues?"
How do you explain it? Very simple. Hyde ONLY cares about the numbers! Hyde does not care about helping kids, which is apparent by the way they operate. As you said, they take in kids who have obvious medical and emotional conditions and they group them all into one and call it an "attitude problem."
Can you imagine a heart specialist taking care of a person with a brain tumor, and the heart specialist telling the patient that he really doesn't have a problem that can't be fixed by the heart doctor. It would also be like this Heart specialist bringing in student interns to operate without any prior education in the medical field.
Hyde does this type of thing everyday. They have unqualified staff members trying to "help" kids who have diagnosed emotional conditions. DOESN'T WORK!!
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The one thing wrong with your trite analogy is that if you had a brain tumor, you would never go see a heart specialist in the first place, your physcian would send you to an oncologist.
The typical parent who sends a kid dealing with LD, ADD, Depresstion, Bi-Polar, etc to Hyde is told by an educational consultant that "Maybe the brain tumor can be made smaller with a little heart care" so the desperate parent is willing to try, but they only follow the parts of the heart Dr.'s prescription that are easy and they want to do.
So the tumor just gets bigger and the parent is forced to go see the Oncologist (A therapy program!)
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On 2006-02-16 10:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The one thing wrong with your trite analogy is that if you had a brain tumor, you would never go see a heart specialist in the first place, your physcian would send you to an oncologist.
The typical parent who sends a kid dealing with LD, ADD, Depresstion, Bi-Polar, etc to Hyde is told by an educational consultant that "Maybe the brain tumor can be made smaller with a little heart care" so the desperate parent is willing to try, but they only follow the parts of the heart Dr.'s prescription that are easy and they want to do.
So the tumor just gets bigger and the parent is forced to go see the Oncologist (A therapy program!) "
A major problem with Hyde is that they know that many of the kids they accept have these complicated mental health challenges and needs. The school simply doesn't have the resources, staff or perspective required to meet these students' needs. I am a professional in the field and often get requests from parents and mental health professionals about appropriate schools for struggling teens. Based on what I have learned about Hyde's approach from my extensive contact with several dozen families that have used the school, I can no longer refer families to Hyde, particularly when their child has any challenging mental health issues. I've now seen too many instances at Hyde where the school has been a tragic fit. I now strongly recommend to educational consultants and professionals that they avoid Hyde and look for one of the more appropriate alternatives.
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On 2005-12-19 13:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-19 12:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Don't be misled by these posts!!! Hyde has it's flaws, but the school are run very well. If you look into that happens at ANY boarding school, there are some of the same concerns. Half the senior class was kicked out of a pretigeous boarding school in CT last year for drinking and sex, a friend who is Dean of Students at one of the nation's oldest and most prestigeous boarding schools, suspends or expells students for breaking rules on a weekly basis!
All private schools are 501(c)(3) Non profits. Again, look at the 990's for any school and you'll see that Hyde's salaries are WAY under the norm, and the fund raising is also a lot less. Exeter's Annual Fund is 5 million... Hyde's is $450K per campus. Exeter's Head makes well over $400K per year..Hyde's highest paid is Malcolm Gauld who after Salary and benefits has a hard time reaching $200K.
So Puleeeese, put hese concerns into perspective.
Thank you!"
THANK YOU GOD! Someone who actually isnt a babbling cry baby!!! Great post, keep it up! :roll: And I don't even have know one single thing about Hyde to know that.
Tell you what...you compile a list of successful Hyde graduates and I'll compile a list of successful Exeter grads (I'll cut you some slack and not pick Andover) and then we can both post them here...you game?
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Lewis Cass (1792) - Secretary of State
Samuel Conner (1794) - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts
Daniel Webster (1796) - U.S. Senator from Massachusetts, born in New Hampshire
John Adams Dix (1810) - Secretary of the Treasury, Senator from New York, Governor of New York
George Bancroft (1811) - Historian, Secretary of Navy, and founder of the United States Naval Academy.
Franklin Pierce (1820) - 14th U.S. President
Alpheus Felch (c. 1822) - U.S. Senator and Governor of Michigan
John Parker Hale (c. 1824) - U.S. Representative and Senator and abolitionist from New Hampshire
Amos Tappan Akerman (c.1839) - U.S. Attorney General, 1870-1872 [1]
Robert Todd Lincoln (1860) - Son of President Abraham Lincoln, US Secretary of War.
John Edwards Leonard (1863) - U.S. Representative from Louisiana
Emmanuel Sollavou (1867) - 2nd African American to Graduate from Harvard (link)
Ulysses S. (Buck) Grant, Jr. (c. 1870) - Entrepreneur, Son of President Ulysses S. Grant
Frederick Winslow Taylor (1874)
Gifford Pinchot (1885) - First Chief Forester of the US Forest Service
George Higgins (1887) - U.S. Senator from New Hampshire
Thomas Lamont (1888) - Partner and chairman of Board of Directors of J.P. Morgan & Co..
Booth Tarkington (1889) - Winner, Pulitzer Prize
Thomas Coffin (1906) - U.S. Representative from Idaho
Lawrence Dennis (1912?) - Author and economist
Norris Cotton (1918?) - U.S. Representative and Senator from New Hampshire
James Agee (1928) - Author and critic
Pierre DuPont III (1930)
Adolph Coors III (1933) - Businessman
Arthur Schlesinger Jr. (1933) - Historian
Richard Bolling (c. 1934) - U.S. Representative from Missouri
Joseph Coors (1935)
James T. Aubrey, Jr. (c. 1936), President of CBS and MGM
Lex Barker (1938) - Actor
Burke Marshall (1940) - U.S. Assistant Attorney General
Gore Vidal (1943) - Author
George Plimpton (1944) - Author/Journalist
John Knowles (1945) - Author (A Separate Peace)
Carlos Romero Barceló (1949) - Former Governor of Puerto Rico
Pierre Dupont IV (1952)
John D. "Jay" Rockefeller IV (1954) - Senator from West Virginia
Stewart Brand (1956) - Editor, author, Internet pioneer
H. John Heinz III (1956) - Former Senator from Pennsylvania
John Negroponte (1956) - The first Director of National Intelligence
Peter Benchley (1957)- Journalist, Presidential Speech Writer, Author and Screenwriter (Jaws)
Daniel Dennett (1959) - Philosopher
Charles C. Krulak (1960) - 31st Commandant of the U.S Marine Corps
John Irving (1961) - Author
David Darst (1965) - Author and Investment Strategist
Peter H. Coors (1965) - 2004 Republican Senatorial candidate from Colorado
Judd Gregg (1965) - Senator from New Hampshire
Kent Conrad (1966) - Senator from North Dakota
David Eisenhower (1966)
Fred Grandy (1966) - Actor
Joyce Maynard (1971)
Suzy Welch (1977) - Journalist, author, married to former GE CEO Jack Welch
Ted Hope (1980) - Producer
Paul Klebnikov (1981) - Journalist
Dan Brown (1982) - Bestselling author (The Da Vinci Code)
Chang-Rae Lee (1983) - Author
John Forté (1993) - Musician
Win Butler (1998) - Musician (Lead singer of The Arcade Fire)
Sam Fuld (2000) - Professional Baseball Player
I win.
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Ain't no way anyone can come up with half a list like this when talking about Hyde School!!
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and now for Andovers List...separated by category
Art
Carl Andre '53 ?Internationally-known sculptor
Joseph Cornell '21 (d.) ? Internationally-known artist; best know for his "box" art
Carroll Dunham '67 ? Influential American painter, known for expressionistic, eye-popping color and combination of biomorphism, cartooning and abstraction
Walker Evans '22 (d.) ? Photographer; won fame for Depression-era photos in Let Us Now Praise Famous Men
Cleve Gray '36 (d.) ? Painter known for large-scale, vividly colorful abstract compositions
Horatio Greenough , student in 1814-1815 (d.) ? Designer of Bunker Hill Monument; first American sculptor of international reputation
Mel Kendrick '67 ? Sculptor, known for innovative wood sculpture and cast work in bronze, rubber and plastic; 2002 recipient of Academy Award in Art
Angela Lorenz '83 ? Book artist; her limited editions represented in 50 public collections
William B. Macomber Jr. '40 (d.) ? Former president of Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York; former U.S. ambassador to Turkey
Beaumont Newhall '26 (d.) ? Photo historian; founder, Department of Photography, Museum of Modern Art, New York
Frank Stella '54 ?Leading American abstract artist in painting and metal reliefs
George C. Tooker '38 ? Internationally-known painter
Business and industry
William S. Beinecke '32 ? Former chairman of the board, The Sperry & Hutchinson Co.
Broughton H. Bishop '45 ? Chairman, CEO, Pendleton Woolen Mills
William W. Boeschenstein '44 ? Retired chairman, CEO and president, Owens-Corning Fiberglas Corporation
Harry M. Cornell Jr. '47 ? Chairman emeritus, former CEO, Leggett & Platt, Inc.
Ted Forstmann '57 ? Founding general partner, N.Y. investment firm Forstmann Little & Co.; co-founder, Children's Scholarship Fund
Richard L. Gelb '41 (d.) ? Chairman emeritus, Bristol-Myers Co.
David L. Gunn '55 ? President, Amtrak
John Hess '72 ? Chairman & CEO, Amerada Hess Corp.
Victor K . Kiam '44 (d.) ? President, Remington Products, Inc.; former owner, New England Patriots football team
John D. Macomber '46 ? Former president, Celanese Corporation; chairman, Export-Import Bank of U.S.
Richard A . Moore '32 (d.) ? Ambassador to Ireland; president, Western Broadcasting
Nicholas J. Nicholas Jr. '58 ? Former president and co-CEO, TIME-Warner, Inc.
Robert W. Sarnoff '35 (d.) ? Former president, RCA and NBC
Whitney Stevens '44 ? Former chairman, J.P. Stevens Co.
Alexander B. Trowbridge '47 ? See Government and public service
L. Stanton Williams '37 ? Former president of Pittsburgh Plate Glass Industries
Philip K. Wrigley '15 (d.) ? Manufacturer, Wrigley's Chewing Gum; owner, Chicago Cubs and Wrigley Field
Thomas H . Wyman (d.) '47 ? Former chairman and CEO of CBS
Economics
William D. Nordhaus '59 ? Economist; member of the Council of Economic Advisors, Carter administration
William S. Vickrey '31 (d.)? Nobel Prize-winning economist
Education
James Phinney Baxter '18 (d.) ? Former president, Williams College; Pulitzer Prize winner
Chris Bischof '88?Founder, Eastside College Preparatory School, East Palo Alto, Calif., for disadvantaged students
Fitzgerald B. Bramwell '62 ? Vice president for research and graduate studies, professor of chemistry and biochemistry, University of Kentucky
Richard H. Brodhead '64 ? President-elect, Duke University; Professor of English and Dean, Yale College
Rebecca Tyler Brown Abbot 1837 (d.) ? First assistant principal, Hampton Institute
Jeffrey Garten '64 ? Dean, Yale School of Management
A. Bartlett Giamatti '56 (d.) ? Former president, Yale University; commissioner of baseball
Anthony Grafton '67 ? Professor of history and chair, Council of the Humanities, Princeton; winner of Mellon Foundation's Distinguished Achievement Award
Richard Theodore Greener 1865 (d.) ? Teacher, editor, lawyer, diplomat; first black graduate, Harvard; law dean, Howard University; U.S. Consul, Vladivostok and Bombay
Ann McKeever Hatch '67 ? Founder, Oxbow School, Napa Valley, Calif., high school art immersion program; philanthropist; founder, Capp Street Project, San Francisco
Thomas H. Jackson '68 ? President, University of Rochester
John T. Kirkland 1786 (d.) ? President of Harvard, 1810-1828
Thomas C. Mendenhall '28 (d.) ? Former president, Smith College
Elizabeth Luce Moore '18 ? Former SUNY board president; former chair Institute for International Education and YWCA International Division
Joseph Hardy Neesima 1867 (d.) ? Founder, Doshisha University, largest private university in Japan; first Japanese ordained Congregational minister
David Pingree '50 ? MacArthur Award-winning Brown University classicist
David J. Smith '62 ? Educator; developer of award-winning curriculum, "Mapping the World by Heart; children's book author, "If the World Were a Village"
Peter P. Smith '64 ? Assistant director-general for education, UNESCO; founding president, California State University, Monterey Bay
Thomas P. Smith , Andover student in 1838 (d.) ? Leader in Boston's black community seeking black separatist "Smith Schools"
David J. Steinberg '55 ? President, Long Island University
Engineering and Architecture
William LeBaron Jenny 1846 (d.) ? Builder of first skyscraper
Guy Nordenson '73 ? Associate professor, Princeton School of Architecture; founder, Structural Engineers Association of New York
Frederick Law Olmsted 1838 (d.) ? Landscape architect; designed New York's Central Park
Entertainment and the arts
Leslie H. Blank Jr. '54 ? Award-winning independent documentary film maker
Humphrey Bogart '20 (d.) ? Film actor
Tom Chapin '75 (d.) ? Band leader and composer, The Thomas Chapin Trio; former musical director, Lionel Hampton Band
Frank Converse '56 ? Actor
Dana Delany '74 ? Actress, producer; winner of Emmy Awards in 1989 and 1992 for ABC-TV's China Beach
Hollis W. Frampton Jr. '54 (d.) ? Internationally-known film maker
Brian Henson '82? President, Jim Henson Productions
Eugen Indjic '65 ? Internationally renowned concert pianist
Theresa Koff '86? Writer, producer, NBC-TV's Law & Order
Jack Lemmon '43 (d.) ? Academy Award-winning actor in Mister Roberts and Save the Tiger; Emmy Award winner for TV miniseries Tuesdays with Morrie
Jonathan Meath '74 - Children's TV producer, PBS's Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego? and ZOOM
Daniel R. Pinkham Jr. '40 ? Internationally-known composer
Thomas S. Seligson '64 ? CBS producer; writer of Parade Magazine profiles
Peter Sellars '75 ? Opera, theatre, film director; MacArthur Fellow and Emmy Award winner; former artistic director, Los Angeles Festival and American National Theatre
Duncan Sheik '88 ? Singer-songwriter; Top 20 hit Barely Breathing; gold album Duncan Sheik
Samuel Francis Smith, Seminary 1832 (d.) ? Wrote national hymn "America" while Andover Theological Seminary student
Robert Smythe '78 ? Founder, artistic director, Mum Puppettheatre; 1998 Guggenheim Fellow
James Spader '78 ? Actor; co-star, TV's Boston Legal; Best Actor Award, 1989 Cannes Film Festival
Ming Tsai '82? Chef; star of public television's Simply Ming; owner of Blue Ginger restaurant; author of Blue Ginger: East Meets West Cooking with Ming Tsai.
Richard A. Wolf '64 ? Creator, executive producer, NBC-TV's Law & Order, Law & Order Special Victims Unit, Wolf Films
Dan Zanes '79 ? Recording artist; member of the Del Fuegos; most recent CDs of children's music, House Party, Night Time!, Family Dance
Warren Zanes '83 ? Vice president of education, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame; member of the Del Fuegos
Exploration
Ian Baker '75 ? Himalayan explorer, Buddhist scholar, photographer, author; discovered Hidden Falls of Tsangpo; named National Geographic Explorer for the Millennium
Hiram Bingham 1894 (d.) ? Archaeologist; rediscovered ancient ruin of Machu Picchu in Peru
Britton Keeshan '00 ? Youngest person to complete the Seven Summits by climbing the tallest peaks on seven continents, including Mt. Everest in May 2004.
Government and public service
Paul "Jerry" Bremer '59 ? U.S. civilian administrator in Iraq, appointed by President George W. Bush; former ambassador to the Netherlands and President Reagan's ambassador-at-large for counterterrorism
George Bush '42 ? 41st President of the United States
George W. Bush '64 ? 43rd President of the United States
John "Jeb" Bush '71 ? Governor of Florida
Lincoln D. Chafee '71 ? U.S. Senator, Republican-Rhode Island
Harlan Cleveland '34 ? Director, Hubert H. Humphrey Institute of Public Affairs; former U.S. ambassador to NATO
Raymond C. Clevenger III '55 ? Judge, U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit
Walter J.P. Curley '40 ? Ambassador to France; former ambassador to Ireland
Edward E. Elson '52 ? Former ambassador to Denmark; founding director, National Public Radio
Annie Edwards, Abbot 1855 (d.) ? First woman postmaster in U.S., Rockford, Ill.
Thomas Foley '71 ? Director of private sector development, Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq
Gerhard A. Gesell '28 (d.) ? U.S. District Judge, District of Columbia; prominent in Watergate, Oliver North trials
Robert Ingersoll '33 ? Deputy secretary of state under President Nixon; former U.S. ambassador to Japan
Clay Johnson III '64 ? Deputy director, U.S. Office of Management and Budget
Patrick J. Kennedy '86? U.S. Representative, Democrat-Rhode Island
Franklin L. Lavin '75 ? U.S. ambassador to Singapore
Gen. Barry R. McCaffrey '60 ? Former director, Office of National Drug Control Policy, Clinton administration; four-star Army general and Desert Storm commander; teacher of national securities studies at West Point
William H. Moody 1871 (d.) ? U.S. Supreme Court Justice
Robert H. Pelletreau Jr. '53 ? Ambassador to Tunisia; U.S. liaison with PLO
Lovett C. Peters '32 ? Founder, Pioneer Institute for Public Policy Research
Anthony Quainton '51 ? Diplomat in residence, American University; former president, National Policy Association; former director general, U.S. Foreign Service; adviser on antiterrorist policy to every president since Gerald Ford
Josiah Quincy 1786 (d.) ? Mayor of Boston, 1823-1828; president of Harvard College, 1828-1845
W. Bradford Reynolds '60 ? Former U.S. assistant attorney general, Reagan administration
Charles F.C. Ruff '56 (d.) ? Chairman, Fair Labor Association; White House Counsel during Clinton impeachment trial; member of Watergate Special Prosecution Force
James Shannon '69 ? Former U.S. Representative, Massachusetts; former Massachusetts attorney general
Henry L. Stimson 1883 (d.) ? Secretary of War under Presidents Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman; member of five presidential administrations; FDR's key adviser on atomic policy
Alexander B. Trowbridge '47 ? U.S. Secretary of Commerce under President Lyndon Johnson; former president, National Association of Manufacturers
William Ury '70 ? See Literature and writing
Christopher A. Wray '85? Chief of the U.S. Justice Department's Criminal Division
Journalism and publishing
Sam Allis '64 ? Columnist, Boston Globe; correspondent, Time magazine
Jonathan H. Alter '75 ? Senior editor/ columnist, Newsweek; contributing correspondent, NBC News
Willow Bay '81? CNN News anchor
H.G. "Buzz" Bissinger III '72 ? Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist; author of Friday Night Lights
Melissa Biggs Bradley '85 ? Senior editor, Town & Country magazine
Otis Chandler '46 ? Former publisher, Los Angeles Times
Kenneth J. Cooper '73 ? Pulitzer Prize-winning Boston Globe reporter
Lucy Danziger '78 ? Editor-in-chief, Self magazine
John Darnton '60 ? Pulitzer Prize-winning foreign correspondent, New York Times
David B. Ensor '69 ? CNN correspondent
William Hamilton '58 ? Syndicated New Yorker cartoonist; author; playwright
John F. Kennedy Jr. '79 (d.) ? Publisher, George magazine
William E. "Bill" Littlefield Jr. '66 ? Host of NPR's Only a Game; author; award-winning journalist; sports commentator
Jeffrey K. MacNelly '65 (d.) ? Creator of Shoe cartoon; editorial cartoonist; winner of two Pulitzer Prizes
Despina Plakias Messinesi '29 (d.) ? Former travel editor, fashion editor, Vogue magazine
Seth A. Mydans '64 ? New York Times foreign correspondent
Gerard Piel '33 ? Former publisher and president, Scientific American
Jane Pratt '80 ? Editor-in-chief, Jane magazine; author
Robert B. Semple Jr. '54 ? Associate editor, editorial page, New York Times; Pulitzer Prize winner for environmental editorial writing
William Davis Taylor '27 (d.) ? Former publisher, chairman of the board, Boston Globe
Evan Thomas '69 ? Assistant managing editor, Newsweek; author, Robert Kennedy: His Life
Literature and writing
Julia Alvarez '67 ? Critically acclaimed poet, novelist; author of How the Garcia Girls Lost Their Accents; professor of English, Middlebury College
Michael R. Beschloss '73 ? See Social action and community service
Edgar Rice Burroughs 1894 (d.) ? Author of Tarzan novels
Oliver Wendell Holmes 1825 (d.) ? Poet, literary leader and doctor
Tracy Kidder '63 ? Pulitzer Prize-winning author; novelist
Ring Lardner Jr . '32 (d.) ? Author, Hollywood screen writer ( MASH )
Lucy Lippard '54 ? Cultural critic; feminist; theorist; political activist; author, On the Beaten Track: Tourism, Art and Place
Gordon Lish '52 ? Influential literary figure; author, Krupp's Lulu ; Guggenheim Fellowship recipient; founder of two literary magazines; teacher
Paul Monette '63 (d.) ? Writer; poet; AIDS activist; English teacher; winner, National Book Award for Becoming a Man: Half a Life Story
Stacy Schiff '78 ? Pulitzer Prize winner for biography, Vera
Charles Monroe Sheldon 1879 (d.) ? Pastor; author of religious novel, In His Steps, which outsold every book except the Bible.
Benjamin Spock '21 (d.) ? Author; authority on child-rearing; anti-war activist
Elizabeth Marshall Thomas '49 ? Author
Shelby Tucker '53 ? Travel author, Among Insurgents: Walking Through Burma; world traveler and adventurer
James Ramsey Ullman '25 (d.) ? Author, The White Tower; chronicler of mountaineering
William Ury '70 ? Best-selling author, Getting to Yes; international peace negotiator
Medicine
Bernard Ackerman '54 ? Former director, Institute for Dermatopatholgy, Jefferson Medical College; founder, Ackerman Academy of Dermatopathology; board member, Coalition and Center for Ethical Medical Testimony
Alexander de Lahunta '51 ? World-class neuroanotomist, clinical neurologist, neuropathologist; author; James Law Professor of Anatomy, Cornell University College of Veterinary Medicine
Louis J. Elsas II '54 ? Director, Division of Medical Genetics, Emory University School of Medicine; president, Association of Professors of Human and Medical Genetics
Oliver Wendell Holmes 1825 (d.) ? See Literature and writing
Paul McHugh '48 ? Psychiatrist-in-chief, Johns Hopkins Hospital; co-chairman, Ethics Committee at the American College of Neuropsychopharmacology; author, Genes, Brain, and Behavior
David Nathan '47 ? President emeritus, Dana-Farber Cancer Institute; 1990 National Medal of Science winner
Benjamin Spock '21 (d.) ? See Literature and writing
Chris Weatherley-White '50 ? Plastic surgeon with Operation Smile, bringing reconstructive surgery to children in Third World nations
Military
Sullivan Ballou 1849 (d.) ? Civil War major in the 2nd Rhode Island Volunteers who died at the Battle of Bull Run. His letter to his wife Sarah was featured in the PBS series, The Civil War.
Capt. (ret.) Thomas J. Hudner Jr. '43 ? Recipient of Congressional Medal of Honor; commissioner of Veterans Services, Commonwealth of Massachusetts
Gen. Barry R. McCaffrey '60 ? See Government and public service
Rear Admiral (ret.) Richard H. O'Kane '30 (d.) ? Recipient of Congressional Medal of Honor; author
Major General James Parker 1870. (d.) ? Commissioned in 1876, he served through World War I. For valor displayed during the Spanish-American War, he received the Congressional Medal of Honor.
Arthur Murray Preston '31 (d.) ? Recipient of Congressional Medal of Honor for action as World War II torpedo boat commander
Lt.-Gen. Sir John Watts '48 (d.) ? Distinguished British commander of special forces; Chief of Defense Staff in Oman; knighted.
Science
Dr. Charles Greeley Abbot 1891 (d.) ? Pioneer in astrophysics and solar energy; headed Smithsonian Institution
Constance Brinckerhoff '59 ? Molecular biologist; professor, Dartmouth Medical School; recipient of Merit award from National Institutes of Health
Mary Wilkes Eubanks '65 ? Botanist; senior research scientist, Duke University; president, Sun Dance Genetics
Nicholas J. Hadley '72 ? Physicist; professor of physics, University of Maryland; member of team that discovered the Quark
William S. Knowles '35 ? Winner of Nobel Prize in chemistry
Alfred Lee Loomis '05 (d.) ? Physicist, lawyer, investment banker; invented Loran radar system; director of radar research in WWII; father of ultrasonics
Othniel Charles Marsh 1856 (d.) ? First professor of paleontology, Yale; established Yale's Peabody Museum of Natural History
Marvin Minsky '45 ? Authority on artificial intelligence, computers, robotics
Samuel F.B. Morse 1805 (d.) ? Inventor of telegraph, Morse code; painter and president of National Academy of Design
George Pieczenik '61 ? Biochemist in genetic research; associate professor at Rutgers University
Gerard Piel '33 ? See Journalism and publishing
Herbert Scoville '33 (d.) ? Nuclear physicist, Los Alamos; chief scientist in President Kennedy's U.S. Arms Control and Disarmament Agency
Lyman Spitzer Jr. '31 (d.)? International leader in stellar dynamics, plasma physics, thermonuclear fusion, space astronomy; designer of first telescope-bearing satellite; author of idea of placing large telescope in space and driving force behind development of Hubble Space Telescope.
George Hoyt Whipple 1896 (d.) ? Winner of 1933 Nobel Prize for cure for pernicious anemia
George M. Whitesides '57 ? Professor of chemistry, Harvard; 1998 National Medal of Science winner
Social action and community service
Hafsat Abiola '92 ? Nigerian political activist; winner, 1999 Women to Watch award, Association of Women's Development
Prince Rahim Aga Khan '90 ? Executive director, Aga Khan Fund for Economic Development, world's second largest private economic development foundation
John Badman III '62 ? Chairman, The Conference of Patriotic and Historical Societies
Michael R. Beschloss '73 ? Award-winning historian; author; Annenberg senior fellow; director, Annenberg Project on Television and U.S. Foreign Policy
Sarah Chayes '80?Director, Project BALCO, market-based production cooperative in rural Southern Afghanistan; former Kandahar field director, Afghans for Civil Society; former foreign correspondent, National Public Radio
William Sloane Coffin Jr. '42 ? Minister, Riverside Church, New York; former chaplain, Yale; civil rights proponent and peace activist
Justin W. Dart Jr. '49 (d.) ? Advocate for rights of disabled people; primary force behind Americans with Disabilities Act; Medal of Freedom recipient
Edith Williamson Kean '54 ? Director of landscape design for Green Thumb, New York City Parks and Recreation Department
Robert C . Macauley '41 ? Founder and director, Americares, international relief agency
Kathryn L. Mulvey '84 ? Executive director of Infact, public interest group that targets corporate abuse
Benjamin Spock, M.D. '21 (d.) ? See Literature and writing
Audrey Synnott '54 ? Sister of Mercy; coordinator of sisters' associates program serving healthcare facilities and schools
Theodore Weld 1820 (d.) ? Abolitionist; anti-slavery agitator with Edmund Quincy, Class of 1817
Heather White '76 ? Founder of Verite, non-profit organization that monitors factory conditions for goods produced by child labor and sweatshops
Sports and athletics
William S. "Bill" Belichick '71 ? Head coach, New England Patriots, Super Bowl XXXVI, XXXVIII and XXXIX Champions
A. Bartlett Giamatti '56 (d.) ? See Education
Victor K . Kiam '44 (d.) ? See Business and industry
James P. McLane '49 ? Olympic swimming champion; winner of three gold and one silver medals at 1948 and 1952 Olympics; International Swimming Hall of Fame
William L. Veeck Jr. '32 (d.) ? Owner, Chicago White Sox
Philip K. Wrigley '15 (d.) ? See Business and industry
so don't even think of comparing Hyde to a REAL PREP SCHOOL. :razz:
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Thank you for setting the record straight on the comparison between a "prep school" and a school for troubled kids. I have to laugh when Hyde portrays themselves as a college prep!
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Thank you for the extensive list of the successes of the Phillips Academys.
Hyde School is in business to take care of the Exeter and Andover grad's offspring...who have become screwed up because of their parents' selfish, self-centered lifestyles.
Seriously, almost all of those people you listed knew they were headed to "Prep" school long before they rolled in with their nanny or butler on the first day of freshman year. The kids that go to Hyde never planned on a boarding school experience and probably would have ended up at ITT Tech if it wasn't for their Hyde expereince. There have been a long list of very famous and successful people that have participayed at Hyde School, the difference is that they were parent's of kids who were products of their elder's narrasistic lifestyles.
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1. Show me the list of Successful Hyde graduates...something a little more than the Guy who is a comedian living in Hollywood (I'd sure love to go film his living situation and show you what "supposed success is like here in Hollywood :lol: )or the other kid with his letter of intent to play DivII Soccer.
2. Show me a ratio of Hyde students that enroll to Hyde Students that graduate and go on to College...show me a list of those colleges also. Any TRUE prep school would be MORE THAN HAPPY to divulge that information...unless they actually are more of a treatment program than a school and hide behind the veil of "client/patient confidentiality)
3. List the resources that are available to the students at Hyde. You know...the ones that cost money. What is the science lab like? Is there a planetarium? How many tennis courts? Soccer Fields? etc. etc. etc.
4. Tell me the cost of Hyde's program. Tell me about the additional costs that a parent may incur while their child is attending.
5. Describe...in detail...the weekly menu that a Hyde child eats.
6. Tell me the amount of physical labor that the children at Hyde have to do (if any)...and if they do...who benefits from their free labor? (please don't tell me about the children benefitting by learning a "good work ethic"...that's not what I'm asking)
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On 2006-02-24 12:45:00, OKB4RMA wrote:
3. List the resources that are available to the students at Hyde. You know...the ones that cost money. What is the science lab like? Is there a planetarium? How many tennis courts? Soccer Fields? etc. etc. etc.
Big Olympic style gym and a pretty good outdoor track in Bath. Both new in '76. Old classrooms in the back of the Mansion. Priority...Sports!
5. Describe...in detail...the weekly menu that a Hyde child eats.
Food was actually not that bad. Of course if you wrestled in the winter you didn't dare eat much of it, might not make weight. Priority...Sports!
Religion is just mind control.
--George Carlin, comedian
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On 2006-02-27 11:48:00, tommyfromhyde1 wrote:
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On 2006-02-24 12:45:00, OKB4RMA wrote:
3. List the resources that are available to the students at Hyde. You know...the ones that cost money. What is the science lab like? Is there a planetarium? How many tennis courts? Soccer Fields? etc. etc. etc.
Big Olympic style gym and a pretty good outdoor track in Bath. Both new in '76. Old classrooms in the back of the Mansion. Priority...Sports!
5. Describe...in detail...the weekly menu that a Hyde child eats.
Food was actually not that bad. Of course if you wrestled in the winter you didn't dare eat much of it, might not make weight. Priority...Sports!
Religion is just mind control.
--George Carlin, comedian
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I was hoping to have more than 1/6 of my questions answered...but thus far...I'm not very impressed. :roll:
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On 2006-02-24 12:45:00, OKB4RMA wrote:
"1. Show me the list of Successful Hyde graduates...something a little more than the Guy who is a comedian living in Hollywood (I'd sure love to go film his living situation and show you what "supposed success is like here in Hollywood :lol: )or the other kid with his letter of intent to play DivII Soccer.
2. Show me a ratio of Hyde students that enroll to Hyde Students that graduate and go on to College...show me a list of those colleges also. Any TRUE prep school would be MORE THAN HAPPY to divulge that information...unless they actually are more of a treatment program than a school and hide behind the veil of "client/patient confidentiality)
3. List the resources that are available to the students at Hyde. You know...the ones that cost money. What is the science lab like? Is there a planetarium? How many tennis courts? Soccer Fields? etc. etc. etc.
4. Tell me the cost of Hyde's program. Tell me about the additional costs that a parent may incur while their child is attending.
5. Describe...in detail...the weekly menu that a Hyde child eats.
6. Tell me the amount of physical labor that the children at Hyde have to do (if any)...and if they do...who benefits from their free labor? (please don't tell me about the children benefitting by learning a "good work ethic"...that's not what I'm asking)
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1. Sorry, I can't show you a long list of "successful graduating Hyde Students" because it doesn't exist. Hyde's percentage of students who go on to live successful lives is very small and many of those successes are not due to Hyde, but to maturity.
2. The ratio of students who enroll and then graduate and go to college is also very low. These are the facts about Hyde's student population.
a.) Students enroll and then drop out after their first year
b.) Students enroll, Hyde holds them back a year for "attitude" to get another years tuition from the parent and will sometimes graduate, sometimes not
c.) Students enroll in Hyde, Hyde gets a full years tuition, then encourages the family to drop out or will actually kick a family out. Hyde keeps the money
d) Student enrolls in Hyde, proceeds to be a senior, gets put on 2-4 for having sex, (with a minor) gets on 2-4 again for doing steroids, is threatened that he won't graduate, then at last minute Hyde gives that wonderful and honorable diploma!! All is well, and at graduation boys are ordered to shake Joe Gauld's hand, girls must give him kiss on cheek!
e.) Student was accepted to Community College after Hyde helps submit 10 applications to any school that will take them. Student either never attends, or attends and drops out.
f.) Student at some point grows up on their own!! Hyde has nothing to do with the growth of this typical student! End of story!
3. Resources available at Hyde are few and far between. New "Scholars program" but mostly unqualified teachers and is equivalent to regular class in normal school. Many stories of kids going back to public or private school and teachers being appalled at the lack of education from Hyde. As far as extra programs that cost money, Hyde has many. If Hyde thinks you have an "attitude problem" they will recommend that your child go to their summer program at a hefty cost! Their are also Wilderness Programs and Family Renewal Programs all at a cost to break your bank! In the end, it does no good.
4. Don't know the exact tuition now, but maybe someone who is familiar with Hyde lately can provide this. I understand that it ends up being around $45,000 plus transportation not only for students, but parents who are required to go up to Hyde at least three times per year.
5. When I was at Hyde the food was edible other than when a student went on 2-4. If you were on 2-4 you were not allowed to have any hot food. Also when we had Family Weekends we got fed much better food. Meal time was very quick. Felt like I couldn't digest my food before running off to get to class.
6. Only one benefiting from free physical labor is school. 2-4 can sometimes be enjoyable as we didn't have to go to class for a week at a time, although did have to wake up very early which was not a big deal. Got behind in class and seldom could make it up, but education is not a priority at Hyde anyway, so no sweat.
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More importantly, what can we do to try and help Hyde? How can we make the board at Hyde see that the Gauld Family is ruining the reputation of what could be a good school if run by qualified educators who truly know the definition of Truth Over Harmony.
Hyde's principles are good and the concept is even better, so question is, can any of us change the terrible things that are going on behind the doors at Hyde? Do any of you have any suggestions other than this internet board that gets our complaints off our chests. Seems like we could be doing more to change things.
Thoughts?
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On 2006-02-28 11:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
"More importantly, what can we do to try and help Hyde? How can we make the board at Hyde see that the Gauld Family is ruining the reputation of what could be a good school if run by qualified educators who truly know the definition of Truth Over Harmony.
Hyde's principles are good and the concept is even better, so question is, can any of us change the terrible things that are going on behind the doors at Hyde? Do any of you have any suggestions other than this internet board that gets our complaints off our chests. Seems like we could be doing more to change things.
Thoughts?"
I wholeheartedly agree that it would be great to bring about much needed change at Hyde. The school is full of serious shortcomings and problems. But, to bring about real change, the first step would be for the people who run Hyde to admit they have these serious problems, acknowledge the need for change, and invite people to make suggestions. In all the years I've been involved with Hyde I've NEVER seen the kind of openess and honesty. They speak a good game about truth over harmony, but much of the time they don't live it. The reality is that there's so much inbreeding and defensive arrogance at Hyde that it's unlikely that the mold will change anytime soon. I'm afraid we're beating our heads against the wall. The only hope is that enrollments will drop because of bad publicity, and maybe that will force Hyde staff to admit they've got serious problems.
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On 2006-02-28 12:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-28 11:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
"More importantly, what can we do to try and help Hyde? How can we make the board at Hyde see that the Gauld Family is ruining the reputation of what could be a good school if run by qualified educators who truly know the definition of Truth Over Harmony.
Hyde's principles are good and the concept is even better, so question is, can any of us change the terrible things that are going on behind the doors at Hyde? Do any of you have any suggestions other than this internet board that gets our complaints off our chests. Seems like we could be doing more to change things.
Thoughts?"
I wholeheartedly agree that it would be great to bring about much needed change at Hyde. The school is full of serious shortcomings and problems. But, to bring about real change, the first step would be for the people who run Hyde to admit they have these serious problems, acknowledge the need for change, and invite people to make suggestions. In all the years I've been involved with Hyde I've NEVER seen the kind of openess and honesty. They speak a good game about truth over harmony, but much of the time they don't live it. The reality is that there's so much inbreeding and defensive arrogance at Hyde that it's unlikely that the mold will change anytime soon. I'm afraid we're beating our heads against the wall. The only hope is that enrollments will drop because of bad publicity, and maybe that will force Hyde staff to admit they've got serious problems."
My gosh, I had to read this post twice to try to remember if I possibly wrote it. You couldn't have expressed my sentiments more accurately. There seem to be more and more people joining this board who have all had the same experiences.
Someone mentioned something about writing our stories. I think this is a great idea and will check it out and post mine.
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On 2006-02-28 11:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
"More importantly, what can we do to try and help Hyde? How can we make the board at Hyde see that the Gauld Family is ruining the reputation of what could be a good school if run by qualified educators who truly know the definition of Truth Over Harmony.
Hyde's principles are good and the concept is even better, so question is, can any of us change the terrible things that are going on behind the doors at Hyde? Do any of you have any suggestions other than this internet board that gets our complaints off our chests. Seems like we could be doing more to change things.
Thoughts?"
Bring back Ed Legg!
Larry Kennedy
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On 2006-03-07 15:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-28 11:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
"More importantly, what can we do to try and help Hyde? How can we make the board at Hyde see that the Gauld Family is ruining the reputation of what could be a good school if run by qualified educators who truly know the definition of Truth Over Harmony.
Hyde's principles are good and the concept is even better, so question is, can any of us change the terrible things that are going on behind the doors at Hyde? Do any of you have any suggestions other than this internet board that gets our complaints off our chests. Seems like we could be doing more to change things.
Thoughts?"
Bring back Ed Legg!
Larry Kennedy"
Who is Ed Legg and are you related to the Kennedy who used to facilitate as an Alumni parent?
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On 2006-03-07 20:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-07 15:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-28 11:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
"More importantly, what can we do to try and help Hyde? How can we make the board at Hyde see that the Gauld Family is ruining the reputation of what could be a good school if run by qualified educators who truly know the definition of Truth Over Harmony.
Hyde's principles are good and the concept is even better, so question is, can any of us change the terrible things that are going on behind the doors at Hyde? Do any of you have any suggestions other than this internet board that gets our complaints off our chests. Seems like we could be doing more to change things.
Thoughts?"
Bring back Ed Legg!
Larry Kennedy"
Who is Ed Legg and are you related to the Kennedy who used to facilitate as an Alumni parent? "
Ed Legg was the headmaster back "in the day." Larry was kind of like, well if you have seen Austin Powers, Ed's Minnie Me. Both from Texas. Legg was 6'something and Larry was 5'2" in high heels. There were rumors of malfesance by Larry that ciruclated at the time. He was a book keeper of some sort as well as the most piss poor History teacher that ever created chalk dust.
Not really Larry Kennedy
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This week I had a conversation with a parent who heard about Hyde and wanted some feedback about it. The parent had heard very mixed things about Hyde, mostly negative. I shared our family's experience and encouraged the parent to look for alternatives to Hyde. Based on the parent's description of the child's needs and mental health issues, I think Hyde would be a disaster. The parent said that my feedback was consistent with what she had heard from a number other people. She's now looking for other schools to pursue (with the advice of an educational consultant).
During the conversation the parent said that Hyde now expects parents to make a two-year commitment. Is that true? If so, when did that start? If it's true, I guess Hyde says it is doing this because it doesn't think it can have an impact in just one year. Or, is this merely Hyde's thinly disguised ploy to lock in 2 years' worth of tuition and fees and a way to combat the high attrition rate?
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On 2006-03-09 17:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This week I had a conversation with a parent who heard about Hyde and wanted some feedback about it. The parent had heard very mixed things about Hyde, mostly negative. I shared our family's experience and encouraged the parent to look for alternatives to Hyde. Based on the parent's description of the child's needs and mental health issues, I think Hyde would be a disaster. The parent said that my feedback was consistent with what she had heard from a number other people. She's now looking for other schools to pursue (with the advice of an educational consultant).
During the conversation the parent said that Hyde now expects parents to make a two-year commitment. Is that true? If so, when did that start? If it's true, I guess Hyde says it is doing this because it doesn't think it can have an impact in just one year. Or, is this merely Hyde's thinly disguised ploy to lock in 2 years' worth of tuition and fees and a way to combat the high attrition rate?"
I was at hyde 30 years ago. Hyde was not perfect. I was there when Tommy was there. I can understand why Tommy feels the way he does. Henry could be a real prick. Having Joe get in your face and scream at you was not theraputic to any degree IMHO. I saw a number of kids fail. Hyde worked for me. I found an inner strength and an ablity to persever in my experiences there. I find the rants about how the place completely sucks, fatuious and closed minded. I am sorry if some of the posts I made on this board aid in what seem to be an effort to make trash about hyde google-able. I know that there is at least one person with whom I went to hyde with that reads this board. I want you to know that I respect your dedication to your belief in Hyde. I offer my appologies if what I have posted here has offended you.
Hyde had and still has a profound positive effect on my life.
Sid
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On 2006-03-10 20:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-09 17:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This week I had a conversation with a parent who heard about Hyde and wanted some feedback about it. The parent had heard very mixed things about Hyde, mostly negative. I shared our family's experience and encouraged the parent to look for alternatives to Hyde. Based on the parent's description of the child's needs and mental health issues, I think Hyde would be a disaster. The parent said that my feedback was consistent with what she had heard from a number other people. She's now looking for other schools to pursue (with the advice of an educational consultant).
During the conversation the parent said that Hyde now expects parents to make a two-year commitment. Is that true? If so, when did that start? If it's true, I guess Hyde says it is doing this because it doesn't think it can have an impact in just one year. Or, is this merely Hyde's thinly disguised ploy to lock in 2 years' worth of tuition and fees and a way to combat the high attrition rate?"
I was at hyde 30 years ago. Hyde was not perfect. I was there when Tommy was there. I can understand why Tommy feels the way he does. Henry could be a real prick. Having Joe get in your face and scream at you was not theraputic to any degree IMHO. I saw a number of kids fail. Hyde worked for me. I found an inner strength and an ablity to persever in my experiences there. I find the rants about how the place completely sucks, fatuious and closed minded. I am sorry if some of the posts I made on this board aid in what seem to be an effort to make trash about hyde google-able. I know that there is at least one person with whom I went to hyde with that reads this board. I want you to know that I respect your dedication to your belief in Hyde. I offer my appologies if what I have posted here has offended you.
Hyde had and still has a profound positive effect on my life.
Sid"
I appreciate all of your input and am happy Hyde had a positive affect on you, but please understand you were there 30 years ago so it is hard to judge what Hyde is now.
You state that the old headmaster could be "a real prick." You also state that some of the ways Hyde and Joe Gauld handled things was far from therapuetic. Not only can Hyde NOT be therapuetic, it can be harmful to some. Please understand that although you might have been a strong kid who could get through Hyde, many kids are not as strong as you and Hyde can be quite damaging. Every child is different and has different issues and the "one size fits all" at Hyde does not work for many.
Hyde is a much bigger program now and the type of student Hyde enrolls might be different from when you were there. I think it is unfair to state that some of these posts are by "closed minded" people. We are real people who went to Hyde and whose lives were affected in a negative way. This is not to say that there were things gained from Hyde, but overall IMHO Hyde is really messed up and most of the people who have worked at Hyde for years are even more messed up. The staff at Hyde need their own program. I am sorry, but I don't want to send my future children to a place that is run by those loonies~!
Your input is important and I appreciate it and don't discount anything that happened to you while you were at Hyde, so please understand how I feel and don't discount my feelings.
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Thirty years ago, hmmmm......a lot can change over the years and usually does at a school like Hyde. Unfortunately it seems that the issues the school had 30 years ago still exist. Hyde expects their students to improve and become better members of society, but it seems the administrators at the school don't follow their own teachings. It's a shame that some of us learn and grow as we age, but Hyde doesn't seem to have raised that bar for themselves.
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On 2006-03-10 20:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-09 17:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This week I had a conversation with a parent who heard about Hyde and wanted some feedback about it. The parent had heard very mixed things about Hyde, mostly negative. I shared our family's experience and encouraged the parent to look for alternatives to Hyde. Based on the parent's description of the child's needs and mental health issues, I think Hyde would be a disaster. The parent said that my feedback was consistent with what she had heard from a number other people. She's now looking for other schools to pursue (with the advice of an educational consultant).
During the conversation the parent said that Hyde now expects parents to make a two-year commitment. Is that true? If so, when did that start? If it's true, I guess Hyde says it is doing this because it doesn't think it can have an impact in just one year. Or, is this merely Hyde's thinly disguised ploy to lock in 2 years' worth of tuition and fees and a way to combat the high attrition rate?"
I was at hyde 30 years ago. Hyde was not perfect. I was there when Tommy was there. I can understand why Tommy feels the way he does. Henry could be a real prick. Having Joe get in your face and scream at you was not theraputic to any degree IMHO. I saw a number of kids fail. Hyde worked for me. I found an inner strength and an ablity to persever in my experiences there. I find the rants about how the place completely sucks, fatuious and closed minded. I am sorry if some of the posts I made on this board aid in what seem to be an effort to make trash about hyde google-able. I know that there is at least one person with whom I went to hyde with that reads this board. I want you to know that I respect your dedication to your belief in Hyde. I offer my appologies if what I have posted here has offended you.
Hyde had and still has a profound positive effect on my life.
Sid"
I'm always pleased to hear when students appreciate their experience at a school and can see how it affected their lives. I'm happy for you, Sid.
But . . . please understand that many of us had horrible experiences at Hyde. In a school with such a diverse student body, it's inevitable that some people are going to have a good experience. At Hyde, however, there's clear, substantial, and compelling evidence that many students and their parents have terrible experiences. A lot depends on when you were there, who happened to be on staff then, what kinds of students Hyde accepted then, etc. The many comments from people on this board show over and over again that many of us were deeply scarred by the mistreatment and emotional chaos at Hyde. I'm a more recent Hyde veteran; your experience was 30 years ago. My impression is that the school is very different now. Probably because of competition in the boarding school marketplace, Hyde now accepts lots of students with major psychiatric and drug/alcohol problems. The evidence is overwhelming that Hyde isn't equipped to deal with or help many of these students. Hyde's model just doesn't work for many of these students, despite all of the Gauld (etc.) rhetoric and slick marketing that says that "character education" works for nearly everyone. Hyde is trying to survive as a school by reinventing itself. There's no question about that. It's trying to fit a square peg (Joe Gauld's "character education" mission) into a round hole (the many students Hyde accepts who need something very different from what Hyde offers). It may work for some, but it definitely doesn't work for many others. I think that's why Hyde's attrition rate is so unusually high and why so many people leave in disgust. You don't need to be a genius to figure this out. The underground at Hyde says that administrators are very, very worried about enrollments and competition, and the school's controversial and ambiguous identity and reputation. Hyde knows it's in trouble and is working hard to market itself to the masses.
At the very least Hyde should narrow its focus and limit itself to the very small number of students who are appropriate for the Hyde model. That probably means shrinking to a mere fraction of its current size. Sadly, to feed itself Hyde has chosen to accept so many students who don't belong there. That's part of the Hyde tragedy. The other part is Hyde staff's arrogant assumption that it can turn around everyone who walks through the door (and if you resist or question Hyde there will likely be some staff person who belittles you, shames you, and tries to convince you that the apple didn't fall far from the tree, blah, blah, blah). Hyde would do well to practice what it preaches and examine the truth about itself, even if that leads to some disharmony.
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On 2006-03-12 05:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-10 20:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-09 17:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This week I had a conversation with a parent who heard about Hyde and wanted some feedback about it. The parent had heard very mixed things about Hyde, mostly negative. I shared our family's experience and encouraged the parent to look for alternatives to Hyde. Based on the parent's description of the child's needs and mental health issues, I think Hyde would be a disaster. The parent said that my feedback was consistent with what she had heard from a number other people. She's now looking for other schools to pursue (with the advice of an educational consultant).
During the conversation the parent said that Hyde now expects parents to make a two-year commitment. Is that true? If so, when did that start? If it's true, I guess Hyde says it is doing this because it doesn't think it can have an impact in just one year. Or, is this merely Hyde's thinly disguised ploy to lock in 2 years' worth of tuition and fees and a way to combat the high attrition rate?"
I was at hyde 30 years ago. Hyde was not perfect. I was there when Tommy was there. I can understand why Tommy feels the way he does. Henry could be a real prick. Having Joe get in your face and scream at you was not theraputic to any degree IMHO. I saw a number of kids fail. Hyde worked for me. I found an inner strength and an ablity to persever in my experiences there. I find the rants about how the place completely sucks, fatuious and closed minded. I am sorry if some of the posts I made on this board aid in what seem to be an effort to make trash about hyde google-able. I know that there is at least one person with whom I went to hyde with that reads this board. I want you to know that I respect your dedication to your belief in Hyde. I offer my appologies if what I have posted here has offended you.
Hyde had and still has a profound positive effect on my life.
Sid"
I'm always pleased to hear when students appreciate their experience at a school and can see how it affected their lives. I'm happy for you, Sid.
But . . . please understand that many of us had horrible experiences at Hyde. In a school with such a diverse student body, it's inevitable that some people are going to have a good experience. At Hyde, however, there's clear, substantial, and compelling evidence that many students and their parents have terrible experiences. A lot depends on when you were there, who happened to be on staff then, what kinds of students Hyde accepted then, etc. The many comments from people on this board show over and over again that many of us were deeply scarred by the mistreatment and emotional chaos at Hyde. I'm a more recent Hyde veteran; your experience was 30 years ago. My impression is that the school is very different now. Probably because of competition in the boarding school marketplace, Hyde now accepts lots of students with major psychiatric and drug/alcohol problems. The evidence is overwhelming that Hyde isn't equipped to deal with or help many of these students. Hyde's model just doesn't work for many of these students, despite all of the Gauld (etc.) rhetoric and slick marketing that says that "character education" works for nearly everyone. Hyde is trying to survive as a school by reinventing itself. There's no question about that. It's trying to fit a square peg (Joe Gauld's "character education" mission) into a round hole (the many students Hyde accepts who need something very different from what Hyde offers). It may work for some, but it definitely doesn't work for many others. I think that's why Hyde's attrition rate is so unusually high and why so many people leave in disgust. You don't need to be a genius to figure this out. The underground at Hyde says that administrators are very, very worried about enrollments and competition, and the school's controversial and ambiguous identity and reputation. Hyde knows it's in trouble and is working hard to market itself to the masses.
At the very least Hyde should narrow its focus and limit itself to the very small number of students who are appropriate for the Hyde model. That probably means shrinking to a mere fraction of its current size. Sadly, to feed itself Hyde has chosen to accept so many students who don't belong there. That's part of the Hyde tragedy. The other part is Hyde staff's arrogant assumption that it can turn around everyone who walks through the door (and if you resist or question Hyde there will likely be some staff person who belittles you, shames you, and tries to convince you that the apple didn't fall far from the tree, blah, blah, blah). Hyde would do well to practice what it preaches and examine the truth about itself, even if that leads to some disharmony."
Hey people puke on roller coasters, it does not mean roller coasters are bad. Sonny Bono skied into a tree and died. I went skiing yesterday. About 8% of the mortallity in the US is due to auto accidents. I drive all the time. All I am saying is just because you had a bad time does not invalidate the experiance or make it on the whole negative. Are there thing wrong? I am sure there are. Man is imperfect and so are all his works. At least there are a bunch of folk who in thier own imperfect way are tring to be part of the solution rather then the problem. All you folk are doing is whining.
My apology went out because I was searching for some one to relate and share my feeling abut my experiances with. Instead I believe I aided (based on the similarty of the prose style of many of the postings here) two or three people that have a woodie for hyde.
Sid Vicious
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If you read through all the posts on this website I believe you will come to the same conclusion as me. There are far more than "a few" people posting.
I like seeing various opinions about Hyde and feel that you have a lot to add. While at Hyde I did not get the impression that these Hyde Lifers were trying to be part of the solution rather than part of the problem as you say. I do believe that many of the young staff who have come on board recently do so with the best intentions but as the attrition rate shows, these staffers get out of Hyde in record as quickly as possible. This leaves the "Lifers" who might in their sick mind think they are changing the world, but isn't this so about all the leaders of Cults including Jim Jones?
We can certainly agree to disagree, but I will continue to post what I think are helpful comments for potential families.
They say that time heals all wounds and I am sure that when 30 years passes for me I might feel like you in that it wasn't so bad. Time will tell.
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On 2006-03-12 13:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"If you read through all the posts on this website I believe you will come to the same conclusion as me. There are far more than "a few" people posting.
I like seeing various opinions about Hyde and feel that you have a lot to add. While at Hyde I did not get the impression that these Hyde Lifers were trying to be part of the solution rather than part of the problem as you say. I do believe that many of the young staff who have come on board recently do so with the best intentions but as the attrition rate shows, these staffers get out of Hyde in record as quickly as possible. This leaves the "Lifers" who might in their sick mind think they are changing the world, but isn't this so about all the leaders of Cults including Jim Jones?
We can certainly agree to disagree, but I will continue to post what I think are helpful comments for potential families.
They say that time heals all wounds and I am sure that when 30 years passes for me I might feel like you in that it wasn't so bad. Time will tell."
Let me add my voice to the chorus of people who had a very bad experience at Hyde. Sid, you may think there are just a few of us out here. Believe me, it's a lot more than a few. A lot more. I'm reading many points on this board that sound a lot like what's been stirred up in me for a long time. When I was at Hyde I saw that it helped some of the kids, but they were in the minority. Most of what I saw at Hyde was similar to what quite a few people here are talking about, with too many inexperienced staff who hadn't quite figured out their own lives trying to supervise a lot of very troubled students. Yes, I saw some good staff too, but believe me there's a lot at Hyde this isn't healthy. And I'm not sure watching Joe Gauld lose it and go after students and parents is exactly the best way to learn how to be a human being.
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On 2006-03-12 13:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"If you read through all the posts on this website I believe you will come to the same conclusion as me. There are far more than "a few" people posting.
I like seeing various opinions about Hyde and feel that you have a lot to add. While at Hyde I did not get the impression that these Hyde Lifers were trying to be part of the solution rather than part of the problem as you say. I do believe that many of the young staff who have come on board recently do so with the best intentions but as the attrition rate shows, these staffers get out of Hyde in record as quickly as possible. This leaves the "Lifers" who might in their sick mind think they are changing the world, but isn't this so about all the leaders of Cults including Jim Jones?
We can certainly agree to disagree, but I will continue to post what I think are helpful comments for potential families.
They say that time heals all wounds and I am sure that when 30 years passes for me I might feel like you in that it wasn't so bad. Time will tell."
It is a stretch for Jim Jones to Joe Gauld. Jim gave us the wonderful phase "drink the kool-aid" but so did Ken Kesey.
Joe is closer to Ken and the Hydites closer to the Merry Pranksters. If you don't want to be on the bus you get off. The retirement plan from the Peoples Temple was not like leaving hyde. If you don't like it walk a couple of blocks up High street walk down the ramp on to route 1 and stick your thumb out. I did it. No one tried to stop me. No one was afraid I was going to reveil a dark secret. So your analogy is way off. I like mine better:
Joe Gauld <=> Ken Kesey
The electric kool-aid hyde test. Can you pass the test? Apperently not.
Cyd Charisse
BTW Ken has a nasty temper too.
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On 2006-03-12 05:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-10 20:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-09 17:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This week I had a conversation with a parent who heard about Hyde and wanted some feedback about it. The parent had heard very mixed things about Hyde, mostly negative. I shared our family's experience and encouraged the parent to look for alternatives to Hyde. Based on the parent's description of the child's needs and mental health issues, I think Hyde would be a disaster. The parent said that my feedback was consistent with what she had heard from a number other people. She's now looking for other schools to pursue (with the advice of an educational consultant).
During the conversation the parent said that Hyde now expects parents to make a two-year commitment. Is that true? If so, when did that start? If it's true, I guess Hyde says it is doing this because it doesn't think it can have an impact in just one year. Or, is this merely Hyde's thinly disguised ploy to lock in 2 years' worth of tuition and fees and a way to combat the high attrition rate?"
I was at hyde 30 years ago. Hyde was not perfect. I was there when Tommy was there. I can understand why Tommy feels the way he does. Henry could be a real prick. Having Joe get in your face and scream at you was not theraputic to any degree IMHO. I saw a number of kids fail. Hyde worked for me. I found an inner strength and an ablity to persever in my experiences there. I find the rants about how the place completely sucks, fatuious and closed minded. I am sorry if some of the posts I made on this board aid in what seem to be an effort to make trash about hyde google-able. I know that there is at least one person with whom I went to hyde with that reads this board. I want you to know that I respect your dedication to your belief in Hyde. I offer my appologies if what I have posted here has offended you.
Hyde had and still has a profound positive effect on my life.
Sid"
I'm always pleased to hear when students appreciate their experience at a school and can see how it affected their lives. I'm happy for you, Sid.
But . . . please understand that many of us had horrible experiences at Hyde. In a school with such a diverse student body, it's inevitable that some people are going to have a good experience. At Hyde, however, there's clear, substantial, and compelling evidence that many students and their parents have terrible experiences. A lot depends on when you were there, who happened to be on staff then, what kinds of students Hyde accepted then, etc. The many comments from people on this board show over and over again that many of us were deeply scarred by the mistreatment and emotional chaos at Hyde. I'm a more recent Hyde veteran; your experience was 30 years ago. My impression is that the school is very different now. Probably because of competition in the boarding school marketplace, Hyde now accepts lots of students with major psychiatric and drug/alcohol problems. The evidence is overwhelming that Hyde isn't equipped to deal with or help many of these students. Hyde's model just doesn't work for many of these students, despite all of the Gauld (etc.) rhetoric and slick marketing that says that "character education" works for nearly everyone. Hyde is trying to survive as a school by reinventing itself. There's no question about that. It's trying to fit a square peg (Joe Gauld's "character education" mission) into a round hole (the many students Hyde accepts who need something very different from what Hyde offers). It may work for some, but it definitely doesn't work for many others. I think that's why Hyde's attrition rate is so unusually high and why so many people leave in disgust. You don't need to be a genius to figure this out. The underground at Hyde says that administrators are very, very worried about enrollments and competition, and the school's controversial and ambiguous identity and reputation. Hyde knows it's in trouble and is working hard to market itself to the masses.
At the very least Hyde should narrow its focus and limit itself to the very small number of students who are appropriate for the Hyde model. That probably means shrinking to a mere fraction of its current size. Sadly, to feed itself Hyde has chosen to accept so many students who don't belong there. That's part of the Hyde tragedy. The other part is Hyde staff's arrogant assumption that it can turn around everyone who walks through the door (and if you resist or question Hyde there will likely be some staff person who belittles you, shames you, and tries to convince you that the apple didn't fall far from the tree, blah, blah, blah). Hyde would do well to practice what it preaches and examine the truth about itself, even if that leads to some disharmony."
Actually it the other way around. Hyde used to accept wacked out clinically certified metal cases with substance abuse problems. They don't any more, which really pisses me off. I think kids like me should have a chance to go to Hyde.
Man, some one belittled you? What are you? Some arrogant upper class kid with an attitude as big and boring as nebraska. And some one was mean to you! Poor baby. And mom and Dad shelled out big buck just to get you out of thier hair. They dropped a wad of large Joe's feet so they would could get you out of the plush suburban MacMansion. Think about that. How did you get to hyde? I bet it wasn't because you fucked up your Eagle Scout Project or sang out of key in the church choir. I am shocked, shocked to hear that the unskilled staff did not give you your props. I got some firewood for you to move.
Sydney Australia
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Sid, I like your style.
Who are you and when did you go to hyde?
Stephen Long '81
[email protected]
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On 2006-03-12 19:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Sid, I like your style.
Who are you and when did you go to hyde?
Stephen Long '81
[email protected]"
By Geezum Stephen, I see you are a Vermontah. I will drop you a line. BTW I really do have firewood to move. If any of you alums on the list need an attitude adjustment you can come on up to God's county and help me stack next years supply.
sydney greenstreet
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I have plenty of firewood out under the apple tree if anyone wants to come move it for me....I got my fill of moving woodpiles and raking the front yard of the mansion back in the day!
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This week we received a telephone call from parents who are trying to find an appropriate boarding school for their child. The mom explained to us that she "Googled" Hyde and found this website. She said that she and her husband had heard some very negative things about Hyde, but that finding this website and reading many of the postings REALLY scared them. They said they can't imagine sending their child to a school like Hyde, in light of all of the negative reports here. She said the positive comments were overshadowed by the many thoughtful criticisms. She also said their educational consultant doesn't recommend Hyde any longer.
Anyway, they're looking for suggestions. What other schools have people had good experiences with (their child is beginning to hang with the wrong crowd, is showing some signs of defiance, but isn't out of control)?
Thanks for your help.
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I would tell Mom to take this website with a grain of salt. It just a bunch of whiners that couldn't hack Hyde, posting again and again citing unnamed "educational consultants" that advise against sending children to Hyde because big ol scary Joe is going to vituperate at them and give them low self esteem. Then when ever any one says "Hyde actually helped me" we hear the same tired old turgid riff, like the opening guitar line to freebird, "we are glad that you had a good time but many of us did not," as if there are really a bunch of you and you all repeat the same lines and the same word almost like you are part of a Cult. That is it! This is the Anti Hyde Cult Web Site.
guess who is coming to dinner
Sydney Poitier
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On 2006-03-15 19:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I would tell Mom to take this website with a grain of salt. It just a bunch of whiners that couldn't hack Hyde, posting again and again citing unnamed "educational consultants" that advise against sending children to Hyde because big ol scary Joe is going to vituperate at them and give them low self esteem. Then when ever any one says "Hyde actually helped me" we hear the same tired old turgid riff, like the opening guitar line to freebird, "we are glad that you had a good time but many of us did not," as if there are really a bunch of you and you all repeat the same lines and the same word almost like you are part of a Cult. That is it! This is the Anti Hyde Cult Web Site.
guess who is coming to dinner
Sydney Poitier"
and
consider the lilies of the field ...
Amen
Sydney Poitier
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On 2006-03-15 19:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-15 19:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I would tell Mom to take this website with a grain of salt. It just a bunch of whiners that couldn't hack Hyde, posting again and again citing unnamed "educational consultants" that advise against sending children to Hyde because big ol scary Joe is going to vituperate at them and give them low self esteem. Then when ever any one says "Hyde actually helped me" we hear the same tired old turgid riff, like the opening guitar line to freebird, "we are glad that you had a good time but many of us did not," as if there are really a bunch of you and you all repeat the same lines and the same word almost like you are part of a Cult. That is it! This is the Anti Hyde Cult Web Site.
guess who is coming to dinner
Sydney Poitier"
and
consider the lilies of the field ...
Amen
Sydney Poitier"
Dear Sidney Portier
So you think I am a whiner because my experience at Hyde was bad for me. Of course I am one of many people posting on this board so I can only speak for myself. I think you are assuming that everyone posting here could not handle Hyde. This was not true in my case. Hyde is a piece of cake especially the non existant education. I handled Hyde fine, got through without any problems, graduated, but hate that place and how they manipulate, demean, and shame families and kids alike. I don't know when you went to Hyde, but the Hyde of the 90's and 2000's is a bad place that has turned into nothing but a business to financially benefit the Gauld family. Of course there are still those Hyde families who hang onto it just like some people go to AA and NA meetings all their lives. You will find that most of the HAPA, (parent assoc) families have something terribly wrong with them in one way or another.
To me the most relevant proof that Hyde doesn't work is the few faculty members who have been there for years, (mostly family of the Gaulds) and are still struggling with the same things they have struggled with for 25-30 years. Good God, you would think by now with all the so called self help they would be over it!
Call it whining if you want, I call this website an honest look at what Hyde is all about.
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On 2006-03-16 08:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-15 19:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-15 19:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I would tell Mom to take this website with a grain of salt. It just a bunch of whiners that couldn't hack Hyde, posting again and again citing unnamed "educational consultants" that advise against sending children to Hyde because big ol scary Joe is going to vituperate at them and give them low self esteem. Then when ever any one says "Hyde actually helped me" we hear the same tired old turgid riff, like the opening guitar line to freebird, "we are glad that you had a good time but many of us did not," as if there are really a bunch of you and you all repeat the same lines and the same word almost like you are part of a Cult. That is it! This is the Anti Hyde Cult Web Site.
guess who is coming to dinner
Sydney Poitier"
and
consider the lilies of the field ...
Amen
Sydney Poitier"
Dear Sidney Portier
So you think I am a whiner because my experience at Hyde was bad for me. Of course I am one of many people posting on this board so I can only speak for myself. I think you are assuming that everyone posting here could not handle Hyde. This was not true in my case. Hyde is a piece of cake especially the non existant education. I handled Hyde fine, got through without any problems, graduated, but hate that place and how they manipulate, demean, and shame families and kids alike. I don't know when you went to Hyde, but the Hyde of the 90's and 2000's is a bad place that has turned into nothing but a business to financially benefit the Gauld family. Of course there are still those Hyde families who hang onto it just like some people go to AA and NA meetings all their lives. You will find that most of the HAPA, (parent assoc) families have something terribly wrong with them in one way or another.
To me the most relevant proof that Hyde doesn't work is the few faculty members who have been there for years, (mostly family of the Gaulds) and are still struggling with the same things they have struggled with for 25-30 years. Good God, you would think by now with all the so called self help they would be over it!
Call it whining if you want, I call this website an honest look at what Hyde is all about."
hi,
>So you think I am a whiner
No I don't. I think you have a right to speak about your experience. Most people have something wrong with them, HAPA may be self selected to the edge of the spectrum with more problems. You are probably mnot talking about the parents of Eagle Scouts or National Merit Scholors and it is true that the apple does not fall far from the tree. It does roll some times though, or at least that is the only explaination I have for how well my kids have turned out.
I can't speak to the present dynamics in Bath and I could not find Woodstock Conn without a map. All I can say is that it worked for me when I was there. What I would like to see is the folks on this list leave that statement be with out picking it up and saying: "We are glad it worked for you but .." My experiance is just as valid as yours even though it is diametrically different.
Sidney Sheldon
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Your experience IS just as valid as mine and I never said it wasn't. You are right. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions about Hyde and everyone had different experiences there. Some people breeze through, some actually like it, others end up doing drugs, having sex with teachers, going to AA meetings and getting high while out, and others hate the place so much they run as fast as they can.
I personally have gained a lot from this website. It has helped validate the way I felt while at Hyde. It is also nice to see that some parents and faculty have remorse for participating in something that has been harmful for some. Hopefully you saw that post from a former faculty member who speaks of her remorse and shame.
To me what is important is that the potential parents out there be well informed and base their decision on the truth. IMHO getting the typical tour from one of the poster kids at Hyde is not a true example of Hyde. Websites like this are important as well as a good educational consultant. It would also be nice if Hyde would allow potential parents to sit in on a seminar, and also in one of Joe Gauld's meetings. This truly will give parents a clear picture of what Hyde is and what lies ahead for them. Then and only then can they make a smart decision that best suits their family. I don't believe in spending $40,000 for surprises only to find out you can't get your money back.
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It is inaccurate to say that the people who participate in this forum couldn't hack Hyde, as someone else wrote.
I graduated from Hyde as one of my class leaders. When I left, I told everyone who would listen how wonderful Hyde was. It was only with time, adult perspective, and education in relevant fields that I realized how emotionally manipulated and damaged I had been as a teen/young adult within the Hyde community. I think it is vitally important that all people associated with Hyde be free to describe their experiences here without being assaulted and called names like "whiners" by others who may have a different perspective. Perhaps shining light on all of our Hyde experiences will make a difference.
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On 2006-03-16 17:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It is inaccurate to say that the people who participate in this forum couldn't hack Hyde, as someone else wrote.
I graduated from Hyde as one of my class leaders. When I left, I told everyone who would listen how wonderful Hyde was. It was only with time, adult perspective, and education in relevant fields that I realized how emotionally manipulated and damaged I had been as a teen/young adult within the Hyde community. I think it is vitally important that all people associated with Hyde be free to describe their experiences here without being assaulted and called names like "whiners" by others who may have a different perspective. Perhaps shining light on all of our Hyde experiences will make a difference."
BRAVO, BRAVO. Thank you for speaking so well for the rest of us.
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On 2006-03-16 18:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-16 17:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It is inaccurate to say that the people who participate in this forum couldn't hack Hyde, as someone else wrote.
I graduated from Hyde as one of my class leaders. When I left, I told everyone who would listen how wonderful Hyde was. It was only with time, adult perspective, and education in relevant fields that I realized how emotionally manipulated and damaged I had been as a teen/young adult within the Hyde community. I think it is vitally important that all people associated with Hyde be free to describe their experiences here without being assaulted and called names like "whiners" by others who may have a different perspective. Perhaps shining light on all of our Hyde experiences will make a difference."
BRAVO, BRAVO. Thank you for speaking so well for the rest of us."
You are apperently correct about the academics. Check this out:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=assault (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=assault)
I have assaulted no one. One would hope that you moved on from your Hyde education and picked up a vague semblance of a collegiate vocabulary. If you are speaking english as a second language, please accept my apologies.
If you were in Sumner's English class you would not have been allowed a such gross lexical imprecision. I can hear him now reciting The Love Song of J. Alfred Profrock.
"Dare I eat a peach?"
As far a being called a whiner, I would look to the Tibetian Buddist saw "to do is to be." All I have seen is a bunch of gerneralized complaints (whines?). What specifically happened that was bad? Dish some details. I want names of staff. I want dates. Tommy is the only one who has named a specific staff member and a specific incident and that was 30 years ago.
The reason I ask is I don't think you even went to hyde let alone graduate. The graduates I know would not dis the school on a public forum, but we were from the Beach Boy generation:
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/b/beach-boys/13905.html (http://www.lyricsfreak.com/b/beach-boys/13905.html)
Sidney Bechet
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To Sidney Bechet,
The way you express yourself as a graduate reflects on the school. I wonder if you realize how damaging your comments are to Hyde.
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On 2006-03-16 14:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Your experience IS just as valid as mine and I never said it wasn't. You are right. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions about Hyde and everyone had different experiences there. Some people breeze through, some actually like it, others end up doing drugs, having sex with teachers, going to AA meetings and getting high while out, and others hate the place so much they run as fast as they can.
I personally have gained a lot from this website. It has helped validate the way I felt while at Hyde. It is also nice to see that some parents and faculty have remorse for participating in something that has been harmful for some. Hopefully you saw that post from a former faculty member who speaks of her remorse and shame.
To me what is important is that the potential parents out there be well informed and base their decision on the truth. IMHO getting the typical tour from one of the poster kids at Hyde is not a true example of Hyde. Websites like this are important as well as a good educational consultant. It would also be nice if Hyde would allow potential parents to sit in on a seminar, and also in one of Joe Gauld's meetings. This truly will give parents a clear picture of what Hyde is and what lies ahead for them. Then and only then can they make a smart decision that best suits their family. I don't believe in spending $40,000 for surprises only to find out you can't get your money back."
>Hopefully you saw that post from a former faculty >member who speaks of her remorse and shame.
I saw it. When was she there? Was she ever there? The prose style is very similar to the recent post proporting to be from a parent. I defy any of you to name the years you were there and four staff members, beside Joe, Mal,Lauri and Paul. Go Ahead.
I calling you out.
Sydney Ohio
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On 2006-03-17 08:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"To Sidney Bechet,
The way you express yourself as a graduate reflects on the school. I wonder if you realize how damaging your comments are to Hyde. "
I never ID'ed myself as a graduate. How are my statements damaging to Hyde?
Sydney, California
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Because you come off like Tom Cruise railing about Brooke Shields on the Oprah show. I'm not sure that the Church of Scientology is currently looking at that episode at a real big PR coup for them.
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On 2006-03-17 09:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-16 14:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Your experience IS just as valid as mine and I never said it wasn't. You are right. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions about Hyde and everyone had different experiences there. Some people breeze through, some actually like it, others end up doing drugs, having sex with teachers, going to AA meetings and getting high while out, and others hate the place so much they run as fast as they can.
I personally have gained a lot from this website. It has helped validate the way I felt while at Hyde. It is also nice to see that some parents and faculty have remorse for participating in something that has been harmful for some. Hopefully you saw that post from a former faculty member who speaks of her remorse and shame.
To me what is important is that the potential parents out there be well informed and base their decision on the truth. IMHO getting the typical tour from one of the poster kids at Hyde is not a true example of Hyde. Websites like this are important as well as a good educational consultant. It would also be nice if Hyde would allow potential parents to sit in on a seminar, and also in one of Joe Gauld's meetings. This truly will give parents a clear picture of what Hyde is and what lies ahead for them. Then and only then can they make a smart decision that best suits their family. I don't believe in spending $40,000 for surprises only to find out you can't get your money back."
>Hopefully you saw that post from a former faculty >member who speaks of her remorse and shame.
I saw it. When was she there? Was she ever there? The prose style is very similar to the recent post proporting to be from a parent. I defy any of you to name the years you were there and four staff members, beside Joe, Mal,Lauri and Paul. Go Ahead.
I calling you out.
Sydney Ohio
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I was at Woodstock several years ago. You want names? McCrann, Dubinsky, Felt, Gauld (sometimes), Schuler, McMillan, Murdock, Bertshy, Champney, Coleman, Smith, Cavalo, Murphy, Neal, Gregory, Levy, Racine, Warnick . . . Should I keep going?
I had an awful experience at the school. Some of these people were okay, but lots of the staff weren't. People outside of Hyde should only know what really goes on inside. I think few parents would send their kids to Hyde if they knew the truth.
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In response to a poster who writes, "I think it is vitally important that all people associated with Hyde be free to describe their experiences here without being assaulted and called names like "whiners" by others who may have a different perspective," "Sidney Bechet" writes:
<http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=assault (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=assault)
I have assaulted no one. One would hope that you moved on from your Hyde education and picked up a vague semblance of a collegiate vocabulary. If you are speaking english as a second language, please accept my apologies. If you were in Sumner's English class you would not have been allowed a such gross lexical imprecision.>>
If you are going to invoke Sumner Hawley's ghost, then it's only fair to observe that:
1. The misspelling of "apperently" in the opening sentence of your response would certainly have set Sumner's teeth on edge; and
2. Sumner might have actually read the definition that you cite ("1. A violent physical or verbal attack"), and he might have even read the definition of the word "attack" from the same source ("To criticize strongly or in a hostile manner"). He might even have concluded that a remark such as the one at the beginning of this post would qualify as a verbal criticism rendered in a hostile manner (a/k/a "assault").
If you _really_ want to hear Sidney Bechet sound off, go to:
http://azulweb.streamguys.com/garynullr ... /jazz4.m3u (http://azulweb.streamguys.com/garynullradio/jazz/jazz4.m3u)
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On 2006-03-17 14:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Because you come off like Tom Cruise railing about Brooke Shields on the Oprah show. I'm not sure that the Church of Scientology is currently looking at that episode at a real big PR coup for them."
I don't watch broadcast TV. I have heard of Oprah. Tom Cruise is one of my favorite scientologist. He was really good in Magnolia and Collateral.
So are you really concerned that I am having an adverse effect? I mean are you a Hydite? Because if you are and you have a genuine concern I will stop.
sydney pollack
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On 2006-03-17 14:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-17 09:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-16 14:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Your experience IS just as valid as mine and I never said it wasn't. You are right. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions about Hyde and everyone had different experiences there. Some people breeze through, some actually like it, others end up doing drugs, having sex with teachers, going to AA meetings and getting high while out, and others hate the place so much they run as fast as they can.
I personally have gained a lot from this website. It has helped validate the way I felt while at Hyde. It is also nice to see that some parents and faculty have remorse for participating in something that has been harmful for some. Hopefully you saw that post from a former faculty member who speaks of her remorse and shame.
To me what is important is that the potential parents out there be well informed and base their decision on the truth. IMHO getting the typical tour from one of the poster kids at Hyde is not a true example of Hyde. Websites like this are important as well as a good educational consultant. It would also be nice if Hyde would allow potential parents to sit in on a seminar, and also in one of Joe Gauld's meetings. This truly will give parents a clear picture of what Hyde is and what lies ahead for them. Then and only then can they make a smart decision that best suits their family. I don't believe in spending $40,000 for surprises only to find out you can't get your money back."
>Hopefully you saw that post from a former faculty >member who speaks of her remorse and shame.
I saw it. When was she there? Was she ever there? The prose style is very similar to the recent post proporting to be from a parent. I defy any of you to name the years you were there and four staff members, beside Joe, Mal,Lauri and Paul. Go Ahead.
I calling you out.
Sydney Ohio
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I was at Woodstock several years ago. You want names? McCrann, Dubinsky, Felt, Gauld (sometimes), Schuler, McMillan, Murdock, Bertshy, Champney, Coleman, Smith, Cavalo, Murphy, Neal, Gregory, Levy, Racine, Warnick . . . Should I keep going?
I had an awful experience at the school. Some of these people were okay, but lots of the staff weren't. People outside of Hyde should only know what really goes on inside. I think few parents would send their kids to Hyde if they knew the truth."
Thank you. That was refeshing. I know some of those folks you mentioned and think that some of them are genuinely convinced that Hyde has the right approch to help people. I is also good to hear that you experience was not all negative.
sydney florida
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On 2006-03-17 15:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"In response to a poster who writes, "I think it is vitally important that all people associated with Hyde be free to describe their experiences here without being assaulted and called names like "whiners" by others who may have a different perspective," "Sidney Bechet" writes:
<
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=assault (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=assault)
I have assaulted no one. One would hope that you moved on from your Hyde education and picked up a vague semblance of a collegiate vocabulary. If you are speaking english as a second language, please accept my apologies. If you were in Sumner's English class you would not have been allowed a such gross lexical imprecision.>>
If you are going to invoke Sumner Hawley's ghost, then it's only fair to observe that:
1. The misspelling of "apperently" in the opening sentence of your response would certainly have set Sumner's teeth on edge; and
2. Sumner might have actually read the definition that you cite ("1. A violent physical or verbal attack"), and he might have even read the definition of the word "attack" from the same source ("To criticize strongly or in a hostile manner"). He might even have concluded that a remark such as the one at the beginning of this post would qualify as a verbal criticism rendered in a hostile manner (a/k/a "assault").
If you _really_ want to hear Sidney Bechet sound off, go to:
http://azulweb.streamguys.com/garynullr ... /jazz4.m3u (http://azulweb.streamguys.com/garynullradio/jazz/jazz4.m3u)"
Yeah, you are correct. Sumner was very harsh on my spelling and grammar. Not that my prose was poor, which he freely admitted was good, just the inattention to details, like writting "you" when I ment "your" I really love Sumner. He was the brite spot of erudition in an otherwise intelectually dull landscape. I include the Texan that used to strut in the student union spouting his opinions as fact, in the guise of a civics course. One of my deepest regrets at Hyde was taking his advice that vote for McCarthy was a wasted vote. I really wish I had voted for McCarthy in that election.
Anyway "A violent physical or verbal attack." I don't think so. If that was violent what do you call what Joe did you he got in your face?
Sydney Arkansas
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On 2006-03-17 17:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-17 15:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"In response to a poster who writes, "I think it is vitally important that all people associated with Hyde be free to describe their experiences here without being assaulted and called names like "whiners" by others who may have a different perspective," "Sidney Bechet" writes:
<
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=assault (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=assault)
I have assaulted no one. One would hope that you moved on from your Hyde education and picked up a vague semblance of a collegiate vocabulary. If you are speaking english as a second language, please accept my apologies. If you were in Sumner's English class you would not have been allowed a such gross lexical imprecision.>>
If you are going to invoke Sumner Hawley's ghost, then it's only fair to observe that:
1. The misspelling of "apperently" in the opening sentence of your response would certainly have set Sumner's teeth on edge; and
2. Sumner might have actually read the definition that you cite ("1. A violent physical or verbal attack"), and he might have even read the definition of the word "attack" from the same source ("To criticize strongly or in a hostile manner"). He might even have concluded that a remark such as the one at the beginning of this post would qualify as a verbal criticism rendered in a hostile manner (a/k/a "assault").
If you _really_ want to hear Sidney Bechet sound off, go to:
http://azulweb.streamguys.com/garynullr ... /jazz4.m3u (http://azulweb.streamguys.com/garynullradio/jazz/jazz4.m3u)"
Yeah, you are correct. Sumner was very harsh on my spelling and grammar. Not that my prose was poor, which he freely admitted was good, just the inattention to details, like writting "you" when I ment "your" I really love Sumner. He was the brite spot of erudition in an otherwise intelectually dull landscape. I include the Texan that used to strut in the student union spouting his opinions as fact, in the guise of a civics course. One of my deepest regrets at Hyde was taking his advice that vote for McCarthy was a wasted vote. I really wish I had voted for McCarthy in that election.
Anyway "A violent physical or verbal attack." I don't think so. If that was violent what do you call what Joe did you he got in your face?
Sydney Arkansas"
PS thanks for the Sydney Bechet link. I am listening to it now.
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Names withheld by request:
1. Teacher/coach who conducted a Lord-of-the-Flies-style drill that consisted of encirling the weakest and most helpless student on the team and beating the tar out of him. This developed character in the encircling students by teaching them the meaning of "Courage."
2. Teacher/coach who specialized in developing close relationships with the best looking girls in the school, and coaching them about "Leadership" in one-on-one sessions in his office.
3. Teacher quoted in Time magazine, addressing a student with the question, "Do you realize that you're a gutless chameleon?" This developed character in the student to whom the question was directed by teaching him the meaning of "Concern for Others."
4. Teacher who instilled academic "Curiosity" in his students by regularly storming out of the class because their attitude was so bad that they didn't deserve to have him there (and he needed could go back to his office and finish out the athletic schedule).
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Names withheld by request:
1. Teacher/coach who conducted a Lord-of-the-Flies-style drill that consisted of encirling the weakest and most helpless student on the team and beating the tar out of him. This developed character in the encircling students by teaching them the meaning of "Courage."
2. Teacher/coach who specialized in developing close relationships with the best looking girls in the school, and coaching them about "Leadership" in one-on-one sessions in his office.
3. Teacher quoted in Time magazine, addressing a student with the question, "Do you realize that you're a gutless chameleon?" This developed character in the student to whom the question was directed by teaching him the meaning of "Concern for Others."
4. Teacher who instilled academic "Curiosity" in his students by regularly storming out of the class because their attitude was so bad that they didn't deserve to have him there (and he needed could go back to his office and finish out the athletic schedule).
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On 2006-03-17 17:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Names withheld by request:
1. Teacher/coach who conducted a Lord-of-the-Flies-style drill that consisted of encirling the weakest and most helpless student on the team and beating the tar out of him. This developed character in the encircling students by teaching them the meaning of "Courage."
2. Teacher/coach who specialized in developing close relationships with the best looking girls in the school, and coaching them about "Leadership" in one-on-one sessions in his office.
3. Teacher quoted in Time magazine, addressing a student with the question, "Do you realize that you're a gutless chameleon?" This developed character in the student to whom the question was directed by teaching him the meaning of "Concern for Others."
4. Teacher who instilled academic "Curiosity" in his students by regularly storming out of the class because their attitude was so bad that they didn't deserve to have him there (and he needed could go back to his office and finish out the athletic schedule).
. Teacher quoted in Time magazine, addressing a student with the question, "Do you realize that you're a gutless chameleon?" This developed character in the student to whom the question was directed by teaching him the meaning of "Concern for Others."
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I would stipulate that would be a verbal assault. Who was that?
Sydney Runningoutofsurnames
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On 2006-03-17 17:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-17 17:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Names withheld by request:
1. Teacher/coach who conducted a Lord-of-the-Flies-style drill that consisted of encirling the weakest and most helpless student on the team and beating the tar out of him. This developed character in the encircling students by teaching them the meaning of "Courage."
2. Teacher/coach who specialized in developing close relationships with the best looking girls in the school, and coaching them about "Leadership" in one-on-one sessions in his office.
3. Teacher quoted in Time magazine, addressing a student with the question, "Do you realize that you're a gutless chameleon?" This developed character in the student to whom the question was directed by teaching him the meaning of "Concern for Others."
4. Teacher who instilled academic "Curiosity" in his students by regularly storming out of the class because their attitude was so bad that they didn't deserve to have him there (and he needed could go back to his office and finish out the athletic schedule).
. Teacher quoted in Time magazine, addressing a student with the question, "Do you realize that you're a gutless chameleon?" This developed character in the student to whom the question was directed by teaching him the meaning of "Concern for Others."
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I would stipulate that would be a verbal assault. Who was that?
Sydney Runningoutofsurnames"
Man that is to funny for words.
http://www.time.com/time/archive/previe ... 95,00.html (http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,914495,00.html)
Jim Searles! I thought it was some one scary.
So who was the couch/coach back in the day of swine flu and whip inflation now?
Sydney
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2. Teacher/coach who specialized in developing close relationships with the best looking girls in the school, and coaching them about "Leadership" in one-on-one sessions in his office.
This is an easy one! Larry Dubinsky. Total pervert who the administrators protected until a parent finally sued. He should have been arrested, but instead the school told us girls, "you need to confront him and tell him how he makes you feel." oh yeah girls, let's tell Dubinsky that feeling us up to get his rocks off at practice makes us feel uncomfortable. I am sure he would have stopped if we let him know.......NOT!
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On 2006-03-17 20:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
"2. Teacher/coach who specialized in developing close relationships with the best looking girls in the school, and coaching them about "Leadership" in one-on-one sessions in his office.
This is an easy one! Larry Dubinsky. Total pervert who the administrators protected until a parent finally sued. He should have been arrested, but instead the school told us girls, "you need to confront him and tell him how he makes you feel." oh yeah girls, let's tell Dubinsky that feeling us up to get his rocks off at practice makes us feel uncomfortable. I am sure he would have stopped if we let him know.......NOT!"
I am sorry to hear that. There is a natural tendency for institutions to circle the wagons in a case like this, to protect the mission. Catholicism and it adherents were the keepers of the knowledge of the golden age through the dark ages in europe. As a non catholic christian and former catholic, I acknowledge the role the Church had in preserving and spreading the Word of Christ. The church has existed for close to two millenia. The recent sex abuse charges against catholic clergy speak to failures both institutional and human but not to failure of the mission of the church to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ.
I would submit that if the assurtions you have made are true, the same is true of hyde. Hyde mission is not to molest pubesent girls any more then the Catholic Church's mission is to sodomize little boys. It is a human failure on the part of an individual and the people surronding that individual not a flaw in the fundemental mission.
How did you pick up the on the Time article if you went to woodstock? I was at that meeting in 76 and forgot all about it. I am tring to remember which andrew .... Mann Swartz? It is really funny (my apologies if Jim is reading this) being confronted by Jim was like encountering a toy poodle as a watch dog. He was really a sweet guy. His wife was a very nice and caring person too. I think her name was Joanna.
The guy that was scary was Paul Hurd. I had a chest Xray recently and the doctor asked how I got the indentations on my chest bone. Just kidding.
sydney
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On 2006-03-18 04:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-17 20:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
"2. Teacher/coach who specialized in developing close relationships with the best looking girls in the school, and coaching them about "Leadership" in one-on-one sessions in his office.
This is an easy one! Larry Dubinsky. Total pervert who the administrators protected until a parent finally sued. He should have been arrested, but instead the school told us girls, "you need to confront him and tell him how he makes you feel." oh yeah girls, let's tell Dubinsky that feeling us up to get his rocks off at practice makes us feel uncomfortable. I am sure he would have stopped if we let him know.......NOT!"
I am sorry to hear that. There is a natural tendency for institutions to circle the wagons in a case like this, to protect the mission. Catholicism and it adherents were the keepers of the knowledge of the golden age through the dark ages in europe. As a non catholic christian and former catholic, I acknowledge the role the Church had in preserving and spreading the Word of Christ. The church has existed for close to two millenia. The recent sex abuse charges against catholic clergy speak to failures both institutional and human but not to failure of the mission of the church to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ.
I would submit that if the assurtions you have made are true, the same is true of hyde. Hyde mission is not to molest pubesent girls any more then the Catholic Church's mission is to sodomize little boys. It is a human failure on the part of an individual and the people surronding that individual not a flaw in the fundemental mission.
How did you pick up the on the Time article if you went to woodstock? I was at that meeting in 76 and forgot all about it. I am tring to remember which andrew .... Mann Swartz? It is really funny (my apologies if Jim is reading this) being confronted by Jim was like encountering a toy poodle as a watch dog. He was really a sweet guy. His wife was a very nice and caring person too. I think her name was Joanna.
The guy that was scary was Paul Hurd. I had a chest Xray recently and the doctor asked how I got the indentations on my chest bone. Just kidding.
sydney"
I agree that Hyde's mission is not to molest, but the key question is, do you get rid of the molester and keep all the people who covered it up, or do you also get rid of the administrators who believed this was an acceptable way to run a place? If I am not mistaken the Catholic Church got rid of the head of the Church in Boston for the cover-ups, not strictly the molestors.
You wanted more names. I can add to the other ones. Ken Grant who physically attacked at least one girl that I know of, Don McMillan who has attacked at least one kid, and of course the in house pervert Dubinsky who loved to give back rubs to us in sports. Of course the other names were already brought up like the Prophet Joe Gauld. Never did hear of his son Malcolm going at it physically with anyone, so guess that is a plus.
Hey, that's enough for me not to ever recommend Hyde to anyone. The message might be good, but the messengers are one scary group.
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One of you mentioned the name Cavalli. Isn't that a relation to the woman at Woodstock who married one of the fathers? Could this be the same flirtatious administrator who came to Hyde after a bad divorce and was intent on finding herself a rich guy?
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On 2006-03-18 05:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-18 04:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-17 20:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
"2. Teacher/coach who specialized in developing close relationships with the best looking girls in the school, and coaching them about "Leadership" in one-on-one sessions in his office.
This is an easy one! Larry Dubinsky. Total pervert who the administrators protected until a parent finally sued. He should have been arrested, but instead the school told us girls, "you need to confront him and tell him how he makes you feel." oh yeah girls, let's tell Dubinsky that feeling us up to get his rocks off at practice makes us feel uncomfortable. I am sure he would have stopped if we let him know.......NOT!"
I am sorry to hear that. There is a natural tendency for institutions to circle the wagons in a case like this, to protect the mission. Catholicism and it adherents were the keepers of the knowledge of the golden age through the dark ages in europe. As a non catholic christian and former catholic, I acknowledge the role the Church had in preserving and spreading the Word of Christ. The church has existed for close to two millenia. The recent sex abuse charges against catholic clergy speak to failures both institutional and human but not to failure of the mission of the church to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ.
I would submit that if the assurtions you have made are true, the same is true of hyde. Hyde mission is not to molest pubesent girls any more then the Catholic Church's mission is to sodomize little boys. It is a human failure on the part of an individual and the people surronding that individual not a flaw in the fundemental mission.
How did you pick up the on the Time article if you went to woodstock? I was at that meeting in 76 and forgot all about it. I am tring to remember which andrew .... Mann Swartz? It is really funny (my apologies if Jim is reading this) being confronted by Jim was like encountering a toy poodle as a watch dog. He was really a sweet guy. His wife was a very nice and caring person too. I think her name was Joanna.
The guy that was scary was Paul Hurd. I had a chest Xray recently and the doctor asked how I got the indentations on my chest bone. Just kidding.
sydney"
I agree that Hyde's mission is not to molest, but the key question is, do you get rid of the molester and keep all the people who covered it up, or do you also get rid of the administrators who believed this was an acceptable way to run a place? If I am not mistaken the Catholic Church got rid of the head of the Church in Boston for the cover-ups, not strictly the molestors.
You wanted more names. I can add to the other ones. Ken Grant who physically attacked at least one girl that I know of, Don McMillan who has attacked at least one kid, and of course the in house pervert Dubinsky who loved to give back rubs to us in sports. Of course the other names were already brought up like the Prophet Joe Gauld. Never did hear of his son Malcolm going at it physically with anyone, so guess that is a plus.
Hey, that's enough for me not to ever recommend Hyde to anyone. The message might be good, but the messengers are one scary group."
Yes Cardinal Law was removed to the Vatican which is a nation state, so that he would be beyond the reach of the legal arm of the Commonweath of Massachusetts (I have always loved that phase). One would hope that an institution that demands high personal standards would look inward to do the same.
Sexualality is a powerful force. The story of King David is an architype that we have seen repeated in the story of Bill Clinton. Bill's down fall was two fold:
He did not keep it in his pants
He lied about it.
It was the lying that got him in trouble.
Everyone has personal failings. It is how you deal with them that defines your charater. The down fall of David was more that he sent Uriah to his death, not just that he surcame to sexual desire of Bathsheba. We tend to remember the sex part of the Story of David, which says something about us.
The thing that bothers me about this story of Larry is not that he is an imperfect person but that Hyde did not live up to expectations for right action on the part of those who were agrieved.
Sidney Hodgson
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<Sydney>>
The current Director of Training for Teleflex, but I don't mean to suggest anything like what happened at Woodstock; just a funny tendency for him to spend a lot of time with the best looking female students.
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On 2006-03-18 05:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"One of you mentioned the name Cavalli. Isn't that a relation to the woman at Woodstock who married one of the fathers? Could this be the same flirtatious administrator who came to Hyde after a bad divorce and was intent on finding herself a rich guy?"
I don't know much about Cavalli's personal story. What I remember is that she was a fairly nice person most of the time who seemed to be under the Hyde spell. In seminar she talked like she bought the Gauld view of the world and wasn't willing to challenge the "word" handed down from on high. Of course, when I was at Hyde there were lots of groupies like that, staff who seemed to have a real hard thinking their own original thoughts and who depended on Gauld and Hyde to tell them how to treat everyone. Very scary. Sometimes Cavalli would get into the Hyde thing and talk to people like they were real little children who needed mommy to tell them what to do.
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On 2006-03-15 16:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This week we received a telephone call from parents who are trying to find an appropriate boarding school for their child. The mom explained to us that she "Googled" Hyde and found this website. She said that she and her husband had heard some very negative things about Hyde, but that finding this website and reading many of the postings REALLY scared them. They said they can't imagine sending their child to a school like Hyde, in light of all of the negative reports here. She said the positive comments were overshadowed by the many thoughtful criticisms. She also said their educational consultant doesn't recommend Hyde any longer.
Anyway, they're looking for suggestions. What other schools have people had good experiences with (their child is beginning to hang with the wrong crowd, is showing some signs of defiance, but isn't out of control)?
Thanks for your help."
My advice about helping parents find a good boarding school for their child: First, find other parents whose kids have struggled with similar issues and are in boarding schools. Second, find the names of educational consultants they've used and that they've had good experiences with. Third, contact these educational consultants, explain your situation. Fourth, ask the following key question: What do you think of the Hyde School. If the educational consultant says it's a school worth considering, look for another educational consultant. If the educational consultant expresses reservations about Hyde and says it's probably a good idea to look at alternatives to Hyde, continue talking. That's a very good sign. Any educational consultant who refers to Hyde either doesn't really know what goes on there or thinks like the Hyde cult. That's a very bad sign.
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"I really love Sumner. He was the brite spot of erudition in an otherwise intelectually dull landscape."
When he was sober.
"I include the Texan that used to strut in the student union spouting his opinions as fact, in the guise of a civics course."
Society may be in need of a new 12 Step group to address that particular form of inebriation: "Hi, I'm Eddie, and I'm addicted to the sound of my own voice." "Hi, Eddie!"
"Anyway "A violent physical or verbal attack." I don't think so. If that was violent what do you call what Joe did you he got in your face?"
The words "rage, "abuse," "tirade," "tantrum," and "outburst" come to mind, although the list is by no means exhaustive.
In fact, the following passage, written by the CIA's predecessor agency about another individual who had memorable rages, contains various details (e.g., biting objects, spittle, purple face) that might ring a bell for you [I have substituted the name of Joe for the name of the original subject]:
"Almost everyone who has written about [Joe Gauld] has commented on his rages. These are well known to all of his associates and they have learned to fear them. The descriptions of his behavior during these rages vary considerably. The more extreme descriptions claim that at the climax he rolls on the floor and chews on [substitute "tennis balls" for "the carpets"] ...
Even without this added touch of chewing [substitute "tennis balls" for "the carpet"], his behavior is still extremely violent and shows an utter lack of emotional control. In the worst rages he undoubtedly acts like a spoiled child who cannot have his own way and bangs his fists on the tables and walls. He scolds and shouts and stammers and on some occasions foaming saliva gathers in the corners of his mouth ...
"He was an alarming sight, his hair disheveled, his eyes fixed, and his face distorted and purple. I feared that he would collapse or have a stroke ...
"It must not be supposed, however, that these rages occur only when he is crossed on major issues. On the contrary, very insignificant matters might call out this reaction. In general they are brought on whenever anyone contradicts him, when there is unpleasant news for which he might feel responsible, when there is any skepticism concerning his judgment or when a situation arises in which his infallibility might be challenged or belittled. ... [A]mong his staff there is a tactic [sic] understanding: "For God's sake don't excite [Joe] - which means do not tell him bad news -- do not mention things which are not as he conceives them to be."
"Many writers believe that these rages are just play acting. There is much to be said for this point of view since [Joe's] first reaction to the unpleasant situation is not indignation, as one would ordinarily expect under these circumstances. He goes off into a rage or tirade without warning. Similarly, when he has finished, there is no aftermath. He immediately cools down and begins to talk about other matters in a perfectly calm tone of voice as though nothing had happened. Occasionally he will look around sheepishly, as if to see if anyone is laughing, and then proceeds with other matters, without the slightest trace of resentment.
"Some of his closest associates have felt that he induces these rages consciously to frighten those about him ... [a] technique by which he would throw his entire entourage into confusion by well-timed fits of rage and thus make them more submissive ...
"Rage and abuse became the favorite weapons in his armory ...
"This is not the time to enter into a detailed discussion concerning the nature and purpose of the rages. It is sufficient, for the present time, to realize that his associates are well aware that [Joe] can and does behave in this way. It is a part of the [Joe] they know and are forced to deal with. We may point out, however, that they are not conscious acting alone since it is quite impossible for an actor to actually become purple in the face unless he really is in an emotional state.
"... If we examine the causes of these outbursts, we almost invariably find that the trigger which sets them off is something which he considers to be a challenge of his super-man personality. It may be a contradiction, a criticism or even a doubt concerning the truth or wisdom of something he has said or done, or it might be a slight or the anticipation of opposition. Even though the subject may be trifling or the challenge only by implication, or even wholly imagined, he feels called upon to display his primitive character ... To contradict him is in his eyes a crime of 'lese-majeste'; opposition to his plans, from whatever it may come, is a definite sacrilege, to which the only reply is an immediate and striking display of his omnipotence.
"As soon as his display has served its purpose and cowed his listeners into submission, it is turned off as suddenly as it was turned on. How great is the insecurity which demands such constant vigilence and apprehension!
"... we must ferret out and seek to correct the underlying factors which produced the unwelcome phenomenon. We must discover the psychological streams which nourish this destructive state of mind in order that we may divert them into channels which will permit a further evolution of our form of civilization."
Source:
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/hit ... index.html (http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/hitler-adolf/oss-papers/text/profile-index.html)
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On 2006-03-19 17:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
""I really love Sumner. He was the brite spot of erudition in an otherwise intelectually dull landscape."
When he was sober.
"I include the Texan that used to strut in the student union spouting his opinions as fact, in the guise of a civics course."
Society may be in need of a new 12 Step group to address that particular form of inebriation: "Hi, I'm Eddie, and I'm addicted to the sound of my own voice." "Hi, Eddie!"
"Anyway "A violent physical or verbal attack." I don't think so. If that was violent what do you call what Joe did you he got in your face?"
The words "rage, "abuse," "tirade," "tantrum," and "outburst" come to mind, although the list is by no means exhaustive.
In fact, the following passage, written by the CIA's predecessor agency about another individual who had memorable rages, contains various details (e.g., biting objects, spittle, purple face) that might ring a bell for you [I have substituted the name of Joe for the name of the original subject]:
"Almost everyone who has written about [Joe Gauld] has commented on his rages. These are well known to all of his associates and they have learned to fear them. The descriptions of his behavior during these rages vary considerably. The more extreme descriptions claim that at the climax he rolls on the floor and chews on [substitute "tennis balls" for "the carpets"] ...
Even without this added touch of chewing [substitute "tennis balls" for "the carpet"], his behavior is still extremely violent and shows an utter lack of emotional control. In the worst rages he undoubtedly acts like a spoiled child who cannot have his own way and bangs his fists on the tables and walls. He scolds and shouts and stammers and on some occasions foaming saliva gathers in the corners of his mouth ...
"He was an alarming sight, his hair disheveled, his eyes fixed, and his face distorted and purple. I feared that he would collapse or have a stroke ...
"It must not be supposed, however, that these rages occur only when he is crossed on major issues. On the contrary, very insignificant matters might call out this reaction. In general they are brought on whenever anyone contradicts him, when there is unpleasant news for which he might feel responsible, when there is any skepticism concerning his judgment or when a situation arises in which his infallibility might be challenged or belittled. ... [A]mong his staff there is a tactic [sic] understanding: "For God's sake don't excite [Joe] - which means do not tell him bad news -- do not mention things which are not as he conceives them to be."
"Many writers believe that these rages are just play acting. There is much to be said for this point of view since [Joe's] first reaction to the unpleasant situation is not indignation, as one would ordinarily expect under these circumstances. He goes off into a rage or tirade without warning. Similarly, when he has finished, there is no aftermath. He immediately cools down and begins to talk about other matters in a perfectly calm tone of voice as though nothing had happened. Occasionally he will look around sheepishly, as if to see if anyone is laughing, and then proceeds with other matters, without the slightest trace of resentment.
"Some of his closest associates have felt that he induces these rages consciously to frighten those about him ... [a] technique by which he would throw his entire entourage into confusion by well-timed fits of rage and thus make them more submissive ...
"Rage and abuse became the favorite weapons in his armory ...
"This is not the time to enter into a detailed discussion concerning the nature and purpose of the rages. It is sufficient, for the present time, to realize that his associates are well aware that [Joe] can and does behave in this way. It is a part of the [Joe] they know and are forced to deal with. We may point out, however, that they are not conscious acting alone since it is quite impossible for an actor to actually become purple in the face unless he really is in an emotional state.
"... If we examine the causes of these outbursts, we almost invariably find that the trigger which sets them off is something which he considers to be a challenge of his super-man personality. It may be a contradiction, a criticism or even a doubt concerning the truth or wisdom of something he has said or done, or it might be a slight or the anticipation of opposition. Even though the subject may be trifling or the challenge only by implication, or even wholly imagined, he feels called upon to display his primitive character ... To contradict him is in his eyes a crime of 'lese-majeste'; opposition to his plans, from whatever it may come, is a definite sacrilege, to which the only reply is an immediate and striking display of his omnipotence.
"As soon as his display has served its purpose and cowed his listeners into submission, it is turned off as suddenly as it was turned on. How great is the insecurity which demands such constant vigilence and apprehension!
"... we must ferret out and seek to correct the underlying factors which produced the unwelcome phenomenon. We must discover the psychological streams which nourish this destructive state of mind in order that we may divert them into channels which will permit a further evolution of our form of civilization."
Source:
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/hit ... index.html (http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/hitler-adolf/oss-papers/text/profile-index.html)
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Wow, what a powerful, and frightening, comparison.
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Today's New York Times Magazine includes a powerful and astute article by the renowned James Traub on world conflict/peace. He's an impressive journalist. And, this is the very same James Traub who wrote a scathing critique of the Hyde School, referring to Hyde's cult-like qualities. I wonder what motivated Traub to investigate, write about, and expose Hyde. In any case, it's amazing to see that someone of Traub's caliber sees Hyde for what it is and has chosen to tell the world: http://www.educationnext.org/20051/22.html (http://www.educationnext.org/20051/22.html)
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On 2006-03-15 16:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This week we received a telephone call from parents who are trying to find an appropriate boarding school for their child. The mom explained to us that she "Googled" Hyde and found this website. She said that she and her husband had heard some very negative things about Hyde, but that finding this website and reading many of the postings REALLY scared them. They said they can't imagine sending their child to a school like Hyde, in light of all of the negative reports here. She said the positive comments were overshadowed by the many thoughtful criticisms. She also said their educational consultant doesn't recommend Hyde any longer.
Anyway, they're looking for suggestions. What other schools have people had good experiences with (their child is beginning to hang with the wrong crowd, is showing some signs of defiance, but isn't out of control)?
Thanks for your help."
I recommend you look at the Oliverian School in New Hampshire: http://www.oliverianschool.org/ (http://www.oliverianschool.org/)
This school focuses on some of the same kinds of kids who end up at Hyde. But the differences in approach are amazing. The approach at Oliverian seems to be so much more enlightened, helpful, supportive than Hyde's. Hyde can be so destructive for so many of its kids (and the parents). Schools like Oliverian take a radically different approach that makes so much more sense than Hyde's. You'll be amazed at the difference. There are other schools like this that are definitely worth visiting. These schools are like a field of tulips; for many people Hyde is like a toxic dump. Kids may continue to struggle at places like Oliverian, but the staff are so much more skilled at knowing what to do to help them. Unlike Hyde, they actually have serious training in how to deal with adolescents who are having a tough time. You won't see anything like that Gauld propaganda and brainwashing.
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On 2006-03-19 17:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
""I really love Sumner. He was the brite spot of erudition in an otherwise intelectually dull landscape."
When he was sober.
"I include the Texan that used to strut in the student union spouting his opinions as fact, in the guise of a civics course."
Society may be in need of a new 12 Step group to address that particular form of inebriation: "Hi, I'm Eddie, and I'm addicted to the sound of my own voice." "Hi, Eddie!"
"Anyway "A violent physical or verbal attack." I don't think so. If that was violent what do you call what Joe did you he got in your face?"
The words "rage, "abuse," "tirade," "tantrum," and "outburst" come to mind, although the list is by no means exhaustive.
In fact, the following passage, written by the CIA's predecessor agency about another individual who had memorable rages, contains various details (e.g., biting objects, spittle, purple face) that might ring a bell for you [I have substituted the name of Joe for the name of the original subject]:
"Almost everyone who has written about [Joe Gauld] has commented on his rages. These are well known to all of his associates and they have learned to fear them. The descriptions of his behavior during these rages vary considerably. The more extreme descriptions claim that at the climax he rolls on the floor and chews on [substitute "tennis balls" for "the carpets"] ...
Even without this added touch of chewing [substitute "tennis balls" for "the carpet"], his behavior is still extremely violent and shows an utter lack of emotional control. In the worst rages he undoubtedly acts like a spoiled child who cannot have his own way and bangs his fists on the tables and walls. He scolds and shouts and stammers and on some occasions foaming saliva gathers in the corners of his mouth ...
"He was an alarming sight, his hair disheveled, his eyes fixed, and his face distorted and purple. I feared that he would collapse or have a stroke ...
"It must not be supposed, however, that these rages occur only when he is crossed on major issues. On the contrary, very insignificant matters might call out this reaction. In general they are brought on whenever anyone contradicts him, when there is unpleasant news for which he might feel responsible, when there is any skepticism concerning his judgment or when a situation arises in which his infallibility might be challenged or belittled. ... [A]mong his staff there is a tactic [sic] understanding: "For God's sake don't excite [Joe] - which means do not tell him bad news -- do not mention things which are not as he conceives them to be."
"Many writers believe that these rages are just play acting. There is much to be said for this point of view since [Joe's] first reaction to the unpleasant situation is not indignation, as one would ordinarily expect under these circumstances. He goes off into a rage or tirade without warning. Similarly, when he has finished, there is no aftermath. He immediately cools down and begins to talk about other matters in a perfectly calm tone of voice as though nothing had happened. Occasionally he will look around sheepishly, as if to see if anyone is laughing, and then proceeds with other matters, without the slightest trace of resentment.
"Some of his closest associates have felt that he induces these rages consciously to frighten those about him ... [a] technique by which he would throw his entire entourage into confusion by well-timed fits of rage and thus make them more submissive ...
"Rage and abuse became the favorite weapons in his armory ...
"This is not the time to enter into a detailed discussion concerning the nature and purpose of the rages. It is sufficient, for the present time, to realize that his associates are well aware that [Joe] can and does behave in this way. It is a part of the [Joe] they know and are forced to deal with. We may point out, however, that they are not conscious acting alone since it is quite impossible for an actor to actually become purple in the face unless he really is in an emotional state.
"... If we examine the causes of these outbursts, we almost invariably find that the trigger which sets them off is something which he considers to be a challenge of his super-man personality. It may be a contradiction, a criticism or even a doubt concerning the truth or wisdom of something he has said or done, or it might be a slight or the anticipation of opposition. Even though the subject may be trifling or the challenge only by implication, or even wholly imagined, he feels called upon to display his primitive character ... To contradict him is in his eyes a crime of 'lese-majeste'; opposition to his plans, from whatever it may come, is a definite sacrilege, to which the only reply is an immediate and striking display of his omnipotence.
"As soon as his display has served its purpose and cowed his listeners into submission, it is turned off as suddenly as it was turned on. How great is the insecurity which demands such constant vigilence and apprehension!
"... we must ferret out and seek to correct the underlying factors which produced the unwelcome phenomenon. We must discover the psychological streams which nourish this destructive state of mind in order that we may divert them into channels which will permit a further evolution of our form of civilization."
Source:
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/hit ... index.html (http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/hitler-adolf/oss-papers/text/profile-index.html)
"
Dude! How come he never annexed bowdoin? I can remember him spitting on us collectively, on purpose. "you people smell like westbrook" He seems to be a little more crafty then Mr Shicklebruber or Napoleon. He has bounced back from his first defeat in the legg war and is " large and in charge" Worse then the tirades is the plaid and the comb over.. Some one should get him on "Queer eye for the straight guy"
Sumner was always witty even when he was stoned.
You want to talk perv, how high was Margo's mini skirt by the end of the America's spirit tour. Her Belly button? Ed loved a little chicken. He would sit up in the bacony and watch the dancers in thier danskins and then grab some "afternoon delite." His words.
Name withheld on request
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On 2006-03-18 08:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"<
Sydney>>
The current Director of Training for Teleflex, but I don't mean to suggest anything like what happened at Woodstock; just a funny tendency for him to spend a lot of time with the best looking female students."
What is a "Director of Training for Teleflex?"
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On 2006-03-20 04:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
"
On 2006-03-19 17:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
""I really love Sumner. He was the brite spot of erudition in an otherwise intelectually dull landscape."
When he was sober.
"I include the Texan that used to strut in the student union spouting his opinions as fact, in the guise of a civics course."
Society may be in need of a new 12 Step group to address that particular form of inebriation: "Hi, I'm Eddie, and I'm addicted to the sound of my own voice." "Hi, Eddie!"
"Anyway "A violent physical or verbal attack." I don't think so. If that was violent what do you call what Joe did you he got in your face?"
The words "rage, "abuse," "tirade," "tantrum," and "outburst" come to mind, although the list is by no means exhaustive.
In fact, the following passage, written by the CIA's predecessor agency about another individual who had memorable rages, contains various details (e.g., biting objects, spittle, purple face) that might ring a bell for you [I have substituted the name of Joe for the name of the original subject]:
"Almost everyone who has written about [Joe Gauld] has commented on his rages. These are well known to all of his associates and they have learned to fear them. The descriptions of his behavior during these rages vary considerably. The more extreme descriptions claim that at the climax he rolls on the floor and chews on [substitute "tennis balls" for "the carpets"] ...
Even without this added touch of chewing [substitute "tennis balls" for "the carpet"], his behavior is still extremely violent and shows an utter lack of emotional control. In the worst rages he undoubtedly acts like a spoiled child who cannot have his own way and bangs his fists on the tables and walls. He scolds and shouts and stammers and on some occasions foaming saliva gathers in the corners of his mouth ...
"He was an alarming sight, his hair disheveled, his eyes fixed, and his face distorted and purple. I feared that he would collapse or have a stroke ...
"It must not be supposed, however, that these rages occur only when he is crossed on major issues. On the contrary, very insignificant matters might call out this reaction. In general they are brought on whenever anyone contradicts him, when there is unpleasant news for which he might feel responsible, when there is any skepticism concerning his judgment or when a situation arises in which his infallibility might be challenged or belittled. ... [A]mong his staff there is a tactic [sic] understanding: "For God's sake don't excite [Joe] - which means do not tell him bad news -- do not mention things which are not as he conceives them to be."
"Many writers believe that these rages are just play acting. There is much to be said for this point of view since [Joe's] first reaction to the unpleasant situation is not indignation, as one would ordinarily expect under these circumstances. He goes off into a rage or tirade without warning. Similarly, when he has finished, there is no aftermath. He immediately cools down and begins to talk about other matters in a perfectly calm tone of voice as though nothing had happened. Occasionally he will look around sheepishly, as if to see if anyone is laughing, and then proceeds with other matters, without the slightest trace of resentment.
"Some of his closest associates have felt that he induces these rages consciously to frighten those about him ... [a] technique by which he would throw his entire entourage into confusion by well-timed fits of rage and thus make them more submissive ...
"Rage and abuse became the favorite weapons in his armory ...
"This is not the time to enter into a detailed discussion concerning the nature and purpose of the rages. It is sufficient, for the present time, to realize that his associates are well aware that [Joe] can and does behave in this way. It is a part of the [Joe] they know and are forced to deal with. We may point out, however, that they are not conscious acting alone since it is quite impossible for an actor to actually become purple in the face unless he really is in an emotional state.
"... If we examine the causes of these outbursts, we almost invariably find that the trigger which sets them off is something which he considers to be a challenge of his super-man personality. It may be a contradiction, a criticism or even a doubt concerning the truth or wisdom of something he has said or done, or it might be a slight or the anticipation of opposition. Even though the subject may be trifling or the challenge only by implication, or even wholly imagined, he feels called upon to display his primitive character ... To contradict him is in his eyes a crime of 'lese-majeste'; opposition to his plans, from whatever it may come, is a definite sacrilege, to which the only reply is an immediate and striking display of his omnipotence.
"As soon as his display has served its purpose and cowed his listeners into submission, it is turned off as suddenly as it was turned on. How great is the insecurity which demands such constant vigilence and apprehension!
"... we must ferret out and seek to correct the underlying factors which produced the unwelcome phenomenon. We must discover the psychological streams which nourish this destructive state of mind in order that we may divert them into channels which will permit a further evolution of our form of civilization."
Source:
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/hit ... index.html (http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/hitler-adolf/oss-papers/text/profile-index.html)
"
Dude! How come he never annexed bowdoin? I can remember him spitting on us collectively, on purpose. "you people smell like westbrook" He seems to be a little more crafty then Mr Shicklebruber or Napoleon. He has bounced back from his first defeat in the legg war and is " large and in charge" Worse then the tirades is the plaid and the comb over.. Some one should get him on "Queer eye for the straight guy"
Sumner was always witty even when he was stoned.
You want to talk perv, how high was Margo's mini skirt by the end of the America's spirit tour. Her Belly button? Ed loved a little chicken. He would sit up in the bacony and watch the dancers in thier danskins and then grab some "afternoon delite." His words.
Name withheld on request
"
I take back what I said about Texas Ed. His behaviour was boorish, not perverted. We were all standing around after a rehersal and he said "ya' know I like that song. (he starts singing) 'sky rockets in fight' but we can use it because of the subject matter" His wife Ann is sitting next to him. He turns to her and says, "speakin' of that . What you say we grab some afternoon delight?" We were non-plused, staff and students alike. It was the early afternoon. They walked together back to thier residence. I am emotionally scared to this day by the image implated in brain. (ROFL)
Margo's dress was about using sex to sell hyde. (IMHO) I would like to share this piece from Joni's later work, which was very fine and not recognized to the degree which it deserves:
http://www.lyricsdepot.com/joni-mitchell/sex-kills.html (http://www.lyricsdepot.com/joni-mitchell/sex-kills.html)
NWOR
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That would be Bobby B.
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On 2006-03-21 06:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"That would be Bobby B."
"B" like a tree with an "E"?
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YUP!
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On 2006-03-21 11:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
"YUP!"
Damn! I never noticed. I was not a pretty girl :sad:
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who wrote this about the annual fund---that former students, parents, etc. don't contribute financially to the school? i just googled a hyde person's name and saw all of these fornits postings, trashing hyde. i can't believe the lies. the majority of individuals who contribute to hyde are former students, parents, etc. the annual fund is strong and getting stronger if YOU READ THE REPORT and ARE INTERESTED IN THE TRUTH. where do you people find the time to trash life? get a life; it might take care of your harbored resentments and eventually help you to live longer, healthier lives. oi veh!
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On 2006-05-04 08:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"who wrote this about the annual fund---that former students, parents, etc. don't contribute financially to the school? i just googled a hyde person's name and saw all of these fornits postings, trashing hyde. i can't believe the lies. the majority of individuals who contribute to hyde are former students, parents, etc. the annual fund is strong and getting stronger if YOU READ THE REPORT and ARE INTERESTED IN THE TRUTH. where do you people find the time to trash life? get a life; it might take care of your harbored resentments and eventually help you to live longer, healthier lives. oi veh!"
I agree, mashugina goyim, the whole lot. I was saying the other day, "what! Don't these people have lives?" Oi veh min Gat! What's is the matter with them? Saying bad things about that nice Gault boy and his shiksa wife, who is going to run the school. Oy!
diann moshe
from my blackberry
at Wolfies in Miami Beach
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On 2006-05-04 09:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"
On 2006-05-04 08:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"who wrote this about the annual fund---that former students, parents, etc. don't contribute financially to the school? i just googled a hyde person's name and saw all of these fornits postings, trashing hyde. i can't believe the lies. the majority of individuals who contribute to hyde are former students, parents, etc. the annual fund is strong and getting stronger if YOU READ THE REPORT and ARE INTERESTED IN THE TRUTH. where do you people find the time to trash life? get a life; it might take care of your harbored resentments and eventually help you to live longer, healthier lives. oi veh!"
I agree, mashugina goyim, the whole lot. I was saying the other day, "what! Don't these people have lives?" Oi veh min Gat! What's is the matter with them? Saying bad things about that nice Gault boy and his shiksa wife, who is going to run the school. Oy!
diann moshe
from my blackberry
at Wolfies in Miami Beach"
I don't remember anyone saying that no one from the school contributes. I remember reading about how Hyde squeezes everything they can out of the parents.
I think it is very entertaining to read and post on this board. Cleans the soul and if one person can be saved from Hyde, then this board has done a lot of good.
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On 2006-05-04 16:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-04 09:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"
On 2006-05-04 08:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"who wrote this about the annual fund---that former students, parents, etc. don't contribute financially to the school? i just googled a hyde person's name and saw all of these fornits postings, trashing hyde. i can't believe the lies. the majority of individuals who contribute to hyde are former students, parents, etc. the annual fund is strong and getting stronger if YOU READ THE REPORT and ARE INTERESTED IN THE TRUTH. where do you people find the time to trash life? get a life; it might take care of your harbored resentments and eventually help you to live longer, healthier lives. oi veh!"
I agree, mashugina goyim, the whole lot. I was saying the other day, "what! Don't these people have lives?" Oi veh min Gat! What's is the matter with them? Saying bad things about that nice Gault boy and his shiksa wife, who is going to run the school. Oy!
diann moshe
from my blackberry
at Wolfies in Miami Beach"
I don't remember anyone saying that no one from the school contributes. I remember reading about how Hyde squeezes everything they can out of the parents.
I think it is very entertaining to read and post on this board. Cleans the soul and if one person can be saved from Hyde, then this board has done a lot of good."
Well bubby, our people are entertainers. If you are on Collins Ave stop in at Wolfie's and try the rubin. It is to die for! And let up on the gaults. Sure they get a little gelt for taking care of the mashusie kids of the bourgeoisie. What's the harm?
diann moshe
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ditto man thes people are rediculous you guys need to get a grip HYde is trying to help you when you cant help yourself!! And to the parents that read this and leave bad messages your just annoyed with hyde because the feedback you got was prolly true and you like to blame your kid for your own screw ups. plus my main jake above is right on. No school is perfect, stop bitching about the change you want, and do something. Parents no student likes hyde there first two years But in the end we all know this is what we needed. Peace slenderbobs
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On 2006-05-07 09:40:00, SLenders wrote:
"ditto man thes people are rediculous you guys need to get a grip HYde is trying to help you when you cant help yourself!! And to the parents that read this and leave bad messages your just annoyed with hyde because the feedback you got was prolly true and you like to blame your kid for your own screw ups. plus my main jake above is right on. No school is perfect, stop bitching about the change you want, and do something. Parents no student likes hyde there first two years But in the end we all know this is what we needed. Peace slenderbobs"
If nothing else, it is obvious from your posts that Hyde does not teach you how to spell or write! Are you going to dispute that Hyde's education is terrible? I think your posts prove me right! How old are you?
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ditto man thes people are rediculous you guys need to get a grip HYde is trying to help you when you cant help yourself!! And to the parents that read this and leave bad messages your just annoyed with hyde because the feedback you got was prolly true and you like to blame your kid for your own screw ups. plus my main jake above is right on. No school is perfect, stop bitching about the change you want, and do something. Parents no student likes hyde there first two years But in the end we all know this is what we needed. Peace slenderbobs
the change i want involves hyde in a smoldering pile of rubble, still want me to take action?
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On 2006-03-18 05:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-18 04:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-17 20:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
"2. Teacher/coach who specialized in developing close relationships with the best looking girls in the school, and coaching them about "Leadership" in one-on-one sessions in his office.
There is a website called Greatschools.net. Three people posted positive reviews about Hyde. If you have anything to say about Hyde either positive or negative, this is a good way to spread the word. http://www.greatschools.net (http://www.greatschools.net)
This is an easy one! Larry Dubinsky. Total pervert who the administrators protected until a parent finally sued. He should have been arrested, but instead the school told us girls, "you need to confront him and tell him how he makes you feel." oh yeah girls, let's tell Dubinsky that feeling us up to get his rocks off at practice makes us feel uncomfortable. I am sure he would have stopped if we let him know.......NOT!"
I am sorry to hear that. There is a natural tendency for institutions to circle the wagons in a case like this, to protect the mission. Catholicism and it adherents were the keepers of the knowledge of the golden age through the dark ages in europe. As a non catholic christian and former catholic, I acknowledge the role the Church had in preserving and spreading the Word of Christ. The church has existed for close to two millenia. The recent sex abuse charges against catholic clergy speak to failures both institutional and human but not to failure of the mission of the church to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ.
I would submit that if the assurtions you have made are true, the same is true of hyde. Hyde mission is not to molest pubesent girls any more then the Catholic Church's mission is to sodomize little boys. It is a human failure on the part of an individual and the people surronding that individual not a flaw in the fundemental mission.
How did you pick up the on the Time article if you went to woodstock? I was at that meeting in 76 and forgot all about it. I am tring to remember which andrew .... Mann Swartz? It is really funny (my apologies if Jim is reading this) being confronted by Jim was like encountering a toy poodle as a watch dog. He was really a sweet guy. His wife was a very nice and caring person too. I think her name was Joanna.
The guy that was scary was Paul Hurd. I had a chest Xray recently and the doctor asked how I got the indentations on my chest bone. Just kidding.
sydney"
I agree that Hyde's mission is not to molest, but the key question is, do you get rid of the molester and keep all the people who covered it up, or do you also get rid of the administrators who believed this was an acceptable way to run a place? If I am not mistaken the Catholic Church got rid of the head of the Church in Boston for the cover-ups, not strictly the molestors.
You wanted more names. I can add to the other ones. Ken Grant who physically attacked at least one girl that I know of, Don McMillan who has attacked at least one kid, and of course the in house pervert Dubinsky who loved to give back rubs to us in sports. Of course the other names were already brought up like the Prophet Joe Gauld. Never did hear of his son Malcolm going at it physically with anyone, so guess that is a plus.
Hey, that's enough for me not to ever recommend Hyde to anyone. The message might be good, but the messengers are one scary group."
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On 2006-03-18 04:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-17 20:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
"2. Teacher/coach who specialized in developing close relationships with the best looking girls in the school, and coaching them about "Leadership" in one-on-one sessions in his office.
This is an easy one! Larry Dubinsky. Total pervert who the administrators protected until a parent finally sued. He should have been arrested, but instead the school told us girls, "you need to confront him and tell him how he makes you feel." oh yeah girls, let's tell Dubinsky that feeling us up to get his rocks off at practice makes us feel uncomfortable. I am sure he would have stopped if we let him know.......NOT!"
I am sorry to hear that. There is a natural tendency for institutions to circle the wagons in a case like this, to protect the mission. Catholicism and it adherents were the keepers of the knowledge of the golden age through the dark ages in europe. As a non catholic christian and former catholic, I acknowledge the role the Church had in preserving and spreading the Word of Christ. The church has existed for close to two millenia. The recent sex abuse charges against catholic clergy speak to failures both institutional and human but not to failure of the mission of the church to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ.
I would submit that if the assurtions you have made are true, the same is true of hyde. Hyde mission is not to molest pubesent girls any more then the Catholic Church's mission is to sodomize little boys. It is a human failure on the part of an individual and the people surronding that individual not a flaw in the fundemental mission.
How did you pick up the on the Time article if you went to woodstock? I was at that meeting in 76 and forgot all about it. I am tring to remember which andrew .... Mann Swartz? It is really funny (my apologies if Jim is reading this) being confronted by Jim was like encountering a toy poodle as a watch dog. He was really a sweet guy. His wife was a very nice and caring person too. I think her name was Joanna.
The guy that was scary was Paul Hurd. I had a chest Xray recently and the doctor asked how I got the indentations on my chest bone. Just kidding.
sydney"
http://www.Greatschools.net (http://www.Greatschools.net)
Very good website to post your feelings about Hyde School!
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On 2006-05-09 11:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-18 05:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-18 04:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-17 20:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
"2. Teacher/coach who specialized in developing close relationships with the best looking girls in the school, and coaching them about "Leadership" in one-on-one sessions in his office.
There is a website called Greatschools.net. Three people posted positive reviews about Hyde. If you have anything to say about Hyde either positive or negative, this is a good way to spread the word. http://www.greatschools.net (http://www.greatschools.net)
This is an easy one! Larry Dubinsky. Total pervert who the administrators protected until a parent finally sued. He should have been arrested, but instead the school told us girls, "you need to confront him and tell him how he makes you feel." oh yeah girls, let's tell Dubinsky that feeling us up to get his rocks off at practice makes us feel uncomfortable. I am sure he would have stopped if we let him know.......NOT!"
I am sorry to hear that. There is a natural tendency for institutions to circle the wagons in a case like this, to protect the mission. Catholicism and it adherents were the keepers of the knowledge of the golden age through the dark ages in europe. As a non catholic christian and former catholic, I acknowledge the role the Church had in preserving and spreading the Word of Christ. The church has existed for close to two millenia. The recent sex abuse charges against catholic clergy speak to failures both institutional and human but not to failure of the mission of the church to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ.
I would submit that if the assurtions you have made are true, the same is true of hyde. Hyde mission is not to molest pubesent girls any more then the Catholic Church's mission is to sodomize little boys. It is a human failure on the part of an individual and the people surronding that individual not a flaw in the fundemental mission.
How did you pick up the on the Time article if you went to woodstock? I was at that meeting in 76 and forgot all about it. I am tring to remember which andrew .... Mann Swartz? It is really funny (my apologies if Jim is reading this) being confronted by Jim was like encountering a toy poodle as a watch dog. He was really a sweet guy. His wife was a very nice and caring person too. I think her name was Joanna.
The guy that was scary was Paul Hurd. I had a chest Xray recently and the doctor asked how I got the indentations on my chest bone. Just kidding.
sydney"
I agree that Hyde's mission is not to molest, but the key question is, do you get rid of the molester and keep all the people who covered it up, or do you also get rid of the administrators who believed this was an acceptable way to run a place? If I am not mistaken the Catholic Church got rid of the head of the Church in Boston for the cover-ups, not strictly the molestors.
You wanted more names. I can add to the other ones. Ken Grant who physically attacked at least one girl that I know of, Don McMillan who has attacked at least one kid, and of course the in house pervert Dubinsky who loved to give back rubs to us in sports. Of course the other names were already brought up like the Prophet Joe Gauld. Never did hear of his son Malcolm going at it physically with anyone, so guess that is a plus.
Hey, that's enough for me not to ever recommend Hyde to anyone. The message might be good, but the messengers are one scary group."
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What were the incidents involving Ken Grant and Don McMillan? What did they do?
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this is laughable.
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On 2006-03-19 06:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-15 16:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This week we received a telephone call from parents who are trying to find an appropriate boarding school for their child. The mom explained to us that she "Googled" Hyde and found this website. She said that she and her husband had heard some very negative things about Hyde, but that finding this website and reading many of the postings REALLY scared them. They said they can't imagine sending their child to a school like Hyde, in light of all of the negative reports here. She said the positive comments were overshadowed by the many thoughtful criticisms. She also said their educational consultant doesn't recommend Hyde any longer.
Anyway, they're looking for suggestions. What other schools have people had good experiences with (their child is beginning to hang with the wrong crowd, is showing some signs of defiance, but isn't out of control)?
Thanks for your help."
My advice about helping parents find a good boarding school for their child: First, find other parents whose kids have struggled with similar issues and are in boarding schools. Second, find the names of educational consultants they've used and that they've had good experiences with. Third, contact these educational consultants, explain your situation. Fourth, ask the following key question: What do you think of the Hyde School. If the educational consultant says it's a school worth considering, look for another educational consultant. If the educational consultant expresses reservations about Hyde and says it's probably a good idea to look at alternatives to Hyde, continue talking. That's a very good sign. Any educational consultant who refers to Hyde either doesn't really know what goes on there or thinks like the Hyde cult. That's a very bad sign."
This is very good advice. I agree with it completely. There are some educational consultants who refer kids to Hyde, but I bet they know very little about all the negative stuff that really happens to many of the kids at Hyde (not to mention their parents). If an educational consultant thinks Hyde is a good place, find out how much time they've really spent there and what they really know about what goes on behind closed doors (the confrontations with kids and parents, the mediocre education, the mind games). Hyde looks pretty good from the outside; from the inside it smells bad to lots of us who have been there. I'm willing to bet that many educational consultants have fallen for the slick Hyde public relations stuff. The most professional educational consultants who take the time to learn the inside scoop are likely to stay away from Hyde.
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most professional educational consultants who take the time to learn the inside scoop are likely to stay away
May we see the raw data on which you base your assurtion?
Eileen Leftly
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On 2006-05-20 13:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
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most professional educational consultants who take the time to learn the inside scoop are likely to stay away
May we see the raw data on which you base your assurtion?
Eileen Leftly"
I am not the person who wrote about the ed consultants, but I do know personally of two well known ones who won't refer kids to Hyde.
I would love to see someone dispute the fact that Hyde is a terrible school to get a good education! I will argue this point until the day I die. My parents were told that not only would I be educated in character, but that Hyde also had excellent teachers and programs. This is probably one of Hyde's biggest lies and I am an example of the poor educational system at Hyde School.
I am three years behind after trying everything I could to get into a good college. Oh yeah, I did the whole thing with Hyde by applying to every college on their list and of course I got into a community college. Hyde makes sure of this so that they can post their lies and false stats on their website and other media. Truth is, I was not ready for college with the poor study skills I learned at Hyde as well as the lax education. I worked it out on my own after graduating and going through some rough times and I am not saying Hyde caused my problems from childhood, but they did lie to my parents. This did cause me to falter because for the same money it cost my parents to send me to Hyde, they could have sent me to a good school that could have been more help to me. It isn't about "what you put into it, you will get out." This is all part of the bullshit cliches at Hyde and I am sick of hearing the same ones over and over again. Hyde need to get their act together and stop the lies!! Sure, blame it on the kids or blame it on the parents, but Hyde needs to take a better look at themselves. Most of those people that run Hyde are total loosers, and yes I do mean most!!
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On 2006-05-20 13:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
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most professional educational consultants who take the time to learn the inside scoop are likely to stay away
May we see the raw data on which you base your assurtion?
Eileen Leftly"
I suppose no one has raw data. That would require a full survey of educ consultants. For whatever it's worth, I personally know of 12 educational consultants (two that our family has worked with and others we've met through other parents or professional contacts) who absolutely refuse to refer kids to Hyde. Maybe that's not enough to satisfy you. I'd be willing to bet there are many more who won't refer to Hyde.
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Ed Consultants won't refer LD, addicts, emotionally struggling kids, but they will refer a certain kind of kid....ine was the same way.
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On 2006-05-21 04:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ed Consultants won't refer LD, addicts, emotionally struggling kids, but they will refer a certain kind of kid....ine was the same way."
Don't know what you mean by this. Ed Consults do refer kids with all of the above afflictions. This is why Hyde has different types of kids all mixed in together and why Hyde School does not work in MHO!! If Hyde did accept "a certain kind of kid" they would have a very small school with probably 1/8 of what it is now. The stats on those kids would be pretty good overall, but instead they accept kids who don't belong at a school like Hyde.
I want you to understand that when you place your child at a school like Hyde, they are going to be exposed to all kinds of elements some of which Hyde is not capable of handling. There will be many kids who will have a negative impact on your child. Hyde uses the term, "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree", inferring that it is the parents influence that has affected the child. Truth is it is all influences in a child's life, and if your child lives at Hyde for 2 or 3 years, they will also be influenced by the surroundings at Hyde.
Remember that the sweet, impressive kid who showed you around campus for the tour, is not typical of a Hyde student! Intead, ask to sit in on a "family weekend" or an "FLC" which is where individual parents go to Hyde alone for a weekend to work on themselves with their child. This is where you will get a geniune taste of Hyde!
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On 2006-05-21 04:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ed Consultants won't refer LD, addicts, emotionally struggling kids, but they will refer a certain kind of kid....ine was the same way."
Huh? Is this a typo? Are you saying ed consultants DON'T refer to Hyde kids with learning disorders, substance abuse issues, emotionally struggling kids? I've personally met many such kids at Hyde who got there by way of an educ consultant. The very sad reality is that some ed consultants don't seem to "get it" that Hyde is not equipped to handle these kids' special needs. That's exactly why so many kids at Hyde have a hard time there and why some parents pull their kids out of Hyde. They realize they've got a square peg-round hole problem.
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so many
There are three kinds of people: those who can count and those that can't. How many is "so many?"
Terri Klouthrobe
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On 2006-05-21 17:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
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so many
There are three kinds of people: those who can count and those that can't. How many is "so many?"
Terri Klouthrobe
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You want numbers? Drive up to Hyde's campuses on any random day. Ask about the number of kids on 2-4, those who have run from the school, those who were sent to outpost because they were having a hard time adjusting to Hyde, and those who drop out of Hyde. Anyone familiar with Hyde, and who's honest about what happens there, knows for a fact that lots of kids have a hard time adjusting to Hyde's model. That's a fact. If you want hard numbers, I suggest you ask Malcolm Gauld for an exact count. What are the chances you'll get full disclosure from him or anyone else at Hyde?
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Waaaaaaaaa
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I am a student at the Bath campus. I had a very similar experience to the father of the woodstock boy, I personally know him as well. Earlier this year I came to my dorm to find the girl who lived across the hall collapsed in the doorway of her room.I tried waking her but she was out cold. I rushed to the nurses station across the street and tried to express the emergency to the nurse on duty. She laughed and said I was exagerating the situation and refused to come and help. she wouldnt even let me use the phone to call Duty or an ambulance. I ended up calling the ambulance my self from my dorm phone and spending the next 5 hours in the hospital with the girl.
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On 2006-05-22 10:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I am a student at the Bath campus. I had a very similar experience to the father of the woodstock boy, I personally know him as well. Earlier this year I came to my dorm to find the girl who lived across the hall collapsed in the doorway of her room.I tried waking her but she was out cold. I rushed to the nurses station across the street and tried to express the emergency to the nurse on duty. She laughed and said I was exagerating the situation and refused to come and help. she wouldnt even let me use the phone to call Duty or an ambulance. I ended up calling the ambulance my self from my dorm phone and spending the next 5 hours in the hospital with the girl."
What a tragic story. Is this kind of mistrust of students typical at Hyde? Did anything happen as a result?
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On 2006-05-22 10:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I am a student at the Bath campus. I had a very similar experience to the father of the woodstock boy, I personally know him as well. Earlier this year I came to my dorm to find the girl who lived across the hall collapsed in the doorway of her room.I tried waking her but she was out cold. I rushed to the nurses station across the street and tried to express the emergency to the nurse on duty. She laughed and said I was exagerating the situation and refused to come and help. she wouldnt even let me use the phone to call Duty or an ambulance. I ended up calling the ambulance my self from my dorm phone and spending the next 5 hours in the hospital with the girl."
What was wrong with the girl? Who was the nurse who wouldn't take any action? I would love to know. I think this is awful!!! Is the girl still at the Hyde Bath campus?
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hey,
I will be there 6/3. I will count the students. Thanks for your suggestion.
Terri Klouthrobe
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On 2006-05-23 04:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"hey,
I will be there 6/3. I will count the students. Thanks for your suggestion.
Terri Klouthrobe "
Coming up with these numbers on graduation day doesn't exactly make a lot of sense. I'd pick a series of random days in the middle of the school year for a realistic estimate.
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Ah! so it is not a random sample of the 365 from the calendar. Like I said ... three kinds of people.
Since most americans don't bother to think about numbers( source
http://www.defectiveyeti.com/archives/000472.html (http://www.defectiveyeti.com/archives/000472.html))
you can just make things up. You can say "most" without counting, assert randomness when there is clearly some order etc, etc.
Terri Klouthtowel
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On 2006-05-23 06:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ah! so it is not a random sample of the 365 from the calendar. Like I said ... three kinds of people.
Since most americans don't bother to think about numbers( source
http://www.defectiveyeti.com/archives/000472.html (http://www.defectiveyeti.com/archives/000472.html))
you can just make things up. You can say "most" without counting, assert randomness when there is clearly some order etc, etc.
Terri Klouthtowel"
I gather your definition of random is to pick graduation day? Hmmm. Perhaps you should look up the word random in the dictionary.
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Hey I wrote the definition. If I can pick _any_ day and I happen to be there 6/3 then that should surfice since one day is a good as another if the distribution is random ( which it clearly is not and is exactly my point). Most people would now that.
But hey I will make a special five hour drive to Bath just to prove an assurtion you could not back up. Most people would not do that for you. Anyone will know that. Most people will agree.
Terri Klouthtowel
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that shut 'em up!!!
:nworthy:
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On 2006-05-23 09:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hey I wrote the definition. If I can pick _any_ day and I happen to be there 6/3 then that should surfice since one day is a good as another if the distribution is random ( which it clearly is not and is exactly my point). Most people would now that.
But hey I will make a special five hour drive to Bath just to prove an assurtion you could not back up. Most people would not do that for you. Anyone will know that. Most people will agree.
Terri Klouthtowel
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Are you for real Mr Klouthtowel? You come up with these ridiculous names and you change it with each post you write. Do you think this is cute? You obviously don't take this thread seriously!
There are people who truly want to get information about Hyde from this site. To infer that someone can get a good view of Hyde on graduation weekend is ignorant, but just keep typing away! Hopefully some people are smart and won't listen to your rhetoric!
What name are you going to sign on your next post? Does you think people will believe you are smart or do you just like to believe you are playing head games?
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On 2006-05-23 11:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-23 09:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hey I wrote the definition. If I can pick _any_ day and I happen to be there 6/3 then that should surfice since one day is a good as another if the distribution is random ( which it clearly is not and is exactly my point). Most people would now that.
But hey I will make a special five hour drive to Bath just to prove an assurtion you could not back up. Most people would not do that for you. Anyone will know that. Most people will agree.
Terri Klouthtowel
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Are you for real Mr Klouthtowel? You come up with these ridiculous names and you change it with each post you write. Do you think this is cute? You obviously don't take this thread seriously!
There are people who truly want to get information about Hyde from this site. To infer that someone can get a good view of Hyde on graduation weekend is ignorant, but just keep typing away! Hopefully some people are smart and won't listen to your rhetoric!
What name are you going to sign on your next post? Does you think people will believe you are smart or do you just like to believe you are playing head games?"
It's actually not a problem that this person posts his ridiculous comments (full of misspellings) defending Hyde. These posts show the world what you get when you send your kid to Hyde. These posts must be a nightmare for the public relations people at Hyde. If I were a parent looking for a school and read these posts I'd scratch Hyde off my list of possibilities.
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You do not have a name so how do I know who you are?
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On 2006-05-23 11:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-23 11:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-23 09:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hey I wrote the definition. If I can pick _any_ day and I happen to be there 6/3 then that should surfice since one day is a good as another if the distribution is random ( which it clearly is not and is exactly my point). Most people would now that.
But hey I will make a special five hour drive to Bath just to prove an assurtion you could not back up. Most people would not do that for you. Anyone will know that. Most people will agree.
Terri Klouthtowel
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Are you for real Mr Klouthtowel? You come up with these ridiculous names and you change it with each post you write. Do you think this is cute? You obviously don't take this thread seriously!
There are people who truly want to get information about Hyde from this site. To infer that someone can get a good view of Hyde on graduation weekend is ignorant, but just keep typing away! Hopefully some people are smart and won't listen to your rhetoric!
What name are you going to sign on your next post? Does you think people will believe you are smart or do you just like to believe you are playing head games?"
It's actually not a problem that this person posts his ridiculous comments (full of misspellings) defending Hyde. These posts show the world what you get when you send your kid to Hyde. These posts must be a nightmare for the public relations people at Hyde. If I were a parent looking for a school and read these posts I'd scratch Hyde off my list of possibilities."
Ah ... ad hominim attack and challenging my spelling. Challenging some ones spelling skills is such bad form on an internet board I will not even begin on that subject The fact is you made an assurtion you can not back up so you are changing the subject. I do not defend Hyde, I am just calling you out on your bullshit. When you make a claim based on numbers I want you to have some thing to base that claim on. You have nothing. If you when to hyde it would be a warning to potential students because you have no skills as a critical thinker and a damn poor rhetoritician.
Teri Klouthteacozy
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On 2006-05-23 11:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-23 09:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hey I wrote the definition. If I can pick _any_ day and I happen to be there 6/3 then that should surfice since one day is a good as another if the distribution is random ( which it clearly is not and is exactly my point). Most people would now that.
But hey I will make a special five hour drive to Bath just to prove an assurtion you could not back up. Most people would not do that for you. Anyone will know that. Most people will agree.
Terri Klouthtowel
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Are you for real Mr Klouthtowel? You come up with these ridiculous names and you change it with each post you write. Do you think this is cute? You obviously don't take this thread seriously!
There are people who truly want to get information about Hyde from this site. To infer that someone can get a good view of Hyde on graduation weekend is ignorant, but just keep typing away! Hopefully some people are smart and won't listen to your rhetoric!
What name are you going to sign on your next post? Does you think people will believe you are smart or do you just like to believe you are playing head games?"
You are a sexist pig. How dare you make assumptions about my gender.
Teri Klouthsweatband
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Dear Potential Parents of Hyde,
It is fine to read the posts and see what people have to say both positive and negative, but I strongly advise you do your homework before considering Hyde or any other program for that matter.
Hyde has it's believers and followers, however there are many people out there who distance themselves as much as possible from Hyde for many reasons.
My biggest concern is the standard of education and Hyde's lack of it. Many of Hyde's teachers lack the proper credentials that most "schools" would require. I suggest you ask specifics about the kind of teaching degrees their staff hold. You must be specific or you won't get a straight answer. While at Hyde a staff member bragged about going to Harvard only to find out he took a course there and got a certificate like you or I could do. I also have seen posts on this site that indicate the new Headmaster at Woodstock has little more than a B.A. This is highly unusual for a Headmaster.
Check out Hyde with eyes wide open and then make your decision based on the truth. Spend the time to find out what the truth is so that your child will not be cheated.
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On 2006-06-13 09:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Dear Potential Parents of Hyde,
It is fine to read the posts and see what people have to say both positive and negative, but I strongly advise you do your homework before considering Hyde or any other program for that matter.
Hyde has it's believers and followers, however there are many people out there who distance themselves as much as possible from Hyde for many reasons.
My biggest concern is the standard of education and Hyde's lack of it. Many of Hyde's teachers lack the proper credentials that most "schools" would require. I suggest you ask specifics about the kind of teaching degrees their staff hold. You must be specific or you won't get a straight answer. While at Hyde a staff member bragged about going to Harvard only to find out he took a course there and got a certificate like you or I could do. I also have seen posts on this site that indicate the new Headmaster at Woodstock has little more than a B.A. This is highly unusual for a Headmaster.
Check out Hyde with eyes wide open and then make your decision based on the truth. Spend the time to find out what the truth is so that your child will not be cheated."
Dear Potential Parents of Hyde
The post above was likely made by a someone who is in a locked ward and allowed to use the internet on odd nites as a reward for good behaviour. Hyde is a fine school.
Teri Klouthbathrobe
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On 2006-06-13 18:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-13 09:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Dear Potential Parents of Hyde,
It is fine to read the posts and see what people have to say both positive and negative, but I strongly advise you do your homework before considering Hyde or any other program for that matter.
Hyde has it's believers and followers, however there are many people out there who distance themselves as much as possible from Hyde for many reasons.
My biggest concern is the standard of education and Hyde's lack of it. Many of Hyde's teachers lack the proper credentials that most "schools" would require. I suggest you ask specifics about the kind of teaching degrees their staff hold. You must be specific or you won't get a straight answer. While at Hyde a staff member bragged about going to Harvard only to find out he took a course there and got a certificate like you or I could do. I also have seen posts on this site that indicate the new Headmaster at Woodstock has little more than a B.A. This is highly unusual for a Headmaster.
Check out Hyde with eyes wide open and then make your decision based on the truth. Spend the time to find out what the truth is so that your child will not be cheated."
Dear Potential Parents of Hyde
The post above was likely made by a someone who is in a locked ward and allowed to use the internet on odd nites as a reward for good behaviour. Hyde is a fine school.
Teri Klouthbathrobe"
I'm fascinated that the above critique of Hyde is thoughtful (feel free to agree or disagree) and the subsequent defense of Hyde (by so-called "Teri Klouthbathrobe") is insolent and snide. But this is what I've come to expect ever since I enrolled my child at Hyde. People who criticize Hyde typically are treated rudely and with disrespect. I can't imagine why any parent would willingly become involved with Hyde, a school that attracts this kind of immaturity and rudeness. I'm so sorry my child has been surrounded by this kind of behavior. We decided to leave Hyde because of this.
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On 2006-06-14 18:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-13 18:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-13 09:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Dear Potential Parents of Hyde,
It is fine to read the posts and see what people have to say both positive and negative, but I strongly advise you do your homework before considering Hyde or any other program for that matter.
Hyde has it's believers and followers, however there are many people out there who distance themselves as much as possible from Hyde for many reasons.
My biggest concern is the standard of education and Hyde's lack of it. Many of Hyde's teachers lack the proper credentials that most "schools" would require. I suggest you ask specifics about the kind of teaching degrees their staff hold. You must be specific or you won't get a straight answer. While at Hyde a staff member bragged about going to Harvard only to find out he took a course there and got a certificate like you or I could do. I also have seen posts on this site that indicate the new Headmaster at Woodstock has little more than a B.A. This is highly unusual for a Headmaster.
Check out Hyde with eyes wide open and then make your decision based on the truth. Spend the time to find out what the truth is so that your child will not be cheated."
Dear Potential Parents of Hyde
The post above was likely made by a someone who is in a locked ward and allowed to use the internet on odd nites as a reward for good behaviour. Hyde is a fine school.
Teri Klouthbathrobe"
I'm fascinated that the above critique of Hyde is thoughtful (feel free to agree or disagree) and the subsequent defense of Hyde (by so-called "Teri Klouthbathrobe") is insolent and snide. But this is what I've come to expect ever since I enrolled my child at Hyde. People who criticize Hyde typically are treated rudely and with disrespect. I can't imagine why any parent would willingly become involved with Hyde, a school that attracts this kind of immaturity and rudeness. I'm so sorry my child has been surrounded by this kind of behavior. We decided to leave Hyde because of this. "
I disagree. Your post is a canned tirade by person with a chip on their shoulder. Teri's reply was not snide.. It was saritical.
You can dish the critique but you can't take it AND you have a poor sense of humor. What qualifications do you have offer a critique anyway? Where did you get your MA in education? Some one should come to this board and read an anomymous post and make a judgement? You are dreaming girl. You are not even clever enough to make up a funny name.
Neil Loughjizham
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Speaking of Masters Degrees, how many teachers or staff at Hyde have one?
Interesting the way you assume this is a female posting. Aren't you the same guy who pretended to be a woman? I am more honest than you, boyfriend. I am the same gender as you!!
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On 2006-06-14 21:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Speaking of Masters Degrees, how many teachers or staff at Hyde have one?
Interesting the way you assume this is a female posting. Aren't you the same guy who pretended to be a woman? I am more honest than you, boyfriend. I am the same gender as you!!"
This is just the kind of snide and disrespectful response I have come to expect from Hyde critics.
Kneel Jung
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On 2006-06-14 21:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Speaking of Masters Degrees, how many teachers or staff at Hyde have one?
Interesting the way you assume this is a female posting. Aren't you the same guy who pretended to be a woman? I am more honest than you, boyfriend. I am the same gender as you!!"
Nearly 100% of all staff whose academic work includes post bachalauriate endevours have attained another degree beyond a BS or BA. Those who have not are a percentage less then 100% but by no means the totality of the staff. Please understand I am not employeed by any of the Hyde entities and the opinions expressed are my own and may not reflect those of Hyde either officially or ex officio. So simply put, summa quo summa.
Teri Klouthhotpants
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On 2006-06-15 05:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-14 21:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Speaking of Masters Degrees, how many teachers or staff at Hyde have one?
Interesting the way you assume this is a female posting. Aren't you the same guy who pretended to be a woman? I am more honest than you, boyfriend. I am the same gender as you!!"
Nearly 100% of all staff whose academic work includes post bachalauriate endevours have attained another degree beyond a BS or BA. Those who have not are a percentage less then 100% but by no means the totality of the staff. Please understand I am not employeed by any of the Hyde entities and the opinions expressed are my own and may not reflect those of Hyde either officially or ex officio. So simply put, summa quo summa.
Teri Klouthhotpants"
ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE! I don't know where this poster is getting his information, but to say almost 100% of the teachers at Hyde have another degree beyond a BA or BS is a big fat lie!
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On 2006-06-16 22:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-15 05:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-14 21:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Speaking of Masters Degrees, how many teachers or staff at Hyde have one?
Interesting the way you assume this is a female posting. Aren't you the same guy who pretended to be a woman? I am more honest than you, boyfriend. I am the same gender as you!!"
Nearly 100% of all staff whose academic work includes post bachalauriate endevours have attained another degree beyond a BS or BA. Those who have not are a percentage less then 100% but by no means the totality of the staff. Please understand I am not employeed by any of the Hyde entities and the opinions expressed are my own and may not reflect those of Hyde either officially or ex officio. So simply put, summa quo summa.
Teri Klouthhotpants"
ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE! I don't know where this poster is getting his information, but to say almost 100% of the teachers at Hyde have another degree beyond a BA or BS is a big fat lie!"
That is clearly not what teri said. Read the post again ... carefully.
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As a former Hyde student (and one who asked not to return to campus after a single year), I have first-hand experience with the Hyde education system. (In the interests of full disclosure, I was there in 1986, so things may have been different before and after my attendance.)
I have found this topic extremely interesting for a variety of reasons and I felt like responding to many of the accolades AND criticisms I've seen here.
First, I think it should be stated loudly and clearly that boarding schools, no matter where they are or what they profess to do, are NOT substitutes for attentive, "proper" parenting! Any parent who believes that they can simply drop off their student and pick up the "corrected" version on the way out, needs to wake up and realize that a school is NOT the place to make this transformation.
Second, if your student has problems that require any kind of formal counseling or medical attention, those also need to be dealt with in another venue. It is true that many of the students at Hyde have SIGNIFICANT substance abuse and/or psychological problems that have led to their attendance. Hyde (wrongly, IMHO) makes claims that they can fix these students with a series of attitude adjustments. But again, at the end of the day, I still believe that the parents do need to take responsibility and should look beyond a boarding school to do this type of treatment.
Third, boarding schools, wherever they are (and I've attended two plus many summer camps across the country) will always cast a wide net and bring in a variety of students. This means that as a parent, I want you to realize that your child is going to be exposed to MANY things that you might not expect. For example, I walked in on someone rolling a joint on my first night at Hyde. Granted, Hyde should do their part to control any kind of drug use on campus - but again, you have to remember that if there are kids there who have substance abuse problems, and unless it's a locked facility (which it isn't), then kids will get their hands on these substances.
Fourth, Hyde never promises world-class academics and they do not disappoint. Their teach staff is primarily recent college grads - many of whom were at Hyde during their HS career. Instead, Hyde promises the "Hyde Education" - character-based education... rightly or wrongly, this is what's provided. Again, parents need to understand this prior to sending their child to Hyde. Children are going to be punished while at Hyde. 2/4 has been there as long as I can remember... and I was on enough work crews scraping ice in the winter to vouch for the effectiveness of working in the cold rather than being in class in the warmth.
Fifth, Hyde DOES need to cycle out the "family". This, however, is not going to change in the near/long term future. Joe is still alive, Malcolm/Laura are still there, Laurie/Paul are still there... and their progeny are starting to get old enough to return as teachers. Yes, the Hyde inbreeding program is alive and well... and is a detriment to their overall success.
Sixth, and I can't stress this one strongly enough either, Hyde (nor any other program) can't EVER "fix" a student. The student has to want to fix themselves (excluding #2's issues as discussed above). Personally, I was an underachiever. I knew it, my parents knew it, my home town school guidance counselor knew it... as it every one of my friends. My downfall is that I test well (too damn competitive, I guess :smile: ). So my folks looked for a place that would not put up with my laziness. They found Hyde. Back then (as I think they still do now), they REQUIRE parent participation in the process to turn the student around - believing (rightly so this time, IMHO) that it's nature+nurture and that the nurture part is more responsible. My parents, on the other hand, didn't want to participate... so when I said I wasn't happy there... they didn't fight me to let me come home. But this was a failure on the part of my parents... and I did miss out, perhaps on learning lessons that I eventually had to learn elsewhere.
So... overall, Hyde isn't a perfect place... and it is NOT the right place for all students. Hyde, however, like any other boarding school, has financial issues to worry about, and they end up taking students that they shouldn't. When they can't serve those students, it's a tragedy for the student, the parents and Hyde. Both the parents and Hyde should've stopped it - but they don't - each for different reasons.
Parents who do not like Hyde usually do not like it because of the holistic environment - the responsibility of the entire family for the "treatment" of the student. Others do not like it because of the feeling of cultishness - which DOES exist - especially when you try to remove yourself (again, this is a sad feature of the place - and should probably be more reflective on the Gaulds' than on Hyde itself). And finally, a few others dislike it because of the stories they hear from their students (many of which are TRUE! ... but not all).
Students are almost the same. They dislike Hyde because Hyde administration doesn't have many of the restrictions as a state school (such as corporal-type punishment like 2/4). They also dislike Hyde because of the "Brother's Keeper" concept (which is basically the idea that if you see someone doing something wrong and don't report it, you're just as guilty as the wrongdoer). They feel that "narc'ing" on their friends is wrong and do not understand how this affects the community. Students also do not like the cultish feeling - as if they're being watched/monitored all of the time. And I personally didn't like it because I didn't have substance/psychological issues, yet everyone kept looking for me to have them.
All in all, Hyde is perfect and probably never can/will be. For the right student, at the right time, it might be a beneficial place. There are times when I think that Hyde would be better served if they simply taught family education courses on how to deal with children - and closed the schools themselves. I also hope that Hyde will one day realize the duality of their student population (those with purely "attitude" issues... vs those with medical/substance issues) and address those differences.
Until that time, I probably would not recommend anyone send a student there. Which is sad, because I do actually believe in the character education program... and I still try to live up to the five guiding principles of curiosity, courage, concern, leadership and integrity. One day, hopefully soon, Hyde will, too.
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I'm not asking you to out yourself, but were you there for the summer program in '86?
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No, I wasn't. I started a little before Thanksgiving and left at the end of that year (1986), so I guess I should've said that I was there from 11/1985 through 05/1986.
Oh, and btw, there are a few typos in my long post above... the only one that really matters at all is near the end, where it says that "Hyde is perfect..."
I meant, obviously, to say that "Hyde is NOT perfect..."
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On 2006-06-17 13:11:00, fletch699 wrote:
"As a former Hyde student (and one who asked not to return to campus after a single year), I have first-hand experience with the Hyde education system. (In the interests of full disclosure, I was there in 1986, so things may have been different before and after my attendance.)
I have found this topic extremely interesting for a variety of reasons and I felt like responding to many of the accolades AND criticisms I've seen here.
First, I think it should be stated loudly and clearly that boarding schools, no matter where they are or what they profess to do, are NOT substitutes for attentive, "proper" parenting! Any parent who believes that they can simply drop off their student and pick up the "corrected" version on the way out, needs to wake up and realize that a school is NOT the place to make this transformation.
Second, if your student has problems that require any kind of formal counseling or medical attention, those also need to be dealt with in another venue. It is true that many of the students at Hyde have SIGNIFICANT substance abuse and/or psychological problems that have led to their attendance. Hyde (wrongly, IMHO) makes claims that they can fix these students with a series of attitude adjustments. But again, at the end of the day, I still believe that the parents do need to take responsibility and should look beyond a boarding school to do this type of treatment.
Third, boarding schools, wherever they are (and I've attended two plus many summer camps across the country) will always cast a wide net and bring in a variety of students. This means that as a parent, I want you to realize that your child is going to be exposed to MANY things that you might not expect. For example, I walked in on someone rolling a joint on my first night at Hyde. Granted, Hyde should do their part to control any kind of drug use on campus - but again, you have to remember that if there are kids there who have substance abuse problems, and unless it's a locked facility (which it isn't), then kids will get their hands on these substances.
Fourth, Hyde never promises world-class academics and they do not disappoint. Their teach staff is primarily recent college grads - many of whom were at Hyde during their HS career. Instead, Hyde promises the "Hyde Education" - character-based education... rightly or wrongly, this is what's provided. Again, parents need to understand this prior to sending their child to Hyde. Children are going to be punished while at Hyde. 2/4 has been there as long as I can remember... and I was on enough work crews scraping ice in the winter to vouch for the effectiveness of working in the cold rather than being in class in the warmth.
Fifth, Hyde DOES need to cycle out the "family". This, however, is not going to change in the near/long term future. Joe is still alive, Malcolm/Laura are still there, Laurie/Paul are still there... and their progeny are starting to get old enough to return as teachers. Yes, the Hyde inbreeding program is alive and well... and is a detriment to their overall success.
Sixth, and I can't stress this one strongly enough either, Hyde (nor any other program) can't EVER "fix" a student. The student has to want to fix themselves (excluding #2's issues as discussed above). Personally, I was an underachiever. I knew it, my parents knew it, my home town school guidance counselor knew it... as it every one of my friends. My downfall is that I test well (too damn competitive, I guess :smile: ). So my folks looked for a place that would not put up with my laziness. They found Hyde. Back then (as I think they still do now), they REQUIRE parent participation in the process to turn the student around - believing (rightly so this time, IMHO) that it's nature+nurture and that the nurture part is more responsible. My parents, on the other hand, didn't want to participate... so when I said I wasn't happy there... they didn't fight me to let me come home. But this was a failure on the part of my parents... and I did miss out, perhaps on learning lessons that I eventually had to learn elsewhere.
So... overall, Hyde isn't a perfect place... and it is NOT the right place for all students. Hyde, however, like any other boarding school, has financial issues to worry about, and they end up taking students that they shouldn't. When they can't serve those students, it's a tragedy for the student, the parents and Hyde. Both the parents and Hyde should've stopped it - but they don't - each for different reasons.
Parents who do not like Hyde usually do not like it because of the holistic environment - the responsibility of the entire family for the "treatment" of the student. Others do not like it because of the feeling of cultishness - which DOES exist - especially when you try to remove yourself (again, this is a sad feature of the place - and should probably be more reflective on the Gaulds' than on Hyde itself). And finally, a few others dislike it because of the stories they hear from their students (many of which are TRUE! ... but not all).
Students are almost the same. They dislike Hyde because Hyde administration doesn't have many of the restrictions as a state school (such as corporal-type punishment like 2/4). They also dislike Hyde because of the "Brother's Keeper" concept (which is basically the idea that if you see someone doing something wrong and don't report it, you're just as guilty as the wrongdoer). They feel that "narc'ing" on their friends is wrong and do not understand how this affects the community. Students also do not like the cultish feeling - as if they're being watched/monitored all of the time. And I personally didn't like it because I didn't have substance/psychological issues, yet everyone kept looking for me to have them.
All in all, Hyde is perfect and probably never can/will be. For the right student, at the right time, it might be a beneficial place. There are times when I think that Hyde would be better served if they simply taught family education courses on how to deal with children - and closed the schools themselves. I also hope that Hyde will one day realize the duality of their student population (those with purely "attitude" issues... vs those with medical/substance issues) and address those differences.
Until that time, I probably would not recommend anyone send a student there. Which is sad, because I do actually believe in the character education program... and I still try to live up to the five guiding principles of curiosity, courage, concern, leadership and integrity. One day, hopefully soon, Hyde will, too."
I really appreciate all these insights about Hyde. Although our experiences at Hyde are nearly 20 years apart, your words very accurately describe my experience at Hyde 2 decades after years. Apparently little has changed. I think you've described Hyde perfectly. Although I saw Hyde help a small percentage of the students (mostly those who were simply not compliant at home), for most Hyde students it seemed to be the absolute wrong place. So many of the other students I got to know went to Hyde struggling with drug, alcohol, and other mental illness/health problems. It pained me to see how these kids limped through Hyde without getting the help they clearly needed.
You're so very right about how inferior Hyde's academic quality is. So many of the teachers were young and inexperienced, and many leave.
Also, your comments about the influence of "the family" (all the Gaulds and their relatives) is right on target. I now see how Hyde operates in its own little bubble and shuts out the rest of the world. I think that's why so many people there are unhappy and why so many students drop out before graduation. Somehow Joe Gauld's influence has lasted all this time and prevented Hyde from really living up to its potential. As you said, it would be nice to see Hyde really live up to the guiding principles of curiosity, courage, concern, leadership and integrity. The words sound great and look good on the walls at Hyde, but most of the time the school's staff didn't live up to them.
Thank you so much for contributing your thoughts. I only wish my family had seen words like yours before we made the mistake of going to Hyde.
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On 2006-06-17 13:11:00, fletch699 wrote:
"As a former Hyde student (and one who asked not to return to campus after a single year), I have first-hand experience with the Hyde education system. (In the interests of full disclosure, I was there in 1986, so things may have been different before and after my attendance.)
I have found this topic extremely interesting for a variety of reasons and I felt like responding to many of the accolades AND criticisms I've seen here.
First, I think it should be stated loudly and clearly that boarding schools, no matter where they are or what they profess to do, are NOT substitutes for attentive, "proper" parenting! Any parent who believes that they can simply drop off their student and pick up the "corrected" version on the way out, needs to wake up and realize that a school is NOT the place to make this transformation.
Second, if your student has problems that require any kind of formal counseling or medical attention, those also need to be dealt with in another venue. It is true that many of the students at Hyde have SIGNIFICANT substance abuse and/or psychological problems that have led to their attendance. Hyde (wrongly, IMHO) makes claims that they can fix these students with a series of attitude adjustments. But again, at the end of the day, I still believe that the parents do need to take responsibility and should look beyond a boarding school to do this type of treatment.
Third, boarding schools, wherever they are (and I've attended two plus many summer camps across the country) will always cast a wide net and bring in a variety of students. This means that as a parent, I want you to realize that your child is going to be exposed to MANY things that you might not expect. For example, I walked in on someone rolling a joint on my first night at Hyde. Granted, Hyde should do their part to control any kind of drug use on campus - but again, you have to remember that if there are kids there who have substance abuse problems, and unless it's a locked facility (which it isn't), then kids will get their hands on these substances.
Fourth, Hyde never promises world-class academics and they do not disappoint. Their teach staff is primarily recent college grads - many of whom were at Hyde during their HS career. Instead, Hyde promises the "Hyde Education" - character-based education... rightly or wrongly, this is what's provided. Again, parents need to understand this prior to sending their child to Hyde. Children are going to be punished while at Hyde. 2/4 has been there as long as I can remember... and I was on enough work crews scraping ice in the winter to vouch for the effectiveness of working in the cold rather than being in class in the warmth.
Fifth, Hyde DOES need to cycle out the "family". This, however, is not going to change in the near/long term future. Joe is still alive, Malcolm/Laura are still there, Laurie/Paul are still there... and their progeny are starting to get old enough to return as teachers. Yes, the Hyde inbreeding program is alive and well... and is a detriment to their overall success.
Sixth, and I can't stress this one strongly enough either, Hyde (nor any other program) can't EVER "fix" a student. The student has to want to fix themselves (excluding #2's issues as discussed above). Personally, I was an underachiever. I knew it, my parents knew it, my home town school guidance counselor knew it... as it every one of my friends. My downfall is that I test well (too damn competitive, I guess :smile: ). So my folks looked for a place that would not put up with my laziness. They found Hyde. Back then (as I think they still do now), they REQUIRE parent participation in the process to turn the student around - believing (rightly so this time, IMHO) that it's nature+nurture and that the nurture part is more responsible. My parents, on the other hand, didn't want to participate... so when I said I wasn't happy there... they didn't fight me to let me come home. But this was a failure on the part of my parents... and I did miss out, perhaps on learning lessons that I eventually had to learn elsewhere.
So... overall, Hyde isn't a perfect place... and it is NOT the right place for all students. Hyde, however, like any other boarding school, has financial issues to worry about, and they end up taking students that they shouldn't. When they can't serve those students, it's a tragedy for the student, the parents and Hyde. Both the parents and Hyde should've stopped it - but they don't - each for different reasons.
Parents who do not like Hyde usually do not like it because of the holistic environment - the responsibility of the entire family for the "treatment" of the student. Others do not like it because of the feeling of cultishness - which DOES exist - especially when you try to remove yourself (again, this is a sad feature of the place - and should probably be more reflective on the Gaulds' than on Hyde itself). And finally, a few others dislike it because of the stories they hear from their students (many of which are TRUE! ... but not all).
Students are almost the same. They dislike Hyde because Hyde administration doesn't have many of the restrictions as a state school (such as corporal-type punishment like 2/4). They also dislike Hyde because of the "Brother's Keeper" concept (which is basically the idea that if you see someone doing something wrong and don't report it, you're just as guilty as the wrongdoer). They feel that "narc'ing" on their friends is wrong and do not understand how this affects the community. Students also do not like the cultish feeling - as if they're being watched/monitored all of the time. And I personally didn't like it because I didn't have substance/psychological issues, yet everyone kept looking for me to have them.
All in all, Hyde is perfect and probably never can/will be. For the right student, at the right time, it might be a beneficial place. There are times when I think that Hyde would be better served if they simply taught family education courses on how to deal with children - and closed the schools themselves. I also hope that Hyde will one day realize the duality of their student population (those with purely "attitude" issues... vs those with medical/substance issues) and address those differences.
Until that time, I probably would not recommend anyone send a student there. Which is sad, because I do actually believe in the character education program... and I still try to live up to the five guiding principles of curiosity, courage, concern, leadership and integrity. One day, hopefully soon, Hyde will, too."
Fletch,
You have given the most accurate, and honest description of Hyde. I truly appreciate your words. I ditto 100% of what you have said and would like to add one more thing.
In addition to all you have pointed out, I believe Hyde School can be a dangerous place because of the attitude that exists with the staff and the Joe Gauld clan.
Thank you again for the refreshing post. Probably the best post on this board!
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On 2006-06-18 18:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-17 13:11:00, fletch699 wrote:
"As a former Hyde student (and one who asked not to return to campus after a single year), I have first-hand experience with the Hyde education system. (In the interests of full disclosure, I was there in 1986, so things may have been different before and after my attendance.)
I have found this topic extremely interesting for a variety of reasons and I felt like responding to many of the accolades AND criticisms I've seen here.
First, I think it should be stated loudly and clearly that boarding schools, no matter where they are or what they profess to do, are NOT substitutes for attentive, "proper" parenting! Any parent who believes that they can simply drop off their student and pick up the "corrected" version on the way out, needs to wake up and realize that a school is NOT the place to make this transformation.
Second, if your student has problems that require any kind of formal counseling or medical attention, those also need to be dealt with in another venue. It is true that many of the students at Hyde have SIGNIFICANT substance abuse and/or psychological problems that have led to their attendance. Hyde (wrongly, IMHO) makes claims that they can fix these students with a series of attitude adjustments. But again, at the end of the day, I still believe that the parents do need to take responsibility and should look beyond a boarding school to do this type of treatment.
Third, boarding schools, wherever they are (and I've attended two plus many summer camps across the country) will always cast a wide net and bring in a variety of students. This means that as a parent, I want you to realize that your child is going to be exposed to MANY things that you might not expect. For example, I walked in on someone rolling a joint on my first night at Hyde. Granted, Hyde should do their part to control any kind of drug use on campus - but again, you have to remember that if there are kids there who have substance abuse problems, and unless it's a locked facility (which it isn't), then kids will get their hands on these substances.
Fourth, Hyde never promises world-class academics and they do not disappoint. Their teach staff is primarily recent college grads - many of whom were at Hyde during their HS career. Instead, Hyde promises the "Hyde Education" - character-based education... rightly or wrongly, this is what's provided. Again, parents need to understand this prior to sending their child to Hyde. Children are going to be punished while at Hyde. 2/4 has been there as long as I can remember... and I was on enough work crews scraping ice in the winter to vouch for the effectiveness of working in the cold rather than being in class in the warmth.
Fifth, Hyde DOES need to cycle out the "family". This, however, is not going to change in the near/long term future. Joe is still alive, Malcolm/Laura are still there, Laurie/Paul are still there... and their progeny are starting to get old enough to return as teachers. Yes, the Hyde inbreeding program is alive and well... and is a detriment to their overall success.
Sixth, and I can't stress this one strongly enough either, Hyde (nor any other program) can't EVER "fix" a student. The student has to want to fix themselves (excluding #2's issues as discussed above). Personally, I was an underachiever. I knew it, my parents knew it, my home town school guidance counselor knew it... as it every one of my friends. My downfall is that I test well (too damn competitive, I guess :smile: ). So my folks looked for a place that would not put up with my laziness. They found Hyde. Back then (as I think they still do now), they REQUIRE parent participation in the process to turn the student around - believing (rightly so this time, IMHO) that it's nature+nurture and that the nurture part is more responsible. My parents, on the other hand, didn't want to participate... so when I said I wasn't happy there... they didn't fight me to let me come home. But this was a failure on the part of my parents... and I did miss out, perhaps on learning lessons that I eventually had to learn elsewhere.
So... overall, Hyde isn't a perfect place... and it is NOT the right place for all students. Hyde, however, like any other boarding school, has financial issues to worry about, and they end up taking students that they shouldn't. When they can't serve those students, it's a tragedy for the student, the parents and Hyde. Both the parents and Hyde should've stopped it - but they don't - each for different reasons.
Parents who do not like Hyde usually do not like it because of the holistic environment - the responsibility of the entire family for the "treatment" of the student. Others do not like it because of the feeling of cultishness - which DOES exist - especially when you try to remove yourself (again, this is a sad feature of the place - and should probably be more reflective on the Gaulds' than on Hyde itself). And finally, a few others dislike it because of the stories they hear from their students (many of which are TRUE! ... but not all).
Students are almost the same. They dislike Hyde because Hyde administration doesn't have many of the restrictions as a state school (such as corporal-type punishment like 2/4). They also dislike Hyde because of the "Brother's Keeper" concept (which is basically the idea that if you see someone doing something wrong and don't report it, you're just as guilty as the wrongdoer). They feel that "narc'ing" on their friends is wrong and do not understand how this affects the community. Students also do not like the cultish feeling - as if they're being watched/monitored all of the time. And I personally didn't like it because I didn't have substance/psychological issues, yet everyone kept looking for me to have them.
All in all, Hyde is perfect and probably never can/will be. For the right student, at the right time, it might be a beneficial place. There are times when I think that Hyde would be better served if they simply taught family education courses on how to deal with children - and closed the schools themselves. I also hope that Hyde will one day realize the duality of their student population (those with purely "attitude" issues... vs those with medical/substance issues) and address those differences.
Until that time, I probably would not recommend anyone send a student there. Which is sad, because I do actually believe in the character education program... and I still try to live up to the five guiding principles of curiosity, courage, concern, leadership and integrity. One day, hopefully soon, Hyde will, too."
Fletch,
You have given the most accurate, and honest description of Hyde. I truly appreciate your words. I ditto 100% of what you have said and would like to add one more thing.
In addition to all you have pointed out, I believe Hyde School can be a dangerous place because of the attitude that exists with the staff and the Joe Gauld clan.
Thank you again for the refreshing post. Probably the best post on this board! "
I agree, Fletch. You've confirmed what many of us have suspected about Hyde. The fact that your experience is so similar to the experiences of those of us who have been involved with Hyde more recently is amazing and, for me, very depressing. The negative aspects of Hyde are obviously so deeply ingrained in the place. I can't imagine it will ever change so long as the Gauld clan is in charge. One major thing that is different is that now this website exists. Unlike when you went to Hyde, parents who are considering the school have a way to find out lots of information from these posts. Even though there are too many annoying and sophomoric posts, this website also includes many helpful and informative disclosures about how bad Hyde is for many (most?) of its students.
Thanks.
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Problem is, this website doesn't have enough links to it. What has happened is that when you "google" Hyde, Fornits doesn't come up until long after all the public relations garbage from Hyde is displayed. For all you savy computer geeks, maybe you can help. I think it is important that the public be able to see both the positive PR posts for Hyde as well as the negative posts.
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Well... I don't know how to respond. I'm grateful that many people believe that I've been able to summarize Hyde in the most succinct and accurate manner done til now. On the other hand, I'm disappointed to hear that 21 years later, things haven't changed.
This leads me to the conclusion that it's the familial ownership of Hyde that is causing the problem(s) - the fact that if your top leadership in an organization never changes, the organization won't change either. And, as I've said elsewhere, that's depressing.
It's mostly depressing, however, because there are good kids out there that really need the help that Hyde advertises. There are parents out there struggling to find a school (or other form of education) to help their child. And in 2006, as it was in 1986 (and from Tommy, 1976), Hyde is not that place.
So... let's see if we can't do something to help those parents and students.
First - prospective parents. If your student has drug and/or alchohol problems, please get them proper TREATMENT. This is NOT school, NOT education. I want you to get them off the substance they're abusing and I want you to do it NOW. Interventions are for adults. As a parent, I want you to take control and help you child deal with their problem. Which might mean institutionalizing them for a short time in a detox facility to get them clean.
It probably also means that I want you to find the root cause to the substance abuse problem. This is going to require therapy. Psychological help from a trained mental health professional who has EXTENSIVE experience in substance abuse issues. Oh, and it also means that you might need to participate in those sessions, too, to find out if YOUR behavior is a contributing factor... and then YOU will need to change, too.
The same is true if your child has some other sort of psychological problem. Hyde is NOT the right place, and I want you to find treatment that is. ADHD is now the popular diagnosis. I want you to find a second (and maybe a third) opinion on this. ADHD is a real problem for many people, but it's not as prevalent as some doctors make it appear to be. Which means that you might have to go the extra mile to find a specialist that is willing to tell you that your child DOES NOT have ADHD (or whatever other "drugable" disease is currently popular) so that you can be sure that you're treating the real problem (which may be ADHD).
If your child, however, is simply lazy, find them a place that won't accept laziness and has a 24 hour structure to encourage proper time management. (If you don't know - look to their standardized test scores or IQ test results like my folks did... we are usually easy to identify in that everyone knows that we're smart... but we're still getting generally bad grades.) Personally, I spent 2 years after Hyde at a military school. It was probably a great thing for me in terms of structure. I took the responsibility lesson from Hyde, combined it with the structure from military school ... and went back to my home high school and finished my last 2 years with almost straight A's.
But if boarding school isn't the answer you want, then you're going to have to get VERY involved in their lives. I want you to be home when they get home (which isn't possible for many parents who work full time jobs). I want you to know about their classes, their homework, their study habits, their free time activities, their friends/social lives, and, most importantly, I want you to spend enough time with them to help them realize how much you care about them... and that this isn't a trivial attempt to "get to know them." As children, they can see right through that.
Second, if you're a student (current, former, prospective): You have a few choices at this point in your lives, depending on what your status is and what your "issue" might be. If you are a prospective/current student and you have psychological or substance issues... and have the ability to admit to them, go get the help that you really need from a trained professional. Ask your parents for the help NOW. If they don't have the ability or wherewithall to help you, seek help from your school's guidance counselor. Or... if you're scared of that, look online or in your phonebook for the address and phone number of your county's Mental Health Services (Behavioral Services). Almost every county in every state has one... and they have trained professionals there to help you or get you the help you need. The key is being able to identify that you yourself actually need the help.
I would like to be able to say that current students should also be able to have frank conversations with their parents about their feelings, their problems and the possible solutions. Unfortunately, I know first hand, that had I told my parents that Hyde was not the right place for me before they had the chance to experience a Parent's Weekend (hehe... you should see the look on my parents' face during parents weekend... if you have my year's yearbook, you can!), I would've been met with resistance. So, I'm not saying that you should bash Hyde to your parents. What you CAN do, however, is get the REAL help in addition to Hyde. Take the responsibility for your behavior now, on your own. Hyde wants character development... this is your chance.
If you're a former student from Hyde, you might also need professional counselling to help you cope with your experiences. This board is a great starting place from where you can spring into more healthy feelings overall. Carrying animosity about a boarding school around with you for the rest of your life isn't going to help you. This doesn't condone Hyde's actions towards you... it's just a recognition that they no longer have any actual control over you and that I want you to deal with your feelings before something worse may happen.
Overall, parents and students BOTH need to take responsibility for the behaviors of their children, since they are children, and may not know with certainty what the proper course of action needs to be in a given situation. I want you to honestly (and sometimes emotionally) address EACH and EVERY issue the child AND FAMILY currently has. If you are ALL willing to do this, you can work together to find the right solution (which, again, unfortunately won't be Hyde, even if it's just laziness on the part of the child).
But it's hard work. And it takes time and effort, and yes, sometimes money. And it sucks. It sucks because everyone (parents and children) would love to believe that they're OK, and that their family is OK. And who knows? You might be more OK than you originally believed. But only through experienced professional therapy/treatment can you really discover this.
Again, I should know. I've been through it all. My parents sent ME to therapy to be fixed. Then they sent ME to Hyde to be fixed. Then send ME to military school to be fixed. And I was lucky. I figured out some of my problems on my own and was able to become successful in school.
Almost 20 years later, and after the death of a parent, was I able to finally have the right conversations with the remaining parent. A tearful, heartfelt, happy/sad conversation that allowed the first REAL progress in our family. But what made it most upsetting to me was that it took so long, because we didn't get the right help back when I was really struggling. My folks shoved me down all of the various rabbit holes and I never found the rabbit.
You don't have to struggle this way. And, would my problems have been of a substance abuse or psychological nature, they would've NEVER been resolved this way.
So please, use my story as an example. Identify the true issues. Realize that the whole family is involved (which again, is something that Hyde actually gets right). Treat the problems. Enjoy the success(es)!
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So you are one of the guys Joe gave the boot to. No wonder you are bitter
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Hey Fletch,
I enjoyed reading the unbiased posts of your first couple visits, but they are beginning to scew towards the neg...
It seems like the Fornits Koolaid is starting to take it's toll on you.
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Nope... not negative at all.
In fact, I think I'm relatively balanced. I have learned to take Hyde for what it is/was/will be. And overall, it's not the place it purports to be.
As a result, it is not the right place for most people. And because it's not the right place for most people, the people who it COULD be the right place for also lose out and don't get the help they need.
So, until Hyde corrects this problem (and my unfortunate guess is that they can't without significant leadership turmoil), Hyde won't be the right place for anyone.
This doesn't make me negative about Hyde. Hyde has a desire to be a good place for a certain type of student. Economics, leadership and other factors have a significant impact on their ability to succesfully meet this desire. My sincere hope is that they will evetually get there and if the opportunity arose for me to have an positive change effect upon Hyde, I would take it.... because students like what I used to be need a place to get help.
But parents and students need help NOW. They can't necessarily wait for Hyde to change. So from a purely pragmatic point of view, they need to find something that is functional and not potentially additionally harmful. Sorry if that appears negative towards Hyde. It's really not meant to be.
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So you are one of the guys Joe gave the boot to. No wonder you are bitter
Nope. As I said before, I asked my parents not to send me back and since they didn't want to be part of the holistic approach, they agreed.
Joe, in fact, told my parents that they were making a huge mistake in not sending me back to Hyde for the rest of my HS education.
I'm not bitter at all. I remember my Hyde experience with a combination of happiness AND sadness. I hated being forced to participate in team sports... but I loved dory building. I hated 2/4... but I loved help John Braun in the kitchen. I hated being "schooled" by Joe in a game of tic-tac-toe in my interview... but I loved the encouragement of "brutal honesty."
And to be brutally honest is to state that Hyde isn't what it needs to be to accomplish their goals/promises/etc.
Again, if that appears bitter, then so be it, I suppose. But I will always remember the fun that I had - the people that I met - and the life lessons that have served me very well.
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On 2006-06-19 06:54:00, fletch699 wrote:
"So you are one of the guys Joe gave the boot to. No wonder you are bitter
Nope. As I said before, I asked my parents not to send me back and since they didn't want to be part of the holistic approach, they agreed.
Joe, in fact, told my parents that they were making a huge mistake in not sending me back to Hyde for the rest of my HS education.
I'm not bitter at all. I remember my Hyde experience with a combination of happiness AND sadness. I hated being forced to participate in team sports... but I loved dory building. I hated 2/4... but I loved help John Braun in the kitchen. I hated being "schooled" by Joe in a game of tic-tac-toe in my interview... but I loved the encouragement of "brutal honesty."
And to be brutally honest is to state that Hyde isn't what it needs to be to accomplish their goals/promises/etc.
Again, if that appears bitter, then so be it, I suppose. But I will always remember the fun that I had - the people that I met - and the life lessons that have served me very well."
I saw that dory. It was very nice.
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I saw that dory. It was very nice.
Really? I never saw it completed. We were working on the hull with Ken Grant... I never knew what happened to it after I left.
I figured they were going to build a fleet of them - anyone else participate in dory building?
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On 2006-06-19 07:21:00, fletch699 wrote:
"I saw that dory. It was very nice.
Really? I never saw it completed. We were working on the hull with Ken Grant... I never knew what happened to it after I left.
I figured they were going to build a fleet of them - anyone else participate in dory building?"
It was out on display in the SU. I stopped by on the way to my summer place in Phippsburg, and saw it there. I do not know any of the details. I was a nice piece odf wood working.
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How long ago was that? I want to see it... :smile:
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Mid to late eighties
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Dang. Probably destroyed by now. :cry:
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On 2006-06-19 07:21:00, fletch699 wrote:
"I saw that dory. It was very nice.
Really? I never saw it completed. We were working on the hull with Ken Grant... I never knew what happened to it after I left.
I figured they were going to build a fleet of them - anyone else participate in dory building?"
Speaking of Ken Grant, there's another loser in the pack! How many jobs has he had in the last 5 years? Do they keep him around because of his wife Claire? When has any of this family ever grown up and gotten a real job? It is one sick family who all live off of us and our parents who are too naive to see what they got us all into! The money is much better spent on family counseling at home. Most people realize this when they have already thrown $50,000 down the drain.
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On 2006-06-20 14:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-19 07:21:00, fletch699 wrote:
"I saw that dory. It was very nice.
Really? I never saw it completed. We were working on the hull with Ken Grant... I never knew what happened to it after I left.
I figured they were going to build a fleet of them - anyone else participate in dory building?"
Speaking of Ken Grant, there's another loser in the pack! How many jobs has he had in the last 5 years? Do they keep him around because of his wife Claire? When has any of this family ever grown up and gotten a real job? It is one sick family who all live off of us and our parents who are too naive to see what they got us all into! The money is much better spent on family counseling at home. Most people realize this when they have already thrown $50,000 down the drain."
Ditto.
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On 2006-06-19 06:54:00, fletch699 wrote:
"So you are one of the guys Joe gave the boot to. No wonder you are bitter
Nope. As I said before, I asked my parents not to send me back and since they didn't want to be part of the holistic approach, they agreed.
Joe, in fact, told my parents that they were making a huge mistake in not sending me back to Hyde for the rest of my HS education.
I'm not bitter at all. I remember my Hyde experience with a combination of happiness AND sadness. I hated being forced to participate in team sports... but I loved dory building. I hated 2/4... but I loved help John Braun in the kitchen. I hated being "schooled" by Joe in a game of tic-tac-toe in my interview... but I loved the encouragement of "brutal honesty."
And to be brutally honest is to state that Hyde isn't what it needs to be to accomplish their goals/promises/etc.
Again, if that appears bitter, then so be it, I suppose. But I will always remember the fun that I had - the people that I met - and the life lessons that have served me very well."
You have said it well: "And to be brutally honest is to state that Hyde isn't what it needs to be to accomplish their goals/promises/etc."
What I have figured out about Hyde is that it's really good at creating an impression of its commitment to honesty, integrity and character. But now that I've been around Hyde long enough to dig beneath its surface, it's obvious to me that Hyde is very good at creating a false image and that the school does not consistently live up to its publicity or rhetoric. Hyde reminds me of a politician that stands in front of an audience and sounds polished, committed, and dedicated, and when the lights and microphone are off he lives a life full of hypocrisy and contradiction (accepting bribes, philandering, cutting deals). The politician may do some good in the world, but it's overshadowed by his duplicity. The public image and the hypocritical private life are in the same person.
I often hear Hyde staff tell students and parents that need to avoid creating false images through their dress, behavior and attitudes. It's the ultimate irony that Hyde does exactly that; it creates and survives based on a false image of its real self.
Hyde sounds great when the lights and microphone are on. But when you get a glimpse of who really works there and runs the place, and the way the school operates, you can't help but feel duped. Hyde is like the politician who needs to be run out of office for misrepresentation and fraud.
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On 2006-06-24 06:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-19 06:54:00, fletch699 wrote:
"So you are one of the guys Joe gave the boot to. No wonder you are bitter
Nope. As I said before, I asked my parents not to send me back and since they didn't want to be part of the holistic approach, they agreed.
Joe, in fact, told my parents that they were making a huge mistake in not sending me back to Hyde for the rest of my HS education.
I'm not bitter at all. I remember my Hyde experience with a combination of happiness AND sadness. I hated being forced to participate in team sports... but I loved dory building. I hated 2/4... but I loved help John Braun in the kitchen. I hated being "schooled" by Joe in a game of tic-tac-toe in my interview... but I loved the encouragement of "brutal honesty."
And to be brutally honest is to state that Hyde isn't what it needs to be to accomplish their goals/promises/etc.
Again, if that appears bitter, then so be it, I suppose. But I will always remember the fun that I had - the people that I met - and the life lessons that have served me very well."
You have said it well: "And to be brutally honest is to state that Hyde isn't what it needs to be to accomplish their goals/promises/etc."
What I have figured out about Hyde is that it's really good at creating an impression of its commitment to honesty, integrity and character. But now that I've been around Hyde long enough to dig beneath its surface, it's obvious to me that Hyde is very good at creating a false image and that the school does not consistently live up to its publicity or rhetoric. Hyde reminds me of a politician that stands in front of an audience and sounds polished, committed, and dedicated, and when the lights and microphone are off he lives a life full of hypocrisy and contradiction (accepting bribes, philandering, cutting deals). The politician may do some good in the world, but it's overshadowed by his duplicity. The public image and the hypocritical private life are in the same person.
I often hear Hyde staff tell students and parents that need to avoid creating false images through their dress, behavior and attitudes. It's the ultimate irony that Hyde does exactly that; it creates and survives based on a false image of its real self.
Hyde sounds great when the lights and microphone are on. But when you get a glimpse of who really works there and runs the place, and the way the school operates, you can't help but feel duped. Hyde is like the politician who needs to be run out of office for misrepresentation and fraud."
Well said
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You have said it well:
Thank you. I try. :smile:
...Hyde reminds me of a politician that stands in front of an audience and sounds polished, committed, and dedicated, and when the lights and microphone are off he lives a life full of hypocrisy and contradiction...
Interesting. Yes, I think you're probably right. What's most scary to me, when I have the time to really consider it, is that Hyde believes their own hype. Which is part of the trouble.
The politician may do some good in the world, but it's overshadowed by his duplicity.
And therein lies my greatest sadness. Hyde does do good work for those of us that expressly fit the mold that Hyde was designed to affect. But for those people who didn't come to Hyde already fitting that description, I really wonder what Hyde does to them.
Getting totally hypothetical, I suppose that it's possible that a child with drug/alcohol problems could ALSO have some of the character problems, as it would be argued that without such character problems, they would have the strength to not do drugs/alcohol. But by the time they've got those dependencies, it is my personal opinion (and I believe this opinion is shared by many clinicians) that you have to "solve" the drug/alcohol problem first... and can then tackle the underlying cause(s)... which is the reason people go to detox first, THEN counseling.
Just my opinion, though.
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....and Hyde does that. If the Drug/Alcohol get in the way of character growth, they are sent somewhere to take care of their addiction. Hyde doesn't handle that themselves.
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... they are sent somewhere to take care of their addiction ...
Hmmm... well, they weren't when I was there in the 80s, and from all recent accounts from other folks here, they aren't now, either.
So I would say that the truth is that they are not addressing those issues. Granted, I'm not there today, so I'm not 100% positive. But again, if today is anything like it was when I was there, those kids are suffering.
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On 2006-06-26 11:34:00, fletch699 wrote:
"... they are sent somewhere to take care of their addiction ...
Hmmm... well, they weren't when I was there in the 80s, and from all recent accounts from other folks here, they aren't now, either.
So I would say that the truth is that they are not addressing those issues. Granted, I'm not there today, so I'm not 100% positive. But again, if today is anything like it was when I was there, those kids are suffering."
I was there in the late 90's and believe me nothing has changed at Hyde nor will it ever change as long as the old guard is still there. Kids are still suffering!
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On 2006-06-26 07:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
"....and Hyde does that. If the Drug/Alcohol get in the way of character growth, they are sent somewhere to take care of their addiction. Hyde doesn't handle that themselves.
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I don't agree. I think Hyde SOMETIMES exports kids who need to take care of their addiction or other psychiatric issue. But I've met so many Hyde kids with serious addiction or psychiatric issues who managed to fly below that radar and didn't get the help they need. Rather, they ended up floundering badly at Hyde. Some of them had major problems complying with Hyde's rules and got into trouble (being put on 2-4 for extended periods of time and much worse); it was so obvious that these kids needed help that Hyde couldn't possibly provide them but they stayed at Hyde anyway.
That's just another aspect of the Hyde tragedy, that is, all the students who could probably benefit from the right kind of treatment program combined with competent schooling. I've seen many kids that Hyde couldn't serve properly. The kids suffered mightily. What seems so sad is that many parents at Hyde ended up there by default (the parents needed to find a school fast or they were misled by Hyde's public relations materials) and don't seem to know how many good and preferable alternatives there are.
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On 2006-06-26 16:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-26 07:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
"....and Hyde does that. If the Drug/Alcohol get in the way of character growth, they are sent somewhere to take care of their addiction. Hyde doesn't handle that themselves.
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I don't agree. I think Hyde SOMETIMES exports kids who need to take care of their addiction or other psychiatric issue. But I've met so many Hyde kids with serious addiction or psychiatric issues who managed to fly below that radar and didn't get the help they need. Rather, they ended up floundering badly at Hyde. Some of them had major problems complying with Hyde's rules and got into trouble (being put on 2-4 for extended periods of time and much worse); it was so obvious that these kids needed help that Hyde couldn't possibly provide them but they stayed at Hyde anyway.
That's just another aspect of the Hyde tragedy, that is, all the students who could probably benefit from the right kind of treatment program combined with competent schooling. I've seen many kids that Hyde couldn't serve properly. The kids suffered mightily. What seems so sad is that many parents at Hyde ended up there by default (the parents needed to find a school fast or they were misled by Hyde's public relations materials) and don't seem to know how many good and preferable alternatives there are."
wow. you sound like an insider. what is your job at hyde?
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No one from Hyde is going to identify themselves! The "Great One", Joe Gauld will put them on 2-4!!!! :lol:
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On 2006-06-28 06:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-26 16:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-26 07:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
"....and Hyde does that. If the Drug/Alcohol get in the way of character growth, they are sent somewhere to take care of their addiction. Hyde doesn't handle that themselves.
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I don't agree. I think Hyde SOMETIMES exports kids who need to take care of their addiction or other psychiatric issue. But I've met so many Hyde kids with serious addiction or psychiatric issues who managed to fly below that radar and didn't get the help they need. Rather, they ended up floundering badly at Hyde. Some of them had major problems complying with Hyde's rules and got into trouble (being put on 2-4 for extended periods of time and much worse); it was so obvious that these kids needed help that Hyde couldn't possibly provide them but they stayed at Hyde anyway.
That's just another aspect of the Hyde tragedy, that is, all the students who could probably benefit from the right kind of treatment program combined with competent schooling. I've seen many kids that Hyde couldn't serve properly. The kids suffered mightily. What seems so sad is that many parents at Hyde ended up there by default (the parents needed to find a school fast or they were misled by Hyde's public relations materials) and don't seem to know how many good and preferable alternatives there are."
wow. you sound like an insider. what is your job at hyde?"
I'm not a Hyde employee. Honest. We enrolled our child at Hyde, naively I might add, and discovered over time that Hyde has many very serious problems as a school. We have not been impressed. We have now met lots of parents who feel the way we do. All of us have figured out that Hyde accepts so many students who don't belong there. Perhaps this is due to Hyde's financial pressures. In any case, it seems clear to us that Hyde is shortchanging many students and their parents. Moreover, Hyde's staff is not impressive, overall. I've met many staff who are obviously struggling with their own serious issues. I'm also concerned about the large number of kids who don't return to Hyde and the high staff turnover rate.
We decided to leave Hyde and transfer our child to another school.
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To another school or another shitpit?
Out of the frying pan...
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On 2006-06-28 18:17:00, Milk Gargling Death Penalty wrote:
"To another school or another shitpit?
Out of the frying pan..."
HLA love that electro shock!
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On 2006-06-28 18:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-28 06:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-26 16:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-26 07:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
"....and Hyde does that. If the Drug/Alcohol get in the way of character growth, they are sent somewhere to take care of their addiction. Hyde doesn't handle that themselves.
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I don't agree. I think Hyde SOMETIMES exports kids who need to take care of their addiction or other psychiatric issue. But I've met so many Hyde kids with serious addiction or psychiatric issues who managed to fly below that radar and didn't get the help they need. Rather, they ended up floundering badly at Hyde. Some of them had major problems complying with Hyde's rules and got into trouble (being put on 2-4 for extended periods of time and much worse); it was so obvious that these kids needed help that Hyde couldn't possibly provide them but they stayed at Hyde anyway.
That's just another aspect of the Hyde tragedy, that is, all the students who could probably benefit from the right kind of treatment program combined with competent schooling. I've seen many kids that Hyde couldn't serve properly. The kids suffered mightily. What seems so sad is that many parents at Hyde ended up there by default (the parents needed to find a school fast or they were misled by Hyde's public relations materials) and don't seem to know how many good and preferable alternatives there are."
wow. you sound like an insider. what is your job at hyde?"
I'm not a Hyde employee. Honest. We enrolled our child at Hyde, naively I might add, and discovered over time that Hyde has many very serious problems as a school. We have not been impressed. We have now met lots of parents who feel the way we do. All of us have figured out that Hyde accepts so many students who don't belong there. Perhaps this is due to Hyde's financial pressures. In any case, it seems clear to us that Hyde is shortchanging many students and their parents. Moreover, Hyde's staff is not impressive, overall. I've met many staff who are obviously struggling with their own serious issues. I'm also concerned about the large number of kids who don't return to Hyde and the high staff turnover rate.
We decided to leave Hyde and transfer our child to another school."
I agree with you about the turnover in students as well as staff. It was disappointing to see so much staff leave each year. I do not think this is typical of good, sound boaring schools. Hyde must make a fortune on the tuition that people lose when not completing the year long program. Is there an organization that governs the boarding schools? Who regulates them?
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who are the staff you were sad to seeleave Hyde over the years?
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On 2006-06-29 09:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
"who are the staff you were sad to seeleave Hyde over the years?"
First of all let me say that there are many Hyde staff who should leave, but don't. In fact most of the ones who have been there for years, (not too many stay)should move on with their lives. Time to raise the bar for themselves.
I only know the staff at Woodstock although they send staff back and forth between the two campuses. I was very sad to see Tom Lord leave this year. He was probably one of the best teachers Hyde ever had and certainly one of the most qualified. In scratching my head I honestly can't think of anyone else who has left who was that inspirational to me while at Hyde. Most of the staff are young students who graduated Hyde, and are back because they couldn't figure out what else to do with their lives. They have no business facilitating seminars when they themselves are so screwed up. The other ones who have been there a long time are mostly lost themselves so stay because they are taken care of with housing, food, and a small salary. As I said, most everyone else leaves as soon as they see what Hyde is all about.
You would have to go to Hyde to understand how messed up of a place they are. A really sick environment filled with psychologically sick people.
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Tom Lord was a great teacher after Bud Cox, one of the finest the school has ever seen, though he wasn't a Hyde teacher. Kids got away with a lot of stuff because he didn't teacher character.
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On 2006-06-29 05:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-28 18:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-28 06:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-26 16:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-26 07:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
"....and Hyde does that. If the Drug/Alcohol get in the way of character growth, they are sent somewhere to take care of their addiction. Hyde doesn't handle that themselves.
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I don't agree. I think Hyde SOMETIMES exports kids who need to take care of their addiction or other psychiatric issue. But I've met so many Hyde kids with serious addiction or psychiatric issues who managed to fly below that radar and didn't get the help they need. Rather, they ended up floundering badly at Hyde. Some of them had major problems complying with Hyde's rules and got into trouble (being put on 2-4 for extended periods of time and much worse); it was so obvious that these kids needed help that Hyde couldn't possibly provide them but they stayed at Hyde anyway.
That's just another aspect of the Hyde tragedy, that is, all the students who could probably benefit from the right kind of treatment program combined with competent schooling. I've seen many kids that Hyde couldn't serve properly. The kids suffered mightily. What seems so sad is that many parents at Hyde ended up there by default (the parents needed to find a school fast or they were misled by Hyde's public relations materials) and don't seem to know how many good and preferable alternatives there are."
wow. you sound like an insider. what is your job at hyde?"
I'm not a Hyde employee. Honest. We enrolled our child at Hyde, naively I might add, and discovered over time that Hyde has many very serious problems as a school. We have not been impressed. We have now met lots of parents who feel the way we do. All of us have figured out that Hyde accepts so many students who don't belong there. Perhaps this is due to Hyde's financial pressures. In any case, it seems clear to us that Hyde is shortchanging many students and their parents. Moreover, Hyde's staff is not impressive, overall. I've met many staff who are obviously struggling with their own serious issues. I'm also concerned about the large number of kids who don't return to Hyde and the high staff turnover rate.
We decided to leave Hyde and transfer our child to another school."
I agree with you about the turnover in students as well as staff. It was disappointing to see so much staff leave each year. I do not think this is typical of good, sound boaring schools. Hyde must make a fortune on the tuition that people lose when not completing the year long program. Is there an organization that governs the boarding schools? Who regulates them?"
The regional accreditation agency that oversees Hyde is NEASC (the New England Association of Schools and Colleges): http://www.neasc.org/cis/cis.htm (http://www.neasc.org/cis/cis.htm). Last year I heard that NEASC investigated Hyde and required a number of changes. I'm not sure what has happened since then, but it seems pretty clear that NEASC knows there have been problems at Hyde.
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On 2006-06-29 10:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-29 09:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
"who are the staff you were sad to seeleave Hyde over the years?"
First of all let me say that there are many Hyde staff who should leave, but don't. In fact most of the ones who have been there for years, (not too many stay)should move on with their lives. Time to raise the bar for themselves.
I only know the staff at Woodstock although they send staff back and forth between the two campuses. I was very sad to see Tom Lord leave this year. He was probably one of the best teachers Hyde ever had and certainly one of the most qualified. In scratching my head I honestly can't think of anyone else who has left who was that inspirational to me while at Hyde. Most of the staff are young students who graduated Hyde, and are back because they couldn't figure out what else to do with their lives. They have no business facilitating seminars when they themselves are so screwed up. The other ones who have been there a long time are mostly lost themselves so stay because they are taken care of with housing, food, and a small salary. As I said, most everyone else leaves as soon as they see what Hyde is all about.
You would have to go to Hyde to understand how messed up of a place they are. A really sick environment filled with psychologically sick people."
Most of the Hyde teachers I met seemed rather pathetic, like they depended on Hyde as a way to avoid feeling lost in life. There seem to be an awful lot of staff at Hyde who would have difficulty functioning outside of the school.
I thought some of the teachers I had were downright embarrassing and needy. A few were good, solid people. I liked Reuben Levy (Woodstock), for example.
Why did Tom Lord leave?
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I agree that Bud Cox was a great guy. I don't think that he was a happy camper when he left. Does anyone else know?
From reading these posts it seems as though the reason Mr Lord left is because he did not buy into the Cult.
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When did Bud leave? He was an interesting & entertaining teacher. His wife JoAnn was a real sweetheart. Did he take off for bigger & better things?
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he left in '01 and is the principal at Poly Tech in Brooklyn, NY
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On 2006-06-30 07:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
"he left in '01 and is the principal at Poly Tech in Brooklyn, NY"
Great to know Bud is away from Hyde and doing well. He was too good and too normal for Hyde School. He didn't belong.
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On 2006-06-30 07:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
"he left in '01 and is the principal at Poly Tech in Brooklyn, NY"
Cool!
:tup: :tup: :tup:
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On 2005-12-17 11:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I found the below post on another thread. I feel it is worth repeating because it is so on point! I do not know how wrote this, but he/she covers the most important problems at Hyde. This does not mean Hyde does not work for some, but please note, this is pretty much what you get when you attend Hyde................................................................................................
I sincerely appreciated your thoughtful message. Your concern about Hyde students responding on this site with perhaps inflammatory words is probably just age-appropriate, but may also truly reflect their frustration in being so very suppressed 24/7 and living in a fear-oriented atmosphere....this is just my gut reaction. This gives them a venue to vent without being (hopefully) put on 2/4.
I learned of this site recently from parents of a wonderful young man who spent two years at Hyde - He did NOT want to be a senior at Hyde - he was tired of it all, and was extremely frustrated that he was constantly being pulled out of academic classes to act as a "senior Proctor" for the kids on 2/4 when the school could not find enough available seniors.
He is happy with his transtion - but Hyde put his parents through absolute hell and agony when they chose to withdraw him - recommendations and school reports and all that stuff that is required to transfer ANYWHERE were just incredibly difficult to get.........Hyde didn't want to lose this student, but they did.
They also lost my son after just one year - My husband and I were totally "on board" with Hyde and totally committed to availing us of all opportunities...........participated fully and honestly at Family Weekends and FLCs. But it started to become apparent that we, too, were living in an atmosphere of fear and "Big Brother is Watching You" - There were often many HAPA parents strolling around with flat affect on their faces and "snooping" into people's private conversations, etc. - It was just so eery - My husband and I have made some really wonderful friends at Hyde - but our bond has been the genuine laughter we shared when we were allowed "off campus" for a meal during these weekends.
But backing up a bit - our son went to Hyde with our blessing for a few reasons. He is learning disabled, has two genetic brain anomalies which impact his auditory processsing and his word retrieval abilites. He needs the structure of a "shoe box" and NOT the structure of a "football field" - he was adopted at birth and has waded through immense attachment issues.
We thought the Hyde Message was great - (It turns out that the messenger is 180 degrees opposite...)
In our interview, we were told the following:
1. There were many adopted children at Hyde - and they were about to launch special programs for these adopted children with huge issues.
2. We were encouraged to sign our son up to participate in the "LEAD Program" - a nightly special ed study hall/classroom where their individual needs would be addressed - for this, we paid an additional 2/3,000 dollars each semester.
FACT-
Yes, there are many, many adopted children at Hyde - they never started any sort of help program - and when asked, they were dismissive - child's problems had nothing to do with adoption - we should just reach further into ourselves to ascertain that "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree" - In an FLC seminar, I mentioned that for our son, adopted at birth, the apple fell from a different tree in another orchard.........I got the evil stare from the facilitator - a divorcee and recovered (recovering?? - as are many...) alcoholic - she chewed me out literally after the seminar broke...
LEAD Program - we paid extra thousands of dollars so our son could get the extra academic help that he truly needs. Turns out that the LEAD program has NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING, to do with helping kids with learning disabilities. It is just a mandatory study hall - staffed by whomever might be available - there was absolutely no help given to individual students - according to our son, whom we have chosen to listen to, most of the time was spent by the "proctor" critiquing, criticising and demeaning the kids.
I spoke to a few of my son's teachers periodically about his progress. Bear in my mind, it can be VERY, VERY difficult to reach a teacher - you might wait DAYS for a return phone call - not always, but often enough.
I was just blown away by one of my son's teachers - who, after several questions from me, finally admitted that her "teaching credentials" included ONLY studying a foreign language in HIGH SCHOOL and then spending a few weeks in Europe!!!! She had no certification at all!!
The other issue which transcends all of the above is the lack of adequate medical staff. I have talked to many, many parents at Hyde. Some of their children have huge medical/psychological issues. And Hyde has a nurse and nursing staff who basically distribute meds.........period!!
When my son was ill last Winter at Hyde, I was phoned to be advised that he would be taken to a local doctor. I asked for his symptons - was told what they were - and then I asked if they had read his medical history - They had NOT - My son had a life-threatening disease when he was 3/5 years old - it impacts ALL medical intervention for him - they couldn't find his records - I ended up driving to Hyde on a minute's notice to take him to their local off-campus doctor - we ended up in the local hospital for further tests - and he was much sicker than Hyde would EVER have known, because THEY DIDN'T READ HIS HISTORY or COULD NOT FIND IT. I was appalled, and this incident started to turn the tide against HYDE for us as a family.
I just thought that if they can't even take care of him medically, how on earth can they take care of his learing issues.
I don't know how many of you know that there is no doctor on the Hyde campus and there are absolutely no medical professionals on campus to help a myriad of kids with a myriad of issues.
But one tragic moment sticks in my mind - and will stick in my mind forever........and should make ANY prospective parent think twice about Hyde and its abilitiy to deal with an emergency....
A father of a Hyde-Woodstock boy collapsed outside the gym last Spring - Hyde had no doctor to help him, Hyde had no defribilator to help, Hyde eventually called a local ambulance. The father died where he fell. Hyde THEN had NO help for the many kids who witnessed this tragedy.....Hyde again had no plan...........
And they seem to have truly NO plan for much of anything, but the constant hype to solicit the almighty $$$$ at every possible gathering.
Shame on Joe Gauld - and shame on his pathetic family followers and other wierd followers.......
I have never been in such a negative atmosphere - smiles and "good stuff" is put down. Truly sad....
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Bumppiddy bump bump. :wave:
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On 2006-07-04 11:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-17 11:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I found the below post on another thread. I feel it is worth repeating because it is so on point! I do not know how wrote this, but he/she covers the most important problems at Hyde. This does not mean Hyde does not work for some, but please note, this is pretty much what you get when you attend Hyde................................................................................................
I sincerely appreciated your thoughtful message. Your concern about Hyde students responding on this site with perhaps inflammatory words is probably just age-appropriate, but may also truly reflect their frustration in being so very suppressed 24/7 and living in a fear-oriented atmosphere....this is just my gut reaction. This gives them a venue to vent without being (hopefully) put on 2/4.
I learned of this site recently from parents of a wonderful young man who spent two years at Hyde - He did NOT want to be a senior at Hyde - he was tired of it all, and was extremely frustrated that he was constantly being pulled out of academic classes to act as a "senior Proctor" for the kids on 2/4 when the school could not find enough available seniors.
He is happy with his transtion - but Hyde put his parents through absolute hell and agony when they chose to withdraw him - recommendations and school reports and all that stuff that is required to transfer ANYWHERE were just incredibly difficult to get.........Hyde didn't want to lose this student, but they did.
They also lost my son after just one year - My husband and I were totally "on board" with Hyde and totally committed to availing us of all opportunities...........participated fully and honestly at Family Weekends and FLCs. But it started to become apparent that we, too, were living in an atmosphere of fear and "Big Brother is Watching You" - There were often many HAPA parents strolling around with flat affect on their faces and "snooping" into people's private conversations, etc. - It was just so eery - My husband and I have made some really wonderful friends at Hyde - but our bond has been the genuine laughter we shared when we were allowed "off campus" for a meal during these weekends.
But backing up a bit - our son went to Hyde with our blessing for a few reasons. He is learning disabled, has two genetic brain anomalies which impact his auditory processsing and his word retrieval abilites. He needs the structure of a "shoe box" and NOT the structure of a "football field" - he was adopted at birth and has waded through immense attachment issues.
We thought the Hyde Message was great - (It turns out that the messenger is 180 degrees opposite...)
In our interview, we were told the following:
1. There were many adopted children at Hyde - and they were about to launch special programs for these adopted children with huge issues.
2. We were encouraged to sign our son up to participate in the "LEAD Program" - a nightly special ed study hall/classroom where their individual needs would be addressed - for this, we paid an additional 2/3,000 dollars each semester.
FACT-
Yes, there are many, many adopted children at Hyde - they never started any sort of help program - and when asked, they were dismissive - child's problems had nothing to do with adoption - we should just reach further into ourselves to ascertain that "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree" - In an FLC seminar, I mentioned that for our son, adopted at birth, the apple fell from a different tree in another orchard.........I got the evil stare from the facilitator - a divorcee and recovered (recovering?? - as are many...) alcoholic - she chewed me out literally after the seminar broke...
LEAD Program - we paid extra thousands of dollars so our son could get the extra academic help that he truly needs. Turns out that the LEAD program has NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING, to do with helping kids with learning disabilities. It is just a mandatory study hall - staffed by whomever might be available - there was absolutely no help given to individual students - according to our son, whom we have chosen to listen to, most of the time was spent by the "proctor" critiquing, criticising and demeaning the kids.
I spoke to a few of my son's teachers periodically about his progress. Bear in my mind, it can be VERY, VERY difficult to reach a teacher - you might wait DAYS for a return phone call - not always, but often enough.
I was just blown away by one of my son's teachers - who, after several questions from me, finally admitted that her "teaching credentials" included ONLY studying a foreign language in HIGH SCHOOL and then spending a few weeks in Europe!!!! She had no certification at all!!
The other issue which transcends all of the above is the lack of adequate medical staff. I have talked to many, many parents at Hyde. Some of their children have huge medical/psychological issues. And Hyde has a nurse and nursing staff who basically distribute meds.........period!!
When my son was ill last Winter at Hyde, I was phoned to be advised that he would be taken to a local doctor. I asked for his symptons - was told what they were - and then I asked if they had read his medical history - They had NOT - My son had a life-threatening disease when he was 3/5 years old - it impacts ALL medical intervention for him - they couldn't find his records - I ended up driving to Hyde on a minute's notice to take him to their local off-campus doctor - we ended up in the local hospital for further tests - and he was much sicker than Hyde would EVER have known, because THEY DIDN'T READ HIS HISTORY or COULD NOT FIND IT. I was appalled, and this incident started to turn the tide against HYDE for us as a family.
I just thought that if they can't even take care of him medically, how on earth can they take care of his learing issues.
I don't know how many of you know that there is no doctor on the Hyde campus and there are absolutely no medical professionals on campus to help a myriad of kids with a myriad of issues.
But one tragic moment sticks in my mind - and will stick in my mind forever........and should make ANY prospective parent think twice about Hyde and its abilitiy to deal with an emergency....
A father of a Hyde-Woodstock boy collapsed outside the gym last Spring - Hyde had no doctor to help him, Hyde had no defribilator to help, Hyde eventually called a local ambulance. The father died where he fell. Hyde THEN had NO help for the many kids who witnessed this tragedy.....Hyde again had no plan...........
And they seem to have truly NO plan for much of anything, but the constant hype to solicit the almighty $$$$ at every possible gathering.
Shame on Joe Gauld - and shame on his pathetic family followers and other wierd followers.......
I have never been in such a negative atmosphere - smiles and "good stuff" is put down. Truly sad....
"
Bumppiddy bump bump. :wave: "
My sentiments exactly. Hyde does not have skilled staff on hand for education or emergencies. Hyde does not take care of kids physically when problems arise. I saw this first hand when someone was injured in a fight. Not only were the parents not notified, but the kid was put on 2-4 the next morning even though he suffered a concussion!
Programs like Hyde NEED to be regulated for the very reasons stated above. We can all make a difference by participating in the petition found online at myspace/cafferty.
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On 2006-07-04 11:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-17 11:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I found the below post on another thread. I feel it is worth repeating because it is so on point! I do not know how wrote this, but he/she covers the most important problems at Hyde. This does not mean Hyde does not work for some, but please note, this is pretty much what you get when you attend Hyde................................................................................................
I sincerely appreciated your thoughtful message. Your concern about Hyde students responding on this site with perhaps inflammatory words is probably just age-appropriate, but may also truly reflect their frustration in being so very suppressed 24/7 and living in a fear-oriented atmosphere....this is just my gut reaction. This gives them a venue to vent without being (hopefully) put on 2/4.
I learned of this site recently from parents of a wonderful young man who spent two years at Hyde - He did NOT want to be a senior at Hyde - he was tired of it all, and was extremely frustrated that he was constantly being pulled out of academic classes to act as a "senior Proctor" for the kids on 2/4 when the school could not find enough available seniors.
He is happy with his transtion - but Hyde put his parents through absolute hell and agony when they chose to withdraw him - recommendations and school reports and all that stuff that is required to transfer ANYWHERE were just incredibly difficult to get.........Hyde didn't want to lose this student, but they did.
They also lost my son after just one year - My husband and I were totally "on board" with Hyde and totally committed to availing us of all opportunities...........participated fully and honestly at Family Weekends and FLCs. But it started to become apparent that we, too, were living in an atmosphere of fear and "Big Brother is Watching You" - There were often many HAPA parents strolling around with flat affect on their faces and "snooping" into people's private conversations, etc. - It was just so eery - My husband and I have made some really wonderful friends at Hyde - but our bond has been the genuine laughter we shared when we were allowed "off campus" for a meal during these weekends.
But backing up a bit - our son went to Hyde with our blessing for a few reasons. He is learning disabled, has two genetic brain anomalies which impact his auditory processsing and his word retrieval abilites. He needs the structure of a "shoe box" and NOT the structure of a "football field" - he was adopted at birth and has waded through immense attachment issues.
We thought the Hyde Message was great - (It turns out that the messenger is 180 degrees opposite...)
In our interview, we were told the following:
1. There were many adopted children at Hyde - and they were about to launch special programs for these adopted children with huge issues.
2. We were encouraged to sign our son up to participate in the "LEAD Program" - a nightly special ed study hall/classroom where their individual needs would be addressed - for this, we paid an additional 2/3,000 dollars each semester.
FACT-
Yes, there are many, many adopted children at Hyde - they never started any sort of help program - and when asked, they were dismissive - child's problems had nothing to do with adoption - we should just reach further into ourselves to ascertain that "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree" - In an FLC seminar, I mentioned that for our son, adopted at birth, the apple fell from a different tree in another orchard.........I got the evil stare from the facilitator - a divorcee and recovered (recovering?? - as are many...) alcoholic - she chewed me out literally after the seminar broke...
LEAD Program - we paid extra thousands of dollars so our son could get the extra academic help that he truly needs. Turns out that the LEAD program has NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING, to do with helping kids with learning disabilities. It is just a mandatory study hall - staffed by whomever might be available - there was absolutely no help given to individual students - according to our son, whom we have chosen to listen to, most of the time was spent by the "proctor" critiquing, criticising and demeaning the kids.
I spoke to a few of my son's teachers periodically about his progress. Bear in my mind, it can be VERY, VERY difficult to reach a teacher - you might wait DAYS for a return phone call - not always, but often enough.
I was just blown away by one of my son's teachers - who, after several questions from me, finally admitted that her "teaching credentials" included ONLY studying a foreign language in HIGH SCHOOL and then spending a few weeks in Europe!!!! She had no certification at all!!
The other issue which transcends all of the above is the lack of adequate medical staff. I have talked to many, many parents at Hyde. Some of their children have huge medical/psychological issues. And Hyde has a nurse and nursing staff who basically distribute meds.........period!!
When my son was ill last Winter at Hyde, I was phoned to be advised that he would be taken to a local doctor. I asked for his symptons - was told what they were - and then I asked if they had read his medical history - They had NOT - My son had a life-threatening disease when he was 3/5 years old - it impacts ALL medical intervention for him - they couldn't find his records - I ended up driving to Hyde on a minute's notice to take him to their local off-campus doctor - we ended up in the local hospital for further tests - and he was much sicker than Hyde would EVER have known, because THEY DIDN'T READ HIS HISTORY or COULD NOT FIND IT. I was appalled, and this incident started to turn the tide against HYDE for us as a family.
I just thought that if they can't even take care of him medically, how on earth can they take care of his learing issues.
I don't know how many of you know that there is no doctor on the Hyde campus and there are absolutely no medical professionals on campus to help a myriad of kids with a myriad of issues.
But one tragic moment sticks in my mind - and will stick in my mind forever........and should make ANY prospective parent think twice about Hyde and its abilitiy to deal with an emergency....
A father of a Hyde-Woodstock boy collapsed outside the gym last Spring - Hyde had no doctor to help him, Hyde had no defribilator to help, Hyde eventually called a local ambulance. The father died where he fell. Hyde THEN had NO help for the many kids who witnessed this tragedy.....Hyde again had no plan...........
And they seem to have truly NO plan for much of anything, but the constant hype to solicit the almighty $$$$ at every possible gathering.
Shame on Joe Gauld - and shame on his pathetic family followers and other wierd followers.......
I have never been in such a negative atmosphere - smiles and "good stuff" is put down. Truly sad....
"
Bumppiddy bump bump. :wave: "
My sentiments exactly. Hyde does not have skilled staff on hand for education or emergencies. Hyde does not take care of kids physically when problems arise. I saw this first hand when someone was injured in a fight. Not only were the parents not notified, but the kid was put on 2-4 the next morning even though he suffered a concussion!
Programs like Hyde NEED to be regulated for the very reasons stated above. We can all make a difference by participating in the petition found online at myspace/cafferty.
Thank you very much for your informative, detailed comments about your experience at Hyde. I found this information very helpful. The overall picture I get is that Hyde can be a very destructive environment. It doesn't seem worth the risk.
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The following is from a letter Joe Gauld wrote. Is he kidding that Hyde School may well be one of the best known secondary schools in America? How funny to still see this mans arrogance after all these years. That 60 minutes show was aired years ago before the negative word got out about Hyde! Good try Joe!!
2. We now have approximately 25,000+ students, parents, and teachers who
experienced a Hyde education at one of our five Hyde Schools, excluding 5,000+
at Hyde-related schools. It is conceivable that 30,000,000+ Americans have seen
Hyde on national TV shows, such as CBS?s 60 Minutes. Hyde may well be one of
the best known secondary schools in America!
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The following is from a letter Joe Gauld wrote. Is he kidding that Hyde School may well be one of the best known secondary schools in America? How funny to still see this mans arrogance after all these years. That 60 minutes show was aired years ago before the negative word got out about Hyde! Good try Joe!!
2. We now have approximately 25,000+ students, parents, and teachers who
experienced a Hyde education at one of our five Hyde Schools, excluding 5,000+
at Hyde-related schools. It is conceivable that 30,000,000+ Americans have seen
Hyde on national TV shows, such as CBS?s 60 Minutes. Hyde may well be one of
the best known secondary schools in America!
This would be comical if it weren't so tragic. This is yet another example of Hyde's delusional thinking about how it is perceived and about the school's influence in U.S. education. Rarely do I encounter anyone who has ever heard of Hyde, even though it often comes up in conversation ("So, where does your kid go to school?"). Yes, Hyde has enrolled a fair number of students since its creation. And . . . an extraordinary percentage of those students leave the school before graduation. What's the total number of Hyde graduates? How many of those students actually graduated from college?
Does Joe Gauld really believe that Hyde is one of the best known secondary schools in America? Good grief. Not even close. In fact, Hyde is better known for its inferior education, controversial program, scandals, and high drop-out rate than for anything positive. Hyde survives for one main reason: There are lots of desperate parents out there who haven't had the opportunity to discover other schools that are so much more impressive than Hyde.
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I think Joe Gauld is loosing some of his marbles! Only a dilusional person would make a statement like that! Take your millions and retire old man. Maybe you can improve on your golf game cause you sure aren't doing anything to help kids in America.
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The following is from a letter Joe Gauld wrote. Is he kidding that Hyde School may well be one of the best known secondary schools in America? How funny to still see this mans arrogance after all these years. That 60 minutes show was aired years ago before the negative word got out about Hyde! Good try Joe!!
2. We now have approximately 25,000+ students, parents, and teachers who
experienced a Hyde education at one of our five Hyde Schools, excluding 5,000+
at Hyde-related schools. It is conceivable that 30,000,000+ Americans have seen
Hyde on national TV shows, such as CBS?s 60 Minutes. Hyde may well be one of
the best known secondary schools in America!
This would be comical if it weren't so tragic. This is yet another example of Hyde's delusional thinking about how it is perceived and about the school's influence in U.S. education. Rarely do I encounter anyone who has ever heard of Hyde, even though it often comes up in conversation ("So, where does your kid go to school?"). Yes, Hyde has enrolled a fair number of students since its creation. And . . . an extraordinary percentage of those students leave the school before graduation. What's the total number of Hyde graduates? How many of those students actually graduated from college?
Does Joe Gauld really believe that Hyde is one of the best known secondary schools in America? Good grief. Not even close. In fact, Hyde is better known for its inferior education, controversial program, scandals, and high drop-out rate than for anything positive. Hyde survives for one main reason: There are lots of desperate parents out there who haven't had the opportunity to discover other schools that are so much more impressive than Hyde.
Yesterday my wife and I got a call from another family that left Hyde because of their profound disappointment with the quality of the school. Like us they realized that going to Hyde was a terrible mistake. Yesterday that family was having lunch with another couple that had heard about Hyde and wanted some feedback about whether it would be a good placement for their son.. Suffice it to say that by the end of the conversation the family was talked out of Hyde. The other former Hyde family called us to get names of other schools.
This letter from Joe Gauld is more evidence of the fancy public relations game that Hyde loves to play. Behind the scenes, of course, there are many families like ours that sees Hyde for what it is and were wise enough to leave. I'm glad we managed to warn another family that almost made the mistake of getting in the Gauld grip. Our child is so much better off away from Hyde. Thank goodness we got out when we did.
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The following is from a letter Joe Gauld wrote. Is he kidding that Hyde School may well be one of the best known secondary schools in America? How funny to still see this mans arrogance after all these years. That 60 minutes show was aired years ago before the negative word got out about Hyde! Good try Joe!!
2. We now have approximately 25,000+ students, parents, and teachers who
experienced a Hyde education at one of our five Hyde Schools, excluding 5,000+
at Hyde-related schools. It is conceivable that 30,000,000+ Americans have seen
Hyde on national TV shows, such as CBS?s 60 Minutes. Hyde may well be one of
the best known secondary schools in America!
This would be comical if it weren't so tragic. This is yet another example of Hyde's delusional thinking about how it is perceived and about the school's influence in U.S. education. Rarely do I encounter anyone who has ever heard of Hyde, even though it often comes up in conversation ("So, where does your kid go to school?"). Yes, Hyde has enrolled a fair number of students since its creation. And . . . an extraordinary percentage of those students leave the school before graduation. What's the total number of Hyde graduates? How many of those students actually graduated from college?
Does Joe Gauld really believe that Hyde is one of the best known secondary schools in America? Good grief. Not even close. In fact, Hyde is better known for its inferior education, controversial program, scandals, and high drop-out rate than for anything positive. Hyde survives for one main reason: There are lots of desperate parents out there who haven't had the opportunity to discover other schools that are so much more impressive than Hyde.
Yesterday my wife and I got a call from another family that left Hyde because of their profound disappointment with the quality of the school. Like us they realized that going to Hyde was a terrible mistake. Yesterday that family was having lunch with another couple that had heard about Hyde and wanted some feedback about whether it would be a good placement for their son.. Suffice it to say that by the end of the conversation the family was talked out of Hyde. The other former Hyde family called us to get names of other schools.
This letter from Joe Gauld is more evidence of the fancy public relations game that Hyde loves to play. Behind the scenes, of course, there are many families like ours that sees Hyde for what it is and were wise enough to leave. I'm glad we managed to warn another family that almost made the mistake of getting in the Gauld grip. Our child is so much better off away from Hyde. Thank goodness we got out when we did.
This weekend I learned about another family that has decided to leave Hyde because they couldn't bear exposing their child to the maltreatment and arrogant behavior of Joe Gauld and several other Hyde staff. One of the parents described in great detail very specific incidents where Joe G. berated parents and made snide remarks that were devastating and humiliating. What is it about this kind of conduct that Joe G. and many other Hyde staff don't understand? Does it not bother them at all that so many parents pick up and leave once they figure out Hyde's modus operandi? Does it not bother them that many families find their lives turned upside down once they figure out they need to flee Hyde? The families I've met who get out of there aren't afraid to take a hard look at themselves and confront their issues. They're not emotional cowards. What they object to is Hyde's special brand of emotional abuse.
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Why don't you get these unhappy parents to join this board in order to get the word out? Those who sit quiet never make a difference in the world!
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Why don't you get these unhappy parents to join this board in order to get the word out? Those who sit quiet never make a difference in the world!
That is why Joe stared hyde.
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Joe might have started the school for this reason, but unfortunately he got off track somewhere along the way and has lost focus of his own values and moral obligations to kids and families.
I find Hyde to be a toxic place. There are a handful of families each year who walk away happy, but the percentage is very low. You will always find someone who gets hooked on a Cult and this is what Hyde is. Castro has lots of followers in Communist Cuba, but many more want to leave the island. Same thing for Hyde.
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I can't believe I came accross this website, I am now in the process of dealing with the situation that my youngest son who has been attending Hyde since November 2005 refuses to go back and I supporthim completely on this, yet his father (we're legally separted) who is an ex-Hyde student is trying his hardest to convince me otherwise. In the first place his father sent him there because he could not discipline my son properly and since he has residential custody of him I felt really I could not relly help my son and agreed to send him there. I have seen my son go from a vibrant, energetic, bright young man to a mummy. I see his fear and agree with all of you who talk about this being a "cult-like" situation. I went there for their spring retreat and that is exactly how I felt, that I was in the middle of a cult and was actually amazed to read how so many people on this website reffers to Hyde in the same way I do! Last night my ex took me out for a coctail to do his best to convince me that my son is being a quiter and needs to go back and finish this year. I see his point of view but I also see and feel the unhappiness in my son. He has chosen to be with me and stay in my house during the holiday season because he could not even stand being next to his father. Instead of this helping a relationship between father and son it has made my son angrier.
When I heard my ex talking to me last night I saw all the "Hyde" lingo and expressions being said to me,and I even told him that all that comes out of his mouth is pure Hyde. My ex never graduated from Hyde, because at the time he went his sister was also going and his family could not afford to have two kids going to that same school, well Mr. Gauld (father) and other Hyde officials, told him at the time that they would much rather have his sister attend Hyde than him because she showed more leadership potential hthan he did. This, I believe completely scared my ex and actually when he went to one of the FLC's he got an apology form all of the Gaulds because they "did him wrong" then. As a matter of fact even though my ex graduated Hig School from another school, he last night told me that he willbe receiving his diploma from Hyde very soon, he just has to give a lecture or a speech in front of the school and he will receive it.
My middle son is also attending Hyde and it has not seem to affect him emotionally at all, but his little brother tells me that he just "goes with the flow and does everything they tell him to do there". . .
I certainly feel that this place may be good for some kids but definitely not for my youngest and as I said I am so glad I found this place where I can see other's oppinions on this school. I was made to belive by my ex last night that I am crazy by thinking this way about Hyde and it being a cult.
And as far as the school providing records for me to transfer him to another school, it has been extremely difficult to get anything from them. The Registrar has given me nothing but attitude when I have been calling her every single day after she promises she will fax the records "as soon as she gets approval form the business office" and I have not received a thing. The other day she could not do ti because it was snowing in Maine and she had to go home. . . .
I look forward to reading more from you all.
Dear Guest, should you still be reading this board, is your Ex's last name perchance Coburn? Regardless of that, I have to say that to take one kid (his sister) and not the other (your Ex) because one allegedly demonstrates "more leadership potential" has got to be one of the sickest mind-fucks I've heard in a while. Your Ex has been basically "marked for life," and no so-called apology (assuredly incomplete and certainly conditional) from the current administration, nor the promised diploma upon completion of a public speech defending his rationale to same, can possibly erase the stigma of what he certainly sees as evidence of his "inferiority." Quite frankly, speaking as an outsider from an objective distance, it is no small stretch to draw the conclusion that this event, during perhaps the most impressionable years of his adolescence, plays no small part in the difficulties between the two of you. Not only has Hyde harmed him, but it has also harmed you, and it has harmed your marriage. Your Ex has lived the rest of his life post-Hyde trying to prove them wrong, and is still living it through your children in attempting to fulfill this dream. Very very sad. I wish all of you the best of luck and heartfelt sympathy. I trust that your youngest son is now clear from the clutches?
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I can't believe I came accross this website, I am now in the process of dealing with the situation that my youngest son who has been attending Hyde since November 2005 refuses to go back and I supporthim completely on this, yet his father (we're legally separted) who is an ex-Hyde student is trying his hardest to convince me otherwise. In the first place his father sent him there because he could not discipline my son properly and since he has residential custody of him I felt really I could not relly help my son and agreed to send him there. I have seen my son go from a vibrant, energetic, bright young man to a mummy. I see his fear and agree with all of you who talk about this being a "cult-like" situation. I went there for their spring retreat and that is exactly how I felt, that I was in the middle of a cult and was actually amazed to read how so many people on this website reffers to Hyde in the same way I do! Last night my ex took me out for a coctail to do his best to convince me that my son is being a quiter and needs to go back and finish this year. I see his point of view but I also see and feel the unhappiness in my son. He has chosen to be with me and stay in my house during the holiday season because he could not even stand being next to his father. Instead of this helping a relationship between father and son it has made my son angrier.
When I heard my ex talking to me last night I saw all the "Hyde" lingo and expressions being said to me,and I even told him that all that comes out of his mouth is pure Hyde. My ex never graduated from Hyde, because at the time he went his sister was also going and his family could not afford to have two kids going to that same school, well Mr. Gauld (father) and other Hyde officials, told him at the time that they would much rather have his sister attend Hyde than him because she showed more leadership potential hthan he did. This, I believe completely scared my ex and actually when he went to one of the FLC's he got an apology form all of the Gaulds because they "did him wrong" then. As a matter of fact even though my ex graduated Hig School from another school, he last night told me that he willbe receiving his diploma from Hyde very soon, he just has to give a lecture or a speech in front of the school and he will receive it.
My middle son is also attending Hyde and it has not seem to affect him emotionally at all, but his little brother tells me that he just "goes with the flow and does everything they tell him to do there". . .
I certainly feel that this place may be good for some kids but definitely not for my youngest and as I said I am so glad I found this place where I can see other's oppinions on this school. I was made to belive by my ex last night that I am crazy by thinking this way about Hyde and it being a cult.
And as far as the school providing records for me to transfer him to another school, it has been extremely difficult to get anything from them. The Registrar has given me nothing but attitude when I have been calling her every single day after she promises she will fax the records "as soon as she gets approval form the business office" and I have not received a thing. The other day she could not do ti because it was snowing in Maine and she had to go home. . . .
I look forward to reading more from you all.
Dear Guest, should you still be reading this board, is your Ex's last name perchance Coburn? Regardless of that, I have to say that to take one kid (his sister) and not the other (your Ex) because one allegedly demonstrates "more leadership potential" has got to be one of the sickest mind-fucks I've heard in a while. Your Ex has been basically "marked for life," and no so-called apology (assuredly incomplete and certainly conditional) from the current administration, nor the promised diploma upon completion of a public speech defending his rationale to same, can possibly erase the stigma of what he certainly sees as evidence of his "inferiority." Quite frankly, speaking as an outsider from an objective distance, it is no small stretch to draw the conclusion that this event, during perhaps the most impressionable years of his adolescence, plays no small part in the difficulties between the two of you. Not only has Hyde harmed him, but it has also harmed you, and it has harmed your marriage. Your Ex has lived the rest of his life post-Hyde trying to prove them wrong, and is still living it through your children in attempting to fulfill this dream. Very very sad. I wish all of you the best of luck and heartfelt sympathy. I trust that your youngest son is now clear from the clutches?
::rainbow::
What I don't understand is why Hyde is so unwilling to look at themselves and the mistakes they are making. Because of modern day technology and the web, parents and students now have an outlet without fear of retribution from Hyde.
I know that Hyde looks at this board so please will you answer us this.........Hyde, wise up. This is not a handful of people who are posting and complaining about Hyde, and my guess is the numbers will be growing as more people find out about fornits. Why is it that you want kids and parents to change but you are unwilling to?
There is no doubt that Hyde is worth a lot of $$$. As a non profit this is public record I have a hard time understanding how a non profit could be worth the millions and millions that Hyde is, but this is not my area of expertise. Another thing Hyde, since we know you are not hurting for money, why do you not hire more staff with better credentials and teachers who will act in a more professional and appropriate way? It is an investment that would be worth the $$$ both for you and the students.
Please answer these questions for us rather than hiding in the woods in Maine!
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I can't believe I came accross this website, I am now in the process of dealing with the situation that my youngest son who has been attending Hyde since November 2005 refuses to go back and I supporthim completely on this, yet his father (we're legally separted) who is an ex-Hyde student is trying his hardest to convince me otherwise. In the first place his father sent him there because he could not discipline my son properly and since he has residential custody of him I felt really I could not relly help my son and agreed to send him there. I have seen my son go from a vibrant, energetic, bright young man to a mummy. I see his fear and agree with all of you who talk about this being a "cult-like" situation. I went there for their spring retreat and that is exactly how I felt, that I was in the middle of a cult and was actually amazed to read how so many people on this website reffers to Hyde in the same way I do! Last night my ex took me out for a coctail to do his best to convince me that my son is being a quiter and needs to go back and finish this year. I see his point of view but I also see and feel the unhappiness in my son. He has chosen to be with me and stay in my house during the holiday season because he could not even stand being next to his father. Instead of this helping a relationship between father and son it has made my son angrier.
When I heard my ex talking to me last night I saw all the "Hyde" lingo and expressions being said to me,and I even told him that all that comes out of his mouth is pure Hyde. My ex never graduated from Hyde, because at the time he went his sister was also going and his family could not afford to have two kids going to that same school, well Mr. Gauld (father) and other Hyde officials, told him at the time that they would much rather have his sister attend Hyde than him because she showed more leadership potential hthan he did. This, I believe completely scared my ex and actually when he went to one of the FLC's he got an apology form all of the Gaulds because they "did him wrong" then. As a matter of fact even though my ex graduated Hig School from another school, he last night told me that he willbe receiving his diploma from Hyde very soon, he just has to give a lecture or a speech in front of the school and he will receive it.
My middle son is also attending Hyde and it has not seem to affect him emotionally at all, but his little brother tells me that he just "goes with the flow and does everything they tell him to do there". . .
I certainly feel that this place may be good for some kids but definitely not for my youngest and as I said I am so glad I found this place where I can see other's oppinions on this school. I was made to belive by my ex last night that I am crazy by thinking this way about Hyde and it being a cult.
And as far as the school providing records for me to transfer him to another school, it has been extremely difficult to get anything from them. The Registrar has given me nothing but attitude when I have been calling her every single day after she promises she will fax the records "as soon as she gets approval form the business office" and I have not received a thing. The other day she could not do ti because it was snowing in Maine and she had to go home. . . .
I look forward to reading more from you all.
Dear Guest, should you still be reading this board, is your Ex's last name perchance Coburn? Regardless of that, I have to say that to take one kid (his sister) and not the other (your Ex) because one allegedly demonstrates "more leadership potential" has got to be one of the sickest mind-fucks I've heard in a while. Your Ex has been basically "marked for life," and no so-called apology (assuredly incomplete and certainly conditional) from the current administration, nor the promised diploma upon completion of a public speech defending his rationale to same, can possibly erase the stigma of what he certainly sees as evidence of his "inferiority." Quite frankly, speaking as an outsider from an objective distance, it is no small stretch to draw the conclusion that this event, during perhaps the most impressionable years of his adolescence, plays no small part in the difficulties between the two of you. Not only has Hyde harmed him, but it has also harmed you, and it has harmed your marriage. Your Ex has lived the rest of his life post-Hyde trying to prove them wrong, and is still living it through your children in attempting to fulfill this dream. Very very sad. I wish all of you the best of luck and heartfelt sympathy. I trust that your youngest son is now clear from the clutches?
::rainbow::
What I don't understand is why Hyde is so unwilling to look at themselves and the mistakes they are making. Because of modern day technology and the web, parents and students now have an outlet without fear of retribution from Hyde.
I know that Hyde looks at this board so please will you answer us this.........Hyde, wise up. This is not a handful of people who are posting and complaining about Hyde, and my guess is the numbers will be growing as more people find out about fornits. Why is it that you want kids and parents to change but you are unwilling to?
There is no doubt that Hyde is worth a lot of $$$. As a non profit this is public record I have a hard time understanding how a non profit could be worth the millions and millions that Hyde is, but this is not my area of expertise. Another thing Hyde, since we know you are not hurting for money, why do you not hire more staff with better credentials and teachers who will act in a more professional and appropriate way? It is an investment that would be worth the $$$ both for you and the students.
Please answer these questions for us rather than hiding in the woods in Maine!
Have you seen the information that was posted here listing the annual salary for Malcolm Gauld? Holy cow!!!!! And Hyde has the audacity to hit up parents for their "fair share"? This is beyond sick. They stand in the auditorium pleading for money and then pay Malcolm an outrageous salary. Come on!
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...to take one kid (his sister) and not the other (your Ex) because one allegedly demonstrates "more leadership potential" has got to be one of the sickest mind-fucks I've heard in a while. Your Ex has been basically "marked for life," and no so-called apology (assuredly incomplete and certainly conditional) from the current administration, nor the promised diploma upon completion of a public speech defending his rationale to same, can possibly erase the stigma of what he certainly sees as evidence of his "inferiority." Quite frankly, speaking as an outsider from an objective distance, it is no small stretch to draw the conclusion that this event, during perhaps the most impressionable years of his adolescence, plays no small part in the difficulties between the two of you. Not only has Hyde harmed him, but it has also harmed you, and it has harmed your marriage. Your Ex has lived the rest of his life post-Hyde trying to prove them wrong, and is still living it through your children in attempting to fulfill this dream. Very very sad.
Harmed the curretn generation of kids, too, whether or not they ever even went to Hyde.
the Government also did mind twisting experiments like this on people many decades ago, up 'till some time in the 70s, I think.
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Don?t be ridiculous.. Hyde was never for neurotypical kids, unless they were completely tricked into it. It was founded for troubled kids, and it?s stayed that was for half a century.