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Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on February 14, 2005, 02:21:00 PM
Sold!!! Your Child Placed To The Highest Bidder
Ms. Scheff referred our daughter to Whitmore Academy in Utah. Ms. Scheff LIED and said she did not receive any fees for this referral. We withdrew our daughter in Dec 2004, after 2 months, since the owner is under investigation for child abuse. Our family was gravely damaged by this referral by Ms. Scheff.
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: iknowcedulies on February 14, 2005, 05:04:00 PM
Name other referral  people and where and how they operate.  often times they prey on private placements because they can shake down the parents easier than state placements.  they will try to make themselves look like victims when they are caught lying to parents and they will coerce kids into saying that the place has helped them.  a line often used by these kids who promote the place is that "if i had known what it was like i would not have come here and i am glad i came here".  it is all cult crap  designed to keep the kids believing the lie that these places are all about friends.  the truth is that the staff have been sued so many times they cannot get hired at any honest place so they will say or do anything to keep the kids from leaving and that includes tying them up and they justify lying to the parents and kids behind their backs by saying that most kids who leave want to come back.  they have puppets , which are kids who have left and come back, spit out lines like graduating is the best thing for all.  the truth is that your kid is being coerced and threatened with their life if they do not do whatever the place demands.  if your kid is rescued they will then accuse him of not being serious about being there and try to pretend they do not need him and then turn around and have you pay someone to kidnap them legally to bring them back by having you sign over parental rights to them. when caught in this scam  ,  the leaders of the place say "at least we're not murderers".  the truth is many kids who follow them end up commiting suicide from all the abuse .  they will try to blame the kid by saying that the kid was "crazy and violent " before they got there and therefore it is not their fault they abused him.  sociopaths they are .
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on February 14, 2005, 05:22:00 PM
Sue Scheff also referred our daughter to Whitmore Academy.  We withdrew our daughter in November 2004 when we became aware that the owners Mark and Cheryl Sudweeks were under investigation for child abuse.  We contacted Sue Scheff about these allegations, and she said she continues to support the Sudweeks. Sue Scheff continues to place children at the Whitmore even as the investigation continues. How terrible. Our daughter and family were gravely damaged by this placement also.

Guess referral fees have more priority than children's possible welfare.
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: tlcrescue on February 14, 2005, 05:27:00 PM
same goes for parent help.  stay away from them.  they tell you lies, then don't want to back them up.  they specifically told me if i pulled my son earlier i would not be liable for the clause that says you have to pay an additional month...should have known better, now they dont "recall" the conversation.
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on February 14, 2005, 06:49:00 PM
According to a lawyer who has reviewed Thayer Learning Center Contract - They attempt to excuse, explain, and exonerate themselves against public policy.  They are inadequate as a matter of law, and in hindsight, evidence of an almost clairvoyant ability to foretell the negligent, reckless, intentioanl and outrageous behavior.  Basically their contract will not hold up in court.
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Nihilanthic on February 14, 2005, 08:19:00 PM
oooooooooo SNAP!

Lookie what we have here

What have the PURE-ists to say of this? Hmm?  ::boohoo:: heres the worlds smallest violin playing just for you.

"The Program" and two years will get you a vastly improved kid in *EXACTLY* the same way that "The Program" and four bucks will get you a cup of espresso at Starbucks.

Timoclea

Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2005, 09:57:00 AM
bump - sue you are a cunt
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2005, 12:19:00 PM
It does not appear that Sue Scheff cares about the kids just the $,
Watch out for Wolves in Sheeps clothing.
Let the madness stop please help  :rofl:
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Nihilanthic on February 15, 2005, 06:00:00 PM
Whats really funny is she might very well think shes doing the right thing for the kids, except that shes bought into some program or some program personality (leader/owner/whatever) and is blind to evidence to the contrary now.

Hey, it happens, buit the best intentions in the world mean diddly squat if its still a bad thing youre doing.

Totalitarianism is like a specter which drinks the blood of the living and so achieves reality, while the victims go on existing as a mass of living corpses.

Karl Jaspers, The Fight Against Totalitarianism (1963)

Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: tlcrescue on February 16, 2005, 10:56:00 AM
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On 2005-02-14 15:49:00, Anonymous wrote:

" According to a lawyer who has reviewed Thayer Learning Center Contract - They attempt to excuse, explain, and exonerate themselves against public policy.  They are inadequate as a matter of law, and in hindsight, evidence of an almost clairvoyant ability to foretell the negligent, reckless, intentioanl and outrageous behavior.  Basically their contract will not hold up in court. "


wow!  that is cool!  In reading the contract, I didn't see how it could hold up in court either.  Basically, case law says you can't sign away rights for an incident that has not yet occurred.  Can you email me in private?  I am very interested in speaking with you further because my son was only there a week, yet they have $50,000 of my money!!
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2005, 10:22:00 PM
Does PURE refer to Thayer, or is this getting off topic?
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2005, 10:51:00 AM
Parents can not feel bad about being misrepresented by Sue Scheff and believing Whitmore was as good as she said when referred there.

Go back on this fornits site, and read  an Excerpt from Sue Scheff's own Deposition:

She lies about having a Degree, tries to pass off work experience in a hospital in "telecommunications and cafeteria/kitchen" work as EXPERIENCE IN THE MEDICAL FIELD.

GIVE ME A BREAK----

Guess if I volunteer at a museum---I'm Picasso!
Or if one of these Whitmore kids volunteers as a "Candy-Striper" then he/she is a NURSE!

She appears to have a whole lot in common with the Sudweeks, or so it seems....a little problem with misrepresentations???????????

Posting 12-27-2003  19:44:00

Or just sear WWF by keying in Sue Scheff
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on March 10, 2005, 03:26:00 PM
sue also recomends glacier mountain academy, has anyone had anything to say about this school or the owner, larry bauer? i understand he used to work at a cedu school and left to start his own.
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on March 10, 2005, 06:03:00 PM
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... um=9#86361 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8575&forum=9#86361)
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on March 10, 2005, 09:30:00 PM
Is PURE still doing their scare tactics to get parents to trust them?  

http://www.purerebuttal.com (http://www.purerebuttal.com)
http://www.wwaspsrebuttal.com (http://www.wwaspsrebuttal.com)
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on March 12, 2005, 08:20:00 PM
i have seen these documents and since then larry bauer and john baisden have split apart and larry bauer now owns the school known as glacier mountain academy, (which was glacier mountain inc.) i could only find one thing on him from the idaho state attorney generals office and he has owned up to it. ( he was advertising services and facilities that he did not provide and refused to refund tuition when children were removed from the school,he has since paid them back plus a fine from the state and has changed his advertising policy.) anyway, what i am looking for is anybody that went there or had some kind of contact with him in a cedu school, see what he and his school are really all about, I DO NOT TRUST SUE!!! she lied to me and told me that her daughter went there and she did great also it was only for a few months, after she rescued her daughter from carolina springs academy.she tried everything to try to get me to send my kid to glacier mountain , but i dont like being pushed and after the second phone call with her, i started to really look deep. by the way, glacier mtn academy is for boys only and she told me her daughter went there and that larry took 10 boys and 10 girls.HELLO???SUE!ARE YOU IN THERE?? YOU OUGHT TO KEEP YOUR STORY STRAIGHT!!people might get suspicious. anyway, i am looking for info on that particular school, because i havent seen anything on it like the other schools. thanks!!
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on March 12, 2005, 10:36:00 PM
If you're looking for a program or behavior mod program that doesn't have negative press, it's probably too new or too small potatoes.
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on March 13, 2005, 02:01:00 PM
Whitmore Academy is still under investigation for child abuse, but Sue Scheff continues to place children there. Can anyone tell me why?
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on March 14, 2005, 07:24:00 PM
What programs in Utah does Sue Scheff refer to?
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on March 16, 2005, 11:54:00 AM
If parents have been damaged by such placements, send a private messages to Antigen.
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Antigen on March 16, 2005, 01:57:00 PM
Why?

Everybody's lost just waiting to be found. Everyone's a thought just waiting to fade.
-- Billy Corgan of The Smashing Pumpkins

Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on March 19, 2005, 12:19:00 AM
The Whitmore Academy: The Sudweeks are still under investigation for child and sexual abuse. Understand Sue Scheff still supports them and their school. wonder why?
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on March 19, 2005, 03:02:00 PM
cause she's a fucking bitch!
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on March 20, 2005, 12:06:00 AM
That's not nice. What school is Sue pushing now that so many negatives are out there about Whitmore Academy? Surely Sue has a PLAN B
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on March 20, 2005, 12:24:00 PM
Want to know the same thing asked over and over:
WHO does she refer to, and just how does she check them out? She makes lots of promises. Just how does she know jack shit about any of them?
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on March 20, 2005, 04:39:00 PM
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On 2005-03-20 09:24:00, Anonymous wroteWHO does she refer to, and just how does she check them out?

These are the questions I want an answer to.  Think we'll ever get one ?  Its not that difficult.

SUE _ SUE _ SUE _   what programs do you refer to and what is the criteria they have to meet in order to be deemed "not WWASPS"?
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on March 21, 2005, 02:11:00 PM
Does not seem to be an issue if the schools are WWASP OR NOT if it's true she and BOB LITCHFIELD are little friends now, huh?  IF THAT IS TRUE from what's being said on all these threads. Sue sure seems to be in the know about WWASP business, wonder how and why??????
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Sue Your Ass Off Scheff on March 28, 2005, 02:11:00 PM
If you people continue to misrepresent my business practices, I hope you are prepared for expensive and unpleasant litigation. [ This Message was edited by: Lawsuit Sue on 2005-03-28 11:12 ][ This Message was edited by: Lawsuit Sue on 2005-03-28 11:13 ]
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Sue Your Ass Off Scheff on March 28, 2005, 02:17:00 PM
I forgot to put my sig, I am one of the good people in all of this.IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT ALL YOU PEOPLE REMEMBER THAT.[ This Message was edited by: Lawsuit Sue on 2005-03-28 11:18 ]
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on March 29, 2005, 09:29:00 AM
It is a simple question: What is the criteria for a school being approved by PURE?
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on March 29, 2005, 08:07:00 PM
Or what is the criteria for a school being taken off the "approval list" of PURE?
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on April 02, 2005, 04:28:00 PM
Anon: how was your family damanged by this placement at Whitmore by Sue Scheff's referral?
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on April 13, 2005, 08:03:00 PM
I am looking for a therapeutic boarding school and have heard good things about the work P.U.R.E. does.  Am I mislead?  Help
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Troll Control on April 14, 2005, 07:57:00 AM
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On 2005-04-13 17:03:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I am looking for a therapeutic boarding school and have heard good things about the work P.U.R.E. does.  Am I mislead?  Help"


Yes, you are SERIOUSLY misled.  Please have a look at this forum to see what PURE is all about.

Well, I'll save you some time.  It's MONEY.

You really should not look to TBS modality for helping your kid.  More likely than not, you'll get a more fucked up version back from whatever "school" in which you decide to incarcerate your kid.

For your child's sake, do some research and ASK QUESTIONS.
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Joyce Harris on April 14, 2005, 11:39:00 AM
Please read our statement made to ISAC...
International Survivors Action Committee a watchdog site for abusive teen treatment facilities.  Sue Scheff of P.U.R.E referred us to Whitmore Academy.
Also, read on this forum: Who Am I Discovery about Whitmore Academy---that will give you an indication of the type of "schools" Ms. Scheff might refer you to.  The owners are under investigation for child abuse, and I do believe Ms. Scheff continues to support the Sudweeks who own Whitmore, I do understand she continues to send kids to Whitmore.
Beware Beware Beware.
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Antigen on April 14, 2005, 01:02:00 PM
Look into the WWASP v PURE court transcript, where Sue confirms under oath that she has sent kids to New Horizons Youth Ministry, then check the Escuela Caribe ~ New Horizons There's another forum on Escuela Caribe on Yahoo (links to that in the above linked topic) You can talk to some of those people about the place.

I don't think Whitmore is mentioned at all in that transcripts. But several different people say that PURE has refered kids there. We have a whole forum on Whitmore.

Just compare what you find out about the places to which PURE refers people w/ what PURE tells you about what they do to determin whether or not PURE is reliable and forthright.

The clearest way into the Universe is through a forest wilderness.
-- John Muir

Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on April 14, 2005, 04:48:00 PM
You might want to go to Search WWF-- and pull up "Excerpt from Sue Scheff's Deposition" and discover some "not so truthful things" Ms. Scheff had to say about HERSELF too...like NOT REALLY have a degree, and about her "work history" before you depend on her about the welfare of your child. We did, and ended up at Whitmore Academy---and those owners are being investigated right now for child abuse. So be very careful who you listen to.
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on April 20, 2005, 01:12:00 PM
New kids at Whitmore Academy...wonder who referred them there amid an investigation of child abuse against the owners, Mark and Cheryl Sudweeks??????
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on April 21, 2005, 11:48:00 AM
Parents: if you have been referred by Sue Scheff, happy or not--let us know what schools she sent you to.
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on April 21, 2005, 11:22:00 PM
Beware of any criticisms....don't make the lady mad!
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on April 22, 2005, 10:52:00 PM
Anyone ever referred by PURE to Sunrise Academy?
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on May 10, 2005, 05:11:00 PM
I was a student in the Dominican Republic at Escuela Caribe from 1990-1991, my name is Jon Burchel.

I am not afraid to say my real name, why are all the allegations of abuse made by anonymous posters, or are allegations of someone else's abuse?  Or are vague, indescriptive?  Because these people are pathological liars, some of them, I know first hand.

I was there, I was never abused, I saw one borderline incident which was promptly addressed and corrected, the house father was fired and disgraced.  The system was largely useful to help us, who were some mighty screwed up kids.  It saved my life.  The staff were almost all loving and kind, and strove to adhere to a psychologically well founded and proven method of helping youth who are nearly beyond all help - this isn't someplace paretns send kids the first time they smoke a cigarette, ok?  The kids, some of them were VIOLENT, sometimes needed subduing, I did see that, but never out of spite, always to subdue.  They did give us a TON of structure, but these people over at their big forum, they think scrubbing floors is demeaning and abusive!  They think a few swats on the bum (fully clothed) administered by several men as witnesses in a controlled, understood way, are abuse!  And they have a few pointy head PhDs over there agreeing that this is abuse.  But don't ever let that fool you.  If you have a kid who is in dire need of help, I would reccomend New Horizons again, and again.  They will be able to help them!  It is not a first resort, it is a last resort, but it is a HELL of a lot better than Jeuvie, or other options that kids in those situations will face inevitably if something is not done.

So don't believe the hype... Couple of bitter tisted sick heads out there do not constitute abuse, ok?!

Jon Burchel
OUT THERE SPEAKING THE TRUTH UNAFRAID AND PROUD
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on May 10, 2005, 05:55:00 PM
So Jon, were you referred by Sue Scheff to this fine place?

So you think it is OK for SEVERAL men to be swatting one teenager all at once? Just one grown man SWATTING a teen is not sufficient?

What type of "hold" was used to subdue this violent teen you observed? Luckily it was not the "hold" used on a teen named Chase Moody for one---that boy died while being "SUBDUED."

You don't think POINTY HEAD PhD's recognize abuse when they see it?

My, you sure learned a lot there didn't you?

Guess we all need to thank Ms. Scheff, now don't we?
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on May 10, 2005, 07:40:00 PM
Proud Jon,  
Wich did you attend Escuela Caribe or   New horizons?   Are they one and the same?

I for one am happy you came home intact. No pedohilles, isolation,dislocated limbs? lucky you.
For those thathad less than ideal experiences you would say What?
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: hurleygurley on May 27, 2005, 05:14:00 PM
In the Bay Area - Virginia Reiss - send me private email for more details.
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on May 28, 2005, 10:15:00 AM
JUST DO NOT TALK TO THIS WOMAN PERIOD!
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on May 28, 2005, 07:06:00 PM
Virginia Reiss, details about what?
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on June 02, 2005, 02:47:00 PM
Jon,
Can you define what you do consider abuse?
Would you let Sue Scheff send YOUR KID to one of these programs?
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on October 12, 2005, 08:40:00 PM
Absolutely, if I had a kid out of control who needed help, I would be thankful to know the good people at New Horizons would be available to help out.  They are good people, and the program works better than most any other solution available.  I thank New Horizons for what they did to help me.
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Antigen on October 12, 2005, 10:40:00 PM
new horizons

What kind of humanism expresses its reluctance to sacrifice military casualties by devastating the civilian economy of its adversary for decades to come?  
Henry Kissinger

Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on October 26, 2005, 12:44:00 PM
:question: I came upon this website by chance while looking for a suitable school to send my nephew.I clicked onto Glacier Mountain Academy and this website came up. My nephew is 14 and is a troubled teen. No police record, just failing in grades and difficult. We live in Mississippi. Does any one know of a school here we can take a serious look at?
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on October 26, 2005, 01:33:00 PM
Failing grades and being difficult are unfortunately symptoms of being a teenager.  Take hiim on a trip yourself.  Go camping for a few weeks (if you can afford the tuition for these "schools" you can afford to take a couple weeks off.)  More than likely he'll grow out of it.

Sending a kid to one of these places will damage him for life.  Why people turn to strangers to "fix" their kid is beyond me.
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Antigen on October 26, 2005, 02:01:00 PM
Maybe the source of the problem is not the kid at all? Maybe there's something going on at the school that he could just use a little adult guidance and perspective in handling. Please, don't underestimate the devistating effect on a kid when the adults in his life view him as a problem to be shipped off.

When we talk to god, it's prayer. When god talks to us, it's schizophrenia.
--Lily Tomlin, American actress

Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on October 26, 2005, 07:40:00 PM
Auntie, read all the posting on the Who Am I Discovery thread. That will give you insight into the type of "schools" Sue Scheff/PURE gets paid to send kids to. The owner has been charged with child abuse (7 counts) against 4 kids. And Ms. Scheff still supports these abusive owners.
And read the WWASP vs PURE transcripts available here to get some insight into how non-trutful Ms. Scheff can be on a deposition.

Good luck with your nephew, and please do not place him in some wilderness program, or long-term treatment program!
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on October 26, 2005, 09:32:00 PM
Can someone please post the link to the WWASPS v. PURE transcripts?  Is it on Fornits or the ISAC?

T.I.A.

 :wave:
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on October 27, 2005, 09:47:00 AM
Wouldn't trust Sue Scheff to refer my dog to a boarding kennel for the weekend.
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on October 27, 2005, 05:51:00 PM
If all you're worried about is "nephew is 14 and is a troubled teen. No police record, just failing in grades and difficult.", you shouldn't be looking at any programs like Glacier Mountain.  Step one is always to find out what is "going on".  Step two is to try to address it at home, probably with professional help (LCSW, psychologist), being ready to participate in family therapy, as whatever "problems" there are may well take the family to address.

Many, if not most, teens are "difficult".  Failing in grades could be due to any number of things.  I believe in the value of a good residential therapeutic school, but it should be the last choice, never the first.  And, if you ever do need one, you need to match issues with school.
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2005, 06:11:00 AM
i just pulled up info on glacier mountain , im trying to have my son go there .we live in delaware, and ive spoken to the owner . it all sounds like i want this for my son . if anyone can fill me in it be great i dont want my son in an enviroment so far away that isnt helping him
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: hawaiianguy3 on January 09, 2006, 04:22:00 PM
I went to Glacier Mountain Academy for a little less than a year before my mother took me out because neither of us thought that it was helping me. My mother talked to Sue Scheff about this school so she thought it was pretty good.
Here are some of my experiences and things that I saw while I was there:
Larry Bauer is the head of the program and says that he councels us one on one every week or so. We all got counceled I think twice the entire time that I was there.
Ramona and Matt Slover were the house parents while I was there and I saw with my own eyes Matt hold one boy against the wall by his neck and yell at him because he ate the applesauce with sugar when he wasn't supposed to have sugar. I heard of other things from the kids but that's all I saw.
Robert was our martial arts "instructor" and eventually they let him take us fishing and on other excursions. On more than one occasion, he smoked marijuana in front of us and shared it with myself and the other kids. Matt later confessed to me that he knew that Robert smoked weed and suspected that he might be doing it with us.
Jack is the "teacher" at Glacier Mountain Academy and is good friends with Larry Bauer. Every day we did actual lessons for about 30 to 40 minutes, even though we were at school for 5 or 6 hours every day. The rest of the time was spent playing Nintendo and watching movies while Jack did paperwork or talked on the phone in the other room.
There were 3 bedrooms for the kids in the house that we stayed in. There were 12 people living in the house at the same time. 9 of them were kids (including myself) two were Matt and Ramona, and the last was their son, David, who lived in the basement.

There is more if you want you can email me at [email protected]. I'm sure that my mother wouldn't mind talking to you either about what she went through.[ This Message was edited by: hawaiianguy3 on 2006-01-09 13:24 ]
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2006, 01:03:00 PM
Sounds like a place Sue Scheff would refer to. Is this another place she "checked out" before referring kids there?
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: hawaiianguy3 on January 10, 2006, 01:18:00 PM
While I was there, she actually visited once and Larry and the houseparents were scrambling to make the place look ok before she came. She gave a week advance notice. They did the same thing whenever one of our parents came also. Actually, I shouldn't say that they were scrambling. They made us do all the cleaning work. Cleaning the house, making new activities so they could say that we did them.
I don't think that it's all Sue Scheff's fault because what she saw was ok, but she should check more thoroughly.
None of the kids ever said anything to anyone. Not out of fear, I don't think. Maybe it was because they thought it was ok, or they just brushed it off. Once you leave thew program, you don't really want to remember it anymore anyway. I want people to know what it's really like because I don't think anyone else will go to the trouble of finding a site like this and tell people what happens. I actually tried this once before. I sent an email to the editor of the site http://www.strugglingteens.com (http://www.strugglingteens.com) about the exact same things, and they sent an email back saying that they wouldn't post the info and that this is something that should be dealt with by the authorities. So I appreciate getting this out there on this web site.
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Troll Control on January 10, 2006, 04:18:00 PM
Quote
On 2006-01-09 13:22:00, hawaiianguy3 wrote:

"I went to Glacier Mountain Academy for a little less than a year before my mother took me out because neither of us thought that it was helping me. My mother talked to Sue Scheff about this school so she thought it was pretty good.

Here are some of my experiences and things that I saw while I was there:

Larry Bauer is the head of the program and says that he councels us one on one every week or so. We all got counceled I think twice the entire time that I was there.

Ramona and Matt Slover were the house parents while I was there and I saw with my own eyes Matt hold one boy against the wall by his neck and yell at him because he ate the applesauce with sugar when he wasn't supposed to have sugar. I heard of other things from the kids but that's all I saw.

Robert was our martial arts "instructor" and eventually they let him take us fishing and on other excursions. On more than one occasion, he smoked marijuana in front of us and shared it with myself and the other kids. Matt later confessed to me that he knew that Robert smoked weed and suspected that he might be doing it with us.

Jack is the "teacher" at Glacier Mountain Academy and is good friends with Larry Bauer. Every day we did actual lessons for about 30 to 40 minutes, even though we were at school for 5 or 6 hours every day. The rest of the time was spent playing Nintendo and watching movies while Jack did paperwork or talked on the phone in the other room.

There were 3 bedrooms for the kids in the house that we stayed in. There were 12 people living in the house at the same time. 9 of them were kids (including myself) two were Matt and Ramona, and the last was their son, David, who lived in the basement.



There is more if you want you can email me at [email protected]. I'm sure that my mother wouldn't mind talking to you either about what she went through.[ This Message was edited by: hawaiianguy3 on 2006-01-09 13:24 ]"


WOW.  Bombshell.  Thanks for your post, Hguy.  This is about what everyone suspected based on other posts, but the staff doing drugs with the kids?  MAN, that is fucked up.

Good thing this place is being shut down.  You should, however file a police report with the Nephi police department about this guy giving you drugs.  That's a pretty serious offense.

Have you spoken to the authorities about the abuse?  You should do it right away, because Ms. Sudweeks is going on trial in a couple of weeks.  I'm sure the DA would love to have this information on hand to aid the prosecution.

Good luck, man.
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2006, 04:33:00 PM
DJ:  Hawaiiguy appears to be discussing the abusive situation at Glacier Academy. Ms. Sudweeks is facing trial for her abuse of students at Whitmore Academy in Nephi, Utah. It appears Sue Scheff of PURE referred kids to both these schools. Seems Ms. Scheff just keeps putting kids in danger!
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Troll Control on January 10, 2006, 07:50:00 PM
Quote
On 2006-01-10 13:33:00, Anonymous wrote:

"DJ:  Hawaiiguy appears to be discussing the abusive situation at Glacier Academy. Ms. Sudweeks is facing trial for her abuse of students at Whitmore Academy in Nephi, Utah. It appears Sue Scheff of PURE referred kids to both these schools. Seems Ms. Scheff just keeps putting kids in danger! "

Oh, I see.  Sorry.  I misread his statements.

Yes, I agree, Sue Scheff knowingly refers parents to confirmedly abusive facilities.  She should get out of the "Teen Help" business immediately.  She's totally incompetent.

DJ
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Antigen on January 11, 2006, 03:38:00 AM
Do they do LGAT type seminars or any similar sort of ritual or practice at Glacier Mountain?

Homeschool is self regulating. The school board is not going to have illiterate useless people living in their homes forever if they don't have a working education policy.

--Sisterbluerose

Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: hawaiianguy3 on January 11, 2006, 01:16:00 PM
DJ, I won't be telling the authorities anything about the program because they fixed those problems. I don't know who Ms. Sudweeks is. If she is the new houseparent, I've never met her. While I was there Matt and Ramona Slover were the houseparents and they were not good. Apparently they left for reasons unknown to me. See, I left the program, went home to New York, then came back to Idaho to live here because I like it here. I heard from a couple of reliable sources that they no longer work there. As far as the drug thing goes, Matt Slover is the one who reccomended Robert to Larry Bauer. Larry did not know anything about him until it was too late. The problems that were occurring while I was there had I'df say 80% to do with Matt and Ramona Slover, who are now gone.
HOWEVER, Larry Bauer, who is the one with the actual psychology license, had almost absolutely nothing to do with the kids who were in the program. If he did, then he would know about all this stuff I mentioned earlier. ALSO, Larry ordered Matt and Ramona to make the program look good when Sue Scheff was coming, so again, Sue Scheff did NOT know about these things, but she should have looked further into the program when she came.
The problem, I think, is that both Larry Bauer and Sue Scheff are both not comitted enough to what they do. Larry, I believe is just in this job for the money and expects everything to go fine and doesn't want to be bothered with the kids and other problems.
Antigen, I don't know what LGAT is. If you tell me, I'll be happy to answer your question.
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Antigen on January 11, 2006, 02:04:00 PM
Oh, ok. Here's a quick rundown.

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/eldon.braun/awa ... lgat1.html (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/eldon.braun/awareness/lgat1.html)

Faith is a cop-out. It is intellectual bankruptcy. If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can't be taken on its own merits.
--Dan Barker, author and former evangelist

Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: hawaiianguy3 on January 11, 2006, 03:57:00 PM
Well, reading about LGAT, I would have to say no. We did not do anything like that. All we ever really did for improving ourselves was a group session, I believe it was every week or twice a week, but I can't really remember, where we all sat around in the living room and talked about things like what people need to improve on or what was getting on people's nerves about other people. we actually never really talked about our personal experiences at home about why we were there, though. Every month or so, each boy would go in with Matt and Ramona and talk about that kind of stuff, but that's about it.
The basic way that the program worked while I was there was this:
When you got there you were level 1. You had very limited rights and hardly any responsibilities. Every few weeks you would be evaluated in the group sessions that I spoke of earlier by Matt, Ramona, and the other boys, then they woul;d tell you if you could move up another level. Once you got to the end of level 4 and they said that you were doing good, then you graduated.
Many kids graduated without even getting to level 4, myself included, just so they could tell parents "this many kids have graduated the program, so it works".
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Antigen on January 11, 2006, 05:19:00 PM
Thanks. And, btw, don't let anybody  around here mess w/ you about declaring allegience or anything. Well, you can't stop them from messin' w/ you, but you don't have to pay any mind.

I still gots questions, though.

On the lower phases, were you allowed to freely talk w/ the other kids?

How much influence did the kids have in deciding whether or not someone moved up? And how'd that work out for them?

What was the security like? Were you physically locked in or guarded from leaving? Or was it just about 'no place to go' and the law?

Redemption: Deliverance of sinners from the penalty of their sins through the murder of their deity against whom they sinned.
--Ambrose Bierce

Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: hawaiianguy3 on January 12, 2006, 01:17:00 PM
We could talk to the other kids when we got there. They encouraged us to so that we felt more comfortable. Actually, the first day I was there they asked me to start talking to this one kid who didn't really have any friends and no one really liked him.
When we got moved up levels, it wasn't a voting thing with the kids or anything, but Matt would ask all the kids what thgey thought about so and so moving up, and whoever wanted to would say what they thought or if that kid had done anything bad or good lately or if they had improved at all. The higher level kids were kind of required to give some input on the situation, but the overall decision was up to Matt Slover, who, I might add, had no kind of license in the profession. Ramona was the one with the license.
As far as security goes, there was practically none. It was just a regular house, and Matt and Ramona spent most of their time in their own living room watching TV or whatever. Two kids ran away together the first week they were there while Matt and Ramona were in the other room, and they didn't figure it out until about an hour later. Another kid ran away 3 times the first week and a half he was there. Another kid kept threatening suicide, ran away twice, and cut his wrist with a serrated butter knife. Matt and Ramona embarrassed him in front of us other kids and in public saying that he wasn't really trying to kill himself and that it was just a cut. Even though this might have been true, that he wasn't really trying to kill himself, that conversation should have been kept between them.
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Antigen on January 12, 2006, 01:56:00 PM
Cool beans, HG. So far, it sounds like a relatively benign scam.

What were the rules? Is there a published or formal list of them that we could look at? And were they implimented or interpreted reasonably close to a normal understanding of how they were written?

Here's what I'm trying to get at. In Straight, we had lots and lots of rules. And they all looked relatively reasonable on paper. But anything (any damned thing) can be used for torment, just depends on the will and abilities of the people in charge. So a good sense rule like 'no talking behind backs' meant that, litterally, you couldn't say to your parents that somebody got confronted or started over. I mean litterally, you couldn't say "Somebody got...." It was verbotten.

The overall effect of this (in combination of other written and unwritten rules and practices) was that it was impossible to communicate in any meaningful way. After an extended time down this rabbit hole, many ppl found it difficult to impossibl to communicate w/ oneself--to think (which, ironically enough, was one of the rules; "Think, think, think".

Personally, I think that's why so many of us have such huge gaps in memory of those days. Thing happened, people said and did things. But you could not comment or respond nor see or hear anyone else's take on it. It was almost like it never happened. That's the mindfuck.

Is there anything close to that going on up at Glacier Mountain?

The overwhelming majority of people have more than the average (mean) number of legs.  
-- E. Grebenik

Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: hawaiianguy3 on January 12, 2006, 03:40:00 PM
No, there wasn't anything that extreme going on. The closest thing I could find to official rules is this link http://www.aboutglaciermtn.com/schedule.html (http://www.aboutglaciermtn.com/schedule.html)
That's their official website.
The thing that was most wrong with the program is that the overseers were too lazy (Matt and Ramona)or didn't really care about us (Larry). The program was more like being at home, but having stricter parents. We could do basically the same stuff that we would do at home; hang out, talk, chores, but we couldn't watch TV or go out (until level 4 or 5). When someone did something bad they would just get dropped a level and have to stay in the program longer. So, everyone's incentive was to get out as quickly as possible, and to do that, you had to be good. The instances where there was abuse were rare. It happened about 4 or 5 times while I was there, which isn't good, but it's better than other places.
This program is not nearly as bad as some of the others out there. One kid just entered this program after leaving another in Jamaica, and he told us some pretty bad stories; but I don't think Glacier Mountain Academy helps kids too much, either. Jack (the school teacher), Larry (ran the program), and some other people who worked in the program were always nice to us. I like them and they're good people (actually, Larry isn't really that great a person, but he was nice). They are not qualified to work in what they are doing, though. Either because they lack the legal qualifications, or because they're in it for the money (Larry); and you can't be in that job for the money. I want you to want to help people if your program is actually going to help people.
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on January 12, 2006, 09:34:00 PM
Hawaiiguy: What did your parents THINK they were paying for? Did your parents think you were getting therapy, an education, or WHAT?  Did they just think you were "hanging out with a bunch of kids with substitute parents who were just STRICT?"
What do you think qualifies as abuse? You said you only saw abuse 4-5 times.
Did you THINK that boy cutting his wrist with that knife was a suicide attempt that just might have required REAL psychological or medical attention; rather than ridicule?
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: hawaiianguy3 on January 13, 2006, 01:32:00 PM
Well, first of all, my mother did expect more of the program than what they did. Exactly what, I don't know.
Like I posted earlier, Matt held a boy against the wall by his neck and that's all that I saw myself. But, I heard that Ramona slapped a boy across the face, but there were no witnesses to that one. Matt sat on a kid to hold him down before I got there. Alot of kids saw that one, but that may or may not have been legitimate. Matt pushed and held one kid against the wall for no good reason, but again, no witnesses to that one, either.
It doesn't matter if that kid was trying to kill himself for real; that was a private and delicate matter and should have been dealt with as such. I honestly don't know if he really was trying to kill himself or if he was just trying to get out of the program.[ This Message was edited by: hawaiianguy3 on 2006-01-13 10:33 ]
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Antigen on January 14, 2006, 03:50:00 PM
Well, sounds to me asif GM is a relatively benign player in the industry. Ya' know, people joke around about setting up competing edcon outfits to ship kids off somewhere, give them all the pot and video games they want and just put the parents through a little LGA torment and say they're doing the same to the kids. But they're just joking, ya' know? The legal liability and real ethical issues .... WOW!

Also, sounds a lot like the Whitmore, only maybe having not gone off the deep end (yet? lately? who knows?)

But, right now w/ the limited information that I have, I'd mark GM as the best of the industry; a relatively benign experience for the kids, same great fleecing of the parents.


If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit  people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good?  Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race?

--Frederic Bastiat -- 1801-1850



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Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2006, 04:14:00 PM
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=50#88618 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8061&forum=9&start=50#88618)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=50#89694 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8061&forum=9&start=50#89694)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=0#86361 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8575&forum=9&start=0#86361)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=0#25481 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=3499&forum=9&start=0#25481)
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2006, 11:29:00 PM
Ginger, why would you mark Glacier Mountain as "the best in the industry?"
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Antigen on January 14, 2006, 11:38:00 PM
Because this kid, who is the first and only one who's answer to my question, paints it as such. Sounds like they're not legituimately licenesesd to do what they say (like anyone else in the industry is!) but they're not starving or working kids to death either. They seem to me like trolls in the industry, really; making their statement at their own risk.

Riskier than I'd go, to be sure! But consumate evil? Compared to the likes of Virgil?

Puh-leeze!

Arms in the hands of citizens [may] be used at individual discretion...in private self-defense...
-- John Adams, (1788)

Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on March 01, 2006, 02:14:00 AM
I actually attended Glacier Mountain and it was great!!! I actually refer parents to it now

[email protected]
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on March 01, 2006, 02:19:00 AM
That's complete BS....Did you know John's daughter was murdered and that's a lot of the reason he started Glacier Mountain.  That program helped me out so much, I have no idea where I'd be if it wasn't for them.  Larry was a good guy when I was there, when I went it was in Dec and no one else would let me go to their house for Christmas except Larry.  I had more contact with John then Larry and still have contact to this day
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on March 01, 2006, 10:06:00 AM
What does this have to do with Sue Scheff? Does she refer kids to this academy?
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Deborah on March 01, 2006, 01:23:00 PM
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=50#89694 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8061&forum=9&start=50#89694)
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on April 17, 2006, 10:21:00 PM
Anybody have an update?
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2006, 09:51:00 PM
Sue Scheff is absolutely insane.  She is one bitch who is out for $$$$$$$$$ and doesn't give a damn even about her own kids.  Take a look at them.  She doesn't care who she refers to as long as they pay her.  AND THEY PAY HER WELL.  I heard she stopped referring to Wasp b/c they refused to continue paying her.  YUP, SHE EVEN REFERRED TO THEM FOR THE $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
I am a parent who dealt with her.  Ask to see her financial statement and then see why she refers anyone to anywhere.
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2006, 10:32:00 AM
Ask any of the  Whitmore Academy parents how they feel about Sue Scheff referring them to this "fine, loving facility."  Scheff continued to refer children to this facility knowing the Sudweeks were being investigated for child abuse. She has no shame!
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2006, 10:12:00 PM
What do you mean Sue Scheff doesn't even care about her own kids? If we could "take a look at them" what would we see?
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: hawaiianguy3 on April 20, 2006, 01:18:00 AM
Posted earlier:
"That's complete BS....Did you know John's daughter was murdered and that's a lot of the reason he started Glacier Mountain. That program helped me out so much, I have no idea where I'd be if it wasn't for them. Larry was a good guy when I was there, when I went it was in Dec and no one else would let me go to their house for Christmas except Larry. I had more contact with John then Larry and still have contact to this day"

First of all, I don't know if John Basedow is the guy you're referring to, but the Glacier Mountain Academy that I went to was the one that Larry Bauer made AFTER he broke apart from John Basedow. I never came into contact with anyone in the program named John and have never made any references to him. I was talking about Larry Bauer, who has a daughter and as far as I know is still living, or at least was when I was in the program a couple of years ago. She was a nice person and I befriended her, it's just that she was not qualified at all to do what she was doing.[ This Message was edited by: hawaiianguy3 on 2006-04-19 22:26 ]
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: hawaiianguy3 on April 20, 2006, 01:24:00 AM
Posted earlier:
"I actually attended Glacier Mountain and it was great!!! I actually refer parents to it now"

That's great that you liked it. I actually had alot of fun there also, but how it was run when I was there was horrible. I hope that the new house parents are nicer and more professional than Matt and Ramona Slover. Did Larry councel you at all when you were there? Also, is Jack still the teacher? If you got out after me, please let me and all the other people on this site know how it was when you were there because your information is more up to date than mine is.[ This Message was edited by: hawaiianguy3 on 2006-04-19 22:26 ]
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on April 20, 2006, 01:26:00 AM
hawaiianguy, did Sue Scheff at PURE refer you to Glacier Mountain Academy?
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: hawaiianguy3 on April 20, 2006, 01:31:00 AM
Posted earlier:
"What does this have to do with Sue Scheff? Does she refer kids to this academy?"

Yes, my mother was referred to Glacier Mountain Academy by Sue Scheff. The reason I posted all this stuff here is because there was no forum just for GMA andsomeone mentioned it in this one. If you read back a couple of pages, I said that I don't really think that it's Sue Scheff's fault that she referred people there though. Whenever she was coming the people in charge would freak out and make the kids clean the house and make us talk about all the stuff we do and things like that. That's from my point of view while I was there. I don't know what else she's done, though.
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on April 20, 2006, 11:01:00 AM
Of course it was Sue Scheff's FAULT about anywhere she referred children.  Sue Scheff refers children to these facilities for one simple reason: TO MAKE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!
She continued to send children to Whitmore Academy AFTER she knew the owners were being investigated for child abuse.
Scheff continued to critcize parents who spoke out against the Sudweeks after Cheryl Sudweeks was CHARGED with child abuse.
Why would Scheff criticize parents whose children who had been abused?
Only reason one can think of is her little money machine at Whitmore Academy was being shut down.
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: hawaiianguy3 on April 20, 2006, 01:36:00 PM
Alright, all I'm saying is that in GMA the people in charge were covering up when Sue Scheff came. Maybe she should have looked a little more in depth, but what she saw was OK.
I don't know what else she did and I don't really care, but all I'm doing is giving a firsthand account of what I personally witnessed.
The reason I'm writing here is because I want parents to know what to ask and see what has changed for this particular program since I've been there. Maybe it's a good program now. I don't know.
Also, I really would like to know more from the person who said that they've been there recently and liked it. Not only because I'm curious, but it would help alot of people decide on whether or not it's a good program.[ This Message was edited by: hawaiianguy3 on 2006-04-20 10:39 ]
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on April 20, 2006, 02:53:00 PM
Any good ed con (now there's an oxymoron) knows programs put on a fist class dog and pony show when they and/or the inmates parents come to visit.

Trick is to show up without an appt.

But then again, ed cons probably know that too, right?

 :smokin:
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on April 20, 2006, 08:02:00 PM
Some moron on Struggling Teens is posting that Sue Scheff refers to "safe, non-punitive programs."  Right!  Ask some WWASP kids that she referred to Tranquility Bay how "safe and non-punitive their stay at TB was."  Ask some Whitmore kids the same question.
What the hell is going on?
This woman has been selling kids into abusive programs for the almighty DOLLAR $$$$ since she ENROLLED HER OWN DAUGHTER INTO A WWASP PROGRAM.
Who does not understand this?
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on April 20, 2006, 10:13:00 PM
Quote
On 2006-04-20 17:02:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Some moron on Struggling Teens is posting that Sue Scheff refers to "safe, non-punitive programs."  Right!  Ask some WWASP kids that she referred to Tranquility Bay how "safe and non-punitive their stay at TB was."  Ask some Whitmore kids the same question.

What the hell is going on?

This woman has been selling kids into abusive programs for the almighty DOLLAR $$$$ since she ENROLLED HER OWN DAUGHTER INTO A WWASP PROGRAM.

Who does not understand this?"


Where?  Do you have a link?  I looked and couldn't find anything about this.
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Antigen on April 21, 2006, 11:11:00 AM
That was before she set up a competitive referral operation.

Here's a thread about the programs to which Sue Scheff / PURE allegedly has referred people:

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8061&forum=9 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8061&forum=9)

My understanding is that those program names came from the WWASP v PURE docket. I don't know of any reason why WWASP would have subpoenaed records from these places except for that they believed that Sue had referred people to them. Of course, they may have been mistaken. So there's your grain of salt to give real weight and meaning to my use of the term "allegedly". I would love it if people would step right up and confirm or refute my assumptions, but I don't hold out much hope.

Among these listed programs is New Horizons Youth Ministries. There's a lot of material out there about that one. Here's a thread I started about 2 years ago:

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=5305&forum=9 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=5305&forum=9)

And here's one about a book written by Julia Scheeres; Jesus Land.

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=0#90801 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8840&forum=24&start=0#90801)

I just read it recently. It's a good book. It's not just another telling of a fucked up program. It's a memoir of this woman's childhood and homage to her well loved and dearly departed brother. He didn't die in the program, as I had assumed when I heard about the book; just so there is not misunderstanding followed by adding then removing David's name from various lists and such.

It's a good read and well describes an extremely abusive program. Now, if the allegation is correct that Sue Scheff did (does?) sent(d) kids to this place, I'd still like to have an answer to that one of my most irritating questions; what is the essential difference between WWASP and PURE.

Education is that which remains, if one has forgotten everything he learned in school.
--Albert Einstein, Out of My Later Years, 1950

Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on April 21, 2006, 12:14:00 PM
Struggling Teens Discussion Forum
Topic: "hire an ed con or not"
Poster: Mose
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on April 21, 2006, 12:19:00 PM
Sue Scheff definitely refers to Whitmore Academy, and is/was paid by the owners.
Sue Scheff continued to refer children to Whitmore Academy after the investigation for child abuse was underway against the owners, Mark and Cheryl Sudweeks. Sue Scheff criticized parents she referred to Whitmore Academy publicly who accused the Sudweeks of abusing thier children.
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on April 21, 2006, 12:35:00 PM
Quote
On 2006-04-21 09:14:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Struggling Teens Discussion Forum

Topic: "hire an ed con or not"

Poster: Mose"


Mose is still posting at ST?  God, some of these ex program parents need to get a life - her kid has been out of a program a long time, IIRC.
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Joyce Harris on April 21, 2006, 12:38:00 PM
the "essential difference between WWASP and PURE?"

I don't see any essential differences:

Both lie and say they don't make any money:
WWASP claims to be "non-profit" and PURE has a big ole STATEMENT "NO COSTS TO PARENTS"....both trying to con parents into thinking they are offering thier fine services for NOTHING!

Both send children away to some abusive programs that deny children a real education, contact with their parents for long extended periods, for behavior modification that has been provent  to be ineffective, if not harmful.

Both use escort services.  Enough said there.

I think these two organizations appear to be more like "competitors" than anything else.
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on April 21, 2006, 12:39:00 PM
Does Mrs. D.VA still post there?  She's another one who used to post ad-nauseum about her kid's trials and tribulations at some program.  

What's wrong with these parents?  Do they honestly belive their own schtick?
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on April 21, 2006, 12:48:00 PM
Yep, Mrs. D.VA still posts. go read over there. It is something else. Seems the same ones just yak to each other.
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on April 22, 2006, 04:00:00 PM
I was there in 1998 and it was ran by both John and Larry....I dealt more with John than Larry and they were great.  There wasn't just one set of house parents there....all kids that came in when I was there started outside and earned their way into the house.  Larry didn't do one on one counseling that I remember...we did a lot of group work though.  I have no idea who this Sue Scheff is...I've never heard of her  

[email protected]
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: hawaiianguy3 on April 25, 2006, 08:24:00 PM
Larry's GMA program is totally different than what it was when you were there. I don't even know if it's the same as when I was there anymore. To make it clear, everything I have posted is in regards to Glacier Mountain Academy NOT Glacier Mountain Educational Services OR Glacier Mountain Expeditions. Here is an article from http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... een01.html (http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives/2000/7/seen01.html)
to reduce the confusion:

GLACIER MOUNTAIN SEPARATES
(June 8, 2000) Larry Bauer, Director of Glacier Mountain Academy (GMA), Sandpoint, Idaho, announced that as of January 1, 2000, GMA became a totally separate entity from Glacier Mountain Educational Services (formerly known as Glacier Mountain Expeditions), which is headed by John Baisden. Bauer and Baisden had formed a partnership a few years ago, which has now been dissolved as a result of this action. Ramona and Matt Slover are managers and house parents of the GMA program, with Jack Evensizer, the accredited teacher.
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2006, 12:35:00 AM
I understand that they are not the same entity anymore..however, I have complete faith in both of them.  When were you there?  

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Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: hawaiianguy3 on May 14, 2006, 10:09:00 PM
I believe it was February through August of 2003 that I was there. If you have complete faith in these programs please state why.
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on May 21, 2006, 03:33:00 AM
glaicer mtn is a joke larry is a fag and i smoke bud n pop pills everyweeknd at glacier mtn is a joke funny u send ur kids there its makine them get fucked up nice.. friends go there go to school with them glaicer mtn is a joke old guy who useto work there bought them cigs lol and
take it from me.. i smoke bud n pop pills with every1 in glaicer mtn on weekends ive smoked a bowl in the back of glacier mtn van when we were all in it driveing lol staff blows drug house
Title: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on April 30, 2007, 10:19:03 AM
Quote from: ""hawaiianguy3""
I believe it was February through August of 2003 that I was there. If you have complete faith in these programs please state why.


I don't remember when, but i also attended glacier mountain academy, it was probably shortly after you left.

was the kid you talked about ("attempting to commit suicide") in past posts named "Joey"?

also if you have aim/msn instant messanger i would really like to talk to you  :D
Title: Re: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: hawaiianguy3 on January 08, 2009, 08:03:14 AM
I realize that the last post on here was over a year ago. Sorry, but I hardly ever check up on this. I really don't remember his name. It may have been Matt, but he definitely had red hair and I want to say he was from somewhere on the east coast, possibly New Jersey? If you ever visit this site again and see this, person who posted above me, my email address is [email protected]. Feel free to contact me.
Title: Re: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: Obex on August 16, 2010, 09:17:36 PM
Was a "student" from '96-'98 when it was just Glacier Mountain Expeditions.  The place was.... shady. I dont have much to say about Larry, he was a decent enough guy and I have very little real contact with him.  John, however was just a grown up version of the "clients" only he acted nice while he screwed you over.  He employed both his sons, JB, and Owen while I was there, both of whom assaulted me.  The dog and pony show I remember quite well as I had to put up with it for two lousy years.  I believe the only thing that kept the place from coming apart was Jean (who I think was the only one on staff who had proper training and certification).  I also remember when GMA came about and when work first started on the camp at Johns home.  Anyways been a long time since anyone checked up on this forum, I just looked up GME to see if it was still around and decided I should kick in my two cents since Hguy took the initiative to get this information out. I can be contacted at [email protected].
Title: Re: Beware of referrals by Sue Scheff
Post by: hawaiianguy3 on August 16, 2010, 09:22:27 PM
Hey. I check up on here every once in a while. I'm pretty sure the program's been shut down though.