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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Hyde Schools => Topic started by: Anonymous on December 15, 2005, 07:09:00 AM
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This website provides a valuable opportunity for people affiliated with, and interested in, the Hyde School to share their views about the school. Parents who are enrolled at Hyde or considering Hyde should have the benefit of reasonable, respectful dialogue about Hyde. Many parents are trying to make very serious decisions about whether to enroll at Hyde or withdraw their children from Hyde because of their serious concerns about the school.
Most of the comments posted on this website have been thoughtful, spirited, and reasonable. People have disagreed with each other, usually respectfully.
Recently, however, a number of people have posted very immature and hurtful comments. Some appear to come from Hyde students who have discovered this site.
I would hope everyone who posts on this website would think seriously about how important this website is to people who are making life-altering decisions. Silly, provocative, disrespectful comments get in the way of serious discussions that matter to many people. Moreover, inappropriate comments from people affiliated with Hyde only serve to discredit the school even more. Right now Hyde has a very serious public relations problem, and this website has fueled the fire. In appropriate comments on websites like this make the problem worse.
I would appreciate it if people who have posted on this website inappropriately would refrain from doing so and respect the needs of people who are relying on this website to make important decisions. Hyde students who want to share their experiences at the school should feel free to do so, but please handle this in a mature way. Those of us who are trying to figure out whether to sever our ties with Hyde or stay affiliated with the school would appreciate it.
Thank you.
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This is slander -
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I sincerely appreciated your thoughtful message. Your concern about Hyde students responding on this site with perhaps inflammatory words is probably just age-appropriate, but may also truly reflect their frustration in being so very suppressed 24/7 and living in a fear-oriented atmosphere....this is just my gut reaction. This gives them a venue to vent without being (hopefully) put on 2/4.
I learned of this site recently from parents of a wonderful young man who spent two years at Hyde - He did NOT want to be a senior at Hyde - he was tired of it all, and was extremely frustrated that he was constantly being pulled out of academic classes to act as a "senior Proctor" for the kids on 2/4 when the school could not find enough available seniors.
He is happy with his transtion - but Hyde put his parents through absolute hell and agony when they chose to withdraw him - recommendations and school reports and all that stuff that is required to transfer ANYWHERE were just incredibly difficult to get.........Hyde didn't want to lose this student, but they did.
They also lost my son after just one year - My husband and I were totally "on board" with Hyde and totally committed to availing us of all opportunities...........participated fully and honestly at Family Weekends and FLCs. But it started to become apparent that we, too, were living in an atmosphere of fear and "Big Brother is Watching You" - There were often many HAPA parents strolling around with flat affect on their faces and "snooping" into people's private conversations, etc. - It was just so eery - My husband and I have made some really wonderful friends at Hyde - but our bond has been the genuine laughter we shared when we were allowed "off campus" for a meal during these weekends.
But backing up a bit - our son went to Hyde with our blessing for a few reasons. He is learning disabled, has two genetic brain anomalies which impact his auditory processsing and his word retrieval abilites. He needs the structure of a "shoe box" and NOT the structure of a "football field" - he was adopted at birth and has waded through immense attachment issues.
We thought the Hyde Message was great - (It turns out that the messenger is 180 degrees opposite...)
In our interview, we were told the following:
1. There were many adopted children at Hyde - and they were about to launch special programs for these adopted children with huge issues.
2. We were encouraged to sign our son up to participate in the "LEAD Program" - a nightly special ed study hall/classroom where their individual needs would be addressed - for this, we paid an additional 2/3,000 dollars each semester.
FACT-
Yes, there are many, many adopted children at Hyde - they never started any sort of help program - and when asked, they were dismissive - child's problems had nothing to do with adoption - we should just reach further into ourselves to ascertain that "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree" - In an FLC seminar, I mentioned that for our son, adopted at birth, the apple fell from a different tree in another orchard.........I got the evil stare from the facilitator - a divorcee and recovered (recovering?? - as are many...) alcoholic - she chewed me out literally after the seminar broke...
LEAD Program - we paid extra thousands of dollars so our son could get the extra academic help that he truly needs. Turns out that the LEAD program has NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING, to do with helping kids with learning disabilities. It is just a mandatory study hall - staffed by whomever might be available - there was absolutely no help given to individual students - according to our son, whom we have chosen to listen to, most of the time was spent by the "proctor" critiquing, criticising and demeaning the kids.
I spoke to a few of my son's teachers periodically about his progress. Bear in my mind, it can be VERY, VERY difficult to reach a teacher - you might wait DAYS for a return phone call - not always, but often enough.
I was just blown away by one of my son's teachers - who, after several questions from me, finally admitted that her "teaching credentials" included ONLY studying a foreign language in HIGH SCHOOL and then spending a few weeks in Europe!!!! She had no certification at all!!
The other issue which transcends all of the above is the lack of adequate medical staff. I have talked to many, many parents at Hyde. Some of their children have huge medical/psychological issues. And Hyde has a nurse and nursing staff who basically distribute meds.........period!!
When my son was ill last Winter at Hyde, I was phoned to be advised that he would be taken to a local doctor. I asked for his symptons - was told what they were - and then I asked if they had read his medical history - They had NOT - My son had a life-threatening disease when he was 3/5 years old - it impacts ALL medical intervention for him - they couldn't find his records - I ended up driving to Hyde on a minute's notice to take him to their local off-campus doctor - we ended up in the local hospital for further tests - and he was much sicker than Hyde would EVER have known, because THEY DIDN'T READ HIS HISTORY or COULD NOT FIND IT. I was appalled, and this incident started to turn the tide against HYDE for us as a family.
I just thought that if they can't even take care of him medically, how on earth can they take care of his learing issues.
I don't know how many of you know that there is no doctor on the Hyde campus and there are absolutely no medical professionals on campus to help a myriad of kids with a myriad of issues.
But one tragic moment sticks in my mind - and will stick in my mind forever........and should make ANY prospective parent think twice about Hyde and its abilitiy to deal with an emergency....
A father of a Hyde-Woodstock boy collapsed outside the gym last Spring - Hyde had no doctor to help him, Hyde had no defribilator to help, Hyde eventually called a local ambulance. The father died where he fell. Hyde THEN had NO help for the many kids who witnessed this tragedy.....Hyde again had no plan...........
And they seem to have truly NO plan for much of anything, but the constant hype to solicit the almighty $$$$ at every possible gathering.
Shame on Joe Gauld - and shame on his pathetic family followers and other wierd followers.......
I have never been in such a negative atmosphere - smiles and "good stuff" is put down. Truly sad....
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An Ambulance was called within minutes and a trained emergency medical tech was on the scene within two minutes.
There were no difib machines then, but there are now...it was a tragic happening, but from your description you make it sound like there was chaos and a lackluster response. I was there and witnessed this terrible event and will be affected for life, but it sounds like your description of this event is from hearsay.
Shame on you!
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On 2005-12-15 11:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
I learned of this site recently from parents of a wonderful young man who spent two years at Hyde - He did NOT want to be a senior at Hyde - he was tired of it all, and was extremely frustrated that he was constantly being pulled out of academic classes to act as a "senior Proctor" for the kids on 2/4 when the school could not find enough available seniors.
He is happy with his transtion - but Hyde put his parents through absolute hell and agony when they chose to withdraw him - recommendations and school reports and all that stuff that is required to transfer ANYWHERE were just incredibly difficult to get.........Hyde didn't want to lose this student, but they did.
They also lost my son after just one year - My husband and I were totally "on board" with Hyde and totally committed to availing us of all opportunities...........participated fully and honestly at Family Weekends and FLCs. But it started to become apparent that we, too, were living in an atmosphere of fear and "Big Brother is Watching You" - There were often many HAPA parents strolling around with flat affect on their faces and "snooping" into people's private conversations, etc. - It was just so eery - My husband and I have made some really wonderful friends at Hyde - but our bond has been the genuine laughter we shared when we were allowed "off campus" for a meal during these weekends.
It's encouraging to see that some parents had the courage to do the right thing and yank their kid out of there. My parents - two otherwise very intelligent people - either did not see that Hyde was not right for me or refused to admit that they had made a mistake. Hyde not only conned them into making me do a second junior year because I "wasn't ready to be a senior," (despite not flunking academically) they also convinced them to renege on their promise to me to allow me to return to my former school for my senior year if I stopped screwing up. Kudos to you guys for showing the perceptiveness, guts & integrity that my parents lacked.[ This Message was edited by: Lars on 2005-12-15 11:26 ]
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Hyde rocks!! :wave:
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On 2005-12-15 12:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hyde rocks!! ::spam::
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On 2005-12-15 12:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-15 12:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hyde rocks!! ::spam:: "
Does using big words make you feel better about yourself, you cocksucker
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On 2005-12-15 12:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-15 12:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-15 12:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hyde rocks!! ::spam:: "
Does using big words make you feel better about yourself, you cocksucker"
Sure. It confirms for me that I don't want to send my kid to a school that producers "leaders" such as yourself.
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On 2005-12-15 11:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I sincerely appreciated your thoughtful message. Your concern about Hyde students responding on this site with perhaps inflammatory words is probably just age-appropriate, but may also truly reflect their frustration in being so very suppressed 24/7 and living in a fear-oriented atmosphere....this is just my gut reaction. This gives them a venue to vent without being (hopefully) put on 2/4.
I learned of this site recently from parents of a wonderful young man who spent two years at Hyde - He did NOT want to be a senior at Hyde - he was tired of it all, and was extremely frustrated that he was constantly being pulled out of academic classes to act as a "senior Proctor" for the kids on 2/4 when the school could not find enough available seniors.
He is happy with his transtion - but Hyde put his parents through absolute hell and agony when they chose to withdraw him - recommendations and school reports and all that stuff that is required to transfer ANYWHERE were just incredibly difficult to get.........Hyde didn't want to lose this student, but they did.
They also lost my son after just one year - My husband and I were totally "on board" with Hyde and totally committed to availing us of all opportunities...........participated fully and honestly at Family Weekends and FLCs. But it started to become apparent that we, too, were living in an atmosphere of fear and "Big Brother is Watching You" - There were often many HAPA parents strolling around with flat affect on their faces and "snooping" into people's private conversations, etc. - It was just so eery - My husband and I have made some really wonderful friends at Hyde - but our bond has been the genuine laughter we shared when we were allowed "off campus" for a meal during these weekends.
But backing up a bit - our son went to Hyde with our blessing for a few reasons. He is learning disabled, has two genetic brain anomalies which impact his auditory processsing and his word retrieval abilites. He needs the structure of a "shoe box" and NOT the structure of a "football field" - he was adopted at birth and has waded through immense attachment issues.
We thought the Hyde Message was great - (It turns out that the messenger is 180 degrees opposite...)
In our interview, we were told the following:
1. There were many adopted children at Hyde - and they were about to launch special programs for these adopted children with huge issues.
2. We were encouraged to sign our son up to participate in the "LEAD Program" - a nightly special ed study hall/classroom where their individual needs would be addressed - for this, we paid an additional 2/3,000 dollars each semester.
FACT-
Yes, there are many, many adopted children at Hyde - they never started any sort of help program - and when asked, they were dismissive - child's problems had nothing to do with adoption - we should just reach further into ourselves to ascertain that "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree" - In an FLC seminar, I mentioned that for our son, adopted at birth, the apple fell from a different tree in another orchard.........I got the evil stare from the facilitator - a divorcee and recovered (recovering?? - as are many...) alcoholic - she chewed me out literally after the seminar broke...
LEAD Program - we paid extra thousands of dollars so our son could get the extra academic help that he truly needs. Turns out that the LEAD program has NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING, to do with helping kids with learning disabilities. It is just a mandatory study hall - staffed by whomever might be available - there was absolutely no help given to individual students - according to our son, whom we have chosen to listen to, most of the time was spent by the "proctor" critiquing, criticising and demeaning the kids.
I spoke to a few of my son's teachers periodically about his progress. Bear in my mind, it can be VERY, VERY difficult to reach a teacher - you might wait DAYS for a return phone call - not always, but often enough.
I was just blown away by one of my son's teachers - who, after several questions from me, finally admitted that her "teaching credentials" included ONLY studying a foreign language in HIGH SCHOOL and then spending a few weeks in Europe!!!! She had no certification at all!!
The other issue which transcends all of the above is the lack of adequate medical staff. I have talked to many, many parents at Hyde. Some of their children have huge medical/psychological issues. And Hyde has a nurse and nursing staff who basically distribute meds.........period!!
When my son was ill last Winter at Hyde, I was phoned to be advised that he would be taken to a local doctor. I asked for his symptons - was told what they were - and then I asked if they had read his medical history - They had NOT - My son had a life-threatening disease when he was 3/5 years old - it impacts ALL medical intervention for him - they couldn't find his records - I ended up driving to Hyde on a minute's notice to take him to their local off-campus doctor - we ended up in the local hospital for further tests - and he was much sicker than Hyde would EVER have known, because THEY DIDN'T READ HIS HISTORY or COULD NOT FIND IT. I was appalled, and this incident started to turn the tide against HYDE for us as a family.
I just thought that if they can't even take care of him medically, how on earth can they take care of his learing issues.
I don't know how many of you know that there is no doctor on the Hyde campus and there are absolutely no medical professionals on campus to help a myriad of kids with a myriad of issues.
But one tragic moment sticks in my mind - and will stick in my mind forever........and should make ANY prospective parent think twice about Hyde and its abilitiy to deal with an emergency....
A father of a Hyde-Woodstock boy collapsed outside the gym last Spring - Hyde had no doctor to help him, Hyde had no defribilator to help, Hyde eventually called a local ambulance. The father died where he fell. Hyde THEN had NO help for the many kids who witnessed this tragedy.....Hyde again had no plan...........
And they seem to have truly NO plan for much of anything, but the constant hype to solicit the almighty $$$$ at every possible gathering.
Shame on Joe Gauld - and shame on his pathetic family followers and other wierd followers.......
I have never been in such a negative atmosphere - smiles and "good stuff" is put down. Truly sad...."
Thanks so very much for this wonderfully insightful set of comments. I can't tell you how gratifying and reassuring it is to read another parent's perceptions of Hyde that are nearly identical to my own. It sounds as if we've had very similar experiences, and they're not good ones (overall). We too met some lovely parents who, off campus, were very critical of Hyde. Only then (off campus) did they feel comfortable letting their hair down. It's clear that a number of parents fake their way through Hyde and simply fly below radar to avoid the hassle. The mood around Hyde is so hyper-critical and judgmental. It's very hard to feel safe and trust anyone there.
And you're so very right about the 180 degree hypocrisy at Hyde. Every parent considering Hyde should be fully aware that many people at Hyde preach one thing and act just the opposite.
We too paid for LEAD and got virtually no professional assistance. We feel terribly misled. Also, we're appalled that so many kids at Hyde struggle with psychiatric issues and adoption issues and, yet, the school tunes this stuff right out (I love your line about the apple falling from the tree in a different orchard, and I'm not surprised to hear that some arrogant Hyde staff person laid in to you for saying that - ugh).
Everything at Hyde is seen through that tiny, narrow "character" lens. Character is great, character is important - no argument there. But at Hyde there's nothing else, and Hyde's interpretation of character is unbelievably distorted and hypocritical. And then there are the Hyde teachers whose professional qualifications to be in the classroom and mentor adolescents are about as thin as wax paper (with holes). I can't believe Hyde gets away with this incompetence. I have met a few qualified teachers there, but they don't seem to hang on long. My guess is they were duped too and got out of Hyde as soon as they could. As you say, shame on Joe Gauld and his "family" of followers.
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On 2005-12-15 12:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-15 12:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-15 12:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-15 12:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hyde rocks!! ::spam:: "
Does using big words make you feel better about yourself, you cocksucker"
Sure. It confirms for me that I don't want to send my kid to a school that producers "leaders" such as yourself."
Hmmmm, "produCERS leaders" hmmmmmm, you are intelligent, asshole :lol:
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Thanks so very much for this wonderfully insightful set of comments. I can't tell you how gratifying and reassuring it is to read another parent's perceptions of Hyde that are nearly identical to my own. It sounds as if we've had very similar experiences, and they're not good ones (overall). We too met some lovely parents who, off campus, were very critical of Hyde. Only then (off campus) did they feel comfortable letting their hair down. It's clear that a number of parents fake their way through Hyde and simply fly below radar to avoid the hassle. The mood around Hyde is so hyper-critical and judgmental. It's very hard to feel safe and trust anyone there.
And you're so very right about the 180 degree hypocrisy at Hyde. Every parent considering Hyde should be fully aware that many people at Hyde preach one thing and act just the opposite.
We too paid for LEAD and got virtually no professional assistance. We feel terribly misled. Also, we're appalled that so many kids at Hyde struggle with psychiatric issues and adoption issues and, yet, the school tunes this stuff right out (I love your line about the apple falling from the tree in a different orchard, and I'm not surprised to hear that some arrogant Hyde staff person laid in to you for saying that - ugh).
Everything at Hyde is seen through that tiny, narrow "character" lens. Character is great, character is important - no argument there. But at Hyde there's nothing else, and Hyde's interpretation of character is unbelievably distorted and hypocritical. And then there are the Hyde teachers whose professional qualifications to be in the classroom and mentor adolescents are about as thin as wax paper (with holes). I can't believe Hyde gets away with this incompetence. I have met a few qualified teachers there, but they don't seem to hang on long. My guess is they were duped too and got out of Hyde as soon as they could. As you say, shame on Joe Gauld and his "family" of followers."
As with the poster you're responding to, I'm gratified to see that at least some and possibly many of the parents are perceptive enough to really understand what's really going on there. And though I've long since moved on from Hyde, it's discouraging to see that little if anything has changed since I graduated from there in 1990.
I appreciate your comments, and like I mentioned previously, I wish my parents had figured this out..or if they did, they hadn't been so hard-headed about making me stay in that miserable place. Have you pulled your kid out? Different kids have different needs, and I don't know what led you to get involved there. But I know that I only found success and happiness when I left Hyde and went to college. Even after I got my first college report card and made the dean's list (at a big state university with no "structure" and every temptation under the sun available), I'm not sure if it dawned on my parents that they'd made a big mistake keeping me at Hyde. I could never get good grades at Hyde because of their ridiculous grading system, a system designed to help kids who didn't have the intellect to really suceed in school, but which hurt a smart kid like me who didn't fit their outspoken mold.
And to reiterate what the originator of this thread said, if any pro-Hyde folks want to join in this discussion, please be civil and refrain from insulting people. Happy holidays to everyone!
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Good evening Lars, how are you?
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I'm good. Enjoying a lull in the courts' schedules & getting the kids ready to fly back east for the holidays (when you have kids, you're rendered irrelevant to the rest of the family except in your capacity as a producer and transporter of grandchildren! :lol: ). Best wishes to everyone![ This Message was edited by: Lars on 2005-12-15 14:59 ]
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On 2005-12-15 14:57:00, Lars wrote:
"I'm good. Enjoying a lull in the courts' schedules & getting the kids ready to fly back east for the holidays (when you have kids, you're rendered irrelevant to the rest of the family except in your capacity as a producer and transporter of grandchildren! :lol: ). Best wishes to everyone![ This Message was edited by: Lars on 2005-12-15 14:59 ]"
Aint that the truth!
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HI LARS, ARE YOU THERE?
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Yeah, but I've got to shut it down for the night. My posting on this board will be pretty limited from here on out. I'm going to be very busy for the foreseeable future (work, family, etc., you understand) and I've said just about all I want to say about Hyde. I needed to get some some stuff off my chest, it's not a vendetta for me. Hopefully, this board will provide a good resource for parents and students. I will check back when I can, so if anyone has any specific questions, I'll try to post something in response.
Peace. :smokin:
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What are the policy's on sex at The Hyde School? Do students regularly engage in sexual activity ON CAMPUS? What are the rules? What are the odds that my teen will be having sex with other students? Thanks..Any and all information thats TRUE would be greatly appreciated..
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On 2005-12-16 13:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What are the policy's on sex at The Hyde School? Do students regularly engage in sexual activity ON CAMPUS? What are the rules? What are the odds that my teen will be having sex with other students? Thanks..Any and all information thats TRUE would be greatly appreciated.."
you're kid will get all the sex they want. either with other kids or some of the staff. send condoms with him.
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nice :lol:
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On 2005-12-17 06:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-16 13:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What are the policy's on sex at The Hyde School? Do students regularly engage in sexual activity ON CAMPUS? What are the rules? What are the odds that my teen will be having sex with other students? Thanks..Any and all information thats TRUE would be greatly appreciated.."
you're kid will get all the sex they want. either with other kids or some of the staff. send condoms with him."
Are you being an asshole, or being serious? I need to know what goes on in that place, please!
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On 2005-12-17 08:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-17 06:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-16 13:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What are the policy's on sex at The Hyde School? Do students regularly engage in sexual activity ON CAMPUS? What are the rules? What are the odds that my teen will be having sex with other students? Thanks..Any and all information thats TRUE would be greatly appreciated.."
you're kid will get all the sex they want. either with other kids or some of the staff. send condoms with him."
Are you being an asshole, or being serious? I need to know what goes on in that place, please!"
serious. read this thread or the other hyde threads.
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On 2005-12-16 13:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What are the policy's on sex at The Hyde School? Do students regularly engage in sexual activity ON CAMPUS? What are the rules? What are the odds that my teen will be having sex with other students? Thanks..Any and all information thats TRUE would be greatly appreciated.."
I am answering you seriously as a student who went to Hyde. The policy of course is that there is no sex on campus. When I was there a few years ago, if you wanted to have sex you did. In fact if you got caught there was a staff member in "Deans area" who instead of just putting you on 2-4 and leaving it at that, he would make you sit there and tell him details of the sex you had. He might also have you call your parents and tell them about it detail by detail. We all knew that he was a pervert and was getting satisfied by hearing us talk about it, and eventually he was asked to resign because of all the sexual harassment through the years.
You asked about the policies and it isn't allowed, but it does happen even with staff members. Of course this can happen at any school but it is a matter of how a school handles it. In my opinion Hyde doesn't handle any policies consistantly. Seems to depend on who has committed the transgression, how much the parents donate to the school, as well as whether taking action might expose parts of the school that they would rather not have publicized. I know of another kid who was 18 or 19 and had sex with a 15 or 16 year old girl and the kids still graduated and was given a diploma.
So as you see, this is a hard question to answer. Is there a policy in effect? Yes! Is it enforced? Just depends!
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On 2005-12-17 11:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-16 13:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What are the policy's on sex at The Hyde School? Do students regularly engage in sexual activity ON CAMPUS? What are the rules? What are the odds that my teen will be having sex with other students? Thanks..Any and all information thats TRUE would be greatly appreciated.."
I am answering you seriously as a student who went to Hyde. The policy of course is that there is no sex on campus. When I was there a few years ago, if you wanted to have sex you did. In fact if you got caught there was a staff member in "Deans area" who instead of just putting you on 2-4 and leaving it at that, he would make you sit there and tell him details of the sex you had. He might also have you call your parents and tell them about it detail by detail. We all knew that he was a pervert and was getting satisfied by hearing us talk about it, and eventually he was asked to resign because of all the sexual harassment through the years.
You asked about the policies and it isn't allowed, but it does happen even with staff members. Of course this can happen at any school but it is a matter of how a school handles it. In my opinion Hyde doesn't handle any policies consistantly. Seems to depend on who has committed the transgression, how much the parents donate to the school, as well as whether taking action might expose parts of the school that they would rather not have publicized. I know of another kid who was 18 or 19 and had sex with a 15 or 16 year old girl and the kids still graduated and was given a diploma.
So as you see, this is a hard question to answer. Is there a policy in effect? Yes! Is it enforced? Just depends!"
Thank you so much for the insight! So would you say that sex happens as a daily basis? Is it more common to have sex while there than not?
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I have been informed that there is absolutely NO sexual activity on the campus of The Hyde School. Please get your facts straight before you idiots post a response to the woman. And if you have any questions about the school Ms., please call the Hyde School directly, the people here on this board are VERY negative and undermining.[ This Message was edited by: Hyde's Attorney on 2005-12-17 19:37 ][ This Message was edited by: Hyde's Attorney on 2005-12-17 19:38 ]
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On 2005-12-17 19:36:00, Hyde's Attorney wrote:
"I have been informed that there is absolutely NO sexual activity on the campus of The Hyde School. Please get your facts straight before you idiots post a response to the woman. And if you have any questions about the school Ms., please call the Hyde School directly, the people here on this board are VERY negative and undermining.[ This Message was edited by: Hyde's Attorney on 2005-12-17 19:37 ][ This Message was edited by: Hyde's Attorney on 2005-12-17 19:38 ]"
You Sir are not credible when you make statements yet fail to claim what your tie to Hyde is. It is very easy to say, "this is a great school, nothing but good things happen at it" but until you prove your claims, please stop acting as though you know what went on at the school. I WAS THERE and having sex was easy to do!
You suggest that this person call the school to hear the truth. Do you really think Hyde is going to admit any of this or say anything but positive things about the school. PLEASE, get real! Go ahead and call Hyde, ask all pertinent questions, but make sure you also take into account what former students and parents have to say!!
The following is a statement from this person who claims to be "Hyde's attorney."............
"I have been informed that there is absolutely NO sexual activity on the campus of The Hyde School. Please get your facts straight before you idiots post a response to the woman.
Who were you informed by? This is a lie that there is no sexual activity on Hyde campus and I can attest to it because I had sex while at Hyde. Why do you call anyone an idiot who is pointing out the truth? I truly question what kind of game you are trying to play on this board, but I will not attack you the way you have attacked others. The truth has been told by a couple of people.
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On 2005-12-17 19:36:00, Hyde's Attorney wrote:
" I have been informed that there is absolutely NO sexual activity on the campus of The Hyde School. "
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i can tell you from attending the hyde summer challenge that I was sent to seguin, an island thats right near maine, where you sleep in tents, do not take showers at all (and you can be there for weeks) and wake at 5:00 to run up hills with buckets of sand with someone timing you, workouts, pushups, the ones where you count down from 25 which equals a total of 800 pushups a day or more. There was an sex orgy that took place on that island, some people were involved and some werent. The people who were involved confessed, and the people who werent regretfully had to confess after being on shadow and under suspicion for something they did not do. I was one of the persons who was not involved, and confessed anyways. How? I made it all up. But Ill tell you that I didnt just have to say "I was involved in the sex orgy". I had to sit in the dean's office and WORD BY WORD, tell the whole sory out. It was disgusting and embarrasin even for something that I had no part in. I believe that if I was a girl that was actually involved, how humiliating and hurtful it would be to tell something like that to a dean who is a man! Completely unprofessional and disturbing. I can agree with what one person said about the inadequate medical staff, I was then to be tested for HIV within the next week (the school will not give anyone a morning after pill or HIV cocktail) Just think about is this situation were to happen: a girl being raped at Hyde with no protection from HIV, STD's, and no Plan B pill! For my own curiousity, I asked why noone had taken me to be tested for HIV or STD's, and the nurse said that she had FORGOTTEN to call the doctor or something like that. I was appalled at how unqualified the nurses and medical staff was there! I could have been infected with HIV right then and there if in fact I had been involved with the sex orgy. I did not drink milk when I was little and up until I was 15 had not taken any calcium supplements, and as a result developed osteopenia (the beginning of osteoporosis). I was a couch potato all of my life also, which didnt help. I went to the hyde summer challenge having not excercised in a decade, yet was still accepted for the summer challenge after my medical records were sent over. I dint know the strenuous excercise I was going to be faced with when I enetered the summer challenge, but the school did and they still did not warn me or my parents. Don't get me wrong, excercise is good for osteoporosis, but in moderation with a slow start. I was up at 4:30's running around the football field 5x's, sprints, lunges, and of course, seguin island. I went to the nurse about everyday for as much painkillers I could get my hands on, and requested to see a medical doctor because the pain was unbearable. The nurse refused to let me see a doctor! After the 5 weeks were over and I saw a doctor, you would not believe the damage that were done to my knees and one of my hips over those 5 weeks. The doctor was surprised that I could go through with all the excercise that they expected of me. My knees are slowly getting better, but I cannot run without pain and I cannot walk for long periods of time. It would kill me to think what Hyde would do in a real medical emergency.
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On 2006-01-03 14:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
"i can tell you from attending the hyde summer challenge that I was sent to seguin, an island thats right near maine, where you sleep in tents, do not take showers at all (and you can be there for weeks) and wake at 5:00 to run up hills with buckets of sand with someone timing you, workouts, pushups, the ones where you count down from 25 which equals a total of 800 pushups a day or more. There was an sex orgy that took place on that island, some people were involved and some werent. The people who were involved confessed, and the people who werent regretfully had to confess after being on shadow and under suspicion for something they did not do. I was one of the persons who was not involved, and confessed anyways. How? I made it all up. But Ill tell you that I didnt just have to say "I was involved in the sex orgy". I had to sit in the dean's office and WORD BY WORD, tell the whole sory out. It was disgusting and embarrasin even for something that I had no part in. I believe that if I was a girl that was actually involved, how humiliating and hurtful it would be to tell something like that to a dean who is a man! Completely unprofessional and disturbing. I can agree with what one person said about the inadequate medical staff, I was then to be tested for HIV within the next week (the school will not give anyone a morning after pill or HIV cocktail) Just think about is this situation were to happen: a girl being raped at Hyde with no protection from HIV, STD's, and no Plan B pill! For my own curiousity, I asked why noone had taken me to be tested for HIV or STD's, and the nurse said that she had FORGOTTEN to call the doctor or something like that. I was appalled at how unqualified the nurses and medical staff was there! I could have been infected with HIV right then and there if in fact I had been involved with the sex orgy. I did not drink milk when I was little and up until I was 15 had not taken any calcium supplements, and as a result developed osteopenia (the beginning of osteoporosis). I was a couch potato all of my life also, which didnt help. I went to the hyde summer challenge having not excercised in a decade, yet was still accepted for the summer challenge after my medical records were sent over. I dint know the strenuous excercise I was going to be faced with when I enetered the summer challenge, but the school did and they still did not warn me or my parents. Don't get me wrong, excercise is good for osteoporosis, but in moderation with a slow start. I was up at 4:30's running around the football field 5x's, sprints, lunges, and of course, seguin island. I went to the nurse about everyday for as much painkillers I could get my hands on, and requested to see a medical doctor because the pain was unbearable. The nurse refused to let me see a doctor! After the 5 weeks were over and I saw a doctor, you would not believe the damage that were done to my knees and one of my hips over those 5 weeks. The doctor was surprised that I could go through with all the excercise that they expected of me. My knees are slowly getting better, but I cannot run without pain and I cannot walk for long periods of time. It would kill me to think what Hyde would do in a real medical emergency. "
Your experience sounds awful and I'm sorry you had to go through that. Is this sort of abuse typical at Hyde School?
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On 2006-01-04 06:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-03 14:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
"i can tell you from attending the hyde summer challenge that I was sent to seguin, an island thats right near maine, where you sleep in tents, do not take showers at all (and you can be there for weeks) and wake at 5:00 to run up hills with buckets of sand with someone timing you, workouts, pushups, the ones where you count down from 25 which equals a total of 800 pushups a day or more. There was an sex orgy that took place on that island, some people were involved and some werent. The people who were involved confessed, and the people who werent regretfully had to confess after being on shadow and under suspicion for something they did not do. I was one of the persons who was not involved, and confessed anyways. How? I made it all up. But Ill tell you that I didnt just have to say "I was involved in the sex orgy". I had to sit in the dean's office and WORD BY WORD, tell the whole sory out. It was disgusting and embarrasin even for something that I had no part in. I believe that if I was a girl that was actually involved, how humiliating and hurtful it would be to tell something like that to a dean who is a man! Completely unprofessional and disturbing. I can agree with what one person said about the inadequate medical staff, I was then to be tested for HIV within the next week (the school will not give anyone a morning after pill or HIV cocktail) Just think about is this situation were to happen: a girl being raped at Hyde with no protection from HIV, STD's, and no Plan B pill! For my own curiousity, I asked why noone had taken me to be tested for HIV or STD's, and the nurse said that she had FORGOTTEN to call the doctor or something like that. I was appalled at how unqualified the nurses and medical staff was there! I could have been infected with HIV right then and there if in fact I had been involved with the sex orgy. I did not drink milk when I was little and up until I was 15 had not taken any calcium supplements, and as a result developed osteopenia (the beginning of osteoporosis). I was a couch potato all of my life also, which didnt help. I went to the hyde summer challenge having not excercised in a decade, yet was still accepted for the summer challenge after my medical records were sent over. I dint know the strenuous excercise I was going to be faced with when I enetered the summer challenge, but the school did and they still did not warn me or my parents. Don't get me wrong, excercise is good for osteoporosis, but in moderation with a slow start. I was up at 4:30's running around the football field 5x's, sprints, lunges, and of course, seguin island. I went to the nurse about everyday for as much painkillers I could get my hands on, and requested to see a medical doctor because the pain was unbearable. The nurse refused to let me see a doctor! After the 5 weeks were over and I saw a doctor, you would not believe the damage that were done to my knees and one of my hips over those 5 weeks. The doctor was surprised that I could go through with all the excercise that they expected of me. My knees are slowly getting better, but I cannot run without pain and I cannot walk for long periods of time. It would kill me to think what Hyde would do in a real medical emergency. "
Your experience sounds awful and I'm sorry you had to go through that. Is this sort of abuse typical at Hyde School?"
I never heard of this "sequin island" at Hyde. Is this something new? Who was in charge of this program? My guess is that like the other programs there are not qualified people in charge. I know there was a girl who almost drowned once on a wilderness trip because of the lack of qualified staff. Did you continue at Hyde after the five weeks?
I am shocked that they still have someone in Dean's area "getting off" on listening to sex tales! There are a bunch of perverts who work there and it is a shame that Childrens Services does not get involved!! I thought that laws are supposed to protect kids, not allow harmful situations!
Would love you to write back to give us more info on this five week program and who is in charge of it at Hyde.
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Sequin Island was great! Just behave yourself like a half witted person can, and you should have NO problems at all at The Hyde School.
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I cannot believe what I am reading here. This is a really sick place, Hyde School!
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On 2006-01-04 18:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Sequin Island was great! Just behave yourself like a half witted person can, and you should have NO problems at all at The Hyde School."
Yeah, sounds like one big fun summer picnic! :roll:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =20#160946 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=13014&forum=43&start=20#160946)
Posted: 2006-01-03 14:01:00
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i can tell you from attending the hyde summer challenge that I was sent to seguin, an island thats right near maine, where you sleep in tents, do not take showers at all (and you can be there for weeks) and wake at 5:00 to run up hills with buckets of sand with someone timing you, workouts, pushups, the ones where you count down from 25 which equals a total of 800 pushups a day or more. There was an sex orgy that took place on that island, some people were involved and some werent. The people who were involved confessed, and the people who werent regretfully had to confess after being on shadow and under suspicion for something they did not do. I was one of the persons who was not involved, and confessed anyways. How? I made it all up. But Ill tell you that I didnt just have to say "I was involved in the sex orgy". I had to sit in the dean's office and WORD BY WORD, tell the whole sory out. It was disgusting and embarrasin even for something that I had no part in. I believe that if I was a girl that was actually involved, how humiliating and hurtful it would be to tell something like that to a dean who is a man! Completely unprofessional and disturbing. I can agree with what one person said about the inadequate medical staff, I was then to be tested for HIV within the next week (the school will not give anyone a morning after pill or HIV cocktail) Just think about is this situation were to happen: a girl being raped at Hyde with no protection from HIV, STD's, and no Plan B pill! For my own curiousity, I asked why noone had taken me to be tested for HIV or STD's, and the nurse said that she had FORGOTTEN to call the doctor or something like that. I was appalled at how unqualified the nurses and medical staff was there! I could have been infected with HIV right then and there if in fact I had been involved with the sex orgy. I did not drink milk when I was little and up until I was 15 had not taken any calcium supplements, and as a result developed osteopenia (the beginning of osteoporosis). I was a couch potato all of my life also, which didnt help. I went to the hyde summer challenge having not excercised in a decade, yet was still accepted for the summer challenge after my medical records were sent over. I dint know the strenuous excercise I was going to be faced with when I enetered the summer challenge, but the school did and they still did not warn me or my parents. Don't get me wrong, excercise is good for osteoporosis, but in moderation with a slow start. I was up at 4:30's running around the football field 5x's, sprints, lunges, and of course, seguin island. I went to the nurse about everyday for as much painkillers I could get my hands on, and requested to see a medical doctor because the pain was unbearable. The nurse refused to let me see a doctor! After the 5 weeks were over and I saw a doctor, you would not believe the damage that were done to my knees and one of my hips over those 5 weeks. The doctor was surprised that I could go through with all the excercise that they expected of me. My knees are slowly getting better, but I cannot run without pain and I cannot walk for long periods of time. It would kill me to think what Hyde would do in a real medical emergency.
It is fear that first brought Gods into the world.
--Gallus Petronius, 1st Century Roman courtier
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On 2006-01-04 18:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Sequin Island was great! Just behave yourself like a half witted person can, and you should have NO problems at all at The Hyde School."
That's true.
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Hyde has a 5 week program that kids can attend to see if they like the school, but it is actually required if summer is coming up. It takes place in the summer, and after the 5 weeks, Hyde makes the choice to accept you or not and the parents will decide if the school is right for their child. There is a fee for the summer program, though Im not sure what it was exactly. If your wondering if Hyde will accept certain students, I can tell you that they will accept anyone even if they were both mentally and physically retarded and/or had substance abuse issues. They will accept any kid who walks through their door. I came to this website to tell my story at Hyde in the most truthful and informative way I could, and I encourage anyone who has attended Hyde to do so as well. Alot of people here are being a little vague about their Hyde experience, and I encourage you to site specific experiences that you have had, as these will help parents who are considering Hyde to know what Hyde would be like for their child without the school giving them a vague outline of what it is like to be at Hyde. If you visit the Hyde website, you will see that they give a very vague description of what they have to offer to kids and what issues the kids have when they get there, as wel as if they are equipped to deal with those issues. If my parents and I had known what it was like at Hyde and if the staff had been truthful about what is was going to be like at the school's interview, I would have not even considered attending the summer challenge. I knew nothing about 2/4 at the interview, I knew nothing about their "accountabilities", I knew nothing about how kids were treated behind closed doors, when the parents were not around. I remember when it was towards the end of the summer challenge and the school was getting into heavy duty cleaning, organizing, and primping for Family Weekend when the parents would arrive. There was gourmet food set on to tables for the parents, the dorms were cleaned, but what was most eye-catching was how the staff and faculty started to get into their "relaxed care-free mood", a visage to appeal to the parents. They displayed no anger, no agression, no confrontations with any of the students on this particular day. I was relieved that no one had confronted me or any of the students on this day, but at the same time I kept in my mind thinking to myself "Is this really how truthful everyone here is? Is this there truthful philosphy that they hold themselves standard to?" And I knew that it wasn't. I knew that this is how they pulled so many parents in, with their discovery groups they appeared to offer free counseling group-therapy to parents and their child, when actually counseling isn't even a part of the Hyde School. So many kids come to this school to turn their lives around, with hope that they can gain confidence and motivation in themselves. When in fact, those feelings of inferiority or whatever they were dealing with pre-Hyde are suppressed deeper and deeper inside themselves when they learn that they have stop cold-turkey their bulimia, or cutting, or alcohol/drug abuse because there will be consequences at Hyde. I remember this one boy at Hyde who had serious anger issues that he had no control over. From what I knew of him, his parents were divorced and his mother had re-married a different man, which could have been the possible underlying issues of his anger. He grew up without a father, and his father was later replaced with a starnger. Understandable, right? But Hyde refuses to understamd cases like this, and when the boy got in fights at the school if someone rubbe dhim the wrong way, the faculty stated bluntly that he shall stop his violent acts against other kids or he was going to to be "held accountable". When the fights with other kids continued, the boy was asked what he planned to do about his agression if he were to attend the school. This was during discovery grups on family therapy, and everyone was listening. The boy said " I guess I will have to learn to stop my anger, I just don't know how. I guess I will have to face whatever consequences I am given for my actions." I felt so sorry for him, because I knew that 1) He didn't know the root of where his anger was coming from and 2)Hyde faculty refused to acknowledge that he neede therapy/counseling rather than consequences and accountabilities. He became more and more voilent as the consequences were given, because his anger was built up with no safe outlet or release (therapy). I also remember a girl, she had a learning disorder, and her mother had been misinformed that Hyde was equipped to deal with kids with learning disbilities. She was also a cutter, so it was obvious that she repressed her feelings and kept things inside most of the time. I could see that she was having a hard time at the school, she took alot of things literally partly because of her learning disorder I'm assuming. She couln't tell time unless there were digital clocks around, so she was late to functions on the campus most of the time. When she told a staff member of her innability to tell time and attempted to advocate for herself by explaining her learning disability, she was told "Well, then you ask someone to teach you how to tell time so that you won't be late. Your a smart girl, and you can learn to tell time if you wanted to. You should stop trying to minipulate me or anyone else with your learning disorder, because you are as capable as everyone else here of doing everything that you are asked to do". I was shocked at this response that was not sympathetic in the least nor was it helpful for this girl to learn that all she could do about her inability of things was to find a way to cope at this school. The fact that she was a cutter also concerned me, because I knew that she would have to keep alot more things to herself at Hyde than she had at home. She was my roommate, and I remember hearing her cry in the middle of the night, and sometimes crying herself to sleep. The fact is that Hyde is incapable of dealing with kids who have emotional issues, which is the underlying causes of substance abuse for the most part. They are also incapable of dealing with kids who have learning disorders. In fact, as someone else here has said, I think that the only kid that Hyde is capable of dealing with is the kid who is defiant, has no emotional issues, and is acting out and needs to be sent to a bootcamp environment to straighten out. This unfortunately, applies to a very small percentage of the kids who are attending Hyde School.
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On 2006-01-21 15:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hyde has a 5 week program that kids can attend to see if they like the school, but it is actually required if summer is coming up. It takes place in the summer, and after the 5 weeks, Hyde makes the choice to accept you or not and the parents will decide if the school is right for their child. There is a fee for the summer program, though Im not sure what it was exactly. If your wondering if Hyde will accept certain students, I can tell you that they will accept anyone even if they were both mentally and physically retarded and/or had substance abuse issues. They will accept any kid who walks through their door. I came to this website to tell my story at Hyde in the most truthful and informative way I could, and I encourage anyone who has attended Hyde to do so as well. Alot of people here are being a little vague about their Hyde experience, and I encourage you to site specific experiences that you have had, as these will help parents who are considering Hyde to know what Hyde would be like for their child without the school giving them a vague outline of what it is like to be at Hyde. If you visit the Hyde website, you will see that they give a very vague description of what they have to offer to kids and what issues the kids have when they get there, as wel as if they are equipped to deal with those issues. If my parents and I had known what it was like at Hyde and if the staff had been truthful about what is was going to be like at the school's interview, I would have not even considered attending the summer challenge. I knew nothing about 2/4 at the interview, I knew nothing about their "accountabilities", I knew nothing about how kids were treated behind closed doors, when the parents were not around. I remember when it was towards the end of the summer challenge and the school was getting into heavy duty cleaning, organizing, and primping for Family Weekend when the parents would arrive. There was gourmet food set on to tables for the parents, the dorms were cleaned, but what was most eye-catching was how the staff and faculty started to get into their "relaxed care-free mood", a visage to appeal to the parents. They displayed no anger, no agression, no confrontations with any of the students on this particular day. I was relieved that no one had confronted me or any of the students on this day, but at the same time I kept in my mind thinking to myself "Is this really how truthful everyone here is? Is this there truthful philosphy that they hold themselves standard to?" And I knew that it wasn't. I knew that this is how they pulled so many parents in, with their discovery groups they appeared to offer free counseling group-therapy to parents and their child, when actually counseling isn't even a part of the Hyde School. So many kids come to this school to turn their lives around, with hope that they can gain confidence and motivation in themselves. When in fact, those feelings of inferiority or whatever they were dealing with pre-Hyde are suppressed deeper and deeper inside themselves when they learn that they have stop cold-turkey their bulimia, or cutting, or alcohol/drug abuse because there will be consequences at Hyde. I remember this one boy at Hyde who had serious anger issues that he had no control over. From what I knew of him, his parents were divorced and his mother had re-married a different man, which could have been the possible underlying issues of his anger. He grew up without a father, and his father was later replaced with a starnger. Understandable, right? But Hyde refuses to understamd cases like this, and when the boy got in fights at the school if someone rubbe dhim the wrong way, the faculty stated bluntly that he shall stop his violent acts against other kids or he was going to to be "held accountable". When the fights with other kids continued, the boy was asked what he planned to do about his agression if he were to attend the school. This was during discovery grups on family therapy, and everyone was listening. The boy said " I guess I will have to learn to stop my anger, I just don't know how. I guess I will have to face whatever consequences I am given for my actions." I felt so sorry for him, because I knew that 1) He didn't know the root of where his anger was coming from and 2)Hyde faculty refused to acknowledge that he neede therapy/counseling rather than consequences and accountabilities. He became more and more voilent as the consequences were given, because his anger was built up with no safe outlet or release (therapy). I also remember a girl, she had a learning disorder, and her mother had been misinformed that Hyde was equipped to deal with kids with learning disbilities. She was also a cutter, so it was obvious that she repressed her feelings and kept things inside most of the time. I could see that she was having a hard time at the school, she took alot of things literally partly because of her learning disorder I'm assuming. She couln't tell time unless there were digital clocks around, so she was late to functions on the campus most of the time. When she told a staff member of her innability to tell time and attempted to advocate for herself by explaining her learning disability, she was told "Well, then you ask someone to teach you how to tell time so that you won't be late. Your a smart girl, and you can learn to tell time if you wanted to. You should stop trying to minipulate me or anyone else with your learning disorder, because you are as capable as everyone else here of doing everything that you are asked to do". I was shocked at this response that was not sympathetic in the least nor was it helpful for this girl to learn that all she could do about her inability of things was to find a way to cope at this school. The fact that she was a cutter also concerned me, because I knew that she would have to keep alot more things to herself at Hyde than she had at home. She was my roommate, and I remember hearing her cry in the middle of the night, and sometimes crying herself to sleep. The fact is that Hyde is incapable of dealing with kids who have emotional issues, which is the underlying causes of substance abuse for the most part. They are also incapable of dealing with kids who have learning disorders. In fact, as someone else here has said, I think that the only kid that Hyde is capable of dealing with is the kid who is defiant, has no emotional issues, and is acting out and needs to be sent to a bootcamp environment to straighten out. This unfortunately, applies to a very small percentage of the kids who are attending Hyde School. "
I want you to know how much I appreciate your heartfelt comments about your miserable experience at the Hyde School. It pains me to read your accounts of the horrible experiences many kids have at Hyde, the insensitivity of many Hyde staff, and the school's terrible mishandling of students who have serious learning disabilities and mental health issues.
I am really impressed with your mature understanding of Hyde's remarkable flaws. You seem to have a lot of insight and sensitivity. I too witnessed many incidents similar to the ones you experienced; it took me awhile to figure out what you seem to have figured out. I can't begin to tell you how angry I am at Hyde's shortsighted and harmful treatment of many students. I am so pleased that you are sharing your opinions so that parents who are thinking about Hyde will have the benefit of your observations. You've performed an important service here. Thanks.
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Ditto that! A few people on this board bash Hyde but don't give examples like you. When I have time in the next few days, I will also write a story about some of my experiences and observations at Hyde.
Thanks for being so honest. Seems that those of us who are honest about the school are the ones Hyde considers failures.
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wow you say you have never heard of seguin it is one of the most feared places hyde sends tough students
i cannot belive any one afilliated with hyde and especcialy any student has not heard of this place i never went there but i was however sent to manna island for a socalled leadership trip
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it all depends on whether you went as part of the summer program or as an attemp to mentally break you
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The school ethcis include No SEX.
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On 2006-01-21 15:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hyde has a 5 week program that kids can attend to see if they like the school, but it is actually required if summer is coming up. It takes place in the summer, and after the 5 weeks, Hyde makes the choice to accept you or not and the parents will decide if the school is right for their child. There is a fee for the summer program, though Im not sure what it was exactly. If your wondering if Hyde will accept certain students, I can tell you that they will accept anyone even if they were both mentally and physically retarded and/or had substance abuse issues. They will accept any kid who walks through their door. I came to this website to tell my story at Hyde in the most truthful and informative way I could, and I encourage anyone who has attended Hyde to do so as well. Alot of people here are being a little vague about their Hyde experience, and I encourage you to site specific experiences that you have had, as these will help parents who are considering Hyde to know what Hyde would be like for their child without the school giving them a vague outline of what it is like to be at Hyde. If you visit the Hyde website, you will see that they give a very vague description of what they have to offer to kids and what issues the kids have when they get there, as wel as if they are equipped to deal with those issues. If my parents and I had known what it was like at Hyde and if the staff had been truthful about what is was going to be like at the school's interview, I would have not even considered attending the summer challenge. I knew nothing about 2/4 at the interview, I knew nothing about their "accountabilities", I knew nothing about how kids were treated behind closed doors, when the parents were not around. I remember when it was towards the end of the summer challenge and the school was getting into heavy duty cleaning, organizing, and primping for Family Weekend when the parents would arrive. There was gourmet food set on to tables for the parents, the dorms were cleaned, but what was most eye-catching was how the staff and faculty started to get into their "relaxed care-free mood", a visage to appeal to the parents. They displayed no anger, no agression, no confrontations with any of the students on this particular day. I was relieved that no one had confronted me or any of the students on this day, but at the same time I kept in my mind thinking to myself "Is this really how truthful everyone here is? Is this there truthful philosphy that they hold themselves standard to?" And I knew that it wasn't. I knew that this is how they pulled so many parents in, with their discovery groups they appeared to offer free counseling group-therapy to parents and their child, when actually counseling isn't even a part of the Hyde School. So many kids come to this school to turn their lives around, with hope that they can gain confidence and motivation in themselves. When in fact, those feelings of inferiority or whatever they were dealing with pre-Hyde are suppressed deeper and deeper inside themselves when they learn that they have stop cold-turkey their bulimia, or cutting, or alcohol/drug abuse because there will be consequences at Hyde. I remember this one boy at Hyde who had serious anger issues that he had no control over. From what I knew of him, his parents were divorced and his mother had re-married a different man, which could have been the possible underlying issues of his anger. He grew up without a father, and his father was later replaced with a starnger. Understandable, right? But Hyde refuses to understamd cases like this, and when the boy got in fights at the school if someone rubbe dhim the wrong way, the faculty stated bluntly that he shall stop his violent acts against other kids or he was going to to be "held accountable". When the fights with other kids continued, the boy was asked what he planned to do about his agression if he were to attend the school. This was during discovery grups on family therapy, and everyone was listening. The boy said " I guess I will have to learn to stop my anger, I just don't know how. I guess I will have to face whatever consequences I am given for my actions." I felt so sorry for him, because I knew that 1) He didn't know the root of where his anger was coming from and 2)Hyde faculty refused to acknowledge that he neede therapy/counseling rather than consequences and accountabilities. He became more and more voilent as the consequences were given, because his anger was built up with no safe outlet or release (therapy). I also remember a girl, she had a learning disorder, and her mother had been misinformed that Hyde was equipped to deal with kids with learning disbilities. She was also a cutter, so it was obvious that she repressed her feelings and kept things inside most of the time. I could see that she was having a hard time at the school, she took alot of things literally partly because of her learning disorder I'm assuming. She couln't tell time unless there were digital clocks around, so she was late to functions on the campus most of the time. When she told a staff member of her innability to tell time and attempted to advocate for herself by explaining her learning disability, she was told "Well, then you ask someone to teach you how to tell time so that you won't be late. Your a smart girl, and you can learn to tell time if you wanted to. You should stop trying to minipulate me or anyone else with your learning disorder, because you are as capable as everyone else here of doing everything that you are asked to do". I was shocked at this response that was not sympathetic in the least nor was it helpful for this girl to learn that all she could do about her inability of things was to find a way to cope at this school. The fact that she was a cutter also concerned me, because I knew that she would have to keep alot more things to herself at Hyde than she had at home. She was my roommate, and I remember hearing her cry in the middle of the night, and sometimes crying herself to sleep. The fact is that Hyde is incapable of dealing with kids who have emotional issues, which is the underlying causes of substance abuse for the most part. They are also incapable of dealing with kids who have learning disorders. In fact, as someone else here has said, I think that the only kid that Hyde is capable of dealing with is the kid who is defiant, has no emotional issues, and is acting out and needs to be sent to a bootcamp environment to straighten out. This unfortunately, applies to a very small percentage of the kids who are attending Hyde School. "
Like you, I can't trust Hyde staff. I can't trust that what they show parents is an accurate reflection of what happens day to day with the students. I can't trust that their staff are competent to handle the complicated issues their students have. I can't trust that staff won't be emotionally abusive or mistreat students. I can't trust that senior administrators at Hyde won't go "off" and yell at students and parents, lay head trips on them using all those simple Hyde sayings, and manipulate them. I can't trust that my child's needs will be met at Hyde. I've learned so much this year about all the problems at Hyde and the staff's lack of skill in so many areas. It's amazing to talk with so many parents who have similar concerns. We started at Hyde by trusting the school and its staff. We tried hard to do what the school asked us to do. We never challenged the rules or expectations. Now my trust is gone. Completely gone. And I know many other parents who feel the same way.
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LIKE YOU, I DO NOT AND NEVER HAVE TRUSTED HYDE. MY OLDEST SON WAS ENROLLED THERE WITHOUT MY PERMISSION BY MY HUSBAND (WHOM I AM SEPERATED FROM). I, AFTER EXTENSIVE RESEARCH BEGGED FOR HIM NOT TO BE PLACED THERE, EVEN WENT TO COURT. END OF THE STORY, HE DID ATTEND HYDE, AND NOW HAS BEEN ASKED TO LEAVE (CIRCUMSTANCES TO KNOWLEDGE UNKNOWN). MY QUESTION TO ANYONE WHO CAN ANSWER - WHAT NOW HAPPENS WITH THE TUITION THAT THEY SO READILY TOOK? I HAVE READ ON SEVERAL OTHER POSTS AND IN MY REASEARCH THAT THERE IS A NO REFUND POLICY? IS THIS TRUE? AND IF THE ANSWER IS YES, IS THERE A WAY TO FIGHT IT? I AM SO ANGRY, AND YET NOT SURPRISED AT THE OUTCOME OF THIS STORY. THIS FACILITY SHOULD NOT EVEN BE UP AND RUNNING. I AM SO GLAD HE IS OUT OF THERE, BUT NOW AM LEFT WITH THE REALITY OF A LOST YEAR, AND NOW TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT COMES NEXT? ANYBODY CARE TO RESPOND...........
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On 2006-01-28 18:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"LIKE YOU, I DO NOT AND NEVER HAVE TRUSTED HYDE. MY OLDEST SON WAS ENROLLED THERE WITHOUT MY PERMISSION BY MY HUSBAND (WHOM I AM SEPERATED FROM). I, AFTER EXTENSIVE RESEARCH BEGGED FOR HIM NOT TO BE PLACED THERE, EVEN WENT TO COURT. END OF THE STORY, HE DID ATTEND HYDE, AND NOW HAS BEEN ASKED TO LEAVE (CIRCUMSTANCES TO KNOWLEDGE UNKNOWN). MY QUESTION TO ANYONE WHO CAN ANSWER - WHAT NOW HAPPENS WITH THE TUITION THAT THEY SO READILY TOOK? I HAVE READ ON SEVERAL OTHER POSTS AND IN MY REASEARCH THAT THERE IS A NO REFUND POLICY? IS THIS TRUE? AND IF THE ANSWER IS YES, IS THERE A WAY TO FIGHT IT? I AM SO ANGRY, AND YET NOT SURPRISED AT THE OUTCOME OF THIS STORY. THIS FACILITY SHOULD NOT EVEN BE UP AND RUNNING. I AM SO GLAD HE IS OUT OF THERE, BUT NOW AM LEFT WITH THE REALITY OF A LOST YEAR, AND NOW TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT COMES NEXT? ANYBODY CARE TO RESPOND..........."
Forget your tuition unless you are willing to hire an attorney and sue! Most people don't find it worth the trouble, but the only way to change this policy of throwing kids out and keeping the monies is for parents to stand up to Hyde and say enough is enough! Hyde makes a lot of income from this scam!
I would also write to the NEASC attn Bill Bennett, http://www.neasc.org/ (http://www.neasc.org/) . This is the only association Hyde answers to. Although they are strictly an association that only recommends, but doesn't enforce. it will make a difference if they get enough complaints. Hyde would not want to lose the association with this organization.
Unfortunately there is not a governmentt board that polices programs like Hyde. If there were, half of what you read could not happen!
You are in the same mess as many other people. Again I recommend that you stand up for what is right, rather than help Hyde continue to ripping families off.
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students are not allowed to have sex but it does not prevent them from doing so, the school would rather live a a world of denial, i once spoke to the nurses asking them why they did not make contraceptives avalible if students are having sex anyways ( some have gotten pregnant or contracted STD's) they said that they did not want to talk about it for fear that they would get in trouble.
if students are caught with condoms they are punished under a vauge rule called "spirit of the law" this states that if you have any parafinallia, condoms included, that you are intending to break a rule, thus already giulty.
I have a major problem with this and have talked to some staff members in the past, my efforts were futile. I simply said that if people are going to have sex anyways then condoms shouls be provided or we should at least be able to own them. they did not like this proposition and would rather live in a world where health of their students takes a backseat to "truth"
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the school will not tell you the actul truth, they are trying to get your money
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I am a student and when i had sex with my boyfriend my first year, they made me recant all the insignificant details, it was totally humiliating. this happend countless times, just this year a few students were put on 2-4 for not even having sex. it is not uncommon for students to adress the school for sexdual infractions. In seminars i have been in many groups where people are pressured by near strangers to talk about tramatic sexual and physical abuse. just recently my friend was urged after a half an hour to retell a tramatic rape story in front of a group of males she was unfirmiliar with. i was outraged, one of the group members was told about the rape in confidence and assured he would not tell anyone, he then brought it up in the group and she was pressured to tell the details. my friend was humiliated
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On 2006-04-19 05:19:00, mansion dweller wrote:
" I am a student and when i had sex with my boyfriend my first year, they made me recant all the insignificant details, it was totally humiliating. this happend countless times, just this year a few students were put on 2-4 for not even having sex. it is not uncommon for students to adress the school for sexdual infractions. In seminars i have been in many groups where people are pressured by near strangers to talk about tramatic sexual and physical abuse. just recently my friend was urged after a half an hour to retell a tramatic rape story in front of a group of males she was unfirmiliar with. i was outraged, one of the group members was told about the rape in confidence and assured he would not tell anyone, he then brought it up in the group and she was pressured to tell the details. my friend was humiliated"
This happened to me too. I was pressured beyond belief to tell a bunch of strangers the most personal details of my life. the Hyde person who was running the group had no idea how to handle this sort of thing. I think she must have been given brief instruction and thrown into that room to deal with stuff that only a real therapist should be talking to us about. Hyde should be put out of business for letting this kind of thing happen over and over again. It's corrupt.
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oh---you, whomever you sad individual are, must not have a life. how sad for you, and how much anger you carry inside...
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cant believe a father died at woodstock