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Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: Anonymous on October 20, 2005, 11:54:00 PM
anyone else wondering if Johns a little nervous about all this controversy and how much his program sux

http://cfs.fmhi.usf.edu/projects/AStart ... sbrief.pdf (http://cfs.fmhi.usf.edu/projects/AStartDocs/pressbrief.pdf)



http://www.bazelon.org/newsroom/10-18-05briefing.htm (http://www.bazelon.org/newsroom/10-18-05briefing.htm)
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: Anonymous on October 21, 2005, 12:17:00 AM
one MMS story out in public, we need more!
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: Anonymous on October 21, 2005, 10:16:00 AM
It wasn't so "public" The name of the school was never mentioned, just the STATE.
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: katfish on October 21, 2005, 04:37:00 PM
yea, that was a disappointing sacrifice for me, but necessary for what 'A Start' is doing...in due time, though... this is only the beginning.

Also, things haven't picked up in terms of bi-partisan support for this industry wide problem and the conference in DC was not really covered by the media, I suspect, b/c it's just not scandolous news...NY times etc has already covered to some degree the abuses and agregious treatment of kids w/in many of these facilties, but so maybe this is 'old news' in a way...but interviews are being given and mental health professionals are publicly speaking out, hopefully this will bring about awarness and support...just one step at a time, y'know?  keep fingers crossed though, and if anyone wants to help out too send me a message.  The more the merrier!
[ This Message was edited by: katfish on 2005-10-22 21:30 ]
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: Anonymous on October 21, 2005, 04:44:00 PM
if you do a google search for kathryn whitehead your linked to this site at least, so someone may connect the dots. I hope people hear about this place though.
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: Anonymous on October 21, 2005, 08:26:00 PM
The POINT was Kat: don't over-reach and make statements that aren't completely valid, OK? Think we have all had enough of THAT.
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: katfish on October 21, 2005, 09:08:00 PM
huh?
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: katfish on October 21, 2005, 09:21:00 PM
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On 2005-10-21 17:26:00, Anonymous wrote:

"The POINT was Kat: don't over-reach and make statements that aren't completely valid, OK? Think we have all had enough of THAT."


What I meant to say was- huh?  what have i said that's not 'completely' valid?
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2005, 01:05:00 PM
http://www.sltrib.com/search/ci_3130174 (http://www.sltrib.com/search/ci_3130174)

Kathryn Whitehead went to Mission Mountain School- too bad they didn't interview Mercer!  Only the WWASPS guy
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: katfish on October 23, 2005, 12:24:00 AM
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On 2005-10-21 18:21:00, katfish wrote:

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On 2005-10-21 17:26:00, Anonymous wrote:


"The POINT was Kat: don't over-reach and make statements that aren't completely valid, OK? Think we have all had enough of THAT."




What I meant to say was- huh?  what have i said that's not 'completely' valid?"


Sorry B- I get it, your not talking to me directly I guess, just the fact that the name was not public and that was an over reaching statement, I guess...
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: Anonymous on October 23, 2005, 02:26:00 PM
Good for you Kat! Keep up the good work!
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: Anonymous on October 23, 2005, 02:47:00 PM
Don't worry, Kat, you don't have to justify yourself to anyone. You know what you are doing is the right thing and that you are doing it with a good heart. Your intent is to help kids from being abused in residential treatment facilities, boot camps, behavior modification programs, etc., etc., etc.

You are always going to have those who will have something negative to say, no matter what. Just remember what you are doing and why, keep focused, always tell the truth, as I know you do, and you go get 'em, girl!!!!

~ Your friend ~
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: BarnardlyB on October 23, 2005, 09:30:00 PM
Hey Kat,
Actually that wasn't me....
Sorry.
I find it interesting everyone wants to point the finger at me when people have an over reaction.
Sorry but point elsewhere...

Feeling frustrated and hurt by you guys....just cause i support the school, doesn't give you all the the right to jump on me all the time and assume comments are made by me....
I gladly have and gladly will post my name with what I say.
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: Anonymous on October 23, 2005, 11:35:00 PM
Betsy,

its so funny that your so quick to respond. You must be checking all this out every day. or maybe hour. Writing anonomously and then claim its not you.  :nworthy:
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: Anonymous on October 23, 2005, 11:37:00 PM
oh yeah and if Kat was mentioning my name falsely accusing me I would be like what (*^&(& man! Don't be saying my name. But your just too dandy sweet.
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: katfish on October 24, 2005, 01:00:00 AM
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On 2005-10-23 18:30:00, BarnardlyB wrote:

"Hey Kat,

Actually that wasn't me....

Sorry.

I find it interesting everyone wants to point the finger at me when people have an over reaction.

Sorry but point elsewhere...



Feeling frustrated and hurt by you guys....just cause i support the school, doesn't give you all the the right to jump on me all the time and assume comments are made by me....

I gladly have and gladly will post my name with what I say.

"


Sorry, B, didn't mean to assume and didn't think that the reply seemed over-reactionary anyway.  I didn't even think about it- I guess I thought it just sounded like you... my bad
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: Anonymous on October 24, 2005, 03:18:00 PM
Why jump all over Betsy? Kat did direct her response to "B" didn't she?
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: Anonymous on October 24, 2005, 09:43:00 PM
Just wanted to jump in and say I love the title of this topic. I bet he is!  :razz:
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: BarnardlyB on October 24, 2005, 11:13:00 PM
hahaha....
anon your soo funny...
good thing i don't have the same old responses i used to have huh???

yeah i check....every couple days.
And no it really wasn't me....like I said im more then happy to post my name. that part doesn't scare me...

("The POINT was Kat: don't over-reach and make statements that aren't completely valid, OK? Think we have all had enough of THAT.")

This comment actually suprized me cuase Kat you haven't said anything that wasn't true....esp since that was your experience and it truly did get worse..
I truly believe this debate and your feelings about the school, Kat, are the reasons we can't find many of the girls I personally went to school with.


are you sure youll be happy to have me??? seems to me your the one fighting with me on another forum...???

I am suprised no one has posted on myspace...since they all claim to love the school and support it full on. They even give Kerry a hard time.....just weird to me.
I don't think i can truly join your group and be against the school. But i can join the boat when it comes to regulation of boarding schools. It would be nice to have someone say that a noncertified therapist can not come in and make us do things physically that we don't want to do or even can't do. I remember girls with there asthma and not being able to breath but being told they were full of it and had to do the task at hand anyway.

[ This Message was edited by: BarnardlyB on 2005-10-24 20:16 ]
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: katfish on October 25, 2005, 12:51:00 AM
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On 2005-10-24 20:13:00, BarnardlyB

I truly believe this debate and your feelings about the school, Kat, are the reasons we can't find many of the girls I personally went to school with.

Why do u think that?  I'm not the only one with these feelings...



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But i can join the boat when it comes to regulation of boarding schools. It would be nice to have someone say that a noncertified therapist can not come in and make us do things physically that we don't want to do or even can't do. I remember girls with there asthma and not being able to breath but being told they were full of it and had to do the task at hand anyway.


Please do!!  Things like that aren't cool (asthma) and numerous other problematic aspects of MMS...B, no one is saying places like MMS don't have their place, but kids need to also not live in constant terror, or obligated to do labor/excersize in the name of therapy or when they have asthma, etc.  Those are areas that require extreme caution- I think places like MMS can work, if kids need it (care should be offered by the least restrictive methods possible to produce results) but w/o many of the components of MMS...like some the themes and ideas behind it were great, and done by the right people can probably work miracles, but when places like MMS hurt kids, even say.. 25% of the kids they are intended to treat, then we have a serious problem that needs to be addressed.  Something, in that instance, is not right, despite the fact that some kids may leave and be of the opinion that MMS truly saved their lives...
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: BarnardlyB on October 25, 2005, 12:57:00 AM
"Why do u think that? I'm not the only one with these feelings..."

thats my point K, many girls i went to school with can't be found and I think it is because they don't agree with the method of MMS and feel as if they were abused and so forth.
Not saying its a bad thing

Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.
--Isaac Asimov, Russian-born American author

Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: BarnardlyB on October 25, 2005, 12:57:00 AM
"Why do u think that? I'm not the only one with these feelings..."

thats my point K, many girls i went to school with can't be found and I think it is because they don't agree with the method of MMS and feel as if they were abused and so forth.
Not saying its a bad thing

I think that all right-thinking people in this country are sick and tired of being told that ordinary, decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired.  I'm certainly not!  But I'm sick and tired of being told that I am!  
-- Monty Python

Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: katfish on October 25, 2005, 01:02:00 AM
yea, I suspect the same too- esp. older girls.  There's one girl that I really wish I could get a hold of- Sam was her name...she was really made fun of and treated badly by both Mike and John- I really liked her...There are a good number of girls that I really think may not be with us anymore as well.
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: katfish on October 25, 2005, 01:05:00 AM
Hey B-

I just wanted to ask you one thing, I know u prolly went over this already- sorry if repetetive, but did you ever feel fear at MMS- fear about doing things wrong, about not being able to go home, etc?  And also, did you notice that to be different now?  

Sometimes it sounds like you didn't think fear was abig part of MMS, but truthfully I can't imagine that b/c I was so terrified while there...I just would like to think that maybe some of that element has died down b/c I really would never want any kid to have to live like that....
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: BarnardlyB on October 25, 2005, 01:12:00 AM
Hey Kat,

Yeah fear was huge!!!!
I actually still talk to alumni about it at times.
I didn't stop being scared of the school till I interned there. that was a good 4-5 years later.
For example, I have never been as stressed out or scared of having to pee in my life.
I remember it was my last summer and this girl had to pee she was crying. I asked for a break cuase I was the "leader" or whatever and girls were asking me to and when I did.....ohhhhh did i get it. I was in BBBBBIIIIIIGGGGGGGG trouble. Yet no one stood up or said....uh i asked her to ask you john, cuase I was to scared to ask myself.

I don't think the fear is such a huge factor now only becuase the girls are now watched by the secondary staff all the time and johns simply, as it seems, the school head.
Also girls have more freedom...
They are allowed to dress as they wish and I think even the food plan is 5 times less stricked cause the girls i noticed at the reunion were alot bigger than the I or the girls i went to school with were.


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Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: Anonymous on October 25, 2005, 12:57:00 PM
Betsy,

I am the ANon that wrote sassy comments to you. I apoligize for pointing fingers at you. I guess I have not gotten to know you either I just tend to get a little carried away Us verses THEM I am surprised by your responce handling things marurely. Honestly I don't want to fight or argue with anyone I just want everyone to see my side of things because I am one of those girls who had hell at that school!
 It's hard to be in my position having girls not care about what the school did because "they've moved on", because "they believe mms is anything but harmful", because "they really don't care".I am most upset with those who wish to ignore the whole issue all together because that's  an example of how society is today. "If it's not my problem I am not going to bother with it". While were here chatting about mms now There is another generation being created.. where we will be the old folks and they will be the teenagers following after our foot steps. We need to fight for what is right. Are these type of schools going to increase here in the united states? or are going to help society find a better way to help these children?
I do also find it strange that you posted the comment on myspace and no one has responded.I know most of those girls and I would assume that they would jump on the subjedt as soon as you wrote it. But they will probably comment back and say "there's no need to argue". Argue, Talk whatever it takes to set things right. If they had their heart on that school they would do atleast that.
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: Anonymous on October 28, 2005, 12:00:00 AM
Anon,
I was wondering if we went to school together???
What years did you attend.
Seems as if you know me but I don't know you. Please PM me and hopefully we can stop this battle, of sassy comments and the back and forth.
MMS was hard for me if not more so....youre right not to many people likes me till my third year and than I finally "got it".

Hoping we can find support for eachother, and yes i am sweet. Im not the Betsy you knew or know....im different now.

Please PM me and hopefully we can talk
B
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: Anonymous on February 28, 2006, 11:15:00 PM
What is funny is that to make a class action thing get under way all you need is 25 people. The hard part is that the statute of limitation is waaay over. You can go with breach of contract, but your parents would have to file and you can go up to 8 year beyond statute of limitations. Dont know. I have mixed feelings. John Mercer should be shot, if it werent for the law I would kill him. But for the legal reasons behind it I wont do it. Everyone else was helpful.

Sincerely,

SM

Please check Kelly Matheson. She is now an attorney in Oregon. She taught at the school and left for ethical reasons
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: Anonymous on February 28, 2006, 11:26:00 PM
Don't know you Betsy, but heard about you. I was there after you had left. I agree with what your saying. At the same time, you can always look at the fact that people assume anyone being completely honest is you. That is somewhat of a compliment. (I am not kissing your ass. I have read a lot of your posts and respect your opinion)
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: Anonymous on February 28, 2006, 11:28:00 PM
were you at MMS in 96ish?
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: Anonymous on February 28, 2006, 11:34:00 PM
When you interned at MMS you were just as bad as the other staff. Remember intervention?? It was horrible. You watched what happened to Blair there, you sat by John's side and preached. That seemed OK to you? I remember you, how you damaged people. Do you remember me? You seemed like a bully then, and you were "all grown up" the perfect little MMS spokesperson. How can you say that you felt fear as a student, and then strive to instill it in the students. WHY HAS NO ONE SAID THIS BEFORE???? You were more concerned with John's approval (even as an adult) and successfully completeting your internship than the students- your fellow human beings. I have pictures of you standing around as Blair was humiliated and emotionally ripped apart. You are in the background chatting with Carla with a lively smile on your face.

You make me sick. I can't listen to anymore of your garbage. You are so full of shit, even John would call it out. Gimme a f-ing break.

MMS Survivor
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: Anonymous on February 28, 2006, 11:35:00 PM
the above is directed at Betsy.
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: katfish on March 01, 2006, 09:30:00 AM
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On 2006-02-28 20:15:00, Anonymous wrote:

"What is funny is that to make a class action thing get under way all you need is 25 people. The hard part is that the statute of limitation is waaay over. You can go with breach of contract, but your parents would have to file and you can go up to 8 year beyond statute of limitations. Dont know. I have mixed feelings. John Mercer should be shot, if it werent for the law I would kill him. But for the legal reasons behind it I wont do it. Everyone else was helpful.


Sincerely,



SM

Please check Kelly Matheson. She is now an attorney in Oregon. She taught at the school and left for ethical reasons"


Sarah Matheson, it that you?????????????? While I agree that some were ok, read:kind- like gary, they were also negligent and like everyone else sat by and accepted our mistreatment..then you had John and Mike, at least during my time, and they were siply cruel, cruel, cruel...what you saif of Blair is so MMS, I do believe Betsy's behavior as an intern empitomizes the outcome when one fully embraces MMS values.
[ This Message was edited by: katfish on 2006-03-01 06:38 ]
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: BarnardlyB on March 01, 2006, 11:38:00 PM
"When you interned at MMS you were just as bad as the other staff. Remember intervention?? It was horrible. You watched what happened to Blair there, you sat by John's side and preached. That seemed OK to you? I remember you, how you damaged people. Do you remember me? You seemed like a bully then, and you were "all grown up" the perfect little MMS spokesperson. How can you say that you felt fear as a student, and then strive to instill it in the students. WHY HAS NO ONE SAID THIS BEFORE???? You were more concerned with John's approval (even as an adult) and successfully completeting your internship than the students- your fellow human beings. I have pictures of you standing around as Blair was humiliated and emotionally ripped apart. You are in the background chatting with Carla with a lively smile on your face.
You make me sick. I can't listen to anymore of your garbage. You are so full of shit, even John would call it out. Gimme a f-ing break.
MMS Survivor"



Dear Anon,
I don't know your name, so I don't specifically remember who you are but there is only one person who comes to mind.
I'm soo sorry you are so angry at me. I didn't purposefully or malicously treat you girls in anyway.
My internship wasn't about me being a staff....technically, according to John I wasn't a "Staff" I was to stand by and watch,....interact with you girls some and that was about it. As far as I remember thats all I did. My internship wasn't about calling out John or correcting him as he addressed you girls.......
Honestly, and I know this isn't an excuse, yet I knew NO OTHER WAY. I didn't even know there was a right or wrong way or even about credentials, till about  a year ago when I found Kat and this site.
Interventions, god I was on so many during my stay that the ONE you went on was a norm to me. The way you were talked to was everyday at MMS. Im not trying to justify what I did, yet hoping you will understand. Having been a student there and coming back to a somewhat laid back MMS, I thought you got it easy for what it was when I was there. Remember, I was a student, and I was a student when ALL  founding staff was involved in day to day. I hardly ever went  to school, or only did a 25 mile bike ride for an activity.....try 50 or more.
I know we all have our stories and once again im sorry.
Honestly, the only acceptence I was looking for was from no one. The John I knew at MMS as an intern was 100% different John than I knew as a student.
At that time in my life I had asked to be an intern, so to get my life straight. I had been though quite a bit since MMS, and I needed a break. I had been raped not even a year after MMS, my mom treated me like shit and life was real bad....I needed  way to get away ................MMS was my out.

" I have pictures of you standing around as Blair was humiliated and emotionally ripped apart. You are in the background chatting with Carla with a lively smile on your face."

If i was in the background talking to a fellow staff, than in no way was I apart of the conversation.
Nor was it my job to correct John.

 "You watched what happened to Blair there, you sat by John's side and preached. That seemed OK to you?"

Once again Honestly, and its no excuse I know, yet I knew no other way. I was a scapegoat at MMS as was Blair.....I knew what she was going through.

Also, to add to that HOW DARE YOU try and put the blame on me as to what happened to Blair, as if I could have helped her from killing herself. YOU CAN GO AND SUCK IT!!!!!!!!!!

I have talked to Blaire many times before she died, and, still talk to Chris, her boyfrriend at the time.
Our stories were similar before, during and even after MMS, and not once, NOT FUCKING ONCE.....did she ever blame me or talk to me in such way......who do you think you are???!!!!!!!!! who are you???
as words wisely spoken from Metallica
"don't judge, yet thee be jugded themself" hope it makes sence for  simple minds.....
Go ahead think im full of shit, feel free, we all obviously have our own opinion. Yet for your sake I hope you seek out help.
B


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Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: Anonymous on March 02, 2006, 01:17:00 AM
I never blamed you for Blairs death. I actually think it's pretty arrogant of you to even say something like that. I stated that I thought it was an intersting commentary on MMS in general. Blair was amazing. Chris is a great guy, too. I also talk to him. Betsy, I want you to figure a few things out. You seem to have absolutely no concrete personal opinion. How many years has it been since you left MMS? How many days a week are you on this forum? It appears that every time you make a statement it's incredibly appologetic. I feel badly for the way you must feel inside. so conflicted, guilty maybe?


And for ANYONE who ever went to MMS to throw an expression out there like, "Get help..." disgusting. That's such a derrogatory statement.

Who do you think I am, I'm sure your wrong.

MMS Survivor
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: katfish on March 02, 2006, 11:22:00 AM
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On 2006-02-28 20:34:00, Anonymous wrote:

" How can you say that you felt fear as a student, and then strive to instill it in the students. WHY HAS NO ONE SAID THIS BEFORE????
MMS Survivor"


100% agree

also, it was said at some point by Besty  I bleive that b/c primary staff is not involved in MMS day to day the same kind of scare tactics are no longer used...I will say, I never had any problems with secondary staff, except maybe felt a litte fearful of...Carla?  soe young recent grad.  I also feared Donna but only b/c she did the white glove test on chorse that meant someone would get 'called back' and ultimtaly result in indvidual or group 'consequence.'  Failure was often inevitable, until you mastered the MMS 'bullshitting' craft.
Anyway- does this not concern you, Betsy, or anyone- that the person who RUNS the school, who is on the NATSAP board, who seeks legitimacy has been such a major terror in our lives ?  And the absurdity to claim MMS is ok b/c John is not involved makes zero sense...at any moment he can get involved.  AND HE'S already involved!  Maybe not day to day, but does this make sense????  

I do think John is sick-- he takes arrogance to a different sphere...he was sadistic...he was also ignorant and uneducated...So, while you can always educate yourself, does your ethical code every change?  Esp when HE spent so many years telling us to take 'accountability', it doesn't sound like he's been willing or capable of extend the courtesy back to those he damaged and dehumanized.


And, for the record, I used to love Metallica (older stuff though), until I found James Hefield is an idiot.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051226/bayoumi (http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051226/bayoumi)
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: BarnardlyB on March 02, 2006, 11:49:00 AM
Im sorry you think im arrogant for my reply, yet I wasn't the only one with the same response.
Actually you might want to go back and read all my posts because I have plenty of concrete personal opionions.

Im sorry your life isn't going well for you right now. Im also sorry you feel the need to project your issues onto me.
My life is stable....Im well done with the figuring out life after MMS stage and maybe you should start focusing on that. It seems you need the time. So, stop take a deep breath and look at your own life and figure it out.

Kat and I have been throught this many times. Yes im conflicted, yes, I don't get the topics sometimes, but Im dealing with that. How are you dealing??? or is blame a good way for you. And once again. I hope you seek out help for your own sake.
B
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: Anonymous on March 02, 2006, 01:38:00 PM
don't ever try to assume that I have any problems with my life. I have become a very successful person by dealing with opinions and feelings in the moment, not lashing out later or using some bizarre form of passive-aggresivism. Do we still judge stability and emotional well being in personal success? If that's so, then I am doing very well. I'll be a doctor soon, practicing emergency medicine. I've spent the last 2 yrs working with the dpt of health and human services on various national relief projects such as hurricane katrina. Yes, I'm only 21.

But I think to gauge personal success of academic credentials and economic achievements is wrong. Very wrong. It's such a MMS style of thinking; That external validations are an appropriate means of evaluating emotional well-being. How do I know I am successful DESPITE (not because) my MMS experiance? I am comfortable in my own skin. I have no problem reviewing my own problems and working on them. I do not have some bizarre need to defend a place that traumatized me. I do not feel the need to buffer any criticism of the place with a compulsory, "But it saved my life!!!" or "I learned so much about myself!!!" and an outpouring of false gratitude. Nor do I feel the need to return there for "closure" and work there.

You defend your internship with statements like, "Hey, I just stood there and watched." or "I was supposed to learn from the experiance." Sounds eerily familiar, doesn't it? Kinda like the Christians in NAZI germany? Or like many other people who stood by during national genocide becuase it didn't affect them. Apartheid?? Sound familiar? This is your defense?

Fine, no problem. At least I have my answer. Now I understand why you could stand there and watch. You are okay with complacency and ignorance.

MMS Survivor
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: Anonymous on March 02, 2006, 04:51:00 PM
I was with you all the way sister...that was until you said you are only 21 and almost a doctor.  Does this include your med school and residency...interesting.  You just completely discredited yourself.  I don't care what you do for a living, this is irrelevant.  What is relevant is honesty and unless your Doogie Howser, a 21 year old emergency room physician is impossible.
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: Anonymous on March 02, 2006, 10:24:00 PM
soon, meanin g I'll be starting residency soon( 1 yr.), a 7 yr med program at my university had me starting med school my jr yr at college.
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: Anonymous on March 02, 2006, 10:25:00 PM
and unless things have changed, MD is pronounced Medical Doctor.... you just aren't board certified yet.
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: BarnardlyB on March 28, 2006, 03:19:00 PM
"But I think to gauge personal success of academic credentials and economic achievements is wrong. Very wrong. It's such a MMS style of thinking"

maybe you should figure somethings out.
If you really think MMS gauged success on academic achievements....then you really didn't get it. I don't remember anyone going on homevisits or leaving becuase they got straight A's.  At least the MMS I went to academics were the last thing on anyones mind. We hardly went to school. Achievement were based on physical and emotional success.

Im actually hardly on this site....If you truly believe your life is well, than good. Yet it seems you still have a lot of issues to work out.  Im glad your doing so well, and have turned around to try and save others lives. Good luck with that. If this is Sam S, here you are defending your life and giving me hard time about blaire, yet why is it that no one knew you were friends since you were little. Why is it only when she passed did we all learn about your bond???
iF this is Annick, don't give me ahard time about your time at MMS. You were one of the hardest girls there and you were so hard and mean to Blaire. Why not calm down a bit and not try and act so differently and just be differnent.

 "do not have some bizarre need to defend a place that traumatized me. "
good, but I don't beleive MMS tramatized me....therefore i defend it.


"You defend your internship with statements like, "Hey, I just stood there and watched." or "I was supposed to learn from the experiance."
If it was so bad, and you were being tramatized why didn't you say something when john was being so mean, and rude.
I watched a room full of girls be put to there knees in tears, myself included, when john told a new girl what her parents really died of.
A girl stood up and told him off.......it does happen, people do stand up....did you??? will you???
As  student I right before I left I too stood up the staff and was sent on a personal solo....during a intervention. Anygirl that was there will remember...Don't tell me what I should ahve done when you didn't do anything and your not doing anyhting to better what you think is wrong........
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: BarnardlyB on March 28, 2006, 03:20:00 PM
"But I think to gauge personal success of academic credentials and economic achievements is wrong. Very wrong. It's such a MMS style of thinking"

maybe you should figure somethings out.
If you really think MMS gauged success on academic achievements....then you really didn't get it. I don't remember anyone going on homevisits or leaving becuase they got straight A's.  At least the MMS I went to academics were the last thing on anyones mind. We hardly went to school. Achievement were based on physical and emotional success.

Im actually hardly on this site....If you truly believe your life is well, than good. Yet it seems you still have a lot of issues to work out.  Im glad your doing so well, and have turned around to try and save others lives. Good luck with that. If this is Sam S, here you are defending your life and giving me hard time about blaire, yet why is it that no one knew you were friends since you were little. Why is it only when she passed did we all learn about your bond???
iF this is Annick, don't give me ahard time about your time at MMS. You were one of the hardest girls there and you were so hard and mean to Blaire. Why not calm down a bit and not try and act so differently and just be differnent.

 "do not have some bizarre need to defend a place that traumatized me. "
good, but I don't beleive MMS tramatized me....therefore i defend it.


"You defend your internship with statements like, "Hey, I just stood there and watched." or "I was supposed to learn from the experiance."
If it was so bad, and you were being tramatized why didn't you say something when john was being so mean, and rude.
I watched a room full of girls be put to there knees in tears, myself included, when john told a new girl what her parents really died of.
A girl stood up and told him off.......it does happen, people do stand up....did you??? will you???
As  student I right before I left I too stood up the staff and was sent on a personal solo....during a intervention. Anygirl that was there will remember...Don't tell me what I should ahve done when you didn't do anything and your not doing anyhting to better what you think is wrong........
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: Anonymous on March 28, 2006, 05:29:00 PM
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On 2006-03-28 12:19:00, BarnardlyB wrote:

"".
 Achievement were based on physical and emotional success.

I watched a room full of girls be put to there knees in tears, myself included, when john told a new girl what her parents really died of.

A girl stood up and told him off.......it does happen, people do stand up....did you??? will you???

As  student I right before I left I too stood up the staff and was sent on a personal solo....during a intervention. Anygirl that was there will remember..."


Hey Betsy-  I wasn't there with you as an  intern, but I feel for you and the accusation levied up against you.  John was a tyrant and we were isolated from everyone...maybe some girls could stand up to him, but I never saw that as an option.  my own terror and convictionc of feeling John was Godly man made that impossible.  GIven those condtions, our belief in his Godliness I thought was near impossible to challenge.  He played God, an uneducated one, but God none the less.

I also wanted to comment on MMS and emotional succuess...I didn't find that MMS had any real gauge for success, actually, beyond obedience and verbal rhetoric...regular pointing out other girls 'shit' and . . . I don't see how terror can induce emotional success... physical success, yes... if you disconnect the mind from the physical.  But the physical was no why we were there.  MMS, bottom line, is a po dunk program with a podunk tyrant of a man running it.  We were all vitcims in one sense or another....regardless of our capacity to acknowledge it.
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: Anonymous on March 28, 2006, 08:08:00 PM
Barnardly B, can you explain what "emotional sucesses" you feel you actually achieved at MMS? And, didn't your parents contract for educational benefits? That is one large component this school advertises, and it is an expectation for the girls enrolled there. Any "physical activity" decribed on this forum appears to be free, child labor...or ridiculous, sadistic punishment.
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: Anonymous on March 28, 2006, 09:39:00 PM
For anyone who wants to know. Things at MMS did get better for a little while, ie john wasn't there, we went to school, had some fun, and people cared. But now they are going backwards. It may not be as evident in a physical aspect but the mind games, lies, crazymaking,and blaming are as bad as ever.
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: Anonymous on March 28, 2006, 09:45:00 PM
Why are things going backwards? What changed?
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: Anonymous on March 29, 2006, 02:36:00 AM
Betsy,

I wasn't me before- but I take horrid offense to what you said about me. You should have met me when I first came to MMS. It wasn't until I was stressed beyond capacity that I became mean. Since I left there ( as in the SECOND I left there) I have been differant. I don't feel like a trapped dog, backed into a corner. That rabid desperation doesn't exist to me anymore. As for my realtionship with Blair- she and I had began talking months prior to her death. Two days prior to her death, she wrote me an exciited email, telling me all about her new hair school stuff.

And I KNEW that Blair and Sam had known each other since childhood. I would advise you not to make open and unsolicited statements and "pseudo diagnoses" to people who may have NOTHING to do with your conversation.

Anyway, this is bullshit. Get a fucking life. Seriously. I have shit to do. I work 70+ hours a week and go to school.

Annick
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: Anonymous on March 29, 2006, 05:01:00 AM
by going backwards i mean that john is back in full power with no one there to stop him.
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: Anonymous on March 29, 2006, 03:47:00 PM
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On 2006-03-29 02:01:00, Anonymous wrote:

"by going backwards i mean that john is back in full power with no one there to stop him."


that's f-n scary!
Title: mercer shitting his pants
Post by: Anonymous on March 29, 2006, 07:40:00 PM
Annick.
I applogize for my accusations against you. That wasn't fair and I should have asked.
Im glad you knew of Sam and Blairs realationship. I had no idea and after talking to M&D, and J&C, they didn't know either...It was just an intersting fact.
As your comment of getting alife. I have one. I work two full time jobs and have started going back to school.....So Im over busy...a day off is like a week vaction for me,.....that is if I get one.

Once again, im sorry for thinking if was you who wrote that long mean letter.
B