Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Facility Question and Answers => Topic started by: nimdA on May 02, 2007, 01:24:45 AM
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on May 02, 2007, 01:24:45 AM
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Reposted material from Troubled Teens:
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I was at PV for 13 months and two other rehab centers as well... over all I was away for 5 years I will answer the questions the person above has asked
1) What was the food like?
The food varied, somedays it was good depending if it was breakfast lunch and dinner others bad... but then again when you are hungry after a hard days work anything in your stomache is better then nothing. I only became ill after eating the food a few times but it was not due to the foods content but more the taste, thoes food included Keilbasa, Brussel sprouts, Honey buns, beef stroginof (which we called beef stroke me off).
2) Where was it served?
We usualy ate in a huge bulding located on the main campus called the "Y.C." or Youth Center.. this was also where parent events were held and the staff room was in the loft of said building while Boys STU is literaly in the basement below. Sometimes we had to eat at the cabin depending on the circumstaces. When we were on quarintine due to an illness that was floating about we ate at the cabin and had our food brought to us.. it was kind of nice not to have to walk a mile to eat seeing how the boys campus was on the other side. But the strike rule also comes in to play, the strike rule is basicly each month we get three strikes, If any of the males get caught sneaking a peek at the girls... that was a strike for the whole clan, if your clan obtained 3 strikes the clan would have to each day for a week consume every meal on the boys side. That means we had to go to the YC, take the food back to the boys side, eat, and then bring it back to the YC and then go BACK again to the boys side... making us take 4 trips as opposed to the normal 2.
3) Was food ever denied? Kind of, they really manipulated this one... Based on what ever it was you did, would make you wait to eat untill 15 minutes before said meal was over... that means you have to eat ALL your food and not throw up. Problem was what ever was on the menu you had to get one portion of each type even if you hated it. Also you had to FINISH everythign on your plate or you would get DL (Desert limitation) They always made sure you ate... but they made it hard to enjoy whatever it was you were eating
4) What was the school part of the program like?
We only had school on mondays, wednesdays, and Fridays. I believe the girls had it on alternate days which makes me wonder if they only recieved 2 days of school as opposed to 3. The reason we only had three days of school was so on tuesday, thursday and saturday we could do vocational work... which was the village's cheap ass way of not having to hire anyone to repair anything. We pretty much fixed everything that went broken unless it truly needed to be professionaly done. Whne the cabins needed work, we fixed them, when concrete needed to be layed, we did that, spreading gravel, reshingling the roofs, weeding the front of the admissions office... that was us. This supposedly counted as gym and shop credits but I never saw any of thoes grades come to fruation when I finaly went to normal public school... thanks to PV I was put in 11th grade when I should have been in my senior year on the sole reason I did not have enough credits.
5) Where were classes conducted, and what was the classroom support like? IE. Teachers, computers, books etc..
The classrooms was a class cabin... thats right just like Tom Sawyer. Each clan had a section of the cabin that was "homeroom" with a specific teacher as the clans "homeroom teacher" The teachers were varied.... although there were only four they each had a unique personality and taught specific subjects... one taugh Math, calculus and of the like, Another taught strictly english and literature, another taught Biology and various sciences, and the last taught History, Geography, economics, etc. The books were new and plentiful but they never let you read what you wanted. I remember The english teacher told me to pick out a book as an assignment.. I picked a book called "A confederacy of Dunces" Which I had read before and enjoyed... He said he would not allow me to read it because I was not worthy of such majestic story telling. I agree it was an awsome story, majestice even.. But Iam not worthy to read a fucking book? Instead he made me read this peice of shit horribly written 120 page book titled "A light in the forrest" Which is just a shitty rip off of the book "The education of little tree"
Just for the record... you could not read anything other then A/A N/A material outside of school unless you were a high level and even then the book had to be evaluated and approved by your treatment team.
6) Under what circumstances could school be denied? If you were sick, or in the burrito (straitjacket) or the time out room.
7) What were the accomodations like for the students not in STU?
Could you please be more specific about this question?
8) What sort of clothing did the captives wear, and where did it come from? We were to wear white T shirts, working jeans, shirts tucked in with belt, normal tennis shoes for school days and steel toed boots for work days. Every 2 months or so we would have something called inventory day where we would clean the cabin from top to bottom and go over a liost of clothes we needed... There was actualy a list with the items required and the ammount we should have that we had to have a staff verify and sign. Kids usualy recieved the clothes from their parents... but the kids whoes parents could not afford it or simply refused to send them things had to go find the items from what is known as "The eagles Nest" Basicly The eagles nest was a storage space for all the clothes that was ever left by a former patient... over 17 years of rehab patian clothes reside in that nest... and woe to the poor sap who had to get his clothes from that place...
9) If you needed a basic necessity where did it come from? Such as tooth paste and things of that nature...
The village provided that, also your parents could send you hygenic things if need be
10) Was there a stage/level system at PV? Yes, both in STU and in the Cabin program but they differ greatly. IN STU you have Levels 1,2, and 3. You come in as an "outcast" and have to earn your way in to the group by writing a 10 page journey paper about why you were sent to PV... once you complete it you are in the group. Depending on a kids writing level this project could take a few hours or for others 2 months. When u are in the group you are a level one. You have to kiss ass and ragg on your fellow captives to show your are able to be a level 2... you then have to send in a request and staff will review it. Level threes have the most privelege and I found out that all you have to do to get level 3 is ask... but most dont because when anyone talked about thinking about going for a level 3 they were manipulated in to not even bothering because they would be rejected and it would be a waste of time.
The cabin system was different and very intricate.... the levels were based off the Native American medicine wheel. The levels were Premouse, Mouse, Senior mouse (this level has been abolished) Bear, Bear Adoha, Eagle, and Buffalo. Each level ment something and it would take waaay to long to explain each meaning and how to obtain each level because each way is different based on what Clan you are put in to. Also when you recieve a level there is a ceramony among your Clan members that takes place by a fire in an almost cult like ritual that is supposed to be "mystical" but once again each ceramony was different depending on what clan you were in
Basic employee qualifications for entry level staff?
We were never informed of their qualifications and even if we asked wouldent tell us Many claimed to be off duty marines... but when 9/11 happened I always mention how it was strange how they were not asked to ship out.
What sort of training did PV give them?
On the field training... get sone stupid intern and place him with a clan.
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Were you fully informed of your rights, rights limitations, and responsibilities?
Any rights we had were "restricted" That is honestly the term they used for it. They restrict your right to recieve mail, the right to hold on to a valid form of I.D., the right to speak to any type of attorney or AA/NA sponser, even your own family. They inform you on your "rights" via video tape on your second or third day of STU
Were you able to freely voice grievances or report abuse to the facility staff, or an outside representative of your choice without fear of restraint, interference, coercion, discrimination, or reprisal?
No, can't get any more clear then that.
Did PV assist you in exercising your rights? (I know, I know.. bare with me)
See the above
Were you allowed to send mail unopened or have any unmonitored phone calls with family?
You could send mail but it had to be approved by staff and you could only make an unmonitored call if you were a bear level or higher.... but that was still loosely monitored
Were you allowed to associate and communicate freely and/or privately with persons of your choice including receiving visitors at reasonable hours? If not, what was the reason given to you or listed in your file? Only your parents could visit you and that had to be approved by your therapist. Occasionaly your siblings could come too
Did you experience or witness any verbal, emotional, or physical abuse?
Many counts
Would you say that any abuses experienced or witnessed were isolated events, or do you feel that any abuses experienced or witnessed were institutional and part of the program?
A mix of both really. Staff could be vindicitive... some did it as revenge, some did it because they liked to feel as if they had power
Did PV setup a service plan specifically for you or was it a one size fits all kinda thing? What kind of serveice are you refering to?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on May 02, 2007, 01:26:16 AM
and since I started it..
First question..
Describe the level system and the responsibilities that went along with it please.
More material reposted from Troubled Teens:
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HEAL lists Peninsula Village as an abusive program:
"Peninsula Village in Tennessee is confirmedly an abusive behavior modification facility. They are part of the Peninsula Behavioral Health family of services and we have firsthand accounts of abuse at Peninsula facilities. Please click here for a report on the abuse at Peninsula. They describe a 6-8 week orientation period or initial â??level or phaseâ?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: DieYuppieScum on May 02, 2007, 04:27:49 AM
of course you ask me to explain the most complicated system in the village.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: DieYuppieScum on May 02, 2007, 04:29:22 AM
if you wan't me to explain that in full detail I would honestly have to speak to you about it becausre literaly there is just so muhc... Next question
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on May 02, 2007, 06:08:06 AM
Ok.. I found some general information about the levels posted earlier so I'll skip right to the meat and potatoes.
What did you normally do all day in STU?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: DieYuppieScum on May 02, 2007, 12:20:40 PM
Sat, cleaned early in the morning, had group, or read AA/NA material and schoolwork. Thats it.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on May 02, 2007, 12:42:06 PM
AA, NA.. what other forms of Alcohol or substance abuse therapy was avaliable?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: DieYuppieScum on May 02, 2007, 06:26:16 PM
that was about it
Title: What I did in STU
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on May 02, 2007, 06:27:00 PM
Quote from: ""Three Springs Waygookin""
Ok.. I found some general information about the levels posted earlier so I'll skip right to the meat and potatoes.
What did you normally do all day in STU?
I sat on my bed and waited.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on May 02, 2007, 08:49:49 PM
What sort of social interactions where you allowed in the STU?
ie.. could you talk to other "patients"?
How about recreational activities ie. tv, playing board games, reading books etc Is that allowed in the STU?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: DieYuppieScum on May 02, 2007, 09:35:46 PM
no on both counts
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on May 02, 2007, 09:38:41 PM
Ok sounds like you just sat around twiddling your thumbs for a minimum of 6 weeks.
Did you have, or see, any acting out due to boredom in the STU?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: DieYuppieScum on May 03, 2007, 02:18:02 AM
occasionaly a restraint occured... but we all tried to avoid that seeing how goons would race to STU and sit on you if you tried anything..... what we needed was a revolt... but how can anyone revolt when we are forbidden to talk to each other?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on May 03, 2007, 06:36:47 AM
I'm going to guess that school isn't happening for STU "patients"?
Also.. for my question:
On what grounds did they "claim" a restraint was called for?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: DieYuppieScum on May 03, 2007, 05:22:53 PM
no there was school, they gave you text books and assignments you were to complete from your bed. If you got your level 2 you could go back to the "classroom" as a privelege and work there.
Restraints were used when you were harming yourself, a harm to others, failing to comply with a staff's order, trying to run away, etc
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on May 03, 2007, 06:44:26 PM
Quote from: ""Three Springs Waygookin""
What sort of social interactions where you allowed in the STU?
ie.. could you talk to other "patients"?
How about recreational activities ie. tv, playing board games, reading books etc Is that allowed in the STU?
In girls lock-down staff had to be aware of all conversations. Depending on what staff was there or what mood they were in If you got caught talking you either had to turn and face the wall, go to seclusion or have an hour of silence (which would turn into another hour if you broke your silence) No books, TV, or music allowed in STU.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on May 03, 2007, 07:03:01 PM
Quote from: ""Three Springs Waygookin""
Ok sounds like you just sat around twiddling your thumbs for a minimum of 6 weeks.
Did you have, or see, any acting out due to boredom in the STU?
Lots of people would just fall asleep from medication and boredom and when this happened they got put "on hard chair" as punishment. If you fell asleep you were not allowed to sit on your bed. You would have to get the hard chair and take it with you every where you went. When we had school, it was on our bed in STU. Not many girls are in STU for six weeks. I was there for six months.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on May 03, 2007, 07:26:08 PM
Quote from: ""Three Springs Waygookin""
I'm going to guess that school isn't happening for STU "patients"?
Also.. for my question:
On what grounds did they "claim" a restraint was called for?
If you got off your bed without permission they said you were an elopement threat and you could be restrained for that. During a restraint we all had to go to the trusted area and sit with our heads between our legs. In girls STU there were restraints at least every other day and I thought most of them were unfair and unnecessary. The technique they used is called CTCI and it seems to be unreasonably harsh to me. I saw lots of unfortunate bruises and cuts from restraints. I still have scars on my face from a restraint.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on May 03, 2007, 09:42:47 PM
Ok I was trained in the Cornell Method of Theraputic Crisis Intervention (spelling). First the thing that I do know there is a verbal component.
Very few restraints involving TCI happen so quickly that the verbal component can't be utilized. This verbal component is called verbal de-escalation, and the process is as follows:
You identify the resident is in a crisis situation where he is potentially causing harm to self, others or property of significant value. First you attempt to communicate with him or her.
I never would have attempted a restraint without attempting to resolve the crisis verbally. This can be a simple series of questions.
1) Are you ok? 2) What can I do to help you?
These questions aren't rocket science, but they are designed to stop the crisis and get the client engaged in a meaningful dialogue. Even the most violent of situations needed some sort of verbal component.
Two kids fighting:
1) Break it up boys.
A kid cutting on himself:
1) Maybe you should set that down? Lets have a talk about this ok?
PeeVee seems to have taken the CTCI method and totally perverted it for their own uses. Seriously... getting up off your bed in no way constitutes a deliberate attempt to run away. Nor should running away immediately result in a restraint.
There is still the verbal component.
1) Stretching your legs? 2) Have to go the bathroom? 3) You ok? 4) Want to talk?
Verbal de-escalation is designed to prevent restraints from even occuring. If my memory serves me correctly TCI was created to minimize the actual number of restraints. Not to be used by a crop of goons to batter someone senseless.
Ok rant over... next question..
What determined you were finished with the STU, and who made that decision?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: DieYuppieScum on May 04, 2007, 12:05:31 AM
"What determined you were finished with the STU, and who made that decision?"
Depended... some kids never reach the cabin program and are released simply because their insurence can't cover it anymore. Usualy kids were in STU for a month or two... then the treatment team would decide what clan fit you best. There were only two options for girls at the time of my stay... the frogs and coyotes... but with the boy side there were three options, the bat clan, the bear clan and the hawk clan
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on May 04, 2007, 07:40:50 AM
Was that determination made objectively, based on factual evidence, or subjectively, based on the instincts of the staff?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on May 04, 2007, 10:03:39 AM
Quote from: ""Three Springs Waygookin""
Ok I was trained in the Cornell Method of Theraputic Crisis Intervention (spelling). First the thing that I do know there is a verbal component.
Very few restraints involving TCI happen so quickly that the verbal component can't be utilized. This verbal component is called verbal de-escalation, and the process is as follows:
You identify the resident is in a crisis situation where he is potentially causing harm to self, others or property of significant value. First you attempt to communicate with him or her.
I never would have attempted a restraint without attempting to resolve the crisis verbally. This can be a simple series of questions.
1) Are you ok? 2) What can I do to help you?
These questions aren't rocket science, but they are designed to stop the crisis and get the client engaged in a meaningful dialogue. Even the most violent of situations needed some sort of verbal component.
Two kids fighting:
1) Break it up boys.
A kid cutting on himself:
1) Maybe you should set that down? Lets have a talk about this ok?
PeeVee seems to have taken the CTCI method and totally perverted it for their own uses. Seriously... getting up off your bed in no way constitutes a deliberate attempt to run away. Nor should running away immediately result in a restraint.
There is still the verbal component.
1) Stretching your legs? 2) Have to go the bathroom? 3) You ok? 4) Want to talk?
Verbal de-escalation is designed to prevent restraints from even occuring. If my memory serves me correctly TCI was created to minimize the actual number of restraints. Not to be used by a crop of goons to batter someone senseless.
Ok rant over... next question..
What determined you were finished with the STU, and who made that decision?
when there was a restraint there were people running everywhere and sirens going off. Usually by the time the restraint was about to happen the verbal part of it became more abusive almost like they were upsetting girls on purpose to get them restrained.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on May 05, 2007, 05:36:09 AM
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Was that determination made objectively, based on factual evidence, or subjectively, based on the instincts of the staff?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on May 05, 2007, 09:51:11 AM
Quote from: ""Three Springs Waygookin""
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Was that determination made objectively, based on factual evidence, or subjectively, based on the instincts of the staff?
It did not seem like anything that happened in STU was based on factual evidence. It seemed to be all very random. Based on FACTUAL evidence I should not have been in PV at all.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: DieYuppieScum on May 05, 2007, 04:03:45 PM
Based on FACTUAL evidence PV woulden't have existed at all
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on May 05, 2007, 06:57:35 PM
Quote from: ""Three Springs Waygookin""
What determined you were finished with the STU, and who made that decision?
Treatment Team (mostly made up of staff and some people who had advanced above staff and a couple of clinicians) decided when you finished STU. It was based on trust and how you worked your program.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on May 05, 2007, 07:06:31 PM
Quote from: ""Hrt2hrtScandal""
Quote from: ""Three Springs Waygookin""
What determined you were finished with the STU, and who made that decision?
Treatment Team (mostly made up of staff and some people who had advanced above staff and a couple of clinicians) decided when you finished STU. It was based on trust and how you worked your program.
I think I mentioned this before, but I never got out of STU.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on May 05, 2007, 08:23:18 PM
So there was no attempt at setting up a data collection to measure the progress of the "patient" during his or her time in the STU?
By this I mean a point system. X number of points for observed behaviors equals promotion to the next level.
Also thanks for being patient. I know my questions at times might seem inconsquential, but if you think about it not many of us know much of anything about PV. I believe the more information we can bring out during the interview the better. It can really help us paint a clearer picture.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on May 05, 2007, 08:49:59 PM
Quote from: ""Three Springs Waygookin""
So there was no attempt at setting up a data collection to measure the progress of the "patient" during his or her time in the STU?
By this I mean a point system. X number of points for observed behaviors equals promotion to the next level.
Also thanks for being patient. I know my questions at times might seem inconsquential, but if you think about it not many of us know much of anything about PV. I believe the more information we can bring out during the interview the better. It can really help us paint a clearer picture.
There did not seem to be. I got my level 2 for a short time but was put back for "laughing at a hearing impaired girl" who I believe was actually mentally retarded. I know that is not the politcally correct term and actually we were not laughing at the girl. It was a situation where we were going to get in trouble for that or for something else.After I left PV I talked to some other girls who were there when I was and they all agreed this girl was severely impaired. I only mention this because I found out later that PV is not supposed to take kids with issues like hers.
Inconsequential? I think not.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on May 05, 2007, 08:56:42 PM
Now this is going to seem really mundane, but it will give myself and others an overall clearer picture of your time in STU.
In STU,
When eating your meals did you leave the STU or were they brought to you?
Describe the showering and bathing situation.
Can you give a bit of a breakdown on how the day would run for an average day in the STU?
I know you've already stated that all you did in the STU was sit on your bed all day. However, I think it would be helpful if one of you could post up a rough timeline of a day in the life of an STU "patient".
For example.
6:00 Wake up to 6:15 make bed, get dressed, do basic hygiene 6:15 to 7:00 line up, do head count, go to dining hall for breakfast: etc. etec.
I believe that by doing this an even more accurate picture of the STU situation will be avaliable.
Thank you.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on May 06, 2007, 04:22:07 PM
6:30 Wake ups and make beds do morning hygeine 7:00 Breakfast 8:00 Chores 9:00 Morning Activity (monday through Friday schedules changed) 10:00 Morning Activity 11:00 Group Psychotherapy 12:00 Lunch 1:00-1:30 Priority Time Necessaries Group/Excercises/Quiet Time 1:30-3:00 School 4:00-5:00 Afternoon Activity 5:00 Dinner 6:00 Group Psychotherapy 7:00-7:30 Priority Time Necessaries Group, Excercises, Quiet Time 7:30-8:30 Evening Hygeine 8:30-9:30 Evening Activity 9:30-10:00 Wrap Up 10:00-10:05 Spiritual Time Lights out
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on May 06, 2007, 04:57:17 PM
Quote from: ""Three Springs Waygookin""
Now this is going to seem really mundane, but it will give myself and others an overall clearer picture of your time in STU.
In STU,
When eating your meals did you leave the STU or were they brought to you?
Describe the showering and bathing situation.
Thank you.
We ate on STU in the dayroom.
After you wake up and set your daily goals and make beds you have morning hygeine. Three people get sent in to the bathroom at a time to brush your teeth, wash your face, change out of your pjs and go to the bathroom. You have three minutes to do all everything. Every even hour you have bathroom breaks. One minute to go number one and Two minutes for number two. If you can't go in that amount of time you have to ask permission for more time. Then you have evening hygeine when you take a shower. You have four minutes to take a shower and you cant bring your shampoo bottles into the shower because it is a safety issue. The only thing you can have is a bar of soap and a wash clothe. You have to strip down to your underwear before you could shower and hold it out for staff to see. Staff would say "saw you" and then you could shower.Total time you were in shower is eight minutes. You had to brush your teeth which you could do in the shower if you were not on eating disorder or suicide clinical alert. You had to clean the shower to make sure all the hair was out.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on May 06, 2007, 08:09:47 PM
What would happen if you took to long in the shower?
Also what happened if you had to go to the bathroom before the bathroom break every hour?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on May 06, 2007, 09:00:33 PM
Quote from: ""Three Springs Waygookin""
What would happen if you took to long in the shower?
Also what happened if you had to go to the bathroom before the bathroom break every hour?
Too long in the shower consequence or "care method"
You had to ask to go to the bathroom. If you had not gone during the previous break you had consequence or care method
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on May 06, 2007, 09:14:50 PM
Please explain the consquence and care method.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on May 07, 2007, 04:16:51 PM
Quote from: ""Three Springs Waygookin""
Please explain the consquence and care method.
Care Methods (or as they were previously called Consequences) were punishments for doing something wrong. Confront groups were called many many many many times a day and could be called by anyone as long as staff had given them permission. During a confront group a person would be called out for whatever rule they broke and then the person who called the group would give a suggestion as to what the appropriate care method should be. If we took too long in the bathroom we got something like Makes Group Aware 1 time per shift I've gotten out of the bathroom on time. Which means you had to raise your hand and ask staff if you could tell the group that you had gotten out of the bathroom on time. That wasn't the only care method though there were millions...I think. At the end of the day, if you had completed your care methods, you could get them erased off of the Care Method Board, which was a white board that one of the level 2's had written the previous evening. The catch here is that you have to state it the exact way it is written on the care method board, or you don't get it erased. The way you got to know what your care methods are was by asking staff if you could go look at the care method board during morning hygiene. Most people had at least one care method every day. Some had tons. I could go for about a week without getting one just because I was there for so long and knew all of the rules. If you had too many care methods you were excluded from Holiday activities. That sucked because it was pretty much the only time we got to interact non therapeutically.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on May 07, 2007, 08:04:28 PM
You mentioned that staff provoked people into restraints. Could you describe such an event that you witnessed?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on May 09, 2007, 04:39:28 PM
Quote from: ""Three Springs Waygookin""
You mentioned that staff provoked people into restraints. Could you describe such an event that you witnessed?
Well, one time there was a girl who didn't eat her dinner and was hungry later on and staff said she wouldn't be allowed to eat anything because she "refused" and they really kept pushing her and she finally freaked. Lots of restraints happened over food. In group therapy there was a psychologist and a family therapist that would really push people. I don't remember many specifics, but it would get bad sometimes.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on May 10, 2007, 09:46:04 AM
I'd like to give you the opprotunity to suggest the next line of questions so that I'm not overlooking something you would like to discuss further.
Is there something you would like to discuss in greater detail?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: DieYuppieScum on May 11, 2007, 12:41:35 PM
how about the false titles of the staff? I remember many claiming to be off duty Marines but the staff sure did not seem like Marines
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on May 11, 2007, 07:44:10 PM
What qualifications did staff have for working with troubled children?
by this I mean entry level staff.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: DieYuppieScum on May 13, 2007, 08:10:15 AM
from what I saw no experience was really needed, hell my staff member had been with PV since it opened and he was trained to be a geologist... not a child psych worker
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on May 13, 2007, 12:52:37 PM
Quote from: ""Three Springs Waygookin""
What qualifications did staff have for working with troubled children?
by this I mean entry level staff.
I know some of them had a masters degree and were therefore "SPC", or Senior Program Counselors. Some of them were going for their bachelors and masters still. Many had associates degrees and some were high school grads or GED's. I don't know exactly what their degrees were in either. Sorry I guess I can't help you much there. I know some of them were in programs before they worked there and the doctor on staff went through a program because he liked to remind us of that often.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on May 13, 2007, 09:48:21 PM
Did the doctor happen to mention the name of that program?
And to DYS..
Glad to see you back.
And I'm gathering from this earlier that the entry level staff recieves no real introductory training?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on May 14, 2007, 10:49:23 AM
Also.. I'd like to start asking questions about some of the more painful experiences that may or may not have happened to you at PV. Before I ask I'd like your permission. I know from my point of view I've struggled in the past discussing some of the events I was involved with during my employment in the industry. I can only imagine that the same is true for the both of you in a more pronounced form.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on May 15, 2007, 05:37:26 PM
Quote from: ""Three Springs Waygookin""
Did the doctor happen to mention the name of that program?
And to DYS..
Glad to see you back.
And I'm gathering from this earlier that the entry level staff recieves no real introductory training?
He only said it was just like PV but never mentioned a specific name. As far as I could tell from the unit when staff was new they just observed for a couple of weeks and then they could start answering questions. A couple of times of month 3 or 4 students from a local community college (maybe they were nursing students but I don't know) would sit in on group
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on May 15, 2007, 08:33:26 PM
Did it ever feel like the PV staff was attempting to promote a feeling of dependency of staff?
As if staff was the only ones who could resolve your problems.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on May 15, 2007, 10:33:51 PM
They would say things like if we were not here for you you would be dead or in jail. It seemed like they wanted you to solve your own problems, but then they told you HOW to do it, but when you tried to do it that way they said it was wrong and you were trying to manipulate them.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on May 15, 2007, 10:51:45 PM
Would you care to discuss your first restraint?
if so please tell us what events lead up to the restraint.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on May 19, 2007, 11:09:51 AM
Get back to you soon on that one...
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on May 19, 2007, 11:55:57 AM
Take all the time you need.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: DieYuppieScum on May 20, 2007, 02:47:20 PM
I keep thinking... and it's kind of dull but... what do you think would happen if all the kids that went to PV that are still alive/not in jail/ not full blown addicts, went to the village A La Children of the corn and helped the kids currantly in the program and STU revolt? That would be over 21 years of pent of anger and revenge dished out. Imagine... Making the counselors sit on he beds and have to plead to get up, making them crosscut 6 logs on one hour, making them trug through the immense Tennessee Heat being forced to carry heavy objects. I think it's a beautiful fantasy.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: ZenAgent on May 20, 2007, 08:57:25 PM
Quote from: ""DieYuppieScum""
I keep thinking... and it's kind of dull but... what do you think would happen if all the kids that went to PV that are still alive/not in jail/ not full blown addicts, went to the village A La Children of the corn and helped the kids currantly in the program and STU revolt? That would be over 21 years of pent of anger and revenge dished out. Imagine... Making the counselors sit on he beds and have to plead to get up, making them crosscut 6 logs on one hour, making them trug through the immense Tennessee Heat being forced to carry heavy objects. I think it's a beautiful fantasy.
That's a premium idea. The returning un-jailed/un-dead/un-junkied alumni could arrange a group therapy for staff to establish what addictions the counselors have.
"I'm not addicted to anything, I swear," mewls a staffer.
"GET REAL! You're addicted to putting kids in restraints and giving one spike of Klonopine to a kid, one spike to yourself! Time to get honest! And Roberts! Gimme the truth! You were never in the military! You were kicked out of the Boy Scouts!"
Change the names of the levels: pre-maggot, maggot, shithouse rat, jackyl, vulture, and the creme de le creme of the new PV, the purple-assed baboon clan.
Start some new games for amusement: the PV Rodeo, where kids are timed on how quickly they can hogtie a clinician. The PV pinata whack-a-thon, consisting of a staffer hung by his feet from a tree with a straitjacket on, while a blindfolded patient swings an aluminum bat at this squealing target. If you hit the pinata hard enough you won't get candy, but I guarantee the PV pinata pig will purge his bowels. Last, the ever-popular "ropes course" with a new twist - the ropes are noosed around certain vicious staffers' necks in order to test their "cooperation skills". At least, that's the stated goal, but when you're tied-up in a straitjacket and hanging by your neck, you can't even save your own ass..
Force staff to clean the porta-toilets with soup spoons...allow the staff to call home, but the second they say they're being abused, slam the receiver down.
Finally, hold a graduation ceremony, and instead of dropping balloons on the grads at the end, dump the contents of the E.Coli-laden porta-shitters on the heavily-sedated and drooling graduates.
Damn DYS, that's a fine fantasy. Of course, before people get all worked-up, it's only fiction, and read the small print, programees.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Kreflo on May 20, 2007, 10:33:13 PM
Yeah well that shits gonna have to happen mid Junish. The resident Ed-Con has plans to meet his bitches in the NC triangle area after graduation ya heard?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on May 20, 2007, 11:04:52 PM
Quote from: ""DieYuppieScum""
I keep thinking... and it's kind of dull but... what do you think would happen if all the kids that went to PV that are still alive/not in jail/ not full blown addicts, went to the village A La Children of the corn and helped the kids currantly in the program and STU revolt? That would be over 21 years of pent of anger and revenge dished out. Imagine... Making the counselors sit on he beds and have to plead to get up, making them crosscut 6 logs on one hour, making them trug through the immense Tennessee Heat being forced to carry heavy objects. I think it's a beautiful fantasy.
Please elaborate on the physical consquences you just mentioned. Why were you assigned this sort of physical labor in the first place?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on May 28, 2007, 05:48:53 PM
Quote from: ""Three Springs Waygookin""
Would you care to discuss your first restraint?
if so please tell us what events lead up to the restraint.
We had the school day off so we watched a movie (a very rare incident). We watched the Phantom of the Opera which I had last watched with my boyfriend and parents, who I was still missing terribly. I was then called to go to family therapy with my mom. She showed up with Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream. My therapist told her I wasn't allowed to have it, but that she could leave it in the staff refrigerator. WHAT THE HELL? Why would she want to contribute to that fat woman's obesity problem??? Anyway, My mother was trying to ask me questions about the program. How it was, what it was, what we did. My therapist said that It was not productive. My mom then asked me to fill out a 3x5 card so that I could see my guardian ad litem. That's when I got pissed. I had already filled out that 3x5 on many occasions, which they are not supposed to refuse according to the patient rights and I knew that my mom had been trying to get me an appointment with her already for ages. I was already in a bad place because of that movie thing and really upset about the ice cream ordeal and my therapist calling my session unproductive, but the 3x5 really did it. I think I threw a tissue box at her. She decided to call staff down there and end the session. Then she said that if I could calm down she would let me stay. Then, for no real reason she changed her mind and I really flipped. I left the room and went into the hallway at which point she should have used her air horn. She did not. I could have gotten away. I sat in the hallway and was not finding room to breath between all the tears, snot, and shaking from being more upset than I think I've ever been in my life. My therapist came out and again, made me a deal that if I could remain calm and be productive, then I could finish my hour. She, again for no reason changed her mind at which point about five or six staff members proceeded to escort me back to the unit. My therapist seemed to have the desire to see how upset she could get me. That may be a distortion, I'm not certain, but the way she acted just seemed very intent on making things worse for me. She was walking my mom to her car as I was being escorted, so yes I could see my mom walking away from me and all I wanted was to be held in her arms like I was a baby. Staff had me by the arms and I was becoming very resistant to them. I tried to break free because, like I said, all I wanted was my mom. The crowd of staff members made some pretty swift movements and all of the sudden I was down on the ground, the deck leading into the unit. My head was being mashed onto chicken wire that I could feel cutting me on my face closer to my eyes. I could also feel it tearing the skin on my elbows, wrists, knees, ankles, and feet. I was screaming and couldn't stop. An alarm was going off in the background. I could feel someone sitting on my upper back, knees, and bottom. Then all of the sudden I was above each of their heads, floating across the unit into the time out room where I could again feel my head being mashed into the floor and the weight of people on my body. I heard someone say "she's bleeding!" and the voices of 8 or so staff members in the time out room, and even more standing around it on the unit. I couldn't breathe at all. My hair was in my mouth and, with the weight of a body on my back and my head being held down, I could not feel the normal sensation of my lungs exchanging oxygen for carbon dioxide. After a while I could feel my clothes being yanked off of me and my shoes taken off. Some women lifted me up and put what I thought was a sheet under me, then realized that I was supposed to be putting my arms through the sleeved of a set of hospital gowns. I ate in the time out room with no utensils and waited for what seemed like hours until they let me out again. Group therapy was terrible after that. A team leader accused me of trying to get restrained so that my mother could take pictures. She said that she knew that my mother had told me to get restrained. They did not believe that that had not been the case. I was then put on "mom restriction". After the restraint I remained bruised and scared for about a week or so and had a really bad breakout on my eyelids for about a month. That turned into a really bad case of dry skin all around my eyes which they couldn't tell me what it was and could only give me lotion that really just didn't do anything.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on May 28, 2007, 08:37:56 PM
Have you had any long term side affects, including mental or physical, from the restraint?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Kreflo on May 28, 2007, 09:06:03 PM
Yeh boy, tell us how fuxxed up you got.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on May 28, 2007, 09:07:49 PM
I believe that should be, "Yeah Girl, Tell us how fuxxed up you got."
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Kreflo on May 28, 2007, 09:09:05 PM
Sorry, jk :oops:
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on May 28, 2007, 09:48:14 PM
Quote from: ""Three Springs Waygookin""
Have you had any long term side affects, including mental or physical, from the restraint?
Well I was having bad dreams about PV in general for a long time before I started taking this sleeping med my doctor prescribed. I get freaked out when I hear a siren or and air horn, but that isn't specifically from my restraint.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on May 28, 2007, 10:10:56 PM
Also I thought I'd take the time to congratulate everyone. I have it on good account that numerous reports of IP numbers from the PV area of Tennesse have been spotted examining this thread. Don't ask me how I know this... because I won't tell.
But this thread is getting noticed more and more.
Which is most excellent.
Onwards to the questioning:
How many total restraints were you in?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on May 29, 2007, 12:53:50 AM
Only the one I wrote about.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on May 29, 2007, 12:59:21 AM
At the time of your restraint were you actively attempting to hurt someone, hurt yourself, or attempting to destroy property of significant value?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on May 29, 2007, 01:49:35 PM
No-only what I wrote above.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on May 29, 2007, 10:38:52 PM
So after you threw a kleenex box at the therapist's head and you walked out of the room you were showing no signs of physical agression to yourself or others?
And further didn't start resisting staff until they got ahold of you and began escorting you away from your mother?
btw.. what is the deal with the chicken wire? Seems a bit odd to have chicken wire in a treatment facility.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on May 30, 2007, 11:22:10 AM
Quote from: ""Three Springs Waygookin""
So after you threw a kleenex box at the therapist's head and you walked out of the room you were showing no signs of physical agression to yourself or others?
And further didn't start resisting staff until they got ahold of you and began escorting you away from your mother?
btw.. what is the deal with the chicken wire? Seems a bit odd to have chicken wire in a treatment facility.
I was just really upset and crying a lot because I thought she was being unreasonable to both me and my mom. After I threw the tissue box at her and she sent for staff to take me out of the room, my mom told me to please not do things like that and said she was worried that I was learning bad behavior there (at PV). From the hallway I heard the therapist getting upset with her for saying that and heard my mom say that she had never seen me behave that way towards an adult before. I really didn't like our family therapist and thought that she was kind of mean especially towards my mom. She seemed to like my dad though, but I have heard and read that PV really likes whichever parent is paying for threatment. When I saw my mom after they had me I tried to back out of their hold and that is when they took me down. Later a staff member, one of the few that I really did like explained that because I was flailing to get out of their grip it is considered a threat and they had to take me down. I don't know why they have the chicken wire on the deck area.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on May 30, 2007, 11:29:06 AM
In my own experience I know that when people are upset it helps to give them space. For instance, many times I had a young man screaming and yelling at a counselor. The counselor would be closing in on him to restrain the kid. I'd tell the counselor to back off and suggested that we just needed to give the kid some room. More often than not the kid settled down on his own.
Given time and space do you think you could have calmed yourself and would have been able to move back to your destination without being made to do so?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on May 30, 2007, 11:29:49 AM
Quote from: ""Hrt2hrtScandal""
PV really likes whichever parent is paying for threatment.
srry I meant treatment although threatment isn't too far off the reality of it.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on May 30, 2007, 11:54:50 AM
Quote from: ""Three Springs Waygookin""
In my own experience I know that when people are upset it helps to give them space. For instance, many times I had a young man screaming and yelling at a counselor. The counselor would be closing in on him to restrain the kid. I'd tell the counselor to back off and suggested that we just needed to give the kid some room. More often than not the kid settled down on his own.
Given time and space do you think you could have calmed yourself and would have been able to move back to your destination without being made to do so?
I'm not really sure. I just wanted my mom, and to get out of PV. At that point I was so worked up I think I would rather have died than go back up on the unit.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: DieYuppieScum on May 30, 2007, 06:15:39 PM
u say there was chicken wire???? where?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on May 30, 2007, 07:30:53 PM
chicken wire on the deck in front of girls lockdown, face in chickenwire= not good.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: DieYuppieScum on May 30, 2007, 07:51:09 PM
OHH YEAH, I just thought u ment there was chicken wire upright on a fence. No there was chicken wire on all the decks and stairs... it was ment for winter so the wood wouldent get icy and people would trip and break their necks.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Energizer Bunny on May 30, 2007, 08:20:37 PM
Quote from: ""Hrt2hrtScandal""
chicken wire on the deck in front of girls lockdown, face in chickenwire= not good.
i can think of many body parts that would not enjoy going toe to toe with chicken wire. :o :o :o
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on May 30, 2007, 08:45:31 PM
Quote from: ""Hrt2hrtScandal""
Quote from: ""Three Springs Waygookin""
In my own experience I know that when people are upset it helps to give them space. For instance, many times I had a young man screaming and yelling at a counselor. The counselor would be closing in on him to restrain the kid. I'd tell the counselor to back off and suggested that we just needed to give the kid some room. More often than not the kid settled down on his own.
Given time and space do you think you could have calmed yourself and would have been able to move back to your destination without being made to do so?
I'm not really sure. I just wanted my mom, and to get out of PV. At that point I was so worked up I think I would rather have died than go back up on the unit.
Given they didn't give you a chance I guess you will never know.
Did you spend anytime at all with a group outside of the lockdown unit?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on May 31, 2007, 01:33:08 PM
No, I was in lock down for six months. I did not even see outside the unit for most of that time.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on May 31, 2007, 08:11:36 PM
wow...
Ok Let's talk about individual therapy next.
Care to elaborate onto the amount of and type of individual therapy administered at PV?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on June 04, 2007, 09:32:02 PM
There was no one on one or individual therapy. I had one hour of family therapy with my dad once a week. This was with a senior staff member, or clinician. At first PV would alternate with my mom and dad until the above mentioned incident. After that it was just with my dad.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on June 05, 2007, 08:32:16 AM
How were these sessions conducted?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on June 05, 2007, 03:34:21 PM
Basically everybody checks in with three feelings or emotions and then the group leader or community leader (a level 2 patient) asks who calls time. If you want to say something you put out your hand as though you were going to receive something in your palm. A raised hand is for staff only. Staff oversees the group therapy. We were supposed to have group therapy with the staff psychologist and another male senior staffer once a week but it usually happened less often than that. We did not mind though because we all dreaded those sessions. Family therapy either occurred by phone, or if parents live nearby in person and was usually once a week. There is a small room in the lower level of the STU unit where the family therapists conduct family therapy. I would like to add that therapy is what PV calls it but it is unlike any "therapy" that I am familiar with.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on June 06, 2007, 11:35:17 PM
Quote
I would like to add that therapy is what PV calls it but it is unlike any "therapy" that I am familiar with.
Please elaborate on this statement. Could you compare and contrast a situation that you experienced with therapy outside of PV with a situation you experienced inside of PV?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on June 09, 2007, 12:02:07 AM
It wasn't therapy in the sense of "what is the problem and how does it make you feel?"... it was more like "you're wrong", or that is how it was to me. They would ask how you feel, but that wasn't what they wanted to hear, then they would ask you questions about your life and you would give details and they'd say that you were story telling or something. It was too complicated for me for it to be therapeutic. It was also just harsh for me too.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on June 12, 2007, 01:20:34 AM
Could you describe one of your therapy sessions at PV?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on June 12, 2007, 10:12:53 PM
Well, you start to talk about how you feel, and then a bunch of girls tell you how bad you are and how your a liar, pretty much like staff does, and the person who has called time ends up in tears. I usually felt pain in my chest, or maybe my heart was actually broken.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on June 12, 2007, 10:18:50 PM
What did the staff expect of a resident during these sessions?
Specifically:
What did the staff expect from the group of residents towards the one person?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on June 13, 2007, 10:09:22 AM
Quote from: ""A Program's Worst Nightmare""
Specifically: What did the staff expect from the group of residents towards the one person?
Staff expects the "truth". They don't want you to tell "stories". They want you to take "responsibility for your actions". Then they expect the group to confront you and help get the "truth" out of you. The problem is "the truth" is never good enough.
For example, before I went to PV I had tried pot one time (and didn't like it), and had more than one beer on one occasion. I should probably add that I come from a small town and most of the kids in my group of friends are very sheltered. Really, all through high school our idea of fun was going to someone's house, watching a movie (very rarely one over a PG-13 rating) ordering pizza, drinking soda until someone got gas, and giggling and laughing a lot about it.
Staff did not want to hear that I tried pot once and drank beer one time. I could tell that story again and again and be accused of lying. However if I had said I was a heavy pot user, and an alcoholic crack head prostitute, they might have accepted that as the truth and maybe I would have been able to advance in the program.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on June 13, 2007, 09:14:48 PM
Was participation in these sessions manditory? What might have happened if you sat quietly and said very little?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on June 14, 2007, 10:07:34 AM
Well, YES! It was very mandatory. If you didn't come to group you would have an assist which is where two staff members stood on either side of you and forcefully pulled you up-if you resisted an assist you were probably about to get restrained. If you were on shutdown, which is prolonged exclusion from the group, then you could not go. In the first 3 months I was there I tried to give a lot of feedback to my peers and talk a lot so that I could get out of STU, especially after my restraint. It worked for a while, but things went really downhill. I got put on feedback restriction, which meant I couldn't give my peers feedback, and I usually didn't call time in group therapy.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on June 14, 2007, 10:30:08 AM
I was thinking more what would happen if you just sat quietly in group and didn't participate.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on June 14, 2007, 04:45:44 PM
Quote from: ""A Program's Worst Nightmare""
I was thinking more what would happen if you just sat quietly in group and didn't participate.
A peer could call time for you, but you didn't have to talk. Not participating though was like asking for trouble. They would really get on you if you did not participate, and I guess I don't need to explain that you were expected to sit quietly if you were not going to say anything.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on June 14, 2007, 08:01:24 PM
Sounds all very confusing to me, but then again TBS programs aren't particularly very logical in the first place.
What is "calling time"?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on June 14, 2007, 09:00:06 PM
Quote from: ""A Program's Worst Nightmare""
Sounds all very confusing to me, but then again TBS programs aren't particularly very logical in the first place.
What is "calling time"?
Yes it was like everything I knew to be logical was exactly the opposite there. "Calling Time" is what you do to talk in group. As I said you can call time to talk (you might not always get to) or, someone can call time for you.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on June 14, 2007, 09:04:44 PM
And if someone called time for you and you didn't want to talk?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on June 14, 2007, 09:12:45 PM
Quote from: ""A Program's Worst Nightmare""
And if someone called time for you and you didn't want to talk?
In the words of my brother, they would get all up in your sh*t and stuff.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on June 14, 2007, 09:15:35 PM
Was this a verbal attack or physical? Who instigated it and lead it? The staff or residents?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on June 14, 2007, 09:47:40 PM
During group it was both staff and patients. It was verbal but if you did something it could lead to physical. As I said before it was a lot of accusations of "not being real" and lying.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on June 14, 2007, 11:44:59 PM
Did staff try to discourage the residents from being verbally aggresive in their confrontations?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on June 15, 2007, 01:40:17 AM
No, verbal aggression and confrontation are encouraged. That is considered part of working the program.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on June 15, 2007, 05:22:04 PM
Is it possible that you could advance faster in the program by being verbally and physically agressive during these therapy sessions?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on June 16, 2007, 12:17:22 AM
Quote from: ""A Program's Worst Nightmare""
Is it possible that you could advance faster in the program by being verbally and physically agressive during these therapy sessions?
There was not much room for physical aggression, but the sessions were very "confrontational" and yes the patients who were the most aggressive did advance more quickly.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on June 16, 2007, 05:42:55 AM
In your opinion what do you think they were attempting to accomplish in these therapy sessions with you as an individual?
I have my own, but I'll refrain from voicing it at this time out of my desire to not want to influence your reponse.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on June 17, 2007, 02:57:07 PM
They said it was to take responsibility for myself and to not manipulate people, but I don't know what they were trying to accomplish by forcing people to admit things that they just did not do.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: psy on June 17, 2007, 03:39:16 PM
Quote from: ""Hrt2hrtScandal""
They said it was to take responsibility for myself and to not manipulate people, but I don't know what they were trying to accomplish by forcing people to admit things that they just did not do.
Re-interpret your past, your memories, your identity... you.
I highly recommend reading this: http://www.rickross.com/reference/brain ... ing19.html (http://www.rickross.com/reference/brainwashing/brainwashing19.html)
It may seem complex at first, but read it a second time if you don't understand it the first.
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The totalist confession takes on a number of special meanings. It is first a vehicle for the kind of personal purification which we have just discussed, a means of maintaining a perpetual inner emptying or psychological purge of impurity; this purging milieu enhances the totalists' hold upon existential guilt. Second, it is an act of symbolic self-surrender, the expression of the merging of individual and environment. Third, it is a means of maintaining an ethos of total exposure - a policy of making public (or at least known to the Organization) everything possible about the life experiences, thoughts, and passions of each individual, and especially those elements which might be regarded as derogatory.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on June 19, 2007, 10:40:49 PM
Thanks I will look into it.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: psy on June 19, 2007, 11:29:32 PM
Quote from: ""Hrt2hrtScandal""
Thanks I will look into it.
I have collected a lot of information about totalistic/cult structure that I found was relevant to understanding certain "Why"s of program. Let me know if you'd like to read more.
PS: pardon me if this has already been asked/answered, but, did PV have overnight seminars with games/exercises or anything like that?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on June 20, 2007, 09:35:01 PM
Quote from: ""psy""
I have collected a lot of information about totalistic/cult structure that I found was relevant to understanding certain "Why"s of program. Let me know if you'd like to read more.
PS: pardon me if this has already been asked/answered, but, did PV have overnight seminars with games/exercises or anything like that?
Well we didn't have games or exercises, but we often had to stay up half the night for different reasons. The first one that comes to mind is when one girl was not doing her responsibilities correctly and we all had to stay awake until she did. That kind of thing happened frequently and we all hated it.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: psy on June 20, 2007, 09:59:21 PM
Quote from: ""Hrt2hrtScandal""
Quote from: ""psy""
I have collected a lot of information about totalistic/cult structure that I found was relevant to understanding certain "Why"s of program. Let me know if you'd like to read more.
PS: pardon me if this has already been asked/answered, but, did PV have overnight seminars with games/exercises or anything like that?
Well we didn't have games or exercises, but we often had to stay up half the night for different reasons. The first one that comes to mind is when one girl was not doing her responsibilities correctly and we all had to stay awake until she did. That kind of thing happened frequently and we all hated it.
Would that build up resentment against the girl?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on June 21, 2007, 10:04:21 AM
Quote from: ""psy""
Would that build up resentment against the girl?
Yes it would because it just caused trouble with the whole group. It was usually just one or two girls who would have trouble with their responsibilities. It could hold the whole group up for hours.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on June 21, 2007, 11:56:15 AM
Did they refer to it as Group Process? Meaning if one person struggles you all struggle as a group.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on June 27, 2007, 02:55:26 PM
Quote from: ""Liberated Honkey""
Did they refer to it as Group Process? Meaning if one person struggles you all struggle as a group.
Yes, Group Process is a word we heard all the time. Yes we struggled as a group.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on June 27, 2007, 09:35:47 PM
Familiar terminology with Three Springs and Eckerds who both utilized group process.
What behavior towards the person who was struggling was encouraged by staff?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on June 27, 2007, 11:53:36 PM
It kind of depended on what staff wanted. But if staff wanted peers to be confrontational they would be. Like if I was telling the truth and no one believed me and I got upset because of that, staff would start saying "you're lying" or "be real" and of course peers would jump in with the same. Do you think group process is bad?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on June 27, 2007, 11:57:02 PM
Depends on how its used.
As a confrontational tool to break a kid down yes it is wrong. That sort of thing is never ok no matter how its is carried out. But as a tool to support a struggling member of a group its ok.
By support I mean offering encouragement and praise to help a person, not to beat him or her up more.
It is a very fine line to walk. Nothing pushes a person quicker than peer pressure. You know how it works. As an individual you can resist far longer if it is just staff ranting and raving.
But your whole group stuck with you is harder. That much more pressure for you to face.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on July 15, 2007, 10:53:15 AM
To refresh my memory:
When you first arrived were you searched?
If yes what did that process entail?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on July 17, 2007, 09:07:54 AM
You have to be "seen" when you first get there (undo bra, pull out your pockets pull down your pants run your hands down your legs, and take your socks off.) Being seen is something that happens often, after chores and every time you go off the unit. It does not always include taking your pants totally off, sometimes it was just running your thumb around your waistband and pulling out your pockets and running your hands down your pant leg. After you are seen the first time you are required to take a shower and given STU clothes.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on July 17, 2007, 12:23:24 PM
How did that process make you feel?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Hrt2hrtScandal on July 17, 2007, 03:25:14 PM
kind of like a person threw a glass bottle at my face by accident.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: antilifeequation on July 17, 2007, 05:28:07 PM
I can see that you two have a kind of back and forth thing going right now, but I just wanted to interject with a general question about this forum. I'm new and would like to tell my story. I assume that starting a new topic would be the best way to go about it. My question is: Are there any reasons, legal or otherwise, for me not to call out specific staff by their first and/or last names when I am describing my time there? I certainly have no intention of slandering anyone; the offenses and slights I suffered at PV are horrific enough on their own and need no exaggeration or embellishment. It will take me awhile, I imagine, to convey my experiences there but I am anxious to share with those of you who have suffered similar experiences or love someone who had to suffer them.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on July 17, 2007, 08:39:49 PM
Let's start your own thread for the time being.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: milkblood on July 25, 2007, 03:01:36 AM
i was admitted to peninsula village in JUNE* 2003 and was discharged from the cabins in febuary 2004. I was there a total of 8 months. I was strapped down to a bed 2 or 3 times. I witnessed many things that were very questionable. I can answer any questions about the cabins, STU, or anything with Peninsula Village. I was in the lockdown unit for 4 months and was in the cabin for the remainder of my stay. I graduated from the program. I was on the girls side and was 16 at the time. I am now 20 years old.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: psy on July 25, 2007, 03:11:36 AM
Quote from: ""antilifeequation""
I can see that you two have a kind of back and forth thing going right now, but I just wanted to interject with a general question about this forum. I'm new and would like to tell my story. I assume that starting a new topic would be the best way to go about it. My question is: Are there any reasons, legal or otherwise, for me not to call out specific staff by their first and/or last names when I am describing my time there?
Nope. I encourage it. Especially if those staff work there. As long as what you say is true you have nothing to fear.
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I certainly have no intention of slandering anyone; the offenses and slights I suffered at PV are horrific enough on their own and need no exaggeration or embellishment.
A lot of people (stupid people) who read this forum think "oh this is just a bunch of fucked up program failures with grudges who exaggerate and manipulate". What they don't undestand is exactly what you just said. There is no need to exaggerate to show precisely how bad these programs are. Don't be afraid to speak out. Programs will threaten a lot of legal action but will rarely, if ever take you to court. It usually ends bad for the program (people with similar experiencs come forward... staff come forward.. subpoeans start flying around and internal documents hit the press...)
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It will take me awhile, I imagine, to convey my experiences there but I am anxious to share with those of you who have suffered similar experiences or love someone who had to suffer them.
Ya. I was not in PV, but I was in a program. There are an increasing amount of ex-PV ppl showing up here. The more you speak out, the more courage others will have to do the same. It's like a chain reaction.
Welcome to Fornits
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: milkblood on July 25, 2007, 03:16:27 AM
i found a schedule from PV in my PV notebook. it gives a great idea to how structured our time was. the schedule was pretty much the same every day (wake up times, eating times, group therapy) but the activities like Tai Chi and washing the van were different each day. (This is from the cabins)
Wednesdays
6:00am- Wake up 6:15am- bathhouse/hygiene/pray 6:35am- lanterns/trash 6:45am- Meditation @ YC (the dining hall) 7:00am- breakfast 7:28am- clean up/split rotation/porta/dump and fill gott (porta is short for porta john. there was no running watter in the cabins so we had to use porta johns. There were restrooms at the YC, bathhouse and school, though.) 8:00am- voc/toolshed 11:30am- clean up/toolshed 11:55am- line up/geloha (gelohas set the table for dining.) 12:00pm- lunch 12:33pm- clean up/rotation/porta 1:00pm- group therapy @ cabin 2:00pm- cabin jobs/shower clothes 2:35pm- voc/toolshed 4:45pm- clean up/toolshed 5:10pm- line up/geloha 5:15pm- dinner 5:43pm- clean up/split rotation/lanterns 6:00pm- CD Work (CD work was our AA and NA 12 step work) 6:30pm- consequences 7:00pm- Tai Chi 7:15pm- pirority work/work on skit/consequences 8:15pm- meds @ nursing 8:30pm- showers 9:30pm- wrap up/last porta 10:00pm- bedtime
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on July 25, 2007, 08:29:47 AM
How long did you spend in the STU?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: milkblood on July 25, 2007, 02:16:24 PM
I was in STU for 4 months and in the cabins for 4 months
Title: Shortenings / explanation
Post by: Covergaard on July 25, 2007, 03:56:12 PM
Just to clarify it for the PV-page (http://http://www.secretprisonsforteens.dk/US/PeninsulaVillage.htm) on secretprisonsforteens:
Porta = Portable toilet (http://http://www.portapotti.nl/) or was it more rustic like a metal container, which has to be remove from underneath a latrine (http://http://www.busternus.com/rvn/1966%201058%20latrine%20in%20base%20camp.jpg)
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: milkblood on July 25, 2007, 04:35:30 PM
they were porta johns, three in total. they were cleaned out by a company every Tuesday night.
I looked on your page and there were no wells at the cabin. We had water in the 5 gallon Gott we carried around all the time. we were not allowed to drink water while we were in for the night, unless the staff was asked and allowed us to. Sometimes they did, sometimes they didn't. I saw that you had linked my old diaryland diary on your page!
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on July 25, 2007, 09:04:10 PM
Covergaard use Private messages to conduct your secret prison business in the future.
moving along:
I noticed that school didn't seem to be offered on that schedule. Is there a reason for that?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Kreflo on July 25, 2007, 09:49:27 PM
Damn Boy, It look like Slim Pickens be ridin that nucular bum all the way down to PV. The PV war room is only partially underground. Maybe Mr. Sir needs to get those cabin crews on some REAL hole digging.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: milkblood on July 25, 2007, 10:23:20 PM
Quote from: ""TS Waygookin""
I noticed that school didn't seem to be offered on that schedule. Is there a reason for that?
we did not have school on wednesdays. I cannot remember how many times a week we were doing schoolwork, but it was at least 2 days a week.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on July 25, 2007, 10:41:35 PM
What sort of school work, teachers, classroom was provided for this twice a week of education?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: milkblood on July 25, 2007, 10:50:09 PM
Quote from: ""TS Waygookin""
What sort of school work, teachers, classroom was provided for this twice a week of education?
The schoolhouse was a one room building with a bathroom.There were 5 teachers when i was there. 1 was the "principle". The 'classrooms' were maybe 4 or 5 rows of student desks placed in front of the teacher's desk. The classes offered were the basics you find in high school: science, mathematics, literature. The work was pretty independent. there was no real teaching to a class going on. if you had a question you approached the teacher's desk and asked for help.
In STU one teacher comes to the unit and all the girls collect their schoolwork. Level 2s and 3s get to sit at the table in the center of the room and do their schoolwork. level 1 did their work on their beds. If you had a question for the teacher you raised your hand (which is how you are able to talk all the time, except in group therapy or dining at the table if you are not a level 1).
(http://http://peninsulavillage.org/images/p5_school_blding3.jpg) the desks were not like that, though. the chair was attached to the desk and there was nowhere to put things inside of it.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on July 26, 2007, 10:25:57 AM
Did any of the students have any special education needs? If they did were those needs attended to by a licensed special ed instructor?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: milkblood on July 26, 2007, 02:23:24 PM
no, none of the students, while I was there, needed any special education.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on July 26, 2007, 08:38:32 PM
Do you feel your educational needs were properly tended to?
also..
On page 8 9 and 10 hrt2break describes the therapy of PV. Could you add anything to the following sections:
What was the individual therapy like?
What was the group therapy like?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: milkblood on July 27, 2007, 12:24:32 AM
i do feel that my educational needs were tended to properly. i was doing the schoolwork that i needed to be doing at that point in my life. i did not graduate school from PV though because I was doing 11th grade work.
each girl in the cabins was given a individual therapist that we saw once(?) a week. we were taken out of class for it. we were driven in a van by a staff member down the main road to the admissions unit, (where all the therapists are). you have a one hour session with your therapist and then the van comes to transport you back to the schoolhouse. we talked about individual issues, but a lot of the things I talked about with my therapist were things that were going on around campus. i cannot really recall how often we had group therapy. some days it was once a day and some days it was twice. we had a special group therapy sometimes when the psychiatrist would sit in on, some where the addiction specialist would sit in on, and some where the other doctor would sit in on. the group therapy sessions would vary from being at the schoolhouse or the cabins.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on July 27, 2007, 09:06:54 AM
Would you care to elaborate on a typical individual counseling session?
With that do you feel that the psychiatrist was respecting your privacy and not divulging information revealed in an individual session?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: milkblood on July 30, 2007, 12:49:09 AM
not every girl in the cabin had individual therapy. i guess the treatment team would decide who would benefit the most from it. it lasted an hour in the admissions building.
when we saw the psychiatrist, we all met him together in a group. we talked about our medications and our issues briefly in front of the other patients. you weren't ever "alone" with the dr. or in his office. in STU you meet with the psychiatrist upon admission to be evaluated. I was tested on STU with inkblots and some other test. not every girl had that done either.
the treatment team consisted of the day to day staff, the psychiatrist, the psychologist, addiction specialist, family therapist and individual therapist if you had one. they were the deciding factor in everything about your treatment.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: nimdA on July 30, 2007, 01:07:00 AM
So anything you said in an individual session wasn't privileged information between you and your psychiatrist?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: milkblood on August 18, 2007, 03:59:35 PM
the individual sessions were private... the groups where we met with our psychiatrists were with the whole group of girls and staff
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Che Gookin on September 27, 2007, 10:46:35 AM
where are we with this interview?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: milkblood on October 04, 2007, 03:16:37 PM
wherever i might be gonef or a few days im not sure
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Che Gookin on October 04, 2007, 11:38:35 PM
The group therapy sessions at Three Springs, where I worked, were conducted using a routine format. The person who was doing the topic would speak for a period of time, the group would give him feedback, and then the counselor would give feedback.
At PV what was the group therapy session routine?
What role did the counselor/youth worker play in these sessions?
What role did the therapist play in these sessions?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: stoodoodog on October 19, 2007, 09:54:27 AM
Quote from: ""Crash Test Dummy""
At PV what was the group therapy session routine?
What role did the counselor/youth worker play in these sessions?
What role did the therapist play in these sessions?
If one can sift through the postings on the PV thread in TT, I think this question has mostly been answered between Free and some of the other posters here and there.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Anonymous on October 29, 2007, 01:28:45 PM
this is from 1999-really creepy back then and even worse now. A cauldron of change?
Treatment begins in a locked unit, the Special Treatment Unit, or STU. This period of treatment typically lasts six to eight weeks and is an extremely intense therapeutic experience. STU is unlike most other locked unit programs and is specifically designed to address resistance and introduce patients to our group-oriented treatment approach, which uses peer pressure to create positive change. Upon completion of the STU phase, patients move to cabins, living in groups of eight to ten. Each cabin is a self-contained treatment unit with its own staff where patients live and work together for the duratio of treatment. As each cabin works to become a therapeutic community, it serves as a cauldron of change, forcing patients to face and work through the problems that led them to the Village.
Peninsula Village is frequently able to reach patients no one else has been able to help. The chief reason Peninsula Village is successful with hard-to-reach patients is its reliance on a group oriented treatment approach. Most Peninsula Village patients have trouble dealing with adult authority figures, but they are quite responsive to peer pressure. Peninsula Village uses this to the advantage of treatment of the adolescent. From the moment of admission patients are members of a group, and it is the other group members -- the patient's peers -- who pressure e patient to work and grow. Peninsula Village staff are trained to create a therapeutic atmosphere so that group members can bring peer pressure to bear on any individual patient's problems.
Treatment is guided by a team that includes psychiatrists, psychologists, licensed clinical social workers, nurses teachers and each unit's staff. All team members work to create strategies that will maximize the group's chances of making a positive impact on the patient. The success of the Peninsula Village programs shows the effectiveness of this approach.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2007, 09:19:21 AM
so what strange brew is being stirred up in the cauldron of change these days?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: act.da on November 29, 2007, 10:56:25 AM
I'd be more than willing to answer any questions anyone might have about PV. Either post a question for me here or send me a PM. Here's a few timeline points for me: - 10+ months at PV - 13+ months total (including other facilities) - Out of "treatment" little over 1 year ago
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Che Gookin on November 30, 2007, 10:51:58 AM
Go back through the thread and answer the questions that seem to catch your attention. Once you get rolling I'll jump in and ask some if I get a hankering to ask a specific question.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: act.da on November 30, 2007, 10:58:21 AM
Quote from: ""nimdA""
What sort of social interactions where you allowed in the STU?
There was a group meeting once sometimes twice a day, but that was just "shame games" and false confessions. During these, if you expressed disapproval, spoke out of turn, didn't pay attention, anything - you'd get sent back to your bed. No talking, gesturing, or sometimes even looking at other patients. Interactions with staff were very limited, mostly to them tormenting or ordering patients around.
Quote from: ""nimdA""
Did you have, or see, any acting out due to boredom in the STU?
Oh yes. Of course there were "attention restraints" and things of that nature, but there were also more subtle clues that everyone was slowly going insane. Repetitive motions such as rocking back and forth, shaking your head, biting fingernails, picking at clothing, these sort of things were common. The walls were in deperate need of a new coat of paint, people would pick flakes of it off just for something to do. It probably could be a safety issue, there were quite a few layers of paint on it already and some of the older ones probably have lead in them.
Quote from: ""nimdA""
Describe the showering and bathing situation. What would happen if you took to long in the shower?
There were only showers. Staff time you in the shower, and they give a VERY small amount of time to shower. Staff will actually start your time before you even make it into the bathroom, so patients sometimes wouldn't even bother trying to take a shower. Staff had no problem pulling patients out of the shower with a full head of shampoo, this caused severe dandruff and occasionally lice.
Quote from: ""nimdA""
When you first arrived were you searched? If yes what did that process entail? How did that process make you feel?
When you first arrive, staff strip and cavity search you. They will also do this whenever they think someone has an item they aren't allowed to have. This could be food, a screw from a wall, a piece of an eating utensil, almost anything staff can come up with. I suspect that a few times this happened, it was done just to humiliate the patients - or possibly even to give some sort of sick gratification to the staff.
If anyone has questions they would like to be answered, ask and I'll try my best to answer in detail.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Anne Bonney on November 30, 2007, 11:13:12 AM
And people wonder why we lump them all in together. I could have written that post about my time in Straight.
They sprang (have sprung?) from the same loins. They use the same techniques, levels systems, confessions, peer culture, compliance/comformity, break 'em down to build 'em up, etc. etc.
And the band played on.....
::noway:: ::noway:: :flame:
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Che Gookin on November 30, 2007, 11:15:33 AM
Quote from: ""Anne Bonney""
And people wonder why we lump them all in together. I could have written that post about my time in Straight.
They sprang (have sprung?) from the same loins. They use the same techniques, levels systems, confessions, peer culture, compliance/comformity, break 'em down to build 'em up, etc. etc.
And the band played on.....
::noway:: ::noway:: :flame:
If you are gonna post in my forum at least show us your ass.
lols.. just kidding.. good point in your post.. Same old shit different wrapper.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Che Gookin on November 30, 2007, 11:17:27 AM
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nimdA wrote: Describe the showering and bathing situation. What would happen if you took to long in the shower?
There were only showers. Staff time you in the shower, and they give a VERY small amount of time to shower. Staff will actually start your time before you even make it into the bathroom, so patients sometimes wouldn't even bother trying to take a shower. Staff had no problem pulling patients out of the shower with a full head of shampoo, this caused severe dandruff and occasionally lice
To clarify:
Do you mean make the resident leave the shower by threatening them with consquences OR physically taking ahold of a nude resident and forcing them out of the shower?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: act.da on November 30, 2007, 11:56:54 AM
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
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nimdA wrote: Describe the showering and bathing situation. What would happen if you took to long in the shower?
There were only showers. Staff time you in the shower, and they give a VERY small amount of time to shower. Staff will actually start your time before you even make it into the bathroom, so patients sometimes wouldn't even bother trying to take a shower. Staff had no problem pulling patients out of the shower with a full head of shampoo, this caused severe dandruff and occasionally lice
To clarify:
Do you mean make the resident leave the shower by threatening them with consquences OR physically taking ahold of a nude resident and forcing them out of the shower?
They'll literally rip you right out of the shower. I actually heard that one staff member got fired or quit after taking advantage of a similar situation and fondling a patient. Not surprising though, it seems like alot of shady sexual stuff goes on there.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Che Gookin on November 30, 2007, 12:02:43 PM
Please elaborate on this "sexual stuff" by citing examples to the best of your knowledge.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: act.da on November 30, 2007, 12:09:11 PM
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
Please elaborate on this "sexual stuff" by citing examples to the best of your knowledge.
Well there was that staff member that I heard about from an alumni, he said the staff member worked in STU and fondled a patient either during a restraint or a strip-search, the staff member disappeared (either fired or quit) shortly after. Then there was the femal staff that was into bondage, alot of people know about that one. There is one incident that I am a bit weary to post very much about, but I will say that it involved two patients..
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Che Gookin on November 30, 2007, 05:03:18 PM
Any sort of state or police involvement in either events?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: act.da on November 30, 2007, 10:44:59 PM
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
Any sort of state or police involvement in either events?
I don't know for sure about the first two situations, as I wasn't there to know exactly what happened. As for the incident between the two patients, there was no action by outside groups of any sort - the only people PV alerted to this situation were the parents. The families of both the patients were notified once the patients told what had happened, days later. Again, out of respect for the patients I don't want to go into too much detail about this. You can ask more questions about it, I'll just find a way to answer without disclosing the information I'd like to keep private.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Che Gookin on December 01, 2007, 07:19:03 AM
Quote from: ""act.da""
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
Any sort of state or police involvement in either events?
I don't know for sure about the first two situations, as I wasn't there to know exactly what happened. As for the incident between the two patients, there was no action by outside groups of any sort - the only people PV alerted to this situation were the parents. The families of both the patients were notified once the patients told what had happened, days later. Again, out of respect for the patients I don't want to go into too much detail about this. You can ask more questions about it, I'll just find a way to answer without disclosing the information I'd like to keep private.
I understand your position well enough to support your desire to respect patient privacy. At times I've been tempted to relate some fairly intense events of all sorts of natures, but I've decided against it as I wanted to respect the privacy of the person or persons involved.
So onto the next question..
Were the state or local authorities ever called to PV? If yes what were they called to the facility for and what was the outcome?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: act.da on December 01, 2007, 11:20:00 AM
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
Quote from: ""act.da""
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
Any sort of state or police involvement in either events?
I don't know for sure about the first two situations, as I wasn't there to know exactly what happened. As for the incident between the two patients, there was no action by outside groups of any sort - the only people PV alerted to this situation were the parents. The families of both the patients were notified once the patients told what had happened, days later. Again, out of respect for the patients I don't want to go into too much detail about this. You can ask more questions about it, I'll just find a way to answer without disclosing the information I'd like to keep private.
I understand your position well enough to support your desire to respect patient privacy. At times I've been tempted to relate some fairly intense events of all sorts of natures, but I've decided against it as I wanted to respect the privacy of the person or persons involved.
So onto the next question..
Were the state or local authorities ever called to PV? If yes what were they called to the facility for and what was the outcome?
To my knowledge, no outside law enforcement agencies were ever called while I was at PV. There were many times that other patients and I would have jumped at the chance to call 911 if we could, but of course that wouldn't be allowed. Not sure how much good it would do even if we could.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: ZenAgent on December 01, 2007, 01:45:35 PM
Quote from: ""act.da""
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
Quote from: ""act.da""
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
Any sort of state or police involvement in either events?
I don't know for sure about the first two situations, as I wasn't there to know exactly what happened. As for the incident between the two patients, there was no action by outside groups of any sort - the only people PV alerted to this situation were the parents. The families of both the patients were notified once the patients told what had happened, days later. Again, out of respect for the patients I don't want to go into too much detail about this. You can ask more questions about it, I'll just find a way to answer without disclosing the information I'd like to keep private.
I understand your position well enough to support your desire to respect patient privacy. At times I've been tempted to relate some fairly intense events of all sorts of natures, but I've decided against it as I wanted to respect the privacy of the person or persons involved.
So onto the next question..
Were the state or local authorities ever called to PV? If yes what were they called to the facility for and what was the outcome?
To my knowledge, no outside law enforcement agencies were ever called while I was at PV. There were many times that other patients and I would have jumped at the chance to call 911 if we could, but of course that wouldn't be allowed. Not sure how much good it would do even if we could.
Hey, act.da. Are you aware of PV having their own security staff? The Blount County Sheriff's Department claims they do, and I've seen in a patient's records that PV security was called to find out why I was on PV property. More specifically, to find out why I was pissing on the side of one of their buildings. They missed me, of course.
The Blount Sheriff's dep't. refused to do a welfare check on a child at PV, claiming PV had their own security, and the Sheriff would only go to PV if the program called them.
Your postings above are alarming. The PM's on Fornits are not the most secure way to communicate - can you PM me an e-mail address?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: act.da on December 01, 2007, 02:53:41 PM
Quote from: ""ZenAgent""
Hey, act.da. Are you aware of PV having their own security staff? The Blount County Sheriff's Department claims they do, and I've seen in a patient's records that PV security was called to find out why I was on PV property. More specifically, to find out why I was pissing on the side of one of their buildings. They missed me, of course.
The Blount Sheriff's dep't. refused to do a welfare check on a child at PV, claiming PV had their own security, and the Sheriff would only go to PV if the program called them.
When I was at PV, they did have one "security guard". It was really just some old guy that rode around PV in a little tan car with an amber light and a magnetic "Security" sticker on the side. I didn't really see the point of him being there except for intimidation, he looked physically useless.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: act.da on December 01, 2007, 02:54:09 PM
Quote from: ""ZenAgent""
The PM's on Fornits are not the most secure way to communicate - can you PM me an e-mail address?
Done. If anyone else wants it, just PM me.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Che Gookin on December 01, 2007, 06:51:45 PM
How much time did you spend with a regular group after your STU stay?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: act.da on December 01, 2007, 07:07:37 PM
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
How much time did you spend with a regular group after your STU stay?
I'm not sure I understand your question, if you mean the outdoor program or another program all together. In my 10 months at PV I spent about 3 1/2 months in the outdoor program and about 6 1/2 months in STU (or BAAU as they call it now)
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Che Gookin on December 01, 2007, 07:17:44 PM
3.5 months... Does PV charge more per diem for the BAAU than the Outdoor program?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: act.da on December 01, 2007, 07:39:15 PM
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
3.5 months... Does PV charge more per diem for the BAAU than the Outdoor program?
Hmm... I can't answer that question with much confidence either way, but I don't think that one costs more than the other. Again, I'm not 100% sure on that one.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Che Gookin on December 01, 2007, 07:46:00 PM
I'm curious as it seems that more time seems to be spent in the STU/BAAU than in the outdoors groups.
At any rate can you describe a typical day in the BAAU vs Outdoors group?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: act.da on December 02, 2007, 09:58:59 AM
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
I'm curious as it seems that more time seems to be spent in the STU/BAAU than in the outdoors groups.
At any rate can you describe a typical day in the BAAU vs Outdoors group?
Well I can't find the schedules that were taken home with me, so I'll repost what was on the Fornits Wiki:
STU/AAU
Cabins
Not all of this is completely accurate anymore, but it gives a general idea. Also, there are schedule differences between the female and male sides that the above posted schedules don't reflect.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Che Gookin on December 02, 2007, 02:05:46 PM
I asked because I wanted to see if the schedule had changed any. Could you illustrate any differences that you are aware of?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: act.da on December 02, 2007, 03:48:33 PM
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
I asked because I wanted to see if the schedule had changed any. Could you illustrate any differences that you are aware of?
For the STU/AAU schedule:
- not sure what these things called "Morning activity" "Afternoon activity" and "Evening activity" are, don't remember them being a part of the everyday routine - no "Priority time" after lunch - "School" was not common - the way this schedule is written, it makes the day seem like there is something planned for every moment of the day. This is not true- most of these activities are very short, and the time inbetween is "Quiet time"
For the Cabin schedule:
- no "Meditation @ YC" - "Group therapy @ cabin" usually wasn't at the cabin - "Tai Chi" was done once or twice while I was there, not a part of the everyday routine - there were no "porta"s at the boys cabins. if you needed to go to the bathroom in the night you have to wake everyone up and go in the woods, with staff supervision of course - a very large amount of the day is spent walking back and forth between the school, YC, cabins, garden, med station, ext.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Che Gookin on December 02, 2007, 04:13:07 PM
Could you describe your impressions of Group therapy in the Outdoors groups?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: act.da on December 02, 2007, 08:43:44 PM
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
Could you describe your impressions of Group therapy in the Outdoors groups?
The first thing that comes into my mind is "false confessions". If you confess something about your past, staff and peers will try to coerce you into admitting to more. The pressure is huge, so many patients end up making their drug or alcohol problems out to be much more severe than they really were. Some would cave in and also admit completely false deeds just to "fit in". Staff will push patients to "hold peers accountable", which usually results in harassment between patients, with the hope of moving up and out of the program.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Che Gookin on December 02, 2007, 10:39:29 PM
Quote from: ""act.da""
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
Could you describe your impressions of Group therapy in the Outdoors groups?
The first thing that comes into my mind is "false confessions". If you confess something about your past, staff and peers will try to coerce you into admitting to more. The pressure is huge, so many patients end up making their drug or alcohol problems out to be much more severe than they really were. Some would cave in and also admit completely false deeds just to "fit in". Staff will push patients to "hold peers accountable", which usually results in harassment between patients, with the hope of moving up and out of the program.
Could you explain how they coherce you into giving false confessions?
What kind of harrassment are we talking about between patients?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: act.da on December 03, 2007, 02:53:38 PM
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
Quote from: ""act.da""
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
Could you describe your impressions of Group therapy in the Outdoors groups?
The first thing that comes into my mind is "false confessions". If you confess something about your past, staff and peers will try to coerce you into admitting to more. The pressure is huge, so many patients end up making their drug or alcohol problems out to be much more severe than they really were. Some would cave in and also admit completely false deeds just to "fit in". Staff will push patients to "hold peers accountable", which usually results in harassment between patients, with the hope of moving up and out of the program.
Could you explain how they coherce you into giving false confessions?
What kind of harrassment are we talking about between patients?
Staff saying things like "you won't get anywhere with treatment unless you tell us the truth" and "do you know how long we've kept kids here before?". They will tell other patients to single out their peers, or neither of them will progress through the program. I specifically remember one incident where a staff member exclaiming to a patient in group therapy "ride their ass!", in reference to that patient verbally intimidating another patient into confessing to something he didn't do.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: ZenAgent on December 03, 2007, 03:19:03 PM
Quote from: ""act.da""
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
3.5 months... Does PV charge more per diem for the BAAU than the Outdoor program?
Hmm... I can't answer that question with much confidence either way, but I don't think that one costs more than the other. Again, I'm not 100% sure on that one.
Quick note to Che: It does cost more for the lockdown/BAAU/STU. It seems the length of time in the lockdown is determined by the funding available to the patient. Private pay, more private hell.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Che Gookin on December 03, 2007, 03:46:12 PM
Quote from: ""ZenAgent""
Quote from: ""act.da""
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
3.5 months... Does PV charge more per diem for the BAAU than the Outdoor program?
Hmm... I can't answer that question with much confidence either way, but I don't think that one costs more than the other. Again, I'm not 100% sure on that one.
Quick note to Che: It does cost more for the lockdown/BAAU/STU. It seems the length of time in the lockdown is determined by the funding available to the patient. Private pay, more private hell.
I'm almost betting the cost per diem is higher for the BAAU than the outdoors groups. Almost every single PV survivor I've encountered on these here exalted fori have demonstrated a remarkablely longer stay in the BAAU than the outdoors groups.
Lemme look into it.. I know someone who might be able to help sort this matter out.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Che Gookin on December 03, 2007, 03:53:07 PM
Quote
Staff saying things like "you won't get anywhere with treatment unless you tell us the truth" and "do you know how long we've kept kids here before?". They will tell other patients to single out their peers, or neither of them will progress through the program. I specifically remember one incident where a staff member exclaiming to a patient in group therapy "ride their ass!", in reference to that patient verbally intimidating another patient into confessing to something he didn't do.
How long do these sessions last?
How hard are the residents encouraged to intimidate each other?
How often is this intimidation encouraged?
Does progress in the program seem linked to carrying out the staff's verbal directions to "ride their ass"?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: stoodoodog on December 03, 2007, 09:26:48 PM
Quote from: ""ZenAgent""
Quote from: ""act.da""
Quote from: ""Che Gookin""
3.5 months... Does PV charge more per diem for the BAAU than the Outdoor program?
Hmm... I can't answer that question with much confidence either way, but I don't think that one costs more than the other. Again, I'm not 100% sure on that one.
Quick note to Che: It does cost more for the lockdown/BAAU/STU. It seems the length of time in the lockdown is determined by the funding available to the patient. Private pay, more private hell.
As of late 2006 STU is $425.00 per day Open Village Program $380.00 per day This amount does not include physician and "other professional charges" Also, "other ancillary charges such as pharmacy and laboratory, etc..." I think this figure is mentioned somewhere else on the board, but deposits of $8700.00 up front, $8700.00 for the first full month of admission and $8700.00 reserved for the last month of service are required no later than the first day of admission.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Che Gookin on December 04, 2007, 04:43:05 AM
Hmmm... ok does anyone see here the problem with charging more for the STU than the open village program?? Or is it just me??
I also can't for the life of me believe that they charge extra for a take down. If it was my program I'd fine the counselors everytime they couldn't demonstrate the take down was in response to an IMMEDIATE threat to the wellbeing of the client or to another client.
Fricking wierdos.
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: act.da on December 12, 2007, 01:04:39 PM
Sorry about disappearing for awhile, real life had me tied up for a bit. Finally got that video up on YouTube: http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIzh6eg8lI4
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Che Gookin on December 12, 2007, 06:11:53 PM
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Che Gookin on December 12, 2007, 06:12:57 PM
Perhaps you could splice in windows after specific staff detailing their many transgressions?
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Anonymous on January 02, 2008, 07:34:46 PM
i know someone usually post this but I didn't see it here yet
:roll: I had a hard time looking at that one. The cover story is very poorly written and by himself of all people...
Title: My experiance
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2008, 02:06:01 PM
As a resident of P-village for 6 months I believe i can add some value to this discussion. When i was there (i think around 2002?) my entire experiance was located in the STU. Through my experiance here I saw many different things and had many different experiances. I would say that the things that struck me most were the staff. Especially one man...Who i can't remember his name had something out for everyone in the unit. He's persistance in calling us 'passive aggresive' led for a interesting half a year. I can assure you that most of the staff their were not properly trained and most probably didn't even care for us (night staff laughed and talked loudly with the lights on at night).
My first experiance there after all the intake procedures was the bed making. At STU you are required to make your bed in 2 minutes...with flat sheet fitted shit pillow case ext....all with perfect corners. My first attempt I believed lasted about 5 minutes....after which a staff member through my sheets everywhere around the unit and made me go again...until i was finished.
Other basic needs were also withheld...You couldn't go outside for at least 6 weeks....You were not allowed to look out the windows (shades were closed anyways)....talking was not allowed...after your bed was made you had to sit cross legged on your bed (well mattress was pushed up...u lived in a cubby). And could not move. In order to ask questions you must raise your hand and ask may i approach the box? which was this little taped off box in the middle of hte room. If they said yes you go to it and ask your question.
If per chance you said soomething out of turn...Or spoke without permission the entire group would have to stand up and look at the clock for 10 minutes...or more if someone moved.
Peninisula village was the worst 6 months of my life...no outside contact and you parents couldn't believe you because they were told you would say things like you wanted to say....It was like from a movie...
I can say now that i am a sucessful student...about to graduate college and in no way did P-village help me....It is buried in my mind...
If anyone has any question feel free to ask
Title: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2008, 07:34:48 PM
Hey Tom, I was there from January 2001 to early Febuary 2002. Give me a description of the STU staff member and I can probably get you a name.
Title: Re: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: stoodoodog on October 20, 2008, 02:26:19 PM
I have a question for this thread...what happened to DYS? He always had good input here and was one of the first PV kids to come out and tell his story.
Title: Re: Peninsula Village Q/A thread
Post by: MiMatt on October 22, 2008, 05:16:22 PM
I was at PV from Dec. 93 - April 94, If anyone has any questions about Vance Sherwood's reign of terror, I'd be happy to answer them, as best I can.
My story is located here, but I didn't tell all of it. There's a helluva lot more I should've added, but It was late at night when I found this forum, and my story would take about several weeks to type out.
And does anyone remember the name of that scary looking Jewish psychologist, that was there in the early 90's, with the ultra curly hair, and the 2 inch thick glasses? I think he was probably my worst experience at PV. I loathed group sessions with him.
And can someone verify if Mr. Gorman (If anyone remembers him..) was really Steve Gorman's (drummer for the Black Crowes) brother? I heard rumors that he was....