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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: enough on November 01, 2002, 12:41:00 AM
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I just noticed this today, the DFAF, the alleged current incarnation of the non profit foundation that was behind straight inc. has started their own forum as of today. Betty Sembler founded the DFAF in 1996, and Jeb and Columba Bush sit on the board of directors/trustees.
They can't make you sit down, they can't grab your beltloop, and they can't tell you what is or is not a feeling anymore.
Keep in mind that these people have no compunction about legal bullying tactics, so if you post there, choose your word with caution.
http://dfaf.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x?a=cfrm&s=854600457 (http://dfaf.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x?a=cfrm&s=854600457)
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Hey thanks for that post but I can't get the link to work. Could you repost? I can't wait to see that board.
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Hmmm the link worked fine for me today, but you can easily get there by visiting dfaf.org, and then following links to the forum section.
DFAF
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Quick! Go look before they delete Bingo's posts!!
Here's DFAF's corporate record:
http://ccfcorp.dos.state.fl.us/scripts/ ... DATION&r5= (http://ccfcorp.dos.state.fl.us/scripts/cordet.exe?a1=DETFIL&n1=735636&n2=NAMFWD&n3=0002&n4=N&r1=&r2=&r3=&r4=DRUGFREEAMERICAFOUNDATION&r5=)
Down near the bottom, there's a link to Name Change History.
http://ccfcorp.dos.state.fl.us/scripts/ ... 6&n2=DOMNP (http://ccfcorp.dos.state.fl.us/scripts/corevt.exe?a1=DETNAM&n1=735636&n2=DOMNP)
which shows
EVENT TYPE FILED EFFECTIVE DESCRIPTION
DATE DATE
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NAME CHANGE 12/05/1995 OLD NAME WAS : THE STRAIGHT FOUNDAT
AMENDMENT ION, INC.
NAME CHANGE 09/26/1985 OLD NAME WAS : STRAIGHT, INC.
AMENDMENT
BTW, who's
HOLTON, JAMES W ESQ.
14501 GULF BLVD.
MADERIA BEACH FL 33708
Is that anywhere near Miller's house?
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
American P.O.W. 10/80 - 10/82
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
Anonymity Anonymous
[ This Message was edited by: Antigen on 2002-11-01 16:02 ]
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I made note of Bingo's post on my site.
I blogged that corporate record link.
That to me, is the key record for a class action suit.
Sammie get us a lawyer!!!!!
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and I just posted last night. I thought they would let me stay on forum for at least a little while (NOT) - they just don't like the truth. Read my post under twistedstraightin'78
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All hail bingo the clown.
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Now that aint right. People were posting to the DFAF site and doing quite well I might add and low and behold.. Its gone.. the link dont work.
Umm wonder if they didnt like our post? We were only trying to follow the first and most important rule of honesty
:roll:
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Marti, you forgot the caveat in that rule...THEY DECIDE WHAT IS HONEST<
We are full of shit,they think
We are not, AND WE WILL NOT HAVE A SEAT
Billibus Maximus
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And who says we have no impact. One Board gone bye bye
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Yup, I just went to look and see and it seems that our level of honesty is a bit to high for their tastes.
I am not really sure who they expected to come and post to an open web forum on their site, most people that I know have little or no time for such exercises in triviality.
It was fun to read the truth being published on their own site for a day- frankly I am suprised it lasted so long.
[ This Message was edited by: enough on 2002-11-02 08:24 ]
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THAT board has been shut down tight!! Here are some links I found. I am surfing around looking for more forums for us to post in, and sharing interesting links as I go.
http://usliberals.about.com/cs/drugs/ (http://usliberals.about.com/cs/drugs/)
http://www.sustainableenterprises.com/C ... policy.htm (http://www.sustainableenterprises.com/Community/drugpolicy.htm)
Good article http://www.hempbc.com/articles/2072.html (http://www.hempbc.com/articles/2072.html)
http://www.rickross.com/reference/strai ... ght24.html (http://www.rickross.com/reference/straight/straight24.html)
http://www.drcnet.org/wol/198.html#trebachconference (http://www.drcnet.org/wol/198.html#trebachconference)
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You got that right, DFAF is running scared now. I hope this is a sign of things to come. I am writing to the white house, they may be interested to know about their DFAF buddies censoring partially public property. By closing the forum, could they be admitting all of our stories to be true and this action of theirs may be a godsend of sorts? MG8
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Um the IRS might find it interesting what happened, since they are already in potential hot water for refusing to release documents during an in person visit from aformer client.
If you look here there are rules about public disclosure for 501 c 3 tax exempt organizations. Read through it, and then file your own request if you like, the address is on the dfaf website.
I would suggest that if you choose to make a request, that you send it via certified and return receipt requested- so that you will be notified and have a record of when they receive your request.
You might want to send a duplicate copy to the IRS, to the local DA, to the Justice Department, and to the ST. Pete Times as well.
There is specific information about which forms they must release by law, and the time span and charges that may be applied to such a request- follow the rules and be polite.
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Keep in mind, I am not telling anyone to do anything, merely informing you all of your rights as citizens to request such information from any 501 c 3 tax exempt organization.
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This general note to all. Beware sending hostile or threatening email or posts to government sites. You can say what you wish, but keep in mind that without an anonomous proxy set-up, you can be EASILY tracked. Especially by powerful people in government with deals with the ISPs.
Turning off cookies and scripting helps a bit with security, but...
Bill
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That trebach conference link is a article that DRC did during the first conference in Bethesda two years ago- I never once received any contacts via that article- meaning that they either have very low readership or very lazy readership, or both.
FYI.
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Ok I went there and joined and they asked reason for joining and I put Straight inc Survivor....and nothing they let me join but I could not get to any forums. What is that about??? I could see that Scott was on there but I couldn't get anywhere. What the fuck is that? Oh and remember NO PROFANITY MOTHER FUCKERS ONLY LIKE MENTAL OR PHYSICAL ABUSE NO VERBAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :GRRRRR
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I have to agree forcefully with Tampa Survivor here- Sending threatening or harrasing emails of any kind is NOT the way to affect change in a positive way, and is likely to become a pain in the ass blowback for everyone who is trying to make a difference.
However, sending polite forthright and simple requests that are well within the law is not a big deal. IF you send a letter though- make sure that you have it certified or registered, and keep a copy for yourself.
Sending email's to DFAF is a waste of time, and will only inflame the rage that these people feel. It may give you a short term high, but it can easily come back to haunt you if you use language that can be interpreted as abusive, agressive or even vaguely threatening- keep your head level when dealing with those who have political and LEO connections.
Key point also - once someone asks you in email to stop making contact- that is considered a legal cease and desist request- any futher emails can easily be proesecuted as harrasment, if the subject of your attentions so chooses to expend the funds necessary to carry forth legal action, you can easily be dragged into cival court.
The point here people is not to antagnize the people at DFAF- it is to hold them accountable- remember that if we remain calm, and thoughtful and respectful- and they react with wild accusations and indictments- they will be the ones who end up looking foolish in most people's eyes.
But then what do I know, after all I am just a lousy fifth phase trainee who couldn't seven step and ended up leaving the program.
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You know quite a bit. Your advice is excellent as a matter of fact. I kept that stuff in mind when I posted. For me personally however, I'm not worried about being sued by the Semblers. All I have is debt and they are welcome to it.
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I feel much the same way in my own personal situation, I have a car, but that is hard to take away in court, and besides, I can't imagine them wanting my Saturn for any other reason than to be mean spirited. I am unemployed, diagnosed with chronic PTSD, I collect no government funds, I have nightmares virtually every day, have been in and out of hospitals for suicidal tendancies, and pretty much live on the good graces of my friends and family already.
Frankly it would look most unbecoming for them to take the time to confront me in court. And they are unlikely to be moved to such action unless they begin to suspect that we are reaching an audience outside of the few of us involved with this forum or the relatively small DPF and other sensible drug policy advocates.
Never the less- It is wise to use caution.
The Semblers themselves- do not ever get personally involved with people like us- indeed Betty was quoted in a threatening legal action (http://www.theagitator.com/archives/001360.php#001360).
This is the reason I urge caution and well thought out statements and actions with regard to the DFAF. It was not until Radley Balko had been on the brink of a major form of press exposure, on a nationwide basis that they chose to take such drastic action.
And I am sorry to say that they succeeded in silencing Radley, who has chosen not to risk a libel/defamation lawsuit by publishing his article.
Personally I find it a shame that people like Soros, Sperling and others with deep pockets do not offer to provide journalists like Radley with legal dedense resources. It adds creedence in my mind to the idea that they have an agenda based solely on legalizing drugs, which I mau or may not agree with- though I think that the idea of getting the truth out in the mass media about what really happened in Straight and other offshoot gulags is a far more noble cause.
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Oh yeah, what ever happened with Radley Balko? I saw his article, but I missed the rest of the story to which you allude. He was threatened?
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On 2002-11-02 19:43:00, enough wrote:
Personally I find it a shame that people like Soros, Sperling and others with deep pockets do not offer to provide journalists like Radley with legal dedense resources. It adds creedence in my mind to the idea that they have an agenda based solely on legalizing drugs, which I mau or may not agree with- though I think that the idea of getting the truth out in the mass media about what really happened in Straight and other offshoot gulags is a far more noble cause.
I think there's more to it than that. I know Soros is heavily invested in treatment. ASAMS backed Prop215, albiet at the last minute. Seems that crew is only interested in funding the medicalization of all drug use; including forced treatment.
I think the reason we've had a hard time making friends in the reform movement is that this kind of bad press on forced treatment goes against the treatment not jail movement.
But some of the best and the brightest, imo, are among the most influential, if not the most wealthy, dpf opinion makers. And they are definitely coming around. They do do their homework. They live and breath skepticism, of necesity, I think. But, eventually, the just keep coming around to the most logical, sensible conclusions.
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Radley made a fatal error with regard to the process of hatchet journalism, by his own admission at the link above, click on it and read his side of the story.
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Is the forum at DFAF back up? There is a forum topic adna sinlge post from the Administrator, where is that durn clown when we need him/her?
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On 2002-11-01 15:43:00, enough wrote:
Hmmm the link worked fine for me today, but you can easily get there by visiting dfaf.org, and then following links to the forum section.
DFAF
BLEH!!! GAG!!!! What a disgusting website!
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Yup this is the modern day version of straight foundation. look here for evidence. scrool down and click on name change history.