Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
MONARCH ACADEMY, MONTANA
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2006-03-04 15:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I think information coming from parents who currently have kids in these programs or have kids who recently came out of a program is more valuable than the crap you are spewing here. You have no specific knowledge of these programs. There is an occasional post on here by someone with firsthand information- a number of these have been pro-program. These people don't stick around long, of course. There are many parents on ST who are willing to share the short-comings of the program they KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT. All it takes is a one line post on the Programs sections asking "Please contact me with information about _____." What is censorship about THAT? "
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You know, that one post of yours reveals your whole entire problem.
The only kind of person who can see the parents as having "firsthand" information is someone who doesn't see the kids as people at all.
All the parents' information is strictly secondhand. They've never lived in those facilities in the Program. All they know is what the Program operators have chosen to allow them to see, what the Program operators say to them---they're deaf to the kids *except* when the kids are telling them what they want to hear.
Just like you are.
You've depersonalized these people just like the middle-class women who hired black southern women, under Jim Crow, to clean their houses and cook their food, and paid them a pittance, and called them "girls." Just like the white men and women who would walk past a black man or woman in a grocery line without even thinking twice about it.
You can condone anything being done to these kids, because you see "parents" as people.
You'd say of course you know teens are people, and you'll think I'm being ridiculous. But you saw the parents as people worth listening to, and the kids are only an afterthought---and even then, only after someone has pointed out to you that you didn't mention them.
My family is from Alabama. Never lived there myself, but all my relatives are from there. I've seen what it looks like when some otherwise nice-seeming person depersonalizes a while group of people without even noticing they're doing it.
I've seen it more times than I can count, and more than enough to recognize it when I see it again, just with the "those people" group changed.
What it looks like is just like you.
Julie
Anonymous:
See above: I said "middle-class women" when what I really meant was "middle-class white women."
When you're raised in a culture, even when you know it has preconceptions you don't agree with and don't want, it's insidious. You have to watch for it or the same old thing can slip by you.
Our culture depersonalizes children, but depersonalizes teenagers more than children of any other age.
Unfortunately, Program Parents and Programs raise this to a high art.
The Programs are to teenagers what the KKK is to African Americans. Sure, it's okay for "those people" to exist, but only if they "know their place."
Ginger---if you're reading this, would it be presumptuous to ask you to add that last paragraph to the quote rotation?
Julie
Anonymous:
Not quite, Julie. You have heard from kids who have attended various programs who have come here to give their support and impressions of the program. You refuse to listen to anyone- even a teen- unless they have something negative to say. YOU are the one excluding a whole class of people as not having worth. In this case- parents! You think we are not worthy enough or intelligent enough to make an honest assessment of a program based on WHAT OUR OWN KIDS TELL US DURING AND AFTER THE PROGRAM, as well as the extensive research most of us have done.
Read your words- you are the one beating down a class of people!
Anonymous:
all the things you guys are saying are completely false. i went to monarch school i was there for two years. i lived with patrick, and tim and ron in patricks house with his kids and his wife. i started the school. i built the school from the ground up with te three others in my peer group. i llived there all of the horrible things that people say are happening DID NOT HAPPEN. no one had physical force used against them. if a faculty member ever did he/she would be fired immediately. that was not tolerated. yes in the beggining your phone calls were monitared but as you continued on throughout the program your freedom and privalgies grew and grew by the time i graduated i was basically free do to anything within reason. as for steve. he is one of the nicest, most wonderful, caring, loving person i have ever known. same goes for tim. i trust both of them with my life. i love them with my whole heart. yes like everywhere there are some poor staff you can't escape that but overall i had a wonderful respect for most all (95%) of the staff. for the mother who is worried about your daughter's friend. he is in good hands.
Anonymous:
also dan is tim's father not brother. and he did not leave carmen for a student nor did steve sleep with a student.what you are saying is competely blashamous and get your facts stright before you say/write anything
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