Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Mission Mountain School
What I am asking and what I want Answers too..
katfish:
--- Quote ---On 2005-05-12 10:53:00, sarahf wrote:
"To quote the great (and yes I mean great) Mike Finn, "Fair only happens in Pomona once a year."
If you hate MMS so much then move on and forget about it. They are not responsible for you misery. You are.
If you've made poor choices and feel guilty or unhappy that is not the school's problem.
Things that I have been descirbed in these pages as abuse I think is way off. I was forced to eat food I hate, and made to perform all manner of physical labor against my will. But that was the whole point. It wasn't about the food or the task, but about relinquishing control and changing. Again to quote Mike, "The best you could do got you there," so if you think that you would have been better off without MMS I think you are probably wrong. "
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I was thinking about replying to this, but this is so very much MMS talking that I can't even bring myself to respond as I normally would. Mike Finn, the great Mike Finn. LOL, now that's very funny. Correction, how about, 'the greatly disturbed, power hungry, aggressive Mike Finn'...Now that's better...
And how about the poor choices part/unhappiness not being MMS fault, being our fault- did anyone even say that we were unhappy? Even if someone out there critical of MMS is unhappy, what on earth does being happy have to do with anything?? Completely nonsensical to me. Clarification: We're talking abuse and righting wrongs, not unhappiness. Now if you're saying us having problems/unahppy with MMS is our own fault, then I recommend reading other posts I and other have written on blaming victims- several girls have said same thing, but the holes in that arguement are so huge you could fit...Mike through 'em!
'The best you could do got you there'- ROTFL - that's so MMS for ya. Gotta give to them, they know how to get girls to follow along their script... Just like "your way doesnt work, now it's time to do things our way" Essentially arguing that you have no right to argue against MMS b/c your too fucked up to get it right and worse, right is what MMS tells you is right.
It's so unreal to me, downright crazy how after many years it's the same old arguement/justification with no variation. Even words are the same, nothing uniquely individual about the arguement above. Same old MMS rhetoric.
sarahf:
so, because i disagree with you, I am just another brainwashed mms flunkie?
i do think that mms is a great place. i don't think it was abusive, i think it was tough. it was supposed to be. i understand that for some people it wasn't a positive experience and that is really sad, but just because some of us had wonderful experiences there doesn't mean that we don't have minds of our own. like i've said before, i don't think it is or was a perfect, but the good far out weighs the bad.
women writing here may not have specifically said that they are unhappy, but spending all this time logging complaints on to a forum, doesn't exactly scream happy and well-adjusted.
i just happened upon this sight and was excited because i thought it might be a way to reconnect with people i had lost touch with. what i've found instead has made me sad. not sad for me, but sad for some of you, so trapped in bitterness that you can't or won't move on.
[ This Message was edited by: sarahf on 2005-05-12 14:01 ]
audge:
i don't check this very often, so if you have specific questions for me please send me an email (audgpodgii@aol.com). i'd actually love to talk to anybody i went to that was there when i was. all we had were each other and even then I was scared of being "called out" so much that i didn't really let myself get too close, no one-no boyfriend, friend, parent- can understand. i don't know what to do now. i really want to let it all go and move on with my life, but i can't in all sincerity while i know there are still girls there who are in fear and parents that are being taken advantage of
my parents didn't do too much research before sending me to montana and didn't know what i was in for. i was sent to mms and felt abandaned- not knowing what my parents were being told about me and not able to tell them how i felt without them being told by the school that i was just being manipulative. i left mms again, having become used to the lies i told myself and almost institutionalized (referring to the comment in another posting about a dream a girl had where she went back to visit and was scared but still felt safe) because at least i knew what to expect. though what i expected wasn't positive, i learned how to fake my way around it. the school convinced me that they knew the truth about everything and always knew better- "keep in touch whenever you need help"- then i was abandaned again when no one returned my phone calls.
i'm very confused, more sad then angry, and hopeful that soon there will be federal regulations on the actions taken by theraputic schools that don't have credentials to be doing what they're doing to teenagers
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-05-12 13:00:00, katfish wrote:
It's so unreal to me, downright crazy how after many years it's the same old arguement/justification with no variation. Even words are the same, nothing uniquely individual about the arguement above. Same old MMS rhetoric.
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Tell me about it!
--- Quote ---And how about the poor choices part/unhappiness not being MMS fault, being our fault- did anyone even say that we were unhappy? Even if someone out there critical of MMS is unhappy, what on earth does being happy have to do with anything??
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This is exactly the same slight of mind they used at The Seed and Straight. If you're not completely, blithely, euphorically happy all the time, then there's "something going on w/ you!" Come on, fess up! It's you! You're the problem! Don't go blaming us just because we broke your stupid nose or some dumb shit! You did the necessary things to make us get a little rough with you!"
It's a stupid trick. Really dumb. Any toddler should be able to see through it. Nobody's 100% happy all the time or really at any time. Ask anybody "Gee, is something bothering you?" and they'll very likely be able to come up w/ something. "Yes, come to think of it, I do have some dark feelings.... please help me!" So this argument works on virtually anyone dumb enough or frazzled enough to accept it w/o challenge.
Oh, and no cheating your way to blissfull euphorea through drugs, sex or anything else. The only way to deliverance is through confession, shame and contrition! Just do that again and again and again until your happy!
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I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat
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sarahf:
i'm not happy all the time, that's not what i'm saying. all i'm saying is that there is a lot of bitterness in this forum and while i think that it sad, i think putting all the blame on a program that helped lots of us is uncalled for and unfair. i looked at the web site for the Straight thing, and i thought it was a joke. i forwarded the link to some of my friends. if that place is real then it is total insanity. comparing mms to that place is absurd.
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