Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Mission Mountain School
Where would you be without MMS?
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-05-04 14:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
When ever I have something I need to look at in my life and I find my self righteously angry about it and blaming someone else for my life-I have to ask my self and sit with this question, "After all didn't I set the ball rolling?"
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Is the answer ever "No"? Or is everything your fault all the time?
The strength of the Constitution lies entirely in the determination of each citizen to defend it. Only if every single citizen feels duty bound to do his share in this defense are constitutional rights secure.
-- Albert Einstein
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Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-05-03 16:20:00, hannah wrote:
Maybe I shouldn't have children then because Being a teenage girl in this world is throughly uncomfortable. Though all I can talk about is my experience, being that I was safer and growing @ MMS. And I think that a question that I would like to pose is what would have become of you if you weren't sent there? I know for me that I definately would not be in college, perhaps dead, on the streets, with no dreams, and still know idea of how to ask for help.
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First off, no one here or anywhere can ever know that. I can guess what would likely have happened in my life if my mom had never joined that cult. And, frankly, my prospects were pretty damned good. And I can tell you that the suicide and general failure rate among people "helped" by attack therapy is extremely high compared to the rest of the population.
--- Quote ---Not everyone has the backbone and fortitude to learn from this tough love based institution and come out better for having gone and Then there is the other outcome feeling abused and worse for having gone. I beleive that I came out of this insitution better for having gone.
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Well I believe you came out of that institution a sanctimonious, self rightious prig. Backbone and fortitude? So everyone who's unhappy w/ the way these people treated them is flawed? If only they had your backbone and fortitude they'd clearly see that they are the worthless losers and MMS is the only salvation for their sorry asses?
And you wonder why people get upset about the things you say? :roll:
The function of the press is very high. It is almost holy. It ought to
serve as a forum for the people, through which the people may know freely what is going on. To misstate or suppress the news is a breach of trust.
--Mr. Justice Brandeis
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Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-05-04 09:23:00, hannah wrote:
I really don't think I would be sober anymore, I know I woudln't have relationships with my Dad.
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Is that because he doesn't support your program?
Hanna, you really shouldn't be carrying around all this guilt. Think about it. What you describe is, believe it or not, a normal teenaged outlook. Teenagers are supposed to be self absorbed, wreckless and adventurous. Sometimes, they've even been known to go way wrong for awhile. That you weren't able to be the grown up when your mom got sick is not a horrible dysfunction. That you grew up at MMS is just tragic. You would have grown up anyway, but it might have been a whole lot more pleasant and you may even still have had a dad.
Ya' just never know about what might have been.
To make certain that crime does not pay, the government should take it
over and try to run it
--G. Norman Collie
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Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-05-04 16:36:00, aileen wrote:
I may have lost my point somewhere in there.
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Yeah, you did. Looks like you got caught up in all the cult lingo and mindset and sort of dazed there for a few. That's what the cult experts call "floating".
Maybe your olddruggie friends weren't all that bad and maybe the sex wasn't always of the hurtful variety? Nobody runs away from the direction of Seattle to get drugs, Hannah. Maybe there was something special about some of those particular druggies?
God is a concept by which we measure our pain.
--John Lennon, British songwriter and member of "The Beatles"
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Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-05-04 16:55:00, aileen wrote:
I don't agree that taking a kid out of what they know for a couple years to help them is bad,
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No, we're not talking about a regular boarding school w/ phone access, regular breaks for hollidays and summers, mail, etc. We're not talking about taking a kid out of what they know. We're talking about totally shutting a kid off from everything and everyone they have ever known.
--- Quote ---but my parents moved while I was away and now it is very hard for me to find a footing, especially coming back so raw (partially my fault because I left without graduating).
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What a major mind fuck! Mine too. It backfired, though. I just went home. And all the better because my mom wasn't there actively sabotaging me anymore.
--- Quote ---I agree that it is hard for children to be removed from their lives... but I also think you need to look at what kind of life you're removing them from. I even think if I had gone back home to Chicago after I had left, I would be smoking pot if not more by now.
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Which would make you just like around half of your contemporaries. So what?
--- Quote ---So I don't know... it's debatable... and it all depends on the individual and their situation.
I gained a lot from the therapy at MMS, and I haven't been able to find a therapist as helpful as some of the ones we had there (I specifically had Jim Rogers, but Gary and John helped me too ... I had a couple groups with John because I wasn't doing well).
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What type of therapy do they use at MMS? Are you talking about sleeping out in the snow? Or about forcing little girls to talk about sex in a room full of people? Or something else? I've always wondered what in the world a real therapist would do in an institution like that.
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I think what helped me a lot was that I was pretty forthcoming. I have never liked to keep things back, so it was not hard for me. I know that when you have been sexually abused, you need to talk about it, all the details no matter how disgusting. And it is not a shameful thing, or it should not be, and if the person felt shamed, either it came from inner beliefs or the environment (the group, or the therapist which I doubt).
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That is absolutely false! Reliving a traumatic experience again and again is not necessarily therapeutic. Certainly not under the hostile kind of circumstances you ladies have described. It's normal and healthy to feel shameful about sexual activity. That's why rape is such a mundfuck. That's why it breaks people. And thats why the Program always, in every instance, induces shame and humiliation, especially on the newcommers. Just look around, don't mind the walking wounded, and you'll see what I'm talking about.
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And secrets are rarely good. There is shame or, worse, manipulation/control involved with secrecy, and that is a lot of what fucked up my family and myself. I can understand if they made them talk about random secrets that were not relevant, but I never saw that when I was there.
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No, sometimes secrets are not good. But what's the therapeutic value of having to tell a room full of other allegedly troubled girls all of your most personally business?
--- Quote ---I understand your points, and I may sound like I am championing the school (I am in part because they helped me) but I am just looking at the other side of what you were talking about. I do that, sometimes too much... I look at the other side of what I'm talking about even and can never form an opinion because I do that too much.
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Some decisions are worth a taking a little time to mull over.
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And sorry if I sound argumentative, I don't know if I do... I just lapse into that sometimes because I like to argue too much."
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No, you don't sound argumentative or combative. It's ok to debate. It's not a dysfuction or a sign of lack of backbone and fortitude, as they say. I bet you're not half as flawed as you seem to think.
Creationists make it sound like a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night.
--Isaac Asimov, Russian-born American author
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