Shutting Down Tranquility Bay - URGENT!

[Jeff_Berryman]

One of my associates is in contact with government officials who are ready to close down Tranquility Bay. We need to keep them interested and keep the evidence coming. Everyone with first hand knowledge of TB
who is willing to make a sworn statement please E-mail me at [email protected]. I will forward your E-mail to my associate and she will get back to you with the particulars.  

When I mount my horse, ALL THE WINDMILLS IN SPAIN TREMBLE!

[Anonymous]

10/31/02 - Mr. Berryman - Aren't you the same Jeff Berryman who is on a mission to post as many different people, working with Sue Scheff? I see it as you posting on BB's  to plant seeds of doubt in parents?  How many families in crisis did you get from this posting??

[Anonymous]

there is doubt!! he needs names of people at tb, you pro wwasp people dont bother, anyone else please respond even if it is just a name, their trying to find out who is there, this is needed asap

[Anonymous]

friends, concerned family, whoever saw someone there, please help with this

[Anonymous]

This is confusing, there was a letter from the ISAC parents committee posted today about this.
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[Anonymous]

How URGENT is this?  It was posted back in October of last year??

[Anonymous]

It is very urgent...Jeff is being sued by WWASP and he needs to do everything he can to prove that all of his accusations against WWASP have been true.  His needs to save himself.  The more people he can get to accuse WWASP of abuse, the better chance he will have of not being found guilty.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

[Anonymous]

it is very urgent! if you dont want to tell jeff the e-mail isac

[Anonymous]

Is Jeff associated with ISAC?  Is ISAC associated with PURE, Inc?  Has ISAC ever been associated with either Sue or Jeff?  Is ISAC being used as another way for PURE and Berryman to try and claim abuse in order to save themselves?

Are PURE and Berryman trying to plant a seed in the minds of all former parents who have been dissastified with the WWASP school their child attended?  Are they trying to get disgruntled former clients to claim abuse?

There is a good possibility that this is what is happening.  This would help PURE and Berryman with the suit that WWASP has against them AND at the same time those individuals who may have been unhappy or disgruntled about the program it would give them the opportunity to seek some sort of revenge, justified or not.  

I imagine there are a lot of parents who were unhappy about how much they paid to send their child to one of these schools.  I imagine in hindsight they realize that they spent a lot of money and got very little in return.  Maybe the only way for the parents to obtain any kind of compensation for their mistake would be to make a false claim of abuse.  Maybe they see no other way to go after WWASP without it looking like they themselves did something very stupid.

[Anonymous]

NO I DOUBT THERE IS ANY CONNECTION, THERE WAS REQUEST SENT FOR A LIST OF CHILDREN AT TB, ALOT OF PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET THE INFORMATION, THERE IS NO SEED TO BE PLANTED! THIS IS REAL, IF YOU WOULD OPEN YOUR EYES! GET OFF THIS FORUM AND SEARCH NAMES OF PEOPLE INVOLVED WITH THESE SCHOOLS YOU WOULD SEE!! AND YOUR SAVING YOUR FAMILY!!! I WOULD HATE TO SEE HOW YOU TREAT YOUR DOG!!

[Carey]

Yes there is a conection.  The same group of individuals who support Sue are working with ISAC to bring down WWASP.  

I myself know this for a fact.  Yes ISAC did remove Sue's link from their website, but they are still coresponding with Jeff and Sue only now through the means of the others who continue to support them.  This is exactly how the PURE listserv worked.  

Why can't everyone just be honest?

I see so much dishonesty on both sides of this crusade to "help" children, that I don't know who to believe anymore.

I know Dundee was doing a lot of things they should not have been doing.  I know that Dundee was flying under the radar of the regulatory agencies in Costa Rica.  I know that my children's rights, as well as my own rights were abused by Dundee.  I know that my children were subjected to things that they never should have been subjected too.  

And there is one more thing I know...when I read anything that is associated with or linked to  PURE/Sue/Jeff or any others of those who continue to support the two of them, then I see that there leaves open a lot of room for doubt

[anon]

[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-17 15:34 ]

[Antigen]

On 2003-08-10 07:12:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Is Jeff associated with ISAC?  Is ISAC associated with PURE, Inc?  Has ISAC ever been associated with either Sue or Jeff?  Is ISAC being used as another way for PURE and Berryman to try and claim abuse in order to save themselves?

Sometimes, you've got to be cruel to be kind. I think this is one of those times, so let me lay it out for you as plainly as I may. I know who ISAC is. I've known some of those people for over 20 years.

I know to a dead certainty that these folks are running on their own impetus in response to things that happened to them all those years ago and the horrifying realization that the same thing is happening to kids now. And it's not just altruism; it's prescience. We (I myself, ISAC members and affiliates and a lot of others who go about handling things in different ways) do NOT want to spend our golden years watching our grand children raised in a world people by psychotics and neurotics like ourselves or where the sadistic bastards who run these programs get a free pass.

Certainly, the more former WWASP clients come forward the better the chances for a favorable outcome for Jeff and Sue. That doesn't mean their case is without merit. There are obvious, plausible and even probable alternative reasons for wanting to contact corroborating witnesses when you're being sued. Ferinstance, the more the merrier for your side because, given the chance, damned near everyone who's not paid to say otherwise will support your arguments.

When it comes right down to it, Jeff and Sue (regardless of what you or I may think of PURE) are trying to get people to come forward and tell what they know. On the other hand, WWASP is spreading around some serious cheese in the form of legal fees, internet hosting expenses, travel, etc. in an ongoing effort to prevent people who know the what happens behind those walls of silence from coming forward with it.

What could possibly be their motivation for that? Can you even come up with a lame excuse for all the letters of demand and other types of threats these lunatics routinely throw around? I've paid too much for things before. Buyer's remorse is not an uncommon concept. But people don't generally go around suing everyone who gets the best of them in a business deal. Why so many and such consistent complaints about WWASP if there's not something to it?

It has ever been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues

--Abraham Lincoln

[Carey]

I don't doubt that ISAC's intentions are truely pure.  I mean that sincerely!.  Not for a moment!  Nor do I doubt that places like Dundee are abusive!  But I will not support nor will I hitch my wagon to others who are also abusive.  

I also doubt and always will anything and everything that PURE and Berryman do.  They are not out there fighting for children.  They are fighting for themselves.  They have used my family in their battle only to cause more damage than had already been done by Dundee.

[Anonymous]

What i think Pure and Sue Scheif is doing is wrong. They use deceptive marketing pracices as well. What makes PURE any different from WWASP? Nonthing, except that WWASP is so hudge and needs stopped at any cost! I am willing to let Sue Scheif and Mr. Berryman, hell i am willing to help them bring down WWASP! One word to the wise if PURE does not have some major changes like looseing the escorts and more upfront about them and the names of the programs and thats for starters they will be dealt with like WWASP and i will work to close them down! that is after they closed down WWASP...As of now PURE is the lesser of 2 evils. When WWASP is gone the PURE will be the next potential evil empire. Lets close WWASP first then lets close PURE!!!