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Shutting Down Tranquility Bay - URGENT!

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Carey:
Yes there is a conection.  The same group of individuals who support Sue are working with ISAC to bring down WWASP.  

I myself know this for a fact.  Yes ISAC did remove Sue's link from their website, but they are still coresponding with Jeff and Sue only now through the means of the others who continue to support them.  This is exactly how the PURE listserv worked.  

Why can't everyone just be honest?

I see so much dishonesty on both sides of this crusade to "help" children, that I don't know who to believe anymore.

I know Dundee was doing a lot of things they should not have been doing.  I know that Dundee was flying under the radar of the regulatory agencies in Costa Rica.  I know that my children's rights, as well as my own rights were abused by Dundee.  I know that my children were subjected to things that they never should have been subjected too.  

And there is one more thing I know...when I read anything that is associated with or linked to  PURE/Sue/Jeff or any others of those who continue to support the two of them, then I see that there leaves open a lot of room for doubt

anon:
[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-17 15:34 ]

Antigen:

--- Quote ---On 2003-08-10 07:12:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Is Jeff associated with ISAC?  Is ISAC associated with PURE, Inc?  Has ISAC ever been associated with either Sue or Jeff?  Is ISAC being used as another way for PURE and Berryman to try and claim abuse in order to save themselves?

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Sometimes, you've got to be cruel to be kind. I think this is one of those times, so let me lay it out for you as plainly as I may. I know who ISAC is. I've known some of those people for over 20 years.

I know to a dead certainty that these folks are running on their own impetus in response to things that happened to them all those years ago and the horrifying realization that the same thing is happening to kids now. And it's not just altruism; it's prescience. We (I myself, ISAC members and affiliates and a lot of others who go about handling things in different ways) do NOT want to spend our golden years watching our grand children raised in a world people by psychotics and neurotics like ourselves or where the sadistic bastards who run these programs get a free pass.

Certainly, the more former WWASP clients come forward the better the chances for a favorable outcome for Jeff and Sue. That doesn't mean their case is without merit. There are obvious, plausible and even probable alternative reasons for wanting to contact corroborating witnesses when you're being sued. Ferinstance, the more the merrier for your side because, given the chance, damned near everyone who's not paid to say otherwise will support your arguments.

When it comes right down to it, Jeff and Sue (regardless of what you or I may think of PURE) are trying to get people to come forward and tell what they know. On the other hand, WWASP is spreading around some serious cheese in the form of legal fees, internet hosting expenses, travel, etc. in an ongoing effort to prevent people who know the what happens behind those walls of silence from coming forward with it.

What could possibly be their motivation for that? Can you even come up with a lame excuse for all the letters of demand and other types of threats these lunatics routinely throw around? I've paid too much for things before. Buyer's remorse is not an uncommon concept. But people don't generally go around suing everyone who gets the best of them in a business deal. Why so many and such consistent complaints about WWASP if there's not something to it?



It has ever been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues

--Abraham Lincoln
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Carey:
I don't doubt that ISAC's intentions are truely pure.  I mean that sincerely!.  Not for a moment!  Nor do I doubt that places like Dundee are abusive!  But I will not support nor will I hitch my wagon to others who are also abusive.  

I also doubt and always will anything and everything that PURE and Berryman do.  They are not out there fighting for children.  They are fighting for themselves.  They have used my family in their battle only to cause more damage than had already been done by Dundee.

Anonymous:
What i think Pure and Sue Scheif is doing is wrong. They use deceptive marketing pracices as well. What makes PURE any different from WWASP? Nonthing, except that WWASP is so hudge and needs stopped at any cost! I am willing to let Sue Scheif and Mr. Berryman, hell i am willing to help them bring down WWASP! One word to the wise if PURE does not have some major changes like looseing the escorts and more upfront about them and the names of the programs and thats for starters they will be dealt with like WWASP and i will work to close them down! that is after they closed down WWASP...As of now PURE is the lesser of 2 evils. When WWASP is gone the PURE will be the next potential evil empire. Lets close WWASP first then lets close PURE!!!

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