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Anonymous:
Dear Ginger,
No no! Thank God he never became my step dad. My Mom and I made a bold move to move away after a while and he moved on and away. We later come to find out that he was actually Gay! (not that being gay is bad by any means, just that he lied to us and my Mom and that pissed us off) Thats why he never called my mom beautiful or complimented her and treated us like houseworkers! :roll:

Its funny. My mom and I were talking about how in the past we would attribute our good relationship to the program. Eventually after I came home, we fought just as hard and just as often and as before the program, I had to eventually move away. We finally started being friends when I decided my Mom is an incredible person and started to realize how very much alike we are. (in good ways and bad) Once I started realizing this and apologized from my heart, not just because I had to, we became closer than ever. We still fight but not nearly as much as before. I guess you are all right about that. Soemtimes it just takes a little growing up before you realize your parents arent the evil embarrasing people you thought they were as teenagers. (unless, like in your case, they are.) And I came to these realizations after I relapsed and quit going to AA. I dont know if that means anything, but perhaps it does. And now that I think about it, I am WAY different then I was in the program. Different from how I was before too, yes. But I didnt think listening to "non working" music was ok in the program. Now I listen to stuff I woudlnt dare listening to in CCM. I remember getting into fights with my friend Ashley (not Perri, another Ashley from Colo.) about how she felt the program was wrong for thinking music could make a person relapse. I agree, it does impact your feelings to a cerytain extent. That is hopefully what the artist is trying to convey. But it certainly wont make you do anything. Isnt that what the program says? No one can make you do anything? You choose to do it? Then wouldnt relapse be considered a choice and not something music, cloths, friends make you do? I remember PC1. Did you all have to go to that seminar? Its a seminar where you are working through your issues wiht your parents AND peers. It was horrible and since my parents were divorced, I went through it twice. After you have this extememly emotional talk with your parents, you have a exercise with your peers about making a home contract. You went into groups and talked about the various things you would put on a home contract and made it up to present to the adults. They basically set you up to fail, because all the kids put stuff on there that the program thougt was innapropriate. If you didnt make your home contract to fit how they thought it should be, you got yelled at. I remember the second time I did it, I knew what they were up to, so I warned my group not to put certain things on the contract. They didnt listen and of course, got yelled at. Then after you were reemed by David Gilcrese for an hour, the parents went away and the kids stayed to give feedback to each other about how you were "showing up" in the seminar. All these fucking people from other programs who didnt even know me gave me feedback! It was ridiculous. If they didnt talk to me, they said I was being a ghost and was giving up my power to the group. Ha! Its funny in a not so funny kind of way. I still have my seminar folder and the home contract guidelines if you want me to post it on the website to give you soem idea of how they set oyu up to come home. It is so strict. No one I know even followed it for a week, let alone 6 months like they tell you to.
I remember in PC1 how David Gilcrese came up to me and said "I hear about how "good" your doing, but I think you arent even close to being the strong person everyone says you are. I think you have alot of male acceptance issues oyu need to deal with now." First off, I had no male acceptance issues. I simply did not have an opinion one way or the other about males. If anything, based on my life wiht my distant dad and my overbearign step dad who dies when I was 13 and my neo nazi asshole "male" friends from HS, I generally didnt respect guys and had no problem not havign any in my life. Dont think that makes me have male acceptance issues. He is such an ass.
 Amanda

Anonymous:
Hey ginger,
I know this is off topic, but how do you register? I tried and the Ip adress and all that confused me. Can you help?
Amanda

Antigen:
Wow, Amanda, you're so clear headed. I wish I had as much on the ball at your age as you do now.

I don't think it's insignificant that you started sorting things out when you quit going to indoctrination sessions. Also very glad you didn't buy into the self fulfiling prophesy and "hit rock bottom" as a result!

I remember a time when my oldest daughter was still in diapers. I was so, so confused. After the Program and a couple of very abusive, overly controling romantic interests, I was just.... perplexed. I questioned everything I ever thought I knew. I even had to leave an open jar of jelly in the cabinet just to see if the "refrigerate after opening" warning was legit.  :smile: (I need to find a shrug icon) It worked out. Some stuff didn't. The jelly, of course, went moldy.



--- Quote --- I remember getting into fights with my friend Ashley (not Perri, another Ashley from Colo.) about how she felt the program was wrong for thinking music could make a person relapse. I agree, it does impact your feelings to a cerytain extent. That is hopefully what the artist is trying to convey. But it certainly wont make you do anything. Isnt that what the program says? No one can make you do anything?

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Classic slight of mind. In The Seed and Straight, the term was "druggie music". And I have to hand it to the new wave of programs. They've managed to take the whole script of the original jihad against unauthorized euphorea and edit it to fit any situation. Music can be pretty impactful. If you listen closely and think about what you're hearing, good music makes you think and feel. How you act on those thoughts and feelings is another question entirely. But, under Program rules, you're only supposed to think what they want about what they have told you.

And there's an endless, inavoidable list of things that will make you relapse. It's almost a dead certainty that 100% of Program graduates, splits and pulls will engage in some of these taboo activitis. Especially those that are the more demanding human needs! And you're right, it is a clearly visible cycle to anyone who stays in touch w/ Program vets. Everybody relapses, except for those who make a career of Program involvement. And, when they do, it's attributed to the breaking of one or more of those impossible taboos.

(I remember walking through the mall on a 5th phase permission, sweating over enjoying the muzak...)

We didn't have the seminars. Instead, we had weekly or twice weekly open meetings w/ the parents (depending on the era of incarceration) There are many accounts of open meetings followed by open meeting review in these forums and related links. So I'll spare you the gorey details and suffice it to say that the basic idea was about the same.

We also had rediculous requirements for being a graduate or 7th stepper in good standing. No boy/girl relationships for a year, I think it was? Are you shittin me?! You mean to tell me that you've kept me in a warehouse, within sight, smell and almost arms reach w/ a group of the opposite sex, never let us socialize in any way, let along consumating a burning desire. I'm 18. It's been two years, and you now expect me to not run out and get laid??? ROFL

Yes, unreasonable. And that wasn't anywhere near the most difficult condition to navigate around.

So, of the graduates you know who didn't stick w/ the exit plan, how many do you know who actually got sent back or threatened w/ it? I remember a few staff or graduate startovers at Straight. But, for the most part, I think those were only the kids who's parents dissapeared and those who's parents were so into it that they'd stay involved even if the kid bounced off.

I don't remember the whole aftercare regimen of surveilance and intimidation doing much but to drive people off.




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Antigen:

--- Quote ---On 2005-05-22 19:29:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Hey ginger,

I know this is off topic, but how do you register? I tried and the Ip adress and all that confused me. Can you help?

Amanda"

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IP address? You should be able to just fill out the registration form (click "Register" from the list to the left) It doesn't ask anything about IP addresses. Did you try registering and have trouble? We have made a lot of changes to the program lately. Please let me know. Feel free to aim, email or call if you want.

Or are you asking about how IP addresses help w/ identification? The short answer is, it doesn't make a difference whether you're registered or not. Every hit to every website that has the default server settings gets logged, whether you post or not; whether you post anon or not.

Is that more in line w/ what you're asking?

It may be that our role on this planet is not to worship God, but to create him.
--Arthur C. Clarke, author
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Anonymous:
I remember my therapist (the one who got fired secretly because he wasnt qualified to do the therapy we were doing) did a "process" for me. Basically my parents sent him all my old stuff, (had some awsome T-shirts and CD collection that is now forever gone. Bastards!) T-shirts, pants, posters, odds and ends, pipes, screens, bags, books, CDs, you name it, he had it. He used them to set up a senario of my life at home to teach me how bad it was. They got some upper phase girls to play me and my friends (it was so off from how I was it was funny) and played all the music I love and adore. My friend Jess played a friend of mine and basically yelled at me for an hour about how my firends were usign me and how this "image" was destroying me, ect. After that I vowed never to listen to that music again, engage in that type of stuff again. I remember at the upper phase facility, we could listen to the radio and the only stations there were classic rock (though not the good kind) and a hip hop station. Since I cant stand hip hop for the most part I listened to Classic rock. Since I wasnt "supposed" to listen to that kind of music I was always nervous when Led Zeppelin or the Doors or Jimi or Jethro Tull  came on. i woudl get knots in my stomach over listening to Crosstown traffic! It was silly. I remember I had myself convinced that Dave Matthew was evil and drug music. Dave! I get so mad at myself now, to think that I thought I was doing well, better than others in the program, when really it was just easier to brainwash me I guess. Sigh...

Most of the reason peple in PC1 got in trouble wa because they wanted to date. Apparently that was bad for them. In Aa they say dotn date till you have a plant for a year and have a pet for a year more. That is just totally not reasonable. Kids especially are going to date regardless of a home contract. I think that it isnt that dating is wrong. If you really care for the person and are ok with sex and the possibility of getting pregnant, or if you dont and just are havign sex, if you are intelligent and responsible enough to be careful and protect yourself that really matters.

Personally i think its funny cuz I wonder how many of those righteous program followers and owners have cheated on their wife/husband, lied about having sex, had sex before marriage when they were teens, ect.

No one I know was threatened with it because they were all 18 or very close to 18 when they went home.

Thought Id post some of the home contract stuff here to show you what Im talking about (and they feel home contracts will keep you sober and integrate you back into society well. This is their only tool to uninstitutionalize kids)

AFTER CARE PROGRAM
Each family must have a strong structured program which includes the following:
-24/7 structure
-Daily monitering
-Support activities- Parent support group, tasks staffing, NA/AA type support group
-After care home contract- Point Advancement, Vote for level move up
-Family activites
-Service project

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AFTER CARE PROGRAM HOME CONTRACT
-Level System Basis Framework
-6 levels
-Daily refelctions
-Daily grading
-Daily review
-Daily point total

-House Rules- Addressing Individual Differences
-Curfew
-Household duties
-Household privliges- Tv, computer, telephone
-Peer aproval process
-dating/social
-clothing
-music
-school- homework, sports, activites
- Na/AA meetings
-Parent support group
-tasks staffing
-family activites
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Aftercare Daily Objective
-I will not talk back, be argumentative, or show lack of respect to my parents.
-I will not through my attituede, facial expressions, voice tone, or gestures be oppositional and defiant
-I will not be rude, unkind, or inconsiderate to parents, siblings, or others
-I will not be moody or withdrawn, I will maintain a positive cheerful attitude.
- I will not push limits or pester PArents to do something outside the Level privleges
- I will keep my room clean and household chores completed in a timly mannar
-I will follow program dress and grooming rules
-I will complete my daily homework assignment
- I will be respnosive to all parental direction or request and I will contribute to the family
-I will be totally up front and honest with all my dealings

SCORING:
3- exemplary- completely met daily objectives without a single flaw
2-good- for hte most part met daily objectives
1-improvement needed
0-unsatisfactory
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LEVEL PRIVLEGES
Level 1-
Phone- no answering phone, parent listening, time limit
Music only approved by parents and played in common area
Computer- only with parent watching screen and activity monitered
Activites- no activites wihtout parent or responsible adult supervision
Daily review- Weekly academic progress report
Monthly random drug test

Level 2-
Phone- may answer if parent is in same room, limited time(increase at level 2)
Computer- Only when paretn is in same room and monitered use4, limited email use
Music- approved by parents and played in room no headphones
Activited- No activites w/out parent or responsible adult supervision
Daily review- weekly academic progress report
Monthly random drug tests

Level 3-
Phone- in common area and extended time for calls
Computer- no chat rooms, ect
Music- purchase by teen but subject to parent approval and monitering
Activity- 0ne non parent activity per week approved based on activity, location, and only with approved peer (no dating)
Job w parental approval
Driving- to work w monitering
daily review- weekly academic report
Montly random drug tests

Level 4-
Phone- open w approved peers only
computer- as approved by parents
Activity- 2 non parent activites a week approved on activity, location, and only w approved peer (no dating)
Driving- to work and approved activited only
Review 3 x per week- bi weekly academic report
Random drug screens

Level 5- VOTE UP REQUIRED
activity- up to 3 non parent activites per week approved based on activity, location, and only w approved peer
Dating- wiht parental approval
Driving- to work and approved activites
Review- 3x per week- Bi weekly academic report
Random drug test

Level 6- VOTE UP REQUIRED
Open privleges as approved by parent
Weekly review- bi weekly academic report
Drug test as desired

Must maintain 25 points on each weekly evaluation on level 6 or goes back to level 5 w 1500 points.
Category 4 and 5 rule violations result in returning to level 1 status or return to the program
Any category 3 violation results in return to level 5
Three or more Cat 1 and 2 violations in one week result in a return to level 5

Point advancement
400- move to level 2
800- move to level 3
1200- move to level 4
1500- move to level 5
1800- move to level 6
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Cat 1 rule violation consequences-write self correction and lose 10 points
swearing
rude or crude
impolite
poor manners
late or not on time
minor-talking back to parents
minor-arguning
minor-disrespcet to others

Cat 2 rule violation consequences-write self correction and lose 50 points
dress and groming violation
talking back to parents
beign argumentative
disrespect to parents
disrespect to others
minor-lying,dishoesty, manipulation
Failure to complete household chores
failure to complete daily homework
Failure to complete daily objective report
Major-swearing
Major-crude and rude
major-late or not on time

Cat 3 rule violations-write self correction and lose 1 level (if on level 1 lose 200 points)
insubordination or defiant w parents
lying, dishonesty, manipulation
major disrespect to others
trend-three or more of the same violatoin in one week
failure to complete weekly academic report
minor-violation of house rules or level privleges
minor-curfew violation

Cat 4 rule violations- student returns to program or completes 20 work or study hours at home or room restriction (before resuming and normal schedule or activites) write 500 word essay and commitment letter to addres and fix the problem, returns to level 1 0 points
tobacco use
curfew violation
beign w unapproved friends
beign in unapproves area
being somewhere different form where agreed upon
major-lying dishonesty and manipulation
major-insubordiantion or defiance
stealing or theft
violation of house rules or privleges

Cat 5 rule violation- student returns to program or completes 40 work or study hours at home or room restriction, write 2000 word essay that includes commitment and plan to address and fix the problem, returns to level 1 0 points
drug/alcohol use
refusal to complete consequences
run away
major violation of house rules level privleges or curfew

students may never go below 0 points
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Whew! I sure feel sorry for the underpaid secretary that had to write all that garbage by hand! So basically its like being in the program at home! :roll:
amanda

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