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Offline mom2three

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« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2005, 11:56:00 AM »
I find it ironic that you are so concerned everyone know about the "real" Joyce Harris when there are apparently EIGHT substanstiated incidents of abuse on record for Whitmore. Do you have substantiated reports from the authorities about Joyce in this regard? Or just insinuations and rumor started from a supsect source?

I am also sick to death about the photo issue. It seems to concern you people more that Joyce took some silly romantic dolled up pics of herself for her HUSBAND than it does that these photos were STOLEN from her computer!!  Surely Photos of this nature are a private matter and not for public consumption, I dont know what you and your husband (or wife) do in your private relationship nor do I care. I have read that boudoir photos are quite popular for couples, so if she did do something silly and romantic for him, she is in good company. We are talking romance here, not porn! I should think in this day and age with all the divorce we should be happy for any couple to have a healthy sexual relationship, more power to them! God does allow for that you know, between married couples, at least that is my understanding.

The thing that bothers me about these photos is not that they exist but that they were STOLEN off her computer! That should concern everyone! Whats on your computer??? How the hell did the Sudweeks come to have them also unless they a. participated or b. condoned the action? Do the means justify the ends here? The only thing I can see Joyce guilty of here was not having a proper fire wall, hardly illegal or immoral.  

As for the fire issue, if my child were there, yep I would be plenty upset the fire marshall said a night fire watch had to be maintained for the reasons stated. I would not have my child there until those issues were taken care of. In the event of a fire in an old heritage building, I think it doesnt take a fire expert to see that getting 40 children out safely would not be easy given that there is apparently only one exit off of the upper floor and a poor sprinkler system to boot.

Can you not see how serious that is? I have only 3 kids to get out of my home and I pray I never have to do it because it terrifies me that I would have to leave one behind in the event that I had to get them all out. Multiply that 10 x and I cannot see how that wouldnt concern the people living there.

Maybe think your concerns over again.
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« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2005, 11:58:00 AM »
SUDS----That Bed and Breakfast LICENSE still in effect????
If you can find people stupid enough to spend the night with a FIRE WATCHER on duty instead of a Fire Alarm doing the job----well, open the doors...turn up the hot tub....YOU'RE IN BUSINESS!
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« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2005, 12:00:00 PM »
YEA CHERYL:

Tell those Bed and Breakfast guests that the rat shit in the rice pudding is raisins...and feed them well!!!!!
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« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2005, 12:01:00 PM »
A point not yet made about the fire hazard - the very real possibility of a fire starter.
I gather Whitmore does take kids with behavior problems despite not being a treatment center or offering therapy. . .
Fire starting is a growing problem among "troubled" kids. According to a Producer with M-TV, who called me once about a documentary they were considering (wonder what ever happen with that?) Fire starting was becoming as big a problem as self mutilation.
Personally, I find that hard to believe, and yet,
I know of a situation here in town, where a girl's home operated by MaryHurst, was set a blaze by a troubled girl. Everyone got out OK, but they had a fire plan and were up to code. It could have been very different had that not been the case.
And there are these statements about Cheyral liking candles - everyone burning candles - This, combined with the population they are boarding, and a facility in violation of fire codes - Seems like an issue worth some attention to me.

As far as this picking on Joyce, You are wasting your time and effort. It has long been clear who the liar is; and it aint Joyce. You are just further proving yourself to be an ass.

Who ever is posting that about Joey - Anon posts are fine on Fornits, but if you are an actual witness, I hope you'll stand by your testimony, give it some credibility by putting your name to it, and filed a report with the various authorities, and I wish you'd file one with ISAC.
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« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2005, 12:01:00 PM »
As far as Joyce Harris and her efforts and concerns about the Whitmore, I call it a public service.  What she states is the truth -- like it or not.  It wouldn't matter if there were pictures of her standing on her head naked.  She is not the one being investigated -- plain and simple.  Get a grip, people, the Sudweeks have committed and are still committing crimes and lying through their teeth.  The sad part, they are bringing their own kids down with them.  

It takes dedication, time and effort to right wrongs and bring about change.  There are not enough people who commit themselves to bringing about change.  It's usually an attitude of "leave it for someone else to do."  I say kudos to anyone who feels stongly enough to actually do something.  

GREAT WORK, JOYCE!!
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« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2005, 12:03:00 PM »
fire watch orders occurr all over the nation, talk to military persons, we all stood fire watch.........the municiple code specifically requires fire watch be established given the code conditions aren't met........they have a specific time period to meet the code, less they be shut down.................fire watch is the first level of compliance........easy does it........................

Joey didn't conform to Chery's little GROUP THERAPY--so he was removed from the group by her DEMAND and beaten badly on several occasions...stomped, kicked, punched--hurt badly. Once sent to the "bunk room" to exercise, and beat when he stopped, for 3 straight hours.
Once he DARED to call home, was REALLY beaten badly at the boy's house in a cowardly way as Mark and Cheryl looked on...evil, evil, evil. Cheryl "helped Joey down the basement stairs," and laughed like a witch...and then continued her SICK GROUP LEADERSHIP SESSION. Other incidents, too. But this was some highlights of Joey's stay at Whitmore---but Joey endured, and he was brave in the face of torment and evilness of the Sudweeks' brutality.

HOW ABOUT A STUDENT WATCH..............GET REAL...............
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« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2005, 12:06:00 PM »
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On 2005-04-30 07:22:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Thank you for sharing all you are doing to let Utah officials know about Whitmore.



In the same token, many of us will be sure they know about you and your daughter's alleged abuse against you.  We will be sure they check into DSS or CPS or whatever they call it in Texas since you did have a lawyer that helped you everytime your daughter called it on YOU.  What was that lawyers name? Never mind, I am sure there is a public record of it.



Word has it many of the officials have already classied you a lunatic or a woman that needs attention.  Well does your husband not give you that attention?  What about those Birthday Photo's? Weren't they enough?



Oh, just in case you are wondering, the new KIDS did not come from your Sue obsession, sorry to disappoint you, but there are others that refer highly to the Whitmore.



Go obsess over the Fire Codes now.  I am sure it makes your day.  I came on here since I have heard so much about this, and I am stunned that you have dedicated so much of your time here.  I hope your kid gets the same attention.



Don't worry I won't be back here.  Just needed to vent that there are some of us that know the REAL Joyce Harris.  

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What a vile piece of trash.
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« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2005, 12:10:00 PM »
Hear Cheryl likes to act like a teeny-bopper with the Whitmore kids. Wouldn't it be fun for her to put on the boxing gloves with Rob and go a 'round with him? Just for entertainment? She thought it was funny watching gangland Rob box the heck outta Joey--why not a fun-filled 'round with her to start out the morning?

FIRE WATCH 101, LEST WE FORGET
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« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2005, 12:16:00 PM »
Mom3Three,

Computer theft, lies about a Mother....and now the possiblity of 30+ kids being harmed in a fire trap DO NOT CONCERN this ANON Poster.  This Poster's "job" is to deflect attention away from the real issues at Whitmore Academy---and as usual lying about me is their target.
Stupid huh?

The issues are: Child abuse allegations against the Sudweeks...and as you said: 8 substantiated counts of abuse and neglect! An on-going criminal investigation...and the big question: Will the Sudweeks be charged?

Fire code violations....Serious!
ANOTHER investigation by the Attorney General's office about the "Boarding School" issue...and what is "DR" Bernie Farrow's JOB at the Whitmore?
State says it's a "therapeutic boarding school" and must be licensed and regulated.  Suds say it is not.  I perfer to believe documentation and the State of Utah.

My personal relationships are not an issue.
I took my photos IN PRIVATE.
I do not "dance about in MY UNDERWEAR in front of a bunch of kids like Cheryl Sudweeks and Mark Sudweeks."
I am a certified teacher--and I have never hit, spit on, cursed, or called a student a racial slur--like "Nigger" or "Sand Nigger" like the Sudweeks habitually do.

The Sudweeks have serious issues---I am not the issue.
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« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2005, 12:38:00 PM »
agreed
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« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2005, 01:01:00 PM »
To anon poster-----

You are understanding and listening to the wrong people.  I know- I was caught in their "all there is, is love around here" web too.  Joyce Harris is not the bad person here.  She is speaking up and using her own name- that is why she is being targeted.  People that speak up against the Sudweeks are targets.  The truth is there are many, many of us on this forum who have figured out the deceitful, abusive actions of the Sudweeks.  NO! Joyce is not a lunatic!! BACK off of her.
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« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2005, 01:01:00 PM »
Buzzkill,What you brought up is valid.

The Sudweeks SAY: they have adopted kids at the Whitmore with "Reactive Attachment Disorder."  One of the symptoms of RAD is "fire setting."  My daughter has RAD, but has NEVER shown a fascination/problem with fire. IF one of these kids set a fire in that wooden, 3 story house with only one exit---it could death and destruction for sure.

The reports of drug abuse at Whitmore only adds to the potential problem.

Leaving these kids without adult supervision EVEN more adds to the potential problem--and the Sudweeks DO LEAVE the facility with KIDS SUPEVISING KIDS.

My daughter does report that on shopping trips, Cheryl Sudweeks did make the kids buy candles. I do not know the real purpose behind the purchasing of candles on each "trip to town." But the candle's were burned in all the girl's bedrooms nightly. They boys also purchased candles.

The State of Utah's requirement to LICENSE and REGULATE Boarding Schools is not an attempt to "annoy owners."  It is for the protection of minor children--and it deserves the support of OWNERS, Children, and most certainly the PARENTS of these children.  Why be against anything that is in the best interest of children, I ask?
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« Reply #27 on: April 30, 2005, 01:30:00 PM »
Buzzkill,

I can not verify all in the ANON posting about Joey; but I can say that the incidents about the "bunk room," the beating of Joey at the boy's house, and Joey being thrown down the stairs has been reported to Detective Kimball by more than one student.

Why do people post anon? I can well-understand that! Then they don't have to waste time defending themselves...  or being called horrible names: Like "child abuser, whore, child molester, Liar, lunatic, etc etc".....have their computer "hacked,".... received threatening phone calls from the McQuiveys...get threreatening emails from the Whitmore...get "shut up or you will be sued ATTORNEY letters from people like Sue Scheff of P.U.R.E....YOU KNOW THOSE SORTS OF PROBLEMS if you use your own REAL NAME, or a posting name that can be traced throught IP ADDRESSES and that sort of thing.
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« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2005, 02:11:00 PM »
Anon, do me a favor. Let me know when Joyce Harris hangs out a shingle promoting her home as a TBS and taking in other people's kids from around the country for big $$$. On that day, she'll open herself up to the level of scrutiny due to people who make big promises about saving troubled children and families through unconventional and vaguely described "treatment" methods.

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« Reply #29 on: April 30, 2005, 02:46:00 PM »
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On 2005-04-30 10:30:00, Joyce Harris wrote:

"Buzzkill,



I can not verify all in the ANON posting about Joey; but I can say that the incidents about the "bunk room," the beating of Joey at the boy's house, and Joey being thrown down the stairs has been reported to Detective Kimball by more than one student.



Why do people post anon? I can well-understand that! Then they don't have to waste time defending themselves...  or being called horrible names: Like "child abuser, whore, child molester, Liar, lunatic, etc etc".....have their computer "hacked,".... received threatening phone calls from the McQuiveys...get threreatening emails from the Whitmore...get "shut up or you will be sued ATTORNEY letters from people like Sue Scheff of P.U.R.E....YOU KNOW THOSE SORTS OF PROBLEMS if you use your own REAL NAME, or a posting name that can be traced throught IP ADDRESSES and that sort of thing."

Just a note on computers...

I am a Network Engineer and would like to offer you some advice on dealing with "cyber" crime.

Yes, it is ALL traceable.  

However, it is imperative that you act quickly in reporting to the police, as IP's are only traceable as long as the ISP's logs are intact for the date of the offense, usually 60-180 days, MAXIMUM.  So timeliness is key to effective prosecution.

Good luck with your case.
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