Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS)
Let Spring Creek Lodge locals know the truth.
Anonymous:
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On 2006-03-17 10:08:00, Eudora wrote:
"Thanks, local. I, for one, really apreciate your taking the time to comment. Please understand that a lot of the bickering happens between pro and con program people. I don't censor or ban anyone for any reason except for spamming, flooding or hacking (and those can be suprisingly ambiguous terms, b'lieve it!)
So you've bravely stepped into an extremely contentious situation. Please don't take it personally if people are a little raw, suspicious or sometimes downright paranoid.
The other anon is quite correct, though. People have gone to the courts, sued, pursued criminal action, gone to the press... just about anything you can think of.
But you're also right that, eventually, it'll do the trick.
Personally, I think the inception and growth of the industry directly reflects the political and social shift toward authoritarianism in this country over the last 30 years. Note I didn't say left or right; both color teams are up to their eyebrows in it, even though the Dems tend to use kinder, gentler words to describe what they do.
I think we'll see this particular brand of sadistic lunacy phased out as we return to our senses in general. Ok, IF we're able to regain our senses and autonomy again. But here's hopeing!
Thanks for that vote of 'confidence'. I hope my point got across and people read it. I just wanted to say keep up the fight. I know these places will get shut down but it wont be done by bickering but by spreading the word. More bee's with honey!
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Anonymous:
"The other anon is quite correct, though. People have gone to the courts, sued, pursued criminal action, gone to the press... just about anything you can think of. "
So people have taken all these actions, and gotten no results? Doesn't that indicate that even after the kind of scrutiny that comes with lawsuits and criminal prosecution, there's not really much of a case?
These programs look terrible when you read all the entries at sites like this, but when you actually get specific and address the allegations one by one, and require non-anonymous witnesses, you see that the programs in general just aren't what many of you claim.
The same odd impulse that causes people to lump all the programs together is the one that ultimately weakens your entire argument. They aren't all alike, they vary enormously in their approach and their level of quality, and many are in fact doing a great job.
Any campaign that relies on sentimentality and dramatic antics for its effect can't be sustained because real life requires hard facts and evidence.
In contrast, the few cases out there that showed evidence of real problems demonstrate that the system actually works fine. Bad programs should be closed, or forced to improve; that's already happening.
Troll Control:
--- Quote ---Any campaign that relies on sentimentality and dramatic antics for its effect can't be sustained because real life requires hard facts and evidence.
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I agree.
Can you please show the hard evidence in the form of a clinical study that shows that the programs you support do any good whatsoever?
Thanks.
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2006-03-21 13:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
So people have taken all these actions, and gotten no results?
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No results? ROFL :rofl:
Program after program shut down
Directors and employees beating the pavement
Corporate reorganizations and name changes as a way or life
Legal bills that must rival the public debt of many mid sized cities
Granted, it's a uphill battle. We're working against a mighty strong desire for a silver bullet solution to the myth of out of control kids. It doesn't help, either that the people currently squatting in the White House and several governors' mansions around the country are up to their eyebrows in the child abuse business.
But we are making some progress.
Here's the thing, though. If these kids really were half, even one tenth as dangerous and deranged as you fuckers like to say, you'd all have died violent deaths already. So are you sure you want to complain about the lawsuits and criminal investigations? I can think of worse things than finding yourself bunking w/ Charles Long III. Not many, but some.
O senseless man, who cannot possibly make a worm and yet will make Gods by the dozen!
--Michel Eyqyem de Montaigne, French essayist
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Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2006-03-21 14:42:00, Eudora wrote:
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On 2006-03-21 13:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
So people have taken all these actions, and gotten no results?
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No results? ROFL :rofl:
Program after program shut down
Directors and employees beating the pavement
Corporate reorganizations and name changes as a way or life
Legal bills that must rival the public debt of many mid sized cities
Granted, it's a uphill battle. We're working against a mighty strong desire for a silver bullet solution to the myth of out of control kids. It doesn't help, either that the people currently squatting in the White House and several governors' mansions around the country are up to their eyebrows in the child abuse business.
But we are making some progress.
Here's the thing, though. If these kids really were half, even one tenth as dangerous and deranged as you fuckers like to say, you'd all have died violent deaths already. So are you sure you want to complain about the lawsuits and criminal investigations? I can think of worse things than finding yourself bunking w/ Charles Long III. Not many, but some.
O senseless man, who cannot possibly make a worm and yet will make Gods by the dozen!
--Michel Eyqyem de Montaigne, French essayist
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Nah, you can't have it both ways. Either the results aren't there--in which case there isn't that big a problem, and this stuff is mainly sensationalism--or the results are there--in which case the system is working. This is a logical conclusion based on your point about all the things people have tried.
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