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[Antigen]

We do not have a failed drug war!  We have a successful public health policy.  I have it straight from Mary Ann Solberg, Deputy Czar.   Not only that, in 1979 102% of HS seniors had used an illegal drug.  Today it's 51%, according to printed info passed out at the czar's 'drug testing summit,' and our successful, public health policy has reduced use by 50% since 1979.
 
I will write a report on the summit when I recover.  It was truly scary.
Suzy
 
"The political phrase 'tough on crime' should not be a substitute for thoughtful reflection or lead us into moral blindness."
Supreme Court Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, June 23, 2004.
 
"Who would believe that a democratic government would pursue for eight decades a failed policy that produced tens of millions of victims and trillions of dollars of illicit profits for drug dealers, cost taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars, increased crime and destroyed inner cities, fostered widespread corruption and violations of human rights - and all with no success in achieving the stated and unattainable objective of a drug free America?"
Milton Friedman,  winner of 1976 Nobel Memorial Prize for economic science
 
"You can get over an addiction but you can never get over a conviction."
Jack Cole, Retired undercover police officer
http://www.dpft.org

Don't laugh when you leave this courtroom, thinking you have beat the system because you have looked these things up yourself. We are going to get you down the road.
http://proliberty.com/observer/20020101.htm' target='_new'>Washington Superior CourtJudge Rebecca Baker

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On 2005-04-19 16:12:00, Antigen wrote:

"We do not have a failed drug war!  We have a successful public health policy."

? so, putting people in prison for victimless crimes, that has been necessary to... quarantine them? so the rest of us don't catch their deadly disease? am i missing something, or is it all becoming truly clear...

yes, i see, the eradication of coca fields with toxic chemicals and the subsequent destruction of rainforest is necessary because... uh, how can you be worried about having enough oxygen on the planet, or an ocean that can continue to generate life, when people are snorting cocaine.

a side note: i was in a college classroom a year ago with about 50 other students, most of whom were 18 - 22. this is a liberal campus, known, in fact, for a certain interest in green plants... the professor asked: "how many of you have ever smoked marijuana?" now, this is a professor who curses in class, is rumored to be an anarchist, etc., in other words it would be very very hard to suspect him of being a narc. and, besides, his question was so harmless. why was it, then, that only two of us raised our hands? PARANOIA, that's why. are the rest of them smoking way too much weed? or, can we not even TALK about it because of the climate of fear? that is really scary because it is characteristic of a totalitarian regime.

[Dr Fucktard]

These druggies need a stint in SIBS, not prison. (They'll just use more drugs in prison.)

[Antigen]

On 2005-04-20 07:08:00, fka wrote:

PARANOIA, that's why. are the rest of them smoking way too much weed? or, can we not even TALK about it because of the climate of fear? that is really scary because it is characteristic of a totalitarian regime.

Yeah, no shit! That's what gives the drug warriors their kick and their fix. Same as the WWASPies waving around those hundreds and thousands of letters of endorsement written by parents at the direction of a seminar facilitator who will not allow them to speak w/ their own children unless they write ze letterz.

But they believe it. And the drug warriors believe that they're in the vast majority because the majority is too scared to tell them otherwise.

Nothing is denied to well-directed labor, and nothing is ever to be
attained without it.
--Joshua Reynolds (1723-1792)

[RTP2003]

PARANOIA, that's why. are the rest of them smoking way too much weed? or, can we not even TALK about it because of the climate of fear? that is really scary because it is characteristic of a totalitarian regime. "

That's why you should smoke weed in public.  It's a form of civil disobedience.  I do.  What are they gonna do, sed me to jail?  I've been to worse places (and so have you)....

[Anonymous]

other fun things to do

*make an anonymous tip (from a pay phone) to the local hot line that someone is growing marijuana.  give them the address of the sheriff, local antidrug groups, or no-good busybody ministers

*take pot seeds and throw them near chain link fences around construction sites

[Deborah]

Yeah, I went to a Pat Benetar concert outdoors with my kids. I was telling them how much things had changed since I was their age. Pot was at every public venue I attended, indoors and out. For the most part the police left folks alone. Only arrested those who were flaunting it or in some way disturbing the peace or being violent.

I have to say, it was very different. There was a part of me that kept feeling something wasn't right... and then it dawned on me... no cannibas smoke. Same when my son took me to ZZ Top for Mother's Day- indoors. There were a few folks brave enough to fire up, but NOTHING like back in the day.

[tommyfromhyde1]

On 2005-04-21 19:20:00, Deborah wrote:

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Same when my son took me to ZZ Top for Mother's Day- indoors. There were a few folks brave enough to fire up, but NOTHING like back in the day."

Did you know that those few brave folks could have
made the venue, the producer, the band, and quite
possibly the roadies, liable for a 20 year federal
sentance under the RAVE Act? This bad law passed
last year as a rider to the Amber Alert bill.
It failed the year before as a stand alone bill.
And the sponsor was a DEMOCRAT! (Joe Biden D Del.).

Boundary, n.  In political geography, an imaginary line between two nations, separating the imaginary rights of one from the imaginary rights of another.
-- Ambrose Bierce,  The Devil's Dictionary

[Antigen]

On 2005-04-20 19:11:00, RTP2003 wrote:


That's why you should smoke weed in public.  It's a form of civil disobedience.  I do.  What are they gonna do, sed me to jail?  I've been to worse places (and so have you)....
"

One of the most insideous tactics, in my opinion, is how they hold our children hostage. I'd be right there with ya except that, if I got caught, they'd truck my kids off to an indoctrination camp to await an "approved" foster home. I take enough chances just by being vocal on the topic of drug policy. I can't count the times various stripe of fundies and abstinance freaks have threatened to turn me in to CPS. For all I know, they have already and CPS just hasn't gotten down to my place in the stack.

Creationists make it sound like a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night.
--Isaac Asimov, Russian-born American author

[tommyfromhyde1]

On 2005-04-22 13:04:00, Antigen wrote:

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On 2005-04-20 19:11:00, RTP2003 wrote:



That's why you should smoke weed in public.  It's a form of civil disobedience.  I do.  What are they gonna do, sed me to jail?  I've been to worse places (and so have you)....

"

One of the most insideous tactics, in my opinion, is how they hold our children hostage. I'd be right there with ya except that, if I got caught, they'd truck my kids off to an indoctrination camp to await an "approved" foster home. I take enough chances just by being vocal on the topic of drug policy. I can't count the times various stripe of fundies and abstinance freaks have threatened to turn me in to CPS. For all I know, they have already and CPS just hasn't gotten down to my place in the stack.

Creationists make it sound like a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night.
--Isaac Asimov, Russian-born American author

"

This reminds me of something I've been thinking
about. The legalization movement hasn't gotten
much traction except around the edges yet, probably
because of the child removal paranoia and drug
testing. But "fast forward" (to butcher a PDFA spot) 20 years from now. Most of us '70s kids
will be retired (no drug testing) and our kids
will be grown (no child removal threat). That
could be what the movement needs to get some
real outspoken support. and retired people vote
in greater numbers than ANY other group. So think
long term.

Cops; you wake `em up you gotta dance with `em. They lead.
-- Jack McNulty

[Antigen]

Tommy, they may be crazy but they ain't dumb. Just look at how they're intimidating this generation of kids. Not long ago, there was a story about some idiotic teachers and cops actually hand cuffing and arresting a 6yo little girl for handing her friend a little baggie full of clover. You think this generation will come up free of anxiety? Please! We have to challenge it or it will be accepted.

Here's an amusing example of how that works. Ever wonder what's so bad about dandelions? I mean really! They're pretty. They're nutritious. They have some useful and relatively safe medicinal quality. You can make a delightfully spicy wine from the flowers. So why all the hate? There's actually a reason, but few who spent some part of their weekend spraying reformulated Agent Orange on the dandelions in their yard probably ever heard of it.

The reason why dandilions are so universally despised is because they're such a good and hearty food and medicine source. Dandelions are a staple in older European peasant cultures. So, back in the days of the coal wars, you could tell if a man were getting ready to join a strike if his wife started cultivating dandilions in the yard. It became dangerous to allow dandelions in your yard.

Few really recall the reason why these particular useful and attractive plants are so hated. But hated they remain. Even though grocery stores now sell dandelion greens for about a buck a pound, people still don't seem bothered by the contradiction. I wonder how often you could find Roundup and dandelion greens on the same sales receipt.

Same goes for Cannabis. The WWII generation who vote and write letters today probably aren't much impressed w/ the dry fact that MJ is safe, medically useful and just about the most benign recreational drug ever discovered. What they hate is all of the vague associations w/ communism, tye-dye, negro musicians seducing wide eyed white girls. It's all about attitude and culture war.

When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its professors are obliged to call for help of the civil power, 'tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor

_________________
Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
Drug war POW
Seed `71 - `80
Straight, Sarasota
   10/80 - 10/82
Anonymity Anonymous
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[tommyfromhyde1]

That sorta supports my point. The WWII generation
is dying quickly now. The pre-Boomers who were kids
during the war - and who are the biggest parents'
movement types - are now the biggest cohort of
the elderly. And that leaves them as the last
surviving "never tried weed" generation.

Fear believes--courage doubts. Fear falls up the earth and prays--- courage stands erect and thinks. Fear is barbarism---courage is civilization. Fear believes in witchcraft, devils and ghosts. Fear is religion, courage is science.
--Robert G. Ingersoll, American politician and lecturer

[Anonymous]

Round up the non-weed using types and put 'em in special camps.  We'll send 'em to the showers, where, instead of Zyklon_B, we'll pump 'em full of smoke from TBPITW.  Problem solved.



"I support a zro-hour day and freakouts for all"

[Deborah]

Will the reaaallll pushers please stand up...

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They don't care if people alter their attitudes or brain chemistry. They just want them using their products.
If/when MJ becomes legal it will be in pill form created in some laboratory... like Valium. Valerian, the genuine article, worked just fine, why chemically duplicate it $$$$
If they cared about peoples' well being they'd make Big Macs a controlled substance. Heart disease is more dangerous than MJ and all other illegal drugs combine. Oh that's funny. Can you imagine having to see a doc to get coupons (rx) for your monthly ration, which would be based on your weight and heart health. HeHe Can you imagine the black market that would spring out of that!!!

[Antigen]

I think the sole reason why MJ is so important to the drug warriors is because it's so safe and so pleasurable. Think about it. How many people do you know over the age of about 30 who are users and advocates of opiates, cocaine, stimulants or acid. There are probably a few, especially of acid (including naturally occuring stuff like various kinds of mushrooms) But not too many. But, for the most part, users over 30 are trying to kick and telling the younger generation "this shit really is bad! Just stick w/ the kind bud!"

OTOH, there's just about a groundswell of people who are anywhere from ambivalent to entheusiastic about MJ; used for medical, recreational or undisclosed purposes. So damned near 100% of the population is subject to coercive control of themselves or of someone they love because damned near everyone either uses or loves someone who uses MJ. Why do they do it? Cause it's good shit, that's why. And that will never change. So, as long as posession, production and distribution of MJ is illegal, close to 100% of the population are sitting ducks.

The inspiration of the Bible depends on the ignorance of the person who reads it.
--Robert G. Ingersoll, American politician and lecturer

_________________
Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
Drug war POW
Seed `71 - `80
Straight, Sarasota
   10/80 - 10/82
Anonymity Anonymous
return undef() if /coercion/i;