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Anonymous:
Not only was the American School diploma good enough to get him admitted to a 4 year university (his high SAT scores helped as well), it got him an academic scholarship which pays 50%of his tuition.

As Ginger posted, all one need do is call around to some universities.  

The Thayer-haters are an interesting lot.  Not only do they hate Thayer, but they seemingly hate any organization Thyer works with.  Do Thayer-haters also hate the Post Office, after all, Thayer does use the U.S. mail?

Fondest Regards, Nemo

Nemo

hugakid:
I am thoroughly disgusted at what I have read here today. I came on here to learn about Thayer because I heard about the child who died there. Unbelievable how you people talk to one another. You should truly be ashamed of yourselves.

Absolutely unbelievable!! A child died there??!!! Isn't there something wrong with that picture? Many complain of abuse there??!!! And still people choose to praise such a program?

Well, I'm not a person who was at a program. Ever. I've never put a child in a program. I only know of this through kids I care about whose abusive parents sent them to a horribly abusive place.

From what I can see here, people are trying so desperately to get these "pro-Thayer" folks to hear them when they say:

"Kids are abused at Thayer.
Kids are miserable at Thayer.
Kids lose a piece of themselves at Thayer.
A kid died at Thayer."

Somehow, for me, a person who has never been in a program, never looked for a program, who just knows they exist and the damage they can cause, looks at everything written, and given the information, and even the acknowledgment from the "pro-Thayer folks" that they know bad things go on there, that kids are abused there. They do not deny it. As a parent, there is no way in hell that I would ever for one second consider sending my child, if I were looking for a program, to a place with this type of history. EVER!!

You just have no idea, you pro-Thayer folks, at how stupid you sound for continuing to promote it and for hurting others who so desparately want everyone to know about the pain and damage programs can do to people.

You acuse people of taking drugs, still today. How do you know this and how dare you make that kind of statement? Shame on you. You're not as bright as you think you are. Your son did great? You think so now. Things seem great now. Eventually what happened there, because no matter what you think, he saw what happened there and he knows, deep inside of him, that what happened to his friends was out and out wrong. It is black and it is white. It was wrong, no question about it.

Some day he may have a very tough time trying to cope with the reality of what happened to so many others. And he may be haunted by what happened to them. And he may eventually get very angry at you for putting him there. He's in college? Not out long? Well, it takes a while, just wait. They don't tell all until about 5 years later, some sooner. But eventually it comes around full circle. Do the research, I have been, for the sake of kids who I care about. Not even my own!

SPEAKINGOUT:
You are right as far as the academics not being the most important, but it is important overall- and even more so if your kid is 17 and flunking his Jr. year- what happens when he turns 18 and does not have a high school education?  that's not looking good for his employment opportunities, and college, well obviously that would be out of the ??
Again, in our case (and lot's of other kids too) they never got out of bootcamp- did you know that while a kid is in bootcamp they DO NOT GET ANY ACADEMICS AT ALL!!!!  Now, if that were a week, or even a month - but what frequently happens is that the kid is held in bootcamp for well over 100 days(their website estimation of the typical student is much less) or that they move to residency and then get put back into bootcamp.  They are doing good (per your family rep. every week, going to graduate- then something happens, they get moved back- looking good, going to graduate- something happens, gets moved back- this is a typical cycle around there too.  
Anyway- I believe you are the same writer that called Thayer a theraputic program.  They do not have any therapists on staff, and if it is requested it is an additional fee, so it is really NOT a theraputic school.  It is a bootcamp.  A hell hole, and I would not even go as far as calling it a school.  Actually go and see it- I was horrified!  We sent our son there on a recommendation from Parent Help (a company that per our contract was a "third party consulting firm" but happens to be owned by TLC).
We went to the TLC website to see this beautiful building sitting on what appeared to be a green rolling hill and green meadow all around it.  It was simply perfect.  (that was until we realized that they actually took an old picture of the building and put it on a windows backdrop and represented to all the people who went on the sight that it actually looked like that!)  The website has been changed- but I printed it all out and have copies for anyone to see.  We were also highly discouraged to bring our child there and were urged to use a transport service as we were told stories about what could happen if we tried to bring our child and he did not cooperate. Why not let the professionals handle it?  They could help us with that too.  Oh, they forgot to mention that they also own the Transport service, oh, the "third party billing company" 2b Enterprises- they own them too.  Sorry, forgot to tell you all these things when we asked you to sign this huge contract stating that they are basically NOT liable for ANYTHING.
I could go on and on for hours, but- the bottom line is IF they were so reputable why the lies and deception?  Try this out!  Call Parent Help
800-688-8706.  Tell them you have this problem kid, 15 or so, see if they don't refer you to TLC.  Then- see if they tell you that they are affiliated with them.  Also ask them some ?? about their medical procedures, or child saftey record or something- and see if they tell you that a boy died.  They recently deleted question(s) off their FAQ's about "serious injuries" or "deaths", because of course they don't want to have to say YES, so let's just "remove" it.
You check it out for yourself.  Someone we know recently called and tested it out.  They passed the "deception" test real good!
The education is certainly NOT THE MOST important thing- as I said in my last post- IF only 50% of the kids in a program (ANY PROGRAM) were being neglected/abused, or allegations of such were being made as to such- should a parent send their child there.  That's the bottom line ?? that should be answered- and the obvious answer is ABSOLUTELY NOT.
Again, there are good programs out there that are without scandal- (and that IF something should go wrong the authorities have jurisdiction over them)- I believe that parents need to be REALLY careful not to allow desperation to drive them to a decision without a FULL investigation, even if that means by a P.I.
I still like Ginger's suggestion-call around to some major Universities and see what they think.
Or, maybe Nemo will cough up his two or three?!?
NOT, better call around!

tlcrescue:
I agree with you speaking out on the business related entities. We contacted parent help because we were looking for a good "academic" school for us son.  He was not violent, he was not into drugs, he had never been trouble with the law, just had difficulties with education.  We were trying to find a school (and thought a boarding school was a right choice) to help him "academically".  Of course, Parent Help insisted that Thayer was the place for him.  I was hesitatent because of the boot camp side of it, but their pitch on that was " we address ADHD children with proper fitness and diet" and that is how we teach them to cope with ADHD without medication, and that is how we teach them to excel acamedically.

But, on the other hand, they also recommend Thayer to people that have children on drugs, gangs, etc.  What is wrong with that picture?  That isn't about helping the children, that is about making a fast buck!  Plain and simple!

So all of you anons that want to come on here and criticize us parents for "being bad parents", get a grip on life!  I was seeking out an educational facility for my son, and Thayer is what they recommended.

BTW....my son is the one who had his ankle fractured!  So yes, I am a bit biased when it comes to Thayer.

And, everyone is falling into the trap of Nemo...I still BELIEVE he is connected to the Thayer web, whether it be by employment, or otherwise....you know, that spider web that has different organizations all spun into one.

He is attempting to pul everyone into his games...and when that doesn't work, he chooses to lash out yall (us) by calling us names and incompetent.  Wow....that speaks volumes for his parenting skills!  When you can't face reality as it is presented to you, let's just lash out and call names!  Umm...if I recall correctly, isnt that what you do in the third grade?

And, I must point out Nemo..you have YET to respond to any question I have posed to you, your only response to date have been "general slurs" against any parent who speaks out against Thayer.  Are you afraid to answer my questions?

SPEAKINGOUT:
TLC Rescue- My son had the academic problem too.  He wasn't in a gang or anything either, although he was certainly disrespectful and depressed.  I know he was smoking pot, although I tested him for other drugs and he was clean?  He was hanging out with the wrong kids and flunking school- he did tell me about some of the kids there that he was afraid of because they had deeper-serious issues, like they were criminals or were in gangs.  I agree that there is something (lot's of things wrong with TLC!!)
Also- regarding the Nemo thing... He has not answered anyone's ??- and we can bet he never will.  
Did you like his last post where he was talking about hanging out on "different" sights when his wife is at work?  Alot of other childish remarks, lot's framed around the sex theme, so I think the sights are male entertainment ones.  Look at what he said about his son having sex several times a week as a success!  You gotta know he's tweeked.  Don't allow his poison to penetrate you, that what the 'recluse' did to the Reyes boy.

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