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GregFL:
Tough question, but to me, yes, all TC's are abusive in that they are at the least very personally intrusive and treat all people with a blanket approach which harms some people to the benefit of others.
Also, TC is definitely rooted in behavior modification. Abuse is a term you can only define by yourself, unless of course the place practices overtly abusive tactics such as sitting on misbehaviors or poking people in the back when they try to think or let their mind wander.
RTP2003:
Maybe not all of them are actively abusive, but they are at least passively abusive in that they demand the subversion of the individual will to the will of the group or of a "higher power" (which may BE the group in some TCs). This is degrading and dehumanizing, and, I think, worse than the physical abuse that goes on in many TCs.
Stripe:
Yikes. Welcome to the dark vicious circle that was my mind/world in the spring of 1973... seed raps were much more simplistic but still incredibly manipulative.
On the 10 to 10 Program without the beneft of a watch, I think it went like this:
Arrive before 10:00 AM- morning group till 12:00 (2 smokes 11 & 12) lunch at 12:00 and maybe a "lite" rap during lunch, a song or 2, exercises till about 2:00. (butts at 12, 1 and 2) 2:00 - 5:00 pm separate boy/girl raps. (butts at 3,4 and 5). Reconvene in the big room for a boloney sammich, some beef barley soup and some fake koolaid, maybe a trip to the bathroom. (butt at 6) About 6:30 the old comers start arriving and at 7:00 the evening sign/prayer rap till 10:00 PM. (Butts at 7,8,9,and 10).Then its another hour of leaving and travel to the old comer's house for some good food and more talking, moral inventory and maybe a shower. And of course, more butts - but this time not on the hour. Then back up at a reasonable hour (thank god) to get back there before 10:00 AM....and do it all again till you get it right and they let you go home. When you still have to come back 10 to 10.
Looking back on it, I can see that I really didn't learn so much as I gave-in to the pressure and said what I had to say to get out. Boy was I ever thoroughly manipulated.
I'm sorry it's still happening to kids now. No one deserves that kind of treatment. I wish I had the strength the to walk out -or yell over to my parents on the Friday Night Open meeting to PLEASE take me out. Or quit. It never occurred to me to just quit.
It seems likely that most of the poloticos and celebrity-set who push these programs might only see the "perfect" (read programmed) end result. It's that day-in, day-out crushing, mind-numbing manipulation that gets conveniently overlooked in the drive for a drug-free amerikan culture.
Loss of life by suicide and extreme behavioral reactions to the treatment model are, I guess, the costs our society is willing to pay. That is, until it's the child of some influential person, then by God, the program has to change.
BTW, does anybody know what happend to Jeb Bush's "drug addicted" daughter who was making such a splash during his first term? Was she ever put in one of these programs - or is the nitty, gritty synanon/seed/straight treatment model reserved only for the have-nots?
What about W's kids, Jenna & Barbara? That underage drinking and drugging of the first term seems to be okay for those girls but not for the rest of american kids. Looks really similar to the Bush "culture of life " agenda we watched play out just recently...
[ This Message was edited by: Stripe on 2005-04-12 16:00 ]
Stripe:
That's what happens when you edit twice...sorry 'bout that.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-04-12 15:55:00, Stripe wrote:
"It seems likely that most of the poloticos and celebrity-set who push these programs might only see the "perfect" (read programmed) end result. It's that day-in, day-out crushing, mind-numbing manipulation that gets conveniently overlooked in the drive for a drug-free amerikan culture."
--- End quote ---
well said.
>fka
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