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Stripe:
We got one small styrofoam cup of soup with the baloney sammich at dinner. I'm gessing it was was a 4 or 6 oz. cup. What I can't remember is the method of delivery? Did we get to walk to the back of the room to pick it up? Probably not.  Was it passed from person to person down the row?  Surely they did not hand it to us one at a time.  Isn't is strange I can remeber the tastes and smells of the place but I can't remember how it came ot me?

Hey, I know from reading here that the people who made the food and volunteered time and resources had their hearts in the right place and could not have know how their generosity was twisted into something else.  With the right kind of planning just about anything can be used as a weapon.  

Food for thought.... :idea:

Antigen:

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"Maybe not all of them are actively abusive, but they are at least passively abusive in that they demand the subversion of the individual will to the will of the group or of a "higher power" (which may BE the group in some TCs).  This is degrading and dehumanizing, and, I think, worse than the physical abuse that goes on in many TCs."


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Agreed!  I think the focus on overt abuse..for example Miller Newton and his lawsuit settlements, really is counterproductive to the real insidious underlying problem with all these programs,especially when they take involuntarily clients and bend their minds against their will under the guise of "helping" them."

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My heros! Seriously. I've come to the same conclusion. Never did like the idea of litigation, though people I well respect and admire have gone that way. So I've hunkered and watched, occasionally tossing in a blow-by-blow. But now, more than ever, I'm convinced that there's little value in tort law to help this situation. Still not willing to say none, though. I mean, the lawsuits do generate publicity, and that's what I think we need here.

I think this is a big problem in dealing w/ WWASP, too. They can only sue over the really overt, over-the-top physical abuse; the kind that leaves physical, documentable evidence for months or years. But that's not the day-to-day reality in most of their facilities. Instead of sending a kid to the floor or a timeout room for a little roughing up, they send them to Jamaica.

So all they have to do to confuse the audience and refute the critics is draw on a few participants who never had their arm twisted behind their back or their chin smashed on a concrete floor. And, just as it's always been, the beat goes on and these kids get out and can't even understand, far less describe, what happened to them.
 






Faith, as well intentioned as it may be, must be built on facts, not fiction- faith in fiction is a damnable false hope.
--Thomas Edison, American inventor
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::rocker::  many excellent posts here.

GregFL:
Stripe, In St Pete, they would bring the coolers to the end of the row and pass the samwhich down to the end so everyone would touch it, then the kewl-aide in little cups, and if you were lucky, real real lucky, a cookie or two.

NO SECONDS DRUGGIES!

Hope that helps...

Anonymous:
except the food posts! i'm getting queasy, you guys!

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