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GregFL:
Back on topic.....
Ft Lauderdale, what did you guys discuss in boys rap?
I have very specific memories of being terrified in boys rap about the sexual discussion. remember, My memory is from a pre pubescent virgin 14 year old boy perspective...so this stuff was very traumatic for me.
And to anon, don't worry, I am no longer a virgin and don't have lingering sexual issues due to this.
:grin:
Stripe:
Recall though, as a virgin child, what sexual history could one confess to having anyway? Pressure to admit/confess to things that were unture for ACCEPTANCE or ANONYMITY. If you had no sexual history you were branded a liar. I saw one of my friends confess to things I KNEW were not true just so she would be let alone and the "come down" would stop.
From a distance, this sure does sound a lot like that that "druggie acceptance-seeking" behavior we were so skillfully taught to seek and destroy in each other - something that could only be done when you were "really working the program." You know...do the right things and the right things will happen....Confess and you will be accepted or left alone...
No wonder some of the products of this program are so freaking confused. All it managed to do was create a whole generation of people firmly convinced they were addicts. To this day many will accept no personal responsibility for their own choices, claiming instead that they are truly powerless over things. Even when they succeed - it's not because of their own actions, it's because of Art Barker. Now that is something that is really sad. To be so brainwashed that you can't even give yourself credit for living a full and productive life.
GregFL:
Or the inverse.. to blame your problems on your failure to accept the program dogma and also to long for the days you were held captive, estranged and incommunicado, as we have witnessed here on this very website.
Or even still.. to project onto other people failures and embitterment they do not posess because they do not recite the dogma of the program.
Or even another.. to degenerate adult conversations into confrontational attack sessions with little or no provocation other than a contrary opinion or memory of the experience we all shared.
Yes, the program has embittered a unique bit of unsocial physchology in some of us, and It is not such a pretty thing when witnessed with distance from the dogma. Freedom from this one way programmed thinking comes from understanding and studying the unnatural processes and pressures that we were submitted to as children.
Stripe, your observation in my opinion is a brilliant assessment of one result that lingers in some post seed adults. The "saved addict syndrom" as it were, usually attributed to non-addicts that thru enslavement, repetition,thought stopping exercises, and enforcement of group thinking, had convinced him/herself that their very survival and self-worth hinged on that 30 year old unnatural experience and then never challenged the notion internally. Never mind the wealth of experiences that came before and after The Seed, and never mind that addiction almost never existed in seed kids and the vast majority of our friends that escaped the "help" of the seed went on to lead productive and full lives.
Those of us here today successfull and living full lives are doing so because we had the inner strength and will to do so, not because it was magically imparted to a worthless dying child some 30 years ago.
The myth is that we were all dying or on a one way ticket to jail, mental hospital or some other tortured existence. It simply isn't true for the vast majority of the people who attended the seed. It was a myth created by a man with an agenda, a god complex perhaps, who was busy building a financial empire and personal kingdom.... surrounding himself with the "cream of the crop" of the kids hand picked to worship him for the rest of his life.
When the smoke clears, real understanding is waiting.
Stripe:
Here- Here. A toast to the thinking brain.
marshall:
--- Quote ---On 2005-03-31 23:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I enjoyed being in such a secret society where you could speak your mind. :smokin: And listen. Nobody ever abused me I just kept my ass busy with school and work. :smokin: "
--- End quote ---
Speak your mind? Sure, but only if what you said conformed with program dogma. Otherwise, you were subjected to intense peer pressure to change your ideas to bring them into line. Here on this forum we can speak our mind. People here can praise the program or criticize it, agree or disagree. No such freedom of thought existed while I was at the seed.
Many speak of having been "given" tools at the seed. There was no giving...more like a forced-feeding. I remember raps on becoming the person you were always meant to be. I never felt like the person I was meant to be while there. It was more like we were supposed to be the person art / staff and the seed ideology meant for us to be. We simply exchanged one sort of peer-pressure for another, one sort of conformity for another, equally as stifling, imo.
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