Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Who Am I Discovery/Whitmore
Whitmore
Antigen:
Alana, I don't think Tori is exactly trying to be dishonest w/ you. I do believe these kids when they tell us about what often happens after Cheryl calls Group on someone. I can't believe they just make this stuff up because it's just so similar to what used to happen when staff at Straight called Group on someone. And just the same as what kids from Elan to Provo to CEDU describe happening to them
It's not that they're concious of being involved in wrongdoing and all conspiring to cover it up. It's more like they think that us unenlightened outsiders just wouldn't understand. So it's just a little white lie, see? Really, it's all for the greater good, you see?
If God has spoken, why is the world not convinced?
--Percy Bysshe Shelley, English poet
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Gmom:
I guess the easy road is to say, well, I don't think it happened to my child, so the Sudweeks are wonderful people. But, if it happens to one child, it can happen to any child. That's the danger. We are responsible to seek answers, to find the truth, and, in this case, to see that justice is served.
Anonymous:
as far as the controversy over spitting in the food goes you people can believe what you like. but when she got put on the shelf they feed her old hamburger buns with peanut butter and jelly inside and the kid that spit in it told me out of his own two lips that he spit right inside it.
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-03-29 12:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
"as far as the controversy over spitting in the food goes you people can believe what you like. but when she got put on the shelf they feed her old hamburger buns with peanut butter and jelly inside and the kid that spit in it told me out of his own two lips that he spit right inside it."
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See, that's the sort of thing that just confuses the hell out of people who are trying to fight over the absolute good or the absolute bad of the place/people/group... whatever.
I tend to believe what you say and the kid who said he did it because it fits w/ just about everything else I'm learning about the place. Do I think Cheryl or Mark explicitly instructed a kid "Now, go and spit in this kid's food... go ahead, it's therapeutic"? No, not likely. But that they set up an environment where the kids might believe that the kid who's currently on the shit list deserves this kind of treatment? Yeah, that makes some sense.
What's more, I still believe that Whitmore delivers on the one, single promise by which it's sometimes marketed; not as bad as some WWASPS programs. My point in inviting discussion about Whitmore was to find out just what that means. What is this alternative to alternative, how does it work and is it really worth it?
Legalizing drugs would simultaneously reduce the amount of crime and raise the quality of law enforcement. Can you conceive of any other measure that would accomplish so much to promote law and order?
--Economist Milton Friedman
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Anonymous:
Think Whitmore works a whole lot like WWASP. There just is not a whole lot of difference. It is smaller. The abuse is a bit less. The religion had a lot more emphasis. They throw in some travel stuff and horses. The facility sort of looks/sounds good on the surface. But you get right down to it: same concept, for "therapy." Same concept: kids supervising/abusing kids
Same concept: inadequate food...inadequate supervision of the kids...lack of education
Same condept: controlling the parents
SAME DEAL: making big money off desperate parents, and the kids pay the price in a horrific way. Both WWASP and Whitmore: abuse, neglect of the kids.
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