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Who knows Dean Vause - lets have some facts here too
Hamiltonf:
Well that's kind of the same as saying "I'm not sure what I think about using heroin until I've tried it", isn't it? I think the problem is that one would almost have to have a graduate degree in epistemology to sort out the myths and propaganda from valid facts, logic and rationality when dealing with what you get through the established media.
I recently visited an habitual criminal who believes that marijuana should be available for medical purposes. However, he didn't agree with legalization either. In fact, he thought prohibition was a good thing and, as a consequence of what he'd been told at Adaac, he felt that alcohol should once more be prohibited because of all the harm it does. When I pointed out that the vast majority of people who might drink recreationally do not become alcoholics, and that rates are no higher in countries like France and Italy, hr found it hard to comprehend.
Despite what you have said, I suspect that the indoctrination you have received stands in the way of the sort of rational approach that would allow for the informed use of drugs. If that were to happen, I would argue there would be far less tragedy arising from the abuse of drugs.
By the way, you mention the 72 hr. legislation. Have you studied the impact of this/talked to any "survivors"? If so, I would certainly be interested in the outcomesfrom their perspective, since all I've been getting is from the perspective of the "authorities"
I remember a criminologist who was very strong on developing "self-report" analyses which came up with very different conclusions than others -- but that was back in the seventies.
I'm appalled at several things in our education system, police in classrooms, DARE, teachers who are afraid to teach critical thinking. things like "bowling classes", sometimes so-called "life skills". , etc.
There I go ranting again.
Actually, I'm still very interested in getting together a sytematic critique of AARC.
When are you going to contact me?
velvet2000:
I think the "indoctorine" made my mind up for me for a long time, but that it's only influencing me one way now. Having made statements inspired by AARC in the past, I now regret them, and so I am slower to make a "confident" decision because I've proven that I've certainly been wrong before. The reason I would like to see a community living this way is because what changed my mind about the Rehab way (to note, I never actually believed that AARC was good, but supported the idea of intensive rehabilitation to make people sober)was by going out and meeting people who were perfectly healthy and had used entirely different resources.
No, I haven't met anyone who has been affected by the 72 hour legislation. I'm sure that many of us never will because - as Alexia Parks would say - those kids are "dissapeared". But I thought we had a justice system for a reason, don't we? Not in the 72 hour law. If your parents and a social worker or police officer think that you deserve to be locked up, then that's all it takes I guess. Can you imagine if kids could have their parents taken away for 72 hours just because they claim their parents are behaving irrationally?
Check your private messages!
Anonymous:
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Hey, your are just another sick puppy. You have no clue what actually went on between BRIAN and Dean and what Dean went through over that . . .
"La, La, La . . . bunch of sick little losers here with nothing else to do
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Anonymous:
Dear Velvet, is that a statement about how soft your brain tissure is?
"detachment theory"
And what have you done with your life?? Have you ever gone to school past grade 6 or 7 or what ever it is that you flunked out at? Don't come back and tell me that you made it to grade 12 and are therefore you are at the leading edge of knowledge in the field of addictions. Incidentally, you couldn't cut a 'recovery program' because you did not have enough synapses connected to understand very simple things like what 'detachment' really is all about.
ANonymous #221 and counting
Go do something with your life and then come back and tell us how smart you are, dear. Take antigen along, she has the same capacity to understand (NOT) simple concepts.
Anonymous:
The no-minds on this list go on and on about how F.D.Vause thinks and acts like he is God, and he needs to find out he is just some idiot with a PhD and then because they can't maintain a train of thought for any length of time before they contradict themselves, . . . . and then they they BLOW it again - if Dean had the power to 'MAKE' Brian kill himself, well then, duh, HE MUST BE GOD!!!!
Brian killed himself because he wanted to die not because Dean Vause hurt his feelings or did anything for that matter. He could have gone anywhere, any NA meetin, AA meeting to do what they do there - ah, duh - help one another. Only juveniles would blame someone else when some guy hangs himself. NOW if Dr. Vause put the rope around his neck and kicked the stoll, you morons might have a case. But I am sure you can't even understand that either. There are LOTS of people in the world that have been torture beyond belief, abuse for years by one culprit and probably 95% don't kill themselves, they survive and become better people just to spite the abusers, etc. (can't see that among people on this list like velvet or antigen or AARCgrad). The ones that kill themselves certainly would not because Dean had to protect the current clients at AARC when Brian came back form BC so screwed up. Thought you wanted Dean to run his place better than he is - can't yuou put it together that Brian was a hazard to other newly recovering addicts, esp. after he killer himslef!!!
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