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Antigen:
Nope, you're missing the point, Mike and Art. It's not that I condone the shit. As stated above, I haven't even read it this time around. Last time around, I spent many hours pouring over the bullshit, trying to figure out who was kidding, what they meant, who was the worst offender. At the end of it I concluded that, as I'm neither you guys' mama nor babysitter, it's simply not my job to control what you say to or about each other.
All I've done this time around is ask a few more ppl interested in the open Elan forum for their opinions. And, except for you two and maybe one or two other drive by demands to work for free, everyone else says pretty much what Matt said; variations of let the bullshit roll off, there's good and true content in there; the bullshit itself is a prime illustration of what Elan is/was.
The anon in this thread is, imo, quite correct. I did set up a forum just for you and your approved/chosen participants. But you guys virtually neglect that one and, instead, spend all your time stressing and obsessing over material that you find to be offensive.
--- Quote ---On 2005-08-30 18:35:00, artman11111 wrote:
This punk or punks is hiding behind what rights I as an american no longer posess... and no bullshit,its over.I am no innocent, have posted my fair share of things that i regret.However,I have never EVER posted this kind of content. I am angry too.So hold on to your outdated principles and think your doing the right thing for the masses at the expense of those who are real.Let the chips fall where they may
Art Warshawsky
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That's exactly the point! If you truely believe that the specific way in which the pixels are arranged on the screen when you read that forum constitute criminal activity, go ahead and call in the law or the lawyers. However, I think you already screwed the pooch on that one w/ your own comments. The only difference I can see between the hateful things that you're complaining about and the hateful things you yoursleves have posted is that your targets are politically incorrect dweebs while their targets are politically correct dweebs.
Either way, it's not my job to sheild your virgin eyes from anything. All responsibility for all postings in these forums lies w/ the respective authors, as stated in the terms of use.
Frankly, if you suckers didn't jump to respond to the shit, nobody would and whoever's posting it all would likely get bored and give it up. All you're doing is making it fun and interesting for them. But if you're bent on seeing blood, fine, go ahead. go after the little bastard(s). But please quit whinning to me about it.
He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice.
--Albert Einstein
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Troll Control:
--- Quote ---On 2005-08-30 18:35:00, artman11111 wrote:
"Ok I'm in anon
been watching for a few days. if I (in casual conversation) speak to others in the same manner that I and others have been spoken to.Guess how that would work out.I'd have a pair of silver bracelets on in a hurry ! Your freedom of speech is a novel idea,one that i would like to embrace.But wake up ! thats not how the world is!!! The Patriot Act is the biggest example of how good solid principles and constitutional rights have truly no meaning anymore in the world we live in.Big brother is watching over me at every intersection there is a stop lite.
This punk or punks is hiding behind what rights I as an american no longer posess... and no bullshit,its over.I am no innocent, have posted my fair share of things that i regret.However,I have never EVER posted this kind of content. I am angry too.So hold on to your outdated principles and think your doing the right thing for the masses at the expense of those who are real.Let the chips fall where they may
Art Warshawsky
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Arthur "V.I." Warshawsky, Private Investigator.
Didn't Kathleen Turner play you in the movie?
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-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2005-08-31 09:59 ]
Antigen:
Right! I hope any Elan (or other Program) parents or prospects reading this forum understand the implications of the level system.
Let me break it down into a couple of very simple points:
* The Program is ineffective
* The pruveyors of The Program are steeped in denial of that basic, simple fact.
* Therefore, odds are extremely good that the very same hateful, frightening, racist psycho who's generating all this ire was, indeed, in a position of authority over kids enrolled in Elan while he/she was there. And little has changed in the mean time, so....
* Unless you think these people posting to these forums are competent to care for and watch over your child for months or years while you yourself have extremely limited contact with them, don't place your kids in a program like Elan.
I do not consider it an insult, but rather a compliment, to be called an agnostic. I do not pretend to know where many ignorant men are sure.
--Clarence Darrow, American lawyer
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Mister Pink:
You people make me laugh. like its some crime. by the wayside, who'd i threaten?
-White Power
Antigen:
I wouldn't laugh. While I quite agree that it shouldn't be a crime to say whatever the hell you want, I wouldn't put it past these guys for a minute to screw you to the wall using hate crimes legislation. I just want to make it clear to you and anyone else who may not have gotten the point. In addition to not being your mama or your babysitter, I'm also not your lawyer or your spiritual guide.
I don't condone or agree w/ a lot of what's posted to these forums, including a lot of what you have posted over the years. Just because I don't try to control what you do and say doesn't mean you can't be sued or criminally charged for it. It's just not my problem, that's all.
What is ominous is the ease with which some people go from saying that
they don't like something to saying that the government should forbid it. When you go down that road, don't expect freedom to survive very long.
--Thomas Sowell
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