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Who Can Explain Whitmore's "Secrets" or is it just voodoo?

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Anonymous:
Some of these questions go back to December 2004.
NONE of them ever get answered! The Sudweeks supporters avoid these questions by attacking others, or EACH OTHER.  How about some answers?

What is scripting?  Who does it? Seems Cheryl can do it herself, or kids can do it to themselves.

What are subliminals.  Why is it so important to Cheryl.  

What is this imposed sense of FAMILY at Whitmore?

Why doesn't any AUTHORITY at Whitmore post the names and creditials of the "certified teachers" at Whitmore Academy.  Most schools post names of staff.

Why doesn't any AUTHORITY explain Cheryl's Group Sessions....explaining what "HAVING A GROUP ON SOMEONE IS...."

*** Please add any questions you may have.

HOW ABOUT SOME ANSWERS?

Cayo Hueso:

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HOW ABOUT SOME ANSWERS?"

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All very good questions.  Good luck with getting any concrete answers.  We haven't had any so far.
The last struggles of a great superstition are very frequently the worst.
--Andrew Dickson White (1832-1918)
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Antigen:
Actually, one kid did explain the subliminals in some detail. That was early on, though, before this turned from a slighly tense discussion into an all out brawl. The kids who were posting then, for the most part, are sitting this part out.

I would be iterested to know a little more about those though. But the kids probably don't have the info I'm looking for. For example, where do the sub tapes come from? Are they commercially available? Who produces them. What's the basis for believing they're therapeutic in any way?

Another question that I asked early on was whether or not the kids were put in authority over one another. That one was answered as well; yes they are. They're tasked w/ monitoring each other and reporting compliance (or not) to Cheryl.

One kid also described having group on her at Lake Powel. Not a whole lot of detail there, but then again I don't know how anyone could describe something like that in full detail w/o violating their own or others' privacy. But I think we got enough info from that description to understand what that's about.

Still don't know exactly what "scripting" is, though. Anybody? What does that mean in the context of Whitmore? Is it something exclusive to Whitmore or part of some line of therapy or religion? How does it work?

We've also gotten an answer to whether or not PURE refers to Whitmore. I know, I know, it's been said many times, but mostly by one person. I don't trust any stranger that much, no matter how sympathetic I may be to them. But now several different people have confirmed it.

So, putting all this together, we now have a partial, sketchy sort of answer to a question that I've been hammering and yammering on for years now. Exactly what kinds of programs does Sue refer people to, promising that they're better than WWASPS programs?

I would still like to know the answers to some of these other questions. But for anyone who's interested in the substance here, I'd suggest you go back to the earlier conversations. I think you'll find that there's some very good content there and that the kids who are under attack for all sorts of different seedy allegations are really quite credible and compassionate kids.

Deflection only works if you bite. So don't bite, k?


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the rest  in order; and those who have once got an ascendency and possessed themselves of  all the resources of the nation, their revenues and offices, have immense means  for retaining their advantages.
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Anonymous:
This is what Sue Scheff told ME: she said Whitmore was better than WWASP because:
Whitmore did NOT do ANY OF these things that WWASP ALWAYS DID....

No locking kids up in isolation.
No keeping kids from contacting their parents when even they want to.
No phyical abuse whatsoever.
No dirty or unhealthy facility
No mean, hateful employees
No just being stuck in one place since Sudweeks take kids to Canada and Mexico, EVEN on cruises.
No kids with drug problems since the "druggies" go to the school up in Canada.
No worrying about your kids since they are in the hands of loving, Christian people with 20+ years experience in the teen help industry.
No worry about education since school is fully accredited and all teachers are certified.
No worry about a lack of love since the Sudweeks love all children.

We knew nothing about WWASP. But Sue Scheff gave us the impression that Whitmore was the opposite of WWASP. She told us a WWASP Program would be an abusive, lock down, unsanitary facility where our child would receive an inadequate education by harsh, mean people people and that our child would surely come out damaged severely.

It turned out that this is the exact treatment our child received at Whitmore Academy.
So--there does not seem to be a lot of difference between WWASP and Whitmore, IF Sue Scheff's representation of WWASP is, in fact, true

Antigen:
One more thing. Please go back and look how this all started. Here's the thread that started in the main forum and that I moved over here initially:

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?So ... 35&start=0

Obviously, whoever posted about OP was full of it. Not one single kid has confirmed that, even the ones who are currently on the Whitmore shit list say that's bunk. But there are some other, more level and reasoned posts there.

Look at some of the posts from the parents and students in support of the program. I believe what they're saying. But I wonder if they would have been so supportive if they had made the shit list and gotten a dose of that kind of treatment? I wonder if they understand that whatever confidential info the Suds have about their family (again, real or imagined, seems a lot of it is imagined) might be used as blackmail should they ever voice even mild criticizm? I wonder where they are now and if they still feel the same way?



The fatal pedagogical error is to throw answers, like stones, at the heads of those who have not yet asked the questions.

                               
Paul Tillich
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