it doesn't matter who put it up first! it is a child!

[Anonymous]

Who Is JC?  What is that about?

[Gmom]

JESUS CHRIST

[Anonymous]

OMG...now the Suds are equating themselves to the Son of God. Give me a fucking break. Do these people just not get it? Maybe they need to wash those "garments!" Think the EVIL is seeping in.

[Antigen]

Good thing for Leah that ya'll are such terrible liars. I mean, really! First she stole a horse, now it was her horse all along. And it's easy to see why she'd be afraid to go anywhere near you people w/o a police escort. In fact I think it must have taken great courage for her to even go near the property when she was pretty sure you weren't there. Who was it that offered to stuff a rag in her mouth?

And everybody's just out to get good ol'e Mark an Cheryl cause the whole world is jealous of how darned good they are!  :roll:

If you weren't such horrible liars, some people might actually believe some of the rotten things you say about this kid. Thankfully, nobody's that stupid.

for nothing can keep it right but their own vigilant and distrustful superintendence.

--Thomas Jefferson

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[Anonymous]

Let's just ASSUME for one moment that what they say about Leah is true (and I don't BELIEVE FOR A SECOND ANYTHING THESE PEOPLE SAY ABOUT THIS YOUNG WOMAN!)

But just for the sake of argument--what if this girl was having sex all over Whitmore???

That is not the point at all.
The point IS:  HER PARENTS/GRANDPARENTS sent this girl there for a reason....and one of those REASONS was MOST PROBABLY ....SUPERVISION!!!!!!!

Why is there NO ADULT SUPERVISION AT WHITMORE?

Who is watching these kids? Who is monitoring the behavior that is going on at this "school?"
That is the Question:   Supervision

Where is Mark and Cheryl Sudweeks?
Why are they not supervising these kids?
Isn't that what they are being paid to do?
It's called ACCOUNTABILITY FOLKS!

[Anonymous]

Isn't it interesting that animal and child abuse seem to go hand in hand? This isn't the only place engaging in both...check out the stories about Majestic Ranch. It really says a lot about the kind of people who run these programs.

[Anonymous]

I read the Majestic Ranch threads--it is amazing.
And why invest all that $$$ in horses only to neglect them? Of course--the Equine Horse thing, it makes parents sign the kids up! It does sound good! All that "love" for the horses, all that therapy, saying the daughter was trained by Monty Roberts THE HORSE WHISPERER, how the kids can be HEALED. It does sell!

After being found guilty of Animal abuse and neglect in Canada, and then loosing on the Appeals try---you'd THINK the last thing the Sudweeks would do, would go near a HORSE.

NOW they SLAPP this 18 year old girl with a law suit for 5K over what? a HORSE!!! Makes you wonder what the Sudweeks are even thinking?

And now everyone wondering and wondering---Why did that horse die in October 2004?  Some say it had "colic" and some post a kid there at Whitmore neglected it.  Beats all.  Seems like the Suds and horses aren't too compatible.

[Antigen]

On 2005-03-16 07:59:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Isn't it interesting that animal and child abuse seem to go hand in hand? This isn't the only place engaging in both...check out the stories about Majestic Ranch. It really says a lot about the kind of people who run these programs."

Yes, and it seems to be of the same variety, too. Looks more more like immesurable conciet than hands on sadisim.

I did read some of the Canadian transcript. And, again, not to beat a dead horse (no pun intended) but I did recognize something that's a common thread in that story and the way Seedlings thought and acted. And it sort of explains a lot about this whole situation.

Art was always fond of saying that a few months in Group gave these kids the equivalent of a college education. And he believed it! If a kid was "working their program" according to his standards, he believed that that made them better qualified to provide counseling, supervision and therapy to other kids than an actual trained professional.

In Canada, it looks like they left a young kid in charge of all these horses believing that, because he was a good Whitmore kid, then he must have gotten the full benefit of their excellent equian program. Never mind that no such thing actually exists. Which of the people who Mark and Cheryl surround themselves with would dare proclaim that the emperor is stark naked and raving mad? None, aparently. Even when the kid got desperate, he was more afraid of getting the Suds into trouble (from the evil outsiders just looking for an excuse to mess w/ them) than he was of having all these horses die on him.

At the end of the day, they're not lying because they believe what they say. The kids are not lying, they believe it too. They're bullshitting. There's a difference.

Here's a book on that:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ ... fmiamithem

And that also explains a lot of the hostility and dissagreement in this forum. They really are offended at the suggestion that they would lie. They would never lie! They actually believe what they're saying. But then, they also believe that magical underwear will protect them from evil  :roll: What do you expect?

Our nada who art in nada, nada be thy name. Thy kingdom nada, thy will be nada as it is in nada. Give us this nada our daily nada and nada us our nada as we nada our nadas and nada us into nada but deliver us from nada; pues nada. Hail nothing full of nothing, nothing is with thee.
--Ernest Hemingway, American author

[BuzzKill]

Ya know, if it were a legitimate horse therapy program, it really could help a lot of kids; even many who are otherwise unreachable.
I saw a story not long ago about a state juvenile facility for seriously troubled juvenile offenders.
It was a horse therapy program and they got amazing results. Horses really are very good for the human soul. There really is a peace of mind and a quieting of inner turmoil that can radiate from a horse.
But consider the potential for the opposite effect if the kid has to witness the horse they have bonded with being left to die?
I have to agree it seems clear the Sud's have no business being in the horse business.

[Anonymous]

You know, if I wasn't so pissed off, I could really sit  back and enjoy a really good belly laugh.

 I mean--magically underwear that wards off evil: what a concept, if you really could wrap your mind around something THAT SIMPLE MINDED. Just pull on your panties, and ALL'S RIGHT WITH THE WORLD!  No more Wars! No more world hunger, No more diseases, No more divorces and broken homes.....just think of it!!!!!!!!!!!

And an Equine Horse Program: just put a bunch of kids together with a horse...let them ride around whispering to a horse they love, and that loves them back unconditionally----PROBLEMS SOLVED!!!  And, nothing but good, horse-loving, kind people tending to the horsies.... WHOOPIE!

But back to reality: We have the Sudweeks who just don't know how to safely deal with kids or horses. So it's just a bad bad situation.

[BuzzKill]

Ginger, I don't believe for a minute that the Suds ever believed one kid could care for all those horses and dogs.
I have had horses and I know how much work just my two were. I was more or less alone in caring for them, and I 'bout killed myself one especially bad winter, just trying to keep them a clean, dry barn - Never mind the work of keeping them fed and watered!
It really did wear me out bad and it actually took most of the next summer to recover; but my horses came through it looking great.
It is very hard work and there is no way one kid can care for all those animals!
Anyone who has kept horses would know this. This includes the Suds.
But as for why the kid reacted as he did, I agree completely.

[Anonymous]

BUT...remember HOW LONG those horses were alone up there in Canada before this "former foster child boy and his wife and new baby" even showed up in Canada."  Mark Sudweeks left those horses and dogs ALONE up there in the dead of winter with NO ONE in charge of them.  The "care taker" was delayed in getting up to Canada...those animals were ALONE.

[Anonymous]

Still want to know about Casie's horse that died October 2004 in Nephi....of "colic?" Who was watching after that horse while everyone was off to Lake Powell for a month or so?
Seems the Suds and horses just don't mix.

[Anonymous]

The Suds have time to SLAPP a lawsuit on an 18 year old former student regarding this girl's OWN horse. Why not the time to explain about this DEAD horse?

[Antigen]

On 2005-03-16 09:41:00, BuzzKill wrote:

"
Ginger, I don't believe for a minute that the Suds ever believed one kid could care for all those horses and dogs.

If they believe that, through some miracle, they alone can provide therapy to 40 or so troubled teenagers, why not that one or two really good Whitmore kids, blessed w/ such miraculous Whitmore powers, can winter a herd of horses?

When he [Califano] claims that the voters of Arizona and California did not know what they were voting for when they supported the two initiatives, he reminds me of the way Serbia's President Slobodan Milosevic reacted to recent election results in that country.
-- George Soros -- Sunday, February 2 1997; Page C01 The Washington Post