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« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2005, 01:19:00 PM »
It will be very interesting to know what Mr. Fox from the SPCA reports about this horse.

The Sudweek "camp" says: it died of "colic."
But this "camp" also says  young, minor student "neglected this horse," and that is why it died.

Mr. Fox says he is waiting for calls back from the 2 Vets the Sudweeks claim they use.

FACT: the horse died while Sudweeks had the kids at Lake Powell in October 2004.

The "unofficial horse whisperer Trinity" and her husband Jeff were back and forth to Lake Powell delivering kids, (on at least 2 separate occassions for sure)... and staying overnight--now WHO did they leave in charge of this sick animal while they were doing "kid delivery service," and doing a bit of lake vacation time, off and on?

Who even knows if it was colic for sure? If it was, sure sounds like this animal suffered a lot.
Who even knows if a VET ever tended to this sick horse, or WHY it actually died?
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« Reply #31 on: March 10, 2005, 02:08:00 PM »
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On 2005-03-10 10:05:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I am not a vet, but have been around horses all my life. Horses colic for a variety of reasons, the most likely cause is their feed. They can colic from moldy hay, hay that is too rich, too much grain, an abrupt change in the type of feed, etc. Horses have a very poor digestive system so when they have any type of problem with their stomach or intenstines it is very serious. When they have colic (a bad belly ache), their first instinct is to lie down and roll around. If they are allowed to do this their intestines can become twisted around one another and then only surgery can fix the problem. Many horses die from this ailment, even if they are given prompt care. It also seems to be true that once a horse colics it is more likely to colic again in the future, so many horses are sold cheap because of their tendancy to do this. Horses are prone to a variety of ailments related to food and exercise, colic is just one of them.   "


I'd agree with all this (also being a layperson with Horse experience) but would like to make another point or two. Colic is an obvious, acute illness. There is no doubt something is wrong even in the early stages. Even if it begins as a mild discomfort - it is unmistakable that a problem is at hand. Long before an animal is rolling, they will become listless; and maybe bite or kick at their belly, and usually loose interest in the food bucket. A horse who won't eat is a very sick horse. All of this is what any horseman is familiar with as an indication of colic; no matter what has caused the colic. Any horse man knows a vet needs to be called out ASAP. Prompt veterinary attention will usually save the animal; but just as important is elevating the pain. Colic is Extremely painful! The horse left untreated will be in agony. IMO, the stress associated with the horrible pain creats a vicious circle - pain, stress, tension, more pain, more stress. . .
I once had a horse that would get a mild colic about once a year. (we never knew why) By the time the vet would arrive he'd be pretty miserable - groaning and sweating and wanting to lay down and roll. The first thing the vet would do would be to give him a pain shot - something to relax him. In our case that was all that was needed. He'd lay his big ole head in my arms, and sigh, and lift his tail and fart and then shit - and he was all better. Often times more treatment is needed - but the point is - Pain relief is of vital importance! Just for the sake of being responsible and humane - never mind the fact it can save the horse. The point being - there is no excuse for a horse in colic to go without a vet!
With colic in horses, the symptoms are unmistakable and a vet is always required.
And BTW - the same thing applies to a dog bloating. There is not a minute to spare in getting the dog to the vet.
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« Reply #32 on: March 10, 2005, 02:37:00 PM »
Well--the staff page of the Whitmore Academy lists these people as "teachers of horsemanship"

Shayla  Horsemanship  Sudweek daughter
Trinity Horsemanship  Sudweek daughter
        -Our contract shows she trained under Mr.
        Monty Robert, THE HORSE WHISPERER
Jeff    Horsemanship   Sudweek son-in-law
Laysea  Horsemanship   Sudweek daughter
Anna    Horsemanship

That sure is a lot of "teachers of horsemanship" for someone NOT TO KNOW that one horse is sick enough to fall over death, wouldn't you think?
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« Reply #33 on: March 10, 2005, 02:40:00 PM »
Now if I were a Sudweek supporter, this is one issue I'd want those people to clear up and clear up right now.
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« Reply #34 on: March 10, 2005, 03:57:00 PM »
You are absolutely right Buzz, a horse with colic is so obviously sick that even an inexperienced person should know to call a vet immediately.
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« Reply #35 on: March 10, 2005, 04:54:00 PM »
casies horse died of colic and casie loved that horse and she took the best care for it so your wrong if you think anyhting else
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« Reply #36 on: March 10, 2005, 05:02:00 PM »
No one is blaming Casie for anything. She was at Lake Powell when this horse died.
Who was there, who should have called the Vet?
That is the question!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seems the Sudweeks just don't take care of animals or Kids!
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« Reply #37 on: March 10, 2005, 05:03:00 PM »
The saddest part of the whole thing is Casie begged to stay behind and take care of the horse.  She saw the signs and knew the horse was not right.  She had treated the horse a year earlier for Colic and saved it.  She saw the signs. She went to Cheryl and begged her to get the horse help and to let her stay back and help it.  She was told she had to go to Powell.  What do you think it did to poor Casie to find out at Powell her "best friend" had died.  It is my understanding the local McQuivey boy and some of the other students stayed behind to "care" for the horses.  Bottom line is, the symptoms were there prior to leaving for Powell.  It was brought to the Sudweeks attention and they chose to leave the horse anyway.  That my friends is abuse to the horse and to Casie!  She still lives with the pain and guilt today.  The whole experience could have been avoided, just like the one in Canada if the right people had been left to care for the horses.  The Canadian officials made the right decision- NO more horses for the Sudweeks!
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« Reply #38 on: March 10, 2005, 06:28:00 PM »
shut up leah your horse was ugly anyways
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« Reply #39 on: March 10, 2005, 06:35:00 PM »
I am not Leah.  What exactly does being ugly have to do with the horse that died.  Are you also saying it Leah owned her horse???  Seems to be some confusion at The Whitmore as to who owned the horse Leah took home.  You might want to help those who are confused.
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« Reply #40 on: March 10, 2005, 08:21:00 PM »
ya clueless, somebody better let you know whats up. Leah had and UGLY gray appy. the suds only use quarterhorse. the old horse was dieing, her mom begged mark to take it because it cost to much to keep and hadnt been rode for 5 years. it was 23 and dieing. when it got to utah it was ribby and skinny. everyone took care of it though they couldnt ride the bony thing. when leah left. she bought a knew horse that just about killed her. she and her MOM and GMOM pawned the horse on the suds. They said and we all heard that they could have it if they didnt want it they would have to put her down. kids cryed and of course they kept it. the law is if you leave your horse for someone else to care for, you have to pay for its keep. DUH did you think this would be one of your freebies Leah.... no guys to get favors from ...boooohooooo. so pay your bill. you can have the UGLY HORSE that was dieing when we got it. mark aint stupid, you think hes gonna take you to court if he dont know what hes doin. DUH again. grow up poor little girl. the more people know about you the less credible yu are. kinda like granny
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« Reply #41 on: March 10, 2005, 08:24:00 PM »
speakin of payin bills. Leah how come you made mark pay for your car at christmas when you tried to run over Rob. and he dented your car. do you ever have to be accountable for anything?
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« Reply #42 on: March 10, 2005, 08:26:00 PM »
are you saying mark sudweeks paid for Leahs car at christmas when he didnt have too? and now she is bashing him and worse his family. what kind of a person is this Leah.
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« Reply #43 on: March 10, 2005, 08:32:00 PM »
Think those McQuivey brothers better run for cover. This sounds a whole lot like those poor abused horses and dogs up in Canada. Sounds like Mark Sudweeks just may be getting ready to blame that dead horse in October on the poor McQuivey boys.
BUT there still is the daughter, Trinity he can blame, like he did up there in Canada. Just blame anybody, FRIENDS, DAUGHTER, it doesn't matter. Dead horse. Gotta blame somebody.
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« Reply #44 on: March 10, 2005, 08:33:00 PM »
if you want a honest character reference ill give it a shot. although it is hard to describe, a person like LEAH SCHACHER she is a shocker, boy she is the devil in disquise. watch out boys shell chew you up. she did me. she uses then looses. not even a good lay. she wants glory not growth, control not salvation. her ascendancy means more than than her agency. she has no future and desperately desires to persuade men that they have no future either. she desires that all people be miserable like herself.
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