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« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2005, 02:48:00 AM »
First of all I think that ABC show is disgusting and people should flood ABC with emails and calls telling them so.  Who in Gods name would put their child on TV going through any program, and this SAGE program sounds a lot like Desisto...Hmm looking for press, movies, TV, exloiting children to benefit themselves, and the parents SHAME ON YOU, if your child needs help it should not be on national TV.  
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« Reply #31 on: July 13, 2005, 11:59:00 PM »
LCSW is more equivalent to a Master level therapist.  Just to clarify...I am a CSW which is a Social Worker.  Not that it makes much difference in the real world versus academic tools, but there is a difference.  These places spoke me, in particular when some have posted they don't take violent people (adolescents) but on the tv show they consistently focused on the one youth that was "ready to explode..."  Scary concept if they are connected with the Brown schools.  It also was offensive to me the title of "brat camp" the youth had more treatment needs then your brats from Nanny 911.
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« Reply #32 on: July 14, 2005, 12:20:00 AM »
The response from this program is one of the sickest things I have ever read. How can parents live with themselves making their children sleep in a tent outside with 6-10 inches of snow and in 35 degree weather. The sicko running this place acts if 6-10 inches of snow is no big deal and like 35 degrees is warm.

I work w/ people that are homeless and every year several freeze to death in the winter. Having tents and portable heaters is not a safeguard to freezing to death.

This is sickening that it's legal to force children to live outside in the winter. If a homeless family happened to be living in a tent in the dead of winter the kids would very likely be taken away by CPS for endagerment and neglect. Somehow these psuedo "professionals" (quacks) have everyone believing the program is ok as long as these jokers are running the show.[ This Message was edited by: webcrawler on 2005-07-13 21:21 ]
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« Reply #33 on: July 14, 2005, 12:35:00 AM »
nicely worded
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« Reply #34 on: July 20, 2005, 02:45:00 PM »
For those who wants to know more... Some of these posting are really negative and untrue. This is why so many people don't trust information sources like this.

Call Mentor Research Institute and talk with the President Dr. Michaele Dunlap.

You can also call the State of Oregon Department of Human Services and ask to speak with the licensing coordinator.

You should also call SageWalk. Talk to Larry Solie. Call Dr. Conner if you want. Talk to real people and you will see that these people have caring, positive and constructive attitudes.  

Check out the web sites listed at EducationOptions.Org. You will see that these resources are very critical of unsafe and abusive practices. Dr. Conner has done a lot more to protect parents than some of the people on this web site.

It seems there are a number of misuderstandings on this website and some misinformation. The owners of this web site may have some liability if they publish false and derogatory statements. I think that could be liable.
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« Reply #35 on: July 20, 2005, 02:54:00 PM »
I think these people are just a bunch of liars. they don't care about kids. Dr. Conner is a psychologist. You can't rrust those people. They are trying to brain wash people. I think they are making so much money that will doing anything including bribe people. Just look at their pictures. They don't look like anyone I would trust. People tried to put me in a program once. Be careful and don't give anyone your name on this site. They will come after you. Don't take any medications. Speak you mind. the truth can't be stopped. :evil:
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« Reply #36 on: July 20, 2005, 02:55:00 PM »
Before you place those calls, you might want to do a little reading and googling the names of the players. One can start here:

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=0#63195
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =20#113369
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« Reply #37 on: July 20, 2005, 03:09:00 PM »
Dr Conner, Is that you?
If so, I've always wanted to ask you-
Why did you think that Skyline Journey deserved a 4-Star rating at your website after the murder (woops- death) of Ian August?
Do you think that their method of 'flusing out fakers' is effective or safe?
Do you know if Wardle is still using this method at his new program?

When you refer to programs like Skyline Journey,  Catherine Freer, or any other where there has been a death, do you inform the consumer? Do you advise parents, in general, of the inherent dangers and the fact that 40 some kids have died in the wilderness?
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« Reply #38 on: July 20, 2005, 04:05:00 PM »
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On 2005-07-20 11:45:00, Anonymous wrote:

 Dr. Conner has done a lot more to protect parents than some of the people on this web site.


They're the grown ups. They can look out for themselves.

I think animal testing is a terrible idea;  they get all nervous and give the wrong answers.    
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« Reply #39 on: July 20, 2005, 11:35:00 PM »
I am a social worker in a group home for teenage boys.  And I would agree with you.  It should not be a social worker's place to determine when a child is ready to return home- it should be the family's decision.  This should be based on progress occuring in family therapy and home visits.  All too often I see clients come to our facility who have spent time in jail.  They always walk in our door professing how they have changed and saying "yes sir, no sir."  This has served them well while in jail and i fully believe their intent to change.  However,  the real challenge occurs when they have to regulate themselves within the same environment where they first got into trouble.  Often old behaviors and patterns begin to resurface.  This would explain other postings about sending your child back if they "forget" what they have learned.  It's not that they have forgotten, they never learned how to apply their newfound skills to their family situation.  A program that treats children in the wilderness may prepare children for thriving in the wilderness, but not within the context of their family.  The only way this will happen is for their family to be involved in treatment.  My suggestion is to find a program that encourages as much family contact as possible and that will actually have the entire family in the same room for therapy sessions.

By the way, social workers may not be you would expect.  They do not just work for children's services.  They are qualified to do therapy.  In fact, the majority of therapists out there are social workers nowadays.  I did note that several of the therapists at Sagewalk did not appear licensed.  In addition to educational level, social workers are typically licensed for practice by a regulatory board in their state.  LSW's are licensed social workers, while LCSW's/LISW's are licensed clinical/independent social workers (can practice without supervision).  My guess is that since there is no regulation of these types of programs, Sagewalk does not require it's therapists to be licensed.
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« Reply #40 on: July 21, 2005, 12:04:00 AM »
If you know so much about Sagewalk, how about giving us an account on what went on in March (05)that caused Kevin Warner ( Solie and Warner, llc... owner) to leave.  I have heard the story from a really reliable source and have bit my tongue every time and not posted it.  If you know what you claim to.... fill us in.  People are interested.  I have never posted on this forum before, but have done hundreds of hours of research etc on Sagewalk and have kept what I found private. Brat Camp sickens me to the core.... so I'm posting anyhow.  I can only guess how you will spin this but keep posting, please. I am interested to see how far you people will go to promote yourselves! Why don't you tell us a little about the situation that went on in March.
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« Reply #41 on: July 21, 2005, 03:10:00 AM »
now I'm curious
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« Reply #42 on: July 21, 2005, 03:19:00 AM »
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On 2005-07-20 12:09:00, Deborah wrote:

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Dr Conner, Is that you?

If so, I've always wanted to ask you-

Why did you think that Skyline Journey deserved a 4-Star rating at your website after the murder (woops- death) of Ian August?

Do you think that their method of 'flusing out fakers' is effective or safe?

Do you know if Wardle is still using this method at his new program?



When you refer to programs like Skyline Journey,  Catherine Freer, or any other where there has been a death, do you inform the consumer? Do you advise parents, in general, of the inherent dangers and the fact that 40 some kids have died in the wilderness?"


Good questions, Deb. Poor kids! Damned if they do, and damned if they don't.  Aaron Bacon was left in the back seat of Eric Henry's truck while he and the other so-called "counselors" laughed and made jokes about Aaron, the "faker".  Imagine that.  Instead of rushing Aaron to the hospital and possibly saving his life, they stood around talking chit.

As Bob Bacon once said following the death of another wilderness camper ... "The Lessons Are Not Being Learned."  

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« Reply #43 on: July 21, 2005, 04:13:00 PM »
Don't know why you people are getting all worked up about Sagewalk and Brat Camp. The stuff that goes on there are no worse than what goes on during Rush Week at Frat Row or Army Boot Camp. Chill out.
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« Reply #44 on: July 21, 2005, 04:58:00 PM »
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"Don't know why you people are getting all worked up about Sagewalk and Brat Camp. The stuff that goes on there are no worse than what goes on during Rush Week at Frat Row or Army Boot Camp. Chill out."


What you're seeing on TV is a watered down version of what happens when there is no camera crew present. Last I checked, college and the military are voluntary. These kids were tricked into it.

We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark.  The real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.  
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