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Anonymous:
Ginger,
I can't say I ever went to the haunted house.  Something about a permanent haunted house was a bit weird to me at the time (I understood setting then up around Halloween time...).

I haven't lived there for quite a while (I'm in Brooklyn these days) and my memory of which building was on which corner gets a bit jumbled...

I was pretty naive about drugs at the time the Seed was there (I was about 12) and though my Dad was pretty old-fashioned and narrow-minded, he never bad-mouthed the place as I recall.

It's been really interesting reading the posts here and knowing a bit of what was going on there. It seems there's great disagreement as to whether it was what it professed to be.  What I haven't seen specified was did it work? Cult is an easy word to throw around. In my opinion AA is a cult of sorts. But that doesn't make it necessarily bad.

Was it an effective program? What were the prevailing, for lack of a better word, addictions? my sense is that speed was one, but my drug knowlege is all late 70s.

Could you increase my understanding?

Michael

Anonymous:
there were no prevailing addictions, Michael. The vast majority of seedlings were not addicted to anything but instead were smoking pot and/or getting in trouble at home. Kids were even senteneced there by the courts for skipping school or shopplifting. Once there, the drug use was greatly exxagerated.  Once in a while an actual addict came in, but they rarely stayed for long. IF they stayed, they usually groomed them for staff and looked up to by the rest of the kids...this had something to do with what the kids today call street cred.

If you are really interested in increasing your knowledge about your childhood neighbor, you only need to read this forum.

marshall:
Hi Michael.
Art claimed a 90% cure rate, but this figure has never been backed by any objective study that I'm aware of. There's also the problem of criteria for what constitutes effectiveness or being straight. The majority of oldtimers I've known returned to some level of drug use at some point after the seed. Though I don't use drugs, I have an occasional drink, so by one set of standards I would be considered a program failure. How do you count those that completed the program but went on to become heavier drug users or alcoholics...but then at some point stopped using again on their own or via another program? Are these people seed success stories or failures? Lots of gray areas.

Anonymous:
Right O Right O I mean Right toe!!!!

Anonymous:
What about your left toe? ::bigsmilebounce::

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