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Anonymous:
I'm compiling a history of the Cleveland Seed. It closed in the Fall of 1978. I'm not sure when it opened. Does anybody in this forum know about it, or have experiences there?

Anonymous:
I was in St. Pete Seed up till it closed in 75(?). I remember staff in st. pete would bring up the Ohio program from time to time.Lots of excitement(of course staff was always enthusiastic)about how big that program was + how that was only the start! Art + friends were going to open programs throughout the country! I don't recall ever seeing or knowing of anyone from Ohio.However one of our staff members did visit the program up there when it first opened.Her name was Darlene(small redhead),senior staff member in st pete,chain smoked newports,very tough demeanor,and one of Art's "adopted" daughters.Does that ring any bells? How long was O open? Was it as big as we were told?

mackassarian:
The Cleveland, Ohio Seed was located in some sort of old Catholic children's home. There were a couple or a few hundred Seedlings there at its peak. I remember members there named Hank, Bob, Ginger, Scott Barrett (or Barrettbitski), Shelley, Diane, John Perloff. Sometimes Art would come up and sing for everyone with his ukelele.

pigeon:
I was put in the cleveland seed in 1976. I think it was pretty big at the time.  Like maybe 100 people.  It was in an old orphanage.  It was huge with all these spaces we never saw.  The open meetings were in the old gym.  By the time I came back for my first anniversary (I graduated in about nine months and came up with lots of reasons I couldn't go in after that) the open meeting was in the rap room(much smaller) and there seemed to be only about twenty five seedlings.  They closed and left suddenly over night taking some kids with them and graduating some over the phone.  I think that was in 1979.  That morning there was an article questioning their validity in the local paper, The Plain Dealer, and they were long gone.

Anonymous:
What else do you remember about the Cleveland Seed?

John Perloff is a lawyer in Ft Lauderdale now and is Art Barkers business partner and personal lawyer.  He is in touch with Libby Barker, now libby Kienzle, thru some volunteer work they do training dogs for the blind.

Scott Barrett is a mortgage broker, partnered with other seedlings, in Ft Lauderdale. All of them still hold Art in Very high regard, way way up on a pedestal.


Welcome and tell us more about what you experienced there in the Cleveland seed. I understand they had a boxing ring, a la synanon, there, but they didn't have this in other locations.

Thanks again.

Greg.

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